#thewheeloftime The Seanchan return to their home across the sea, but receive a chilly reception upon their arrival. Rand seeks answers while he and Moraine flee for their lives. Perrin unwillingly returns to Atuan's Mill, where he evades an old enemy, while making a new ally. Verin returns to the White Tower to seek answers, and is disturbed by the discrepancies she finds. Liandrin confesses her sins to Nynaeve. Moraine receives some much needed advise from a sympathetic ear. Nynaeve, Egwene, and Elayne find themselves in a dire situation. All roads lead to Falme.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing season 2, Episode 5
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of the Wheel of Time series. And where do we want to start
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with this one? Do we want to start from the
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beginning? Let's just start at the
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beginning. Let's start at the beginning.
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OK, so we have the Sean Chen. I guess they have gone back to
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their home country area, whatever it's called, but that's
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farm right where they are with the the High Lord Turek.
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Turok. Turok.
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Well, I wouldn't call it their home country, but they have this
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is like their, this is one of their bases of operation.
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One of the places they've colonized, maybe?
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Yes. OK, OK.
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Or in they claim reclaimed it but you.
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Know, yeah. OK, potatoes, potatoes, bowling,
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mash. And Speaking of the Stew,
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whatever. Right.
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OK, so semantics. What I find interesting about
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all of this is I thought that Lady Surah was the leader
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because of the way that they treated her when they were in
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the village. Oh, no, there's somebody above
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her. Has to be a brother.
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I'm like, OK, here you go. Got black people colonized, but
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OK, whatever. But I find it interesting that
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when they come back and she's, you know, they're doing their
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whole little, I guess you could say presentation or just kind of
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presenting themselves to him. He is pissed because he was like
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you went and did what I told you not to do.
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You went way across the sea and you claimed a city that what did
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he say? We didn't.
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We didn't even need. And it's too far for them to
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hold. That too.
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And he was like against my orders.
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And even though she has her face covered, you can tell she has
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major, major attitude. She feels like she's supposed to
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be the one in charge. You can just tell it from the
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way she was acting. And even Ishmael was looking at
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her like, if you don't shut your mouth.
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And I was like, why is he where I was like, oh, he's trying to
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keep up appearances. There's something that he needs
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from this whole exchange. He needs the Sean Chan army.
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He can't. And this.
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Guy, He's the Lord Commander. Right and how would?
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You tell by all the antlers that he's wearing.
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The Atlas yes, OK, now question because I'm I haven't planned in
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the background and I noticed that the the big extended nails
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on his hand, those are just attachments, but on hers were
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those her actual fingernails? And is that a symbol of status
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for their people? Yes, ma'am, that you can
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reasonably infer that that is a status because everybody looked
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at her like, oh you, you've been messed up now, right?
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And she lost her nails and he said you can't come back to the
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court until you are presentable. Which means the nails have to
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grow back. Go back.
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Out. Oh hell no.
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She. Was like, wait a minute because
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when she helped them out, I was like, what is she doing?
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Because we noticed that she does a lot of gesturing with those
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nails. And when that guy pulled out his
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sword, I said, oh wait, those are her real nails.
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Those are not attachments like what he has on his fingers.
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What makes you think he is our attachments?
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There because when you when they have a a close up of his hands
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when he's trying to open the chest that has the horn of
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velir, you can kind of see and this from someone who has worn
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fake nails before. You can kind of see the way that
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the things are attached. They look almost metal instead
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of it being like an extension of his actual fingernails.
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You can kind of tell from the way that it's attached that I I
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don't think those are his real nails.
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I would say that they are known to decorate and lacquer their
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nails. OK.
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So a person as high as his status would probably do that to
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his nails. OK.
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And even since he's a a military leader also he would he would
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put armor on them too. OK.
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So here reminds me of what's his name from Stargate.
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I literally was just about to say that.
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I was just about to say he looks like a Jafar.
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Yeah, he looks like Tilt. He also noticed how he has no
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hair and you saw the people in the court had different levels
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of hair being removed, so maybe that could be a a status symbol
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as well. OK.
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Yes, the it's just like the 80s, like we had a really high, high
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top fade. It's like you were up higher in
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the cast as opposed to just having those short rounded one.
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Like I had a lot and people laughed at you and teased you
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and said you had a baby fro and so I'm sorry we talked about.
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He has with everybody. He has no hair like he has no
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eyebrows nor hair on his head anything.
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And even though like he, he scarred his head as well.
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OK, so the other thing about that whole exchange, so like I
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said, Lady Saroth, apparently she has been demoted now because
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she got a little snippy with the head and, you know, with the
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HNIC. But it's so interesting because
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Ishmael is sitting on the side of her and when the dude is
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trying to tell her, what did he tell her?
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He told her to say something or do something.
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He told her to kneel. To kneel, yes.
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And Ishmael cause kneel. Yeah, I was like, and the dude
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kind of looked over like, and who the hell are you?
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Because she was not about to kneel.
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She was, she was like, excuse me?
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And she turned to look at him for reassurance.
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Was like, oh, OK, So she literally just told the leader
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who the boss of her was with that one little gesture, which
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probably didn't, you know, endear her to him any more than
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all the other stuff that she was doing.
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But. Yeah, I love, I love that little
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gas by Alwyn when they cut her fingernails and she was like.
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Right. Like, like I was that, that's my
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friend. I was like, oh damn, she really
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fucked up. Yeah.
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Well, I think another important, well, another piece of
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information we get from the Lord Commander is he said that he
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serves the light. OK, so.
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Yeah, he got pissed off. When, When?
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When she said maybe you made a mistake.
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I don't make mistakes. I served the light.
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Yeah, that was where I was going next, right?
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And. Their and their duty is to
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combine everybody in the world in order to prepare to fight at
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the last battle against the dark.
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Right, so my question is, does he even know who Ishmael is?
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Because Ted, I'm. Going to say, at this point of
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the story I I don't know if it's clear.
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Or not OK. Because remember, well, he may
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know. He might know that he's a dark
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friend. He might not necessarily know
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he's Forsaken. OK.
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But I also remember they don't call them forsaken.
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They call them, well, we're here, later chosen.
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OK, so. He may or may not know, but he
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knows that there he made it clear that he serves the light.
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Yes, he did very much so. So when he said that I was kind
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of looking, I was like, OK, this seems to be like a very, very
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big conflict of interest because she obviously, well, I was
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thinking before we saw them go into the room and her, you know,
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she having that conversation with Ishmael, it's like, well,
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maybe she's not quite sure. Because the only thing we know
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of Ishmael with the Sean Chan at this point is that he arrives
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with them. We don't necessarily know that
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they knew who or what he was or anything like that because we
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don't have any conversation with them up until this point.
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So then when they go into her room, because she's banished to
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her rooms and he starts having the conversation with her, I was
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like, oh, so she knows that she's serving someone of the
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dark and like, because she said something about our master.
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Well, yeah, she was at the table at the beginning with Ishmael.
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Oh, that's right, that's right, she was.
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Now, I'm going to backtrack a little bit.
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No, I don't think everyone pretty much hates dark friends.
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OK, so if he knew that they were dark friends, they'd be dead.
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OK, 'cause I was gonna say Mike's boy Pat and Fame was
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there too, carrying. The horn, like coming in with a
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horn with whistling, just like what's up man, I got something.
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Walking. Like, he's like, like he's like,
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he's Amazon. Right, just kind of happy go
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lucky, like, yeah, I'm just happy to be here.
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Like he's on the Soul Train line or something coming up to the to
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the high Lord. He's like.
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He right, he right in. The head.
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He right in the head, but again, he feels like he's on the right
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side of things. He's like, yeah, I'm a dark
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friend. I'm over here with the
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Lieutenant. I'm I'm good.
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Yeah. Let me present this to this
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dude. And I mean, even even going so
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far as the bowing to him and everything, I was like, I won't.
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Like, like, like exaggerated, exaggerated, like bowing as far
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as he could, like, you know? Right.
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Almost. Like.
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He almost like a mockery in a sense, but you know.
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But he, he know he didn't really openly mock him because he got
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what he got, what he's trying to get yet he's trying to get
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something. So he, he figures I might as
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well, I might as well get down so I don't have to lay it down.
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So. Well, also, there's a box also,
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if the lady is if if she did what she did and she's mouthed
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off the way that she did it, she got her status cut off and we'll
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tell him what he would have done to Pat and fain if Pat and Fain
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they. Cut shit off me.
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I'm like, like, I don't even know who you are.
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So I'll. Do whatever you.
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Yeah, yeah. As as a wise man once said, some
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men just want to watch the world burn.
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Through that, Yep, that's Patton Fein's ass.
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And that, that seems exactly to be what he is.
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He's just like, yeah, I'm gonna watch all of this burn, and I'm
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just gonna have a front row seat with my popcorn.
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That's really what he seems like.
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Because he's. So I don't even know if I wanna
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say he's different from the way he was when we first met him in
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the very first episode of the series.
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Because even then he was kind of cheerful, you know, because he
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was he. Yeah, because he was pretending
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to be a merchant. But now his demeanor, and I
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don't know if it's just because we know that he's evil or if
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it's just that's how he's playing it.
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He just seems so dark, even with the the joyfulness and walking
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up with the horn and the the whistling.
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And I was like, yeah, like you said.
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And that was like something right about this dude.
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Like, I really want parent to find you and beat the shit out
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of you. I really do.
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Yeah, no, no, no. I'm looking at trucks nails.
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They look, they almost look like he has four wands attached to
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his fingers. Yeah.
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Like like they did they Yeah, they look fake as shit.
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Yeah, but but maybe it's just like the higher your your cast
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is on his council, like the more dormant you can add to it.
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Like maybe that's like gold flake or something.
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OK, I'll take it. No, there's no.
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It's metal. My bad.
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Yes, it's like they're they're, they're like she, their sheets
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in metal. Yeah, it's yeah, that's that's
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kind of, that was the word I was looking for.
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I couldn't think of it, but yeah, that's what it kind of
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looks like. So.
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No, it is like they're literally covered in metal.
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Yeah, so so maybe maybe they're prostate, maybe, maybe, maybe be
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like, that ain't real. Maybe he only has nails like
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that big if he's in the and he's like compensating by wearing
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like really long metal metal covers and there's nothing
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underneath it. OK, now that that's that's not
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how that society works. I'm just kidding.
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I'm. Yeah, I can't walk around with
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prophylactics on your finger in that society.
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You just can't. Are we starting this early with
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the with the craziness, With y'all we?
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Might as well shout them for being able to open the box with
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with the horn in it with those damn nails.
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Well, notice he was using the fingers that don't have that
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don't have the nails on them, because I was going to say that
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too, because I know like right now my nails are kind of short,
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but usually my nails are about an inch from the base.
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And I have to be really, really careful with just those.
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I can't even imagine walking around the way that they walk
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around and do. I just, I can't, I can't.
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But I mean, he he kind. Of looks like a weird DJ, like a
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DJ with two it's like. Now I will say this, while
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ladies Sirach and and Ishmael are having their conversation, I
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find it interesting that he tells her he has a gift for her
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and they'll be here later. I said that damn Leandron.
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She's bringing me Gwen and and 19 to him.
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Like I said last last episode, sis bitch.
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And then then she had she had them on in the in the their
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upside, their version of the upside down.
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Yeah, I'm just like mother fuck. I'm like and see this.
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I was I was thought like, OK, maybe she's just a rebel, just
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doesn't like to follow rules. But no, she's she's playing both
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sides. She's a double age.
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She's done. She's a whole double agent, an
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entire full-fledged double agent on this shit.
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And I'm like mother. And I was so mad because I was
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like, here we are looking at her what she's doing for 9 even
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we're like maybe she really does respect her, or at least I was.
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I would say that and all this other stuff.
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No bitch, you was trying to rush her through so that you can use
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her to give her to the Shante. I was like this, like this
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bitch, but I have a question. So when?
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She, I think it wasn't. I think she was, Nanny said.
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You were rushing me because you wanted to turn me to the dark.
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That's what she that's. What?
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Yeah, but she was going to do that by taking her to the Sean
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Chen, I think. I I have a feeling she was
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trying to do that before she gave turned her over and maybe
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she wasn't even going to turn her over.
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She could turn into the dark because they if if she turned
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into the dark, they probably would not have been able to
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collar her. OK, OK.
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OK. Because she could've.
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She's gone to them and like, look, she's on our side now.
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OK, so here's my question. So while Leandron and Naive are
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having a conversation and Naive is kind of figuring out what it
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was that Leandron is doing, one of the things that she said was
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you attacked us, you broke your oath.
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And I think I remembered, isn't one of their oaths that they
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can't use the one power against each other or they can't use it
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to harm? They can't use the one power as
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a weapon. As a weapon?
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OK, there you go. They can use it in defense of
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themselves or to protect the lives of others.
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They. Can't use it as a weapon.
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OK, so, so we clearly see that she, yeah, we clearly see
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Landrin is doing all of these things.
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Like she said, she's broken those oaths and so many more.
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So how is it? And maybe maybe this is
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something that was explained in the first season and I just
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don't remember it. How is it that those oaths are
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taking? Like do they, like we know when
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Moraine got banished, she there was like an oath ride that she
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had to swear upon. Is that something similar?
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For when they become Isodine, they swear those three OS is it
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something similar to that? OK, now how would one such as
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Leandro go about breaking those oaths and what kind of
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consequences should it have on them?
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Or is that going to be too spoilery?
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Is that something I might find out later on 'cause you're
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laughing? You might be wandering in the
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spoilers territory. OK, I don't want to wander into
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spoilers territory. So so basically the important
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thing that that we know is she broke them.
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She. Broke.
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Yeah, it's possible to break them.
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OK, Is it going to, is it going to be like, like Dorian Gray
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looking into his mirror like punishment like?
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That would definitely be spoilery, Mike.
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Well, they give you kind of a hint later because we'll talk
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about Lady Syrup and Ishmael's conversation where he says I
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know why you swear the OS to the Dark One.
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OK, yeah, because I so when they had that conversation, she was
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being kind of mouthy with him too.
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And as soon as he said that, her whole fucking demeanor change.
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She was like, I may have been too forward, my Lord.
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I was like, Oh yeah. He he reminded her who she
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really worked for. Right yeah, and she was just
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like, oh, OK, I'm sorry, my bad. I spoke out of turn.
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I was like, oh, what does he have on her?
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Look, I was about to say was she was she and asked the doctor.
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But you know, maybe she maybe she wasn't.
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I do know that when she had that conversation with Leandro once,
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Leandro brought the three girls to them.
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She and ladies to rock don't like each other at all.
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Well. The nobody.
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Nobody likes Leandron's ass. Like nobody even good.
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I know, but this was like a whole ditch.
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She basically called Leandron a dog that wasn't even even worthy
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to be up under her shoe. That's basically.
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Yeah, she. You also have to remember that
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they come from a culture that that that the Sean Chang culture
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treats women who can channel like slaves.
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Yeah, and women who aren't collared are basically wild
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dogs. Yeah.
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That need to be tamed. Which was so interesting to me
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that Leandra would turn over those three girls to them
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because as much as she's always spouting off about women and how
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much they have to struggle for power and to make sure that the
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men don't treat them, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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Like you are literally giving these girls to someone who is
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going to treat them exactly like that.
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Because you can't sit here and tell me that a Gwaine, because a
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Gwaine is the only one who I think was captured.
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Not even Elaine was able to get away from them at first.
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You can't tell me that Wayne is not gonna end up like that, like
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that blonde headed girl who's got the gag and the collar and
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being controlled. You can't tell me that's not
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about to happen. So I was like really surprised,
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even though, yes, I know Leandro and she's she's dark and I think
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one of the sisters later on in the episode, she's she's
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mentioned the black Asha. You know, I said I sisters who
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can who break their O's and they serve the dark.
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She was like, oh, the black Asha really exists.
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So I'm like, OK, at this point you might as well have put like
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a, a, a a label on Leandra's forehead saying black Asha in
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the. House, she's wearing, she's not
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wearing a red cloak, she's wearing a black cloak.
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What? And her ring is a black ring
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now. You know, I didn't even pay
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attention, probably because that thing about the black Asha
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didn't come until later in the episode.
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And I didn't. I just thought that Leandra was
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probably, I don't know, just maybe trying to disguise herself
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out in because of course, if she goes out in her red, everybody's
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going to know, oh, she's red Asha.
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She's red Asha, so I thought she was just disguising herself.
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But now that I think about it, the stuff with the black Asha
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was mentioned later on in the episode.
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And I'm like, OK, if I go back and I look and I see Leandra in
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the black, then that's going to make a whole lot of sense now.
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So. But yeah, 'cause.
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I didn't know this, the black ring, until watching it again.
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I say details. But yeah, I'm still even, even
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with all of that knowledge, I'm still surprised because even
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when she was leaving, you could see on her face that part of her
00:22:39
was kind of like pissed that she was leaving these powerful
00:22:45
girls. Well, again, we don't really
00:22:46
know much about Elaine. We saw her use a little bit of
00:22:49
her power in this episode, but part of her looked pissed that
00:22:55
she was leaving these these promising, talented, powerful
00:22:59
women with them. But.
00:23:03
I'm sure she was pissed, but because of her oath she has
00:23:07
choice. Yeah, that's what I was going to
00:23:09
say, but we. Can do a thing and she has to do
00:23:11
a thing she doesn't have to like it.
00:23:14
She doesn't have to she she did give them a chance to fight
00:23:18
their way out, but. Yeah.
00:23:20
You know, she, she did what she was told to do.
00:23:24
Right. You know, you, you gotta be real
00:23:26
specific in your orders to somebody, you know, I'm saying.
00:23:30
Yeah, that's true. All these Azadites, like there's
00:23:33
always a footnote or like a catch or like a little asterisk
00:23:38
next to things with them. It's like, yeah, you always find
00:23:41
like they'll say something that's like asterisk.
00:23:43
There's a little hidden mean there's a little something
00:23:45
hidden under there. Yeah, you told me the ketchup
00:23:47
and bring to you. You didn't tell me I didn't have
00:23:50
to free him. Right.
00:23:52
I said I had to give him to you. I called him.
00:23:54
I brought him to you. You lost him.
00:23:55
Do you want me to do? It's just like Black Widow in
00:23:59
Civil War. Yeah, I said I I said I'd help
00:24:03
you find him. I didn't say I was gonna let you
00:24:05
take him. Yeah.
00:24:07
That that sort of thing. Yeah.
00:24:09
But OK, talking about them and their temporary escape, at least
00:24:15
for you know E Gwen because she does get caught.
00:24:20
I realized there is some character development going on
00:24:24
here and I realized it is slow going.
00:24:29
But the fact that Naive again, they keep talking about how she
00:24:36
is the most powerful channeler in the last 1000 years and the
00:24:42
moment that you have access to your abilities and you have to
00:24:47
use it to try to save your life and your friend life, your
00:24:51
friend's life and her friend's life.
00:24:54
You can't shit. I'm just wondering what the hell
00:25:01
is going on with her because every time we see that Nyneve
00:25:06
needs to to use her power for whatever she's impotent and it's
00:25:11
like dude what is going on with you?
00:25:14
There there's a point in the book where she can't purposely
00:25:18
even even in the book she she can't purposely channel unless
00:25:22
she's angry. Being bound and captured by
00:25:28
someone who you thought you was slowly starting to she's.
00:25:32
Running. She's running scared.
00:25:34
She wasn't angry. No, when she was on the ground.
00:25:37
Oh, I was going to say when she was on the ground she wasn't
00:25:40
running then, but yeah. And also, yeah, and also
00:25:44
television naive is not quite the same as book night like.
00:25:48
Nobody. Nobody.
00:25:50
Honestly, in both nobody likes her.
00:25:54
She's she's nasty as a jerk asshole in the book.
00:25:58
Very sweet though when she's around land.
00:26:01
I was about to say, how can you be nasty, a asshole and a jerk
00:26:05
and butt sweet though like she. Was sweet around land and when
00:26:09
it and when it came to the boys and and the Two Rivers people,
00:26:14
she she she could be hard on them and tough on them.
00:26:19
OK. Because she became a wisdom at
00:26:22
14 when her her teacher died. So she had in everyone in the
00:26:29
village said you were too young to be a wisdom.
00:26:33
And she was running around healing people, helping people,
00:26:35
doing all these things. And they were still treating her
00:26:38
like that. So that's how she developed,
00:26:40
developed that hard callousness around her.
00:26:43
And that's kind of what it is. It's almost like a emotional
00:26:46
barrier, which is sort of like a block to her using her powers
00:26:50
because she can really only use them in the book.
00:26:54
Only when she's really upset, you know, she can let it go.
00:26:57
But here in the show, it's just when she gets emotional and I
00:27:01
guess it wasn't enough emotion for her to channel right then
00:27:05
because she's scared, trying to run away.
00:27:07
I guess. But you're right though, I, I
00:27:11
still don't quite like this version.
00:27:15
Like, yeah, I don't know, I I still need for them to do more
00:27:19
because, you know, Naniv is still probably the number 2 most
00:27:23
popular character in the book after Matt.
00:27:27
And. It's, it's, it's kind of, it's
00:27:31
real difficult to watch this version because she's very hard
00:27:34
to like. And it's kind.
00:27:37
Of hard to root for her that keeps like you said, they keep
00:27:39
saying oh she's the most powerful channeler in 1000
00:27:41
years. And we don't.
00:27:42
And then we don't see shit. We.
00:27:44
Don't really see it. Yeah.
00:27:47
And and it just, I guess it's so interesting because, you know,
00:27:50
we see that she's developed a very strong connection to land
00:27:55
just in, you know, these few months that she's really known
00:27:59
him. And, you know, the times that
00:28:01
we've really seen her lash out is when it comes to him.
00:28:06
And I guess I'm just like, if Wayne has been your friend all
00:28:12
of her life, like you helped heal her from and that that just
00:28:18
kind of triggered my memory that brake bones fever that she saw
00:28:21
the the accepted girl healing in a couple of episodes ago.
00:28:27
That's the same thingy Wayne had that she said that.
00:28:30
Was the first time she channeled.
00:28:32
Right. So I'm like this is your friend.
00:28:36
And again, I guess maybe she was slow on the uptake, like maybe
00:28:42
she was still trying to get it through her head that Leandra
00:28:45
actually kidnapped them. And she was trying to figure out
00:28:47
because at one minute she's in the ways and now she's looking,
00:28:50
she's like, there's trees, there's grass, that's where we
00:28:53
are. And who are these people?
00:28:55
But I'm like, you are bound. Your, your power was shielded
00:29:01
for a minute and then, you know, Leandra kind of let it loose.
00:29:04
But y'all are in chains, bonds, whatever you want to call it,
00:29:07
and people are trying to capture you.
00:29:10
It's kind of like, what more do you need to get upset?
00:29:15
What more do you need to be like, I'm not going with y'all.
00:29:20
And I guess I just, I don't know, because Elaine had no
00:29:23
problems using it. Iguane had no problems using it.
00:29:28
Like Iguan stood in front of them and let that shield come
00:29:30
out. I was like, oh, OK.
00:29:32
Yeah, I was impressed. I was like, oh, oh, she's like
00:29:35
that OK. Yeah, but I mean, all she did
00:29:38
was she used it to get her bonds off of her and then they ran and
00:29:42
E Gwen used the shield. But it was just like, I hate to
00:29:49
say it like this. You got the three of them.
00:29:54
They're team mates on a group project and the group project is
00:29:59
to get away from the Sean Chan and I name is the one person in
00:30:04
the group project who did her homework.
00:30:07
She has done her research, she hasn't contributed anything to
00:30:11
the group. She forgot.
00:30:12
She forgot the poster board and the markers.
00:30:14
It's like but she's the one she read the wrong.
00:30:17
Book. Wait a second, in the last
00:30:19
episode I told you that the novices are looking at her like
00:30:23
she ain't done nothing. We ain't seen her channel that
00:30:27
one time and now she's an accepted.
00:30:31
Y'all scoffed at me when I said these novelists have not seen
00:30:37
her channel one time. Not y'all keep telling us ain't
00:30:43
the only people who's seen her channel are Marine and who ain't
00:30:47
even here in the tower and. And.
00:30:51
Leandrian who's nobody likes and we supposed to believe her
00:30:55
hands? Cherium should be looking at her
00:30:58
like, what? What?
00:30:59
What's What's the real problem? So she walked into the arches
00:31:02
and came out. Wow, she said.
00:31:06
She's channeling there, but did anybody see it?
00:31:10
No. So basically her powers are the
00:31:13
stars Snuffleupagus of the White Tower.
00:31:16
So until I see her channel, until I see it.
00:31:22
Well, you've seen it, so you know she can do it.
00:31:25
Which is why you should also be frustrated.
00:31:27
I'm. Speaking from the perspective of
00:31:30
a novice who've been busting the ass from me.
00:31:33
I got you I. Got you.
00:31:34
They can't even get the opportunity to go through.
00:31:38
Well, maybe they're, maybe they should be glad now that they
00:31:41
don't have an opportunity to go through because other than that,
00:31:43
they'd be sitting over there in front of the Shawn Chin with the
00:31:45
rest of the girls. So, you know, maybe that works
00:31:49
out in their favor. So back to what your analogy,
00:31:53
yes, she is the person in the group who's going to benefit
00:31:56
from everybody else's hard. Work yes, because she right now
00:32:00
she is free or at least because I I didn't get I didn't get to
00:32:04
the last 10 minutes of the episode so I don't remember what
00:32:06
happened at the end of the episode but but she's free but.
00:32:10
You did this well, we did see Wayne threw up the shield and
00:32:15
sacrificed herself so they could get away.
00:32:17
Yes, and that's what I'm saying Egwane fail because.
00:32:22
They didn't do the work. Right, right.
00:32:25
And like Egwane and and naive now are walking around in and
00:32:31
where foam didn't you say that Anthony everybody's going to
00:32:34
everybody should be headed towards the same place.
00:32:37
We've heard everyone mention farm now and I need and Wayne
00:32:42
are actually there. Parent has mentioned it.
00:32:44
I think Moraine has it's just like, OK.
00:32:49
Before we leave, I need Vinny Gwen Lane.
00:32:52
Let's talk about this blonde Damani, the young girl.
00:32:57
This is like the third time we've seen her.
00:33:01
I think she. I think I know who she is.
00:33:04
Oh, who she's. Talking who we we don't know
00:33:08
yet. We we haven't.
00:33:09
But she if she is swiping, she is, she's going to be very
00:33:12
important later. OK.
00:33:16
So just keep your eyes on that, on that blonde, that blonde.
00:33:21
OK, OK. That is the title of the
00:33:23
episode, The Bonnie. It is, yes.
00:33:25
And it's only said one time during the episode.
00:33:29
Oh. Yeah.
00:33:32
Yeah. OK, OK.
00:33:38
Yeah, because Lady Soros says it, doesn't she, when she's
00:33:43
having the conversation with Leandron and she's basically
00:33:46
like you, you wild dog, blah blah blah.
00:33:49
If it was up to me. Because what does she say?
00:33:53
She said the power is not just freely given and where she's
00:33:59
from just because you happen to be born with it.
00:34:02
She was like Ardamani. They trained for years to prove
00:34:07
that they are that they that they are worth having it or, you
00:34:11
know, being able to use it. And I'm like but what does it
00:34:15
matter if y'all keep them enslaved like.
00:34:18
The money, if I remember, stands for the least ones and Meredith
00:34:24
Davani is those who who should be leased.
00:34:29
Those are the wild ones. OK.
00:34:31
Did she call? Yes.
00:34:33
She she called, she did use. Yeah, she did use that term
00:34:37
because I was going to go, I was going to go look it up.
00:34:40
Yeah, if I remember, creating means those who should be leased
00:34:44
and then the mind. And her, in her mind, is all the
00:34:47
eyes to die. Yeah, they're wild dogs.
00:34:51
Yeah, they need to be leased in. College.
00:34:53
Yeah, but those threats between her and Leandra, and I was like,
00:34:57
I want to see a fight between them.
00:34:58
But my. Here's my other question.
00:35:01
Lady Siroth, can she channel? You don't know OK Or you don't
00:35:08
or you know when you're not saying OK, I just wondered.
00:35:11
I have. No knowledge.
00:35:13
Because I was like, I really want to see a fight between
00:35:18
those two, especially with the way they were throwing verbal
00:35:21
daggers at each other like a fight is inevitable.
00:35:25
And I just wanted to be one of those fights where they are
00:35:29
whooping each other's ass and then the last, the last lick
00:35:34
that either one of them throw kills the other one and they
00:35:38
just both drop dead together. I that's just kind of what I
00:35:41
want to see right now. So, OK, So what let let's talk a
00:35:49
little bit more about Leandro, but let's move on to another
00:35:53
part of the story. Because Veron has arrived at the
00:35:56
tower and she's coming to look for information.
00:36:01
She's coming to look for Iguaine and Naive, and she keeps getting
00:36:07
the runaround because of course, Naive and Iguaine aren't in the
00:36:11
tower and no one really seems to know where they are.
00:36:14
So when she goes to shariums to die, to ask Sharium is like, oh,
00:36:21
yeah, they've left the tower. They went with the daughter,
00:36:24
heir to her brother's name, day celebration.
00:36:27
And when she was saying all of this, I was like, is she a dark
00:36:31
friend? She's lying through her teeth.
00:36:35
She's lying very badly. She's, I mean.
00:36:37
She's that. Too, I feel, I feel like I felt
00:36:41
like Matt Murdock, like I feel like I could.
00:36:43
I could hear her heartbeat, fasting, beating really fast,
00:36:46
which when she was saying everything she was saying I was
00:36:47
like you like, no. I was like, she's not even
00:36:51
trying to be a good liar. But then of course later on
00:36:54
while when they're trying to figure it out, they're like, oh,
00:36:58
maybe she was coerced. And I was like, oh, that would
00:37:02
make so much sense. Because technically speaking,
00:37:05
she's not lying if she doesn't know she's lying.
00:37:09
You know what I'm saying? If someone coerced her, which I
00:37:11
was like, of course it would have to be Leandrin because
00:37:14
Leandrin was the one that took them out the tower.
00:37:16
And then I was like, oh, Leandrin is doing all kinds of
00:37:20
shit, 'cause now she's using her power to make her sisters lie so
00:37:27
that she can do what she needs to do 'cause even Sharon said
00:37:30
that when she's looking in the the book and she's saying it,
00:37:34
she's saying it like. She doesn't remember that she
00:37:39
doesn't remember that she wrote it.
00:37:40
Right. And and she's also like, I know
00:37:44
I'm saying this like this is what happened, but know if this
00:37:49
is it's it's almost like she's doubting herself and she's
00:37:52
trying to figure out, wait, what happened?
00:37:55
When did this happen? I wouldn't have given permission
00:37:57
for them to go to a like, why would she give permission for
00:38:01
Naive and a Gwaine to go to a name day ceremony for somebody
00:38:06
they don't fucking know? A Gwaine didn't even know Elaine
00:38:10
was the daughter air. So why would she grant that
00:38:14
permission? And Baron is just sitting there
00:38:16
taking it all in like. OK, I'm surprised you didn't
00:38:22
make the connection between Ravenclaw and the Brown Ozer.
00:38:25
You know I did, you know I did. I just haven't mentioned it yet.
00:38:29
It's. Only natural event the Ravenclaw
00:38:31
would become a brown ozer. Yeah.
00:38:34
Right. So yes.
00:38:37
To chain. To Chain, Yeah, I was very
00:38:40
excited when I saw that she had gotten cast in this.
00:38:44
And then when I saw her on the screen, I was like.
00:38:48
And then of course, like you said, pure Ravenclaw.
00:38:51
She's a brown Asha. They, they are, they are the,
00:38:54
I'm guessing they are the like the knowledge keepers.
00:38:57
They are the ones who who seek knowledge.
00:39:00
And I mean, that's one of the reasons why Baron is writing a
00:39:03
book and she was coming back to get another book and all.
00:39:06
Is it this other stuff? And she's just noticing.
00:39:10
Notice she doesn't say anything to the contrary.
00:39:12
Even when Leandro comes back into the tower, she's listening.
00:39:16
Leandra has her little alibi straight.
00:39:19
And when she was saying all of this, I was like, either she is
00:39:24
really, really good at lying or she actually took the steps to
00:39:28
go to the city and get the white asparagus so that she would have
00:39:31
her alibi was like this bitch. No, she's, she's really good at
00:39:36
it because she's been hiding. She's been hiding this shit the
00:39:38
whole time. It's like she she has to be like
00:39:42
the epitome of liars like that. Bitch is shady.
00:39:45
She is she man. But even even with that, Vera
00:39:51
was kind of like, she didn't say nothing.
00:39:55
She was just like, oh, OK, so you have this.
00:39:58
So I came to meet the girls, but they're not.
00:40:01
And Vandra was like, well, why wouldn't they be in the tower?
00:40:03
Well, I heard that they went to go, you know, they went with the
00:40:07
dark air. You know, I heard that they're
00:40:11
that a convoy was attacked on the way to Oh my God, if they
00:40:15
were, which I was like, yes, bitch itch.
00:40:18
And then is just sitting there like, OK, yeah, just gonna dig
00:40:22
that hole just a little bit deeper, dig it just a little bit
00:40:24
deeper. I was just like.
00:40:28
Yeah. Then then she was like, we
00:40:29
should, we should go check what? Come on, let's go.
00:40:32
Right. Baron's just sitting there like,
00:40:35
like, I've never seen Leandra this eager about anything in my
00:40:38
life unless it has to deal with killing men.
00:40:41
So yeah, I was like, oh, is. And then of course, for them to
00:40:51
sit here and figure out they're looking at the the entry in the
00:40:54
book and they're like, OK, what was what?
00:40:59
What was Katie Young's character's name?
00:41:01
It was like Yasuka or something like that.
00:41:05
Something like. That Yeah, she was sitting
00:41:07
there. She was like, OK, this is where
00:41:08
my. I did.
00:41:11
Yes, thank you. Because I can never pronounce
00:41:12
that word right. Memory comes in place.
00:41:14
She was like, so this is her her handwriting, but there's a
00:41:18
little section where the handwriting looks a little bit
00:41:21
shaky, blah, blah, blah. Like she wasn't sure.
00:41:24
And when you look at the hair, right, and I'm like, who is
00:41:27
really going to pay that much attention?
00:41:29
Like, really sit there and look with the magnifying glass?
00:41:33
Oh, yeah, there's a little squiggly line here that
00:41:35
shouldn't be. Like, I was like, yeah, you
00:41:38
definitely brought the Ravenclaw over into this one.
00:41:41
Because other than that, you just sitting here thinking that
00:41:46
maybe Sharon said I was lying. And I mean, if they hadn't, if
00:41:49
they didn't have that to go by, they really could have thought
00:41:53
that Sharon was black Asha as well, because she literally sat
00:41:58
there and told a lie, even though in her mind she didn't
00:42:01
know it. But yeah, I was like, how far is
00:42:06
Leandro's treachery gonna go? Because I hate to say it, she
00:42:10
can't be the only one. She cannot be working alone.
00:42:13
She cannot be doing this alone. She can't be.
00:42:16
Right. You would think you, you, you
00:42:20
would think that there there'd be someone else.
00:42:21
But I mean, I just thought that she's she's so good at this is
00:42:26
scary. Like, yes, but The thing is, if
00:42:30
she gets, I'm not even gonna say if she gets caught when she gets
00:42:33
caught, because eventually she's gonna have to get caught, OK?
00:42:37
Because now you have people from the outside who are not living
00:42:40
in the White Tower with you, who are there, who are observing
00:42:43
things that are not supposed to be.
00:42:47
Varon is very sharp. She's very observant.
00:42:50
I mean, we know that from when Moraine was staying with her,
00:42:53
the different little things that she was noticing that Moraine
00:42:56
wasn't saying anything. You know, she was one who's
00:42:59
like, yeah, that boy that you had and those other kids from
00:43:03
Two Rivers, one of them is the dragon, right?
00:43:05
She was like, yeah, you ain't have to tell me.
00:43:09
I just kind of observed like, Varon pays close attention.
00:43:13
So somebody there has to catch on, has to see that Leandra is
00:43:18
doing something that's not quite right, or I mean even more not
00:43:22
quite right than usual. Unless she has other people with
00:43:27
her, she can't fight a whole. I don't think she's strong
00:43:31
enough to fight a whole tower by herself.
00:43:33
The the White Towers official stance is the Black Aza does not
00:43:38
exist. But here these brown sisters
00:43:42
have proven that if Syrian was under compulsion, then it had to
00:43:49
have been someone. Who's?
00:43:52
Swimming to the dark. Who else is it going to be?
00:43:54
Nobody else comes in the tower. Nobody else would have that kind
00:43:58
of access to sharing. Right.
00:44:01
Anyone who swear the oaths would not be able to do compulsion.
00:44:06
Yeah. So if they're if they're
00:44:08
channelling, it's a woman who's an eyes to die who isn't sworn,
00:44:14
bound by the oath, Yeah. IE black Asha.
00:44:17
Yeah, so, so and I think is this the, this is the first mention
00:44:25
we've heard of Black Asha in this series so far, right,
00:44:28
'cause I don't think that. I don't think, I don't remember
00:44:31
if they mentioned it before. I don't think.
00:44:33
They have and and then maybe someone say they don't exist.
00:44:36
I don't know, I can't remember. OK, yeah, I again, I do still
00:44:41
need to go back and rewatch season 1, but I don't I don't
00:44:43
think they've mentioned it before.
00:44:45
But again, that will be very, that would be very interesting
00:44:53
if the one, if it's more than her, because that means that
00:44:59
there is some other treachery going on that we haven't even
00:45:03
seen yet 'cause again, that's, that's a lot like, yeah, getting
00:45:10
2 novices or three novices out of the cast out of the tower,
00:45:15
taking them to the Sean Chan. Yeah, OK, that's something she
00:45:19
probably could do by herself, but somebody's got a cover for
00:45:24
her. Somebody's got to make sure that
00:45:27
everyone else is looking the other way.
00:45:29
I I can't wrap my mind around the fact that she would be doing
00:45:34
all of this by herself. I think it was episode 4 very
00:45:40
mentioned the black Azure. OK, OK, so Leandra, Leandra that
00:45:48
bitch. Oh boy.
00:45:49
But OK, let's, let's, let's move to some other stuff.
00:45:55
Let's talk about Rand and Moraine for a little bit,
00:45:59
because I don't think I've ever seen Moraine move as fast as she
00:46:02
is in at the beginning of this episode.
00:46:05
Let me tell you, after seeing where Landfire did bring herself
00:46:09
back, put yourself back together.
00:46:12
If I knew she could do that, I'll be running too.
00:46:14
This fish literally zipped her throat back up.
00:46:17
Yeah, like a zipper. She's literally like, like, like
00:46:22
the Scarlet Witch meets Freddy Krueger.
00:46:24
I'm like, she is just just fuck like all this stuff like.
00:46:30
Not even just the what she did to to fix herself together, to
00:46:34
put herself together when she goes searching for them and she
00:46:37
comes across the guy on his horse and he's just asking
00:46:40
questions. Like, he doesn't even know that
00:46:42
she's evil. He's just like, hey, do you need
00:46:45
some help? Yeah.
00:46:46
Where does this road go? Sitar Valan.
00:46:48
Oh, He asked her one question. And she just flicks her hand and
00:46:54
his whole fucking head exposed. I was like am I watching the
00:46:59
boys? What is going on here?
00:47:01
Wrong Amazon show. Wrong show head popper.
00:47:06
It's almost like Doctor Strange in a multiverse of madness.
00:47:09
Just like, oh God. Just took his head clean off.
00:47:14
But, but can we back up for a second?
00:47:16
Yes, I want, I want to take a a moment.
00:47:19
Did you notice anything about landfills channeling you?
00:47:25
Normally when you see an eyes to die channel, especially when
00:47:28
they heal, you see threads of. Oh, the you mean the black?
00:47:35
Yeah, I did notice that. But I kind of figured, like, I
00:47:40
don't think that surprised me because at the beginning of last
00:47:43
episode, when we saw Ishmael breaking Landfair out of her
00:47:48
prison when she was forming, she had like some black goo mixed in
00:47:54
with the red blood. So that didn't really surprise
00:47:56
me much. I just thought, I just thought
00:47:59
that that was just because she was forsaken.
00:48:03
That's just how she channels. But is there something
00:48:05
significant about that? Yes.
00:48:08
That you can tell without it being spoilery.
00:48:11
Let's do a little bit spoilers Your your screen name says.
00:48:13
I promise most spoilers maybe maybe under the maybe.
00:48:19
Aha so so here's here's a maybe. That's not really a sporish, I
00:48:24
don't think. Not yet.
00:48:26
By the time anything significant happens, y'all won't remember
00:48:29
this anyway. OK.
00:48:31
We we talked about the one power and there's a male and female
00:48:36
side of the one Power and that's Sidene and side Dog.
00:48:41
So that's what they're channeling, right?
00:48:44
OK. Sidene is for the women inside
00:48:48
ours for the men, right? Or do I?
00:48:49
Or do I have that reversed? Sidene is men side are.
00:48:54
OK, OK, OK. The source of that is the true
00:49:01
source. It comes from the will.
00:49:04
That's that's from the creator, the true source.
00:49:07
OK. However, there is another the
00:49:14
true power. OK.
00:49:18
The true power has a source, and it is the dark one.
00:49:23
OK. That is a separate power from
00:49:28
the one power. OK.
00:49:32
And the characteristics of people who channel the true
00:49:35
power, the black specks in their eyes is a characteristics of the
00:49:41
true power. OK, OK.
00:49:43
But you can only channel it if he allows you to, and there are
00:49:49
very few. They are allowed to channel the
00:49:52
true power. OK, so that tells you how high
00:49:57
up on the totem pole she really is.
00:49:59
But you know, that's the thing I was thinking about that too,
00:50:02
when Moraine and Rand are running and of course Rand is
00:50:06
trying to get answers because he's still thinking like, you
00:50:09
killed her, you killed her. And Moraine is like, dude, I
00:50:13
keep telling you that's going, that's going to barely leave a
00:50:16
scratch. She was going to piss her off.
00:50:19
Yeah, so when she was using the whip that was one power when she
00:50:23
popped the people head person said that was using the one
00:50:26
power. So she.
00:50:28
So she has access to both. OK, OK.
00:50:31
But yeah, so when and I noticed that when when Rand and Moraine
00:50:36
were having the conversation and Moraine was kind of giving him
00:50:39
the rundown, I was thinking about how we've been hard on
00:50:43
Rand. We like Rand.
00:50:44
You just all out in the open. You're not really hiding
00:50:47
yourself while you using your same name.
00:50:50
Aren't people looking for you? And then when they had that
00:50:53
conversation, it put every it kind of reminded me of
00:50:56
everything. 1 Rand did not know until that moment that Moraine
00:51:02
told him that what he fought in the last season was not the last
00:51:06
battle. He thought that he fought the
00:51:09
Dark One, and that was the last battle he.
00:51:12
Thought it was over. He thought it was over, which is
00:51:15
why he wasn't hiding like we thought he should be hiding.
00:51:19
And then she was like, yeah, you didn't fight.
00:51:22
That was not the last battle. That was not the Dark 1.
00:51:25
You set one of his top lieutenants free.
00:51:29
And Rand is sitting here looking at her like, the fuck did you
00:51:32
just say? She was like, yeah.
00:51:35
And land Fear is his top person. Ran you in danger, boy?
00:51:40
I'm. Ran Danger.
00:51:43
Boy, and I had to sit there and think about I was like, OK, so
00:51:47
we really have to kind of give Lance, I mean, ran some space
00:51:51
because he didn't know. He thought, OK, I I did what I
00:51:56
was supposed to do at the end of the world.
00:51:58
That's why he told Moraine to tell everyone he was dead
00:52:01
because he was like, OK, I did what I was supposed to do as the
00:52:03
dragon. Now I just got to, you know,
00:52:06
deal with this thing that's gonna eventually make me crazy
00:52:10
and make me want to kill my friends.
00:52:11
So I'm gonna go as far away from them as possible.
00:52:14
And so he really thought that he was safe being away from them.
00:52:20
And then now he finds out that not only did he not fight the
00:52:23
last battle, not only did he not beat Dark One, that wasn't even
00:52:27
the Dark One that he was having a conversation with.
00:52:30
That was his lack. So you still ain't met the head
00:52:34
dude. And then you're having to wrap
00:52:38
your brain around all of this while fleeing for your life from
00:52:43
the person that you literally just professed your love to,
00:52:47
finding out that not only is she not who you thought she was, but
00:52:51
she is the first left tenant of the left tenant of the dark one.
00:52:57
Like she is high up on the totem pole and now she's coming to
00:53:00
find you. And Mirain is like, if we don't
00:53:02
hurry up. We did.
00:53:05
We really did. That's all.
00:53:07
Again, going back to the last episode when I was telling Mike
00:53:11
to give Ransom slack, this boy got a lot to deal with and he
00:53:17
don't even he doesn't even have all the facts.
00:53:21
So I was just, I was sitting here like he just, I don't know,
00:53:30
he's having to wrap his mind around that.
00:53:32
And then not only that, you just saw Moraine kill, quote, UN
00:53:36
quote kill somebody, which, yeah, they had a lot of things
00:53:40
to say about Moraine in the first season, but he's never
00:53:44
seen her be ruthless like that. She literally stuck a sword
00:53:48
through Landfill's chest and then slit her throat and then
00:53:51
was like, pick up your sword, let's go.
00:53:54
They get to the stable, they find horses.
00:53:57
They said she basically tells the stable keeper.
00:54:00
Stable keeper was like, I'm not going to say anything.
00:54:02
Oh no, you're coming with us. And then she goes to kill the
00:54:06
fourth horse. And Rand is like, why you gotta
00:54:08
do that? Because there's an extra horse.
00:54:11
We can't give her a way to follow us.
00:54:13
And she kills the horse and Rand is sitting there looking at her
00:54:15
like, who the fuck is this? And what did you do with
00:54:18
Moraine? He's not used to this.
00:54:20
He's still trying to wrap his mind around this and he's having
00:54:24
to flee for his life. So he doesn't.
00:54:26
Again, we talk about this all the time.
00:54:28
They deal with trauma, trauma, trauma, chaos, chaos, chaos.
00:54:31
And they don't have time to sit and think about it and process
00:54:35
it and, and get to a point where they're like, OK, this has
00:54:38
happened. This is how I got to deal with
00:54:40
it. Now we can move on.
00:54:41
He doesn't have time to do that because he's again fleeing for
00:54:44
his life. He doesn't realize that she sent
00:54:48
that woman off with those horses knowing that she's going to die,
00:54:52
right? He didn't know that.
00:54:53
Right. Well, here's the thing.
00:54:56
She didn't die well, but she. How's she saying that?
00:55:01
How's she going? To eat.
00:55:02
That's what I was just about to say.
00:55:03
She she going to die eventually because she can't eat.
00:55:06
She literally melted her mouth shut like Neo from the Matrix.
00:55:10
She just like like Scarlet Witch did Black Bolt and.
00:55:13
That too, yes. I I was just like, 'cause when I
00:55:17
saw the lady. Because what happens is Moraine
00:55:20
and Rand get off the horses and they hide.
00:55:23
Lanfir rides past them. And Moraine was like, yeah, it's
00:55:28
gonna be about a day or so before she realizes that we've
00:55:31
tricked her and she's gonna come back.
00:55:34
And when I saw the lady with the horses, I was like, wow, she
00:55:39
really did that. And the lady was like, yeah,
00:55:44
can't believe she used you as bait.
00:55:46
Like, OK, I'll give Moraine a little more credit.
00:55:48
Even when she was talking to Ishmael late later on, Ishmael
00:55:53
was like, so how how did Rand take it when you told him about
00:55:57
what you are? She was like, I didn't tell him.
00:55:59
Moraine did. And she was just giving him that
00:56:02
look. And he was like, oh, she's like,
00:56:05
you had to leave her alive. Like, what was it she said when
00:56:08
she when she woke up from being dead?
00:56:10
She was like bitch like I can't believe she did that.
00:56:15
Moraine got a little bit more backbone than y'all think she
00:56:17
does. And that shows you also about
00:56:21
Moraine's character Moraine when she says she is willing to do
00:56:25
what she needs to do to keep Rand alive.
00:56:28
She was not joking with y'all. She was like oh I got to stab a
00:56:31
bitch in the heart and slit her throat.
00:56:33
Done I. Got to kill a horse.
00:56:39
Done right, got to. Leave a woman to die for no
00:56:42
reason. Right.
00:56:44
'Cause land fear didn't have to kill the man on the horse.
00:56:46
She could have just bound him and put him down.
00:56:48
She didn't have to kill. She didn't have to close the
00:56:51
mouth woman's mouth. The woman didn't even say
00:56:53
anything out of the pocket. She didn't.
00:56:56
She didn't even know what she. Was doing, she said.
00:56:59
Oh, I. Won't.
00:57:00
I'm not. I won't say anything.
00:57:01
I. Won't yeah, that that I think
00:57:03
was what? Because you didn't.
00:57:06
You could have just. Sound like her.
00:57:07
That's that's my conscience here.
00:57:08
I probably done same thing like oh let me let me make sure.
00:57:12
Yeah, because most of the times when people say they won't say
00:57:15
anything, they end up saying something.
00:57:16
So lately. Who was she going to say to
00:57:19
about anything? What was she going to say This
00:57:21
This woman came chasing after these two people on the horse.
00:57:25
She could have, yeah. Yeah.
00:57:28
But what significance would have none.
00:57:31
I mean, enough to where she was, she probably would have been
00:57:33
like, no. But I mean.
00:57:36
I think part of it was to just show that landfill doesn't
00:57:39
really care about anybody, right?
00:57:42
No regard. For life, right?
00:57:44
And that is corroborated with Moraine statement later on when
00:57:50
they get into Tarvilan, she tells Rand because he's talking
00:57:54
about how he's tired. He was like, we need to sleep.
00:57:56
She was like, Oh no, we absolutely do not need to sleep.
00:57:59
And she said landfill was known for two things.
00:58:02
This is what made her so dangerous as a forsaken one.
00:58:06
What does she say? She said something about just
00:58:10
unnecessary cruelty, like she can be just callously cruel for
00:58:15
no reason. And two, she can come to you in
00:58:18
your dreams and she can kill you in your dreams just as sure as
00:58:21
she can kill you in real life. And Rand is again turn and
00:58:24
looking at her like what the fuck did I just did it?
00:58:28
Myself, yes, she she was the master of till around Riyadh,
00:58:32
which is the dream world. Yeah, I mean, we and we see that
00:58:36
later on, 'cause she even gets into Ishmael's dream.
00:58:39
Yeah, he did say, hey, I've had time to learn, so he's been
00:58:43
working on it. Right.
00:58:45
Uh huh. Yeah, ish.
00:58:46
Apparently Ishmael's dreams about Rand with the short red
00:58:49
hair like I. Was like, but you know what?
00:58:53
I was like, I was like, is he doing that because it's Rand or
00:58:57
is he doing that because he knows it's her?
00:59:00
Like she's dangling. She's dangling a prize in front
00:59:03
of him. He's just like, yeah, whatever.
00:59:04
I know. There.
00:59:06
There's a reason that he's like that with Duran.
00:59:11
The boy is mine. The doggone boy is mine.
00:59:15
That's not it. Not not that.
00:59:20
Reason Yeah, but OK, since since we got to Moraine and and Rand,
00:59:28
let's let's continue with that little thread because she does
00:59:31
go back to her sister's house disheveled, full of blood on her
00:59:36
stuff and she has the extra person, but we get to meet her
00:59:40
nephew in this one too. So it's like the future king,
00:59:44
the future king or king console, queen consort, whatever you want
00:59:48
to call it. But again, I, I find it
00:59:53
interesting because Moraine, we just saw her do all this stuff.
00:59:59
We just saw her be cruel. We just saw her be kind of
01:00:02
calculating cold. And then she gets home and, and
01:00:07
her sister comes to see her and starts talking to her.
01:00:10
And you kind of saw, see her let her walls down for a bit, which
01:00:15
is very, very rare for Lorraine. We don't really see that a lot.
01:00:20
And she gets some advice from her sister, which is advice that
01:00:23
she gave her sister years ago. And it was basically like,
01:00:28
anytime something hard comes up, anytime you're uncertain of
01:00:31
anything, my older sister told me this be true or what is it?
01:00:37
Is it true? Is it true?
01:00:40
And something about that makes Moran go, OK, because what?
01:00:45
What? What is it that Anna Vera asked
01:00:48
her. She said, is it true that Rand
01:00:53
needs protection that only you can provide?
01:00:56
And it's kind of like, oh, wait, maybe I'm not the only person
01:01:02
who can save him. And I was like, oh, look at
01:01:06
Moraine listening to somebody. What a novel thing.
01:01:09
Because Moraine don't listen to nobody.
01:01:12
Nobody. No.
01:01:14
She takes in new information and she processes it very quickly.
01:01:17
But. Unless you have new information,
01:01:22
she doesn't need to process it. She underestimated her sister
01:01:28
once, she's not going to do it again.
01:01:30
Yeah, 'cause she. Made that mistake once and.
01:01:35
Yeah. Yeah, she's hanging.
01:01:37
So if her sister says something this time, she's going to this.
01:01:40
Yeah, because that sister might know a little something that
01:01:45
that she doesn't know. I mean, we got that.
01:01:48
I am concerned about her son, her nephew, because he's like,
01:01:55
Ran, aren't you tired? Shouldn't you get some sleep?
01:02:03
So. Now, now I'm concerned, right?
01:02:06
Yeah, because. And, you know, I think the first
01:02:13
time I watched it, I didn't pay attention to that because you
01:02:18
literally just met Rand and you saw how bedraggled they looked
01:02:23
when they came in. And I mean, when we see people
01:02:28
who look tired, we'll say something to that effect.
01:02:32
Are you OK? Are you tired?
01:02:34
Are you getting enough rest? That sort of thing.
01:02:37
But yes, seems weird. And two on the nose, OK.
01:02:45
Too much so. So I, I don't know.
01:02:50
And then you know his whole thing about Moraine.
01:02:54
And granted, I know it's been 20 years since you seen your auntie
01:02:57
and you kind of want her to stick around, but to pull the
01:03:00
hole, I'm about to be the king. And I'm basically telling you
01:03:05
that as my what is it that I, I, I'm ordering you to stay.
01:03:13
I'm ordering you to come to my wedding.
01:03:15
I'm ordering you to be here. The wedding is not for a few
01:03:18
weeks. You really think Miranda is
01:03:19
about to sit in one place, even if you don't know what's going
01:03:22
on with her? Like this is a woman you ain't
01:03:25
seen in 20 years. You think she she coming for a
01:03:28
leisurely visit to to watch a royal wedding and all this other
01:03:33
stuff? No, that, that don't seem like
01:03:37
the right thing to do. So I I don't know.
01:03:41
He he seems him seems a little suspect, but I and I, I don't
01:03:52
know is it, is it that everybody that we're looking at in in this
01:03:56
particular show now, are we double guessing everyone?
01:04:02
We have to because every everybody's heisty.
01:04:05
You can't trust no these mother fuckers around here.
01:04:07
Well, I don't trust him because in the book, the person he's
01:04:10
supposed to marry is actually a king, which he's not going in
01:04:17
the book, he's not set. There's no arranged marriage in
01:04:20
the book. So it makes me think that this
01:04:24
this is this is going to be something this for the TV show,
01:04:32
which I think they're trying to give him a motivation to do
01:04:37
things that I'm I'm just going to say that is again, something
01:04:44
they've done in the show that Robert Jordan didn't necessarily
01:04:49
do in the book, which was make characters more more, have more
01:04:55
depth. Yeah.
01:04:56
And not be one note. So in order to give his
01:04:59
character some more depth and maybe some more motivation, you
01:05:05
make it where he has something to lose, which is his arranged
01:05:09
marriage to make him king. Because in the book, there's no
01:05:13
arranged marriage, Gaudrian or Galladrian.
01:05:18
It's supposed to is is a king and is the king of Cayman.
01:05:23
So he's not marrying a dude. Is this this is not how this
01:05:26
book? OK.
01:05:29
So I think like Cayman, isn't that where Elaine is from?
01:05:32
Or Karen, Karen, Karen. Karen.
01:05:38
Which I don't know why Robert Jordan did it.
01:05:39
The city of Carian in the country is Carian, which is
01:05:42
this. I don't understand why you did
01:05:44
it. Carian and Camlin.
01:05:46
I think where Elaine is from is Camlin.
01:05:48
Camlin, yes, but Carian is a city in the country of Carian.
01:05:54
It's. Like New York, NY.
01:05:57
Right. And Camlin is in Andor.
01:06:01
OK. That's a big confused with can't
01:06:04
see in the van door. I I know on door in the Middle
01:06:07
Earth. Yeah, 'cause I think, 'cause I
01:06:11
think when I first, when Elaine was first introduced and she
01:06:14
said something about Andor, I was like, huh.
01:06:18
And I was like, did I hear that wrong?
01:06:20
Because I was thinking Star Wars and I was like, wait, that's not
01:06:25
right. But yes, too, too many of these
01:06:28
fantasy places got they got too many names that that sound
01:06:34
familiar, but OK. But yeah, I.
01:06:39
Just I just hope Marine's sister is near dark front.
01:06:42
That would just be that would be too much.
01:06:45
I could take it if he was, but not not if she was.
01:06:48
I, I don't, I don't think her sister is.
01:06:59
I just, I, I don't because because it would be too easy
01:07:08
like especially with Moraine being there, Ran being there.
01:07:12
I think if if her sister was a dark friend, they wouldn't have
01:07:17
to go through all of this. Like the conversation that
01:07:21
Ishmael and and Lanfi are having about the other Forsaken and
01:07:28
about how they're going to play this and, and how the, you know,
01:07:33
how the other people are kind of playing into all of this.
01:07:36
They wouldn't need to have all of this conversation if on there
01:07:40
was a dark friend because all she'd have to do is some of
01:07:43
them. And I mean, she's got them both
01:07:45
right there. And granted, Moraine is probably
01:07:50
of no use to them, but yeah, Randy's right there.
01:07:56
If if she were a dart friend, she would know that Rand is at
01:08:01
least on the radar, even though, you know, he's supposedly is
01:08:05
dead. I think Ishmael would have been
01:08:08
like, hey, by the way, I need you to be on the lookout.
01:08:13
And she could have, she could have given Rand up long ago if
01:08:17
she was a dart friend, because she's the one who told Moran
01:08:20
where Rand was. I mean, unless.
01:08:21
There's a plan you remember. You remember.
01:08:27
I mean, didn't. Didn't.
01:08:28
He he has a plan. Like sorry, I'm sorry.
01:08:32
No, somebody Shamiel. Shamiel has a plan.
01:08:36
His plan is not to to capture and kill Ran.
01:08:40
He he has a plan. Yeah.
01:08:43
He, he had plenty of opportunity to do that.
01:08:46
He's had plenty of opportunity to capture him, plenty of
01:08:49
opportunity to throw the whole thing.
01:08:52
You know he could have killed a parent, right?
01:08:55
He could have had Matt killed. But now, 'cause he said
01:08:58
something in this conversation, like he's waiting for parents to
01:09:03
turn into what he's supposed to be, whatever him being a wolf
01:09:08
brother is supposed to be, he said something about that in
01:09:11
that conversation with Matt Field.
01:09:12
He does, he's he, he said he'll be.
01:09:13
It's not, it's not important 'cause he'll be more wolf than
01:09:16
man anyway. Yeah.
01:09:17
But but the point is. Not a werewolf, Mike.
01:09:21
A lot of his plans are about time and patience, letting
01:09:26
things play out. So even if they were dark
01:09:28
friends, they would still let them be about their way because
01:09:32
he would have told them I have plans, you know, and he's ain't
01:09:37
going to tell anyone plan. He's like, no, this is what
01:09:39
you're going to do. You're going to give them
01:09:41
everything they want, everything they need to get where they need
01:09:44
to go because I need them to be there.
01:09:48
Like he said, the the final battle will be determined based
01:09:53
on what happens in. Fall, Fall.
01:09:57
So he needs everyone to be in fall.
01:09:59
Well, didn't, but didn't didn't Moraine's sister?
01:10:03
Like was she introduced to Rand or did Rand just walk up to her?
01:10:07
No, remember, she was the one who she was the one who walked
01:10:10
up to Rand at the at the party, at the hooting, you know, hoity
01:10:15
toity party and was the one who warned him about such such.
01:10:19
That's why when when Moraine was making her introduction, she was
01:10:23
like, we've already met. Yeah, no.
01:10:26
No, I know. No, I know.
01:10:27
But that's what I'm saying when I'm saying what I'm saying is I
01:10:31
mean it like you, like you said, if if someone told her to keep
01:10:35
an eye out for a tall, tall redheaded guy who looks like he
01:10:39
feels, looks way out of place around here, there he is.
01:10:43
Oh, let me let me see if this is who they're talking about.
01:10:46
Stop conversation with him, maybe flirt with him a little
01:10:49
bit, then here comes, then here's here comes Celine slash
01:10:55
Fred, Freda Krueger over there. And she kind of interrupted and
01:10:59
pulls him away. Freda Krueger.
01:11:02
I mean, she, I think, OK, I'm sorry, it's been a minute.
01:11:07
Everything. I'll put it out there that
01:11:10
Lorraine's sister may have been coerced by Ishmael or someone or
01:11:16
a dark friend or someone like that because of the painful,
01:11:22
because of the things that have gone on with her, with Moraine,
01:11:25
like Moraine leaving and her being without him and everything
01:11:29
going to shit and all that other stuff.
01:11:31
Maybe she made a deal and that's how that's how her.
01:11:34
That's how the family snapped back so quick.
01:11:37
And they're saying that Mary the Queen, right?
01:11:41
I mean, that's, that's, that's a, that's a big, that's a big
01:11:44
turn around for them. I mean, maybe she turned to save
01:11:47
the family and this is the this is what she has to do as
01:11:50
penance. So if I buy that though, I just.
01:11:55
It makes sense to me, Mike. She seems to me like she has, I
01:12:04
don't know, some something about her seems like she she wouldn't
01:12:12
accept help from anybody else to do what she had to do to bring
01:12:17
her family back to where their status should be.
01:12:21
Desperate terms call for desperate measures.
01:12:23
I I just, I don't know if I see it with her.
01:12:26
I, I understand what you're saying how to go, but one of the
01:12:31
issues with Robert Jordan's writing, he's never been labeled
01:12:35
as misogynistic, but a lot of his characters are problematic
01:12:41
in some ways, especially his characterization of women.
01:12:45
So it, it, it's, it's there, but I, I understand why you would be
01:12:50
hesitant and reluctant, because it would be great to know that
01:12:54
she got to where she was just based on how she was and who she
01:12:57
was and not wanting to be a certain way.
01:13:00
But we also have to kind of remember that the source
01:13:03
material, Robert Jordan, wasn't he, he wrote some strong women,
01:13:09
but they, a lot of them still were problematic.
01:13:13
The fact that as strong as I need was, she could only the
01:13:16
channel when she was angry. You know, even in the show, she
01:13:20
can only the channel because of her feelings for a man.
01:13:24
So, yeah, I I understand where you're coming from.
01:13:27
And we would hope that she didn't make a deal to get where
01:13:31
she was, but we also can't can't kind of dismiss it either.
01:13:36
Does does that make sense? Yeah.
01:13:38
I mean, I don't want it to be true because.
01:13:40
You don't want it to be true, but it kind of tracks with
01:13:45
what's going on. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't, I
01:13:48
mean, in a party full of people, she just, she just meanders
01:13:51
right over to him. It could be because he's a new
01:13:53
face, but it could be because she was told to look for a new
01:13:56
face and see if that's who it was.
01:13:58
So, I mean, and everybody's in on it.
01:14:02
I mean, maybe her son's life was, maybe he died and she made
01:14:06
a deal to save him and he knows about it and he's trying not to
01:14:10
die. I mean, there, there, there's a
01:14:12
whole lot there. There's a, there's a litany of
01:14:14
reasons that she, she could have made a deal.
01:14:16
I'm just saying that everything falling in line the way it is is
01:14:20
just way too convenient. And there's a sub take sub takes
01:14:25
in this show about swearing oath and exchanging and like, looking
01:14:32
at the reason why anyone would swear allegiance to the dark,
01:14:37
you know? And like Leandro was trying to
01:14:39
say, everyone kind of has a price.
01:14:43
Yeah. But, but even even with that,
01:14:46
and, and I know we see that a lot in, in all kinds of stores,
01:14:50
you always have those people who, like you said, have a
01:14:54
price, but there's always one or two for who, because of who they
01:15:02
are, because of their character, they can't be bought.
01:15:06
And I don't know, there's something about Moraine's
01:15:09
sister. Maybe it's about the fact that
01:15:13
she used to idolize Moraine so much.
01:15:16
Maybe it's just the fact that she made such a point of letting
01:15:21
Moraine know what she had to do in order to bring their family
01:15:25
back up to status. Something tells me she would be
01:15:29
too proud to all of a sudden capitulate to somebody else and
01:15:34
be like, OK, yeah, I'm gonna do whatever you say just because I
01:15:37
want this, I want that. I I think she's too proud of
01:15:41
that. So or too proud for that.
01:15:44
So I don't know. I guess we'll see in the next
01:15:47
few episodes whether or not that that is the case.
01:15:50
But in the meanwhile, like you said, the son, he might seem a
01:15:59
little questionable. But again, we just met him, so
01:16:02
we don't know what he's like. He there's just the fact that
01:16:06
him saying that whole oh, Rand, don't you want to go to sleep
01:16:09
thing right after Moraine said, yeah, you can't go to sleep.
01:16:12
That does seem a little sketchy. But that could also be the
01:16:16
writers kind of throwing us off the track.
01:16:19
You know, they could be making us think it's him and it could
01:16:22
be on on there. I don't think it is, but we'll
01:16:25
see. But in any way, Lorraine tells
01:16:29
Rand that they are gonna stay. And then she brings him to her
01:16:32
room and she's like, yeah, you need to sleep.
01:16:35
And he's like, excuse me, you told me I can't go to sleep.
01:16:39
She said you can't go to sleep by yourself, but you can go to
01:16:43
sleep and I can watch over you because we need Landfair to get
01:16:48
in touch with you. And he was like, Hola, Hola Rand
01:16:51
is like, wait, God damage. You've been playing everybody
01:16:54
else for bait. Now you want me to be bait?
01:16:56
You want me to go to sleep so she can come come to me in my
01:17:00
dreams. Why would you do that?
01:17:02
He was like, and he basically told me he was like, look, you
01:17:06
want me to pretend I'm in love with a forsaken.
01:17:09
He was like, I, I got to tell you, regardless of what she is,
01:17:14
some of that might not have been fake.
01:17:16
Like there really could have been something went between us
01:17:20
and she was like, whatever you want to do, whatever you're
01:17:23
comfortable with, if you go to sleep and she comes to you, at
01:17:26
least you can figure out what she wants.
01:17:28
And if it looks like she's hurting you, I can wake you up.
01:17:31
But I don't think she's going to because there might be that
01:17:34
connection. And Rand is just sitting there
01:17:36
like first you tell me no, now you tell me yes, you tell me,
01:17:40
don't do this, You tell me, you tell me to run from her, now you
01:17:43
tell me to go to her. Like, what do you want me to do?
01:17:47
But of course he goes to sleep and here comes Landfair having
01:17:50
him tied up and bound. Almost immediately, as soon as
01:17:54
he closed his eyes. Literally.
01:17:57
But you know, she was waiting for him.
01:17:59
She was in the dream world waiting for him.
01:18:02
So she. Susie.
01:18:03
Susie closed his eyes. He ended up in a damn Janet
01:18:05
Jackson concert. All of a sudden, Rope Burns
01:18:07
started playing. Right, right, no shirt in the
01:18:11
desert, sweaty and she fully, she fully dressed and she's like
01:18:16
finally I'm like, oh God, all of.
01:18:18
A sudden me on the velvet rope tour.
01:18:20
Right. Tie me up, tie me down.
01:18:24
Right. The only thing we need is for
01:18:25
her to climb, climb on top of him and do the little gyrating
01:18:28
thing like she does. But yeah.
01:18:31
Dicarlos, by the way. But yeah, I was just like, OK,
01:18:37
so like, I don't know how Randy's going to play this in
01:18:41
this dream because he was like, I got to go in here and pretend
01:18:44
like, you know, I'm still in love with her and try to.
01:18:48
He's going to have to kind of bullshit his way around that.
01:18:51
Be like, OK, so you need to explain to me, because Lorraine
01:18:54
told me this, that and the other about you.
01:18:57
I don't want to believe it's true.
01:18:58
You got to tell me the truth. And then what is she going to
01:19:01
do? I I kind of have a feeling she's
01:19:03
probably going to be like, OK, yeah.
01:19:05
So yeah, I am a forsaken. This is what I'm here for.
01:19:09
And I want you to come to the dark side with me.
01:19:12
You know, she's going to pull a Vader on him and he's going to
01:19:16
be like, what? But I, I'm just saying, come to
01:19:21
the dark side. Come to the dark side, get this
01:19:23
cake. Well, at least you didn't say
01:19:26
cookies. But yeah, I mean, because other
01:19:30
than that, like the fact that she is still alive after Moraine
01:19:35
killed it, that's already going to throw up the red flag for
01:19:38
Ran. He's going to be like, OK, so I
01:19:40
literally saw you get stuck, you know, get stabbed in a chest and
01:19:43
you had your throat slashed. How are you here right now?
01:19:46
So it's not like she can exactly like lie to him and be like, oh,
01:19:49
she missed me by answer. She just stabbed me in my
01:19:52
shoulder. Oh, OK.
01:19:53
Your throat. No.
01:19:56
What? What?
01:19:59
Right. What are what are we doing?
01:20:00
What? What is this here?
01:20:02
So she's got to tell him the truth.
01:20:04
Now, whether she tells him the truth and then be like, well,
01:20:07
I'm actually just trying to protect you.
01:20:09
Or if she's going to be like, I want you to come to the dark
01:20:12
side. This is this is what I need from
01:20:14
you or this is what you need to do or blah, blah, blah.
01:20:17
That remains to be seen. But I'm just like, give a man
01:20:22
some time to get over his shit before you just throw him back
01:20:25
to the wolves. Give him some.
01:20:28
Hey, how smart do you think she is?
01:20:31
Who, Lorraine? Lorraine No, yeah.
01:20:36
Or Landfair. Landfair, Landfair.
01:20:39
She's she's been in existence for thousands of years.
01:20:42
She's probably extremely smart because I don't think the Dark
01:20:46
One would keep somebody dumb in the upper echelons of.
01:20:50
Him she could be powerful and not not as not have a lot of
01:20:55
like common sense like what I'm wondering is would she know that
01:21:00
Moraine is right there to wake him up?
01:21:02
Probably. So she probably would.
01:21:05
Sure she does, because she. OK especially if if they know
01:21:10
anything about Moraine. Like Moraine literally Moraine
01:21:13
has no powers right now so she literally risked her life coming
01:21:20
to get Ran. So at this point, they probably
01:21:24
know that she is going to do whatever she needs to do to
01:21:28
protect Ran. So.
01:21:31
And I think Ishmael probably knows that too, which is
01:21:34
probably one of the reasons why he took her power from her.
01:21:38
So yeah, she knows that Moraine is not going to let Rand just
01:21:43
wander into that dreamscape unattended or unbeknownst to
01:21:49
her. Yeah, I, I don't, I think she
01:21:52
very much knows. Now, does does she suspect that
01:21:56
Rand would go back and tell Marae?
01:21:59
I don't know that. I think that would depend on the
01:22:04
strength of what she thinks he feels for her, or what she
01:22:09
thinks or may actually feel for him.
01:22:11
Yeah, but in this episode we don't.
01:22:13
We don't know what she's going to say to him because all she
01:22:16
says to him is finally. Finally.
01:22:18
Yeah, and then cut. Right.
01:22:22
I mean, she could be saying finally, because she's like, OK,
01:22:25
I got you up here half naked. This is a final booty call
01:22:28
before I kill you. I mean, she could be doing that.
01:22:30
We don't know. I doubt it.
01:22:33
But again, yeah, I I think she's smart enough to know that Rand
01:22:39
is probably coming in there with with the full knowledge of what
01:22:42
he's going to encounter when he has a confrontation with her.
01:22:46
Like Rand is not at this point, he's not going to be naive about
01:22:50
it. He's not going to be like, well,
01:22:52
Lorraine told me this about you tell me it's not true.
01:22:55
I don't think, I don't think Rand is going to do that.
01:22:57
He's going to be like, you need to tell me the fucking truth.
01:23:00
Right now it'll be it'll be interesting to know why she
01:23:05
strung him up and didn't necessarily shield him, but I
01:23:10
guess we'll find out next episode.
01:23:12
I was maybe she thinks that he can channel in the dream world
01:23:16
and she's like, yeah, let's not have that happen.
01:23:19
Yeah, but she, she probably didn't shield him, though.
01:23:22
I we'll we'll see. I, I, I just thought about that
01:23:25
just now. Like, why does she tie him up on
01:23:27
the wheel? But I know there's some
01:23:29
symbolism there that she strung him up on the wheel with seven
01:23:33
spokes representing the seven ages, which is crazy.
01:23:36
See, you're look, you're looking at all of that.
01:23:39
I'm looking at this woman was literally sitting on top of him
01:23:42
when she got killed. And she's probably like, you owe
01:23:45
me like if. He if he does kind of break the
01:23:51
wheel to escape, that's literally what what they want
01:23:55
him to do. Yeah, yeah.
01:24:00
So OK. So I'll give production
01:24:02
designers a little bit of credit on that.
01:24:06
Yeah, throwing, throwing some stuff that that we may or may
01:24:10
not see, 'cause I didn't even think about that.
01:24:11
But again, it's been a minute since I've seen this episode.
01:24:15
Like half the stuff that happened in this episode I
01:24:18
didn't remember happened. I was like, Oh yeah, it did
01:24:21
happen. Like I've ended in Perrin.
01:24:24
Yeah, let's. Go there 'cause I was just.
01:24:26
Yeah, and the white cloaks. We finally, finally get to see
01:24:29
him. So let me just say.
01:24:35
Or out of parent and parent is Elias.
01:24:40
Yeah, let's start there, because I don't really want to talk
01:24:43
about child Valda right now. So yeah, let's start with with.
01:24:48
Parents like, wait a second, you took us back to, to which we'll
01:24:53
call it. The the town.
01:24:54
I can't remember. Yeah.
01:24:55
What was it? Whatever the place where we got
01:25:00
attacked and captured, you brought us back here.
01:25:03
We're. Basically in a big circle.
01:25:06
Right, like you're supposed to be taking me to save my friends.
01:25:09
And Elias keeps trying to tell Parent though those guys,
01:25:14
they're not your pack. And he said, especially your, he
01:25:17
said, especially your wife. He said the people from the two
01:25:19
rivers are not your pack, your wife is not your pack.
01:25:22
I said. Bro you saying the wrong thing
01:25:25
right now? OK, OK so when parent has he
01:25:28
thinks about what happened? I swear that clip of his wife
01:25:32
look like she was about to. She was about to ask him in the
01:25:34
back when he turned around. So y'all going to make me have
01:25:40
to? They're going to have to.
01:25:41
They're going to make me go back and rewatch.
01:25:43
That reframe. It and and that kind of take it
01:25:46
frame by frame so you can see which way it goes.
01:25:48
I don't want to do that but I swear it looks.
01:25:53
Like I mean because because parent parent was basically
01:25:55
reacting out of instinct. Like if someone was attacking
01:25:58
me, he would just turn around. Imagine if she was a dark friend
01:26:03
there to watch them. Oh, that's no, I don't want to
01:26:08
do that. What better way to get close to
01:26:09
somebody? Than y'all can't taint Layla's
01:26:13
image after a whole season and a half of us feeling with parent
01:26:19
the loss of his pregnant wife. Y'all cannot do that, no.
01:26:25
I don't know because she don't exist in the book so.
01:26:31
I'll go back and look at it later, but no, I don't think
01:26:33
that's what happened. I'm gonna call they That is not
01:26:37
what happened. But anyway, the fact that Elias
01:26:40
brings her up and I was like, dude, you you really want to
01:26:44
piss this dude off like why are you doing this and parent is
01:26:48
like, look, I don't care what you say.
01:26:51
You don't know nothing about me. You don't know nothing about my
01:26:54
pack. I'm going to find my friends.
01:26:56
I'm going to save them. So he ends up leaving and then
01:27:02
Hopper follows him and Hopper is showing him images from the
01:27:08
town. Like he takes him back to the
01:27:10
edge of the town and and parent is like, dude, I already said
01:27:15
I'm not going over there. And he shows him an image of
01:27:18
Uno. Like they literally put Uno's
01:27:20
body in a cage and left him hanging in the air.
01:27:24
And parent is pissed. He's like, they didn't even give
01:27:27
him a proper burial. Because remember, that's
01:27:29
important for them. Even for the people who, you
01:27:32
know, were dark friends that they fought found a couple of
01:27:35
episodes ago, they still gave them a proper burial.
01:27:38
So parents like, OK, I guess I got to go across the street and
01:27:41
find him and, you know, bury him.
01:27:45
And then he comes across this girl that's also in a cage.
01:27:47
She's being kept held captive. And there's a guy who comes from
01:27:53
the village and he tells parent he was like, yo, you don't want
01:27:57
to let her out of her cage. Like, that's a, she's a beast.
01:28:00
She's already killed several men.
01:28:02
She's maimed a few others. Just leave her alone.
01:28:04
Like, I'm being nice by giving her water.
01:28:07
But he also throws the water to her.
01:28:09
He's like, yeah, the last person who got close to her, she broke
01:28:11
his arm. So no.
01:28:13
He says she killed. Did he say she killed several
01:28:16
people? I.
01:28:16
Think I think he did I. Don't.
01:28:18
I don't. Yeah, I think he did because
01:28:22
that's the reason why she was in the cage.
01:28:25
And and that's also the reason why he was telling Perry.
01:28:28
He was like, look, he was like, as far as that girl goes, leave
01:28:32
her alone. Like you can't help her now.
01:28:34
That was basically saying she whatever she has done, she will
01:28:37
be, she will be put to death for it.
01:28:40
That was what that implication was like.
01:28:42
She's made her bed now she's got a lie in it.
01:28:45
But The thing is, Perry doesn't know who this guy is because
01:28:48
when he comes out, he's he's got a coat on.
01:28:52
He's very nice to him. He's like, hey, OK, so are you a
01:28:55
traveller? You know, this this town got
01:28:57
captured by some invaders a few days ago, but we chased them off
01:29:02
or, you know, or they're gone. He was like, hey, let's, let's
01:29:06
get you something to eat. You can get a room for the
01:29:08
knife, and then you can be on your way.
01:29:10
So parents like, OK, they go to the end and then parent realizes
01:29:15
there are white cloaks walking around the town.
01:29:18
And when the guy turns around to speak to the innkeeper, he sees
01:29:22
a little bit of the white cloak up under his coat.
01:29:24
So he walks in with the innkeeper.
01:29:26
He asked me, he was like, hey, what happened to the lady that
01:29:28
was here? And he says she followed the
01:29:31
caravan that had her daughter, her granddaughter.
01:29:34
And parent was like, So what happened to the shanchen?
01:29:37
He was like, yeah, he was like the white coats came in a few
01:29:41
days after that and pushed them out.
01:29:42
So I was like, minute the shock chain came with all of those
01:29:47
soldiers came with the boats and they let the white coats push
01:29:51
them out. But I think they were probably
01:29:53
already on their way out. And then at the same time, like
01:29:56
they said at the beginning, the High Lord, he was like, we can't
01:30:01
hold it. And I guess he was right because
01:30:03
the white coats came right on in and pushed them out.
01:30:06
So they. Joke either, so it's like.
01:30:10
No, but they also, I don't think had the number that the Sean
01:30:14
Chen had. I just, I don't think, but I
01:30:18
mean they could have. Right cloaks are really, really,
01:30:21
really good. Fighters, apparently not from
01:30:25
what I because. One of them.
01:30:26
One of them is Swordmaster. There's there's levels.
01:30:29
Yeah, there's. Levels to this shit.
01:30:31
There's levels to this, yeah. You know, the IE, the IE or no
01:30:36
joke. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah,
01:30:38
there's levels to this shit and then there's IE, but OK.
01:30:42
But yeah, but anyway. The IE war wasn't even all of
01:30:46
the IE, it was just a few clans. OK they literally lost like 5
01:30:51
people and just cut their way through whole armies their way.
01:30:56
I believe it. I believe it because parent is
01:31:00
inside the end he hears Childvalda talking to the guy
01:31:05
that helped him and Childvalda of course he's been his usual
01:31:10
asshole condescending self talking to the guy because the
01:31:14
he basically was like I told you to kill her, I told you not to
01:31:17
help her and the dude was like she's gay she's not going to do
01:31:21
anything as long as we don't get close to her.
01:31:23
I mean he literally keeps saying just don't get me her and you'll
01:31:26
be fine. We'll be fine.
01:31:29
So Perrin goes to sleep. And then when he wakes up, he's
01:31:32
sneak. He's getting ready to sneak out
01:31:33
of the village. And then he goes past her cage
01:31:38
and he turns back for her. And he tried.
01:31:41
He lets her out. And she was like, so when what
01:31:45
did she call him? A wetlander?
01:31:47
Wetlander 1 wetlander puts me in the cage.
01:31:49
Another one lets me out. She was like, why are you doing
01:31:52
that? And he looks at her and he says,
01:31:54
because people don't belong in cages.
01:31:56
And I guess that was the right thing for him to say because she
01:31:59
was like, OK, cool. They're getting ready to leave.
01:32:01
And here come the white cloak surrounding them.
01:32:04
And the dude who had helped them earlier, He tells parents.
01:32:07
He was like, I told you not to get near her, not to, not to
01:32:11
help her. But now, OK, we don't have to
01:32:14
fight you, too. But he tells his men, he said,
01:32:17
when I give the signal, attack all at once, because if, if you
01:32:22
fight her one by one, she will take you down.
01:32:25
I was like, OK, it's one thing hearing this.
01:32:29
Then when Parent gets ready to step in front of her to protect
01:32:33
her and she laughs, I said, oh, this is about to get
01:32:37
interesting, 'cause all she had to do was that laugh.
01:32:41
Parent just looked at her like oh it's almost like he got it
01:32:46
immediately you laugh. Oh, I guess I OK my bad.
01:32:50
Let me step on back and. I would have gone AWOL from from
01:32:53
the people. Like I'm like, Nah, I'm in the
01:32:55
dark, I'm gone. Well, like like Anthony just
01:32:58
said, they are good fighters, so maybe they thought that all
01:33:02
together they could take her. But they didn't fight all
01:33:06
together. They didn't.
01:33:08
They they started when they. Started I I had the same thought
01:33:13
the first time I watched this episode.
01:33:15
When he said that, I said like, that's gonna make a difference.
01:33:20
But then they start attacking her individually and it's like,
01:33:24
what did he just say? Like all together means all
01:33:26
together. It doesn't mean you, then you,
01:33:28
then you. It means all y'all.
01:33:31
And you know, like I like quoting wise man.
01:33:34
A wise man once said everybody has a plan until they get
01:33:38
punched. They get punched in the mouth.
01:33:39
Exactly. Basically, yeah.
01:33:41
Yeah, but I remember when when she stepped out, like I said,
01:33:46
she did that laugh and she says paranoid Bara, do you like to
01:33:50
dance? And she pulled that thing up
01:33:53
over her mouth. And I remember Anthony saying
01:33:56
for an IL man, if they pull their thing over their mouth,
01:34:00
run. He was like, ain't no joke.
01:34:04
I was thinking right. You know what I thought I was
01:34:08
thinking I was thinking. This made me think of think of
01:34:11
Kingsman when Leslow was like manners making man like I was
01:34:19
like oh y'all got I was like. She pulled that thing over her
01:34:23
mouth. I was like, because even even
01:34:26
when the fighting started, Karen was just sitting there looking
01:34:30
like, wow. And then of course, they started
01:34:33
coming after him. And then you see him fully
01:34:36
unleashed. He picked up a weapon and the
01:34:38
two of them, it was just like it was, it was beautiful.
01:34:44
I can't say anything. It was beautiful.
01:34:46
Like I said, I'm looking at her and the moves that she's doing
01:34:49
and I was like, she and Natasha would get along so well.
01:34:54
So, so I will say I, I, I did scan and go back.
01:34:58
No, he didn't say anything about her killing anyone.
01:35:01
Oh, OK. So if you notice her and and
01:35:04
parent, they didn't kill anyone, they just maimed maimed them and
01:35:08
broke arms, you know, legs and. Stuff.
01:35:11
Oh, yeah, because she was about to kill that other guy and
01:35:14
parent made her stop because what did what did he say?
01:35:19
He gave you water? Because when when parents set
01:35:23
her free, she said something to him about my my wife is yours.
01:35:29
OK? So what does that mean?
01:35:31
That basically means like I owe you a debt, something like that.
01:35:35
Like that? Yeah, OK.
01:35:36
Because in in the IU, in the waist, water is very precious.
01:35:40
Cause it's basically a barren desert.
01:35:42
It's a wasteland. Oh, OK.
01:35:45
OK, so other than other than Rand and his parents, this is
01:35:48
the first, this is the only only other item that we've met
01:35:52
Mother. Yeah.
01:35:53
I thought his father was a type of IO.
01:35:56
Who Tam? No, no.
01:35:57
None. Of his his real father.
01:35:59
Oh, OK, But yeah. But we haven't met his real
01:36:01
father. Yeah.
01:36:03
OK. So there were.
01:36:05
Those are the only IO that we've met so far.
01:36:07
And the one that was strung up in what's right, right, right.
01:36:11
'Cause that time Maryland was the one that said, oh, when you
01:36:15
see their veil, they have the If you see a Veil album and that's
01:36:20
when you need to worry. Right, right.
01:36:24
So they they defeat the white cloaks and then they leave.
01:36:30
And, you know, during this whole conversation or when when Parent
01:36:37
was talking to the innkeeper, when the innkeeper was showing
01:36:39
him his room and he was telling about the old innkeeper
01:36:43
following her granddaughter, Parent was like, do you know
01:36:45
where they're going? And I think he told Parent that
01:36:49
they were going to fall. The parents, like, fall.
01:36:52
OK. So when he and Ivienda are kind
01:36:57
of recouping from the fight, trying to figure out what
01:36:59
they're going to do next, he basically tells her that's where
01:37:02
we're going to go, 'cause he was like, you don't have to come
01:37:03
with me. And she was like, yeah, you
01:37:05
saved my life. My water is your water.
01:37:08
And he's looking at her like, she was like, no, I don't mean,
01:37:11
I don't mean sex. She was like, but I wouldn't be
01:37:14
opposed to it. I was like, say.
01:37:17
Hey. That's too funny.
01:37:18
Parents are sitting there like and she starts laughing at him
01:37:23
because of his reaction. Cause parent is probably sitting
01:37:25
there like, I ain't had none since my wife died.
01:37:28
I don't know how to do this. I don't remember how to flirt.
01:37:31
But so yeah, apparently they're going to farm because this is
01:37:35
where parent knows the shine errands have been taken and he's
01:37:39
gonna go. Speaking of that, that was
01:37:43
something I wanted to mention when we talked about the
01:37:45
beginning of the episode. So the fact that they have
01:37:49
Ingtar and Loyale coming up behind Ishmael and Lady Surrath
01:37:57
and they got on these nice. I was like, y'all quite look
01:38:00
like prisoners here. Y'all actually could look kind
01:38:04
of nice. I was like, what do they have in
01:38:06
store? They kind of they kind of look
01:38:07
like fancy servants to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess they
01:38:12
could. Yeah, they do.
01:38:12
They treat them well. That's a loaded statement.
01:38:17
But. Anyway, it is especially
01:38:21
consider, OK, yeah, 'cause this is something that I do remember
01:38:27
about us discussing Season 2. I know I'm gonna have a lot to
01:38:31
say in the next couple of episodes about the fact that you
01:38:35
got all these brown people now in in in positions of slavery,
01:38:41
especially because we see them caller Inguane at the end of
01:38:45
this episode. Like, yeah, man, yeah.
01:38:49
I. I had, I had, I had a little bit
01:38:51
of a visceral reaction to that. Like I was just like.
01:38:54
Yeah. That was harsh.
01:38:56
I was like mother. I was like, no.
01:38:59
Man, it kind of felt the way it did when they put my Sunday and
01:39:03
Back in chains on Game of Thrones.
01:39:06
I was like, Oh yeah, OK, we're going to be on our soapbox for
01:39:10
the next couple episodes probably.
01:39:13
Oh man, that was that one got me.
01:39:15
I was like mother fucker. Like you can't do her like that.
01:39:18
Like, yeah, but on the on the flip side, yes, E Gwaine has
01:39:25
been collared and she's now going to be made a a Damani.
01:39:31
But on the flip side, Elaine and I need have snuck into foam.
01:39:39
They get knocked out, and when they wake up, they're in the
01:39:42
House of a yellow Asha and her water.
01:39:46
And the yellow Asha is basically like, y'all don't know how to
01:39:50
sneak around, y'all don't know how to be quiet.
01:39:52
Like my water found y'all and they got people looking for
01:39:55
y'all. Y'all would have been.
01:39:56
I was just like, yeah. Her water found and knocked them
01:40:00
the fuck out. I was like.
01:40:03
What? About why he found them and
01:40:06
knocked them the fuck out. OK, talk about Naneeve and her
01:40:12
not wanting to listen to somebody ask when somebody is
01:40:15
trying to tell her. Look, you are, you're you're
01:40:18
you're you're bringing too much attention to us.
01:40:20
Don't make any sudden moves. Don't talk too loud.
01:40:23
Stop doing this. Stop trying to sneak.
01:40:25
You don't even know where you are.
01:40:28
I understand your friend has been captured.
01:40:31
You don't even know where she is right now.
01:40:34
You don't even know how you got all the way across the on the
01:40:39
other side of the world. So why are you being hard headed
01:40:44
and being like I'm not doing anything you tell me to do.
01:40:46
I'm not about to, I'm not about to follow what you saying
01:40:48
Princess. Now your ass and got knocked out
01:40:52
and I was just Anthony. Please tell me it's going to get
01:40:56
better with her 'cause right now I'm about to throttle her.
01:41:00
I'm about to throttle her. Maybe it'll change, no?
01:41:07
I hope so 'cause. That that, that doesn't sound
01:41:10
all that positive, Anthony. I don't know.
01:41:13
Like I said, she's going to do some amazing things.
01:41:17
She need to hurry up and do that shit 'cause right now you are a
01:41:20
liability you couldn't channel to get you and your friends out.
01:41:23
Now one of your friends has been collared and is being made a
01:41:26
slave while you're sitting here getting you and your and and the
01:41:31
other person captured because you don't want to follow
01:41:35
nobody's advice. Like I'm ready to beat her up.
01:41:42
I really am like, dude, dude, you don't know nothing about
01:41:48
this town. You don't know nothing about who
01:41:51
you where you are. And granted, yes, I understand
01:41:55
you don't know who Elaine is. Really you don't want to be
01:41:59
there with her. But she is the level headed one
01:42:05
of the group right now. Because yes, even though Iguana
01:42:08
is her friend, she's not as emotionally attached to you,
01:42:14
Gwen, as you are. You are going off pure emotion
01:42:16
right now. You are panicking, you are
01:42:19
scared, and you are, I don't know, maybe even just a little
01:42:23
bit angry that your friend is not there.
01:42:26
But you are also not thinking clearly, and you very definitely
01:42:30
are not acting rationally. To me, first.
01:42:34
She's gone through a lot though, like in the last.
01:42:36
No, hold up, hold up, because you're not gonna sit here and
01:42:40
give that excuse for her and then be like, I can't stand ran
01:42:44
that motherfucker, I hate him, blah, blah, blah.
01:42:45
You cannot do that. You can't give leeway for one
01:42:49
and not give away for the other. Yeah, I can't.
01:42:52
I'm grown. OK, fine.
01:42:56
Yeah, I'll give, I'll give, I'll give Rand about 1.25 inches of
01:43:00
leeway, especially I'll, I'll get, I'll even bump it up to 1.5
01:43:07
because of him going with him going against the against Freda
01:43:13
Krueger over there and trying, trying to get out of that.
01:43:16
That's more interesting than he gave Wayne.
01:43:19
You know what? I hate y'all so much.
01:43:27
I hate y'all so much. And how would you know?
01:43:29
How would you know? Oh my God.
01:43:33
He gave us something. She look, he'd been dead for six
01:43:36
months. As far as she knows, she ain't
01:43:38
even tried to move on. So let's not even go then.
01:43:44
Let's. Not he gave land fear plenty
01:43:46
more. You know what?
01:43:51
OK, but I just I mean, I'm trying to, but this is I, I was
01:44:01
mad that they that they didn't do a better job of sticking
01:44:04
together. I noticed to to help with the
01:44:07
story they had the one of them had to get captured.
01:44:09
I understand that. I understand like, you know,
01:44:12
that they had to have a reason to go back and do whatever they
01:44:15
needed to do. Fine, but it just made me mad
01:44:18
that they kept running and didn't look and make sure that
01:44:22
everybody was together and that Dwayne had fallen and had fallen
01:44:27
behind like. That's why.
01:44:31
That's why, that's why Naive is so upset with herself.
01:44:34
That's why she's so angry because she didn't look back to
01:44:38
see if he, Gwen was safe, because her whole purpose was to
01:44:42
protect them. And she failed again.
01:44:48
Again she fails. And it was, and I don't want to
01:44:52
use the words selfish, but she was concerned for herself at the
01:44:57
at the moment trying to get away.
01:44:59
I mean, I think I and I don't even want to say I don't even
01:45:02
want to go. That far, the fight or flight?
01:45:04
Yeah, I think she was just panicking.
01:45:07
They were all panicking. So, and she probably, yeah, she
01:45:12
probably was panicking even more because of the fact that she
01:45:16
couldn't channel. She was probably just like, OK,
01:45:18
I can't defend us if, if something happens.
01:45:21
So we need to run. And you know, they were all
01:45:24
keeping up at first because I think a Gwaine was kind of like
01:45:27
in there. But I think also too, they had
01:45:30
to do it with a Gwaine because one, as we said, naive, she
01:45:34
can't channel right now. And so if she had been the one
01:45:39
captured, you know, when they when they brought a Gwaine in
01:45:43
front of the the High Lord, they were like, yeah, she's a, she's
01:45:47
a very powerful channeler. Like we saw it.
01:45:51
That made more sense because if they had brought naive, naive at
01:45:56
that point probably would have been more scared than mad.
01:45:58
If we're going by the way Anthony described it earlier,
01:46:02
she would have been more scared. So they would have been like,
01:46:04
yeah, we can tell she can channel, but she didn't do
01:46:08
anything that probably would not really help her situation.
01:46:12
They'll probably be like, well, she can't channel, just kill
01:46:14
her. We don't need her.
01:46:16
They look at. Blood they they have people that
01:46:18
can see that she is a channeler and as soon.
01:46:22
As they but if she but if she can't channel.
01:46:24
As soon as soon as they put the collar on her, she is channeled.
01:46:29
Well, of course, but I, I, but of course, before they put the
01:46:32
collar on East Gwang, I didn't know what they were going to do
01:46:35
with her, how that was going to how that was going to go.
01:46:38
So I'm just saying alternatively, if they had done
01:46:42
that with Naive without knowing that they were going to call
01:46:44
her, it's just like, OK, she couldn't even channel to save
01:46:48
herself, So what do we need her for?
01:46:50
It wouldn't you know, it could have gone like that, Elaine.
01:46:54
It wouldn't have made sense for them to take her, at least for
01:46:57
the story, because again, Nyneve doesn't really know Elaine.
01:47:02
I mean, she probably would have been like, yeah, we need to go
01:47:04
back and save her. But as long as Dwayne was fine,
01:47:07
she probably would have been like, Nah, let's get the fuck
01:47:08
out of here. She whatever, It could have gone
01:47:11
that way. I'm not saying that it would.
01:47:12
I'm not saying that Nyneve would purposefully leave somebody
01:47:16
behind, especially somebody who, well, I I don't think she would
01:47:21
do that with Elaine simply because Elaine was there for
01:47:26
Egwane in a way that Naive wasn't.
01:47:30
And I think, yeah, as jealous as Naive is about that fact, I
01:47:34
think she also appreciates that because she knows that,
01:47:37
especially with everything she went through in the Arches,
01:47:39
she's not being the friend to Egwane that she should be.
01:47:46
So yeah, but. There's reasons why these people
01:47:51
end up, you know, a writer put sees people where they're where
01:47:54
he really wants them to be for reasons.
01:47:57
Yeah. And this is something probably
01:47:59
Nan Eve needs. Not Nan Eve.
01:48:01
Yeah, Gwen needs. Cause well.
01:48:05
Yeah, because one they keep, they keep talking about how
01:48:08
powerful her and Nan Eve are, but other than Nan Eve, we don't
01:48:13
really see Gwen's power. Not.
01:48:16
Not too much except for that when she was trying to get her
01:48:19
out of the arches. So yeah.
01:48:22
So yeah, this is probably where we're going to see E Gwaine,
01:48:27
hopefully breakthrough of what they what they have her in now.
01:48:32
Because like I said, they got a collar on her.
01:48:34
So she's basically their slave. They're probably going to try to
01:48:37
make her do some stuff that she can't do.
01:48:40
And we don't know whether or not that's something that because
01:48:43
she has the collar, they're automatically going to be able
01:48:46
to make her channel or if that's something that she's going to
01:48:48
have to fight. We don't know how that works
01:48:51
yet. So I mean, what, what did Lady
01:48:55
Sarah say? She said they're demonic trained
01:48:57
for years in order to show that they deserve to use the power,
01:49:04
that they were worthy enough to use the power.
01:49:06
That's that's deceptive as fuck. Oh, but look, I know, I know.
01:49:10
That's the problem. Trained for years.
01:49:12
Really trained for years. Like threatening to have their
01:49:16
tongues ripped out. I'm sorry, all the things that
01:49:19
you do to a slave to make them do what you want them to do is
01:49:23
not really training. Yeah, you know.
01:49:26
To prove that and. And we don't even know yet what
01:49:28
they do to to the Damani. So yeah.
01:49:32
Really. Yeah.
01:49:33
OK. So I know that's.
01:49:35
My soapbox I'm painting my. Soapbox, I'm getting ready.
01:49:39
I I told you, probably the next what, one?
01:49:42
Maybe 2 episodes. Right.
01:49:44
Paint that bad boy red, black and green.
01:49:47
Yeah, we, we gonna be on it. So, yeah.
01:49:50
But like you said, maybe this will give E Gwaine the push that
01:49:53
she needs so that she can say, OK, let me go ahead and be as
01:49:56
powerful as I can be so nobody will ever be able to do this
01:50:00
shit to me again. And maybe maybe that's what
01:50:02
Naive needs too. Maybe she needs to see, she
01:50:05
needs to see something like that.
01:50:07
For it to be she, she needs to be in her Incredible Hulk era
01:50:11
where she's like, the secret is I'm angry all the time.
01:50:14
That's where Naive needs to get. She needs to get to the point if
01:50:18
if her channeling only comes in instances where she is angry,
01:50:25
then she needs to get to that point where it's always there,
01:50:28
simmering on the surface, but she can control her.
01:50:31
She needs to become her Bruce Banner.
01:50:34
Sorry, seems like she mad all the time anyway.
01:50:37
But not not mad enough to to do what she needs to do.
01:50:40
Yeah, because if that was the case it Gwen would not be where
01:50:44
she is right now. True that.
01:50:47
But that's OK, because let Iguan get mad, let Naive get mad, and
01:50:52
then you got all these other people on their way to farm.
01:50:55
You have Matt on his way to farm, which again, we haven't
01:51:00
seen Matt do anything. But that also tells me that Matt
01:51:04
is probably going to do something big when he gets to
01:51:06
farm. He's coming to farm.
01:51:08
Karen is coming to farm. The Shinarans are in farm.
01:51:12
Loyale is in farm, it's only a matter of time before Rand and
01:51:17
Lorraine what make their way there as well.
01:51:21
OK, that just means that the Sean Chan have a huge ass
01:51:25
whooping coming up by episode 8 and I'm ready for it.
01:51:29
I'm ready for it because you've only been on the screen for a
01:51:34
few minutes in the last two episodes and I want y'all dead
01:51:39
now. Let's go, let's fucking go.
01:51:45
So anyway, do we have anything else?
01:51:48
I do before, before Mike gets a shout out, so we get a little
01:51:52
bit of a peek into Land Fear's motivations.
01:51:56
Because when Marina is trying to convince Ram to go to sleep,
01:52:04
she's like, you know what? I don't think Land Fear is going
01:52:07
to kill you because she she wants something from you.
01:52:11
He tells her, she tells him the story that you know, in the Age
01:52:15
of Legends, that's what it's called, that Linfrey was in love
01:52:19
with Louis Theron. She was in love with him and he
01:52:26
left her and married his wife and she swore the three oaths or
01:52:32
the oaths to the Dark 1 so she could get him back.
01:52:36
So her motivation for being a dark friend and swinging to the
01:52:40
dark 1 is really about getting back her the love of her life.
01:52:46
So I think this kind of leaves open that she not necessarily is
01:52:52
a bad person, not necessarily evil.
01:52:56
She really just wants her lover back.
01:52:58
She she wants the love of her life back.
01:53:03
Now, we all know that whenever someone seeks power as a way of
01:53:11
getting back their lost love, that never goes well.
01:53:16
It doesn't. At all.
01:53:17
I didn't say it was going to go well.
01:53:18
I'm just saying it's not like she wants to torture people.
01:53:22
It's not like she wants to bathe in the blood of the innocent
01:53:26
people so she can stay young forever.
01:53:29
But she's also unnecessarily cruel.
01:53:32
She is so. That's because you know what?
01:53:35
What does immortality do to people you know?
01:53:39
It strips away their humanity. Humanity.
01:53:41
But at at her core, though, for her, it's all about love.
01:53:45
It really it. It truly is.
01:53:48
OK. While we're on that subject and
01:53:50
why you brought Lose up, here's another question I have because
01:53:55
I think Ishmael has said at one point that the blood of Louis
01:54:02
Theron runs in his veins like he is him.
01:54:06
But hasn't it also like when Ran went to the Eye of the World,
01:54:11
didn't he also have visions of himself as Louis Theron?
01:54:16
So my question is, can that person be reborn in two separate
01:54:21
people? I don't think that's what it's I
01:54:25
may have meant. OK, OK, I'll tell.
01:54:32
I'm looking at the look on your face and that's probably
01:54:35
spoilery, so I'm not going to dig it into that deeper.
01:54:38
I was just wondering because I've heard them both say that,
01:54:42
you know, both reference him. And also remember, Ishamael is
01:54:47
also the father of lies. Yes, OK, OK, alright, I'll let
01:54:56
I'll let that alone. Mike.
01:54:57
What? What shout out you got?
01:55:00
Shout out shout of all the looking like fresh kid eyes from
01:55:03
2 live crew. That made me so happy.
01:55:09
That was like he still fucked up.
01:55:11
He like like parent fucked his shit up.
01:55:14
I was like cool, that works. Oh you you saw him get scared
01:55:18
when that dog was coming out the end and old wolf was like don't
01:55:21
worry, there are no wolves here he.
01:55:23
He got canine PTSD that. Means everybody knows about the
01:55:29
wolves. All the truth of the light.
01:55:31
Nobody, but I mean, they were all surrounded by the wolves and
01:55:36
when he got attacked, like I don't understand, and Gwen
01:55:39
stabbed him in the neck and then the wolves came after him.
01:55:43
Why is this motherfucker not dead?
01:55:46
Is he a dark friend too? Like does he have unusual powers
01:55:51
at his side to help him know 'cause he's too much about the
01:55:54
light, the light, the light, I'm the child of the light, blah,
01:55:57
blah, blah. But still, why is this
01:55:59
motherfucker not dead? That's, that was my question,
01:56:02
'cause when I heard his voice, like his voice is like
01:56:07
fingernails going down a chalkboard, I was, I was just
01:56:12
like his name dead. There's little.
01:56:17
Guess, guess, guess is gonna have to eat his baby birds with
01:56:20
his left hand now. Rose.
01:56:27
I have a quest, so shout out to Dane from the Children of Light
01:56:35
reminding me of Nikolai from Shadow and Bone.
01:56:40
I was like, I mean, 'cause he OK, I, I, I mean a little bit
01:56:46
like in looks and kind of in actions, but I mean, I just, you
01:56:51
kind of reminded me of him. I'm like, I don't think there's
01:56:54
a chance that he's like did not. It seems.
01:56:59
It seems like he. Doesn't seem like he's bad, like
01:57:01
like child bother like he actually seems.
01:57:04
Like bother. Yeah, yeah, like ball.
01:57:07
Like ball. The level.
01:57:08
Like really like a bad son of a bitch.
01:57:11
Yeah, no, he, he like, he seems to have a little more
01:57:16
compassion, a little more empathy, because he wasn't nasty
01:57:22
or anything to Avienda. He gave her water even though
01:57:27
she had, you know, hurt some of his soldiers and he was warning
01:57:32
Perrin to stay away from her. So it's not like he was just
01:57:35
like being an ass. I mean, she did whatever she did
01:57:39
to be captured. And he was just trying to make
01:57:42
sure that, you know, she was a prisoner.
01:57:45
She was going to, you know, I guess pay for whatever it was
01:57:48
she did. But he wasn't overly cruel to
01:57:51
her. Like a lot of these people we
01:57:53
see like child Valda is just like he is.
01:57:56
I would say he's probably worse than the forsaken at this point
01:58:01
cause at least the forsaken we know there's a reason for them
01:58:04
to be evil. Like they serve an evil master
01:58:07
child. Valda is supposed to be a child
01:58:09
of the light but you just evil. He's like the Dolores Umbridge
01:58:13
of this show. Like you just evil for no
01:58:17
reason. Right.
01:58:19
So yeah, the Dane wasn't, he wasn't all that bad.
01:58:22
And then of course, child Valda doesn't like him because I guess
01:58:27
Dane comes from royalty or, you know, his dad is some somebody
01:58:33
in you saw. His father season 1.
01:58:38
First season, yes, you're right, that was his father.
01:58:41
OK, so now I do have to go back and watch.
01:58:43
The Cat captain, he's the captain.
01:58:46
Yes, like, yeah, you're right. When they.
01:58:49
Oh, was that when they stopped? Yeah.
01:58:50
When they. Stopped the first time, yeah.
01:58:54
Oh. Really.
01:58:55
Yeah. Yeah, that puts a whole
01:58:58
different spin on everything now.
01:58:59
Like interesting. Yeah.
01:59:02
OK, yeah, that's why he called him he he basically called him a
01:59:05
nepo baby. Yes he did.
01:59:08
He did and said it was such disdain too.
01:59:12
Like whatever. I mean he kinda is like.
01:59:16
But I always thought Balda's Balda because the the goal of
01:59:21
the Children of the Light isn't necessarily a bad thing.
01:59:24
It's it's actually a very honourable thing that they want
01:59:27
to do. It's just that he shows that
01:59:32
just like any other organization, there are bad
01:59:34
people in it. This even even in their goal to
01:59:40
accomplish what they want to, he has taken it to such an extreme
01:59:44
where he's willing to slaughter eyes to die.
01:59:47
Right. And collect and collect their
01:59:51
rings and and trophies. It's just a.
01:59:54
Versus someone who might just, you know, like Barnhol's father
01:59:59
who would just give them a wide berth and not go anywhere in
02:00:02
there, you know, the wide tower. Just kind of stay away from the
02:00:05
eyes to die as opposed to hunting him down.
02:00:08
Right, right. He's, he's very much a you mind
02:00:12
your business. I'm a mine mine.
02:00:14
Yeah, OK. Yeah, shout out to highlights
02:00:21
Roth in a room pouting was the funniest shit I've ever seen.
02:00:24
It was this is funniest fuck to me.
02:00:26
I understand. Like, she got that.
02:00:27
She kind of got high highlights. Roth.
02:00:31
Oh, OK. Like in a room pouting.
02:00:33
I was like, like, just get your shit together.
02:00:36
Hurry up. Yeah, yeah, you got you got shit
02:00:38
to do. Yeah, some tells me she's not
02:00:41
gonna be at the bottom of the totem pole for long, because if
02:00:45
she's already talking about overthrowing the High Lord and
02:00:49
taking over, I'm like, yeah, I smell a mutiny coming on very
02:00:54
soon. Yeah, of course, of course They
02:00:56
go try to try to take over the brother.
02:00:57
Where's where's Doctor Omar when you need him, David?
02:01:00
Well, the way, well, you know, the way the blood works in Sean
02:01:04
Chan, if you have the royal blood, they're all, they're
02:01:07
related. So he just happens to be closer.
02:01:15
It's hard to explain, but I don't want to say the more blood
02:01:19
that you have, the higher up you are.
02:01:23
So like the closer, the closer you are to it, it's the same.
02:01:27
The the more. The higher the percentage on
02:01:30
your ancestry DNA tests. Yeah.
02:01:33
OK. OK.
02:01:37
So, yeah. But still I, yeah, I don't I
02:01:40
don't see that. I don't see him being in charge
02:01:42
very long, especially not if she has Ishmael there with her.
02:01:47
Yeah. I just, I don't see it.
02:01:50
Hey Anthony, what is the yellow isodized like specialty?
02:01:56
They're healers. Those are the healers, OK?
02:02:01
Those are the healers cause those are the ones that they
02:02:04
took. Matt to.
02:02:07
Parent and Guane to after they escaped from child Balda.
02:02:11
OK, yeah, couldn't remember what what her purpose was.
02:02:14
And I was like, I mean, 'cause they're outside, outside of the
02:02:17
tower. So I'm just like.
02:02:20
I mean, there are a lot of glasses I out wandering around,
02:02:23
yeah, different objects, but most of the yellow because they
02:02:25
heal they they go around healing people.
02:02:29
Yeah, 'cause I was, I was thinking maybe this is what
02:02:31
Nanny is going to become. Like she could.
02:02:33
I mean, that would take her out of the tower where she ain't got
02:02:35
to be around all them fake motherfuckers and she could do
02:02:38
what she really wants to do is heal people.
02:02:40
Like that was one of the big things in.
02:02:42
Her thing most of the odds, except, well, most of the odds,
02:02:46
is sin. They can heal, just not to that.
02:02:51
Extent, but they do sin, they do all go out, all kind of go out
02:02:55
like there's some bits in the tower, but their eyes are down
02:02:57
all around. That's how Valdo was able to get
02:03:01
his hand on, what, 13? On so many, yeah.
02:03:04
From different odds. Yep, Yep.
02:03:11
Alright, but that's a, that's a good theory there, Sir.
02:03:14
Good theory, yeah. Full of them, just like I'm full
02:03:18
of everything else. Yeah, I have.
02:03:22
Any final thoughts on this episode?
02:03:24
I'm glad that these episodes are going past quickly now.
02:03:29
Like they're not like the first one that dragged on and on like
02:03:35
either either like the actions getting better or the way that
02:03:38
they're like editing it is better where where everything
02:03:41
flows better where there's not like a lot of a big gap where
02:03:45
you like sitting then actually something happens, then you're
02:03:49
sitting again. Yeah, it's a lot going on now,
02:03:52
but I mean, like we said it now where this is episode 5, there
02:03:57
are only three episodes left in this season.
02:04:00
They have to start moving it along a little bit more 'cause
02:04:04
other than that, you just don't want the whole season to drag.
02:04:08
So yeah, the episodes are definitely picking up.
02:04:10
There's definitely a lot more happening.
02:04:13
And then also, I think because we are getting closer to all of
02:04:17
the people being in the same area again, I think that's also
02:04:21
kind of making the story better. Because like I said, when
02:04:24
they're all separated and they're all doing their own
02:04:28
thing, to me that's when the story seems to fall flat a
02:04:31
little bit. Because the whole, the whole
02:04:35
story started with all of them together.
02:04:38
And I think that's when the story is better, when you have
02:04:41
all of them together, so. I, I will say this, you know,
02:04:46
even though the first season, you know, he said.
02:04:49
How the showrunner said like 85% of it was completely made-up.
02:04:56
It's getting much better for me, but only because a lot of the
02:05:01
events that have happened, especially in this episode where
02:05:04
things like right out of the book, there are even some lines
02:05:10
of dialogue that are lifted right out of the book.
02:05:13
So. I think this season was, is, is
02:05:16
it seems like they're pushing more towards things that are in
02:05:20
the book as opposed to last season where you're like,
02:05:24
where's all this coming from? You know, So it seems like maybe
02:05:28
there was a change or maybe this was your plan all along was to
02:05:33
to kind of bring everything back in line to the book.
02:05:36
Yeah. So, yeah, OK.
02:05:40
All right. Well, three more episodes for
02:05:43
Season 2 and then we will go right on into Season 3, which
02:05:47
actually premiered today. I have not seen the first, I
02:05:50
think the first 3 episodes. Is it today?
02:05:53
All it is today. I thought it was tomorrow.
02:05:56
Nope, came out at me 3:00 AM this morning.
02:06:00
So yeah, I didn't even see him. Yeah, but we're going to wait.
02:06:04
Well, at least I'm going to wait, I think because Mike has
02:06:08
still not seen all of season 2 and like I said, I have pretty
02:06:13
much forgotten most of season 2. So I'm watching the episodes as
02:06:17
we get ready to record them. So maybe in a few days I'll be
02:06:22
ready to start on season 3. But like I said, we got 3
02:06:26
episodes for Season 2 and then we're going to go right into the
02:06:28
Season 3 discussion and keep it going.
02:06:31
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02:06:35
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