#thewheeloftime Lan bonds with Rand during sword training, while Moiraine and Egwene learn a surprising piece of information from the Wise Ones. The truth of Aviendha's search for the Car'a'carn is revealed. Rand learns a little history about the Clan Chiefs and the trials of Rhuidean. After being challenged by the Shaido, Rand and Moiraine both enter the City of Rhuidian. As Rand's trial show him the paths of his ancestors, Moiraine's trial shows her countless possibilities of the future - all with various deadly outcomes. The truth of the history of the Aiel is learned. Moiraine finds a powerful object. Rand is marked by his trial.
Side Note: This will be Michael's last episode for the next few weeks as he recovers from surgery. Please send him good vibes so that his hiatus will be quick!
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Mike, and we are discussing season 3, episode
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4 of The Wheel of Time. In other words, the episode that
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turned Anthony's thoughts about the show around.
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Correct. Yes, episode is a 12 out of 10
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is really good. It's just like in a book.
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It is a major, major turning point in the story of Randall
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Thor. Yeah, yeah.
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I I I can tell because I've watched this episode 3 times.
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I watched it the first time when it came out and then I watched
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it two times today and I realized like the first time
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that I watched it, I think a lot of it, a lot of the symbolism
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and a lot of the the dots that were to connect.
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I think it kind of went over my head because there was so much
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information in this episode. And then the second time I
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watched it today, I was like, oh wait, I started picking up on
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stuff. And then the third time I
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watched it, I took 7 pages of notes because I wanted to make
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sure I didn't make a mistake about anything or that we
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skipped any of the important bits.
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Because like I said, there is a lot, a lot of information in
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this episode. And I think I picked up on a
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couple of things that you may have kind of touched on in the
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last couple of episodes, Anthony.
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And I was like, oh, wait a minute, I'm making these
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connections now. So we'll, we'll see how how much
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my paying attention is is paying off.
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But like, like like one of our listeners said, it's very hard
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to not just tell y'all everything.
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You really? Just keep saying put a pin in
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it. Just like he's like he like he
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told you, just keep put a pin in.
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Sometimes that might be too much too I.
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Know, but before we go on with this episode, Mike, since she
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missed our discussion about episode 3, I just want to
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quickly get your thoughts on that episode and and see how you
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felt about it. OK.
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Gabriel's a little bitch. I knew his ass was fucking was
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fucking dark. Friend, that little that
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motherfucker. No, he's a Forsaken.
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That's worse. Yeah, he.
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Is forsaken forsaken. Yeah, I'm like him, spider girl
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and whoever the whoever the weak ass one the the weak ass of the
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motherfucker. I was like just God damn.
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Like again, like I've said since the first episode, you can't
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trust nobody in this bitch. No.
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I you can't even everyone I see, I'm like, yeah, they're, they're
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shifty. All of them are shady.
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And shout out to my boy Matt for having a good episode.
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Fucking red, red to die, Red red to die trying to keep the black
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woman down. I'm about sick of all y'all
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motherfuckers. Red.
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Osh red Osh red. Osh tried to try to keep a black
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woman down. Like what the fuck is that
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about? I'm like, I knew that.
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What's her name? The The Queen's Red eye.
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Red Asia. Eliza.
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Eliza. I knew she was, I was like,
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she's, I'm like, God damn, she's gonna be a big fucking problem.
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Like, I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
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Anthony said. She's worse than me, Andrew.
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Yeah, I can tell. I have no doubt that she
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probably is. Yeah.
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And with with her and her and men, I'm like, so now, now, now
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men's like a triple, quadruple agent.
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I'm like, what? Like what the hell.
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Like. Men doesn't even know whose size
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she's. On does it because because
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everybody's pulling her one way or the other, trying to get her
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to tell on everybody. It's like she's going to know
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everything but not know who to tell because everybody's trying
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to get her to do get all the information.
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So it's like, fuck, man, yeah, I'm still worried, worried about
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my dog pairing, but I think I'm hoping he's going to pull
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through even since he wasn't in this episode.
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I got I got a shout out my dog. Yeah.
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And it's Gloria Safro. I'm not going to encourage.
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You I'm going to make you entertain it because he's not
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that's the only time I get to say it because he's not really
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in this episode. So I.
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Was going to say Anthony, you might need to take a sip of that
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old fashioned twice. He's mentioned it twice now, OK.
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Yeah, that was a great, that was a great episode.
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I'm sorry I missed it with you guys, but yeah, that was a good
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one. That's OK, so you're here now
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and this seems like the episode to be talked about.
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So let's get into it because the episode focuses a lot on random
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Moraine and their their trials and ruining.
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But before we get there, let's visit with the other stuff.
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The first part of the episode let me see that was Land and
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Rand training again. And you just get like a little
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bit of a little bit more of I think bonding because they start
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out training and I guess Rand seems a little distracted to
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Land and he's like, what are you thinking about?
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Rand's like nothing. He's like, well, it's kind of
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hard to think of nothing. And Lance says, well, yeah,
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that's how my father taught me when I was learning to use the
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bow. And this is I think what you,
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what you've talked about a couple of times, Anthony, about
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the way that men and women learn differently.
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It's kind of similar to the way that Tam taught Rand how to
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shoot a bow. You know, just basically picture
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this fat flame and focus all of all of your thoughts and energy
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into that. And that's what he was kind of
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explaining to to land. And that's when Land is like,
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oh, he was a blade master. Yeah, because that's how the
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blade masters mostly trained to clear their mind of
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distractions. Is feeding it all into the flame
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the same thing? Yeah, that's a way to focus.
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But I just wanted to say again. So we we've now had is it
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back-to-back episodes of of him training.
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This is something that we got, I think in the second book, there
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was a lot of land training ran how to use a sword and
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essentially become a blade master because they all knew he
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needed to learn how to do it, you know, how to fight with the
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sword. So it was, again, it was really
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cool to see it. And, you know, even in the book,
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there were a lot of moments where Land is sort of like a
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father figure to him in the absence of Tam.
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But as, as the show progresses, you know, we'll, we'll see Land
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kind of move away from that role.
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OK OK I have a question and I don't know if it's really
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spoilery or not but I just wanted to ask, Will Rand and Tam
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ever see each other again as far as you know?
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I don't know as far as the show goes.
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OK, OK, I just, I just wondered about that, 'cause we have heard
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his name mentioned a couple of times in the last couple
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episodes, but you know, with Rand kind of moving so far away
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from where the two rivers are, I was just kind of wondering like,
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OK, is, is that a relationship that's going to be like
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completely, I don't want to say severed, but you know, one that
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he will not get to explore further or that we as viewers
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won't get to explore further. It's like he's moving closer and
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closer to finding about his his blood parentage and everything
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about that. So it's just kind of seems like
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they're they're pulling him away from who he was in the two
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Rivers. And so I was just curious about
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that. OK.
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So as you mentioned, so as you mentioned, you know, it, it
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becomes important for Rand to learn the way of the sword.
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Except Avienda does not think so.
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Avienda has a huge problem with Brand having the sword, as we've
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seen in several episodes prior to this one.
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And then this one, I think it kind of comes to a head because
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when he and land are coming back to the camp and, you know, she
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kind of stops and she's like, what if I told you about using
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the sword? You're not supposed to have a
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sword. He was like, look, I, I'll
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don't, I, I'll don't use swords. You keep saying I'm not I, I'll.
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So which one is it? And then?
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That is a great, that is a great moment.
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It is like. Make up your mind it.
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Is because it's like, at first it seemed like Rand was trying
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to I guess, kind of placate Avienda when he first met her
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because you know, of, I guess of the situation, like, OK, here I
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am someone who's technically I ill, but not I ill.
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And I'm supposed to be the the savior or the destroyer of your
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people and all this other stuff. And I think he was trying not to
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rock the boat. But then after a while, I guess
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he's like, you know what? You even gonna like me?
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You don't at this point, I'm just gonna do what I need to do
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because I don't know what to expect.
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So you either gonna like me or you're not gonna like me, but
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I'm gonna do what I need to do to keep myself safe.
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And it's I, I, I like that he's doing that.
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But also I be in the she makes a compelling argument, you know,
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just in how she acts towards them because she turns around to
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land and she was like, oh, this means you too.
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Nobody is. Nobody is to carry swords this
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close to the city in the clouds. And at first I was sitting there
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like what in the? World that was.
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That was later. No, that was that was this.
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Was it? OK, when she when she basically
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she challenged him, she was like, no one is to carry a sword
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this close to the city near the clouds or the city in the clouds
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and land just kind of looks at her and they're eyeing each
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other and then all of the eye yield around they start like cat
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calling, like you guys going instigating.
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You're talking about later? I thought we were still talking
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about the opening scene. No, 'cause well, I mean, the
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opening scene wasn't really. But but but I got you.
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I got I'm. I'm now I'm.
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There, yeah, the the opening scene, we had that one little
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moment, but it wasn't really a lot story wise with that.
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I think it was just a moment to show that they were still
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bonding, they were still training.
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OK, but this scene is the interesting scene because like I
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said, LAN is looking at her and then he he holds his sword and
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his scabbard out. He pulls the sword out.
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She was like to a dance. And then I was like, oh, this is
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about to be interesting because they're both very skilled and
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they start to spar. And this is so funny because
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Land actually laughs. I don't think I've ever seen
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Land laugh on this show. OK, before you continue, I'm
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just going to let you know that I am a land stand we've.
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Already discussed. This he's laughing because he
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can take her at any point in time, but he's going to
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entertain her because she obviously got a tip on her
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shoulder. She been itching at this,
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chomping at the bit to show how much better she is.
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And he's like, yeah, I'll, I'll play.
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Right. And that's exactly how it came
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across. He was like, oh, do you want to
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play? Yeah, let's play.
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Come. On I love when he like disarmed
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her one of her Spears. Then he he got it.
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He started handling it the handling it better than her.
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He was like, here, you want it back.
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She was like. I was tripping because I didn't
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even see him grab it until he turned around with it and gave.
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I was like, wait, what did that? That was a fun sparring session.
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Yeah, I'm not discounting her skills.
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She's very skilled. We understand this and that.
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Understand he's on a different level.
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We understand, I think you've mentioned this several times
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before, that land is considered like the best fighter in in out
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of all these people. Yes, he is.
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Out of all of them. So yeah, we get it.
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And it looked like he was holding back with her.
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Like, OK, yeah, I'm just playing.
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I'm playing. But then I think he also got a
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little bit more serious as it went on because he saw what a
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skilled fighter she was. And he was like, oh, OK, let me
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not play with her. Like, I feel like he probably
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would have felt like, oh, this is being real disrespectful for
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me to be, you know, holding back from somebody like that.
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She probably would have felt disrespected if she realized he
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was holding back. Yeah.
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Probably so just consider herself a skilled warrior.
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And, and it would be, I guess, dishonorable for him to hold
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back when she was being very serious about it, so.
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Yeah, like I said, she's a very skilled warrior, which makes
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what happens afterwards even more heartbreaking for her.
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Yeah, because Bear and the women, they come out of the tent
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and they're like, this is enough.
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It's time for you, You know, it's time for you to basically
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do your duty. And she was like, I'm a maiden
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of the spirit. I don't want to be a wise one.
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And everybody stopped, like even more like Moran E Gwen ran, they
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all stopped. And it's like they were all
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looking, I guess in a way horrified because we see what
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the example of the wise women are here with Bear and Milan.
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And to think of Avienda not being able to fight and having
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to kind of travel with these women and kind of be, I don't
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want to say, I was going to use the word demure, but I don't
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want to say demure. But it's very obvious that they
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are not physical warriors. And to think of Avianna having
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to fulfill this role, it's, it's so it's so strange to me because
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I can't imagine her as anything other than what she is.
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Explains why she was on the road like away from them.
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Like she was probably just running away.
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She's like the long way. If I if I stay here y'all gonna
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try to make me do this so far? Oh yeah, no, that that Barrett
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specifically said that she was like, you were called to your
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you, you were called and instead you went across the spine to go
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look for the caracar. Like that kind of I think put
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some other things into perspective too, because if you
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remember, she was with Bang and Chiat and one other person and
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that one other person got killed while they were out.
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So it's almost like she had kind of a role in that person's death
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because she was somewhere she wasn't supposed to be, you know,
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And that's probably why they beat her the way that they beat
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her, because that was part her fault.
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And, you know, to think that this is something that could
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have been avoided if she had just sat there.
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But but if she had stayed, she would have never gone across the
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spine. She would have never ended up
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where she ended up, you know, and I forgot what the name of
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the town was where parent found her.
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She would never ended up in farms.
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She would have never seen ran. She would have never brought him
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over. And things would probably be so
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different for them now. If the the will weave says the
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will will. I know and I that's, that's one,
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that's one of the things that you just kind of think about.
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It's like Anthony and I in the last episode, we were talking
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about that because I said it's, it's interesting because it's
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almost like we can't hold anybody accountable because the
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wheel is always, you know, influencing what a person can or
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cannot do. Or, you know, there's kind of no
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concept of free will in this because everything is destiny.
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Everything is the wheel. Everything is the pattern.
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But this, I think, is one of those things where you can kind
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of see that there might be a divergent because if she's
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called to be a wise one, but then she flees that calling, she
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ends up doing all of these other things that ends up bringing ran
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to the aisle waste. And then, you know, if you think
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about the conversation that Bear and Melaine have in the tent
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with Moraine and Gwen, why do they have so many rhyming names
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on this? But when they have the
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conversation with them, you know Moraine once again asked them.
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She was like, how did you know we were coming?
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And the response they said was that wise, wise one see many
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paths and what is happening or beginning is more easily seen
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than what will happen or may. So it's kind of like them being
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a seer but not white. It's kind of like instead of
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that, whatever it is that they see is definite.
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It's just kind of like, OK, this is a possibility of.
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Of what? Well, it's it's related to what
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the wise ones go through when we talk about when they go through
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the circles in Rubidian. Rubidian because they see all
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the possibilities of the future, Yeah.
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So it's easier to see what's happening right now.
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But because you've seen thousands and thousands and
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thousands of possibilities, it's not so easy to see which path
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this is the right. Path, yeah.
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So it's not like they're, they're not, they're not seers.
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They just have an idea of what it's supposed to happen or what
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might happen or what could happen.
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And they have to be wise and trying to figure out how to make
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things work out the way they're supposed.
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Yeah, but just like they said, they said they didn't see Gwen
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coming at all. No.
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And they said that Rand coming to the IO waste was there was
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only like a slight chance that that would happen.
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But what they did say was that if Rand didn't come to the IO
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waste, they would have all died. If Moraine had not come, they
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would have all died. And then if Land had not come,
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they would have all died. And I'm like, OK, so the only
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reason why they are even there, Well, I wanted to say the only
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reason, part of the reason that they are there is because
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Avienda went off track and made her way to that side of the
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world. After they went to her and was
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like OK, it's time for you take your wise ones test.
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She's like deuces right? She was.
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Like what we're not going to do? Which which that is, that could
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have been because since the wise ones, they are together, they
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can compare. They're not really supposed to,
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but they can kind of compare notes about what they've seen.
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Yeah, what is what is his name? Ruark said the same thing to
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Rand. He said that we're not supposed
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to talk about the city except to those who have been to the city.
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So they're not whatever they experiencing Ruidian, they're
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not supposed to discuss that with anyone who has not also
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been to Ruidian, right? Yeah, what they've seen is not
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always for what you've seen for you is fine, but do not speak of
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what they did say to you. So, you know, you can take that
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either way. But if the wise ones can
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compare, no. Second, Blackwell, in some of
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the futures I saw, I've end up had a hand in bringing the card
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con here. And if the card con comes, then
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it's possible Marine comes, and if Marine comes, she's going to
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bring land. So you can extrapolate from
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that. If Rand does not come there,
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they're all going to die. Period.
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Yeah, yeah. But they, they were very
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specific with the people who they did mention.
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If Randy didn't come, Y'all would have died.
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If Marine didn't come, Y'all would have died.
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If Land didn't come, y'all would have died.
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So think about it. If if Marine and Land had not
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made-up, if she had not restored that bond and Land just wasn't
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with them, they probably would have all died.
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So there. Are way too many people here
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that can see the future? But they're not seeing the
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future. They're they're, they're just
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seeing the they've. Seen possibility.
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They've seen the possibilities when they became wise ones.
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OK, there are way too many people that can see
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possibilities and predict shit. They.
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Had they have seen possibilities?
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Because I didn't want us to confuse actual seers with people
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who just seen alternate futures. Yeah, no, that's why I was
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saying they're similar, but it's it's not the same thing because
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the fears I think are more exact.
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Well, see or see something is going to happen.
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The wise ones see possibilities. Yeah, the the assets are huge
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difference. Yeah.
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I don't blame my Vienna. I wouldn't want that shit
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either. I'm like that.
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That shit is just like aggravating.
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Is it Whether, when I can, I could just be a Maiden of Maiden
00:22:05
of the Spear and just stab people?
00:22:07
And be like, right? Yeah, but I got, I got to see
00:22:09
all this shit and decipher it. Like fuck that shit I got.
00:22:12
Well, it's like, it's like bear saying bear was like, you know,
00:22:17
I was a maiden of the spear and I was like you and I broke my
00:22:20
Spears. Yeah, same thing.
00:22:22
Yeah, she said. I refused the call at first
00:22:25
because she was like, I thought I was, you know, I was like you.
00:22:28
I thought I was a woman. I was, I was strong and I was,
00:22:31
you know, I wasn't meant for this, which is so strange
00:22:36
because I was like, yeah, OK, I, I think I can see it, but I
00:22:41
just, I can't imagine Ivy into not picking up a spear again.
00:22:45
It's just so strange to think that.
00:22:47
At least Bear actually can commiserate with her and know
00:22:51
where she's going. No, no.
00:22:52
Why? She did what she did.
00:22:54
It's like she she tolerated it, but she she was like, you know,
00:22:57
I've been through it, but you know, you got to do what you got
00:22:59
to do. I'm sorry.
00:23:00
Yeah. Yeah, and remember, the IU are
00:23:05
held together by their sense of duty.
00:23:07
Yeah. And if she's told that that is
00:23:10
her duty, then she's going to do it whether she wants to or not.
00:23:15
Yeah, yeah. Similar to bringing Ran to the
00:23:18
IO waste as the possible car, car because she didn't want to
00:23:21
do that either, but that's what is required of her, you know,
00:23:26
from her people. So she was like, OK, I'm doing
00:23:28
it. That doesn't mean I have to, I
00:23:29
have to like it, but I'm doing. But she wasn't.
00:23:32
But she wasn't tasked with doing it.
00:23:34
She just went and did it on her own.
00:23:36
Yeah, yeah, I get it. But the other interesting thing
00:23:41
that is said in the tent to more rain when all of this is, you
00:23:45
know, being brought to her, they're like, yeah, OK, if Rand
00:23:48
didn't come, y'all would have died.
00:23:49
If you didn't come, y'all would have died.
00:23:51
If land didn't come, y'all would have died.
00:23:53
And then Milan starts to say if you do not go to Ruidia and then
00:23:59
bear bears like like you ain't supposed to tell that part.
00:24:04
And Moraine is looking like. It's like we've said too much
00:24:07
already, right? Look, babe, so based on Bale's
00:24:10
basic theory, Anthony isn't like I can't tell you.
00:24:15
First of all, I have not been as manipulative as the wise ones
00:24:19
because trust me, they are a manipulative group of women and
00:24:24
trust me, they knew exactly what they were doing.
00:24:27
I was just about to ask, does it seem like they did that on
00:24:31
purpose? Like Milan, let that little part
00:24:33
slip on purpose. The wise ones are not that
00:24:38
careless with information. Or Bane.
00:24:42
It's like Bane, bane litter, say just enough that she's like,
00:24:44
that's it right there. Right, right.
00:24:47
Speak, speak, speak. Go ahead.
00:24:50
But then she's with with this bear teller.
00:24:52
She says it is possible for women to see some ways the
00:24:55
future may be woven and ruidian. So I guess that was her way of
00:25:00
telling Moraine. OK, so if you do go, which we're
00:25:03
not saying you're going because we've already said too much, but
00:25:07
if you happen to go, then you may see what the future holds.
00:25:13
You may see the different possibilities that the future
00:25:16
holds. But that's only if you go, which
00:25:18
we're not saying you should go because we shouldn't have told
00:25:20
you that. You would think that Moraine
00:25:23
being the acid, I would be able to see through that and being
00:25:26
able to tell you stuff without actually telling you stuff.
00:25:30
Right. Let me tell you, Moraine was so
00:25:32
funny because at the beginning when Wayne is asking them about
00:25:36
the servants and they, they answer her and Moraine was like,
00:25:42
so you're quick to give us answers to questions we don't
00:25:44
care to, to know the answers. It's like, oh, is that not the
00:25:49
pot calling the kettle black? Right, right.
00:25:53
I was like, how dare you, Moraine.
00:25:56
But it was interesting enough for me to pull out this book,
00:26:00
this real time book, because I wanted to know what that
00:26:04
particular term was. Because when Bear or when Milan
00:26:09
explained it, the way she worded it, it didn't come as clear to
00:26:15
me because I was still kind of confused.
00:26:18
So I looked it up and it was the guy, Sean.
00:26:20
And of course I don't have my glasses with me.
00:26:23
Oh yes, I do. And it was the guy Sean.
00:26:26
And so I looked it up and it says the name means pledged to
00:26:31
peace and battle in the old tongue and is used to refer to
00:26:34
those IEO taken prisoner by other IEO during a raid of
00:26:38
battle. These prisoners are required by
00:26:41
a jeto. Is that I guess that's the to
00:26:46
serve their captor for one year and a day, touching no weapon
00:26:51
and doing no violence in that time.
00:26:53
They must complete this service humbly and obediently, with no
00:26:56
complaint or thought of escape. They wear white robes to clearly
00:27:00
distinguish them from other IEO during their service.
00:27:03
Even if they are somehow returned to their own people,
00:27:06
that period of service must be completed.
00:27:09
And this is from the world of Robin Jordan's The Wheel of
00:27:12
Time. It's kind of like a big
00:27:13
encyclopedia about the Wheel of Time that I got last year.
00:27:19
And so it was just interesting because I think it Gwen, at
00:27:25
first, when she looked at them, she thought they were service.
00:27:27
And of course, having gone through what she recently gone
00:27:31
through, she that was probably kind of triggering for her.
00:27:35
And then they, when they explained that they were like,
00:27:37
Oh yeah, no, the I think it has to do with the honor system.
00:27:41
Like they said, the lowest honor is given to people who actually
00:27:46
kill in battle. And the highest honor is to
00:27:50
those who engage with an enemy, but they don't cause harm or or
00:27:56
death. If you are fighting or I'm
00:27:58
sorry, if you're engaged in the dance of Spears and you're
00:28:03
touched by the person you're dancing with, then you are going
00:28:07
to be a guy. Sean, OK.
00:28:09
Because they didn't harm you. They didn't hurt you in any way,
00:28:11
but they got to you and they showed you honor by not killing
00:28:18
you, and so therefore you owe honor to them.
00:28:22
OK, Yeah. For duty.
00:28:25
Yeah, so, but yeah, Maraine Maraine's little response to
00:28:31
that, she was like, you are real quick to answer questions that
00:28:33
we don't really care for the answers.
00:28:37
And they were like, OK, So what do you want to know the answers
00:28:40
to? I said I and then that's what
00:28:41
she tells her. Oh, how did you know we were
00:28:43
coming? And they go into that whole,
00:28:46
that whole particular conversation.
00:28:50
And later on, Marina ran, they have a conversation.
00:28:55
And it's interesting because Brand, I think has gotten to the
00:29:00
point where now he's starting, like you said, with IVND, he's
00:29:04
starting to challenge things more.
00:29:06
And I thought it was very, I don't know if I want to call it
00:29:11
strange or kind of again, the cop, the the pot calling the
00:29:16
kettle black because Moraine is like, OK, you and this arrogance
00:29:21
is not going to work. And I'm like, Moraine, he's
00:29:24
taking a few cues from you because she has been acting
00:29:28
arrogant literally since we met her.
00:29:31
But they have a conversation because she realizes he's
00:29:36
planning to go through Ruidian the next day.
00:29:39
And she was like, you know, the wise ones say that the people
00:29:43
who have gone before, they sit on the slopes for weeks before
00:29:45
they go. He was like, I know I need to
00:29:48
go. And that's when she was like,
00:29:49
this arrogance is gonna. He was like, no, I know I have
00:29:52
to do this. Like, why put it off?
00:29:55
I got it. I got to get it done.
00:29:57
And because he doesn't really know what is going to take place
00:30:02
there, I guess that he figured now is as good a time as Annie.
00:30:06
Because I can't really prepare for something when I don't know
00:30:09
what to expect. And they can't.
00:30:10
They can't even tell him anyway. Can't tell.
00:30:13
Him. No, because what did he say?
00:30:15
He We only talk about Rowidian to those who have been through
00:30:18
it, so they wouldn't be able to tell Rand anything anyway.
00:30:23
But he challenges Lorraine. He was like, look, I need you to
00:30:28
tell me in plain speak that you are not going to do anything to
00:30:33
stop me that you are not, you know, going to try to do
00:30:36
something that's more for the towers benefit or your benefit.
00:30:43
You know, I just need, I just need to know you're not going to
00:30:45
stop me. I need you and I need you to say
00:30:47
it plain so I know that you mean it.
00:30:50
In other words, don't be talking in your riddles, Moraine like
00:30:54
you do to skirt around what you really need to say.
00:30:57
So she was very clear with him. She was like, I will not hinder
00:31:01
you from fulfilling your destiny.
00:31:03
I have lived my whole life towards this goal.
00:31:07
But I also will not sit here and watch you put your head on the
00:31:11
chopping block. She was like, I'm not going to
00:31:12
promise to stand by and do that because, you know, Rand was
00:31:17
trying to tell her. He was like, you've never tried
00:31:19
to help me. She was like, that's all I've
00:31:20
ever done. And I guess if you're looking at
00:31:23
it from the outside, like, like, we can look at it.
00:31:27
We can see where, yeah, everything that she has done
00:31:29
literally has been to try to get Rand to where he needs to be.
00:31:33
It may not have looked like it because there were some things
00:31:36
that she had to do that was kind of not on the up and up.
00:31:41
But I think, I mean, looking at her history, looking at what she
00:31:46
gave up to spend 20 years looking for him, yeah, I I think
00:31:53
Moraine is probably one of his best allies at this point
00:31:58
because she's going to make sure that he fulfills his destiny.
00:32:01
That's that's all she, that's all she's ever wanted to do.
00:32:06
And she's not lying, all she's done is protect him and even
00:32:10
even trying to get him to go the tear to get the sword is for his
00:32:14
protection as well. So now some of the things that
00:32:18
she's done to protect him may have been a little bit shady,
00:32:22
but that was always because it was involving other people.
00:32:27
Like I don't think she really wanted to hurt egg Wayne and
00:32:30
parent and Matt or whatever. I don't think she meant she
00:32:33
wanted to hurt them on purpose. But just like she told man right
00:32:38
before they got to farm, she was like, I will let 1000 people die
00:32:45
in order for him to become the dragon.
00:32:47
That's what it means to support him.
00:32:49
Do you understand this is the level of commitment I have and?
00:32:53
That's why landfill say, well, I like that part of you, right?
00:32:57
Because I mean, and fortunately, I guess it does have its appeal
00:33:02
if you're on that side where you're like, OK, yes, he needs
00:33:05
to become the Dragon Reborn for whatever your purposes are.
00:33:10
Or landfills, I guess. But anyway, I guess we can go to
00:33:18
Ruidian now 'cause that's a lot. When I say this episode felt so
00:33:24
long, there was so much going on.
00:33:28
First of all, when they get up there to Veridian to to the kind
00:33:32
of the outskirts of that city, and that was definitely a city.
00:33:37
City in the clouds. Oh my gosh, that thing is is
00:33:40
huge. But when they get there, the
00:33:44
shadow are there, the shadow IE. And I don't know if she the the
00:33:51
woman we saw Savannah, is she their their leader?
00:33:56
She was. She's a wise woman.
00:33:58
Oh, OK, she's a wise one as well.
00:34:00
OK, I can tell because, you know, her headpiece and stuff
00:34:04
was so elaborate. I was like, what?
00:34:06
Is she like a leader? A queen?
00:34:08
Or is she just extra? In the book in the book, she's
00:34:12
known for wearing necklaces. Oh, OK.
00:34:17
Tons. Like she would just be covered
00:34:20
with necklaces. Oh, OK.
00:34:22
And yeah, yeah. And basically just that.
00:34:29
OK oh, just oh, OK OK. So they had to kind of, they had
00:34:33
to kind of change that around for the show.
00:34:34
Yeah. OK OK All right.
00:34:37
But yeah. So anyway, so, so she's there
00:34:40
and apparently her husband has died and she has taken his son
00:34:48
as her new husband and he has gone through Rowidian and that
00:34:55
exchange there was the interesting one because there's
00:35:01
a guy there named Culloden who is, I guess, I guess.
00:35:06
That. I guess that's Savannah's other.
00:35:11
I guess that's like her other stepson.
00:35:14
Yeah, now, now I guess, brother-in-law.
00:35:18
That son slash brother-in-law. Yeah, but he is he is very
00:35:23
offended about the fact that that our dad brought Rand and
00:35:27
Lorraine and all the quote UN quote wetlanders to Ruidian.
00:35:32
And there's a conversation that they had because at that point,
00:35:35
that's when Rand asked for permission to go through Ruidian
00:35:39
from Bear and Mullane and cooler than is like he's not even I
00:35:44
yield. What did he say?
00:35:47
He said it would mean his death if he if he walks through
00:35:53
Ruidian. And Ran says, my mother was I
00:35:57
ill? And Bear turns around and she
00:36:00
looks at him. She says, your father, yes, but
00:36:02
your mother? And then she's cut off before
00:36:05
she can finish. And I was like, wait, I missed
00:36:10
that the first time I watched this.
00:36:11
But then after having the conversations over the last two
00:36:14
episodes, I was like, wait a minute.
00:36:17
I'm about to ask Anthony to possibly spoil something.
00:36:22
So Rand's mother was not I'll. No.
00:36:28
OK so going further back a couple episodes, is it possible
00:36:34
that his mother is the missing daughter air from as he takes
00:36:41
his old fashioned? Because all this time they've
00:36:47
literally been making it seem like Rand's mother was IO,
00:36:52
because, I mean, she was fighting in the IO war.
00:36:55
She does have the red hair. So.
00:36:59
And then of course, we know that Rand is IO.
00:37:01
They said that very plainly so. Elaine has red hair.
00:37:06
She does. Interestingly.
00:37:09
Enough so red hair is not exclusive to the IO.
00:37:12
Right. But I, I, I like the way that
00:37:16
they've always kind of pushed that narrative in the show just
00:37:22
to make it seem like, oh, OK, well, yes, it was his mother,
00:37:25
his mother, his mother. And then all of a sudden in this
00:37:29
season, you start seeing, I guess not necessarily holes
00:37:33
because for me, it wasn't glaringly obvious when we talked
00:37:39
about Andorra and, you know, mortgages, coronation and the
00:37:43
missing daughter here. There's nothing that would have
00:37:47
led me to think that that was Rand's mother because at that
00:37:51
point we had no other indication that Rand's mother was anything
00:37:55
other than I ill. Nothing had been said.
00:37:59
So now with this one little bitty statement that Bear said,
00:38:02
again, like you said, they don't say anything without reason.
00:38:11
You know what I'm saying? I don't think that she, I don't
00:38:14
think that was an accidental slip.
00:38:16
Nope. Why you You know what?
00:38:19
Why are you hiding your face? Anthony, I'm I'm not hiding my
00:38:22
face. I'm not.
00:38:30
Oh, yeah, I I thought that that was very interesting because
00:38:33
Randy. Very interesting indeed.
00:38:36
Yes. He didn't even have a chance to
00:38:37
like, really react to that, to that, you know?
00:38:41
Yeah, 'cause that was news to him.
00:38:42
Wait, what? Right, because he's he even he's
00:38:46
thought all this time that his mother was.
00:38:48
I ill now answer this question because I can't remember.
00:38:53
You mean try answer this question?
00:38:55
Well, yes, try to answer this question from first season
00:38:57
'cause I know that Rand found out about his mother being I ill
00:39:02
and it's possible that Tam may have thought that she was I
00:39:04
I'll. I mean, why would he?
00:39:06
Why would he think she wasn't? She was there fighting the IEO
00:39:09
war, you know. But does did they ever say
00:39:16
specifically that Tam was not his father?
00:39:19
Like does Ran have have any reason to think that Tam wasn't
00:39:23
his father up until this point 'cause I don't think I don't
00:39:26
remember them discussing that. I'm not sure that that would
00:39:31
require rewatch of season 1, and I'm not doing that, but I don't,
00:39:37
I don't remember. I don't remember ever it ever
00:39:39
explicitly being said. Yeah, OK.
00:39:44
And I couldn't. I can't remember.
00:39:45
I can't remember. OK, because it because I feel
00:39:49
like if if Rand knew that Tam was not his father, then I feel
00:39:56
like his whole thing about being I I'll would probably be a bit
00:40:01
more. I don't know he he would expect.
00:40:06
I want to say a little bit more. I want to say he's thought, I
00:40:09
want to say maybe this in the show, he did think that Tam was
00:40:14
his father. OK, OK, And just maybe it was
00:40:18
the story of because I know that Tam had a wife who died and
00:40:22
that's who Ran thought was his mother.
00:40:25
And then when the truth came out and he was told that his mother
00:40:28
was I ill, you know, it's just kind of one of those things
00:40:31
where, oh, you know, this is what happened.
00:40:34
Your mother was AI ill woman. She died.
00:40:37
And you know, your mom raised you.
00:40:40
But I don't think nothing was ever said about Tam.
00:40:44
But then this also makes me wonder.
00:40:46
So if Tam was there and we know Tam is not I ill was that does
00:40:50
that mean that he was there fighting for Carian for a king?
00:40:55
What is name King Lemon Soldiers?
00:40:57
King Lemon. Yeah.
00:40:59
Yeah, remember in the flashback he was there fighting.
00:41:03
Yeah, but back then we didn't know who he was fighting and
00:41:06
what they were fighting for. Yeah.
00:41:08
OK, OK. Yeah, I just wonder cause like.
00:41:12
This, not this, not really spoiling.
00:41:13
He was, he was, yeah, 'cause he was a blade master and he was
00:41:18
one of the captains. Yeah, OK.
00:41:23
Yeah. Because even in this episode,
00:41:25
Rand, when he's talking to Len, he tells him he was like, you
00:41:28
know, I don't know much about my father.
00:41:31
I know that he was a soldier way before I was born.
00:41:35
But, you know, I think Tam intentionally left out all of
00:41:40
the information as far as who he was, who he fought for, because
00:41:44
Rand didn't even know he had a sword until the trolley came
00:41:46
into the cabin. So, you know, there's a lot
00:41:51
about him that that Ran doesn't know.
00:41:53
Any Yeah, Pam, Tim took that baby and went all the way back
00:41:56
to the Two Rivers. Yeah, where he could blend in
00:42:00
because as soon as he got out of the Two Rivers, damn, you look
00:42:03
like an IU everywhere he went, man.
00:42:07
You look like IU. What is IO, man, doing this far
00:42:09
South? Yeah, yeah, 'cause he had never
00:42:11
left the Two Rivers. Yeah.
00:42:15
And he was there as a baby, so no one around there.
00:42:20
Yeah, and they wouldn't have thought it because I mean, he's
00:42:23
been here as a baby. Like, why would we think that
00:42:25
He's IU So and especially if Tam had a it if if his wife was
00:42:30
still alive back then, you know, he could have come home with his
00:42:34
baby kind of like, you know, in a sense, kind of like it's Ned
00:42:40
Stark, you know, hey, here's this baby.
00:42:43
The mom is dead. I didn't want to leave the baby
00:42:46
abandoned. And the wife was probably like,
00:42:48
OK, yes, we can. We can take it in.
00:42:50
We can take care of it. And nobody would have thought
00:42:54
anything else, you know, but that's that could also be a
00:42:57
reason why Tam and Rand stayed in the mountains instead of
00:43:00
staying there in the in the village with everybody else.
00:43:03
Just to kind of keep now on the questions, like, yeah, we come
00:43:06
down and we, you know, congregate with everybody.
00:43:10
So at least that way people can say, Oh yeah, I've known him
00:43:13
since he was a baby. If the question ever came
00:43:15
around, you know, like, oh, who is this guy?
00:43:18
He doesn't belong here. They're like, no, he's been here
00:43:20
since we've known him since he was a baby.
00:43:23
And technically speaking, I mean, he was a newborn.
00:43:26
So they literally have known him since birth.
00:43:29
So it will be a a good way to keep him safe from everyone else
00:43:33
or safe from anyone that would have been looking for him.
00:43:37
But it just it does open a lot more questions now.
00:43:40
And of course, brand is probably well up until he went through a
00:43:43
wedding and he probably would have had questions because once
00:43:46
Bear said that was like, yeah, your your father was I ill?
00:43:49
But your mother, he was like, wait, hold up, what Tam was I
00:43:54
ill? And then you get through wedding
00:43:55
and you're like, oh, wait, you know.
00:43:59
But yeah. So anyway, so after they make
00:44:05
this this little day. He he got he got what did he
00:44:09
say? He said he asked their leave and
00:44:12
included It was like he presents himself like a woman and bear's
00:44:16
like first of all, he's. Like, do you want to be a wise
00:44:22
woman? Let's.
00:44:22
Just want to be a wise. Skirt and I.
00:44:25
Didn't try to train you. But one thing I will say about
00:44:29
that conversation, and not just that conversation, but also kind
00:44:33
of like the conversations that Avienda has been having with Ran
00:44:37
and stuff about, oh, this is what we do, this is what we
00:44:40
don't do, and this is how you're supposed to do this.
00:44:45
Do y'all? Like, I wouldn't expect everyone
00:44:49
who comes here to know our way of life to know how we react in
00:44:55
certain situations, especially if you've never heard of
00:45:00
American culture, you know what I'm saying?
00:45:02
And I've just find it so irritating that these people
00:45:06
automatically assume that these people from way across the world
00:45:10
are supposed to know their customs, are supposed to know
00:45:13
what they do. Like, how is Rand supposed to
00:45:16
know that they don't carry swords in the IO ways?
00:45:19
Like you already know he's not been raised here, he doesn't
00:45:24
know anything about the IO culture culture he has said so.
00:45:26
So why would you expect him to know and understand that y'all
00:45:30
don't carry swords? Yeah, yeah.
00:45:31
How would anyone from the West know?
00:45:33
Because y'all kill anyone that come there that's from the West.
00:45:36
That's that's not the Tuatha 1. You, you kill me.
00:45:41
So how? How would anyone suppose?
00:45:45
How is anyone supposed to know your culture and the fact that
00:45:49
y'all kill people who come in and y'all came down for no
00:45:53
seemingly no apparent reason and started a war and then left for
00:45:58
no apparent reason? Right, right.
00:46:02
That just irritated me so much because they're like, oh, look
00:46:04
at him. He's presenting himself as like
00:46:07
a woman. How is he supposed to know?
00:46:08
He's only ever seen that done once, and that was when I'll be
00:46:11
in the asked for permission to go to Ruidian.
00:46:13
How is he supposed to know? Like y'all keep telling him OK,
00:46:16
you're the car car and you're supposed to go through the
00:46:18
trials of Ruidian. No one is even telling him what
00:46:21
that is. They won't even explain to him
00:46:24
what Ruidian is up until that point when they go and he gets
00:46:29
to see it in all its glory. I like Bear Sass.
00:46:33
She is I love. Her.
00:46:35
I love her. First of all bro, you want to
00:46:38
dress? And she was like, And if you
00:46:41
don't keep your mouth shut while the wise ones are talking, I was
00:46:48
like, oh, then. She's sending packing.
00:46:50
Oh, then she's sending packing. OK all y'all need all y'all me
00:46:53
need to leave. No, no, no no no.
00:46:54
Before she did that, when he got ready.
00:46:58
When Ran asked for Lee to go to Ruidian and Bear and Milan
00:47:02
agreed, Culloden tried to lunge at Ran and tried to attack him.
00:47:10
I had the dagger and was getting ready to go after him, but Bear
00:47:16
channeled and stopped him. Yeah, I wanted to ask, I thought
00:47:21
it looked like Rark channeled. I was like hold.
00:47:23
Up. I thought that too, but no, it
00:47:24
was coming from Bear. But I was just like, wait a
00:47:29
minute, she can channel 'cause even Moran was looking at her
00:47:32
like, oh. Interesting.
00:47:37
Ruach. Ruach pulled one of the mini
00:47:39
knives he has hidden. No, we're not going to talk
00:47:43
about him and his mini knives. We're going to talk about
00:47:45
Miraine and hers. Miraine had, like you said.
00:47:48
Like 12 knives like in crevices like yo hold up.
00:47:52
Like you said, they sent the others packing.
00:47:54
They told she told Ruach to go, she told LAN to go, and then she
00:48:00
told the Gwaine to go back. And the Gwen was like, I'm going
00:48:03
with him. And she said, no, if you ask for
00:48:06
leave, we will. We will tell you no.
00:48:09
It is time for you to learn what you are and it's time for him to
00:48:13
learn what he is. Your paths do not align.
00:48:17
And I was just like, OK, how many Times Now?
00:48:23
And we're in, we're in three seasons.
00:48:24
We're halfway through the third season.
00:48:26
How many times does it seem like Elaine, Gwaine and Rand want to
00:48:32
be together, want to stay together, but their paths keep
00:48:35
diverging and I feel like they are really not paying attention
00:48:39
to it because they love each other so much and they want to
00:48:42
be together. But it's like, obviously the
00:48:44
will is telling y'all. Y'all need?
00:48:48
To go Anthony, turn the camera off again.
00:48:52
You don't have to do that every time you want to, you know, make
00:48:55
your face look funny. Anthony, we get it.
00:48:58
We get it. You're not going to tell us
00:48:59
anything. You can.
00:49:01
We can just just let us see your pretty face to know that we are
00:49:04
kind of sort of on the right path.
00:49:06
Yeah. It doesn't have to be spoiler
00:49:08
all the time. Well it it is another turning of
00:49:11
the wheel, so who knows what can happen.
00:49:13
Yeah, but I mean she very clearly tells her your paths do
00:49:16
not align. And and yet, of course they're
00:49:20
going to ignore this and still try to be together.
00:49:23
But I'm like, the wheel is trying like, like, how much
00:49:27
clearer can they be? It's like the wheels just going
00:49:29
to come one day and just like it's going to be a wheel that
00:49:32
rolls in between them and stops and be like, no, like how what
00:49:39
else do you all need to hear? Like are.
00:49:41
Y'all supposed to be together? Like shit.
00:49:44
I know, but then after they send everyone else away, Moraine
00:49:50
asked to go to Ruidian and. And Bear looked at her again and
00:49:54
it's like, you should not have been told.
00:49:57
She was like, does it matter if I had been told her?
00:49:59
Like, I'm asking you, can I go now?
00:50:01
And they're like, well, you've already been told.
00:50:04
We got to give you permission. Yes, you can go.
00:50:07
But then, then they also say, yeah, you, you, you ask.
00:50:10
Even when we don't say anything. The future they've seen you.
00:50:14
You. You always ask anyway.
00:50:16
So you always ask so, so yeah. So they step to the to the
00:50:22
slopes where they getting ready to go in and they're told that
00:50:25
they cannot take any weapons into Ruidian.
00:50:28
So Rand, he puts down his spear or his sword.
00:50:33
Moraine starts taking knives out of everywhere.
00:50:37
And it reminded me of. I don't know if you guys have
00:50:40
seen The Mortal Instrument City of Bones, but there is a scene
00:50:43
in that movie where Jason Clary are about to go into an
00:50:47
apartment and she tells him she was like, no, you got to leave
00:50:50
all your weapons at the door. And he literally does the same
00:50:53
thing. He's pulling swords out from
00:50:55
everywhere. He's pulling out knives and
00:50:57
this, that and other. That's what that thing reminded
00:50:59
me of, because Moraine was pulling knives out of everywhere
00:51:03
and like everybody's just looking at her, like, because I
00:51:07
wouldn't have thought that she had all that stuff on her.
00:51:10
Just because she a blue don't mean she she can't fight.
00:51:13
Oh, believe me, I I understand. But it was just so funny because
00:51:16
I'm expecting. OK, yeah, you might have one
00:51:18
knife, you might have two knives.
00:51:20
She probably pulled out like 8. Didn't didn't do something
00:51:25
similar in Shadow and Bone. Yes, yes, yes, she did.
00:51:30
She did. But but we would expect that
00:51:32
from her. I mean, the race, you kind of
00:51:35
expect it from her because that's what she does.
00:51:37
She's a fighter, Moraine. It was just it was so strange
00:51:41
because you're so used to seeing her, especially in the last
00:51:44
couple of episodes, because she has not looked like an eyes to
00:51:48
die. She has not looked her usual
00:51:50
regal, you know, dressed up self.
00:51:54
So the fact that she had all this stuff hiding and she took
00:51:57
off her belt, which I guess was a weapon to I was like but damn.
00:52:00
All right. But I mean, nice to see that
00:52:03
she's so prepared, especially considering they have been on
00:52:06
the run from Forsaken for the last few however long.
00:52:10
So you know, OK, I get it. But then they make their
00:52:17
approach to Ruidian, and this is where things get very, very
00:52:23
interesting. Now, we'll ask this before we go
00:52:26
into what happens once they get inside the walls.
00:52:30
Anthony, what was it specifically about this episode
00:52:32
that made you say, OK, you know what?
00:52:35
Y'all can do whatever y'all want to do.
00:52:36
It doesn't have to be book. Whatever I I'm in, I'm all in.
00:52:41
Because they seem to have for once, it felt like they really
00:52:47
took into account stuff from the book, Like they really seem to,
00:52:53
to take care to try to translate it, to try to make it work.
00:52:58
It's sort of what you will want from an adaptation.
00:53:01
I guess you, you kind of get those in the books.
00:53:05
The it's 2 chapters for Ran going to Ruinian, his, his
00:53:12
visions or journey. And there's no way you can adapt
00:53:16
that in in the coherent way that wouldn't take a whole season.
00:53:23
OK. So I think they, because of it,
00:53:26
seemed like someone finally took care in the material.
00:53:30
OK. And translated it very well.
00:53:33
OK, So if they keep doing it this way, the the show's going
00:53:37
to be it's, it's, it's really going to be on the uptake.
00:53:40
It's going to be really, really popular, OK.
00:53:43
I think right now it's #1 in most countries on Amazon Prime.
00:53:47
I I saw that, yeah. And I've seen a lot of very
00:53:52
positive reviews or, you know, comments online about this
00:53:58
season. It just in general, you know,
00:54:01
because even though we're we're recording episode 4 now, the
00:54:04
show is actually up to episode 7 at this point.
00:54:08
And just, you know, trying to avoid spoilers from the other
00:54:12
episodes and stuff like that. I was like, OK, people seem to
00:54:16
really be enjoying this season and.
00:54:21
Yeah, but but seeing the journey that he goes through, we're
00:54:26
going to talk about it. But seeing that is and and you
00:54:30
know, I was going to deem them on Rowenian because that's not
00:54:34
how it's described in the book. I mean, it's really almost not
00:54:39
like a city. It's really more like a
00:54:41
repository. Oh, OK.
00:54:44
And it's shaped like a wheel with 7 spokes, and they're very
00:54:50
small paths to get to the center, which is where Rand and
00:54:56
where they needed to go. OK.
00:54:58
And what they found, what they saw as they were walking down
00:55:02
the path, are Sangreal and Tangreal everywhere.
00:55:06
OK. Like pals and pals of them is
00:55:10
basically what the city was made of.
00:55:12
Oh, OK, OK. But yeah, it's it's very
00:55:17
different than this one because we only see the once Angriol
00:55:21
that Moraine ends up finding and that's the one that's that's
00:55:25
continuously referenced throughout both of their visions
00:55:30
that they're having. The Sarkanin.
00:55:32
Yeah, the Sarkanin. But OK, let's, let's talk about
00:55:39
this trip into Louidian and the reveals that we learn in the
00:55:48
midst of all of that, 'cause there's a lot.
00:55:50
There is a lot. First things first, when they
00:55:54
first come to the city and they look up and Moraine says
00:55:56
something about this doesn't look like I'll work.
00:55:59
There are two big statues, like very, very, very, very, very
00:56:07
tall statues. Probably I, I don't know how
00:56:09
many feet high up they are, but they are at the entrance way of
00:56:17
what looks to be some kind of city.
00:56:19
Like you say, Anthony, it does look circular when you look at
00:56:22
it from the outside, but you can't really tell anything
00:56:25
because it's covered in this fog.
00:56:28
And so you don't know how like how how high up it goes or
00:56:32
anything like that. You can just see kind of a few
00:56:34
structures in the middle of it that kind of stick out.
00:56:38
But you really don't have an idea of the the height or the
00:56:42
depth of this place because of the fog.
00:56:46
And that's, you know, one of the things that Moraine talks about
00:56:49
when she comes in because she was like, OK, so the statues
00:56:52
don't look like ideal work. And then also this fog that we
00:56:57
see, she said. I keep thinking, I see threads
00:57:00
of the one power in it, but then they disappear.
00:57:04
So then they approach this huge, huge tree in the middle called
00:57:11
the tree of life. Aventisora and Moraine talks
00:57:18
about how, you know, we we knew the IL had it, we just didn't
00:57:23
know where. And she says it's about 3000
00:57:27
years old. And she says we had a sapling of
00:57:32
it where I grew up, the IEO gave it to Kyrie in hundreds of years
00:57:37
ago as a repayment for some type of debt even older.
00:57:43
And then Rand is like, I don't see a tree like this in Kyrie
00:57:45
in. And then Moraine says no, you
00:57:51
wouldn't, because when my uncle Layman became king, he cut it
00:57:57
down to make his throne because he wanted a throne that could
00:58:04
not be copied. This motherfucker.
00:58:10
And even before that, OK, little bit of arrogance, OK, fine.
00:58:15
But then she says that is why the Ideal came across the spine,
00:58:25
because him breaking down or him cutting down the tree means that
00:58:32
he broke the oath to protect the tree and the pledge of peace
00:58:37
that is symbolized, she said this is basically what started
00:58:42
the ideal war. They were supposed to keep that
00:58:47
tree. They were supposed to, I guess,
00:58:49
be peaceful. And because he took it down for
00:58:51
selfish purposes, they went after him, they chased them all
00:58:56
the way to Dragon Mount, and that's where they killed him.
00:58:59
And of course, we know that's where Rand was born.
00:59:04
And he was like, oh, so is this why I'm the one that fulfills
00:59:07
the prophecy of the Dragon Reborn?
00:59:09
Like what you mean we we've been connected this whole time?
00:59:13
We were connected even before birth.
00:59:15
The wheel weaves as the wheel wheels.
00:59:19
I wonder who gave, who gave, who gave laymen the idea to tear
00:59:26
that tree down and build a throng.
00:59:30
Was he all of a sudden, he just all of a sudden decided to do
00:59:32
that, You know, just crazy. Just to, just, to be, just to be
00:59:37
unique like. No, but then that that kind of
00:59:42
gives you an understanding of why Moraine's sister talked with
00:59:50
talked about him with such disdain, because not only were
00:59:54
they just a great house, their uncle was the king, they were
01:00:00
royalty more rain was royalty and for what?
01:00:08
A a unique looking throne. Where is that throne now?
01:00:11
That's the question. Where is that throne now?
01:00:15
Obviously that they didn't pay attention to anybody, any
01:00:18
characters in Game of Thrones when you talking about sitting
01:00:21
in a unique throne and what could happen to you.
01:00:24
Listen, I'm just saying when she said that the way that Rand
01:00:29
looked at her, he was like, so This is why my mother was in
01:00:37
drag him out because of your uncle doing some stupid shit.
01:00:42
And you got to imagine that at at that point, there is probably
01:00:47
a little bit of bitterness with him because he could have been
01:00:50
thinking, OK, if your uncle hadn't have done this dumb shit,
01:00:53
my mother wouldn't have had to go to war.
01:00:55
We could, she could have been with her people.
01:00:58
I would have been born with my people.
01:00:59
I would have, I mean, you know. You, I mean, you can, you can,
01:01:02
you can think that, but again, I know.
01:01:07
I know. That boy was going to be born.
01:01:10
He was going to be born on that mountain, one way or another.
01:01:13
Yeah, but I'm saying if we're, if we're not thinking about
01:01:17
destiny and, you know, some type of mythical whatever kind of
01:01:22
manipulating life events, there is probably a part of him that's
01:01:26
thinking, OK, you know what, I could have grown up with my
01:01:28
family. Not, you know, not to discount
01:01:32
anything that he went through with Tam, you know, and the
01:01:35
family that he had there and the friends, but still there's a
01:01:38
small part of him that's probably like shit.
01:01:45
Then he tells Maureen he was like, you shouldn't have come in
01:01:47
here, like I don't want to be around you.
01:01:51
But then that's when their their pets kind of divulge what Bane
01:01:56
tells them before they go in. They tell Moraine.
01:02:00
They said Moraine, you will step through and see, see some rings
01:02:06
and you will step through them and see your future again and
01:02:09
again and variation. And you will know without a
01:02:12
doubt some things that must be for you and some that must not.
01:02:17
And what they tell Rand is that you will walk through glass
01:02:19
columns, retracing the footsteps of your blood ancestors.
01:02:24
Each step forward will be a step backward in time dozens of years
01:02:28
or hundreds of years or maybe more.
01:02:32
And they said to lead is to know where you came from, to
01:02:36
understand the blood in your veins.
01:02:38
Now I get all that I was not expecting, and I was not.
01:02:44
I don't think I was prepared for the depth of how far back his
01:02:52
his vision. I don't even want to know if I
01:02:54
want to call it visions, but his recollections of the past and
01:02:58
seeing, you know, his ancestors, how far back it will go and the
01:03:02
depth and the meaning of it. And not only that, every single
01:03:07
version of the person in his past, Joshua Stradowski, Rand
01:03:12
was playing those parts. He played each one of those.
01:03:16
And I mean, he was so good in this episode because they made
01:03:24
him, especially with some of the some of the characters he
01:03:29
played, he looked so completely different.
01:03:31
They had like a lot of prosthetics on him and his his
01:03:35
voice was different. Like I said, his accent changed
01:03:37
with different ones. But it's like there's something
01:03:40
about his voice, like the bass line and his voice when he
01:03:43
opened his mouth for the first one, like that is Rand, but that
01:03:47
looks nothing like him. And then I went to look it up
01:03:50
and I was like, Oh my God, that is him.
01:03:52
He was phenomenal in this episode.
01:03:54
And I think, Anthony, I think you and I may have mentioned
01:03:57
this in the last episode, he is so good, so good.
01:04:03
Yeah, it's like good. I, I had, I literally had no
01:04:06
idea the first time when you saw him, when you saw him as man
01:04:09
Mandan. You see him as Jandwin from.
01:04:13
Jandwin, yeah. Yeah.
01:04:16
George Jandwin, yeah. I was like, OK, is that then
01:04:21
it's like when I looked at the X-ray, I was like, it is that
01:04:25
Randall? I was like, oh, so Jandwin is
01:04:29
that is Rand. Is that Rand's actual father?
01:04:32
That's his actual father, OK? I'm gonna have questions going
01:04:36
through this, so that's fine. Oh yeah, so.
01:04:39
Questions are questions are fine.
01:04:40
Yeah, questions are fine. That's how we're gonna find out
01:04:43
all this information the. Answer is not so much.
01:04:46
Yeah, we don't want to get Anthony drunk trying to trying
01:04:49
to avoid spoilers. Don't you have to work tomorrow?
01:04:53
Don't even. Mention it.
01:04:54
This is. This is a mocktail.
01:04:56
This is not real. Oh, OK, OK, whatever.
01:05:02
Anyway, so the so the first footstep that Rand takes through
01:05:06
the glass columns, we see images of the battle on Dragon Mount
01:05:09
and he is a warrior called. I think that's Janduin.
01:05:12
I don't have my. Glasses.
01:05:13
Yeah, Janduin. OK, Janduin, which is an IO
01:05:17
warrior, he's kind of, you know, he's looking at himself like,
01:05:21
how did I get here? And then one of the other
01:05:23
soldiers says, Janduin, you know, what's wrong with you
01:05:26
fight. So they start fighting some of
01:05:28
the soldiers. And then we learned that those
01:05:30
are King layman soldiers. And Jan was like, OK, they
01:05:35
shouldn't be this far up the mountain.
01:05:38
And someone else calls for him and says, hey, we found her.
01:05:41
And when he comes around, he sees that it's Rand's mother,
01:05:45
who I don't think we ever learned her name.
01:05:46
We just know she's Rand's mother.
01:05:48
But he sees her and he kind of bends down.
01:05:51
At this point, she's already dead.
01:05:53
And he's, you know, just talking to her.
01:05:55
And he was like, hey, everything is going to be OK.
01:05:57
He was like, we found the oath breaker.
01:05:58
We found the king. And I, I was the one that put my
01:06:01
spirit through him and. Hold on, hold on.
01:06:04
I have one nitpick 1 nitpick. OK?
01:06:08
He doesn't have his veil on. The IO do not kill unless their
01:06:13
veil is up. They don't.
01:06:14
They he wasn't killing at that .0 you talking about when
01:06:17
they're doing the fighting. He never, he never pulled it up.
01:06:21
And that that is, that is a don't tell.
01:06:23
OK. But just wanted to say that that
01:06:26
I did. I didn't know, they said.
01:06:27
And I had a problem with it because we knew who he was.
01:06:30
He could have put the veil up and started fighting but I guess
01:06:34
they forgot and. Or.
01:06:36
They could have been. I was going to say, or they
01:06:38
could have been doing that from Rand's point of view.
01:06:40
Rand does not necessarily like he may know that they put their
01:06:44
veil up, but he you know, this being him stepping into someone
01:06:48
else's shoes. The ego giving them too much
01:06:51
credit again. I'm just.
01:06:53
OK, I just wanted to point that out for the, for the book
01:06:56
readers who listen to the show. I, I did notice that and I do
01:06:59
have a problem with you, but we can move on.
01:07:01
So he finds his wife and no baby then.
01:07:07
He's. Visibly, visibly upset.
01:07:11
Right. And then that's when he yells,
01:07:14
right? And then we see him kind of
01:07:16
revert back to Rand and Rand is yelling and then he stops and he
01:07:19
looks and his hands are full of blood.
01:07:21
He was like my mother and my father.
01:07:24
And again, I think this is the first realization that Rand had
01:07:29
that his father was anyone other than Tam Outdoor.
01:07:33
But of course, he can't sit there and and take that in
01:07:37
because you still have to go through this trial.
01:07:39
You have to go through this, these columns.
01:07:43
Oh, and the other thing we forgot to mention, Savannah had
01:07:47
mentioned that her new husband had already gone through Ruidian
01:07:52
and she was like, he went into Ruidian and he is there still.
01:07:56
Rand actually sees him when he steps into Ruidian.
01:08:01
So her husband hadn't gotten very far, depending on how long
01:08:05
it had been since they, you know, since he had gone through,
01:08:08
he hadn't gotten very far. But the second one that ran
01:08:12
comes through as it's another IO warrior, someone named Mandian.
01:08:20
And this was before Ruidian was covered in fog.
01:08:23
As a matter of fact, Ruidian gets covered in fog while he's
01:08:27
standing on the outskirts of it talking to his wife.
01:08:31
And they mentioned the name Latrice Sadai, said Latrice
01:08:35
Sadai has called you and the other leaders.
01:08:38
And you know, she's basically making, I don't know if I want
01:08:42
to call it a, a demand, but she's saying you and the leaders
01:08:46
who come, you have to come and you have to follow every
01:08:50
instruction I give. And basically when they get
01:08:54
inside there she is there. She's the older, later, oldest
01:08:56
eyes to die. And she's pulling something out
01:08:59
of the middle of the tree. Evan the Sora and it's a white
01:09:04
sphere. And I'm, you know, even before
01:09:06
we knew what it was, I was guessing.
01:09:08
OK, that must be the sangria that has been mentioned before,
01:09:12
the one that only women can use. So Latrice and I is speaking to
01:09:18
the people who have shown up. It was man, Mandian and a few
01:09:23
other people and the chiefs. The Chiefs and one of the things
01:09:29
that she said to them, she said the last people who are truly I
01:09:32
ill are all dead. I was like, what does that mean,
01:09:36
'cause they're I ill as well, right?
01:09:40
But I think that gets explained a little bit later on in advance
01:09:44
visions. But that was kind of confusing
01:09:46
to me at first. And so she asked them a
01:09:50
question. She said you are, you are I ill.
01:09:52
Do you know why you don't carry swords and Mandy and says
01:09:57
because it is forbidden. She was like, yeah, but do you
01:09:59
know why it is forbidden? She said there's much you know,
01:10:02
but there's much you don't know. And she's basically telling them
01:10:07
that whoever goes through I, I guess at that time, it was a
01:10:14
trial. Who, Whoever, Whoever want,
01:10:17
Whoever is going to lead? Whoever.
01:10:19
Is going. To lead, the wise ones must come
01:10:22
true with you. Yeah, and this is I'm, I'm
01:10:25
assuming this is the first trial of ruined in what, what they're
01:10:29
showing us right here. And because one of the other
01:10:32
guys says I'll leave. And she was like, no, you have
01:10:38
to go through and walk, you know, retrace the footsteps of
01:10:43
your ancestors to see why we call you oath Breakers.
01:10:47
And it's so funny because when she said Oath Breakers, they all
01:10:50
turned and looked at her like, no, the hell you didn't.
01:10:53
I was like, oh, so calling IE oath Breakers is kind of the
01:10:58
equivalent of calling the other people dark friends.
01:11:00
Like they don't like that at all.
01:11:02
And she's like, yeah, well, you need to understand why we call
01:11:04
you Oath Breakers. And so Mandy, and is the one he
01:11:07
was like, I'll go through because I'm not afraid of my
01:11:10
past. I know that we're we're not oath
01:11:12
Breakers. Yeah, but, but, but before that,
01:11:15
you know, she was like, because 11 of you that comes out will be
01:11:18
the Chief of chiefs. He's like, well, I'll do it.
01:11:20
She was like, no, no, no, no, no.
01:11:22
That person's going to come later.
01:11:24
Yeah, the person who's going to lead all IEO.
01:11:27
Later, Yeah, he's he's going to be of the blood, but not raised
01:11:31
by the blood. Yep.
01:11:34
But she also tells them she was like, yeah, the one who's going
01:11:37
to lead the OR the be the Chiefs and the Wise ones are the ones
01:11:41
who going to go through these trials and they're going to see
01:11:45
what they need to see. As far as why we call you Oath
01:11:48
Breakers, learn about your ancestors and and their past and
01:11:53
you have to accept what you see. Yeah, because those who cannot
01:11:58
accept it, yeah. Those who can't learn won't
01:12:03
lead. And that you know, that's.
01:12:05
Basically, won't live. Did she say live or leave?
01:12:09
She said live. Oh, OK.
01:12:10
Those who cannot learn won't live.
01:12:12
Oh, OK, OK, yes, OK. So so Mandy and gets ready to go
01:12:18
through the columns and then, you know, we come back to Rand
01:12:22
and then we see him go into another version of himself.
01:12:26
And again, it's so strange to me that we've seen all of these
01:12:29
different versions of himself because some of them look
01:12:33
nothing like him and then some of them look like him, which is
01:12:38
this third one, Lewin, which is a member of the what we now know
01:12:44
as the Tuathuan. But we learn in this particular
01:12:47
vision, the Tuathuan and the IEO were the same at one point.
01:12:55
And Lewin is this teenage guy. He's there with his two friends
01:13:00
who reminded me of Matt and Perrin, probably on purpose.
01:13:04
But you know, he talks about he's he's literally sitting
01:13:10
there caressing a sapling of Avandasaura, and it has the the
01:13:15
Angriol in the middle of it. And he's talking about how
01:13:18
important it is. And he's like, you know, old man
01:13:20
Adan is talking about we're going to build the city in the
01:13:23
desert, and that's where we're going to plant the tree and
01:13:25
blah, blah, blah. And, you know, his friends are
01:13:27
teasing him. And then he sees his mother, who
01:13:30
looks distressed, and she tells him, yeah, your sister was
01:13:33
abducted by some bandits. They were taken.
01:13:37
And also the other guy, Elijah, his his sister, I guess, was
01:13:43
also. Yeah.
01:13:45
And so they're questioning them like, So what are we going to
01:13:49
do? Can't we go get them back?
01:13:50
And then old man Adan comes over and he was like, no, stop
01:13:53
talking like that. And they're like, well, what are
01:13:56
we going to do? And he says, we bury our dead
01:13:58
and we move on. And I was just like, oh, here we
01:14:01
go with this bullshit again. Here we go with this.
01:14:05
So he, he kind of sends the the teens away and they walk away
01:14:11
and Elijah's like they're still alive.
01:14:14
They didn't say they, they killed them.
01:14:15
They said they took them. That means they're still alive.
01:14:18
We got to go get them. We can't just leave them there
01:14:21
with, you know, with the bandits.
01:14:23
So they make a plan to go and rescue the 2 girls and this shit
01:14:30
goes so bad so quickly. Completely sideways.
01:14:36
Completely sideways, because first of all, you go in and you
01:14:39
sneak in. You find out where the girls are
01:14:41
sleeping. You go over to wake the girls up
01:14:45
so you can take them. First of all, you're whispering
01:14:48
way too loud. You could have just kind of
01:14:51
nudged her and been like. Then she responds a little bit
01:14:57
loudly, like, no, you can't be here.
01:15:01
So one of the bandits wakes up, gets ready to come start
01:15:04
attacking, and then like all hell breaks out.
01:15:08
Elijah starts fighting one of them.
01:15:11
Charlene starts fighting one of them.
01:15:13
One of the bandits comes towards Lewin.
01:15:16
He gets ready to fight them, and his sister's Stanley telling him
01:15:20
no, you can't do this, don't do this.
01:15:21
Lewin, stop. Lewin, stop.
01:15:23
He's gonna rescue you. Lewin, stop.
01:15:27
Lewin, stop. This guy comes after him and
01:15:29
Lewin sees the spear. He swipes it up across this
01:15:34
man's face and I did not catch this till the third time I
01:15:36
watched it. He took the whole face off.
01:15:42
I was like what the hell? Yeah, I was like, oh, shit face.
01:15:51
Off man, I didn't. I don't know how I missed it the
01:15:54
first two times, but it's like the second time I watched I was
01:15:57
like, wait, something weird just happened and it just kind of
01:16:00
went so fast that I didn't pay attention to it.
01:16:03
The third time I actually paused it right when he hit the ground.
01:16:06
I was like, oh, he looks like the Crypt keeper.
01:16:13
That's the crypt keeper. Yeah, the grip keeper, he looked
01:16:17
just like him with the face, with the face off.
01:16:19
And then, you know, the faces down there on the ground, just
01:16:22
kind of loose skin or whatever. But in the midst of all this,
01:16:27
they realized that Charlie has been stabbed and he dies right
01:16:31
there. So they take Charlie.
01:16:35
I'm saying my dog, you know what do my past dog like that, like
01:16:39
this? This stuff.
01:16:42
Terrible man. Any little parent was descended
01:16:45
from that you messed up. It kind of remind me of enough
01:16:50
for real for real but. You know, 'cause though, 'cause
01:16:54
the wheel wheels, like obviously there's a symmetry in the wheel
01:16:57
where there's like some people that who for whoever is here,
01:17:02
there's their ancestors. Like, you know, I mean, this is
01:17:06
because I think didn't they say like either in the first or
01:17:10
second episode, there's something about the wheel
01:17:13
turning and like, especially with the Dragon Reborn, like it,
01:17:16
it replays it like the way the dragon War Dragon is replays
01:17:20
itself like over and over again. That's kind of why Ishmael
01:17:24
wanted to. He wants.
01:17:25
To destroy the wheel. Destroy it because he's tired of
01:17:28
doing the same thing over and over and over again.
01:17:30
Yeah, so, so of course Rand's going to have.
01:17:33
Rand's going to have his Matt, Matt and parent in each of each
01:17:36
of his iterations, even though like, you know, this mat is like
01:17:40
high as a fucking kite, like leaning against a tree after he
01:17:44
smoked trees is like bro, like, but I mean, yeah, so it's like,
01:17:49
that's so this like actually made sense to me 'cause that's
01:17:51
actually, it finally clicked on, clicked in my head when I was
01:17:55
thinking about, I was like, oh, that's right.
01:17:56
Because everything is going, they're going to have Simpson
01:17:59
symmetry in each iteration. So I was like, alright, cool.
01:18:03
Well, even though you you're kind of right, but like these
01:18:10
aren't versions of Rand. These are his ancestors.
01:18:15
So it's more like maybe more like the symmetry that you
01:18:20
talked about, just the symmetry that one of his ancestors like
01:18:24
him had friends like the friends that he had.
01:18:27
OK. So not necessarily their
01:18:30
ancestors or not necessarily their their reincarnations, but
01:18:34
just that it's similar. Yeah, because the wheel likes
01:18:38
that symmetry. Yeah, right.
01:18:41
Yeah. OK, I'm tracking.
01:18:43
Yeah, but yeah. So they end up bringing
01:18:46
Charlene's body back to the caravan and Lewin's grandfather
01:18:53
looks and of course they noticed that the 2 girls are with them
01:18:57
and he comes over. He was like what happened?
01:18:59
And Lewin's sister immediately says he killed them.
01:19:06
The man who hurt us, he killed them.
01:19:10
And it was so like I understand Anthony and I talked about this
01:19:15
in the last episode. I understand the way of the
01:19:18
leaf. I understand.
01:19:22
I understand what their their little mindset is, whatever.
01:19:26
But when you see these two girls that you had written off,
01:19:30
literally written off for dead, brought back safely, Yeah, they
01:19:36
got a few bangs, a few bruises and no telling what kind of
01:19:40
behavior they were subjected to. But they are back and they are
01:19:44
whole. And the only thing you can think
01:19:47
of is that Lewin killed in self-defense to the point where
01:19:52
you banish him. You tell him he's no longer I
01:19:56
ill, you kick him out and then your mother.
01:20:00
Looks at you and says turn away from me stranger.
01:20:03
My son used to look like that and I don't want to see his face
01:20:06
on a murder. Like, that was heartbreaking.
01:20:10
It was heartbreaking, but it also pissed me off by you're
01:20:14
sitting there hugging your daughter because somebody went
01:20:17
to go get him. And granted, yes, it didn't go
01:20:19
the way things should have gone because Lou and even when they
01:20:25
were talking about going to get the girls, he said we'll just go
01:20:28
and get them and come back. No violence.
01:20:30
He didn't go there with the intent of killing someone, but
01:20:34
at the same time it's like this person was going to kill him.
01:20:37
I think natural instinct is to defend yourself.
01:20:40
I don't know too many people who are just going to sit there.
01:20:43
Like I think it's harder to sit there and not do anything, which
01:20:47
I can understand that. That takes a feet of strength
01:20:50
that some people don't have and and I can come forward, but it
01:20:55
ain't me. But if you follow the way of the
01:20:57
leaf, you can't even defend yourself.
01:21:00
I know so, but I miss you. Did did y'all talk about how
01:21:04
heartbreaking it was his mom was like I don't even want to see
01:21:08
your face. Like who is this?
01:21:11
Who are you that calls me mother?
01:21:13
I'm like. Right turn away from me, is it?
01:21:18
Hides a face. Because because my son had a
01:21:23
face like that and I don't want to see it on a killer.
01:21:26
Right. Yeah.
01:21:27
Like. Yeah, but if you, if you are, if
01:21:29
you are, if you follow the way of a leaf, you can't even defend
01:21:33
yourself. You have to sit there.
01:21:35
It was like when when at the end of them found the lost ones with
01:21:43
the 12th of one or the tinkers in there, she was like, yeah,
01:21:46
some of them didn't even like defended themselves.
01:21:48
No, they didn't, because they followed the way of the leaf.
01:21:51
Right. Yeah, yeah, that was very
01:21:55
heartbreaking. And then you know him and Elijah
01:21:58
is like, So what are we going to do?
01:22:00
And then Lewin just looks and he says we'll protect them since
01:22:04
they can't protect themselves, they can't kill, but we can.
01:22:07
And they put up their their wind guards.
01:22:10
And I guess that's where that comes from as far as the IEO.
01:22:14
But it's so again, it's so strange because at this point we
01:22:17
learned that the IE on the tuath one are one in the same.
01:22:21
So then you start to wonder, like where did the divide come
01:22:23
from? There was a divide.
01:22:25
Yeah, and and that's what I was going to say and that's where
01:22:28
you kind of learn. But and I don't know at what
01:22:33
point the Tuath one stopped calling themselves IEO.
01:22:36
Maybe it was because as they were wandering and as they were
01:22:40
picking up other people, maybe it just got to the point where
01:22:43
because they're, you know, they're reproducing or creating
01:22:46
families with people who are part of the caravan.
01:22:48
Maybe enough of that kind of, you know, the IO blood just
01:22:51
kind. Of I think they probably
01:22:54
intentionally stopped calling themselves IO.
01:22:58
OK. Because they couldn't.
01:23:03
We, I mean, we're, we're going to learn that they are all oath
01:23:08
Breakers, you know, even the 12:00 and 1:00.
01:23:11
So yeah, it would be terrible for themselves to call
01:23:15
themselves I I'll even if they still follow the Way of the
01:23:17
Leaf. They broke their oath.
01:23:20
OK, yeah, even though they kicked out the one who did it.
01:23:23
But yeah, I I get you. But at this point, we take a
01:23:27
break from Rand's visions and we go towards Moraine.
01:23:32
So Moraine. And she's going through Ruidian.
01:23:35
She finds she finds the sangria hidden in the tree and she she
01:23:41
takes it out, she puts it in her pocket and then she happens to
01:23:45
see the rings and sees that Avienda isn't 1 of the rings
01:23:49
going through whatever, I don't know, whatever the rings are
01:23:52
showing her. So then Meringue steps into the
01:23:56
rings and then we start to see her visions.
01:23:59
Now her visions come very quickly.
01:24:03
They don't come with as much depth as Rans does, but I think
01:24:07
because hers are probably a bit more self-explanatory, like the
01:24:12
first one we see is hers a fish wife and she, you know, she's
01:24:16
sitting there, she's mending Nets and she looks at the door
01:24:18
and she's like what's wrong love?
01:24:20
And you see a shadow of what looks like salon in the door.
01:24:24
And then the next vision is of her as the Amarlen and it Gwaine
01:24:29
as the keeper. Rand is there in the White Tower
01:24:33
and he's begging Moraine not to do it.
01:24:35
He was like, no, don't do it, don't do it.
01:24:38
You have to help and we see Moraine kill him.
01:24:41
I was like OK so Ram must be fully the dragon reborn at this
01:24:46
point. Then the third one we see is
01:24:49
Moraine releasing land from there I said I water bond and
01:24:54
then in the 4th 1 we see Moraine bonding with Rand asking him if
01:24:59
he accept the bond and he says yes.
01:25:01
The fifth one we see is land on fire running towards Moraine in
01:25:07
the tower and she douses him and then you know throws a bolt of
01:25:12
the one power over to the side to I guess whoever set him on
01:25:16
fire. And from what I could tell, it
01:25:19
looked like it may be land fear. OK, because I couldn't really
01:25:24
tell because the way More Rain's visions are going, they're kind
01:25:28
of going like they're going on an axis.
01:25:30
So you see some of it right side up and then it goes upside down.
01:25:35
And then the next vision starts upside down and it goes right
01:25:38
side up. So when this vision happened, it
01:25:41
started turning upside down so I could see the feet and I could
01:25:45
see a little bit of the shadow of the top of the purse.
01:25:47
But every time I went to go pause it, the shield came up so
01:25:51
you couldn't see the person's face.
01:25:52
And I was like, that must be laugh here.
01:25:54
That's why. X-ray says it's it's rant,
01:25:59
which, oh. Really.
01:26:01
Yeah, but it doesn't look like a man, but it could be.
01:26:06
OK, and then the 6th 1 is Moraine?
01:26:10
Asked Amalin, holding Rand. And he's in the desert.
01:26:14
He's been stabbed by a sword and he dies.
01:26:15
And she, you know, she screams. The next one is Moraine killing
01:26:20
Ran in the same desert as land is looking on.
01:26:24
And then the last one, I think that's the last one, Yeah.
01:26:28
The last one in this segment is Moraine.
01:26:31
It looks like she's in the Two Rivers and she is pledging
01:26:35
herself to serve the Dragon Reborn.
01:26:38
So all of these, if you think about it, they're all kind of
01:26:43
they're all kind of one shots. They're all kind of
01:26:45
self-explanatory. And I know that there's probably
01:26:49
more context to them. But again, the the wise ones
01:26:54
told her she was going to see probably 1000 variations of her
01:26:58
life and these are all, you know, different variations.
01:27:03
And I was just like, OK, it doesn't seem that bad.
01:27:07
It's basically saying, OK, Rand is either good as the Dragon
01:27:13
Reborn, because I would assume that's when she's kind of like
01:27:16
with him when she's doing the water bond, or he's going to go
01:27:21
bad as the Dragon Reborn. And those are the visions where
01:27:23
we saw her killing him. So I was like, OK, that's pretty
01:27:27
cut and dry maybe. Or or there's a there's a third
01:27:29
one. The third one is she.
01:27:33
He is a Dragon Reborn. He hasn't gone mad and she kills
01:27:36
him anyway. It's the Wheel of It's the Wheel
01:27:42
of Time, Multiverse of Madness. Yeah, because there's the one
01:27:45
version where he's in the tower on his knees.
01:27:47
Ask her. Don't do this.
01:27:48
That doesn't. That doesn't sound like Koreans
01:27:50
who's gone mad. No.
01:27:53
But you know what I noticed in certain in certain ones, like
01:27:57
the ones where she's killing him, he's always in red and then
01:28:03
the other ones he's in like a black type of outfit or he's in
01:28:07
a different color outfit. I know I'm not, I'm not trying
01:28:10
to picnics, I'm just saying there's always other
01:28:13
possibilities. You say you're not trying to
01:28:15
picnics. I'm not trying to picnics, but
01:28:19
yeah, I mean, there are probably somewhere he has gone mad and
01:28:22
there's probably somewhere he hasn't.
01:28:24
And there may just be somewhere she's just an asshole.
01:28:27
And she's like, well, if I can't cage you, I'm going to kill you.
01:28:31
Let's see that. I guess that's the thing that
01:28:33
kind of would confuse me, because I don't think nothing
01:28:38
that I've seen of Moraine up to this point has shown me that she
01:28:42
ever wanted to cage rent. Like her whole purpose is to see
01:28:48
him succeed as the Dragon Reborn.
01:28:51
Right, but but we also saw where Swan has arm on the seat.
01:28:56
Let it get to her head and wanted to cage him.
01:28:59
Oh, well, OK, yeah. So if Lorraine becomes OK, I I
01:29:03
get you. Yeah.
01:29:05
If Moraine is is ambulant, then that power might go to her head
01:29:08
and she might start thinking the same thing.
01:29:10
OK. Remember, these are showing her
01:29:13
all the possibilities. So there are possibilities
01:29:17
where, yeah, she could have been like Naive and and the others
01:29:21
and had to kill him because he was gone.
01:29:22
He had gone crazy. There could have been somewhere
01:29:26
she was like, she could have been a Red who became out of the
01:29:29
seat. You know what I'm saying?
01:29:31
Like you, you don't know. It's hard to tell.
01:29:35
Like you said, there's not a lot of context for her, right?
01:29:38
But she's only seeing results of her actions.
01:29:42
OK, OK, we'll come back to hers because the rest of her visions
01:29:47
are. So at this point in the show, it
01:29:50
goes back to Rand. So we see a few more of Rand's
01:29:54
recollections or memories. The first one is him as Joni,
01:29:59
which is old Aiden's grandfather.
01:30:02
Aiden is the the one who kicked Lewin out of the IEO in the
01:30:07
previous vision. So now we're looking back to
01:30:10
Aiden's childhood and Rand is seeing things as Joni, his
01:30:15
grandfather. The caravan has been attacked.
01:30:19
And then there are members of the caravan who say, you know,
01:30:22
we've had enough of this, we're going to go South.
01:30:26
They try to convince Adan to come with them, and he's like,
01:30:28
no, I'm staying with my grandfather because his parents
01:30:32
were both killed in that particular attack.
01:30:35
Now question because I had, again, I have not looked at a
01:30:38
map yet in terms of where things are, what is South, what is
01:30:43
east, because they mentioned those two areas specifically.
01:30:47
The members, when they say that they're leaving the caravan,
01:30:49
they said they're going to go South.
01:30:51
And then when Adon is asking John I about what they're going
01:30:55
to do, he said, well, your mother had visions about us
01:30:57
building a city in the desert, a place where all I yield can be
01:31:01
safe. And Adon says, where is it?
01:31:03
He said it's to the east, the. The Spine The other side of the
01:31:08
spine is the desert. OK.
01:31:11
So that's East. OK, OK.
01:31:15
And South would be, you know, the furthest SI think is
01:31:21
Manetharin. 02 rivers, OK. Right.
01:31:24
And when you go, yeah, I'm sorry, Two Rivers.
01:31:26
And when you go West, that's when you get to like, fall.
01:31:31
Oh OK, so the IO waste is on the east?
01:31:34
The IO waste is to the east OK. OK.
01:31:36
It's Karian, and then there's yeah, it's like, I think if I
01:31:40
remember, it's like Andor Karian, then the spine and then
01:31:46
the desert. Oh, OK, OK.
01:31:50
Despite these mountains, a mountain range.
01:31:53
OK, OK. And Tarva LON is Tarian, I
01:31:59
think. Yeah, I think.
01:32:02
It's been a while since I've looked at the map.
01:32:03
OK, yeah, 'cause I was going to say I think Tarva LON and Karian
01:32:06
are kind of away from each other because it gwang she described
01:32:10
it as half a world away when she was talking about how fast the
01:32:14
the news from farm had traveled to Tarva LON.
01:32:17
Yeah. Well Tarva line is all the way
01:32:21
east and Farm is all the way West, so that would be half a
01:32:25
world away. OK, OK, so yeah, the the only
01:32:30
other notable thing with this one is Joe and I, when they get
01:32:35
ready to leave him and his grandson, they're the only two
01:32:37
left of their little caravan. Everybody else has left and we
01:32:42
noticed that inside the the cart that he's about to pull, there
01:32:47
is a sapling from Avandasaur, or it may be actually Avandasaur, I
01:32:52
don't know because the the sagrial is.
01:32:55
Yeah, it's. In it, Yeah, it's in it.
01:32:57
So this this is probably when Avandasaur was like really just
01:33:02
kind of starting out, at least at this point, the next one.
01:33:08
Oh, but before that you, you we did we mention that the ones
01:33:13
that left those are the ones that became the 12th. 10 OK, no,
01:33:17
actually I was going to ask that.
01:33:19
So OK, so that would probably be why they no longer call
01:33:23
themselves the IEO. But no, I'm kind of wondering
01:33:26
because this is before. Yeah, this.
01:33:30
This is because he continued. So when we see him later with.
01:33:35
Oh, so he's still considering. He's still calling himself the
01:33:37
IEO, and they're still. Going to build the city.
01:33:42
Right. OK, so he so he is part of the
01:33:46
ones that continues to be the ideal, the ones who left who
01:33:49
decide to go South. Those are the lost ones, the two
01:33:52
author. Those are the lost ones.
01:33:53
OK, but they are apparently still following the way of the
01:33:57
leaf, they just didn't do it with him.
01:34:00
They didn't see any point in going to the desert.
01:34:03
OK, OK, so they didn't necessarily abandoned their
01:34:07
ideals, they just didn't want to go where he was going to go.
01:34:11
Yeah, OK. And you know, and I'm sure some
01:34:14
of them decided to leave the Way of the Leaf, probably, you know,
01:34:20
which is why we got redheads all over the place.
01:34:24
Could be OK, OK. You're there and everywhere,
01:34:27
right? Right.
01:34:30
Yeah, but the, the, Yeah. But the implication is that's
01:34:32
that's where the Lost Ones came from, because they just couldn't
01:34:34
do it. They they just don't want to do
01:34:36
it. They they were the first ones to
01:34:38
break the oath. OK, OK.
01:34:42
So then we go to the next vision which is showing.
01:34:46
It looks like a a city, like, I don't know if it was under
01:34:51
attack because the way that it looks, you look in the distance
01:34:54
and there are these beams of light and I couldn't tell if
01:34:59
they were going up or if they were coming down.
01:35:02
Yo, you didn't realize what that was?
01:35:04
No, I mean I I know it probably had something to do with when
01:35:08
the when the wheel broke, or when the.
01:35:12
Those are men channeling. They've gone crazy.
01:35:18
That was OK. They This is the breaking.
01:35:22
This is the beginning of the breaking of the world.
01:35:24
OK, that's what I thought it was, but I didn't realize that
01:35:27
was the men channeling. Yeah, that we saw.
01:35:29
OK, All right, So then that kind of puts things into a little bit
01:35:34
more context. So it's.
01:35:35
That's not, that's not a spoiler, because that's
01:35:37
literally what is. Yeah, because I know they
01:35:40
mention. It Yeah, that's what kind of
01:35:42
alludes to we the men are like they've.
01:35:46
They've the madness has taken them and all of this other
01:35:49
stuff, but I didn't realize that's what that was.
01:35:51
Because one, it was so far in the distance that all I saw were
01:35:56
the lights. So you didn't really see that it
01:35:58
was the men doing it. It was just weird 'cause it was
01:36:01
like almost like, I don't know, like the beams of light coming.
01:36:05
From the from the station, all kinds of crazy stuff and and the
01:36:09
lost ones in the previous life, the lost ones were like OK, so
01:36:14
the I said I have killed the last man who could channel.
01:36:16
Right. And the breaking has kind of
01:36:18
stopped. So I don't think we, you know,
01:36:21
we basically we, we don't have to keep doing this.
01:36:23
So we're going to go home. Yeah, We can find some place to
01:36:27
settle. I think that's what they were
01:36:28
saying. Yeah.
01:36:29
And I guess that didn't work out too well for them because when
01:36:34
we meet the two walking one in current, they they're still
01:36:36
wandering, they're still going, you know, all over the place.
01:36:40
But yeah, so in that in this version, there is a past version
01:36:44
of Rand who looks like Rand, but we we don't get his name.
01:36:48
In this version, he is speaking to a a younger Latrice Sadai,
01:36:52
who is the older woman who was in the very first or second
01:36:58
vision. Do do you remember Latrice
01:37:01
Sadai? No, her name sounds familiar.
01:37:05
She was the I said I talking to loose Theron in the nursery in
01:37:10
their flashback. Oh, yes, OK, I, I her name sound
01:37:15
familiar, but I couldn't play I'm, I think I'm really going to
01:37:19
have to go back and rewatch season 1 'cause there are too
01:37:21
many references being made to season 1 episodes that I'm not
01:37:25
remembering. So yeah, OK, I'm going to have
01:37:28
to do that, but OK. So he's talking to Mattress to
01:37:31
Die and they're having a conversation because I guess
01:37:34
they're getting ready to evacuate the city.
01:37:36
And she asked him something about did you get, did you get
01:37:40
the, the samplings of the Chora? And he says, yes, there's 10
01:37:45
cuttings and pots that are being placed in wagons.
01:37:50
So I guess they're taking that tree of life they've taken
01:37:53
cuttings from and they're sending it with as many people
01:37:56
as they can, I guess to, to put wherever they can find to settle
01:38:01
so that the men who can channel. Yeah, but she she gives them a
01:38:05
specific task. Find a place.
01:38:10
Where they can be safe and where they can settle and be safe and
01:38:15
yeah, and don't have to, don't have to protect themselves or,
01:38:19
you know, where they can feel protected.
01:38:21
But she also gives him the Sangreal for safekeeping.
01:38:26
And the other sister who is with her is like, no, you can't give
01:38:30
that to him. It's too precious.
01:38:31
And she tells her she was like, we already have men who can
01:38:38
channel, who are, you know, who are giving way to the madness if
01:38:42
they find this and a woman who can use it to channel, there's
01:38:46
no telling what they can do. And she was trying to avoid
01:38:49
that. So she was going to send it
01:38:52
with, She was going to send it with this.
01:38:56
Yeah, the IO, there's no name she's going to send it with.
01:39:00
The IO. She's going to send it with the
01:39:01
IO, But she also mentions the fact that she was like, don't
01:39:05
forget, it was our Ayesadi sister, Mirren Sadai, who
01:39:09
unlocked the Dark One's cage and took on the name land Fear.
01:39:13
And I was like, oh, OK, that's that's where we hear her name
01:39:16
because we hadn't heard her name before.
01:39:18
But you mentioned it in the last episode.
01:39:21
Mirren Sadai. Yeah, so.
01:39:24
So at this point they give him the sangria.
01:39:27
Oh, and then she also mentions the story calendar.
01:39:31
Oh, yes, because she's telling when she when she gives it to
01:39:34
him, she tells him that this is, you know, this is a sangria that
01:39:37
only women can use. And then there's another one
01:39:40
called calendar that are for the men.
01:39:43
She was like, that one is being protected in a city where it
01:39:47
can't be touched, is being protected by war and fear.
01:39:50
So this I'm giving you to be protected by peace because she
01:39:55
tells, she tells the other sister, she said that I, I'll
01:39:58
have shown that there was courage and peace and this is
01:40:03
the, the way we want to go. So when she gives this to them,
01:40:07
she tells them to keep moving, to always keep moving until you
01:40:12
find some place safe and to always keep to the ways of the
01:40:17
leaf. And they all literally bend the
01:40:19
knee. And they take this oath saying
01:40:22
that they will keep to the ways of the that the IO would keep to
01:40:25
the ways of the leaf. And they, you know, they will
01:40:28
force where all violence. And then you see him go out to
01:40:31
the cart with his husband and basically say that one thing
01:40:37
that I think, I think it was Bain who said it before she was
01:40:42
saying all is well, all is well. And.
01:40:44
All bear. Bear.
01:40:45
Bear Yes, so and then you see them all riding out, all of
01:40:50
these carriages riding out, presumably all with pieces of
01:40:55
Avinda Sora except for this particular one that also has
01:40:59
this Angrio embedded in the middle of it.
01:41:03
And then you see a final vision for Rand, and this is him.
01:41:11
He looks so weird in this one because I'm not used to seeing
01:41:14
him with the facial hair. And then he has the Padawan
01:41:17
braid in the back. And it was just very weird
01:41:21
because he looked very, I don't want to say homely, but he looks
01:41:25
very different from all the other versions we see him, like
01:41:27
most of the versions we see of him.
01:41:30
He's a warrior or he's dressed like the people in the Way of
01:41:33
the Leaf. The vision that we saw him just
01:41:36
before, he looked more futuristic than anything.
01:41:40
But I remember that when we saw the episode in the first season,
01:41:44
they were a lot more technologically advanced.
01:41:46
They seem more futuristic before the wheel broke.
01:41:50
That's what we look like. Thank you, 'cause I was looking
01:41:53
at this and I was like, who the fuck does he look like?
01:41:55
He's gonna remind me. He was like, motherfucker,
01:41:57
that's Anakin. He looks like Anakin.
01:41:59
Yes, just Anakin with red. Hair.
01:42:04
I was like, 'cause it was bugs the fuck out of me.
01:42:06
I was like, I can't put my finger on.
01:42:09
I'm like, oh. Yes, young Padawan, that's who
01:42:11
he looks like. Yeah.
01:42:13
And I'm like, oh, then I then I was like, oh, is this, are they,
01:42:18
is this another, another parallel that they're like
01:42:22
making him making it seem like he's the quote UN quote chosen
01:42:25
one or something. We already know he's the chosen
01:42:28
1. Yeah, but it's like, but it's
01:42:32
like a parallel like that, like, oh God.
01:42:34
Like we're going to have to go through, go through him in a in
01:42:37
a dark phase, like a Darth Vader phase.
01:42:39
Well I mean we, we, we have the the struggle, we have the
01:42:43
struggle with his love with E Gwen or Landfair, whichever 1
01:42:47
you want to call it. But Speaking of Landfair, she is
01:42:50
in this final vision. Is this?
01:42:52
The future. No, this was the past.
01:42:55
They keep going backwards in the past and like I said, I heard.
01:42:59
Yeah, but it looks futuristic. It looks So looks more so much
01:43:03
more futuristic it looks. Like what I was.
01:43:05
Seeing in the. Past, yeah, yeah.
01:43:07
In the first season, if you remember the episode where we're
01:43:10
introduced to Latrice to Die and Lewis Ferran, everything looked
01:43:14
more futuristic, like they had flying vehicles at that time and
01:43:18
everything. This was right before the world
01:43:20
broke. So yeah, it does look a little
01:43:24
more futuristic. But he is a farmer in this one.
01:43:28
And he's looking at his family, and they're, you know, tending
01:43:31
the fields. And Marin Sadai with landfill
01:43:34
at, you know, before she became landfill.
01:43:37
She comes in, they're having a conversation and he's talking
01:43:41
about how this day is important for her because what she has
01:43:44
discovered is she says the true power, which can be used by both
01:43:49
men and women. And Anthony, and I think you've
01:43:52
mentioned this before, this is different from the one power,
01:43:55
correct? Yes.
01:43:58
OK, So this is something that she has.
01:44:01
She says she's discovered. She was like, yes, it's a
01:44:04
little. It's a little part where we can
01:44:07
kind of punch through and see what's on the other side and.
01:44:10
I'm like no, don't do. That that's that's not a good
01:44:12
idea. That's never good.
01:44:14
Yeah, the the researchers, which she was one of them, found where
01:44:18
the pattern was the thinnest. And they're like, if we can
01:44:21
breakthrough that, we can get to some extra power on the other
01:44:25
side that men and women can use. Yeah.
01:44:29
And she was like, and Can you imagine she was like your, your
01:44:33
family could harvest without having to do the actual physical
01:44:36
work. And that's when you tell her
01:44:37
he's like, no, this is actually fun.
01:44:39
Like we enjoy this. There's something about doing
01:44:42
the work with your own hands. He was like, I can't explain it,
01:44:46
but it's, it's satisfying. It's something that you know
01:44:49
that we love to do and. Yeah, so the this real quick.
01:44:55
So the one power comes from the creator, the source is the
01:45:01
pattern, the wheel. The true power comes from the
01:45:07
dark one shadow. So that's where the true power
01:45:12
comes from. OK.
01:45:15
All right. So was she was she bore into
01:45:18
When they broke into the hole, they opened up the Dark Ones
01:45:21
prison. His prison, OK.
01:45:24
And then I guess she got she touched it and she got
01:45:27
corrupted, right? Or was she already corrupted?
01:45:33
I'm going to say I'm going to say no.
01:45:36
OK. Because it was exactly what she
01:45:39
wanted. More power.
01:45:42
OK, OK. But anyway, so when they're
01:45:48
having this conversation, he's getting ready to go out to the
01:45:51
fields. And she turns around and she
01:45:53
tells him something about the most important thing is to hold
01:45:57
on to the ones you love. And he goes out and he starts,
01:46:02
you know, tending the fields with his his family.
01:46:06
Now what this this little ball that was in the middle of the
01:46:09
sky that looked like the Death Star or became the Death Star.
01:46:13
What exactly was that? Because that's the thing that
01:46:16
actually breaks. That's that's not the important
01:46:19
thing. The important thing was the
01:46:21
song, the harvest song. Remember, the Tuathuan are going
01:46:26
around trying to find the song. But I couldn't hear the words to
01:46:31
the song so. The song they were in the old,
01:46:35
you wouldn't have understood it anyway.
01:46:37
Yeah, the old tongue. Uh huh.
01:46:39
But that was the song that they talk about looking for, they're
01:46:41
trying to find. I figured that part out, but it
01:46:45
kind of got overshadowed by the big glowy ball in the middle of
01:46:49
the sky that all of a sudden starts breaking.
01:46:52
It the remember. Ball it was, it was just a
01:46:54
research. It was a research facility.
01:46:56
Oh, OK, OK. That they put around that being
01:47:00
part of the pattern. OK, that's what I was trying to
01:47:03
figure out because it because it looks like the way that the
01:47:05
graphics were. It's like when it starts falling
01:47:09
apart, there's this one little section that looks like a hole,
01:47:12
and I was like, OK, that looks like.
01:47:14
That's probably where they first punched through was right there.
01:47:19
OK, but see, I didn't know what that was.
01:47:21
I was like, OK, is that a moon? Is that like just I, I didn't
01:47:25
know what it was. Because you saw them, you saw
01:47:27
her on the inside talking to him, and you saw where it
01:47:30
showed, where the one power was going crazy in this one little
01:47:34
area. Yeah, that's what they were
01:47:35
trying to drill into. Oh, so that's the place where he
01:47:38
was when he was looking out because you only see like a
01:47:42
window. Yeah.
01:47:43
That's what that's where he was. He was up there with Marisa Die
01:47:48
and she was like, yeah, he was like, what is that?
01:47:50
And she's like, that's where we're boring into the into the
01:47:54
pattern. OK, OK, so that's what they're
01:47:57
looking for. Was on his face, not just that
01:47:59
the thing was falling. He was like, oh shit, I was just
01:48:02
there. That too.
01:48:05
But OK, is it just me or did when he was, when he was sitting
01:48:10
down there, you know, whacking wheat with his family?
01:48:13
He looked he looked over at one of the family members and she
01:48:17
turned to look at him. Isn't just me or did she look
01:48:21
like Amicosa die? Oh, she did.
01:48:27
I was like. But I don't think that is her,
01:48:29
but OK. She did.
01:48:30
Well. I mean, it's not her, but it
01:48:32
could have been like a, a ancestor of hers that was
01:48:35
actually part of that. But I just thought it was very
01:48:38
interesting. Or it could have been the
01:48:39
actress who were like, hey, we kind of like you.
01:48:41
You want to come back and do another, right?
01:48:43
Right. OK, that's cool.
01:48:46
But after he has this vision, because, like you said, the
01:48:49
Research Center, which we now know it is, it actually comes
01:48:53
crashing down to the ground. And, you know, all of his family
01:48:56
members start running. And then you kind of see
01:48:59
flashbacks from all of Rand's visions.
01:49:02
And there are voice overs of some of the stuff that Bear was
01:49:06
saying before he went in about, you know, he's going to have to,
01:49:10
if he's going to lead, he's got to learn the ways of his people.
01:49:13
He's got to learn, you know, the past and all this other stuff.
01:49:17
And then he literally passes out on the ground and he's actually
01:49:21
made it to the end because while he's in there, he's passing,
01:49:24
first of all, the way that they have this done because he is
01:49:28
fighting up against a force or a strong wind or something that is
01:49:33
trying to push him back. So watching him walk through
01:49:38
this in, in the slow motion or however they're doing it, it
01:49:42
looks cool. But in the midst of all that,
01:49:45
he's coming across the skeletons of other, I guess other clan
01:49:49
chiefs who have tried to go through Irwidian and didn't make
01:49:53
it. And then like I said, he he
01:49:54
comes to Savannah's husband and actually goes past him.
01:49:59
And as he's going past again, everything is going in slow
01:50:03
motion. His eyes, the other guy's eyes.
01:50:06
I can't remember his name, Moridan or something.
01:50:10
Or something like that. Moridan.
01:50:12
His eyes are starting to bleed because whatever he is looking
01:50:16
at, I'm guessing he is not learning the lesson.
01:50:20
He's actually trying to RIP his eyes out.
01:50:23
Yeah. He was ripping.
01:50:25
He was literally ripping his eyes out because he couldn't
01:50:28
take what he was seeing. Yeah, yeah, no.
01:50:32
And, and he ends up dying in there.
01:50:35
But Rand, he passes out. And as he's passed out, he sees,
01:50:40
oh, that's what we forgot to mention before they went.
01:50:42
He sees his arms getting the two, I guess.
01:50:48
Dragon tattoos. Dragon tattoos, yeah, for his
01:50:51
arms. And this is something Ruark said
01:50:54
to him before when he was asking about going into Ruidian.
01:50:59
And he said clan, clan, clan chiefs who go through, we're
01:51:03
marked by the experience. And he shows him a tattoo on one
01:51:08
of his arms, and it's literally a golden.
01:51:10
It almost looks like golden foil, but it's a dragon wrapped
01:51:13
around his forearm. And that's when Rand is like
01:51:16
people of the dragon, because he's mentioned that a couple of
01:51:19
times before. And Ruark is like, yeah, that's
01:51:22
what they used to call us. He said the Karakarn, when he
01:51:25
goes through Ruidian, he will be marked twice.
01:51:28
And that is how we will know him.
01:51:30
So this is what is happening to to Ran.
01:51:33
Now he has the dragon tattoos on both of his arms.
01:51:36
And then the next thing we see is Avienda passed that on the
01:51:40
ground and Ran goes to wake her up.
01:51:42
And then she looks at him and she sees the dragon tattoos on
01:51:46
both of his forearms. And she kind of pushes back and
01:51:48
she's looking at him like mother fuck.
01:51:51
At some point I'm have to apologize to his ass because
01:51:55
again, this is the sign of the car, car which you really did
01:51:59
not want him to be. So he he asked her if she seen
01:52:03
Moraine because I'm guessing they're outside, not necessarily
01:52:07
outside of the wedding. And at that point, but they're
01:52:09
back at the gates and she says Moraine is still inside and she
01:52:14
gets up and starts walking out and he said, where are you
01:52:16
going? She was like, I'm going back.
01:52:17
He said to the tent. She was like, aren't you?
01:52:20
He was like, no, I'm not going without her.
01:52:23
So then we go back to Moraine, who was still in the rings, and
01:52:29
man, let me tell you, I don't know what was more disturbing in
01:52:33
this set of visions. It was either land fear slitting
01:52:37
Moraine's throat over and over and over and over and over and
01:52:42
over again. Or it was that one vision of
01:52:46
Moraine and ran in bed together. I think that was probably more
01:52:50
disturbing to me. So I mean not seeing the immense
01:52:54
field 5 as forsaken. That was no, that was, that was
01:52:58
it. That was it for me.
01:52:59
And it's like, and did did Wayne have have like the thing in her
01:53:02
mouth again? I think she had Was it
01:53:06
piercings? Probably.
01:53:08
I mean, that was disturbing because, but also not, I would
01:53:14
say it wasn't surprising to me because we know that they're,
01:53:18
you know, one of the things landfill has talked about and
01:53:20
even even Ishmael was trying to get them to turn to the dark.
01:53:24
So her seeing a vision of them turned to the dark.
01:53:28
That's that wasn't surprising to me because I know that that's
01:53:30
something that they are trying to do.
01:53:33
I thought I was like, OK, so we got a golf band together.
01:53:37
OK, cool. Luckily that vision was very
01:53:39
short, but again, it it was one of those where landfill was
01:53:43
killing Lorraine. She killed Lorraine.
01:53:46
As you know, I and I don't know, Moraine was different because in
01:53:51
that particular vision, her hair was very short.
01:53:54
She was blonde and she had on kind of like AI don't know, like
01:53:59
a sack dress. It was kind of a plain dress.
01:54:02
So I don't know what was going on with her, but she gets
01:54:06
killed. Then I think she gets killed as
01:54:09
the ambulance. I think she gets killed just as
01:54:12
her regular isodicelf over. And over and.
01:54:15
Over and over again. Before you move away from the
01:54:19
the Emmonsfield 5 that's Forsaken, did you, did you
01:54:24
recognize one of the ones who wasn't the one who wasn't
01:54:28
Emmonsfield 5? No, because it went so fast and.
01:54:32
I just. Oh.
01:54:36
Yeah, I was like, that's interesting.
01:54:39
OK. I know there was a there was
01:54:42
quite a few of them because it was a Wayne, it was 19th, it was
01:54:46
Perrin. Did I see land in that?
01:54:50
Elaine, no land. Elaine was in there.
01:54:52
Oh yes, I do remember Elaine in her hair.
01:54:53
Because her hair. Yeah, no, Matt.
01:54:58
That's not Matt. No, Matt.
01:55:01
Next to land fear. Yeah, it is, Matt.
01:55:06
Oh OK I was going to say that's weird.
01:55:08
Unless Matt is dead at that point since men keep seeing him
01:55:12
dead. So we can we can assume that
01:55:15
they. No, I don't think that is that's
01:55:19
someone in the dress. Maybe it is Matt.
01:55:21
Yeah, they have an address though.
01:55:25
OK. I mean, it's Matt.
01:55:27
It's like, can we really put anything past Matt?
01:55:30
I mean. Yeah, but between.
01:55:33
But I I only brought this up because it will be cool in this
01:55:36
universe. If Meganian and Landfill worked
01:55:39
together they would basically kill all of the other Forsaken
01:55:43
and then replace them with the MSVO 5.
01:55:48
Yeah, but I don't know if I see Laffier and Mogadian working
01:55:52
together. Again, these are possibilities.
01:55:55
That is true. That is true it, but it's one of
01:55:57
those. Weird.
01:55:58
But they don't work together. You just imagine if they did
01:56:02
make an alliance. Yeah, that would be very, very
01:56:06
dangerous for everybody. But that's about as likely as
01:56:10
Rand and Moraine being in bed together.
01:56:13
That was weird. But even weirder than that was
01:56:16
her being in bed land fear. Yeah.
01:56:20
I was like, wait, so you got you got her in bed with someone who
01:56:24
was like 25 years her junior, which is weird because she was
01:56:28
already a grown ass woman when Ram was born.
01:56:31
There's more than that. She's damn near 100 years old.
01:56:34
Right, she's old. Old.
01:56:35
Yes, that too. That too.
01:56:38
And then you have her with land fear.
01:56:42
And then to see her go from being in bed with land fear,
01:56:46
like Laffier starts trying to choke her.
01:56:48
And then literally the next what, 7-8 turns of the wheel,
01:56:52
Laffier is slitting her throat. And I was just like, so is, are
01:56:59
they trying to tell us that this is the one that's going to come
01:57:02
to pass because we've seen it so many times?
01:57:05
Like, I don't, I don't know. But at this point, if Moraine
01:57:11
does anything with Lamphere again at this point, I'm going
01:57:16
to have questions. I'm going to have questions.
01:57:20
This is a warning to Moraine. I I guess it must be and and
01:57:24
they must be like let us drill this into your head several
01:57:28
times so you understand this bitch will kill you.
01:57:33
No in a. Million different ways.
01:57:35
Literally, because the thing we find out is her and Ran have
01:57:39
been in there for seven days. Yeah.
01:57:41
So imagine how many times she saw that, saw herself being
01:57:48
killed over and over and over. It's like Doctor.
01:57:52
Strange in this? Doctor Strange in the NCU, you
01:57:55
know, I've seen before. Million.
01:57:58
Ways. Yeah, talk about trauma.
01:58:02
Yeah, that's trauma. Because that's not something you
01:58:05
can escape from. And that, that had to have been,
01:58:10
well, that was on the 5th day. Because when Gwen and Land are
01:58:15
sitting by the campfire, Gwen is trying to tell Land they need to
01:58:18
go after them. She was like, they've been in
01:58:20
there seven days. Ivanda came back 2 days ago.
01:58:24
So I just. Oh, yeah.
01:58:29
If if you have anything to do with Landfair after this, aside
01:58:33
from telling her to kick rocks, then it's on you.
01:58:37
I, I don't know. It's kind of like, do you have a
01:58:39
death wish? Or it could be inevitable.
01:58:44
So fixed point in time cannot be changed.
01:58:48
You know, I feel some kind of way about these fixed time, you
01:58:52
know, fixed point in times especially that violent because
01:58:57
it's not like you. Coming to my side about time
01:59:00
travel, right? That's what it sounds like to
01:59:02
me. Welcome.
01:59:05
Welcome to the fold. I'm just saying there's only so
01:59:10
many times you can watch somebody get their throat cut
01:59:13
and it's it's not just OK, I'm going to stand behind you and
01:59:17
slit your throat. She is slashing her from arm's
01:59:21
length with a sword. Several times she stabs.
01:59:26
No, she cut her, slashed her throat, and when she fell on the
01:59:30
ground then she impaled her with the like.
01:59:35
No, it's just divided. When she does, she always ends
01:59:38
or almost ends with a slash of the throat.
01:59:41
She stabs her to the chest, then she slashes her throat.
01:59:44
She stabs to the back, then she slashes her throat.
01:59:48
Every single time. It's like you're going to be
01:59:50
dead no matter what I do. Listen, I can see why Ran had to
01:59:54
carry her out of Ruidian, because after all of that I'm
01:59:57
probably like Nope, I'm never leaving here.
01:59:59
Nope, because she can't get me in here.
02:00:01
Nope, I'm not. I'm not going anywhere, but Rand
02:00:08
does walk out with her. At what time of day?
02:00:12
Dawn. He comes with the dawn.
02:00:15
Yep, he comes with the dawn and and LAN and Gwen meet them at
02:00:19
the gates and there are no words exchanged.
02:00:23
But Rand has this tear coming down his eye and I think what
02:00:26
was it that he told Avienda because he apologizes to her
02:00:30
when they're inside. He says I'm so sorry I didn't
02:00:32
understand about the source and she was like what you so you
02:00:35
understand now? And he said I understand enough
02:00:38
to know I will never understand. Now he's starting to talk like
02:00:42
them. Like God damn.
02:00:44
But I mean, it's just there's so much.
02:00:46
And I think, you know, we saw the, what was that 7 or 8
02:00:52
instances that he saw? If he's been in there for seven
02:00:55
days, he probably saw way more than that.
02:00:58
He did, like I say, it was 2 chapters in the book that he did
02:01:02
this. There were a lot of lives he
02:01:04
viewed to explain value. Yeah, but I think he understands
02:01:11
now. Like 1 the IEO and the Tuathlon
02:01:14
had the same type of you know. Well one they were the same
02:01:18
people and regardless of how they diverge they all still have
02:01:23
the same thing. Like the IEO don't use swords
02:01:26
and yes they can be killing machines if they need to, but I
02:01:30
don't think that's their first instinct when they are fighting
02:01:33
with someone. Yeah, and this is how the clam
02:01:36
sheets know their oath Breakers. Yeah, those hit those that go
02:01:41
through Meridian, they're like, oh, OK, so we did kind of break
02:01:44
oats because we weren't supposed to do this.
02:01:47
And who was it? Lewin wasn't supposed to kill
02:01:50
those people. He wasn't supposed to go after
02:01:52
which again, whatever. But I, but I think it it what it
02:02:00
I think it really makes it interesting because in the last
02:02:05
episode and the episode before that, you see how Avienda, Bain
02:02:12
and Chiad all react when they talk about the ways of the leaf.
02:02:17
They all have this really nasty attitude towards them because
02:02:22
they have no respect for them. They're like, yeah, they don't
02:02:24
even, they don't even protect themselves.
02:02:26
And it's so funny because it's like, they are you they.
02:02:29
Don't know it. They don't.
02:02:32
Know why they treat them like over Breakers, but they are oath
02:02:37
Breakers and they treat them like that.
02:02:39
They don't know why, they just know that they can't harm them.
02:02:42
But you can't harm them. They're they're you.
02:02:44
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's the thing,
02:02:47
because they don't know that. They don't know that.
02:02:49
It was like, yeah, these people, they, they don't protect
02:02:51
themselves, but this is where you came from.
02:02:55
Like the only reason why you are you are who you are is because
02:02:59
someone from that line broke their oaths and ended up
02:03:03
creating y'all. And that would explain why the
02:03:06
shadow attacked the Tuathuan, because their clan chief was
02:03:12
dead and the new clan chief hadn't come out of ruining.
02:03:17
Yet. And they don't know.
02:03:19
And they don't know because the clan, if they had a clan chief,
02:03:22
would make sure that they knew not to harm the lost ones, and
02:03:25
anyone would be punished for. It because that's what Avienda
02:03:30
says she was, she was like, it's it's dishonorable not to protect
02:03:34
yourself, but it's more dishonorable to attack those
02:03:37
that won't protect themselves. Yeah.
02:03:41
But if you had a clan chief strong enough to make it through
02:03:43
Ruidian, they would they would be strong enough to make sure
02:03:47
they wouldn't do that. Yeah, but I think.
02:03:52
But the wheel, the wheel weaves as the wheel wheels.
02:03:55
Yeah, that's going to be one of those phrases.
02:03:58
Just like she was the most powerful channeler in the last
02:04:01
1000 years. It's kind of like, I understand
02:04:05
the whole point of not sharing what you experienced in Rowidian
02:04:09
except for with those who have experienced Rowidian, but to not
02:04:15
give people a reason for why you do certain things to just say,
02:04:19
OK, we just, we don't attack them because that's
02:04:21
dishonorable. We don't carry sores because
02:04:24
that's dishonorable. Well why is it this
02:04:26
dishonorable? I think it's not so much that
02:04:30
that knowledge has been lost the time.
02:04:32
Y'all aren't sharing that knowledge with your people.
02:04:35
So how are they supposed to do better or be better if you're
02:04:38
not telling them what caused them to be so disliked in the
02:04:42
first place? Yeah, they're basically saying
02:04:44
because I said so and it's like. Yeah, yeah.
02:04:48
No. It's hard.
02:04:51
There are. There are reasons.
02:04:53
I know. And this, this society is so
02:04:58
built on honor and obligation, and it's so built on following
02:05:07
your oath, Yeah. To find out that your whole
02:05:11
society is based being an oath breaker.
02:05:15
Right. Yeah.
02:05:17
That that would cause all kinds of problems.
02:05:21
Yeah, especially considering you started a war with someone who
02:05:25
was an oath breaker because of the fact that he was an oath
02:05:28
breaker. And it's been so long, even in,
02:05:32
in the real world, in our in our lives, think about all the
02:05:36
things that are happening that we don't know why.
02:05:39
You know, they're, they're societies that are at war with
02:05:42
each other. And the reasons why they're at
02:05:44
war with each other has been lost to time.
02:05:47
They've just been raised to keep fighting these people because we
02:05:51
don't like them. You don't even know why.
02:05:53
You. Know, you don't even know why it
02:05:54
even started that way and and you know that that's that's
02:05:59
just, you know, the wheel weeds. There's a reason why the shadow
02:06:03
have to be the shadow. And you know, we'll we'll find
02:06:06
out why later, OK? But there was so much.
02:06:13
There's a lot to unpack in this episode.
02:06:15
So much it. Really is.
02:06:20
But I mean all the way from the the whole reason why the I like
02:06:25
the IEO war started because Moraine's uncle was an ass,
02:06:29
because he was an arrogant, narcissistic ass.
02:06:34
So you got to, you got to sit here and think back to to all
02:06:38
the other stuff, like when we saw the vision or the flashback
02:06:41
of her and Suwan, like getting ready to plan their lives
02:06:45
because the IEO war was over. Moraine already knew at that
02:06:48
time why the IEO war started. Maybe nobody else understood,
02:06:53
but Moraine knew. And you have to think of what
02:06:56
kind of burden that must have been for her.
02:06:58
Well. The asked that knew I'll be
02:07:01
asked that knew why they just they they just they, they kind
02:07:04
of stayed out of it. Yeah, yeah.
02:07:07
But I mean, for it to be so personal to Moraine, you know,
02:07:11
it's not like this was a distant relative.
02:07:14
Yeah, well, it's kind of hard. It's kind of hard to say that
02:07:18
yield are really rampant through the countryside because the king
02:07:25
tore down the tree and made a throne.
02:07:28
Yeah, that's not information you want.
02:07:31
Yeah, but I mean. It's still ruined.
02:07:33
You still ruined your family, Yeah, but you could have
02:07:36
literally destabilized the country completely.
02:07:40
Yeah. So no, that was the reason why.
02:07:42
Yeah. And, and I understand that.
02:07:44
I'm not talking about other people.
02:07:45
No, I'm talking about just internally what that does to a
02:07:48
person to know that you have someone that you are related to,
02:07:53
that you are close to, or whatever the case may be.
02:07:55
Like this is the reason why this war started to know that
02:07:58
internally. Yeah, that has to be something
02:08:01
hard, because from what I've heard, the IO War was a very
02:08:05
deadly and bloody one. I mean, Moraine said that they
02:08:08
literally went to all these different places, kind of
02:08:12
clearing out until they could find this man.
02:08:16
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was bad for the Carrions.
02:08:19
It wasn't bad for anybody else because they were looking for
02:08:22
him and he was hiding so. Yeah.
02:08:26
And because once they killed them, they were done, they left.
02:08:29
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
02:08:32
And and at the time she was in the eyes to die already, so it
02:08:36
probably didn't concern her that much.
02:08:39
Maybe not on the outside, but still internally, knowing that
02:08:42
this is your family, that you know, your family is the reason
02:08:46
why all this is happening. That's got to affect you on some
02:08:50
level. Like you, you know, like you are
02:08:54
the reason why my family is in ruin.
02:08:56
And granted, at that point, Moraine, you know, she probably
02:09:00
didn't care at that point because she wasn't, she wasn't
02:09:03
on the Find the Dragon Reborn mission at that point.
02:09:06
Well, think about it. At the time at the end of the
02:09:11
war when when Rand was being born, that was when she and Swan
02:09:19
heard the prophecy at the. Same time, yeah, that's what.
02:09:21
But I'm saying right before that she wasn't estranged from her
02:09:25
family. Then she was talking about
02:09:27
taking someone home to meet her father.
02:09:29
So that's why I'm saying she had it.
02:09:31
It probably affected her personally, all of this stuff.
02:09:35
And then for it for the war to be over, she was probably like,
02:09:39
Oh my God, that's a burden off my shoulders.
02:09:42
And then she walks into this room and she finds out, oh, you
02:09:45
had this burden and it's off your shoulders.
02:09:47
Let me place a bigger burden on your shoulders still having to
02:09:50
do with this. You know, it's just like, I
02:09:57
mean. Well, shout out to the to the
02:10:01
people, the writers of this show.
02:10:03
I think Rafe, the showrunner actually wrote this episode, so
02:10:07
he did a pretty good job of. Writing this.
02:10:10
A little bit of lore. So they call the the last of the
02:10:16
true IEO die. That was the Gin IEO.
02:10:21
So the J and IEO were the last true IEO.
02:10:24
They were the ones in the wagons, went all the way to
02:10:29
Daiyo waste, built the city of Ruudin and planted the tree.
02:10:35
OK. They didn't really know how to
02:10:37
take care of themselves too much in the waste.
02:10:40
So the IEO that were following them, Lewins group or the
02:10:46
eventual modern day IO? The ones who?
02:10:49
Are protecting them. Were protecting them OK if I'm
02:10:53
not mistaken, sometimes they would help them with food and
02:10:56
stuff, but because they didn't really know how to survive in
02:11:01
the desert they so sort of slowly died off.
02:11:05
That is the the the rumor. But it is possible that some of
02:11:10
them actually left and integrated into the regular
02:11:15
modern day IEO society. So it's possible that not all of
02:11:19
them actually died because there are theories and rumors in the
02:11:24
community that there are some Gen.
02:11:27
IEO who are still around. It's it.
02:11:30
There was even. I'm not going to.
02:11:32
Yeah, When they come up, we'll talk.
02:11:35
We'll we'll put a pin in and come back to this.
02:11:38
But there are rumors that Gene IO didn't completely die out,
02:11:43
that there may have been some that survived that left towards
02:11:47
the end of Ruidian. And the ones who stayed were the
02:11:50
ones that died off. OK.
02:11:53
But they were considered the gene IO.
02:11:55
OK, so Ruidian was this the city that they they had talked about
02:12:00
bid building? So it was like a actual city
02:12:03
with like homes and this is where they lived.
02:12:06
That's where is a little strange because they all, all they had
02:12:09
was wagons and those, those 10 wagons, a lot of them
02:12:15
made in there and and they had all those, what was in the
02:12:20
wagons wasn't just the saplings, they also were carrying a bunch
02:12:26
of sangria. And that you were saying?
02:12:29
And they they dumped them all there and made ABS wheel shaped
02:12:34
city that may have had some domiciles for them to stay in or
02:12:38
they just have the carts. They just stayed in the carts.
02:12:41
But they didn't know anything about building homes and and
02:12:45
doing any of that stuff. So OK, that that's from the
02:12:49
book. I don't know.
02:12:52
I I don't think it is important enough to this story that
02:12:55
they're telling them to show, to go into detail about that.
02:13:00
Especially because we didn't see the others, the Ongrials and
02:13:03
Tarongrial. We didn't see any of them in
02:13:05
the. City OK.
02:13:06
There was a lot of things because in the book it was Rand,
02:13:11
Matt Moraine, what I can't remember if name if, if he Gwen
02:13:19
was there or not, but Matt was with him.
02:13:22
And when he decided to go in, he Matt was like, I'm going too.
02:13:27
And they were like, well, I was like, no, you can't go.
02:13:29
And Rand was like, if I'm going in, Matt's coming with me.
02:13:34
And so Matt actually went in too.
02:13:36
And you we keep seeing the Redstone door frame.
02:13:42
Did we see that? I think so.
02:13:44
We did see that that was actually in Ruidian.
02:13:48
That was there. Matt went into it.
02:13:51
Oh, OK. Yeah, there's some of the stuff
02:13:57
along with that. But yeah, we didn't see any of
02:14:03
Marine's stuff. Everything.
02:14:06
Marine went in and Marine came out and that and we didn't
02:14:09
really get any information, hardly any information on which
02:14:13
he actually saw. You mean in the books?
02:14:15
In the books, OK, Rand goes in and we get 2 chapters of the
02:14:20
stuff he did so but yeah, the the for book readers that was a
02:14:26
big deal for us. OK, finally out.
02:14:29
The 12th one were actually ideal.
02:14:32
I, I can imagine because when I started seeing it and it's like,
02:14:36
again, I'm watching the episode the first time and I'm very slow
02:14:40
on the uptake for some reason, because it was so much
02:14:43
information. And then it's like I started
02:14:45
thinking like, Oh, wait a minute.
02:14:48
Because when I first saw them, I was like, oh, the Tuathawana
02:14:52
part of this. And then when they say you are
02:14:54
no longer IE. And I was like, wait, what?
02:14:57
I was like, how, how is that? Because I was I was sitting
02:15:02
there watching it and I was thinking, oh, Red has ancestors
02:15:06
that are part of the two AT one. Yeah, cool.
02:15:09
Well, that is true, but they were also IE.
02:15:12
Yeah, something else they changed.
02:15:15
So when he was in Ruidian, he found 2 two items, Sangria
02:15:24
angrial, a man, a statue of a man, a little statue of a man
02:15:29
and a little statue of a woman. And those were called access
02:15:33
keys because there are two sangria which are huge statues
02:15:41
like Statue of Liberty statues. Like the ones that were at the
02:15:46
gate in the episode. They may have been reference or
02:15:51
call out, but these two statues, there's one is on an island
02:15:57
Tamalkin, and I can't remember where the other one is, but
02:16:00
they're called the children call and one is of a man and one is
02:16:03
of a woman. I think laughter.
02:16:07
Sadai mentioned them when she was talking to Lou, staring
02:16:10
because they were supposed to use them.
02:16:13
Well, I don't know. No, nevermind.
02:16:15
OK, I'm I'm confused. In the book.
02:16:17
In the book, they were going to use them to try to close the
02:16:19
board. That's what the women wanted to
02:16:21
do. Oh, OK.
02:16:22
And that's not what Lou's wanted to do.
02:16:26
He wanted them to go with him and seal the bore.
02:16:28
They wanted to, But the reason why they didn't use a children
02:16:31
call is that they're so powerful.
02:16:33
One was for a man, 1 was for a woman that they could literally
02:16:36
break the world. So that was one reason why they
02:16:39
didn't want really want to use them.
02:16:41
But Rand found the two access keys.
02:16:44
So I think what they did was they've made calendar be stand
02:16:50
in for the children called and the Sarkoden be a stand in for
02:16:53
the female children call. So they don't have to figure out
02:16:57
how to do these huge statues and have access keys.
02:17:00
It's a whole thing. So just made it short because in
02:17:04
the book the Sarkanon is is actually Sangra for man is
02:17:10
second to calendar. Oh, OK.
02:17:13
In, in terms of use for power, OK, even though we don't see, we
02:17:17
hear about it, but we don't see it until the end of the of the
02:17:20
last book. OK, but the Sarkon then is a
02:17:24
male sangria that they're looking for.
02:17:28
Everyone knows what calendar is, but no one knows what the
02:17:31
Sarkon. Is because they're basically
02:17:33
because they're basically saying the episode they're like OK yeah
02:17:35
so we have calendar and it's here it's it's in stone in this
02:17:40
particular city and we're just going to let war and fear to
02:17:44
protect it so it's kind of like OK this one is just out in the
02:17:47
open anybody can go get this one or anyone can try to go get this
02:17:51
one but the Sarkanin is seem like that one was a little more
02:17:55
sacred and correct me if I'm wrong but is this the same so
02:18:01
angry all that land fear was telling Rand about in the dream
02:18:05
last episode yes OK so that. But they could they could they?
02:18:11
Because at first they thought the children call would be able
02:18:14
to destroy the Dark 1, and here she's saying the same thing with
02:18:20
the. With calendar.
02:18:22
Starkoning in the calendar, we could probably destroy the Dark
02:18:26
One. OK, now given the fact that
02:18:30
Moraine has the Starkoning, I'm going to assume that's probably
02:18:35
why Lamphere is killing her in so many versions of the the
02:18:39
Will. She's probably looking for that
02:18:41
so she can so she can break from her dark oaths if that is really
02:18:46
what she wants to do, or so she can use it for some other
02:18:50
nefarious means. Interesting.
02:18:54
OK. Or she's killing her because she
02:18:56
doesn't have it. That's neither here nor there.
02:18:59
Yeah, as of right now, we know she has it so.
02:19:03
Yeah, if she has a Sarkon, then that is the most powerful
02:19:07
Sangreal that a woman can have, and if she can figure out how to
02:19:11
use it, then she should be equal to or even more powerful than
02:19:18
the Forsaken. OK, and she will probably need
02:19:22
that if Laffier is going to kill her.
02:19:24
So yeah, so now she's like, she's probably like, I need to
02:19:27
learn how to use this thing because.
02:19:30
I'm not about to have my next nice.
02:19:32
Right. Right, OK.
02:19:34
Well, that could have been motivation for her to get to
02:19:37
work. Yeah, after she recovers for
02:19:41
from being in there for seven days, right.
02:19:45
So yeah. But you know her, she's going,
02:19:47
she'll be like, she'll be like at 5:00 in the morning.
02:19:49
All right, let's go. We got to go.
02:19:50
Let's go ahead and hit it. No, it's just going to be her
02:19:53
because I, I, I would assume that she would probably want to
02:19:58
keep that to herself because it will, it will almost be kind of
02:20:02
like Matt with the horn, like you don't want to draw any undue
02:20:07
attention to yourself with this really rare object that could
02:20:12
be, you know, that could elevate somebody else's power.
02:20:16
I mean, if it gets out that Moraine has it, granted she's
02:20:19
with the IEO right now and I don't think anybody there would
02:20:24
try to take it from her or. Tell anyone else, but you never
02:20:28
know. And Laffier keeps popping up and
02:20:30
shit, she keeps popping up in dreams.
02:20:32
If she says something to like, rant, or if she says something
02:20:35
to Dwayne and they think about it.
02:20:37
I don't know how that works. She might be able to sense that
02:20:40
in them through their dreams. So yeah, I wouldn't tell nobody.
02:20:44
I had it. That will be my little secrets.
02:20:48
Now I have one other question that I have when when Land and E
02:20:52
Gwain are sitting by the fire and they're talking about them
02:20:56
being gone and Ewain says you know we should go after them.
02:21:00
It's been 7 days and Lamb was like well they wanted us to stay
02:21:03
here and you see him and he looks like he's crying.
02:21:08
Was he able to feel what Moraine was going through?
02:21:12
Andrew it in. I don't know.
02:21:16
OK. I don't know because I don't.
02:21:19
I don't know if, if. I mean, because the, as far as
02:21:23
we know, the Marines can master bond.
02:21:26
We don't. We don't know.
02:21:28
He could have just been sad because it's been several days
02:21:31
and she could be dead and he can't feel her.
02:21:35
OK, yeah, that if she could. Feel her.
02:21:37
He would know that she was alive and he he would be OK because
02:21:43
this is. Unless he felt what she was
02:21:45
going through and then he probably would have been like
02:21:47
man fuck y'all and y'all rules. I need to go to Ruidian, which
02:21:51
would have been a bad thing. That would so if he did feel her
02:21:54
and felt what she was going through, he would have tried to
02:21:57
go after her. His, the the they can't help it.
02:22:02
Yeah. But if he can't feel her, he he
02:22:07
and and chances are she probably masked a bomb before she went in
02:22:10
anyway. Yeah, yeah, OK.
02:22:14
Yeah, 'cause he just looked so heartbroken.
02:22:18
Yeah, 'cause it's been 7 days, yeah.
02:22:21
And they know that people, wise ones, go in and don't come out,
02:22:25
and guys want to be clam chiefs go in and don't come out.
02:22:29
Like Savannah's new husband, she's twice widowed now, so I
02:22:33
guess, I guess the new step. On to the next one.
02:22:35
Right. I was going to say, I guess the
02:22:37
other stepson is about to become the the new husband.
02:22:41
That's so weird but OK. I know 22 buddies, 2 buddies.
02:22:45
Such a wuss. I don't know if I want to say
02:22:50
he's a wuss, He's just a little overzealous.
02:22:55
You know, you know, you know how I am.
02:22:56
It's like I I don't care you. I'll use a what's until proven
02:22:59
otherwise. That's how that's how I felt
02:23:01
about Rand and Matt. So till they proved otherwise
02:23:03
and I was like, OK, they're not not cool.
02:23:05
I can admit it. Yeah, I guess so.
02:23:11
Yeah, literally that was pretty much the entire episode was
02:23:14
watching them go through their their trials, I guess.
02:23:20
But again, lots of information. And I'm sure there's probably
02:23:25
other things that I'll probably think of afterwards.
02:23:27
Like, OK, so this part does this mean this?
02:23:32
But I'm just, I'm a kind of give my brain a break because this
02:23:35
was this was a lot. It was a lot.
02:23:39
The whole thing with Marine's uncle and then the reveal about
02:23:42
Rand and his father, which I kind of figured Tam wasn't his
02:23:45
father, you know, because of what happened when we saw the
02:23:51
flashback. But to kind of watch it through
02:23:55
Rand's eyes and for him to make that realization that, oh, my
02:23:59
dad was I ill? And then like, now is he going
02:24:03
to start questioning, OK, if my mother wasn't I ill, who was
02:24:06
she? Like, are we going to get that
02:24:07
information in the show? I don't know.
02:24:10
I'm not asking Anthony. So you don't have to try to
02:24:12
spoil anything. But I think the fact that, you
02:24:16
know, we have heard about the missing daughter heir and now,
02:24:21
you know, just kind of going through these episodes and
02:24:23
seeing that that could possibly have been Rand's mother, I think
02:24:27
that's an interesting connection, especially as it as
02:24:31
it relates to like Elaine and and her mother and.
02:24:34
And yeah, and they would make him royalty and the rightful
02:24:38
heir of Andor. Well, no, because he's a man, so
02:24:42
he wouldn't be the heir of Andor.
02:24:44
Now let me ask you a question for the Andorians.
02:24:47
If there is no if there is no daughter born, can the sons
02:24:51
inherit? You.
02:24:52
You. I have no idea.
02:24:54
You may have to go to your encyclopedia.
02:24:55
Look that up. OK.
02:24:57
I don't think that's something Robert Jordan considered.
02:24:59
OK, OK, so. You you would find the female
02:25:04
heir somewhere, OK. If not, you would have another
02:25:09
war for the throne until somebody won.
02:25:14
OK, so. Which is what happened when the
02:25:19
Queen before Morguez died. She didn't have the daughter
02:25:22
here. Yeah, because her daughter here
02:25:24
disappeared. And so there was a war for the
02:25:28
throne, and one one of the distant relatives got the
02:25:32
throne. So so.
02:25:35
OK. And all of that, now that I
02:25:38
think about it, all of that took place around the same time,
02:25:40
didn't it? So there's a succession war over
02:25:46
in and or, and then there's the IU war over in Cariann.
02:25:51
OK, All right. Because I just thought about it
02:25:54
was like, they're all this, they're all about the same age.
02:25:56
So. OK, OK, Mike, I'm sure you have
02:26:03
some shout outs. Yes, shout out to Jenai pulling
02:26:08
that cart without without a horse.
02:26:12
Bro. Listen.
02:26:16
And then Adon is just like he grabs.
02:26:18
The grabs, I'm like, what are you doing?
02:26:20
Just get in the car. It'd be easier if you just got
02:26:22
in the car. I mean he.
02:26:23
Was trying to help so. Lots of but I was like damn
02:26:28
you're strong as horse. Also shout out to makeup and
02:26:32
costuming in this episode in particular for putting all that
02:26:36
put all the prosthetics on on him so that he could look like
02:26:40
so you could look different in like 5 different ways.
02:26:43
Stand out to Yosef for for acting his ass off.
02:26:47
Yeah, Yosemite off. Do you hear me?
02:26:50
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, Yoshi needs to get
02:26:53
nominated this year. This is he.
02:26:55
He's doing, he's doing an outstanding job and just in 4
02:27:00
episodes he's doing really good. Shout out to my dog parent for
02:27:03
having dreads. See, now you got to cut my
02:27:05
dreads 'cause he had some and he looked intimidating as fucking
02:27:10
that dread. I was like, oh shit.
02:27:13
And they're probably all channeling the true power.
02:27:19
I'm just like, oh, this is just bad.
02:27:20
That's I don't I don't like I kind of like it, but I don't
02:27:24
like it. I'm.
02:27:24
Like name this album cover. Right, exactly.
02:27:29
This is this is some damn, this is the like, just call him, call
02:27:33
him black folk. Great.
02:27:34
Like damn, like. The Dread Lords, the Dread, it's
02:27:38
so dark, it's. Like it's ADC movie.
02:27:41
I mean, shoot the Forsaken that that's the Forsaken of
02:27:46
Manatherin. There you go.
02:27:49
Right. Which sounds so so bad.
02:27:52
Like no forsaken Manatherin, those two don't go together.
02:27:58
No. Yeah, and yeah, again, this is a
02:28:04
great episode. I mean, they're, they're,
02:28:07
they're starting to ramp up. And I'm like, 'cause before I, I
02:28:11
was doubtful about the show, but I'm like, I'm all in, 'cause
02:28:14
it's something new. It's something kind of new for
02:28:16
me. And I'm actually learning a lot
02:28:18
about like this whole series. So I'm really excited and I'm
02:28:23
really looking forward-looking, forward to watching and learning
02:28:26
more about this world 'cause this world is actually getting
02:28:29
really fascinating to me. And we're already halfway
02:28:33
through the third season. Yep and just gotta wait for the
02:28:37
next season. Yeah, hopefully it won't.
02:28:41
Hopefully it won't be such a long wait 'cause I mean, we're
02:28:44
in early 2025 now, so maybe we can get it, I don't know, mid
02:28:53
late 2026 instead of 2027. They haven't even renewed it
02:28:57
yet. They haven't.
02:29:00
They haven't. Announced it.
02:29:01
They need to. They need to I thought they.
02:29:05
Did OK. Because how would you look at
02:29:07
these 4 episodes and be like, OK, yeah, we're not.
02:29:09
We're just not going to. We're not going to do anything
02:29:11
for the next. I mean, look at what look at
02:29:13
what to do with Shadow and Bone. They only gave him 2 episodes
02:29:16
and we were looking forward to 1/3 and.
02:29:18
That's what you know. Yeah, but but let's be honest,
02:29:21
Shadow and Bone, even as a book series is nowhere near as
02:29:24
popular as the real time. So you know they the The Wheel
02:29:31
of Time has a massive, massive following and fan base.
02:29:36
Yeah, yeah. No, as of as of elev April 11th,
02:29:40
it has not been officially renewed for Season 4.
02:29:44
Wow OK Amazon, I need y'all to get on this shit.
02:29:51
The show probably cost cost some money.
02:29:53
You know, if they would cut that dead weight, the ring of power,
02:29:58
they can have some. They could add that to their
02:30:00
budget. But they can't do ring of power,
02:30:02
can they? Because isn't ring of power like
02:30:05
they they automatically have five seasons?
02:30:07
They they'll like them the five seasons.
02:30:09
Yeah, so you didn't like the Ring of Power?
02:30:12
Oh, you know what? That's a conversation for
02:30:13
another day. This conversation for another
02:30:16
day. Do y'all have anything else to
02:30:18
say about this episode? We are halfway through the
02:30:21
season. It is not the Ring of Power.
02:30:24
How about that? And on that note, that is it for
02:30:29
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