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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing season 3, episode 2
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of the Wheel of Time series. This episode has a lot of
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information and I know we've all been messaging each other back
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and forth about this episode. I'm going to try to keep my
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thoughts coherent because I do have a lot of questions about
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all this stuff that went on, but let's start at the beginning
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with the I don't mean Game of Thrones.
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That's basically what it was like.
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She. Was giving off heavy swirtsy
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energy. She was and she wasn't because I
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feel like, I feel like she was a little, I don't know know if I
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want to say nicer than Cersei was, but she definitely had
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that. OK, I'm going to be diplomatic
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until I get ready to cut your throat.
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You know, it was very much like, ha ha, yes, we've had this fight
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for succession for so long and blah, blah, blah.
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But now there's no question because I won.
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And I was like, oh, OK, that speech turn in a way.
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Yeah, she's more like her son. She's more Joffrey ish, kind of.
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At that point she's like, 'cause I won.
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So now bow. Cool, now kill them.
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Yeah, that was kind of, Well, no 'cause Cersei.
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Yeah, Cersei is kind of that bitch too.
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She would have done it. But OK.
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So Anthony, give us a little, give us a little bit of history
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about Andor and about this whole war.
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Because basically, first of all, I noticed there is no king in
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the picture. They they keep, they've talked
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about the queen. So they talked about the queen
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who's who was before her. And then apparently that queen
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died and there was No Fear. So there was a war to see who
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succeed. OK, OK.
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And then she has she has the two sons.
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And then she has She's pregnant with Elaine.
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Elaine. So.
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So at least we know at this point Elaine is 19 years old
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'cause this was a 20 year old flashback.
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Yeah, she's the same age as Ran, Matt Perrin and E Wayne.
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Oh, OK. OK, see how the wheel works set
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out. Yeah, yeah, I do.
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I do. So it's almost like she was
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destined to be part of that group.
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But anyway. Yeah, well, the the the Andor
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succession plotline is one that I'm glad they condensed into
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like 2 1/2 minutes because it drags out in the book.
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Oh, OK. I mean, he takes the, the game
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of houses pretty seriously. And there's a lot of that, for
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example, like the reason why I don't, haven't read Doom is
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because there's a lot of that in Doom, a lot of marrying.
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And there's a lot of that in the Game of Thrones series.
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I, I walked away from that series reading about families
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and who's marrying who and all that.
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This happens in, in the Wheel of time as well.
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But but basically something happened and the there was no
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heir for when the queen died and they kind of left a power
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vacuum. And in the book there, there is
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a way there, there was a battle for the secession, but not quite
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as bloody as they seem to make it out here.
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OK, because there are rules that they have to, because the way
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these things work there, there are rules that in the old state
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people have to follow in order for all this stuff to work,
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right? So nothing was really violated,
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really. But there was a little question
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as to who should be the heir, since there wasn't one.
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OK, so that was a little skirmish.
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Now, is that is that the same air that Elaine mentions later
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on in the episode when she's having a conversation with her
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mother? Her mother mentions a daughter
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Air and Elaine says to her, well it's because this daughter Air
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disappeared that you even were able to.
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OK, OK. I was just wondering, trying to
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put the. Little pieces the the daughter,
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the the actual daughter Air vanished OK, and never returned
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OK, And so the Queen died without an air.
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OK. The the way, the way it were.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The queen, the daughter queen
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died that without an air. Yeah.
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I'm trying not to give away too much.
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Yeah. Now let me ask you a question,
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the question that I asked you off screen a few hours ago
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having to do with one of the sons.
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Does that have anything to do with any of this stuff?
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Yes. OK, Should I go ahead and OK,
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you know what, No, let's go ahead and discuss this because.
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I mean, if you if you really, really think about it, they've
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given you everything you need to know about that missing darker
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air. Really.
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Yeah. OK.
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Even even up until this point, things should start being like,
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wait a second, somebody is sitting in a coincidence.
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OK, I do. There are some things that
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happened in this episode that I was looking like there's some
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weirdness going on. And this is even before we get
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into the meat and potatoes of the episode, like this opening
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scene where we're seeing Queen Morgaze's coronation.
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The first thing we see is, of course, her holding her,
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cradling her pregnant belly, and she has a serpent ring on her
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finger. And I was like, oh, wait, she's
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an eyes to die. So that would explain why Elaine
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is kind of familiar with the Azadi and the tower customs if
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her mom was a azadi and, and she's been, I mean, she's been
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sending her there for summer camp for the last.
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Every every Kingdom send, every noble family, especially royal
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families send their daughters to the tower whether they can turn
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or not to be trained. OK.
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So she spent time at the top. She can't channel, but she did
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spend time at the tower and trained and got the honorary
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serpent ring. OK.
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That was the other question I was going to.
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Ask, remember when she said that they can have a cereal?
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She told Elaine. You can have ceremony and get
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your honorary serpent. You can come back.
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I was going to ask about that because I was like, what the
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hell is the honorary serpent ring?
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So basically what you're telling me right now is Queen more gays
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cannot channel? No.
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So she that, does that mean she's still a true Isodai or is?
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She, as it says she's not OK. OK, I'm, I'm just asking
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because, because my understanding of the series so
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far, because remember, I'm not a book reader, is that the women
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who get the ring are the ones who become Isodai.
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So that's what I'm trying to clear up for the, for the, for
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the other people who who aren't familiar.
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Well, so just like in when we were in Faldara, the king, I
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think that was the King's wife. His sister.
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His sister, she was very weak in the power, but she was given the
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Serpentine because they knew that she was going to be
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advising or be near him. Remember, they were very much
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like they've been the Jesuit in Dune.
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Yeah, but she but she was able to channel that's that's so that
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I guess. That well, well, very little but
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but the and I don't think she ever officially became an
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isodive. OK.
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But she may she may have, but you know, as long as you because
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was she, she didn't wear any color of a particular aja.
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So she may have never been raised.
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I think she if I remember correctly because that was what
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first season if I remember correctly, I think she left
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because her brother needed her to help defend against the
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blight. So she never was laid, she.
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Never finished. Yeah, she was never raised to
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the shawl, as it's as it's called, because in the book they
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walk around wearing shawls of the color along with the
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clothes. But she was never raised to the
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shawl. OK.
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So, yeah, so this episode was kind of explaining one of the
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ways the azadi maintain some control.
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They will have an azadi as an advisor to whoever is in charge
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or ruler, or in this case in Andor, when someone becomes a
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queen, she has been like Elaine, gone to the tower to be trained,
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whether she can be channeled or not.
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But they have to learn the eyes of that are are some of the best
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at knowing how to play the game of houses.
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Moraine being one of the best at playing the game.
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So that is where they go and learn.
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So what they don't learn at home, they learn in the tower.
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Or they learn in the tower, Then they take you back and get
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supplemented by home because the tower, they know what to teach
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them. They know you need to know all
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these things. They have knowledge that not
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everyone has access to. OK.
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Does that make sense? Yes, and actually it helps
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because watching the show is like, we know enough, I will say
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about the Isodi and the machinations, but we really
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haven't learned like what the whole process is for someone to
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become a Isodi. That's something that has not
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been explained fully. We just kind of see it here and
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there and bits and pieces. So that's why her having the
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ring and all of the exchange that came afterwards.
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I was kind of curious about that because I'm like, OK, so she's
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acid I OK. And I guess this is also when
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Elaine is having a conversation with her later on and she said
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something about I will be the first true acid I queen.
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I didn't understand what that meant because I was like, but
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her mom has the ring. Isn't that so that?
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It's an honorary ring to remind her of what she went through and
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how important the acid I are. OK.
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So it's supposed to solidify her connection to the ISO I.
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OK, at which is this this alliance that Suwan keeps
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mentioning? Yes.
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OK, Yeah. Technically, most of the
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kingdoms have an alliance with the ISO I.
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OK, OK. But apparently the one with
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Andor is is really, really important because they've she's
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mentioned that a couple of Times Now.
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If if I remember the map I think Turvlon is an Andor maybe?
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OK. I'm not sure, but it it's a very
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important alliance because I think Andor has probably the
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largest, well, I was about to say the largest and most capable
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army, but the the borderland kingdoms would be very upset
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with me if I said that because they're fighting Trollix all the
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time. OK, so it is a very important
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army. OK.
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So you guys talk about the daughter earlier, the missing
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dot air out? Of air.
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Yeah, is that Ryan's mom again? Yeah, keep watching the show.
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Because you were saying that they've given us all the clues
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to figure these things out, like going along and deciphering and
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figuring out who's who and what's what.
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And I'm like. It sounds like very sound
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reasoning, Sir, I'm. I'm just trying as as the person
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who is the the theory prognosticator, the theory, but
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I am the theory of prognosticator.
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So I will be throwing shit out like this all the time.
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But I was thinking like, OK, she has see, there's red hair there,
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there's red hair there. Rand has red hair.
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His mom had red hair. So I just kind of draw lines
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everywhere. So and they're squiggly, they're
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squiggly and they're red and I can't and they they get erased
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and drawn at the places. So, but since I'm the person
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that probably out of the three of us, I'm probably the least
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familiar with fantasy out of the three of us, I'd probably be the
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least like I'd like, I know certain things, but I don't.
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But I'm also a writer. So I kind of, I kind of try to
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put myself in like, how would I write this?
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Like, how would I connect it without connecting it?
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And like blatantly saying, OK, that's what that is.
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I'm like, yeah, you got to figure out ways to like figuring
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out context clues 'cause I actually ace that part to SAT,
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but that's not what. So it's like, you kind of have
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to draw lines from here to here. So that's why I was like, now
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I'm starting to think more and more about about other things
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too now, like so, OK. I mean, it it, it would make
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sense considering Rand needs to have some level of authority
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with the people in this part of the world.
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You know, I'm just saying like you.
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Was going to leave that hanging right there.
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You thought you'd go keep talking like, yeah, like this
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part of the world like. I know we're sitting here like.
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Now, now, now, think, think about, I mean, this Mike is on
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to something really, really good because writers do things
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intentionally and they don't try to make it difficult for
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readers. But even like you're familiar
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with Lord of the Rings. Right.
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Aragorn is walking around basically right the the heir to
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the High King. Yeah.
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Several kingdoms he's and he's just walking around Willy nilly
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and pretending like he didn't know nothing.
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But he does know who he is, you know?
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Yeah, got you. OK, so I guess I'm going to keep
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with this train of thought real quick because I'm I'm going to
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move ahead into the episode a little bit because Queen Morgaze
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goes to the tower. Because of course, after
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everything that's happened, Elaine got kidnapped, taken to
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farm. She wants some answers about
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what has happened to her child and whether or not her child is
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there, whether she's safe. You know, I guess she had to
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come and see with her own two eyes.
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So when she comes there, she has her two sons with her.
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At least that's what I'm assuming that there are two sons
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because I noticed that when they introduced Gilad, they just
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introduced him Lord Gilad of Andor.
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And then when they introduced Lord Gowen, they called him the
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Prince. They called him like a by a
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specific title. And I was wondering if that was
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because he was the oldest and that's why he has the title.
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But then as I'm watching the episode later on and I'm trying
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to figure out who Gillette is because Anthony and Mike claim
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they don't see it but I was trying to figure out why.
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I never said Jensen. Ackles had a doppelganger in
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this show because he looks very similar to Jensen Ackles.
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He also is very similar to Scott Kahn too.
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Well, yeah, they they kind of are, are similar, but I'm
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talking about Jensen Ackles with the let's let's go with the
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Soulja Boy beard. Not, not Dean Winchester.
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He he looks with the beard. They they kind of look alike.
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So I'm sitting here trying to figure out, OK, who is this
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actor? Let me look him up.
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And so Amazon Prime has this thing that they call X-ray,
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which is where when you hit pause, it comes up with some
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things at the bottom of the screen, including the names of
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the actors that are in the current scene, the, the parts
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that they're playing. And then if it's, you know,
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taking place in, let's say, if they were in a farm, it will say
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farm. And it, you could click on it
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and it'll give you some information.
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So I click on this thing and it has the actor's name Callum
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Kerr, and his name is listed as Galid de Madrid and not Trecon.
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And I was like, why does he have Moraine's last name?
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So Anthony, I'm going to ask you, why does he have Moraine's
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last name and not the name Trecon?
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Like Elaine and her mother and her other brother.
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I'll I'll answer this in a non spoilery way.
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I was just about to say this is going to be spoilery.
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So nobody wants spoilers. Just kind of, you know, yeah.
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Yeah, I want the answer in the show notes she'll put.
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She'll put a time stamp in there.
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I will. But I will answer it for you in
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a non spoilery way. His father and Moraine are
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cousins. OK.
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OK. Father side, obviously.
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And Moraine are cousins. OK, so that means Moraine is
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related to Elaine in in some kind of way, right?
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Because I'm assuming that the Queen is probably his stepmother
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and not his mother. Right.
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OK, OK. So he and see this it gives it
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is we're. Murking up the waters a little.
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Bit so he has OK He his his his mother OK so fuck it.
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OK, am I making this too hard for you to?
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No, no, no, let's say. His his mother.
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His mother, who is no longer in the picture.
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OK. Left him behind and so his
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father ended up remarrying. OK, he married Morgaze.
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OK. And he and Morgaze had Elaine
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and. Gawen.
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Gawen, right? OK, so they are half siblings.
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OK. So that would kind of, I guess
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that would kind of and. His father, I think his name was
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Taran GAIL Taran GAIL Taran. He that is his child by a
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previous marriage. OK.
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And so she Morguez adopted him when she married Taran GAIL.
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OK, so I guess that would kind of also explain the dynamic when
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Elaine reunites with her family because she and Gwen, they seem
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to have a very warm, loving relationship and she and Galid
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are kind of like he seems like he cares about her as his
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sister, but their interaction seemed a little more formal.
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Right, because Gwen's Gwen's tile is first Prince of the
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sword, which I guess he is the first Prince with the sword
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because he is her actual biological child.
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OK, but to. Glad who is not?
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OK, so glad is older because I was wondering about that was
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like, he looks and acts as if he's the oldest son, but then
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when he came in and they just announced him and then the other
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one came in and they announced him with the title, it kind of
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struck me as weird 'cause I'm OK, maybe I'm reading this
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wrong. But And and Taryn, GAIL and
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Morgaze are distant cousins from the house down Madrid.
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You mean you? Mean I'm Marine I.
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Was going to say this is not Game of Thrones.
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Marine well. We haven't even gotten.
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Nothing. You haven't.
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You haven't seen nothing yet. I know it's going to blow your
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head away. I figure, I figure, but OK.
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He made it. He made it complicated for a
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reason. OK, OK, so OK, we'll come back
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to the family dynamics later. Let's go back to the throne room
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because when I tell you, I did not expect Sawan to be to be
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petty Betty with this whole thing.
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But I understand Queen Margaze coming in with all of the
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dramatics and all of the pompous circumstances that's befitting
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her station. And it's so funny because they
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were in the throne room and Leanna is she already looks
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irritated because she always looks irritated.
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And she looks at Sawan and Sawan looks at her and she shakes her
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head like no, we're not letting her in yet.
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In the meanwhile, Queen Morgaze is outside looking irritated
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that she as the queen is being made to stand outside the doors.
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And then someone is like nods yes.
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And when they come in and they do all the pomp and
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circumstance, you have them introducing, like I said, the
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guys they introduced the the Queen Consort, which there was
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something weird about that. I come.
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I thought it was issue. I I can't lie, I thought it was
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Ishmael coming back. I was like what the fuck?
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Because he kind of looked like. Because yeah, he's good looking,
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dude. But it was, it was just so weird
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because Leanna is so formal with everything and the fact that she
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stumbled on his name, it was just very weird to me.
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Oh, before, before you say that, I just want to give props to the
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actress that plays Leanna because she's not one of my
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favorite characters in the book. Like I I really could care less
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because her and Swan are always together.
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She But when she was the keeper, yeah, she was irritated.
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She was. And it's almost like this
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actress read it, read the books. Yeah, you know, about the
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character because their character was always irritated
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for some reason or another. She.
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Plays it well. She does it very well.
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Because she was like, these people.
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And then as they keep announcing people, you start realizing why
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she's irritated. Because in comes Elijah Sedaka,
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played by the glorious Shura Agdashlu.
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Like I can't even just the fact that she is just gracing our
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screen. I'm just in OK.
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Anyway, I I'm a huge fangirl of that one.
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But anyway, so she comes in and it's almost clear that she and
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Suwan also have a history before we find out what it is later on,
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because when she comes in, she just does like a very quick
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courtesy. And she was like mother and
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someone's response to her was welcome back daughter or
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something. And it was just some, there was
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something very snarky about their interactions with each
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other. And I was like, OK, there's
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some, there's some weirdness going on here.
00:24:33
I wonder what that is? They well, first of all, she's
00:24:35
a, she's a red Azure, right? Yes.
00:24:39
Yep. That's one, that's one strike.
00:24:41
Then we find out later what's up.
00:24:43
Then I'm like. Yeah.
00:24:45
Yeah, like, OK, I see what it is.
00:24:47
But yeah, being a red Asha and coming back in is just like,
00:24:50
First off, red Asha are are black sheep anyway, so to speak.
00:24:55
But then like their leader was a black Asha, so it's like, you
00:25:01
don't know who. I mean, they already don't know
00:25:02
who to trust. So here comes a red Asha with
00:25:05
the queen and they have history and she's like really don't want
00:25:10
you here right now. But I can't really tell you to
00:25:13
go away because you're with the queen.
00:25:15
So I kind of have to deal with you.
00:25:17
I kind of have to just swallow my swallow my pride and bite my
00:25:21
tongue and just grip my teeth while you're in my fucking room,
00:25:25
so. Yeah, and then and and and when
00:25:28
Queen Morgaze gets in there and Sawan does the formality, she
00:25:32
was like, so, So what do we owe this honor?
00:25:36
And it's the little pause before honor.
00:25:40
I was like, Swan is shading them so much in this one scene with
00:25:44
the minimal of facial expressions, words, whatever.
00:25:50
She is shading them so hard in the scene.
00:25:52
And I was like, I need to know what this dynamic is.
00:25:56
And the minute Queen Moor gaze opens her mouth and starts going
00:25:59
off, I was like oh wait, who is she talking to?
00:26:03
Like that? Like I was feeling I was feeling
00:26:06
offended for someone like how dare you?
00:26:09
And so I had to tell the daughter, excuse me, while you
00:26:13
are in these halls and while you wear that ring, you will address
00:26:17
me as befitting the ambulance seat there more gays says that
00:26:23
mother, you never had a child so you probably don't know the full
00:26:28
men of the world. I was like, I'm looking at my
00:26:31
screen like who is this chick? And who gave her the audacity
00:26:39
And it it impressed me so one impressed me so much in this
00:26:43
scene because she never lost her temper.
00:26:47
Her facial expressions didn't really change.
00:26:49
Like you could see, especially if you're a black person, you,
00:26:52
you could read everything on her face.
00:26:55
The subtlest of of of movement, eye placement, that little
00:27:02
bitty, almost undetectable smirk on her face, like we could read
00:27:07
what she was thinking. But she kept her cool.
00:27:10
She kept it professional. And she was like, OK, Leanna
00:27:13
show her family to their rooms and I will take her to see
00:27:15
Elaine herself. And I was just like so impressed
00:27:18
with her. But I I guess Anthony, if
00:27:21
you're, I don't know if if the acid falls within this game of
00:27:26
houses or whatever, but whatever it is.
00:27:28
So 1 plays it very well because I was expecting her to go off.
00:27:33
I really was, but. Yeah, the acid are pretty
00:27:38
manipulative, so I'm I'm sure they they may have invented the
00:27:41
game of houses to be honest. With you.
00:27:45
But I I want to just give a shout out to the costuming
00:27:49
because. Fire.
00:27:51
Every episode they just come through with these costumes.
00:27:56
Yes, every episode they they don't shortchange nothing,
00:28:01
nothing. Like the Queen's collar, like
00:28:04
that collar was just like, yeah, but you know what?
00:28:09
She reminded. Me of with that collar she
00:28:11
reminded me of Helena Bonham Carter as the Queen of Hearts
00:28:15
and Alice. I thought you were going to say
00:28:19
Kate Blanchett as Elizabeth. Oh, that's you, Yeah.
00:28:25
But so. So even Gabriel's costumes, Yes.
00:28:29
And Gawan's costume, Mike, yes. Yeah, that's.
00:28:34
Why? They.
00:28:35
Look so good. So why could Leanne not remember
00:28:39
his? Could she not remember his name?
00:28:41
Or was she kind of shook to see him?
00:28:45
So that's the weird thing, because even later on in the
00:28:51
episode, and it might, this is what got me thinking about what
00:28:55
you just said about, oh, is this Ishmael or Ishmael?
00:29:00
Because even when Elaine goes to the room to reunite with her
00:29:06
family, she she reunites with Galwyn first.
00:29:12
And then she looks at Gabriel and she pauses.
00:29:17
And at first I kind of looked at it like, OK, this stepdad,
00:29:21
probably somebody she doesn't really get along with.
00:29:23
But then it's like after she collects herself, the exchange
00:29:26
is normal. And I don't know, I just started
00:29:30
wondering about that. I was like, OK, so we are in a
00:29:33
period where they're talking about black Asha being in the
00:29:38
tower. Possibly.
00:29:40
We do have a red Asha that just showed up and obviously has some
00:29:44
issues with some of the other sisters because when they
00:29:47
announced her name, all of the other sisters again, they start
00:29:50
doing that gossip thing like and looking at her weird.
00:29:54
So I was like, is it something having to do with him?
00:29:58
Like, is this another compulsion thing like they did with Sharon?
00:30:01
So that I was like, OK, because it's weird that it happened not
00:30:04
once but twice. We're just kind of some like, I
00:30:08
don't know, there's something, I thought there was something
00:30:11
really weird about him. But then when you see him later
00:30:14
on in the episode and the way that he interacts with Elaine, I
00:30:19
was just kind of like, oh, OK, maybe I maybe that was kind of
00:30:23
just a weird thing. And maybe, I don't know, maybe I
00:30:27
was reading too much into it because it seems like Kim Andy
00:30:30
Lane were close before she came to the White Tower.
00:30:37
And I'm looking at Anthony. I'm I'm.
00:30:39
Looking at Anthony too because I know he wants to say something.
00:30:43
He's like dying to explain things.
00:30:45
Are are we kind of sort of on the right track, Anthony?
00:30:48
Is there something weird about Gabriel?
00:30:51
Would you like to share with the class the?
00:30:53
The other thing is, look at how quickly they put the the room
00:30:57
back together after all that destruction.
00:31:01
That isn't a preview. Ducking the question.
00:31:03
I would assume that that is because they don't want anybody
00:31:07
else to know what happened. Like Elaine said when her mother
00:31:09
asked her, she was like, oh, my daughter is hiding something
00:31:12
from me too. And she was like, yeah, this is
00:31:14
internal tower business. We've been told not to discuss
00:31:17
it with anyone. So I would assume that all of
00:31:20
the other sisters who were there probably put the room back
00:31:24
together as best they could because they didn't want one.
00:31:28
You don't want people to know that they're black Asha,
00:31:31
especially people outside the tower.
00:31:33
So you don't want anybody who is familiar with tower business to
00:31:37
know. Oh, yeah, you guys had black
00:31:39
Asha, not just one. You had several black Asha in
00:31:42
the tower unbeknownst to you. Like, that would, I think, call
00:31:47
into question not only the security but also someone's
00:31:51
leadership. Like, how are you the ambulance?
00:31:54
And you didn't know you had traders in your midst.
00:31:56
So I just felt like that part was just them trying to cover
00:32:00
their tracks and trying to keep that information from leaking
00:32:04
outside the tower. Yeah, definitely.
00:32:07
But. I, I don't know what he would
00:32:09
have to do with it unless, you know, kind of like Anthony said
00:32:12
when we were talking about that attack.
00:32:16
And I think we also talked about it at towards the end of season
00:32:19
2, because the question I had was how can somebody get into
00:32:24
come, you know, Compulse and I said, I if they have security
00:32:29
measures and Anthony was like, well, it's not like magical
00:32:32
security. They have to, you know, they
00:32:34
have to use the one power to shield themselves.
00:32:37
And that takes up a lot of energy.
00:32:39
It takes more than one to do it. So OK, we already know that.
00:32:42
That and, and a lot of the weeds that were around during the age
00:32:48
of the legends are lost. So they wouldn't even know
00:32:53
anything about compulsion unless the Forsaken told them about it.
00:32:57
They wouldn't even know how to do it unless they're forsaken
00:33:01
show them how to do it because those weaves are lost to time.
00:33:07
That's that's that's what that is what gives the Forsaken such
00:33:11
an advantage over over all these eyes to die.
00:33:20
Right. The only one who comes even
00:33:23
close to them is Naneve, who is the most powerful I.
00:33:27
Swear to God. We've seen.
00:33:29
One bull motherfucking time without reporting.
00:33:31
Shit. Yeah, that's.
00:33:33
Good look, I'm drinking with my water 'cause I'm not drinking
00:33:36
alcohol at the moment. So yes, I told you we're going
00:33:40
to have a we need to have a drinking game every time we
00:33:43
mention that phrase and. And I'm just going to throw this
00:33:46
out there. Men and women who channel cannot
00:33:51
see each other's weeds. Yeah, we, we, yeah, we've said
00:33:55
that before. So if he was a Forsaken and he
00:33:59
walked in there and he has the ability to compose everyone in
00:34:04
the room, they're all women, they wouldn't have seen.
00:34:07
Anything see it? Yeah.
00:34:10
They would. See it if somebody else did it
00:34:12
if if one of them was doing it. And as far as I know, at this
00:34:16
point, there is no one who can defend against compulsion.
00:34:22
OK, there's no Aquamancy classes to be taken for that, OK.
00:34:27
No, he, he. No.
00:34:29
OK. What is the?
00:34:31
What is the Prince Consort's job like?
00:34:33
Is he like a? Is he like?
00:34:37
He's the husband, but he's not the king.
00:34:39
He's not the king. I mean, that's, that's, that's
00:34:42
kind of similar, yeah. Like like.
00:34:44
Like what's the like Camille? Like Camilla?
00:34:48
The Didn't they make her queen? No, they didn't.
00:34:53
They didn't. OK, so yeah, she's a consort.
00:34:55
King Consort. King Consort.
00:34:58
Just he just hitting it I guess, OK.
00:35:00
Yeah, Phillip for years was. They never made him king either.
00:35:06
No. Or she never made him.
00:35:08
And I don't know what the, what the rules are about that because
00:35:11
one, it's it's not my monarchy, so I really don't care.
00:35:15
It's just kind of like, OK, that's her husband and that's
00:35:17
what they call him. He's not.
00:35:18
The I think the House of Lords has to approve it or something,
00:35:22
but I think she has to petition or I think the ruling monarch
00:35:27
has to petition, if I'm not mistaken, the House of Lords and
00:35:31
they have to vote on it. OK, OK.
00:35:34
And she probably never did that because if he was made king,
00:35:38
then he would be the one whose authority like was over hers,
00:35:41
correct? Because we are not.
00:35:44
We are in a patriarchy driven. I I don't know how.
00:35:47
I don't know how the monarchy worked.
00:35:49
OK, OK, but coming back to Wheel of Time.
00:35:53
So is there a reason again why they're only Queens of Andor?
00:36:00
Because again, they meant when they mentioned more gazes
00:36:05
predecessor, they mentioned a queen.
00:36:08
There's never any mention of a king.
00:36:10
They never mentioned anything as far as a king when he ascended
00:36:14
the throne. I mean, she obviously had two,
00:36:17
two kids there. She was pregnant with a third,
00:36:19
but there is no man by her side. There's no king, there's no
00:36:22
queen consort at that time. So I don't know if maybe he had
00:36:27
died in that war or what. Whatever the I.
00:36:29
Don't know where I know where Terran Gill is.
00:36:32
That's a good question. OK.
00:36:36
And then of course, well if he does, but Elaine is the daughter
00:36:40
Aaron, they only ever talk of the daughter Air.
00:36:43
So is this one of those? And I know that Wheel of Time is
00:36:45
a very woman driven name. A lot of his a lot of he Robert
00:36:54
Jordan wrote a lot of yeah, a lot of mid charcoal societies
00:36:58
and. Mid.
00:36:59
Charcoal driven storylines, OK. So is that the same with
00:37:03
androids and and why there's daughter heirs and not?
00:37:07
Yeah, yeah. And if you notice, the sigil is
00:37:10
a lioness, it's not a lion. And if you notice, even in the
00:37:17
safe house that they're in, in Tarvilan, that was the Andorian
00:37:22
safe house. Because if you looked in the
00:37:24
windows, all the windows had lionesses and even the outside,
00:37:29
the sign had a lioness. That's why, that's why Ling was
00:37:34
walking around and they're just taking the alcohol and and all
00:37:37
that kind of stuff because that was the Andorian safe house.
00:37:41
OK. Oh, OK.
00:37:44
But yeah, so if you look at the Andorian flag, it's a lioness.
00:37:48
It's not be, it's not like, it's not like in England, where
00:37:52
depending on if you say king or queen, they change things.
00:37:57
You know, we're here. No, it's always a queen, an
00:38:01
Andor. But as far as I know, I think of
00:38:06
the kingdoms, I think that might be the only one if I'm not
00:38:09
mistaken. Well, they were.
00:38:12
I think tier does it. I think tier has a council.
00:38:15
I don't think they have king or queen.
00:38:18
OK, there was a Queen and Kyrie in too, right?
00:38:21
Or in that area because. Yeah, but they also have.
00:38:24
Yeah, but they also have had kings too.
00:38:26
OK, yeah, because I was going to say barthanis when he said he
00:38:29
was going to marry the Queen, he very specifically said I am
00:38:33
going to become king, not Queen consort.
00:38:37
So OK. But also but also the Yeah, but
00:38:41
that was a story for the for the TV show.
00:38:43
Cause in the book it was a king in carrion.
00:38:48
OK, so it's different for all the different kingdoms.
00:38:52
So some of the kingdoms may have Queens and only Queens, some of
00:38:55
the kingdoms may have kings or both.
00:38:58
And OK. OK, no, don't they just have
00:39:01
council? You know, there's, I think
00:39:04
there's one Kingdom that's based on their merchants and they have
00:39:09
the merchants are the ones that rule that that country.
00:39:13
So you you get all different kinds.
00:39:16
OK. Now do you think we will see all
00:39:18
of those kingdoms in the course of the show?
00:39:21
No, No. OK.
00:39:22
They don't have time. OK, OK, alright, so let's let's
00:39:29
move on a little bit. So Queen Morgaze, when she does
00:39:33
finally see Elaine, her whole purpose is 1.
00:39:37
She's trying to find out what's going on in the tower.
00:39:41
And two, she's told Elaine that she has come to bring her home.
00:39:45
So basically, yeah, you're going to get your honorary ring.
00:39:48
We're going to go home, and you're going to, you know, do
00:39:50
what you need to do for the Lion Throne.
00:39:53
You will not become Isodine. Elaine is very upset about this
00:39:56
because she tells her mother she was like, I want to become a
00:39:58
Isodine. Her mom was like, yeah, I wish I
00:40:01
could give you everything that you want, but no, that's not
00:40:03
about to happen. You're going home, which makes
00:40:09
it a little difficult. Or maybe not so, but later on in
00:40:14
the episode when someone is trying to, she's trying to find
00:40:19
the black Asha and she ends up enlisting Elaine and Naive to
00:40:25
help her because she says that she can't trust anybody else,
00:40:28
even Baron, even Leanna. And I was like, if you can't
00:40:32
trust the people who literally saved you from the black Asha or
00:40:38
who had damage done to them while defending against the
00:40:41
black Asha, you just throw the whole acid.
00:40:45
I away. Just throw them away.
00:40:47
If you can't trust them because what's the point?
00:40:51
What's the point? It's just the the machinations
00:40:55
with the acid. I thinking about what Mike has
00:40:59
said is, is one of those things where you start out watching the
00:41:04
show and you think that there's a good guy and then there's a
00:41:06
bad guy. And then the more we get into
00:41:09
it, we Start learning. It's not only Shades of Grey but
00:41:14
y'all are like even y'all are even diluting the grey at this
00:41:18
point. Radiance everywhere.
00:41:23
Everywhere. 50 Shades of grey. Because even when after they
00:41:29
have the conversation with Swan when I need and Elena coming out
00:41:36
there, like she wasn't telling us the whole truth.
00:41:38
If the ambulance seat ain't telling the truth, who is there
00:41:42
to tell the truth besides Moraine?
00:41:45
Because far as I can tell, Moraine has never lied in the
00:41:48
show. She's kind of started around
00:41:51
some things, but she's never like lied or I, I don't.
00:41:57
Know none of the real eyes that I have lied.
00:42:00
They can't lie. This is.
00:42:02
True, you know, we may think you can lie about omission.
00:42:07
That doesn't apply to the eyes. To that he doesn't say.
00:42:11
You have to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
00:42:14
Yeah, OK. I I.
00:42:18
So Swan can leave stuff out. She didn't have to tell them
00:42:21
everything, but whatever she tells him is the truth.
00:42:25
But she also needs to understand that you're talking to 2 girls
00:42:30
who again now they, they've, they've left the tower before
00:42:35
they've seen the world. And I mean, even before that,
00:42:38
Elaine has seen the world 'cause she's she's part of Andor.
00:42:41
I mean, she's part of the royal family is.
00:42:44
Is there anything that she didn't tell them that they
00:42:48
needed to know? That she didn't want them to
00:42:52
know. Hold on, I'm.
00:42:53
Trying to that she, that she, that she, that they needed to
00:42:56
know. Right.
00:42:57
Yeah, that's what I meant, like. She told them everything they
00:43:00
needed to know to do their task. Yeah, that's true.
00:43:04
She did. But I mean, again, what I was
00:43:08
about to say is you are talking about two of the smartest girls
00:43:11
that are in the tower. They see everything, especially
00:43:16
Elaine. And we learned this in the last
00:43:18
episode. Elaine sees a lot, she pays
00:43:20
attention to a lot, and she very specifically, I feel like Elaine
00:43:25
focuses on the things that are not being said and that are not
00:43:28
being done. She reads the room and she reads
00:43:31
people. Yes, very much so.
00:43:34
So she knows this one is not telling them everything.
00:43:36
So what are they going to end up doing?
00:43:38
They going to end up going to try to figure out what it is
00:43:41
that she's not telling them. Especially after Elaine
00:43:44
overheard the conversation between Leanna and Veron earlier
00:43:48
that day. Because they were talking about
00:43:51
what? We don't know who to trust.
00:43:52
You saw how many there were. They could be talking about the
00:43:55
black Asha, but they could be talking about somebody,
00:44:00
something else too. Yeah, but Elaine ain't stupid.
00:44:02
She know they're talking about. I know.
00:44:06
But it's just like when they were having a conversation about
00:44:08
Elijah Sedai, Leanna Varon and Swan when they were having that
00:44:15
conversation and they were talking about Eliza's going to
00:44:19
cause trouble and someone's like, no, she's only going to be
00:44:21
here for a few days. I don't think that's going to be
00:44:23
the problem. And they were talking about
00:44:26
doing something else and Leanna said, I don't like this.
00:44:30
And Swan was very clearly kind of agitated with her.
00:44:34
She was like, you made your your thoughts well known on this
00:44:37
daughter and just kind of dismissed her.
00:44:39
And Leanna looked irritated. And I was like, what is going on
00:44:43
here? There's some, there's another
00:44:45
piece missing that I'm not getting.
00:44:48
I feel like, because I feel like it's not just about the black
00:44:53
Asha at this point as far as whatever it is Leanna and Vera
00:44:57
were discussing. But I, I don't know, it's like I
00:45:02
want to take it at face value and say, OK, they're talking
00:45:05
about the black Asha, but there's been so much subtext and
00:45:09
this and that and and and the other with this show that is
00:45:13
like, I don't know. I, I want to trust them, but I
00:45:19
just don't know if I do. And I'm so confused.
00:45:26
But one thing that seems to be in agreeance with everyone is
00:45:31
that nobody seems to like Eliza to die.
00:45:36
And then all of this stuff about popularity and about, you know,
00:45:40
support and oh, well, this person has a lot of support.
00:45:44
And we remember what happened last time.
00:45:46
So apparently she was the one that was up against the one for
00:45:50
the ambulance seat and, of course, the 11.
00:45:53
How does the ambulance seat get determined?
00:45:55
Because I don't think we've discussed that in this show as
00:45:59
well. And I know that's a question and
00:46:01
I know that's a question I've always had.
00:46:03
So is this something that it's just like a popularity contest
00:46:08
like they do, you know, with the presidency, they have to go
00:46:11
around stumping and trying to get support from the other
00:46:14
Isodai sisters. Is there a there's not any type
00:46:18
of battle or anything that they have to do that I have there's.
00:46:22
There's no battle for the position.
00:46:24
OK, so it's basically. If anything is read, book
00:46:30
readers gonna kill me for this, but if anything is probably
00:46:33
closer to the Pope, how the Pope is determined.
00:46:37
OK. It's probably close to to that.
00:46:40
OK. So is it was there I wondering,
00:46:46
was there like were there like trust issues or was it just like
00:46:50
a or was it just an election where they're like not fuck her?
00:46:54
Well, I mean one, no. She did that.
00:46:56
She had probably she garnered more support in the background
00:47:00
then and Elijah wasn't very well liked.
00:47:03
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
00:47:05
Mike, you said it yourself. One, she's read Asha and it
00:47:08
seems like nobody really likes them.
00:47:11
And then two, even again, the way that Elijah walked into the
00:47:17
throne room when she first got introduced and the way that
00:47:20
she's been kind of walking around the tower just in this
00:47:24
episode alone. Yeah, I can see how a lot of the
00:47:30
people wouldn't like her because she, I don't want to say she
00:47:34
operates sneaky, but she does seem like she has ulterior
00:47:39
motives. So yeah, I get kind of seeing
00:47:43
where I, I, I don't know where she might not be popular as as
00:47:49
opposed to Swan. Yeah.
00:47:53
But OK, I'm trying to think, I know we have other things to
00:48:00
talk about with this episode. So we gonna leave the tower for
00:48:02
a little bit. Let's go to let's see, what do
00:48:07
we want to do? Do we want to go to Rand in them
00:48:09
or do we want to go to parent in them?
00:48:13
Let's talk about my dog because I'm worried about I'm worried
00:48:15
about boil. Dog.
00:48:20
I told you he's going to say that every chance he gets until.
00:48:26
It doesn't matter but but OK. But but for real, I'm worried
00:48:30
about loyal because he he doesn't look good at all.
00:48:35
So can can you explain the studying and the studying and
00:48:40
longing as far as he goes? Like do you know more much about
00:48:43
that? The studying is a place where
00:48:48
the old gear lives. OK.
00:48:52
Oh, it's a place. It's not.
00:48:53
It's not like the act of doing something is the.
00:48:55
Next. Yeah, No, I think they mentioned
00:48:57
it in the first season when they first went through the ways.
00:49:00
They're they're these locations and the old gear are I'm not
00:49:08
going to give this is not giving anything away, but the standings
00:49:12
because they talked about this, I think in those shorts that
00:49:15
were before the first season they came out.
00:49:19
So the settings are think of them as like orchards in
00:49:23
different areas where the Ogili, the one power does not work
00:49:28
there doesn't exist there. So when men started going crazy,
00:49:33
one of the places they they found sawdust was in the
00:49:36
settings and they'll let them stay there.
00:49:40
And one of the things that the men did was help them build the
00:49:45
waves to move from 1 standing to another and to also move around.
00:49:53
But the breaking of the world broke up continents and
00:49:57
locations. So the standings moved and their
00:50:01
gear got lost. And because they are physically
00:50:07
and spiritually tied to the settings, those who could not
00:50:11
find the standings, they started getting sick.
00:50:15
Is it was it's like an extreme version of homesickness is what
00:50:18
the longing is. And if you stay away too long,
00:50:21
you, the OG will die. So yeah, you are right to be
00:50:26
concerned about him. If he's starting to feel
00:50:28
homesick first, it's going to be he's going to start feeling
00:50:32
physically sick. He's going to deteriorate.
00:50:34
Eventually he's going to die because he has to go back to a
00:50:37
stay in the kind of touch base. OK, cool, that's what I was
00:50:42
thinking. But I'm like, you can't kill my
00:50:45
kill my dude, man. That's the I mean.
00:50:47
They're not. They're not going to kill
00:50:48
Loyale. We need Loyale.
00:50:50
I'm saying we do like that's my, that's my dude, man.
00:50:53
I'm sure my dog needs some too. And.
00:50:59
You talk about your dog, he came out.
00:51:01
Oh, finally they show, 'cause I don't think we've seen Loyale
00:51:05
use the 3-4, the the trifle leaf to open and close the way gate,
00:51:10
have we? Right.
00:51:12
Yeah, yeah, like a key, right. Yeah, it's like a key that they
00:51:16
used to. And The thing is, in the book,
00:51:19
that's the only way to do it. You can't use the one power to
00:51:22
open and close them. OK.
00:51:24
OK. Yeah, because I was going to
00:51:25
say, I think every time that we've seen the ways opened so
00:51:31
far up to this point, it's always been someone else opening
00:51:35
it, whether it's a Moraine or Landfair.
00:51:38
Yeah, and he even says the proper way to use the way he
00:51:42
came. Yeah, what?
00:51:45
Because what did he say? He said only dark friends would
00:51:50
try to navigate through the waves without a no gear.
00:51:53
Yeah. And I was like, but Moraine
00:51:55
didn't do that. But I forgot they they had a no,
00:51:58
they didn't have a dark friend with them the first time.
00:52:00
Oh no, they had Loyale with them.
00:52:01
The. 1st. Time and then the second time
00:52:04
that they went through, they had landfill.
00:52:05
They had landfill. Yeah.
00:52:07
So, OK, that makes sense. But yeah, I was, I was looking
00:52:12
at L'Oreal and I was just like, dude, do not do this.
00:52:17
We have, we have met our death quota for the season.
00:52:20
I mean, no, that's probably not true.
00:52:22
But for me, we've met our death quota for the season.
00:52:26
Ivan was it. Y'all can't kill anybody else.
00:52:29
So whatever y'all have to do for L'Oreal, find a setting when you
00:52:32
go back through, whenever you go back through.
00:52:34
I do it because we are not losing him in this season or any
00:52:40
season. I I refuse.
00:52:42
We're not, we're not doing that. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to say the
00:52:45
Augeer. Have they know enough about it
00:52:48
to be able to avoid? They know which I think they
00:52:51
know which ones, which paths are overrun by the black mist, I'll
00:52:57
call it. Matching chin.
00:52:59
Matching chin, yeah. So they know which, where, where
00:53:03
to avoid so he can navigate through there.
00:53:05
OK. But there are places where they
00:53:08
won't go because it's just too much.
00:53:10
OK, yeah, but he was saying that it would have taken them too
00:53:13
long because I guess, I guess just like you're saying is where
00:53:17
they go to recharge. It's not just the are we
00:53:20
stepping into home? Oh, OK, I got a power boost.
00:53:22
Let me go. He probably actually has to be
00:53:26
there for a while. And I think they were trying to
00:53:28
get to the Two Rivers. For what reason they were
00:53:31
rushing, I don't know. But now we know the reason why,
00:53:35
because I think, did you mention this in the last episode?
00:53:39
OK, so here they didn't give a reason why parent just wanted to
00:53:45
go back home. Right.
00:53:47
Which the problem with that is even with loyal, it's still a
00:53:53
dangerous way to go. So if you're not in the rush to
00:53:57
get back, you can take the long way without putting yourselves
00:54:02
at risk. So I think this was just one of
00:54:04
those scenes where the writers was like, fake it.
00:54:06
We'll just we'll just make it work.
00:54:09
Because if they had have given us the reason from the book,
00:54:14
then it would make sense as to why he was away.
00:54:16
Because in the book he had heard that the White Cloaks were
00:54:21
looking for a man with yellow eyes in the Two Rivers, and he
00:54:26
knew that was him. So he wanted to rush back.
00:54:30
And also, well, actually, what they heard first, what they
00:54:33
heard was Two Rivers was in trouble.
00:54:36
The White Cloaks were there. Matt was busy.
00:54:39
Rand was busy. He was the only one who wasn't.
00:54:42
So he was the one who had to go back.
00:54:45
And then he started hearing they were looking.
00:54:47
The White Cloaks were looking for a man with gold eyes.
00:54:52
And you know, when he got there, this is probably why we left
00:54:56
out. When he got there, his family
00:54:58
was dead. Oh, OK.
00:55:00
And they kicked off a whole series of events.
00:55:03
OK, but I I noticed that they're changing the dynamic.
00:55:08
Well, I mean, we mentioned this in the first season too, because
00:55:11
you said in the books he didn't have a wife.
00:55:13
And so in this episode, you know, when when he does get make
00:55:19
it to the Two Rivers and a Gwen's mom is telling him about
00:55:23
what's going on. And she was like, yeah, they're
00:55:25
looking for you and they're paying people to, you know, to
00:55:29
give up anybody who you know, that any of your family and
00:55:33
friends. And he asked what about my
00:55:35
family? And then she says that who was I
00:55:38
think Matt's dad, Rand's dad and somebody else got his family
00:55:43
safety. Yeah.
00:55:45
So I, I've noticed that they are changing the dynamic as far as
00:55:48
parents, family goes. So, you know, he comes back to
00:55:53
the Two Rivers and there's literally nobody there for him
00:55:57
except for a Gwen's mom. And, you know, before he even
00:56:02
sees a Gwen's mom, they see the white cloaks come through and
00:56:07
they're like, what is going on? And then that's what she's like.
00:56:11
Yeah. This is not safe for you here.
00:56:14
We're going to hide you in the attic over here in this building
00:56:17
with the others until tomorrow morning.
00:56:19
Then we're going to send you all on your way.
00:56:21
And parents like what others. And he goes into the attic and
00:56:26
there's Alana and Maxim Now when you.
00:56:30
Say when they first came out of the waves, he's like, it's two
00:56:33
sets of footprints, a man and a woman.
00:56:36
I'm like, first of all, dude, when did you become Gus from CSI
00:56:40
Las Vegas? He's a wolf brother.
00:56:42
He's, he's picking this stuff up.
00:56:45
That's why his eyes are permanently gold.
00:56:47
Now he's he's, he's morphing into whatever this is, whatever
00:56:52
a wolf brother is, which is not a werewolf might, but he's
00:56:55
morphing into whatever this is. I'm, I'm guessing that as a wolf
00:56:59
brother, as what was the guy's name?
00:57:02
Elias, as he kind of mentioned, you will take on their traits.
00:57:07
You will be able to do certain things.
00:57:08
So I mean, it's been on. My, it's been you're giving them
00:57:13
a little bit more credit than they deserve, but I'll let I'll
00:57:16
let them have it. I'm just have it.
00:57:20
I mean, it's like, I mean, we don't have to worry until until
00:57:24
parent has like a like a raw steak hanging out of his mouth.
00:57:27
Then at that point we got to be like, OK, we got for you.
00:57:32
I. Yeah, yeah, OK.
00:57:37
But it's great to see Alana and Maxim back so.
00:57:41
Yeah, because parent parent. Is like though.
00:57:45
What? What?
00:57:47
Alana looks rough though and but she's been through a lot.
00:57:50
But I'm like, oh baby, baby. Yeah.
00:57:54
I wonder, is that like the paint that she has on her face?
00:57:57
Is that like morning paint like? Probably.
00:58:01
OK, because I've never seen her with.
00:58:04
I've never seen her with her face painted before, except for
00:58:07
I think maybe during battle. But I.
00:58:11
Don't think she's, I don't think we've seen her with anything.
00:58:15
No, there might have been Carini that I saw.
00:58:17
I saw somebody with some some kind of paint on their face.
00:58:20
But yeah, so it's interesting. Or she did it during Carini's
00:58:26
funeral. Oh, OK.
00:58:29
Maybe she did. I'm not going back 'cause I'm
00:58:31
not freeze framing, so I'm just going to guess.
00:58:34
Whatever, I'll go back and look. It's the first, first season
00:58:37
episode. But yeah, Perrin kind of, you
00:58:41
know, mentions he was like, you know, it's good to see you guys
00:58:44
here. Like we heard that you were
00:58:46
involved in the battle with the black eyes.
00:58:48
Like Nanny told us this, but nobody saw you guys 'cause you
00:58:51
disappeared after and we were all worried about you because
00:58:55
of, you know, what happened to your, your other warder.
00:58:58
And I was like, how and why would Alana go to the Two
00:59:05
Rivers? I don't understand that because
00:59:09
as far as I know, she's never been there, even though we don't
00:59:13
know that much about Alana. But I just, I don't know, was it
00:59:16
that she was trying to go somewhere that nobody would
00:59:19
think to look for her? Or maybe she was following a
00:59:24
leave for something. Maybe she was looking for
00:59:26
parent. I don't know.
00:59:27
But it's like, why would she be in the Two Rivers?
00:59:30
I don't know. It could be related to Loyale
00:59:33
when he said, ah, this is the location of Mennethrin, you
00:59:38
know, the great city of Mennethrin.
00:59:41
And then parents like, yeah, that was a long time ago.
00:59:46
Yeah, like, like we're farmers and shepherds now.
00:59:49
And I like it. I like that she had looked at
00:59:52
him and said she said if you say so.
00:59:54
I mean, I've seen you dance the spirit with the Spears, but OK,
00:59:57
if you say you're a farmer, 'cause she was basically saying,
01:00:00
no, you're a warrior. You are, you know, you, you fit
01:00:05
the bill. But yeah, but yeah, that was
01:00:08
just kind of weird 'cause I was like, why would she end up
01:00:10
there? Because Two Rivers is kind of.
01:00:14
About as half a world away from Tarva Lawn as farm is right it.
01:00:20
Is. So and, and, and the fact that
01:00:25
they came through the waves, that's, that's weird to me, I
01:00:29
will say. Should you want to get there
01:00:31
fast. But thinking about what Loyal
01:00:36
said as far as traveling through the waves without an ocean here?
01:00:40
I mean, this not spoiled, but we've seen, we've seen the
01:00:44
trailer, there's going to be a battle there and there's going
01:00:47
to be a Trollix. So maybe she knows Trollix will
01:00:49
come in. Yeah, but it still doesn't.
01:00:52
I I guess for me the the confusion is taking what Loyal
01:00:58
said in this episode about traveling through the waves.
01:01:02
He said only a dark friend would travel through the waves without
01:01:07
a no gear. So did Alana and Maxim come
01:01:13
through the ways without a no gear?
01:01:15
And if they did, does that mean that one of them is a dark
01:01:19
friend or I'm? I think that's where my
01:01:23
confusion is. I think your confusion is Rudy
01:01:29
and the ineptitude of some writers on this show.
01:01:35
OK, I'll take that. And we'll just leave it at that.
01:01:39
OK, because again. I'm because one, they didn't
01:01:42
they, they didn't give a reason for parent to go and they didn't
01:01:46
give a reason for a parent to go and use the waves of all, all
01:01:49
things. And Alana took the waves, which
01:01:54
she probably shouldn't have. No, we know about it.
01:01:57
Those are all things that a writer who's is looking for
01:02:01
shortcuts would do, and without explanation.
01:02:06
OK. When a previous writer already
01:02:08
established rules, another writer has now ignored those
01:02:12
rules for the sake of their story.
01:02:14
OK. And that that's going to happen
01:02:16
a lot during the show. It happened during the second
01:02:19
season, it happened during the first season, OK, It is what it
01:02:22
is, OK? Some things, if you think too
01:02:24
hard about it, it's just going to make your head.
01:02:26
Break my brain. Yeah.
01:02:28
Because the only other thing I can think of is that maybe,
01:02:32
maybe they took a chance and go that way because they figured
01:02:34
maybe none of the black Asha would follow them.
01:02:38
Like nobody would think that they would come through that
01:02:41
way. Or no, the black eyes would have
01:02:42
followed them again. If they if they were really
01:02:48
looking for them, I don't think the black Asha was looking for
01:02:51
them so but OK. But there there isn't any other
01:02:56
reason why she would go in the waves.
01:02:59
She could have gone a long way, too.
01:03:02
OK, yeah, but yeah, it was just, it was good to see her, but also
01:03:09
very weird to see her in the Two Rivers.
01:03:13
That was just strange. And the way everybody was
01:03:15
looking at paring, it's almost like I was like, why do y'all
01:03:18
act like y'all don't know who he is?
01:03:20
But then when a Gwen's mom said I almost didn't recognize you
01:03:24
with that beard, I was like, oh wait, he didn't really have a
01:03:28
beard when we first met, no. He was.
01:03:30
He was thinner too and had shorter hair.
01:03:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't have the glorious
01:03:38
Afro. OK, alright, that makes sense.
01:03:45
But yeah. So Parent is back in the Two
01:03:46
Rivers. So is Alana and Maxim, and so
01:03:51
are the white coats. I don't think this is going to
01:03:54
be a very peaceful visit home for Parent.
01:04:00
I just. Yeah, I think.
01:04:01
I think Two Rivers gets two rivers Gary get fucked up again.
01:04:05
This is the the two rivers is like the Statue of Liberty and
01:04:08
disaster movies. That shit always gets like,
01:04:10
always gets like run through and run down and fucked up like.
01:04:15
Yeah, I was wondering, 'cause I was like, why does it look like
01:04:18
nothing happened here? They should be rebuilding stuff.
01:04:21
And I forgot that Moraine fixed up everything before that.
01:04:24
Before she left, she put, I think she put together
01:04:28
something. She put back together some of
01:04:30
the buildings, didn't she, with the one Power?
01:04:34
I don't like she did that much with the with the forge with
01:04:37
parents forge though. But I mean the forge was was
01:04:42
open anyway I I don't remember it really having the.
01:04:46
Walls. Yeah, because because of fire.
01:04:49
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:04:51
Last thing you want is carbon monoxide poisoning in the place
01:04:54
where you sleep. Well no, I mean no.
01:04:56
What I'm saying is it still looked like ashen and burnt and
01:04:59
like not like it looked. It looked like it was in
01:05:04
disrepair. It didn't look like anyone else
01:05:05
had taken up, had taken up taken up blacksmithing since he left.
01:05:11
Could be or it could have just been maybe abandoned 'cause I
01:05:16
mean we don't really know what parents family does as far as
01:05:20
trade because the only family we really met of his was Layla.
01:05:25
So you know, whoever his family is, I don't know if it's mother,
01:05:29
father, whatever. I know in the books there he has
01:05:33
both parents and he has some sisters because I did read the
01:05:37
first few chapters of the first book.
01:05:38
So I do know that much. But I mean, they could also be
01:05:43
blacksmiths as well. But we don't know how long it
01:05:47
was from the time that they've left because they were fleeing
01:05:51
from the white cloak. So it could have been could have
01:05:53
been days, it could have been weeks, you know, parents been
01:05:58
what bomb happened about a month ago.
01:06:00
It's been over a year, right? That.
01:06:03
Because there there was build time when they left and then
01:06:07
they celebrated another build time.
01:06:11
Yeah. So it's, it's been over.
01:06:13
It's been has to be almost two years.
01:06:18
Because if you think about it, from the end of the first season
01:06:22
to where we pick up in the second season, well, from the
01:06:26
eye of the world to where we pick up.
01:06:28
That would. Another six months and they
01:06:32
celebrated Belle Tie during that particular time, and then
01:06:36
they've traveled to Pham and all of that stuff.
01:06:39
And I know from the time they left Pham to come back to Tarva
01:06:42
Line, that was another month, yeah.
01:06:46
So yes, it's probably been it's. Been over 2 years.
01:06:49
Yeah, or, or about two years. About two years.
01:06:52
Yeah. So there's no telling how long
01:06:55
that's been abandoned. But I mean, it can't have been
01:06:58
too long because if the white clothes are looking for parent,
01:07:02
they're looking for him specifically because he killed
01:07:08
what's his name that that was only a month, month and a half
01:07:12
ago. So.
01:07:15
It's interesting that they would think he would go back to the
01:07:17
Two Rivers. So.
01:07:20
Yeah, maybe, but maybe they also think if you stir up enough
01:07:25
stuff and miss with enough people where we get back to him,
01:07:27
he would come back. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
01:07:29
Because common sense would say home is the last place where
01:07:35
parents should go. Which is again another reason
01:07:39
why what you're saying as far as them leaving out the reason he
01:07:43
went to the Two Rivers, that it doesn't make sense Because why
01:07:47
would you go back to the Two Rivers?
01:07:49
That's where all the trouble started in the 1st place because
01:07:51
they sent the trolleys there to look for you.
01:07:55
So if you've been involved with all this stuff in farm, you were
01:07:58
literally on top of the tower with the Dragon Reborn.
01:08:04
You basically have made yourself an ally of the Dragon Reborn and
01:08:08
an enemy of anybody who is against him, probably including
01:08:12
the White Cloaks. And then on top of that, you
01:08:16
killed the leader of the White Cloaks, so you killed the
01:08:18
general of the White Cloaks. So it wouldn't make sense for
01:08:21
him to go back home unless like you said, they went to to the
01:08:27
Two Rivers. They started messing with his
01:08:29
family hoping to lure him home. That would have made sense if
01:08:34
they did that. But him showing up and then all
01:08:37
of a sudden finding out that he's a wanted man and that his
01:08:40
family have been moved to safety, that that really doesn't
01:08:44
make a lot of sense. But I mean, I like it that he
01:08:51
does still have a friend there. You know, if Wayne's mom is
01:08:54
trying to help them out and she's like, yeah, you, you guys
01:08:58
got to go. And parents like, I'm not going
01:09:00
anywhere if they're doing all of this because of me.
01:09:03
I'm just going to turn myself in.
01:09:05
I'm looking at a parent like, you really think anybody
01:09:08
standing in that room right now is going to let you turn
01:09:10
yourself in, no matter how noble the reason?
01:09:13
You really think Anne and Chiat and Loyal and Alana and Maxima
01:09:19
gonna be like, oh, yeah, just walk.
01:09:21
Just walk down there and go to the white clothes.
01:09:22
Just turn yourself in. No, that's not how this works.
01:09:29
But like you said in the trailer, we do see that there is
01:09:32
some kind of battle against the Trollix.
01:09:34
So we already know, like I said, this is not going to be a
01:09:38
peaceful homecoming for parent. We already see that.
01:09:42
I mean literally from jump. What I like, what I like about
01:09:46
it, about that meeting in the room being is like, why don't
01:09:52
y'all just fight him off? And Aquinas mom is is like with
01:09:57
what pitchforks like literally the whole stereotype that we see
01:10:02
with these types of shows. When you get the townspeople to
01:10:06
fight, they have pitchfalls. So it's like.
01:10:12
Basically, yeah, but they're not want maidens of the spear.
01:10:16
They will find any excuse to. Fight.
01:10:20
To fight, they're supposed to be, you know, ideal and, you
01:10:25
know, nonviolent or whatever. I don't know who said that
01:10:33
because I haven't seen a non violent bone in any IL that
01:10:38
we've met so far. All I've seen, all we always
01:10:42
seen is violence and. Well no, because even that
01:10:45
Vienna when LAN and and and Ran were were practicing and she's
01:10:51
like why would he even want to use a sword?
01:10:53
Why you can't hunt and catch food with a sword?
01:10:58
Yeah, and I mean, but, but I think that whole thing just ties
01:11:03
in with the fact that she's like, he's supposed to be ideal.
01:11:07
He needs to think more like us. Oh, and and they don't fight,
01:11:10
they dance. So it is nonviolent.
01:11:14
It's a dance off straight out of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:11:18
The only, only time I've seen her nonviolent is when she, when
01:11:20
she was with, I was about to call her Evelyn again.
01:11:24
Son of a That's the drinking game we need to do.
01:11:27
We need to do a drinking game every time.
01:11:28
Every time. I call Elaine Evelyn this, but
01:11:32
none of us. But we wouldn't get through
01:11:34
because we all be sloshed. No, we would.
01:11:37
But that's the only time I've ever seen seen her reasonably
01:11:40
tender is with Elaine and. You're.
01:11:44
Reasonably tender. You're assuming that we didn't
01:11:46
see what? Yeah, yeah.
01:11:47
We didn't see what really happened, so.
01:11:51
Yeah, that's true. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't
01:11:52
see the but yeah. But Elaine has surprised me
01:11:56
before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's like, you
01:11:59
know. Yeah, I know.
01:12:03
But since you mentioned Ivy under, let's go to that part of
01:12:06
the world because Mike sent a message and he was like, oh, I'm
01:12:10
sure Anthony is loving this part of the episode because we're
01:12:14
walking and we're. Walking and.
01:12:17
We're walking. Well, it it isn't.
01:12:20
Yes, I, I have issues with walking in the wilderness and
01:12:25
time travel, but here it was it was very little and they were
01:12:32
kind of in and out You know, we in got some big position and
01:12:35
then we were out. So I'm cool with that and we
01:12:38
finally. Had some gorgeous landscaping
01:12:40
too, so right. And we finally, finally get land
01:12:45
teaching Ran how to use a sword. Finally.
01:12:52
Finally. Yeah.
01:12:54
Finally. Yeah, 'cause I know you've been
01:12:56
kind of waiting on that. I, I, I I was just so happy.
01:13:01
Yeah. So yeah, they can do all The
01:13:04
Walking they want as long as they stop and train and show me.
01:13:10
Like a mountainous version of Doom.
01:13:11
For a second when they were walking to I walk into IE, I was
01:13:15
like, OK, I see desert, that's the mountains.
01:13:19
See desert, that's the bushes, that's the mountains.
01:13:23
I'm like, this is Doom again, like.
01:13:26
Yeah, the locations for The Walking, because even with
01:13:29
Perrin and the maidens and Loyale, they showed them walking
01:13:33
towards the two rivers and you see the mountains and all the
01:13:37
trees. And of course she had complaints
01:13:41
about the tree. She was like, yeah, it's clean
01:13:43
up here, smells good, but there's still too much water,
01:13:46
there's still too many trees, but I'd like it.
01:13:49
And then? You see, that was like Lord the
01:13:50
Rings though. That was.
01:13:52
Like, that was like a Lord of the Rings walk.
01:13:54
It's like a Lord of the Rings walk and a Dune walk in one
01:13:56
episode. Yeah, but yeah, I I did enjoy
01:14:03
seeing Land and Rand, you know? The important thing about this
01:14:09
is land pretty much becomes sort of a father figure to Rand, and
01:14:18
even when Moraine asked him why are you training with him, is
01:14:21
because LAN listens. The thing I haven't talked about
01:14:25
is in the book LAN shows no emotion.
01:14:29
He's very stoic. He's very poker face, blank
01:14:33
face. As opposed to the way he is on
01:14:36
the show. No no no no no.
01:14:40
On the show you get tender moments with him, especially him
01:14:44
and naive. No, in the book he's always
01:14:48
described as stone faced stoic land.
01:14:54
If if people want to go and listen to a really good panel,
01:14:59
we did on the IEO at at Dragon Con, it's on our page.
01:15:05
It's it's a really good panel about the IEO.
01:15:08
And I talk about Land being, you know, being a father figure
01:15:13
Duran, but not being the very good one because he he lacks the
01:15:18
emotional depth that that Rand needs at at this time in Rand's
01:15:26
life. He needs someone to kind of help
01:15:27
guide him. So they've kind of given land
01:15:30
and I can see they've written him in a way where he could be
01:15:33
that for Rand right now. But the land in the book was not
01:15:37
that. He had too much trauma that he
01:15:39
hasn't dealt with himself. And he wasn't emotionally
01:15:43
available for Rand, even though Rand tried.
01:15:46
He tried to teach Rand, but he didn't have the capacity to to
01:15:50
do that for rent. We're going to give the
01:15:53
character later. That is going to be that for
01:15:55
him. Hopefully he will be that for
01:15:57
him. Land is just not the person.
01:16:01
But I do like this version of Land because again, they're
01:16:05
trying to give these characters who in the book are OneNote.
01:16:12
They're trying to give them some depth and they've given Land a
01:16:15
little bit of depth. They've given him enough to be
01:16:18
able to talk to and and help Rand out.
01:16:21
And he's like, yeah, he listens to me.
01:16:25
You know, I can talk to him, and he needs that.
01:16:28
Yeah. But on the flip side of all of
01:16:32
that, you have the women, Moraine, Iguayne and Avienda,
01:16:38
who are, I don't want to necessarily say they're at odds,
01:16:42
but like you said, Avienda is already, she's already just
01:16:45
irritated with the whole thing. And, you know, she has a
01:16:49
conversation with Moraine, Annie, Gwen, when she talks
01:16:52
about their prophecy. And she was like, look, I have
01:16:56
to do this because this is what my mission is.
01:16:58
And nobody said I had to like it, which, OK, Yeah, that that
01:17:04
kind of makes sense, especially if you listen to what she says
01:17:08
about the prophecies. Because Moraine and Egwane are
01:17:11
having the conversation. They're actually having a
01:17:14
separate conversation because Moraine notices the bruises on
01:17:18
Egwane's neck, and she's thinking that these are bruises.
01:17:22
You know, she was like, you know, the bruises from this
01:17:25
forsaken attack, I've already healed them.
01:17:28
But here they are again, fresh. And she asked Wayne if Rand is
01:17:32
doing it. I was like, hold up.
01:17:36
I understand Moraine thinking that, OK, if Rand is channeling,
01:17:42
he's becoming more dangerous and, you know, he could possibly
01:17:46
be losing control and that's why that was there.
01:17:50
But on the other hand, for her to think that a Dwayne who just
01:17:56
got out of a very abusive quote, UN quote relationship, for lack
01:18:01
of better words, with what she went through with the Sean Chan
01:18:05
to think that it Gwen would just sit there and let Rand of all
01:18:08
people hurt her and bruise her and and just be quiet about I I
01:18:14
don't see that happening at all. But yeah.
01:18:18
But she's not going to tell Maureen that if he was doing it
01:18:21
because she knows how Maureen will react.
01:18:24
Yeah, I get that. But, you know, I think if that
01:18:29
was the case, that she would do a better job of trying to hide
01:18:32
whatever, you know, bruises she has.
01:18:35
But anyway, so while they're having that conversation,
01:18:38
Abienda comes over with their dinner and that's when she makes
01:18:42
the comment, Why are they training with swords?
01:18:44
Why is he using the sword? You know, he needs to be using
01:18:47
the spear, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:18:49
And she starts talking about the prophecy because E Gwen is just
01:18:57
kind of telling her look kind of layoff him.
01:19:00
He's trying and IBM says to her, you, you wouldn't understand,
01:19:04
you wetlanders, your prophecies are so clean.
01:19:07
You know the dragon will either fix the world, fix the wheel or
01:19:12
break it. And Moraine is like IEO,
01:19:15
prophecies aren't the same. And so she tells them what the
01:19:19
prophecy is. It says the car conscious spill
01:19:21
out the blood of those who call themselves IEO as water on sand
01:19:27
and break them as dry twigs. Yet the remnant of a remnant,
01:19:31
the Karakan shall save and they shall live.
01:19:34
And she said the Karakan is creation and destruction wrapped
01:19:39
in one is balanced. And I was sitting there
01:19:42
listening and I was like, that is so much more not only poetic,
01:19:47
but that is so much more detailed than the dragon show.
01:19:50
Fix the wheel or break the wheel.
01:19:52
Like she's literally telling them that the prophecy that we
01:19:56
have about the Karakan, he is basically going to go to his
01:20:00
people, he's going to hurt those people and then at the same time
01:20:06
save those people. It's like a double edged sword.
01:20:09
Well, hurt. Hurt is a very strong word.
01:20:16
Break them as dried twigs. Yes, and it doesn't say hurt.
01:20:23
Break. There's there's gonna be pain
01:20:26
involved, but not the kind of pain you're thinking.
01:20:29
OK. This just sounds like a bad R&B
01:20:34
song. It's like, I hate you but I love
01:20:36
you gonna break me down but build me up 'cause I was
01:20:39
listening to that and I was just like, here we go.
01:20:43
Enigmas wrapped in mystery topped with centrifuge.
01:20:48
Subterfuge. Did you say?
01:20:52
I said I did. God damn it, I said it.
01:20:55
I knew it's a man. I knew it's a man.
01:20:57
I'm just like, OK, see, this is one things, one things in
01:21:01
fantasy that that gets me. It doesn't irritate me.
01:21:05
It just makes me laugh. It's like when they give
01:21:07
prophecies and they try to be all mysterious and like and and
01:21:12
like this is this is what it is. And they try, they try to be
01:21:15
poetic about it. Just they're just saying what's
01:21:17
going to happen? You're going to die.
01:21:19
OK, cool. It's like you, you will soon be
01:21:21
reunited with your ancestors. Like God damn.
01:21:24
What? You know prophecies are never in
01:21:28
fantasy. You guys know this.
01:21:30
They never actually mean what they say.
01:21:34
Yeah. And they can be interpreted all
01:21:36
kinds of ways. Yeah.
01:21:41
Lord of Mercy, what is this is the King James.
01:21:44
They are. They are the King James Version
01:21:45
of of prophecies and stuff. And the new international
01:21:49
version. The new the new new
01:21:51
international kids version. The, the, the cool thing that
01:21:55
that Jordan, that Robert Jordan did was he never wrote out the
01:22:00
whole prophecies in the books anywhere.
01:22:02
He gave you bits and pieces, which kind of helped drive the
01:22:06
narrative. Because you don't, you don't get
01:22:08
the whole thing. And everybody has a different
01:22:12
prophecy about the dragon. You'll have a car Khan, and also
01:22:18
he who comes with the dawn. Then you have some other ones we
01:22:23
haven't met yet, but Sean Chan have one where it's called the
01:22:29
Cynic Cycle I think it's called where he's basically he has to
01:22:35
bend the knee to the crystal throne.
01:22:39
Which is is a weird thing because their proxy basically
01:22:43
says they they want to do what the isodide want to do.
01:22:46
They want to bind him and make him be a weapon or.
01:22:49
Well, they're all dead now, so it doesn't really matter.
01:22:52
Right. What makes you think that Sean
01:22:54
Chan are all dead? Well, I.
01:22:56
Mean. Remember, they were just that
01:22:57
was. Remember, they were just
01:22:59
supposed to come and prepare for the return.
01:23:02
I like to think that they're all dead.
01:23:05
No, they specifically said we're here to prepare the West for the
01:23:10
return. They were to.
01:23:12
Say advanced force. OK.
01:23:14
But well, I OK, because I was going to say, weren't they all
01:23:19
in fall? What do you mean?
01:23:22
The advanced force was. But remember, they were supposed
01:23:27
to be preparing the West for the return.
01:23:30
The return of who? The rest of the Sean Chan.
01:23:34
Oh, I was thinking, oh, OK, I guess I need to go back and look
01:23:38
at that. I, I, I'm sorry, dude.
01:23:40
I thought maybe, yeah, maybe they didn't make it clear.
01:23:44
Yeah, 'cause they talk. About the Empress had to, you
01:23:48
know, they talked about all that stuff.
01:23:49
So there's the entire. Sean Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
01:23:52
you're right. They there's.
01:23:54
The entire Sean Chan empire. So, OK, that's that's a question
01:24:00
for another day because as of right now we are done with the
01:24:03
Sean Chan. I don't want to go back.
01:24:05
So they, in other words, they have their own prophecy too.
01:24:08
Everybody has a prophecy back here.
01:24:09
It was all over the place. OK, OK, but OK so continuing on
01:24:15
this, this conversation and this beat with Brandon Gwain, we got
01:24:19
to talk about these dreams because I know that Gwain was
01:24:27
terrorized by Rena and all of that.
01:24:30
Y'all did not have to show her spitting blood and it Wayne's
01:24:35
mouth. I did not need to see that ever
01:24:38
on screen ever. That was just gross.
01:24:45
But that whole. Thing, that whole thing for me,
01:24:48
it's like I'm about, I'm about sick of of what's her name?
01:24:52
Yeah. I'm about sick of her.
01:24:55
Like, I mean, she, she's over here flirting with like, oh your
01:24:58
cow. I'm like bitch.
01:25:02
Listen. Hold the fuck up when?
01:25:05
She said that I was like, Rand, if you don't leave just.
01:25:11
If you don't, wake your ass up right the fuck now.
01:25:13
How you going to call her a cow? She ain't even there's nothing
01:25:18
cow like about her. Like not a damn thing is the cow
01:25:22
like about her And then. She's just mad because Rand
01:25:26
loves E Wayne. That's that's all it is.
01:25:29
And then at the same time you're over there torturing the poor
01:25:32
girl, like taking her through trauma again.
01:25:35
Wait, was that I'm 'cause I had to been her right?
01:25:38
Yeah, they they showed her towards the end, but I kind of
01:25:43
wondered that even with the last episode when we were seeing
01:25:47
Dwayne's dreams and she was talking about Rena torturing her
01:25:51
and her dream, she was like every night I dream about her.
01:25:54
I was wondering if that was maybe Lanthier doing that
01:25:58
because of the fact that Ram was with her and you know, like I
01:26:02
said, landfill is jealous and I I just always felt I was like,
01:26:08
that's yeah, because it's like there's the trauma there, but
01:26:15
also the fact that E Gwen was able to escape from what Randall
01:26:20
was doing to her and kill her. You would think that something
01:26:24
in that kind of, I don't want to say calms her fears, but you
01:26:30
would think that she would be able to remember that maybe in
01:26:33
her dreams be like, OK, I'm not going to let you ruin my dreams,
01:26:35
which is kind of what we, you know, at least me.
01:26:40
I would think that's what Dwayne would do, you know, because you.
01:26:44
Would think but you also got land fear who's forsaken and
01:26:47
they've made them OP in the dream world.
01:26:50
Yeah, and that's the yeah, that's what I'm saying.
01:26:52
Because before we knew in this episode that land fear was the
01:26:56
one driving those dreams. You know, we're just thinking,
01:26:59
OK, it Wayne's just not letting go of the trauma.
01:27:02
But yeah, land fear in this dream and the fact that she's
01:27:05
doing this simultaneously while Rand and a Gwen are sleeping
01:27:09
right next to each other. You're seducing one in one dream
01:27:12
and you're terrorizing the other in the other dream.
01:27:15
It's like, I just want this bitch.
01:27:17
OK, so this is going to be a problem.
01:27:20
It's going to be a problem because it's power creep.
01:27:23
And if I think I've talked about power creep on another show that
01:27:27
we talked about where when you establish something at a certain
01:27:31
level, that means for anyone to defeat someone at that level,
01:27:36
they're going to have to be up here.
01:27:38
They're going to be have to be higher.
01:27:40
So you've established that the Forsaken are very powerful in
01:27:43
the dream world. So in order for Rand and his
01:27:47
team to have anything, any way to beat them, they're going to
01:27:51
have to be even more powerful. Yeah, than them.
01:27:54
And yeah, no, you talked about it with this one because you
01:27:56
were talking about naive Annie Gwaine and that eventually they
01:28:00
become powerful enough to fight the Forsaken, at least in the
01:28:04
books, So. Yeah, well, they, they currently
01:28:07
the three of them are powerful enough, they're just not trained
01:28:10
yet. But specifically the dream
01:28:14
world. Though in the books, the
01:28:16
Forsaken were not this powerful in the dream world.
01:28:18
They cannot do all this drink in the dream world.
01:28:21
They were just like anyone else in the dream world.
01:28:23
But isn't that kind of lamphere specialty as the dream world?
01:28:27
It is, but I'm I'm trying not to give too much away.
01:28:33
OK, there. There's some that are a little
01:28:36
bit more adept, but what she's doing here in two different
01:28:41
dreams, doing two different things at the.
01:28:44
Same. Oh, OK.
01:28:44
I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
01:28:47
OK, that is a no. OK, because that does take a lot
01:28:50
of concentration and it takes a lot of power.
01:28:53
Right. And also what she did with the
01:28:56
bubble of evil when she in the last episode, the first episode,
01:29:00
that too was also not something that they should be able to do
01:29:05
at that level. Yeah, of course, one-on-one and
01:29:08
telling around Riyadh, yes, she probably has a slight advantage
01:29:12
over someone who's not experienced, but the way she's
01:29:17
doing it here, Nah. OK.
01:29:19
So, so in order for our friends to be able to fight her at the
01:29:25
level that they're demonstrating how strong she is, they're going
01:29:28
to have to be even stronger in the dream world.
01:29:32
OK, OK, so that leads to my question.
01:29:35
Because once we realize that it is Landfair in the dream
01:29:39
torturing Eguane and, and you know, the, the, the screen goes
01:29:45
kind of back and forth between Eguane and Rand and what
01:29:48
Landfair is doing to both of them as Rena when she gets on
01:29:52
top of E Gwen that last time and she tries to choke her out,
01:29:55
she's literally trying to kill her.
01:29:57
And then E Gwen kind of disappears and she ends up in
01:30:03
I'm guessing that's the I ill waste because she says it's an I
01:30:06
ill woman that comes to her and that I I'll woman looks at her
01:30:10
and says you shouldn't be here. And then she wakes up.
01:30:16
So are there different levels to tell around Riyadh or is it just
01:30:22
that she maybe got herself out of that situation that she was
01:30:27
dreaming of and put herself into another part?
01:30:30
I mean, I don't, I don't know if I'm explaining my question.
01:30:33
I I think I understand what you're asking there.
01:30:37
Technically, there are no levels to tell around Riyadh.
01:30:40
OK, Telling around Riyadh is a. Dreamscape.
01:30:44
It's a dream world, OK, but that's separate from your own
01:30:48
dreams. Oh, OK.
01:30:52
OK, think of Total around Riyadh as as the mall and then your
01:30:57
dream as your house. OK, everybody can go to the mall
01:31:01
if they have the ability to, but not everybody can come to your
01:31:04
house. OK.
01:31:07
Yes. So she's homework.
01:31:09
Exactly. In more ways than one, yes.
01:31:16
Gotcha. Did you just call her a home
01:31:19
wrecker? I did, yes.
01:31:20
He did. He is not wrong.
01:31:24
No, he, he definitely isn't 'cause I, I, I can see this is
01:31:28
going to be a problem because one, it's obvious Rand is not
01:31:34
sharing this part of the dream with Iguane because I don't even
01:31:38
think he's told Iguane that there was somebody else while he
01:31:41
was gone. Of.
01:31:43
Course not, no. No, this reminds me of this
01:31:47
reminds me of X-Men 97 wins. Yes it does.
01:31:51
And then Pryor and I was like this motherfucker, he almost, he
01:31:56
almost kissed her. Like when she was like all his
01:31:58
neck, he almost leaned in to kiss her.
01:32:00
And I was like, motherfucker, no, no.
01:32:03
First of all, we we don't know what Cyclops is doing with her
01:32:06
before that point. True.
01:32:09
True. They they need to get Ransom
01:32:11
coffee so we can stay awake. So he ain't, he can't go over
01:32:14
there and be tempted and shit. Yeah, he got Freddy Krueger off
01:32:17
his dreams. Yeah, she.
01:32:21
Yeah, but she's not being Freddy Krueger in his dream.
01:32:24
She's being Freddy Krueger in his girlfriend's dreams, which
01:32:27
is even worse. Like, talk about your stalkerish
01:32:31
ex not being able to let go. That is the worst of the worst.
01:32:36
And you know, this isn't the first time that she's that.
01:32:38
She's been doing this over and over and over again.
01:32:41
So if she's visiting Egg Wayne that many times, you know she's
01:32:46
visiting Rand that many times too.
01:32:47
And I guess at some point Rand can only hold her off for so
01:32:51
long because he did love her before he found out what she
01:32:57
was. And so it's kind of like his
01:33:01
mind can be thinking one thing. Oh, this is land fear.
01:33:04
She's a forsaken. Because notice she kind of, you
01:33:08
know, she was doing the whole little seduction thing up until
01:33:12
he called her by her name. When he said land fear, she kind
01:33:15
of stopped because she doesn't like it when he calls her land
01:33:18
fear. She wants, she wants him to look
01:33:20
at her as Celine, you know, like, oh.
01:33:23
Yeah, no, she she really wants him to look at her as Mirren.
01:33:28
As who? Her because she had a
01:33:31
relationship the problem with Rand is he is Lou Theron reborn
01:33:38
and they had a relationship yeah I.
01:33:40
I and I get that I. Think part of him, part of him
01:33:45
does love her and that that's and he since he isn't, since he
01:33:52
doesn't really have the information that he needs to
01:33:55
have, he may not understand what those feelings really are.
01:34:01
Does that make sense? Yeah, it does, but.
01:34:03
That that they were in love in the previous life and had a
01:34:07
relationship in the previous life.
01:34:08
But he doesn't quite understand how that works.
01:34:11
But I don't think that's the feelings he.
01:34:12
Felt for her. I don't think that's what this
01:34:15
is because he, he built up a relationship with Celine as Rand
01:34:20
for two months. So I don't I don't think that
01:34:23
that crosses or that plays into a fact.
01:34:25
I think that individually Rand has feelings for Celine and
01:34:31
Lanfair has feelings for him as Rand and not just Lou's Theron.
01:34:36
Yes, I think for her there was a part of her that still sees
01:34:39
Lou's Theron, but I think also she has genuine feelings for
01:34:43
Rand as Rand. I'm going to.
01:34:47
I'm going to disagree with you because she she doesn't make a
01:34:55
distinction between him as Rand and him as loose Taran.
01:35:00
To her he is loose Taran. So she whether she is Celine,
01:35:06
Lanfir and Marin, when she looks at him, she sees loose Taran.
01:35:11
And that's who we're going to have.
01:35:13
To and that's who she that's who she loves you about 3000 years
01:35:18
of waiting for him to come back. And and I get that, but again, I
01:35:23
don't think that's what this is. That that is what that is.
01:35:25
She, she could care. That's why she how's it going in
01:35:28
the couch? She could care less about Rand
01:35:32
is loose Theron that she's in love with.
01:35:34
And that's who he is as far as she's concerned right here.
01:35:37
She's she's called him loose Theron.
01:35:41
She's she's called him loose, Theron.
01:35:43
She has called him that before, yes, but she has not since even
01:35:48
before fall she is. She is only referred to him as
01:35:53
Rand and also I, I let her. Mind that is lose.
01:35:57
Theron No, because here's the thing, if she's looking at him
01:36:00
as only lose Theron, it Gwen would not be a threat to her
01:36:05
because Lose doesn't care about it.
01:36:06
Gwen, she is looking at Rand as Rand.
01:36:14
It's it's. I want the listener.
01:36:16
I want the listener to time in. Tell us what you think.
01:36:20
It's complicated because she, Wayne, is a stand in for the
01:36:25
person that lose there and lift her for in the first place.
01:36:30
But see, here's the thing. So she's taking out all of that,
01:36:34
all of that anger she has against Elena, she's taking it
01:36:38
out on Gwen. But here's the thing.
01:36:41
Because Gwen represents the same thing that Elena Elena Elena
01:36:47
represented for Lou Theron. But here's the thing.
01:36:50
That's a book thing. We have not even heard about Lou
01:36:54
Theron's wife in this show that hasn't been mentioned, so it
01:36:58
won't It wouldn't factor into the feelings and the the
01:37:03
emotions having to do with the show character because as far as
01:37:07
we know, Louis Theron was never married.
01:37:09
We've never heard any mention about his wife.
01:37:11
We're. We're all, we're all getting set
01:37:13
up for all of this. They they're setting y'all up
01:37:17
for all of this. Yeah, but but but that doesn't
01:37:20
mean that that's what it is now as of right now.
01:37:24
As of right now, we can only go by as far as the show viewers
01:37:29
go. We can only go by what we have
01:37:32
seen on the screen and I'm. As of right now, Gwain is
01:37:35
standing between her and Lou's Theron.
01:37:38
That's why Gwain is a target. So you are right about between.
01:37:41
Her and Rand al. About Rand al Thor, the
01:37:45
Shepherd. She only cares about the Dragon
01:37:47
Reborn Lou's. Like stop fighting, stop
01:37:51
fighting you guys like. This is going to be a because we
01:37:55
there's stuff we still haven't gotten to yet.
01:37:57
Yeah. We'll, we'll look, we'll step
01:37:59
away from from that part. Of the we'll put a pin in it.
01:38:02
We'll put a pin in it for for later episodes, but I do want
01:38:06
the listeners to chime in, like, what do you think?
01:38:09
Do you think that this is just a loose fearing thing?
01:38:13
Or do you think that Landfair genuinely has feelings for
01:38:16
Randall Thor as Randall Thor and not as the Dragon Reborn?
01:38:21
Not as a reincarnation of. Even some of you was like lose
01:38:28
their he's didn't care. Rand means nothing to him.
01:38:32
He. He's yes, but that's different.
01:38:35
He was not romantically involved with Rand.
01:38:38
He hadn't spent too. Much that was his best friend,
01:38:42
that and he laid in bed with him, stroking his face.
01:38:45
So yes, I mean. He didn't.
01:38:49
Spend 2. He didn't spend two months
01:38:51
cozying up to him, sleeping with him, having rough sex with him.
01:38:55
He that that it just. I'm just saying.
01:38:58
As far as you as far as we know. I mean.
01:39:06
Mike is like we're both right, let's move on.
01:39:08
So. No, I'm, no, I'm, I'm just
01:39:10
saying like that dream, that dream thing is where he was in
01:39:14
bed with Rand and stroke in his face.
01:39:15
I'm like, I mean, I don't know. I'm not.
01:39:22
I'm not saying he he wanted to, but I'm not saying he didn't
01:39:25
either. OK, but moving, moving forward,
01:39:31
moving forward. They finally do make it to the
01:39:35
IEO waste and they have a hostile welcome party from some
01:39:41
of the IEO. And the woman who shows up in
01:39:45
East Wayne's dream is one of the ones that comes up.
01:39:51
And there's a guy, I'm sure he's probably some kind of leader
01:39:55
because just the way he even came on screen, the way he
01:39:58
carries himself, he seems like a leader.
01:40:00
And he asked the woman he was like, is this him?
01:40:04
And then she gives what I am assuming is another part of the
01:40:08
prophecy. And Anthony, do you still have
01:40:10
that up on your computer? What she?
01:40:12
Said she said he will come from the West, beyond the spine of
01:40:18
the world of the blood, but not raised by the blood.
01:40:23
He will tie us together with bonds we cannot break.
01:40:26
He will take us back home and He will destroy us.
01:40:31
Yeah, that's not worrisome at all.
01:40:36
Like there's some of that that I can I can understand based on
01:40:40
what we've already seen. Like obviously he is of the
01:40:43
blood, but not raised by the blood.
01:40:45
He was born to an I I'll woman, but he wasn't raised as an I
01:40:49
I'll. That part is very clear as day.
01:40:54
The part about he, what did you say?
01:40:56
He would take us home. He will tie us together with
01:40:59
bonds we cannot break. Remember they are very oath
01:41:04
driven people. Yes, He will take us back home
01:41:08
and He will destroy us. So I guess the part of the
01:41:14
question I have is if, if the IO waste is not home for them,
01:41:18
where is home? Because that seems very, it
01:41:23
seems very specific. You know, like you said, the the
01:41:27
whole thing about the bonds. Yes, I can understand that
01:41:30
because I think that ties into what Elaine said to him as far
01:41:34
as like, if you prove yourself to the IO, they will follow you
01:41:38
to the ends of the earth. That sounds like an unbreakable
01:41:41
bond to me. It sounds like a stalker, but
01:41:44
OK, go. Ahead.
01:41:45
No, that's land fear, but but yeah, so it's kind.
01:41:52
Of that sounds like a good time. You going to tie us together
01:41:54
with bombs we cannot breaking or take us back home and destroy
01:41:57
us? Here we go.
01:42:00
Some people, that's a good time. Well, that goes back to kind of
01:42:05
ties in to what Ivienda said as far as you know, he would break
01:42:09
us like twigs and then he will. What did she say?
01:42:13
He he is creation and destruction like oh, OK, so So
01:42:18
what does that mean? Does that mean that I don't
01:42:22
know? If if we if we assume that value
01:42:27
waste is not their home, he takes them back home, then
01:42:31
that's going to destroy them because their whole culture and
01:42:35
way of life is built on being in the waste.
01:42:40
So they. May not be able to adapt.
01:42:43
The And that means he'll be able to save a remnant of a remnant,
01:42:49
because whatever is left will be the ones that can survive,
01:42:55
right? Because didn't I be in to say
01:42:57
that too? Yes, she did.
01:42:59
Yeah, yeah. The remnant of a remnant.
01:43:03
The car Khan shall save, and they shall live.
01:43:06
They shall live. Yep, she did.
01:43:10
So those who can take the change will be able to survive.
01:43:16
Yeah, it's because what she said the car Khan shall spill out the
01:43:20
blood of those who call themselves I ill as water on
01:43:25
sand. And it's like, yeah, OK.
01:43:30
Because that, to me, kind of sounds like those who can adapt.
01:43:36
And break them as dry twigs break their break their way of
01:43:41
thinking. OK, that's a lot to put on a
01:43:49
teenager. Well, that's a lot to put on the
01:43:54
entire culture that you're tell your bit.
01:43:58
Your culture has a prophecy that says their culture is going to
01:44:02
be destroyed. Yeah.
01:44:06
If they follow him, if they follow him, the culture will be
01:44:10
destroyed. Right.
01:44:12
And I think that that very much kind of explains Abianda's
01:44:19
attitude because in her mind she knows that this means the
01:44:25
destruction of her people maybe or of their way of life.
01:44:29
But at the same time is going to lead to something better.
01:44:32
It's kind of like, you know, you can't make an omelette without
01:44:35
breaking a few eggs. You have to break something in
01:44:37
order to to make it better. And even though that kind of
01:44:42
seems harsh sometimes, it might be necessary.
01:44:47
Especially if let's say he goes to the IEO waste and the
01:44:51
majority of them decide to follow him.
01:44:55
There may be a few dissenters who were like, I don't give a
01:44:57
fuck what the prophecy says, that's not my car, car.
01:45:01
I'm not following him. He's not.
01:45:03
You know, because you always have, you always have that few.
01:45:08
So I don't know. But like I said that that's a
01:45:12
lot to put on someone. And then it's just kind of
01:45:15
interesting to see how Iguain is going to tie into this because
01:45:19
why would she be dreaming of an I Ill woman?
01:45:22
And then this woman just appears in front of her like, oh, you
01:45:25
are flesh and blood. You are for real.
01:45:28
So now I have to work wonder about that.
01:45:30
Like is there, I know that I said I have lots of different
01:45:36
abilities that they can do in addition to the channeling is
01:45:40
something like I I guess for lack of a better word, because I
01:45:43
don't know what the term is. It's something like dream
01:45:45
walking, something that is that I said I people are able to do.
01:45:54
Oh. OK, spoilers anyone now?
01:45:57
OK, so that that lets me know I might be on the right track.
01:46:02
Maybe, maybe not. OK.
01:46:04
Possibly, possibly not. So if that's the case.
01:46:07
Probably, probably not. If that's the case, then could
01:46:16
well be a confrontation between her and Landfair in the future.
01:46:20
Can't, can't. I'll say this.
01:46:25
Remember, Perrin is not a Chandler, but he has clearly
01:46:36
inherited an ability. Yeah.
01:46:40
So maybe not all abilities are related.
01:46:44
To related to being OK, related to being azadi OK.
01:46:49
Related to channeling, yeah, remember the Azadi don't have a,
01:46:56
they don't have a monopoly on the One Power.
01:46:59
Yeah, and then I just thought about it again.
01:47:03
Where are a Gwaine and Perrin, both from the Two Rivers?
01:47:07
The two rivers. Where what used to be where the
01:47:11
two rivers are? Monatherine.
01:47:13
OK. Probably 1 of the greatest
01:47:16
kingdoms in history. Yeah.
01:47:21
OK. So now that's got me thinking
01:47:25
about things in a whole different way, because if you
01:47:30
really think about it, all of the Two Rivers people have shown
01:47:34
some type of exceptional ability, you know?
01:47:39
And being a Tavarian is not related to channelling either.
01:47:46
OK. Because you can be.
01:47:48
Arthur Harquin was a Tavarian, a powerful Tavarian, and he was a
01:47:52
channeler. OK so the other stuff could have
01:47:57
could have more to do with their minathrin blood then it being a
01:48:01
isodized. So that could be something that
01:48:04
a Gwaine has because of where she's from and not because she
01:48:08
can channel. Yeah, Yeah.
01:48:11
There are some abilities that are not related to channeling.
01:48:14
OK, OK. And I guess that's, I guess
01:48:17
that's just the thing that I need to train my brain on
01:48:20
because I think at this point I'm looking at it like
01:48:23
everything special has to do with Isodi.
01:48:26
And I have to remember that Isodi, even though that's what
01:48:29
we were introduced to as like the main group of people,
01:48:34
they're not the dominant group of people at this point.
01:48:39
I think I. Don't know if they're fairly
01:48:40
dominant. Yeah, but I mean, as far as as
01:48:43
far as our people go, our people.
01:48:45
Just remember, they don't have exclusive rights to channeling.
01:48:49
OK, OK, They they, they're other channelers and and also their
01:48:57
other abilities out there. OK, The ability to foretell is
01:49:01
not necessarily a channeling ability.
01:49:05
Yes. OK, Men is not a channeler.
01:49:09
Let's talk about men. Let's talk about men, because
01:49:14
she shows up in Tarvalan. Not only in Tarvalan, but she is
01:49:20
working undercover in the tower for Varen to try to find out who
01:49:26
and what that Black Asha are and what it's like in the Fuck This
01:49:32
Men find herself wherever Matt is like.
01:49:37
Are they just inexplicably tied to each other?
01:49:41
Matt Mike is sitting there shaking his head like.
01:49:45
Here she is getting getting tied up with another acid I and try
01:49:49
and someone trying to make a deal with her.
01:49:51
I'm like ma'am. Look, the last time you you
01:49:55
teamed up with the acid dye, that didn't work out so well for
01:49:58
you. In the in the services of a dark
01:50:01
friend, I'm like. Right.
01:50:03
But I mean, like I said, I don't think Baron is a dark friend.
01:50:07
I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to that thought.
01:50:12
So she's working with Baron and then also kind of sort of force
01:50:16
the one. And let me tell you, this shit
01:50:18
was so funny when she went to Matt's room to call him for
01:50:22
Swan. And so 1 is so as mad in the
01:50:27
room and she's asking him about the horn.
01:50:29
And she was like, yeah, so so you blew the horn, huh?
01:50:34
Oh, that's that's good. So for you, it would have showed
01:50:37
the, you know, the ghost of the dead, dead warriors.
01:50:40
Yeah, up until you die. And he was like what?
01:50:43
She said yeah, she said, you know, it'll do that up until you
01:50:48
die and then the the abilities will go to the next person who
01:50:52
blows the horn. So, you know, you don't want to
01:50:54
kind of go all out and just kind of proclaim to everyone that you
01:50:58
were the horn blower and that you were this.
01:51:00
And you know, you wouldn't want to take any portraits showing
01:51:04
you blowing the horn. And I'm, I know Matt was
01:51:10
something like, yeah, no, I, I, no.
01:51:18
I think, I think in the book like, yeah, yeah.
01:51:21
Yeah, I think in the book he actually hired someone to gleam
01:51:24
in to sing a song about him pulling the horn.
01:51:28
So yeah. No, yeah.
01:51:31
He he, yeah, he was insufferable.
01:51:35
Yeah, I, I kind of figured that from the last episode because
01:51:37
like I said, Matt was starting to lose my respect because I was
01:51:42
like, Matt, this is not something you need to be going
01:51:44
around bragging about and just kind of being an idiot about
01:51:49
because that's what he was doing.
01:51:51
Like why would you want to tell people that this is this was
01:51:55
you, this is what you did? Especially knowing that, oh,
01:51:59
there are people out here looking for us that are trying
01:52:01
to kill us because we can't say for certain that that's not how
01:52:05
the Forsaken found them. Right.
01:52:07
So, you know, I, I thought it was interesting that so one kind
01:52:12
of called him out on that. And then she was like, you want
01:52:15
me to hold that for safekeeping? He was like, yes, yes.
01:52:18
And then she turns around. She said he reminded her of her
01:52:22
uncle and her uncle was a gambler.
01:52:26
And you know, he was he was kind of lose this then other blah,
01:52:30
blah, blah. But he died a hero saving some
01:52:33
children from a fire. And then she said, will you be a
01:52:35
hit? Will you step up when the flames
01:52:37
come? And I thought at first that she
01:52:41
was kind of, I thought she was about to be degrading to him,
01:52:45
just kind of be like, OK, so are you really going to be a hero,
01:52:48
You know, that sort of thing? Because that's kind of the
01:52:50
interaction that we've seen people have with Matt, kind of
01:52:54
not taking him seriously, kind of, you know, making it seem
01:52:58
like he's the loser of the group.
01:53:00
And then when he says to her, he was like, I'm no hero.
01:53:03
I just do what needs to be done. And then she looks at him and
01:53:05
she said, all heroes only do what needs to be done.
01:53:11
And then she says, you may go. And I, I like that she did that
01:53:15
because it's kind of like, even with all of this stuff, even
01:53:18
with him being the horn blower, him knowing that he was one of
01:53:24
the, you know, heroes of the horn, you still kind of see in
01:53:28
that moment that Matt still has a little bit of self doubt about
01:53:31
who he is and, and what he does. He's like, I'm no hero.
01:53:35
And she's basically telling him, in a way, yeah, you are a hero
01:53:39
because that's all heroes do. Like the heroes who go around
01:53:42
proclaiming they are heroes, nobody cares about them, is the
01:53:46
ones who step up when nobody else is stepping up or the ones
01:53:49
who step up when they don't have to.
01:53:52
Those are the heroes. And I think that's what she was
01:53:54
trying to tell him. Like, look, you don't have to do
01:53:56
all of this boasting and, you know, all of this stuff trying
01:53:59
to be this person because that person is who you are at your
01:54:04
core. And I really appreciated that
01:54:06
about her because again, Matt is one of the people who I think
01:54:09
people look down on so much in this show.
01:54:13
And it's nice to see someone looking kind of through that
01:54:16
facade of his tell him, hey, you're important.
01:54:21
She just had a funny way of doing it.
01:54:25
And then that's what he does in the book.
01:54:26
He he spends the entire book walking around.
01:54:29
I'm no hero. I'm no hero.
01:54:31
And he keeps doing these heroic things.
01:54:33
I'm no hero. I'm no hero.
01:54:35
Why are y'all following me? I'm no hero.
01:54:38
OK, OK. That that's his thing, and he's
01:54:43
the most minetran. I told you this before.
01:54:46
He's probably the one with the most minetran in him.
01:54:48
His blood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:54:52
OK, since we're back in the tower, I got.
01:54:56
To talk about his name. Brothers.
01:54:58
This the sweaty fight I got to. Talk about.
01:55:02
Two things the the sweaty fight and Matt not been able to get
01:55:06
any sleep. And all for the same reason.
01:55:11
I think, OK, let's get that one out of the way really quickly.
01:55:16
I think Michelle and I like almost killed over in laughter
01:55:22
when he goes that is Gladden, that is Gwen.
01:55:29
I was like wow. Yeah, because poor Matt Mike.
01:55:34
First of all, who put him in rooms between those brothers?
01:55:38
And why would they do that? You would think that all of the
01:55:41
brothers would be with the rest of the family, but I guess maybe
01:55:46
they were in some of the novices rooms.
01:55:49
But I was like, oh, they get down like that in the tower.
01:55:52
All I know is Matt was probably doing pretty good for himself
01:55:56
until they got there. The way that they came in with
01:55:59
that scene with Matt, because Matt is sitting in the chair,
01:56:02
he's got on the robe and it's it's kind of open and, and the
01:56:08
dialogue and she's like, like this.
01:56:11
And he was like, yeah, with both hands.
01:56:13
I was like. Whoa, hey, yo.
01:56:17
Like what are y'all? I was like are we getting
01:56:23
X-rated on the Amazon prime show?
01:56:25
But it was just one of the girls trying to.
01:56:30
I guess she was trying to blow the horn boy something.
01:56:34
No, she, I think he was he sketching her?
01:56:37
No. It's not Jack and Rose.
01:56:41
No, no, Mike, no. You have reached 1/4 of
01:56:47
references for tonight. Hey so look, y'all can do it,
01:56:52
y'all can make those kind of references in the show, but when
01:56:55
I do it I got to get a, a, a. Oh no, I told Mike.
01:56:58
Mike. About her.
01:57:00
Him. Sketching.
01:57:01
Oh, OK, OK, I was about to say I'm.
01:57:05
Gonna not be like when I used to die.
01:57:07
This was, yeah, this is one of the things that Sawan was
01:57:11
messing with him about. She was like, yeah, you wouldn't
01:57:13
want to be using that as social as as social capital with the
01:57:17
novices, right? That you were the horn blower
01:57:19
and my, I was like, no, but that's exactly what he was
01:57:23
doing. When we see him in this scene,
01:57:25
one of the novices, she's there and she's getting ready to blow
01:57:28
the horn and somebody knocks on the door and it's one of her
01:57:30
friends. And Matt is like, did you invite
01:57:32
a friend, Mike? Matt's thinking that he wants to
01:57:36
get lucky. And when she comes in and she's
01:57:38
like the Andorian Princess are fighting in the in the wherever.
01:57:44
Yeah, in the courtyard. So they run out.
01:57:47
Matt runs out too, and he sees everybody watching these two
01:57:50
shirtless brothers of Elaine's sword fighting in the courtyard.
01:57:55
And then he sees Elaine and Naive, and he walks over to them
01:57:59
and they're looking. He was like Naive.
01:58:01
I thought you would have been. I thought you would have been
01:58:04
above this. And she said, I don't think
01:58:06
anybody. He's like, who are these tosses?
01:58:14
And Elaine is like my brothers and and I need makes the comment
01:58:21
Yeah, entitled little bastards. No offense, Elaine, she said.
01:58:26
No offense taken, especially coming from someone who's.
01:58:29
Thinking and I. But I'm sorry, the lad looks
01:58:38
like Jensen Ackles. I'm I'm going to keep saying it
01:58:42
until y'all see it. He looks like Jensen Ackles with
01:58:45
an accent especially there was 1 stance that he was doing.
01:58:49
Now I would admit these brothers have some skills and I feel like
01:58:56
I almost feel like this was a tryout for them because they
01:58:59
mentioned earlier in the episode that Elaine would have been safe
01:59:03
if they had been there starting their water training like they
01:59:07
have wanted to when she came to be a novice.
01:59:10
And so I was like, oh, OK, so. And that's the thing.
01:59:15
So again, this is another one of those things that they don't
01:59:18
really explain to us in the show.
01:59:20
So Anthony, how do people become warders or how did they get
01:59:24
selected? Because I think the only one
01:59:27
we've heard about is Moraine when she said she met Land and I
01:59:31
think it was a Tavern or something and she knew he would
01:59:35
be her warder. How does that process start?
01:59:39
Like is there the school that they go to where?
01:59:42
They, so there's, there's an application process and of
01:59:46
course you have to submit headshots full, you know, torso
01:59:50
headshots, yeah. Mm hmm, short list shirt.
01:59:53
List a short list, shirt list worth the headshots and there's
01:59:56
a test, but the test has not been important as long as it
02:00:00
look good. Yeah, no, seriously, How?
02:00:03
How? I mean, you can, so you can do
02:00:06
what Moraine did and spontaneously you find a warrior
02:00:10
who's like, Oh my God, they're really good.
02:00:12
You want to be my warder? Sometimes they say, oh, sure,
02:00:15
I'll try it out. But they also have a school,
02:00:20
quote UN quote, school at the White Tower 'cause they have
02:00:24
like barracks and all this stuff for the men and, and they can go
02:00:28
there. Teenage teenagers, you know,
02:00:31
they can be Squires or whatever to learn how to become a warder,
02:00:36
just basically learn how to fight and learn strategy and all
02:00:39
that stuff. Well, depending on which
02:00:41
direction you're going. And you know, there's a lot of
02:00:45
accepted walking around hoping to be raised to the saw scoping
02:00:49
out who who they might want to pick to be their warder.
02:00:53
So. Yeah, because I remember from
02:00:56
last season when I need was walking in there looking for
02:00:59
Maxim and Ivan, there was another.
02:01:01
I thought he was already a warder.
02:01:04
You know, who approached her was like, yeah, so you're accepted
02:01:07
now, blah, blah, blah. So he wasn't already awarded.
02:01:10
He was training. OK, OK.
02:01:13
Because that's the thing. I was like, OK, these are the
02:01:15
people who have already been chosen to be warders.
02:01:17
But no, it's, it's kind of like a like you go to school to train
02:01:22
for something, then there's probably a test or something
02:01:24
that you have to take to say that you were ready to do this.
02:01:28
Kind of like the. I see.
02:01:29
That, I guess the instructors, you know, but oh, yeah, yeah,
02:01:34
you're good enough. You you're ready.
02:01:36
They can say. Yeah, he's ready, you know.
02:01:39
And they don't have to be a certain age to do that, right?
02:01:42
No, if you can kick the instructor's ass, you're ready,
02:01:48
OK, No matter how old you are. OK, because I think that's the
02:01:52
other question I had. As far as the Isidye, is there
02:01:55
like a specific age that they have to come to the White Tower?
02:01:59
You know, I'm thinking again. My brain automatically goes to.
02:02:03
It's about when they find the girl who can channel.
02:02:07
Is that what you're asking? Yes, it depends.
02:02:11
There isn't a specific age is is.
02:02:13
If you start showing that you can channel, most families will
02:02:17
go ahead and send you. OK.
02:02:20
Whatever age you start channeling.
02:02:21
OK, OK. You know, 'cause the thing about
02:02:24
E Wayne didn't start until she was damn near 20.
02:02:27
OK. Then swan in that flashback.
02:02:31
She was like 9 or 10. She was like 9 or 10.
02:02:34
OK. But there was, and I think I'm
02:02:37
real quick, I think I mentioned this before, there is something
02:02:39
they've changed. You can be born with the
02:02:44
capacity to learn how to channel, or you could be born
02:02:48
with the capacity to channel. OK.
02:02:50
Yes, you mentioned that two different ways.
02:02:53
And they've kind of left that out of of the show so far.
02:02:57
OK, OK. Because they they're you.
02:03:02
Yes, you can either channel or not channel, but you can learn
02:03:05
how the channel if you have that ability to learn.
02:03:07
OK. But they don't.
02:03:10
They don't have that in the show.
02:03:12
OK. Yeah, I think you mentioned it
02:03:14
when we were talking about the Sean Chan.
02:03:16
Yeah. And the problem is if you don't
02:03:19
go, like if you are, if you start channelling because of its
02:03:23
addictive nature, if you are a young person and you start
02:03:26
telling and you start taking in and therefore the one power, you
02:03:29
can burn yourself out and die. So it's usually so it's usually
02:03:35
in your best interest to send your child to learn how to do
02:03:39
it. To learn how to control it.
02:03:41
Learn how to control it. Now there's some places if they
02:03:43
do it a little bit, you know, like this is to say that maybe
02:03:50
wisdoms, some wisdoms, maybe Chandlers in the two rivers and
02:03:55
not know it and kind. Of like Nan Eve.
02:03:59
Kind of like Nan Eve, and she has been probably using, trying
02:04:05
to help heal since she was starting to enhance the
02:04:09
chemicalism and didn't know it. Remember, she killed Elaine, I
02:04:12
mean, Wayne from the breakdowns. Yeah.
02:04:17
And so it's possible people are all over doing it, but they're
02:04:21
doing it a little bit. It's just the ones who realize
02:04:25
what they're doing. If they start doing it more and
02:04:28
more and more and feeding out a train property, they can burn
02:04:31
themselves out. OK, OK.
02:04:36
Yeah, OK. Going back to this water thing
02:04:40
real quick. Glistening bodies.
02:04:46
Glistening bodies. Glistening bodies.
02:04:50
But anyway, so towards the end of the episode we see that her
02:04:54
brothers are going to stay and do their water training because
02:04:59
after Swan has recruited Elaine and Naive to be her hounds.
02:05:07
Which I have a problem with the show continuously referring to
02:05:13
people as animals. It's just bothersome to me.
02:05:18
I don't know if it bothers anybody else, but when she says
02:05:21
that she wants them to be her hounds, Elaine takes this kind
02:05:25
of as her sign that, OK, you know what?
02:05:30
I think she did this on purpose because what does she tell them?
02:05:34
She tells Elaine, you're going to go through the arches tonight
02:05:38
and then you guys are going to get started tomorrow.
02:05:40
And Elaine was like, oh, I think she did that on purpose because
02:05:43
my mother's supposed to Take Me Home tomorrow.
02:05:46
And Elaine makes the decision towards the end of the episode.
02:05:49
She was like, no, I'm staying, I'm going to become a Isodai
02:05:54
because I think what this what does she say?
02:05:56
Her, her mother, I think told her that it would be
02:06:00
advantageous for her to become a Isodai and that's why they sent
02:06:04
her to the tower in the 1st place.
02:06:06
And Elaine is like, yeah, it will help with that.
02:06:09
But that's not the only thing. That's not the only reason why I
02:06:13
want to do this. She was like, I literally healed
02:06:15
the Dragon Reborn in fall. She was like, I have a greater
02:06:20
purpose just from being the the queen, but I'm going to fulfill
02:06:26
that purpose too. But I need to what did she say?
02:06:28
I need to earn it first so. This is a great speech.
02:06:34
Like I, I was so proud of her. I thought just like, and you
02:06:39
knew, you already knew that she was going to say something to
02:06:42
convince her mother to let her stay.
02:06:44
Like there was no shots. She was going there.
02:06:45
She was going to let her mother take her back, to take her back
02:06:48
to the Catholic. That was not happening.
02:06:50
Especially after night Need got upset with her for for telling
02:06:53
her she was leaving. She was like no, I can't do this
02:06:56
right? I can't do this.
02:06:58
Yeah, I'm, I'm glad. I mean, this scene was just so
02:07:01
cool. And and her mom finally, even
02:07:04
the even though her mom left everyone, she basically left
02:07:07
everyone there. She came with I'm like, like
02:07:09
who's going back with her? Like the the the the Rose pedal,
02:07:12
the Rose pedal throwers that and, and her and her man like
02:07:16
that. That's the only people that she
02:07:17
that she came that she's leaving back with.
02:07:19
It's like, like what's her name staying?
02:07:22
Her brothers is staying. Yeah, I.
02:07:24
Was like, yeah. Yeah, I guess Gabriel's going
02:07:27
back with her. But the other thing about more
02:07:31
gays leaving is Elijah Sadai is staying.
02:07:35
And the look on Swan's face when she realized that she was like
02:07:40
and or hasn't been without an acid because, you know, a
02:07:43
consultant in over 1000 years. And Queen Margaze was like,
02:07:47
we'll manage. She's going to stay here.
02:07:49
And Swan just looks and she's just like she kind of takes off
02:07:55
because you know, a lot of Sadai is about to be a headache for
02:07:59
her. She is about to be a headache
02:08:02
regardless of whether she is a bad person, a black eyes or
02:08:07
what. She is about to be a headache
02:08:10
for someone. Especially now that we know that
02:08:14
she wanted to be the ambulance and she got beat up by someone.
02:08:18
I have a feeling she may try again, especially with
02:08:22
everything that's going on in the tower.
02:08:25
I think what she's going to try to do is she's going to try to
02:08:28
pit the sisters against someone and be like, OK, you know what,
02:08:31
she's leading. And Black Asha got in under her
02:08:35
nose. We can't trust her to be the
02:08:37
leader. And that's probably the plat
02:08:40
look, the platform she's going to run on that.
02:08:43
That's probably what she's going to tell them.
02:08:45
And I just kind of I kind of worry about it for someone.
02:08:52
And not only that, I kind of worry about it for Rand too,
02:08:55
because I think if anybody else aside from Swan is the ambulance
02:09:04
seat, they are going to make it their mission to go after Rat.
02:09:08
I think. So Swan right now, I don't think
02:09:11
she sent anybody after Ran because right now she has bigger
02:09:15
problems as far as the black Asha goes.
02:09:18
But I think also there is a part of her that realizes that what
02:09:25
she did in form was wrong. And I mean, she admitted it.
02:09:28
She said there were things that she did that she regrets.
02:09:30
And I know one of those things was probably trying to command
02:09:33
Moraine to not to close the way gate.
02:09:37
But I I just feel like she probably still has enough trust
02:09:42
in Moraine to say, OK, if Moraine is doing this with Rand,
02:09:45
there is a reason. Like we had a whole mission for
02:09:49
20 years that we needed to find the the Dragon Reborn, and
02:09:54
Moraine has done that and now she's still with him.
02:09:57
So maybe I need to kind of see which way the wind is blowing.
02:10:01
What is Moraine doing? I trust her enough maybe to to
02:10:07
see this through. But I don't think that's going
02:10:10
to be the case. If Eliza or anybody else sits on
02:10:13
that seat, they're going to go after Ran.
02:10:16
And I don't think that's going to be a good ideal for anybody,
02:10:21
especially because Ran can't control it.
02:10:24
Like he can control it to a point.
02:10:27
But just like he said in this conversation here with Moraine,
02:10:32
it was like, yeah, it's not that I can't control this.
02:10:35
Just when I touch it, I don't want to control it.
02:10:37
He was like, it's almost like an addiction.
02:10:39
I just want to keep keep at it, keep at it.
02:10:42
And do you understand what that feels like?
02:10:44
And Moran is like, no, he was like, so you, you can't tell me
02:10:47
how I'm supposed to do this. You can't tell me that I'm going
02:10:51
to have to channel because that might be dangerous for everybody
02:10:54
involved, like. You see, it's like he has a, he
02:10:58
has a thirst. Yeah.
02:11:01
And the way to take care of is right there, yeah.
02:11:06
He's like, but it's not just about quenching that thirst
02:11:09
because I'll keep drinking. I'll keep on keeping.
02:11:11
So sweet. Yeah, yeah, he was.
02:11:14
The way he was making the sound, I was like, OK, yeah, I want
02:11:18
some of whatever he's. But Moraine doesn't.
02:11:24
She doesn't understand what that compulsion is like for him,
02:11:26
because the one power is kind of a part of her.
02:11:31
She doesn't have to. She doesn't have to control it
02:11:34
in the same way that he has to control it because it's it's a
02:11:37
part of who she is, as part of what she's supposed to be as far
02:11:40
as being a woman like it's a. Yeah, well, there there's a
02:11:43
difference between a man channeling and a woman
02:11:46
channeling. So men, men is described as
02:11:49
having, they have to seize the one Power to use it.
02:11:53
Women have to surrender to the One Power in order to use it.
02:11:58
Yeah. So I don't know.
02:12:03
I just, I think that I think the I said that I think the tower
02:12:08
needs to focus on their black Asha problem, which we didn't
02:12:13
see any of them in this episode. So that's what they need to
02:12:18
worry about. They need to.
02:12:19
Leave, you know. Wait, what you say?
02:12:24
Or did we? I mean, there, there's always
02:12:27
that possibility, but I'm saying the the the known ones, the ones
02:12:32
that we know are black Asha, they are, they are off
02:12:35
somewhere. Leandron and her cabal.
02:12:38
There you go. I have a feeling season episode
02:12:42
3 is going to be full of Leandron and her cabal.
02:12:47
OK. I mean, like you said, we
02:12:52
haven't seen them, so it's time to see them.
02:12:55
Yeah, and figure out what they're up to, where they are
02:13:00
and what their plans are. Because it's like, OK, now that
02:13:03
you have all of the stuff that was in the repository, now that
02:13:06
you have basically made an enemy of yourself with the rest of the
02:13:10
eyes to die, Like where could someone like them go and be safe
02:13:19
or lay low? So yeah, that that's what I need
02:13:23
to know. Where where you guys going?
02:13:25
I know they were trying to get to a boat in that last episode
02:13:28
because Leandro was like, get to the docks, get to the docks.
02:13:31
So there's somewhere away from Tarvilan because I think if they
02:13:35
had been in Tarvilan that they they would be dead.
02:13:38
But yeah, I, I want to see that and I want to see what's going
02:13:42
on with E Gwen and this whole thing with the Teleron Riyadh.
02:13:47
Because for you to dream about a woman and then this woman is in
02:13:50
front of you. I need to know more of what's
02:13:53
going on, so do we have anything else to talk about?
02:13:59
I know there was a lot going on in this episode.
02:14:02
Yeah, this episode was a lot of setup for big payouts later
02:14:06
probably. And episode 1 was like a 9.8 for
02:14:13
me. This was probably like a 8.5.
02:14:17
OK. So good solid setup episode.
02:14:21
Yeah, yeah. No action.
02:14:24
We discussed Gabriel may be trying to compose Elaine when
02:14:27
she when he was talking to her. OK, shots Avienda the first time
02:14:36
they were walking and she said OK, we're almost there.
02:14:38
She said I will make it before night.
02:14:41
But then she looked him up and down like we can make camp.
02:14:44
Yeah, she was looking at them like I you would make it before
02:14:47
night, but y'all are not I I was like, oh the shade episode.
02:14:52
Everybody is throwing shade and I love it.
02:14:55
I had mentioned before the I the the maidens run everywhere.
02:15:00
They don't get tired, they run everywhere.
02:15:03
They look at people riding horses like what is wrong with
02:15:05
y'all? Because look, let me tell you,
02:15:08
all this walking they were doing, I was getting tired
02:15:11
because you have to imagine they are walking probably hundreds of
02:15:17
miles. Because I haven't looked at a
02:15:20
map. I know there's a map out there.
02:15:21
I'm going to take a look at it, But trying to figure out how far
02:15:26
it is from Tarbelon to the aisle waste and all of the things that
02:15:31
they were walking through and over, over the hills and through
02:15:35
the woods to grandmother's house, we go.
02:15:37
That's a lot of walking. I couldn't do it.
02:15:40
I'd be dead. Well, yeah, I'm I'm.
02:15:45
And they didn't. They didn't cheat and use the
02:15:47
Waze. Well they didn't cheat use Waze,
02:15:50
but there might be some cheating involved.
02:15:53
You know Wayne has access to the one power, Moraine has her stat
02:15:58
boots from land, Land has his stat boots, Ran has access to
02:16:03
the one power, and Aviendo's IEO made another spear so they they
02:16:11
going to move at a pretty good clip.
02:16:13
OK. Oh yeah, Because I think I
02:16:16
remember from the first season, the one power kind of gave
02:16:21
Moraine a little bit of extra energy so she didn't get tired
02:16:25
up until she got attacked. But.
02:16:28
And, and if she really wanted to, this is a lot, but she could
02:16:34
actually be boosting them with one power.
02:16:38
She does have that. They do have that ability to do
02:16:40
that. OK.
02:16:42
So. OK.
02:16:44
Just saying it, it may not be as daunting as we think it is and
02:16:49
there might be a little bit of cheating involved.
02:16:51
OK. So because there are times in
02:16:54
the books when Rand was riding his horse and he would use the
02:16:57
one power to kind of boost the horse a little bit so they could
02:17:00
do that. OK.
02:17:04
They they may not even realize she's doing it.
02:17:06
That that's the thing. Right.
02:17:08
Well, I mean, if they if they notice that Co covering a couple
02:17:11
of 100 miles in the day, they they might notice, but we don't,
02:17:16
we don't know how long this journey is taking them.
02:17:18
So yeah. OK, so y'all young we all were
02:17:22
saying talking about Elida like running for they're trying to be
02:17:25
ambulance seat again. All I could hear was her
02:17:28
sounding like Trump, like the black Asia have taken over.
02:17:33
The Asia are here. If I if I was the ambulance
02:17:36
seat, I would take care of everything.
02:17:40
I would handle it. The tower would be closed.
02:17:43
Why would you even mention that idiot on this show Like.
02:17:48
Why she's in red? She has a really weird voice.
02:17:52
It's the same. Thing she doesn't her voice is
02:17:54
not weird I take. Offense to that I'm kidding.
02:17:57
No, he was. He was pounding Donald Trump.
02:18:01
The ambulance. Y'all have dirtied my podcast
02:18:05
with the mention of that name. Not once.
02:18:08
But. She has such a beautiful voice.
02:18:11
She does, she does. So I was so excited when I saw
02:18:16
that they cast her was like, oh, what is she going to do now?
02:18:19
Because she is like, if you are a science fiction or fantasy
02:18:24
person, not even just that, just her and whatever, she is just
02:18:30
always amazing. So I was like when I when I saw
02:18:34
who she was and I asked Anthony, I said, OK, so who is it
02:18:38
lightest? So that he was like, yeah, I was
02:18:42
like, oh, OK, OK, so she's going to have a deliciously maybe
02:18:47
evil, maybe not so evil, maybe kind of on the fences roll.
02:18:52
I'm here for it. I'm just.
02:18:54
Let's just say that typical. Rain nausea.
02:18:57
Yeah, that, that same taste in your mouth, that Liangelis.
02:19:01
Yeah, Eliza said. Same text.
02:19:07
Yay. OK, well, at least I get to
02:19:10
listen to her voice while she does it.
02:19:13
And she plays a deliciously evil character like I saw her in.
02:19:19
I'm trying to think, what did I see her recently when she was,
02:19:22
oh, Renfield? She was the bad guy in Renfield.
02:19:27
And that shit was so funny. I was like, you know, she does,
02:19:33
she does evil really well. So if that's the vibe she's
02:19:37
bringing to this show, I'm here for it.
02:19:39
She's also a bad guy in Penguin too.
02:19:42
In the Penguin. That I have not had a chance to
02:19:45
watch it, but. We.
02:19:46
We'll get to that. We.
02:19:49
I, I will. I know, I know, I know.
02:19:51
Now she she played a good guy in Mass Effect to the video game
02:19:56
so. Oh, OK, OK.
02:19:58
She's a good guy in that. And then she was in.
02:20:02
I recently watched Star Trek Beyond.
02:20:06
For the first. Time because we were getting
02:20:09
ready for a stellar fest, Stellar Fest convention.
02:20:12
That was last weekend and I was prepping for one of Anthony and
02:20:15
Nick's panels and they were talking about the Kelvin
02:20:19
timeline Star Trek's. And I'm sitting here looking,
02:20:22
I'm like, I don't think I remember this movie, but I know
02:20:25
I'm a fan of those films. So I was trying to figure out
02:20:28
why I had to watch that movie. And then she popped up.
02:20:30
I was like, Oh, no, I definitely would have remembered if she was
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in this movie. Like, why did I not watch it?
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And then I realized that movie came out like two months after
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Anton Yelchin passed, and I couldn't watch it.
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And I just never went back to watch it because I couldn't at
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that time, I couldn't watch them on screen.
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So yeah, but she was in that too.
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So yeah, she she does. She does good characters well,
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she does evil characters even better.
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So I'm just, I'm looking for, especially if she's bringing
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that kind of energy because yeah, we can't stand Leandra's
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character, but she's a fun character to hate.
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So I'm looking forward to directing that energy towards
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another character. It'll be great, It'll be fine.
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So you guys have any final thoughts on this episode?
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Now I'm clear. Clear all right, well, in that
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