#thewheeloftime Elaida lays out her game plan in a combative war of words with Siuan. Lanfear makes a heartfelt confession to Rand. Egwene learns more about Dream Walking, and finally comes face-to-face with her true nightmare. Perrin leads the charge to rescue the Cauthon women, but an unexpected tragedy stirs chaos. Alanna and Maksim have a painful conversation. Nynaeve and Elayne learn more about channeling on the way to Tanchico. Min joins the Tachico Three to find the Black Ajah. Siuan's trap has deadly consequences. Moiraine studies the Sarkonen, while Rand (and the Aiel) slowly accept his role as Car'a'carn. Egwere uses her new abilities to check on her friends, and comes across the ultimate betrayal.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and we are discussing the 5th episode of
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The Wheel of Time Season 3. And just quickly, I'm going to
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put this disclaimer out there. It's going to be me and Anthony
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for a couple of weeks because Mike is having surgery in the
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morning. He's OK, but he does have to
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have surgery. He's going to be on hiatus for a
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couple of weeks. He did say that it was OK for me
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to share that information just in case people started wondering
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where the hell he went to. So if you guys could just on our
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Facebook page, YouTube page, wherever you can find us.
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If you would just leave some good wishes and good vibes from
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Mike and tell him to hurry up and get well so he can get his
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ass back on the show. So is it the?
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Mike. Yep, what's up, Mike?
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So with that being said, let's get into this episode 5 Again, I
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would say these episodes are putting a lot of information
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into this. What 1 I think this episode is a
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hour and 4 minutes. They're putting a lot of
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information in here. Yeah, this.
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This is not necessarily a strong episode.
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It's a info dump. It is.
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It is exposition. Position galore.
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What I mean we get to see almost everybody.
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We don't see Leandron in this episode, but we do get to see
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some stuff with the black, with the 2 black Asha that's at the
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tower. We get to see Elida doing some
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shady stuff. You get to see what's going on
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with all of the Two Rivers people and I'm the.
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Valda. Have I mentioned how much I want
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this man to die? Have I?
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I don't think I've mentioned it enough.
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I want this man to die like the most painful horrible.
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Any in even in the books when you're reading involved the
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shows up it's like someone just scraping you across your
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eyeball. Like do I have to read about
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this dude again? Oh my God.
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For something, and I will say this though, to give credit to
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him, that you can leave such a mark on your audience with so
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little screen time, 'cause we don't see Valda a lot in this
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series, but every time he's on screen he makes an impression
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and he makes you want to fucking kill him.
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That is talent. Yeah, that is talent.
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But we will get there. Let's start at the top of the
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episode with Moraine, because she has the Sarconon and she's
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playing around with it. She's she playing with something
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I don't. I was, I was real.
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I really felt like that first, that first scene was like really
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double coded because she's playing with fire.
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But it was also given very sensual vibes looking at it.
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So if you remember using the one power can be like a drug, it
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will can make you feel euphoric. And that's where these a lot of
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untrained people to burning themselves out.
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If since they made this change and they're not doing the
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children call, they're going to do the Sarkoden and calendar.
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The when people it's a little bit lower when people used to
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make when they used to make these angry all especially the
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sangria for their purpose. The sangria, the ones that
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amplify your powers, make you stronger, or you can store 1
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power to use for the later. The ones like calendar and the
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Sarkonin, they usually put a buffer built in so you won't
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burn yourself out. OK, the thing about the
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calendar, it doesn't have a buffer and that's the same
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thing. I think they're trying to show
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us what the Sarkan in Sarkan in. They didn't mean I have a buffer
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because she almost lost complete control.
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She did, yeah. And this is Lorraine, who is
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probably, like you said, the strongest in the one Power as
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far as women aside from land fear, right?
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Well of the non forsaken. OK of the non forsaken yeah, but
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yeah, she was she was about to burn herself out and when LAN
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came and caught her, it was just the way she was.
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It's almost like it's almost like a high or almost like
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afterglow, you know, post post orgasmic.
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That's that's kind of the way she was.
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And even LAN not having directly touched the source, but of
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course, experiencing it through the bond, he could also feel
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just kind of how it was when she asked him, she was like, what
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did you feel? And he said, it's like a hunger
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or thirst, but something deeper. And I was like, oh, so she's
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experiencing what Rand told her he felt when he when he touched
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the source. I was like, OK, now.
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So she understands. But that high, you know, it's
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kind of like somebody, you know, like I said, you're, you're,
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you're in your afterglow and everything and somebody said
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something really stupid and it just blows your high.
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It blows that feeling because he was like, what did you see?
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What did you see in the rings? And she's just like, and almost
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like collapses in his arms. And I was just like, land.
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You just had to come and ruin the moment.
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She was feeling probably the best she has felt and who knows
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how long because I don't even know how long they've been on
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this journey now. Because when she talks to Gwen
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later on in the episode and Gwen is talking about, you know,
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they're talking about the dream walking.
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And Gwen says something about it can be dangerous as she starts
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laughing. And the Wayne is like what?
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She said you're telling me about the dangers of dreams.
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And I remember a few years ago I was telling you and I was like,
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OK, she said. Years, plural.
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So they've been on this journey for quite a while.
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I think it's, I think we feel it's been at least a couple of
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years since they left. Yeah.
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And then we don't know how long it's been since they actually
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left Harbor Lawn this particular time to come and do all of this.
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So it, it feels like it feels like it's been a while, you
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know, especially with just kind of Avienda, if you look at her
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now being a wise one, her, I don't even want to say just her
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face has changed. I don't know if they did
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something with her makeup or is it just the way that they're
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styling her hair. She almost looks like a
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completely different person. I think she's also changed her
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demeanor too, like in maybe her posture.
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She's not walking like a warrior.
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OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, she's, she's made a
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change. OK, yeah, yeah.
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And then you can kind of see I thought one of the funny things
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that will, and I don't mean funny as in ha ha was funniest
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and weird. You don't realize until the the
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scene where Gwen is about to go sleep in the tent with the wise
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ones. You don't realize until that
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moment, like, wait, we have not seen Gwen and ran together like
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at all. Like they've been in the same
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area. They've been, you know,
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communing with the IEO. But literally we have not seen
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them exchange a word up until that moment in this in this
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episode. I was like, wow, what a way to
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kind of explain or kind of show this, this kind of deepening
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drift, you know, between them and then with everything else
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going on. But yeah, OK, so this place
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where the to our dad live, what did he call it?
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He. Cold rocks hold.
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Cold rocks hold, right? Yeah, when I say their language
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and the way they name things, it's almost like they want you
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to make it a tongue twister. They want people like us who
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talk about this show to have drinking games because that's
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almost what it's like. I was like, I'm not going to
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even try to say that because I feel like I'm going to.
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I'm going to stumble over my words and something very wrong
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is but. I mean a lot of their a lot of
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their stuff is just descriptions.
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They have. Become the location names.
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Yeah, but but there also is like, like I said, you have all
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of the rhyming names, you know, Milan and Gwaine Moraine,
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Elaine, just, you know, and it's like when I'm sitting here and
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I'm I'm editing our shows, I have found that I've had to like
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really cut because there are a lot of times when I called Rand
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Land and called Land Ran and I didn't even realize I was doing
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it. But a lot of it is intentional.
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I mean, he he did it on purpose. Randall Thor, Author Land,
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Lancelot, You know Darwin, Sir Garwin in the green light.
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Glad, glad. I mean all the things.
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The Knights of the Round Table is all.
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Yeah, you're right. You're right.
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Because I never say that too. When we first started watching
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the show and the character of E Grain came up and I was like E
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grain because that's what I was thinking.
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I was like, oh, OK, it's just similar.
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And up until you mentioned it a couple episodes ago, I didn't
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even like really put together the whole Arthur thing.
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Well, I guess until Moraine mentioned Calador.
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And I was like, that sounds familiar.
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Excalibur, yeah. A sword in a stone and no one
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has got has has been able to get it out in 3000 years.
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We should have added this to our Arthurian legends list, but of
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course we didn't know it at the time.
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But yeah. It it the so yeah, the names do
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sound funny and weird, but he it was very intentional.
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Yeah, yeah. So we get here to where the Tar
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Dad kind of congregate, and I tell you, I thought it was
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nothing but rocks. I was like, OK, so they just
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live in the rocks. And I mean, their clothes are
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kind of camouflaged because when they started popping up
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everywhere, I was like, where the hell did they come from?
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And then when you have the overview shot, you see that
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they've actually made homes and dwellings inside these rocks.
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And I was like. Yeah, they actually do live some
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rocks. It's like, I like this, this is
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cool. But so yeah, so we get to meet
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Ruark's other wife or I don't know, Bear's other wife because
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she's saying more in tune with Bear then she did with Ruark.
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Like, OK, but one of the things I liked about this scene is you
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kind of see, I feel like you see a little bit of a maturity in
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Rand now as opposed to before he went into Ruidian.
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Because when the little girl comes up to him and she asks him
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if he's the car car, he doesn't have the usual or I won't even
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say usual. But Rand, I would say because of
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his age, I never looked at him as mature or or thoughtful when
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it comes to certain things. But this one is kind of like,
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OK, she's a young one. I need to kind of maybe figure
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out how to answer her differently than I would if an
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adult had come to ask me or, you know, if someone like Ibn that
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came out. So you thank you to Karakan.
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You know, he kind of slowly rolls up his sleeve and he shows
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her the heads of the tattoos and he says, I am.
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And I was like, OK, he's really embracing it now.
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Like he's he's made his peace with the fact that this is his
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life now. And then in the split second,
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she makes a face and he starts chasing a little girl.
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And then you see the other little kids chase them.
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And I was like, OK, this is interesting because you see
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Gwen's face. She's looking at him.
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And the look on her face is kind of like regret and sadness
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because she knows if they had stayed in Two Rivers, this is
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what he wanted his life to be. You know, he wanted to be a dad.
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He wanted to have children. They they had that conversation
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way early in the first season and that's not what she wants.
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And then Bear looks at her and tells her he was, she was like
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your days of looking, you know, looking after him are over.
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It's time for you to come do what you're supposed to do.
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Like your pet. Your paths are not aligned.
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Again, people telling y'all, y'all not going to be together.
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Y'all don't need to be together. Y'all are.
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Yeah. The the thing about Rand,
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though, is before he went to Ruidian, I think he had already
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kind of made peace with the fact that he was the Dragon Reborn,
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and he knew that he needed to do this.
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And after experiencing Rubidian and learning about his blood
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history and in the history of the IU, that's a lot of
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responsibility. So he's had some time to think
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about it and contemplate on it. Yeah.
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So he can't. He knows that he can't be that
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boy from the Two Rivers anymore. He has more.
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Yeah, it's like he accepted it before Ruidian, but he was
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still, you could tell he was still kind of angry about it.
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Or he and he was maybe a little bit still unsure about about his
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place. Like he knew he was a Dragon
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Reborn, but he didn't really know what he needed to do or or
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what the significance of that was.
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Because this being the Dragon Reborn and understanding the
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point of the ideal are two separate things.
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Yes. Like he didn't know really what
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to expect, what this was about. He just knew he needed to do it.
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And now we're seeing him now, after he has.
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OK, not only am I the Dragon Reborn, but I am also the Kar
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Khan. And not only that, I am also I
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like, I, I think I am I ill in a way that he didn't think about
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it before, like because he got to see his mother and not just
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his mother, his father, that important piece, because he
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didn't know about his father, you know, but also going back to
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the last episode when he and Land were having a conversation,
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you know, Land keeps playfully calling him sheepherder when
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they're training. And there was they had a
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conversation. They were Lamb was asking him
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about something about being something.
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And oh, not being I, I'll, because he was saying, you know,
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I know I'm, I know I'm from here.
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And I mean, I know I'm, I, I'll, I know their blood runs through
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my veins, but this will never be home for me.
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But, you know, he also mentioned that the Two Rivers is not home
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any anymore, even like he doesn't belong.
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And Lance said, do you think it could be, you know, and Ran
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said, you know, it would be nice to find something that I am, you
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know, that I can be. Because at that point he didn't
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know who he was or what he was. So I think not just a little
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anger about this whole destiny thing being placed on him, but I
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think also just the unsurety, the anxiety about it.
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And it just seems like ever since Ruidian now, he knows who
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he is. He knows fully where he came
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from. He knows, like they said, he
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understands his ancestors and and, you know, maybe not
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understands, but he knows the journey that they've been on.
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And there's just something about him.
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There is a peace in his presence now.
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Like, OK, I've accepted it even when later on in the episode
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when it's clear that things are not good between him and and
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Gwen, Like it's very strange when you see them on the on the
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screen together. And when she leaves the tent, he
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just kind of he puts his head in his hand and he kind of is like,
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because I think even at that point, he realizes that's not
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going to be the way it was. Like, OK, yeah, I think our time
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together might be at an end because I'm clearly on one path
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and she's clearly on another. You know, even though that's not
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we don't. Again, we only get the one scene
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with them in this episode. So we don't know where things
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are going, but it's clearly it it it's very clear that they're
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they're stressed. They're not, they're not, I
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don't know. They're not flowing like they
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usually do. So and you see her still kind
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of, I felt like kind of forcing it because when she was getting
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ready to go to the tent and he was like, you're leaving.
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And she was like, well, the wise ones want me to sleep in their
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tent so we can practice some more.
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She was like, I can stay. He was like, no, you go.
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And again, that goes back to, for me, the first season, you
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know, I had a conversation about them being teenagers, but them
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acting more mature than most teenagers we see in
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relationships in in media these days, because they had a
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conversation about their future when she was like, OK, I know we
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talked about doing this, but I think I want to go be a wisdom.
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And if I'm a wisdom, I can't get married.
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And he was just like, I know. And it's like they had a moment
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to mourn what could have been and that was it.
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Like they didn't argue about it. They had some words later on
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about it. But it was never, you know, just
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the kind of blow up teenage or young adult arguments that we
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always see in relationships with you.
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You want this more than men. You don't want to be with me.
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But we didn't see any of that, right?
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So I just have a feeling now again, you kind of see that
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understanding between them, like they are still on the court, but
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just in a different way. And it makes me sad because I
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like them two together. I thought they were cute.
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But at the same time, I do believe that they have outgrown
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each other. And then of course, there's the
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fact of grand, you know, Sneer Land beer and land beer trying
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to kill E Gwang. That's that's a problem.
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That's a. Problem.
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Yeah, but it ain't going to be a problem too because Gwen found
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the truth out now. But you know what?
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That's what happens when you go poke around and focus dreams
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when you're not supposed to. That's so invasive and I that's
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one of the things that I think bothers me about this whole
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whole dream Walker thing because landfill, we know she's going to
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go on other people's dreams because she's forsaken.
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We're not expecting her to do anything good.
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We're not expecting her to respect boundaries, We're not
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expecting her to ask consent. We're not expecting that from
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her. These people are ants to her.
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Right she don't give a fuck, I don't care but for E Gwen to do
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it even though she had innocent intentions.
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She just wanted to check on her friends and see if her friends
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were OK while she was trying to give Morena Suwan some privacy.
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Yeah, but obviously, obviously they didn't teach her etiquette,
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you know, just going other people's dreams.
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But I think it was a warning to say that if you and someone
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else's dreams, they are the ones that have the power.
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Yeah, but also what did Bear tell her?
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Bear and Mullane both told her you are not to go and to tell
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her on Riyadh without us telling you that you can go because it's
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too dangerous. And I mean.
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Telling around Riyadh is dangerous, but being someone
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else's dream is very dangerous. Yeah, but OK, so this is the,
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this is the look here. Here's a lesson time because I'm
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still kind of confused about. So when you're in your dream,
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that's kind of like one level and then Teleronriad is a
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different level. They're not necessary, they're
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not the same thing. They're very separate so.
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But but some people can inadvertently enter Teleronriad
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in their dreams, but they're only there briefly, OK?
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Like when you saw Ewing walking around to around Riyadh and she
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was seeing bits and pieces. Yes, I did OK.
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Those are people touching to around Riyadh from their own
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dreams. That's what I was wondering
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because I was like, it's not like at first when we first saw
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the shadow running, I was like, OK, Landfill is playing with
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her. And then you hear like children.
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That was like, I don't think she would take the form of a child
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to kind of terrorize Gwen. And then you see the the one
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kind of like a almost like a spectral form playing with the
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doll. And then you see, you see the
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little boy and it's like he's there for a second and then he's
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not. And I was like, oh, OK, So the
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little boy just kind of stepped in there and he stepped back
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out, but I wasn't sure because I was like, OK, is this something
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children can do? But I guess, like Bear said,
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everyone can touch tell. What did she say?
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Hello, Everyone can touch Teller on Teller on Riyad, but not
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everyone has the ability to enter.
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She doesn't say anything about skill.
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There's no skill level involved in this.
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There's no, I guess, no age limit involved.
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It's just kind. Of like it doesn't involve, it
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doesn't involve channeling. Yeah, it's just kind.
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Of we. Have but you know, if, if, if
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it's in you, you just kind of step in and oh, I'm not supposed
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to be here. Let me come back out.
00:23:34
But they don't know that they're doing this.
00:23:37
Yeah. So yeah.
00:23:39
Oh, I I did say I did say it doesn't involve channelling, but
00:23:44
if you have certain Tarangi all and can channelling, you can
00:23:51
because it it gives you ability to do it.
00:23:54
Those those were big Tehran graals in the book Song Grip.
00:23:59
Tear for the guys, massage for the women.
00:24:02
No, no, no. Tehran graals are are objects
00:24:07
that you channel power into for a specific purpose.
00:24:10
Oh, OK. OK.
00:24:12
To the weaving. OK.
00:24:14
You're going to learn about that in the season finale, but
00:24:17
there's shortcuts into weaving. Wait, how do you know what I'm a
00:24:21
learn about in the season finale?
00:24:23
Is it? Is it because?
00:24:24
Obvious from the promo that there's there's a you.
00:24:28
Whatever anyway. OK.
00:24:29
No, I'm just saying because, you know, I just thought about it.
00:24:31
I haven't seen the promo yet so OK.
00:24:33
So I'm trying. OK well so I'm trying to this.
00:24:36
Even when I read the book, this was still hard for me.
00:24:40
OK. Sangria can I think of them as
00:24:43
like batteries. OK.
00:24:46
OK, either batteries or amplifiers.
00:24:50
Saddle and bone OK. Yeah, amplifiers, Tehran Graal
00:24:57
are objects that were created by the one Power with a specific
00:25:01
purpose, like the oath rods, the Tehran Graal.
00:25:06
OK. The the the painting thing that
00:25:10
Swan and Marine use right to get into Teleran Riad are
00:25:16
tarrangrial. You channel into them and it
00:25:19
does something specific. OK, so something like calendar
00:25:24
it does. It is more like an amplifier.
00:25:27
So it's a sangrial? OK.
00:25:30
The sarcanem is an amplifier. It's a sangrial.
00:25:33
OK. The the Sean Chan bands and
00:25:41
collars are tarrangrial because they're channelling for a
00:25:45
specific thing. OK, OK.
00:25:49
I don't know why we're on this conversation, but yeah, because.
00:25:53
I'm still trying to, yeah. They can you be used to enter
00:25:58
the dream world, which is what we saw Swan and Marine use.
00:26:03
They're using that to go into the dream world together.
00:26:07
OK, yeah, but this time she got a Gwaine to take her and I was
00:26:13
like for her to go to East Gwaine and ask Wayne.
00:26:17
OK, so they're teaching you how to do this.
00:26:19
OK, so can you do it with a pastor?
00:26:21
Like can't can can you take me somewhere?
00:26:23
I was like, they have to have been there for at least a few
00:26:27
months because I don't think Moraine would ask Ewaine to do
00:26:30
that if Ewaine was still just in the learning stages.
00:26:35
Yeah, it had to be at least at least a month or two too.
00:26:38
Dangerous. At least a month, at least a
00:26:40
month, at least at the minimum a month.
00:26:43
And if she was doing it every night.
00:26:44
And that's a lot because in the book, in the book, it takes a
00:26:48
while. And I think they're just
00:26:50
speeding up the process for the show here.
00:26:52
Is that, is that why Milan? Because even when we see her
00:26:56
trying it for the first time, you know, she she wakes up and
00:27:02
tell her on Riyadh and they're telling her they were like,
00:27:06
yeah, you know, there are things that can hear that can hurt you.
00:27:10
And Bear says there's things that can eat you, that can eat
00:27:13
you up. Bear says there's things that
00:27:16
can shatter your heart, and then I think Elaine says there are
00:27:20
things that can eat your heart. Yeah.
00:27:23
Oh, reverse because Elaine said the other one and then Bear said
00:27:27
the one about eating. But then when she does that, all
00:27:31
of a sudden Dwayne's clothing changes and she was like, what
00:27:37
happened? And Bear said you were feeling
00:27:39
scared so you needed to protect yourself.
00:27:41
So you put on a suit of armor. She said basically anything that
00:27:44
you think of and hear it can happen.
00:27:48
So then she changes into some regular clothes and she lays
00:27:53
back down and or no, she doesn't.
00:27:56
They tell her about the dangers of teller on Riyadh, but they're
00:28:00
like, but this is your, you know, this is your, you know,
00:28:03
when you're in your dreams, you control your dreams.
00:28:06
This person who is stalking you, if she's in your dreams, you can
00:28:10
control that. You can, you can kick her out if
00:28:13
you want to. It's just a matter of doing
00:28:15
that. If you feel in danger and you
00:28:19
need to be somewhere else, you just think of somewhere else and
00:28:22
you will be somewhere else. And then that's when all of a
00:28:25
sudden she disappears and she ends up in the abandoned streets
00:28:30
of Tarba line in her mind. But then that's where Lanfir
00:28:33
finds her. And Lanfir at this point looks
00:28:37
at her face to face because I think when a Gwen first saw her
00:28:42
and there was a shadow, I think she thought she was seeing Rena.
00:28:46
And then Lanfir comes to her and she was like, I'm so glad you're
00:28:50
here. She's basically like has her in
00:28:52
a chokehold. And then that pin drops in the
00:28:56
real world, she wakes up and they're like, Oh my God, you are
00:29:00
really being stalked by what did they call her the shadow soul?
00:29:03
The shadow soul. They were like, you really are
00:29:07
being stalked by one of them. And Iguana is like, what is the
00:29:10
shadow soul? They're like you wetlanders call
00:29:13
them forsaken. And Iguana was like, shit, they
00:29:19
found me like yeah, that was been keeping that was been
00:29:23
keeping track of y'all. I don't know if she knew where
00:29:26
Dwayne was, but she definitely knows where Randy is because I
00:29:30
think she said that she said something to him about the IO
00:29:32
waste in the last episode, right?
00:29:35
I think so. Yeah, because she was.
00:29:37
Like. It's smart.
00:29:40
But I'm just kind of, I don't want to say confused, but she
00:29:46
had already been in a Dwayne's dreams as Rena, so she's always
00:29:53
kind of know where she was. She's always going to her dreams
00:29:56
anyway. So why was this special?
00:30:01
Why was it saying different? Maybe because before it, Gwen
00:30:07
had no idea of what was going on.
00:30:09
And now because she's being trained and she's being more
00:30:12
aware, maybe that's why it seemed different and, and it I
00:30:17
don't know, maybe Lanfier is like, OK, so now that you know
00:30:21
the difference, I don't need to hide my face anymore.
00:30:24
Like she's she's basically challenging E Gwen.
00:30:29
You know, she's she's jealous of E Gwen because of Rand.
00:30:32
And I mean, she had her big declaration to Rand in this
00:30:36
episode. She told Rand, I love you.
00:30:38
I love you for the for the the man you are, the boy you are as
00:30:43
much as who you were before she So she's all in.
00:30:52
So now she's to the point where she's like, OK, you know what?
00:30:55
I'm going to stop hiding behind this other face this girl is
00:30:58
scared of. I'm going to give her something
00:30:59
to really be scared of. Because again, at this point, if
00:31:03
Wayne doesn't even know about Celine slash land fear, she does
00:31:09
now. But you know, because she sees
00:31:13
it in his dream at the end of the episode.
00:31:16
And I think maybe even for her more horrifying than the fact
00:31:22
that it's land fear and she she realizes this is the woman
00:31:26
that's been stalking her. But again, she's in Rand's
00:31:30
dream. So this is what Rand is saying
00:31:33
in his dreams. This is what Rand is desiring at
00:31:36
this point. Yeah, but OK, so we know the
00:31:41
truth. But this is the devil advocate
00:31:44
here for Rand. If Lanfield has or if this
00:31:49
shadow soul who's been stalking you has been doing this to you
00:31:53
in your dream, how do you know she's not manipulating him in
00:31:59
his dream? She.
00:32:01
Yeah, she doesn't. I thought that it was Renna.
00:32:03
It looked like Renna. Lanfield has the same haircut as
00:32:10
E Wayne. Oh yeah, it's.
00:32:11
The same hairstyle? How do you not know that maybe
00:32:15
she looks like? Yeah.
00:32:19
Wayne to him, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:20
Like, how does she? She jumped to a conclusion.
00:32:23
But again, I know that. Yeah.
00:32:25
Yeah. And but you're in his dream.
00:32:27
He's dream. He could be dreaming about you.
00:32:29
And it's land fear. But he didn't know it's land
00:32:32
fear. Yeah, now we know different,
00:32:34
but. We know different, but I'm
00:32:36
saying she don't know different. Yeah, but you know, I think the
00:32:42
sad thing about that whole interaction, I think is, you
00:32:48
know, all this time that laughing and ran have been in
00:32:51
this, you know, they've been in Teleron Riyadh or she's been in
00:32:54
his dreams and there's been the almost touching and you can kind
00:32:58
of feel the longing because he's like, OK, yes, I'm with E Gwen,
00:33:01
but I still feel attracted to her.
00:33:03
I still care about, you know, that I'm talking about land
00:33:07
fear. And it's it's almost as if in
00:33:10
this episode when he finally kind of relents and kisses her,
00:33:16
I was thinking about what you said about about land fear and
00:33:21
Lou's Theron and about how she only wanted him for his power.
00:33:27
And he didn't feel like, you know, that that wasn't what he
00:33:31
wanted out of the relationship. Like, he was into her because
00:33:35
she was her. She was into him because she
00:33:37
wanted the power. And he broke up with her because
00:33:40
of that. I was getting kind of sort of
00:33:43
maybe opposite vibes with this because I think Rand understands
00:33:48
that if Gwen is probably destined for something
00:33:51
different, that does not include him.
00:33:54
And then here you are. You have this one person next to
00:33:57
you that you do care about who is telling you, I love you, I
00:34:02
want to be with you. I love the person that you are
00:34:06
now as much as I love the person that you were before.
00:34:11
And it's just kind of like one of those things where he's just
00:34:13
like, this is this is what I want.
00:34:15
I want someone to love me and see all of me and accept all of
00:34:18
me. And I feel like, I do feel like
00:34:20
with E Gwen, sometimes he holds himself back because he doesn't
00:34:24
want her to look at him in a certain way, you know?
00:34:29
There's another possibility. What's the other possibilities?
00:34:33
He's playing a dangerous game he's trying to manipulate or
00:34:38
Forsaken. That goes back to that
00:34:41
conversation he had with Moraine in the bedroom way back when.
00:34:48
She was like we need her to help us when he drink, when he went
00:34:53
to sleep. Yes, when they went Kyrie in,
00:34:58
you think he would be. Well, you know what?
00:35:02
Yeah. Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking about
00:35:05
what what Moraine said to him last episode about this
00:35:09
arrogance will get and she didn't finish the thing.
00:35:12
But yeah, this arrogance will get you killed if he if he has
00:35:16
gotten that comfortable in knowing that he is the Dragon
00:35:20
Reborn and knowing he has certain things to do.
00:35:23
Because I'm pretty sure that what we saw love his visions and
00:35:28
Ruidian, that's probably not the only thing he saw, right?
00:35:33
And we don't know we. Know it's not.
00:35:35
We know it's not the only thing he saw because he was there for
00:35:38
seven days. Right.
00:35:40
But also we don't see how he got how he got Moraine out of the
00:35:45
rings. So I don't know, like I don't
00:35:49
know. She had to.
00:35:50
He couldn't. He couldn't take her out.
00:35:52
She had to, yeah, on her own. OK, that's what I was going to
00:35:55
ask because I was like, I don't know if he's able to get into
00:35:58
the rings. Like they never specifically
00:36:00
say, OK, so Rand, you you're going in the glass columns to
00:36:05
see the, you know, all the memories of your ancestors, but
00:36:10
you can only go in the glass columns.
00:36:12
Then he couldn't go in the ring so.
00:36:15
Because if a man, remember I told you, if a if a man touches
00:36:19
the the women's collar and bracelets, not instantly both of
00:36:25
them the same thing. If he had stepped into the
00:36:28
rings, he would have died. OK.
00:36:31
If she had went into the glass columns, she would have died.
00:36:34
OK. So when Latrice had died made
00:36:36
that she she very specifically separated those two because we
00:36:40
saw her make the columns, but we didn't see her place the rings
00:36:44
there. So I'm assuming that's a later
00:36:48
edition. Yeah, those, those would be
00:36:52
Tehran Griell. OK.
00:36:55
And before and they have specific purposes.
00:36:58
OK, OK. But yeah, OK.
00:37:02
So that's interesting to think that Ran might be trying to
00:37:05
manipulate. Because think about it, she is.
00:37:08
He knows at this point that she is now the most powerful of the
00:37:13
Forsaken. Because the Shamale is dead if
00:37:17
he can get her on his shy. Male is dead without.
00:37:21
Hesitation. As far as they are concerned,
00:37:24
he's dead. Died so many.
00:37:28
He died so many times in the books.
00:37:30
Whatever OK having having her on his side or at least at least
00:37:40
having the same goal and objective then that gives him
00:37:47
hit a leg up on the other forsaken.
00:37:50
OK, all the ones who want him dead.
00:37:54
Yeah, well. We do.
00:37:56
Know all of them except for her. Yeah, that's what I was going to
00:38:00
say. We do know for a fact I don't.
00:38:03
I don't think she wants him dead like I don't.
00:38:05
I don't see telling somebody I love you.
00:38:07
I want to be with you. I want you to.
00:38:09
Die. She doesn't want to.
00:38:10
Be like those. Those sentences don't go
00:38:12
together. So yeah.
00:38:14
Yeah, So OK, it's her, her objectives.
00:38:18
I know these were unclear. Her objectives are very apparent
00:38:22
at the moment. Like she's also so many.
00:38:25
She's very manipulative too. So this is my.
00:38:30
I don't. I don't know if I want to call
00:38:32
it a theory, but I did think about this.
00:38:34
Go ahead and call it a theory, and Honor might just call it a
00:38:37
theory. So in the last episode when she
00:38:43
was in Rand's dream and she was talking about a way to break her
00:38:47
oaths, she mentions the Sarconan.
00:38:53
Now Moraine has it and we also saw a whole bunch of visions of
00:39:00
Moraine getting her throat slit by land fear and I'm just kind
00:39:06
of wondering if LAN fear manipulates.
00:39:09
I know she kind of told Ran she was like, oh, so you came to the
00:39:12
IO waste that was smart, blah blah blah.
00:39:15
But I'm wondering if maybe she had a part in that because she
00:39:20
wanted she know she couldn't go in there and get it.
00:39:22
I mean, I don't know what kind of I don't know if forsaken can
00:39:26
enter Ruidian or what it would do.
00:39:28
I would assume that something is protecting it, but I'm just
00:39:34
wondering if she kind of manipulated the situation so
00:39:38
that Moraine would go in and get it and then she's going to try
00:39:41
to take it from Moraine. That's a good theory, I don't
00:39:49
know. I just, I just wonder because I
00:39:51
was like, it seems like such a coincidence that she mentions
00:39:56
this and she talks about, OK, yeah.
00:39:58
So if a woman gets the Sarcona and, you know, a man who can
00:40:03
channel, gets calendar, then we can do this.
00:40:06
We can kill the Forsaken. And then all of a sudden the
00:40:09
next episode we learned about the Sarcona and Moraine has the
00:40:14
Sarcona and she takes it out of Ruidian.
00:40:17
Like, I don't know if she was supposed to do that.
00:40:20
I don't know if the Zarconia was supposed to stay in there.
00:40:23
I you know, it's again, because it's not something I'm familiar
00:40:27
with. I don't know what the rules are
00:40:29
regarding those song real. Like was that supposed to stay
00:40:34
in the tree because every vision of Rand.
00:40:38
All of that is original. Oh, OK.
00:40:42
OK, so I was going to say, every vision we saw of Rand, we saw
00:40:46
the tree and we saw Sarcona right there in the heart of the
00:40:50
tree. Yeah, that's all the reason.
00:40:53
And I'm sure Latrice said. I put words around it just like
00:40:56
the draft, just like blue standard put words around
00:40:58
calendar, OK? So even if even if Lynn Free had
00:41:04
figured out where it was, she probably couldn't get to it.
00:41:06
Yeah. She probably couldn't get it.
00:41:09
She probably I would. I wouldn't be surprised if she
00:41:17
knew what Latrice that I had done, sending out all the the
00:41:24
Sangreal and turn growl with the with the IO to be hidden right,
00:41:29
But she wouldn't have known where they went, because
00:41:32
remember Latrice that I didn't tell them to go to the IO waste.
00:41:37
They made that decision on their own.
00:41:39
Yeah. So at best, she knew it was
00:41:42
still out there in the world. She wouldn't know where it was
00:41:47
and because by the time they did it, she had been sealed away.
00:41:50
Yeah, yeah. But I'm wondering if if Moraine
00:41:56
had left the Sarcona in the tree, because remember, she
00:42:00
found it and put it in her pocket right before she saw the
00:42:03
rings and went into the rings. I'm wondering if she had left
00:42:07
the Sarcona in the tree and then gone into the rings, would her
00:42:10
future have changed? That's I think that's the thing
00:42:15
that was making me think because I'm like.
00:42:17
That's the one thing we didn't see in the visions we want was
00:42:21
the Sarcona. Yeah, but we saw Landfair
00:42:23
killing her a lot of times, and we know Landfair wants the
00:42:26
Sarcona for whatever reason. She claims she wants to be able
00:42:30
to break her Dark host, but maybe that's not the reason why
00:42:32
she wants. And maybe she wants, I mean, she
00:42:35
could want to be more powerful than the Dark 1.
00:42:38
I don't know if the Sarcona would allow her to do that, but
00:42:42
we could have been seeing just the result of, you know, kind of
00:42:45
cause and effect. OK, you take the Sarconan.
00:42:48
So now the person who wants the Sarconan probably more than you,
00:42:51
you see 1000 thousand visions of her killing you.
00:42:55
But if you hadn't touched it and then went to the rings, would
00:43:00
you have seen your future differently?
00:43:01
Like she tells LAN in this episode, she was like, I saw it.
00:43:06
I don't I'm not at the last battle.
00:43:08
And she was like if if I him alive ran and every vision that
00:43:13
I saw where I lived, Rand died. And the only way that Rand will
00:43:18
win is if I am not there. Now I did notice she did she
00:43:23
didn't say that she when she said that particular statement.
00:43:28
I think when she said if Rand is to live the last battle, I won't
00:43:35
be there or something like that. I noticed she didn't say she was
00:43:38
dead in that one. Did you say I didn't make it to
00:43:42
the last battle or I'm not at the last battle?
00:43:46
I think she just said I'm not at the last battle, but I don't
00:43:51
know. She was drunk off that IU
00:43:57
oozling oolong whatever. It is.
00:44:00
The, the, the IEO moonshine. But yeah, so I was just kind of
00:44:05
wondering again, it's, it's one of those things where I'm, I'm
00:44:08
taking it all of this information and my mind is going
00:44:12
like a mile a minute trying to figure out like, OK, so am I
00:44:17
looking at the story that they're telling us and this
00:44:21
actually what they're telling us?
00:44:22
Or are they kind of giving us a misdirect?
00:44:26
That's because that's what I kind of I feel like they're
00:44:29
pulling the Okie doke on us, but I'm just not quite sure yet what
00:44:34
the Okie doke is. But I feel like even with all of
00:44:38
this that they showed us in this episode, I was like, there's
00:44:41
some information missing. And I don't know, something
00:44:45
about that Sarconan being in Moraine's position is bothering
00:44:50
me because of the fact. That I think.
00:44:53
I think we might be heading down the road of over thinking.
00:44:56
You think so? Yeah, because I remember
00:44:58
thinking that too, you know that because the one thing I noticed,
00:45:04
none of her visions, she had the Sarcona, but it was in her
00:45:08
possession, right? So I don't know.
00:45:13
I don't know if it would have made a difference whether she
00:45:16
had it or not. See.
00:45:17
I feel, I feel like. I think her visions were going
00:45:19
to be the same no matter what because even because 1-1
00:45:30
Lanchier Lanchier doesn't seem to be trying to manipulate
00:45:38
Moraine in her dreams or manipulate her other than trying
00:45:43
to help her manipulate Ran, right?
00:45:47
Secondly, I think it's more important that she sees that she
00:45:52
doesn't have the Sarconan in her visions.
00:45:57
And that may be something that she thought of too, which is why
00:45:59
she's trying to figure out how to use it to protect herself
00:46:03
from landfill. Because not in any of those
00:46:06
visions that she that we saw that she ever had it.
00:46:14
So it's possible the wheel intended for her to go there.
00:46:21
The wards were probably placed there, and since Latrusodi was
00:46:25
probably the last isodi there, it was probably for an isodi to
00:46:30
get, and as an isodi she was able to get it.
00:46:36
OK, Yeah. But the rings were not.
00:46:41
The rings don't intentionally, I don't want to say they're
00:46:44
sentient, but it was showing her what she needed to see and she
00:46:49
needed to see that if she isn't prepared, that is going to kill
00:46:53
her over and over again. And also if she doesn't die, Ran
00:46:59
can be successful. That's what she needed to see.
00:47:08
OK. OK, we have to.
00:47:10
We have to, we have to be careful about trying to
00:47:12
overthink these things because that's why I say it's important,
00:47:15
she says. I'm not at the last battle, but
00:47:18
she doesn't really say I'm dead. She only says Rand Rand and if I
00:47:28
live Rand dies. OK.
00:47:32
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are those are two
00:47:37
separate. Yeah, so, so if she OK 'cause I
00:47:44
was going to say so if she's not at the last battle, then where
00:47:48
the hell is she? If she's not dead, I mean, But I
00:47:53
mean that that that could be OK. We're.
00:47:58
We're not going to go down this yellow brick road today.
00:48:00
We'll just as you say, we'll stick a pin in that because
00:48:03
there's some other interesting things happening in this episode
00:48:06
that we need to get to. And for right now, I'm going
00:48:11
straight to a lot of that bitch to die because I'm sure that
00:48:21
maybe for half a second. So one was wishing that she was
00:48:27
a dark friend so she didn't have to abide by those oaths because
00:48:30
I'm sure she wanted to take that one power and whip the shit out
00:48:34
of the lighter after the disrespect she displayed in the
00:48:40
ambulance office. I was looking at this like.
00:48:45
If if you look that disrespect in the dictionary, you will see
00:48:49
a picture of a lot of star. And it's probably, and it's
00:48:52
probably one of those scratch and sniff pictures that that
00:48:56
smells like roses. Rotten Roses is that?
00:49:01
Is that what someone said? No, she just said.
00:49:04
She just said the overwhelming smell of your perfumed roses.
00:49:08
Yeah, nobody wants to see that. Because she's sitting there
00:49:13
reading, I'm assuming one of Moraine's letters, you know,
00:49:16
because of course she and Moraine are not on good terms
00:49:19
right now. She's she's reading the letters,
00:49:21
She smells the letter that all of a sudden you see her kind of
00:49:24
look and she puts the letter away real quick and before Eliza
00:49:28
even gets into the room. Good.
00:49:30
She was like the scent of your perfumed rose.
00:49:33
Is is it's it's so strong that it you know, it comes into the
00:49:38
room before you do. I was like, oh, that, but that's
00:49:41
a good that's a good alarm to have.
00:49:44
She coming down the hall. You like, oh, she going to be
00:49:46
here in 5 four. And, and the worst part of it
00:49:57
the the outright disrespect, she said.
00:50:00
Mother they. Come in polite.
00:50:03
She said. You fool many people, but I know
00:50:07
what you are. River trash man.
00:50:12
I know she was. Before that bef even before.
00:50:15
That I know she's got, she's talking about you can turn this
00:50:18
proper place into a, a river hood and you've had kings and
00:50:22
Queens sit on this. On these simple chairs with hard
00:50:26
ass. Carpet.
00:50:27
Hard ass carpet. No, ma'am, I know.
00:50:32
I know what you are, River trashed.
00:50:35
I was like, wow, I've. Had I paused?
00:50:39
This is the first time watching this episode.
00:50:43
I paused. Like you bitch.
00:50:46
I had to get up and get myself together.
00:50:51
But again, just like she did with Quinn, more gays.
00:50:55
So one, she kept it together. She did.
00:50:58
I don't know how she. Did because when Eliza was like,
00:51:01
because obviously Eliza has been elected as the temporary sitter
00:51:05
of the red Agia because one, she was given the audience with
00:51:09
Cameron and then two, she was like, I'm going to call for a
00:51:12
vote in the hall and you know, for us to go after and Cage
00:51:18
Randall, Thor and blah, blah, blah.
00:51:20
And what this was that she said. She said, we'll see which way
00:51:25
the votes go. She said I assume you have a
00:51:27
better handle on that then the last time you faced off against
00:51:32
me, I was like, you know what? So 1 is that bitch.
00:51:35
She was like, oh, you think you about to come up in my house and
00:51:38
disrespect me. She was like, no, I'm a
00:51:40
disrespect you, but I'm going to be polite with this shit.
00:51:43
I loved it. She was just looking at her like
00:51:47
you still talking, you still talk.
00:51:49
She was like, it's very hard to get in this an appointment with
00:51:52
me. I'm sure you're not here to talk
00:51:54
about my sense of style. Like, come on.
00:51:59
But when I tell you that woman, when she called her river trash,
00:52:04
I was like that. I was like that meme, like, oh,
00:52:08
what? I rewound it.
00:52:13
River trash. Oh, she was like, yeah, you
00:52:17
can't. What does she call it?
00:52:19
She said you've been the same thing ever since you brought
00:52:22
your little filthy 9 year old self through our doors.
00:52:25
I was like wow. I said, are you mad that someone
00:52:28
younger than you beat you as Amalan or you just don't like
00:52:31
her just because of where she's from or it's probably.
00:52:34
Because of where she's from and and the fact that, you know, he
00:52:41
lied to have been around a long time.
00:52:43
I, I Yeah. You know, and, and she's
00:52:47
probably been dealing with noble families, noble houses her
00:52:51
entire life. Yeah.
00:52:53
And to have this river trash become Armalin that there has to
00:53:02
be so disrespectful to her. I felt the same way I did when
00:53:10
Nolan called Peggy his pets, his pets on Invincible.
00:53:17
I felt the same outrage. I was like, hold up this bitch.
00:53:20
Like I wanted to come through the screen and fight for
00:53:23
someone. But again, so why kept her cool?
00:53:26
She made her little digs and when the only time you saw her
00:53:31
falter was when Eliza asked her about Moraine because she comes
00:53:35
in, the first thing she says is where is Elaine?
00:53:38
She was like, her brothers have been missing her.
00:53:40
And Swan says, I said, she's on a mission of my own choosing.
00:53:44
I've already let her mother know.
00:53:46
And that's when Eliza really starts going in on her.
00:53:49
But then she was like, where's Marines to die?
00:53:51
And you see someone's face almost falter.
00:53:54
And she was like, she's been exiled.
00:53:57
She was like, yeah, cuz I remember when you were a novice,
00:54:00
you were all over her like a little lovesick puppy.
00:54:02
And I think I, I asked about that a couple of episodes ago.
00:54:05
I was like, was it widely known that they were together back
00:54:09
then? And yeah, apparently it was.
00:54:12
And so I was like, that was a long time ago.
00:54:15
And she was like, people never change.
00:54:17
I was like, so you literally are telling her that you are the
00:54:20
same bitch that she beat went up for the ambulance seat 20 years
00:54:25
ago. So you OK you the same person
00:54:28
too. But salon was just like, well
00:54:33
that's about all our time. The ambulance The ambulance day
00:54:37
is a busy 1 is. There anything else?
00:54:40
And then she's like, no, thank you, Mother.
00:54:44
Is, is the way she says mother. It's just like there's so much
00:54:47
disdain dripping off her tongue when she has to call someone
00:54:52
mother. She's like, no, thank you
00:54:55
mother, for your time. I thought did that mean with the
00:54:59
the person doing this someone looking for a way to use the one
00:55:04
power? That's how I felt because the,
00:55:08
the look on Salon's face when Elijah walked out, I was like,
00:55:12
she's sitting here thinking, damn, I need to know if she's a
00:55:16
dark friend for real. Because I need I, I need to get
00:55:18
her. Speaking of trying to figure out
00:55:21
if she's a dark friend, not a segue.
00:55:26
I think Swan had the same thought.
00:55:27
I need to find out if this chick is dark.
00:55:31
She's black. Harsh.
00:55:33
Let me tell you, Leanna is all but convinced.
00:55:36
Leanna is like she black Asha. We just need to go.
00:55:39
We just need to go take care of her.
00:55:40
And even Veron is like, I understand how you feel, but we
00:55:45
have to make certain, and I will tell you this, something about
00:55:51
this episode and maybe a little bit about the last episode I'm
00:55:56
starting to change my opinion about Baron said that I think
00:56:01
she could be the the other black Asha.
00:56:05
What will make you think that I? Don't it's either her or it or
00:56:09
it was Adelaus because when they're sitting there talking
00:56:12
when someone comes in and she's telling her about the numbers,
00:56:15
she was like, OK, yeah, so it it's about the numbers, she
00:56:18
said. Leandrin, you know, she
00:56:22
basically had hearts, for she was.
00:56:24
Connected to the. 4 hearts to the black Asha, she said there
00:56:28
were three people in each heart. She had four hearts.
00:56:30
That means there were twelve of them.
00:56:32
Eleven of them revealed themselves.
00:56:34
So there's still one more. But if you notice at the
00:56:37
beginning of that scene when she is with Adelais, like Adelais
00:56:40
still is recovering from what whatever spell Naomi did on her,
00:56:45
if you want to call it a spell. But she's sitting there drinking
00:56:50
her tea. And when Sawan comes in, of
00:56:54
course, they're not really trying to hide anything from
00:56:56
Adelaide because they think, OK, Adelaide, her mind is a little
00:56:59
bit muddled. She probably won't pay
00:57:02
attention. But did you notice the change in
00:57:06
her demeanor when the words Black Asha came out?
00:57:10
She literally and she was sitting there paying attention
00:57:14
to what they were saying. So it was it's either Adelaide
00:57:18
is or is is Varian. But the the reason why I said I
00:57:23
think it could possibly be Varian is because one when
00:57:30
Leanna was sitting there talking about, oh, is it lighter?
00:57:32
Is it lighter? Is it lighter?
00:57:36
I feel like she was trying to deflect from that because she
00:57:39
might be black Asha, but I don't think she wants somebody else to
00:57:42
be accused of that false thing. I, I don't know, I I feel like
00:57:45
she's kind of teetering if she is black Asha.
00:57:50
The second part is when they do the little bait and switch thing
00:57:55
later on in the episode. You know, they have the not the
00:57:58
accepted girl bring Adelais out and Elias.
00:58:02
Elias sees her and they start talking and the girl goes back
00:58:06
in and Leanna is like so did she take the bait?
00:58:09
The girl says yes, Veron is over there reading the book but she
00:58:13
looks so worried. And I was like, OK.
00:58:17
Is she worried about her sister talking to a lighter?
00:58:20
Or is she worried about her sister maybe slipping up and
00:58:23
saying something that she's not supposed to say because she
00:58:25
doesn't know that she's not supposed to say it.
00:58:28
And I know that they probably trained her.
00:58:32
They probably got her to say, OK, yeah, when she comes to you,
00:58:36
you're going to say 13th Depository, you're going to say
00:58:38
Black Asha, because that's what Adelaide does to kind of get
00:58:44
Eliza to go down to the 13th Depository where they keep
00:58:47
enjoying Amico. But they also once all of that
00:58:52
happens, once Eliza is down there, she questions Joy Amico,
00:58:57
she kills Amoco, she tries to get the the name of the last
00:59:01
sister out of Joya, But here comes the Gray man and kills
00:59:05
Joya and then attacks Elida. Suwan and Leanna come down to
00:59:11
the repository. They see what's going on.
00:59:15
Suwan, he starts healing Elida's wounds.
00:59:17
And she was like, think I may have underestimated you.
00:59:20
I think I may have, you know, kind of made a mistake with you.
00:59:24
Who is not there, Baron? Marian.
00:59:30
So I I don't know, I just feel especially after the last Gray
00:59:35
man like this is now 2 Gray men that have been in the tower, in
00:59:40
the tower. Well, they they'll be they can
00:59:43
get into the tire. I know.
00:59:44
But what I'm saying is you have two attacks like back-to-back,
00:59:51
and Baron is kind of sort of attached to both of them, kind
00:59:56
of in a right. Because when the Gray man
01:00:02
attacked Elaine and Naive, who's coming around the corner?
01:00:05
Varon, who doesn't ask who stabbed the Gray man?
01:00:10
Varon, she had what? You got a Gray man in your
01:00:15
tower, on your floor. And you don't have any questions
01:00:21
about it. You don't ask why.
01:00:23
Why do you think he's after you? You, you have no curiosity about
01:00:28
this thing whatsoever. Then you have all this stuff
01:00:34
happened with Delighta. You know, you set the trap for
01:00:38
her because that's what someone told you to do.
01:00:41
But then you didn't go with them to see what the result of that
01:00:44
trap was. This is the third great man,
01:00:48
right? Yes, but the first Gray man was
01:00:52
in the was in the town. Yeah, but they're all Mogadian.
01:00:57
Mogadian is Sinanese Gray man. Yeah, but I, I don't know.
01:01:03
They still have a sister in in the they still have a black Asha
01:01:06
in the tower. We how do we know that MO Gideon
01:01:09
is not working? Especially because she knows
01:01:12
that Leandra is leading the Black Asha because again, she
01:01:15
was disguised as a servant in Tan Chico in Leandra's house.
01:01:21
Just like she has that secret. But what would What would
01:01:27
Magedian? This is getting into the weeds,
01:01:32
but what would Mageddon game to stand or stand to gain by
01:01:38
killing Julia and Amica? Maybe.
01:01:43
How important is that 13th sister in the tower, Mageddon
01:01:52
she got her hands on the black eyes that she need to have her
01:01:55
hands on. Whatever's happened to the tower
01:01:57
don't have nothing to do with what they got going on here, and
01:02:02
the only person who knew what they were doing in Tan Chico was
01:02:06
Leandre. She just like, did she?
01:02:09
Did she tell them? In the last episode was that?
01:02:12
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:14
While they were there. Yeah, yeah, because of the
01:02:17
because of the Adam, but I don't know, my brain hasn't thought
01:02:22
that part yet. No, but the 13th sister doesn't
01:02:26
know why they're in tan. She doesn't even probably even
01:02:28
know where they are. The 12th Sister.
01:02:31
The 12th Sister. So I'm still trying to figure
01:02:36
out why the great man would be there to kill Amoco and Joy
01:02:39
because they don't have any information.
01:02:42
I mean, Joy was about to tell who The Who the 12th sister was.
01:02:46
So maybe I don't know, maybe it's, you know, kind of like
01:02:52
Magedian has her little super secret partnership with Gabriel
01:02:57
or Raven, maybe whoever this maybe she has ties to this 12th
01:03:02
sister and she doesn't want them to find out who it is, because
01:03:06
maybe that's how she's getting some of her information.
01:03:08
Aside from her being in Tan Chico, She's that means she
01:03:12
could still have somebody watching what's going on at the
01:03:15
tower for any information. I mean, that's the only thing I
01:03:19
can think of information because it's not like, I mean, unless
01:03:25
there's something this is a skill I don't know about.
01:03:27
It's not like she can be in two places at one time if she's
01:03:31
paying attention in Tan Chico because that's where the
01:03:35
priority is. OK, Leandra has identified there
01:03:38
is a male, a Dom somewhere in that town.
01:03:42
The collar. They already have the bracelet.
01:03:45
And, you know, maybe she's like, OK, while I'm here doing this, I
01:03:50
need you. Or maybe maybe she's not even
01:03:53
directly. Maybe it's an indirect thing and
01:03:56
she's just kind of like, OK, I need you to give me information
01:04:01
and let me know what's going on. So I mean, I don't know.
01:04:06
Softly, softly from the shadows. Softly, softly from the shadows.
01:04:12
So. Guess for for as much of A So I
01:04:15
guess for as much of a bitch as she is a light as not no no.
01:04:20
I was going to go off on a tangent about we still don't
01:04:24
know who that last Forsaken is. Yeah, you're.
01:04:29
Right and. That's who it is.
01:04:32
Look, maybe that's who the 13th. I mean the 12th Aja.
01:04:35
See, now you got me saying 13th. Maybe that's who the 12th Aja
01:04:38
is. I don't know.
01:04:43
But, you know, I thought Lyda was going to get it.
01:04:48
And. And this show keeps teasing
01:04:51
stuff. They keep trying to stab folks
01:04:54
and make me think that they're about to die.
01:04:56
And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. And.
01:04:59
Now Eliza is going to use this as part of her evidence to get
01:05:04
rid of. So fucking lutely.
01:05:08
See this? She set me up to be murdered.
01:05:12
She's probably working, working with dark friends.
01:05:18
So she has to be a dark friend. I kind of, yeah.
01:05:22
She right before they were going to tell me who it was, the great
01:05:27
man killed them. Yeah, I can see her using that
01:05:31
to her her advantage. That's going to be terrible.
01:05:37
But on the flip side, so why I could easily say, if that was
01:05:41
the case, why would I heal her? Because if that's what you're
01:05:46
going to do, let the great man do his job.
01:05:48
You don't have to come down there and save her.
01:05:51
Yeah, but some people may just be liquid for an excuse.
01:05:54
And I'm sure they are, but I'm saying that that that excuse
01:05:58
will be flimsy at best, I think because of the fact that Swann
01:06:02
saved her. So yeah.
01:06:07
I don't know. In combination with all the
01:06:09
other things letting letting the dragon get away.
01:06:15
Which again, was not technically her fault because she was on the
01:06:19
back. She was.
01:06:20
She was on the grounds. Technically speaking, Leanna is
01:06:23
the one that let the dragon get away.
01:06:25
It's just again who? Who.
01:06:29
Leanna is Swan's keeper. I know I'm just saying I'm I'm
01:06:32
just nitpicking, but those, those are arguments that can
01:06:36
kind of be pulled apart. We can be, but when people have
01:06:39
an idea in the head what they want to do, it's very easy to
01:06:43
overlook. I know.
01:06:45
That's why we got the prison we got now, but we're not going to
01:06:48
go there. Oh, let's not go there.
01:06:50
OK, so we're just going to segue into a different part of the
01:06:53
story because talk about almost killing folks and me having a
01:06:57
heart attack. We need to go to the Two Rivers.
01:07:04
I'm going to say it again. I want child Balda to die a slow
01:07:16
and very painful death. The problem?
01:07:20
He's saving the problem. This psychopath, right?
01:07:24
He itching, chomping at the bit to put these little girls to the
01:07:29
question. He can't wait.
01:07:35
That's a problem. And the fact that.
01:07:39
He don't really care about pairing the eyeball.
01:07:41
He don't care. They're girls and they're women
01:07:47
and they deserve to be punished. And I believe what you said in
01:07:52
the last episode, you were like, I don't think it's just I said
01:07:54
that. You said you think he has a
01:07:56
problem with women. Obviously he does like he has a
01:08:00
hard on for doing this questioning because he even
01:08:03
tries it again. He was like, OK, so we really
01:08:07
need to get this information on parent.
01:08:09
You don't let me question these women.
01:08:11
And Dane is like, no. Even drunk Dane is like no.
01:08:17
He stood there for us. He's like, yeah, no, absolutely
01:08:20
not. So he goes into the tent where
01:08:24
he's keeping the coffin women and he's trying to be nice to
01:08:31
the girls. You know, he was like, hey,
01:08:33
nobody's going to get hurt and I'm sorry.
01:08:35
I was like, as soon as he said that, I was like, somebody's
01:08:37
going to get hurt. But he's like, nobody's going to
01:08:40
get hurt. He was like, I just need to know
01:08:42
where Paranoid Bar and Barra is. And one of the girls answers,
01:08:46
you know, she was like, I'm sorry, Sir, we don't know where
01:08:50
he is. She was like, even if he was
01:08:52
back in the village, we haven't seen him.
01:08:55
And I, I, we wouldn't remember what he looks like anyway.
01:08:58
Because, you know, again, at this point, it's been a couple
01:09:01
of years. The girls were little when they
01:09:02
left. So they've gotten a little bit
01:09:05
older, but still they're like, no, we don't know him.
01:09:08
And while they're doing that, Natty is over to the side trying
01:09:11
to get his keys. And I'm just sitting there like,
01:09:13
Natty, you're about to get caught.
01:09:15
So she didn't get caught the first time.
01:09:17
He gets up and he he turns around and almost looks like
01:09:20
he's about to walk off. And then the other girl, she, I
01:09:25
guess she realizes what her mom was trying to do.
01:09:27
So she called me. She was like, but if he were to
01:09:30
come back, I know where he would go.
01:09:35
So he comes back over. He bends down to them and as
01:09:39
soon as he did that, it was something about the way his body
01:09:42
was angled. I said he knows Natty was trying
01:09:44
to take them keys. So she tries to take the keys.
01:09:51
He catches her and then he like, he pulls her arm and kind of
01:09:55
slams her face up against the cage.
01:09:59
And then all of a sudden he is hit with the one power.
01:10:05
And at this point, we don't know where it came from.
01:10:08
So of course he's pissed off. Oh, you're witches, You're
01:10:11
witches. And that is like, no, it was me.
01:10:13
It was me. And he kind of looks at her.
01:10:16
And then he opens the cage and he takes her out and gives her
01:10:19
the child bothered. He was like, this one is ready
01:10:21
for questioning. He.
01:10:22
Says you're a witch. Now, well, here's the thing, he
01:10:27
said you're a witch when he was talking to all three of them in
01:10:30
the cage. And then when Natty says it was
01:10:34
me, it was me. And he takes her out when at
01:10:37
first I was pissed. I was like, you asshole.
01:10:40
But then I started thinking, child Baldur, as we just said,
01:10:47
he wasn't going to let go of wanting to question one of those
01:10:51
girls or all three of those girls.
01:10:53
And I think Dane knew enough to know at some point he's going to
01:10:59
get what he wants. And I really feel like when he
01:11:04
was in that tent and he realized that someone to channel, I think
01:11:08
he knew it had to be one of the girls, but I don't think he
01:11:12
wanted to give the girls up to child bottle knowing what he's
01:11:16
capable of. And I think when Natty kind of
01:11:20
said it was me, it was me that kind of gave him a way to 1
01:11:24
protect the girls. Because again, Dane is doing all
01:11:27
this other bullshit because he wants parent, but we know that
01:11:31
he's not a cool person. We've seen that before.
01:11:35
Even with Ivienda when he had her locked up, he was still
01:11:38
like, OK, we can give her some water.
01:11:41
Which none of the other white clothes would have done.
01:11:44
So I think he used that as an excuse to kind of save the
01:11:48
girls. You didn't have to say they were
01:11:49
channeling and he took Maddie out, of course, didn't have to
01:11:53
say she channel. He was just like, this one's
01:11:54
ready for your questioning. Valda was going to do what he
01:11:58
did to her regardless of whether or not she was a channeler or
01:12:01
not, because he just needed to get that out of his system.
01:12:07
So of course, when Parent and File and Bane and Shiad finally
01:12:14
get down there to kind of rescue them and they get the girls out
01:12:17
and the girls tell them, OK, they took Mom that way, when he
01:12:20
comes around the corner, you can tell, probably because of his
01:12:23
senses, you can tell he already knows that Natty is dead.
01:12:27
And of course you go around and you see he tied her to a stake
01:12:31
and he burned her just like he did the other eyes to die when
01:12:34
we first met him. And at that point I was like,
01:12:37
OK, parent is about to kill somebody.
01:12:40
He's about to kill somebody because of course he's visibly
01:12:42
upset by I'll is like, OK, we have to go.
01:12:45
And they run smack dab in today. And he was like, you did this,
01:12:52
you allowed this. He was like, I thought you was a
01:12:54
good man. Danny said I was a good man up
01:12:57
until you. Then the fight starts.
01:13:02
Now before all of that, when they got ready to go to the to
01:13:06
the, you know, to the camp and they were talking about what
01:13:10
they were going to do is Paran, Fayil, Bain, Chiad, Alana and
01:13:15
Maxim and loyal. And Paran was like, OK, so this
01:13:21
is what we're going to do. Me, Bain and Chiad, we're going
01:13:23
to go down there. We're going to get Natty and the
01:13:25
girls and then Fayil says and me and the parent says, no, not
01:13:31
yet. You're going to stay up here.
01:13:34
It's going to be the three of us.
01:13:36
And she pulls out her knife and puts it up to parents throat and
01:13:40
bang the chair. Look at each other and say, and
01:13:42
her they were like, yeah, we taking her.
01:13:47
But yeah, I they get into they get into this fight I'll with
01:13:55
like 3 or 4 white cloaks and then pairing with Dane.
01:13:59
I guess Dane was pissed off enough.
01:14:01
He might have been drunk, but he was pissed off enough like OK,
01:14:04
I'm going to fight this dude when he stabbed parent inside.
01:14:09
I was like, OK, I have seen enough near death today.
01:14:12
I don't need to see anymore. And I should have kept my mouth
01:14:16
shut because I should have known that wasn't going to be the end
01:14:20
of it. Because when they're in the big
01:14:24
group, Alana makes a remark. And she was like, it's a clear
01:14:31
night tonight. There's no clouds.
01:14:34
I'm going to I'm going to create some cover.
01:14:36
And Maximus telling her he was like, no, we, we agreed that
01:14:39
you're going to stay up here and heal the girls in case they need
01:14:42
it. And she looked at him and she
01:14:44
was like, I'll create some cover.
01:14:46
And he said, Alana, no, you can't do this.
01:14:49
He was like, those are white clothes down there, You know, do
01:14:53
you know what they would do if they get even a whiff of
01:14:58
channeling being done? And she looks at him and she
01:15:02
looks at them and she was like, I'll create cover and Maximus
01:15:06
life. I don't even know why I'm
01:15:08
wasting my breath because she's going to do what she wants to do
01:15:12
when they get into this whole argument.
01:15:15
Because he was like, OK, I have said I don't like it when they
01:15:24
argue. It's so heart wrenching.
01:15:30
But yeah, he was like, he was like, so why are you doing this?
01:15:36
And she was like, you don't tell me what to do.
01:15:38
We don't we don't make no, he said we usually make decisions
01:15:43
together. And she said, we haven't been
01:15:44
much of a weed lately. He's like, really?
01:15:46
You gonna say that to me? He was like, I followed you up
01:15:48
Turn Mountain. Why you gotta call it Turnip
01:15:53
Mountain? He's I followed you up Turnip
01:15:54
Mountain and you still haven't told me what we're doing here.
01:15:59
And then she says, because you're not enough.
01:16:01
And she yells it. And at first I was like, is this
01:16:05
like a dig at him and their relationship?
01:16:07
Like, Oh my God, Ivan's not hearing you're not enough for
01:16:10
me. I knew exactly what she meant
01:16:13
the first time. Yeah, I, I, I realized that once
01:16:16
it came out, because the way he looked at her, I was like, OK,
01:16:20
she didn't mean it in that kind of way because I think he would
01:16:22
have felt it if she meant it that way.
01:16:25
And she was like, look, when I took this ring, I decided that I
01:16:33
was going to be on the winning end when this whole last battle
01:16:36
thing comes, she said. And you know what I realized
01:16:39
when the Black Asha attacked? They are ready and.
01:16:43
We are not. She said, And if nobody else is
01:16:46
going to build an army, then I will.
01:16:49
And he said an army of what? Farmers, She said The Dragon
01:16:54
Reborn? Iguain Armira.
01:16:57
Naive. The strongest hammer in the
01:17:00
last. In the last 1000 years, she said
01:17:04
they all, she said. Even the horn blower, they all
01:17:08
come from this place and she's basically telling him, look,
01:17:12
there's a lot of power here, we just got to find it.
01:17:16
So of course he gets up saying he was like, look, he was like,
01:17:18
I don't care about the last battle.
01:17:20
I don't care about ambulance, I don't care about none of this
01:17:22
shit. He was like, the only thing I've
01:17:24
ever cared about in my life is Ivan and you.
01:17:27
And if you're going to throw your life away like you did his,
01:17:31
I was like, why are we saying these horrible things to each
01:17:35
other? He's still hurt.
01:17:38
I know and I know but he was like I'm here for you.
01:17:43
I don't give a fuck about none of this other stuff.
01:17:46
But if you're going to throw your your life away, I'm not
01:17:48
going to stand here and watch. I'm going to do what we should
01:17:51
have done in the 1st place. I'm going to go find Leandron
01:17:54
and I'm going to go kill her. And when he turns around to walk
01:17:57
off she calls his name. He turns around.
01:18:01
He was like come go with me. And you can see almost for a
01:18:04
split second she was considering it.
01:18:06
Almost. And then you see her make this
01:18:10
face and she looks at him and she was like, I turned off the
01:18:13
bond. I was like, why are y'all
01:18:15
stabbing me in my heart today, y'all?
01:18:18
I don't like it, OK? I don't like it when Alana and
01:18:22
Maxim fight. And I've noticed that in the
01:18:24
last few episodes since we're seeing more of them.
01:18:27
Because when it was them and Ivan, they all, when they
01:18:31
disagreed, it was a humorous disagree.
01:18:35
It was playful, it was never hurtful, it was never Oh my God,
01:18:40
put stick the knife in and twist it.
01:18:42
And that's what I felt like with these cop, this conversation and
01:18:45
the conversation they had last episode.
01:18:48
So he leaves. So why all this stuff is going
01:18:51
down on down here in the camp. Alana is making the cover now.
01:18:56
I will say this, Alana, you could have been a little more
01:18:59
subtle because there is no way all of that fog just immediately
01:19:08
covers the camp and they don't know that that's a channel or
01:19:11
somewhere. Yeah, there's no way.
01:19:14
Yeah, and the thing about it is they know how to ask a lie, so
01:19:20
yeah. And that's what they did.
01:19:23
Because when Baldur sees the fog, he was like, yeah, you know
01:19:28
what? That other witch, she was
01:19:30
nothing and there's another white cloak with him.
01:19:33
He was like, you want to go? You want to go learn how to how
01:19:36
to catch a real woman that can channel.
01:19:38
Yeah, let's go. And I was like, please let her
01:19:41
kill him. But no, they actually get the
01:19:44
drop on her because there's so many of them.
01:19:48
They surround her and I think they know that the way the
01:19:53
shield, they know how the Shields work, so.
01:19:58
So she's shielding herself in the front because they have
01:20:00
crossbows. And as she shielded herself in
01:20:03
the front, they're shooting her in the back.
01:20:05
So. She takes several arrows, and
01:20:09
then one of the white cloaks is about to come in for the final
01:20:13
kill. Because she can't.
01:20:15
She can't do anything. She's got arrows sticking out of
01:20:17
her front, arrows sticking out of her back, A.
01:20:19
Human pincushion. So she's about to get knifed or
01:20:26
sorted, she's about to get stabbed and here comes Max from
01:20:31
fighting. He starts fighting, he starts
01:20:33
killing white clothes. Now she got a few of the white
01:20:36
clothes. She she killed a few of them,
01:20:38
but then he starts getting. I was like y'all stressing me
01:20:41
the fuck out in this damn episode.
01:20:44
Can y'all please stop shooting the people I like please.
01:20:48
We still have 3 episodes to go. We can't kill everybody I like
01:20:52
in the same episode. That's just not about to happen.
01:20:57
So then once they get all the white clothes killed and she,
01:21:01
she, you know, they crawl towards each other.
01:21:03
She was like, I'll let you know where I was.
01:21:06
He said you turned on the bond five hours ago.
01:21:12
I was like, OK, this is the kind of disagreement or this is the
01:21:16
kind of banter I want out of Maxim and Alana.
01:21:19
I don't want no more this, this, this arguing shit.
01:21:21
Cut that out, cut it out. I don't need it.
01:21:24
We got we got enough division going on elsewhere in the
01:21:28
episode. I don't need it from you too.
01:21:30
Thank you. And and, and for the people
01:21:32
listening, yes, she took a lot of arrows, but remember, because
01:21:37
of the bond, she gets the health boost.
01:21:40
Yeah, these are stat boost, so she can take it.
01:21:45
I don't know. That's a lot of arrows.
01:21:46
That's a lot of arrows. But I I need y'all to stop, stop
01:21:53
shooting my folks. And I need Alana and Maxim to
01:21:56
stop arguing just, you know, and it's so funny because even at
01:22:00
the beginning of the episode, she was trying to, she was
01:22:03
trying to sew together one of her dresses.
01:22:05
And he was telling her, he said, well, you can't put on one of
01:22:07
the sacks that they wear around here.
01:22:11
And she just looked at him like, whatever.
01:22:14
And he was like, yeah, he was like, don't you like the shop
01:22:17
and such and such? And she was like, talking about
01:22:20
leaving already. I thought you were, you know, I
01:22:22
thought you was flirting with the with the Baker boy over
01:22:25
there. Now, the Baker boy was cute.
01:22:27
He was like, yeah, but have you tasted the bread?
01:22:31
That bread was hard as a rock. Who is eating this stuff in the
01:22:34
Two Rivers? Like what?
01:22:37
So that's the kind of banter I like from them.
01:22:40
I don't. I don't like all this arguing
01:22:42
stuff. I need y'all to, I don't know,
01:22:45
y'all need to like sleep it off like literally sleep it off
01:22:49
apparently, because I I'm tired of the arguing.
01:22:54
Yeah, got yourselves killed. Do you notice he wasn't a part
01:22:59
of the Let's Catch Alana crew? He was noticeably missing.
01:23:04
Because, you know, I was hoping I was like, oh, she'd kill her.
01:23:07
She killed white clothes, white right and left.
01:23:09
Well, Valda motherfucker, nowhere.
01:23:12
And I think he did that on purpose.
01:23:14
He was like, yeah, you know what?
01:23:15
I'm going to send them up there to catch her.
01:23:18
He probably has never never been around him.
01:23:21
He he tells them what to do and then he waits to see if they can
01:23:25
do it, even if they're going to see or not.
01:23:29
No skin. Also, I think probably I and you
01:23:33
know, we know that he has killed Isodai before.
01:23:38
Maybe there was something about what was going on.
01:23:41
I don't know how he gauged it. He saw the fog or whatever.
01:23:45
He was like, Oh no, this is a powerful one.
01:23:47
I'm not going to touch her. I'm going to let y'all do it.
01:23:51
I think it's more likely that he don't come in to the cock them
01:23:58
to put them to the question or burn them.
01:24:00
I'm I'm pretty sure that's how he operates.
01:24:04
That's the only way a man like that could survive as long as he
01:24:07
has. He didn't even mess with Inguane
01:24:11
because she was tied up. Yeah, yeah, he.
01:24:16
Didn't need her to show him he could she could channel so but
01:24:21
yeah. That motherfucker.
01:24:23
Oh, and that's the other thing, because when they walk into the
01:24:26
camp, Parent notices he has wolves heads on spike and you
01:24:34
could just kind of see, you could hear parent kind of, you
01:24:38
know, he was just like, OK. This so they Yeah, so they get
01:24:47
the girls they. Get the girls.
01:24:51
Parent get the girls and take them out of the camp.
01:24:55
So the parents sees Natty and then they fight.
01:25:03
They brawl. Let me tell you.
01:25:06
That I thought Dane was going to die.
01:25:08
I really did. I did too, but I don't think,
01:25:10
like, I don't think Paron wants to kill him because I think
01:25:15
Paron in a way understands why Dane is doing what he's doing.
01:25:21
But and I think he also probably realizes that Dane wasn't the
01:25:25
one that put Natty to the torch. I mean, he he's seen Valda do
01:25:32
that before, so I think he's probably like, you know what you
01:25:36
would you were just in my way. I'm I'm going to get the one who
01:25:41
who really did it. Which again, if Valda wasn't up
01:25:44
on the on the cliffs with the rest of the white cloaks trying
01:25:49
to kill Alana and he missed the whole fight down there in the
01:25:54
camps, where the hell was he him hiding happen.
01:26:01
I'm hiding. And then fire proceeds to kick
01:26:05
everybody's ass. Listen.
01:26:08
See Black Widow, a couple of them.
01:26:10
Listen, I was like, and you wanted to look kind of like they
01:26:19
did with Wanda. Why was she back there the whole
01:26:22
time? You wanted to leave her behind.
01:26:24
Really. Really, I mean I I kind of
01:26:29
understand because when she when they got the upper hand on her
01:26:34
parents attention was distracted because he was worried about her
01:26:39
getting hurt. So maybe that's why he put her
01:26:43
back because we do know parent parent got a thing for her.
01:26:46
We saw that any Wayne's Little Dream walking because Aaron was
01:26:51
dreaming of a life in the two rivers with by hills and Hopper,
01:26:55
which made me sad but I was like OK, yeah, but that girl can
01:26:59
fight. I can see why band and she I was
01:27:01
like, we taking her to. Yeah.
01:27:04
But the whole thing with Maddie being dead now made me even
01:27:14
sadder later on in the episode because when a Gwen is doing her
01:27:18
dream walking and she's going into all of her friends dreams,
01:27:23
she's in Matt's dream. And Matt is apparently at this
01:27:27
point, he he is well off now and he's he's talking to his sisters
01:27:33
and he's telling them he was like, yeah, you guys will never
01:27:35
have to sleep on the floor again in your life.
01:27:38
And he's happy And his mom comes up to him and she says I'm proud
01:27:43
of you. And I started tearing up because
01:27:46
I was like, this is his dream to have his mom say she's proud of
01:27:50
him. And now he'll never get that
01:27:51
chance. Nope, the last thing he's going
01:27:54
to remember of his mom was her being angry and ugly when he
01:27:59
left the Two Rivers and then the visions that Ishmael showed him.
01:28:05
And there was 1. So, you know, I watch, I watch
01:28:09
the show with closed captionings.
01:28:10
And you know, sometimes the closed caption is don't get it
01:28:12
right. So when he was having those
01:28:16
visions of his mom being angry at him, one of the lines that
01:28:20
she said to him, it sounded different, but the closed
01:28:23
caption said something like, you're a prick like him.
01:28:29
And I was like, that's harsh for her to say.
01:28:31
But in this episode, he I think there was a part where he was
01:28:37
remembering something that she said to him.
01:28:41
And what she actually said was don't give up like him.
01:28:45
And I was like, oh, is that because he's looking at it
01:28:49
differently? Or is that or is that what she
01:28:52
actually said? And Ishamael kind of twisted it
01:28:55
when he was showing them the fans like, oh, but that made me
01:28:58
so sad because I was like, now Matt is never going to be able
01:29:01
to hear his mom say that. She's never going to tell him
01:29:04
she's proud of him. And he's going to have to
01:29:06
remember how ugly she was to him.
01:29:12
That made me sad because I was like, OK, I didn't really care
01:29:17
for her in the first episode when we met her, but I could
01:29:20
understand what she was going through because I mean, you
01:29:23
literally sitting here with three children struggling and in
01:29:27
your face, your husband is over there trying to fornicate with
01:29:30
another woman. I, I can understand her being
01:29:33
bitter. I can understand her being
01:29:34
angry, especially because she felt like Matt was starting to
01:29:39
be like his father as far as the gambling and stuff goes.
01:29:42
But still it's like now Matt will never get that needed
01:29:46
validation from his mom because I really think he he needs that.
01:29:49
And I think that's one of the reasons why he acts the way he
01:29:53
does with other people as far as like being a horn blower, the
01:29:57
bragging, wanting the the admiration and.
01:30:01
The Yeah. Yeah, because he he didn't get
01:30:04
it at home, but that made me sad.
01:30:10
But Speaking of Matt. Oh, the Scooby-doo crew.
01:30:17
Stuck in two. Stuck in.
01:30:21
No. Excuse me, stuck in a small room
01:30:27
on a rocking boat for two weeks with someone who keeps throwing
01:30:35
up. I can't even imagine the smell
01:30:37
in that cabin. No, I'm sorry.
01:30:42
I'm one of those people. I'm one of those people.
01:30:45
I don't. I don't throw up a lot, like at
01:30:48
all. It's very, very rare.
01:30:50
Even when my kids were little and they got sick and they threw
01:30:56
up, I couldn't go near it because I would start dry
01:31:00
heaving and almost throw up. So my ex-husband at the time
01:31:03
when I was married, he would always be the one to clean up
01:31:06
that stuff because I couldn't do it.
01:31:08
I didn't have stomach for it. I can't imagine being stuck in a
01:31:11
room and not even an air conditioned room or anything
01:31:14
like that. You are stuck on a medieval boat
01:31:17
because that's what it looks like.
01:31:19
You are stuck. You are stuck on the Jolly
01:31:22
Roger. You are stuck on the Black Pearl
01:31:26
with someone who has been puking their guts out for the last two
01:31:29
weeks. Like you've been on the boat for
01:31:30
two weeks. I know you haven't been eating a
01:31:32
lot. What the fuck are you bringing
01:31:34
up from your stomach? And.
01:31:35
Well, funny was it like, oh, they made to sit down here.
01:31:38
Oh, I think it was because they thought Naive would throw
01:31:41
herself overboard and. She was like, she was like, is
01:31:44
that an option? But it reminds me that's that's
01:31:49
how Jamie Fraser is on Outlander.
01:31:51
He he's he gets seasick too. So it's the same thing.
01:31:56
So I'm sitting here laughing. Elaine is trying to give them a
01:31:59
geography lesson on Tan Chico. Matt is going off on her.
01:32:02
Yeah, I'm sure you're not used to traveling like this.
01:32:04
You used to people hoisting you. I was like, OK, yeah.
01:32:08
Y'all have been in close quarters way too long, way too
01:32:10
long. But Elaine said that was the
01:32:13
only, that was the only promise I made to the ship captain is
01:32:17
that we will stay down here during the course of the trip.
01:32:20
But while they're traveling, she happens to look outside.
01:32:23
And she was like, hold up, we shouldn't be passing this place
01:32:27
yet. We've only been on the boat for
01:32:29
two weeks. We're moving, but.
01:32:31
She's I know their their their ships.
01:32:34
Their ships are fast, but they ain't.
01:32:35
They shouldn't be this fast. They shouldn't be this fast.
01:32:38
And of course Matt is like, oh, let's go investigate.
01:32:40
We're going upstairs. So they all go upstairs and it's
01:32:43
all, not all women crew, but it's mostly women crew.
01:32:47
And I actually liked this because, you know, anytime we're
01:32:50
watching something about ships and pirates or, you know, those
01:32:55
types of things, it's always men.
01:32:58
And you know, the superstition is always that it's bad luck to
01:33:00
have a woman on the ship. So they have all these different
01:33:04
superstitions. Or if you have a woman on the
01:33:05
boat, they have to stay down in the cabin, which I thought was
01:33:09
why they were trying to keep them down there.
01:33:11
And I was just like, oh, so woman captain, oh, it's a woman
01:33:15
staring the butt. Like, OK, all these powerful,
01:33:20
powerful women of color. I was here for it.
01:33:22
I was like, yes, OK, come on, come on.
01:33:26
Being in charge. And they start, they come down
01:33:31
and they're like, y'all aren't even supposed to be up here.
01:33:33
Y'all supposed to be down below. And she looks at 19.
01:33:36
She said, OK, you're from the mountains.
01:33:38
And then she starts telling her, I guess about how to combat her
01:33:41
sea sickness. She was like, you plant your
01:33:43
feet so firmly on the ground that you don't give sway to
01:33:47
anything else. She was like, kind of loosen
01:33:49
your legs and let the boat rock while you stay in place.
01:33:52
So she's giving her that information and 19 starts to
01:33:58
feel a little bit better and they're having a conversation
01:34:01
with the ship captain. They're like, OK, hey, can we
01:34:03
just stay up here, like. The sail mistress.
01:34:07
The sail mistress that's. What the I couldn't remember the
01:34:09
word for yes, thank you sail mistress.
01:34:11
But they were like, can we stay up here?
01:34:14
And while Matt is over here lounging, here's man, the
01:34:17
stowaway over here in the back, and she tries to sneak to her
01:34:20
room and Matt finds and he was like, hey, can I come stay with
01:34:24
you instead of them? And she was like, no, you can't
01:34:26
come into my cabin. But of course, Matt follows her
01:34:29
to her cabin. Matt doesn't.
01:34:31
Matt doesn't believe in boundaries.
01:34:33
He doesn't, or maybe he does and that's why he needed it, because
01:34:37
he was like, I can't be in. I can't be in this cabin with
01:34:40
these two anymore. Like there are no boundaries in
01:34:44
here, so I need some kind of boundaries.
01:34:45
OK, Yeah, I'll go. I'll go.
01:34:47
Disturb your boundaries. But while he's lounging in her
01:34:50
hammock, she is furiously trying to collect up all these papers
01:34:54
that she has strewn around the cabin.
01:34:57
And he picks one up and it's a drawing of him hanging the the
01:35:02
vision that she saw back in Tar Vilan.
01:35:05
And he was like, what is this? And she was like, these are my
01:35:07
visions, she said. I figure if I can, if I can
01:35:13
remember as many details, then maybe I can do something to stop
01:35:18
them from happening. Matt's like, yeah, OK.
01:35:23
He was like, I'm not going to kill myself, contrary to what
01:35:26
you might think, or maybe I won't kill myself.
01:35:30
But he's like, OK. And then she kind of lightens it
01:35:32
up. But you see him get back on the
01:35:34
Hammond, and he kind of curls up like a baby.
01:35:36
And I was like, I don't think Matt likes.
01:35:38
No. Like.
01:35:39
This is the second time he's been shown a vision of him
01:35:43
hanging himself because again, it's Shamayo.
01:35:46
That was one of the visions that he saw and fall.
01:35:51
Wait, wait, don't, don't, don't say it that way.
01:35:53
He didn't hang himself. OK, well, OK, him hanging.
01:35:57
OK, yes, him hanging, him hanging of him hanging and.
01:36:01
Also he he keeps pointing out that her visions don't always
01:36:05
come true. But dude, you did stab Brand.
01:36:12
Yeah. It she she said you killed, but
01:36:15
you don't. Yeah.
01:36:16
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yes, OK, let me change it.
01:36:21
Because he was the one who was like, I'm not going to kill
01:36:23
myself. But I was also thinking when he
01:36:25
said that you hang, it doesn't necessarily mean that you killed
01:36:28
yourself, that it could mean somebody killed you.
01:36:31
So I was like, OK, I'm not going to think that because again,
01:36:34
we're not going to have none of my people die.
01:36:36
No, we're not doing that. We've already had Ivan die this
01:36:39
season. That was that was the quota.
01:36:41
We're not doing anything. We're not doing anything.
01:36:43
But so later on, on the boat, Naive and Elaine are sleeping
01:36:49
and Elaine wakes up because there's light.
01:36:53
You can see the light being reflected on her face and she
01:36:56
looks up and the the woman who was steering the boat earlier,
01:37:01
she's actually moving the boat faster because she's channeling.
01:37:07
And when I say her movements were so beautiful because she
01:37:13
looked like she was in the midst of a dance, it was so beautiful.
01:37:20
It was so like it was, it was big.
01:37:22
It was just kind of all over the place.
01:37:26
You look, you look almost like the Northern Lights.
01:37:28
Yes, it did. And Elaine wakes up naive.
01:37:32
And then the ship mistress comes to talk to them.
01:37:36
They're like, This is why we told you to stay down because,
01:37:41
you know, we didn't want you to see this.
01:37:43
And Elaine said something to her about why, you know, if you're
01:37:50
if what do what do they call them wave riders or something
01:37:54
like that? I think she's.
01:37:55
Wind finders. Wind finders.
01:37:58
So she was like, if your wind finders can channel, why don't
01:38:01
you go to the tower to learn with what they know?
01:38:05
And her response? She said there's more than one
01:38:10
way to channel. There's more than one way to be
01:38:14
a woman. And I was like, I feel like she
01:38:18
said that for Nineve's benefit because she realized Nineve has
01:38:23
a block. You know, she said.
01:38:26
She said you can't touch the source.
01:38:28
And I need says I can touch it. I just don't have any control
01:38:33
over when I can touch it. She said, of course not.
01:38:36
Channeling is like, what did she say?
01:38:38
Channeling is like the sea. You're not supposed to control
01:38:41
it. And she said, I can tell you
01:38:44
now, she said you're a person who doesn't like to give, who
01:38:48
doesn't like to let go of control.
01:38:50
And Elaine kind of Snickers because she's like, yeah, this
01:38:52
is true. She was like, I see it in both
01:38:54
of y'all. She said you don't like to give
01:38:56
up control. And then you over here, you're
01:38:59
trying. What did she say you are trying
01:39:00
to run away from? From the path.
01:39:04
You're on or you're trying to change the path you're on.
01:39:07
And Elaine looks at her like I didn't tell you to analyze, but
01:39:14
yeah, when? When?
01:39:16
They they send weak, they send weak channelers to the tower.
01:39:21
I think it's like 1A year just just to placate them and show
01:39:25
them that yeah, we're we're weak channelers.
01:39:27
Yeah, yeah, because nine, what does Nanny say?
01:39:31
She said they they say that. They say that your women are too
01:39:36
weak in the source. And she was like, yeah, that's
01:39:39
what we want y'all to think. It would be actually very
01:39:42
powerful. I I can tell.
01:39:45
Yeah. And then she tells Neneve and
01:39:48
Elaine she was like, so we, we really don't want your tower to
01:39:50
know this. And they're like, no, we're not
01:39:51
going to tell anyone. But like I said, I feel like
01:39:54
that was something Neneve needed to see.
01:39:56
Yeah, and but the other side of that is I think the cell
01:39:59
mistress thinks their eyes to die and thinks they can't lie.
01:40:04
And so that's why she wanted to make sure and also.
01:40:08
The Sea Folk. You're not supposed to break
01:40:10
your bargain with the Sea Folk. That's.
01:40:11
What you mean? It makes you pay for it.
01:40:14
The sea folk are very interesting.
01:40:16
The Athan Mahir said that right? The Athan Mahir.
01:40:21
Bless you. The Athan Mahir.
01:40:26
The Athan Mahir OK, yes, the. SEA I don't know, this isn't a
01:40:31
spoiler but all the groups do. They have a prophecy as well.
01:40:35
Yeah, OK. Yep, you said something about
01:40:37
all the groups have their own profits.
01:40:39
And there's is the core more they're waiting for the core
01:40:42
more. OK.
01:40:44
He's the one that's going to lead them to glory and to
01:40:47
control all of the Seas but. And they will swear their
01:40:52
allegiance to him for the last battle when he comes.
01:40:56
So is that the same as the Kar Khan or is this maybe a
01:41:02
different person that they're? All the prophecies point to the
01:41:07
same person reborn the core more.
01:41:11
The Kharkar is the person we all need to follow for the last
01:41:16
battle. OK.
01:41:18
Everybody has a prophecy of the one who is going to lead them
01:41:23
into the last battle. OK, so so the reason why I ask
01:41:28
that is because, and I know this is probably like so far fetched,
01:41:32
but again, I've not read the books so I don't know exactly
01:41:35
how the story goes. But I'm one of those people who
01:41:39
like, I like quest and I like stories about chosen ones and
01:41:45
all of that. But I also like stories where
01:41:51
instead of it being one person doing this grand big thing by
01:41:55
themselves, it turns out that they need a core group to do
01:42:04
different things, but they all achieve the same purpose.
01:42:08
So in my mind, I'm just wondering, OK, you have all
01:42:11
these different prophecies and they call them all these
01:42:14
different things. And this person is going to do
01:42:16
this and this person is going to do this.
01:42:18
And obviously all these people can't be in the same place at
01:42:21
the same time doing all these things.
01:42:23
So I'm just like, OK, so is it that Karen is going to be the
01:42:27
one to lead such and such? And then maybe Matt is going to
01:42:30
be the one to lead such? I'm I'm thinking of a I'm
01:42:35
thinking of Voltron. I'm thinking of five parts of
01:42:39
something coming together to create this one powerful being.
01:42:44
And I'll obviously I know they're not going to merge, but
01:42:47
I'm just kind of that that's kind of how I want it to be.
01:42:50
Like I want it to be that. OK, yeah, Rand is the Dragon
01:42:53
Reborn, but he can't be the Dragon Reborn without his
01:42:56
friends. Like that's the reason why I'm
01:42:58
forsaken are trying to turn they're his friends to the dark
01:43:02
because they want him to follow because you know, so that's
01:43:06
that's just. So the.
01:43:07
Kind of thing I like. I have two references for you.
01:43:10
OK. The first is I can't remember
01:43:13
which Terminator movie it was, but remember it was moved where
01:43:17
the Terminator said fine we can't kill John Connor.
01:43:21
So they went back to kill his lieutenants because the
01:43:27
terminate, the Skynet believed if he killed his lieutenants.
01:43:31
I think that was, I can't remember which.
01:43:34
Huh. Was it the?
01:43:36
Maybe it was the third one, but yeah, they sent, they sent
01:43:41
Terminators back to kill his lieutenants because they feel
01:43:45
like if they kill his lieutenants then he won't be
01:43:48
able to win. OK.
01:43:50
OK, and also I mentioned this before about Harry Potter.
01:43:56
The the main person, the chosen 1, still needs the support of
01:44:04
the people around him. He couldn't destroy the last
01:44:08
four crooks. Someone else had to do that.
01:44:12
He couldn't fight the battle by himself.
01:44:15
He needed other people to do that for him, right?
01:44:17
This is very similar to that. OK, but since you brought up
01:44:22
Harry Potter, you know I have to bring up the fact that the
01:44:25
prophecy could have referred to one other person and not.
01:44:30
Necessarily necessary business being on.
01:44:32
That oh OK that could be that could be the case in the wheel
01:44:35
of town like OK yeah Rand is the drag the dragon reborn, but this
01:44:40
person over here is going to be the one that's going to get the
01:44:42
shit done so I'm. Just he he needs the same way
01:44:47
the wheel spin out a with all the tools that he needs to get
01:44:52
his job done. Yeah.
01:44:55
OK. Yeah, yeah, because his battle
01:45:02
is not with the Forsaken, his battle is with the Dark One.
01:45:11
Yeah. Let me say that again.
01:45:13
I. I I know.
01:45:14
His battle is not with the Forsaken.
01:45:17
There there's nothing. His battle, the real battle, is
01:45:22
with the Dark One. OK, let everybody else deal with
01:45:25
all the other stuff. Yeah, yeah.
01:45:27
Let them fight the Forsaken, Let them fight the the Trollix.
01:45:32
He can do that in his sleep. OK.
01:45:34
That's that's not but that's not what he's that's not what his
01:45:38
intention his his job at the last battle is to face the Dark
01:45:43
One. No one else can do that.
01:45:46
Yeah, only the Dragon Reborn can do that.
01:45:48
Only the Dragon Reborn OK. And the core more the it's the
01:45:52
sea folks prophecy. The Jindai prophecy says the
01:45:57
core more will come with the breaking of the world again.
01:46:01
And the Sea Folk must be there to see the world remake.
01:46:06
OK, so OK, there was another question I was about to ask but
01:46:14
Oh no I wasn't. So they arrive in Tan Chico,
01:46:20
they get off the boat and of course, men, you know, she is
01:46:24
introduced to Naive and Elaine and Matt's like OK, so she's
01:46:29
going to go with us and blah blah blah.
01:46:31
She feels like she has a debt to pay and they're like, are we
01:46:34
sure we can trust her? And she was like, look, have
01:46:37
y'all been to Tan Chico? No, guess what I have.
01:46:41
And I said that. I said I bet you man's been to
01:46:43
Tan Chico because man, just hop on a she just hop on a cart and
01:46:47
be everywhere. How you go from fall Dara to
01:46:50
farm or fall down to Tarvalon to farm back to Tarvalon.
01:46:57
Now you intend she go? Yeah, men gets around, she gets
01:47:00
around and even I need was like I met you in fall down.
01:47:05
You're the one who told Rand he was the dragon.
01:47:07
She's like, yeah, so about that. But when they get off the boat
01:47:13
and she's giving them instructions, she was like, OK,
01:47:16
don't do this. Don't look people in the eye.
01:47:19
Don't hold your money out. She's giving them all these
01:47:21
instructions. And they're walking past.
01:47:24
Matt happens to notice something on the side.
01:47:26
And he looks up and there is a man hanging there on the docks.
01:47:33
And I was just like, Matt even look like, OK, we're going to
01:47:39
keep walking. Like he was like, I'm not, I'm
01:47:42
not paying attention to this. I'm not even about to put this
01:47:44
in my mind. OK.
01:47:45
He obviously did something that he deserved it for.
01:47:48
We're going to go this way. I'm not going to pay attention
01:47:50
to this. But I was just like, I don't
01:47:52
like the foreshadowing here. I don't.
01:47:55
Because are you trying to tell me that, Matt, that somebody's
01:47:58
going to try to kill Matt and Tan Chico?
01:48:00
I mean, if it's really as dangerous a place as they're
01:48:05
making it sound. I mean, men say don't look
01:48:08
nobody in the eye. All right, wait a second.
01:48:11
Where are we at? Right.
01:48:12
Like am I supposed to walk like this?
01:48:16
Just follow the feet in front of me and I'll be OK.
01:48:20
Don't flash the money. Don't look nobody in the eye.
01:48:23
Don't talk too loud. Don't talk too loud.
01:48:26
Damn. Like what can I do?
01:48:29
And, and I know she said that. Don't talk too loud, Matt.
01:48:32
This this pertains to you. Keep your mouth shut.
01:48:36
I'll be going around telling everybody you're the horn
01:48:39
blower. Just just be quiet.
01:48:44
Me. No think me no speaking English.
01:48:46
Just don't talk. Don't don't do nothing.
01:48:51
But I was like, OK, well, they're getting a little bit
01:48:53
closer to to Leandro. Oh, but hold on.
01:49:01
I'm trying to think. I don't remember what happened
01:49:02
at the end end of this episode. Was that was that the end them
01:49:06
them arriving in Tan Chico? Oh, no, no, no.
01:49:08
The end was Elaine jumping in everybody's dreams, which we put
01:49:12
on earlier. Yeah, we.
01:49:14
Did the only one we didn't talk about was 90s nineties which?
01:49:20
Yeah. There isn't really been say
01:49:21
about that. Of course she's going to dream
01:49:23
about that. Yeah, but.
01:49:25
And and then we talked a little bit about well, we didn't talk
01:49:29
about someone and. Yeah, that's why that's where I
01:49:32
was about to go. Yeah.
01:49:34
So, OK, so we're going to move from Tan Chico and we're going
01:49:38
to go back to the IEO waste because again, we've we talked
01:49:44
about Rand and E Gwaine and E Gwaine has been working with
01:49:48
Bear and Milan on, you know, going to tell around Riyadh.
01:49:53
We saw her have one attack by landfill once last once landfill
01:49:59
realized she was there, she was like, oh, I'm so glad you're
01:50:02
here. And I was just like, no, don't,
01:50:04
don't be glad she's there. Don't no, let's let's not do
01:50:07
this. So like we said, Moraine asks E
01:50:13
Wayne. She was like, OK, so they've
01:50:16
been teaching you how to go in and out of dreams.
01:50:18
Can you can you take me? I there's a message that I have
01:50:21
to deliver and Wayne is telling her about it being dangerous.
01:50:26
And she was like, OK, so I told you this two years ago or a few
01:50:30
years ago. So now you're telling me she was
01:50:32
like, I understand, but this is important.
01:50:35
And Wayne said, is it worth the risk?
01:50:36
Does it have anything to do with what you learned?
01:50:39
And Rewidian and Lorraine says yes, So she takes her to the Hut
01:50:43
that you know, so one and she kind of share.
01:50:48
And so they have this conversation, and this is
01:50:51
another one where, again, I feel like I'm getting more out of
01:50:57
their interactions now than I did when we first found out they
01:51:01
were together. So she comes in and she tells
01:51:06
someone that she's, you know, been through the the rings at
01:51:10
Ruidian. And that's when Suwan figures
01:51:13
out she's in the IO way. So she was like, you're in the
01:51:15
IO way. So she was like, yeah, so there
01:51:20
are two things. Like there are two things.
01:51:24
If the Tower does not bend the knee to Rand al Thor, he will
01:51:30
lose the last battle. And someone is like, oh, and
01:51:34
then Moraine is like and yeah, that's it.
01:51:37
Like, excuse me, bitch, I can count.
01:51:39
You said two things. That was 1.
01:51:41
What else are you not telling me?
01:51:43
Then she proceeded to distract someone with other stuff so she
01:51:46
wouldn't ask her about. Well, I mean, but it's
01:51:50
conversation they needed to have because of course she's still
01:51:52
upset with someone. And someone was like, what would
01:51:55
you have me do when I was in Kyrie?
01:51:57
And she was like, I had no other choice.
01:51:59
She said. What would you have done?
01:52:00
And Maria was like, what you did probably worse.
01:52:06
I mean, you know, and and that's what's the one like, sits down.
01:52:10
She tells her she was like, you know what?
01:52:12
Oh no, because Moraine says, she says to her, she said you and I
01:52:19
both had a job. My job was to find the Dragon
01:52:23
Reborn. Your job was to get the tower
01:52:26
ready. And you are not prepared.
01:52:30
And obviously someone is hurt by that because DOI is true.
01:52:36
Y'all ain't even thinking about the dragon in that way because
01:52:38
you sitting here trying to figure out who, who the, you
01:52:42
know, Black Asha are. And Lorraine tells her she was
01:52:44
like, look, you don't have any time to to not get this right.
01:52:50
And I was like, oh, that sounds so familiar because someone said
01:52:53
the same thing to her. And Karian, she was like, you
01:52:56
should have, he should have been trained and you should have had
01:52:59
him ready to fight. Lorraine's been a little bit
01:53:02
busy too, but at this point they're having that conversation
01:53:07
and Moraine is like, look, you have to get the tower ready.
01:53:11
You can't afford to make another mistake.
01:53:14
And so I was just like, I just wish we would have taken them.
01:53:17
We taking some horses or I wish we wouldn't have gone into
01:53:21
what's her name's room. Yeah, we could have just taken
01:53:25
some horses and gone. And then she tries to kiss
01:53:28
Moraine. Moraine was like, no, we broke
01:53:31
what we had. This is this is over.
01:53:34
She was like, there's no fixing this in this life.
01:53:37
And this one's like, OK, well, I'll just find you in the next
01:53:40
life or the next or the next or the next until we get it right.
01:53:46
And Lorraine is like, and I'll wait for you in every life.
01:53:49
And then she tells someone she loves her.
01:53:51
But I was like, this is what is Shameel was talking about.
01:53:55
Like I under I understand the concept of loving someone so
01:54:02
much that you're like, oh, I would be with you in every
01:54:05
lifetime, but at the same time, what if there's something better
01:54:12
for you out there in the next life?
01:54:15
You know, what if there are other opportunities?
01:54:17
What if there are other? Like what if you're supposed to
01:54:19
be doing something else, but you just keep wasting?
01:54:22
I won't even say wasting, but you just keep doing the same
01:54:26
thing over and over and over. The the benefit of it is you
01:54:30
don't remember. That's it's Shamel's fault that
01:54:35
he figured out a way to remember his previous slides.
01:54:39
That's on him. Repeat what you just said.
01:54:43
That's on on Ishmael for. Before you said that, you said
01:54:48
the benefit of that is. You don't remember your previous
01:54:52
life. Does that does that apply to
01:54:58
Rand al Thor as well as far as land fear goes?
01:55:03
There are reasons is is different.
01:55:09
If you are the person who went mad and is tainted, there's
01:55:22
there's. I just had to do it.
01:55:24
Well, there's something there's something that's kind of missing
01:55:28
and from the show and from Rand that hopefully it's coming, but
01:55:38
aligning with the books, it should be soon.
01:55:41
OK. It should start happening to
01:55:43
him. OK, it's not yet, but maybe when
01:55:47
he starts chowing more it'll start happening.
01:55:51
OK, Yeah, I just had to mess with you about that because we,
01:55:54
I know we've had can't remember your previous life.
01:55:57
Yeah, Yeah. But, and I think it is, I think
01:56:03
they're suddenly because they do a lot of subtle hinting on the
01:56:07
show. They really do you.
01:56:08
Don't know. If you don't know what to be
01:56:10
looking for, you'll miss it. And there's been a couple of
01:56:15
times when I could tell something was happening to rent,
01:56:21
but they're not really. Yeah, it's not explicit.
01:56:29
And as fast as they're moving with the Gwen with the dream
01:56:31
walking, I thought they would move faster with the other
01:56:34
thing. OK.
01:56:35
And but we'll talk about that later.
01:56:37
OK, when it when it gets to that point.
01:56:40
Yeah. OK, OK.
01:56:44
Yeah, so we got couples fighting, couples kind of sort
01:56:48
of making up. I don't think Moraine and Suwan
01:56:50
are going to be one of those couples.
01:56:52
And then, of course, after after that, this is where we get to a
01:56:57
Wayne dream walking because she's trying to give Moraine and
01:57:00
Swan some privacy as they discuss whatever Moraine comes
01:57:04
to discuss. So we talked about it early.
01:57:07
She sees Paren. Paren is, you know, at his forge
01:57:12
in the Two Rivers. File is with him.
01:57:14
So is Hopper. And he looks happy.
01:57:16
And she looks kind of surprised because she was like, oh, you
01:57:19
went home and found someone like, OK, good for you parent.
01:57:22
We talked about Matt with his mother and his sisters.
01:57:27
She sees she's on the boat and she sees Elaine, and Elaine is
01:57:32
one of the wind finders. She's sitting there and she's.
01:57:36
Yeah, of. Course, Elaine's dreaming about
01:57:38
that. She's dreaming about that, and
01:57:40
then Ivanda shows up in her Maiden of the Spear outfit and
01:57:45
she looks more like Ivanda to me because I was like, it's almost
01:57:49
like they're two different people.
01:57:50
The change from the Maiden of the Spirit of the Under to Wise.
01:57:56
I think also with her being the Wise 1, I don't think she has on
01:58:00
any eye makeup and she she has like a little bit of eyeliner
01:58:05
when she's in the Maiden costumes.
01:58:08
I think that's one of the things that makes her different.
01:58:10
But of course she's dreaming of that and she's happy.
01:58:14
Naive is at the stream in the Two Rivers and she is with her
01:58:21
daughter teaching her how to feel the wind just like she did
01:58:25
with E Gwen. And I was just like y'all keep
01:58:30
tearing my heart out this episode please stop.
01:58:32
Come on, come on, Get to the good one.
01:58:33
Get to the good one. Then we get to the last one.
01:58:38
Rand is on his mountain. Then we didn't talk about him
01:58:41
and land for you having a conversation, right?
01:58:44
Yeah, because she she confessed that she loved him.
01:58:46
So Rand is on the mountain. She sees him, and then all of a
01:58:50
sudden she sees a woman's hand come up to his neck.
01:58:56
And she gets startled and it's Landfair kissing Ran.
01:59:00
And when she turns her head, she's looking directly at a
01:59:04
Gwaine. And a Gwaine has this
01:59:06
recollection of all the times this woman has been in her
01:59:11
dreams, even the times when she thought it was Rena.
01:59:13
Now she's seeing Landfair's face.
01:59:15
It's like now that Landfair has made herself known to her, she
01:59:18
realizes that that's who's been in her dreams the whole time.
01:59:22
She left out a screen and then the fucking episode goes up.
01:59:25
I was like, y'all muff. So you know, it's about to be
01:59:31
some, it's about to be some drama.
01:59:35
Like I think Brandon Iguan are about to break up for real now
01:59:38
because what, you're kissing the bitch that's been trying to kill
01:59:44
me and tell her? She don't know how she's been I.
01:59:48
Know, but I can guarantee you she ain't thinking about that.
01:59:53
She's like, you're first of all, who is this bitch that you're
01:59:57
kissing? Because as far as I know, I'm
01:59:59
the only woman that's been in your life.
02:00:01
Let's start there. First of all, let's not be tapes
02:00:05
in through men's dreams. That well, that too.
02:00:08
That too, like you said, you, you know, you, you're doing this
02:00:12
without permission. So you might see some things
02:00:15
that you don't like is a good thing.
02:00:17
She didn't see them in the in the little the little end.
02:00:21
She does that in the books too. You talk about Matt not having
02:00:25
boundaries and Gwen had no boundaries.
02:00:27
Really. And they?
02:00:28
Told her don't do it, it's very private and personal and she's
02:00:32
like, yeah, no, I got I'm good, you know, E Wayne as as a.
02:00:43
So, you know, I don't even like it when landfill does it.
02:00:46
So the fact that E Wayne is doing that, I'm like, these are
02:00:49
people that you love. Even even the Forsaken sort of
02:00:53
had some decorum about it. Wayne didn't care.
02:00:58
That's bad when you say the Forsaken have manners and she
02:01:01
doesn't. She doesn't.
02:01:03
She didn't. No, she didn't.
02:01:04
She really didn't. She becomes a bitch.
02:01:08
I'm just going to tell you now. She turns to a bitch.
02:01:10
In the books she does. I'm going to be honest, I can
02:01:19
see it, especially after the way she handled Swan and the other
02:01:23
sisters when she went through the arches.
02:01:26
Yeah, I can see it. I can.
02:01:31
OK, I can't believe she did that.
02:01:40
That's just like I said, I understand.
02:01:43
You want to see, you know, you're missing your friends.
02:01:46
You want to see them. You want to make sure they're
02:01:48
OK. And right now, that is the only
02:01:51
way that you can do that. I I get it.
02:01:54
Yeah, I think I remember. I feel like I remember the one
02:01:59
of the first lessons they taught her was dreams are very personal
02:02:04
and private and you really don't want to go into that.
02:02:08
And here's the thing, that shouldn't be something that she
02:02:11
has to be taught. Yeah, because how would she feel
02:02:14
if Ran just walked up? Well, I mean, she probably,
02:02:18
she's probably dreaming about Ran half the time anyway, so she
02:02:21
probably wouldn't care. But still it's like, why would
02:02:24
you do that? You know, don't do that.
02:02:27
It was it was easy for her because she's a dream Walker.
02:02:31
It's easy for them to do. Now I guess my question is, as a
02:02:39
dream Walker, do the other people see her in their dreams?
02:02:47
Not sure. I think there might be.
02:02:51
It might be a conscious choice. OK.
02:02:55
Or I was going to say, can she allow them to see her and
02:02:58
they're just like, if she really she would see her OK.
02:03:02
Sure, because if she need talk to him or give him a message,
02:03:06
yeah. OK.
02:03:10
But if she was sneaking around, trying to gather information,
02:03:14
trying to eavesdrop on people, then no, they wouldn't see her.
02:03:19
And see, that's that's the. Yeah, that sounds so wrong it.
02:03:24
Does I mean I can see how it can be useful like OK, I can go jump
02:03:30
in this dream and see what this bad person is doing.
02:03:32
If I know this person is a black actual, I can do that.
02:03:35
But that that's where your morals come in, because even
02:03:40
though yes, these are bad people, these are people who
02:03:44
probably could be fighting something evil whatever.
02:03:49
If you can't have respect for them in their inside their own
02:03:53
mind, then you don't have respect.
02:03:57
I mean, it's just just because they're bad, that doesn't give
02:04:00
you that, right? Even though I know there are
02:04:03
times where we'll probably be like, oh, they they're bad.
02:04:05
They did this, they did that. I think I don't.
02:04:11
Know, even even if it's not right that Rand is fooling
02:04:14
around to her in her dreams, it's still it doesn't make it
02:04:17
any more right for her to go into his dream and peep in on
02:04:22
him. And just because you can, does
02:04:26
it mean? You should, yeah.
02:04:29
But here's the other thing. Why are you trying to sneak up
02:04:35
and spend time with him in his dreams, but you're not spending
02:04:39
time with him in real life? I'm just saying if I have a
02:04:47
choice between, I mean, I, I guess, you know, a person can
02:04:50
touch, you can touch a person in their dreams or whatever.
02:04:53
So maybe it's not that different in that sense.
02:04:57
But if I have to choose between being in a dream with someone or
02:05:02
being with them in real life and you know, you know that there's
02:05:05
issues, you know, that there's kind of a strain on the
02:05:08
relationship. You know, there's a divide.
02:05:10
And you know, there's something that you might either need to
02:05:14
fix or you need to just kind of get it out there and say, OK,
02:05:19
this is not working anymore. We need to just end this, be be
02:05:23
clean about it. But you want to go visit him in
02:05:26
his dreams. You could you could have walked
02:05:28
back to the tent to visit him. I mean, I, I guess if you're
02:05:31
sitting there waiting for Moraine to get done and tell her
02:05:34
on Riyadh, we don't know what happened with her and Swan after
02:05:37
she actually consented to that kiss.
02:05:39
They could be in there fooling around right now.
02:05:41
And Iguan is just like, OK, how long am I going to have to wait?
02:05:46
She's finding things to do because you don't want to leave
02:05:49
Moraine and tell her on Riyadh by herself.
02:05:52
Right, Right. But.
02:05:55
I'm not sure if they're in turn around Riyad or they're in
02:05:57
Salon's dream. Oh, it's in Salon's dream.
02:06:00
Yeah. But yeah, I don't.
02:06:04
I don't like the way that I don't like the way that's going.
02:06:08
But I bet she was. So effortlessly.
02:06:12
So effortlessly. Yeah, what was it Milan said?
02:06:15
She was like, she she learns too fast and, and Milan seems to
02:06:19
have a problem with how fast Elaine Iguane is picking that up
02:06:24
because she said something about that when she came back after
02:06:27
Landfill tried to kill her in In the dream.
02:06:29
She was like, she learns too fast.
02:06:31
She takes too much on too quick. It was like, wouldn't you want
02:06:35
her to learn fast so she could learn how to defend herself?
02:06:40
No, because then she does stupid shit like.
02:06:42
This like this, Yeah, yeah, so. So I I gave this episode, it's a
02:06:49
solid 8.5 is really an info dump the right position a lot it it
02:06:55
wasn't even like set up. It was just a lot of lore, you
02:06:59
know, a lot of background information and whatnot.
02:07:02
So. Except.
02:07:03
It was still pretty good. Except for the the 2 river
02:07:06
stuff. The 2 river stuff is.
02:07:11
Well, they finally answered the question.
02:07:15
A lot of them answered the question while she was there.
02:07:18
Yeah. She was there, a raising army.
02:07:20
An army. Is he a raising army?
02:07:23
But can we not get shot with arrows first?
02:07:25
Because you can't raise the army if you're dead?
02:07:28
I need you to be a little more mindful.
02:07:29
A lot of when Maxim tells you that you got white clothes down
02:07:33
there, you don't think they're going to sniff out some
02:07:35
channeling? Listen to the man.
02:07:38
Yeah. Oh, saddle with the with the
02:07:41
cloud cover. We had to have some action, but
02:07:43
other than that, this is a it was a decent episode.
02:07:47
And I was tripping about the white clothes because when they
02:07:50
snuck into the camp, one of the white cloaks came out of the
02:07:54
tent and he was very visibly, very drunk.
02:07:59
He's moving around. I'm like, aren't y'all worried
02:08:02
about Trollix? Like aren't y'all there because
02:08:05
Trollix are attacking and you're drunk?
02:08:08
But for for the most part, I think it was sort of maybe a
02:08:11
reference for book reads. For the most part, white cloaks
02:08:14
in the books, I'm not going to say a their joke, but they ain't
02:08:21
the greatest fighters. They're not the greatest army in
02:08:24
the world. They they're sort of, they are
02:08:28
sort of the joke in the book. That guy who they would get.
02:08:32
Serious. A little bit later with
02:08:34
leadership changes, but yeah. That guy who Valder was talking
02:08:40
to, he was like hey do you want to go learn how to how to catch
02:08:44
a real witch or something? When Valda walked off that dude
02:08:48
was looking at him like am I really supposed to do this?
02:08:52
He was looking like I do not want to be here, why am I here?
02:08:56
Yeah, he's a he's a character. He's a character from the book.
02:08:59
Everybody knows. Oh, OK.
02:09:01
I don't think he's going to be important.
02:09:03
Just like, just like that person that they turned into a Gray
02:09:06
man. He was a he was a fairly.
02:09:08
Chai chim do. You want to.
02:09:11
Be a Gray man. Yeah, Yeah.
02:09:15
OK. So this.
02:09:17
Let's see how these things, how these things play out.
02:09:20
Yeah, so this was episode 5. We have three more episodes.
02:09:25
Right now. There is no news of whether or
02:09:30
not it's going to be renewed for Season 4.
02:09:33
Yeah, I think I really. That's worrisome.
02:09:36
I think I read somewhere there's a petition or something.
02:09:41
Could be, but also I think I read an article, actually, there
02:09:45
were a couple of articles this morning talking about how the
02:09:49
ratings have gone up and how the viewership has increased with
02:09:55
season 3. They're like the viewership
02:09:57
numbers are crazy. So there's like why is it not
02:10:01
renewed yet? And I'm like, y'all know these
02:10:03
streaming platforms, they like to play these stupid games.
02:10:08
So I'm just if y'all don't renew the show after this season,
02:10:13
after the way this season is going, this season has been
02:10:16
phenomenal so far. If y'all don't renew this show
02:10:23
after this season I just I I don't know what to say like.
02:10:32
Read the books. I mean, and I'll do that, but
02:10:35
still, I'm a, as I get older, my interest is more visual because
02:10:41
I can't sit and focus for long enough to read a book.
02:10:45
It's just, you know, I'm about to be 50.
02:10:48
You know, as I have on my vintage 1975 show, I'm about to
02:10:52
be 50. I just don't have that kind of
02:10:53
concentration anymore. And these books are thick as
02:10:57
hell. Yeah, they they hear pretty.
02:11:00
So no. I told you the last book is the
02:11:03
last battle, and it's one of the thicker books.
02:11:08
I know that's what that's the one I have sitting on my shelf
02:11:12
right now and I'm like, oh I remember when I used to read a
02:11:15
book like this in like 2 days now we'll see.
02:11:22
I mean everybody talks about how good the books are.
02:11:25
So if I can get into. No, that that was a lie because
02:11:30
books 567 and 8. Yes, you've mentioned that
02:11:33
before. You have mentioned that before.
02:11:36
You have mentioned that. But I mean, if I can, if I won,
02:11:40
if I can get the time, because we know with my schedule time,
02:11:45
what's that extra time? You want time to, you want time
02:11:48
to sit down and read a book for our work too.
02:11:51
What the hell? I don't know.
02:11:54
But if I can find the time and then if I could like get into it
02:11:59
and just kind of focus, then I might do it.
02:12:02
But I want to say I, I've, I've really fallen in love with the
02:12:06
way these actors portray these characters, even the evil ones,
02:12:10
they are so good. So it's kind of like, I want to
02:12:13
see them finish the story out. And I mean, you've got enough
02:12:18
material to go through for several seasons.
02:12:24
Just don't fuck it up. So but yeah, I I hope we get a
02:12:28
season 4 announcement soon. But Anthony, you have any final
02:12:33
thoughts on this episode? Nope.
02:12:36
Wayne, stay out of folks dreams. That's all I'm going to say so.
02:12:41
She's going to turn into Cassandra when in Deadpool.
02:12:47
Oh God, no, that is horrible. And on that note, that is it for
02:12:55
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