#thewheeloftime Rand goes before the Amyrlin Seat, who disagrees with Moiraine about how to handle the Dragon Reborn. House Damodred is rocked by a huge betrayal. Egwene makes a show of her power as a Damane, but has a warning for Renna. Aviendha reunites with allies as she and Perrin head towards Falme. Mat finds himself in an unexpected place. Nynaeve and Elayne have a plan to get to the Kennels. Lan figures out how to help Moiraine. Moiraine loses a trusted ally.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike, and we are discussing the Season 2
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penultimate episode of The Wheel of Time.
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We're almost at the end guys. Now we used we can get ready to
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start prepping for Season 3. Yes, and and shout out to all
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the listeners who stayed with us through this.
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Yes, we. Appreciate you.
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We do, We really do. So let's get into this episode
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because I have questions. The episode starts out with a
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flashback from 20 years ago of Morena Sawan's relationship.
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And, you know, it's so interesting because they're all
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young and they're carefree and they're talking about their
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future and how they're going to be together.
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The question that I have is this, in this particular clip,
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they don't seem to be hiding their relationship.
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So I'm assuming that at that time, you know, of course,
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because Sawan wasn't the ambulance seat, there was
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nothing for them to hide. So my question is not 20 years
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later, do people know that they were actually a couple back then
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or was this just a carefree like we're we're the only two people
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walking on this balcony so we can be a little bit more open?
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I mean, for all intents and purposes for the show, the
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relationship is more than whether it is sort of portrayed
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in the book. In the books, I mean they're
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well known pillow friends, but there were a lot of pillow
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friends. OK.
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So it wasn't like it wasn't, it wasn't unknown that they were
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pillow friends. But what?
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Based on the time Robert Jordan was writing the books, the
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editors wouldn't necessarily let him explicitly say.
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That they were lovers. OK, 'cause I, I, I guess I'm
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just wondering, like not even thinking about the books, but in
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the show, I think that would explain a lot of people's
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dislike of Moraine as far as the Isodai sisters go, because they
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could think that, oh, OK, you know what, they used to have a
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relationship. And so she, she shows favoritism
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to Moraine. And if you think about like the
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conversations that they've, that we've heard in the first season
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where, you know, it's like, oh, Moraine spends too much time
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away from the tower. She doesn't have the I guess the
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restraints like some of the other isodisces just do and I
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was just wondering if that relationship with Swan kind of
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plays into that. No, I think, I think I would say
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that that's sort of not necessarily accurate because
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Moraine's issue, if it really is an issue, is with the Blues, you
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know, with Swan is the Armorland.
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She doesn't have any control over what they do now.
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full-fledged eyes to die, who isn't a sitter can go and come
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and go as she pleases. Maureen spends a lot of time
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away, so they can't really be accused of, she can't really be
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accused of favoritism towards Maureen when the Blues, if they
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wanted to stay there, they could make her stay there.
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OK. You you.
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Does that make sense? Yes, and.
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So, but but they're not. Again, the reason why she
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doesn't become a sitter is so she has the freedom to do what
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their plan is, which is to go out and find the dragon.
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Right. So that's what she's been doing.
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She's been out for years at a time, not being back at the
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tower. OK, this leads into my other
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question and I'm I can't remember what the Izodai's name
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is the the sitter of the blue Asha who is now a Damani.
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When she was at the tower in the first season and she was trying
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to get Moraine to stay. She was like I need you here at
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the tower because of some unrest, not a think about it,
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some unrest in the West, blah blah blah blah blah.
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And then Moraine found a way to like, not have to stay at the
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tower. Yeah, she gets exiled.
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Yeah, if she was at the tower, would she have at that time
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become the sitter like I, I still don't understand.
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What I I think that's when she was, if I remember, because, you
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know, I don't go back and rewatch these things anymore.
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I think at the time she was yeah.
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I think she was telling her that she was going to have to be at
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the sitter. She was going to have to take
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her place or. Something OK, OK.
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All right, so, OK, that answers a couple of my questions, 'cause
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I'm like, OK, I'm still trying to figure out how this thing
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works, especially when it comes to the isodine in the tower,
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because there it's like there's so many components to it and
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it's just like, OK, I OK, I'm going to keep track here, keep
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track here. But it's just a whole bunch of
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stuff. But OK, going back to the scene,
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going back to the show, like I said, we see Sawant and Moraine,
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they're sitting there, they're being flirting with each other.
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They're talking about their futures.
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They're talking about what they're going to do.
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We're not going to be here for long.
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We're going to serve our time and and and go home and and, you
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know, be fish wives together and just retire, which I was like,
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do I said I really retire in that sense.
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But I guess, yeah. Because because we see Baron and
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and her sister kind of retired, but I don't, I guess seeing
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Moraine in the way she has been in the last two seasons, I just
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can't imagine Moraine sitting down somewhere just not worrying
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about the world. It just seems an odd concept.
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But it's I mean, it's the same like with, you know, in our
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field, we work in education. We had, we know teachers who
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have been there for years. And when they say, oh, I'm
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retiring, it's like you. Well, we have to.
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You have to remember, this has been 20 years ago.
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This this is before the proverbial shape is in the fan.
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Yeah, I know. And that's.
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That's why we used to talk about retiring and, you know, living
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our days together. Oh wait, no, we have something
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to do. Yeah, because then you go in to
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see, I'm assuming that sister was a seer.
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Yes. And she is the one who actually,
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I don't even want to say predict because it's literally happening
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in real time. Prophecy.
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It was a prophecy. But technically it was a
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prophecy. OK, but she starts having the
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vision of Rand's mother giving birth and she tells, she tells
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both women she was like the dragon is reborn, you know?
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And this is like literally on the heels of the IO War ending,
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so. You think at this point Lehman,
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yeah, King Lehman was dead at this point cause like, oh, the
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war is over. Right, which literally right
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after that? Yeah, 'cause at first I was
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watching was like, they seem to be really, really happy when
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there's a war going on. Like literally right outside the
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window. Yeah, yeah.
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And then they're like, the war is over.
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And as soon as like she didn't even get the word over out of
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her mouth. Good.
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Before the sister starts having the vision of Ran being born and
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she tells them she was like, you must.
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What did she say? You must.
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You must unite. You must find the dragon and
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prepare the world for war. And, and no, and prepare the
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world to follow him. That was what she said.
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And then she told them that they couldn't say anything to
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anybody. And they're both looking at each
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other like, welp, I guess the retirement's a bust.
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Yeah, shout the Hayley Mills of Parent Trap fame playing that
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role. Is that what it was?
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Yeah, that's her. Shut.
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It is At first I was looking, I was like, 'cause I saw who,
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who's playing. I was like, is that the
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girlfriend? Is that the woman from 1-2
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years? I was like, no, that's Ally
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Mills. Like, oh.
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Yeah, it's a lot. Lot of Ally Mills is around
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Hollywood, but yeah, I thought I was like, oh, that's that's
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actually pretty cool. It's good to have see you see
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someone from our childhood actually, you know, having a
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current role and something. Yeah, but yeah, so.
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And does she die after she has this, this vision or this?
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Yes. It looks like she does.
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So I'm just like, OK. It was such a powerful,
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overwhelming, you know, she was already old guitar and Marissa,
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she was already old. But it was such a powerful
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vision, man, she died. OK, because it's almost like she
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was, I don't know, like channeling Rand's mother spirit
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because she was reacting in the same way Rand's mother was
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reacting. And when she died and she kind
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of killed over, I was like, is she dead though?
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Is she like really, really dead? And Swan and and Miranda just
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looking at each other like, and this starts the 20 year journey
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for them to find the Dragon Reborn.
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And so that look back at their relationship is very interesting
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because you see how kind of really in love they were.
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And even though we kind of, we got a glimpse of it in the first
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season, and if you remember when we first saw it, I, I wasn't
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feeling their relationship when we had that first episode of
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them together because I was like, there's been no build up.
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There's been like, we're just supposed to assume that these
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two people have been in love for 20 years, and I just wasn't
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getting that. And it's interesting because in
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this episode, when you see them kind of on opposite sides of
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things, I feel it more with them because you can feel how their
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opposing views is starting to tear them apart.
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And I really felt it this time, so.
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But yeah, and the fact and the fact that she hadn't been, was
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it that she hadn't been answering her letters like she
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been sending letters or, or they they have been corresponding and
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Moraine just didn't tell her what Ishmael had done to her.
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Yeah, that that was the case. Because if you were if you were
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calling the last episode, she was writing letters trying to
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tell Suwan that she had been steal.
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And every time she wrote the letter, she balled it up and
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threw it out because she didn't she couldn't figure out how to
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tell her something like that. Like, like Suwan said, how, how
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did you keep something this, of this magnitude away from me?
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And, and you know, I guess, and in some ways I can understand
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Lorraine again, not wanting to admit that that part of her is
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gone. And then to admit it to like the
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most part, the, the, the, I don't know if she's the most
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powerful, but the, the person who's in charge of all the eyes
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to die. That's a hard thing to, to
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admit. And at the same time, this is
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the person that you love. This is something that you guys
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shared in common. And that kind of, I think takes
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away from maybe what she or I would say maybe she felt like
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that took away from what she shared with Swan, too.
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And she was just like, yeah, I'm not ready to do that yet, but.
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I think she was still it, it was, it was still very painful
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for her and she she just didn't want to have to deal with it at
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the moment. Yeah, yeah.
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And now she's having to deal with it because like Mike said
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at the end of the last episode, Land comes into town with Alana
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and Ivan and Maxim, and you think it's going to be a
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showdown, but it's like, no, we're about to present you to
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the ambulance seat. And this is something obviously
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Moraine didn't want to happen. So when I say there's a lot of
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tension in this episode and a lot of it has to do with
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Moraine, because Moraine is trying to keep secrets from this
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person. She's still trying to push Land
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away, like get leave. I don't have anything to say to
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you. And Land is like, OK, whatever.
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And I love it that he, I I feel bad for him because you can see
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how much her rejection still hurts him.
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But I love it that this time he was like, OK, I'm gonna get to
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the bottom of this because she is not acting like the meringue.
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I know. He was like, OK, so have you
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ever felt like killing yourself after all of this?
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And she was like, no, absolutely not.
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He's like, hmm, OK. And it's almost like all the
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things that he was doing, he was checking off boxes.
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OK. She doesn't feel this way.
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OK, Check. She doesn't feel this way.
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Check. Something's not right about what
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she's going through. And I love that he was able to
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figure it out. And like he said at the end, he
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was like, I'm so sorry it took me so long to, you know, to do
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what I'm supposed to do. Yeah, it was like I said, that
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version of House. It's like he's like trying to
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figure it out, like there it is. Do I do like that they gave him
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something to do? Because Land hadn't really had
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anything to do. He he felt like sulk.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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All all he had to do was like say, Lorraine, talk to me, go
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away. Lorraine, talk to me.
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Go away. Thank you.
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And see. Right.
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You're a dark friend. No, I'm not.
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Ryan is the Dragon Reborn. Oh, OK.
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That that's it. That's all you got for us.
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Right. And I like his interaction at
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the beginning of this episode with Rand too, because it's like
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he knows that Rand is a Dragon Reborn now.
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And that kind of, I think that knowledge kind of changed his
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relationships with a few people, including with Moraine.
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But I like that he's not being judgy against Rand like
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everybody else, Like everybody else who's hearing that he's the
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Dragon Reborn, they automatically have an opinion
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formed about who or what he is and what he's going to do,
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including someone. So I like that Land is still
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treating him the same, like, OK, this is the kid we picked up in
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the Two Rivers. But OK, I see you've been trying
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to, you've been picking up some stuff.
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And he just kind of calmly tells him, hey, this is what you want
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to do. This is what you want to do.
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You know, when he tried to get the sword and he wasn't trying
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to take the sword from him, he was just like, here, hand it
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here so you can put this jacket on.
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And Rand was like going into defensive ball.
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He was like, OK, you've been learning some skills, all right,
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you could take it with you. He was like, so you're not going
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to you. You don't think I need to keep.
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He was like, believe me, if the ambulance seat is scared of you
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is not going to be because of the sword.
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The the thing though, about about all of this is in the
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books. We have The Eye of the World,
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the first book, you know, on the way there, he and, and ran
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bonded like he was teaching him how he was teaching him the
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sword dances. He was teaching him, he was
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training him, he was talking to him.
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And you know, it's I, I, I missed that part, you know, of,
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of this character. And actually, we're going to see
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it, you know? You know, Season 3 has already
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started. Yeah, I have seen.
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A couple of, a couple of. Clips and like.
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Photos. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. So, yeah, 'cause in the trailer
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you see him teaching him some of the dances there too.
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The other thing is aside from being the quote UN quote Dragon
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Reborn, aside from being that it, it puts Ran in a position
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where he's going to have to sort of be like a king.
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And you understand that Lamb is a king and people make
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assumptions about him and treat him a certain way because of who
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he is and the way he represents. And I think he can kind of
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understand what Rand is about to have to deal with as someone who
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is supposed to be in the position of authority, who
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everyone is going to have to follow.
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And people are going to look up to him because he's the Dragon
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Reborn. Landon understands that, and
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that's sort of why he's taking. I think they're doing a good job
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of showing him trying to sort of take care of Rand in that
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respect. As.
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Opposed to what we yes, except for what we're used to in the
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book where he was sort of a father figure to Rand since he
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didn't have Tammy. OK, yeah.
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But yeah, I was going to say he does say something to Rand about
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that because when when he tells Rand or when they're having that
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conversation, Iran was like, look, I left the eye of the
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world because I didn't want to endanger my friends.
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I didn't want to kill my friends.
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I wanted to keep my loved ones safe.
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And Rand had to tell him, you are the Dragon Reborn.
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Your whole purpose is to save the world, not just your
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friends, but everybody. And I think I, I don't know,
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maybe I feel like it coming from LAN, maybe he looked at it
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differently because it's not something that is.
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When LAN says that, it doesn't feel like he's trying to force
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it on him, you know what I'm saying?
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I think it's kind of like what you said.
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He's just kind of gently teaching him without being
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overbearing, without being pushy, without being aggressive.
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But he's kind of telling Rand what is needed of him or what is
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required of him, but in a way where Ran can kind of take it in
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and and understand and feel the weight of it.
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Because again, we've been talking about Ran.
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Ran's been living a solitary life for six months, but even
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prior to that, they have been dealing with so much trauma and
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chaos and everything going on. He really hasn't had time to sit
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with who he is and what he is and understand what that means.
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And I think LAN is a good person to kind of tell him and and show
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him the the path forward. Maybe Moraine too, especially
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now that we know a little bit more of Moraine's motivations
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and she's not keeping things from Rand like she was at the
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beginning. Because I think at this point,
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especially once Ram was like, yeah, Laugher said I can't hang
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with you or else she's going to kill you.
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I think at this point she realizes, OK, I have to, I'm I'm
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going to have to tell him the truth.
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Especially after Sawan handed her her ass.
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She was like, look, this boy is no in, in no better position to
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fight the Dark One than he was six months ago.
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Like what have you been doing with him since the Eye of the
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World? Which is a valid question.
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Yeah, 'cause she's basically just had him kind of hidden away
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and, you know, working in the asylum.
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And I, I understand she put him in the path of people who could
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help him without directly saying, hey, we're here to help
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you. Because even the guy who he was
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caring for before he switched to low gain, that guy was helping.
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He was the one who taught him the forms.
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So yeah, I, I, I, I, I do like that dynamic between the two of
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them. I do want to see more of that
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because I think land will be a very big help to Rand
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especially. Trying to deal with all this,
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this chaos that's really about to appear in his life.
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Right. Yeah.
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I I love, I love Sawan's incredulousness.
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Like, after, like he tried to power up.
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She was just like, like, this is all you got.
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Like, you like, you know how long it's been like, I got
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beginners that could wreck you. Like what the hell?
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She set him up. She she said.
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How many times have you chown? He's like.
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Not many. Not, not many, not not on, not
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purposeful. Oh, she said.
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Oh, I got you bro. Right, right.
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Because her whole thing was she said, what did she say?
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Do you know what the tower law says that the ambulance seat is
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supposed to do to the Dragon Reborn?
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And he was like, you're supposed to steal me.
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And she was like, steal you. That's where amateurs.
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She was like, no, we're supposed to cage you.
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And I remembered you talking about that, Anthony.
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She said we're supposed to cage you and basically use you for
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our purposes. You channel when we want you to
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channel. You fight when we want you to
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fight. You know, when it when time
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comes for the last battle, you'll be our greatest weapon.
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But Oh no, you won't be the general.
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I know where I was looking like though.
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So they're basically no better than the other than other of
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you. Not, not when it comes to this.
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They're not any better. No, yeah.
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Yeah, it's the same thing is. It really is.
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And and that's when Ran kind of attacked.
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He was like, oh, you're not about to put me in a cage.
00:22:03
But yeah, Ran you, you got to work on your, your control and
00:22:08
your channeling a little bit more than what you have been
00:22:10
'cause if you've been, he's been trying to hide it for the whole
00:22:13
six months. So.
00:22:15
Yeah, I like how that, see, is almost a direct parallel of Rena
00:22:19
and Wayne too. It's like you tried to lash out
00:22:22
and that shit got shut down. It's like he tried to lash out
00:22:25
and that shit got shut down like in a fucking hurry.
00:22:28
And you can you were basically powerless to do anything about.
00:22:31
It is like a parallel between both situations.
00:22:34
I'm just like, see, this is like, you just don't know.
00:22:37
And this show is like, you think you're rooting for the right
00:22:40
person. Then you're like, am I you Like
00:22:43
maybe, maybe that's room for them.
00:22:45
Then you're like, no, I'm definitely not room for them.
00:22:48
I need room for them. Am I rooting for anybody 'cause
00:22:51
I'm just rooting for Loyal. I'm just gonna get a Loyal get a
00:22:53
sweatshirt with Loyal's face on it.
00:22:55
I mean like, yeah, loyal I. Am looking for the truth.
00:23:00
He's the man. We know.
00:23:04
I well, you know, the the name of this episode is Deus DeMar,
00:23:09
which means the great game. And in from from the book,
00:23:16
there's I told you before the the game of houses is what they
00:23:23
do, which is their political machinations that go on, you
00:23:27
know, behind the scenes and in front of the scenes.
00:23:31
That's something that I think they've sort of kind of hinted
00:23:34
at in the show, but not really talked about, and it's where
00:23:39
George RR Martin gets his Game of Thrones from Robert Jordan.
00:23:43
They first game of houses Meringue is really, really good
00:23:51
at playing the great game. He and Swan, especially Marine.
00:23:57
They're playing a game like you know, you know how we have the
00:24:01
same you know, we're playing chess, we're playing checkers.
00:24:05
They're not even playing the same game as as.
00:24:08
Everybody else, yeah. Right they.
00:24:11
Are really playing the long game?
00:24:13
Yeah, yeah. Because everybody else is
00:24:16
worried about what's going on right now.
00:24:18
They've been thinking 20 years ahead forever.
00:24:22
They have them or. Each other to figure out
00:24:23
checklist, yeah. Yeah, so and, and I I think
00:24:31
because they make a big deal about it in the books about the
00:24:34
nobles playing the game. That one scene where Rand was
00:24:39
with land fear at the party, he in the book, he literally burned
00:24:44
a whole bunch of letters, like he just dropped them in the
00:24:47
flame. He wouldn't even read them.
00:24:49
And they they thought he was a noble, but they didn't know who
00:24:52
he was when he left carrying it left the game in shambles.
00:24:58
Like people didn't know what the hell to do.
00:25:00
They didn't know what was going on.
00:25:02
He just totally and it's part of his Tavirian nature.
00:25:05
Probably he did a little bit of that too, but he basically left
00:25:08
all their politics and machinations in shambles because
00:25:12
they had no idea what was going on.
00:25:14
Like they didn't know who he was.
00:25:16
He was with this beautiful woman.
00:25:18
He seemed to be very powerful. They were all drawn to him and
00:25:22
he didn't. He just like dismissed their
00:25:25
things as if they were nothing and he just which in the grand
00:25:30
scheme of things he's a Dragon Reborn so.
00:25:32
So it really it is. Nothing, it is nothing.
00:25:37
He doesn't have time for this game basically.
00:25:40
And he left. He left them like in shambles.
00:25:43
It was. It was terrible.
00:25:45
Right. OK, but yeah, so the thing, the
00:25:48
reason why they call this the Great game is Moraine and Swan
00:25:52
just playing. They're doing something no one
00:25:55
is expecting, which is I'm, I'm kind of concerned here for Swan
00:26:02
because it seemed like she's abandoning the plan because she
00:26:07
thinks Marine has abandoned the plane.
00:26:10
And Marine is like trying to tell her I haven't.
00:26:13
But I don't know if they're putting on a show because people
00:26:17
are eavesdropping and listening and all that stuff.
00:26:21
So I. See, I thought that too until
00:26:24
the end of the episode and I was like, oh they really are on
00:26:27
opposite sides. Like this was not.
00:26:30
It was. I don't know.
00:26:31
I don't know you, still you. Still, even with what happened
00:26:34
at the end of the episode. 'Cause I think they, I don't
00:26:38
think landfill was supposed to show up.
00:26:41
Landfill. But even before landfill showed
00:26:44
up, Swan commanded Moraine to stop, and that was when she did
00:26:52
that. And you could kind of see
00:26:55
Moraine being forced to turn around because I guess.
00:26:59
Well, because of the oaths. Yeah, because of the oaths.
00:27:02
She's supposed to obey because she said I will obey every
00:27:06
command Sawan Sanche or I will. I will obey Sawan Sanchez's
00:27:11
every command. I think that's what she said
00:27:14
with the oath, right? And when Sawan was telling her
00:27:17
to close the way gate, she was like don't make me force you.
00:27:22
And Maren looked panicked. She was like don't do this if
00:27:27
you ever love me, don't do this. And she was like, I command you
00:27:30
when it forced her to turn around.
00:27:33
That hit me so hard because I was like, that's almost a worse
00:27:37
violation to me from what Ishmael did to her.
00:27:44
Because Ishmael, it's her enemy. He's the one, you know, he
00:27:48
doesn't care about her. He can take her power, whatever,
00:27:52
and not think anything of it. This is somebody that you love
00:27:55
who is forcing you to do something that you don't want to
00:27:58
do basically without your consent.
00:28:00
It was a violation. It was, but step back for a
00:28:04
second. Step back for a second.
00:28:07
OK, so how many people knew there was a old year way gate in
00:28:13
the middle of the city? Yeah, only.
00:28:15
Only a. Couple.
00:28:16
They had to. They had to go find a map out of
00:28:19
the library to find it. Yeah.
00:28:22
Swan immediately went there like she knew where it was.
00:28:27
How? I was to see, I was going to say
00:28:30
was did she go there because she knew it was there or did she go
00:28:33
there because she was following Moraine?
00:28:37
How could she have followed Moraine?
00:28:40
She was on top of the rooftop when they left.
00:28:44
How did she know where she was? Maybe.
00:28:47
She maybe she, I mean it seemed like she knew that that was the
00:28:49
only way they were getting out of here with with land fear like
00:28:53
throwing become becoming a little fire starter like
00:28:56
throwing, throwing fireballs all over the place.
00:28:58
And this it's like they they knew that they couldn't go out
00:29:01
the front. So she's like, they have to go
00:29:02
out. No.
00:29:03
But see, I don't think they. Knew they.
00:29:05
Was even in the city. No.
00:29:07
And I don't even think they knew that the fire, because the fire
00:29:12
was in the four gate. I don't think they knew that
00:29:14
Forsaken was starting the fire. They just knew there was a fire.
00:29:18
Yeah. OK.
00:29:20
So now the people down in in, in the in the area who saw this.
00:29:26
Beautiful. Woman with the long flowing
00:29:28
robes walking. They probably realized, but.
00:29:31
They they didn't. By the time they realized what
00:29:33
was happening, they were made to a bacon crisp.
00:29:37
If you're seeing her, it's too late.
00:29:39
It's too late if you see her. Oh well.
00:29:42
Who you going to tell? Nobody let.
00:29:45
Look, let me let me go this. Way.
00:29:47
Let me, let me get out. Let me get out your way while
00:29:51
you're setting everything on fire.
00:29:52
And, and what did she say when she was walking by and blowing
00:29:56
people up? She's like, like, oh.
00:29:58
It was like 3. I'm back to this again.
00:30:00
Yeah, she was like 3000 years of pass and I'm doing this again.
00:30:04
Really. But but I have questions though
00:30:08
because like I said, team one, they didn't know where the way
00:30:13
it was. They had to use a map to find it
00:30:16
and Swan just strolled in there like so.
00:30:18
I'm thinking this is not the. Theory.
00:30:21
The theory was not the theory. It it could be possible that
00:30:25
landfill was was making her do that because the Forsaken can do
00:30:30
something called compulsion which they can make people do
00:30:35
things so. You think landfill made swan
00:30:38
come? Right, because what did she say
00:30:41
after she knocked her out? She said a broken Armaline is
00:30:44
better than a dead. That is more used to me than a.
00:30:47
More useful to me than a dead 1. Or I mean if.
00:30:52
She's and who would know, and Landry would know exactly where
00:30:54
that way it was because she was there when they were made like
00:30:58
she knows where they are. Yeah, but.
00:31:00
Wouldn't the ambulance seat know almost everything in the tower?
00:31:05
No. No, they're not in the tire.
00:31:07
They ain't carrying. But yeah, they're in carrying.
00:31:09
I mean, but. They're not in tire of.
00:31:10
London. I would think she would have
00:31:11
like some kind of like extended. OK, never mind.
00:31:16
No. I.
00:31:17
Mean she's not the president. She'll get a black book from the
00:31:20
previous arm and then have all the secrets.
00:31:22
OK, that's what I was saying. She's not going to be the one to
00:31:24
go in and read every single text or tone that's in the White
00:31:28
Tower. So yeah, that that kind of does.
00:31:32
In any, any reading that she would have done, they they would
00:31:36
have been looking for prophecies.
00:31:39
She was her. She would have been the one
00:31:41
there trying to trying to to tweak out all the prophecies to
00:31:45
figure out what they needed to do, what she needed to do.
00:31:48
That's. Absolutely no.
00:31:49
And even Even so, why would she know where secret passages are
00:31:55
in Carrion when Moraine is from there and she didn't even know?
00:32:00
She knew there was one there. They didn't know where it was.
00:32:04
No, she told, She told, She told Alana, she said.
00:32:07
That's just a myth. That's a rumor.
00:32:09
Oh yeah, that's. Right.
00:32:09
And Alana was like, no, we got a old gear and map this it, it's
00:32:13
the real thing. Yeah, and who brought the map?
00:32:17
Yasuka Cho Chang. She brought it to who?
00:32:21
To. Veron.
00:32:23
How did Veron know to even ask her to go get one?
00:32:28
See. See, oh, but you know what
00:32:30
Bavarian is also, she's writing a book about the breaking of the
00:32:34
world, and she's been doing a lot of research.
00:32:36
And remember, she went to the White Tower looking for certain
00:32:40
texts to research. So she may have once she and
00:32:44
Lorraine talked and Lorraine, you know, she confirmed that
00:32:47
Rand was the Dragon Reborn. Maybe she started thinking of,
00:32:52
OK, let's look at certain things, let's look at certain
00:32:58
places, especially if she know, if she knew that Moraine stashed
00:33:01
Rand and Kyrie Ann, maybe she was like, OK, we might need to
00:33:06
think of a alternate way out. Like Baron seems to me to be the
00:33:11
one that has plans on top of plans on top of plans.
00:33:16
Like she sees. I I said this in a couple
00:33:19
episodes ago. She's very observant.
00:33:22
So she was probably paying attention to other things that
00:33:27
some of the other sisters or anybody else like wasn't even on
00:33:31
their radar. Yeah, OK.
00:33:35
I'm, I'm, I'm just saying it might not be.
00:33:37
They could have had advanced knowledge.
00:33:39
But I know it just seemed like how I I'm still going to ask the
00:33:43
question. Lamprey knew where they were.
00:33:47
Swan knew where they were. Yeah.
00:33:51
You know, it's easy to know that.
00:33:53
Well Landfair would know. OK, well if they got to get out
00:33:56
of the city quickly, they're probably going to go to away
00:33:59
gate. So she may not have thought they
00:34:01
didn't know where it was. She just automatically went
00:34:03
there because she knows Marine has used it before, used used
00:34:07
one before, so she may have just assumed she would be there.
00:34:10
Someone, on the other hand, why would she even know exactly
00:34:15
where to go? Yeah.
00:34:17
Well, I, I will say this, I don't think Landfair, I don't
00:34:23
think she anticipated Moraine being there because one, as far
00:34:27
as she knew, Moraine was still, she's not going to be able to
00:34:30
open the weight Gate 2. She had told Ran that if, you
00:34:35
know, if she caught him with Moraine, she would kill Moraine.
00:34:39
And I don't think, you know, with Ran going to her for help
00:34:44
in escaping, I don't think he told her.
00:34:47
Oh yeah, by the way, Moraine is coming with me.
00:34:51
Did did Landfree help him escape?
00:34:53
Yes. I.
00:34:55
Started the because. I think she started the fire as
00:34:58
the distractions. Oh, wait.
00:35:00
Distraction for what? Wait, OK, see, now you got me
00:35:04
think about that. Because she started the
00:35:06
distraction. Moraine was in there with Ram,
00:35:09
but then Varon came in. See, now you got me wondering,
00:35:13
is Baron a dark friend or something 'cause Baron came in.
00:35:18
She told Leanna. She was like, I'll take his
00:35:20
shield from you so you can go do whatever the ambulance.
00:35:24
Right. And then Maureen goes, Oh, you
00:35:26
worried that very carefully, 'cause she didn't lie.
00:35:29
She didn't. She just said I'll take his
00:35:31
shield from you. But that doesn't mean she can't
00:35:35
lie. She could have been doing that
00:35:37
for show. See now.
00:35:42
Oh my God. OK, so now you.
00:35:44
I'm sorry man, this very, this ain't adding up and you know.
00:35:49
You know what? It's so interesting because.
00:35:53
Oh, and then Matt gets knocked down by someone.
00:35:56
Matt got knocked out by someone in the grey hood.
00:36:00
Thomas was wearing a grey hood. I'm just, I'm, I'm just saying
00:36:06
it. Was he was.
00:36:07
And then when Alana, Maxim and Ivan was sitting there talking,
00:36:11
Maxim looked at Baron. He was like, you know, I don't
00:36:14
trust Baron. He was the only one that said
00:36:18
and I was like, why trust Baron? But you know what and and why
00:36:23
Ivan, Ivan was like, you know what, I'm from the go far,
00:36:25
little Tomas. Right.
00:36:28
I love how Alana was like, she was like, no, I don't want us to
00:36:31
be separated. And both of the guys looking at
00:36:33
each other and then they looked at her.
00:36:35
She was like, they're like 2 of you. 3.
00:36:38
I don't know. I just think they all think
00:36:40
everybody dark, friend. I'm just saying.
00:36:42
I I mean, but you know you. Saying, but will you?
00:36:46
Will you put that very? Faint now how in the world?
00:36:49
Because Varin came to the conclusion that Moraine knew who
00:36:53
the Dragon Reborn was real quick when they when they were on
00:36:58
their way and she was like, you found the Dragon Reborn.
00:37:03
I'm assuming it's one of those kids you plucked from the Two
00:37:06
Rivers. And even remember Moraine got
00:37:08
ready to draw that DAP. Wait a minute.
00:37:10
Oh, wait, wait. I just think it's a awful
00:37:15
coincidence he goes to to landfill to ask for help.
00:37:19
All landfill doesn't start a fire.
00:37:22
Yeah, 'cause she doesn't physically come in and help him.
00:37:26
Veron. Veron.
00:37:27
And and if she immediately drops.
00:37:30
It. If she wanted to go in there and
00:37:33
get him out of there, who's going to stop her?
00:37:37
Who's going to stop her? She could have.
00:37:40
She had teleported right into that room and killed everyone.
00:37:44
Yeah, the way she teleported Matt all the way to fall.
00:37:49
Exactly. OK, that's making me think now
00:37:55
because I never I, I, I wouldn't have thought to ask that
00:37:58
question. And it's like now I'm.
00:38:01
I'm in retrospect the first time I watched this, even knowing
00:38:06
what I know first time I watched it.
00:38:07
I'm like I, I, I questions. I would have questions about
00:38:11
Baron easily, easily. She moving around to I
00:38:19
understand. Her being smart.
00:38:21
Being smart because, you know, I also thought maybe Marine's
00:38:29
sister was a dark friend. We found we found out in a big
00:38:34
way this episode. She is definitely not a dark
00:38:36
friend. Yeah.
00:38:38
And we find out that, yeah, their rise to riches was because
00:38:43
of the deal that was made. Was that?
00:38:46
Little naughty go Deal of the best.
00:38:48
Yeah, that's snotty. That's snotty.
00:38:50
No sun. And it's so it's so crazy
00:38:53
because when they were when they were.
00:38:57
Well, OK, let's let's finish the conversation about Veron and
00:39:00
that stuff before we move to Spartanis.
00:39:03
But with you asking that question now is making me think
00:39:09
back to a lot of things since we've met Veron.
00:39:14
You know, even just the fact that she let Marine stay with
00:39:17
her for so long, like was she was she doing that to try to
00:39:22
find out some information? Was she trying to find out?
00:39:25
You know, because Moraine was having so many visitors at that
00:39:29
house trying to get information, it does open up the question of
00:39:35
whether or not she could be a dark friend.
00:39:37
But at the same time, I wonder if that's like a misdirect
00:39:43
because you have people in this episode, you have Leandra, who
00:39:47
is very clearly on her dark friend mission in this episode.
00:39:51
She's doing her dark friend shit.
00:39:53
And then you have Baron who now with what you've asked and the
00:39:57
things that is brought up seems questionable, questionable.
00:40:02
But I almost feel like it's kind of AI don't know, maybe like a
00:40:07
misdirect, like OK, we're gonna make you think that somebody who
00:40:11
who should be good might be bad to take.
00:40:14
I I don't know. I don't know if I still feel
00:40:17
like. Oh, no, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm
00:40:24
kind of split down the middle. I'm on the fence.
00:40:28
You raised some very good points though.
00:40:31
She has a dark friend then then like, I mean, she has she been
00:40:36
just watching Moraine or are saying stuff up for Moraine?
00:40:40
Like this whole time, 'cause Lorraine's been, that's where
00:40:45
he's been under care. This whole time that she's been
00:40:48
silence. Right, yeah, 'cause I mean, even
00:40:52
if she, even if it was revealed that she was a dark friend, what
00:40:56
is Moraine gonna do? Nothing.
00:40:58
Yeah, and it's like what if, what if, when, when she was, I
00:41:01
mean, did she change her mind about her?
00:41:03
Did she accept that whole ambushed in the 1st episode?
00:41:06
You mean the, the, the fades? Yeah, that's what I was just
00:41:10
thinking too. Like OK, because OK.
00:41:14
Like, like, like, 'cause Bahrain was getting ready to leave,
00:41:16
maybe she didn't want her to leave just yet.
00:41:17
She was like, OK, I need to slow her down a little bit and had
00:41:20
the phase come in and but she was gonna let them kill them.
00:41:24
She was just like, OK, that's enough of that.
00:41:26
They, they're not going to go anywhere for a minute.
00:41:28
So cool. But then when Lorraine still was
00:41:31
steadfast on leaving, she's like, fine, we're going with you
00:41:35
or we'll, we'll go. Then she's like, here, take
00:41:37
here, take land. And then they're like, she's
00:41:41
like, fuck trying to I find. So then she had to figure out
00:41:46
another way to figure. But she but she knew she
00:41:48
probably had an inkling that she was going back to she was going
00:41:52
to try to find Sawan. So she was like, OK, we gotta we
00:41:56
gotta try to find a way to intersect them somehow, like, or
00:42:00
just to meet them somewhere. See, now we're now we're coming
00:42:03
up with all kinds of different theories about this stuff.
00:42:05
And it's like. There's a lot of conspiracy
00:42:08
theories going on right now. It's a.
00:42:10
Lot. It's a lot right now.
00:42:11
It's like the more we think about it, the more we'll come up
00:42:14
with stuff. It's just like.
00:42:16
It's the name of the episode. That's a great game.
00:42:19
It's a game. It's a game.
00:42:21
OK, OK. Manipulations behind,
00:42:25
manipulations behind, you know, manipulation and all this stuff.
00:42:32
Right, OK, so we gonna stick a pen in the whole Baron
00:42:36
discussion. We gonna see what next the next
00:42:39
episode reveals if anything, and whether or not that makes a
00:42:45
difference in in how we're thinking towards her.
00:42:48
But yeah, Anthony, you had you have my mind just in jumbles now
00:42:52
in a jumble because I I wasn't really thinking.
00:43:00
Yeah, OK, so anyway, now let's go back to Lady de Madrid and
00:43:07
and Barthanis and Leandrine. Because Leandrine comes in the
00:43:11
house and she walks into the the parlor where Barthanis and Lady
00:43:17
de Madrid are sitting. And as soon as she walks in,
00:43:22
Barthanis is whole demeanor changes.
00:43:26
He sits up straight. He looks at her like, Oh, my
00:43:28
God, I was like, yeah, that's a dark friend.
00:43:32
Because it's like he, he knew his kin when she came into the
00:43:37
room and even when she sat down and Lady de Madrid is, you know,
00:43:43
she's sitting there being nice and polite and blah, blah, blah.
00:43:46
And then when he tells her he was like, mother, go upstairs.
00:43:50
This, this is royal business. I'm like, that's a lie.
00:43:56
Because what would Leandra have to do with the with the royal
00:43:59
family in Kyrie Anne? She's a isodide.
00:44:02
She's been all the way in the tower.
00:44:04
She's been one. Also.
00:44:07
She's a red isodide. She ain't serving nobody.
00:44:11
I was like, yeah, use a sneaky motherfucker.
00:44:14
Something ain't right about you. You are a dark friend.
00:44:17
Thankfully his mother peeped the same shit because she was
00:44:22
listening and she heard Leandro and give the give the order.
00:44:27
They wanted him to kill Moraine. Or maybe not Will.
00:44:31
Yeah, kill. I'm gonna say you said just take
00:44:34
her off the board. You you you could have really.
00:44:36
Just locked her up and just kept her there.
00:44:38
She couldn't have gotten out. But no, take her off the board.
00:44:40
And if your mother gets in the way, take her off the board too.
00:44:44
And Barthetus is looking like you try to make me kill my
00:44:48
auntie and my Mama. And I was like, look, this is a
00:44:51
woman who just let her son be killed so that she can be free
00:44:55
to do whatever they want her to do.
00:44:58
She ain't thinking about your aunt.
00:44:59
She ain't thinking about your Mama.
00:45:00
She don't care how you feel about it.
00:45:02
This is the order from Ishmael. You need to go do it.
00:45:08
But luckily his Mama ain't no bitch.
00:45:16
She ain't stupid either. Exactly.
00:45:18
Far from it. Right.
00:45:21
Because even if she was eavesdropping, it's still part
00:45:24
of the game. Like having eyes and ears
00:45:28
everywhere, being able to get intelligence.
00:45:31
You know, he, he, he probably doesn't even know what's going.
00:45:35
On right right and I really felt so bad for her because when she
00:45:43
she sets the trap for him she has one of the guards you know
00:45:47
say hey we put your on in the cell we gave her the tea she
00:45:50
should be asleep right now because he of course is about to
00:45:54
take the cowards way out he's going to have them knock Moraine
00:45:57
out so he can kill her one without her knowing it was him
00:46:01
and 2:00 just because he probably couldn't face like oh
00:46:05
this is my aunt I got to kill her he didn't want to look like
00:46:08
a coward but. He doesn't know she can't
00:46:10
channel either. Well, that too.
00:46:13
But when he goes into the cell, his mother is standing at the
00:46:17
door, and she's just looking at him.
00:46:19
She was like, I really didn't think you would do it because he
00:46:21
had a sword and he was getting ready to pull it out when he
00:46:24
realizes that the cell is empty and she locks him in and he's
00:46:28
sitting there. He was like begging.
00:46:30
She was like, what? What in the world made you do
00:46:33
this? He was like, you don't think our
00:46:35
sudden fast rise back to the top was all you?
00:46:40
No, this is me. This is what I was doing.
00:46:43
I'm trying to ensure that we have what we need.
00:46:47
Me marrying the queen, that's all part of this.
00:46:50
That's what I was promised. And she was like, yeah, you know
00:46:55
what? I can't fuck with you.
00:46:57
And he was like, you, you, you going to turn me in?
00:47:00
You going to give all this up for your sister?
00:47:02
She don't even care about us. And what did she say?
00:47:04
She said, I, I realized that because what he said, she will
00:47:11
leave this place and not come back.
00:47:14
And she won't she won't give she won't give us a second thought.
00:47:18
And I'm very sad. I know that.
00:47:20
But two things about my sister that are always true.
00:47:23
She knows the difference between right and wrong, and she knows
00:47:26
that sometimes you have to choose to do what's right over.
00:47:33
How hard? It is, right?
00:47:35
Yeah, no matter how hard it is. And he was like, don't tell the
00:47:39
Queen. She was like, already did.
00:47:41
I was like, yo, she really was like, I'm not fucking with you.
00:47:46
I'm. I'm done with you.
00:47:48
I had a lot of respect for her for that though, because not too
00:47:50
many people would would turn their turn their child in.
00:47:54
In this universe, in this world, people do not like dark friends.
00:47:59
If they don't like anyone, they don't like dark friends.
00:48:04
You know, they don't even play about calling people dark
00:48:07
friends because you'll be killed quickly.
00:48:11
Yeah, which is why that whole exchange with Alana, Maxim, Ivan
00:48:16
and Land happen because they they were really like, yo bro,
00:48:19
we love you, but we're going to kill you right here now.
00:48:21
Right right here, right now. Like they don't like, we don't
00:48:24
care how long we've known you. We don't care, We don't care if
00:48:27
you've been a dark friend for just a day.
00:48:29
And I, I'm guessing this because when people become dark friends,
00:48:33
like we said, it's not one of those things where, oh, you can
00:48:36
have a regret and you can get out of it or, you know, you can
00:48:40
say, hey, I changed my mind because once you're a dark
00:48:42
friend, you're in that until you're deaf, there is no going
00:48:47
back. No.
00:48:48
You you swear to him even in the afterlife.
00:48:55
Really. Yes.
00:48:57
So let me ask you a question. Swear your soul to him.
00:49:00
Like you, you be. Once you swear to the Dark 1,
00:49:05
you swear to the Dark One. So so my question is because we
00:49:10
see it with Matt in this episode where Ishmael allows him to see
00:49:16
past versions of himself. So if remember.
00:49:20
He's a father, he remember. He's a father of lies, but OK.
00:49:22
Well, yeah, that too. But but one thing we do know is
00:49:26
that reincarnation is a theme in this show.
00:49:30
It's, you know, the turning. That's what the will is about.
00:49:33
So if your past self flourish themselves to the dark 1, does
00:49:37
that follow you through each turn of the wheel?
00:49:41
The likelihood of you. OK, without giving away too
00:49:45
much, you, your soul is your soul and who you are, as your
00:49:52
soul tends to be who you are. So if you swear yourself to the
00:49:58
Dark One, you're going to do it every turn of the wheel.
00:50:03
OK, right. Which is sort of a weird kind of
00:50:08
trap because. Yeah, because it's like.
00:50:10
That's that's you swearing yourself 'cause you literally
00:50:14
swear yourself to him even in death.
00:50:17
Yeah, and, and that's weird because it's kind of like, it's
00:50:21
almost like your future selves have no say even if, even if,
00:50:26
let's say they wanted to. It's almost like they're
00:50:30
predestined not to. Like there's no free will.
00:50:32
That means there's no free will for that person.
00:50:35
That's a whole other conversation, but OK, I'm I'm
00:50:38
wrapping, I'm wrapping my brain around wow.
00:50:43
That that's why, that's why a particular person, why he swore
00:50:51
to the Dark One, It's for that very reason.
00:50:57
And I can't remember if he said anything so far, but he's tired
00:51:01
of the same things. Oh, Ishmael.
00:51:05
Yes, he did say something about that in this episode.
00:51:07
Yeah, he was talking about. He was talking about his his
00:51:13
dream is to one day close his eyes to sleep and never wake up.
00:51:17
I do remember. OK, so then it's so it's safe.
00:51:20
So it's safe to say that that yes, he when he was when he was
00:51:26
nice to die, he was tired of all this because once he realized
00:51:31
what was happening with the pattern repeating over and over
00:51:34
again, he's like, we're all suffering and he wants to end
00:51:38
that suffering. He wants to break the wheel.
00:51:42
And that's why he swore to the Dark one or one of the main
00:51:46
reasons why is he's tired of it to see if he figured out.
00:51:52
It's been like an infinite number of times that they've
00:51:55
done this. Right.
00:51:57
And he's, he needs, he wants to stop.
00:51:59
He's like, I'm just tired. I just want to go to sleep.
00:52:01
I just want to take a long nap and not think about none of this
00:52:04
stuff anymore. Yeah.
00:52:06
But yeah. But yeah, I guess I could
00:52:10
understand that, especially if you remember bits and pieces of
00:52:16
your past life or your. Yeah, I can.
00:52:19
And what did he say? He drank.
00:52:20
He drank the tea himself and saw all of his lives like this has
00:52:26
to stop. Yeah, OK.
00:52:29
Damn ayahuasca. Ayahuasca trip span every day.
00:52:34
All it takes is 1 bad trip to fuck all that shit up and his
00:52:37
trip was fucked up. Like Matt.
00:52:41
Yeah. OK.
00:52:42
Yeah, we'll, we'll talk. We'll talk about Matt's in a
00:52:44
minute. Let's let's finish with I'm
00:52:47
there and her son. But yeah, so she turns her son
00:52:50
in and I was kind of questioning.
00:52:53
I was like OK y'all have 5 guards come for this man, are
00:52:58
y'all about to kill him now or y'all taking him prisoner?
00:53:02
But I was like 'cause he doesn't seem to be.
00:53:08
He doesn't seem like he would be able to put up much of a fight.
00:53:11
But then again I don't know if dark friends get any special
00:53:15
perks in. They get a boost.
00:53:18
They get a stamp boost. They get a.
00:53:20
They get a + 5 + 5 in strength plus 3IN constitution.
00:53:25
But yeah. But they didn't know, but that's
00:53:27
the point. They didn't know if there was
00:53:30
something that he had or someone that he could call on to help
00:53:34
him out. So it's like, yeah, I'd have 5
00:53:37
or 10 guards too. Just be like, Nah, just in case
00:53:40
because his mom was probably like, I don't even know this
00:53:42
mother fucker anymore. So no, I'm not going to go.
00:53:44
I'm not going to do this shit by myself.
00:53:46
So Nah, I'm the I'm just going to get a couple guards with me
00:53:50
just to make sure they're like and after ready.
00:53:54
Yeah, but like I said, I feel so bad for her because your whole,
00:54:01
your whole sense of self worth has been shattered at this point
00:54:06
because you thought that the stuff that you did, the
00:54:10
connections you made were what brought your house back into the
00:54:17
status that it was supposed to be.
00:54:18
And now you're learning that not only was it not you, but it was
00:54:25
the the rewards, I guess, of your son being a dark friend.
00:54:31
So is she going to lose everything now?
00:54:33
Devastating to her, so is. She going to lose like just are
00:54:39
they going to take everything from her now?
00:54:40
I know. I don't know.
00:54:44
I don't know. I mean, I'm, I mean, there's no
00:54:48
royal wedding happening for sure.
00:54:52
I don't know how much of I don't know how much of her household
00:54:58
was, I don't know, provided by the crown.
00:55:02
I mean, I know that the horses that Moraine was talking about,
00:55:06
you know, I know that those were gifts from the Queen, but I'm
00:55:10
sure some of the stuff she did, you know, I'm not saying that
00:55:15
everything that that brought them back up to status was
00:55:18
because of him. Because for her to say very
00:55:24
proudly that she worked hard and she did things in order for them
00:55:29
to to come back up. I'm sure some of that was a
00:55:32
result of her, but most of it and probably how quickly it
00:55:36
happened had to do with him. So now it's.
00:55:40
Like is there like a isodai Rico Rico case they could put up
00:55:43
against them where they can just like repossess all their shit?
00:55:48
I just I will say this, I know Moran has a lot going on and
00:55:53
like she just, she just left, but I hope at some point she
00:55:58
makes amends with her sister because I I realize all of that
00:56:04
is not important to her within the grand scheme of things.
00:56:08
But again, that is her sister. That is her home.
00:56:12
Just at least say, I'm so sorry that it came to this, you know,
00:56:16
just something. Right.
00:56:20
I mean, she, she's probably willing to listen now, now that
00:56:22
she's gone through this with her son, she's probably more, more
00:56:25
willing to listen because she, she said it herself.
00:56:29
She realized that, that, you know, despite everything
00:56:32
Lorraine always did what's right.
00:56:34
So she kind of, she kind of has the start of being there and
00:56:40
saying, OK, maybe we should talk it out a little bit at least
00:56:44
just try and you know. But then but then again, it's a
00:56:47
2 day screen. But it's a two way St. though.
00:56:50
It's like Moraine has to want to, too.
00:56:52
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Right now, Moraine has a lot on
00:56:55
her plate, but I'm hoping at some point she can at least just
00:56:59
say, hey, sis, thanks for having my back.
00:57:01
Because her sister could have easily just let them leave
00:57:04
Moraine. If she was really that petty,
00:57:07
she could have easily just been like, OK, hey, Barthanis wants
00:57:11
to talk to you. She, me, she.
00:57:15
Knows. She knows better.
00:57:17
I know, but we know. We know Moraine probably would
00:57:22
never step foot and Kyrie in again.
00:57:25
Moraine not only has bigger fish to fry, she's playing the great
00:57:29
game. Yeah, these little pieces mean
00:57:33
absolutely nothing to her. I know because what she's doing
00:57:38
is going to save everybody. It's what Lamb told Rand.
00:57:44
Just to. Worry about the people close to
00:57:46
you. If it wasn't for your sister,
00:57:49
you wouldn't even know where Rand was.
00:57:51
You wouldn't have gone. Her sister, her sister knows
00:57:54
better. Her sister knows and, and, and
00:57:58
on some level, her sister does know that Marine is trying to do
00:58:03
something greater. Yeah.
00:58:05
She. Knows.
00:58:06
She knows that. And she knows that, yes, she has
00:58:11
to be the one to keep this family.
00:58:12
She's the one that has to keep off.
00:58:13
She's the one because it it doesn't mean anything if
00:58:19
everyone is dead. It means nothing if Marine can't
00:58:23
do, if I said I can't do what they're supposed to do,
00:58:25
everyone's going to die. So she's going to, she she has
00:58:30
to let Marine be that way. Like, yeah, it would be nice if
00:58:34
Marine would come back and have some tea with her, like since
00:58:37
I'm sorry I left you, but no. Probably not going to happen.
00:58:41
Yeah, Marine didn't have time for that.
00:58:43
I know, I know. Didn't have time for that.
00:58:46
I know. But OK, since we talked about
00:58:49
Matt and Ishmael, let's let's go to that part because again, last
00:58:54
episode, the last we saw Matt, he was he was kind of hiding at
00:58:58
the gate. He was supposed to meet Rand to
00:59:01
go with him in the farm and he kind of chickened out.
00:59:03
Well, I won't say chicken out. He backed out because men told
00:59:07
him that, you know, he kills Rand and then he gets knocked
00:59:12
out. And I thought about what Anthony
00:59:15
said last week, like just go with Rand Farm because if men
00:59:19
saw the vision, it's gonna happen anyway no matter how you
00:59:23
get there. And what happens?
00:59:24
Matt gets knocked out and wakes up where and fall because land
00:59:31
fear has brought him there. And he sit here thinking, is
00:59:34
this a dream? She was like, oh, no, you are,
00:59:36
you are very much awake. And he walks out to the balcony
00:59:39
and he opens and he sees nothing but water.
00:59:43
He was thinking how and be hell did I get here?
00:59:48
I mean at least he got oceanfront.
00:59:49
I mean he could have had inside room.
00:59:51
That would have really sucked. I don't think it matters because
00:59:54
I think at this point Matt is kind of scared shitless because
00:59:57
I mean, even Laugher was like, I really thought you would be more
01:00:00
what did she say? More impressive?
01:00:02
And Matt is sitting here like, why you just going to insult me
01:00:07
after I just got knocked out and I've been brought who knows
01:00:10
where? Who knows how like give me a
01:00:14
second to get my bearings together before you just start
01:00:17
insulting me. I know he was like.
01:00:22
And I don't think he asked her who she was and she never gave
01:00:27
her name, did she? Because I'm wondering when Rand
01:00:31
was telling him about everything, I know he told Matt
01:00:35
about Ishmael having E Gwen and foam and I know he probably told
01:00:39
him of some of that. I wondered, did he also tell
01:00:42
Matt about Celine slash land fear because she did he.
01:00:48
Just said, he just said there was a woman and he's like, oh,
01:00:52
older. He's like, yeah, OK.
01:00:54
That was about it, OK. Because I think if she had said
01:00:58
her name, Matt probably would have maybe figured out who it
01:01:01
was. No, He Rand didn't tell me
01:01:05
anything. OK, OK.
01:01:08
But yeah, so he he ends up waking up in foam.
01:01:13
And after he, you know, sees where he is, the next thing we
01:01:17
see is Ishmael preparing the tea for Matt.
01:01:21
And he's telling him about, you know, like you said, the whole
01:01:25
cycle of everything repeating itself.
01:01:28
And I'm just tired. I just, I just want to go to
01:01:30
sleep. And what did he say?
01:01:32
He said the first time I drank this tea, he said this tea will
01:01:35
show you all your past lives. He was like, don't you really
01:01:38
want to know who you are, Matt? And he was like, the first time
01:01:43
I drank this tea, I slept all night for the first time ever
01:01:49
because I knew who I was. I'm surprised Mike didn't
01:01:53
interrupt you and say you missed the most important line.
01:01:56
Which was? Which was Is this a sex thing?
01:02:01
What is that thing? Right, right, right.
01:02:05
Thing or murder thing and he said whichever one it is I
01:02:09
really just want you to skip the talk.
01:02:13
He was like if you going to fuck me or kill me, just get on with
01:02:17
it. Either way.
01:02:17
Either way. I miss Shamel is not a bad
01:02:22
looking dude so I I can see the OK.
01:02:26
Are we doing this or are we doing that?
01:02:29
So, yeah, I mean, it's not, it's, it's smell.
01:02:31
We it's been shown that it smells with it.
01:02:33
So I mean. We'll just, oh, you talking
01:02:37
about 'cause he cut 'cause of that, that whole dream where he
01:02:41
was kind of cuddled up to Rand. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm just
01:02:45
saying. But yeah, that whole thing is
01:02:48
just like, I mean, the Ishmael gets me because he's always so
01:02:55
fucking calm and it's like he's just like chilling.
01:02:59
It's like, yeah, my plans couldn't work.
01:03:01
Doesn't matter what you do. I'm not.
01:03:03
So I'm not gonna get, I'm not gonna get worked up that shit.
01:03:06
So yeah. So he's thinking about don't let
01:03:09
people 15 minutes. Didn't drink it though.
01:03:12
Or not, whatever, I'll be back. Think about how many times he
01:03:16
has he has done this song and dance.
01:03:20
Yeah, he's probably bored at this point.
01:03:23
He's probably very bored. Things are going to either work
01:03:27
or they're or they're not like his.
01:03:29
His confidence level, you know, can be up there.
01:03:34
We'll try maybe a little something different this time,
01:03:37
you know? So if it doesn't work, oh, well,
01:03:40
you got another chance. Yeah.
01:03:42
Right. OK, I have to ask because I've
01:03:45
seen this scene maybe three times and it's still kind of
01:03:48
confusing to me. Walk me through Matt's visions
01:03:55
of his current past former selves because I was so
01:04:00
confused. Are you talking about the
01:04:03
visions he just had in in this episode?
01:04:06
Yes, the ones that he had of I guess supposed to be his past
01:04:10
selves. And he sees his mother, his
01:04:12
mother saying you're just like him, you're just like him.
01:04:15
And there's a there's an image of him hanging where it looks
01:04:21
like he either hung himself or he killed or someone killed him
01:04:24
and hung him. There's another image of him
01:04:28
drowning someone in a bathtub. And then there's the the image
01:04:32
of him and his mother, like he's on the ground, his mother's
01:04:37
cradling him. And then all of a sudden they're
01:04:39
transposed. And then he's looking at
01:04:41
himself. I was like, wait, this is, this
01:04:44
is way too much going on way too fast.
01:04:45
Just. Don't.
01:04:47
Don't overthink it. So.
01:04:51
But you can't tell me none of that means.
01:04:53
I didn't say none of it means anything.
01:04:55
I just said don't overthink it. But I want to take it for
01:04:58
Anthony. That's what I do.
01:05:00
Thank you for face value. Thank you for face value.
01:05:05
So, so face value is these are past versions of himself and
01:05:11
past versions of himself are violent.
01:05:14
It could either be, but you also OK.
01:05:20
They could either be glimpses of him and other realities.
01:05:27
They could be glimpses of his future.
01:05:30
They could be glimpses of his past.
01:05:32
OK. This know that one of the main,
01:05:37
you know, one of the main things about being the father of lies
01:05:42
is manipulating the truth. So what you see may not
01:05:49
necessarily be in it's like men's visions.
01:05:54
Just because you see it doesn't necessarily give it.
01:05:57
It doesn't have any context. All these things that you see
01:06:01
have no context. Right.
01:06:03
So it's hard to walk you through them when we don't have any
01:06:08
context from this. That's why it's so off putting
01:06:11
either. Yeah, I can show you your past
01:06:12
lives, OK, But you don't know, those could have been
01:06:16
self-defense moments where he was trying to protect himself
01:06:20
from someone trying to kill. Him.
01:06:22
Like that doesn't make you a dark person.
01:06:26
Yeah, I guess the way that they present it, and yeah, it is a
01:06:29
little bit like manipulation even to us as the viewers,
01:06:32
because we already have it in his mind that supposedly he's
01:06:36
going to kill Rand. So now you're showing him all
01:06:40
these images of oh, look, here's you drowning somebody.
01:06:45
Oh, look, here's you hanging like you killed yourself.
01:06:47
That still being a killer. Oh look, your mom is saying
01:06:52
these bad things about you, which, you know, I I never liked
01:06:56
his mom from jump, but you know. But one of his insecurities is
01:06:59
he doesn't want to be like his father.
01:07:02
So of course she would say that you're just like him.
01:07:05
That's playing on his insecurities.
01:07:07
Yeah, yeah. So, OK.
01:07:10
Yeah, looking at it like that, I can see how, like you said,
01:07:13
there's no context. So we don't know exactly what it
01:07:17
is that he's being shown, but it's enough to, I think, freak
01:07:19
him out. Yeah, it is.
01:07:21
Yeah, and and maybe that's what that's, that's the mindset they
01:07:25
probably want him in for whatever it is they're going to
01:07:28
have that's going to happen with him in the next episode.
01:07:32
He's. The one that's like unstable and
01:07:38
most likely but closest to suggestion, just because of how
01:07:42
the dagger treated him. It's like they're probably still
01:07:45
trying to take advantage of that.
01:07:47
Yeah. And I think at the end when
01:07:50
Ishmael is actually cradling him, and I think that's when
01:07:53
Ishmael says the whole thing about all of this being done
01:07:57
over over. He was like, I just, I just want
01:07:59
to close my eyes and go to sleep and not wake up.
01:08:01
And Matt is looking at him and he has, you know, he's got a
01:08:04
tear coming out his eye. He kind of smiles a little bit
01:08:07
like, yeah, I think I wanted to. I was like, no, Matt, that's not
01:08:11
what we want. Don't listen to him.
01:08:13
But it's kind of like it, it, it felt like with all of the stuff
01:08:19
that Matt has been through and the stuff that he's just been
01:08:23
shown, they're trying to get Matt to a point where he feels
01:08:27
helpless, where he feels like, oh, there's no point in all of
01:08:31
this. Let me just go and again, that
01:08:34
makes me feel like Matt is supposed to do something
01:08:38
important because y'all are trying so hard to bring this
01:08:41
dude down. Like you said, Anthony, the way
01:08:44
that they've written him in the show, it's almost like he's
01:08:48
supposed to be a throwaway character, you know, like, oh,
01:08:51
Matt is the unreliable friend. Matt is the unlucky 1.
01:08:55
Matt is the one that he was locked up in a cell for six
01:08:59
months and no one, you know, no one knew where he was and nobody
01:09:03
cared enough to see, you know, to try to find him or it.
01:09:07
It feels like that's what they're trying to do.
01:09:09
They're trying to make Matt feel like he's this character, he's
01:09:11
this person that nobody cares about and that his existence
01:09:14
doesn't matter. And I'm like, yeah, there's
01:09:16
something big Matt is going to end up doing or being, and
01:09:20
that's why y'all are trying to, to hold him down.
01:09:23
I think at least that's the way I, you know, I, I feel,
01:09:27
especially with everything going on with the others as well.
01:09:33
It's like you're you're purposefully keeping them apart
01:09:36
and now you're trying to bring them together, either to kill
01:09:38
them or because they're about to do something awesome.
01:09:42
Are you talking about the the Rand crew bringing them all back
01:09:45
together? The the Two Rivers crew, yes.
01:09:47
Yeah, so yeah, they but remember, see Lanfield told him
01:09:51
what what the plan was. Yeah, the plan was to yeah and
01:10:01
and give me the option of joining them or killing them,
01:10:06
so. And I guess they figured they'd
01:10:09
try with Matt first, because Matt seems to be the weakest
01:10:13
link. Well, they're going to have if
01:10:15
it if, if witch McCauley hadn't escaped none Eve because of
01:10:22
Elaine. Like if Elaine hadn't been there
01:10:25
they probably would have Nanny and Wayne.
01:10:28
Yes. So.
01:10:29
So let's move on to that part of the conversation.
01:10:32
They probably have and then they would have all of them and he
01:10:37
already he got parent already so he has them all.
01:10:42
Well, he doesn't have parent yet, but he got he got to him.
01:10:46
He got to him. Yeah, when when he was in the
01:10:49
cart. But remember.
01:10:50
Yeah, because he he he knows where he is.
01:10:54
Yeah, I mean, he's literally outside home now.
01:10:57
Right. And he also said he ain't going
01:10:59
to mind it because by the time he gets here he's going to be
01:11:01
more wolf than man anyway and he ain't going to care so.
01:11:05
Yeah, yeah. OK, Let's we'll, we'll come back
01:11:08
to parent. Let's let's go back to 9.
01:11:10
Even Iguan. I mean Nineve and Elaine,
01:11:14
because Nineve is you know, they're they're walking around
01:11:18
disguised and nanny was trying to come up with a plan and
01:11:23
Elaine was like, no, we tried to Joe away.
01:11:25
That shit didn't work. You do what I say and follow me
01:11:30
and and nanny was looking at her like the hell, but she followed
01:11:35
her and what Elaine, I I guess what she led them to do it.
01:11:41
It worked. They were able to see L'Oreal,
01:11:44
let L'Oreal know that they were in the city.
01:11:46
They were able to find out some information about E Gwen and
01:11:50
about the the dynamic dynami, the the the money yes and and
01:11:56
the you know so Dom that's it right so Dom so and.
01:12:03
The kennels. Yep, and the kennels and and
01:12:06
where it was located. And so they come up with a plan.
01:12:10
Or maybe Elaine comes up with the plan, but her plan so far
01:12:16
seems brilliant. They have the a Dom that Remus
01:12:21
Sadai had, and they were like, OK, so do you think this will
01:12:25
work? What do you think it'll do to
01:12:26
her? When we put it on, I was like,
01:12:28
wait, who are they going to put it on?
01:12:30
And it was one of the Sodoms coming through the coming
01:12:36
through the way. And they basically they shock
01:12:40
her because Naive has the cuff on her arm.
01:12:43
And when she's looking at Naive and she's come confused, they
01:12:46
put it on her and then they knock her out.
01:12:49
I was like, oh, that's how they're going to get in.
01:12:52
Because if you think about it, my knee looks close enough to
01:12:58
what what the SIL Dom look like because she also wears her hair
01:13:03
and braids that we've seen the other SIL Dom do.
01:13:06
So I was like, oh, OK, they're going to try to fake their way
01:13:10
in, which is going to be kind of, that's going to be kind of
01:13:15
dangerous because of course nobody knows Nanny's face.
01:13:19
So they're going to look at her with some suspicion, right?
01:13:22
If that's what they do, if that's what they.
01:13:24
Do. Yeah.
01:13:25
I mean, I mean, but that nanny, nanny was already bossy enough
01:13:29
to to be like, yeah, it's fine. I mean, yeah, I hope that she
01:13:33
does something because it's like I'm getting tired of her just
01:13:37
like Spark, Spark not not doing anything.
01:13:40
I'm just like. Except for having an attitude
01:13:45
and rushing headlong into stuff. And you know, at least we did
01:13:50
see a little bit of, I don't want to say joy, but she was
01:13:54
happy to see Loyale. She was happy to see that he was
01:13:57
unhurt, even though he like I said, he is a servant of the
01:14:02
Sean Chan. But you know, he's he's walking
01:14:05
around the the market freely. So his circumstances aren't as
01:14:10
bad as like, say, E Gwain's, but you know.
01:14:14
I want, I want to, I want to smack them little kids upside
01:14:16
the head that were laughing at him as he was walking past.
01:14:19
You know what, little kids are going to be assholes.
01:14:22
That I mean that that is true in any genre, including real life.
01:14:27
Kids are going to be assholes to people who look different from
01:14:30
them. So, yeah, whatever with them
01:14:35
children, we don't care. But in Gwaine, let's move to her
01:14:42
because they have this little test of I guess, I guess it's
01:14:49
the show, the, the, the power or the connection, the bond between
01:14:53
the Sodom and the Damani. And you have this one pair that
01:14:58
goes and does this demonstration.
01:15:00
It's supposed to be like, what was it that you say it might
01:15:02
before we start recording their, their air bending and you see
01:15:08
the first group they, they do their little thing and they, you
01:15:12
know, they cause some a little bit of a shockwave and she's
01:15:15
like, oh, OK, that wave almost touched us.
01:15:18
Yeah, almost took that. Cool.
01:15:20
And Rena, Rena, let me say, let me let me say about her when
01:15:30
she's talking to Dwayne, it's so frustrating because she starts
01:15:35
out very complimentary to E Gwen.
01:15:41
And then what is it that Falcon said?
01:15:43
And Falcon in The Winter Soldier is always that last sentence was
01:15:48
that last thing. It's always that last sentence
01:15:51
She's telling me, Gwen. Yeah, this is a demonstration of
01:15:54
our power. She was like, what was the first
01:15:57
thing she said? She said don't embarrass me or
01:16:00
you or you will pay. And at this point, a Gwaine has
01:16:04
the full outfit on. So she has the Adam on.
01:16:07
She has the the gag in her mouth.
01:16:09
She can't speak. And I'm just sitting here like,
01:16:14
So they get ready to go and do their thing.
01:16:17
And Rena is giving her the compliments.
01:16:22
Yeah. This is the show, the bond.
01:16:25
Did you see her light? Your light is going to surpass
01:16:28
her. You're going to be better than
01:16:30
you know. You're going to be better than
01:16:31
anyone you're going to be. You're going to shine brighter
01:16:34
than everyone. Acting her.
01:16:36
Up and then that last sentence and then everyone will know your
01:16:40
mind. I was like see bitch it.
01:16:42
You should have just left it where it was.
01:16:44
But I understand she's still trying to make E Gwen feel less
01:16:50
than. So they get out there and Gwen
01:16:54
is looking around and she's looking mad and what was it Rena
01:16:58
said to her? She was like don't worry I don't
01:17:00
need you for this. Meaning I just need to take some
01:17:03
of your some of your your weaves and I can do this part by
01:17:08
myself. Gwen was like Nope.
01:17:12
She powered up and she put out a blast so hard that it knocked
01:17:17
everyone off their feet. And they felt and heard it in
01:17:23
the city. Now, I was kind of wondering
01:17:27
about this because I was like, E Gwen, do you really need to show
01:17:32
how powerful you are? Because I would think that would
01:17:35
be detrimental for her to show. Yeah, I'm, I'm.
01:17:40
I'm so powerful. I'm so powerful because I feel
01:17:42
like that would make them, I don't know, maybe try to contain
01:17:49
her a little bit more. They like that and also she
01:17:54
could look at like it's a warning.
01:17:56
Y'all been? Kidding, I did think that too,
01:17:58
especially after the exchange that she had with Renna later
01:18:02
on. I was like OK, because when they
01:18:05
had the exchange later, Renna comes into a Wayne's cell, which
01:18:11
I noticed now has a bed. I was like, OK, so I guess a
01:18:15
Wayne has been, she's been a lap dog, but long enough that
01:18:20
they're like, oh, we're going to give you a bed.
01:18:22
Or she's shown enough power that they're like, oh, we're going to
01:18:24
give you a bed. We're going to.
01:18:26
Reward you. She's a good enough girl to
01:18:27
actually get one, you know, right?
01:18:29
She gets water now. She gets a bed, right?
01:18:32
Keep it up. Get a pillow for that bed.
01:18:35
So when Rena comes in with the bowl of water, E Gwen is looking
01:18:38
at her kind of suspect, like OK, what is she about to have me do?
01:18:42
Because we know a Gwen does not have a good track record with
01:18:46
water while she's been Damani and Renaissance a sponge.
01:18:53
And she's like, roll up your sleeves and she starts like
01:18:56
gently washing her hands and her arms.
01:18:59
And I was like, what are y'all trying to do here?
01:19:05
What are y'all trying to do here?
01:19:06
Are y'all trying to make it seem like I I don't know.
01:19:10
I don't know if they were trying to make it seem like Rena not
01:19:15
has feelings for Wayne, not in that sense.
01:19:17
But again, I think Rena mentioned in last episode how
01:19:23
the Damani and Suldom bond. They're supposed to be close.
01:19:27
There's, you know, she's trying to be friends.
01:19:29
So I don't know if she thinks that's appealing to Egwayne.
01:19:33
And then she starts wiping her face and she's like, I
01:19:36
understand why you fight me. So because no one has told you
01:19:40
why we are here. And she said the, the, the, the
01:19:44
main task of the queen is to unite all of the people under
01:19:51
the light. And we are all a part of that,
01:19:53
you and I included. We're a big part of that, which
01:19:57
on the one hand is supposed to sound good, right?
01:19:59
You guys are for the light, which is supposed to be better
01:20:04
than the dark, right? It's supposed to be the good
01:20:06
part. But the way that you're going
01:20:08
about it, like if, if that's been on the good side, I don't,
01:20:11
I don't want to be on the good side if that means I got to be
01:20:13
your slave, if I got to be your pet.
01:20:16
I can understand E Wayne like whatever, because what she says
01:20:21
next, she's looking at Rena and she's so relaxed and she was
01:20:25
like Rena, Rena's like, yes, E Wayne, I'm going to kill you.
01:20:35
And the fact that she said it was.
01:20:38
A smile on her face. She said it.
01:20:39
Was not like went back, went back to the braid in her hair
01:20:42
like yeah right. Can't wait to kill this bitch.
01:20:45
And Rental was so mad as she leaves, but I was like, I feel
01:20:50
like there was something more happening in that moment because
01:20:54
she was able to say those words. And and if you think about it,
01:20:58
if you're saying that you're going to kill somebody,
01:21:00
obviously you're thinking it and you're feeling it.
01:21:04
And no harm came to her. Nothing happened to her.
01:21:07
She didn't, she didn't get the electric, you know, the
01:21:10
electrocution from the Adam like she did in the first episode.
01:21:13
In the first few days, weeks when she was there, I was like.
01:21:18
Oh well, she found the loophole. Yeah, that's what I was going to
01:21:21
say. She wasn't.
01:21:22
She wasn't thinking about a weapon.
01:21:24
She wasn't thinking about using something as weapon.
01:21:26
She just stated in fact, I will kill you.
01:21:31
She wasn't thinking of any weapons or anything, OK was
01:21:35
telling her. And I thought, I, I thought also
01:21:38
it might have been because she was being very passive in that
01:21:43
exchange, you know, and it's like she sat there, Rena came to
01:21:50
her. Rena was the one who was
01:21:52
initiating the contact. She was the one initiating the,
01:21:56
the, the conversation. She was the one that was kind of
01:21:58
sort of putting herself out there anyway, was just sitting
01:22:02
there. So it's like she didn't react.
01:22:05
She didn't, you know, she was just kind of there.
01:22:09
And I think that's probably part of it too, because she, like you
01:22:12
said, she wasn't actively thinking like, oh, I'm a kill
01:22:14
this bitch. She just said it as a fact with
01:22:18
no emotion behind it, with no anger, no nothing.
01:22:24
So I was like, oh, so she displayed a very significant
01:22:30
show of force earlier and then she told you she's going to kill
01:22:34
you and nothing negative happened to her.
01:22:37
Yeah, your time is about to come, bitch, cuz Wayne is
01:22:40
figuring some shit out. I'm ready for it.
01:22:46
I am ready for it. Anyway.
01:22:50
I'm just saying. This whole situation has got you
01:22:53
wound up. Bro, let me tell you, I'm just
01:22:58
sitting here like holding it in just like OK Gwen come on one
01:23:03
more episode, one more episode cuz she's got to do something
01:23:06
next episode. Next episode is season finale.
01:23:09
You are not going to tell me that it Gwen is still going to
01:23:11
be a demonic going into season 3.
01:23:13
That is unacceptable so. That would be so fucked up.
01:23:17
That would be so fun. And you can tell it's been it's
01:23:21
been some weeks because her face has completely healed.
01:23:25
Like she doesn't even have a bruise, her face is completely
01:23:30
healed so she. She could.
01:23:32
She could have had another another.
01:23:34
She could have had another. The money to heal her.
01:23:39
Yeah, she could have, I guess, if she felt like it.
01:23:42
Wayne was being compliant enough.
01:23:45
Maybe. Yeah.
01:23:47
But OK, let's when. Let's see.
01:23:53
Where do we want to go? Do we want to go to Perrin?
01:23:56
Perrin. Let's talk about Perrin and
01:23:59
Avianda and the other Ayeel. Wayne and Chiad.
01:24:05
Yeah. Yeah, otherwise known as
01:24:07
otherwise known as Wheel of Time presents Dune.
01:24:14
And it was so dark. Is it supposed to be dark like
01:24:17
that? What you mean?
01:24:19
The well towards the end when they're going towards farm.
01:24:25
Oh, it's all. There's no St. lamps.
01:24:28
Well, I'm just I, I, I guess it's, I guess it's closer
01:24:31
tonight. It just seemed weird because.
01:24:34
It was really dark. OK, OK, it was.
01:24:36
Really dark. I had to think about that was
01:24:38
like, wait, they have been walking for quite a while maybe.
01:24:41
But yeah, so parent gets introduced to two more IEO
01:24:48
people and the entrance. Maidens, Maidens of the spear.
01:24:53
Is that what they're called? OK, Maidens of the Spear.
01:24:55
So he's introduced the two more and they, they communicate with
01:24:59
each other through kind of like a sign language.
01:25:02
And it bothers me because there's no translation on the
01:25:05
screen. You know, I watch with closed
01:25:07
captioning. So I'm like, there's a little
01:25:09
bit 'cause like at the end I see when they finally get to farm
01:25:14
and they see all the water, they're like, this is all water.
01:25:17
How? So I'm assuming where there's
01:25:19
water outside of farm now that's usually not water there.
01:25:23
No. No, OK.
01:25:25
They were born and raised in the desert.
01:25:27
That's right. I was going to say because they
01:25:29
talk about how dry the land is where they are all the time.
01:25:34
Yeah, and, and and here they bury their, I forgot her name,
01:25:39
but they bury her there because it reminded them of home.
01:25:41
Yeah, yeah, So. And what was it that she said
01:25:46
happened? Avienda?
01:25:47
She said that she was defending herself and the other girl took
01:25:52
a spear to the back or a knife to the back.
01:25:55
And while she was captured by the white cloaks, her, the other
01:26:00
girl died from an infection. They couldn't, they couldn't
01:26:04
heal it, the white folks. So she has this kind of exchange
01:26:09
with the other two girls and they kind of look at each other
01:26:12
in agreement. And then they go off to the
01:26:14
side. They start shedding themselves
01:26:16
with like their weapons and like the extra clothing.
01:26:19
And she literally just puts her arm down and stands there.
01:26:22
And I was like, oh, that's gonna whoop my ass.
01:26:25
Which is exactly what they did. And then she explains to Parent
01:26:29
later on, 'cause Parent is looking like, yo, Hopper is over
01:26:32
there growling. Hopper is like, I don't like
01:26:34
this, but I'm not about to get involved.
01:26:37
Heron looks and he's about to step in.
01:26:39
The other girl was like, don't. Heron was like OK, my bad.
01:26:45
And then she explains that that's her.
01:26:47
I guess that's like her her her punishment.
01:26:51
It's her obligation. Her obligation?
01:26:53
The Yeah Gia toe, which is duty and obligation.
01:26:57
OK, yeah, because, because her friend got killed.
01:27:02
One of the I the IO way yes, duty and.
01:27:05
Application. It's like mutual flagellation.
01:27:07
Oh. My God.
01:27:12
Yeah. So after that they're walking on
01:27:14
the way to farm and parent is like so, so y'all cool now?
01:27:18
Like everything is OK. She was like, look, I, I, I did
01:27:21
what I was supposed to do. I had, you know, I had my
01:27:24
obligation. He said kind of like your
01:27:26
obligation to me. She was like, it's dishonorable
01:27:28
for you to mention that. But yes, I was like that.
01:27:32
That was another. I was thinking of Falcon in The
01:27:35
Winter Soldier. You know, he's out of line, but
01:27:37
he's right. So yeah, but.
01:27:42
But you're right, you did remind me of Dune because they were
01:27:44
like, look at all this water. And, and it was making me think
01:27:48
of the scene in the movie where where Paul was telling Johnny
01:27:53
about his home planet. Oh yeah.
01:27:56
It comes out, it just falls from the sky.
01:27:58
Yeah, we're everywhere. Yeah, we swim in it and
01:28:03
everything. She was like, what?
01:28:05
So, yeah. But they, they, they walk up and
01:28:08
they're like, here's all this water here.
01:28:11
How is it? And, and parent just looks and
01:28:13
he's like foam and he just has this look of I don't know if
01:28:19
it's determination or resignation, but he's just kind
01:28:21
of like, OK, whatever whatever's about to happen is about to
01:28:25
happen. We're here.
01:28:26
There's no turning back now. But at least he has three
01:28:30
warriors by his side, which I I found it interesting because I
01:28:36
don't know if Avienda's obligation to parent because he
01:28:40
saved her are her friends like tagging along for that?
01:28:44
OK, so. This.
01:28:44
This hers alone. OK, so they they just going
01:28:47
along for the ride. They're like oh y'all going to
01:28:49
fight? We going to go fight too.
01:28:51
Well, they, they, they have a they're, they're on the quest to
01:28:56
find the Kara Khan. Oh, that's right.
01:28:59
That's right. OK, I do remember that little
01:29:03
bit because she mentioned that. What was that 2 episodes ago
01:29:08
when she was telling parent what they were doing?
01:29:10
OK, so all right. Wait is the car is carcom bit
01:29:14
going to be rain? The chief of chiefs.
01:29:19
Oh God. OK, fine.
01:29:23
Look, you, you with the Rand hate, you are going to stop with
01:29:29
the Rand hate. Hey, hey, look, it it took, it
01:29:32
took me an hour. It took me an hour, 45 minutes
01:29:34
to actually start to say something bad about Rand this
01:29:37
time. I'm getting better.
01:29:38
I'm just saying, look, that this could be discriminatory.
01:29:41
I didn't even say anything. You're discriminating against a
01:29:44
young person. You're discriminating against a
01:29:46
ginger person. Oh my God, You and you and you
01:29:51
and your, You and your. Your gender.
01:29:53
Gender rights. Active activism.
01:29:55
Ginger rights. Activism.
01:29:59
That's right. Be nice to the gingers.
01:30:03
I'm just, I'm just saying it's like.
01:30:05
I apologize to all gingers on behalf of the fan of Hybrid.
01:30:11
You ain't got to apologize to that for me.
01:30:12
I loves me. I'm listening to some gingers.
01:30:15
I'm not even. You know this my.
01:30:16
Best friends are gingers. Mike is Mike's views are his own
01:30:20
and not reflective of the family.
01:30:23
Don't, don't put me in that category.
01:30:25
Stop. Stop it right now.
01:30:27
Calm down. And don't, don't, don't pull to
01:30:29
some of my best friends or genders.
01:30:31
That's the same. That's the same bullshit stuff
01:30:34
we hear white people say about black people.
01:30:35
Don't do it. Don't do it.
01:30:37
I'm just saying it's true though.
01:30:40
But I'm, I'm just OK. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm slowly, I'm
01:30:47
slowly coming around the end of this episode.
01:30:49
Maybe come, maybe come around a little bit on Ran.
01:30:52
I was like, OK, like. And now he's had time to process
01:30:57
some stuff. Right, so I'm so I'm telling
01:31:00
you, I'm giving him I'm I'm coming around a little bit on
01:31:03
him. So I'm like, OK, because that
01:31:05
because that was cool that he that he is, he was able to to
01:31:10
not kill Moraine and cut the knot instead of like like
01:31:13
injuring her. I was like.
01:31:15
Oh, OK. So we we can go back to to
01:31:18
Land's meeting with Logane. Yes, we we can talk about Land
01:31:23
fulfilling his obligation as a warder because again, Land from
01:31:27
the beginning of this episode, he was on a mission.
01:31:30
He was trying. To scuba doing this thing out.
01:31:33
What can I do? How can I help her?
01:31:36
How can I? I don't think.
01:31:37
I don't even think it was fixing her that was in his mind.
01:31:40
He was just like, how can I help her?
01:31:43
And you know, when he and Moraine had the conversation at
01:31:46
the beginning of the episode, she's pissed off with him
01:31:49
because he's now brought Suwan into this whole thing with the
01:31:52
Dragon Reborn and where he's supposed to go and everything.
01:31:55
And she's kind of mad. And he he basically tells her he
01:32:00
was like, look, you can't do this alone.
01:32:03
You can't do this by yourself. And I figured if I can't be the
01:32:07
one to help you, at least she can.
01:32:09
But again, she and Suwan two different that they're on two
01:32:14
different sides of this, so. Well then Land is a Thinker and
01:32:19
he's like, wait a second, she's been still for this long and she
01:32:23
haven't tried to kill herself. Something is going on here.
01:32:26
Yeah, 'cause what did, what did he say?
01:32:27
He he, he went to the towers and he, he did the research and he
01:32:32
said only two women in history, history have not killed
01:32:39
themselves after being still. So he was like, hmm, something's
01:32:44
not right with her. And again, like I said, LAN is a
01:32:51
quiet man, but he, like you said, he's a thinker.
01:32:54
He's sitting there. He's he's got the gears turning
01:32:57
in his head like OK, and and he's got the check boxes, OK.
01:33:00
She's not suicidal, check. She's this check.
01:33:03
She's got, she's in a foul mood all the time.
01:33:05
Check and. He's oh, but but also he said
01:33:08
something important. He said there were there were
01:33:12
rumors or legends that that during the Age of Legends they
01:33:19
could. The Forsaken could.
01:33:22
The Forsaken. Cut people off from the one
01:33:25
power without actually cutting. Them.
01:33:28
Yeah, without maintaining the weaves.
01:33:30
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. But he he tells her this at the
01:33:33
end. But he has already kind of sort
01:33:35
of figured this out when he goes to see Logane.
01:33:38
And of course, Logane is man, he was like, you helped put me
01:33:41
here, I got shit to say to you. And Lance teases him with a key.
01:33:45
Like I just need you to answer a question and you can, you can,
01:33:49
you know, go free Logan. He didn't.
01:33:52
He didn't say that though. He didn't say you go.
01:33:54
Free. I know.
01:33:56
I'm saying that's the implication.
01:33:58
That's the implication. He put the key down like, OK,
01:34:00
I'll give you this, you just got to give me some information.
01:34:03
So he tells Logan he was like, OK, so you can see men's weaves.
01:34:08
What do you see when you look at Moran?
01:34:10
And when he asked that question, I was like, Moran is not a man.
01:34:13
Why would he ask that? And then I thought about, I was
01:34:16
like, who is this going where I think it's going?
01:34:19
And then that's when Logan tells him he was like, she's covered
01:34:24
in weaves, men, a man's weave. And it's he was like the way he
01:34:29
was describing it. He was like, it's, it's covering
01:34:32
her, but it's not what, what, what was the terminology?
01:34:36
He said it's there, but it's not.
01:34:41
It's not still, it's not being actively fed by.
01:34:45
Yeah, maintained and fed. Yeah.
01:34:48
So basically she has, it's almost like she's got a chain
01:34:51
around her that she doesn't, that she's not aware is around
01:34:54
her. And I guess land at some point.
01:34:58
Figured if Logane can see it, Rand will be able to see it too.
01:35:02
And then Alana and the the guys come in and they like hey,
01:35:06
Karian is on fire and it's in the foregate.
01:35:09
So land takes the key and Logan is like you can leave the key.
01:35:13
He turns around. He said I didn't forget what you
01:35:17
did to Karanian stepping. He was like you can go free when
01:35:21
they take your ass back to the white tower and I know 2 brown
01:35:24
sisters who would love to, you know, study you.
01:35:28
I was like, oh, you made land marriage.
01:35:32
And The funny thing is, he says with the same calm that he does
01:35:37
everything else. I'm like, I, I just want to hear
01:35:39
him raise his voice one time. I just want to see what he's
01:35:43
like, like really, really mad because Logan is just looking at
01:35:47
him like fucker, like you tricked me, man was like, I
01:35:53
never said look, he learned from the eyes to die.
01:35:56
I never said I was setting you free.
01:35:58
I just sent the key there. I just let you think what you
01:36:00
want to think. Yeah, see, this is this is, you
01:36:03
learned that shit from Lorraine, because remember in the first
01:36:06
episode when she was convincing, convincing that merchant that
01:36:09
she wanted something else, that he just kind of threw in the
01:36:11
thing that she actually wanted? She's like, all right, there you
01:36:15
go. Cool.
01:36:15
Appreciate you, ladies. You should go.
01:36:19
Yeah. It was like you learn.
01:36:21
You paid twos paying attention. You paid attention.
01:36:23
Words are words are important. I think you said that before,
01:36:26
Anthony. The way you say things, words
01:36:28
are important. So again, we go back to what we
01:36:34
were talking earlier. They figure out that there's a a
01:36:37
way, a door to get into the ways, what they call it a
01:36:41
waygate. A waygate.
01:36:42
Yeah, they they figure out that there's a waygate, they go to
01:36:46
the weigh gate and of course, like you said, Swan is following
01:36:50
them while everyone else is supposed to be helping the hurt
01:36:54
and and trying to calm things down in town.
01:36:57
When they get there, they're talking about OK, Brand is like,
01:37:01
OK, what do I need to do to open the weigh gate?
01:37:03
And Lance said you're not going to, she's going to.
01:37:05
And Moraine, I think she feels like he's digging at her.
01:37:10
Like, you know, I can't channel, you know, I can't do this.
01:37:13
Why would you say this and land just Even so calm when he was
01:37:17
like, you can see weaves. What do you look at, Miranda?
01:37:20
Tell me what you see. And Miranda is like, the fuck
01:37:23
are you doing? And then that's when Rand is
01:37:25
like, yeah, it looks like a what did he say?
01:37:29
It looks like a cake. Looks like a cage.
01:37:32
In a. Knot or in a knot?
01:37:34
Yeah, he said. Looks like a knot.
01:37:36
And you and we can see her, you know her, her weaves.
01:37:41
And she's like, what? What do you mean?
01:37:44
And then that's when Land tells her about the the legends of the
01:37:49
Forsaken being able to do that. And they're like, OK, Rand, you
01:37:54
need to take it off, but you're going to have to cut through it.
01:37:57
And Rand is in here like what? And Moraine is looking at Land,
01:37:59
like the fuck you just. And Land is looking at her, just
01:38:03
ever so calm, like half a trust in him, And Rand is able to
01:38:10
break it free. And Moraine's holding me.
01:38:13
It's it, it almost looks like she, she got younger.
01:38:17
You know what I'm saying? It's like her face changed.
01:38:20
Her face looked free. She was like, Oh my God, I can
01:38:24
breathe again. It's like I, I don't know,
01:38:27
though. The weight of the world just
01:38:28
lifted off her shoulders and she's able to open the weight
01:38:31
gate. And like we said, Swan shows up.
01:38:35
She's she's what is it called? She Shields Rand.
01:38:42
She. She.
01:38:42
Knocks land out. And she's having this
01:38:46
conversation with Moraine about you need to close this gate now.
01:38:50
And she starts getting forceful. Moraine was like, look, I'm not
01:38:53
going to do that. I'm still staying the course.
01:38:57
I'm trying to do what we're supposed to do.
01:38:58
And what are we supposed to do? The dragon is supposed to claim
01:39:01
himself and farm, so that's where she's trying to do.
01:39:06
She's trying to get Ran to farm so that he can proclaim he is
01:39:09
the Dragon Reborn and so on. Is like, no, our way isn't
01:39:13
working. We need to take him back to the
01:39:15
tower. This is what she said at the
01:39:16
beginning of the episode. So again, they're on two
01:39:18
different paths at this point. When someone told her she was
01:39:22
like, look, don't make me do this.
01:39:25
Moran was like, if you ever love me at all, don't.
01:39:29
And then she says Moraine Dam Madrid and that was the thing
01:39:33
she called her Moraine Dam Madrid and not Moraine Sadai.
01:39:39
I was like, oh, OK, so this is this is not good.
01:39:43
And then she says, I command you to close the way gate.
01:39:46
And you see Moraine, she kind of turns because the one power is
01:39:51
forcing her to do what Swan told her to do.
01:39:56
And I was like, well, that's a 20 year relationship in the
01:40:00
trash. Because again, I I felt like
01:40:05
that was a a huge violation on salon.
01:40:10
Granted, I understand why she did it, because she thinks that
01:40:14
what she's trying to do is the right move.
01:40:17
And she was being made to do it. That too.
01:40:22
That too. But why?
01:40:26
See, I guess the interesting thing would be why would they?
01:40:31
Why would they compel her to make Moraine close the gate if
01:40:37
their goal is to get Ransif on in the first place?
01:40:41
A broken armaline is. Oh yeah, yeah, OK.
01:40:45
Dead armor, right? And what would break her more in
01:40:50
messing up their relationship? Yeah.
01:40:53
Watching her go through the gate even though she's begging her
01:40:56
not to. Yeah.
01:40:59
And and watching her go with the Forsaken.
01:41:03
With the Forsaken, 'cause I know that's the part I was looking at
01:41:07
because when Lanfiere does show up and like even Moraine tells
01:41:12
Swan she was like don't she's too powerful, Swan tries to
01:41:16
attack her and Lanfiere puts her on her ass like she.
01:41:21
Didn't even raise her hand up. Right, right.
01:41:28
And then when she gets ready to kill Moraine and ran steps in
01:41:32
front, she was like, I told you I would kill her if I saw you
01:41:35
together and was like, what? We're not going to do, You ain't
01:41:39
about to kill her because you want me to do what you want me
01:41:43
to do. So no, you're not going to kill
01:41:47
Moraine. We're going to go through this
01:41:50
door. We're going to do what the fuck
01:41:51
we need to do. And again, Lamphere is just
01:41:54
like, OK, whatever. I know Lamphere is about tired
01:42:00
of Ran. She's like, look, my affection
01:42:03
only extends so far. You about to get on my nerves.
01:42:07
I'm saying you cute, but you ain't that cute.
01:42:08
You need to. You don't need to stand.
01:42:10
Step in lines, little boy. I'm just saying.
01:42:14
But you got to know that when someone was on that ground and
01:42:17
she saw Lamphere talking to Ran and Moran and Moran was like,
01:42:21
no, we got to go. She's looking like what the
01:42:24
fuck? Because I know she's probably
01:42:26
wondering at this point if Moraine is a dark friend.
01:42:30
Because remember when she pulled up, Moraine was opening the way
01:42:34
gate and she said you lied to me about being still?
01:42:36
And Moraine was like, I can't lie.
01:42:40
But from where Sawan is standing.
01:42:43
If you're dark friend, you can, because if you're a dark friend,
01:42:45
you can't. Exactly.
01:42:47
Exactly. And then?
01:42:48
Or black eyes. If you're black eyes are you
01:42:50
could lie. Yeah, I mean, and all of a
01:42:53
sudden now you can channel and not only can you channel, but
01:42:57
you are leaving through the way gate with a forsaken.
01:43:01
So yeah, I'm sure someone probably has some pretty hefty
01:43:04
thoughts in her head right now about her Boo thing.
01:43:10
Like is this picture dark friend?
01:43:12
Like, did we do? And now she's probably really
01:43:14
thinking we did all the shit for nothing.
01:43:16
We did all the shit for nothing because now Moraine has ran and
01:43:21
if she is a dark friend that's not good.
01:43:24
I mean. We know, we know the truth.
01:43:30
If if this if if this stuff is going to go the way I think it's
01:43:36
going to go. Y'all just don't understand how
01:43:38
powerful compulsion is and how easily the forsaken can do it.
01:43:45
Yeah. Just just saying just just wait.
01:43:50
Just wait. I I mean.
01:43:55
Because you saw they've already done it on, on.
01:43:59
Barium Sedai. Barium sedai.
01:44:01
Yeah. And they're forsaken.
01:44:02
They have to do it because none of these people know how to do
01:44:05
the the weaves for compulsion. I think Leandrin did it.
01:44:12
Oh OK, but how so does that mean that because right now the only
01:44:23
Forsaken that we have confirmed has been released and is walking
01:44:28
around is land fear? So does that mean that land land
01:44:31
fear somehow ended up in the dark?
01:44:34
I mean in the White Tower or. If either one of them wanted to
01:44:40
go into the White Tower, they could go into the White Tower
01:44:43
whenever they wanted to. Oh, OK.
01:44:46
The I guess, I guess we're not making it clear.
01:44:52
You you see, she basically instantaneously transports.
01:44:55
She can invade her dreams. Shamia is more powerful than she
01:45:00
is. Yeah.
01:45:01
Than Linfield. So yeah, if they wanted to go
01:45:06
into the white tire and compulsory, they could.
01:45:10
If Lanfrey wanted to go into her dreams, she could.
01:45:14
She's a she's a dream master. She.
01:45:17
I guess I would. Why?
01:45:19
Why would that surprise you? No, because.
01:45:22
I I think I. Think if Leandre hold on.
01:45:24
If Leandre could compulse, she would have been doing it a long
01:45:29
time ago to a lot of different people.
01:45:32
OK, and I get that. But I guess the thing for me
01:45:35
that maybe surprises me, I won't say confused, it surprises me is
01:45:41
that you would think that knowing the threats out there,
01:45:45
that the White Tower would have some kind of protections in
01:45:50
place. Like, and I don't know, I don't
01:45:52
know how magic on that level works in this world.
01:45:57
But like, you know, if, if, if we're thinking about other
01:46:00
magical or fantasy properties like Hogwarts or, you know, some
01:46:04
of the other things, there are Shields in place to where people
01:46:08
can't get through. So I would just think that
01:46:11
something like that would exist for the White Tower as well.
01:46:15
The current president, modern day Azadi, do not know how to
01:46:23
create Shields that stay. They have to stand there and
01:46:27
maintain them. Oh.
01:46:28
OK, OK. That's number one.
01:46:30
Number two, again, none of them are powerful enough to deal with
01:46:37
the Forsaken, except maybe Gwen, Naive Elaine, and Rand, right?
01:46:44
And they don't even know how to do anything yet.
01:46:48
OK. And I was just so when you said
01:46:50
that, I'm like, so I know we keep hearing about how powerful,
01:46:56
especially the three women, because Rand, of course, like
01:46:58
you said, Rand is the Dragon reborn.
01:47:00
So of course he's the most powerful person.
01:47:02
But those three to even put them in the same sentence and then
01:47:07
for you to say they're probably the only one strong enough for
01:47:11
the forsake. And I'm like, oh, that means
01:47:13
when you seen. Shit, Oh my bad, I didn't.
01:47:15
I didn't mean to let that slip. Well, I mean, sorry.
01:47:19
My bad. Well, you knew about the not,
01:47:22
not even Iguane, I mean. I mean.
01:47:26
All the most powerful we've seen in.
01:47:29
A. 1000 years and they say Gwen and Elaine because they're like
01:47:37
Gwen is the most powerful novice we've ever seen and.
01:47:42
They even said something about how powerful she is as a
01:47:46
demonic. She was like, your light is
01:47:48
going to outshine all of them, like you're going to be the the
01:47:50
most powerful. So if if they can just see that
01:47:54
just with the limited amount of power that Iguane has right now.
01:47:58
Because again, yeah, Iguane is starting to show her power, but
01:48:02
we haven't seen it on a big scale yet.
01:48:06
So I think. They haven't been like their
01:48:09
full potential yet. Yeah, so.
01:48:11
Yeah, yeah, they, they are. They are on forsaken level
01:48:17
power. OK, so since you say that about
01:48:19
Naive, I'm just going to hold on to that and it give me hope that
01:48:24
Naive becomes a little more likable, just a little bit more
01:48:28
because I don't want her to be this powerful and then me be
01:48:31
like I can't stand this bitch, I don't want to do that.
01:48:35
But right now she is just. I mean again from the books
01:48:42
popularity Magic's number one Nyneve is number 2.
01:48:46
But you also said Nyneve is is pretty much an asshole in the
01:48:49
books too. Yeah, but the one thing that she
01:48:52
does, which why everyone loves her, is she protects those three
01:48:57
of her kids. OK, Like to she yes, she gets
01:49:03
there and she's only there for them.
01:49:07
OK, OK. Everything she does is to
01:49:11
protect them, and she's being an ass to people is to protect
01:49:14
them. She's being an ass to them is to
01:49:17
protect them. OK, you want to talk about the
01:49:19
ultimate mother hen? OK, that's her.
01:49:22
I can see. I can.
01:49:23
I can work with that. I can.
01:49:25
Work with that. That is her.
01:49:27
But it's just it's. And she and she is a hypocrite.
01:49:30
She is a hypocrite. She she gets on.
01:49:33
I think it was the Elaine for how she was dressing.
01:49:36
And then you turn around and all you wear is silk dresses.
01:49:40
That's that's her. Oh, OK.
01:49:44
Yeah, stop dressing like a hitch, mom.
01:49:46
And then she walk around just like, you know, like, you know,
01:49:49
that's just that's the exact, that's not how she dressed.
01:49:53
But it's that mentality, right? Do as I say, not as I do.
01:49:58
She's she's and you know, we love her for it.
01:50:01
She's great. OK.
01:50:04
All right. I'll, I'll, I'll take your word
01:50:06
for it. So OK, let's see.
01:50:10
Do did did we skip anything? I feel like we skipped
01:50:13
something. Let's see.
01:50:15
We talked about Mad Parent, we talked about all the Two Rivers
01:50:19
people. We talked about Land, Moraine,
01:50:22
Swan, manfare, I think everything.
01:50:27
Yeah, I think that was everything.
01:50:28
OK, one episode left for season 2.
01:50:33
We're we're almost caught up finally.
01:50:37
Yay. For y'all to start watching.
01:50:40
I know, I know. I'm like, I'm excited because
01:50:46
you're excited. And that, like, that has me
01:50:49
excited because I've not heard you say anything that glowing
01:50:54
about an episode in a long time. Episode 1.
01:51:00
Nine out of 10. Episode 2.
01:51:04
Nine out of 10. Episode 3 9 out of 10.
01:51:08
If so, for 10 out of 10. Oh, OK, I'm excited.
01:51:14
I can't wait. OK.
01:51:18
Is there anything else that we need to mention?
01:51:20
Mike, you got some shout outs. Shots and Liam Sharif for being
01:51:24
for being like the being the scapegoat and just being
01:51:28
mistreated this whole season. Like she was holding she over
01:51:31
there holding Rand that she has tricked into leaving her post.
01:51:34
And she's like, I'm here for OK, I'm here for you.
01:51:37
She's like, so I was like, what are you doing here?
01:51:40
Like you asked me like I was like, see.
01:51:45
And then it's like because she's had attitude this whole season,
01:51:49
like when was like every time, every time something happens,
01:51:52
she's just like she's, I mean, she's been rolling her eyes more
01:51:55
this season. Yeah, but also I feel like,
01:52:00
because I thought that too, I was like, OK, she always has a
01:52:03
nasty attitude, but no, she's just always like, she is so
01:52:08
protective of Swan and anything that that ruffles Swan's
01:52:15
feathers at all. She don't like it.
01:52:17
She don't like Leandrian, she don't like Moraine, she don't
01:52:21
like none of them. She's like, look, y'all giving
01:52:23
this woman a headache and I'm tired of it.
01:52:25
But yeah, I thought that too. I was like, she got such a nasty
01:52:28
attitude, but one the way she walked in that room, I was like,
01:52:33
OK, this is a woman who was like, look, I'm tired of y'all
01:52:38
fucking some shit up. I don't want to be in Kyrie in I
01:52:42
want to be in the White Tower and y'all got me out here, damn
01:52:45
it. I look good, but I don't want to
01:52:47
be out here and I don't want to be dealing with this bullshit.
01:52:52
So yeah, I I get it. She got the attitude.
01:52:55
But boy, let me tell you, if anything comes down, I have a
01:53:01
feeling she's going to be the first one with her sword, her
01:53:05
her weapon, her whatever up to be like, OK, look, it's it's
01:53:10
time to fight. Yeah, I can see that shot just
01:53:14
swap being the rainmaker and like putting the fire out.
01:53:18
I was like, oh, I was like, I see you showing off like that.
01:53:23
That was that was actually pretty cool.
01:53:24
I like that and and like shut up to I I still, I don't care what
01:53:31
anyone says. I really like Swan and Rain
01:53:36
together. You could tell how much like
01:53:39
love there is. But each of them knows that
01:53:42
something needs to be done. They're going at it different
01:53:44
ways and it's tearing them apart.
01:53:46
And that's just like tragic as fuck.
01:53:49
But I like the little background that we got into their love
01:53:52
story where they were sneaking around like teenagers trying to
01:53:54
see kisses here and there. And I was like.
01:53:56
And talking about meeting Moraine's father and talking
01:53:59
about, oh, am I going to be your fishwife?
01:54:01
No, you're going. You're going to be my fishwife.
01:54:03
Yeah, it was cute. Fishwife.
01:54:06
I was like, oh, oh God, really? Casey Casey Marine fishing for
01:54:09
nothing. Like get out of here.
01:54:11
So 1 can't either. That's what she was like.
01:54:15
I don't see that happening. But yeah, I thought it was cute.
01:54:19
I felt again like when Brain found out that she hadn't like
01:54:24
permanently lost her powers. It kind of remind me of the
01:54:27
Wizard of Oz where Linda said you've had the power all along.
01:54:31
He's like, you mean to tell me that I could have got my powers
01:54:36
a long time ago and not going through all this bullshit.
01:54:40
Like I was like, damn, that's fucked up.
01:54:42
But you know, she's an actor fucked up so she deserve that
01:54:45
shit. I don't care the quote was damn
01:54:48
prick like him or that Matt's mom was saying.
01:54:53
Oh, OK, yeah. Damn prick like him.
01:54:58
That shit was just like. Fuck and the crazy thing is I
01:55:02
really forgot about Matt's dad and how bad he was because what?
01:55:07
We haven't seen Matt's parents since the first episode of the
01:55:09
first season. The Season.
01:55:11
Yeah. Oh yeah.
01:55:12
I forgot about how bad he was. But when Anthony mentioned he
01:55:15
was like when he said yeah, he doesn't want to be like his
01:55:18
father, I was like, Oh yeah, his father was the one that was like
01:55:21
openly cheating on the mom while the mom was sitting right there.
01:55:24
Yeah, you know what? He's an ass.
01:55:27
Yeah, but I, I mean, I feel, I feel like I feel they're
01:55:32
getting, they're getting ready to give to, to give Matt a
01:55:35
little bit of a little bit of retribution because people,
01:55:39
myself included, and I'll admit, like, feel that he's just kind
01:55:43
of been a tertiary character and like kind of a douchebag for not
01:55:49
going with them through the portal the first time in the
01:55:51
first season and just kind of being kind of looking.
01:55:56
I mean, they're kind of portraying him like a junkie,
01:55:57
just like kind of trying to get his life right in this series.
01:56:01
And it's like, I know Anthony has said that there's more to
01:56:04
him. So I'm looking forward to it.
01:56:05
I actually hope he turns his shit around because I mean, I
01:56:09
like his attitude because he's like, I mean, you could tell
01:56:14
that there's more to him than what they're showing.
01:56:18
And because, like, even when he was in in prison, even though it
01:56:22
was kind of set up, like, he figured out how to, like, how to
01:56:26
get into the other room and, like, not and not betray what he
01:56:29
was doing, even though Leandra probably knew what she was
01:56:32
doing. Speaking of which, Leandra being
01:56:34
able to enter people's heads is scary as fuck.
01:56:37
I never wanted to think about that again.
01:56:39
Like, like, do what land fear does, like to influence people's
01:56:44
minds. If Leandra did that, like,
01:56:47
that's just, yeah, I can't do that.
01:56:50
No, that's some bullshit. Yeah.
01:56:54
But yeah, I can't wait for the. Family she she would just be
01:56:57
like Cassandra in Deadpool versus.
01:56:59
Wolverine. Oh my God.
01:57:01
Oh yeah, no, yeah. Working like a puppet.
01:57:12
No. Yeah, I can't wait for this last
01:57:14
episode. I do want to give a shout out to
01:57:18
the the costume department in this show because Oh my God,
01:57:26
these clothes that they are wearing, even the stuff that's
01:57:30
supposed to be like just the the the general townsfolk clothing
01:57:36
looks so good. And like the the outfit that Ran
01:57:42
had on when he went to go meet Swan, you know, he had on a nice
01:57:47
decent coat before and then the one that Lamb put on him.
01:57:50
And then with the, you know, he had the white shirt with the
01:57:53
embroidered collar and then his sword.
01:57:56
It was just like. Empty Lan's Lan's dress.
01:58:03
I didn't, I just say she was walking through that like a
01:58:06
bitch. I know I look good but I would
01:58:07
rather be in the town. She was looking good and like, I
01:58:14
mean just, and, and I hate to say it, like I said last week
01:58:18
with Loyale and Inktars, they're the servants wear because
01:58:23
there's another lady in the in the village who's wearing it
01:58:28
when the soldiers are going through that, that light blue
01:58:33
and gold is so pretty. And even the stuff that like the
01:58:38
Damani and the the slow Doms where the the black slow Dom who
01:58:43
was in charge of the little training session today, she was
01:58:46
looking good. I was like, that outfit looks so
01:58:50
good on you, but I can't like you because of what you see, who
01:58:55
you are. Right.
01:58:58
Yeah, I just their, their costuming is, is amazing.
01:59:02
So yeah, but OK, up till last episode, hopefully we see a lot
01:59:11
of action, hopefully we see some reunions because like I.
01:59:15
Said. You know, we're going to.
01:59:16
You've already been over this. All roles lead to foam.
01:59:20
Everybody, everybody meets in the middle is like.
01:59:22
Yeah, this, this episode was getting everybody in position.
01:59:27
So. And everybody else.
01:59:29
Oh, and also, I will say this too, I'm glad that Moraine knows
01:59:36
that she has a community to help her through this cause like LAN
01:59:41
told her at the beginning of the episode, you can't do this by
01:59:44
yourself. And I'm glad that she knows that
01:59:46
she has people that she can trust.
01:59:49
The you know, we're still working out there.
01:59:53
But Alana, I don't know if I Yeah, but.
02:00:00
No, Alana was. Yeah, they helped.
02:00:03
Yeah, but you know, we were talking about Varon maybe being
02:00:07
a dark friend. So, but you know, Alana and and
02:00:11
Max Maxim and Ivan, they were like, you don't you don't have
02:00:15
to do this alone. We're we're with you.
02:00:18
So I hope that all of the the the speculation that we had
02:00:23
about Varon earlier in this recording, I hope that all of
02:00:27
that proves false and that she isn't a dark friend and that she
02:00:31
really is just, I don't know, three steps ahead of everyone
02:00:35
else and she really is on Moraine and Rands side.
02:00:37
I really hope that's what it is. So you can be playing a great
02:00:40
game too. Yeah, yeah, I So let's just hope
02:00:43
that that's what it is and that this is our proof that Moraine
02:00:46
has strong people behind her because we know she's about to
02:00:50
get some opposition. Leandra has already been
02:00:53
revealed as a dart friend. She just basically cut her ties
02:00:58
with Swan, so she's going to need that support and she's
02:01:01
going to need people to believe in what she's what she's doing
02:01:04
and for people to believe in rant and not try to just kill
02:01:08
him. So I'm glad we did get to see
02:01:11
that as well. So I'm ready for the last
02:01:16
episode, I'm ready to see the reunions, I'm ready for a Gwen
02:01:21
whip Renner's ass, I'm ready to see my my folks in captivity
02:01:26
escape and I guess Rand. Is let my people go.
02:01:35
And I guess Rand is about to proclaim himself as the Dragon
02:01:39
Reborn, so I want to see exactly what that looks like.
02:01:43
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