#thewheeloftime Rand makes a deal that puts some distance between him and Moiraine. Nynaeve and Elayne learn more about the Seanchan and warn Rema Sedai about Liandrin's change of allegiance. Egwene gets a rough lesson in what being a Damane really means. Ingtar and Loial gather information about the Horn of Valere. Mat has a happy reunion, but has to make a painful decision when he learns of Min's betrayal. Lan makes a confession to the Amyrlin Seat. Moiraine attempts to make amends with her family. Rand is confronted on his way to Falme.
Editor's Note: Around the 8:30 mark, we begin discussing the actor playing the role of Renna, and it is brought to our attention that they prefer he/they pronouns, although they are playing a confirmed female character. Our usage of she/her pronouns after that were specifically talking about the character - not the actor - and we wanted to make that clear in case it seemed as if we were misgendering actor Xelia Mendes-Jones. That was not our intention.
Mentioned in the episode: JordanCon is a Science Fiction/Fantasy literature convention founded in honor of Robert Jordan, author of the Wheel of Time. JordanCon will take place April 25-27 in Atlanta GA, and we will be attending as Media guests. Find out more info by clicking the link.
00:00:25
What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
00:00:28
of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
00:00:31
with Anthony and Mike, and we are talking about season 2,
00:00:35
episode 6 of The Wheel of Time, which is probably my most hated
00:00:40
episode of this entire series. But before we get into that,
00:00:46
because I think we're all going to be on soapboxes for this
00:00:49
episode, I need to talk about something Anthony mentioned
00:00:55
prior to us recording. So we are obviously very behind
00:01:02
in recording our season 2. Season 3 has already started.
00:01:05
It started last week with a three episode drop and then they
00:01:09
released the 4th episode this week.
00:01:12
So y'all who have been listening to us, y'all know how Anthony
00:01:15
has been feeling about the adaptation of this show from the
00:01:18
books because they changed a lot.
00:01:21
So Anthony gets on the Zoom tonight and he says I got
00:01:25
something that's spoilery but not spoilery.
00:01:27
I said OK. He said I watched episode 4
00:01:29
today. I said OK, what did you say to
00:01:32
me, Anthony? I said after that episode, these
00:01:39
people, they can do whatever they want to do.
00:01:41
It was it was that good. Like, I don't care if it doesn't
00:01:46
have if they keep doing this, it doesn't matter if they straight
00:01:49
from the book because the episode was really, really,
00:01:53
really good. I'm so shocked.
00:01:56
I'm so shocked. I'm.
00:02:00
Yeah. So yeah, we, we need to finish.
00:02:03
We need to get through this because I need for y'all to
00:02:06
start watching. Yeah.
00:02:08
Season 3. 'Cause I'm really I'm really
00:02:10
trying to hold off. Well, we just skipped talking
00:02:13
about this one. Go ahead and wrap it up so.
00:02:15
That's. Our show for tonight Fund us at
00:02:18
fandomharper.com. We have to go into this one
00:02:21
because this episode, so I'm not saying it was a bad episode,
00:02:25
it's not a bad episode. It's just the fact that we are
00:02:29
dealing with elements of slavery and non consent and all of this
00:02:36
with these characters, particularly with the brown
00:02:39
characters in the episode. And I remember the first time I
00:02:45
watched it, and I remember when we discussed this this season at
00:02:49
Conjuration 2023, I remember there were some strong feelings
00:02:54
about that, especially coming from me because I was like, OK,
00:02:57
as a woman, as a Black woman or brown woman, however you want to
00:03:01
put it, biracial woman, whatever.
00:03:04
As a minority, this episode was tough to get through like that.
00:03:12
What's her name? Rena.
00:03:14
That bitch needs to die. May this is basically.
00:03:18
Female buck breaking. I mean, it was hard to watch.
00:03:21
I was watching it and I had to pause it multiple times because
00:03:24
I'm like, not only is she gaslighting her, she's
00:03:28
physically, mentally and emotionally buck breaking her.
00:03:31
And I was just like, no, no, no, no.
00:03:36
And the and the crazy thing is, it's so interesting because Rena
00:03:41
doesn't look, I think that's her name.
00:03:43
She doesn't look that much older than Iguane is.
00:03:48
So you know that she's been brought up to think that this is
00:03:51
OK. And there are certain moments
00:03:54
where she's talking to Iguane and you feel like she really
00:03:59
actually thinks that what she's doing is OK, Like, she doesn't
00:04:03
see anything wrong with it. And she actually thinks that
00:04:06
there's a chance for her and Gwen to become bonded and to
00:04:09
become friends. And I don't know the actress's
00:04:13
name. I didn't look it up.
00:04:15
She does a magnificent job in playing that duality because
00:04:20
it's like, on the one hand, you can see where she has the
00:04:24
arrogance and she has the entitlements of what did she say
00:04:29
to her? You're not a woman, you're a
00:04:31
demonic. I was like, oh, bitch, hold up.
00:04:34
But then on the other hand, when they had the scene where she was
00:04:39
connected to her and they set the tree afire, the way that she
00:04:45
looked, she really looked happy. Like, yes, this is going to
00:04:51
work. We're going to be friends and
00:04:52
it's going to be OK. We're going to be connected.
00:04:54
And then when E Gwang still couldn't, you know, pour the
00:04:59
water and she got so mad enough that she actually struck E GUI,
00:05:04
I was like, yes, she really feels like this relationship is
00:05:10
like cohesive. And it's, it's, it's such a
00:05:14
weird thing to watch, especially I'm getting a little political,
00:05:19
especially in this day and age when we have what's going on
00:05:23
with our real life world happening and we see kind of
00:05:28
some parallels starting to take place.
00:05:31
But it like I said, it was a good episode, but it was a rough
00:05:36
episode. Man, especially like, I mean,
00:05:42
she she gives her the free reign to let loose with her powers and
00:05:49
that I mean for any for her in that situation that was just
00:05:53
like being able to run and she let let her cat loose.
00:05:57
But then she's like, OK, now I need you to be go back to be
00:06:00
subservient to me. I need you to do do what you
00:06:03
need to do. And she still can't do it.
00:06:05
And the fact that she can't do anything.
00:06:08
She can't even pick up a handful of dirt if she's thinking about
00:06:12
throwing it at her. If she picks up that handful of
00:06:13
dirt, she's going to be in like she's going to be broken down.
00:06:17
And I'm just like, that's some like that, that's that's like
00:06:21
the worst kind of captivity, man.
00:06:24
Like holy shit. I was, I was so mad.
00:06:27
I was just like I. Knew you would be.
00:06:31
If I was equating, I just be like you, you, you, you're not
00:06:35
gonna break me. I'm gonna break myself.
00:06:36
It's like you're I'm not gonna bow down to you.
00:06:39
And you can, you can. Whatever you try is just not.
00:06:42
I'm not gonna do it. I'm not.
00:06:43
I'm not. Yeah, it hurt me when when he
00:06:46
Gwen finally gave in at the end. But I mean, we don't even know
00:06:50
what the time span is from when this started to when she finally
00:06:55
gave in. It could have been weeks, it
00:06:57
could have been months. And every day she's going
00:07:00
through this pain. You saw her eyes.
00:07:02
Both of her eyes were were bloody look like her corneas
00:07:06
might have been detached and just oh, just the the physical
00:07:12
abuse that she was. I can't even say that she was
00:07:14
subjected to because aside from that one, that one beating,
00:07:19
everything else was self-inflicted because of what
00:07:23
the what did, what did they call that, Adam?
00:07:26
Adam. Adam.
00:07:28
Because of what that thing does. And I was just like, this is
00:07:32
rough. Yeah, remember from Season 1 I
00:07:36
need, I think it was season 1 I need said she was talking about
00:07:41
Gwen and she said that she was unbreakable.
00:07:45
Yeah, I thought. And even in this episode, Antar
00:07:47
was like, oh, she if anyone can survive this, it's going to be
00:07:52
her. Oh, L'Oreal, said it.
00:07:55
Oh yeah, Yeah, we all said it. Yeah, you see at the end.
00:07:59
Yeah, she she couldn't. The thing that really hurt me is
00:08:03
that it's not really like a white person doing it.
00:08:05
It's someone who is close enough in her skin tone.
00:08:08
And she's actually, I think she's she's Hispanic.
00:08:11
Her name is Zelia Mendez Jones, the woman girl who plays woman
00:08:15
who plays Rena. And I'm like, yeah, the fact
00:08:17
that they. Look, their pronoun, their
00:08:19
pronouns are he and him being them.
00:08:22
They them just so you know. Yeah, thank you.
00:08:24
I appreciate it. So they are so close to a Gwain
00:08:31
like as far as skin tone is just it's almost like it's almost
00:08:38
like a like a sister doing it to another sister.
00:08:41
Not like sister, but like sister.
00:08:44
Like it was like it was painful. Yeah, that's the other part of
00:08:49
it too. Just like another a, a, a woman
00:08:53
just being the the of another woman.
00:08:58
And and like I said that one line that she said when Winnie
00:09:03
Gwen said something to her about I'm a woman who's such and such,
00:09:06
I'm a free woman or something, She was like, you're not a
00:09:09
woman, you're a demonic. I was like, wait, they don't
00:09:13
even look at them as like human. They're just slaves.
00:09:19
They're. No, they're worse than that.
00:09:20
They're like they're pets. Yeah.
00:09:23
Because even the place where they keep them is called the
00:09:25
kennels and. She did, yeah.
00:09:28
She patted her. Yeah, she patted her on the
00:09:30
head. Like good dog, you know, it's,
00:09:33
it's, it's, it's, it's horrendous is where it's
00:09:37
horrifying is what it is. That's OK 'cause that means when
00:09:41
a Gwen finally breaks through and she's gonna have to
00:09:44
breakthrough, I'm waiting to see the epic ass whooping that girl
00:09:51
is gonna get. And not even just her Lady Sue
00:09:55
Roth as well with the way that she's treating Loyale and Intar
00:10:00
is like, and although with Ingtar, we didn't really see him
00:10:04
being mistreated, so to speak, in this episode, but loyal,
00:10:12
having him sing his his song and, you know, put it like
00:10:17
having him perform for the guests and then her so casually
00:10:21
speaking about, Oh, well, if we're measuring riches and
00:10:25
demonic that I, you know, I'm richer than Lord Turok.
00:10:29
And Oh, I should give him the Oh, I was just it, it just oh,
00:10:34
it it. And honestly, it could have been
00:10:38
a white actress playing Dwayne. I still would be pissed.
00:10:44
I still would be pissed. But it's just a little bit more.
00:10:46
Like I said last week, it's kind of sort of like the whole
00:10:50
Masande in Game of Thrones when Cersei took her captive and put
00:10:56
her back in chains after Daenerys had freed her and she
00:10:59
had lived, lived as a free woman.
00:11:01
It's just it it. Oh.
00:11:06
Yeah, and fucking fucking loyal, man.
00:11:09
I was just like they've, I mean, it's almost like a slave owner
00:11:14
making a slave singing Negro spiritual is like perform for
00:11:17
me. I'm just like, I mean, that was
00:11:19
I didn't know you could do that, to be honest.
00:11:21
Like like singing and growing stuff.
00:11:23
I was like, that was that shit was that shit was really.
00:11:26
Yeah, 'cause we don't know much about his people.
00:11:29
Background, yeah. Yeah.
00:11:32
The old gear, old gear seen they can shape and grow trees and
00:11:37
plants and stuff. That's one, that's one of their
00:11:41
one of the things, because that's why she called him
00:11:43
gardener and Antar called him builder because they can do the
00:11:48
same thing with stone. Yeah.
00:11:50
Oh, OK. But I, I, I need, I need loyal
00:11:55
to sing to them trees. I have them strangle them folks
00:11:58
and get them out. I mean, I know it's not like the
00:12:01
trees in Lord of the Rings, but I he needs to do something
00:12:05
'cause. Yeah, I wonder if it depends on
00:12:09
like, like the theme of the song, like if he could sing go
00:12:11
down Moses and like have have the tree come out and like start
00:12:15
grabbing people and thought like let my people go.
00:12:20
Like if that was a literal thing and he can just start, yeah,
00:12:26
that's what he needs to do. I was hoping before Rena had
00:12:30
Iguane destroyed the tree. I was like, after I saw that, I
00:12:33
was like, oh, OK, there's a tree there, but yeah, I can do
00:12:37
something. Then the tree burned and I was
00:12:39
like, damn it. Can you regenerate it?
00:12:44
I don't know. If it was still alive.
00:12:48
If part of it, like if there was a part of it still alive, he
00:12:51
could. OK, Yeah.
00:12:53
Yeah, but she had Iguane go down to the roots.
00:12:56
And that's the other thing. Like, you're sitting here and
00:13:00
you're being all happy because you guys are working in tandem
00:13:03
to do this. And I guess E Gwaine did that so
00:13:07
that she could see what the extent of the power or the
00:13:10
connection could be. But the fact that you made her
00:13:14
burn down that tree after literally just acknowledging,
00:13:18
look at the tree, E Gwaine, I know it brings you comfort.
00:13:22
Then you have her burn the tree now, bitch.
00:13:26
That's part of breaking her. I know, but it Oh my God.
00:13:30
And here's the thing, as hard as this episode was to watch, I do
00:13:38
also appreciate that they didn't really hold back because stuff
00:13:45
like that, that's a part of our history.
00:13:48
Stuff like that is still going on in the world today, in other
00:13:53
parts of the world where people are treating other people as
00:13:56
objects, as belongings, as like you said, pets, as less than.
00:14:03
And I, you know, one of the things that we have talked about
00:14:06
before and it has always been talked about, there are a lot of
00:14:09
times when TV shows, films, books, the the media, our
00:14:16
entertainment can be used to teach people who may not be
00:14:20
aware that things like this exist.
00:14:23
And I hate to say it, we know it, especially again, with our
00:14:28
current political landscape, there really are people who have
00:14:34
gone to school and who have never really heard the truth
00:14:39
about slavery, learn the truth about how other people treat
00:14:44
other people. So I'm kind of glad to see it in
00:14:47
the media so that at least there's that point of reference.
00:14:50
But yeah, we don't need another episode like this.
00:14:52
The next episode we got what, 2 episodes left this season.
00:14:56
Next episode I need to go in to get the fuck out of there or I
00:14:58
need Naive and Elaine to come and rescue her because now Naive
00:15:03
is pissed she had enough reason to get them fingers working so
00:15:10
you can come rescue your friend. Because I can't.
00:15:14
I can't do this for another episode or two.
00:15:16
I I can't. Yeah, and I actually, I kind of
00:15:21
like this team of her and Elaine.
00:15:25
Like I'm like they're, they're just mad enough to be able to do
00:15:28
something. I think I'm, I'm like, OK.
00:15:31
And I and I like the balance because my name is Hot Head.
00:15:35
She's the fiery 1. She's the one that's running off
00:15:37
at the mouth. Elaine is just so calm calm so
00:15:43
yes but she gets her point across when when they mentioned
00:15:47
to Reema Sadai about Leandren and she said Leandra Sadai what
00:15:54
about her and nanny says she's a dark friend and Reema was like
00:15:59
she broke the oath all of them. And I, like, Elaine was pissed,
00:16:06
but she was so controlled. And I was like, OK, this dynamic
00:16:10
I can get because they balance each other out.
00:16:13
And even when I need was asking her, she was like, you need to
00:16:16
go. Why?
00:16:17
Why would you stay here and help someone you barely know?
00:16:19
And she was like, Iguana is my friend.
00:16:21
She's the only one I've ever had.
00:16:23
I'm staying. I was like, OK, she didn't have
00:16:27
to raise her voice. She didn't have to get upset.
00:16:30
She says it's so calm. And I was like, OK, that's gonna
00:16:33
be, I think her strongest weapon in addition to her channeling,
00:16:38
because she's going to be so calm.
00:16:40
I think people are going to look at her and they're going to
00:16:42
underestimate her. They're going to think, oh, she
00:16:44
can't do anything. And she's she's too nice.
00:16:46
She's too, you know, she's too level headed.
00:16:49
Yeah, what? Someone mentioned how that she
00:16:51
was still one of the more powerful, one of the most
00:16:54
powerful novices they've had. OK, I can't remember if it was
00:17:00
Shiriam or. Oh, I think Alana mentioned it
00:17:06
when they were when they were talking Yeah when she was
00:17:09
talking with Sharon Sadai. Yeah, but not even Elaine being
00:17:14
in the House of Rima Sadai and learning a little bit about the
00:17:18
Sean Chan and what they do to the women and her cautioning
00:17:22
them, hey, you can't channel because they can sense it, their
00:17:25
demonic and sense when a woman channels.
00:17:28
And her giving the little background about the Adam that
00:17:34
she has because she was like, yeah, couple of our sisters got
00:17:38
captured. Two of them have.
00:17:41
Did she say two of them died and then one of them was made into a
00:17:44
Damani, I think, Yeah. So she was talking about that.
00:17:49
And when she brings them the Adam to try to figure out how to
00:17:54
take the loose, they have to be very careful with it.
00:17:58
And while they're sitting there, she and Elaine are trying to
00:18:01
work it out. And Nynev gets ready to try.
00:18:05
She can't do it. She's like, Nope, can't do it.
00:18:08
And Rima's trying to walk her through.
00:18:09
I was like, Rima. This might not be the best time
00:18:12
to get Nynev to to use her powers because we saw in the
00:18:16
episode the blonde headed Damani and her What do they call them?
00:18:23
I forgot so. Dom.
00:18:24
So, so Dom, we saw them walking through the town, so they are
00:18:28
actually looking for Naive and Elaine.
00:18:32
The last thing you need is an out of control Naive to let go
00:18:38
of power. And that's exactly what
00:18:39
happened. It was just a second, but it was
00:18:43
enough to bring them to the doorstep.
00:18:46
I was just like, I also like that Elaine didn't hesitate in a
00:18:52
calling. I need out 'cause my knee was
00:18:54
being a hot and and and nasty and Elaine was like, hold up,
00:18:59
I'm not the reason we're in this position.
00:19:03
She was like I barely spoke 2 words to Leandros to die.
00:19:07
But you on the other hand, you didn't got chummy, chummy with
00:19:10
her. It's your fault.
00:19:12
And then you couldn't you couldn't channel back when we
00:19:16
tried to escape this Your fault. We are here because you can't do
00:19:20
what you're supposed to do. And I'm glad my name was like,
00:19:23
yeah, I realized what I did or what I didn't do.
00:19:26
That's why I'm trying to make sure that we do.
00:19:29
We're supposed to do we go save it way.
00:19:34
OK, Yeah. I'm gonna have to do it now
00:19:36
'cause Remus to die. Her water they took on the
00:19:43
demonic. OK, I will say this for Remus to
00:19:46
die the way she folded them bitches up into pretzels, right?
00:19:56
I'm not going to lie, the the I just want to say this.
00:20:00
We know the green Aza are the battle Aza.
00:20:04
We know what the blue Aza can do.
00:20:06
We know the red Aza can, you know, tear some crap up.
00:20:10
But let me tell you, healers, they know everything about your
00:20:15
body. Yep.
00:20:16
And they're going to use the the power in some novel ways to to
00:20:23
make you feel things. When she did the first one, I
00:20:28
was like, oh, she's breaking bones.
00:20:29
And then, of course, because she's breaking the sole Dom's
00:20:32
bones, the Damani is feeling what the sole Dom does.
00:20:37
Or was she doing the Damani and the sole?
00:20:39
No. Yeah, but you're right, it was
00:20:41
the sole Dom. Yeah, because I don't think she.
00:20:44
I don't I don't think she would have attacked the Damani because
00:20:46
the Damani have no control. So when she did it to the first,
00:20:51
well, I was like, oh, OK. That second one, I don't know
00:20:55
what it is about that one, but I think it's almost like the
00:20:59
director said, we really want you to see what this woman is
00:21:02
capable of. They did that shit almost in
00:21:05
slow motion. They showed every single break
00:21:08
and fold like she went backwards, her arm.
00:21:11
I was just like. It's just like you remember, you
00:21:14
remember those little snake puzzles where you where you like
00:21:16
had it and you could like bend everyone and turn it into like a
00:21:19
little ball. Yes.
00:21:21
Like and I was like, it's like breaking.
00:21:24
It's like breaking, breaking threes to die boogaloo.
00:21:26
I was just like. Right now I have a question
00:21:30
about the Soul Dom and the Damani and and the the Adam that
00:21:35
they are using. Because we saw with Rena and
00:21:39
Iguane when they connected, there was a little bit of a
00:21:43
Gwen's threads weaves going into the cuff that Reynold wears.
00:21:49
Now the Sodoms they can't channel at all, correct?
00:21:56
The the the cuffs or whatever they use.
00:21:59
Is that what pulls? You asking me am I?
00:22:03
I'm asking you. 'Cause you asking me, I'm not
00:22:06
the one that read the books. You're the expert.
00:22:09
I was just wondering because because I was thinking, I was
00:22:11
like, OK, maybe they have a little bit of channeling ability
00:22:14
and them being the soul Dom connected to the Damani enhances
00:22:19
that. But I was like, if they could
00:22:21
channel, they would be Damani too.
00:22:22
As far as we know, in this show they always leash any woman who
00:22:29
can channel. OK, so this full downs looks
00:22:31
like we cannot. As far as we know in the show to
00:22:35
this point, we only know that the Sean Chan leash any woman
00:22:41
that can channel. OK, I'm shout shout out to rims
00:22:46
to die and her warder during the dance like and her giving him a
00:22:50
little bit of it and him going. I was like, that's fire.
00:22:55
Like, did you notice, did you notice that she couldn't use the
00:23:00
power until one of them was in danger?
00:23:03
Yes. Because of the oath, yeah.
00:23:05
Because of the oath. Yes, I did notice that.
00:23:07
But but boy, once they were in danger, she did not hesitate.
00:23:12
Like I said, she pulled them bitches up like pretzels.
00:23:16
Like you can hear their bones crack, cracking.
00:23:19
And she burned one too. Yes, she did.
00:23:21
I was just like, when they killed Busan, I was like, you
00:23:28
know what? We needed him and her for more
00:23:31
than one episode. Those were two very, very
00:23:36
powerful Isodine Waters. And I was like, he's dead.
00:23:42
She's collared, but that's OK. If she's collared, that means
00:23:48
there's a chance. There is a chance because I I'm
00:23:53
sorry, even though I haven't watched season 3 yet, you you're
00:23:58
not going to keep these characters prisoner for that
00:24:02
long. Matt was different because Matt
00:24:05
was you know, Matt didn't have any powers and they were trying
00:24:09
to keep him away from something that can influence him.
00:24:13
That's different. These they're too powerful.
00:24:17
But the interesting thing about where a Gwaine is after she has
00:24:25
the very unpleasant experience with Renna and Renna leaves her,
00:24:30
she hears a woman on the other side of her wall chanting some
00:24:35
of the things that Renna says to her about how a a demonic cannot
00:24:40
hurt a slow down without inflicting twice the pain on
00:24:42
herself, even unto death and all this other stuff.
00:24:46
If Wayne is trying to figure out who this person is and we don't
00:24:48
find out who it is until later on in the episode, once if Wayne
00:24:53
kind of gives in, she's upset. She starts screaming at herself
00:24:57
and the lady says, don't. She was like, don't feel bad,
00:25:02
sister, you lasted longer than I did.
00:25:03
And I'm a sitter of the blue Asha.
00:25:06
And then you see the chick that Moraine was talking to in the
00:25:08
first in the first season. And I was like, Can you imagine?
00:25:14
She's only there because Moraine didn't go on the mission.
00:25:19
She was sending her on. Moraine got herself banished.
00:25:23
That could have easily been Moraine sitting in that cell.
00:25:26
And I was just like, So what is the sitter?
00:25:31
Is that like the leader of that particular group?
00:25:34
I'll say it depends on the Aza because sometimes the person who
00:25:42
leads the Aza is not a sitter. OK.
00:25:46
If that makes sense. But some I just they treat it
00:25:51
differently than others. I mean being a sitter is an
00:25:54
important but sometimes a person running an Odger may not choose
00:25:58
to be a sitter. They'll pick their sitters, but
00:26:02
they may like to rent things from behind the scenes.
00:26:05
OK, OK. But yeah, when I saw her, I just
00:26:08
looked and I was like wait. And then my mind started
00:26:13
thinking I was like, oh, that could have been Moraine.
00:26:18
And then a whole, this would have been a whole different show
00:26:20
if that had been Moraine. But oh, OK, yeah, I OK, let's
00:26:28
get out of palm for right now because we've had enough.
00:26:33
Oh God. We've had enough with that.
00:26:36
Oh, wait a minute. No, because I have to mention
00:26:39
one more thing that, like, really got me hot from jump.
00:26:43
The opening scene in the episode is this bitch dragging Egg Wayne
00:26:48
by the leash into OK, so we're all in agreement.
00:26:56
Rena needs to die, right? And she needs to die.
00:26:59
Very slow, painful death. Oh yeah, yeah.
00:27:03
OK. Yeah, like you, she's one of
00:27:06
those characters where, you know, one thing I like I say I
00:27:09
do like about the show is how they give depth to some
00:27:12
characters to make them more than just, it seems like even if
00:27:16
they try to make you have some sympathy for Rena, No.
00:27:20
No, no, kind of like we have. To remember what she, what she
00:27:25
is and what she's doing. Yeah.
00:27:28
And then even if you can't remember that, all you have to
00:27:30
like it's in the background. All you have to do is look at
00:27:32
Gwen's face, like her cheek is torn up.
00:27:35
Like I said, her, her eye is so bloody, like whoever did the
00:27:38
makeup is is great. But all you have to do is look
00:27:42
at her face and you're like, oh, yeah, no, we don't like you.
00:27:45
We don't like you. But OK, since I mentioned her,
00:27:51
let's talk about Leandra real quick.
00:27:54
Man, you see, they are they did they try to do it again?
00:27:58
I almost felt bad for her when what's her name killed her
00:28:01
father. I was like.
00:28:02
Her son. Her son.
00:28:04
I'm sorry, I always sucks. Keep saying I was right there.
00:28:08
I was like, yeah, it's, I was like right there trying to be
00:28:11
almost feeling sorry for when I was like, no, I fucked that
00:28:14
bitch real. Real quick, you saw Leandra
00:28:18
throw some fiery at land fear. She's like, she's like, yeah.
00:28:22
Just like like there's like. Power.
00:28:23
Went deep, Wolverine. Yeah, she was like the first
00:28:26
ones, a freebie next time I. Will do it again.
00:28:29
I'm gonna play your play the skin from your bones.
00:28:31
Yeah, but it's interesting watching Leandra's like her
00:28:40
facial expressions and the way she reacts to things now.
00:28:44
Because I think now that it's kind of out in the open that she
00:28:48
is black Asha and that she is a dark friend, you can see exactly
00:28:54
where her motivations are, like very clearly.
00:28:57
There is no pretense anymore. And it's like when Landfair
00:29:02
walks into her house and she starts, how did you?
00:29:06
Oh, I've been, I've been listening into your dreams.
00:29:08
And she was like, you got some interesting fixations.
00:29:12
And it's like Leandra, really, she was talking to.
00:29:15
She was like, oh, yeah. So Ishmael told me he freed you.
00:29:20
But she was like, hold on, I'm not here for small talk.
00:29:23
This is what I'm here for. She was like 1, you hate men
00:29:27
except this one. And then she kind of gives us a
00:29:30
little bit of Leandra's back story, which kind of explains
00:29:33
because you remember I was like, how is somebody that hates men
00:29:37
so much? How does she stomach laying with
00:29:41
a man long enough to get pregnant and have a son even?
00:29:44
You know, it's like one of those things.
00:29:46
OK, so now we know, now we know she was beaten and starved and
00:29:51
forced to marry before she even bled.
00:29:53
So she was a child bride, probably forced into, you know,
00:29:58
sexual relationship with her husband.
00:30:00
That's probably where the child came from.
00:30:02
So OK, I get it. That's probably the one good
00:30:05
thing in the world to her is, is that son, regardless of the
00:30:09
circumstances, regardless of how he came into the world, that was
00:30:12
the one thing she had that she loved, that she felt like
00:30:17
belonged to her. But it was also the one thing
00:30:20
that was holding her back from her, as Laffier said, her full
00:30:24
potential. So Laffier goes over and she
00:30:28
starts killing him. And it's so interesting because
00:30:32
on the one hand, you look at the engine and you see where she's
00:30:35
upset. She doesn't want to happen.
00:30:37
But at the same time, you see relief on her face, like, I'm so
00:30:44
glad someone else is doing this, that I don't have to be the one
00:30:49
to do it, that I don't have to be the one to keep holding on.
00:30:52
Is that landfill said you, you, you swear the OC keep him alive.
00:30:57
But this is not life, right? And she says I know, so she she
00:31:03
knows it's wrong. Yeah.
00:31:04
But she part of her can't let him go, and he should have been
00:31:08
let go a long time. Ago, long time ago, long time
00:31:11
ago. And now he's gone and landfill
00:31:14
was like, you swear you're owes to the dark, not to Ishmael,
00:31:19
which I always have to keep reminding myself.
00:31:23
They're two separate things because again, Season 1 at the,
00:31:27
you know, at the eye of the world, you're thinking, oh,
00:31:30
Ishmael, this he's the dark one and he's the big bad.
00:31:33
No, he's like a step under the big bad.
00:31:36
There's still something that's bigger and badder.
00:31:40
And that's who Leandra has pledged herself to men as well.
00:31:45
And it's just like, yeah, you can't go back.
00:31:47
You can't change your mind. You can't say, oh, you know
00:31:49
what? This is taking a little bit more
00:31:52
than I expected. Hey, did did you say men?
00:31:56
Men didn't swear nails. She didn't.
00:32:01
Oh, OK. Yeah, no, it's excuse.
00:32:03
Me a deal with some of them. OK.
00:32:07
Which is not the same thing. OK, OK, but but Leandran
00:32:11
definitely made some some oaths and and like I said, right after
00:32:16
the landfair says that to her, she looks at Leandra and Leandra
00:32:22
and of course she has the she has the little tears coming down
00:32:25
for her son. But if you look at her face, she
00:32:28
has this little smirk at the end.
00:32:31
Like OK, now I can do 'cause what?
00:32:33
What is it that landfill says? Something she said something
00:32:36
about about now we can see her through potential.
00:32:41
That wasn't the phrasing, but that's basically what the gist.
00:32:44
Of it's like, it's like, it's like he was, he was the only
00:32:45
thing holding her, really holding her back.
00:32:49
And then she put that little smirk.
00:32:50
I was like, yeah, She's kind of glad he's gone now.
00:32:53
Like she doesn't have to feel guilty about it anymore because
00:32:56
he's no longer in pain. She doesn't have to feel guilty
00:32:59
about holding on to him for so long.
00:33:03
She can just be like, OK, you know what?
00:33:04
And and I didn't even have anything to do, cuz what am I
00:33:07
going to do against Landfair if she's like, OK, your son needs
00:33:11
to die and I'm going to take him.
00:33:13
What did she say? This is something only only a
00:33:16
woman can give to another woman. A gift, though, that can only be
00:33:19
given from woman to woman. Yeah, she's probably like, OK,
00:33:24
yeah, this is a gift. You've you've freed him, but you
00:33:26
freed me. Now I can go be the the big bad
00:33:30
ass that I'm sure she's about to because now she has that was the
00:33:35
last little piece of her humanity.
00:33:38
Yeah, she didn't have enough power to stop land fear even if
00:33:42
she wanted to, and she's too selfish to to put herself in
00:33:46
harm's way to begin with. But also, like I said, Land Fear
00:33:51
took that decision out of her hand.
00:33:52
So I think she was she was happy.
00:33:54
She was relieved. Well, I won't say happy because
00:33:57
I do believe that she was upset that her son died, but I would
00:34:02
say only for a moment cause and I'll tell her how long her son
00:34:06
has been languishing like that. You just freed her.
00:34:11
You just opened everything up for her.
00:34:13
The. Interesting, interesting thing
00:34:17
to think about is the Dark One could have made him like that a
00:34:22
long time ago to to be that way, to entrap her.
00:34:28
That's how the Dark One works. He wasn't ever going to make him
00:34:32
better. He was going to leave him
00:34:33
exactly the way he was, make him worse and barely alive.
00:34:38
Ah. OK.
00:34:43
Yeah. And then?
00:34:44
That's a speculation because again, this is not in the books.
00:34:47
Yeah, yeah. She was beaten and and starved
00:34:51
and and abused by men when she was little, but she didn't have
00:34:55
no children. OK, so that's, that's more of
00:34:59
that giving depth to the character where in the book she
00:35:03
really didn't have any. Yeah, OK.
00:35:05
Yeah, but she's free to be a even bigger bitch now than she
00:35:11
than she has been. So I'm just I, I don't know, I'm
00:35:16
like, OK, So what is this about to look like?
00:35:18
What is Leandron without the leash about to look like?
00:35:24
Which technically speaking, she's still, she's still kind of
00:35:29
playing the role as we see later on when when the ambulance seat
00:35:34
ends up in Kyrie in but we'll get to that.
00:35:37
But yeah, she's still playing that role.
00:35:39
She's I think she's a little more snarky and I think she's
00:35:44
when she, when she approached the ambulance seat, what'd she
00:35:47
say? The last time the ambulance seat
00:35:49
called 14 sisters to Kyrie and we were putting the, we were
00:35:54
putting the the king on the throne.
00:35:56
So what are we doing here? And so Juan just kind of looked
00:35:59
at her like, bitch, if you don't get out my face and I.
00:36:04
Was just like. I was like, she's gotten a
00:36:07
little bit more bold because she's always been outspoken,
00:36:12
even with the ambulance seat, but not to that degree.
00:36:16
Like everybody else was standing back.
00:36:18
She was the only one that actually like approached her and
00:36:21
got in her personal space. I was like, oh, we've been
00:36:23
mighty bold now that we don't have anything tethering us to
00:36:27
some common sense, I mean. I mean, I think, I think we just
00:36:35
haven't seen her in that kind of position.
00:36:39
So she probably has always been like that because remember,
00:36:41
she's not bound by the three oaths.
00:36:44
So if she decides to attack everybody, it'll be too late
00:36:48
before they can do anything. Yeah, because none of them
00:36:51
suspect her of being able to do that.
00:36:54
Right. Or none of the none of the ones
00:36:56
that are with them. It's like everybody who who
00:37:00
knows is what Varin even though Yasica was there, but I didn't
00:37:05
see Varin. I didn't see the other brown Aja
00:37:09
and yeah. But but it does give her like a
00:37:14
certain she's she's already a overconfident person, but the
00:37:20
fact that she knows that she can walk into a room of eyes to die
00:37:24
and be like, I can murder every single one of them right now if
00:37:28
I wanted to before they even realized what was happening.
00:37:31
Yeah. Yeah, that that gives her sort
00:37:34
of an edge anyway. So it is possible that his death
00:37:38
may have freed some of her inhibitions, but I'm.
00:37:42
Almost emboldened her a little. Bit emboldened her.
00:37:44
I'm almost certain it wouldn't matter because I think she's I
00:37:47
think she's already like this. I can't stand her.
00:37:50
I don't I can't stand in a book. I can't stand her on the show,
00:37:54
but I'm almost certain that it didn't make that much of a
00:37:57
difference, especially in the way she talks to someone.
00:38:02
Because I I really believe that her, Swan and Maureen were all
00:38:08
in the same. They're all novices at the same.
00:38:11
Yeah. So they haven't liked each
00:38:13
other. Yeah, she probably got mad
00:38:16
because I, I don't know what the the process is for becoming the
00:38:21
ambulance seat, but she probably like her.
00:38:27
Yeah, yeah. It's like I remember when you
00:38:29
used to drink that dirty water just like everybody else.
00:38:35
I don't think anybody else would have drank that dirty water.
00:38:37
My knee was just. She just has a chip on herself.
00:38:41
So difficult. Yeah, but hopefully my knees
00:38:46
experiences in this episode will make her see.
00:38:50
Sweetheart, you need to sit down, shut up, pay attention and
00:38:57
be smart about what it is you're trying to do 'cause she is out
00:39:01
of her league right now. I was a powerful, powerful
00:39:07
channeler and she just got captured.
00:39:12
The other sister, the the one that that's the sitter of the
00:39:16
blue Asha, probably powerful. She got captured.
00:39:23
And let me ask you a question. Rinna mentioned that the Adars
00:39:31
were created by an Icidi, not that Icidi is it?
00:39:37
OK, I I see the smirk and I'm looking at OK, no spoilers
00:39:41
probably. OK.
00:39:42
So that's probably. Something we'll buy about later.
00:39:45
The the Adam was. I don't know if they're going to
00:39:49
go into that much detail in the lore, but it was created by an
00:39:53
Icidi and Santian. OK.
00:39:59
So it it was. OK, Yeah, we'll.
00:40:03
They are. They're technically they're
00:40:06
angrial, I think turn around. Yeah, because I think Elaine
00:40:12
mentions it when they're trying to figure out how to open it so
00:40:16
that they could try to get it out.
00:40:18
And it's interesting because naive when she finally does get
00:40:23
a hold of it and she she looks at it, she was like, it needs
00:40:29
healing. The only way it can be healed is
00:40:32
to be put on a woman. I'm like, hey, ow.
00:40:37
Like I can't even imagine someone having the mindset that,
00:40:44
OK, I'm going to create this piece of whatever.
00:40:49
And the only way that they can be whole is by enslaving
00:40:53
someone. Like the mindset you have to
00:40:56
have to put that kind of thought into making that.
00:41:01
And then we see what it does. Like we said, a Gwen, she can't,
00:41:05
she can't even think about harming Rena without it causing
00:41:09
physical harm to her. She got one punch off to Rena
00:41:14
and what happened? She almost looked like she broke
00:41:18
her nose because she gets twice whatever Rena gets.
00:41:22
So if they're in battle, if they're wherever and they're
00:41:26
connected, Rena gets hit, Iguane gets hit and it's going to hurt
00:41:31
her twice as much, Rena gets dead, Iguane going to be double
00:41:36
dead. And like I said, thinking about
00:41:43
someone who has enough. And I don't even know if it's
00:41:47
hate or just a sense of entitlement, having that sense
00:41:56
of wanting to oppress someone that you create this peace.
00:42:01
And that's exactly what it does to almost perfect execution.
00:42:08
I was. Yeah, to make for it to for it
00:42:14
to work, he has to feel has to be whole.
00:42:17
And the only way to be whole is to be attached to a female
00:42:23
channeler. That's terrible.
00:42:26
It is now I have a question. You may not you may not know the
00:42:30
answer to this. Would something like that?
00:42:33
And Adam, would that work on a male channeler?
00:42:39
You mean Could you make something that does that?
00:42:43
Well, I mean, obviously if you can make one for the women, you
00:42:46
can make one for the male. I was just wondering, those
00:42:49
particular ones, they're only for women that yes.
00:42:56
OK, OK. And if anyone ever made one for
00:43:02
a man in the book, it it, it's completely different.
00:43:06
It's a completely different system.
00:43:08
Of course it is. Because, well, because the
00:43:11
males, the male, remember the male and the female sadin and
00:43:16
Sadar are different, so they have to be treated differently.
00:43:21
OK, the they haven't explained it very well in the show, but
00:43:24
they're very different as far as power.
00:43:28
Like they still use the same elements but men are strong, and
00:43:33
I think I said this before, men are strong in fire and earth.
00:43:38
And. Women are strong in water and
00:43:40
air and they're both equally strong in spirit, right?
00:43:45
So, you know, so dealing with something that can be used by
00:43:51
the weaves because they're just different.
00:43:54
So the system would have to be different for a male and then
00:43:59
the book is is very different. OK.
00:44:02
It's the same principle, but it's different.
00:44:05
OK, I don't think it's too spoilery.
00:44:08
I don't think it's spoilery. But you know when they, when
00:44:13
they, because you asked the question when they did have the
00:44:16
male Adam, it took you, you have to have three women controlling
00:44:25
the lease. OK.
00:44:28
It's it's a totally different system.
00:44:30
OK, gotcha. Well, hopefully we don't we, we
00:44:36
don't see them have to explain that in this cause like I said.
00:44:39
Yeah, they, they've, they, they've changed some things and
00:44:42
made things more simple. So I don't think it would be
00:44:45
like that if they did. Yeah, I I I'm just saying it's
00:44:48
bad enough we see Egwayne and Rima and all the others, you
00:44:55
know, basically hostage to the system.
00:44:58
I don't need to see them illustrated on a man.
00:45:01
I don't I did. The question was just in my
00:45:03
head, like, yeah, could this happen?
00:45:06
But OK, now we're we're gonna come come away from farm.
00:45:11
Let's let's go to Carrie in because random rain, as we
00:45:17
mentioned in last episode, Moraine sent she sends Rand to
00:45:22
sleep so he can meet with Land Fear in the dream world.
00:45:25
And of course, Land fear meets him.
00:45:28
And you know, she's got her little snarky comebacks and all
00:45:31
this other stuff. And she's talking to Rand about
00:45:34
how she's protecting him all this time from Ishmael and you
00:45:38
should learn to trust me. She was like, why can't you
00:45:41
trust me? He's looking at her like you got
00:45:43
me now and she actually does every.
00:45:46
Time I think about Rand, I got to hit my pressure points.
00:45:48
I'm sorry. This mother, this little mother.
00:45:50
You know what? Shut up.
00:45:51
No. Shut up.
00:45:51
No. This episode, Were you the
00:45:55
person that told me that he was almost as bad as Anakin?
00:45:59
Was that you? No, They they must.
00:46:01
I don't think that was you. I.
00:46:04
Kind of agree with it, but no it wasn't.
00:46:07
Me. Oh my God, So once Lanfear kind
00:46:11
of lets him go and he's having this conversation with her, he's
00:46:14
like, what do you want? And she's basically like, look,
00:46:19
I, I've been protecting you. I just, I just need you to trust
00:46:22
me. We can work together.
00:46:24
But and I can show you certain, you know, I can show you certain
00:46:29
things like there there's a part where Rand has his dream, same
00:46:34
dream we saw him have before, where Perrin and Matt and all of
00:46:39
them are dead. And it's at his hands.
00:46:41
And Ishmael actually comes into the dream and he was like, yeah,
00:46:46
this is going to be you. This is going to be facts.
00:46:48
You might as well just face it, you know.
00:46:51
And she actually comes into the dream and and kind of kicks
00:46:56
Ishmael out. And it's so it it's so
00:47:01
interesting because throughout all of this, when you look at
00:47:05
land fear and the way that she has been with Rand, once we find
00:47:10
out that she's a forsaken, I was sitting here like, OK, she
00:47:13
really, you know, she was just using him to, you know, maybe
00:47:17
get her rocks off, but also keeping tabs up, you know, on
00:47:21
him for Ishmael or whatever. But no, I think she actually
00:47:25
does have like genuine feelings for Randy.
00:47:27
You kind of see this in her interactions with him because
00:47:31
first she tells him, if we're going to work together, if we're
00:47:34
going to do what we need to do, you need to get away from
00:47:38
Lorraine. And so that's what he does.
00:47:40
He wakes up. He tells Morraine he was like,
00:47:42
yeah, I got to go far away from you.
00:47:44
You can't go with me. And Morraine was like, you can't
00:47:46
go off by yourself. He said.
00:47:47
Landfair said if she sees us together again, she would kill
00:47:51
you. And the look of fear on
00:47:53
Morraine's face, because Morraine knows if Landfair comes
00:47:56
after her, she can't do shit about it.
00:47:58
Not. A damn thing.
00:48:00
Not a damn. She shut her mouth and let Ran
00:48:03
walk out that door. But then later on when he has
00:48:09
that dream, of course, you know, a Gwen is one of the ones that
00:48:13
he sees dead on the ground. So when when Lanfear comes to
00:48:17
him, she was like, OK, she said, you said that I haven't given
00:48:21
you any reason to trust me. And you're right.
00:48:24
So I'm willing to do that. She was like, let me give you
00:48:28
the gift of a dream. You can see anyone you want, and
00:48:34
you can see how much it is killing her to say this because
00:48:39
her eyes keep kind of darting to the side where, you know, Fakie
00:48:43
Gwen is laying on the ground dead because she knows that's
00:48:46
the person he's going to want to see more than anything.
00:48:49
And he even tells he was like, I can see anybody.
00:48:52
And she's just like, like the things I do for love anybody.
00:48:58
No, that's not. Like she was faking.
00:49:00
Oh no, that's. Not.
00:49:02
She knew where. He, she knew where Gwaine was,
00:49:05
but he I'm saying for her to say, I will let you see anybody
00:49:10
that you want. And the, the reaction she had
00:49:13
when she knew he wanted to see a Gwaine, that was a OK, I, I'm in
00:49:19
my feelings right now because I'm standing here in front of
00:49:22
you and you still want this girl that you haven't seen in six
00:49:25
months. That's jealousy.
00:49:27
She has feelings for Rand. That is totally Whatever her
00:49:31
other ulterior motives, she didn't cause some feelings.
00:49:34
I'm just going to say when she had him strung up, she called
00:49:38
him Lou Theron. She didn't call him Rand.
00:49:41
And I understand that, but she ain't been sleeping with Lou
00:49:43
Theron for the last two months. She been sleeping with Rand.
00:49:47
In her mind, she's been sleeping with Lou, staring for the last
00:49:50
two. Minutes, but she can still be a
00:49:52
jealous of E Gwen and you can see it all over her face.
00:49:55
It then why would she make the offer She knew who she knew what
00:49:58
he was going to act she. Did but she but yeah, I'm
00:50:03
missing. She made the offer because she
00:50:07
got exactly what she wanted from him.
00:50:09
Afterwards, he got a chance to see E Gwen and right before he
00:50:12
touched her, she pulled him back and he was like, I'll do
00:50:15
anything, I will do anything. She got what she needed from
00:50:21
him. Yeah, because of big way.
00:50:24
And yeah, she, like I said, she has her ulterior motives.
00:50:29
She's doing whatever she has to do, whatever her agenda is when
00:50:33
it comes to ran loose there in the Dragon Reborn.
00:50:36
But that's a girl who got some feelings.
00:50:40
She's still a little jealous. She like, you know what?
00:50:43
Sad note, I don't know if this means anything, but in the book
00:50:49
if a male Chandler touches an Adam, he dies.
00:50:56
So there's the Imani and the Sodom.
00:51:00
Wait, say that again. If a male channeler touches the
00:51:05
Adam while it's on the Damani, it would kill him, the Damani
00:51:10
and the Sodom. Wow.
00:51:13
Wow. OK.
00:51:14
Now, I don't know if that's going to come through here, but
00:51:17
for book readers, yeah, she because that was really E Gwen
00:51:23
in the dream world and that was really ran in the dream world,
00:51:26
and he did not need to touch it. No, he wasn't trying to touch
00:51:30
it. He was trying to touch his face.
00:51:32
If he accidentally touched it. Yeah.
00:51:36
They'll be dead. So yeah, she so she stopped it
00:51:41
just the time. Fucking Dwayne, man.
00:51:43
She's going through it like she's going through some
00:51:46
bullshit right now. Hey, if she wasn't broken, if
00:51:48
she wasn't broken before, she broke in now.
00:51:51
Right, yeah. It's like from all this, all
00:51:53
this fucking, all the shit she's going through here, then she
00:51:57
can't even go to sleep because Rand's over there, over there,
00:52:00
like mine fucking her there too. I'm like, damn you can't you?
00:52:03
She gets no respite. Like none, like fuck.
00:52:07
Man, it's not like he was doing it on purpose.
00:52:09
Like I don't think he really thought I.
00:52:10
Know he wasn't, I know he wasn't, but still she woke up.
00:52:13
She was like, he was here. He was just here.
00:52:15
He was here. He was just here.
00:52:16
Like that's like, holy shit, dude.
00:52:20
Yeah, but yeah, landfill ran. And then of course, you know,
00:52:27
she's like, OK, so you said you'd do anything.
00:52:30
OK, we need to go to, we need to go to a farm.
00:52:34
OK, So while they're in Korean, on the other side, you have Matt
00:52:40
and men who have arrived in Korean.
00:52:44
And of course, Ishmael comes to men and he's like, OK, yeah, you
00:52:49
need to make sure they meet up. And she's like, I don't want to
00:52:52
do this. I don't want to do this.
00:52:54
Sweetheart, we have already established that you are you
00:53:01
fucked around and found out that you just can't be making deals
00:53:04
with every goddamn body and now you're stuck.
00:53:08
So you you got to play this through in order.
00:53:11
I I think at this point she doesn't even care about getting
00:53:15
her visions taken away. She's just like, I don't want to
00:53:17
do this to Matt. He's a nice guy.
00:53:18
I like him, he's cool, he's my friend.
00:53:21
I don't want to do this. Ain't ain't too much you can do
00:53:24
about that now. So of course Matt is over there
00:53:29
gambling and losing money. Losing money?
00:53:32
Imagine that, huh? And Rand happens to hear his
00:53:37
voice. Now I will say this, when they
00:53:40
reunited, I was very happy. I was very emotional, 'cause I
00:53:45
was like, I feel like both of them needed a win.
00:53:50
They needed something positive. And them seeing each other, the
00:53:54
way that Matt grabbed him and just started crying, I was just
00:53:57
like, yeah, I'm gonna break our hearts this episode again.
00:54:02
I'm like, OK, let me just enjoy this for the moment.
00:54:08
But then when Rand, you know, Rand tells him about everything
00:54:11
that happened because of course Matt is asking where everyone
00:54:14
else is. He's like, oh, yeah, kind of had
00:54:16
them, you know, believe that I'm dead, but I need to go to farm.
00:54:21
I need to go with Rescue Wayne and blah, blah, blah, blah,
00:54:25
blah. OK, I'm gonna go with you.
00:54:28
Rand is like, you don't have to go with me.
00:54:29
Oh, yes, I'm going with you. He was like, I have been without
00:54:32
my friends for six months. I'm not doing this shit again.
00:54:35
I'm going with you. Then when he goes to tell Men
00:54:38
that he's going to go, Men is already up there drinking
00:54:42
herself into a stupor because she's feeling guilty.
00:54:45
And then she tells Matt you can't go because if you go with
00:54:50
him, you're going to kill him. And Matt was like, what?
00:54:53
And then that's when he realizes.
00:54:55
And I felt so bad for him because he was like, so you set
00:55:00
me up? So when did you set me up?
00:55:02
When we escaped. Oh, no.
00:55:04
Before we met, he was like, and she said, yeah, I was told to
00:55:11
bring you here by Ishmael and blah, blah, blah.
00:55:14
She was like, you can't go 'cause you're gonna kill him.
00:55:18
And the look on Matt's face, you could tell Matt almost wanted to
00:55:21
say like, fuck you, I'm going anyway.
00:55:23
But then he's hiding behind everything when Rand is at the
00:55:28
gate waiting for him. And I was just, I just, oh, I
00:55:31
was like, y'all, can our people just get a win?
00:55:35
We got one that's collared. We got two other ones that's,
00:55:39
you know, in hiding, watching and Asha sacrifice herself for
00:55:45
them, and you got Parent. Well, we don't even know where
00:55:48
Parent is right now because we didn't see him at all in this
00:55:51
episode. Where my dogs at?
00:55:53
Women with the wolves. You got Ingtar and Loyale being
00:55:58
slaves, very pretty ones. I have.
00:56:01
I hate. They're not slaves, they're
00:56:07
servants. They are not free to go and they
00:56:10
are treated like the help. They are slaves and and the
00:56:14
thing that makes me so mad, I can't even I can't even like
00:56:20
admire their outfits because they're slaves.
00:56:26
They just smell pretty to some. He.
00:56:28
Tried to look amazing, didn't he?
00:56:30
Yes, he did. I was like, Oh no, not even just
00:56:35
him, Loyale look regal and his and I was like, I can't even
00:56:39
like this. Like the colors are beautiful.
00:56:42
The the the outfits are gorgeous.
00:56:46
How do they get Antar to wear the thing on his head?
00:56:49
Like really, God it. Probably was like, you either
00:56:52
wear this or you die. We already know Antar's like
00:56:55
look, this shit ain't worth my life.
00:56:58
What? What you need me to do?
00:56:59
OK, Why you? But you know, he but you, you
00:57:02
know, he working on things in his head, 'cause he's like, OK,
00:57:05
he knows exactly where the, the horn of Valir is.
00:57:09
He, he's working it out in his head.
00:57:11
Just give him time. He just needs some time.
00:57:14
Yeah, that's why I was like, yeah, he's he's sitting there
00:57:16
like, oh, you need me to wear this, OK.
00:57:18
And he is gathering information. He was like, yeah, Torok has a
00:57:23
room of curiosities and the horn of Valir is in there.
00:57:27
He was like, they don't even have guards on it.
00:57:28
I guess that's I guess that's their honor system.
00:57:31
They don't even think it's going to be stolen.
00:57:33
He was like, they got more guards at the kennels watching
00:57:37
the demonic, then they do the treasures.
00:57:39
And I was like, yeah, that's how you know what they value most?
00:57:44
Their pets, their slaves. I was like, I want all these
00:57:48
people now. All these people with their ugly
00:57:51
Gary Oldman from The Fifth Element, haircuts and all.
00:57:58
Is that first reference? Oh, second reference besides
00:58:01
Anakin. Like I just want all y'all to
00:58:03
die, just die cause y'all are y'all are in here looking so
00:58:07
stupid and oh I get on my. Nerves it's like it's like they
00:58:14
they all looked out looked like some weird futuristic kind of
00:58:17
cyberpunk video game characters they're like they like cyberpunk
00:58:21
NPC's just like sitting around with yeah with bald sides and
00:58:26
colored and Tri colored like like hair coming out of the top
00:58:29
of their head it's like. Yeah, no, I'm looking in the
00:58:33
background. Lady Surroth looks like, I can't
00:58:37
even remember his name right now.
00:58:39
She looks like Gary Oldman in Fifth Element.
00:58:43
Yeah, she. Does like the only thing she
00:58:46
doesn't have is the little plastic thing on her head, but
00:58:50
everything else she could be his sister.
00:58:53
That's so weird, 'cause I didn't even think about that until I
00:58:56
was just looking at now like, oh, that's what she look, but
00:59:01
OK. But yes, Ingtar is very much
00:59:04
trying to figure some things out and his whole thing is we're
00:59:08
trying to get the horn of the Lear.
00:59:10
Loyal was like, we going to get my girl.
00:59:13
He was like, you know, what did he say their strength up under
00:59:19
that, that soft exterior? He was like, yeah, if anybody
00:59:23
can survive in that, she can. But I ain't trying to leave her
00:59:27
in there. We need to figure that out.
00:59:29
He was like, yeah, we can get the horn of a lid too, but we
00:59:31
going to get a Wayne, too. Loyal is.
00:59:35
He's very, very much like Loyal. He is loyalty, right?
00:59:39
Like look. Robert Jordan was not being, you
00:59:43
know, he's been trying to hide it.
00:59:46
Loyal boy. OK.
00:59:48
I mean, he can't, he can't, he can't be, he can't be a devious,
00:59:51
backstabbing character with a name like Loyal.
00:59:54
No. Loyale with cheese.
00:59:56
But ain't I was like, they have her.
01:00:00
What is it? They have her guarded.
01:00:02
He was like the place that they have her.
01:00:03
They call it the kennels. So I think he was trying to
01:00:06
convey to Loyale like this is the dire situation she is in.
01:00:09
Loyale's looking like that's OK, we'll go get her.
01:00:13
Loyale. Like I don't even fuck what they
01:00:15
call it. OK, How many guards we go figure
01:00:17
out a way to go save her so. I'm just saying it's like
01:00:21
because they don't. I don't even think that they
01:00:23
we'll have a reason to go see him.
01:00:25
I don't think they're even let over there, are they?
01:00:28
Probably not. Probably not.
01:00:30
Yeah. So it's like, OK, it's it's not
01:00:32
like something you pass by every day.
01:00:34
You could, you could just knock on the door, be like, we're
01:00:36
coming to get you. Like no, you got you.
01:00:38
Got actually the only thing I can think of is that they would
01:00:41
have them go over there. I don't know to to do something.
01:00:46
They might send them over there to do something, but as it is,
01:00:51
they, the Sean Chan, don't even know that those 3 even know each
01:00:54
other. No, they don't.
01:00:57
So that might be an advantage for them if they decide to go,
01:01:01
you know, over in that area. At least they can let Iguen
01:01:05
know, hey, we're here. Maybe not in so many words, but
01:01:09
she can see them from the window.
01:01:10
And she'll be like, oh, OK, I'm not alone.
01:01:12
Maybe something is going on. Maybe they can, maybe they can
01:01:16
get him, get him to go over there and try to sing that tree
01:01:18
back to life. And then she's like, hey.
01:01:20
Listen, that's what I was suggesting earlier in this
01:01:23
episode, Like go do the singing, have the tree, like pluck her
01:01:27
out of the cell. Or at least, you know, maybe
01:01:29
snatch Rena up when she's leaving the cell.
01:01:32
I mean. Go down Equate.
01:01:35
What? What happened?
01:01:37
I mean, cause if something, something needs to happen to
01:01:43
her, she needs to have a very bad accident.
01:01:47
But anyway, we need to talk about Moraine and her stuff and
01:01:53
LAN and Alana and and their group.
01:01:55
So we're going to start with them first because I really
01:01:58
thought. I thought LAN was going to get
01:02:00
his ass kicked. I was like oh shit, I don't land
01:02:04
trouble. LAN was in fucking deep.
01:02:05
I was like oh fuck, like soon as soon as soon as soon as I've
01:02:10
I've Ivan and him stopped him from leaving.
01:02:13
I was like, oh. Now, now, to be, to be, to be
01:02:17
perfectly transparent, I don't think they could have taken man.
01:02:24
Yeah. But Lana was right behind him
01:02:26
so. I I don't even think she's
01:02:31
really, Yeah. Really.
01:02:35
Yeah. Man wow, a healthy LAN could
01:02:41
take out Silver murdrawal by himself.
01:02:43
So. Oh yeah?
01:02:45
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't do that.
01:02:48
He did do that. That's a good point.
01:02:50
OK, but luckily. It'd be tough, it'd be it'd be
01:02:54
tough, but I wouldn't say it would be easy.
01:02:58
OK, OK. They they have they work cut out
01:03:02
for them. They would OK, but he he he,
01:03:05
he's not a dart friend and he respects them too much so he
01:03:08
wouldn't even put them in that position.
01:03:10
Is that the reason why they brought they, they stopped at
01:03:13
that place that that's kind of like a forsaken temple.
01:03:16
They thought that he was a dart friend and they thought he would
01:03:19
do something. OK, Because I was wondering now,
01:03:21
at first I was like, so are they stopping here because they're
01:03:26
Dart friends? And then like I said, I, I like
01:03:28
Alana too much. I was like, no, she wouldn't be.
01:03:30
I think Alana is also one of those that is like a true, I
01:03:35
said she's a true friend to Moran and I just don't see her
01:03:39
doing that. So when Lang got ready to sneak
01:03:44
out, I was sitting here trying to figure out, I was like, so
01:03:47
what's the hostility with them? And then when they mentioned the
01:03:51
poem, I forgot that they went into his bags the last time and
01:03:56
they pulled it out and they figured out that Land Fear was
01:03:59
walking the earth again. So yeah, they're thinking he's a
01:04:02
dart friend. He was like, Nah, it's not like
01:04:05
that. Cause Alana came and got him and
01:04:07
she was like, so you just kind of tricked me to tell you where
01:04:12
the, the ambulance seat is. What do you need to see her for?
01:04:17
She was like, and please trust and believe we will kill you
01:04:20
where you stand. You make the wrong move.
01:04:22
And Ivan and Max and looking at him like bro we love you but we
01:04:26
will, we will smite you down. They we must.
01:04:31
Listen, they were looking serious, but then laying was
01:04:37
like, yeah, so Morena and I found the Dragon Reborn and
01:04:44
Alana's face, she's like, oh, shit, OK.
01:04:48
And they go find the ambulance seat.
01:04:52
They tell her. And it's so interesting because
01:04:55
the one when she was in the thing and she heard what was
01:04:58
going on outside when they were trying to say who Who are you?
01:05:01
And she had the little things. I said I I don't know how I
01:05:05
missed that the first time was like I.
01:05:07
Was in the Crown of knives. Yes, and then once she realized
01:05:11
it was land, she was like, so I was like, oh, she was ready to
01:05:16
kick some ass 'cause I don't think up to this point we
01:05:20
haven't seen Swan do anything like Major.
01:05:25
So I was like, oh, we finna get a fight and then it was landing.
01:05:28
She was like hold up, why are you here and why is my Boo thing
01:05:34
not with you? Like what is going on here?
01:05:38
And so I guess Lance tells her about the the the Dragon Reborn
01:05:45
because the next thing we know she and 14 I said I are in
01:05:50
carrion at Marine's house and I was just like, oh, this is about
01:05:55
to get interesting. Speaking of Lorraine.
01:06:00
Oh my God. I'm so glad she realized what a
01:06:04
bitch she was being in this episode 'cause I was like, you
01:06:06
know what? Your nephew and your sister.
01:06:09
They should. I'm I'm glad her sister started
01:06:11
to kick her out. I was like, I was like, how much
01:06:13
more you gonna take? She was like, you gotta go get
01:06:15
the fuck out. Yeah, but then Lorraine turned
01:06:18
around and and she was like, hold up.
01:06:19
I'm the eldest daughter, I'm the heir.
01:06:21
You are staying here by my good graces.
01:06:24
I was like, you ain't even been home in 30 years, 20 years,
01:06:29
whatever it's been. I'm sure that can be disputed,
01:06:33
but no need cause her. I, I will say this, her sister
01:06:38
gave her a earful and she was like, OK, I guess I am being
01:06:44
mean because when she sat down, she she was getting ready to
01:06:46
cry. And I was like, Lorraine, do you
01:06:50
realize if you're just a little nice to them, like, like it's
01:06:55
like we said in the earlier episode, she was nice with her
01:06:59
sister. She sat down for tea.
01:07:01
She was able to find out where Rand was.
01:07:04
It's like, you can catch a lot more bees with honey.
01:07:10
Come on now. Just make you don't know what
01:07:13
kind of information. Look, your nephew is about to
01:07:17
get married and become the king. You don't know what kind of
01:07:21
information he could have. You don't know what kind of
01:07:24
resources he can provide you with.
01:07:26
All you gotta do is eat the fucking sandwich and compliment
01:07:29
him. Is that so fucking hard?
01:07:32
She was. I was again ready to come
01:07:38
through the screen and throttle her.
01:07:40
But I'm glad she she kind of came to her senses and
01:07:43
apologized to him. He looked so happy.
01:07:46
But I will say this, when he reached to give her a hug and
01:07:50
she hugged him back, I thought about what I don't remember if
01:07:56
it was Anthony or if it was Mike, but the look that he had
01:07:59
on his face when he was hugging his aunt, he had this look like
01:08:05
like he did something he wasn't supposed to do.
01:08:09
And I was like, hmm, something seems a little, I mean.
01:08:16
Right there, boy. So I may.
01:08:18
Write, so I may write with that boy.
01:08:20
Yeah, I don't. I can't trust it.
01:08:24
I don't think so and then going back to thinking about what you
01:08:27
said about it last episode, Anthony, it's kind of like I
01:08:32
know y'all were saying that you think on there might have been
01:08:35
the dark friend and that's how she got her family, you know,
01:08:39
out of debt and back into, you know, no, no what?
01:08:43
She lost. You can say if she was, we said
01:08:47
it could, it might be, it's a possibility.
01:08:50
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, let's let's not discount
01:08:53
that she might be. Yeah, but you know what?
01:08:57
Her son is about to marry the queen.
01:09:00
I think I, I think that might be a little bit more.
01:09:04
That's that's more suspicious. Yeah, yeah.
01:09:08
Because I, I'm going to be, I, I'm going to be honest,
01:09:11
especially with what you said last week, Anthony, because you
01:09:15
said in the books he marries a man, right?
01:09:18
No, he didn't marry anyone. What?
01:09:20
Did you say something about? That the the person he's
01:09:24
marrying in the book, that character's a king.
01:09:27
Oh. OK, OK, OK, so you were saying
01:09:31
that that one that gender swapped it so that he could be
01:09:35
marrying her in the right. OK, right.
01:09:37
They. They, I think they, I think they
01:09:40
gender swapped it to give him a motivation.
01:09:43
OK. Because for some reason this
01:09:48
show thinks everyone who's a dark friend has to have a
01:09:51
reason. They just can't be bad people.
01:09:55
Pat and Fain, well, I mean, we don't even know if he has a
01:09:59
reason, but I mean Pat and. Fain he he wasn't right before
01:10:03
he became a dark friend, right? Someone right with him to begin
01:10:09
with. Well, and see, that's the thing
01:10:11
I was going to say, because to me, that kind of makes it seem
01:10:15
like he's a dark friend because he wants to be a dark friend.
01:10:19
Because if you think about the behavior of all the people that
01:10:23
we've seen as dark friends so far, none of them have been
01:10:27
happy about it. None of them have been like, Oh
01:10:32
yes, I'm doing this because I want to do this.
01:10:34
That motherfucker, like like Mike said, he's marching up to
01:10:38
the High Lord with the horn of Valera and he's skipping and
01:10:41
whistling. Something right about that dude.
01:10:44
He is happy to be a dark friend. He was he was already weird.
01:10:48
I'm telling you, we. Didn't know that.
01:10:50
Yeah, he was before. They did they They talked about
01:10:53
how he was before, but as long as they had known him, he's
01:10:58
always been a little strange. But he could have been a dry
01:11:00
friend then too. Yeah, but.
01:11:03
He probably was 'cause he was over there skulking around in
01:11:05
the background, like walking past people, like yeah, I know
01:11:08
you up there and like, you like skulking around and shit and
01:11:11
like, yeah, the money and see, keep your eye on my fucking.
01:11:14
I mean, just not to get too deep into Pat and fame, He's
01:11:19
basically a agent of chaos in the book.
01:11:23
Yeah, he's a dark friend, but he's also now got Shattered
01:11:27
Logoth in him as well. Oh.
01:11:30
Because of the dagger. Because of the dagger, yeah.
01:11:33
OK. OK, but he's just, he's he's
01:11:36
he's literally the Joker. Some men just want to watch the
01:11:38
world burn. Right?
01:11:40
Like, this might be fun. You telling me all I got to do
01:11:44
is just fuck some shit? Of course I'll do it.
01:11:47
There's patent fame. Right.
01:11:49
Oh, this dagger is cursed. I want it.
01:11:52
I mean, he's just, he's just the kind of person he is.
01:11:56
Right. You know, because like I said,
01:11:59
in the book of all the secondary and tertiary characters are all
01:12:04
one note. Right.
01:12:07
But the writers in the show, they do seem to want to give
01:12:10
everyone a motivation. I don't think they can give
01:12:13
patent fame motivation because he he just, you can't make one
01:12:19
up for him well. That's it's kind of like what we
01:12:23
we talked about on some of our other shows.
01:12:24
It's like having a redemption arc or having a, like you said,
01:12:31
a motivation being kind of morally ambiguous.
01:12:34
Not all bad guys have to have any of those.
01:12:37
We can have bad characters just because they're bad characters.
01:12:42
And I just kind of feel like Pat and Fan is just one of those.
01:12:45
Like it doesn't have to be, oh, I was bullied as a little boy by
01:12:48
kids in the Two Rivers and that's why I came back and did
01:12:51
this and whatever. No, it could just be that, you
01:12:53
know what? I like doing bad things.
01:12:56
They make me feel good and. Because, you know, landfill she
01:13:00
want to lose staring back. I mean, that's simple enough,
01:13:04
Lady Siroth. She wants to become the queen of
01:13:09
the Sanskrit and motivation. Landrin wanted to save her
01:13:15
child. Yeah.
01:13:16
I mean, they all have their motivations, had the fame, you
01:13:21
just want to swap. Yeah.
01:13:23
OK, so, so now that her son's dead, does she have a dead?
01:13:29
Does she still? She's still a dark one.
01:13:31
Yeah, that's what. She was telling.
01:13:33
Her, she said. Because you make the Ode to the
01:13:35
Dark One, not to not to Ishmael. And you can't change your mind.
01:13:41
That's what she was very specifically letting Lander
01:13:43
know. Yeah.
01:13:44
OK, So just because I took care of your son, that don't mean
01:13:47
your your service is over. Like you are in this for life.
01:13:53
Yeah. Because.
01:13:53
I think was it her that said it or was she saying it to Leandra
01:13:59
or to somebody else? But it was basically like, oh,
01:14:01
yeah, once you make this oath to the Dark One, there's no turning
01:14:04
back, there is no reneging, and there is no, excuse me, can I
01:14:08
get a refund? You, you can't do none of that.
01:14:11
You are in it for whatever. So, yeah, I hope Leandra is
01:14:17
really thinking about what she did and whether or not the price
01:14:22
that is going to be paid is is worth it for her because, yeah,
01:14:30
I think at at this point, like I said, I feel like with the death
01:14:34
of her son, that was the the last of her humanity.
01:14:38
Now she could prove me wrong. We haven't seen that.
01:14:41
They've been kind of, like we said, throwing some, some
01:14:46
empathy here and some sympathy there and, you know, some maybe
01:14:50
I'm OK type things. I, I don't think she's a good
01:14:54
character. I don't think she's redeemable.
01:14:57
They may try to do that with the show.
01:14:59
I don't know if watching the clip that I have seen of Season
01:15:04
3 is any indication. Yeah.
01:15:06
I don't think that's, I don't think that's going to happen.
01:15:08
I mean, they've already already showed, like says she's ruthless
01:15:12
in the very first episode. The way she took, right, she
01:15:16
dispatched of that male Chandler.
01:15:18
Like, it was not like she like, she didn't care.
01:15:21
Like, she she wasn't even trying to, like, rehabilitate him.
01:15:24
She's like, no, you're dead. No, kill him.
01:15:26
Yeah. Die now.
01:15:27
So you you already know there's an element of ruthlessness to
01:15:30
her. So anything else she does from
01:15:32
that point is not really surprising.
01:15:34
It's like, OK. Like she like she let someone
01:15:38
kill her son without trying to sacrifice herself.
01:15:41
Yeah, it's about right. OK.
01:15:42
She's a dark friend, that tracks OK.
01:15:45
Well, but see that because that's The thing is like even
01:15:49
with those things, they do give us a little hints of motivation.
01:15:53
As far as what she did with the Chandler one, she knows that
01:15:59
male Chandlers are dangerous. They're not supposed to exist.
01:16:04
And then she already has a hate, hatred for men.
01:16:06
Why does she have such a hatred for men?
01:16:09
Well, we found that out in this episode because when she was a
01:16:11
child, she was beaten, she was starved and she was forced to
01:16:15
marry, you know, even before she had her period.
01:16:18
So yeah, that would, if you're a child, like average girl is
01:16:23
maybe between 11 and 13 when they have their first peers.
01:16:26
So if you're younger than that and you're forced into doing all
01:16:30
these things, then yeah, I would.
01:16:32
I would probably have a strong hatred towards men too, and I
01:16:36
would probably project that. So they've given us that
01:16:40
motivation. The thing with her son, like we
01:16:42
said, her son was way past his expiration date.
01:16:45
Way past his expiration date. Like there's no telling how long
01:16:50
he had been in that bed, not able to function.
01:16:54
I think we the, the couple of times we've seen him, he's never
01:16:59
uttered a word. Like the most he did was he
01:17:01
reached over and grabbed her hand.
01:17:03
But how much pain has he been in and for how long?
01:17:08
That would be that motivation for that.
01:17:10
As far as her not stepping in or even raising an objection.
01:17:14
When Laffier got ready to do it, 'cause you, you heard her, She
01:17:17
said no. But she said it's so soft and
01:17:20
quiet and so without feeling, without force.
01:17:24
It was just kind of like one of those, no?
01:17:28
Stop. Quit it.
01:17:30
Right, right. But she.
01:17:32
But again, she knew that was the right thing to do.
01:17:35
That was something she should have done a long time ago.
01:17:38
Maybe not kill him, but at least.
01:17:41
Let him go naturally. Right, instead of trying to keep
01:17:44
him alive with remedies, that was putting him in more pain.
01:17:48
And then you got pissed off at the person who told you that
01:17:51
anyway, So, yeah. So I don't, I, I don't know.
01:17:54
They may try to do the whole redemption thing with her.
01:17:57
I just, I don't want to see it. I don't need to see it.
01:18:01
I have no need of it. She is the absolute one of the
01:18:05
absolute worst characters. Yeah.
01:18:09
She's just bad. Right, just bad.
01:18:13
So I'm trying to think was there anything else that?
01:18:19
And we had the brief moment between Logane and Rand where
01:18:25
Ram's like, you're going to teach me some shit.
01:18:27
And Logane is like I am What boy?
01:18:33
Logane's just like why y'all messing with me damn leave the
01:18:37
fuck alone. Give me some fucking wine and
01:18:39
leave me the fuck alone. Let me wallow in myself loathing
01:18:44
and miss opportunities. Right?
01:18:48
Exactly. Just leave me the fuck.
01:18:51
Alone Look, does he even have any left?
01:18:53
Because I think he poured out or he threw threw the one that
01:18:57
Moraine brought him. Yeah.
01:19:00
So, yeah, I but let me tell you, when he does start teaching Rand
01:19:06
and he's you know, he's trying to help him control it.
01:19:09
He's telling him. Oh, yeah.
01:19:10
So the problem is you need to touch the source.
01:19:13
You need to let go. You need to stop being scared of
01:19:16
it and embrace it. And you know, Rand is kind of
01:19:20
like naive. He doesn't know how to control
01:19:22
it. Yeah, remember I was telling you
01:19:25
that the the men telling and women telling the power of Saudi
01:19:29
and Sagar are different. So I don't know if I mentioned
01:19:32
this in the last episode we recorded, but women have to
01:19:37
embrace the source. So they embrace it.
01:19:42
They feel themselves up with it. In order to use it, men have to
01:19:46
seize it. They have.
01:19:48
To take, I think he mentioned something like that because.
01:19:50
Yeah, yeah. So it was a little strange.
01:19:53
It was a little strange him telling Rand to embrace it.
01:19:56
But then the writers kind of fixed it.
01:19:58
They said you have to take it. He told him you have to take it.
01:20:02
Yeah. So I I do like that little part.
01:20:05
They like the embrace so much. But yeah, the taking, yeah,
01:20:09
'cause you're the men, a man, a mill Channel is not supposed to
01:20:12
surrender to the one power like women do, which this is Robert
01:20:18
Jordan being, you know, writing for men and women.
01:20:22
You know, we just have to be OK with that.
01:20:24
But you know it it there is a difference between the two.
01:20:28
OK, yeah, but yeah, Rand apparently has a lot of power.
01:20:33
Like a lot, a lot, a lot of power.
01:20:36
Logan was like. Chandler on the planet.
01:20:40
Logan was like, he was like, I can't can't do this bro.
01:20:44
With the amount of power you got, you can do anything you set
01:20:48
your mind to just. Just let you know, you know,
01:20:51
Robert Jordan worked all this out.
01:20:53
You know, he had a ranking system.
01:20:56
So yeah, low gain is at the top up there with RAN as far as
01:21:00
power goes. OK.
01:21:02
So so if he says. You got a lot of power.
01:21:07
That that means a lot coming from a game.
01:21:09
Right. And I'm wondering like, so at
01:21:12
this point, does Low Gain realize that Rand might be the
01:21:17
Dragon Reborn 'cause I don't think Rand has said anything to
01:21:20
him yet, he just knows that he's a man that can channel.
01:21:23
I think he suspects. He think he might suspect it.
01:21:26
OK, 'cause I wonder is he going to be jealous of about it,
01:21:30
'cause that's a, like you said, missed opportunity.
01:21:38
Where's Where's my name? Say no spoilers.
01:21:40
I I know no spoilers probably OK so I won't ask.
01:21:45
I will mention this so I do see how Rand could have gone through
01:21:52
life at this moment without people recognizing him.
01:21:56
Because when when you see him at the beginning of the episode,
01:22:00
when Lanfair has some strung up and he's completely in the sun,
01:22:05
his hair does look almost black. It's like.
01:22:08
It was also in a dream world. I just say I'm, I'm even looking
01:22:14
right now, like it's very dark and only when the light is
01:22:17
hitting it do you see that it's like red, red.
01:22:20
Yeah, but when he when he when he met Matt, it was red, red
01:22:23
and. He was.
01:22:24
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think what's her name just
01:22:27
prefers him blonde. And she was like, let me get you
01:22:30
idea. Let me get you naked, hung up,
01:22:32
strung up and blonde, Yes. No.
01:22:36
One is no one is pulling out their phone and pulling out
01:22:44
Facebook to see what Ram Outdoor looks.
01:22:46
Like, ain't nobody talking about Facebook.
01:22:49
Nobody. You don't see any wanted posters
01:22:53
of him around either. Nobody knows who he looks like.
01:22:57
He's just another tall ass red haired dude walking around.
01:23:00
Yeah. You know.
01:23:02
Yeah. I'm just I'm just saying if the
01:23:05
dark friends can do all this other shit, why can't they find
01:23:09
some way to find? I mean is in there.
01:23:15
Is there like a like a Jordan, like a Jordanian Google that
01:23:18
they can do like redheads, redheads in my area, redheads
01:23:22
near me, No. It doesn't work like that.
01:23:27
But then like, like through through our discussions over the
01:23:30
last few episodes that like I said, I realized that one, the
01:23:34
only people who are really looking for Rand or who would be
01:23:37
looking for Rand, they think he's dead because like you say,
01:23:42
Ishmael knows Rand is alive. So most likely the Forsaken know
01:23:46
he's alive. They probably also know where he
01:23:48
is. So really the only people who
01:23:49
are look who would be looking for him, they already know he's
01:23:52
alive. So I I guess.
01:23:55
Again, they don't have to put out feelers.
01:23:57
They know where he is. Yeah, yeah.
01:23:58
They don't have to put out feelers and spies if they just
01:24:01
know. Yeah.
01:24:02
That's true, and if Logan said he saw him, no one would believe
01:24:05
him because he's crazy. Right, right.
01:24:10
They won't believe him because they're like, why the fuck are
01:24:12
you out here? Why ain't you in under the
01:24:13
tower? Has he even said?
01:24:15
Has Randy even ever said his name to Logan?
01:24:19
Like does Logan even know his name?
01:24:20
He. Knows who he is, I think.
01:24:23
He more than knows may have said his name.
01:24:27
Maybe, yeah, but but my point is the the boys supposed to be dead
01:24:32
anyway. Yeah, he's.
01:24:35
Right. Yeah.
01:24:37
Yeah, he's supposed he's supposed to be buried somewhere,
01:24:41
literally or figuratively. Yeah, but OK, did we touch
01:24:49
everything on this episode account We.
01:24:52
Did I? I just want to mention that in
01:24:54
the beginning when there was. Man.
01:25:01
In the beginning of the episode, Mike's favorite scene where Rand
01:25:06
is strung up on the cross, Lanthier basically tells him
01:25:11
it's Samuel's whole plan. And I don't even think Rand
01:25:16
realize that that she did. Like he's like, you think that
01:25:22
separating yourself and your friends protects him.
01:25:24
No, you're giving him it's e-mail exactly what he wants,
01:25:28
right? He can turn them all to the dark
01:25:30
and turn you. Yeah, he was like, they would
01:25:33
never turn. She was like, that's what I was
01:25:35
going to ask because she said I thought that once too.
01:25:39
So I'm going to assume, like you said, she basically did what she
01:25:45
wanted to do because she wanted her lover back.
01:25:48
So is that hurt? Like, and I say this as a woman
01:25:53
in the 21st century, was that her only motivation for going to
01:25:58
the dark because she wanted her man back?
01:26:05
Yes and no. OK.
01:26:11
Loose Theater was very powerful. He was very powerful in one
01:26:16
power. He was very charismatic, very
01:26:19
powerful as a leader. He didn't necessarily want all
01:26:25
of the attention that he was getting.
01:26:28
You know how we talk about the person you want to be the
01:26:30
president is the person who didn't want to be the president.
01:26:34
That's sort of what Loose was. He figured out that she was
01:26:40
attracted to him for his power and his influence.
01:26:45
OK, so she wasn't really like in love with him as a as a person.
01:26:51
Michelle and I argue about half an hour, the person that I lived
01:26:55
with him related to my marriage. Actually, it was almost a whole
01:26:58
hour. We argued about that because and
01:27:02
and I think what I what I realized in her mind, that was
01:27:08
love. So Lanfield did love him, but
01:27:15
not in the way that he wanted to be loved.
01:27:18
OK, So yes, she was attracted to the power, the authority, all of
01:27:23
that. But if you stripped out, huh.
01:27:27
Was he a? Cult leader.
01:27:31
I mean, he was the he. Was the one.
01:27:33
Person's cult of another person's religion.
01:27:35
I mean, I don't. So yes, OK.
01:27:40
Gotcha. If you and I think he figured
01:27:43
out if if you stripped all that away, would she still want him?
01:27:47
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.
01:27:48
So it's like if if he was gentle or if he was stilled, would
01:27:52
would she still be like, oh lose, oh lose?
01:27:55
Right. And he figured it out and he, he
01:27:57
was like, no, I, I don't want this.
01:27:59
I want someone who actually does love me.
01:28:00
And that's when he found his wife.
01:28:03
So she thought if she could get more power that he would want
01:28:08
her because in her mind that's what she thought was love.
01:28:13
So she had it then maybe he would love her back.
01:28:18
Gotcha. So yes, in Robert Jordan's in
01:28:23
that world of cisgender white males writing novels, right?
01:28:29
Not saying he's misogynistic, just it was a different
01:28:33
understanding of the time. 'Cause these books were written
01:28:36
when in the 70s or the 80s. Like eighties, 90s.
01:28:41
OK. The thousands.
01:28:43
OK, but yeah, OK. But he means the old guy, so
01:28:47
yeah. So yeah, she.
01:28:50
Yes. To answer your question, yes.
01:28:53
The only reason why was power. That's why she turned the dark
01:28:57
side, the dark turned to the dark.
01:29:01
She thought if she had the power, she can get him back.
01:29:04
OK. And then we know we always talk
01:29:07
about how, you know, power corrupts people.
01:29:11
So she might have just, you know, really, I don't want to
01:29:15
say innocently, but maybe naively thought, OK, like you
01:29:19
said, if I get this power, he'll want me back.
01:29:21
And then the more power she got, it just kind of corrupted her
01:29:25
and yeah, and then she became a forsaken with and and lights
01:29:29
killing people. And by pulling.
01:29:31
Their heads and. Or she did it and it didn't
01:29:35
change anything. She got more power and it didn't
01:29:39
make a difference. But they're already.
01:29:41
But The thing is, when all that stuff happened, when the Dark
01:29:45
One started influencing the world, things kind of got crazy.
01:29:50
So she may not have had because they immediately mobilized to
01:29:54
try to stop it. So there wasn't any time for her
01:29:58
to be like, look what I got now, you know what I mean?
01:30:01
Because all of a sudden they were fighting the Forsaken and
01:30:05
merge rule and Trollix and, you know, bubbles of evil all over
01:30:11
the place. It was, it was a terrible time,
01:30:13
OK? You know, he had to rally
01:30:17
everybody to try to fight what was happening.
01:30:21
OK. Yeah, OK.
01:30:26
All right. I may have said too much.
01:30:31
No, it's. I pulled, I pulled a mic in
01:30:33
Messenger. I'm starting to spoil Steph.
01:30:35
No, I don't think you spoiled it because because like you said,
01:30:39
one, they're doing so many things differently from the book
01:30:43
to the show that I don't think I, I think at this point,
01:30:47
anything that you tell us that's not like specifically, OK, this
01:30:52
happens, this happens, this happens to this character.
01:30:55
I take it more as like just background information for those
01:30:58
of us who haven't read the books just to kind of understand the
01:31:02
way that this world works a little bit more.
01:31:04
So I don't look at it as spoilery.
01:31:06
I mean, now, if you were to say, OK, so Ran ends up becoming, you
01:31:10
know, he he fully embraces being the Dragon Reborn and and you
01:31:14
know, the series ends with all of his friends dead and him
01:31:17
going crazy. Like like they say, I would take
01:31:20
that as spoilery because, you know, that could possibly
01:31:24
happen. But stuff that you've given us,
01:31:26
no, that that's more so kind of knowledge.
01:31:29
Like I've been saying that I wanted, you know, I don't want
01:31:33
to read the books yet, especially if they're so
01:31:35
different, but I do want to learn more about the world.
01:31:42
And I guess this is a good time to kind of slip into the
01:31:45
conversation that we are all going to Jordan Con for the
01:31:49
first time. Well, Anthony and Michelle went
01:31:51
last year and it. Was amazing.
01:31:55
It was great. It was fun to be around a lot of
01:31:57
people who threw it out. Robert Jordan, Wheel of Time,
01:32:02
it's really good and it's book readers mostly, but there are a
01:32:06
lot of people who watch the show too.
01:32:07
Were there. Yeah.
01:32:09
So we we just got approved as a media guest.
01:32:13
So we will be there at the end of this month.
01:32:15
It's here in Atlanta. April 25th through the 27th.
01:32:20
Yep. At the.
01:32:22
I'm looking forward to that. Is it the crown perimeter?
01:32:27
Yeah, OK. Crown Ravina in perimeter, Yeah.
01:32:32
OK, so I'm looking forward to that because I do want to learn
01:32:37
a little bit more about this world because I do realize that
01:32:41
sometimes when we're discussing these episodes, I'm sure there's
01:32:44
some people like, OK, can y'all at least get the names right?
01:32:47
But it's like 1. There's a lot of there's a lot
01:32:50
of information. No, I, I mean, because me too,
01:32:52
because I'm like, OK, what that girl's name is or whatever the
01:32:56
case is. But there's a lot of characters,
01:32:58
there's a lot of information and especially with the series that,
01:33:03
you know, where the world building is just like massive.
01:33:08
I do want to learn this stuff. And I was going to show this.
01:33:11
I got this book last year when Barnes and Noble in my area was
01:33:14
going out of business. And it's the world of Robert
01:33:18
Jordan's The Wheel of Time. And it's like a encyclopedia of
01:33:23
the Wheel of Time. And it's got all kinds of stuff.
01:33:25
I have not had a chance to look at it yet.
01:33:28
It's going to. Spoil you if you do.
01:33:30
Yeah, I know. But it's got like full color
01:33:33
photos from some of the some of the books.
01:33:37
So I do want to read just kind of a little bit just to kind of
01:33:40
get like background information. But yeah, I don't, I don't think
01:33:45
you've spoiled this too much. If this if I remember because I
01:33:50
have that book digitally, the stuff from the isodide start
01:33:55
there. OK, OK, I will do that.
01:33:59
But yes, let's see. So we've talked about Jordan
01:34:02
Khan and I will actually put the link to the convention in the
01:34:06
show notes for this episode, just in case anybody is in the
01:34:09
Atlanta area and they want to kind of check it out, see what's
01:34:12
going on. Let's see what else.
01:34:17
ATL Comic Convention has moved to July this year and we will be
01:34:22
going to that. We will be submitting our panel
01:34:25
submissions this week, probably the same panels we've been doing
01:34:30
because those are the ones that people like us to do.
01:34:34
The parenting panels. We're going to do a Dead City,
01:34:37
Walking Dead panel and maybe a couple of others.
01:34:40
So if you guys are going to ATL Comic Convention and have some
01:34:44
suggestions that you want to hear us talk about, then, you
01:34:48
know, put some comments down and, and, and let us know.
01:34:53
But other than that, do we have anything else to say?
01:34:56
Mike, you got some shout outs. Shout to the acting level in
01:35:02
this like from Rena when she got collared was just heartbreaking
01:35:08
like holy shit like I I mean. You mean rhyma rhyme?
01:35:16
Is it? Right, Right, right must die.
01:35:17
The the yellow yellow. Yeah.
01:35:20
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:35:22
Was you rhyme yeah when she when she got her when she got the
01:35:26
collar put on her. I was just like, Oh my heart
01:35:29
like that was just hard. I mean no knowing did she lose
01:35:32
her water like she was. I was like holy shit and shut it
01:35:37
to me, not knowing what the fuck is going to happen when landed
01:35:40
them confronted Rand and in in the city and then.
01:35:44
Yeah, that's what I forgot to. Yeah, I was like, oh shit.
01:35:50
Like I what the fucks? Get ready to happen.
01:35:53
Yeah, of course. You know they cut it off right
01:35:55
then. I was like, oh shit that like
01:35:59
like that should look like look like collateral damage getting
01:36:03
ready to happen like everywhere. But I mean cause because Brand
01:36:08
had just, he just came from like feeling his power and like doing
01:36:12
like having but whatever, minimal training.
01:36:15
He's not even real training that he had with low gain.
01:36:18
So it's like he's he's he. I mean, there's no telling where
01:36:24
his state of mind is right now. Plus he had just come from
01:36:27
waiting on Matt, who stood him up again.
01:36:29
I'm like, OK, I'm starting to see why Anthony doesn't like the
01:36:33
way he's because he's written up as an asshole.
01:36:35
Like like he's the word he's written.
01:36:38
He he the way the way he is in here is like he's the worst
01:36:42
friend ever. Not only did he leave them
01:36:44
standing at the gate when everybody went in the gate, now
01:36:48
he's leaving rands that which I which I understand.
01:36:51
I understand why he's leaving them leaving them hanging here.
01:36:53
I get it. That's but.
01:36:54
Of course Rand doesn't. Right.
01:36:56
This is the same. This is strike two.
01:36:58
This is strike two for as far as Rands, because Iran's like
01:37:00
motherfucker, he's like fine alone.
01:37:03
It is. I was like or.
01:37:05
Or maybe he maybe he really think it thought about it
01:37:08
because I mean, if you think about it, you're going to a city
01:37:12
where you may have to fight for your life because of of what you
01:37:18
are. And maybe he's just thinking,
01:37:20
OK, maybe maybe Matt's just not ready for that.
01:37:24
I. Mean and Matt was probably, Matt
01:37:25
was probably thinking, yeah, I'm not ready for this.
01:37:28
No, no, what I'm what I'm thinking is the writers know
01:37:31
that Matt is the most popular character in the books and we
01:37:36
don't want the audience to like Matt, so we're going to make him
01:37:40
the absolute worst character, just above Leandro.
01:37:45
See, I don't think they're doing that because we, because we as
01:37:48
the viewers, we see mass motivations and we see why he's
01:37:51
making the decisions he's making.
01:37:53
If we weren't seeing that, I would agree with that
01:37:55
assessment. But even if you didn't know,
01:37:58
even if you didn't know, the decisions he making don't make
01:38:00
you like him. I I don't know.
01:38:04
Even with his motivations, I. Don't know if I if I heard if a
01:38:08
seer told me if you go to farm with your best friend, you are
01:38:13
going to kill him with the dagger.
01:38:15
Especially knowing Matt's history of that dagger.
01:38:19
He's scared to be around that dagger.
01:38:21
I yeah, I I don't, I don't think Yeah, I don't think I would look
01:38:26
at it that way. I and also the one thing that I
01:38:30
keep thinking of from first season when Matt abandoned them,
01:38:35
Rand was the only person who was kind of like Matt's still our
01:38:41
friend we still need to find him.
01:38:42
He was just scared. Like he was the only one that
01:38:44
was still defending Matt even even going so far as to arguing
01:38:48
with the Gwaine about it cuz the Gwen was like he left us and he
01:38:51
was like he was scared. OK, so this this is where a
01:38:58
little bit of the problem I have with time travel comes in.
01:39:03
If if the seer says every vision I have comes true, period, and
01:39:13
she has she tells you she has a vision of you stabbing rant.
01:39:17
It doesn't matter where you go. It doesn't matter what you do.
01:39:21
Right, it's going to. Happen.
01:39:22
It's going to happen. So guess what dude, go with him
01:39:27
because your chances of keeping you from happening increase
01:39:32
potentially exponentially versus you.
01:39:36
I go with him and randomly accidentally stabbing him he.
01:39:40
Is not thinking that deep, but he was thinking I just, I just
01:39:44
found my best friend again and now I'm being told I'm going to
01:39:46
kill him. He's panicking.
01:39:49
And and and and and she's interpreting it as killing him.
01:39:53
You really just saw. She really just saw you stab
01:39:55
him. He didn't say he was dead, but
01:40:00
he didn't say he was dead. That's what I'm saying, Matt.
01:40:03
Matt ain't thinking clearly because this character is not
01:40:07
written to think clearly. So I'm just saying like, dude,
01:40:14
she told you her all her visions come true.
01:40:16
Absolutely, period. So it's not going to matter what
01:40:20
choices you make. Any choice you make is going to
01:40:23
end up with you stabbing Ran. Period.
01:40:26
Yeah, so go with him and at least you know what's coming and
01:40:33
be prepared for it, because if you don't, then you end up some
01:40:38
random place you might stab him thinking he's somebody else
01:40:41
because you didn't know he wasn't there.
01:40:44
That that's. True.
01:40:46
Yeah, that's true. I'm just go pick up any random
01:40:49
sharp objects. You'll be fine.
01:40:51
It's like just. If you saw the dagger, don't
01:40:53
touch her that. Yeah, I was going to say she
01:40:55
said the dagger. So, you know, you need to like
01:40:59
avoid the dagger, but right now he doesn't even know where the
01:41:01
dagger is. So that is again.
01:41:04
That's another problem. Yeah, yeah.
01:41:06
So guess what, you choosing that go with him might actually end
01:41:10
up. Putting you.
01:41:12
If you going in the direction where the dagger is.
01:41:16
Yeah. So your best bet is to stay
01:41:18
attached to that motherfucker at the hip and your chances of
01:41:22
seeing the dagger decrease. Right.
01:41:26
The same the same. You got a good.
01:41:29
Point. This here makes sense.
01:41:35
OK, I'm so glad to see the ambulance see it again.
01:41:38
I missed up. I've been missing her this
01:41:39
season. Like I really I really like her
01:41:41
character. I just, I was just like.
01:41:44
Seeing her up until this point. First time season OK Season yeah
01:41:49
and it's like I was like no see OK so are you just gonna close
01:41:52
yourself in a room and look at the mirror again like you got
01:41:55
you ain't gotta go walk up to or you gotta do is look in the
01:41:58
mirror be like yo baby and then there you go I mean you're.
01:42:06
A. Mess and again, again, this
01:42:08
cannot be overstated about this fucking episode.
01:42:13
Why do we have to have this characters of color be subjected
01:42:20
to this bullshit like this? It still bothers me.
01:42:24
It's like I don't want to be bothered by it but it bothers me
01:42:27
and. And I get it.
01:42:29
But I, I think the thing to remember too is regardless of
01:42:33
what the what what the casting looked like, we were going to
01:42:39
get this storyline anyway. And I think it just kind of hits
01:42:43
more because of the fact that this particular show is one of
01:42:47
the is one of the shows in the fantasy, you know, genre that
01:42:52
really, really diversified their cast.
01:42:55
And so that it's not just people who all look alike.
01:42:59
Like they really have people from all different cultures and
01:43:05
races in this show. So I think it just hits harder
01:43:07
because of that. But I would hope that that
01:43:10
wasn't kind of on the fore front of their minds when they say,
01:43:15
hey, let's diverse casting, you know, we're going to have this
01:43:18
big old slavery storyline in season 2.
01:43:21
I don't think that was the case. I think it just it just happened
01:43:24
to go there and it hits harder because of that.
01:43:27
But again, I mean. Now I get that.
01:43:31
It's just it just doesn't make it any easier for me.
01:43:33
That's like, this is probably like, there's certain shows that
01:43:36
I can go back and watch certain episodes like over and over
01:43:40
again. Yeah.
01:43:42
Yeah, I'm good on this. Yeah, I don't want to.
01:43:45
I don't want to watch this shit again.
01:43:46
Yeah, I do have a question. I noticed because it's playing
01:43:53
in the background is at the end where Rima is getting colored,
01:43:58
but Busan has letters etched in his face.
01:44:04
Do you know what they say? OK, OK.
01:44:09
I just I. Just believe they were just
01:44:11
tattoos. Oh, OK, OK.
01:44:17
OK. Could you go back and freeze
01:44:18
frame that for me? No, absolutely not.
01:44:25
OK, we have two episodes left for this season and then we can
01:44:27
get into the third season that Anthony says is awesome and he
01:44:31
doesn't care what they do at this point.
01:44:33
It was good. So OK, I'm only saying I have
01:44:38
seen they did release a few weeks ago I think it was.
01:44:42
I don't know if it was the 1st 11 minutes, but they did do 11
01:44:48
minutes of the upcoming season. Yeah, it was 12.
01:44:50
It was like the first 12 minutes of the 1st episode.
01:44:53
Oh my God if they start out the season like that.
01:44:58
Yeah, and they just released another like four or five minute
01:45:03
clip of Lorraine and Ran talking.
01:45:10
OK. Yeah, it's this is last episode,
01:45:15
Episode 4, three. It's fucking fantastic.
01:45:19
OK, so hopefully we'll get to the season 3 episodes within the
01:45:25
the next week or so. Anthony and I have both been
01:45:29
working ridiculous hours this month.
01:45:33
I think I've probably been working twice the as many hours
01:45:37
as he has. You have I leave his schedule
01:45:39
like, Oh my God, you're working all the freaking time.
01:45:42
I've tried to pay this fucking cruise off for my birthday.
01:45:48
So yeah, so we got these two episodes, then we'll get right
01:45:51
into Season 3. And like I said, we'll be a
01:45:54
Jordan kind. We will probably be recording
01:45:57
some of the panels there and, you know, just trying to get a
01:46:00
feel for it since this will be my first time.
01:46:03
Anthony and Michelle will be there as well.
01:46:07
So yeah, so we got some some Jordan stuff coming up, get a
01:46:12
little bit more into this fandom.
01:46:15
So I'm looking forward to that. But for now, that's it for our
01:46:18
show. You can find us online at
01:46:20
www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all
01:46:24
the social media at Phantom Hybrid.
01:46:26
You can chat with us on our Discord channel.
01:46:28
You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can
01:46:31
listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms.
01:46:34
Thanks for listening. We hope you join the
01:46:35
conversation next time.