#thewheeloftime Season 3 returns with a literal bang! One month after the events in Falme, treachery and betrayal lead to a deadly confrontation in Tar Valon. Danger and machinations threaten to tear the friends from Two Rivers apart, again. Moiraine makes a questionable alliance. Suian makes a plea for the girls to return to the Tower to resume their training. An attempt on their lives sets the group on their destined paths.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing season 3, episode one
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of The Wheel of Time. We are here season 3 and Oh my
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gosh, they started with a bang. What?
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And. Here we go, here we go again
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with us not being able to trust anybody in this show like you
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can't trust. Nobody.
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Like holy shit. How about like like when they
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put her in front and have like have the other eyes to die are
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black eyes are black. I I literally thought I thought
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was just gonna be the red Dodger come and try to try to save her,
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but then I was like, oh, this is bad.
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This is really bad. Holy shit.
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Five out of the 21 sitters. Real black Ozza.
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This no. I think it was more than 5.
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That of the sitters. OK, OK.
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Yeah, 'cause I was thinking there, I think I thought there
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was one more, but no, you're right.
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It was 5 and then and then the group.
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They came on the outside and took care of the worst.
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Let me tell you, so they they released the 1st 11 minutes of
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the season maybe about 2 1/2 weeks before the season dropped
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and I decided to go ahead and watch it.
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And I was, when I tell you, I was sitting watching these first
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11 minutes and I was so hyped. I was in my living room.
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I was screaming. I was yelling at the TV because
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I really thought this bitch Leandra was about to get what
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was coming to her. I should have known better.
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I should have known better. But the way that they played it
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up in those first 11 minutes, it was it was great.
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Because this is taking place about a month after the events
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in fall. So the ambulance seat has called
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for sitting of the hall. She's called for all of the
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sitters except for the red Asha. Leandrian is the only person.
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That's because she's calling Leandrian to the floor, which
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basically I think in my mind, I'm like, OK, so that means it's
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kind of like a disciplinary hearing maybe because I've, I
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don't think we've ever seen, really seen that before, except
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for with what happened with Moraine.
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And we know that was kind of a setup.
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They they did that on purpose. Real quick shout out to Leanne
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during her best Gandalf. When Aldred Osher tried to go in
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there, she was like, ping, you shall not pass.
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Leanne Are you talking about Leanne?
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Leanne So let me tell you, we, we said this in the last couple
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of episodes of Season 2. Leanne is that bitch.
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Do you hear me? Like she comes across as very
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harsh, She comes across as me, but that is a woman.
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I don't want to cross in the street because when I said it
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last season that she may be this, she may be that, but when
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it comes to having Swans back, she's going to be that chick.
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She definitely proved it in this one and Alana as well.
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So I guess whatever whatever doubts we might have sort of had
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about Alana in the last season, I feel like OK, that's all put
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to bed because she Alana had to give up too much in this episode
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for for her to be black Asha. But I think the first
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interesting thing was, especially in hindsight, going
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back, rewatching the scene is when they're all outside in the
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hall, all of the different, you see all of the different groups
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of the the Asha's talking amongst themselves and you see
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certain people coming in. You see Leandra coming in and
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that's when she's told that she's been called to the floor.
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I find it so interesting that one of her rare Asha's sister
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says we'll stand with you Leandra, whatever the charges.
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I was like, hmm, OK, that's gonna come.
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That's gonna be interesting for later because y'all didn't know
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what the charges were, but I'm sure y'all didn't think it was
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that she was black Asha. Y'all probably thought anything
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else, but I don't think they thought it was that.
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The other thing I noticed is that when Alana walks in the
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hall, her confidence stride her her nice little green bodice
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dress with with a little bit of cleavage showing and she's
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walking in that confidence. Some of the other sisters were
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looking at her like who does she think she is?
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I was like, y'all don't like Alana and that's OK with me
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because something about the way they were acting outside was
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even just kind of weird. You know, it's very cliquish,
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which. I I guess it is cliquish.
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Yeah. They're they're reasons why the
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Ojas don't really care for each other.
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I mean, they don't really. They just think the Greens are
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just like what? What?
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Not only do you have 345 warders, you also what with
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them? Yeah, no, they can't.
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So. So my question is that's, I
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guess that's not just Alana, because the other girl who came
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in Jane, she also had two waters.
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So is that like a common thing with the green Asha where they
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have more than one water and they're probably involved with
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more than one water? More or less, OK.
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I mean, there's some that just have one that would be like
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their, you know, their mate or whatever.
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OK. But yeah, more or less.
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I mean literally more or less. OK, OK.
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But yeah, so Leandra goes into the hall, and Suwan starts this
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off very subtle. He was like, do you know why I
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called you here, Leandra? And Leandra already has
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attitude, probably because I don't quote your favor, and I'm
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kind of glad I don't. And then she proceeds to tell
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everyone in the hall, you know, she's like making accusations
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and she's telling everybody in the hall about how Suwan called
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the sisters to Kyrie in and how while she was there she met
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Moraine and ran this guy who could channel who, you know, the
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tower says we are bound to cage and, you know, control.
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Here's my one question I have about that whole thing, because
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I think it's come up a couple of times about the fact that
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Moraine has been banished from the White Tower.
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Does that mean that Swan is not supposed to have any contact
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with her at all, no matter where she is?
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Or is it just that she can't come to Tar Valan?
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They were very careful, their oath.
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I'm not talking about their oath.
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I'm talking about what it's supposed to mean to everybody
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else. Like when when you say she has
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been banished from the White Tower, does everybody else take
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it as she has been exiled? So we are.
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It's like she's excommunicated. We can't have any contact with
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her. Or is it just that she can't
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step foot back in Tarval on? OK, you're, you're asking like 3
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different questions. So you really just have to go by
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the oath. The oath says she can't come
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back to the White Tower. OK, you didn't say anything
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about being shunned. She didn't have, you can't have
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no contact with any other sister.
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You didn't have any of that. It was just you're banished from
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the white White Tower. You can only come back until I
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say so. OK.
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So she was have to be in contact with her so she can let her know
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she can come back. OK, so.
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Because the way that Leandra was kind of bringing it to
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everybody, it's kind of like, oh, she had, you know, she had
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contact with Marine Sadai, who has been banished from the White
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Tower. I was like, is like, why would
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that be a thing for them to start whispering?
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Oh my gosh, she, she talked to Maria.
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She just she just doing it for dramatic effects.
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Yeah. And I don't think they at the
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moment, they probably weren't thinking that she wasn't told
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she can't contact. She didn't kick her out of the
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eyes to die. Right.
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Banister from the tower. Right.
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Yeah, until such a such, such a such time.
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Yeah, she could come to. She could come to Tarvilan, she
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just can't come into the tower. OK, so that was that was the
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thing that I was kind of confused about because the way
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that Leandra was setting everything up, like she was
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telling all of the sitters like, oh, I have an accusation against
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you. You're, you're going against
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Tower Law about different things, about her meeting
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Moraine, about her meeting. Moraine I think the main thing
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was that this boy is a Dragon Reborn and she didn't cage him
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like she was supposed to. OK.
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She was conspiring with Marine. Right.
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Is basically what she was accusing her.
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Of OK and then she also said something about letting him go
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on purpose and I'm like she doesn't know the exact
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circumstances of how Rand got away.
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She doesn't, but it doesn't matter to her.
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Yeah, because yeah, 'cause someone had him and doesn't have
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him now, so she let him get away.
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Yeah, OK. And she can lie so.
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Right. So there's one comes back with
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accusations of her own. And she was like, OK, so if if I
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did the things that you are accusing me of, which she could
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say in clear confidence because she didn't let Rand go, she was
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like, OK, so if if I did the things that you're accusing me
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of, then yes, of course the other sisters have to hold me
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accountable. But I know something they don't
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know about you. And that's that you're a dark
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friend. And Leandra's like trying to hem
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and Haw like you don't have any proof.
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And they were looking at each other.
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Her and Leanna was like, OK, so they bring my Neve out and I
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Neve walks out and everybody's like, oh, and Leanna's like,
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yeah, Leandra and kidnapped her and sold her to the Sean Chan.
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And so you think at this point, it's it's a done deal.
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But Leandren, I don't know what she was thinking.
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And like you said, I think a episode or two ago, Anthony,
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Leandra's thinking she's a dark friend.
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She could probably do what she wants.
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She could probably hurt her sisters with no, with no issues,
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'cause she 'cause she damn sure tried it.
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She tried to use the power against her sisters.
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And so I was like, how dare you? You use the one power in this
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hall against your sisters. The way she came off that seat
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and started going towards Leandra, I thought Leandra was
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about to get her ass like BB. All I could think of was, I
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could swear, just waiting for Leandra to say.
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Rain. Fire.
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Like Thanos and End Game, because it looked like someone
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was going to piece her up like Scarlet Witch did to Thanos.
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I was like, oh, she's going to pull her apart.
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Like they're going to be pieces of Leandron all over the fucking
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circle. She tried.
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So as impressive and and beautiful as this scene look
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what what was someone doing? Like just kill the bitch.
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Just. Kill Monologuing.
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Well, not only that I have, I have a theory about that because
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1. I don't think she was planning
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to kill her. She, she basically said they
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were going to gentle her, they were going to take her powers,
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but she was like, before you do that, you're going to tell me
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who the Black Asha are. And then Lynn, just like, OK,
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I'll show you who they are. And then that's when you see the
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the the members of the black Asha kind of stand up.
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They start attacking each other. I kind of think when it got to a
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point where you see Suwan kind of doing the motion and you see
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Leandro and like coughing up blood, I think at that point she
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was really about to kill her because she was pissed off that
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there were so many black Asha in the room with them.
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Like how did we not see this? But I think she probably was not
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strong enough. This is just my opinion.
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First episode. Based on what happened last
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episode, I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons why Laffier
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said A A a a what? Is what she said a broken?
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ARM is better than a dead. Is better than a dead one
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because. I don't think she's more strong
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enough. Because if if you're thinking
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about it, or at least the way that I look at the, the power
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struggle within the show, the ambulance seat should have been
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able to take down Leandro with no problem.
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OK. And she was struggling to do
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that now, mind you. Yeah.
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There's all this other chaos going on around her.
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There's fights. You know, Ice and I are dying by
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their sister's hands. So I know that that all of that
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was going on, too. But I think if she was at full
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power, the anchor would have been dead.
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I don't think she was strong enough.
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OK, the other issue I have is when you see when she calls her
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for her sisters to come join her, they stand up and they walk
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and saunter all the way over there, right and turn around and
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start attacking. What are the other sitters
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doing? Are they in shock?
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I mean. I think probably.
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So I don't know everything you said, everything I went down, I
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can, I can justify it. I just don't think it looked
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right because it was. It's awfully convenient that
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five, really four sisters take out the other 12.
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Wait 7? Because it was only 6 odds in
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there. So six times the 18 of the other
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fourteen sisters, including Leanne.
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And you know, I don't know, it just seems a little weird, but
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you know, whatever, it was a nice scene, but of.
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Course, I think to answer your question, I do think that maybe
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yes, they were in shock because if you the discussions we've had
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last couple of episodes, once Black Asha started being kind of
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thrown into the dialogue, like Black Asha was a rumor for a
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long time. There was no, there was nothing
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solidified that that actually existed until they found out
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that Leandro was a dark friend. So I think it's bad enough to
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find out that she is a dark friend, but then to turn around
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and when she says join me, I mean, if you look at the look on
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Suwon's face when she said that, because Suwon was like, wait
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there and here. And then the other sisters, it's
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like you're taking them from a situation where at first they
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were kind of they were all sitting there joking and kind of
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gossiping about what Leandron and Swan were saying about each
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other. They were like, Oh my God, did
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you hear that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And then you hear you see the thing about Naive come out and
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you hear that what Leandron did. And I think they're all sitting
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here like what? And I don't think it wasn't
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until she had me, Andrew up in the air and you could see the
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camera focus on a couple of the isodive where they were looking
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at each other like what we bout to do, What we bout to do 'cause
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I think if Leandra had not said join me, sisters, they probably
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would not have done anything yet at that time.
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But when she said that, I think that was their sound, like, OK,
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we're about to make our grand entrance and everybody is
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looking around shocked because there was like, there were a
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couple of Izodi who you could see the surprise plainly on
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their face. There was the one who got sliced
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in half looking like, what the fuck?
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I just think it was. Yeah.
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It was one of those things where your brain is taking a while to
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comprehend what it is that you were seeing and what's going on.
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I mean, the Izodi are powerful, but they are human too.
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And that's a very human emotion, especially in the midst of that
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kind of grand betrayal. Like, these are my sisters.
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These are the people that I trusted.
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Like Baron said about Naomi later on in the episode, she
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said, this is a girl that I have watched grow since girlhood, and
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she betrayed me. I think all of them were just in
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shock. It's like I, Yeah, it would be
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like the three of us. And we find finding out that
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Anthony is a dark friend or Michelle is a dark friend.
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It's kind of like, what the fuck?
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We already know Anthony's a dark friend by how he acts around
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here. Isn't it that that's not that's
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not neither here nor there. But this is like this is
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basically like in wrestling turns.
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This is like an ultimate heel turn.
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It's like like for real. It's like something that comes
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out of the complete blue and it's like.
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Like John Cena turning to the bad side.
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Exactly, it's just like that, except better, except better
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orchestrated by I digress. This shouldn't make any sense to
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me, but I anyway yes, is it this?
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This shit was so fucking shocking.
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And then it's like they Naomi's little see, they try to get me
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to say the M word. I'm like, I'm not going to do
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it, but this little bitch, I swear to God, I was like, and as
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soon as the fight started and they went in there, I was like,
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something's not right. Like one of it's like, it's like
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something's not right with that. I don't like that at all.
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Like showing her like basically the Talisman.
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Did y'all ever watch? OK, My kids used to watch.
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OK me too, but it's a cartoon called Jackie, the Jackie Chan
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Adventures. It's like they used to have the
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Talisman and everybody tried to gather them and shit.
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And that's what this reminds me. I'm like, you gonna show her
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their most powerful talents, means or whatever.
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And it's like, the ironic thing is she said there aren't there a
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few people that we could trust. And I was like, when I watched
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the second time, I was like, oh, oh.
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So The funny thing about that is because it was Baron Adelaus and
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Naomi, and they were walking away from all the drama, and
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Naomi was asking the questions like, why aren't we helping the
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Amylan, Where are we going, blah, blah, blah.
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I was really looking at that, trying to see if it was going to
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show us Baron being Black Asha. Like, oh, Baron is, you know,
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she's coming away from the fight and everything because she's
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going to do something that she's not supposed to do.
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So I was sitting here wondering like, OK, are they about to tell
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us that Baron is Black Asha? I was not.
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But she the one that we were saying that might be going on
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bad before, like last season, we were talking about last.
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Night that was one of the ones that we were talking about could
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possibly be So I was actually looking for that like OK, so are
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they about to reveal to us that either Veron or her sister might
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be black Asha? No, it turns out to be Naomi's
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old bitch ass. I was like and then what?
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She does. She wiped her like holy shit.
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I, I was just, I was like, is there no one they can trust in
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this tower except for Leanna? And, and I mean, Leanna and, and
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Alana were obviously very, very protective of Swan and they were
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fighting the, the, the, the black Asha Leanna.
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Let me tell you that one Asha that was in the white.
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When she knocked her down and kept hitting her with her stuff
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I said well y'all have pissed this bitch off.
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Y'all have pissed her off because she is spilling some
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blood the old fashioned way with her hands.
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She was like I don't need the one power for this.
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Y'all leanna off? Yeah, she had the two power
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like. Right.
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But then on the outside, of course, you have Ivan and Maxim
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because they aren't allowed in the hall because it's women
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only. And you have the red Asha and
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all the other people who aren't able to come into the hall, they
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hear all of the commotion going on, but the hall is locked.
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They can't get in. So then here comes the red Asha
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and they're like, let us through, let us through.
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And of course, because Leandron is the one that's being accused,
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Ivan and Maxim are thinking that all of the red Asha are part of
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whatever she's doing. So they're kind of facing off
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with each other. And then here comes this other
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chick, this green Asha and a yellow Asha.
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Here they come from the back. And Maxim is like, oh, thank God
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you're here, Help us. And she was like, no.
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And she tried. She attacks one of the red Asha.
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She tries to attack the other one, the the sitter for the red
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Asha, and then her two warders come around and the red, I think
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her name is Satama. I think, yeah, she kills both of
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Jean's ward warders. And she was like, oh, I killed
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your warders, I'll kill you too. And then Jean does this thing.
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She's like, yes, I feel them dying.
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It feels so good. I was like, what did the isodide
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do to you that you would actually take pleasure in
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feeling their deaths? Like we don't even know who you
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are. And I'm already intrigued.
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Like I need to know more about you.
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I need to know who you are. And I need to know why you hate
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the eyes to die so much that you are sitting there like reveling
00:22:08
in the fact that your sisters are dying.
00:22:12
And then there's of course this, this big fight outside, inside.
00:22:18
I forgot to mention. Here we go again.
00:22:21
Nanny tries to use her power. She can't.
00:22:23
She gets hit by some columns. Channeler 0 like.
00:22:31
I just, I just don't know what to make of this whole thing when
00:22:34
I need I really. I'm telling you they they have
00:22:37
to nerf her I. Know.
00:22:41
Right now they have to nerf her right now because we we're going
00:22:46
to get to the point where she does because, because you'll see
00:22:51
as the season goes. They've nerved her the whole.
00:22:53
Everybody's going to slowly, everyone else has got to get
00:22:57
their their stat upgrades. And she's sitting there waiting
00:23:01
for everyone to catch up with her.
00:23:03
And once they're all on the same level, she'll she'll, she'll
00:23:07
come through. Yeah.
00:23:08
But she's like, she's like Constitution plus zero right
00:23:10
now. I'm going to take your word for
00:23:13
it because I was like, you see all this death and destruction
00:23:17
going on and you can't. Like she couldn't even get a
00:23:20
wisp out. Yeah, obviously, obviously I
00:23:24
will, I will say this. I will give you a little bit of
00:23:27
credit and say, OK, well, they obviously had a plan going in.
00:23:34
They they knew what they were going to do already.
00:23:37
So that would have caught all the other sisters off guard
00:23:41
because there was a plan, you know, they had backup coming on
00:23:45
the outside just in case, you know, stuff didn't work out the
00:23:49
right way inside as fast as they linked together to to create
00:23:55
that blast that that lets you know that they were really, they
00:23:59
really thought out exactly how everything was going to go down
00:24:02
in there because the linking was real quick.
00:24:07
It was because I was like, OK, if she has time to link then
00:24:11
Sawan would have time to link with Alana and but no, they they
00:24:15
were. No, because they were, they were
00:24:17
playing. They had already playing to do.
00:24:19
This and that's what I'm saying. When I watched it I was like OK,
00:24:22
y'all got time. But yeah, if they had it planned
00:24:25
again, Sawan and all the other ones, they're caught off guard.
00:24:28
They right now, Liana and Alana, their only thing is trying to
00:24:34
protect Swan. They're like, OK, we're not
00:24:37
worried about what y'all doing out here.
00:24:40
OK, yes, we got this person, we got this person.
00:24:43
But once they saw them about to link up, it wasn't about OK, a
00:24:46
counter attack. It was about protect the
00:24:48
ambulance seat. And I tell you, they take the
00:24:52
fight outside and when they're outside, it's so funny because
00:24:56
Leandrian and oh wait, actually almost step back when they're in
00:25:03
the 13th repository and after Naomi has done her spell to
00:25:09
knockout Baron and Adelaus, she starts taking artifacts from out
00:25:16
of the repository. One of those artifacts looked
00:25:19
really, really familiar. And then it didn't really click
00:25:22
with me until like the third time I watched that episode.
00:25:27
It's like that looks like a Sean Chin cuff sitting there on that
00:25:32
display. It's.
00:25:33
A bracelet. I saw it too.
00:25:37
I was like, because it's so interesting that once they get
00:25:42
into the repository, the camera angle literally goes from
00:25:46
behind. So like the bracelet is sitting
00:25:49
right here and then you're looking at Naomi and various and
00:25:54
Adelaus from that point. And I'm like, y'all could have
00:25:57
chose any other of the objects, but y'all chose that specific
00:26:02
one. We.
00:26:02
Showed it a couple of times from a couple of different angles.
00:26:06
Yeah. I was like, hmm, OK.
00:26:10
So I'm assuming that's going to play some part later on in the
00:26:13
in the season, but I thought that was really interesting.
00:26:17
Yeah, one thing looked like a fingerprint.
00:26:19
I was like. This swirly piece piece of
00:26:22
glass. Yeah, and one thing looked like
00:26:24
Ashant Ashanti from Moon Night. I'm like, oh, they're bringing
00:26:29
because they're going to, they're going to free Ashanti
00:26:30
again. And there was another Easter egg
00:26:36
in there, the Redstone door frame, which becomes pretty
00:26:40
important later. Oh, OK.
00:26:42
Oh, OK. Hopefully, hopefully it's more
00:26:44
than just the Easter egg, but it it'll come up a couple of times.
00:26:48
OK, OK. But then they move the fight
00:26:51
outside and you have Leandrian and the other black Asha with
00:26:57
her. They're trying to make it to the
00:26:59
docks. Here comes Alana at the end of
00:27:03
the way, and then here come Ivan and Maxim and they're facing
00:27:10
off. I felt like all we needed was a
00:27:13
tumbleweed to go across the screen because it looked like
00:27:17
one of the old western face offs.
00:27:21
And Alana, let me tell you this Alana was pretty well put
00:27:25
together for somebody who had been in that battle up in the up
00:27:28
in the white Tower. Her hair was still in place.
00:27:31
Her her eyeliner, her mascara were a little bit runny.
00:27:35
But boy, when I tell you she was shooting daggers at Leandra, she
00:27:37
was like, you will not leave here alive.
00:27:41
And then the fight started. That jump she did, like that
00:27:47
little little matrix jump she did over them.
00:27:50
I was like, Elena is she is not playing the run.
00:27:54
She is not fucking with you right now.
00:27:56
None of them were, because Alana is sitting here doing the
00:27:59
gymnastics and using the one power.
00:28:02
Ivan and Maxim are like stabbing folks left and right, stab,
00:28:06
stab, cut, cut here. And then they get their swords
00:28:09
into Leandra from the back and they both stick her through the
00:28:13
chest. I was like, yes, speech is about
00:28:16
to die. They should have gone for the
00:28:19
head. Well, they tried the second.
00:28:22
The second, the first. Time.
00:28:24
I know they should have gone for the head.
00:28:27
They didn't watch. They didn't watch Infinity War.
00:28:29
They didn't know. They didn't.
00:28:30
They didn't learn from Thor's. Sake.
00:28:33
They didn't because they tried after they stuck her through the
00:28:37
chest, they tried and then when when they went at her head, you
00:28:43
could see like kind of teals from Gene and I think the other
00:28:51
the other acid I was a a yellow acid I.
00:28:54
I'm surprised you didn't ask how was how was an acid?
00:28:59
I was 2 orders able to take down like 5 acid I with like no
00:29:05
problem. It's Alana.
00:29:07
It's Alana and it's Ivan and Maxima.
00:29:10
I've seen them fight enough to know that they ain't nothing to
00:29:12
play with. And then like like you said,
00:29:16
they're, they're linked, they got the bond and.
00:29:18
They got stat boots. What was it?
00:29:20
They got the stat boots all over the place.
00:29:22
She got the. Plus 2 + 2 attack all over.
00:29:25
And I and I also think I feel like the ISO die that they were
00:29:29
fighting maybe underestimated Ivan and Maxim, they were so
00:29:35
focused on Alana. No, you don't think so.
00:29:39
No, they know what warders are capable of.
00:29:41
OK, I was just saying because it looked like they were all like
00:29:45
trying to go for Alana because when I tell you Alana was not
00:29:49
playing in this fight, she was not playing with this fight.
00:29:53
After they couldn't get Leandra's head off, Alana goes
00:29:57
for her and she uses the one power to turn to to create like
00:30:05
a, a, a saw or I don't know what you call that kind of weapon,
00:30:09
but I was like, oh, she is really seriously trying to knock
00:30:12
this bitch's head off. Doctor Strange shit.
00:30:17
And what? And also I think it was sort of
00:30:19
a nod to to her Bollywood history because she's a really
00:30:26
big Bollywood actress. Oh, OK.
00:30:29
So, so, you know, I hadn't heard that this was sort of one of
00:30:32
those things that they're bringing her character to the
00:30:35
forefront to kind of help, I don't want to say help in the
00:30:38
industry, but to kind of put put them a little bit for it.
00:30:42
And I don't I don't have a problem with that at all.
00:30:44
Not at all. Not at all.
00:30:45
Not at all because she was kick ass, because she was mad.
00:30:50
She was mad. But I, I was sitting here trying
00:30:53
to figure out because it almost looked like she had the
00:30:56
advantage, but then those other two eyes to die, which I was
00:31:00
like, where are they not taking care of these chicks?
00:31:04
They, they get her, they knock her out, you know, they slam her
00:31:06
up against the wall, they knock her out.
00:31:09
And then as they get ready to leave, Leandrine turns around
00:31:13
and she looks, she sees Alana on the ground.
00:31:16
She sees one of the, I don't know if it was Ivan or Maxim.
00:31:20
She sees their bloody sword on the ground and she gets ready.
00:31:25
She uses the one power to pick up the sword and Ivan and Maxim
00:31:28
see it at the same time. And they both race towards
00:31:31
Alana. Maxim gets to her first.
00:31:35
Ivan turns around and the sword goes through his chest.
00:31:40
When I tell you I screamed at my TV, how dare you?
00:31:48
And he falls dead and then it's like Ilana and Maxim look at
00:31:55
each other at the same time. And poor Maxim, because he
00:32:00
acknowledged she was like, I can't feel Ivan, I can't feel
00:32:02
Ivan. He refused to look in the
00:32:05
street. He refused.
00:32:08
And Alana crawled over to Ivan. She saw he was dead.
00:32:10
She screamed. I was like, oh y'all don't y'all
00:32:12
don't make her real mad. Now, I don't know what's about
00:32:15
to happen the rest of the season, but you best believe
00:32:17
Leandrian is on. She is number one on Alana's hit
00:32:21
list right now. So you know no more than on
00:32:24
everybody's hit list. Yeah, but number one with a
00:32:29
bullet for for Alana, Alana, Alana is going to tear her, tear
00:32:33
her apart. Yeah, I and I, I really feel
00:32:37
like it's it's at this point where if they see each other in
00:32:40
the street, like I let me see if I understand this one power in
00:32:48
the oath correctly, because I know that they were using the
00:32:50
one power as weapons in this fight, but that's because they
00:32:53
were being attacked, right? So if she just catch Leandra out
00:32:58
in the street, she can't just just go for her and attack her
00:33:02
because she that that would be breaking the oath, right?
00:33:05
No. Oh, OK.
00:33:08
No, it doesn't apply to dark friends.
00:33:12
Oh, OK. And shadow spawn, it doesn't, it
00:33:17
doesn't apply to dark friends. And and there's a debate,
00:33:20
there's a debate in the community about in the book is
00:33:25
very clear, the third oath where you can't use it as a weapon
00:33:29
unless it's against, you know, a dark friend or I mean, in the
00:33:33
defense of a sister or defense of yourself or your warder.
00:33:36
But also it doesn't apply to dark friends.
00:33:40
And Shadow Spa Moraine, when she was explaining the three oaths
00:33:48
in the beginning of the series, she didn't say that part.
00:33:53
But I don't know if that was intentional by the show riders
00:33:59
or she was just doing shorthand. You understand what I'm saying?
00:34:03
Like she she she said what they needed to know at the time, but
00:34:08
she didn't have to say the part about yeah, we don't.
00:34:10
We can use it again. Start friends or Shadow spawn.
00:34:13
That might be kind of understood.
00:34:16
Right, right. OK, I.
00:34:17
Have to wait for I have to wait for a dart friend to attack me
00:34:20
before I kill them. No.
00:34:22
OK. No one OK.
00:34:24
No one in. We call it Randland.
00:34:28
No one in Randland likes dark friends.
00:34:31
Yeah, you. If you're a dark friend, you are
00:34:34
probably going to get killed. The worst thing you could call
00:34:36
someone is a dark friend. Yeah, because you told me they
00:34:39
don't even, they don't even do that as a joke, like they take
00:34:42
it. That they don't even play
00:34:43
around, they take it that seriously.
00:34:45
OK, OK. So, OK, so yeah, so Needless to
00:34:50
say, if Alana sees Leandron, Leandron will catch some hands
00:34:55
and maybe a couple of other things because you don't care
00:34:58
all of them now. Yeah, all of them are now.
00:35:01
If I was last season they they could be killed on site.
00:35:04
Killed on site, OK. And then you have someone coming
00:35:09
through the city because you know, she she's on her way to
00:35:14
try to intercept Leandrin. The two Azadi that are with her
00:35:18
are killed by two of the other dark Asha.
00:35:20
And then they shield Swan. And Swan is actually looking
00:35:25
like she is trying to break out of this shield.
00:35:29
And both of them are saying we can't contain her, she's too
00:35:32
strong. So one of the Azadi says OK,
00:35:35
we'll fuck what Leandra said we gonna have to kill her and so.
00:35:40
She tried. I want to address something you
00:35:42
said earlier about her being weak.
00:35:44
From my understanding on the show, Moraine is, as far as we
00:35:50
know, the strongest Isodai outside of the tower, and
00:35:54
someone is the strongest Isodai in the tower.
00:35:59
So yeah, their shield wasn't going to hold her very long.
00:36:02
Yeah, and I noticed that because she she, she looked like she was
00:36:05
breaking through. And they said they were having
00:36:08
trouble containing her. So what they try to do instead
00:36:11
is they try to bring a building down on top of her head to kill
00:36:14
her, but all of the rubble stops just above Swan's head.
00:36:18
So they're sitting here like, how the hell is she doing this?
00:36:22
They don't know. They're like she, it can't be
00:36:24
her. She shielded, but that's enough
00:36:26
of a distraction for someone to get loose and knock them out.
00:36:30
And then she turns around and she looks and it's Moraine who
00:36:34
has saved her. And she just looks at Moraine,
00:36:37
like Moraine, you know, she she kind of lets the the blocks fall
00:36:42
behind Swan. She takes off.
00:36:44
But I was like. I just want to know all those
00:36:48
dead waters, how the Ivan and Maxim walk out of here.
00:36:53
That's right, 'cause they 'cause they have a, they have Alana,
00:36:57
they have Alana and I, I just, I kind of feel like the way that
00:37:03
they've shown us the waters. Well, one, I will also say this
00:37:08
too, we didn't know any of them or other waters.
00:37:11
We didn't care. Yeah, that'd be border one,
00:37:15
order two. Yeah, whatever.
00:37:17
Basically red shirt don't worry about.
00:37:18
It Ivan and Maxim. So again, the fact that Ivan is
00:37:21
dead, I I have a problem with it like I am in my feelings about
00:37:28
the fact that Ivan is dead, especially since as part of that
00:37:32
relationship, he was the one that Alana and Maxim, I feel
00:37:37
like he was the most loved out of the three in in, in that
00:37:41
whole little. Well, because Maxim loved him
00:37:46
and he loved Alana. And I think Alana loves both of
00:37:51
them too. But I think she.
00:37:53
She loved Ivan. She loved Ivan more, yeah.
00:37:56
And she, I think she was probably bonded to Ivan longer
00:37:59
than she was to Maxim, because Maxim became a warder because of
00:38:02
Ivan at least. That's why I remember.
00:38:05
The conversation. Became her warder because of
00:38:08
Ivan. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:10
But that's what I meant. But yeah, the fact that they
00:38:15
that they killed him, I was just sitting there like, what the
00:38:19
fuck? What in the world?
00:38:24
So anyway, so now black Asha fully incorporated into the show
00:38:30
and and have done some damage outside of all of this.
00:38:34
At the beginning of the episode, we see Moran, we see Land, and
00:38:40
Land is no, I I guess they knew what was about to happen because
00:38:44
of the fact that Nynev was there and Land was like, oh, so wanna
00:38:48
be OK or yeah, I guess that's what he was coming.
00:38:51
He was like, she'll be OK. And Moraine was like, today is
00:38:54
not about her. So after all of this goes on and
00:38:59
they see kind of the destruction at the tower, Land goes to the
00:39:04
tower, sees all the dead waters and then goes in to retrieve
00:39:08
Naive who again has been knocked out 'cause she can't do shit
00:39:12
with her powers. The most powerful eyes to die in
00:39:18
the last 1000. Years.
00:39:22
Maybe, maybe, maybe if we say it five more times, she'll actually
00:39:24
be coming. I don't know.
00:39:28
I don't know. But anyway.
00:39:30
So then we see our Two Rivers people and they're all in the
00:39:34
room together and they're talking about the attack and
00:39:36
what has happened and, you know, talking about the fact that
00:39:40
they've been on the they've been, I, I was about to say on
00:39:43
the road. No, they haven't.
00:39:44
They been on a boat. They've been on a boat for a
00:39:46
month trying to escape from the Forsaken because, you know, Ran
00:39:51
kind of killed one of them in farm.
00:39:54
And they start talking about the fact that the news has already
00:39:58
travelled to Tarvilan, which is, as Equine says, half a world
00:40:02
away. Because parent is like, why
00:40:04
don't we just go somewhere where they've never heard of the
00:40:06
dragon? Let's just go live our best
00:40:08
lives and just forget all this shit.
00:40:10
And it was like, there literally is nowhere for us to go.
00:40:14
Because if they've already heard, like they had already
00:40:17
heard about it in Tarvilan before they even got back.
00:40:21
Word of mouth travels fast so it's gleaming.
00:40:23
Singing them songs. Boy, they move.
00:40:25
It moves fast. Right, right.
00:40:30
Yo shout OK shout out to my boy parent for having the
00:40:32
magnificent Afro. My dog my my dog's fro was fro.
00:40:36
I love his hair. My dog?
00:40:40
Really. I'm not letting it go.
00:40:44
You can just you, you just might as well just deal with it and
00:40:46
move on. But yo, I'm jealous.
00:40:48
It's like, yo, I, I literally almost, I watched this episode.
00:40:51
I almost cut my dreads and tried to replicate that shit.
00:40:54
Don't do that. Don't do that.
00:40:57
Yeah, but yeah, but he said this shit is Immaculate.
00:41:00
And I'm like, these guys, I was like, I'm looking at them every
00:41:06
time I see these guys to get people together.
00:41:08
I'm just like, what the fuck's getting ready?
00:41:10
What are y'all getting ready to do?
00:41:11
Like something y'all getting ready to do some some bullshit
00:41:14
but something's getting ready to fucking happen.
00:41:18
You know, would say this after having almost the whole season
00:41:22
with them being apart. I really liked the scenes with
00:41:26
them together in this episode. Especially since it seems like
00:41:29
this is the only episode where they're all going to be together
00:41:31
because by the end of the episode they're all going
00:41:33
separate ways. But I like the fact they were
00:41:37
there together and they were kind of on one accord and they
00:41:42
were basically supporting each other.
00:41:46
The whole thing with Matt just breaking out in the Old tongue
00:41:50
just at random points, that's a little weird.
00:41:53
Matt's Old Tongue, Surrett. Yeah, that's.
00:41:55
Just like crazy, yes, But one of the things I did like about this
00:42:00
episode is just seeing them kind of be themselves again, even
00:42:05
though it was just for a short time.
00:42:06
Like Moraine tells them that they can't go out into the city
00:42:10
because she was like, yeah, after what happened in the
00:42:12
tower, I don't want y'all near any ice to die.
00:42:15
Y'all need to stay. Like she was like, I don't want
00:42:17
y'all near nobody. Y'all need to stay put.
00:42:20
At least until tomorrow morning when we go to Tear because
00:42:23
they're planning to go to Tear to get a sword that Ran can use
00:42:28
to kill the Forsaken. She was like but I know y'all
00:42:31
not going to listen to me anyway.
00:42:32
I'm just saying, you know, cover your hair, hide your weapons,
00:42:36
and just kind of remember. The way you're talking.
00:42:38
About. They doing they doing none of
00:42:41
that shit. They doing none of that.
00:42:44
Matt was like, I've been cooped up on a boat for a month.
00:42:47
I'm not staying put one more day.
00:42:49
It's like ran parent you coming with me.
00:42:52
They go out and have that little drink and now let me tell you.
00:42:56
I like what Loyal Loyal said. Why this woman want to leave
00:42:59
first thing in the morning before we have breakfast?
00:43:02
Right. Why do we always have to leave
00:43:04
it done? And I always wonder that in
00:43:07
stories, they're like, we're leaving first thing in the
00:43:09
morning, we're leaving it done. We can't we can't just sleep in
00:43:12
for an out. Like do we really have to get up
00:43:15
there early? Loyal is like thinking on the
00:43:17
same accord. He was like, can we just have
00:43:19
breakfast first before we just go off into a boat?
00:43:22
Because, you know, they're not going to have any decent meals
00:43:25
on the boat, especially depending on how long.
00:43:27
What did she say It was going to take them about two weeks to get
00:43:30
to tear. Oh, hell yeah.
00:43:32
Let let them have a good hearty breakfast.
00:43:34
But. Yeah, loyal is me and I.
00:43:37
Am sword. The sword that is not a sword.
00:43:40
The sword that is not a sword that Matt says in the Old Tongue
00:43:43
and everybody's looking at him like the fuck?
00:43:47
Calendar, Calendar and the stone of Tear, A sword and the stone.
00:43:53
Does that sound familiar? Sounds like a little stuff when
00:43:56
it's. Only kind of derivative.
00:43:58
It's only a little derivative, just.
00:44:00
Well, his name Randall Thor Al Randall Thor or Randall Randall
00:44:05
Thor, author. I don't.
00:44:07
Know. Maybe.
00:44:09
I mean, it's a bit of a stretch, but it's enough to it's enough
00:44:12
to connect the dots. I mean, oh, I'm going to blow.
00:44:16
I'm going to. I'm going to mansplain and blow
00:44:17
Mike's mind away real quick. Oh Lord, oh.
00:44:20
God, here we go. There you go.
00:44:21
Get. Me.
00:44:22
So there are three characters that basically represent three
00:44:29
of the Norse gods, and I'll let you think about that for a
00:44:34
while. And though Randolph Thor is not
00:44:38
Thor, he's probably. He's probably, he's probably
00:44:43
Eric the Red or some shit, so. No, just just, well, just put
00:44:46
that in the back of your head as you watch this it.
00:44:48
Could pin in it as Anthony. Said yes, put a pin in it.
00:44:51
Are you? Do you know your Norse mythology
00:44:53
pretty good? I'm going to if not he's.
00:44:58
Probably going to do some research when we get off this.
00:45:00
Recording I I know, I know like a little I know, I know Leaf,
00:45:06
Eric or. OK, then we'll we'll put a pin
00:45:11
in this and we'll come back at the end of the season and we'll
00:45:14
see. OK, OK, now Perry, Matt and
00:45:20
Rand, they go out for some drinks.
00:45:23
Did anybody else think that that the person that was the person
00:45:27
that was sketching them was like, OK, for lack of a better
00:45:30
word, sketchy? No, I I don't think anybody else
00:45:36
there was sketchy except for Matt.
00:45:37
Like, I mean, I love Matt Coffin.
00:45:42
I love this little, little bit of confidence that he has from
00:45:46
being the horn blower. But Matt, for real, I need you
00:45:50
to tone it down a little bit. Wait, what's that?
00:45:53
What's that? He the one?
00:45:54
What's he the one? That said, looking at being in
00:45:56
Chad, I was like, wonder what my chances are?
00:45:59
What's that bad? Yes.
00:46:01
Later on, yes, I don't I don't have a problem with the
00:46:07
confidence, but him walking around talking about you, I'm,
00:46:11
you know, I'm mad. I'm the person who blew the horn
00:46:13
of the liar. He was like, why?
00:46:14
You have your Dragon's head up your Dragon's ass.
00:46:17
I was the one who blew the horn of the liar and ran is just
00:46:20
sitting there cracking up and parent is like, oh, wait, was
00:46:24
that you? Oh, you met Coffin from the two
00:46:26
rivers. Yes, I met Coffin from the two
00:46:29
rivers. I blew the horn of the liar.
00:46:31
I'm like, do y'all have to say that shit so loud?
00:46:34
Like y'all are on the run from the forsaken, right?
00:46:39
Y'all do realize they may have dark friends and Tarville.
00:46:42
All right? I was just sitting there
00:46:43
watching the TV like oh Matt, whatever respect I had for you
00:46:48
in the last episode, you were slowly dwindling it away by your
00:46:52
sheer. I don't know if it's just Glee
00:46:56
that he's back with his two best friends and they're just having
00:47:00
a moment of normalcy, but did you see the way the guy standing
00:47:04
next to him looked at him when he said I blew the horn of the
00:47:06
lid? That guy was like, oh really?
00:47:08
I. Was like, yes, that's the guy,
00:47:10
That's the guy. I was like, what the fuck is he
00:47:13
gonna do? Yeah, not the one sketching him,
00:47:14
but the one who was. No, no.
00:47:15
Yeah, the guy right behind him, he was like.
00:47:19
Yeah. And then Anthony, I noticed the
00:47:21
other little Easter egg they put in that scene because Rand goes
00:47:25
over to the sketch artist and he was like, there's not enough
00:47:29
drink in the world for this. And it was a sketch of Rand and
00:47:33
Ishmael in the sky above the tower fighting.
00:47:38
And that's how you said it happened in the book, right?
00:47:41
I was like, oh, OK, that's cute. They actually put that in there
00:47:44
so that people who might be like, oh, that's not how it
00:47:48
happened in the book. Well, here, here's your here's
00:47:51
your physical representation of it.
00:47:52
I thought that was cute. Yeah, that's cute.
00:47:57
You like? I'd rather see the I, I would
00:47:59
have rather seen the fight. No, the the the way it's
00:48:02
described in the book would be almost impossible vegetarian
00:48:06
wise to do to do it unless they had like a big, you know, the
00:48:10
big Jumbotron they have in Dallas Stadium.
00:48:13
It would have. To do it the way the Agatha and
00:48:16
Kingo fight was and what is Yeah, that's what I was thinking
00:48:20
of when when you described, I was like, oh, it would have to
00:48:23
be like that. Which yes, and live action that
00:48:26
would cost a lot. But in the book, the reason why
00:48:30
word travels so fast is they all thought everybody who really
00:48:35
didn't know what was happening thought that was the dragon
00:48:38
defeating the Dark One. Oh, so they thought it was the
00:48:42
last battle? Yeah.
00:48:43
Oh no. The last battle your common folk
00:48:46
were thinking that oh, he defeated the Dark One.
00:48:49
That's why word travels so fast. You know, Matt has the audacity
00:48:54
to have the horn in the that's why no one believed him.
00:48:59
Those guys sitting there, people talk about hunting.
00:49:02
The Great Hunt is a big deal in Rand, man.
00:49:06
And people have lied and said they have the horn.
00:49:11
People have done. People have boasted about
00:49:12
finding the horn and people are still looking for it.
00:49:15
So of course those guys in there in that bar, they're like, yeah,
00:49:17
whatever, dude. Yeah, but the fact that he had
00:49:21
it and he was just like he had surprised.
00:49:24
He wasn't drinking out of it. It's like.
00:49:31
Yeah, but I mean, just the fact that for all of those skeptics
00:49:35
that are there, there's going to be at least one person who
00:49:38
believes it and who's like, maybe he can do that.
00:49:44
In the back of their minds, to be honest with you, there isn't
00:49:48
anywhere they can go that the forsaken them the way they are.
00:49:51
As we see in this episode. And can keep their hands on them
00:49:55
at any time, so. These guys make me nervous.
00:50:00
They make me so fucking nervous because I know something's going
00:50:02
to fucking happen. I'm like I know it.
00:50:05
Yeah. And then of course, land fear is
00:50:08
in town, which is so funny because, Anthony, I think you
00:50:12
have mentioned this in like the last episode where we were
00:50:15
trying to figure out how much Rand has told Matt about land
00:50:19
fear. And I think you were remembering
00:50:21
the conversation from this episode because in this episode,
00:50:25
when they're having their drinks, they're like, oh, OK, so
00:50:28
let's talk about some normal stuff you and together.
00:50:32
And Rand was like, well, we really haven't talked about it.
00:50:36
And he was like, yeah, well, it's not like you've kissed
00:50:38
anybody else. And Rand sits back like, yeah, I
00:50:40
know something you don't. And and Matt and Karen are
00:50:44
looking at him like, wait, you kiss somebody else or maybe more
00:50:47
like, what's going on? And Rand has this look like,
00:50:50
yeah, I have a secret you don't know.
00:50:53
I will say this, I enjoyed seeing them kind of act like
00:50:59
teenagers again or act like young men again because we
00:51:02
don't. We really haven't seen that
00:51:05
between them since the first episode.
00:51:07
Yeah, this is like a reset of the first episode of Season 1.
00:51:12
So I kind of liked it ran sitting there looking at Matt
00:51:14
and Perry and they trying to figure out who it was.
00:51:17
They were like, wait, was it a older girl?
00:51:18
Like who was it? Was it Avan Avianda And Matt
00:51:23
said no, because she only looks that way at Elaine and Perrin.
00:51:27
The parents like Nope, it's not like that between us.
00:51:29
Matt's like, but it could be. And then they start talking
00:51:33
about Oh, is it what is it? Chiandi and Chiandi and, and
00:51:40
they're like, oh, is it them? And he tells them he was like,
00:51:42
no, it was a it was a woman and keeper.
00:51:45
Her name was Celine, you know, she was in Karian.
00:51:49
And they're like, they start asking him something else.
00:51:53
And I think at that point the question gets a little
00:51:57
uncomfortable for Ryan, 'cause he was like, yeah, let's go get
00:51:59
some. I'm going to go get some more
00:52:00
drinks. Because yeah, you kind of
00:52:04
remembered now that this lady that you were with was also
00:52:08
forsaken. And then here comes land fear.
00:52:11
She's entire vilan. She makes her way up to talk to
00:52:16
man and Moraine. And let me tell you, I
00:52:22
understand that Moraine. I understand she has a mission
00:52:27
and she wants Ran to go to tear for the sword.
00:52:34
But if Land fear is wanting the same thing, I don't think that's
00:52:39
a good idea. It, it, it makes sense.
00:52:43
But at the same time, anything that puts you in league with
00:52:46
Land fear. I, I, I have doubts about,
00:52:51
especially since Land Fear is trying to get Rand away from the
00:52:56
rest of the gang because what, what is it that she says he's
00:53:00
still holding on to his friend. She was like, they remind him of
00:53:03
the boy he used to be instead of the man he must become.
00:53:08
So basically she's like, OK, he needs to get rid of these
00:53:11
friends. And I don't know, maybe I missed
00:53:15
the whole conversation. I mean, I, I, I do know that
00:53:18
there was some extra things happening later on in the
00:53:22
episode when they were attacked, but I was like, where in this
00:53:27
conversation did it come to pass that Moraine told Landfill that
00:53:35
she could fuck with the Two Rivers folks and they were not
00:53:38
going to, they were not going to interfere.
00:53:40
Because when everything starts going down in the end later and
00:53:45
everybody starts getting attacked and LAN is looking at
00:53:48
Moraine like the fucking Moraine is shaking her head like, no,
00:53:52
I'm like, does she realize they're being like attacked?
00:53:56
Attacked. Of course she does.
00:53:58
Just. Sitting here like, when did I
00:54:02
miss that part of the conversation?
00:54:04
Like I understand you scaring them.
00:54:07
I understand you doing stuff that'll make them say, hey, I'm
00:54:10
not going to go, but my knee was stabbed 11 times.
00:54:17
But. See, she had nothing.
00:54:18
You find out later she had nothing to do with that.
00:54:21
Yeah, I I do, I do realize that. But like, while all of that is
00:54:25
going on, the fact that they're screaming and Moraine is just
00:54:31
sitting there so calm. I'm like, Moraine, I think that
00:54:33
there's a little bit more going on than than you think is going
00:54:38
on. Like I think I, I think she
00:54:40
probably expected like some fights, some difficulty, maybe
00:54:44
somebody getting hurt, but at all the stabbing, like parent
00:54:47
got parent had an axe thrown into his chest, Then he had the
00:54:51
axe thrown into his hand. The axe was trying to was
00:54:57
literally trying to strangle Bain and Chiad and also loyal.
00:55:05
And then Matt was sitting there looking at his cards and OK, let
00:55:11
me ask you a question. The whole thing with the cards
00:55:14
kind of mesmerizing him, was that part of what the Gray Man
00:55:20
was doing? Because it was OK.
00:55:22
Because as soon as the Gray Man died, it's like he broke out of
00:55:25
that trance. The the one thing that they've
00:55:28
done in this thing is made the forsaken much more powerful in
00:55:34
the dreams. They really should be.
00:55:37
But I, I mean, I understand why they did it, but they they're,
00:55:40
they're pretty. Some are more adept at it than
00:55:43
others. OK, Now, when in the book it
00:55:48
wasn't landfill that did this, it the the dark one is able to
00:55:53
throw out bubbles of evil that that's what we call them.
00:55:57
And the things that float around and they kind of create chaos.
00:56:01
And that's something that that's what's happening here.
00:56:04
It's just that instead of making it the dark One, they're making
00:56:09
it land fear and have a purpose. The bubbles of fear, the bubbles
00:56:14
of evil are sort of random and don't really have a purpose.
00:56:19
OK, So that because that's what happens in the book.
00:56:22
OK. And in the book the if I
00:56:27
remember correctly the the the items in the cards actually come
00:56:31
out in the tank mat. Oh, OK, so because the way like
00:56:37
the the third time I watched this episode, I was paying
00:56:40
attention to that because, OK, as we learned later on in the
00:56:44
episode, there are two things going on here.
00:56:46
Like Lamphere is having her fun with the Two Rivers folks by
00:56:49
creating chaos. But how do you pronounce your
00:56:52
name? Mogadin?
00:56:54
We'll get in. She also has a Gray man there
00:56:57
who is actually, like, physically attacking them.
00:57:00
But we don't learn this until later on.
00:57:02
But while Matt is sitting and looking at the cars and you see
00:57:05
the cars kind of moving and doing this thing and he's in
00:57:08
this trance. It almost seems like because he
00:57:12
had just described to not need what was going on in his head
00:57:17
with all the memories and him hearing people screaming and
00:57:19
stuff. I feel like he thought he was
00:57:22
just hearing the memory scream instead of hearing Naive and
00:57:26
hearing everything else that was going on in the end with
00:57:29
everybody. It was almost like maybe he it.
00:57:32
It's a little weird because again, I'm really not sure how
00:57:37
powerful she is and illusions, but he I wanted to say maybe he
00:57:42
sort of maybe passed out on his feet and went to sleep, but
00:57:47
maybe she did get him into a chance.
00:57:49
I don't know how, but that that's the only one I don't
00:57:53
understand. But I want to go back to say she
00:57:56
did confront Moraine. She said.
00:57:58
You think, Moraine said. You think I will hurt them to
00:58:03
get him to do what we want? And and lengthy's like, yeah,
00:58:09
that's what I like. About the only thing I like
00:58:11
about you. So that that that was the plan,
00:58:17
so that that was a part of the conversation that lets you know
00:58:20
that she was going to let her do whatever she needed to do to
00:58:24
give them, get them to go where they need them to go.
00:58:28
Yeah, but I I guess the part like she was saying when they
00:58:32
confronted her about it later on, she would say, Oh yeah, I
00:58:35
was just having a little fun because what did she do?
00:58:39
E Gwen and Ran are sleeping. A Dwayne has a dream about Rena
00:58:44
because she she talks about it in this episode about how she
00:58:47
and Rand are trying to reconnect but every time he touches her
00:58:50
she has flashback of Rena and then she sees Rena in her dreams
00:58:53
at night. So she has this dream about Rena
00:58:56
choking her and then she wakes up and Rand is choking her.
00:59:00
Then she looks to the side where Rand was laying and realizes
00:59:04
Rand is still there. So this is something else that
00:59:08
is choking her, trying to kill her.
00:59:09
Ran gets up, he starts fighting with this thing.
00:59:12
Then here comes another Ran and here comes another Ran.
00:59:14
And it's like all of these different shadow rans and
00:59:18
they're all trying to kill Lee Gwaine.
00:59:21
One of them actually does stab her.
00:59:23
And then she realizes that one of them comes out of a mirror
00:59:27
and she breaks the mirror and it disappears.
00:59:29
So that's when she realizes that they're they're coming from the
00:59:33
mirrors, Ran. Takes care of that.
00:59:35
They're what they're. They're reflections.
00:59:37
Oh. OK, yeah, so you have that going
00:59:40
on. Like I said, Matt and I need for
00:59:42
having a conversation about all the stuff going on in Matt's
00:59:45
head and then all of a sudden Matt kind of blanks out and I
00:59:49
need is trying to figure out what's going on with her.
00:59:51
She gets stabbed from the back, then she's fighting off this
00:59:54
thing. She keeps getting stabbed.
00:59:56
I'm I'm telling y'all, I had to pause the tvi couldn't I
01:00:01
couldn't watch her keep getting stabbed.
01:00:03
I. I was feeling every one of those
01:00:05
steps. I was like, can somebody please
01:00:06
step in at this point? But there was really nobody to
01:00:10
help her. Because, again, Moraine is
01:00:13
thinking, you know, OK, Land Fear is just going to do
01:00:16
whatever to get them to leave. Man is up there with Moraine
01:00:20
pacing because he's like, OK, this is getting serious, but
01:00:25
this is what we need to let happen again.
01:00:28
This this is the second time, that maybe third time that
01:00:33
Marine has asked landfill for help and landfill went
01:00:37
overboard. Right.
01:00:40
And and that's the thing like that's why I was saying at the
01:00:43
beginning, any time that you and landfill are on the same page,
01:00:47
that's not a that's not a good sign.
01:00:49
It's not a good sign. And so you have that, you have
01:00:53
the stuff that was happening with Lily Allen and everything.
01:00:57
And then when, when I need can't get Matt's attention after she's
01:01:04
been stabbed for like the 10th, 11th time, she calls for land.
01:01:08
When she calls for land, Land looks at Moraine like fuck you.
01:01:12
He gets his sword and he goes downstairs.
01:01:14
He kills the the Gray man that was on top of her.
01:01:17
And then Matt comes out of his his thing.
01:01:20
Everything else upstairs stops. But it's like that's when
01:01:25
they're sitting there looking like what the fuck is going on?
01:01:28
So when land and Moraine go to talk to land fear and they were
01:01:33
like, you went too far. She was like cards and eggs
01:01:38
mirrors. I was just having a little fun.
01:01:41
Land looked like he bout to kill her.
01:01:43
He was like Naive was stabbed in no when he say first he said
01:01:49
nobody was supposed to get hurt and she was like it's nothing
01:01:53
that some simple healing couldn't fix.
01:01:56
My. Knee was stabbed 11 times and
01:01:59
her face changed she was like, I didn't touch her who is she
01:02:02
attacked by and when Moraine says a Gray man with blackened
01:02:06
fingertips. Her face changed she was like
01:02:08
hold up, there's only one for a second that could do that get
01:02:10
ran out the city and she. Y'all gotta go.
01:02:13
Now, this is the thing that made me laugh at that scene, because
01:02:18
the two times that we've seen her either in contact with
01:02:23
Magedian, is that her name or her name has been mentioned?
01:02:28
Land Fear turns white as a ghost and she is gone.
01:02:32
And I'm, I keep replaying what everybody says in my head that
01:02:37
Land Fear is the most dangerous of the Forsaken.
01:02:40
And I'm like. No, she's not.
01:02:42
No no, that's just like y'all telling us that Naive is the
01:02:47
most powerful channeler in 1000 years but she can't do shit.
01:02:50
Land fear does not strike me as the most dangerous now because
01:02:53
that Mogadian girl. Land Fear is probably the most
01:03:00
powerful. She's as powerful as a woman
01:03:03
could be in the One Power, and Magillion is one of the weakest
01:03:09
of the Forsaken, but she is. The most looking at the show.
01:03:14
She's the most dangerous of the Forsaken because she's easy to
01:03:18
underestimate and you know, and she calls herself the spider and
01:03:23
she likes to play from the shadows and she be she
01:03:28
manipulates people you don't even know they're being
01:03:30
manipulated that. Bitch is scary.
01:03:33
She's very scary. She is scary.
01:03:35
She is scary. And I went back and.
01:03:37
They're very dangerous. I, I, I watched the last couple
01:03:40
of episodes and I listened to Lorraine said.
01:03:43
I listened to somebody else saying Laffy is the most
01:03:46
dangerous of the four second. I was like y'all have apparently
01:03:49
been misinformed because remember.
01:03:52
They don't know much, they don't.
01:03:54
They don't have many records about all the stuff that
01:03:56
happened in the past. Right, right, but I need y'all
01:04:00
to line quick 'cause that bitch is not playing when land fear
01:04:05
tux tail and runs. Yeah, Lanford wanted those.
01:04:09
Lanford didn't want none of the smoke.
01:04:10
She was like oh fuck no, like I mean out of everyone else,
01:04:15
everyone else that she like toys with like literally is like
01:04:20
whatever, I'm looking at you. It's just like someone saying
01:04:23
Beetlejuice in front of Lydia diet.
01:04:24
She was like, Nope, Nah. Because we don't know where
01:04:28
traps she has laid down for you. That's why you want to get far
01:04:33
away from her as you can. Because you remember Lanfry
01:04:36
walked right into a trap, and once he has you trapped, it
01:04:40
doesn't matter how powerful you are.
01:04:43
Yep, cause landfish when I say she turned around so quick.
01:04:49
She looked at them. She was like only one of the
01:04:52
four second can can create Gray man get ran out of the city now,
01:04:58
because she knew at that point the four second had found man.
01:05:02
Please. I was like, because let me tell
01:05:07
you, LAN, I think probably at that point he was probably like,
01:05:15
am I gonna am I about to regret this bond being back in place?
01:05:20
Because the look he gave Moraine when she came downstairs and had
01:05:25
to start healing my knee, he looked like he wanted to
01:05:30
throttle her. And I'll blame her because how
01:05:35
you just gonna sit there and calm, hearing the screams,
01:05:39
hearing what's going on and you just OK with.
01:05:45
It I, it's, it's just like we, just like we've been saying.
01:05:47
It's like Moraine. Moraine is like the Malcolm X of
01:05:51
the Wheel of Time. She gets shit done by any means
01:05:53
necessary, either by hook or by crook.
01:05:56
She will do whatever the fuck it takes to get this shit done to
01:06:01
protect the dragon, to set, make sure the wheel doesn't get
01:06:05
fucked up. She doesn't give a fuck about
01:06:07
nothing. She gets fucked about her final
01:06:08
mission. She's like, yeah, you guys are
01:06:11
gonna be this is gonna hurt, but I don't care 'cause I gotta get
01:06:14
this shit done. And it's like she doesn't care.
01:06:17
And that's why you trust nobody in this fucking show.
01:06:21
Like nobody. It's like even if even if her
01:06:23
attentions are good, like it's still like like she was like she
01:06:28
let let Leandrian like and almost got him killed by the
01:06:31
fucking Gray man just because she's trying to get she's trying
01:06:35
to separate them so that Rand so she could protect Rand.
01:06:39
And it's like, ma'am, these are other people here.
01:06:45
Like she's like, I don't give a fuck.
01:06:46
I'm protecting him. Y'all, y'all can keep yourself
01:06:50
safe. But I got the, I got him, so
01:06:53
good luck. But I guess my thing is, and,
01:06:56
and I get, I get where Moran is coming from.
01:07:00
I, I, I totally get it. But The thing is, regardless of
01:07:07
what reasoning you're doing this for, like, you know, OK, maybe
01:07:12
if we hurt them enough, or maybe, you know, maybe we give
01:07:14
them a reason to decide they can't go with him.
01:07:17
It's too dangerous. Oh, Rand, you know, they're
01:07:19
coming after you. We're not going to go.
01:07:21
Which, if she knows anything about these kids, she knows that
01:07:24
that's not going to happen. But do you really think that
01:07:27
hurting the people he loves the most is a good way to stay on
01:07:32
Rand's good side? No.
01:07:38
But she, but she. You got to figure that Rand is
01:07:40
going to figure out that she knew what was going on.
01:07:43
How are you in the house with all of that going on and you
01:07:47
just sitting there? Yeah, but see, Rand will
01:07:50
probably get mad, but then he'll see that like, OK, there's
01:07:54
something bigger going on. I'll be pissed off like you're a
01:07:56
bitch, but I still got to take care of this shit so.
01:08:00
I don't know. I, I think, I think Rand's
01:08:03
patience with Moraine is running thin.
01:08:06
I mean, even even if this episode they having a
01:08:09
conversation and he looked at Moraine, he was like, you don't
01:08:13
tell me what to do anymore. And the way she looked at him, I
01:08:17
was like, that was totally a threat, Moraine.
01:08:19
That was totally a threat. I just I.
01:08:24
Mean he is a Dragon Reborn. He, he is and, and he, and he's
01:08:29
getting, he's slowly getting to understand what that means.
01:08:32
So it's like he knows that that who he is is important.
01:08:36
He knows that he has to protect himself in order to save his
01:08:39
friends, and saving his friends is like the thing that that
01:08:42
propels him. It's like he'll do anything for
01:08:45
them. So it's like if he has to be the
01:08:47
Dragon Reborn and do all this other stuff and go on all the
01:08:49
going on all these questions, shit, fine, OK, I'll do it.
01:08:52
But I it doesn't mean that I have to like this bullshit that
01:08:56
you're doing to him, but I'm still going to handle this shit.
01:08:59
Fuck you, but let's go I. Don't know.
01:09:02
I just think Moraine is she's, she's walking a pretty thin line
01:09:06
right now. Oh yeah.
01:09:08
But that's why I like Elaine coming in and talking to Rand,
01:09:12
because, you know, Elaine is being trained to become a queen
01:09:15
and she's offering him, you know, advice on being a ruler
01:09:21
because I think she understands the the thing.
01:09:25
I don't think because I said I look at Rand as a weapon because
01:09:28
that's what even Swan says to them, that the Dragon Reborn is
01:09:33
our greatest weapon against the shadow.
01:09:35
What they fail to realize is if you really listen and pay
01:09:39
attention to the prophecies, he's not a weapon.
01:09:42
He's supposed to lead them to victory.
01:09:47
He's supposed to lead them to victory.
01:09:49
And isn't that different from what Sawan said to him?
01:09:52
Because she was like, yeah, you'll be our greatest weapon,
01:09:54
but you won't be the General. And I'm like.
01:09:56
That's true. Victory.
01:09:58
They know, but they don't trust men.
01:10:02
Channeling is so ingrained into society now that there's a thing
01:10:07
against men channeling. Something has to be done about
01:10:09
that, because until something is done about him going mad or
01:10:14
becoming insane, which we see in yeah, I know.
01:10:21
We'll talk about the Wayne going through the pillars that that
01:10:27
scares them, you know, because he's even going to break the
01:10:31
wheel or defeat the shadow. And but they know this and they
01:10:37
know that he's supposed to be their leader, but they don't
01:10:39
trust him. So he has to, he's going to have
01:10:41
to do things to get them to trust him.
01:10:45
Or yeah, I was about to give away something, but yeah, he's
01:10:50
he's got to No spoilers. No spoilers.
01:10:53
But I think the thing too that they failed to realize, like
01:10:58
they keep having it in their mind that OK, he he's a weapon.
01:11:01
He's a weapon, he's a weapon. He's a person too.
01:11:05
And I think the fact that they keep treating him like he's not
01:11:09
a person. He is only this thing that's
01:11:14
going to turn around and bite them in the ass.
01:11:16
I think because even when Swan is having her conversation with
01:11:21
Naive and with Iguana, Iguana is basically like, I'm not going
01:11:25
back to the tower. I heard what you guys tried to
01:11:27
do. You know, Rantona's what you
01:11:29
tried to do to him. And so one kind of sort of gives
01:11:32
this half ass apology. Not really.
01:11:35
But she's like, OK, yeah, there's some some things that I
01:11:38
regret doing. But this is the this is my
01:11:43
purpose, and this is what needs to happen.
01:11:46
And she basically is like, yeah, when when Rand becomes, you
01:11:50
know, the as the Dragon Reborn, eventually he's going to go mad.
01:11:54
He's going to hurt his friends and loved ones.
01:11:56
And she's trying to, you know, convince Gwen to come back to
01:11:59
the tower. She was like, you'll be thankful
01:12:02
for what the tower has taught you when that time comes and
01:12:08
someone tells her, she said, if you leave here without that
01:12:11
serpent ring, you will not be allowed to return back to the
01:12:15
White Tower. And any offer of support or any
01:12:19
offer of assistance or whatever we can provide for you and him
01:12:23
that will be gone. And then I need tries to say why
01:12:27
she doesn't need it. I have the ring.
01:12:29
It's the one look at her and say, but you don't have the
01:12:31
power to back it up. I was like, Ouch, well, but
01:12:35
true, because you can't, you can't channel Andy, Gwain says.
01:12:40
OK, you're right, we're not strong enough.
01:12:43
I'll agree to come back to the tower on one condition.
01:12:48
I have to go through the arches tonight.
01:12:51
So the next thing we see is a Gwaine getting ready to go
01:12:54
through the arches. Now we'll say this.
01:12:56
When she goes to the arches, her vision shows her as the
01:13:00
ambulance seat and Elaine and Naive our eyes to die with her.
01:13:07
Now First off, I need I need to have her hair down more often
01:13:10
because Oh my God, her locks looked amazing.
01:13:14
She looked amazing. That's very superficial, but she
01:13:17
looked good but. I think Elaine was was dressed
01:13:21
as the Queen of Andorra as well. Yeah.
01:13:25
Oh yes. Yeah, she, yeah, she had her
01:13:27
royal stuff on. So when they're in this, I don't
01:13:30
know what you want to call the vision of the reality in the
01:13:33
Arches. They see ran in the river.
01:13:36
And did you notice that when you first see him in the river, the
01:13:40
river is full of blood. And then as it starts panning up
01:13:44
towards him, you start seeing the blood dissipate.
01:13:46
But he's in the river full of blood.
01:13:49
And E Wayne asked my niece. She was like, Are you sure the
01:13:55
madness has him? And she said he killed Matt and
01:13:58
Perrin. I saw it.
01:14:00
So then she calls out for him and he turns around and he's got
01:14:02
this long hair. He's speaking in this Irish
01:14:05
accent, I guess. And it's so it's so interesting
01:14:10
because he tells her he was like, well, you got what you
01:14:12
wanted, the ambulance seat. So now you can come and do what
01:14:16
y'all should have done a long time ago.
01:14:18
But instead of saying, you know, like, you know, I guess, you
01:14:23
know, control me, cage me, whatever.
01:14:25
He says bow. And then she comes out of the
01:14:27
arches bloodied. And I was like, damn, what did
01:14:32
you do in the arches? Like did you kill him?
01:14:35
Did you? Of course they don't tell us.
01:14:39
But she gets her serpent ring and let me tell y'all, I have so
01:14:47
much respect for Gwen, 'cause she got the ring, she got ready
01:14:50
to walk out. And so I was like, where are you
01:14:52
going? She was like, I'm accepted now
01:14:55
you can't keep me here. And she said Suwan told her you
01:15:00
have a duty to this tower and to the I should die.
01:15:05
And then Gwen said this tower is tearing itself from the inside
01:15:10
out. Y'all can't do shit to help.
01:15:12
Y'all can't help me. And she walks out.
01:15:15
I said Oh my God, when I tell you that was such a boss move.
01:15:20
Trash fully boss move. Got got through the arches, got
01:15:25
your ring and because you know, that's the only way novices, I
01:15:29
mean they can leave the white towers if they are accepted.
01:15:32
She got the ring and she was like, all right, I'm out, I'm
01:15:35
going to tear. I holler.
01:15:38
Yeah. I have a question like, oh, I
01:15:40
have so much respect for you, Wayne.
01:15:42
Wayne was like, look, I told this man I would follow him and
01:15:46
I would help him. She was like, yeah, I don't keep
01:15:48
me here. Yeah, she's like, I'm out.
01:15:52
OK, so I have a question. OK, so I'm looking at him on the
01:15:54
horses. This is like, I see that, you
01:15:57
know, Wayne is in gold 'cause she's the ambulance seat.
01:16:00
Elaine's in green. OK, She's green Naja, but
01:16:04
Naneeves in silver she's. In yellow.
01:16:09
Is it, oh, her pants are yellow. OK, wait, OK.
01:16:13
But it's like, yeah, she 'cause she had silver armor on, she had
01:16:17
like a silver armor on and I'm like, like, is that silver Asha?
01:16:23
Like I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know that was like.
01:16:25
Something different. It's got yellow yellow pants.
01:16:30
OK. Oh, OK, I'm, I'm gonna go back a
01:16:35
minute because I want to ask a question.
01:16:37
So the sisters of the Isidye, do they always, I mean, I know
01:16:43
Moraine isn't because she's kind of like in disguise or whatever,
01:16:46
but do the sisters of the Isidye usually always wear the colors
01:16:50
of the the group that they belong to?
01:16:55
Yeah. OK, This is why I asked, because
01:16:58
at the beginning of the episode when all the shit was going
01:17:01
down, did you notice Naomi had on a red dress instead of brown?
01:17:06
Yeah, yeah, she was in red. Yeah, she had on a red dress.
01:17:11
As I I, I looked at it too. I was like, is she red?
01:17:14
I can't. I don't think she was red.
01:17:16
She wasn't because in the episode where we were introduced
01:17:19
to her, she was with Cho Chang. Remember they were part of the
01:17:23
brown Asha because Veron is a brown Asha but Naomi had on a
01:17:28
red dress. Interesting.
01:17:32
Yeah, so Mike's question just just reminded me about that
01:17:37
'cause I wanted to ask about that, but yeah, so a Wayne has
01:17:42
her serpent ring, so she's going to go with Ran.
01:17:46
I'm trying to think what else was there.
01:17:49
Oh, Elaine and Aviendo. I ship it, I ship it.
01:17:54
I ship it, I ship it. I love them together.
01:17:58
They're fucking awesome. I love them before we.
01:18:01
Get there Before we get there. Can we talk about Elaine?
01:18:07
Elaine and Rand's conversation again, real quick.
01:18:10
Yes, because I will say this, I wasn't too sure about Elaine
01:18:17
when she first came onto the scene.
01:18:21
I absolutely love her now because I I feel like she's
01:18:24
going to be kind of I feel like she's going to be that bridge
01:18:29
for Rand as far as the old life, the new life.
01:18:32
And then also shut up, Anthony. I don't want to.
01:18:34
I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear.
01:18:35
I don't want to hear it. I see a smile on your face.
01:18:38
But I like the fact that you brought something up earlier
01:18:40
about the fact that, you know, she's been trained to be a
01:18:44
queen. So she knows the politics, she
01:18:47
knows the diplomacy, she knows how to how to read people on how
01:18:52
to engage with them. And you see that she does that
01:18:56
with not only Rand, but also Avienda as far as talking to
01:18:59
them about each other. Because it's clear from this
01:19:01
episode, Avienda can't stand Rand.
01:19:04
She doesn't. Like, but she but Elaine raids
01:19:06
up a good point. He's like, she doesn't want me
01:19:09
to be the car car. He's like, yeah, but she's still
01:19:12
here. You know, she's it seems like
01:19:16
she still is going to take you where you're supposed to go,
01:19:19
right. And she also said, you know, if
01:19:23
you can get the IU to follow you, if you can convince them,
01:19:28
they will follow you to the end, the ends.
01:19:30
Of the Earth. Yeah, right.
01:19:32
So she's the one that basically convinces him he needs to go to
01:19:36
the IU and not to tear. Right, right.
01:19:42
Yes, this conversation is bad ass man.
01:19:45
You learn a lot about how smart Elaine is and this eventually
01:19:50
has a conversation with Ibn the later, which again shows how she
01:19:54
how good. See, when we talk about the The
01:19:57
great game Elaine, one of the characters we're really missing
01:20:02
is Tom Maryland from way back in the first season.
01:20:07
The Gleaman right the. Gleaman, he's really good at the
01:20:10
game and he's part of the reason why she's good at the game.
01:20:16
And she's really good at playing, at learning and
01:20:19
understanding how the game of houses works.
01:20:24
So this is just the sort of like a peek into how her mind works,
01:20:30
you know, like she's already sending a letter to a noble
01:20:33
woman that her mother knows in Tear that if she can get him on,
01:20:37
get her on his side, he won't have to conquer the city, right.
01:20:40
She'll he'll just have her support, you know, go get the
01:20:43
IO, you'll have an army. Then you go to Tear.
01:20:46
You can add Tear to it. See, she's right.
01:20:49
She's showing. Yeah.
01:20:51
Calendar. She's showing him the political
01:20:54
side of it, which is something that as the story develops like
01:20:58
it is in the book, that becomes very important thing to do.
01:21:03
Also, they did something in here.
01:21:06
They showed her seeing these two letters off when the book, the
01:21:12
letters were sent differently to two different people.
01:21:16
She sent one letter to Rand where she was talking about, you
01:21:21
know, when she becomes the queen she would have his support and
01:21:26
blah blah blah. But the the letter kind of
01:21:29
pisses him off because it it messes up his understanding of
01:21:32
their relationship. And the other letter she sends
01:21:35
to E Gwen, and I can't tell you too much about that letter, but
01:21:42
that letter also helps solidify her becoming or yeah, her
01:21:47
becoming the queen of Andor and basically saying that you have
01:21:51
my support if I have your support.
01:21:54
So that was sort of I, I have a feeling they did that because
01:21:58
either the story is going to change a little bit, which that
01:22:02
looks like what is going to happen, especially her
01:22:07
relationship with Rand, because now she has a relationship with
01:22:12
Ivanda. But anyway, now we can talk
01:22:15
about the relationship without being in there.
01:22:16
Tell you what you might. I I'm with.
01:22:19
No, I'm with Mike. I, I ship it.
01:22:22
I have. Hardship.
01:22:24
I mean, it's like the way they are around each other.
01:22:27
I love this casting of them too because it seems natural how
01:22:32
they're like around each other and just kind of like playfully
01:22:35
flirting with each other and just kind of just just doing
01:22:38
doing like a whole circle of like courting almost.
01:22:41
And I'm looking, I'm like, I believe it.
01:22:44
I'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm in. You only gotta say shit else.
01:22:47
And they look so cute together, like the little red haired
01:22:50
cells. Are you like this?
01:22:52
Yeah. What was it that she told
01:22:54
Elaine? She said, because Elaine was
01:22:57
telling her that she was going to make some more of her, some
01:23:01
more of her alcohol. And she was like, OK, it's not
01:23:03
like, I guess whatever that I yell drink is, I can't think of
01:23:08
the name of it right now, but she said, but you know, it'll
01:23:10
do. And then she turns around and
01:23:12
she does a gesture in their sign language.
01:23:16
And she was like, OK, now she was like, you already got the
01:23:19
red hair. Somebody's going to mistake you
01:23:21
for being I yell. And I was like, are they saying
01:23:23
that just to say that or are they telling us something else?
01:23:27
But you know, I, I, I'm going to assume that Elaine is not ideal
01:23:33
in in disguise or she's not, you know, there's not a situation
01:23:37
where she was born to the IO and taken away because that would be
01:23:41
too much like Rand's story. So I was like, OK, that's cute.
01:23:45
But yeah, I like them together. They're cute.
01:23:46
And of course, they missed all of the the drama with the.
01:23:51
Great man and everything. They were hanging out on the
01:23:53
roof, but also I was kind of like, OK, y'all didn't hear
01:23:57
anything going on. They were.
01:24:00
Hearing other stuff. OK but I'm just saying
01:24:04
personally I could be doing other stuff.
01:24:07
If I hear sounds that sound like my friends are being killed,
01:24:12
other stuff might have to wait because it's not.
01:24:16
Those noises were not subtle. Those people, they were all
01:24:20
being attacked and killed or trying to be killed.
01:24:23
We didn't talk about Matt being being and CI.
01:24:29
The IEO game. I don't want to play games with
01:24:30
them. I I'm good.
01:24:32
Y'all can y'all can. I was I was like, oh, I I like
01:24:34
how loyale I was like, oh, I'll get my Quillin Quillin notebook.
01:24:38
I'm like and like you don't. Need that.
01:24:40
I like how Chad was like you can join in this game too.
01:24:43
Loyale was looking like and Pair was looking like.
01:24:46
Oh, they were inviting Loyale to the game too.
01:24:51
The way I'm smarter than that, yeah, I was like.
01:24:54
I would say this too, going back to what Mike just said about the
01:24:57
casting for Avienda and Elaine and how it seems like they fit.
01:25:02
I will say this also, you know, a lot of times when they recast
01:25:06
roles, it can be difficult, especially when you've already
01:25:09
established a story, because it just seems kind of out of place.
01:25:13
I will say this, the actor who is playing Matt, especially now
01:25:16
that I've seen him interact with the rest of the the two rivers
01:25:20
fell. I like this one better.
01:25:21
I'm I'm sorry, he it seems to flow more naturally with him,
01:25:27
like, you know, after the attack and everything, when when they
01:25:35
get to the point where they decide they're going their
01:25:37
separate ways and I need has decided that she's going to stay
01:25:40
in the tower because she does need to train.
01:25:42
She needs to figure out what's going on with her, her
01:25:44
channeling and Matt is like, I'm going to stay here with Nye.
01:25:48
Him saying it like that, like we don't usually hear anyone just
01:25:52
call her Nye, but it's very personal and it flows so
01:25:56
naturally. And I was like, it almost feels
01:25:58
like he's always been a part of this group, even though this is
01:26:02
the first time we've seen him interact with all of them.
01:26:06
You know, in in such a way because even in the last
01:26:09
episode, the season finale for season 2, he didn't really
01:26:14
exchange words with E Gwen in 90.
01:26:17
They they just shared that little scene at the end when
01:26:20
they were on the tower. But yeah, the casting for this
01:26:25
show, they they've done a great job with that.
01:26:28
But going back to the game, yeah, Matt, you need to find a
01:26:34
different, I don't know, a different way to pick up girls.
01:26:39
Yeah, I was like, he just goes with the.
01:26:41
Flow. He just goes with the flow.
01:26:43
You see, you see him later with late and his next all scarred
01:26:46
up. I'm like, oh, you almost lost
01:26:48
play. Right.
01:26:49
And I need was like, what's that about?
01:26:51
He was like a gentleman never tells.
01:26:54
And then which one was it? Was it Bane that kind of winked
01:26:57
at him when they were leaving at the end?
01:27:00
I was like, oh, wait a minute, Matt, you might do have a chance
01:27:04
with one of them IEO girls, as you say.
01:27:07
But yeah, so anyway, after they get attacked, they have a
01:27:13
conversation the following morning and Ran is like, look,
01:27:15
the Forsaken are not going to, they're not going to stop coming
01:27:19
for me, so I have to leave. And then 90 says she's going to
01:27:23
stay at the tower. Matt said he's going to stay
01:27:24
with her. And then Ran kind of looks at
01:27:28
Parent and he says, you're going home because when they had the
01:27:31
conversation earlier when they were drinking, Parent kind of
01:27:34
made it seem like he wasn't going to go with them.
01:27:36
And so he said, you're going home.
01:27:38
And Perry was like, I'm sorry, but.
01:27:40
And Ran was like, Nope, this is not your path.
01:27:42
This is mine. You know, So it's like he he
01:27:45
really doesn't have. He doesn't seem bitter about the
01:27:49
fact that they're all not going with him because he knows how
01:27:52
dangerous it is. And I mean, I guess Landfill and
01:27:54
Moraine got what they wanted. But he turns to iguanas.
01:27:59
Well, and he was like, yeah, you go to the tower too.
01:28:01
She was like, no, I told you I'm with you.
01:28:03
And he was like, they're not going to stop coming for me.
01:28:05
And she was like, let them try. OK, so you got one powerful ally
01:28:10
going with you. But, and then of course, Ben and
01:28:15
Shihad are going with Parent and loyal back to the Two Rivers
01:28:20
because parent, I mean loyal. Save them.
01:28:24
One of them from the the magical Yep, 9 even land have a very
01:28:30
sweet couple of scenes in this episode.
01:28:34
You know, there's the one episode where she's telling him
01:28:37
about what she went through in the arches, because at this
01:28:40
point E Gwen is going through the arches and he's like, you
01:28:43
know, E Gwen has survived worse stuff than The Archers can throw
01:28:48
at her. And my name is like, it's not
01:28:52
just that stuff is it's the memories that it leaves you
01:28:56
with, you know, the things of, you know, the thoughts of what
01:29:00
could have been. And I love he just kind of
01:29:02
kneeled down to her. He just looked at her and he was
01:29:04
like, were we happy there? It's like she didn't even have
01:29:06
to say it. And he was just like, were we
01:29:07
happy there? You don't have to lie to me.
01:29:10
And she was just like, yes, but also no, because what did she
01:29:14
say? She said we were happy, but we
01:29:17
also weren't doing what we want to do.
01:29:22
And I was like, So what is that? Because at this point, I don't
01:29:27
know what my need wants to do. She does well, I guess she
01:29:30
doesn't want to be iced to die. So she says So what does she
01:29:35
just want to go back to being a wisdom?
01:29:36
Because technically speaking, she probably was that in in the
01:29:40
arches when she was living there for for so long.
01:29:44
But I guess that might be that might just be some subtext for
01:29:47
us for later. But then they also have the same
01:29:52
where he's showing her his mouth carry blade.
01:29:56
And this is the sword that Moraine tells him to go get
01:30:01
because she was like, yeah, OK, so we'll do what Lanfear wants
01:30:05
just this once, because she wants the same thing we want.
01:30:08
But if she double crosses us, if she betrays us, we'll kill her.
01:30:12
And apparently his mouth carry blade is, is it made by the one
01:30:16
power? Is that what he was saying or
01:30:19
it's forged by the one power just like Rans blade?
01:30:22
It was forged with the one power.
01:30:24
OK, so it. Can kill.
01:30:29
I'm I guess because there are weapons that are that were
01:30:36
forged with the one power. I don't know.
01:30:39
They weren't made specifically to kill Forsaken, if that makes
01:30:43
sense. Is calendar made for that
01:30:45
specific person purpose? Calendar.
01:30:49
Calendar is a terangrial. Oh, OK.
01:30:53
It is a sword that is not. Oh, no, no, Iguan said.
01:30:56
It was a. Sangrial Sangrial made
01:31:00
specifically for men. OK, OK.
01:31:05
Does that somebody do a blood? You you kind of not necessarily
01:31:13
OK, but if the if blood is the one power, I I understand where
01:31:19
you're getting that from because of the root.
01:31:20
Where where where Jordan got it from.
01:31:23
Sangreal. Yeah, Sangreal, the Sangreal,
01:31:27
Terangreal and angreal. Yeah.
01:31:30
And so it has to do with Earth, Yeah.
01:31:32
Yeah, and the the Sangreal use the one power like you, they
01:31:41
they can help you enhance your one power power.
01:31:45
OK, OK. So the calendar will make him
01:31:49
even stronger. That's why Lanfield was telling
01:31:53
her, you know, when the Forsaken come after him, he's going to
01:31:56
need something to help him. And that would be calendar.
01:32:01
And there are Tehran Grieol like things that have a use, and
01:32:08
they're wrought with the One Power.
01:32:10
Like everything that was in the 13th repository in the in the
01:32:13
white tower. Well, I don't know, because I
01:32:16
think that statue of the woman was a Tehran Grau.
01:32:20
I mean, a song, Grau. Yeah, they said it was that they
01:32:23
were both in that repository, but yeah, OK.
01:32:27
Yeah. So, yeah.
01:32:30
So, yeah. So the calendar, he's in the
01:32:34
calendar and some other stuff. But yeah, I forgot what we were
01:32:37
talking about. But he's not going to go get
01:32:39
calendar because he's decided to go to the IO waste instead to
01:32:44
get his army. Yeah, it's interesting.
01:32:46
So now everyone's going in their separate ways.
01:32:49
Earlier, when he was having the conversation with Lorraine, he
01:32:53
she's like, where you going to go?
01:32:54
He's like, I'm going to go home. She's like, you can't go home.
01:32:57
I mean, what are you going to do there like?
01:33:03
I don't think he was saying that he actually that that's what he
01:33:07
would do. I think she, she said.
01:33:08
Where do you want to go? Where do you want to go?
01:33:10
I want to go home but I think when.
01:33:13
You can't. Go home you.
01:33:14
Can't go back home, Yeah. Because he's he's moving for
01:33:18
him. Well, he's also moving towards.
01:33:20
He's got a bigger thing to do. Purpose, yeah.
01:33:23
Yeah, he has. He has a bigger purpose and
01:33:25
that's what she was trying to explain to him.
01:33:27
Like dude, it's not going to matter unless you defeat the
01:33:31
shadow. Yeah, what did she tell me?
01:33:33
She said. You're not a child anymore,
01:33:35
You're the Dragon Reborn. You're the Dragon Reborn.
01:33:36
She even say, man, you're the Dragon Reborn.
01:33:38
Yeah. Now, Karen.
01:33:41
OK, so in the books, Karen hears rumors that the white folks are
01:33:47
occupying the Two Rivers looking for a man with golden eyes.
01:33:51
Which he has. But yeah, but, and that's why he
01:33:55
in the book, that's why he's going back here.
01:33:58
They just is. They make it seem like he's just
01:34:00
going home because he wants to go home.
01:34:03
OK. So are they looking for him or
01:34:04
are they looking for what's his name?
01:34:08
Oh, you know, they're looking for him.
01:34:10
If they're in the two rivers, they're looking for him.
01:34:12
They're looking for, they're looking for a man with golden
01:34:14
eyes and the two rivers. And what does Dan Borr hold
01:34:18
though? That's what he.
01:34:20
Calls two rivers, and he calls them two rivers.
01:34:23
And he killed his father. And he killed his father.
01:34:26
So yeah. Which I don't understand why
01:34:29
they just didn't didn't do that and say that's why he was
01:34:32
leaving because it fits it. It's the one thing from the book
01:34:36
that actually they can they can fit into the episode that he
01:34:40
hears that the white cloaks are there looking for him mate.
01:34:47
He's he's getting like mystical. Somebody said you were looking
01:34:49
for me. Here I go.
01:34:52
Maybe. They did, maybe they didn't
01:34:55
mention it in the episode because the white cloaks are
01:34:58
also a trigger for E Gwaine. And it would.
01:35:02
It would. She would be like, I got to go
01:35:04
too. Yeah, so maybe that's why they
01:35:07
didn't mention it in the show, because she'd be like, Oh yeah,
01:35:09
I still owe child of all the ass whooping.
01:35:12
So yeah, maybe that's why. Oh no, as far as she know that
01:35:16
dude did she put a knife in his neck?
01:35:19
No, she saw him. She saw him.
01:35:20
That's right. She did saw him.
01:35:23
That's right. So.
01:35:24
That's why. That's why she unleashed on him
01:35:26
and didn't care who else he wants to.
01:35:27
Kill. That's right.
01:35:28
That's right. That's that's all she saw.
01:35:33
So yeah, that's probably the reason why they didn't mention
01:35:36
it. Yeah, but OK, so but but.
01:35:45
It's interesting, but you know, I do also like that they did.
01:35:51
Never mind. Go ahead.
01:35:53
What? Nothing.
01:35:54
Go ahead. What were you?
01:35:56
Going to say no, I was going to say something that's about Matt
01:35:59
and about Rand and Elaine. I'm gonna let it go.
01:36:03
What? Because remember that last the
01:36:05
the last episode of last season, he looked at up at her and she
01:36:08
had the key light on them. He was like, oh, who are you?
01:36:12
Yeah, I'm Elaine. And then here she is giving him
01:36:17
political advice. Yeah, and and screw in Avian do.
01:36:23
It's interesting. OK, I'm just saying, well, I
01:36:29
mean, she has thing for, I mean redheads, everything for
01:36:32
redheads. I don't know.
01:36:33
No, it's red on red love. You know what?
01:36:41
There was something else I was gonna ask about and I can't
01:36:44
think of it now. Oh wait, wait, I don't.
01:36:48
You just hit me. You said Rand has a theme for
01:36:49
redheads. Did you say that, Mike?
01:36:54
Did you say that, Mike? I said it's round red love like
01:36:57
8 like Evelyn and. Elaine, why do you keep calling
01:37:02
her I? Don't know, I have no idea I.
01:37:05
Swear you, I swear you say Rand has a theme for redheads.
01:37:09
I swear you said that. I'm not sitting.
01:37:13
That's where you said that. I think I did say that.
01:37:16
They might be. They might be pretty accurate.
01:37:21
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Gwen is not a redhead.
01:37:23
Say shit, I know she's. She's not.
01:37:27
You're right about that. She's not.
01:37:30
OK. Oh, OK.
01:37:35
One thing I do want to mention that that wound that Rand has,
01:37:43
that thing looks so gross. I know I said this in the last
01:37:45
episode when Elaine was healing him.
01:37:47
That thing looks even more disgusting now.
01:37:50
It looks like somebody took AI don't know, like a chocolate
01:37:56
Blizzard and kind of swirled it and just stuck it on his
01:37:59
stomach. It looks so disgusting.
01:38:01
You know, in the book it never really goes away.
01:38:05
Yeah, I would. I would assume not, because that
01:38:08
was a cursed dagger. Yeah, it.
01:38:10
Never goes away. Yeah, but I don't want to have
01:38:13
to look at it like all the time. So I I don't.
01:38:17
Imagine like festers and smells and all that good stuff.
01:38:22
Gross. So no, I I don't know if him and
01:38:27
if him and Iguana are going to get it on, he just might need to
01:38:29
keep it, you know, covered. Keep a shirt on, Do something.
01:38:32
That thing looks gross. It makes my skin crawl.
01:38:37
It's just so disgusting. Yeah, but let's see, did we miss
01:38:43
anything 'cause I know what everyone.
01:38:45
We gotta talk. We gotta talk about her creating
01:38:48
the little Gray man. Oh yes, let's talk about this
01:38:53
crazy. Oh that that she gave me the
01:38:56
creeps. Like my skin was literally
01:38:58
crawling while she was talking. I was like, oh, Oh no, I already
01:39:02
don't like spiders. First of all, I I I have an
01:39:05
innate ear of spiders and to see her do put them in the I was
01:39:09
like no man, no, no, no, like no I was.
01:39:13
Like. Now, who is this guy?
01:39:18
Is this is not somebody we've met before?
01:39:20
Is it because she had them kind of hanging?
01:39:22
And he kept saying I, I, I did what he asked me.
01:39:25
I did with the dark, with the dark one asked me and I don't
01:39:30
know if he did something wrong or however he got into her
01:39:35
sights but. I don't remember, but he's he's
01:39:40
a white cloak. He's wearing white cloak stuff
01:39:42
so. OK, that's what I was trying to
01:39:43
figure out but because it was so dark I couldn't tell what color
01:39:47
his clothes were. But I kept hearing her say his
01:39:50
name Jai Chim. Jai Chim And I was like, why do
01:39:52
I feel like I've heard that name before, but I couldn't figure it
01:39:56
out. So, OK, he's a white cloak.
01:40:01
So I wonder what it was that he was supposed to do in order, you
01:40:07
know, And I guess whatever he was supposed to do, he did it.
01:40:10
Or whatever he was supposed to do, he didn't do it.
01:40:13
Somehow he got into her clutches and she's sitting, she's talking
01:40:19
to him and. Just her manner of speech gets
01:40:22
like, the more her voice kind of goes down, her speech gets more
01:40:27
and more creepy. And then she keeps asking him if
01:40:31
he wants to be a Gray man. He's like, no, no, no.
01:40:34
And it looks like she's causing him more pain, like coercing him
01:40:38
to say yes. So when he finally says yes, oh,
01:40:41
no, what? What was she doing?
01:40:42
She was freezing his blood. That's what it was.
01:40:45
So every time he would tell her no, she would freeze his blood
01:40:49
some more. And then when he finally says
01:40:51
yes, she does this thing where she, I, I don't know what
01:40:58
exactly she's doing, but from the way it looks from the back,
01:41:01
it almost looks like his soul is leaving his body in wisps of
01:41:05
smoke. It is.
01:41:08
OK, that's what it looks like. Yeah, you you have to
01:41:12
voluntarily give your soul to the Dark One in order to become
01:41:16
a Green Man. OK, kind of like.
01:41:18
While she couldn't make him a Green Man, she had to make him
01:41:23
give up his soul. OK, she kind of like she.
01:41:26
Had to voluntarily give it up. So technically she didn't make
01:41:30
him, but we know if we're going to argue contracts.
01:41:33
She did make him. She kind of like with
01:41:35
Supernatural, you have to agree for an Angel or a demon to allow
01:41:40
you to be their vessel before they can actually just kind of.
01:41:43
Step in or just you like, you have to invite a vampire inside.
01:41:46
They can't just walk inside. Yeah.
01:41:48
Yeah, but then. What she does with him, what she
01:41:51
does that she turns him into, I guess.
01:41:53
I guess he's a Gray man now and she tells him she needs him to
01:41:57
find someone, but she does so by sticking her fingers in his
01:42:01
mouth and she has this very it's very creepy.
01:42:08
Like I I just seeing that character with something akin to
01:42:15
a sexual response. It's creepy.
01:42:18
It's so creepy because she no no some of that.
01:42:25
I can't even get my thoughts out.
01:42:27
This bitch is creepy. She scares me.
01:42:31
She's great. She scares me.
01:42:33
She's like I, I was just. Watching it while she scares me.
01:42:37
What you say, Mike? I was watching it while we were
01:42:40
talking about it. I'm like, oh God, no, no.
01:42:43
Like the just the part where when you are, when you were
01:42:45
talking about her sticking her fingers in his mouth, she was
01:42:47
doing it. Did she kind of look?
01:42:49
She was like, no, I was like, no.
01:42:51
Yeah, I was almost expecting her to put put her fingers in her
01:42:55
own mouth and then they cut out. I was like, please don't do this
01:42:58
to us. I don't need that image being
01:42:59
the last I have of this episode. I think they wanted to and they
01:43:04
just, they just like, yeah, they might be bridge too.
01:43:07
Far, Yeah. They left it to our imagination.
01:43:10
But you know, she's wearing, she's wearing a age of legends.
01:43:14
I said Irene, like the others were, if you know this.
01:43:18
Is I I don't know what. What is the difference between
01:43:21
the Age of Legends? It's just a band over 2 fingers.
01:43:26
Oh, OK. If kids, if you go back and
01:43:28
watch, you'll see that if Shamil is wearing one even in like that
01:43:37
when loose Theron was was sealing him away.
01:43:41
Yes, he was playing with his on his finger.
01:43:44
Yeah. OK, so that's the different from
01:43:48
what the acid I wear now 'cause the acid I brings a very
01:43:51
distinct Yeah, OK, yeah, this episode had a lot.
01:43:58
Yeah, but I'm, I'm sorry, those first 11 minutes though, or that
01:44:01
first, the part all the way up until the the opening credits,
01:44:07
man, when I said that was so intense.
01:44:09
I really thought Leandra was going to get what was coming to
01:44:11
her. I'm like y'all, y'all, She, she
01:44:15
almost had the life sucked out of her by so on.
01:44:18
And then she had not one but two sores go straight through her
01:44:22
chest. I really thought she was getting
01:44:27
it, but I guess not. It just seems so handy that she
01:44:31
always had a yellow eyes to die sister with her when she was
01:44:34
near death. That was too convenient.
01:44:39
I'm just. Well they they can all heal.
01:44:41
Some are just better than others.
01:44:42
I know, but I'm just saying it's just a little too convenient.
01:44:46
I want her dead anyway. Did we skip anything?
01:44:52
No, I think we covered everything.
01:44:54
OK, Mike, you got some shout outs.
01:44:57
Yeah, shout out again to Elaine like because at first I was
01:45:02
like, and I I blame this on me, me watching me and haven't seen
01:45:07
wicked recently after it. I was like, this is fucking
01:45:09
Galinda. This is not I I I retract my I
01:45:15
retract that statement. She's not Galinda I she's she's
01:45:18
quickly becoming one of my one of my favorite characters just
01:45:21
because like her channeling is is fucking awesome.
01:45:25
She's smart, like she's way smarter than they presented her
01:45:28
when they first introduced her last season.
01:45:31
You just thought she was some stuck up Princess.
01:45:32
You like I whatever we trying to do all this, but it's like she's
01:45:35
proven herself to be an extremely valuable member of
01:45:39
this party. I love the quote when she said
01:45:42
any decision which helps some will hurt others.
01:45:45
And I was like, she's spitting. I'm like, I like damn.
01:45:50
I mean she I really love her character.
01:45:53
Shout out to to Len fierce zebra zebra ass cloak that she wore
01:45:58
through the city so nobody would be scared.
01:46:00
We'd be scared. That said, oh God, that's that's
01:46:02
the bitch that's trying to burn us.
01:46:03
Get out. Boom no.
01:46:05
Did you see the looks they were giving her?
01:46:06
They were like OK, she clearly does not belong here.
01:46:10
No, like she was not being subtle at all.
01:46:12
She walked through here like she owned the place.
01:46:14
Yes, she did. And they were all looking at her
01:46:16
like, yeah, let's go this way. Yeah, no doubt.
01:46:22
And I love how as soon as they saw her, they're like oh fuck.
01:46:25
They just like Lorraine put her cloak on it and turn to leave
01:46:28
and she was right there like hey right, looks like.
01:46:32
I want you going. I just want to talk.
01:46:35
I just got here. Hold on.
01:46:38
Yeah, I love how they predicted Matt playing the game with IO.
01:46:43
Like Ran said, you're going to get speared, you know, he's and
01:46:47
let Matt says, oh, I certainly hope so.
01:46:50
I tell you I love them. I love them acting like just
01:46:54
regular carefree, horny teenage guys or young adult guys because
01:47:00
we we don't get to see that from them.
01:47:03
They don't get to let their hair down, so to speak, because
01:47:06
they've been dealing with all this stuff.
01:47:08
So it was nice to see them kind of sit there and talk.
01:47:11
And then you get the same with Nanny B, Gwain and Elaine.
01:47:14
This is the first time that we've seen the three ladies kind
01:47:16
of really bonding. And you can tell that they've
01:47:20
become close ever since Foam because of the way that they
01:47:23
kind of interact with each other.
01:47:25
And even when Avienda says to Elaine, she was like, So what is
01:47:30
the tower like? And she said without E Gwaine
01:47:32
and Naev lonely because she knows that that's what she's
01:47:35
about to deal with because Elaine is staying behind so that
01:47:38
she can complete her novice training while everybody else is
01:47:41
going to wherever. But thankfully now she will have
01:47:45
Naev there with her at least. So, you know, and Matt, yeah.
01:47:49
But Matt is not really I guess like Matt is friend adjacent for
01:47:56
her but. Naeem is the.
01:47:58
You know, that's, that's the important part for her.
01:48:01
But hopefully she can help Naeem figure out what's going on with
01:48:06
her, her powers. So yeah.
01:48:10
I'm fine tonight. I I want to, I want to make be
01:48:12
friends with an IU and just like set up me saving their life so
01:48:16
that they can be dedicated to me and like walk around and protect
01:48:19
me all. That is such a selfish.
01:48:23
It is. You're right.
01:48:24
You're damn right it is. I want a ginger who's good with
01:48:26
the spirit to follow me everywhere.
01:48:28
What's wrong with that? Yeah, what's wrong Bane and she
01:48:31
had have to stay with. Loyal.
01:48:33
Yeah, she's like, I'll go with her.
01:48:35
Yeah, yeah. She was like, I go wherever she
01:48:36
goes. Yeah, I love this quartet.
01:48:39
I want to show about them. That's why I want to see.
01:48:42
That's good. That would be a great fucking
01:48:44
show. I would love to love to watch
01:48:46
that. And also I'll I'm I'm really
01:48:49
interested to see how Brandon Ivienda this quest goes like I'm
01:48:55
I am so interested in how they don't like each other, but she
01:49:01
she still is honoring her toe and it's like he he, he him with
01:49:07
his red hair will will kind of blend in.
01:49:09
I have a question. Are the IEO all female or is?
01:49:11
Or is it like a race of like is? Is that that just like a race of
01:49:15
people? It's just the race of redheaded
01:49:17
people, right? Race of redheaded people, they
01:49:21
just, I mean. I I'm not I don't know how to I
01:49:25
didn't know how how to put it. It's like, are they just women
01:49:27
like Amazons or is it like, or are there men and women?
01:49:30
I ill. They there have to be men I ill
01:49:33
because how would they reproduce?
01:49:37
I'm look how how how are the Amazons with it?
01:49:41
How would Amazon produce? What do you what do you have
01:49:44
question? This is this is fiction.
01:49:45
You know how how shit happens? There, there is society, that is
01:49:50
society and you know they have the rules.
01:49:55
I can tell you this. That being, she added by the
01:49:58
end, there are maidens of the spear.
01:50:00
That's a particular title amongst IO.
01:50:05
OK, that means that I got you. I'm wondering, I'm wondering
01:50:09
when they find, when they find, when they get, when they find
01:50:12
other IO. And it's like, is Mac is brand
01:50:15
going to stick out like a sore thumb?
01:50:17
I mean, he already sticks out like a fucking sore thumb
01:50:19
anyway. I'm like, is he going to stick
01:50:21
out even more because he's going to be the only guy there?
01:50:23
No, I think he's going to stick out because he's the only IO
01:50:27
that wasn't raised in the IO way.
01:50:29
So I think that's what's going to make him stick out and that's
01:50:31
one of the reasons why Avienda doesn't take to him.
01:50:34
Gotcha. Yeah, yeah.
01:50:36
Yeah, yeah, 'cause his mom, his mom was IO.
01:50:38
OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:39
No his mom's. No, the man.
01:50:43
His mom wasn't IOI. Don't know if we we don't know
01:50:45
that, do we? We saw her, yeah.
01:50:48
She fought in the IO War. Yeah.
01:50:51
Yeah, why? What were?
01:50:53
OK? You know what, never mind 'cause
01:50:54
that might be a spoiler territory.
01:50:56
Do y'all have any final thoughts on this episode?
01:51:01
Best episode of the series by far and and I, and I've already
01:51:07
told you guys, they only get better.
01:51:10
Yeah, you did say that. Yeah, Veron's Veron's heartbreak
01:51:16
over Naomi betraying her was heart wrenching.
01:51:19
Like when she when she was talking to Moraine, I was just
01:51:22
like, did you? Know about her Naomi?
01:51:25
Naomi didn't hit her quite as hard as she hit Adelais.
01:51:29
No, I think what happened was she she was trying to hit Varon
01:51:33
and I think Varon blocked it and it ended up going over to
01:51:37
bouncing over to Adelais. I don't think Adelais was her
01:51:40
original target. I thought they.
01:51:42
Both I. I thought they both had.
01:51:44
She had, yeah, she had to. Both of them.
01:51:47
I thought she was aiming towards Baron and Baron I think she like
01:51:51
put her hands up and I think that kind of, I think 'cause she
01:51:55
was trying to block it and I think it ended up re reverbing
01:51:59
or bouncing over to Adelais. I don't think that was
01:52:02
intentional. Intentional.
01:52:05
So you got me rewinding. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
01:52:10
Think you'll see like right there that scene like once you
01:52:13
freeze frame it and like increase the picture.
01:52:15
Ain't freeze. Ain't freeze framing nothing.
01:52:18
What? Do you get?
01:52:20
Yeah, yeah. But it's like you see her put
01:52:21
her hand up. The direction of the of the, the
01:52:25
the what you call it the weaves. Yeah, no, she she served to both
01:52:31
of them. She seemed to both of them.
01:52:32
Yeah, OK, OK. And very and very blocked it
01:52:36
partially. Yeah, OK, 'cause.
01:52:39
They both still got knocked out. Yeah, they did.
01:52:42
But the fact that Adelaide can't even remember her sister, that
01:52:45
that was pain. Yeah, it's almost like a a weird
01:52:49
form of compulsion. Yeah, OK.
01:52:55
Yeah, I can't wait to watch the second episode to see where this
01:52:58
goes. Yeah, I just, I hate that they
01:53:01
are all splitting up again, but. You know they're going to get
01:53:05
back together though, don't you? Don't even have even started.
01:53:07
But it's probably going to be at the end of next season, kind of
01:53:10
like it was with with the first two seasons, Like we didn't see
01:53:14
them together again until the end of the second season.
01:53:17
I hope it's not that long. But I also understand why
01:53:20
they're having to do it because I do believe that all of them
01:53:24
together would be a distraction towards Rand.
01:53:27
I do agree with Laffer in that sense that they are they're kind
01:53:32
of hindering his growth and to who he needs to become.
01:53:36
But I also think that as much as I do believe that, I also feel
01:53:42
like he's going to need them. If there's any chance of
01:53:47
stopping him from going mad, from going to the dark, I I
01:53:52
think it's going to be with those five that's going to keep
01:53:56
him from doing that 'cause I don't think it'll be more rain.
01:53:58
I don't think it'll be land. Yeah, if this, if this tracks
01:54:10
the way it's supposed to track, they won't be together again.
01:54:17
So don't get your hopes out, Yeah.
01:54:20
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