#thewheeloftime All roads have led to Falme. Nynaeve and Elayne attempt to rescue Egwene. Mat is tempted by an old friend. The Children of the Light invade the Seanchan and the Battle of Falme begins. Perrin's fight leads to the loss of a friend. Moiraine and Lan make amends. Ishamael moves to Plan B when he realizes he's been betrayed. Egwene makes good on a promise. Rand confronts his past. Ishamael gets what he has always wanted. "Above the Watchers shall the Dragon be proclaimed, bannered cross the sky in fire."
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are at the season 2 finale of The
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Wheel of Time. Woo.
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Now we can move on to season 3 and Anthony can stop bugging us
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because it's good. But let's talk about the season
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2 finale because I have things to say.
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OK, before we. Get started.
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I got it. Hi guys, my name is Mike.
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I am now the charter member of the Mac Coughlin fan club.
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I will no no longer be saying anything else bad about him.
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That mother fucker is a badass and I'm glad we're here.
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And I also strictly for Hanukkah.
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I am brands OK with me now I'm I'm on the train now.
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It's fine, fine. You got he got me, OK?
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He got me fine. You know, Mike, I'm, I'm glad
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you're, you're on the mad bandwagon.
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You know, like I said, the fandom for the most part bounces
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between Naneeve and Matt for favorite characters.
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But someone reminded me recently that in at first, like the first
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handful of books, Matt and Naneeve are like the most hated
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characters. Oh, OK, so they they, they grow
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to that point. Yes, they actually they actually
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get to the point of being the beloved Prince of Ravens and Nan
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Eve of the Green Aza. Well, he's, well, he definitely.
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Still Aza. For it to happen here so.
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Yeah. Let me tell you, today was the
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maybe 4th or 5th time I've watched this episode.
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At every single time when it gets to Matt's moment, I am like
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ugly crying at the screen. I'm like, I already know what's
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about to happen. I've seen this before.
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Why am I still so emotional? And it's because it was so
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fucking overdue for Matt and I'm so glad he had his moment.
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But we're going to get to that part because that's all the way
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down towards the bottom. Let's, let's bring it back and
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rewind to the beginning because Anthony, I need you to explain
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this opening scene for us with Luz and Ishmael and the rest of
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the Chosen and them putting him in the the prison 'cause I think
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I kind of sort of understand what's going on.
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Like, obviously at this point, Luz is the dragon.
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He has, I guess, apparently turned most of his people, most
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of his friends, including Landfair and Ishmael, to the
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dark. And instead of killing Ishmael,
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he's going to leave him in this prison in a semi conscious state
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for thousands of years because he knows this man wants to die.
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He's just like, yeah, I'm just going to be a little asshole
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about this right now. OK, OK, let's let's, let's back
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up the Forsaken or those eyes to die who turn to the dark.
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They turn to the dark on their own.
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No one turned them to the dark. OK.
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OK, they all had their reasons, some of them having to do with
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jealousy of Lou staring, some of them just because they wanted
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power. So.
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But they all have the reasons. They all turn.
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He didn't turn it. Yeah.
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OK. OK, So what you're seeing is it
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is slightly different from the book.
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I I said I was going to try to get away from the book, like
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going forward, talking about this series.
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But since you asked. And like I said, for.
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Informational purposes for informational purpose in the
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book when when he the drag, when Lewis Theron took the 100
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companions, they were all male eyes to die who went with him to
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seal the bore where of the the Dark One's prison.
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For some odd reason, all the Forsaken were there to maybe to
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stop him. They all got sealed away when he
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closed the the prison. It was not perfect because they
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needed to do with the women and the women.
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We saw the was it the last episode where Luz was talking to
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Letra Sadai and she was like, yeah, the women are not going to
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help you. No, that was like first season.
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First season, right, He said. We're not going to help you do
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it. So it was only men.
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So it was imperfect. And that's when the dark wind
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tainted the male part of the one powered.
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Oh, OK, OK. OK, so all of the Forsaken got
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imprisoned at the same time, except Ishmael.
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He was halfway in prison, but he had the ability to come out
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every thousand years or so. OK.
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And they go through this cycle over and over and over again,
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and the Dark One is still able to sort of touch the world
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through Ishmael. OK.
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However, it seems like in a series losing 100 companions
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haunted down seemingly the forsaken and imprisoned.
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Like he caught one in prison, caught one.
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I guess Ishmael was the last one.
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OK, but obviously he's the most powerful of them, so he
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probably, you know, saved him for last.
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Get all the other ones out the way because what's the first
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thing he says? Oh, the others will come and
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help me. Nah, I already took care of
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them. Yeah.
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Yeah. So it was all the 100 companions
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versus him. He don't have a shot 'cause they
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can shield him or whatever. OK.
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And he imprisoned him as well. Not really clear how he got out,
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you know, to start this whole shebang, this series.
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But I'm going to just assume it was something similar where
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because it was not perfect maybe by the time they got to him it
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it it didn't really work as well.
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Didn't ran let him out. He was already out influencing
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the. Work.
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Oh, OK, OK, OK, right. Yeah, I still need to go back
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and rewatch first first season but OK.
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Yeah. And I don't, I don't, I'm not
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even sure. I'm not even clear that the
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last, that last episode, their confrontation wasn't exactly
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real. It may have been another
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illusion. OK.
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Because remember skipping your head at the end when he sees
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Rand, he says, oh, finally in the flesh.
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So maybe that what we saw was really an illusion from him.
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See, I thought when he said. Or maybe they were until around
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Riyadh and didn't know it. See, I thought when he said
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finally in the flesh, he I thought he was making a joke
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about Iguaine and Rand actually reuniting in person because he
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knows that Landfair took Rand to see Iguaine in the dream world.
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So I thought he was just being an asshole, being like, oh, I
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guess you guys are finally seeing each other again.
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You know, just kind of like digging the knife.
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No, I thought I I took it to me. He was looking at me and like,
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oh, finally we meet in the flesh.
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Because remember the whole time he's been coming to him in his
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dreams in season 1, he never actually saw him.
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So I'm thinking even that last sequence was it was not
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necessarily illusion, but maybe he had them until around Riyadh
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and they didn't know it. Because remember, he spent a lot
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of the episodes showing ran the possibilities.
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Yeah, OK. Yeah.
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And we and we know he's a master of illusion as well.
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So yeah, you know how he like. He's like low key level like.
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Right. Matt just knew he was there and
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thought he was going to hit him with the spirit.
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He wasn't. All I all I heard was, are you
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never going to not fall for that?
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Like in like in Avengers, I was like, alright, this
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motherfucker. You know, you should have seen
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that. How do you not see that?
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Yeah. What is unclear, though, because
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of the way they're doing it. Like how he had all the seals of
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each of the other Forsaken. They in the book seals were
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used. They were about palm size seals
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that were used to seal the Dark ones prison.
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They didn't have their own individual skills.
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OK, so I don't know. I don't know how they're, I
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don't know. I'm, I'm sort of confused about
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what they're going to do or how they're going to do the dark
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ones prison because there, there's something that has to be
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done later to to fix it. And I, I'm, I'm not sure how
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this is going to work. So, I mean, I'm OK with them
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doing it. It's just that I need them to
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explain it because it's it, it doesn't make a lot of sense to
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me. But that's probably because of
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what I knew from the books. But to answer your question,
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yeah, that was 100 companions sealing or forsaken away.
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But we don't see how they seal, how they seal the way the dark
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one. OK.
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OK, yeah, we don't. We don't know how they did that,
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so maybe they'll enlighten us later.
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OK, OK. Does that make sense?
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Does that answer your question? Is what's?
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Important and no, but I think the no part is because it if we
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look at the way that they've kind of revealed things from
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like 1000 years ago or 3000 years ago to now, they always do
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it towards the end of the season.
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So we got a little bit of it in the first season, we got this
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little bit in the second season. So I'm pretty sure most of the
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questions that I have about the earlier part or the Last Dragon,
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they'll probably explain it more in Season 3.
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I don't know what Season 3 will cover, but I'm sure we'll
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probably, especially now that we know that the Forsaken have been
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released, I'm thinking we'll probably get a little bit more
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of that background. Yeah, 'cause the only thing I
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can only, like, rationalize it is the Dark Ones somehow
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weakened Ishamael seal. Ishamael was using the little
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influence he had to get into Rand's dreams to guide him to
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his seal and have him break it so he could be free completely.
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That's the only way I can make it work in my head.
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And that's why we don't. That's why we in the end we see
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oh, in the flesh. Because Ram broke the seal and
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he was able to escape OK. I'll take that.
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I'll take that that that that's the only way it works OK.
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Yeah. So let's see, we got a lot to
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talk about with, with the Two Rivers folks.
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So we'll we'll go into that a little bit later.
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I want to talk about the white cloaks and and their invasion of
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farm because it's so strange because on the one hand, I don't
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like the white cloaks because of what happened with season 1,
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because of child vault. I I just don't like the white
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cloaks. You know, I think they're real
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sketchy group. And of course, you know, I have
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AI have a they, they are, they're very sketchy.
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And I, you know me and we've done enough shows and talked
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about enough fantasy things. Any any time that you have an
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order that is doing things because of a religion or because
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of a belief. IE the red cloaks.
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Yes, red cloaks, white cloaks, Gray cloaks, green cloaks,
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whatever you want to call them. Anytime you're you're doing it
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because of a so-called religion and part of your mission is to
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kind of wipe out other people who don't.
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I have a problem with that. So I have a problem with the
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white cloaks. They they really had me kind of
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sort of conflicted in this episode because I'm like, OK,
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they're invading farm. They're trying to get the Sean
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Chan out. I have no problem with this.
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It's it's good. I can I can kind of sort of get
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down with that. Except for the fact that child
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Balda is there and except for the fact that that motherfucker
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who killed Hopper, until that happened, I, you know, I was
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cool. Once that happened I was like
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parent go kill all of them. At that point, yeah, fuck all
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y'all. And see, here they go again,
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giving us characters that are, that are ambiguously likable and
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unlikable. It's like you either sometimes
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you're like, OK, maybe they're not that bad.
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It's just like 'cause when we meet the general son in the
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episode before last. When?
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Yeah, yeah. It's like you meet him and
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you're like, oh, well, he's probably not that bad.
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But then we learned he locked, he locked up the area and
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they're like, he's an asshole. OK, fine.
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Then you see him here and you're like, Oh well, he's still kind
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of OK, but it's like, no, his dad killed fucking copper.
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But see, his dad's, his dad, that has nothing to do with him.
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And even with him in the in the few episodes before with
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Avienda, we don't really know what like we know that she
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attacked some of the white clothes and that's probably why
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he had her locked up. We don't we don't really know.
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We know she's dangerous and his character, at least him, he
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seems to be a decent person. He doesn't like the way child
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Balda does his whatever it is that he does, you know, and, and
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again, he was he was nice to parent.
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He seemed OK. You know, I'm not saying he was
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the greatest. He's not the best.
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They have a cool nickname, but they have a cool nickname, Two
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Rivers. Right.
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Yeah, so and it's kind of like even when they were fighting in
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the streets and he realized that it was Parent and he saved, he
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was like 02 rivers and they started fighting side by side
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because they had a common enemy. You know, that whole the enemy
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of my enemy is my friend thing. I think Parent was like, OK, I
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don't like white cloaks. You all right?
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But then your daddy killed my killed my companion.
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But I don't think parent, of course, parent didn't know that
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was his father until afterwards. But I I don't think he had.
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I don't think what his dad did is a reflection on him.
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It's just the white clothes. I think in general, that's just
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kind of like you could do so much better.
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But it's also interesting because you have these two
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groups, you have the white clothes and you have the Sean
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Chen. Both of them supposedly have
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missions having to do with bringing people to the light,
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but they do it in very different ways.
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Yeah, right. And both of them are, in a
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sense, kind of horrible. I mean, I don't know what the
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other white coats do. Like, like you said, with the,
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with what's his, what's the their last name?
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Warholt. Yes, Warholt.
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Yeah. So like with the with the
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father, like you said, in the last season, he was basically
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with the iced diet. He was like, yeah, you know
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what? They stay out of our way, we
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stay out of their way. We just going to go over here
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and do our own thing. We're going to be cool child.
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Baldy is the one that makes the rest of them look like an
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asshole. No one really likes the the
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question is either the problem Valdez Valdez group.
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They're they're they're the the the extremists.
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And like every organization, yeah, like this has extremists.
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Yeah, all this baby bird eating ass that's.
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That's just, yeah. But you know, it's just
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interesting 'cause like I said, you have these two groups that
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supposedly have the same mission.
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Sort of, yeah. Yeah, but they go about it 2
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completely different ways and in some instances very inhumane
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ways, IE the the Sean Chan. So it it was one of those things
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where it's kind of like, I want to root for y'all for a little
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bit, but then I'm going to root over here.
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And then it's just kind of like, OK, I'm only rooting for my
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people, my people that are fighting.
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It's like what Dane Bornhall's father said.
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You know, people have gone to the kings and Queens of the
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different countries. They asked for help with the
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Sean Chan and Y'all said no. Right.
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You know that that leaves us. We are the last line.
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You want us on that wall? You.
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Need us on that wall? Yeah, and I will say they was
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getting that shit done 'cause they got they got so close
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before the Sean Chen even realized they were about to be
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invaded because of the kids with the the little things that you
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know. But I was laughing because I, I
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say this every time I see a battle scene and people are
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charging and you're supposed to be doing like a surprise attack.
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Why the hell would you yell at the last second?
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Just ride your horses into the town and just be done with it.
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You're telling them that you're coming.
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Vague to the white clothes. They're in the book.
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There are. There are some decent decent
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ones for the most part. OK.
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You know there are some decent ones so besides you that.
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Yeah, I mean, I think we discussed that in the first
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season too, because of the questioners.
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And child bald is like child bald is one of the kind of
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extremes, kind of like when we when we would discuss and cursed
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and it was what's his name? Father?
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I can't think of his name. But he was also like the extreme
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like, oh, OK, yeah, we're going to hunt down the fame.
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We're going to kill them all in the name of religion.
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Yay. Yeah.
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No, no, but. I mean the white clothes still
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still put children in harm's way by having them with a sense
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sensors making that fall for them to hide behind like.
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Yeah. But I guess they figure, I mean,
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if you're going to have children and you're going to be trying to
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train them for whatever it is that that your group does in
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particular, I guess that's probably the safer.
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Ready. To have them participate because
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they kind of stuck some swords in their hands and and said,
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hey, go out on the front lines. We're going to lower visibility
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and send the 10 charging horses behind you, OK?
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Yeah, that works. OK.
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All right. Sure.
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I'm just saying that in harm's way.
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The boy infantry up there my. God, yeah, don't, don't let them
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get run over by. Watch the horses, mind the
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horses. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. Right.
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I can't see through all this fault.
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Oops, sorry, but sorry lad. Let me tell you the The fact
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that this man continuously evades death bothers me so much
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because. Bother.
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Yes, because you get attacked by the wolves and you live it.
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Gwain stabs you in the neck and you live.
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You get attacked by another wolf in this episode and you live it.
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Gwain sees you from the tower and that is what makes her
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decide to attack because she was like, I'm not attacking, I'm not
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attacking. There's people down there.
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Oh, white close bed. Oh, and he's still alive.
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It bothers me so much. I just want this man to die.
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All all I'm going to say is Yep, you're you're just going to get
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a lot of Alder. You don't have to do that for
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me. And you haven't even scratched
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the you. Should have let me hold on to my
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hope. Damn it.
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You you don't even know half of it.
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Shit, OK, but going back to this invasion.
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So of course, like I said, the white, the white clothes, I was
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about to say the white folks, the white folks, the.
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White folks, I mean, but yeah, I mean six in one hand, half a
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dozen in the other. I.
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Mean, it's been a long one. Yeah, I'm so sorry.
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It's been a long month. So the white clothes in they
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they attack foam And of course, now the sole Dom and the Damani
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are being brought to the front to to fight.
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And Rena goes to Iguena. She tells her this.
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She was like, you know, sole Dom and Damani are being called to
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the tower to help defend the city.
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She said you, your, your behavior in this cell is one
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thing, but if you disobey me in the middle of a fight, then we
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discipline you by cutting out your tongue.
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And she tells Iguaine to stand. And Iguaine is she just
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basically look at her like, no, I'm not going to stand.
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And she reaches her her knife out into Iguaine's mouth.
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And she forces her to stand up. And Iguaine, even though she has
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a knife at her tongue, she's still looking at her defiantly.
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And Rena pulls the knife out. She puts the little gag in her
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mouth, and she turns her around and says, well, maybe this will
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make you obey. And she cuts a Gwaine's braid
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off. I knew in that moment Rena was
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going to die in this episode. It was at that moment.
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It was there. She fucked up.
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She fucked up. First of all, first of all,
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before Mike get started, first of all, get that dirty damn
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knife out my mouth. Let's just start there.
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Let's. Let's start there.
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Go ahead, Mike. Then see, this is the kind of
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thing where is she actually was, you know, I mean, she she kind
00:23:11
of like at the beginning, she kind of tried, she tried to like
00:23:15
get her with kindness, but like, OK, you know, I'm let's keep
00:23:18
your name. You know, I'm gonna be nice to
00:23:20
you. We can be friends, you know,
00:23:22
also stuff. Now she now, now that she
00:23:24
realizes that Dwayne doesn't like her, He's he's never going
00:23:28
to like her. She's like, yeah, whatever, get
00:23:29
the fuck up. Let's go.
00:23:30
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
00:23:32
no. I'm going to correct you.
00:23:33
I am going to correct you. Because what she did, and we had
00:23:37
this conversation in the last episode, she would start the
00:23:41
nice stuff, but then here comes that last sentence where she
00:23:46
deliberately backpedals or she she she crosses out, negates
00:23:53
whatever all of the nice stuff she says by the one little thing
00:23:57
she says at the end. She's been doing this
00:23:59
consistently since she and the Gwen had been put into a room
00:24:02
together. So no, it wasn't a oh, she's
00:24:04
she's been nice to her. And now that she no, she has
00:24:09
been in, she has been like that since we met her.
00:24:15
She just kind of crossed the line with this one, probably
00:24:20
because she realized in the last episode one, a Gwaine is
00:24:25
defiant, but she's found a way to be defiant without it harming
00:24:29
her. And then, you know, when she
00:24:32
came in, in the last episode, a Gwaine was braiding her hair.
00:24:35
And I think she realized that for a Gwaine, that's either a
00:24:39
symbol of strength or maybe from where she came from, that's a
00:24:43
symbol of status or something. But she realizes that the hair
00:24:47
is probably more important to Iguane cause Iguane is probably
00:24:50
like, OK, you can cut out my tongue.
00:24:52
I'm still gonna be defiant. But she cut her hair off and
00:24:55
it's just kind of like it did something to her.
00:24:59
It that was, it was like the last piece of you stripping who
00:25:03
Iguane is away from her. And at that point you can see
00:25:08
Iguane be furious. And not only that, Rand has
00:25:15
gotten into the city and we'll we'll get into that in a little
00:25:18
bit. But Rand has gotten into the
00:25:19
city and he sees the Soul Dom and the Damani marching towards
00:25:23
the Tower. It's one thing for him to see it
00:25:27
Gwen in a dream and know that she's being held captive.
00:25:29
She's being held prisoner. She's in a cell.
00:25:32
To see her being paraded with her short hair and that gag in
00:25:36
her mouth. Did you see the look on Rand's
00:25:40
face? Rand was like, I'm about to kill
00:25:43
all y'all motherfuckers and then in the next scene when we see
00:25:48
him, he did exactly that. OK, so but before.
00:25:54
But before, yeah, before we get. To that so you know in the book
00:26:00
Rand at this point in the book, he has been training with land
00:26:06
on on becoming a blade master. So he knows he he is pretty good
00:26:10
with the sword and he comes across to rock another blade
00:26:14
master. He's oh, well, let's see what
00:26:17
what it takes to be a blade master here in in this land.
00:26:22
And they have a really, really good sword fight.
00:26:25
OK, and this show ran was like I got time for your bullshit.
00:26:31
Let me let me make sure order of that shit was so funny to me
00:26:35
because I was expecting a good sword fight because the way
00:26:39
Torok grabbed his sword was like I was like oh he got to show
00:26:43
y'all some shit. Ran said Nope fuck you and your
00:26:46
Mama who kicks all of them. I was like I was like y'all made
00:26:52
Ran mad. Ran was like no y'all didn't
00:26:54
just parade my girl with a gag in her mouth and cut her hair
00:27:01
and we nothing have that. Yeah, he's like, I got shit to
00:27:05
do. We let's let's let's let's
00:27:07
let's, let's go up as. I would be, I would be remiss
00:27:12
and Nick would be upset if I didn't say this was like the
00:27:14
Indiana Jones scene. Yeah, like, yeah.
00:27:22
Yeah, yeah, if I don't have time for this bullshit.
00:27:26
Not at all. Rand was like, you got, you did
00:27:30
this to her. And Turok was like, yeah, let's
00:27:34
fight. Rand was like, no.
00:27:36
Given he was a lower level blade master it it it still would have
00:27:41
been a good fight to see but. You mean RAM being the low
00:27:44
level? No.
00:27:46
Well, in the book they were probably about the same level,
00:27:49
low level. Oh, OK, But see, the way, yeah,
00:27:52
'cause I was going to say the way the show makes it seem is
00:27:54
like Turok is kind of, I guess he's the leader.
00:28:00
So it just kind of gave the sense that he was the, and you,
00:28:05
I, I think you also said he was the one who actually was in
00:28:07
command of the military. Yeah, he was.
00:28:09
He was the commander. So yeah, you can't be a
00:28:12
commander of the military if you don't know your shit.
00:28:15
Yeah, at least you're not supposed to.
00:28:17
Well. The whole the whole thing about
00:28:19
the blade masters is a weird thing too, because you can
00:28:21
become a blade master by defeating a blade master.
00:28:25
That's one way. The other way is to be judged by
00:28:31
5 other blade masters unanimously in using the forms
00:28:36
which that can be manipulated if you have enough money and power.
00:28:42
You know, 'cause even Valde Valde is a blade master, but
00:28:46
people question how he got to become a blade master.
00:28:49
I would too. I would.
00:28:51
Too question every I question everything about him like.
00:28:55
Yes, 'cause something something just ain't right about him.
00:28:59
But OK, let's, let's go back. Let's go back to the whole Rand
00:29:03
thing and how he gets into farm. So in last episode, we know they
00:29:07
went through the way gate to get to farm.
00:29:08
So it's Rand land fair, Moraine and and land.
00:29:18
And when they're going through the way gate land fair is like,
00:29:23
you 2 are being mighty quiet back there.
00:29:25
Is that something I should, you know, I should be worried about?
00:29:28
She's talking to the Moraine and land.
00:29:31
And then they come up, there's a, you know, a area where I
00:29:37
guess there's supposed to be a way gate Moraine is like, OK,
00:29:39
man fair, open up the way gate phone and man fair was like, you
00:29:45
do it. And she said, she said Ishmael
00:29:49
took my powers from me. And she said, oh, you got a good
00:29:52
way with words because I know you got your powers back.
00:29:55
I can see the weeds on you. I was like Moraine, she's a
00:29:58
forsaking. You think she don't?
00:29:59
You really think she don't know you got your powers back?
00:30:02
Right. But then she tells them that she
00:30:09
was like, yeah, OK, so you're going to go the phone when the
00:30:13
time comes, raise the banner. And then she literally opens the
00:30:16
door. She pushes them through and then
00:30:18
she closes it, leaving just her and Rand in the waves and.
00:30:24
Pushed them out, pushed them out in in the beach, on the beach is
00:30:27
like, yeah, go get some sun, then I'll see you later.
00:30:29
Like God damn. Like in the in the middle of
00:30:32
like far away from fall, far early enough from fall that they
00:30:35
can see it and be like fuck. Like now.
00:30:38
Well, first they didn't know where they were.
00:30:40
Yeah, right. They were like what the fuck?
00:30:42
They were far enough away and then I think if we judge the way
00:30:47
the IL maidens reacted when they got up to farm, there's not
00:30:51
supposed to be water there, right?
00:30:53
No, they were. They didn't know.
00:30:55
They had never seen water like that before.
00:30:58
It wasn't that there wasn't supposed to be water there.
00:31:01
They were just like, Oh my God, is that water?
00:31:04
Oh, OK, 'cause I thought, I thought somebody made the
00:31:07
comment like is that supposed to be there or something like that?
00:31:10
So I thought that maybe it was something something weird that
00:31:13
they had done too. It's support.
00:31:15
It's support city. Oh, OK, OK.
00:31:18
I do want to say, you know, again, they show us how powerful
00:31:23
the Forsaken are because when we've seen Moraine and Leandrian
00:31:30
open the way gate, they have to do all this extra stuff with
00:31:35
their powers to get it open, and Landfree literally just opens
00:31:39
her finger and it comes open. Right.
00:31:42
Yeah. Right, and also want to point
00:31:44
out that Marine is of the active eyes to die in this world.
00:31:49
She's the most powerful. You think I couldn't figure that
00:31:53
out with this episode? Because I was like, if I didn't
00:31:56
know how powerful Marine was before, you definitely found it
00:31:59
out in this episode. But that still is pales in
00:32:05
comparison to how powerful answer is.
00:32:08
That's crazy. That is crazy.
00:32:11
That that's crazy because I will say this when Moraine and land
00:32:17
after they had their conversation, like they had that
00:32:20
much needed conversation when land was like, look, you need to
00:32:24
let me back in, give me this bond back.
00:32:26
And she was like, you still want it after everything I've done,
00:32:29
You know, especially the way. He's been chasing after you,
00:32:32
woman. God damn you what?
00:32:36
Here you pull you back in? Wait, you still want to abuse?
00:32:40
I think she, I think she actually needed to hear what LAN
00:32:44
had to say to her, because LAN was basically like, look, you
00:32:47
can't hurt me anymore. I know, you know, I, I was upset
00:32:50
when you said what you said about us not being equals.
00:32:53
But I believe in you. I believe in your mission.
00:32:57
I think she needed to hear somebody say that.
00:33:01
That woman is asking. Huh.
00:33:05
That woman is madding to me. Like she.
00:33:07
Is she is, but also I will say this, she just she just dealt
00:33:12
with a very big betrayal from from one from the other person
00:33:17
that she loves. So I can kind of understand her
00:33:19
just being like, you know what, I'm just going to do this alone.
00:33:21
And that is like, look, I got your back, but I need to have
00:33:25
that bond back. I understand.
00:33:27
He was like, look, I'm I'm lower on the total pole than you.
00:33:31
I get it, I'm OK with that. I understand it, I accept it.
00:33:36
And then that's what she told him she was like.
00:33:38
Look, the only reason why I was even able to say that to you is
00:33:40
because one thing has been true since I met you.
00:33:44
You have always been my better. And he's just looking at her
00:33:48
like, OK, now that we got that clear, give me the goddamn bond.
00:33:53
But I will say this once he once they get the bond, once he gets
00:33:59
the bond back and of course, the the Sean Chen warriors start
00:34:04
coming to the beach while she's trying to disarm the Sean Chen,
00:34:09
the money that are on the sea because they're shielding Ran at
00:34:14
this moment. Oh, but but wait, remember, I
00:34:16
just wanted to point out she got the stat boost 'cause he's like,
00:34:20
are you moving faster now that Yeah, Oh, I don't feel like I
00:34:24
got 5 buckets on my back. Right.
00:34:26
But also with that, he got the stab boost too, because when the
00:34:31
soldiers start coming, she's like, OK, I'm going to do my
00:34:34
thing. You going to go do your thing?
00:34:36
He's sitting there fighting all of the soldiers.
00:34:38
There is an Archer up on the cliffs shooting arrows at
00:34:43
Moraine. This motherfucker's plucking the
00:34:45
arrows from the air and then stabbing the soldiers.
00:34:48
Here come another one Shrink. First of all.
00:34:52
This is where Anthony was talking about.
00:34:54
This land stand we would have been able to do it without.
00:34:58
I open. The status I understand.
00:35:01
It I understand, but it was still just.
00:35:03
It was still great because and first of all, and and Mike will
00:35:08
point out, I'm sure that why y'all taking him one at a time
00:35:13
thumb answers. I'm just saying I mean.
00:35:16
I don't think it would have made a difference.
00:35:18
That's what everybody does this like they they, they think this
00:35:21
is this like a old Bruce Lee film where Bruce Lee is in the
00:35:23
middle of like 50 guys and they keep coming at him one at a
00:35:26
time. He's like this beating him off
00:35:28
and it's like really awesome. Really.
00:35:31
It's like y'all need to really just like, I mean all together
00:35:36
now. I mean, I guess, I guess maybe
00:35:39
they're trying to avoid hitting each other in, in that kind of,
00:35:44
I mean, I, I, I'm just. Well, the The Archers have no
00:35:47
instincts. One, this is your but if if I'm
00:35:51
shoot, if I'm shooting arrows and this mother fucker is
00:35:54
plucking the arrows out of the air, then I would have to try
00:35:58
something else 'cause obviously what I'm doing is not working
00:36:02
like you way up there and you can't even like how how do you
00:36:07
even know? Do you hear the arrow whizzing
00:36:09
by that? Like, yeah, at this point, if
00:36:13
I'm shooting arrows from the Cliff and he's catching them and
00:36:18
I'm, I'm just wasting my time up there.
00:36:20
I'm wasting my energy. I'm wasting good arrows.
00:36:22
Let me go down to let me go down to the beach and let me get into
00:36:26
the fight and maybe get a lick in or something.
00:36:30
And he's. Like my Mama gave me that arrow.
00:36:35
I mean. Yeah.
00:36:37
Man was doing his thing. I'm just saying, but I mean,
00:36:41
Land showed why he's why he is who he is.
00:36:44
And it's like that that scene was one of this see, this
00:36:48
episode had a lot of really good, good fight scenes.
00:36:52
They're like this. This is one that that was more
00:36:54
one of the more action-packed episodes of the whole series
00:36:57
period up to this point. Like this a lot that we're in
00:37:01
the couple that we're going to get into.
00:37:02
But yeah, this one was was been pretty fucking badass.
00:37:06
Yeah, yeah. But man was doing his thing and
00:37:11
I was sitting here thinking in my head.
00:37:13
I was like, yeah, OK, This is why we're land stands like this.
00:37:17
This this episode is exactly why.
00:37:20
So I love it. But OK, let's go back a little
00:37:27
bit more, little bit more. I want to go back to let's talk
00:37:33
about not even Elaine for a minute because and I already
00:37:38
know, I already know Mike got some stuff to say.
00:37:42
Mike, go ahead 'cause I know you feeling some things about Naive
00:37:47
and this fake Sodom role that she is playing right now.
00:37:53
Yeah, I, I was scared. Like I was like, 'cause she
00:37:59
enjoyed that. Even though she did look like
00:38:01
she was enjoying it. She was in she there was some
00:38:04
moments that she was kind of having that she was, she wasn't
00:38:07
having fun, but she could feel the power like she was like, I
00:38:10
feel a sense she felt like different sensations like and
00:38:15
she was trying to and like the power.
00:38:18
I think she was not necessarily enjoying, but appreciating the
00:38:22
power that she had over her. Like she she saw her, like had
00:38:27
her, had made her kneel before her.
00:38:30
It's like I'm looking at it now. It's like I.
00:38:32
Don't. I don't think appreciation
00:38:34
really plays into it. Naive was pissed and I think
00:38:38
that's all it was. She was basically like, OK, I'm
00:38:41
angry. And not only that, we saw, I
00:38:45
mean, we've seen all season Naive has not been able to
00:38:48
channel when she needs the channel.
00:38:49
So the fact that she has this cuff on and she can feel the
00:38:52
connection between her and the girl and, and she's already got
00:38:56
this rage about what's going on. I, I don't think, I don't think
00:39:00
appreciation had anything to do with it.
00:39:03
She was just basically like, oh, yeah, I feel this bitch in my
00:39:06
head and I know exactly what they do to their people.
00:39:08
Oh yeah. I'm gonna let her see what it
00:39:10
feels like for a moment. I think that's all.
00:39:12
I don't, I don't think Mike meant appreciation in in the in
00:39:16
the positive sense where I just see me.
00:39:18
She kind of understood. Yeah.
00:39:21
She understood the power that you can have over another
00:39:24
person. Is that right, Mike?
00:39:25
I think that's. What she she said she felt the
00:39:28
bubble of sensations and all I have to do is push.
00:39:31
And it's like she was just like every time she she ripped her
00:39:35
hand and and made and made made her twist, even though she was
00:39:39
begging, ironically begging for her to take it off, which is
00:39:43
probably something that she something that she experienced
00:39:46
doing it to someone else. Like, oh, how's that feel?
00:39:49
Right, But Elaine was just like, Elaine was like, what the fuck
00:39:53
you, you, you do get what you need.
00:39:57
And it's like, I mean, they were just, I mean, she was just so
00:40:02
in, I mean, not even, not even mean, just ruthless, you know,
00:40:08
I'm saying it's like, it's not necessarily like being mean.
00:40:12
And it's like even when she was like, if you even try to get
00:40:15
help. She said.
00:40:18
I promise you I will make the. First, the first kit your mother
00:40:21
gave your father. I'm like that shit.
00:40:26
I was like, that's some poetic shit.
00:40:28
But also, that's some mean fucking shit dude.
00:40:32
But you know what? I felt every ounce of the hatred
00:40:36
she had when she uttered that line, and I'm so sorry.
00:40:42
I'm here for it. I told you I don't like the Sean
00:40:45
Chan. I don't like what they're doing
00:40:47
to the women. The fact that she was doing
00:40:49
that, I was not bothered at all. I was like, OK, I know this
00:40:53
should really bother me. But given and I think it's also
00:40:56
because we see what's going on from the outsiders point of
00:41:01
view. So we know what kind of torture
00:41:03
E Gwaine has gone through. We know what they do to the
00:41:06
Damani. So we have that insiders
00:41:08
knowledge. So what I'm looking at and I
00:41:10
need do this to that girl, I was like, oh, how's the weather over
00:41:15
there? Yeah.
00:41:17
I mean, it's I. Just like I just like to look on
00:41:20
Elaine's face, like why didn't you check on you?
00:41:22
Your check on your friend Elaine, take on your friends.
00:41:25
Is she alright? I'm getting.
00:41:27
Anywhere near that. I wouldn't get anywhere near
00:41:29
Nanny's when she's like that. I'm like I'll be I'll be across
00:41:32
and be like you alright? You OK?
00:41:34
Edging towards the door like I don't even though I don't have
00:41:38
windows windows necklaces on. Like you were scary as fuck
00:41:42
right now. Yeah, but I think kind of going
00:41:44
back to what I said in the last episode, not even Elaine, They
00:41:49
they balance each other out. And there is a time for Elaine
00:41:54
and her calmness and her her gentleness and her clear
00:41:58
headedness. And then there is a time for 90s
00:42:01
rage. And even though it may Elaine
00:42:03
uncomfortable, I think she understood that because they
00:42:07
weren't getting anywhere with that girl being nice or just
00:42:13
asking questions. This girl sitting here begging
00:42:15
you to take it off. Oh, we, they're, they're going
00:42:18
to take them to the tower, but we can't go to the tower because
00:42:21
I don't want them to see me like that.
00:42:22
You think her friend wants her, wants anybody to see her like
00:42:26
that? But y'all didn't have a problem
00:42:27
parading her up there. That's the least.
00:42:29
That's the least of her problem. You.
00:42:31
That is the least of your problems.
00:42:33
You you worry about your friends seeing seeing you in this thing.
00:42:36
That's the least of your problems right now.
00:42:40
Worry about having worry about having a spine after nanny like
00:42:43
turns her wrist the wrong way. Right, because I was really
00:42:49
thinking I was like, she is really going to kill this girl.
00:42:53
But no, I mean, that wouldn't, that wouldn't serve their
00:42:55
purpose. But I think she just felt like
00:42:58
she needed to get a little bit of it out.
00:42:59
And I hate to say it, though, why is that the only time that
00:43:03
we got to see my knee use her powers?
00:43:05
Because again, later on when she needs to use her powers, she
00:43:11
can't do shit. Yeah.
00:43:13
And it's just at this point it's starting to frustrate me now.
00:43:19
I I think I, I think I kind of, I think I've said this before, I
00:43:22
think they really had to do it because they showed how powerful
00:43:26
she was early. So they made her block even
00:43:31
worse than it is in the books. And I think that's what I was
00:43:34
feeling because at first it was like, yeah, I don't remember her
00:43:38
having the block. You just wasn't as bad.
00:43:40
OK. And it it yeah, she can only
00:43:44
tell when she was either angry, upset or really emotional.
00:43:49
But here it's like they even when she's angrily upset and
00:43:52
emotional, she still can't channel and like you made it
00:43:56
worse than it is in the book because she you made out you
00:44:00
made it and you reinforce it every week.
00:44:03
The most powerful channeler we've seen in 1000 year blah
00:44:07
blah. And so they had the nerf her
00:44:10
because if she could just do anything it would be more than
00:44:15
what Marine could do. Yeah, and I and I get.
00:44:19
That from there, it's like, it's like you can't, you can't just
00:44:22
have you hit. You already gave had her, had
00:44:25
her have a moment where she's like incredibly fucking
00:44:27
powerful. It's like, what else can she do
00:44:30
without? And you can't have her do it
00:44:32
without training. You just didn't just have her,
00:44:35
just have. I'm not looking for her do I'm
00:44:37
not looking for her and I'm not looking for her to show like
00:44:41
this big enormous display of power.
00:44:47
But can you at least get can you at least get the girl's arrow
00:44:50
out of her leg without having to push that mother fucker through?
00:44:54
No, I get it. Yeah, That's that's she was like
00:44:57
mother fucker like Evelyn Evelyn.
00:44:59
She's she's actually like really like dedicated to the other than
00:45:05
that I've been like, no, heal me.
00:45:06
No, figure that shit out. Don't push that shit through.
00:45:09
I would say like can you break off the tip 1st and then pull it
00:45:14
through? I would think as a wisdom she
00:45:16
would know that that's like basic one.
00:45:19
Unless the arrow's like, extremely hard, I mean.
00:45:22
Basic and I was wondering that I was like the arrow made.
00:45:25
Of basically you break it, you just break it and pull it out.
00:45:28
I don't understand. I don't.
00:45:32
Understand. I mean, the only the only thing
00:45:34
I can think of as far as a reason why she didn't do it that
00:45:39
way is because if you break it off and it's not a clean break,
00:45:43
there's a possibility of leaving splinters in the flesh.
00:45:47
That's why you don't break it off on the inside, on the
00:45:49
outside. No, but she's still.
00:45:52
You break that, you break it, OK.
00:45:56
You see what I'm saying? If it's not a clean break, you
00:45:58
still got to pull part of it through the flesh.
00:46:01
And if they're, if it, if it's jagged on the edge and it's
00:46:04
coming through the flesh, splinters might pull off of it.
00:46:08
Yeah, but she could, she could. She could get like feather
00:46:11
feather parts off of it in there in there too.
00:46:14
Well, I mean, they were in the middle of being attacked, so I
00:46:18
mean, I'll give her that leeway, but I'm just like, dude, can't.
00:46:21
Can you at least just do something?
00:46:24
And and then here's the other question.
00:46:26
Could Elaine not do that for herself like.
00:46:30
No, you cannot heal yourself. OK, OK.
00:46:33
Moraine Moraine established that in Season 1.
00:46:36
OK, I can't. I can't remember if it was just
00:46:38
because because Moraine had trollic poison in her wound, so
00:46:44
I didn't know if it was just because of the trolley poison.
00:46:47
They just can't do that to themselves.
00:46:49
Yeah, you can't hear yourself. But even not healing herself,
00:46:52
she couldn't use the power to get the arrow out of her own
00:46:55
leg. Technically speaking, that's not
00:47:00
healing herself. Yeah, she could have, but what
00:47:03
would have been the difference? Yeah, I, I, I guess they just
00:47:06
needed to show us that. Nanny, you still can't do shit
00:47:09
right now. I mean, and I guess also to
00:47:14
establish, you know, once they did get the arrow out, Elaine
00:47:18
was like, just leave me here, I'll slow you down.
00:47:20
She was like, no, cuz we, we don't even know if I can channel
00:47:23
when I get there. What every Wayne needs.
00:47:26
She's she's going to need you. So I guess it was also to kind
00:47:29
of establish that like 90s acceptance of, OK, Elaine is as
00:47:33
important to this whole thing as I could be or as parent is or
00:47:38
whatever I think is. It was just to establish that
00:47:41
Elaine is a part of this group now.
00:47:43
But still I was like. But she's like, no, no, I still
00:47:47
can't do anything. I need you.
00:47:48
No, you have to come. Yeah.
00:47:51
Well she already bonded with Nanny, with Elaine, with Wayne,
00:47:55
so now she has to have a bond with bonding moment with Nanny.
00:47:58
Yeah, yeah. Because like I said, and I think
00:48:03
we all said this, we like the dynamic between the two of them.
00:48:06
And I think that was just kind of the further establish it.
00:48:09
But I I need naive to come. Out we also we also had to have
00:48:13
the the traditional key key light moment with Elaine
00:48:18
standing over Rand. Who are you with?
00:48:25
I was like, what are y'all doing with that?
00:48:27
Are y'all trying to make it seem like, oh, this is my this is my
00:48:31
Angel. I was like, cuz which I'm not
00:48:33
about to do is put make make this a little triangle.
00:48:36
This, this ain't gonna work. Got the triangle enough going on
00:48:40
right now. And I see Anthony look with his
00:48:43
eyes over to the side sipping his coke.
00:48:46
So I'm just going to ignore that look on your face right now
00:48:49
because I'm not going there and I'm annoying that laugh and that
00:48:53
smile you have, 'cause I'm not going there.
00:48:55
We have a love triangle going on.
00:48:57
We don't need to add another person to it.
00:48:58
No. Look at his face, Mike.
00:49:02
Look at his face. I.
00:49:04
Know because I know because I'm sick of just creating Tris Tris
00:49:09
trio Tris two. It's like it's like you got
00:49:12
everything got being freeze like damn it it just two people just
00:49:15
enjoy themselves like you ain't gonna have it where But yeah, I
00:49:19
was like I I saw that too and I was like interesting like what
00:49:24
the hell is going on here is like is it a truce or is it just
00:49:28
like rivals? I mean, it's like.
00:49:31
Whatever it is, we don't need to have it.
00:49:33
Are you trying to have all that? No.
00:49:35
No. OK, let's go.
00:49:38
OK, let's go wait to Pat and Fain's bitch ass.
00:49:42
Yeah, let's talk about this. My fault.
00:49:49
This was this was this was oddly satisfying to me because he he
00:49:53
set the dagger down for him. He's like, yeah, I know you want
00:49:55
it. Go ahead and get it.
00:49:57
No, it's cool. I'll just wait outside.
00:49:58
I'll. I'll leave you 2 alone.
00:50:00
Then, then, Then I was like, OK, shout out to Dad for being
00:50:06
smart, being smarter than the average.
00:50:08
And he was like, OK, I'm going to put it down here.
00:50:09
I'm not going to touch it. I'm just going to tie it.
00:50:12
Matt was like y'all going to stop thinking I'm stupid?
00:50:14
He's. He's much smarter than people
00:50:17
give him credit for. Right.
00:50:19
Matt was like no, he it's one of those things where it's fool me
00:50:23
once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
00:50:26
Matt was like I've had history with this dagger.
00:50:29
I know what this dagger does. This dagger is not good for me.
00:50:32
He was like Nope, you know what? I am on my 6th month of
00:50:36
sobriety. Y'all aren't about to get me no.
00:50:40
I just earned my 6th month medallion.
00:50:42
That's right, I got my chip right here.
00:50:44
Motherfucker, I'm not giving this shit back up.
00:50:46
And the thing that got me was when Pat and Fame comes in to
00:50:49
talk to Matt, he's like, Oh yeah, my, my best broke his
00:50:54
customer and blah, blah, blah. He's saying all this stuff.
00:50:56
He was like, you know, you want to touch this dagger and blah,
00:50:58
blah, blah. He walks out the door and says,
00:51:01
you in this room with this dagger?
00:51:04
He was like, yeah, you deserve it ever do to you for you to say
00:51:09
that he deserves it. I you know what?
00:51:11
I really, I really when Matt got out of that room and Pat and
00:51:15
Fame was sitting there looking, he was like, yeah, I knew it
00:51:17
wasn't going to be long. And he saw that Matt didn't
00:51:20
touch the dagger. His whole demeanor changed.
00:51:23
I don't think we've ever seen Pat and Fame running scared in
00:51:27
these two seasons. That was so satisfying to watch.
00:51:31
It was, it would have been even better if we would have seen
00:51:35
Matt kick his ass a little bit. But that's OK.
00:51:37
We still got another we we still got a couple, couple of other
00:51:40
seasons. We can, it can.
00:51:42
It can come, right? I think it.
00:51:51
Was like what Matt said, I've had I've been locked up my fair
00:51:56
share this year. And if there's one thing I've
00:51:58
learned is that there are more, more than one way to skin a cat.
00:52:02
It was like, I'm I'm not the one.
00:52:05
I'm not the two either. Killed the car, then took off
00:52:10
running. I was like, OK, we get to see we
00:52:13
get to see a little bit of, you know, some smarts from that.
00:52:16
And then the rest of the episode I was just cheering for him
00:52:21
because he runs out, he runs into parent, they see each
00:52:24
other. He finds out daddy Gwen is
00:52:26
there. Parent finds out that Randy's
00:52:29
alive. And it's like all the things
00:52:31
start falling into place. They have the horn of a Lear,
00:52:34
which OK, before we before we move on with this, damn it, I
00:52:39
drank all my drink. I was going to say we got to
00:52:41
pull one out for Ingtar because when I say Domenico went out
00:52:45
like AG. Like AG for real.
00:52:49
He was like I'll hold them off while y'all get the horn to ran
00:52:53
and he was fighting several of them see what they were doing
00:52:57
with him. That's what they should have
00:52:58
been doing with land because they were coming at him all at
00:53:01
once. And that's how they ended up
00:53:03
getting them because two of them stabbed them in the back at the
00:53:06
same time. But it's so funny because we ran
00:53:11
not when Matt runs into parent and Loyal and they're with the
00:53:16
IE women. And, you know, Matt is, you
00:53:20
know. Hey, Parent, my old friend.
00:53:22
Yeah. I'm so glad to see you.
00:53:23
Who are these people? And Parent is like their
00:53:25
friends. And then here come the soldiers
00:53:27
chasing after Matt. He was like, I hope your friends
00:53:30
can fight. They were like, hold my beer.
00:53:33
And then all of a sudden you see Shump, shump, shump.
00:53:36
And Masane was already pissed off because he was like first of
00:53:40
all, y'all got us here in the 1st place.
00:53:42
Second, my boy Antar just got killed by y'all.
00:53:44
I'm about to come with y'all's ass.
00:53:46
So you see all these people fighting and it was so glorious.
00:53:51
And then of course, like I said, they were, they were talking
00:53:53
about the horn and Matt's like, oh, you need to open the box.
00:53:58
Well guess what? I have a special dagger.
00:54:01
I have the key. Have the kid.
00:54:04
Is that? He Loyale is like, Oh yeah,
00:54:06
that'll work. How did you know bro?
00:54:09
Right now this is. Everything.
00:54:13
Before, OK, that's what I was about to say before all of this.
00:54:17
When they're trying to plan their escape, you know, intars
00:54:21
like we have the Horn of the Lear, we need to get it to rant.
00:54:25
And Loyale says what No, Ingtar said.
00:54:30
You know, the horn is the kid. It summons all of the the war
00:54:34
heroes from. Yeah, the heroes from The Age.
00:54:36
Of. Life and and that's going to be
00:54:38
key to the dragon winning the battle.
00:54:40
And Loyale was like, but we're here now.
00:54:44
We're the heroes of now. We are the heroes of another
00:54:47
generation's legend. We need to start acting like it.
00:54:52
I was like, Loyale is the MVP of this episode because he was
00:54:56
like, look, pull your head out your ass, we got this, but we
00:55:00
have to act. But of course, Antar dies.
00:55:05
I have expected to see to see him again when after after a
00:55:08
Matt blew the horn next to Uno. That would have been cool.
00:55:14
That would have been cool. But OK, let's get to Matt
00:55:16
blowing this horn because like I said, I've watched this episode
00:55:21
now four, maybe five times. And every single time when it
00:55:26
gets to that point, I am bawling like a fucking baby because I'm
00:55:32
like, Matt is getting his moment.
00:55:35
He takes the horn. He's trying to get the horn to
00:55:37
Ran and he's got the Sean Chan. So Sean Chan soldiers in front
00:55:42
of him, and he can't get further.
00:55:46
And he just looks and he blows the horn.
00:55:49
And when he blows the horn, everybody literally stops or
00:55:53
they're moving in very, very slow motion.
00:55:56
And then you see the heroes, their ghosts appear behind him.
00:56:01
And he says, I remember. I remember when he said that,
00:56:05
that was the moment I lost it because I was like, what do you
00:56:08
remember? And what are you remembering?
00:56:10
And he was like, I was a hero of the horn too.
00:56:14
And then the one soldier said, I have fought by your times.
00:56:17
I have fought by your side many times.
00:56:20
I was. 1000 times. Yeah, I was.
00:56:22
So happy because that's when you realize, like Anthony said,
00:56:28
Ishmael is the father of lies. He only showed Matt what he
00:56:32
needed to show him in order to make Matt doubt himself.
00:56:37
But the rest of that time Matt was a hero and you have all
00:56:41
these other warriors behind him, including Uno, who are all
00:56:46
heroes of the horn. And they're like, come on, we
00:56:50
got this. He turns around.
00:56:52
He gives the the the little charge, whatever he says and
00:56:55
whatever language that is. Then he starts working that boss
00:56:58
ass. I'm sitting in my living room
00:57:01
like, I'm like losing it. I'm losing my shit.
00:57:05
I am screaming. I remember the first time I
00:57:08
watched this, my son actually came downstairs.
00:57:10
He was like, are you OK? I was like, yeah, I'm good.
00:57:13
I was so happy because we've had two seasons of Matt being kind
00:57:20
of trounced on, downplay, ignored, you know, kind of being
00:57:26
like the least respected, least important, least loved member of
00:57:34
the Two Rivers crew. And he's one of the, he's like
00:57:38
one of the powerful. And it was just so happy to see
00:57:43
him have his moments. Yeah, I, I have goosebumps now
00:57:47
talking about it. It was just so satisfying.
00:57:50
I'm not going to butcher what he says in the Old Tongue, but it
00:57:54
basically means it's time to roll the dice because, you know,
00:57:58
in the book he's a gambler who hardly ever loses.
00:58:01
Yeah. And in the book, there's this
00:58:05
thing where he can feel the dice rolling in his head when he's
00:58:09
about to do something and he's to be when he's going to, yeah,
00:58:13
he's going to to kind of make his luck happen.
00:58:17
So. But yeah, that that's what he
00:58:19
says. It's time to roll the dice.
00:58:21
Man, let me tell you, it was so satisfying.
00:58:24
And I think, I think in that moment, you really get to see
00:58:32
the full, the fullness of Matt's personality and who he is and
00:58:37
who he's supposed to be. You get to see all of that come
00:58:40
out like once he has that moment where it clicks in his head
00:58:43
that, oh, I'm not just this loser that just hangs around
00:58:46
with my, you know, better friends.
00:58:50
I'm important too. And I always has been.
00:58:53
It was just the most satisfying part of this entire episode.
00:58:58
I mean, above everything else, I think that was the moment that
00:59:03
is my favorite probably out of both seasons.
00:59:07
All the way back to when Moraine was telling the story of
00:59:10
Minnethrin. And you know what happened at
00:59:13
Minnethrin? That's where the Two Rivers is
00:59:15
now that there's a reason why the most powerful I, the most
00:59:23
powerful channelers of this age are all from there.
00:59:28
Someone that's specialist parent being a wolf brother is there
00:59:32
and you have Matt. And you know, if I remember
00:59:35
correctly, Matt is the one who has the most mineterine blood in
00:59:41
him. OK, He's special, OK.
00:59:46
You can see his whole demeanor change, his posture change, you
00:59:51
see the air of confidence just come over him.
00:59:54
It is so different and I'm going to give this actor a lot of
00:59:57
credit to be able to make that physical change.
01:00:01
As well, him going from that kind of feeling like a loser to
01:00:07
the confident person. And then for us to see him lose
01:00:11
it again after he goes to the tower, he sees, you know, Ran
01:00:16
being being shielded and Ishmael being there, you know, kind of
01:00:23
taunting him or whatever, whatever.
01:00:25
Matt sees them, he sees an opportunity.
01:00:30
He throws the spear that he has made with the dagger at Ishmael.
01:00:35
But of course, Ishmael is an illusion.
01:00:38
We find this out because the spear goes straight through him
01:00:42
and into Ran. And hence here is the so-called
01:00:45
vision of Matt killing Rand with the dagger, but not quite in the
01:00:50
way that men saw it. And you just kind of see Matt
01:00:53
deflated because he's like, oh shit, I did this.
01:00:57
Oh my God. Oh brother, I'm so sorry.
01:00:59
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
01:01:02
But yeah, Matt's whole transformation in this in this
01:01:07
entire episode, like was so satisfying to watch.
01:01:15
But not not even just that, just the way that you see all of our
01:01:22
Two Rivers people kind of getting their glow up in this
01:01:27
episode because you see Ran kind of embracing a little bit more
01:01:33
who he is because at this point he's like, OK, look on the
01:01:39
Dragon Reborn. I have to go claim my, you know,
01:01:42
claim myself and then you see it, Gwaine and what she's going
01:01:47
through and this pisses him off. He has no, you know, he has no
01:01:51
qualms about using the one power.
01:01:53
At that point he's like, OK, yeah, I'm about to kill y'all
01:01:55
and go figure out how to save her.
01:01:58
Of course it Gwaine is having her own kind of revelation up
01:02:03
here on the tower because she's there's a the money.
01:02:07
She's there supposed to be like I said, she's supposed to be
01:02:10
helping with the battle. She's already hesitant and
01:02:14
they're already peeping. They're like, Rena, you can't
01:02:17
control your Damani because she tells her she you know, she kind
01:02:21
of looks defiant at first. Then of course she sees the
01:02:24
white cloaks down in the town. She attacks them and again he'll
01:02:30
go Rena with the one sentence. You could have kept this shit.
01:02:34
Good girl, good girl, like you talking to a dog.
01:02:36
I was like, kill her. Just kill her already.
01:02:40
But I didn't have to wait too long, because Iguane stops
01:02:46
attacking. She turns around, she spits her
01:02:50
little gag out in front of everybody.
01:02:52
So everybody knows that Rena doesn't have control of her
01:02:55
Damani. So of course she's about to make
01:02:59
an example of Iguane. Iguane is sitting there on her
01:03:02
knees with her hands out and Rena is about to take her tongue
01:03:06
and they are attacked with stones and arrows and there's an
01:03:11
explosion. And Iguane and Rena are the only
01:03:16
two people who survived the explosion of course.
01:03:20
But Iguane comes to 1st and when she when she gets out of the
01:03:24
rubble she comes across the Damani who dies.
01:03:28
And of course, when they die, their their Adam releases from
01:03:33
their body. Then you see Rena get up and
01:03:37
she's looking around, She's seeing the destruction.
01:03:39
Then she's looking at E Gwaine. And she was like, you were part
01:03:43
of this. Like she was really blaming E
01:03:45
Gwaine for them being attacked in the tower.
01:03:48
She was like, this was coming from the town.
01:03:50
You knew about this. This is your fault.
01:03:54
E Gwaine is just like, yeah, OK, whatever.
01:03:58
She gets ready to almost like hit Rena.
01:04:02
I think no. Rena uses her her cuff to kind
01:04:10
of, you know, bring Inguane down to her knees.
01:04:14
And Inguane, I don't know how she didn't pay attention to this
01:04:18
because I think I would have noticed if somebody who didn't
01:04:23
usually wear arm cuff had a arm cuff all of a sudden, because
01:04:26
even the way Inguane was holding herself, she was hiding that
01:04:31
right side. But you can still kind of see
01:04:33
the top part of the cuff. But anyway, when Renna does
01:04:37
that, she puts the cuff, she puts the A Dom on Renna.
01:04:41
And Renna is like, stupidy Gwaine.
01:04:44
The collars only work on women who can channel.
01:04:47
And Iguana is like, yeah, I know.
01:04:50
And then all of a sudden they see the A Dom take place, you
01:04:54
know, take form. And Iguana say, yeah, I had to
01:04:57
sit here and try to figure out why we were linked.
01:05:01
And I thought it was something like the water bomb.
01:05:03
But no, She said, you sold them. You guys can channel too.
01:05:08
It's just that you are so weak in the power that the other
01:05:12
Damani didn't pick it up. And Renna's like, no, they can't
01:05:16
be. And she was like, yeah, you and
01:05:18
I are the same. And you see it because Iguayne
01:05:21
is able to use the cuff to put Renna on the wall and choke her,
01:05:27
kind of similar to the way she did her.
01:05:32
But she was like, but you're still my Damani.
01:05:34
You know, you still have to do what I say.
01:05:36
Iguan was like, OK, and I'm yours.
01:05:40
You're mine. If this is how we got to end it,
01:05:43
this is how we got to end it. Because she's like, you can't
01:05:45
hurt me without hurting yourself.
01:05:47
And Iguan is literally sitting there like OK but I would I
01:05:52
would rather die than continue to be your slave.
01:05:56
Yeah, right. Yeah, Yeah.
01:05:59
It was a battle wheels. And let me tell you, Rena lost
01:06:04
because. She.
01:06:06
She disengaged her cuff the Adam falls off of Iguane and she was
01:06:10
like, OK, so use it. She's like, let me go.
01:06:14
And Iguane just sitting there looking at her.
01:06:16
I was like, Iguane, if you let her down, if you let her down,
01:06:20
like I know it's wrong for us to wish for death, but these are
01:06:24
fictional characters so I don't feel bad about it.
01:06:26
I was like die bitch, die. This is why people don't want to
01:06:31
walk in people's shoes, because they can't handle it.
01:06:34
No. And and.
01:06:35
You couldn't handle it for 2 minutes.
01:06:37
For two, you've been doing that crap to E Gwen for how long?
01:06:41
Right. And you can handle it.
01:06:43
Probably weeks at this point. And you can handle it for 2
01:06:47
minutes. No, just like the other chick,
01:06:50
wouldn't that wouldn't I need? Oh, she was she was done with
01:06:54
soon as I need put it on. Oh, take it off, take it off.
01:06:56
It was it was like Gollum. It was like Gollum when they had
01:07:01
wrapped Gollum up in the in the room.
01:07:09
But she literally she she lets Rena hang.
01:07:13
Rena dies and then of course her, you know, all of that comes
01:07:18
off the cuff, comes off. E Gwen turns around.
01:07:21
She sinks to her knees. And then all of a sudden you
01:07:23
hear E Gwen, E Gwen. And she's like, I know, I hear
01:07:27
this voice, I know I'm going to see him.
01:07:29
But she probably was thinking it was going to be a dream again.
01:07:32
She turns around and there's Ran.
01:07:34
Yeah. OK.
01:07:34
Before, before we move forward, before we move forward, quick
01:07:38
notes. So they simplified something
01:07:42
from the book that that in channelling you have you're born
01:07:48
to be like a channeler or you can learn to channel And I I
01:07:53
don't want to confuse y'all too much, but that's something that
01:07:56
is a thing in the book and that's what E Gwen figures out.
01:08:00
She figures out that the Sudams, they can't necessarily channel,
01:08:04
but they're women who can learn to channel and and they
01:08:09
simplified it by just saying that they're just really weak.
01:08:13
And I do like that change because it it does make it a bit
01:08:16
more simple and not as complicated.
01:08:18
It's kind of like the difference between being a a wizard and a a
01:08:21
a squib or something. Similar, yeah.
01:08:26
Like, because you can't. You can't achieve squibs to be
01:08:28
Wizards. Right.
01:08:30
But imagine if you could teach them to do and that's that's
01:08:34
what school dogs are you. You don't see them, but like
01:08:39
they don't go with the ability to channel, but they have the
01:08:42
they have the ability to learn how to channel.
01:08:45
And they can see the weaves. And that's how that's how Iguane
01:08:47
figured it out, because she was like, yeah, I realize you can
01:08:50
see the weaves. Right, right.
01:08:54
So, and there was and there was probably through practice being
01:08:58
able to see the weaves. Yeah, but either way it goes,
01:09:02
Rena is dead. I'm so glad because I was like,
01:09:06
that bitch needs. She needs it.
01:09:08
Yeah. I was ready.
01:09:09
For this new Wayne thought that that ran, I was fully expecting
01:09:13
him to say, no, I'm real, I'm actually here.
01:09:16
But I guess he didn't have to say.
01:09:18
Yeah, so, but I mean, and and you know, he does apologize to
01:09:23
her. And he was like, look, I know I
01:09:27
should have told you, but I thought it was better this way.
01:09:30
And she's just still looking at him like he's alive.
01:09:33
He's he's right in front of me. They get ready to leave and this
01:09:36
is when they're confronted by Ishmael.
01:09:38
Of course, she tries to use the one power against him, but he
01:09:41
kind of knocks her out. He knocks ran to the to his
01:09:44
knees. And then, like I said, the
01:09:46
demonic out on the ocean. They are they're channeling to
01:09:52
shield him. So there's this big
01:09:54
confrontation. And then again, Matt comes up,
01:09:58
sees them talking, throws the spear.
01:10:00
He ends up hitting Ran. So he's over there with Ran and
01:10:04
Ishmael is about to I I don't know what he's about to do, send
01:10:08
up a signal so that they can gentle Rand or whatever.
01:10:12
And he gets ready to walk towards them and he he throws
01:10:16
like some power and it's shielded.
01:10:18
He was like, how did you do this?
01:10:19
Because he was thinking Rand did it and he was like, how did you
01:10:22
do that? And then here comes the Gwen.
01:10:24
Gwen is pissed. I was like, Oh, he got to get
01:10:27
the full fledge of her power. And when I say I was so
01:10:30
surprised because I know Anthony, you kind of gave us a
01:10:32
little bit of a, not necessarily a spoiler a couple of episodes
01:10:36
ago, but you did say that E Gwen ends up being one of the people
01:10:39
who can kind of hold her own with the Forsaken.
01:10:43
And she demonstrates this very much on this particular scene
01:10:50
because she's holding up a shield and Ishmael is throwing
01:10:54
everything he can at it and the shield is holding.
01:10:57
Yeah, well, they they keep telling us over and over again.
01:11:01
Egwane, Naive and Elaine are the three most powerful channelers
01:11:06
we've seen in 1000 years I. Mean well, they don't save that
01:11:12
the whole 1000. Years, but except for with.
01:11:15
Naive, but yeah. Like Elaine is the most is the
01:11:18
strongest novice they've had in the top right.
01:11:21
Naive and Egwane are two of the strongest channels they've ever
01:11:24
seen, and Naive is probably the strongest for. 1000 years.
01:11:28
So they're clearly telling us that Elaine and even Iguain are
01:11:33
extremely powerful. They just don't know how to
01:11:37
they, they just don't really know anything yet.
01:11:40
But thanks to Iguain's training as a Damani, she knows some
01:11:47
stuff now. She has learned some things and
01:11:52
and she threw that shield up pretty freaking quickly.
01:11:55
You see when she. Whipped her dress back.
01:11:57
She stood in front of me. She was.
01:11:59
Like yes, I was like, OK, you done pissed her off now.
01:12:03
I mean, and there was like there's these moments where you
01:12:06
see it with all of them. Like I said with Rand, it was
01:12:10
when he saw a Gwen walking and she had the she had the ball gag
01:12:13
in her mouth. You could see his face change
01:12:16
like, oh, you've pissed me off pairing when he saw Hopper die,
01:12:21
that was his moment. That was his oh, you didn't piss
01:12:24
me off. And then like Masane, when, you
01:12:27
know, when you see Ingtar die, he's like, oh, OK, yeah, I'm
01:12:30
about to whoop some ass. The IU women, they didn't need a
01:12:34
they didn't need a pissed off. They're just like, oh, we just
01:12:36
ready to fight. They're like the Hulk.
01:12:38
They walk around pissed off. Right.
01:12:39
They're like, oh fight, yes, let's go Matt.
01:12:44
I think his moment came when Pat and fame underestimated him.
01:12:51
You sit here teasing him with this dagger and you're like,
01:12:54
yeah, you're going to fail and you're going to do this mess.
01:12:56
Like, I got something for you. You see it with all of them, you
01:13:01
know, like we said early in the episode, and I need you see it
01:13:04
with, with the, with the girl because she's just like, OK,
01:13:08
look, I'm so tired of y'all. I'm so tired of what y'all done
01:13:11
to my friends. I'm, I'm, I'm tired of all of
01:13:12
this. I'm just, I give me my people so
01:13:14
I can go home, you know? But you see Egg Wayne with the
01:13:19
shield, and then she starts getting weak, she starts getting
01:13:23
overpowered. She turns around, she tells Ran.
01:13:25
She's like, I'm sorry. And as soon as the shield is
01:13:28
about to go down, here comes pairing with Uno's shield
01:13:32
because of course, Uno jumps into the battle at the at the
01:13:34
bottom when parent is trying to work his way to the tower, he
01:13:39
looks at parent. He was like, don't be surprised
01:13:42
that I'm a hero of the horn and he gives parent his shield.
01:13:45
And I was really surprised about that because I know that they
01:13:49
are. I know that they are are there,
01:13:53
they materialize and they can actually fight.
01:13:55
But for him to be able to give his shield to parent and parent
01:13:58
actually be able to use it, I was kind of surprised at that.
01:14:01
I was like, oh, that's a very useful skill to be able to do.
01:14:05
But then here, you know, like I said, here comes parent and Gwen
01:14:08
is like parent, hey, I'm here and Rand is sitting here looking
01:14:12
like, oh, there's a Gwen, there's parent.
01:14:14
I got mad like, and then he's like 19 is coming too.
01:14:19
Then here comes 19 and Elaine. And I was just like, oh, the
01:14:22
band's back together again. And, and Shamel is about to die.
01:14:25
He he really is about to die. And in the midst of all this,
01:14:30
Elaine, she heals Rand. Speaking of which, that wound
01:14:37
looked like what do you call The thing is Star Wars that ate that
01:14:44
that that swallowed from Yes, yes, that's yes.
01:14:49
That's what Rand's wound looked. It looked like the Sarlacc or it
01:14:53
looked like the the little sand worms from Doom.
01:14:56
It looked gross. That wound looked like it had
01:15:00
teeth. It was nasty.
01:15:03
It was nasty. But Elaine, she she mends it and
01:15:09
again, it's I hate to say it, I really hate to say it.
01:15:13
It was just kind of like everybody was doing their part
01:15:15
and I leave was just there. It just OK, so whatever they
01:15:23
what they did for Matt in this episode, for this season, you
01:15:27
know, they they have his his come up moment.
01:15:29
I need that to happen for not even next season because stop
01:15:35
telling us she's the most powerful Chandler in the last
01:15:37
1000 years if y'all are not going to give us anything.
01:15:43
It might, like I say, it might be a minute because she's just
01:15:47
too. They've hyped her up to where
01:15:50
she's just too powerful. I mean people literally believe
01:15:54
that she brought land back from the dead.
01:15:56
Like he was on death's door. He was on death's door.
01:16:00
And she brought his ass back to life.
01:16:03
He did. So I'm one of those people.
01:16:06
They, they, they have to, they have to dial her back, you know,
01:16:10
they put a cap on her until it's time.
01:16:13
Then they'll they'll they'll pop it open.
01:16:15
Yeah, I guess. But while they're doing all this
01:16:18
stuff on the tower, of course, like we said, Moraine is down on
01:16:22
the beach with land. They're fighting the well, he's
01:16:25
fighting the soldiers. She was disabling, or let's be
01:16:29
honest, she was killing the demonic and Lady Surath and all
01:16:34
of them that was on the boats. And then she realizes, you know,
01:16:38
the whole prophecy about the the dragon will claim herself.
01:16:42
What in banners of fire above, from above the wall above the
01:16:48
watchers. And it's like she has a light
01:16:52
bulb moment while she's there. She was like, oh, this is what
01:16:57
I'm supposed to do. And she, you know, she channels,
01:17:01
she puts that fire going towards the tower and then the fire that
01:17:05
she ignite it to, the boats also join that fire and it becomes
01:17:09
this big dragon and it circles the tower and it lays over Rand.
01:17:13
And I was like, OK, this is kind of corny, but it's kind of cool
01:17:16
as well. I said lift the dragon up till
01:17:21
here. I'll make a dragon.
01:17:23
It's like, like like she's making making like a shadow
01:17:25
dragon. Like, all right, I'm here.
01:17:28
I'm here. But I love the fact that, OK,
01:17:32
Rand, yes, he he's the he's the Dragon reborn.
01:17:35
He's on top of the tower. Everybody in farm is cheering
01:17:40
because here's the omen right here.
01:17:42
The the Dragon Reborn is here. Yay, things will, I don't know,
01:17:47
get fixed. He'll break the I, I at this
01:17:50
point, I don't know, but everybody's happy at this point.
01:17:53
But I love the fact that his friends are there on the tower
01:17:56
with him. But it also makes me wonder
01:17:59
because if you think about what has been said about Ishmael and
01:18:03
land, fear and lose and all of them, like they were really
01:18:06
close friends too. And then they ended up turning
01:18:09
to the dark. And I know that that's what they
01:18:13
were trying to do with Rand and his friends.
01:18:16
They were trying to turn everybody else to the dark in
01:18:18
order to get Rand to turn to the dark.
01:18:21
None of them took the bait. Like none of them.
01:18:23
Yeah, they all did some things. They killed.
01:18:26
And I will say this too. I'm paren made me.
01:18:31
I don't know if I should say laugh when I'm when I'm
01:18:34
describing him killing someone, but the fact that he double
01:18:37
tapped, he was so pissed off that that dude killed Hopper.
01:18:42
He struck him not once, but twice.
01:18:45
He struck him in the chest when he was standing up.
01:18:47
And then old dude fell on the ground and he struck him again.
01:18:50
Like, I just want to make sure you understand how mad I am that
01:18:53
you killed my my wolf. But Rand is the dragon.
01:19:03
His friends are there. Nobody turned to the dark, and
01:19:09
then it looks like Landfair might have some problems on her
01:19:11
hands now. Oh my God I would.
01:19:16
That freaked me out. Where were you about to say,
01:19:20
Anthony? I was going to say Landfair was
01:19:23
trying to get her buddy to take the seals and dump them in the
01:19:26
ocean. Yes, Master Dolman, I was like,
01:19:31
oh, here you are, just like, how are you over here?
01:19:34
But I forgot. I was like, OK, well he would be
01:19:36
on this side of town, but he was like, Lady Celine, you are a
01:19:40
long way from Karen. What you doing here?
01:19:43
But he's like, why? Why You still here?
01:19:46
Our battle is going on, right? This is not a place for a lady
01:19:49
like you. She's like, oh, I'm good.
01:19:52
Yeah, right. But when?
01:19:54
You see how she been manipulating things behind
01:19:56
scenes? Yeah, because they're like, how
01:19:59
did you get the horn? Oh, a nice lady from Karen gave
01:20:03
us the horn up to skip the horn. I wonder who helped him get the
01:20:08
horn? Yep.
01:20:12
She's walking around. Yeah, and it's so it's crazy
01:20:15
because I I look, I forgot to mention when we were talking
01:20:21
about the Tower and Rand and all them.
01:20:23
Oh yeah, Ishmael is dead. Rand definitely did kill him and
01:20:28
he. He appears to be dead.
01:20:29
He appears to be dead. You, don't you?
01:20:32
You think he's still 'cause I, I felt like the way that they
01:20:36
were, the way that they played that scene with him, you know,
01:20:40
saying, oh, it's beautiful. And, and Ram was like, what do
01:20:44
you see? He said nothing.
01:20:45
And then he just kind of dusted away like, you know, Thanos
01:20:50
snapped him. I was like, OK, maybe he's
01:20:52
really dead, dead now. But I, I mean, I guess I kind of
01:20:56
feel like that will also be too easy for him.
01:21:00
That's too easy. Yeah, so he has to be dead,
01:21:04
dead, dead. That's.
01:21:06
What? Yeah, well, how how I I would
01:21:08
just say I would think, and this is not, this doesn't have
01:21:12
anything to do with the the books in the show.
01:21:15
Patting the fame is like, how are we going to deal with land
01:21:18
fear? The Dark One gave her eternal
01:21:20
life, right? Why wouldn't he do the same
01:21:24
thing to Shameo if he's his number one Lieutenant?
01:21:31
I'm, I'm just, I'm just asking a question.
01:21:33
Why? Why would?
01:21:34
He why would? He give land fear, why would he
01:21:37
make her able to come back from the dead but not Shamir?
01:21:42
Maybe because he knows that Ishamael doesn't want to come
01:21:46
back. If they've done this, if they've
01:21:50
done this infinite number of times, he keeps coming back and
01:21:54
he keeps saying he said it several times during the
01:21:57
episode. Well, if I miss this one, I get
01:22:00
another chance. Yeah.
01:22:02
Yeah, this just a shout out to the writers for kind of for, for
01:22:09
making the show their own, because at the end of the Eye of
01:22:13
the World, you guys never asked me what what was the eye of the
01:22:16
world, right? Because in the show, the eye of
01:22:19
the world was just the seal, right?
01:22:22
The eye of the world in the book was actually a pool of a
01:22:27
repository of untainted Sidin or Sidar whatever the man can
01:22:34
channel. Oh OK it was a pool of power of
01:22:38
1 powerful man that was saved that was not tainted.
01:22:43
Also that was there was the horn of the Lear and also the dragon
01:22:48
banner that Lewis Theron used to go around with a big banner that
01:22:52
had the dragon on it. OK so the prophecy was that the
01:22:56
banner will be flown and formed and the dragon would declare
01:23:02
himself. So in the book, he has a fight
01:23:05
with Ishamiya or Baltimore, whatever his name was, and they
01:23:13
have a physical and a metaphysical confrontation where
01:23:17
the witnesses who were the the people of farm, the Sean Chan
01:23:23
and the White cooks see him in the sky.
01:23:28
See the two of them, the light in the dark, fighting in the
01:23:31
literal sky above fall and and Uno takes the banner, strings it
01:23:41
up and flies the banner. And so it was like, Oh my God,
01:23:44
it's the Dragon Reborn. Gotcha.
01:23:48
So that that that is how it happens in the book.
01:23:51
So it's interesting that they did it this way because we
01:23:56
didn't get the banner being flown.
01:24:00
You know, we didn't get the pool of sardine or whatever.
01:24:04
It's a little different. And we didn't get the battle in
01:24:07
the sky, which, you know, I can tell you a lot of our book fans
01:24:10
were hoping to see. But the effects with that would
01:24:14
just be too crazy. And.
01:24:17
Then it wouldn't really make any sense either.
01:24:20
Now, I would have expected more of a battle between him and
01:24:25
Ishmael, but maybe we'll get it later.
01:24:28
And and I can see it seems that the girls have gotten a lot more
01:24:36
moments than Rand. I mean, Rand had.
01:24:39
This was like the first time we saw Rand do something, you know,
01:24:43
he killed. That was the first time other
01:24:46
than just, you know. Flashbacks of him.
01:24:49
Using flashbacks of him using a challenge.
01:24:54
So, you know, we call them hero moments.
01:24:56
We didn't really see his hero moments until we saw the
01:24:58
flashbacks here. He got a hero moment that we got
01:25:02
to solve, but then he really doesn't save himself.
01:25:06
He doesn't save Wayne. They basically save him.
01:25:09
They all save him. Yeah, I noticed that.
01:25:12
They save him. So I don't know.
01:25:14
And I I can see why some people who are fans of the book were
01:25:17
having an issue with it, because the battle that he has with
01:25:22
Ishmael in the book is supposed to be an epic confrontation and.
01:25:28
Maybe we'll get that in the third season.
01:25:30
You know, first season Ishmael kind of, you know, took Rand
01:25:35
down. And then this one Rand kind of
01:25:37
took him down. So maybe, maybe they were just
01:25:39
like, OK, let's just level the playing field before.
01:25:41
But that's how. But that's how he declares sense
01:25:44
of dragon. They see this epic battle
01:25:46
between the light and the dark and the sky, and he wins.
01:25:50
And then they see the dragon banner.
01:25:52
Well, no, here he actually doesn't really have a battle
01:25:57
with Ishmael. Gwaine does, right?
01:26:01
And parent and Moraine flies a fire dragon around the building,
01:26:08
and I guess they all think, oh, he's a no.
01:26:10
I don't know. It doesn't.
01:26:12
It doesn't quite feel right. OK.
01:26:15
But I guess we'll go with it into Season 3.
01:26:19
Well you like you're liking season 3 so.
01:26:21
Far I know they they made-up for it for the most part, but it
01:26:26
watching this episode again it called as many good moments as
01:26:31
it had it. It reminded me of why there was
01:26:35
so much of the show I didn't like.
01:26:37
OK. Yeah, there.
01:26:38
There was so much of the show I didn't like, and a lot of it had
01:26:41
to do with like Mike picks up on is all the stuff we ran is just
01:26:46
is just bothersome. The character is bothersome.
01:26:49
The things he does or doesn't do is just is irritating.
01:26:53
You know, not an Eve. Everything with her is
01:26:56
irritating. The change they made in Matt is
01:26:59
irritating. And it's almost as if they tried
01:27:03
to fix some of those things in this last episode.
01:27:07
They tried to fix it all at one time.
01:27:11
Yeah. Yeah.
01:27:12
I don't know, I don't know if y'all, I don't know if Mike
01:27:14
feels that way, but it's it's like a lot of the characters
01:27:17
that we didn't like and had issues with.
01:27:20
They tried to make us like him in the last episode.
01:27:23
Except except Nan Eve. Yeah, he's the only one.
01:27:27
Yeah. I mean, they made a good job of
01:27:29
making Rand seem strong. They made they finally gave Matt
01:27:32
a purpose. And it's like, but growing Nanny
01:27:36
Eve is in the heat of it. She can't do anything about it.
01:27:40
But none of that. OK, tell tell us about about the
01:27:43
little creepy girl who put who put land fear in a web and
01:27:48
scared shit out of her. Right, 'cause land fear she was,
01:27:53
she was trying to play that hard role.
01:27:57
But who is this? Yeah, who is this?
01:27:59
This this creepy girl at the end.
01:28:03
Morganian, one of the Forsaken the Spider.
01:28:07
She, yeah, she seemed like she going to be a problem for
01:28:12
Landfair or she going to be a problem for everybody.
01:28:16
Everybody. Remember, everybody had all of
01:28:20
the Isodive who became Forsaken had their reasons for turning to
01:28:24
the Dark End, some of them not so good.
01:28:28
Yeah, yeah. Some of them not so good.
01:28:32
'Cause the way Landfair looked when she walked into Ishimel's
01:28:36
room and she looked and saw the, I guess that those were the
01:28:40
prisons, when she saw them broken, her face was like, oh
01:28:46
shit. And then when she realized oh,
01:28:48
girl was sitting in the chair, it's almost like she kind of
01:28:51
tried to collect herself and, and, and be, you know, the, the
01:28:57
fearless Landfair. But no, she, that girl made
01:29:03
Landfill feel feel the last part of her name a lot because she
01:29:10
was like, yeah, Ishmael knew you were going to betray him.
01:29:14
So he let us out early and she was like, where the rest of the
01:29:18
Fort taken? I don't know.
01:29:21
I was just like, oh, this is not good, 'cause not only did he let
01:29:25
them out, we don't know where they are.
01:29:30
They could be doing. Yeah, they, yeah, yeah, they're,
01:29:36
they're going to be wreaking havoc all over the place.
01:29:38
That's. What?
01:29:39
That's what. But you know, Lanfear Moraine
01:29:42
did kind of hint at it earlier because he was like, well, why
01:29:46
did he let Lanfear out Well, and not the others?
01:29:51
Because they're all dangerous and they fought amongst each
01:29:54
other more than they fought loose therein.
01:29:57
Because they were always vying for power.
01:30:02
Power in in position. Yeah.
01:30:04
And the other thing she mentioned was she said
01:30:06
everything that she could find out basically tells her that
01:30:10
Lewis, Theron, Lanfair and Ishmael were all best friends.
01:30:15
Like, they were inseparable. And Lamb was like, just like
01:30:19
these five kids. And Maria was like, Yep, Yep,
01:30:25
Yep. I was like, OK.
01:30:28
He's just like her, like just playing with these spider webs
01:30:31
and just saying softly, softly through the shadows.
01:30:34
That's what you used to say about me.
01:30:36
I was like, oh, God, uh huh. Snacking out.
01:30:39
No, I was expecting her to, like, start crawling through my
01:30:42
calling, through my phone when I was watching it at work.
01:30:43
I was like, Nah, no. The the thing about Mageddian is
01:30:47
she's probably the weakest of the Forsaken, but she might be
01:30:52
the most dangerous. 'Cause that bitch is scary.
01:30:57
No, no. What?
01:30:58
What was it? She said She is.
01:31:01
From the shadows I was like just the voice alone.
01:31:07
I will say she is the most dangerous of the Forsaken, the
01:31:12
weakest, but the most dangerous. And she told Lynn she was like,
01:31:17
leave him alone, he's ours now. I was like, oh, And then what
01:31:22
was it? Landfill said.
01:31:23
She was like, light be with you, Rand.
01:31:25
Yeah, he looks like he might. He might need it because.
01:31:30
I don't know where, I don't know what their motivation is going
01:31:33
to be in the in the in the show, but we know that which one call
01:31:41
it's motivation. It's Shammel.
01:31:43
He wants to break the wheel because she wants to be in the
01:31:45
suffering. I think the only reason why the
01:31:50
others want Rand is because they're trying to gain favor
01:31:53
with the Dark One. They don't.
01:31:55
They don't care about breaking the wheel.
01:31:58
They just want. They just want the number one
01:32:00
position and whoever can deliver Rand will give the number one
01:32:04
position. OK.
01:32:05
So they they might think if it's similar to the book, that that
01:32:08
motivation is kind of different. OK.
01:32:13
So, OK, so just to be clear, the dark one, his goal is to break
01:32:22
the wheel, meaning that everything that they've been
01:32:27
cycling over the last several thousand years, he wants it to
01:32:31
stop. He wants.
01:32:32
No, the the Dark One wants to be free of his prison.
01:32:35
Oh, OK, OK, so who? It's somebody.
01:32:40
In Chambe OK, he wants to break the wheel 'cause he's tired of
01:32:43
doing the same thing over and over again.
01:32:46
But the Dark One is trying to get out of his prison.
01:32:49
OK, And so the the dragon. Well, I, I, I guess get out of
01:32:55
prison so he can he can, I guess.
01:32:59
Yeah. He he also want he wants to
01:33:01
break the wheel before a different reason.
01:33:03
OK. The Dark one wants to destroy
01:33:05
the wheel for the the Dark one is chaos.
01:33:07
The wheel is order. Oh, OK, that's that's the very
01:33:13
Yeah, yes, yes. And so the Dragon Reborn is
01:33:16
basically he's the he's the tipping scale.
01:33:18
He can go this way or he can go that way, Yeah, but it just all
01:33:22
depends on the character of whoever the dragon is in
01:33:27
whatever particular lifetime that he that he comes around.
01:33:31
OK, OK, so either. Generally speaking, yes.
01:33:38
So the way that this is going, either Rand will keep to the
01:33:44
light, hopefully with the help of his friends, or he'll go to
01:33:51
the Dark and either become enemies with his friends or his
01:33:58
friends will also go to the dark.
01:34:00
Those are kind of like the options.
01:34:04
Stir. I I'm just trying to figure out
01:34:09
because obviously one of the themes in the show is about
01:34:14
friendship because, you know, we, we hear them talk about it
01:34:20
with Lamphere, Ishmael and, and the dark one.
01:34:23
And you kind of even see what this one like.
01:34:25
OK, so Lamphere and Ishmael, they looked like they were
01:34:29
close. They had a, a very strong
01:34:33
connection. And yet she still betrayed him
01:34:37
for Rand or for Lose, however you want to look at it.
01:34:41
So it's kind of like, OK, so what's going to happen with
01:34:44
these friends? Are they all going to stick
01:34:46
together? Will they be?
01:34:48
Will there be things that end up dividing them?
01:34:52
And it's just kind of interesting to kind of think of
01:34:57
where this might go. And again, you know, with all of
01:35:01
the stuff that goes on in the Wheel of Time, there's still a
01:35:05
lot for me to learn. So I don't know all the
01:35:07
insurance and outs and how the school.
01:35:09
I will say all of the above and none of the above, OK?
01:35:15
Great. That that's how all that works
01:35:17
out, All of the above and then of the above, yeah.
01:35:25
OK, so basically just with this show, just don't try to theorize
01:35:29
anything. Don't try to guess anything.
01:35:31
Just kind of, you know. Let's go with it.
01:35:34
Let's go with the. Flow.
01:35:35
Yeah, I I was going to say, you have, you have experienced this
01:35:41
before in Harry Potter, because what what kept Harry Potter from
01:35:50
when was it the Order of the Phoenix when Voldemort was
01:35:54
trying to take him over? And what's the difference
01:35:58
between him and Voldemort? Yeah, he has he, he has friends,
01:36:03
he has support system. Right, he has.
01:36:05
People who love him, right? Yeah.
01:36:08
OK. Yeah.
01:36:09
And this and this is it's, it's a very similar idea with with
01:36:14
how Randy is in the will of time.
01:36:17
OK. You know, they, yeah, I will say
01:36:21
they, they happily followed him. That especially parent, they
01:36:27
don't, they don't happily follow him at at some point, but they
01:36:32
do, you know, it is his Tavarian nature and their Tavarian nature
01:36:38
sort of and the fact that they grew up together, it pulls them
01:36:42
together. OK, yeah, yeah.
01:36:46
And then there's Elaine. And I'm just kind of wondering
01:36:49
how she's going to fit in all this.
01:36:50
But I'm not going to ask because I already see your face.
01:36:52
Your face is already giving it away and then you're going to
01:36:57
take a sip so I OK you. See my?
01:37:00
You see my name? I'm trying.
01:37:02
I'm really trying. No spoilers.
01:37:06
OK, Did we skip anything in this episode I think we talked about
01:37:14
at all? Yeah, because I think the plan
01:37:18
he, Ishamael, did say the plan was, was to get him to turn by
01:37:25
showing that his choices are making his friends turn and what
01:37:29
we have to save them is to turn. And technically speaking, they,
01:37:35
I mean, I guess if you want to, if you want to look at it
01:37:37
technically, I guess you could say it Dwayne has taken a step
01:37:43
because she has killed someone parent has taken a step because
01:37:48
he has killed someone parent and killed a lot of people.
01:37:51
But, you know, as far as like willingly killing people.
01:37:55
Yeah, but but it seems like you're you're doing the Ishmael
01:37:58
thing. You're kind of twisting the
01:37:59
truth. No, I'm not, I'm not saying that
01:38:02
they're turning towards the dark.
01:38:04
What? But what I'm saying is if you
01:38:06
think about what most people would consider being dark or a
01:38:11
dark, you know, an action that could make a person turn dark,
01:38:16
those are things that could start the process.
01:38:19
And I mean, Ishmael even says something similar to Rand.
01:38:23
He was like, yeah, He was like, look at.
01:38:25
He was like, what about her? You left her in the.
01:38:28
Band. You made her kill her A.
01:38:29
Murderer. Yeah, and he's also already told
01:38:33
Matt they look at you. You're already a killer in a
01:38:37
murder. You're dark.
01:38:38
Who? Who would even want you?
01:38:39
Yeah, he's already done that to Matt.
01:38:42
You know, he's already told Parent.
01:38:43
Parent. You don't really care about
01:38:45
anything, do you? Yeah, yeah.
01:38:48
He's he's trying to intentionally push them all in
01:38:52
in to make it make them think they're going to that side.
01:38:57
Right, but he OK, I will say this too.
01:39:00
I did notice at the end of the episode when when all of all
01:39:06
five of them are up on the tower after everything has happened,
01:39:10
Ran has basically, you know been proclaimed as the dragon.
01:39:16
I didn't notice that parents eyes look like the wolf eyes and
01:39:20
not his regular eyes which is interesting because usually that
01:39:24
only comes out he's. Not a werewolf.
01:39:27
I, I know, I know I'm not the, I'm not the one.
01:39:30
You have to commit to that. But I was just thinking about
01:39:34
the fact that Ishmael had said that when parent gets the farm,
01:39:38
he'll be more wolf than man. And you notice that, you know,
01:39:43
like I said, usually his eyes are just the regular dark eyes.
01:39:48
But then I guess and I got to go back and look and see if it was
01:39:52
like that consistently from the time Hopper died.
01:39:55
But I just thought it was interesting that they were in a
01:39:59
period of at this point calm because Ishmael had died.
01:40:04
There was no more fighting. Rand has just been proclaimed.
01:40:08
Like they were actually just kind of chilling on the tower at
01:40:11
that moment, looking at everybody chilling, cheering and
01:40:15
parents eyes are gold. I just thought that that was
01:40:18
very interesting, so. Yeah, I know he's not a
01:40:22
werewolf. I'm not the one who who keeps
01:40:25
proclaiming werewolf. I mean, he's on everything but
01:40:29
be hairy. So, I mean, you know, there's
01:40:31
you. Really.
01:40:32
Have you seen his hair? I.
01:40:35
Mean, I mean all over Harry, like, you know, like all up in
01:40:38
here. Yeah, no transformations that
01:40:41
we've seen. So OK Mike, I'm sure you have
01:40:45
some shout outs for this final episode of the season.
01:40:49
Yeah, shout, shout out to Salden's assistant who's like
01:40:54
oh, he's dead. Oh fuck.
01:40:57
And kills himself. Kills it, kills him, his,
01:40:59
herself. Oh, her ex voice.
01:41:02
Yeah. What?
01:41:04
What was it that he said? He said from birth, From birth
01:41:07
to death I serve. Something like that.
01:41:11
Yeah, I was just like, dude, you could have just.
01:41:15
No, I'm not service Nope serve, but like services services ended
01:41:20
yeah I'll I'll say it's been addiction like I'll be with you.
01:41:23
I'm out ain't doing all that. I don't think I have any other
01:41:29
shout outs. This was this was by far of the
01:41:32
series since I haven't seen 3 yet, but so far this has been
01:41:35
the best episode to me like a whole series.
01:41:37
I think I think Lena, like of the two seasons, this is this
01:41:41
was a great 1. And I think that going forward,
01:41:46
this is definitely gonna be is it?
01:41:49
I mean, I think they've like Anthony said, they've kind of
01:41:53
done they're doing their own thing now with the show as
01:41:55
opposed to trying to stay completely faithful, faithful to
01:41:58
the book. And I mean, it could be good,
01:42:01
could be bad, but I mean, so far, I mean, I really, I
01:42:05
definitely like the arc that they've changed a few people
01:42:08
like especially, especially Matt Coffin, since I am I am now now
01:42:12
the president of his fan club. I can't wait to see what they
01:42:15
have, what else they do with him.
01:42:16
I'm I'm I'm more amenable to Rand because I think that
01:42:24
they've done a lot more to round his charac to like kind of give
01:42:30
him like he he just, he just seems better now for some
01:42:35
reason. Like it it to me.
01:42:37
Like I I I feel like I feel like he's yeah, he's a better
01:42:43
character now. I mean, I'll probably change my
01:42:44
mind once at once. They get they start walking
01:42:47
again and something else happens.
01:42:49
I was going to be like, here we go again with the whining and
01:42:52
the pining and all this other stuff.
01:42:55
I mean, but but yeah, I like, I like my hand in this, in this,
01:42:59
in this episode. So we'll see how it goes.
01:43:01
But yeah, I mean, and the episodes don't don't seem as
01:43:04
long as the first episode of the season did.
01:43:07
And I'm happy about that. This episode had a shorter
01:43:10
runtime. You know, I'll be having
01:43:12
episodes. I'm glad.
01:43:14
I'm glad they cut that shit down.
01:43:15
It did I'm. Really happy about that.
01:43:18
I mean, it, it was, it was very action-packed so it didn't feel
01:43:21
like a short episode. So yeah.
01:43:25
But so sweet. We're finally done with Season 2
01:43:30
like Anthony said. Thank you to all the listeners
01:43:34
who have stuck with us in this very late review.
01:43:38
We promised we would try to stay on top of it for the next
01:43:41
season. Season 3 has already started
01:43:44
there. What is it?
01:43:45
5 episodes already. Buckle up, buttercup.
01:43:49
Yeah, I think one of our one of our new listeners on YouTube
01:43:53
said the same thing said oh I can't wait till y'all get to
01:43:56
episode season 3, especially episode. 4.
01:43:59
Which is, which is the episode that you said kind of changed
01:44:02
your trajectory of your thinking, right?
01:44:05
Yes, ma'am. It's like they're like they're
01:44:08
like 3 or 4 people already who talked about episode 4.
01:44:10
Like that shit changes everything like.
01:44:13
Yeah, changes everything. OK, alright, well I guess for
01:44:20
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