#thewheeloftime Lanfear proposes an alliance with some of the Forsaken, but secret alliances may become a problem for her. Elayne and Nynaeve begin to uncover clues about the Black Ajah. Perrin and Alanna find a common thread in their grief, while she and Maksim struggle to connect despite their shared grief. Liandrin has an eventful return to the place she once called home. Lanfear shows a brief moment of vulnerability with Rand. Aviendha's is called to a higher purpose. Lan finds an unexpected reminder of his home. Mat and Min struggle to make amends with each other. Elaida Sedai begins to test the bonds of the White Tower. Liandrin reveals her plans for The Dragon Reborn.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and we are discussing season 3, Episode 3
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of the Wheel of Time series. And unfortunately, Mike is not
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joining us tonight because he's off recording a panel for one of
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the Dragon contracts. That's a valid excuse.
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It's a valid excuse and I would say I will speak for him when it
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comes to the Matt part of this segment because I know that he
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was hyped at the end of this episode when Matt got his other
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shining moments. So Mike, we representing you.
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But anyway, let's start this off.
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So I think when we discussed episode 2, I don't think Mike
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was fully aware that he was kind of calling it right when he said
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that Gabriel was probably a forsaken.
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I mean, you know, I knew because we had already seen the episode,
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but. Well, yeah, but even when, even
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before, when I watched episode and I knew you hadn't watched it
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yet, I wanted to tell you so bad.
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I was like, Oh, my God, they did it because, you know, we all
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know already the book readers, we already already know.
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And they do a good job of, of dropping a few little things
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that Mike picked up on. Like it just seemed a little
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weird that Leanna was like, Lord Developers was like, oh, Lord
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Gabriel. Yeah.
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And even when Elaine came up to him, she was just like Gabriel.
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And I was like, what was this weird before I, you know, before
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all of that, What was that weird pause?
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And it just seemed, it just seemed kind of weird for those
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two, especially because of, like I said, Leanna is one of the
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probably one of the most Immaculate people on this show,
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not just in her manner of dress, but just the way she presents
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herself. Like she makes no mistakes.
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So for her to do that in front of the hall, it was kind of
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like, OK, maybe not quite a red flag.
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It might have been like a pink flag, like somewhere in between,
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just kind of like, hmm, OK, something's not right about
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that. And then when Elaine did it, it
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was weird. But I think the interesting
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thing about all of that is when. So when he is presented to
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Salon, Salon is like, off the bat, she was like, Lord Gabriel,
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it's such a pleasure to see you as always.
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And I was like, wow, is she really that susceptible to
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compulsion? Yeah, again, they don't have a,
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they don't have a defense to it. They don't even know how to do
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it. I don't.
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They don't even know what it is. Yeah, and I get that part, but
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I. Think.
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I think the thing for me is the fact that Liana and Elaine both
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hesitated before addressing him and Salon was just kind of like
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you doing like there was no, there was no moment of who is
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this person? So I just wonder if that has if
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that might signal how strong or her how weak her mind may be
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towards compulsion as opposed to other people.
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It it's probably more of a sign of the kind of personality you
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may have, because Leanna's personality is to be very
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stringent and strict and hard headed, right?
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Elaine is sort of the same way. Swan had already admitted that
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she had kind of gotten lackadaisical in her position.
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Right. So she probably not.
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Maybe a younger swan would probably be slightly resistant
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to it, but not this version. OK, she's So if if you were to
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if you were to tell me this or say that to me, I would like, I
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could buy that. I also don't want to put it past
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the writers for doing it just so they can plant the idea in our
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heads that something isn't right.
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Yeah. And the other thing I was
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thinking was the other I guess kind of sort of explanation
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could be that what whatever he does for compulsion, like I'm
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going to assume that he's probably sending out his own
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weaves. But again, we can't see them.
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I was thinking that maybe when Leanna stumbled, he sent
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something out across the room like, OK, this is who I am and
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this is what y'all know about me.
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And maybe that's why Suwan didn't have a hesitation because
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Leanna spoke before Suan did. So at that point, whatever he
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was, he was still implanting. Yeah, it it it already kind of
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planted in her head. But either way, though, it was
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just it was really weird. But now we know the reason
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because he is one of the Forsaken.
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And they confirmed that in the opening scene of this episode
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where you have land fair him and Samael was the other one.
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And it's interesting watching land Fear with these other two
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Forsaken because she very much seems in control of this
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situation when she's talking to them and when she's talking
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about Mogadian and she's telling them, OK, yeah, we need to kind
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of watch for her and Robin, which is Gabriel's Forsaken
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name. He was like, are we supposed to
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be scared of her? She was like, look, she is
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probably dangerous because what she's doing is she's kind of
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working her way up all the way to the top.
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She'll probably, she said to Samuel, she said she'll probably
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start with you because you're the weakest of us all, and then
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she'll work her way up to me. And she used a term that I meant
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to write down. Nabeless.
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Yes. What is that?
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Nabeless is the title given to the the one the Dark One talks
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to their leader. So yes, Shamaya was the nablist.
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OK. Before he died or quote UN quote
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died and everybody. Keeps saying he died, Landfair
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says he died. Everybody else says he's died.
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I think he's dead. Well, the The Dark 1 hasn't
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named the new 1 yet. This is true.
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This is true. And has already given them the
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ability to be immortal so. Yeah, but I find it interesting.
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So again, this is like a month after they have been set free.
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So this is where landfills like, oh, you have lipstick on your on
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your collar. You already have someone in your
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bed. You've only been free for a
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month. He was like, yeah, well, anybody
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who meets me and her talking about queen more gays, they
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think that we've been hopelessly in love for the past 10 years.
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And I was just like, wow. Because literally everybody
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like, what was it that Elaine said in the last episode?
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The most the most well liked Prince, Queen Consort.
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Queen Consort. Yeah.
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So I was like, oh, OK, so they have their little powwow and
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they're talking about dynamics, about ho oh how we need to team
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up against Mogadian because she's going to come for us all
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and blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Then when Samael and Laffy or
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leave, who comes out the shadows?
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Softly, softly from the. Shadows but Mogadian and I was
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like this dude, he is playing all the angles and again she
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when she walks up to him and she's kind of like it's almost
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like she's trying to be childlike in her in her
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appearance and and the way she acts.
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But there's something so sinister about her and it's just
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so, it's so disarming because when you look at her and she
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talks with a soft voice like this and da, da, da, da, da.
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And she kind of sings songs, a lot of her lines and just she
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comes across like she's innocent.
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But then all you have to do is look at her eyes.
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Her eyes are not. She is not there.
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No, she's. Not all there.
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And I was just like, OK, so. Please stop flickering with the
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shadows. She's, she's yeah, she's crazy.
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But we, we get, we get some pretty good exposition, though.
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Like, you know, the last time we did this, we spend more time
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fighting each other, you know, and she already is Celine or I'm
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sorry, Lanfiere is already putting like wedges.
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She didn't invite Semiraj and Grendel to the meeting.
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Like what? What is that about?
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Like you, you. And of course, it was like Gabe
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was like, well, I'll just send them your regards and let them
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know where the plan is. And she's like, wait, what?
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Yeah, because what Samuel said something to him by you always
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prattling and talking to people. And Laffer was like ever the
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politician. And when he said that, he looked
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at, Samuel said, you know, because I'm always prattling
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with somebody else. So, but you see, he's he's
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playing, he's got his stuff, you know, he's got his little
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alliance with Lance, Fear and Samuel, and he got his alliance
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with Grendel and Samrage and he got his alliance with Morganian.
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So he he playing all the sides. But like they said they they're
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trying to do, a couple of them were trying to do things
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differently than the last time because didn't work out for
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them. Yeah, and like Mogadian said,
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she said I don't want to spend another 3000 years in someone's
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cage. Yeah, she was like, you know,
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because I think was it Landfair or was it Raven who called her a
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coward? And she was like coward.
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He was like, well, you know, I had, you know, she also said you
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were smart. And she said, yeah, I have to
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be. I don't want to spend 3000 years
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in somebody else's cage. Yeah, like, yeah, this is going
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to be interesting to see how how that dynamic with the Forsaken
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happened. But let me ask you a question.
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What is the pecking order for the for second in the books From
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the from least dangerous to most dangerous?
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In the books, well, that's hard. Well, of the ones who we're
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being presented with, because there are 13 total, but they're
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only bringing in eight for the show.
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OK. OK, so of the ones that we have,
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Ishmael was probably the most powerful #1 landfill will be #2
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so he is as powerful as any man could be with the one power, and
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she is as powerful as any woman could be.
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Yeah. OK.
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And then because how many? I still have hopes that Asmodian
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would be 1, but anyway. And then maybe Robin.
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OK. And then?
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Which that makes sense to me because if you're forming
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alliances with all of the other ones separately, you're probably
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smarter than the average person as far as you're using very
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tactical skills, as far as like, OK, let me not put all my eggs
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in one basket. Hold on.
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Let let me back up. Let me back up.
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OK, In the books it would be probably Ishmael, Lamphier,
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maybe Cimarrog, Grendel, Van Robin and Van Moghedian.
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And where does Samayel fall in that?
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Him. Him.
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And in the book, he's probably right around, right around
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Robin. OK.
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So. But in the show, clearly
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Lamphere is 2, as she should be, and Meganian is the weakest, as
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she should be. OK, now here's the question
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additionally that I have. It seems to me as if we're
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missing 1 Forsaking because every time they talk about the
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Forsaken, even when Landfill is talking about the Forsaken, when
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she had conversations with Ishmael, when she's had
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conversations with Moraine, she always mentions 6.
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They always mention six. So aside from Landfill, you have
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Raven, Samael, Mogadian, and then Grendel and the other one
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that you mentioned, there's one that they haven't mentioned yet.
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Who is that? It's probably Asmolian.
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OK. But I don't know because it's
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it's hard, it's hard to to figure it out because they're
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it's probably Asmodian, but that makes 7 and then landfill would
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make 8. OK.
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Right. So it's probably Asmodian or it
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could be the Madrid because there's there's another one who
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who really doesn't show up in the book until the end.
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And one of the questions in the book is where the hell is he?
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Like what is he doing? What is what is going on?
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He shows up at the end. Does he have the same name as
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Moraine's last name? Did you just?
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Say it's very it's very close. Oh, OK.
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It's like the mandred or something like.
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That oh OK, OK, nice. It's.
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Very. It's very close.
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They're spelled very similarly. I always get confused but no
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it's he's not in that's that's his first name.
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Oh, OK. Well, that's his forsaken name.
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OK. The the the mandred or something
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like that. The Mandred.
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OK, OK. I would have to see it.
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It's been a while, but I have to see it.
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OK, yeah. So yeah, I I kept thinking about
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that because I'm like when Lanfiere talks, she says the 6th
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because even when she was talking to Master Dolman and
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Thong, she was telling him about the I forgot what he the.
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Seagulls. The yes and the seagulls,
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something about I'll have six of them for you to throw overboard.
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And I was like, OK, she keeps saying 666, but we've only had
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five names, so I'm like, OK, whoever this last one is, that's
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going to be the one. I feel that when they introduce
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it, it's going to turn everything on its head because
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they're doing so much to keep the identity of that 61
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concealed. OK, I did a quick search.
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There's one that they haven't mentioned by name, so that could
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be either be Asmodian or Damodrid.
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OK, it probably won't be Agonor and Bilal because they die very
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early. Oh OK, books.
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I think they die in the Eye of the world in that battle and
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Masonic could be the other one she in the book she hid in the
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tower. Oh.
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And that's all I'm going to say. See you saying that.
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There are three potential the three potential forsaken that
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the the last one could be Asmodean, the Madrid and Masana.
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It probably won't be. If they do anything, they'll
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combine the Madrid and Asmodean. OK.
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But it depends on some events that happen later.
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Right, OK. And I was going to say what you
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just said about her hiding in the tower.
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I was going to be like, oh, that's the one who's been
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composing. But no, because she was, she was
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sealed up until a month ago, so she wouldn't have had anything
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to do with that. But that's still.
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But remember, they're all really good at compulsion.
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Yeah. So even if she could do what
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Robin did and she could have been there a month and they
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think she's been a novice for six months.
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Yeah, but now I was just thinking like, we still haven't
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figured out who compulsed Sherry and Sadai.
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Yeah, because that would have had to be really good because
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Naomi is not that good. Yeah, with with the compulsion
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she's doing is like whoever whoever showed her how to do it
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or however she figured it out is it's still they didn't even they
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they didn't show her exactly how to do it.
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And I don't think she what she's doing is really considered
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compulsion because compulsion is really when you're making
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someone do something else. She is doing more of the memory
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altering thing, like she's making people forget things.
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Well, compulsion is, is a you're messing with a person's memory
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and their state of being. Because you see, Gabriel has
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used it to Robin has used it to implant memories in everybody's
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head, not just to make them do things.
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Yeah. So that is a that is a form of
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compulsion. So they didn't show her who
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whoever showed her, however, she feed it out is not a perfect
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form. So she's she's got the memory
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part imperfectly where she alters.
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She can't really alter memories. She can blast them away.
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It's almost like what is the one in Harry Potter Obliviate.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's like Obliviate with
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Ron's wand. OK, but you know that if you
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think about what we've seen of Naomi in this particular episode
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when when they are in Tan Chico and she makes the the girl
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forget even when she's doing that, Leandron tells her she was
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like, you know, you can she can make you forget some things.
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And Naomi says it's not exact, like she'll forget more than
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just this. So she didn't have precise
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control over which she's. Doing Yeah.
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So if you think about it, maybe that could explain her doing
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Sharium, said I because when Sharium was having the
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conversation with Baron and she was trying to determine where
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Elaine and I need were, it's almost like she was struggling
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to remember. I remember.
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And I think if Naomi's, if her ability is imperfect, then that
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could explain that because you would think if she could control
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it, she would plant the memory to Sharon's.
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Not like, Oh yeah, I signed them out and it would have been a
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little more, maybe a little more flawless than we thought.
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So I guess that does make sense, especially now since we know.
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Kind of the extent of what these Black Aja women are are willing
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to do and how far they're willing to go.
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And I remember I said something about them not knowing.
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They do know of compulsion, they just don't know how to do it
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because remember, they're like, it seems like Sharim.
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So that was, well, they don't. They don't know how to do it
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though. Maybe they have experimented
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with it to try to figure it out, but it's very dangerous even to
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experiment with. Yeah, because she's a brown
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Osher, so she probably has been stuck in the library reading,
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trying. To reading about.
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How to do certain things like, OK, well I know that this gift
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or this skill has been lost, let me see if I can find out how to
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do it. And maybe that's why it's
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imperfect for her, too. Yeah, and who knows who she's
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been experimenting on? That right?
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A lot of people walking around with messed up memories and
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stuff. Right.
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Or maybe some novices that she's like, OK, nobody's going to pay
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attention to what they say anyway.
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How many stilled men that they've been studying that she's
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done it to? Ah.
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Yes, because that's what they do when they.
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That's what the ground out of them.
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And OK. That's a lot to think about.
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It is. And that that makes her more
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diabolical. Yeah, And I mean, even even when
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we see her in this episode, she looks a little more, she does
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look a little more diabolical, to use that term, because when
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we first met her, she seemed like a sweet girl, you know, oh,
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very. And blah, blah, blah, da da, da.
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And then when we saw her in the first episode, it's almost like
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she had a complete personality change.
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And then in this episode, it just seemed like she seemed
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more, I don't want to say angry. She seemed like a much harder
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person, if I can say it that way.
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She is just like when Leandra was like, OK, alter her memory
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and she was like, OK, I can do that, but it's not going to be
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the same. And she does it.
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But before she even gets to that part, when they start
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slaughtering everybody in the house and Leandron calls her
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over, the look on her face when she turns, oh, when she turns
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around, you could tell she was enjoying what they.
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Were doing, yeah. And I was just like, oh, this is
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it's just so weird to me to kind of put together in my head that
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these are sisters who used to be iced to die.
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They were supposed to be about the light.
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They were supposed to be about helping people, blah, blah,
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blah. And now you turn completely on
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your head. But then it also makes it easier
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for me to understand because the forsaking used to also be
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Isodai, right? Yes.
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So it's just like, wow, you can take things kind of like what
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Mike has been saying. You don't know who to trust.
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You know, the show makes you think that these are the good
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people, and then they turn out to be the bad people.
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And it's kind of like they're showing us the path to get from
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A-Z. I've been fighting this battle,
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you know, in the real world about the Jedi and how people
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think the Jedi are evil now because of act like it's the
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same with the eyes to that. There's still people and they
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still have desires. They still have wants, they
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still have ambition. And you know, even we'll, we'll
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talk about talk about the two stilled Black Aja sisters.
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One of them What what did she say about the yellow Aja?
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She was like, how many people did she think she was healing?
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But she was basically torturing them.
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Yes. Well, you can't take away who a
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person is inside of them, so of course she would join the black
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object, you know, so she could torture people.
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Yes, because that's what she Yes, because she said, she said
00:24:01
you're going to trust Amico. How many people did she did she
00:24:06
say that she was going to save? And really she wasn't like, she
00:24:10
basically she was lying to people that she was supposed to
00:24:13
be helping. And then so it's.
00:24:17
So even with the Forsaken, they were all ambitious people who
00:24:21
had who had things they wanted and they couldn't get them as
00:24:24
odds to die. So the promise of more power and
00:24:27
the ability to do what you want to do, yeah, it's very powerful
00:24:31
for people like that. Yeah, and, and it it does
00:24:34
corrupt power corrupts. We always talk about it.
00:24:37
Yeah, let's talk about it. Power corrupts and.
00:24:39
And especially if you make a deal with the Dark One is
00:24:43
definitely going to corrupt you. That's his whole thing is.
00:24:47
From Harry Potter as well. So it's like when you think
00:24:50
about it, a lot of these a lot of these stores where you're
00:24:53
always talking about good and evil.
00:24:54
And I think we had this conversation on a previous show,
00:24:58
you know, when we're kids, we believe in the concept of good
00:25:02
and evil. And there is no middle ground.
00:25:03
It's like the good people are good, the bad people are bad.
00:25:06
And, and those are the only two ways to look at it.
00:25:09
And then as we get older, as we go through life, as we go
00:25:14
through emotions and relationships and, you know,
00:25:18
jobs and trials and disappointments and all that
00:25:20
stuff, we start to learn that the world is not black and
00:25:23
white. There are Shades of Grey.
00:25:25
And I think that's the same thing with any, with any subset
00:25:29
that we talk about in in these shows.
00:25:32
There's yeah, you might have one or two good people, really,
00:25:36
really good people. And then you might have one or
00:25:38
two really, really bad people. But then more often than not,
00:25:43
you have people that are kind of sort of in the middle, in the
00:25:46
middle, you know, just come thinking of just the first one
00:25:52
that's coming to mind right now. The whole thing with Captain
00:25:55
America and the Super soldiers and thinking about Zemo's
00:26:00
argument about, yeah, the Super soldier serum, it kind of makes
00:26:04
you more of who you were. Steve Rogers was already a good
00:26:07
person through and through, so it just made him more of that.
00:26:10
And then you think about people like Bucky, who he started out
00:26:13
as good, and then because of things that happened to him and
00:26:17
him being brainwashed, he ended up being bad.
00:26:19
And now he's kind of sort of in the middle because he still
00:26:22
wants to be good. But he could still turn on that
00:26:24
Winter Soldier if he has to. It's just, you know, with the
00:26:27
eyes to die. It's just, Oh my God, there's
00:26:31
just there's so many layers to them now, you know, that that
00:26:36
we're seeing. But anyway, so since we started
00:26:41
talking about Naomi and the black Aja, let's go there
00:26:46
because when we see them. You talk about a Red Wedding.
00:26:52
Listen, the way they were coming through those streets and
00:26:56
they're all like dolled up and Leandra looks like Christina
00:27:01
Aguilera did in the Lady Marmalade video with with the D
00:27:06
Snyder hair and the red lace and everything.
00:27:09
That's who she reminded me of. But all of them, they're coming
00:27:12
through, they're very fancy. They look like they've got, you
00:27:14
know, they're all dressed up and they've got somewhere to go.
00:27:17
And what we find out is where they have gone is I guess this
00:27:21
is Lee Andrew's old home from when she was a child.
00:27:24
And we do see a little bit or we hear a little bit of her out of
00:27:29
her back story here because the person there's a wedding going
00:27:33
on and the guy who is getting married, it's like the great,
00:27:37
great grandson of the person who was her husband and he is
00:27:43
marrying a child bride and this. Trigger.
00:27:46
Talk about a trigger, Yeah? Listen, I don't even know if
00:27:52
trigger is strong enough for words.
00:27:54
I don't think it is either. It's it's not, but she comes in
00:27:57
and she interrupts the wedding and when the guy says who he is,
00:28:02
she's like, oh, you must be the great, great grandson of the man
00:28:05
I called husband. She was like, but you know, he
00:28:08
didn't treat me to a wedding, you know, and my marriage bed
00:28:11
was in the basically saying it was in the dungeons.
00:28:14
And, you know, she kind of made reference to the fact that he
00:28:18
was not pleased when he found out she was going to, she was
00:28:23
pregnant. And again, like I said, this is
00:28:26
triggering her. And then when she goes over, she
00:28:28
looks at the bride, she lifts the veil, she sees the child.
00:28:30
She's like another child. And you could just see, I was
00:28:33
like, oh, it's about to be some shit.
00:28:36
But I was not expecting the carnage that they unleashed.
00:28:42
But I I would assume that all the other people who were in
00:28:45
there were probably part of that family.
00:28:48
And if she has those kinds of feelings towards that family,
00:28:51
like the dude was like, get your hands off of her, she's mine.
00:28:55
The engine turned around and with the one power stuck her
00:29:00
hand in this man's chest and pulled his heart out.
00:29:07
I was like, Oh yes, Leandro definitely has all of whatever,
00:29:14
whatever leash, whatever cage she was in before where she kind
00:29:18
of held back. Oh, she is holding nothing back
00:29:20
now. Oh, she don't have to hide now.
00:29:23
Yeah, yeah, she. Don't have to hide how she
00:29:26
really feels. So she tore his heart out.
00:29:28
And then she looks at them and she was like, what did she say?
00:29:32
Do your do your best or don't? Oh, she said.
00:29:35
Don't hold. Back.
00:29:35
Don't hold back, yeah. Don't hold back.
00:29:39
And they went to town, killing everybody who was there for that
00:29:43
wedding except for the bride. And like we said, we had, she
00:29:46
had Naomi come and kind of take those memories away from that
00:29:49
bride. But I was just like, these are
00:29:52
some dangerous women 'cause she only had what it was her, Naomi
00:29:56
Jane, the cute little girl and. It's been.
00:30:02
It's been. I think it's been.
00:30:05
I think so. So it was only like 5 of them
00:30:09
total, maybe 6. Yeah.
00:30:11
And for them to do that damage to Carnage, I was like, oh, I
00:30:15
don't know if this is going to be a good thing.
00:30:18
Well, it's the one power versus people who don't.
00:30:23
This is true. And there is a green, I think
00:30:26
and the red, yeah, there. And again, one power versus
00:30:33
people who don't, it's a mismatch.
00:30:36
And none of those people in there were warriors.
00:30:37
They're all nobility, probably. Was Leanne, well we don't know
00:30:46
much about Leanne Jen's so-called husband like this is
00:30:48
the first time she's actually mentioned a husband.
00:30:52
So I was going to say was he probably nobility as well?
00:30:55
Because. This is a nice area that they're
00:30:58
having this wedding in. This is the Manor and then it
00:31:03
has a dungeon, so it's probably a Manor house, which he either
00:31:09
has money, which would mean he's in the upper class.
00:31:14
So and it's a very old family too.
00:31:20
So I'm, I mean, I'm making some assumptions, but yeah, ain't
00:31:26
none of them warriors. That's the bottom line.
00:31:29
Ain't nobody in there to fight. No.
00:31:33
And and that's why I was like, you kind of see that the black
00:31:38
Osher really are kind of, I guess revealing who they are
00:31:42
because y'all didn't have to do all of that.
00:31:43
Y'all could have killed them easy and it could have been
00:31:46
quick. It could have been not as messy.
00:31:50
But it's like you guys are free to do whatever you want now and
00:31:55
you are releasing that. And it's like, oh, is this?
00:32:01
Is this who you were under, under their eyes and eye mask
00:32:04
all alone. Like you are reveling in being
00:32:08
bloody and being cruel and being it was a lot.
00:32:13
Yeah. It was a lot.
00:32:14
I mean, but I mean, we kind of knew that from the first episode
00:32:17
because the fact that you could be in the hall killing your
00:32:21
sisters the way that you did. Like they split one girl in
00:32:24
half, split her in half. And she was throwing those
00:32:29
things around. They're like she was trying to
00:32:30
cut everybody in half. So yeah.
00:32:35
OK, so we're going to stick a pin in the black Ajas in Tan
00:32:39
Chico because we got to talk about how we get to Tan Chico
00:32:42
and how we learned that this is where Leandron is.
00:32:46
So we're going to take it back to the tower because there's
00:32:49
also a lot going on in the tower.
00:32:52
OK, So do we. Do we want to talk about a light
00:32:56
up to die because this chick. She is OK.
00:33:02
We talked about the last episode.
00:33:04
I love her to death. The actress, yes, I'm not going
00:33:07
to try to sugar with the shy Shura Agdashlu.
00:33:11
Shura Agdashlu, she is amazing and Eliza is so manipulative.
00:33:21
Like every time she opens her mouth I feel like I need to go
00:33:24
take a shower. Yes, yes, but before we get into
00:33:29
her manipulative nature, I have to ask what is the deal with the
00:33:32
bracelet and the shakes? That's new.
00:33:35
That's original to this show. Oh, OK, So you don't really know
00:33:38
what's going on with that. OK, just so we know the the
00:33:42
bracelet does have some significance because she says so
00:33:45
to men later on. But because she was having the
00:33:47
shakes and I was like, what is going on with her?
00:33:51
And I was like, is she being possessed?
00:33:53
Is she just old and trying to hide?
00:33:56
Like I didn't know what was going on.
00:33:58
Let let me let me tell you something.
00:34:01
So there are a lot of objects of power floating around different
00:34:08
kind of terrain grill and sound grill.
00:34:11
Some of them are small. OK.
00:34:14
And sometimes they'll put them on bracelets or necklaces, OK,
00:34:19
or hair Nets to increase their power or be storage, thinking
00:34:27
like thumb drives, they will hold power for you.
00:34:30
You can serve it away. So, yeah, so it's possible.
00:34:35
I'm thinking that that is a bracelet of some tarangrial.
00:34:39
OK, so angrial. So angrial, so maybe.
00:34:43
OK. But I don't know if that's what
00:34:46
she's using to help with her health because usually when an
00:34:50
older person shakes like that, because, mind you, she she was
00:34:56
in the tower when someone and Lorraine were novices and
00:35:03
they're damn near 100 years old. So how old is she?
00:35:06
Yeah, you know, so. And she could, she has something
00:35:11
and she doesn't want to be healed or it may not be
00:35:13
something that can be healed, who knows?
00:35:16
But it's obviously something and the fact they focused on it and
00:35:21
the bracelet means it might be related so.
00:35:24
Yeah, but I was also wondering if maybe it has something to do
00:35:27
with the fact that later on in the episode she reveals that
00:35:30
she's a seer. I think she's lying, I think
00:35:34
she's lying. I think she's being
00:35:35
manipulative. You think so?
00:35:39
I think she was manipulating men.
00:35:42
Because she talks about how she had the vision about the Queen
00:35:46
of Andor having a very prominent role in the last battle.
00:35:51
And she was like, yeah, you know, So what did she tell me?
00:35:54
And she said, we can't, we can't change our visions, but we can,
00:35:58
we don't have to sit by and just watch it happen.
00:36:01
Like we can do things to kind of, I, I guess, spur them along
00:36:06
or kind of place yourself into whatever that is.
00:36:10
Because she was like, yeah, so I went over there and I helped her
00:36:13
win her succession war and I. Was OK if men knows anything and
00:36:19
I wish they would make not make her character so gullible is
00:36:24
that she knows her visions come true period.
00:36:31
So usually people who get visions, those visions are true.
00:36:36
Interpreting them can be difficult.
00:36:38
Understanding them can be difficult.
00:36:40
They're true. So but you.
00:36:45
Don't think she's a seer. I don't think she's a seer.
00:36:50
I don't because there's there's too many things happening that
00:36:54
she isn't aware of or she's still trying to figure stuff out
00:36:59
on her own. Well, I guess.
00:37:02
But because. Being a seer doesn't mean that
00:37:04
she knows everything that's about to.
00:37:06
Happen No, no, no, it's not about knowing everything and men
00:37:09
does say you know she's she's trying to use it.
00:37:13
But the reason why I say I believe that she's manipulative
00:37:17
is she's manipulating all these situations in the tower.
00:37:21
She knows that men is spying on her.
00:37:23
How do how best to get on Men's good side by being like, I have
00:37:28
something in common with you and I know how much of a curse it
00:37:32
is, but there is something we can do about it.
00:37:35
Lies, lies in lies. Remember last episode I told you
00:37:42
if there's anyone in the book who's more evil than Leandro?
00:37:48
Is. The liar, but however, she
00:37:52
cannot lie, so she could be telling the truth.
00:37:56
Yeah. So I have to take that into
00:37:58
account. I'm not holding outside the
00:38:01
possibility that she might be a Black guys.
00:38:03
I could be, you know, Mike might be on something.
00:38:06
She could be Black guys. We don't know.
00:38:08
They could have changed it for the show to make to simplify
00:38:11
things. Yeah, because I was thinking
00:38:14
about what she was telling men about, you know, she said one of
00:38:19
the things that she had seen. I don't think she said it in so
00:38:22
many words, so that could go into what you were saying.
00:38:25
But she was talking about how the red, the sitter for the red
00:38:30
Asha, will call for a vote in the tower, and it's the most
00:38:33
important vote in the tower's history.
00:38:36
Swan Sanchez will lose. And that means that a group of
00:38:40
eight Azadi will be sent to cage the last dragon.
00:38:47
And I was like, OK, she's saying this.
00:38:49
And then we see the scene where she actually goes down.
00:38:52
You know, she's gone down a couple of times in this episode,
00:38:55
down to the red Asha. And the first time she tries to
00:38:59
go, she's like giving them gifts or she's bringing them gifts.
00:39:03
And it's so funny because Sutama, when she gave her the
00:39:07
the necklace set, Sutama looked at and she was like, you keep it
00:39:11
a lighter. So that I that's a bit too
00:39:13
guarded for me, but it, it, it's perfect for you.
00:39:17
I'm telling you the shade these women are throwing at each other
00:39:21
in the last few episodes, they make me laugh.
00:39:24
But it it's kind of like that. Yes, I see the manipulation in
00:39:29
that because here you are trying to buy your gifts.
00:39:31
And so Tommy even says that. So she was like, So what are you
00:39:34
hoping to buy with these gifts? What do you want?
00:39:36
And she was like, I don't want anything.
00:39:38
I just want the red Asha to be back elevated to where they used
00:39:43
to be. So I'm assuming that the red
00:39:44
Asha weren't always as despised as they are.
00:39:50
Or maybe they were despised but it didn't matter because they
00:39:53
were kind of at the top of the pecking order.
00:39:56
That's the way Elida is making it seem.
00:40:00
And the Oz, we think there Oz is at the top of the picking order.
00:40:07
But she kept mentioning, like, she kept making it seem like the
00:40:11
red Osher now, like in squalor. She was like, oh, yeah, I had
00:40:15
been out here in a while. If I had if I had waited a few
00:40:18
more years, I wouldn't even recognize it like.
00:40:20
Well they they they've been pushed out of the of being in
00:40:24
the hall a couple of Times Now. So and and so to any real eyes
00:40:31
like her who had tried almost become Armourland, it would be a
00:40:35
problem that y'all can't even stay in the hall.
00:40:39
Like y'all let someone treat y'all like this, yeah?
00:40:43
But when you got one of your when your one of your ages has
00:40:47
become a dark friend and she's corrupted other people around
00:40:50
her, like, what would you expect?
00:40:51
Yeah, yeah. I mean, they also mentioned that
00:40:54
to her, she was because Sutama was like, this is not the time
00:40:58
for us to be making waves, especially after Leandra and
00:41:02
Eliza is like, that's the best time to make waves.
00:41:05
I'm like. And and, and the other thing,
00:41:10
another way that I said I get around is lying things.
00:41:13
If they believe they're lies, then there are truths.
00:41:17
So if she's, she could be having dreams of the future and she
00:41:22
calls them foretellings. And if she believes that their
00:41:25
foretellings and their foretellings and she's not
00:41:28
lying. So there's that.
00:41:31
And in her plan, she really believes her plan is going to
00:41:35
work. So her plan is to have a vote in
00:41:40
the tower to the polls, small sunshine, so she can tell them,
00:41:45
tell me this is what's going to happen.
00:41:48
Because in her mind, she has already made-up her mind is
00:41:50
going to happen. She's been around for a long
00:41:53
time. She knows how to get around
00:41:55
this. You can't tell a lie.
00:41:57
You know, type of thing. Yeah, most of them do, right,
00:42:01
so. She really?
00:42:02
Believes that. This is how it's going.
00:42:05
You made me think of. I know I'm doing the mic
00:42:07
reference thing in Star Trek 2009.
00:42:13
Captain Pike is walking with with the engineer, Kirk and Sulu
00:42:20
and he's like, y'all are going to jump 10 feet down to the
00:42:24
platform. Y'all are going to beat them.
00:42:26
Y'all are going to disable the drill and we're going to get out
00:42:29
of here. He didn't say this is the plan.
00:42:32
He told them what they're going to do.
00:42:35
So this is sort of what she's doing.
00:42:36
This is what's going to happen and she believes it.
00:42:39
So of course she doesn't know it for a fact, but in her mind it
00:42:44
is a fact because it's going to happen and she puts all these
00:42:47
things in place to make it happen.
00:42:51
OK, She she, she gets the leader sent away because of course men
00:42:56
went running back to tell she run till that to get the sitter
00:43:01
out. So you know.
00:43:04
Oh, you know what? I didn't even put that together
00:43:07
because of the fact that when, when Leanna comes down and she
00:43:11
tells her, yeah, we're going to go, we're going to send you
00:43:13
across the, you know, across the world to go.
00:43:17
It's all there to get my husband.
00:43:19
Yeah, the the false, yeah. The False Dragon.
00:43:22
I didn't even think about the fact that that was even related.
00:43:26
I was just like, oh, she got it wrong, but Oh yeah, 'cause if
00:43:29
men went back and said, well, this is what she told me because
00:43:34
men is there as a spy. You know what?
00:43:38
I didn't even, I didn't even put that.
00:43:39
Together. You didn't put it together.
00:43:41
Yeah, that's. Why?
00:43:42
That's why she said all that stuff to me.
00:43:43
And man comes in, she's like, yeah, I know you're here to spy
00:43:46
on me, but here I'm your friend. We have something in common.
00:43:51
And this is I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do.
00:43:53
Actually, this is what's going to happen.
00:43:55
And so she goes and tells. And of course, Swan makes a move
00:44:00
to get them out so she can't call for a vote.
00:44:03
But then she's down there when that happens and she's like, oh,
00:44:08
we're going to need a new sitter temporarily.
00:44:10
Because the other girl, I feel like is probably more pliable to
00:44:17
what Elida wants to do as a, as opposed to Sutama.
00:44:22
Cause Sutama is basically like, we don't like you.
00:44:25
We don't want you down here. And she's all high and proper
00:44:28
and like, really Tooting her nose up at a light and light is
00:44:32
like, yeah, OK, I'm gonna get you out of here so I can work
00:44:36
what needs to be done. So OK, OK, I get it.
00:44:41
I I see it now. You seeing that?
00:44:43
Yeah. Eliza is slippery, slippery,
00:44:47
slippery I. Do still think that maybe she
00:44:49
could be a seer, but you know she.
00:44:51
Probably. She probably is to some degree.
00:44:54
And she says it's not like men. So she does say that her her
00:44:59
visions or her discerning she. Says foretellings.
00:45:03
Yeah. Now whether she believe is a
00:45:07
foretelling to just be a dream, you know, just saying I wouldn't
00:45:13
put it past her that she's not being OK.
00:45:16
I won't say that she's lying. I would say she's being.
00:45:23
She's not. Being evasive.
00:45:24
Evasive, that's what. She's being evasive.
00:45:26
She's not being evasive and she's not being terribly
00:45:29
specific because remember, they talk.
00:45:31
Marine does it all the time. You talking generalities.
00:45:34
You don't answer the question that you're asked, You answer a
00:45:38
different question that wasn't asked.
00:45:41
So, OK, OK. And if they believe?
00:45:45
It to be, if they believe it to be true, then it's not a lie.
00:45:50
So she really couldn't believe that she's having foretellings
00:45:53
and she's not. OK, OK, that gives me something
00:45:57
to think about with her character.
00:46:00
But even following that with her character, when she comes up to
00:46:07
try to see someone again, the shade these women are throwing
00:46:13
at each other in these episodes is just hilarious because she's
00:46:17
like, oh, Darren, what brings you up here to these high to
00:46:21
these high walls or whatever, Just basically saying, why are
00:46:25
you not down in the basement where you blow?
00:46:28
And Darren was like, well, you know, I, I mean, I can't even
00:46:33
remember the retort. But Darren, I will say she's
00:46:36
very quick on the uptake. And when she and, and, and Liana
00:46:40
even more so because when Eliza tries to go past him with
00:46:44
Liana's like, excuse me, slow your roll.
00:46:46
What you doing to me? Do you have an appointment?
00:46:49
Right. She was like, I, you know, I
00:46:51
would like to speak to the amulet.
00:46:53
You need to have an appointment where I would like to request a
00:46:56
private audience, as all sisters are able to do, She said
00:46:59
sitters, not sisters. You, you, you mistake, you
00:47:03
mistake one of the the letters in that word.
00:47:05
She was like, now if you want to go find a sitter to come up here
00:47:09
and request the private audience, I will pass that
00:47:11
request along to her. And what a lot of says, oh, she
00:47:16
said to Vera, she was like, cross me now and I'll make pay
00:47:21
for it or something like that. And they both just looking at
00:47:24
her like whatever. And I was like, I don't know
00:47:28
that that threat seems very credible with her.
00:47:31
Yeah, I'm going to say something that even knowing what happens
00:47:36
in the books, Elijah seems to be the most dangerous thing in the
00:47:40
tower right now. I would agree.
00:47:42
Because everything is already on shaky grounds when you come in
00:47:46
and you start sowing seeds. Of chaos.
00:47:50
You start sowing seeds and you start dividing sisters and
00:47:54
turning them against each other. You're actually the problem,
00:47:57
yeah. You're not trying to figure out
00:47:59
how you can bring everyone together.
00:48:00
You're your first goal is to get Swan out and to take over.
00:48:05
But to do that, you're going to have to divide the tower.
00:48:08
Yeah. And it's not like Swan doesn't
00:48:11
have people on her side, so you're going to turn everybody
00:48:15
against each other. Yeah.
00:48:17
And that's that is more dangerous than anything.
00:48:22
Kind of like kind of like the Forsaken fighting amongst each
00:48:25
other. Interesting that you would
00:48:27
mention the Forsaken. What Forsaken has been around
00:48:30
her for the past month? Oh, oh, Oh yes.
00:48:36
Who knows what he got in her head?
00:48:43
OK, just saying. And, and and that's even looking
00:48:49
at it without a book perspective.
00:48:52
I but I mean also if she's the type of person that she seems to
00:48:56
be personality wise, he may not have had to do or say anything
00:49:00
to her. This could just be a natural
00:49:03
progression of of who she is. It could be, but it doesn't help
00:49:08
knowing that a Forsaken has been next to her for a month.
00:49:13
Yeah. Sowing his own seeds of chaos.
00:49:16
Right. Putting his own plans, nor This
00:49:19
could be his plan from the beginning, right?
00:49:21
The way he walked into the tower and composed them all.
00:49:27
Yeah. His whole plan.
00:49:28
I mean, Rand would need a united Tower.
00:49:33
He would need all that style on his side.
00:49:36
Yeah. At the last battle.
00:49:38
What better way to undermine him than to turn the tower against
00:49:42
itself? Yeah, and what didn't I need say
00:49:45
was that the last episode which said they're tearing each other
00:49:48
apart, Was that this episode? That was E Gwaine in the last
00:49:52
episode. This tower is tearing, each
00:49:54
tearing itself from the inside out.
00:49:56
Yep. Yeah.
00:49:59
And in comes Eliza to make that shit happen.
00:50:02
Right. OK, yeah.
00:50:07
I never think about the fact that she's been there with Robin
00:50:12
for the last month. OK, yeah.
00:50:14
But staying in the tower since you mentioned I need and you
00:50:18
mentioned the other two black Asha, let's talk about them.
00:50:21
Because Joya and Amico, those are the two women who tried to
00:50:27
shield Swan in in the first episode and they failed.
00:50:31
So they have been steeled and they are now in the dungeons.
00:50:35
And again, Swan has a plan for Naive and Elaine to kind of find
00:50:40
out where Leandrin and the Black Asha have gone and what their,
00:50:43
you know, what their whole purpose is.
00:50:45
Like, what were they looking for when they stole the objects from
00:50:48
the repository and everything. So they go downstairs to talk to
00:50:53
them because Baron is like, OK, this is what we need you to find
00:50:55
out. And Nyneva's like, OK, but we
00:50:58
have to do this our way. You can't come in there with us.
00:51:02
It's better for us. And, you know, Elaine says we
00:51:04
have one advantage that you don't have.
00:51:06
We can lie. You can't.
00:51:08
So they go in there and they start playing good cop, bad cop.
00:51:12
And that mess is so funny because Nyneve comes across in
00:51:17
her usual way. She's kind of, she's kind of
00:51:19
mean. She's kind of straightforward.
00:51:20
And Elaine is just sitting there silently kind of watching as
00:51:24
Nyneve is asking questions. And it's so weird because when
00:51:29
you look at them just the first glance, you would think that
00:51:34
Joya, who is the the white bald headed Asha and then Amico is
00:51:40
the the black lady in the she's the yellow Asha.
00:51:44
Asha. You would think that Joya is the
00:51:50
one that's kind of steadfast and Amico is the one who's kind of
00:51:54
presenting herself as like the crybaby layup, blah, blah, blah,
00:51:59
blah, blah. And then when they kind of when
00:52:01
I need kind of says, you know, cut the bullshit, I'm not
00:52:04
believing this little song and you know, so.
00:52:06
That OK? Is this how you don't want to be
00:52:08
remembered? Just go ahead and drop that act.
00:52:11
Right. And she completely turns it.
00:52:13
She was just like, this is what's going to happen, this is
00:52:16
what we're doing, blah, blah, blah.
00:52:17
They kind of give Naive and and Elaine some information, but
00:52:24
it's false information. But I think the most interesting
00:52:27
part of their interrogation was when they go to Joya the second
00:52:31
time after they're like, OK, so Amigo already gave us some
00:52:35
information, so why do we even need to keep you alive?
00:52:37
And Joya basically says, This is why I'm telling you the truth.
00:52:42
She was like when I, before I was a black Asha, I was in the
00:52:45
great Asha. My, my whole skill set is being
00:52:48
able to read people and kind of, you know, figuring out what
00:52:53
they're going to do and kind of see what path they are.
00:52:55
And she looks at Naive and she says, I believe you when you say
00:52:59
you'll kill me. I know the look of a killer when
00:53:02
I see 1. And I was like, what?
00:53:06
Because Naive is just looking at her like, and I'm like, oh, that
00:53:11
just tells me almost. I don't know, Maybe Nyneve knows
00:53:18
that part of herself. And that's also one of the
00:53:20
reasons why she can't channel the way she channels or the way
00:53:23
she should channel. But I was like when Joya said
00:53:26
that she didn't look at Elaine, she looked at Nyneve.
00:53:29
She said. I know the look of a killer when
00:53:31
I see one. Remember Nyneve killed a
00:53:33
trollic. Oh yes.
00:53:37
Yes she did. She killed her tronic and didn't
00:53:40
use the one power. That she did, but but that was
00:53:43
different because that that was self-defense.
00:53:46
It was, but again. Yeah, they.
00:53:50
Were being. Technical if.
00:53:52
You're going to be technical about it.
00:53:53
Being technical. And and it wasn't like, I mean,
00:53:58
you can see she, it was a straight up fight and she killed
00:54:02
her. Yeah.
00:54:03
She had no choice. Yeah, but no, she actually lured
00:54:07
him to. Oh, OK, yeah.
00:54:11
So she knows. So joy.
00:54:13
Joy is it. Amica could tell.
00:54:16
That was Joya. Joya could tell, yeah, If this
00:54:19
won't, if she really wanted, if she wanted, if she could kill
00:54:22
me, she would. Right, Yeah, because, because
00:54:28
Naomi was like, I'm so sick of this.
00:54:30
She was like both of y'all giving us bullshit.
00:54:32
I'm I'm just tired of it. And Joy was like, no, I had no
00:54:35
reason to lie. Yeah.
00:54:37
And remember when she when she was in the in the columns, we
00:54:43
don't know what happened when she was a red Aja remember
00:54:48
because there was a time she was flying through and she had on
00:54:51
red when in in the last when there was a flashing really
00:54:56
quickly. Yes.
00:54:59
Yeah, she had on red, so we don't know.
00:55:03
OK, because I was going to say if she.
00:55:06
Because that was the one where, no, no, I'm saying one of the
00:55:11
possible futures, the one that she blocked out, the one that
00:55:16
she doesn't remember what happened, really.
00:55:17
Oh, yes, OK. You're talking about Nanette.
00:55:19
OK, Yes, yes, yes. Nanee, yeah, yeah.
00:55:24
So she, we don't know what she did in that life.
00:55:28
Right, she. Answered and so that could be.
00:55:31
Bloody. And that could be and that could
00:55:35
be what she's picking up on. OK, yeah, but anyway, so Joya
00:55:44
says that Leandron is going to tear because she's trying to
00:55:48
help one of the Forsaken get calendar, and then Amico says
00:55:53
that they are going to somewhere else.
00:55:57
Get. The the false dragon, which is
00:56:01
where Swan just sent the the sitter for the red Aja.
00:56:07
But anyway, so when they come out of there, Elaine and I need
00:56:11
were like, so I don't believe that that's what's going on.
00:56:15
And I need takes Elaine to the place where Leandra was keeping
00:56:19
her son. And of course, this place has
00:56:21
been completely cleaned out. And before they end up leaving,
00:56:26
they find a symbol up under the bed.
00:56:30
And the symbol is made in chalk and salt.
00:56:33
And when they go to the, they go to the library on the brown agia
00:56:37
floor to look it up and it says that it's a symbol.
00:56:41
I think Elaine said it's a symbol to kind of, I guess to
00:56:46
put it in Lamish terms, it shortens the trip for the soul
00:56:50
so that they come back sooner. And you put one at the place
00:56:55
where someone died and then you put the other in the place where
00:57:00
they were born. And so Naive has figured out
00:57:03
that Leander's son is probably dead.
00:57:06
She was like, you know, he was very old, so this is probably
00:57:10
where he died. So where would where was he
00:57:12
born? So when they go in the library
00:57:14
and they look it up, they realize that that symbol is the
00:57:17
symbol from a place called 10 Chico.
00:57:20
And they're like, OK, well maybe that's where Leandra is from.
00:57:22
Maybe that's where her son was born, you know, maybe that's
00:57:25
where she is. So then while they're in there,
00:57:29
they realize that there are some drawings of some of the items
00:57:32
that were in the repository because Baron is inventory in
00:57:37
what is missing. So they start going through and
00:57:40
they're looking and they come across a drawing of the bracelet
00:57:45
that we saw and they realized, oh, wait, this is a bracelet
00:57:48
that's similar to the Sean Chan. And then Elaine is like, wait,
00:57:54
Tan Chico is not too far from where from farm It's.
00:57:59
Like. Yeah, it's in the same general
00:58:01
area from where the Sean Chan were.
00:58:04
And that's and Tan Chico could be where the Sean Chan are from.
00:58:08
Yeah, so as she is saying this, there is someone standing in the
00:58:14
door with a crossbow and shoots the crossbow at them.
00:58:20
Naive happens to see it just in time and gets them down and the
00:58:24
crossbow like literally grazes Elaine's head.
00:58:28
Elaine shoots someone, some of the one power at it and tosses
00:58:34
it out the door. And then when they go to look,
00:58:37
this thing is dead in the middle of the floor, and it's a Gray
00:58:39
man. So down the dead.
00:58:42
Huh. Yeah, that's the thing, 'cause
00:58:46
she was like, I didn't hit it with enough power to kill it.
00:58:50
And Naive looked at it, she was like, he was stabbed.
00:58:53
And as they're sitting here contemplating this because
00:58:56
nobody else is on the hallway, here comes Baron from around the
00:58:59
corner. She's about to, you know, say
00:59:01
something and she looks and she was like, what in the light is
00:59:05
going on here? And they were like, yeah, this
00:59:08
dude, you know, this, this thing came after us and, and tried to
00:59:12
kill us. And, you know, Naive asked her.
00:59:17
She was like, what are you doing up here, Vera?
00:59:19
And Vera was like, this is where the brown Aja are.
00:59:22
What are you doing here? Which makes sense because Baron
00:59:26
should be up there and the other two shouldn't.
00:59:29
So they don't say anything. Elaine is like, I'm still a bit
00:59:32
shaken up. Can we leave?
00:59:34
And as they're leaving, my name was like, yeah, we're going to
00:59:37
Tan Chico tonight. We're not going back.
00:59:38
We're not staying here. And Elaine is like tonight.
00:59:41
She said yeah, we're not safe here.
00:59:43
She said did you notice what? She didn't ask us.
00:59:46
And Elaine was like, no, what? Cause Elaine is still in a daze.
00:59:50
And she said she didn't ask us who stabbed him.
00:59:53
And I was like, oh. As Mike would say, that's one
01:00:00
more in variance column. Right, right, which is which is
01:00:05
disheartening because I don't want to believe that Varen is I
01:00:09
don't want to believe that she's dark Asha, but that's one of the
01:00:11
things that we do learn from Joya and Amico.
01:00:16
Amico says that they she was like, we only know the people
01:00:21
who was in our heart and my name is like, what is that?
01:00:25
She said each heart consists of three sisters of the black Aja.
01:00:30
Each sister only knows of one other person outside of their
01:00:34
heart. And she said Leandra was my
01:00:37
contact. So basically it could be 3 here,
01:00:39
3 here, 3 here. And I guess that's for, you
01:00:43
know, plausible deniability if because you don't know everybody
01:00:48
in this particular heart. So you can't implicate everybody
01:00:52
if something were to happen it it's a smart system.
01:00:55
Yeah, unless, unless you're Leandrin, Yeah, and you're, you
01:01:00
are everybody's contact. That's that's true.
01:01:05
That everyone thinks they only have one contact.
01:01:08
It's Leandrin. Yeah, but if everybody's contact
01:01:11
is Leandrin. Then nobody knows who who they
01:01:15
are but. But Leandra knows who.
01:01:19
Everybody is, yeah. And so when she so at the
01:01:22
beginning, when she calls from for the sisters to come help,
01:01:26
they all know, yeah, Leandra's my contact for the black option.
01:01:31
So it's possible at that point they didn't know each other.
01:01:34
I think a few of them probably were in the same heart because
01:01:37
they look. At each other, but I'm just
01:01:39
saying you see how that works? Yeah, so it I mean, it could be
01:01:45
possible that Baron is Black Asha and we just we're still
01:01:48
being played. I don't want to think that
01:01:51
because again, I like Baron, but yeah, she's.
01:01:58
She's black Asha, she couldn't have told them that Leandra was
01:02:02
black. Aja because they will violate
01:02:04
the oath so. Yeah.
01:02:07
But then would she, if she was Black Aja, would she be
01:02:11
cataloging the stuff they took? Yes, probably because when when
01:02:19
all of that happened and I know me not, I know me and Naomi came
01:02:23
out, Leandra said did you get it?
01:02:26
And Naomi said yes, I got it. Plus anything else I could hold.
01:02:30
So maybe Veron is just trying to catalog because one, if she's
01:02:35
still there, obviously she's still undercover.
01:02:37
Her cover is intact. So she's still going to make it
01:02:40
seem like she's doing whatever she needs to do to kind of track
01:02:44
down the Black Asha. So there's certain things that
01:02:47
she can do that wouldn't be, as you know, suspicious cataloguing
01:02:53
everything that was missing from the repository that that
01:02:57
wouldn't be, you know, that wouldn't be something hard for
01:03:01
her to. That would be, and that wouldn't
01:03:03
be violating her black Asha Oaks either 'cause she's just doing
01:03:08
her job. Right.
01:03:10
And here's the thing, she could be still doing that as a black
01:03:13
Asha because Naomi may have taken all of the objects.
01:03:18
She doesn't necessarily know what the objects do, which we
01:03:21
see later on in the episode because she's actually
01:03:23
researching some of the books and Leandron's in the library
01:03:28
where they are. She was like, yeah, this is what
01:03:30
this looks like. So she doesn't even know what
01:03:32
the objects are that they took. Very could very well be trying
01:03:36
to say, OK, this is what they took and this is what it does.
01:03:39
She could be doing that for Leandron and we just don't know
01:03:42
it yet, you know? I mean, it's a way for her to
01:03:47
keep her cover intact still. Like she's doing what she's
01:03:50
supposed to be doing for the tower, but still doing whatever
01:03:53
it is she's supposed to be doing for the Black Asha as well, if
01:03:55
that's what she's doing so. And, and I was going to say
01:04:00
also, if Leandro was everyone's contact, but they didn't know
01:04:04
it, Naomi wouldn't know Vera was black Asha.
01:04:08
And vice versa, right? Unless they were in the same
01:04:13
heart, which. Obviously they weren't.
01:04:15
They weren't because of the way that Naomi turned around and you
01:04:18
know, there and I don't have to sit here and listen to your
01:04:20
bullshit and then you try to wipe her memory.
01:04:23
Yeah. So yeah, I guess, I guess that
01:04:26
question mark for Baron is, is still there.
01:04:30
So anyway, I I guess, but OK, let's see where are we going to
01:04:39
go next? Oh, we were going.
01:04:42
We were transitioning into the bracelet, so now we're in Tan
01:04:49
Chico. Yeah, let's go back to.
01:04:50
OK, So yes, let's go back to Tan Chico.
01:04:54
So the first thing we do see in Tan Chico is Elaine's guesses
01:04:59
about Leandron are probably correct, because we do see
01:05:03
Leandron in a in kind of like a basement or a dungeon.
01:05:06
She is painting the sigil on the floor.
01:05:09
She's crying. And she's having there's like,
01:05:11
this voice over in her head where I guess she's talking to
01:05:15
her son. And she was like, you know, come
01:05:17
back to me. You know, ever since you were
01:05:19
here, we walk this. We walk this life together.
01:05:22
You need to come back to me. And she touches the bed, and you
01:05:25
can kind of hear what sounds like flashbacks of her as a
01:05:28
child being beaten and screaming.
01:05:32
And she just has a very visceral reaction to it.
01:05:35
So I was like, OK, this is where her trauma started for her.
01:05:40
This is where it manifested, especially with her son.
01:05:43
So then she walks back upstairs, and she goes into the room, and
01:05:46
Naomi, again, is reading through the book.
01:05:49
And she was like, yeah, this is a bracelet similar to what the
01:05:52
Shan Chan used on the Damani, she said, But my weaves have no
01:05:58
effect on it. And Leandra says because that's
01:06:04
not meant for a woman, it's meant for a man.
01:06:08
And now I know why you were looking at me crazy when I was
01:06:11
asking about whether or not the Sean Chan Adams worked on men,
01:06:17
because you knew that this was going to come up, right.
01:06:21
Yeah. OK.
01:06:24
But that's what she's saying she was.
01:06:25
Like this is man, that's. All the man these.
01:06:27
Particular ones do not. Yeah, yeah, and, and Leandra
01:06:33
says that they are in San Chico because the collar is somewhere
01:06:36
in the city and we're going to find it and we are going to cage
01:06:41
the Dragon Reborn. And as she says this, the camera
01:06:46
pans over to one of the servants.
01:06:48
And who does it happen to be but fucking Mogadian softly.
01:06:52
Softly from the she knows. And she walks out the room and
01:06:58
she just has this look on her face like, Oh yes, I'm going to
01:07:02
stay here and and just wait to see.
01:07:04
Because we still don't quite know what the Forsaken exactly
01:07:10
want with Rand. Because, Landfish said in the
01:07:12
last episode, she said they don't care about him fixing or
01:07:15
breaking the wheel, they just want him dead.
01:07:18
Yeah. So you you do know I mean.
01:07:22
But is there a reason why they want them dead or they just want
01:07:25
them dead? Or is it because he is the, I
01:07:27
guess quote UN quote, reincarnation of Lewis Theron
01:07:30
who locked them away and they're just like, OK, we just want to
01:07:32
kill you just just on principle. Well, without giving too much
01:07:37
away, they they they were all doing megadian type, Leandrian
01:07:44
type things where they just didn't have any regard for
01:07:48
regular people's lives. OK.
01:07:50
And violating anything having to do with being an accident,
01:07:55
right? So the police came after him,
01:07:58
the Chief Police officer, the police commissioner, Luis
01:08:03
Theron, came for them and they didn't appreciate that.
01:08:08
So they just, they just basically want ran dead just on
01:08:11
principle. They want Luis Theron dead
01:08:13
because they wanted him dead then too, because he was, in
01:08:16
their way, the only ones who didn't.
01:08:19
Were Shamil. Right.
01:08:23
OK. They have their own reasons.
01:08:24
Lanfield wanted him to love her again, and Ishmael wants to
01:08:29
destroy the will. Yeah, OK.
01:08:34
Everybody else, they just want, they just want them dead.
01:08:37
They just want them dead and out of the way so they can go about
01:08:40
their happy lives. Right.
01:08:42
Because as long as he's around, there's someone more powerful
01:08:45
than them, you know, which I I had a conversation with the
01:08:49
person whom I'm related to by marriage because she knows a lot
01:08:52
about the rule of time. And I was like, why did Liz
01:08:55
Theron waste his time and imprison them?
01:08:59
Why didn't he just kill them? They were really kind of afraid
01:09:02
of him. And and she, she said, well, he
01:09:08
was a good person. And remember when he told
01:09:12
Ishamael he was like, he did that to him because he knew that
01:09:16
that's what he hated the most. That was the that was the worst,
01:09:19
worst punishment for him, Yeah. I I can't think of any
01:09:22
punishment, I don't think. And I don't maybe he just
01:09:25
applied that to all of them just to have them suffer in silence
01:09:30
or whatever. Yeah, but yeah.
01:09:33
But then, you know, I thought about it some more and the way
01:09:37
the creator in the wheel works, it probably wasn't their time.
01:09:44
Like this had to happen the way that it happened.
01:09:46
So maybe this wasn't meant to kill them yet.
01:09:49
Yeah, and also. For Rand, maybe that was for
01:09:52
Rand to do. Oh, OK, yeah.
01:09:55
Or also it could have been just one of those like OK, yeah, I
01:09:58
could kill you, but one that would be too easy.
01:10:02
And 2:00 I could probably just keep y'all caged up and this
01:10:06
could be a break in case, you know, break glass in case of
01:10:09
emergency type of situation. Could be.
01:10:13
Because I mean, as dangerous as they are, they they had to be
01:10:16
useful to him at some point. Because other than that.
01:10:22
He's, he's clearly more powerful than they are.
01:10:25
I understand They should have. They should have.
01:10:28
They should have attacked him all the same time instead of
01:10:31
doing that thing Mike and I talk about.
01:10:32
I was just about to say. We've.
01:10:35
Had this conversation before so that would explain why they
01:10:38
didn't do that. But even even the people who are
01:10:41
the most powerful, you still want your minions up under you,
01:10:45
your powerful minions up under you to be able to do the stuff
01:10:49
that you don't want to dirty your hands doing.
01:10:51
Like, OK, you know what? This is important, but it's also
01:10:54
beneath me. So I'm going to let my lackeys
01:10:56
do it. That's that could be the whole
01:10:58
reason why he kept them caged instead of killing them because
01:11:03
it might have been something that can be wrong that he might
01:11:06
have been like OK well I need y'all to go handle this.
01:11:09
Yeah, there, there are a lot of things I want to tell you, but
01:11:11
yeah, it's it's almost like you did as a punishment for their
01:11:15
crimes. Yeah, yeah.
01:11:17
Because with a lot of people, it's like, if you kill them, I
01:11:21
mean, that's one of the arguments with some people with
01:11:24
death row, you know, they're like, OK, if you kill them,
01:11:29
you're putting them out of their misery.
01:11:31
You're not really giving them time to contemplate what they've
01:11:34
done to be in this position and, you know, all this other stuff.
01:11:38
But if you put them in jail for the rest of their life, or if
01:11:41
you put them in jail for 80 years, they have nothing but
01:11:44
time to think about what they've done and how that has affected
01:11:49
their life. And for some people, it, it
01:11:51
works. And for some people, they're
01:11:53
just like, I don't care. Look, I'm getting free room and
01:11:55
bored and three square meals a day for the rest of my life.
01:11:58
I don't have to work. I don't have to it it.
01:12:01
It just depends on the person. Yeah, well, like Ma Gideon said,
01:12:05
I am not going to be in anybody's cage for another 3.
01:12:09
1000 years, Ma, Gideon said. Well, we're not going to do.
01:12:12
But we're not going to do it. Right, but the fact that she was
01:12:16
there and she hears all of this and like you said, she walks out
01:12:21
and you hear softly, softly from the and then she walks into the
01:12:25
dark. I was like, OK, so that's one
01:12:29
forsaken that knows what the plan is.
01:12:32
And she's probably the only one that knows at this point because
01:12:36
landfill is too. Landfill is too busy trying to
01:12:38
be in ranch dreams talking I. I don't even know if she was
01:12:44
being sincere or not about. Let's talk let's let's talk
01:12:49
about that. So you and I in the last episode
01:12:52
had a light hearted debate about.
01:12:56
Spirit and discussion. The the state of the
01:12:59
relationship, right? And I consulted the person whom
01:13:03
I'm I live with unrelated to our marriage.
01:13:05
She says that we're both right. Yeah, and I mean, Mike said the
01:13:09
same thing and I I can see your point.
01:13:12
Yeah, so, but it's just one of those things where if she.
01:13:18
Now don't mess it up, honey. No, I'm just, no, what I was
01:13:21
going to say was if she's not in love with him, she certainly is
01:13:26
playing it up like she is, you know, because.
01:13:30
I, I, I agree with you. I, I, she is in love with him.
01:13:34
She is, I really do believe that she is in love with him.
01:13:37
I don't know if she can get out of her own way because of her
01:13:41
schemes and machinations, because she loves him and she's
01:13:46
trying to do all these things to get him.
01:13:49
And that moment when they're together and he's like, why did,
01:13:53
why do you keep bringing me here?
01:13:54
She's like, you didn't bring me here.
01:13:56
You know, I didn't bring you here.
01:13:58
This is the place you chose, right?
01:14:01
But she's such a good actress because she seems so vulnerable
01:14:06
and real and like she's, she's really sounds like she's being
01:14:11
real sincere. Like I really want to get out of
01:14:15
this thing. I really want you to kill the
01:14:16
dark ones. So basically we can be together.
01:14:19
She wants to be free. Yeah.
01:14:21
But does she like? I don't know.
01:14:24
And that's the thing, because when I look at her when she is
01:14:28
with him, and this was the reason why I kept saying I feel
01:14:32
like she's really in love with Rand separately from what she
01:14:36
felt for Lou's Theron. Because when she's with him and
01:14:39
she's looking at him and she talks to him, you know, I'm a
01:14:42
person. Body language is very big for
01:14:44
me. Like I really pay attention to
01:14:46
it. And it's just the way that she
01:14:48
is with him. And again, that actress is
01:14:51
phenomenal because when she has to be hard and when she has to
01:14:55
be nasty and mean and and kind of stuck up to everybody else,
01:14:59
she does it very well. But when she's with Rand,
01:15:03
there's something about her that softens.
01:15:05
There's something about her that, like you said, is more
01:15:08
vulnerable, like she's she's putting forward a face for him
01:15:14
that she doesn't let anybody else see.
01:15:16
And you really see it in this scene when she's sitting there
01:15:19
on the bed. She looks so heartbroken.
01:15:23
You know, she has the watery eyes and everything.
01:15:25
When she's telling him she was like, I really want to be free
01:15:29
of my dark oaths. And I think there's a way.
01:15:31
And she starts telling him about a, say, Angrio that is for women
01:15:37
that if used in conjunction with Kalidor, she was like, I think,
01:15:43
you know, if if a man channeler and a woman channeler use both
01:15:47
of those eye objects, they can kill the Dark One.
01:15:50
And Rand is like, wait a minute, is that a thing?
01:15:54
And then she starts pulling back like, oh, maybe I've said too
01:15:57
much. Because again, even though this
01:15:59
is I guess Rand's dream, we don't know what forsaken our
01:16:04
hearing. And we don't know if this is
01:16:06
something that she really does feel.
01:16:08
And if so, she's got to be worried about other than hearing
01:16:11
it or if this is part of her plan.
01:16:14
This is part of her plan. She's it's like she's.
01:16:16
Manipulating him again, and that's what.
01:16:19
But it's hard to tell. Yeah, and to your point about
01:16:24
falling in love with him, it's just that she has said in the
01:16:28
past, if only you had been like this before, like if Luz hadn't
01:16:34
been this way before, things would have been different.
01:16:38
So I don't know. But.
01:16:42
It it so I think she's falling in love with, she's already in
01:16:45
love with Luz, and now she has that same feeling for Ran.
01:16:49
Yeah. And but Michelle did point out,
01:16:53
I do always remind her because she loves her romance between
01:16:58
Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.
01:17:01
And I tried to explain to her a slave cannot be in love with the
01:17:06
master. It's just it's just not
01:17:08
possible. And she said and the thing about
01:17:11
Rand, he doesn't really understand how much of him is
01:17:17
loose Darren. And he may not really understand
01:17:21
that those feelings inside for her, maybe those feelings that
01:17:26
Luz has for her and they seeped into his own feelings.
01:17:32
And he doesn't have the ability and doesn't even realize that
01:17:37
that is something that's happening to him.
01:17:40
So, you know, and, and yeah, and The thing is, we all know that
01:17:46
if you have intimate relations with a person often enough,
01:17:49
you're going to develop feelings for them regardless of how it
01:17:53
started. Yeah, and I think that's the
01:17:57
thing. And that's, and that's what's
01:17:58
going to be hard for him on so many different levels because
01:18:02
his soul is bound to her. You know, his soul knows who she
01:18:09
is. His soul was in love with her
01:18:13
before. Yeah.
01:18:14
And they didn't leave her because his heart was broken.
01:18:18
He left her because she didn't. He didn't think she actually
01:18:23
loved him, but he loved her. Yeah.
01:18:27
And and that's the part that's hard to kind of separate is the
01:18:34
fact that he is the person reincarnated that was in love
01:18:38
with her already. You see what I'm saying?
01:18:41
So yeah, he could as Rand, love her, but it's also hard to
01:18:45
separate the fact that Loose Theron was also in love with her
01:18:49
too. Yeah, yeah.
01:18:50
And that probably just kind of murkies the waters a little bit
01:18:54
because if he, as Rand, believes that he was in love with Celine
01:19:00
for the first two months, and then you find out who she really
01:19:02
is, and then you find out what their relationship was 3000
01:19:07
years ago, that would be hard to separate because it's like,
01:19:11
where, where does lose begin? And where does Rand, you know,
01:19:15
and or it's just kind of like one of those things, where does
01:19:18
it does it flow into each other? It's, you know.
01:19:21
If it's anything like the book, it's going to get real
01:19:24
complicated. Oh, I can.
01:19:25
I can already admit it's already complicated.
01:19:28
It's going to get real. Complicated because keep still
01:19:32
having this dream sequence relationship, kind of sort of
01:19:36
relationship limbo, whatever with her.
01:19:39
Why are you still out here on the real world hanging around
01:19:42
with Egwane, who has no clue that any of this has happened or
01:19:47
yeah, I already know. It's about to be complicated.
01:19:49
It's about to get. It's going to get ugly.
01:19:51
I'm talking about we don't know where Ran ends and Lose begins.
01:19:57
Oh, OK. Get real complicated.
01:19:59
Oh. OK, OK.
01:20:04
It's about to get real complicated.
01:20:05
Yeah. But yeah, that thing was
01:20:08
interesting because I was like, OK, is she being sincere or not?
01:20:11
Like I don't, I don't know because.
01:20:14
She said. I'm sorry, she's she's such a
01:20:17
phenomenal actress. She is.
01:20:20
She deserves an Emmy nomination. If not it win.
01:20:24
She's really good. She's really good because here's
01:20:27
the thing about her. Because if you if you look at
01:20:30
the 2 the two main female villains of this show, you're
01:20:35
looking at her and you're looking at Leandra.
01:20:38
The crazy thing is, even though I know Laffier is a Forsaken and
01:20:44
I know what her supposed agenda is or whatever, I feel like I
01:20:51
might have more sympathy for her than I would for Leandra.
01:20:57
And I don't know if that's just because of the the the massive
01:21:03
betrayal of Landrin, her being a acid and then turning out to be
01:21:07
a dark friend. I don't know if that's why I'm
01:21:09
feeling it. Because even if you remember
01:21:12
from back when we first started covering the second season, the
01:21:17
minute Celine showed up on screen, none of us trusted her.
01:21:20
We were like, something is not right about this chick.
01:21:23
So it's not like we fell in love with her as Celine and oh, she's
01:21:27
so great for Rand and blah blah blah.
01:21:29
And then we find out who she is and it's like, Oh my God, I'm
01:21:32
betrayed. No, we knew she was sketchy from
01:21:34
jump so I think that's probably why I can be more sympathetic
01:21:39
towards her if I need to be because I never expected her to
01:21:42
be a good person in the first place.
01:21:46
With. Landrin I wouldn't have, I
01:21:47
wouldn't have expected her to be a good person, but I at least
01:21:52
knew what team she was on or what side she was on.
01:21:55
And so that I think she was a good person by grace for me.
01:22:01
Because you are asked to die and you were tasked with this
01:22:06
particular thing, as far as you know, containing the man who can
01:22:09
channel. And you're basically trying to
01:22:11
keep men from becoming a danger to themselves and other people.
01:22:15
So I, you know, the betrayal was greater.
01:22:19
It's hard for me because I know what happened to the book.
01:22:22
Leandron is evil. I know you told me.
01:22:26
But even on the show, the them trying to get us get sympathy
01:22:32
from us through her son. And then you realize that she's
01:22:36
been letting this man suffer for years. 95 years.
01:22:41
Out of selfishness, yeah, she's been letting him suffer.
01:22:45
I can't be sympathetic to that. Right.
01:22:49
You know, and you're giving him something that was making him
01:22:51
feel more pain. Because you didn't know better.
01:22:55
And you? Didn't know you better, you
01:22:57
didn't want to ask for help. So this person that you love, do
01:23:01
you let them suffer for God knows how many years?
01:23:05
How many years I can't, I have. Even knowing what I know about
01:23:09
her, that part right there would be enough to have me not have
01:23:13
any sympathy for her at all. It it goes back to that old
01:23:19
adage, if you love something, let it go.
01:23:22
And she she clearly could do it. Even even now, she still can't
01:23:26
do it because she's still trying to find a way to bring him back.
01:23:28
To bring him back and. I'm like, I don't, yeah, I guess
01:23:35
on the one hand, I can understand that this is the this
01:23:38
is the only person she's probably ever loved.
01:23:41
And this is probably again, the person that kept her tied to her
01:23:49
humanity. Without him, she can become this
01:23:52
evil, whatever. And I I don't know, there's part
01:23:56
of me that feels like she may not really want to do that and
01:23:59
he but but for her to rest, whether she becomes total evil
01:24:06
or not on this other person that to me again, that is cruel.
01:24:13
Like why would you make this one person so responsible?
01:24:17
Put that that responsibility on their shoulders of whether or
01:24:21
not you know how to act or not. That shouldn't be on him no
01:24:26
matter what the circumstances. It shouldn't so.
01:24:30
That's an interesting discussion.
01:24:31
Who who, who gets more sympathy? Landring or a land cheer.
01:24:36
No, we, we'll, we'll revisit this discussion at the end of
01:24:39
the season once we kind of see where this season is going.
01:24:42
Because even with what I said about landfill, even with the
01:24:48
possibility of her actually being sincere, her wanting to
01:24:52
get out of her dark oath so she can be with Rand or whatever her
01:24:57
case may be, there's still something that's just kind of
01:25:02
niggling in the back of my brain.
01:25:03
This is Hanukkah. Don't trust her because she's
01:25:06
being manipulative. I mean, we see that most of the
01:25:09
women in this show that are like extremely powerful, they are
01:25:12
also extremely manipulative. And she could just be trying to
01:25:16
pull on the pull on the heartstrings before she pulls
01:25:19
the rug up from under us. So I'm I'm going to remain
01:25:23
cautious about land fear. I'll see what she has to say.
01:25:27
I'll see how her character develops.
01:25:30
And I might be like, OK, I believe you.
01:25:34
But I will also say this too. I do not believe that she should
01:25:38
ever be with Rand. And it's just because of the
01:25:43
what she's doing to egg Wayne. Like if you are really that
01:25:47
confident a woman and you are really that confident of what he
01:25:51
feels for you, the bullshit she's doing to a Gwaine, her
01:25:54
dreams, that is uncalled for. Is it for For me that is the
01:26:00
equivalent of Leandro and keeping her son alive?
01:26:04
Speaking of manipulative women pulling heartstrings, can we go
01:26:10
to the IEO waste now? Yes, we can.
01:26:17
I don't know, I don't even know where to start.
01:26:19
I don't know if I want to start with the hot tent or, or the, or
01:26:28
the Lost in the Dunes. Let's get we'll, we'll, we'll
01:26:35
come back to the hot tent. Let's go to the Lost in the
01:26:37
Dunes. I was not expecting to see the
01:26:39
Tuathawan again, and especially not in this manner.
01:26:45
Right with with with a good number of them being slaughtered
01:26:50
by the IL or by one of the sex of the IL.
01:26:55
That was sad. And to see kind of E Gwaine have
01:26:58
to take that in because you know, E Gwaine travelled with
01:27:00
the 2. Of them on.
01:27:02
And and grew to understand their ways and, you know, have
01:27:06
compassion for them to see that sex come to such a bloody
01:27:13
demise. And for what?
01:27:15
Because there was water nearby. Yeah.
01:27:19
And what I mean, they say it's it, it's against their own, it's
01:27:25
against the law to attack the lost ones.
01:27:28
Yeah, or that's what the the guy said, I think.
01:27:31
But what Ivienda said, she said she said it is dishonorable to.
01:27:39
This is humble, not to defend yourself.
01:27:42
But it's even more dishonorable to attack those.
01:27:45
Who won't? Defend themselves, yeah, because
01:27:48
I kind of got that from the other, the other dream Walker
01:27:51
when EG Wayne was saying we need to bury them and she was like,
01:27:55
is their fault they're dead? They didn't defend themselves.
01:27:58
I was like, oh, y'all really don't have respect for them like
01:28:02
'cause she was just like, it is that's on them.
01:28:05
They should have defended themselves, which I, I mean, I
01:28:10
kind of feel the same way. I just, I don't understand the
01:28:13
mindset of just existing. And then if someone attacks you,
01:28:19
you're just going to be like, OK, I'm just going to.
01:28:21
I I don't, I do not believe. In the other cheeks.
01:28:24
I know, remember. We saw them in the first season.
01:28:27
They literally said that. And we had that same discussion.
01:28:30
I was like, I am not, I am not of the.
01:28:33
Mindset of. The other cheek I can.
01:28:35
No, I just. You're not built that way.
01:28:38
No, I'm not, because it's like, like if you're trying to take my
01:28:42
life and take the life of my family and my friends, I will
01:28:47
fight you to the death to do it. But in order to kill me, you are
01:28:50
going to have to earn it. No, the way of the Leaf.
01:28:54
No you do not. They are true pacifist.
01:28:58
I know. They don't even turn the other
01:29:00
cheek. They'll stand there and look at
01:29:02
you as you do it. Like she said, some of them
01:29:04
didn't even run. No, they didn't.
01:29:07
Yeah, they just, Yeah. It's it's the way of belief.
01:29:13
Yeah. Yeah, but interesting.
01:29:16
They call them the lost ones. I wonder why they call them the
01:29:18
lost Ones. I don't know why, but I'm just
01:29:21
saying. Yeah, I.
01:29:22
Did wonder that too because but I mean, I guess I guess if you
01:29:27
think about it it, it's kind of like watching rings of power and
01:29:31
the the hard foots the. Hard foots.
01:29:34
It's kind of like if you're just traveling all the time, if if
01:29:37
you're wandering, so to speak, that could be a definition of
01:29:43
loss because it's like you, you don't have any particular
01:29:46
direction that you're going. You don't have a particular
01:29:49
destination. You just kind of whatever.
01:29:52
The you then made me have to pull out a token quote.
01:29:58
All those wonder wonder I lost. I'm not lost.
01:30:03
I know, I know, but that I know, but that I mean, that's how the
01:30:09
heart foots look at themselves. They're like, we're not lost.
01:30:11
We know exactly where we're going exactly.
01:30:14
But to the outsider, it may, it may not look that simple or it
01:30:17
may not be that simple. They can just be like, OK,
01:30:20
they're just, they're lost because they're just, they're
01:30:23
just kind of going anywhere. They they have no sense of
01:30:26
direction. They have no sense of
01:30:28
destination. They're just kind of like, OK,
01:30:30
we're just going, yeah. So yeah.
01:30:32
But we hear about the shy though.
01:30:34
I yield, which is like if anybody was going to do it, it'd
01:30:38
be them. And and then Land is like she's
01:30:41
like, Oh, well, these are sword wounds and Land's like, Nah,
01:30:46
those are those are. Spears made.
01:30:49
To look like swords, yeah. And they're like, because Ibn,
01:30:54
it's like, no IL would do this. Well, apparently there's a small
01:30:58
group of you that would. There's a group that would this
01:31:00
side though. You know you always have that
01:31:02
one black sheep person or group. And and what and whether we
01:31:07
already talked about anytime you have a large group of people,
01:31:12
you always going to have a group within that group that's not
01:31:16
doing the right thing. That's going to buck the system
01:31:18
you're. Not going to do the right thing.
01:31:20
Right. Because why?
01:31:22
If all of you are trying to survive, if you're all part of
01:31:25
the same group, you know, what was it?
01:31:27
They were walking. They were like, be careful.
01:31:31
There's water up ahead and they all start going like they're
01:31:34
about to attack. Yeah, she's saying more.
01:31:36
People have pain. More blood has been spilled over
01:31:39
water than over gold. In the threefold Land, yeah,
01:31:42
because again, as you've told us, water is very scarce in the
01:31:46
waste. So obviously when it's around,
01:31:51
yeah, there might be some fighting for it, but to the
01:31:55
point where you're killing all of those people for it.
01:31:59
Yeah, I was like, OK, even your even their name, the shadow that
01:32:05
that sounds just shake. Sounds like the shadow.
01:32:08
It does it just like, OK, something about y'all ain't
01:32:13
right. But the other thing that we need
01:32:17
to touch on with the IEO is the conversation that Gwen has with
01:32:21
the with the woman who we thought appeared in Iguaine's
01:32:26
dreams. But no, it turns out Iguaine
01:32:28
actually appeared in her, which opens up even more questions
01:32:33
about what it is that Iguaine can do.
01:32:36
And we do find out they do call it dream walking in this show
01:32:39
too. Because I meant.
01:32:40
She and she said Iguaine there hasn't been the dream Walker in
01:32:44
the tower in hundreds of years. Hundreds of years.
01:32:47
Yeah. So that's going to be
01:32:51
interesting to see how that develops, because again, it Gwen
01:32:55
was in her own dream, being being choked out by Rena slash
01:32:59
land fear, and then all of a sudden she ends up in this
01:33:02
other. Woman, she goes to someone
01:33:03
else's dream. Yeah.
01:33:04
I'm like, how do you just pop into a person's dream, a person
01:33:08
you don't even know? But like, I think it was this
01:33:12
episode where she explains to Egg Wayne, she says everyone
01:33:16
can, everyone has the ability to touch Teleron Rion, but not
01:33:21
everyone has the ability to enter it, right?
01:33:24
And I was like, oh, OK. So it's just kind of like,
01:33:27
again, going back to Inception, it's like a dream within a
01:33:29
dream. Right.
01:33:31
So yeah. This isn't a spoiler, but in the
01:33:36
book there there are several ways you can get into Teleron
01:33:40
Riyadh. You are a dream Walker and you
01:33:43
can let me not give way too much so you can go there.
01:33:50
In your dream, you can physically enter Teleron Riyadh,
01:33:57
which is the most dangerous thing to do.
01:34:00
OK. And you can kind of.
01:34:05
And there are other ways to get there too.
01:34:09
We see Swan and Rain use the picture frames.
01:34:16
Oh, is that what they were doing?
01:34:17
Is that Teleron Rial where we where we saw them meet?
01:34:20
I I didn't, I didn't know that at the time.
01:34:23
Yeah, there's some or Tehran rial that can help you get into
01:34:31
the world of dreams. OK, OK.
01:34:38
And I'm sure you'll probably find out more about this as the
01:34:41
episodes go on, because. Yeah, A.
01:34:43
Lot. Yeah, when this when this
01:34:45
episode aired, there are a lot of people suspecting that maybe
01:34:49
some of those items that were stolen out of the 13th
01:34:53
repository were because more those of us who read the books
01:35:00
know there are more of those items to enter the world of
01:35:06
dreams. Ah, OK.
01:35:08
Most of them were made for that purpose, so it's possible that
01:35:12
they were because if you're going to have secret meetings,
01:35:17
we saw a secret meeting in the beginning of season.
01:35:20
Was that season 2? With.
01:35:23
Ishamael, And that was in Teleron, Riyadh, so not everyone
01:35:28
can get there. So how did they get there?
01:35:30
They had to use items of power to get there.
01:35:32
So they have Trollix in Teleron Riyadh too.
01:35:36
If he had wanted to bring one there, he could have remember,
01:35:40
he could. He could bring one there
01:35:42
physically. OK, OK.
01:35:46
He wanted to show the little girl one and he also, if they
01:35:50
are, if they've made them as powerful as I think they made
01:35:53
them, he could create one there and it may not be a real 1.
01:35:58
Oh, OK. It would just be a a
01:36:00
manifestation of real 1. OK.
01:36:02
But he also could have brought one there physically as well.
01:36:06
OK, OK. But not all, not all, not even
01:36:12
all the Forsaken have that ability to enter tell around Rob
01:36:17
physically. OK, Landfair, we do know
01:36:21
Landfair can. I'm assuming she can.
01:36:25
Because I think that's, I think when Moraine discussed landfill
01:36:29
for the first time, that was what she said she could do.
01:36:35
She was telling Rand that that was that was the her, her, I
01:36:40
don't know, her strongest power, if that was what she was known
01:36:43
for, if that was, you know, her specialty.
01:36:46
But yeah, that she could, that she could come to you in your
01:36:50
dreams and that she could kill you in your dreams.
01:36:53
Yeah, but OK, why do you have that click on your face?
01:36:57
I just had a thought and I'm not going to say anything else about
01:37:02
about that. OK, but I'm assuming we're going
01:37:05
to learn more about Teleron Riyadh because now that E Gwain
01:37:09
knows that this is possible, well, I won't even say possibly.
01:37:13
This. Is something you can do.
01:37:15
Yeah, and it plays a very important role in a lot of
01:37:18
things that's coming up. Oh, OK.
01:37:22
Well, in the book, in the story going forward is very important.
01:37:28
They have in the book it has. It takes Gwen a long time to
01:37:34
master the world of dreams like a wise one.
01:37:38
They've started the process already, so it seems like
01:37:42
they're going to accelerate her learning.
01:37:45
But it's, it's just, it takes her a while actually, but it
01:37:49
looks like they're going to try to speed that up because we
01:37:51
don't have the time. To.
01:37:53
Have them coach her into, you know, knowing how to do all this
01:37:56
stuff. Yeah, because the lady told her
01:37:58
she was going to teach her because she saw the bruises and
01:38:01
she was like the woman who you see in your dream, she's causing
01:38:03
these bruises. And it was like, yeah, well, I
01:38:06
was told that whatever hurts are inflicted on me and tell her I
01:38:10
will show up in the real world. And lady was like, OK, you know
01:38:14
what? Later on tonight, I'm going to
01:38:16
show you how to protect yourself.
01:38:17
And I was like, oh, OK. Like, you would think that she
01:38:21
would be more cautious about that.
01:38:22
But like you said, they don't have a lot of time.
01:38:24
So that's probably, they're probably just like, OK, well,
01:38:27
you know what? You wear the Isodai ring.
01:38:29
And it's maybe as far as the IO waste, they don't know of any of
01:38:34
the stuff that's going on in the tower.
01:38:36
They don't know about black eyes.
01:38:37
And they just know. OK.
01:38:38
The Izodi are supposed to be the people that are helping the
01:38:41
world. So since you are Izodi and you
01:38:44
are with the possible Kara Khan, we'll help you.
01:38:47
Yeah. You know.
01:38:48
And now, and now I think about it, it makes me think that what
01:38:52
Landfill is doing, because at first I thought Landfill was in
01:38:55
East Wayne's dream, but I think Landfill is pulling her in to
01:38:59
tell around Riyadh. OK.
01:39:05
And that's where she's hurting her and telling around Riyadh, I
01:39:11
think, or is Wolf, maybe we'll see.
01:39:15
Because it could be she's just going into her dreams, going
01:39:21
into Eagle Wayne's dreams and attacking her there, because
01:39:26
Eagle Wayne does still have trauma about that.
01:39:29
But it would also be beneficial for Landfill to pull her into
01:39:32
Totoran Riyad, because Gwen has no idea what's really happening.
01:39:36
Yeah. Does that make sense?
01:39:39
Yes. So I guess it doesn't matter
01:39:41
because she could be doing that in one of those things and they
01:39:43
will be equally as dangerous for Gwen because Gwen doesn't know
01:39:46
what what's happening. Yeah, so that's OK.
01:39:50
She about to learn. Well, hopefully.
01:39:52
Well, yeah, because if if Bear's going to teach her and Bear's a
01:39:56
dream Walker, then yeah. Yeah.
01:40:00
Yeah. So OK, I look, I'm just waiting
01:40:04
for the I'm waiting for the day when a Gwaine has been properly
01:40:09
trained and she and laugh here can go up against each other.
01:40:14
I just want to see that fight. I just want to see that fight.
01:40:18
So OK, so let's let's go to the steam Hut.
01:40:21
The hot. Yoga, the sauna, whatever he's
01:40:27
got going. So LAN.
01:40:29
Was like. Let's talk about first of all,
01:40:31
let's talk about beautiful women pulling heart strings anyway.
01:40:36
But yeah, LAN is like what the fuck, it's hot in here.
01:40:41
And even Marine who likes her baths hot shit where they're
01:40:44
like Oh my God. Right.
01:40:46
Oh, they're making it hotter. And the the girl said she was
01:40:50
like, what? Have you never been in the steam
01:40:52
tent before? And Lamb was like, no, we have
01:40:54
not. And what, what, what's the older
01:40:57
wise wise one's name? Bear Yes.
01:41:02
What's the silver? Hair, she was like, yeah, they
01:41:04
have so much water where they're from.
01:41:06
They they sit in it and and bathe.
01:41:11
So The funny thing about it is they're sitting there having a
01:41:14
conversation and Marine asks a question.
01:41:18
Oh, she asked him about Ruidian and the woman was like, do they
01:41:24
not teach you manners where you're from, child?
01:41:26
I was like, wait, and Marine is even looking at land.
01:41:30
Like what the fuck did I say? Just ask her a question.
01:41:35
But you know, that's how it is when you go into the when you go
01:41:38
into the world or the land of another culture and you don't
01:41:41
know what their what their customs are, what their
01:41:45
procedures are. You don't know what's what's
01:41:47
acceptable, what's not acceptable.
01:41:49
What was it when they were walking before and he had, she
01:41:53
asked him, someone asked him a question about the wise ones and
01:41:57
he's like, that's the wise ones business.
01:41:59
Well, who are the wise ones? How did you how did you know we
01:42:02
were coming? That's wise.
01:42:04
Ones business. And who are the wise ones?
01:42:06
That's also. Wise ones business.
01:42:10
So apparently they can call people child 'cause that is wise
01:42:14
ones business. Yeah, but Moraine is probably
01:42:16
older than all of them. Are you sure?
01:42:20
Oh, well, I, I mean, I don't know 'cause I don't know
01:42:22
anything about the IEO people. I don't know anything about how
01:42:25
long they live and stuff like that.
01:42:27
So. We don't know.
01:42:29
We don't know. But anyway, so in the steam hook
01:42:32
while they're having this conversation of.
01:42:35
Oh, she asked about Rowidian. So Rowidian is where the chiefs
01:42:39
go, where men go to become chiefs and women go to become
01:42:45
wise. And that's where apparently Rand
01:42:48
has to go to be declared the car con.
01:42:52
Yeah. OK.
01:42:54
And it's it's a city. Is that a city?
01:42:58
It is a place. OK, it's a place.
01:43:00
OK, very distinct. OK, it's.
01:43:03
No, this, I mean, it's a place. OK.
01:43:07
City Place, right? Right.
01:43:10
So that he does get that little bit of or land and Moraine do
01:43:14
get that little bit of information and stuff while
01:43:17
there. But I think the most interesting
01:43:19
thing that happens in this Hut is there is a woman over to the
01:43:21
side and she is just looking both inland and Moraine's
01:43:25
direction. And land is like, I think she's
01:43:28
looking at you. And Moraine's like, no, she's
01:43:29
looking at you. And LAN is trying to convince
01:43:33
Moraine like, hey, she's looking at you, why don't you go hang
01:43:36
out with her? Like you deserve to be happy
01:43:38
too. And Moraine says, do you think
01:43:41
that being with her is what I need to be happy?
01:43:43
He said, well, let's start. And she was like, it's been so
01:43:46
long since I've been with someone else.
01:43:47
He was like, you don't learn how to do it.
01:43:50
You don't forget. You don't forget how to do.
01:43:52
It right you, don't you? Don't forget how it works,
01:43:55
right? So when the woman comes out and
01:43:58
stands in front of them, she's looking at both of them, or
01:44:01
Moraine is giving her a serious eye.
01:44:03
She's like, yeah, I might well. Well, she got a nipple hanging
01:44:07
out so. Well, yeah, that too, but she
01:44:10
was like, yeah, I might need to do this.
01:44:12
And then she looks at Land, and she says something about would
01:44:15
you care to join me? And Land is looking at her.
01:44:19
And he turns to look at Maraine. Like, no, I don't think this is
01:44:22
what I want to do. She turns around to walk out of
01:44:25
the tent, and she has a tattoo on her back that makes both Land
01:44:30
and Moraine gasp. Right.
01:44:33
This immediately makes me land, stand up and walk out the tent
01:44:39
to follow her. And he asked her who are you and
01:44:44
she tells him her name and what tribe she's from from the IEO.
01:44:47
He was like the IEO don't have tattoos, she said.
01:44:50
Also, you do recognize and he said what are you doing with the
01:44:54
what? What is it with the something?
01:44:55
The Golden Crane. The golden crane of Malchiere on
01:44:59
your back. And then she proceeds to tell
01:45:01
him that she was a child when the blight came and she was
01:45:05
like, look, I'm part of the IEO. She was like, I ran for my life
01:45:10
and one of the one of the wise ones found me and adopted me as
01:45:13
her daughter. She was like, but I will break
01:45:17
my spirits today and follow you back to my care in order to take
01:45:23
our city back. I was like, oh, so like, she
01:45:27
would have been a child because LAN was a baby when Ma care
01:45:30
fell. So she was like, OK, so yeah, I
01:45:36
I'll follow you if you want to go take it back.
01:45:38
And he was like, ma care is gone.
01:45:41
And what is it that she said? She says as long as one man
01:45:44
wears the the Dory and one woman and one woman wears something
01:45:51
else. She.
01:45:52
Yeah, she was like, we can go back and claim it.
01:45:56
Yeah, Macchia lives as long as she she.
01:46:01
Called him another time, she said.
01:46:04
Because. She.
01:46:06
Yeah, what is? That this is like king.
01:46:10
Oh, OK, because she asked me. She said I see you, you carry
01:46:13
your father's sword. She was like, do you still fight
01:46:16
his fight? And he almost looked, I don't
01:46:19
know, offended that at that. He was like, I have never
01:46:22
forgotten. And she was like, OK.
01:46:25
OK, I have to speak to him to say every day, God damn it.
01:46:31
But he was like, I've never forgotten.
01:46:34
So I was like, OK, so Land has one of his people there with
01:46:38
him. So I don't know if that if that
01:46:41
means something like, because one of the things that we didn't
01:46:46
mention in the last episode that I didn't think about until
01:46:50
afterwards, we were talking about.
01:46:53
We were talking about the nice moments that LAN and Naive were
01:46:57
having. And one of the moments that they
01:46:59
had was when they get ready to part ways because she's staying
01:47:03
at the tower. He's going on this quest with
01:47:05
Ran. He places his mother's ring in
01:47:09
her hand. The proposal.
01:47:13
I don't know if I look at that as a proposal.
01:47:15
Because it is the proposal. OK, you say it's a proposal, but
01:47:20
it's a. Proposal.
01:47:21
But you know, I think he was, he was kind of referencing her time
01:47:26
in the Arches and he told her, he said there is no other woman
01:47:29
I would have as my queen in this or any.
01:47:32
Any life. You know.
01:47:34
That sounds like a proposal to me.
01:47:36
Hunter girl it. It doesn't to me.
01:47:38
And I'm, I'm going to tell you why, because I think with the
01:47:43
first season when we saw them together and even with this
01:47:46
season, they have both acknowledged that as much as
01:47:49
they care about each other, as much as they love each other,
01:47:51
they cannot be together for various reasons.
01:47:54
I mean, even 90s says in the Arches they were happy, but they
01:47:59
also weren't because they weren't who they weren't what
01:48:02
they they weren't doing what they really wanted to do.
01:48:07
OK, you can interpret that one way, or you can interpret it as
01:48:11
neither one of them have become who they are supposed to be.
01:48:16
Yes. And when that point, when that
01:48:19
happens, they will be together. And and and in that case I
01:48:23
accept. I expect a proper proposal, but
01:48:28
I I think that would. He he is a king who is not a
01:48:32
king, and she is in she is the most powerful in 1000 years.
01:48:42
Out of drink, no. But yeah.
01:48:44
So I kind of looked at it more as a symbolic gesture instead of
01:48:50
a proposal. Now, once they get to be.
01:48:52
A friendship ring. Supposed to be then not not even
01:48:56
I won't even say a friendship OK, a promise ring Let's let's.
01:48:59
Say, there you go, Promise Ring. I looked at that as we'll be
01:49:02
halfway. Promise Ring.
01:49:04
OK, yeah, promise ring. But you know, I just, I just
01:49:09
felt like because they mentioned that and, you know, they talked
01:49:13
a little bit about the history of Mal care because he was
01:49:17
explaining to her about the Mal care blade.
01:49:20
And then now they're doing this part.
01:49:22
I was like, OK, so is land going to try to become king?
01:49:27
Like is he going to try to claim his Kingdom back?
01:49:30
Is he going to try to rebuild? And that's why they're throwing
01:49:34
all of these because in the first season, we, we didn't hear
01:49:37
almost anything about who he was until towards the end of the
01:49:40
season. And now we've heard it, but
01:49:45
three episodes in a row, I'm like, are we going to get some
01:49:50
of that? Like is that going to be a part
01:49:52
of the story? A part of his story?
01:49:54
So I I don't know. I just I just thought it was
01:49:57
very interesting that envy IO waste of all places, he happens
01:50:03
to find someone from his Kingdom.
01:50:05
That was just very interesting to me.
01:50:08
So I don't know are are we going to see anything about Mountier
01:50:13
Anthony? Do they?
01:50:15
Do they? Maybe.
01:50:18
Maybe I'm. Not going to.
01:50:20
I'm not going to pay. She's she's an original
01:50:22
character with not an original character name, but she's an
01:50:26
original character. And I, I could say it is a seed
01:50:32
to let you know that there are some Al Kiri out there.
01:50:37
Just because this city is gone doesn't mean the people are
01:50:39
gone. Right, right.
01:50:41
That's yeah. But OK, I just like I.
01:50:46
Said, I thought that he he has a very they all steal from each
01:50:49
other. He's very symmetric born.
01:50:52
It's it's the same, it's the same thing.
01:50:56
OK, OK. He spent most of his life in the
01:50:59
wilderness as as a Ranger, knowing he was the rightful heir
01:51:06
to the throne of Gondor. Right.
01:51:10
And Arnor. But you know, something had to
01:51:14
push him to do what he needed to do.
01:51:16
Yeah, OK, All right. But I'll just keep that in my
01:51:23
mind because I would like to see a little bit more of like I know
01:51:27
the story is mainly focused on Moraine and on Ran, but I would
01:51:32
like to see a little bit more of stories from the other
01:51:36
characters point of views, especially the interesting
01:51:39
characters. Because yes, I know Land is kind
01:51:41
of he's kind of quiet, he's kind of stoic, but to me, he's still
01:51:45
one of the more interesting characters on the show.
01:51:48
So I would like to see a little bit more from his perspective,
01:51:51
his point of view and and kind of a a story of his own and not
01:51:56
him being, you know, just kind of like a spoke in the wheel of
01:52:00
everyone else's. But let's see, where do we want
01:52:06
to go next? Do we want to go to parent or do
01:52:08
we want to go to Matt? Do we want to say Matt for last?
01:52:11
Yes. OK, we're going to save Matt for
01:52:13
last. Let's let's go to the Two
01:52:15
Rivers. Karen is not having a great time
01:52:20
trying to turn himself in. Like they're making it very,
01:52:25
very hard for him to do this. Yeah, so I think we talked about
01:52:28
this last episode they made. They made it different because
01:52:31
in the book he comes back because he hears the two of his
01:52:35
is in trouble and he gets there he finds out that his family has
01:52:39
been murdered. But here Tam Al Thor, Rand's
01:52:44
father, got parents family out and.
01:52:50
That's father as well, because that that's part of the conflict
01:52:55
with this episode, because the White Cloaks have taken Matt's
01:52:58
mother and sisters because they found out, oh, her husband
01:53:02
helped the Iberas get out. So we're going to take them.
01:53:07
And then you know, when, when this group of people come into
01:53:14
Egwayne's mother's Tavern Hut where?
01:53:17
Where? Yeah, when they come in and tell
01:53:20
them they're like yeah, they took they took Natty and the
01:53:23
girls because I can't remember Matt's father's name because he
01:53:29
helped the Ibaras leave. And then parent comes down and
01:53:33
they're like who are you? And one of the guys is like hey,
01:53:35
that's parent, that's the Ibarra boy.
01:53:37
Like that's the whole reason Daddy is gone.
01:53:40
And parent tells them he's like, look, if they came for me then
01:53:45
I'll go turn myself in. So they'll let Natty and the
01:53:48
girls go. Like this was Parents plan all
01:53:50
along. He had said this in the last
01:53:51
episode. Like, if that's why they're
01:53:53
here, then we'll go ahead and just, you know, turn myself in
01:53:57
and and we'll, you know, fix it. But when they have a a meeting
01:54:02
of the townspeople later on that day, they're like, OK, but
01:54:06
here's the thing. If you turn yourselves in, if
01:54:08
you turn yourself in, yeah, they'll let Natty and the girls
01:54:11
go. But then that means the white
01:54:13
clothes won't have any reason to be here anymore.
01:54:16
And if the white clothes leave, we don't have protection against
01:54:20
the Trollix anymore. And then what is it that Gwen's
01:54:23
mom says She says. So if that happens, then we
01:54:26
won't even have our pride left when the Trollix come because
01:54:31
she's in her mind. Like she said she was like,
01:54:33
parent, we've all watched you grow up.
01:54:36
You are part of this town. We protect our own.
01:54:38
And, you know, yes, there are a couple of people who are like,
01:54:41
yeah, we'll just let him turn himself in and then we'll be
01:54:43
safe. I don't know who that one woman
01:54:45
was that was going off on that dude.
01:54:48
She was like, look. Oh, Con conjure, Conjure, yeah.
01:54:52
Lady Conjure, Yeah. We're not about to turn him in.
01:54:55
And if you want to talk about who's what, I'm going to tell
01:54:58
you what you are. And he's looking at her like.
01:55:01
Hey, let's just real quick and real note on the group that show
01:55:06
that the the new people Luke and and fire you.
01:55:11
They are hunters for the horn. Yes, so.
01:55:15
They came to the Two Rivers looking for the horn.
01:55:19
They're on the wrong side of the world.
01:55:21
They don't know it yet. They don't, unless unless
01:55:24
they've heard the gleaming singing of Matt Coffin from the
01:55:27
Two Rivers as the Horn. Apparently it hasn't gotten
01:55:31
everywhere yet. Apparently that story has not
01:55:34
gotten everywhere, because if they heard it in the Two Rivers,
01:55:37
they would not believe it. Right.
01:55:42
So yeah, put a pin in Fayil and put a pin in Luke, because
01:55:48
they're very important. OK, yeah, that Fayil she is that
01:55:54
her name? Fayil.
01:55:57
Fayil. Fayil.
01:55:58
Yeah, well, that's her real name, because the name that he
01:56:01
she gave him was. The same as Lance, horse, Lance.
01:56:05
Horse. She's like, I dare you say
01:56:08
something bad about it. No, no, no, no, no.
01:56:10
That's that's what he named this horse.
01:56:12
Yeah, I know my. Friend named this horse.
01:56:14
Yeah, that's what he called this horse.
01:56:16
But she she seems to have kind of a curious interest in Paris.
01:56:26
Karen Ibarra. Karen Ibarra.
01:56:28
I know and I love the way she talks.
01:56:30
I love the way she says his name.
01:56:31
I'm like, OK, yeah, I can. Like, I don't know if this is
01:56:36
where this is going, but I ship them.
01:56:38
I, I don't know something about them two together.
01:56:40
I can. I can so.
01:56:42
Far the two perfect castings on this show are Leandrian and
01:56:47
Fayo. Really perfect castings.
01:56:50
OK, OK, yeah. But yeah, so they come in and
01:56:55
and parent, they basically tell parent, OK, yeah, no, you're not
01:56:59
giving yourself up because one, we take care of our own and two,
01:57:04
if you give yourself up, the white coats will leave and then
01:57:08
the Trollix will still come. So they decide at that moment
01:57:12
parents not going to give themself up.
01:57:13
But then parent happens to see a lot of them are getting ready to
01:57:17
leave. And he was like, where are you
01:57:18
guys going? And they're like, yeah, I'm
01:57:21
about to go back to my farm, like.
01:57:24
Yeah. There's no reason for us to stay
01:57:26
here anymore. And he was like, what happens if
01:57:28
the travelers come? That dude was like I had a oak
01:57:31
fall on my property. I'm going to go home and turn it
01:57:34
into a bar for the door and parent is like that shit ain't
01:57:37
going to work. Were y'all not here at bell
01:57:39
time? Did y'all not see?
01:57:40
That's what I said, they got some short, they got some short
01:57:43
ass memories they don't even remember.
01:57:45
I think it must be a trauma response.
01:57:47
It it has blacked it out 'cause. 'Cause there was.
01:57:51
Like, OK, yeah, there's one or two, you know, one or two
01:57:54
trollops here or there. You know, we can do that.
01:57:56
But if, yeah, if 100 come, he was like 10 people over here, 20
01:58:02
people over here, 20 people be over there.
01:58:05
He was like, no, you guys are just going to be trolley food
01:58:07
basically. No, we have to stick together.
01:58:12
That's the best way to fight them.
01:58:14
And I'm sitting here looking at him make this little speech and
01:58:16
I'm like, so you don't want to be a leader parent, huh?
01:58:19
You said this before to Rand and now you having to say it to her
01:58:24
because she said the same thing when she was like, so yeah,
01:58:28
you're going to you're going to have to do this if you're going
01:58:30
to leave. And he was like, I don't want to
01:58:31
leave. She just.
01:58:32
OK, sure. OK.
01:58:35
Yeah, it seems like a natural born leader to me.
01:58:37
He. Does, isn't he?
01:58:39
He's also a Tiberian. He's a Tiberian to say man.
01:58:43
But you know it's. It's so.
01:58:45
I know, but it's so strange because that that time has not
01:58:49
come up in the show at all. I'm going to keep saying it
01:58:52
until they bring it back. I know because to say it would
01:58:56
explain some of the things that's happening to them and
01:59:00
that would explain what's happening to to parent.
01:59:04
Yeah. Not what's happening to him, but
01:59:06
that would help you understand how the pattern is shaping
01:59:10
itself around him, putting him in this position where he's
01:59:14
going to be leading these people.
01:59:16
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:59:19
Which, you know, going back to the other couple that's in the
01:59:25
Two Rivers, we got all these couples together.
01:59:28
We. Do.
01:59:30
Maxim and Alana and that whole scene with them was
01:59:35
heartbreaking. It would, I mean even even the
01:59:39
one. With.
01:59:41
Her, yeah, I was going to say the one with him, with her and
01:59:45
parent in the apple blossom, I guess.
01:59:47
I don't know. I don't want to call it an
01:59:49
orchard, but just like she was like OK, so.
01:59:51
You say it was a graveyard. Yeah, it was.
01:59:53
It's a burial site because she was like, I never would have
01:59:55
taken you as a gardener. He's like, this is, you know,
01:59:58
it's not that this is a burial site.
02:00:00
This is where all of my family are buried.
02:00:02
And he explains that when his family is buried.
02:00:06
They're each buried with an apple blossom seed in their
02:00:09
hand. And that's why you have these
02:00:11
beautiful white apple trees just kind of in the middle of all
02:00:15
this green. I thought it was so beautiful.
02:00:17
And, you know, she sits down and she was like, so whose tree is
02:00:21
that? Because he's putting his broken
02:00:23
ring in the tree. Because I don't think we
02:00:25
mentioned that when when he got attacked by for a second, his
02:00:29
his ring was broken because the axe hit him in the hand.
02:00:32
So he was telling her that that was his wife's.
02:00:34
And he was like, I missed her burial.
02:00:37
And he said it pains and also comforts me to see how her tree
02:00:41
has blossomed in my absence. And I was like, that's so sad
02:00:46
because that tree was already like several feet high.
02:00:50
That tells you how long he's been gone.
02:00:53
But and then. She explained to him about the
02:00:57
ass. Yes, we were the ass.
02:01:00
She said we, we, yeah, we, we, we use the ash of our loved ones
02:01:06
and we mix it. What did she say?
02:01:08
We mix it with clay and water. And we wear it on our face like
02:01:11
a second skin so that the grief will seep in.
02:01:17
And that just made me hurt so much more because we know that
02:01:21
now that she's wearing that for Ivan.
02:01:24
And then to have her and Maxim have the conversation after that
02:01:28
where he was like, why don't you turn the bond on?
02:01:30
You've never kept it on this long.
02:01:31
She's like, well, I'm keeping it on because we're in danger.
02:01:34
We got trolleys and white cloaks around.
02:01:36
And he was like, I, you don't understand.
02:01:40
I can feel that. You feel nothing for Ivan.
02:01:42
And she was like, no, I'm just trying to protect myself because
02:01:45
I'm taking in all your grief. No, no, she said.
02:01:49
I'm drowning in your grief. Yeah, I'm drowning in your
02:01:54
grief. I'll wake up in the middle of
02:01:55
the night choking on it. Because what is it that she
02:01:59
tells, She tells parents, she says when because parent asked
02:02:05
her if she's going to get another water.
02:02:08
And she said, you know, I've lost waters before.
02:02:11
But with us three, it was different, she said.
02:02:14
When she said Maxim and I were the flame and Ivan knew how to
02:02:20
douse the fire. When 2, when 2, when a couple,
02:02:25
you know, when one of a couple dies, She was like the the one
02:02:29
left behind has the grief. But when one of three is gone,
02:02:35
who? Who owns the grief?
02:02:37
Who? Owns that grief.
02:02:38
That was heartbreaking too. Because you know, if she's
02:02:41
masking hers so that he doesn't feel it because his is so bad,
02:02:46
Can you imagine like what that would be?
02:02:50
They would probably both be not able to function.
02:02:55
The the the agony on her face and.
02:02:59
On his. In your grief, like I'm, I wake
02:03:03
up in the middle of night choking on it.
02:03:06
Yeah, yeah. And his too, because even even
02:03:11
later on, when Bane and Chiad, they're trying to, you know,
02:03:15
they're trying to get Loyale to play the the, the the IEO kiss
02:03:20
game. And he won't do.
02:03:23
It and then they get ready to walk over to Maxim and he's
02:03:27
like, absolutely not. And they think he's just being,
02:03:31
you know, I, I don't know, aloof or whatever.
02:03:35
And they're like, quit, quit trying to clean that dirty sword
02:03:38
and come play with us. And he was like, this is not a
02:03:40
dirty sword. This is the blood of the only
02:03:43
man I've ever loved. And they were just kind of like,
02:03:46
oh shit, we stuck our foot in our mouths.
02:03:48
Let us leave him alone. But I like that moment before
02:03:51
that when they're like, oh, we'll go easy on you.
02:03:53
It's your first time. He's like, what?
02:03:55
Makes you think this. Is makes you think it's my first
02:03:57
time. And then they got interested.
02:04:01
They're like, oh really? Right.
02:04:04
Right. Because everybody else is kind
02:04:06
of like, no, I don't want to play with y'all except for Matt.
02:04:09
But Matt is just, Matt was just horny.
02:04:11
So, you know, Matt was trying to get it from wherever he could
02:04:15
get it from. Yeah, but being and chatter
02:04:19
amazing, all of them, They're great.
02:04:21
They're great books too. Yeah, they're great books too.
02:04:24
Oh, OK. Yeah.
02:04:25
But yeah, Alana and Maxim. And that's the other thing,
02:04:28
because when they were having that conversation, Maxim and
02:04:30
Alana, he was basically like, you know, if you felt the grief
02:04:37
that I feel or if you feel whatever about Ivan and his
02:04:42
death, then you would want to do what I want to do, which is go
02:04:46
after Leandrian and make her pay for what she did to him.
02:04:49
But instead, we're in the Two rivers.
02:04:51
Why are we here? And that's the same question we
02:04:54
asked in the last episode. We were like, why the fuck are
02:04:56
they in the Two Rivers? And of course we don't get the
02:04:59
answer to that question, so we'll probably get in the next
02:05:02
episode of the episode after that.
02:05:03
But it's a good question like why are y'all way in the Two
02:05:07
Rivers? But but this also goes back to I
02:05:12
hate not being a dead horse, but the difference in why he became
02:05:16
a warder and why Ivan became a warder.
02:05:19
The the ability for a person to see the bigger picture.
02:05:23
Like they're more important things than hunting down
02:05:26
Leandrin for revenge. Well, of course Maxim doesn't
02:05:29
feel that way because he's not seeing a bigger picture.
02:05:33
He's only seeing that she hurt me and we need to make her pay.
02:05:38
And Alana, as an eyes to diagnose.
02:05:42
We have bigger fish to fry, you know.
02:05:45
And especially since we know she's already kind of pledged
02:05:49
herself to more reins, her calls in regards in regards to Rand.
02:05:54
So Alana, whatever she's doing in the Two Rivers, it could have
02:05:58
something to do with Rand. It could be there to protect
02:06:01
Rand's interest, to make sure he doesn't have to come back.
02:06:05
Because we do know that there are trollics always attacking
02:06:09
the Two Rivers. So she could be there for that,
02:06:13
to help these people to do something that Rand can't do.
02:06:16
Because as far as she knew, Rand, Matt and Parent were not
02:06:19
coming back, so someone had to be there to help them.
02:06:23
Yeah, yeah. That's the bigger picture, you
02:06:28
know, that's the bigger picture, and Maxim doesn't see that.
02:06:31
Because he's he's too much in his grief.
02:06:34
Yeah. Yeah.
02:06:35
And maybe that's another reason why Alana is kind of masking
02:06:39
hers. Because if she let that grief
02:06:41
overtake her, she's not going to be able to focus on the big,
02:06:45
bigger picture because she's going to be too distraught.
02:06:47
She's going to be too. Whatever.
02:06:49
So yeah, very, very big difference.
02:06:54
But yeah, let's see. Let's see.
02:07:01
I guess we can go to Matt. Before we do that, I do want to
02:07:05
say we do get a brief glimpse of Natty Coffin and the girls.
02:07:10
And I do just kind of love the way that Natty is telling the
02:07:13
white clothes. She was like, I will die before
02:07:15
I let you touch them. And I was like, I hope that's
02:07:17
not going to come to pass because here go, child Balda
02:07:21
right there talking about you and your cages.
02:07:24
Such a waste of metal, if you ask me.
02:07:26
Now, if you want to find out where they went, like I can get
02:07:31
it out of them. I can get it for you.
02:07:33
And and Dan is like, we're not about to the question.
02:07:37
Yeah, we're not about to resort to your methods.
02:07:39
He was like, I'm not trying to hurt anybody.
02:07:42
All I need is for the word to get out to parent that we have
02:07:46
them and we're looking for him. He will come to get them.
02:07:49
At least he does. You know, he has taken the
02:07:52
measure of Parent as a man. He knows Parent is going to come
02:07:55
try to rescue them, and Parents says as much, You know, to file.
02:08:00
He was like, yeah, oh, no. He says it to Loyale.
02:08:04
He was like, yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to go.
02:08:06
Get them. I'm starting to think that child
02:08:08
bother, this version of child bother just doesn't have a
02:08:11
problem with, has to die. I feel like he had a problem
02:08:15
with women. Yeah, I think we said that
02:08:18
before too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:08:21
It it's kind of because he's like.
02:08:24
He's just looking for an excuse to torture women.
02:08:27
Yeah. And that's, that's just.
02:08:30
And and and there's no age limit either.
02:08:33
No, he's going to get what's coming to him.
02:08:35
I'm and I'm I'm ready for it and at this point I don't care who
02:08:40
does it. At first I was like, it needs to
02:08:43
be either parent or inguain. Right now, it could be Dane.
02:08:46
I I don't care. It could be anybody.
02:08:49
It can be anybody. Let Alana do it.
02:08:51
Let Maxim do I, I don't care. Let Inguaine's Mama do it.
02:08:55
She might just be like, look, I'm just sick of you.
02:08:59
I don't care. I just want I, I want him dead.
02:09:03
I want him dead. He's just like, I'm trying to
02:09:05
think is there. It's one of those things where
02:09:08
every time he comes on the screen and he opens his mouth,
02:09:12
it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
02:09:15
It's that kind of irritating, like.
02:09:17
Oh my God, can you? Stop making my skin crawl.
02:09:21
Yeah, it's. Such an irritating character.
02:09:24
Yeah, yeah. Can't stand that muffle.
02:09:29
Anyway, so. So now we can go to Matt.
02:09:32
Now let's go to Matt because Matt is struggling with these
02:09:40
memories in his head and I said I don't know how to fix them.
02:09:43
Oh, that was something else I forgot to mention.
02:09:46
That was the last episode. Yes, Rima Sadai is back in the
02:09:50
tower, so I'm glad that they were able to get her out of the
02:09:55
clutches of the Sean Chan. Yeah, and they didn't have her
02:09:58
long enough to do too much damage to her mental state.
02:10:02
Yes, good. Well, she's probably a lot
02:10:05
tougher than than either Elaine or that other blue, Big Wayne or
02:10:12
the other blue. So she's probably mental,
02:10:14
mentally tougher. Yeah, because we didn't.
02:10:17
We haven't seen that that blue sitter back yet.
02:10:22
And I know. She was up.
02:10:24
She was, no, I think she, I think she might have been one of
02:10:27
the fatalities on the tower because she was on the tower
02:10:29
with Egwayne. I do remember seeing her.
02:10:34
But yeah, so the I said, I have been trying to figure out how to
02:10:39
help Matt with the memories that's in his head and try to
02:10:42
figure out what's going on with him and why he's, you know, all
02:10:46
of a sudden able to speak in the Old Tongue and they can't figure
02:10:49
it out. So Matt's struggling right now.
02:10:52
While he's in the midst of struggling, here comes Men
02:10:54
again, trying to, you know, come to him and, and apologize.
02:10:59
And it's I don't know how I feel about Men's character yet,
02:11:06
because it it's kind of like, you know, we talked about her
02:11:11
early in the episode, how she is playing the spy for Baron and
02:11:17
Liana with Elita Sadai. You know, they kind of planted
02:11:21
her as a servant in the tower to kind of, you know, check on a
02:11:25
lie to see what she's doing, report her, her, you know,
02:11:30
comings and goings and all of that other stuff.
02:11:33
And then on the other hand, you see her once she sees Matt,
02:11:36
she's like trying to apologize to Matt and, you know, just
02:11:39
trying to, I guess, still kind of incorporate herself into his
02:11:42
life, which to me, first of all, seems very inconsiderate because
02:11:50
you literally tried to sell, sell this guy out to the
02:11:52
Forsaken and Granny. She had a, she had a reasons.
02:11:57
And and I and I get that, but it just like if I'm mad I don't
02:12:02
give a fuck what your reasons are.
02:12:04
You tried to sell me out to some people who very possibly could
02:12:07
have had me killed. So OK, I'm going to, I'm going
02:12:12
to, I'm going to help men out here a little bit and I'm going
02:12:15
to help the writers out. They had to be explained or
02:12:19
tried to show us what it meant to be a Tavirian.
02:12:23
We would understand why people do things around them that we
02:12:28
may not really understand, but it happens for a reason.
02:12:32
So everything men did put him in the position that he needed to
02:12:36
be in to do what they needed to do to be around the horn and to
02:12:41
blow the horn, that that's what it means to be a Tavirian.
02:12:45
And and I get that part. So yeah, we can bash men all we
02:12:49
want, but she ultimately didn't really have a choice.
02:12:54
The patent was making her do these things because of the
02:13:01
gravity that is surrounding this Tavirian mat.
02:13:07
And I guess that's part of the story, that.
02:13:10
And that and that sort of they, they threw it out there in the
02:13:13
beginning. Those writers did.
02:13:15
And the writers ever since haven't really revisited that
02:13:18
aspect of them being Tavirian and.
02:13:21
I guess that kind of like I was about to say that that kind of
02:13:25
that part of the story kind of bothers me because in a sense,
02:13:31
it's almost like we're expected to not hold anyone accountable
02:13:37
because the will, the pattern is what's controlling their
02:13:42
actions. There is no free will, so to
02:13:44
speak. Yes, that is what that is, what
02:13:48
Robert Jordan was exploring as an author.
02:13:51
Destiny and free will is what he was exploring in those books and
02:13:56
the pattern basic the will basically tells you that you you
02:14:00
don't have free will. Yeah, and I don't.
02:14:04
Like, and you do have destiny. Yeah, and and I guess.
02:14:07
But but ultimately, ultimately I can tell you that the the Tom
02:14:12
and Tom and Gaiden, the the last battle is ultimately about free
02:14:17
will, OK at the end of the day, so.
02:14:21
At the end of the 15th book. Patterns and destinies and all
02:14:28
that stuff doesn't matter. But right now, to get us to that
02:14:33
point, to get us that, to that decision point, all these
02:14:37
characters have roles to fill. They have destinies, that is
02:14:42
and, and, and it took to explain even more the way that men's
02:14:48
visions work is that she's actually getting glimpses of the
02:14:55
wheel. That's why her things always
02:14:59
come true. She's seen things that are that
02:15:02
are literally happening. Well, I don't like the fact that
02:15:06
she has seen Matt hanging twice. Yes.
02:15:10
I don't like that. Yes, but I think it's doing it
02:15:13
also to motivate her because in the end she does follow them
02:15:17
when they decide to go to Tan Chico.
02:15:19
Yeah. Because her, her meeting Eliza
02:15:25
wasn't a fluke. That was part of the pattern.
02:15:28
Because what did Eliza tell her? Sometimes we can influence these
02:15:34
things. So she wants to save Matt.
02:15:38
That's the least that she could do.
02:15:40
For all the trouble that she's done for him is to keep him.
02:15:43
If she's around him, she can prevent it from happening.
02:15:47
However, what she fails to realize is her visions always
02:15:53
come true. Always.
02:15:55
Yeah, she's not going to be able to stop it, but.
02:15:59
As we learn with as we learn with Matt and Ran, they come
02:16:03
true, but not necessarily in the way that she sees them.
02:16:07
Yeah, she saw him stabbing Ran and assumed he killed him, but
02:16:10
no, he did stab him. That.
02:16:13
Happened but it came from throwing a spear, not like
02:16:16
direct. But I will also say this.
02:16:20
Who's not to say that that won't happen in the future?
02:16:24
It might happen again, yeah. So.
02:16:26
But yeah, but you know, one of the things that men does do is
02:16:31
later on, after Matt has, you know, kind of gone off of her,
02:16:35
he goes to find her to apologize to her.
02:16:38
And he was like, look, I understand, you know what you
02:16:42
did. I understand what you gave up
02:16:43
because she tells him, look, if Shamel was going to take away my
02:16:46
visions, but I gave that up for you.
02:16:50
And so he tells me. Yeah, I understand.
02:16:51
You know, I, I appreciate it. He was like, I have some things
02:16:55
going on with myself that nobody can fix.
02:17:00
And that's kind of causing, you know, whatever behavior,
02:17:02
whatever, whatever. And then while he's telling her
02:17:05
this, she sees another vision of him hanging and she starts
02:17:10
having this look. And Matt was like, I've seen
02:17:12
this look on your face before. I know what this means.
02:17:14
I don't want to know. I I've already told you, I don't
02:17:18
want to know what the future holds for me.
02:17:20
And as he's having this conversation with her, Lord
02:17:23
Galid, Elaine's brother comes in the hall.
02:17:26
And he's, you know, hey, she said, she said to leave her
02:17:30
alone because Matt is grabbing her at this time.
02:17:32
He was like, I don't want to. I don't want to know what's what
02:17:35
the vision is. And she's like, hey, it's OK.
02:17:37
You know, just let me go. So he misreads the situation.
02:17:41
He's like, hey, she said she doesn't want to be bothered.
02:17:44
And Matt is like, dude, you're not even part of this
02:17:46
conversation. Just get away from us.
02:17:49
And man is like, look, I don't need your help here.
02:17:52
And she goes in One Direction and Sir Gallard is trying to
02:17:57
take Matt to task. And Matt was like, oh, you were
02:17:59
just, you were just so great, aren't you?
02:18:01
You were just phenomenal or whatever.
02:18:03
He says to him very sarcastically.
02:18:06
He turns around. He walks off and he calls him a
02:18:07
prick. So he's in that little courtyard
02:18:13
and he has his little quarter staff and he's sitting there
02:18:16
against practicing like trying to remember what he used to do
02:18:19
as. I think he's just trying to
02:18:21
trying to refocus and clear his head.
02:18:24
Yeah, yeah. So he's doing that.
02:18:26
And while he's doing that, here come the brothers in there, and
02:18:30
they're being very, they're being assholes.
02:18:35
I say very douchey. They're being very douchey, very
02:18:38
douchey, you know, kind of making fun of Matt and like, oh,
02:18:43
well, we know the first person to call if a tree decides to
02:18:46
attack us and blah, blah, blah, because he's hitting this wooden
02:18:50
just kind of like this wooden pole.
02:18:52
And Matt is like, OK, whatever. Naive comes in and she's coming
02:18:59
to tell him, hey, I just want to come say goodbye.
02:19:02
We're going to, you know, we're we found out some stuff about
02:19:05
Leandra. We're going to leave.
02:19:07
And Matt is like, no, you're not going to leave without me.
02:19:10
And she's like, no, you really shouldn't come because blah,
02:19:13
blah, blah. And again, here comes Lord
02:19:15
Galley because my name is trying to leave and she doesn't want
02:19:19
Matt to come because she doesn't want Matt to be put in danger.
02:19:22
I think she said she wanted to leave.
02:19:23
And Matt's like, dude, give it a break.
02:19:26
Like, I would have been like, dude, this is one of my friends.
02:19:30
Will you, will you just like slack the fuck off?
02:19:34
But you know, they start going back and forth, back and forth.
02:19:37
And of course, Lord Galley is like, oh, do I have to teach you
02:19:41
some manners or whatever bullshit he says.
02:19:44
And you know, he and his brother were in there with their swords.
02:19:47
And what did he tell Matt? He was like, yeah, we can teach
02:19:50
you how to we can teach you how to fight with a proper weapon.
02:19:53
And Matt is like, no, I don't need it.
02:19:55
I'll, I'll take the Bo staff any day.
02:19:57
So that's when nanny comes in. They have the conversation and
02:20:01
then they start kind of going off on Matt.
02:20:03
Like what? She says she don't want to be
02:20:04
bothered. Do we have to like, you know, do
02:20:06
we have to teach her a lesson? And Matt's looking like at them
02:20:10
like, OK, you know what? Yeah, 2 marks says I can take
02:20:15
you with this. Both staff, 2 marks each.
02:20:17
And Nanny was like oh Matt because she's thinking Matt is
02:20:21
about to get his ass handed to him.
02:20:24
And at first, I was thinking so too, because Matt is not in,
02:20:28
he's not in a good headspace right now.
02:20:30
And these two brothers, as arrogant as they are, we have
02:20:34
seen them demonstrate their fighting skills.
02:20:36
They're pretty good. But then Matt looks at them and
02:20:41
he said something in the old Tongue.
02:20:42
And I don't know what it was he said.
02:20:44
But as soon as he said, I was like, oh.
02:20:46
It's time to toss the dice. Oh, that's what he says.
02:20:50
It's the same thing he said when he blew the horn.
02:20:53
Oh yes, OK, OK, so he says that and I knew he was looking at him
02:20:59
like what? And as soon as I I was just
02:21:03
like, OK, y'all about to get y'all's ass handed to him 'cause
02:21:06
he just spoke the old tongue. That means there's a little bit
02:21:08
of that hero of the horn somewhere in there.
02:21:13
And they proceed to. Get their asses kicked right.
02:21:18
And they get their asses kicked, quite, quite spectacularly at
02:21:23
that. Because The funny thing is, they
02:21:25
keep going back to Nyne's face. And Nyne doesn't it?
02:21:28
It looks like she doesn't know if she wants to look, say
02:21:32
something in disbelief, or if she wants to laugh.
02:21:34
She is holding her face so well because it's almost like she was
02:21:39
worried about Matt. But then once she sees what's
02:21:41
going on, she's amused because the brothers are getting what
02:21:44
what, you know, kind of what they deserve.
02:21:47
But Matt proceeds to whip their ass and then he throws the boat
02:21:51
staff away and he walks off and I was just like OK I love it
02:21:56
when Matt has his moments because they are too far and in
02:21:59
between. But this was glorious because
02:22:02
both of the brothers are looking at him like how the hell did he
02:22:05
just beat us with a stick? Right, he says he walks off 2
02:22:10
marks. And then just looking at him
02:22:16
like he, he knocked one of the brothers out, he knocked, he
02:22:19
knocked him out. Yeah, going.
02:22:21
He knocked him out. Knocked him out.
02:22:24
Yeah. But then after that, we see them
02:22:27
heading towards the docks, Elaine Naive and Matt, because
02:22:30
Matt has basically told them, yeah, you're you're not going
02:22:35
without me. Where are we going?
02:22:37
And then they kind of tell him, OK, so we're going to Tan Chico.
02:22:40
This is where we think Leandrin is.
02:22:42
And, you know, let's go off on the adventure.
02:22:47
And of course, at the end of that, we see that Men has been
02:22:51
watching them, and she very stealthily follows them.
02:22:56
So yeah, I kind of agree with what you're saying.
02:22:58
I think Men feels like she has a debt to pay to Matt and she's
02:23:03
going to do whatever she can do to try to either prolong or
02:23:08
prevent any harm coming to him. But I I don't know, I'm just
02:23:14
kind of like when men, it seems like when men is trying to help,
02:23:21
it doesn't exactly go that way. So I don't know if her following
02:23:26
them is a good idea or not. We'll.
02:23:31
See. We'll see.
02:23:33
I mean, we, we've got one person who can channel.
02:23:35
We got one person who apparently has a block.
02:23:37
We have one person who can fight only when the older part of him
02:23:41
takes over. And we have a semi consistent
02:23:47
fear. I, I, I don't know.
02:23:49
This is I don't know. This is the fellowship of the,
02:23:54
the Adam. I, I, I don't know what to call
02:23:57
it. They, I, I don't know, I just
02:24:00
see a lot of chaos. In there, it's a it's a Scooby
02:24:03
crew. We'll see what they do.
02:24:04
Right, right. Because I, I just, I don't see
02:24:08
anything organized coming from this.
02:24:10
I don't I, I don't know. I've been, I've been with Elaine
02:24:15
is the brains. They'll figure it out.
02:24:18
Yeah, yeah, as long as they listen to her.
02:24:21
But we have three people who are notorious for not listening to
02:24:26
other. People known for not listening
02:24:29
to anybody but. I don't know how this is going
02:24:32
to work out but. We'll see and and.
02:24:35
They're going to a part of the world they've never been in.
02:24:38
Her political skills are going to have to to come into play.
02:24:42
Yeah, we're going to have. To be able to have all those
02:24:44
personalities. Right in a in a part of the
02:24:48
world that none of them have been to.
02:24:51
Well, I don't know, maybe MEN has, but I mean, because it
02:24:55
seems like MEN is going everywhere.
02:24:57
But Elaine has enough training to to know, you know, she knows
02:25:04
how everything works. She, she knows the world.
02:25:06
She may not have been there, but she's been schooled on
02:25:09
everything. So.
02:25:10
She's going to have to keep an eye need of her attitude in
02:25:12
check though. Yeah, we'll see.
02:25:15
Good luck with that. I think that's, I think that's
02:25:20
everything. Everything, I mean, this was,
02:25:23
this was a fun episode and I do see what you say about the
02:25:25
episodes getting better. Yeah, this was a solid 9.
02:25:30
Yeah, yeah, it was a good episode.
02:25:33
I mean, we got to see all of them.
02:25:35
We got to see some some exposition, some story moving
02:25:38
forward. We got to see some some fun
02:25:41
stuff because Land trying to be Moraine's wing woman.
02:25:45
I mean wing man is that was interesting and also they both
02:25:50
smiled in this episode. That is a rarity.
02:25:54
That is a rarity. So I was like, OK, this is cool,
02:26:00
but so the next episode, episode 4.
02:26:05
It's the one that turned me on the series.
02:26:07
OK, this is the one that turned you on the series because you
02:26:10
said that you don't care how much they stray from the books.
02:26:15
Now they can do whatever they want.
02:26:17
They. Want on what happens in the next
02:26:19
episode? I'm so interested to see what
02:26:23
that episode entails and what made you have that opinion.
02:26:28
That's that should be a fun discussion because I don't know
02:26:32
you're going to be talking so positively about everything.
02:26:35
I don't know how we're going to, how we're going to.
02:26:40
It's going to be fun. Well, you have any final
02:26:43
thoughts on this episode? I don't this was a solid 9 out
02:26:46
of 10. There was a lot of it wasn't any
02:26:49
action. Well, it was some action at the
02:26:53
end, but there was a lot of good.
02:26:56
Well, I guess it was a lot of action.
02:26:57
There was the Red Wedding in the beginning.
02:27:00
That's not action. That was a slaughter, that.
02:27:03
You can't. Call it action if the other side
02:27:05
couldn't defend themselves. Yeah, we, we had a lot of tops
02:27:09
spinning, you know, some stuff being set up, lot of exposition.
02:27:13
We got some history. It's it's going to be this was a
02:27:18
good solid setup, expository episode.
02:27:24
It was pretty good. I agree and I have nothing more
02:27:28
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