#thewheeloftime Nynaeve remains estranged from Egwene as she mourns her losses. Elaine give Egwene some advice on how to help her friend. Min finds herself in a difficult position when she realizes exactly who she is helping with regard to Mat. Nynaeve makes a rash decision when she finds out that Perrin and Loyial are in trouble. Lan ponders his future as Alanna, Maksim, and Ihvon offer advice. The extent of Moraine's machinations are revealed when she visits a familiar face for information. Rand finds himself in more danger than he bargained for when he and Selene leave the Foregate.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing season 2, episode 4
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of the Wheel of Time series. And you know what?
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We don't let you pick wherever we want to start with this
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episode. We all called Serena being bad.
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Like we knew it. Like there was no there was.
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I mean, that was just so obvious.
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But the way she did it, I was like, oh, that's what she's a
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problem. Like she is a big problem for
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Ran and Moraine and anyone else, anyone else that comes in
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contact with her, basically she's she's she's a problem.
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Yep. I was just like, it's just like
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we kind of figured it when she said I'm not afraid and let him
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channel when they were doing it. And I was just like, you never
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having sex. I was just like, really?
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I just want we we'll circle back to Mike in about 30 seconds.
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I just want to say, can I get some of that you'll being read?
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Because I swear that must be some good ass wine.
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Listen Mike, you got some What you drinking on we.
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Got a little guilt, a little bit of guilty in it, a little bit of
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guilty, Guil. I'm just saying, first thing
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Maria asked for, you'll give me a bottle of Gildan Red out of
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it. Logane wants some Gildan Red,
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and if you have to go to the highfalutin, you know, noble
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party to get some Gildan red. What?
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What? Come on now.
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Well, I mean, well, we kind of see that Morena just your
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average girl, like she actually comes from some money, looks
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like, and she has some well, her family, let me say her family
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has some standing in the city. Her sister made that very, very
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clear in this episode. Well, it it the way that her
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sister sounded. It was like we had something.
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Then the uncle screwed it all up.
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We had nothing. Then you abandoned us.
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Her father died, and I'm picking up the pieces.
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And now I finally got us back to where we're supposed to be.
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But you know. She's messed up.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting to find
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out that Lady Anver, who was the the person who was approaching
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Rand in the last episode at the party, that that is Moraine's
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younger sister. Not even just younger sister,
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little sister like in years. Yeah, 'cause they show the
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portrait of her. They're, they're at least, I
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don't know, 20 years apart. I don't know if I would say 20
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years apart because Moraine did still look kind of young, but I
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would say at least 10. At the minimum. 10.
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At the minimum. And the 15, yeah.
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But she looked like a grown woman in her portrait, and her
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sister looked like a kid. No, no, if you look at the
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portrait a a little closely, her face, it's almost like they took
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her face now and it's they, they kind of softened it and they,
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they made it have a little more youthful look because when I
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looked at her, I said, oh, she must have been a teenager then
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because of the way that they painted it.
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But either way it goes, she's very much older.
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But you can't tell it because of the, the power, the one power
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and what it does it slow. You know, they say it slows down
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the aging. So she walks in and her like I
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will say this lady on there didn't skip a beat.
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No, she she just she went with the conversation.
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Moraine comes in. Hello, little sister.
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You look well. You look well too.
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And I was just like, this is a very interesting dynamic with
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these two. The side note is it in?
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It's a pretty cool call back to season 1 when Moraine ran into
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Balda and she was saying that she was a lady from a noble
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house and she wasn't lying. She was not, which, you know, I
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didn't even think about that until now because of the whole,
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hey, she can't lie. But I mean, I just automatically
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assumed that. I mean, if you think about it,
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Tarvalan is also, I mean, you know, the White Tower is also an
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ancient house. So technically speaking, she
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wouldn't have been lying with that either.
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Yeah, she would have been. You think that would have been a
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lie? Oh.
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OK, because she would have had to say that she was not to die
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and and that's not what she wanted to do.
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Yeah, let's just tell the truth. OK.
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But yeah, I just, I just thought it was, it was cool that we can,
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you know, follow circle back to that, you know, all that.
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Yeah, yeah. So I think it's very
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interesting. What we found out in this
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episode with Moraine is that one Moraine has been busy behind the
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scenes, even without her power. Yeah, to quote the great
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philosopher Anderson Park, this bitch is doing all this bullshit
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behind the fuck the shit with low gain got me.
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I was just like, like, OK, she knew he was there.
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OK, fine. She wants him.
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She it really is getting him there to train Rand.
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Yeah, she was going to put him there.
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Yeah, I'm like, bitch, really? Yeah, which also, I guess in a
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way, kind of, I don't necessarily want to say it
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explains why Rand is also in the same city because it's not like
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she told Rand where to go. Maybe she hinted at it during
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one of their last conversations that, you know, we didn't get to
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see. But it kind of sort of makes
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sense that she would have both of these very dangerous people.
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Even though Logane doesn't have the power like you said Anthony,
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he was able to gather millions by his side in an army so that
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still does make 10s. Of thousands.
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Well, yeah, OK, 10s of thousands.
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A lot of people. A lot of people.
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A lot of people. Let's just say a lot of people.
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Big number for the real time. World OK, so a lot of people, a
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lot of people, but he does have that charisma.
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He does have that, you know, that does make him dangerous, as
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you've been saying. So the fact that she has, again,
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we're going to keep using that word, manipulated the situation
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so that both of them are in the same city and oh, it just
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happens to be the town that she's from.
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I was like, OK, I think I have a have a little bit more respect
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for Moraine because up through this point, you kind of, you
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know, she has the skills of the isodies.
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You know, she has the cunning, you know, she has the ability to
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kind of, I don't want to necessarily say twist words, but
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she knows how to, she knows how to get across what she needs to
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without, like you said, crossing that line between truth and lie.
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But the fact that she's been manipulating all of this this
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whole time, I was just like, OK, she found a way to keep Rand
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safe while also keeping an eye on him.
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And she's also, I don't know how she was able to get low gain out
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the tower because he told her. He said, if it were up to your
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sisters, I would be riding in the dungeon in the White Tower.
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So I was like, how did she get there?
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No, they would have been experimenting on his ass.
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That would have been. Yeah, but he yeah, he would have
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been in the dungeon because they're not going to experiment
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him on on him 24/7. He got to have somewhere to lay
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his head for a minute. But I was just like, how did she
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get him out of the tower? Because I think in the last
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episode we were discussing, we were trying to figure out how
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did the gang get there? How did he get there?
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Yeah. Don't remember but I do know she
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was trying to get him away from from the other Ajas.
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Especially the red Aja. Because she knew she needed him
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and and they might have might have killed him.
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She needed him to to teach Ran right.
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But you know, I when we started on this journey of the wheel of
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time, I told you, like all the different Ajas have their traits
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or characteristics. I think I remember saying the
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Blue Aja was like the CIA. So even without their power,
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even without their power, without her power, she still has
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that network. Yeah, even her sister's like,
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well, all your eyes and ears that you thought you had are now
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mine. Listen.
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But. But before we get to that.
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So. Yeah.
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So she still has, she still has, you know, all the things that
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she's put in place, all the manipulations that her and and
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her other Blues have have gotten going.
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So it's it's very interesting to see that.
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And I'm glad we all know this, recognize that even without her
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power, she's still a pretty formidable person.
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Yeah. And most eyes to die are pretty
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well trained in the game of houses.
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So they they can play the game just just as well as anyone that
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that's where they're taught in the tower, their whole setup,
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the politics of the tower is instruction in the game of
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houses. So.
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OK, yeah, but let's let's backtrack a little bit.
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Let's go to this confrontation with her and lady on there.
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Because when Moraine gets there, first of all, you haven't seen
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your family in decades, decades. Like like you said, the uncle
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then ruin the house. The father has been waiting for
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his daughter to come home or rain never went home, never went
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home. Your your dad passed.
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We don't know what the situation was with her mother, whether her
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mother was still alive when she became I said I whatever, but
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her dad, she was her dad's favorite and she left to be a
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eyes to die. And as the sister said, she
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abandoned them. So her sister, apparently, as a
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child idolized Moraine, looked up to her, you know, wanted to
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be like her. And it's so interesting because
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you can see Moraine when she gets into her, her rooms, her
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old rooms, and she has her private moments.
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You can see the emotion of being back home and how it's affecting
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her. Not a lot.
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She's still keeping it kind of close to the vest, but you can
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see that she is emotional about being back there.
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However, when she's with her sister, she's very cold.
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She's very straight to the point and she's very like, I don't
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have time for this. I came here to do this.
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I need to lay low and stuff. And her sister's look alike.
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It's been decades. Can you at least sit down and
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have some tea with me, maybe for lunch?
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I got stuff to do it. She walks out.
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I was like, oh, OK, Is this another episode?
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What? I'm a where I'm a look at
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Moraine and be like, you are such a bitch.
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I mean, literally your sister is old.
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OK, She looks like she could be your grandmother the way that
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they have, you know, her makeup. And it's so weird because
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there's some some scenes in the episode, like the very first
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scene where they make a, a showing of all the wrinkles on
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her face and just the way time, you know, has been kind or
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hasn't been kind to lady on there.
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And then of course we find out that she's Marine's little
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sister because you know, of all that stuff.
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But then later on in the episode she looks completely different.
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I don't know if y'all noticed that she almost looks, I don't
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know, she looks more polished. She doesn't look as old.
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And I don't know if that was on purpose, you know, because at
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this point, when she looks like that, at least to me, she's
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pissed off at Marine. She's already found out some of
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the stuff that Marine has been up to.
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And she's just to the point where she was like, Marine, if
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you don't sit your ass down and have a God damn cup of tea with
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me, I was just like, this woman is a she's not very loud spoken,
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but she's very formidable. I'm like, OK, Spitfires must run
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in the de Madrid family because Moraine is really being
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dismissive of her. And her sister was like, oh,
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yeah, So all these people you've been going around talking to
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today. Yeah, I know.
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And then she starts calling them by name, which is crazy because
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that's like to say you may have your connections, but my
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connections are worth more because I care about these
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people as persons. No, she just said all your eyes
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and ears and now my. Eyes mute yes, but how do you
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but how do you get that you have to for something like that you
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have to invest in people. It doesn't have to be a big
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investment. But the fact that she knows all
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of those servants by name that you know, it's like she formed
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those connections as well and she's like OK, yeah.
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So this little red headed boy you walking around looking for I
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can tell you where he is, but you going to come sit your ass
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down and have a cup of tea with me?
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I was like OK, I like her. She was giving a little bit of
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that Izbo vibe to me. Yeah, I, I, I was waiting for it
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too. I was like, she got to give a,
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she has to give a little bit of it a.
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Little bit, a little bit and then.
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When they. I I think it was just an
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inconsistent makeup because they took such care in making her
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look old in the beginning that they didn't take that much care
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later. So she looks like she normally
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looks. Yeah, yeah.
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And then like the part where they were seeing at the fire
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where Lorraine says, I'm proud of you.
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And she and she was like, thanks.
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But you know what? I'm actually to the point my
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life where I could give a fuck. She's like, I really don't care
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what you think now. Like, I literally had to pull
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this family up by the bootstraps and put us where we need it to
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be. Because I was thinking this at
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the beginning of the episode. I said it must be nice to be
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able to wake up, get out the bed, fix your hair, put on your
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robe, just to go into your parlor and lounge and sit and
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sip. On some.
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Tea, right? Like, like she's about to have
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the, the grapes over her head. I was like, OK, that must be a
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nice life. But she you know what?
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She fought to have that life when when her uncle betrayed
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them, her sister abandoned them, Her father died.
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She said what? She had to go to the neighbors
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to beg for food, leftovers from party.
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She was like, you don't know what's that what that's like.
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She was like, but I do. And I brought this family back
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to where we are supposed to be. And now my son is about to marry
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the queen and no one will spit on the name of House de Madrid
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ever again. I was like, you go girl.
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Tell your sister like I don't need you in your eyes to die.
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Bullshit. I did it.
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I was actually very impressed. I was too.
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That was awesome. I think she was more proud that
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she could tell Moraine and show her that she did it without her
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help than actually doing it. I think that's what she's been
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waiting on like the whole time is like doing it and it's fine,
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OK, we're back where we need to be.
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But Moraine hasn't seen seen that I've done this yet.
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So now she's actually complete and she's like, OK, cool.
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Yeah, which is kind of one of those.
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I don't need you in your powers like you need your powers to do
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what you got to do. I did this all by myself.
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To see what what the little folk don't realize about Eyes to Die
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is that the world is much bigger and there are things that are
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way more important. Yeah, than worrying about the
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state of your house. Oh yeah, I can.
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I can. Yeah.
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So for Marine, yeah, maybe it might dig her a little bit, but
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she knows that the work that she's doing, that she's involved
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in, is literally the fate of the entire universe.
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Yeah. You know, I mean, when you think
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about it should be, I mean, her sister's basically doing this
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for Marine because her sister's getting raped going to die and
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Marine's going to be young for for way longer than she's going
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to be alive. So it's like, OK, cool.
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And she's going to come be like, yeah, I'm the sister.
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This is all mine. If she.
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Wants to I don't I don't think she can do that because Andrea
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has a son so that that it will most likely pass down to the son
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and like we don't know how many children she has but.
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I mean, she probably I live the son too.
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I mean it's. Well, and and to be honest,
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Marine didn't didn't care about it.
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Yeah, that and that was the other thing I was going to say.
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Yeah, that's not important. Yeah, that's that's not what's
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important. Yeah, I wonder.
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I wonder if she'll Care now that she sees that her.
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Oh, you got attitude. Oh, OK, No.
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No, because again, Marine has. Respect for her sister.
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Right. I I was just, I was just fucking
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around. I know she.
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Oh, OK, I was about to say. She's no, no, she she showed in
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this episode that she that she was impressed and that she
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showed that she still loved her sister, that she was proud of
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her. So, you know.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I saw you. She made that clear.
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Yeah, but I think, I think I, I don't think Marine, I don't
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think those digs at her or her sister, her sister's trying to
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make her feel bad. She's trying to make her feel
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guilty. And that that's going to be very
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hard to do to Marine. Like.
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She has done some things in her life.
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She has hurt people, manipulated people.
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She's done a lot of bad, terrible things in her life and
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her eyes said I have done bad, terrible things.
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And you know, she's killed thousands of trollics.
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She doesn't. Having tea with her sister is at
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the bottom of the priority list. For her, yeah.
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But you know, this, it's kind of like, I, I understand you have
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the world to save or or whatever it is that you're trying to do.
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But still, in the grand scheme of things, her sister's life is
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fleeting. Hers is not.
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A cup of tea is not going to hurt you, no.
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It's. Not and, and, and it shouldn't,
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it shouldn't take your sister having to barter for information
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or having to say, hey, I have the information you're looking
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for, but I'm not going to give it to you unless you sit down
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and have tea with me. It shouldn't take all of that,
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you know. That's the difference between
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the Blues and the greens, cause the Greens, they'll take time
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out their day for a lot of things, yeah.
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We don't we don't get to that in a minute, but I I think I think
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the other thing too is that with on there, God damn it, I'm not
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that thought just flew straight out my head.
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What was I about this? You got distracted by thinking
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about being the green. Oh, but no, what I was going to
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say was I, I think too, the thing with Lady Anver going back
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to something you said a a few minutes ago, Anthony, like
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Moraine, when she's thinking about her life and the things
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that she needs to do, she has to think about how her actions will
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affect the entire world based on what she does.
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Her sister doesn't have that. She doesn't have that
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responsibility. She probably has never even been
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outside of that, that part of their country.
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So I think it is just more so she doesn't understand Moraine's
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world, just like Moraine doesn't understand her world, You know,
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And I think again, we talk about this all the time.
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And Anthony, you mentioned this a lot about how a lot of people
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don't like the ice to die. And that's that could be very
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much how unveil feels as well. Because especially if you are
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this young child and you have this older sister that you
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idolize that you love more than anything, and she becomes a part
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of this this group and she just abandons you.
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Yes, she probably has some unresolved feelings about the
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eyes to die and and all of that. So I mean, I don't mind her
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being upset. I didn't mind the verbal
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exchange and the the little light verbal lash and she gave
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her sister because again, Moran has been getting on my nerves
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for the last few episodes. So I kind of feel like she
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deserves that lashing and maybe maybe she might have a little
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bit more consideration for people.
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You know, like I said, it's not, it's not a big deal to her, but
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she might be around for another 60-70 years.
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Obviously her sister won't, you know, but.
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Even even if sister were like, you know, I I tried the channel
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like, oh, I tried. Yeah, you know what that
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reminded me of? That reminded me of Aunt Petunia
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and Harry Potter when she was trying to, she was trying to be
00:22:24
a witch and she wanted to go to Hogwarts and she wrote the
00:22:27
Dumbledore and was like, hey, I, I you can still let me come.
00:22:31
I maybe it'll come later. I was thinking about that.
00:22:34
I was like, oh, OK. I literally wrote down it'll be
00:22:37
15 minutes before Hanukkah compares her to Petunia and
00:22:43
what, what, what, what time are we at?
00:22:45
You know me so well. Oh boy, you know me so well.
00:22:52
So well. Yeah.
00:22:54
But the fact that you even thought that tells me.
00:23:00
Yeah, but then Marines. I had swear Marines said you
00:23:03
would have made the fine eyes to die.
00:23:05
Did she not save it in this episode?
00:23:08
I. Think she made it in my head I
00:23:10
don't know, but she said what she told.
00:23:13
Her sister, she would have made a a a a good eyes to die, you
00:23:17
know, if if she had been able to channel.
00:23:19
I believe she said something like.
00:23:21
That Yeah, I think so. But OK, we're going to come away
00:23:26
from that for a little bit because we we're going to have
00:23:28
to go back. We got to talk about Rand and
00:23:29
stuff, but since she mentioned the green Asha and Alana, when I
00:23:36
tell you, Alana is very quickly becoming one of my favorite
00:23:41
characters in this show, not just because of her.
00:23:47
Her freedom to express herself, the way she wants to express
00:23:50
herself and the way she basically can live her life the
00:23:54
way she wants to leave it. Like even her family is there
00:23:58
teasing her about the men. They were like, oh, it's been a
00:24:01
while since you brought another man home.
00:24:03
We thought you were slowing down in your old age, like.
00:24:06
So where does the third one go? Where's the third one go?
00:24:10
Dan? Dan's like yo.
00:24:13
Like did they really? Y'all really asked her that?
00:24:18
Like So what hold does the Whoops.
00:24:22
I mean, they know her best, so they weren't even surprised.
00:24:25
They were just wondering. We're probably.
00:24:26
Seriously wondering like that but I there are certain
00:24:29
conversations I am not having with my family and that.
00:24:33
Well, she's. Obviously.
00:24:36
She's obviously very open and transparent about what's
00:24:40
happening and no one is under. Think about it.
00:24:43
She's she could be older. Was she in the same class as
00:24:50
Leandron and Marine and so on. I can't.
00:24:53
Remember, she might have been. She might have been.
00:24:57
Because she does seem she does seem to have a close bond with
00:25:02
Moraine. I think they were all, I think
00:25:04
they were all novices together. OK.
00:25:06
There's someone Leandron and Marine.
00:25:09
Yeah, don't hold me to that, but if I remember correctly, I think
00:25:13
they all were. That's why, and Lana and Marine
00:25:16
are close, but think about she's been around for a while, she's
00:25:23
been doing this for a while, so they're all used to it.
00:25:26
They all know what's going on. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:30
But it's been around, it's so. Round and round, round she
00:25:34
comes. But it's so, it's so interesting
00:25:38
seeing Lance. With her around, really.
00:25:40
You know what I'm I'm just not doing this this episode.
00:25:45
He's not getting passed around. I mean, her, her warts might be,
00:25:47
but she ain't getting passed around for nothing.
00:25:49
She's doing the passing. Oh, you doing the passing?
00:25:53
Well, I mean well OK, you know what?
00:25:56
No, we are not doing this because when I tell y'all the
00:26:01
last episode I was having a hard time editing because y'all kept
00:26:05
throwing out these gems and I was like Oh my God, like what in
00:26:09
the world? It's been a while since talk has
00:26:12
gotten that out of control on the episode.
00:26:14
I mean, would you, would you rather rather just be boring, be
00:26:17
like, yes, Maureen. Absolutely not.
00:26:18
I don't know. I don't know if we could be
00:26:23
boring. I mean, we could if we tried
00:26:26
really hard, but yeah, it's not happening.
00:26:28
But I find it so interesting seeing Rand very much out out of
00:26:37
his element, you know, just kind of being there and going through
00:26:42
what he's going through. And it's not as bad as with
00:26:45
stepping because again, his his mat.
00:26:48
I mean, his his bond is not broken with Moraine.
00:26:52
It's just kind of temporarily permanently masked.
00:26:56
Maybe if she gets, you know, she gets her power back.
00:26:59
But seeing how? No, they're they're not bonded
00:27:03
anymore. At all.
00:27:09
No, once. Once she was cut off because she
00:27:15
had already masked it. But once it was cut off, she
00:27:18
couldn't. She wouldn't be able to even
00:27:20
mask it anymore. The bond is gone.
00:27:25
She didn't have the, she didn't have the ability to mask a bond.
00:27:29
So it's not being masked. The bond is gone.
00:27:32
She, he was when she lost her powers, he was, he was cut off.
00:27:36
He was released from that bond. It's like she was cut off from
00:27:39
the one power. So it's so OK.
00:27:41
And and I know this is probably just kind of so when Ishmael cut
00:27:53
her off from the one power that was a permanent cutting, can she
00:27:58
not get her power back or I don't want to say, well, yeah, I
00:28:03
do want to say it's not more like she shielded, like you
00:28:06
really think he cut her completely off?
00:28:11
Let's just say whether she's shielded or whether she's cut
00:28:14
off. She can no longer test the one
00:28:16
power OK, which means she doesn't have the ability to
00:28:20
maintain or create threads of the power.
00:28:24
The bond is a continuous thread of the One Power.
00:28:29
OK. This is how he's how they're
00:28:32
able to know where each other is at all time.
00:28:35
Wherever they are, they can tell how they they're feeling.
00:28:39
The the Warriors get a boost in in, you know they get a stat
00:28:43
boost. Yeah, yeah.
00:28:45
Yeah, plus 2 + 2 Dexterity. Right.
00:28:48
You know, they get a stat boost on top of whatever they got.
00:28:51
I'm just saying so all that is gone when she lost her power,
00:28:56
her ability to maintain the bond is gone because that is based on
00:29:00
the one power. OK, so I guess that's.
00:29:02
It's not like something that was done with the like I would think
00:29:06
the Oath rods, which are independent, they generate, I
00:29:12
mean they're independent of the one power.
00:29:14
So she might still be held to her bonds because that is
00:29:19
because of the Oath Rod. OK, OK, so the OK that helps me
00:29:24
understand a little bit better because I don't think I was
00:29:27
thinking of their bond as like literally having the threads
00:29:34
connecting them. I I don't think I was thinking
00:29:36
of it in that sense. Yeah, and then and so and I
00:29:39
think he's able to take it a little bit better because one,
00:29:44
when he he already cares around a massive amount of grief.
00:29:49
Yeah. Already #2 She always had the
00:29:53
habit of of masking it all the time so he's used to it not
00:29:57
being active. Yeah, and that's what he was
00:30:01
saying in in the episode. So that's I, I guess that's
00:30:04
probably why I was kind of thinking like, well, maybe it's
00:30:07
not completely broken. Maybe it's just kind of, I don't
00:30:11
know, in in limbo and hiding or whatever because of what he did
00:30:15
to her. But OK, the way you just
00:30:17
explained it kind of makes me understand it a little bit
00:30:19
better because there's still, even though we're like halfway
00:30:22
through the second season, there's still a lot being a a
00:30:26
non book reader that I don't really understand about the way
00:30:29
it works in this. They're slowly giving you little
00:30:34
bits and pieces, like the whole conversation with him and Maxim
00:30:38
that was trying to give you a little bit of to help you kind
00:30:42
of understand how it works. Yeah.
00:30:45
So but yeah, him having always being mastered once in awhile
00:30:50
and having times when he wasn't made him used to not being
00:30:54
bonded to her and feeling that bond.
00:30:57
And again, he already, I know it's hard to try to compare him
00:31:00
to the book land. He already carries around a lot
00:31:04
of emotional weight about. Oh yeah, absolutely.
00:31:07
Yeah. Like he's already having to
00:31:10
manage that. Losing a bond to her is is
00:31:14
sometimes my pill a little bit. Like he was helping him deal
00:31:18
with it, but he was already carrying it around for most of
00:31:22
his life anyway. OK.
00:31:25
Yeah, OK. But.
00:31:30
Yeah, I like how she just walked up on him with his, you know,
00:31:33
she she has no coop with swim. None.
00:31:38
She's like, OK, you over here peeing.
00:31:40
OK, so let's have this conversation like, can the man
00:31:44
get a little privacy? Can he shake it off first before
00:31:47
you just go into a full, serious conversation?
00:31:49
It ain't none, none that she ain't seen hundreds of like like
00:31:53
in her in her years of existence.
00:31:54
She didn't care. Why?
00:31:55
Why was my first thought he didn't wash his hands, But yeah,
00:32:00
whatever. This is me.
00:32:02
This is me being. Anything about that, that's,
00:32:06
that's the, that's the last thing on her mind.
00:32:12
OK. But yeah, again, she is becoming
00:32:16
one of my favorite characters because even though she's very
00:32:20
headstrong, she's very forthcoming, she's very straight
00:32:23
to the point. She doesn't pull punches.
00:32:25
She doesn't sugarcoat anything. She still has a way when she's
00:32:30
speaking to someone of being all of that, but still being gentle
00:32:36
and not, you know, not being so harsh because they could all be
00:32:41
looking at land like, OK, you need to just, you know, suck it
00:32:44
up, get over it. I mean, she's even trying to
00:32:47
prod him a little bit towards my knee, like so when I left, my
00:32:50
knee was about to go through the arches.
00:32:52
So that means she's going to be a sister.
00:32:54
So she's going to need a water. And it's almost like for a split
00:32:57
second you could see a little bit of happiness with lands
00:33:00
face. And then he was like, I'm not
00:33:03
looking to repeat my mistake. She was like, no, because I
00:33:06
think if he were to be bonded to Nyneve and something like this
00:33:10
happened, I think he would go the route of step.
00:33:12
And I think it would really, yeah.
00:33:15
Because like with Moraine, even though they're bonded and they
00:33:19
do have a connection, their connection does not, I don't
00:33:23
think, extend romantically, and I don't think it ever has.
00:33:28
But the fact that he has been intimate with Nyneve, we know
00:33:32
how he feels about her and obviously we know how she feels
00:33:36
about him, given what she went through in the Arches.
00:33:39
Yeah, I think something like that.
00:33:41
He, I don't know if he would survive something like that.
00:33:44
You know, I think going back to what you said about Alana being
00:33:48
your favorite character, she is my favorite character for
00:33:53
various reasons. I just know I can't really focus
00:33:56
and concentrate when she's on the screen kind of like she is.
00:34:02
Gorgeous. I will say that she is gorgeous.
00:34:06
And so I have to let, let me go back.
00:34:08
I, I kind of missed what she was saying.
00:34:11
I wasn't really paying attention.
00:34:12
Yeah, yeah, which is, which is she's absolutely beautiful,
00:34:17
Yeah. But that's also I mean the way
00:34:21
she is with just in her everyday existence on the show.
00:34:28
Because if you like right now, season 3 is about maybe I think
00:34:34
2 weeks away from from start. No, next week.
00:34:38
I think it starts next week, next weekend.
00:34:40
I think it starts this week. Wait, what is the Oh, it's the
00:34:43
10th. Yes, it does start this weekend.
00:34:45
So there have already been trailers and kind of teasers
00:34:49
about the new season. And there's one particular clip
00:34:53
that has come out and it's of the women in the Eyes to die
00:34:57
kind of going into the tower. I don't think they saying any of
00:35:02
this is kind of spoilery or anything.
00:35:04
But she is walking down the hallway and there's like the
00:35:07
Blues and there's the yellows. And like you get to see Asha
00:35:11
from pretty much all of the the little groups and they all
00:35:15
literally turn and look at her. And some of them are looking at
00:35:19
her with respect. Some of them are looking at her
00:35:21
like who does she think she is? But when she walks in the room,
00:35:27
people fucking pay attention. And that again, that's something
00:35:32
else that I love about her character because none of that
00:35:36
affects her. She could easily be the type of
00:35:38
person who knows she's getting that attention and she kind of
00:35:44
flaunts it or she she makes a show of it.
00:35:48
We only see her do that every once in a while.
00:35:50
When she had the conversation with a Gwen and she was really
00:35:53
trying to kind of knock her off her her balance.
00:35:56
When she was having the conversation with Sharia and
00:36:00
Sadai, it was just little bitty things that she does.
00:36:04
Like, she was sitting forward and when Sharia and Sadai
00:36:06
started talking, she leaned back as she crossed her legs.
00:36:11
And it was just the the smoothness of the motion and the
00:36:13
way she did it. And she put her hand out and
00:36:16
Yvonne was giving her her her drink and she was just sitting
00:36:20
there. I was just like, everything
00:36:21
about this character, like I really, really hope she doesn't
00:36:25
end up becoming a bad character because everything about this
00:36:28
character, I'm just like, I fucking love her.
00:36:33
And every time she moves, it's like she's dancing.
00:36:35
Yes, it's amazing. Yes yeah just everything about
00:36:41
her life. I I don't know where y'all found
00:36:44
or or how y'all determined she would be the perfect person to
00:36:47
play this character, but my goodness chefs kiss to the
00:36:52
fucking casting team because wow wow.
00:36:57
But anyway, getting off that little soapbox.
00:37:00
So yeah, just seeing her in her element with, with her family,
00:37:05
just kind of seeing a different side to her being a little bit
00:37:10
more relaxed, a little bit more loose, a little bit more
00:37:15
humorous. And then you see you kind of see
00:37:19
a little bit more of the personalities of Maxim and
00:37:22
Yvonne as well, because Maxim is the one who's very I feel like
00:37:27
he's very what's the I think he he understands land a little bit
00:37:35
more because if you listen to the way that he describes his
00:37:40
relationship with Ivan and Alana, he is all he's he's the
00:37:46
one that's the third man out. He's the odd man out because
00:37:50
even when he said a couple episodes ago, he fell in love
00:37:53
with Ivan, Ivan fell in love with Alana.
00:37:58
And I don't know in which order that happened, but you could
00:38:02
tell even in that episode that he feels kind of like the the
00:38:06
third wheel, so to speak, in that in that whole I said I
00:38:11
water relationship. But you feel it even more in
00:38:14
this one because he talks to LAN about the fact that when they
00:38:18
first got together, it was kind of it was tense.
00:38:21
And she decided that she was going to mask her bond with him,
00:38:26
probably because she couldn't, I don't know, maybe he had some
00:38:30
jealousy over her and Ivan. And she was just like, look,
00:38:36
there's only so much I can take you getting on my nerves.
00:38:40
And I'm about to mask this bond. So that had me thinking.
00:38:44
I was like, so does that mean that his mask, that his bond
00:38:49
with her is completely masked except for when they're in
00:38:54
battle? I think he said something about
00:38:56
that. But any other time it's masked.
00:38:58
Is that what he was implying? That's what he sounds like.
00:39:03
Interesting so he literally only stays because of Ivan and I
00:39:07
guess maybe he does have some feeling for her too.
00:39:09
But not I think he loves Ivan more than he loves Alana.
00:39:15
But I can't imagine. Like I know that there are non
00:39:23
traditional relationships out there.
00:39:24
I know polyamory exists and you know, open relationships and
00:39:29
stuff like that, but for the scope of this show and the
00:39:33
context that that conversation took place, I can't imagine
00:39:39
having such a, an intense bond or an intense love for someone
00:39:44
just to feel left out because they have that while they have
00:39:49
love for you, they have more love for someone else.
00:39:52
I just like. It's hard to wrap your head
00:39:58
around it, but I I believe that relations like relationships
00:40:02
like this happen. Yeah, I I'm pretty sure they do.
00:40:05
But it's just I guess because in the real world, yeah, we have,
00:40:11
we have bonds with people that we love and you know, those
00:40:14
bonds are invisible. But if you think about the way
00:40:18
that you just described what the water and isodide bond is, their
00:40:23
bond is literally a physical manifestation.
00:40:26
Like there is something literally keep holding them
00:40:30
together. And to not be able to fully
00:40:35
participate in there or to fully experience that because of the
00:40:39
other stuff, I just, I just can't imagine that has to make
00:40:47
it very hard for you to be around them.
00:40:52
And to also, just like, I don't want to say that he would allow
00:40:57
something to harm her because of that, but it's just kind of like
00:41:01
I, I don't know, it's. Yeah, it, it, it can.
00:41:06
It probably is hard for us to to conceive of something like that,
00:41:13
but that's how much he loves. Ivan.
00:41:19
That's how much he wants to be with Ivan.
00:41:22
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:22
And then you on top of that, they were training to be
00:41:26
warders. So if you're going to be a
00:41:29
warder of a nice die, you might as well do it with the person
00:41:34
that you're in love with. Yeah.
00:41:37
You know otherwise be somewhere else and be heartbroken where
00:41:40
you can be you can at least you know I ensuring.
00:41:43
Their safety. Right.
00:41:45
Like, I keep think he's bouncing around in my head.
00:41:48
This is why I hate Hamilton. So that line where Angelica says
00:41:52
at least I'll have his eyes in my life.
00:41:56
Yeah. And, and I can't get that out of
00:41:58
my head when I, when I see them now, 'cause now I think about
00:42:02
that, that that was a sacrifice he's making because that's how
00:42:06
much he wants to be with Ivan. Yeah.
00:42:09
And if this is how he can be with Ivan, this is what he will
00:42:13
take. Yeah.
00:42:14
So he's willing to endure all the other stuff because that's
00:42:19
the person that that he wants to be.
00:42:21
With yeah, it's just, and, and I can understand that on some
00:42:25
level. I've I've seen it in, in
00:42:27
relationships and that sort of thing.
00:42:29
But it, I think the whole bond thing, to me, it just makes it
00:42:34
even harder to grasp because it's like you got to take that,
00:42:41
that little bit of heartbreak and that little bit of feeling
00:42:44
like you're the third will and that you, you know, in the, in
00:42:47
the totem pole of that relationship that you're kind of
00:42:50
on the bottom. But it magnifies it by like 10
00:42:54
or by 20 or by 100. Like you said, he only feels it
00:42:59
when they are in battle or having sex, so he's not he's not
00:43:05
feeling those feelings all the other time.
00:43:08
Well, he might, I mean, he might not be feeling those feelings as
00:43:11
far as Alana goes, but he could still feel that jealousy and
00:43:16
that that sadness in terms of Ivan, because Ivan, I think Ivan
00:43:26
loves him, but he doesn't. I don't think he loves Maxim the
00:43:30
way he loves Alana and, and being there in that relationship
00:43:36
knowing that I think is is the thing that I'm like, yeah, that
00:43:42
might be a little bit harder to grasp.
00:43:45
Yeah, because he may not. He and his like, I don't want to
00:43:50
say we're ascribing how we would feel for him.
00:43:53
He may not feel jealousy, he may not feel jealous about the
00:43:57
situation as long as he's not feeling what they're feeling.
00:44:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like but.
00:44:08
You can tell that it may bother him sometimes, but that you
00:44:12
know, I wouldn't think he was. Another pop look, another pop
00:44:15
culture comparison. I'm thinking about the wolves in
00:44:21
Twilight when when Sam imprinted on Emily, but old girl was over
00:44:28
here. Leah was over here still kind of
00:44:30
like in love with him. And she was like, you know, it's
00:44:33
hard being his ex when you can, you know, when you're a pack and
00:44:37
you can hear everybody's thoughts.
00:44:39
So you can hear the love of your life with the love of his life
00:44:46
24/7, everything. So I, so it just made me think
00:44:53
about that like, Oh, that's got to be a hard thing.
00:44:54
At least here he gets to turn it off or he gets to have it mass
00:44:59
form so he doesn't have to go through that.
00:45:02
And I, I will say, I feel like that kind of may be a testament
00:45:07
to her loving him as well, because she was like, OK, I love
00:45:11
you enough to not want you to have to suffer and, and deal
00:45:14
with this because she could have very easily, as I said, I'd been
00:45:17
like, OK, you were the one who decided you wanted to be my
00:45:20
warder with him. And you know what the situation
00:45:23
was you just don't have to deal with.
00:45:24
She could have very easily done that.
00:45:26
You know, if, if it was Leandron with them as her warder, she
00:45:31
probably very well would have been like, I don't, I don't give
00:45:33
a fuck. This is what you signed up for.
00:45:37
So right, well, you know that's what I'm saying If.
00:45:41
She was, if she was any other, I should die with Waters.
00:45:45
She would be like, OK, whatever. But again, Alana, it does not
00:45:50
seem like that type like again, she's firm, she stands on
00:45:54
business, but she has compassion.
00:45:57
She has empathy for, you know, what Maximus going through.
00:46:02
She understands what land is going through.
00:46:04
And she even like I said, she tries to let him see a bright
00:46:08
spot in everything that that he's dealing with right now.
00:46:12
But yeah, anyway, all of that say I just I love her as a
00:46:15
character just yeah. And this was, and this was fun
00:46:20
again to see her with her family because we're you so used to
00:46:24
saying all of them were just the ice to die and how they are.
00:46:27
And you see that when they're away from the tower, when
00:46:29
they're away from their sisters, they are like complete people.
00:46:34
I mean, completely different people except for Moraine.
00:46:37
Moraine is still very old. Moraine's Moraine.
00:46:43
She ain't going to change who she is.
00:46:44
She's that's how she is. Yeah.
00:46:47
But it only, it's just like, it's just like they said about
00:46:49
the Super soldier serum. It's like it only amplifies who
00:46:52
you are being. I said I only amplifies who you
00:46:55
are. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:58
So. I'm glad you talked about
00:47:00
wolves. Let's go ahead and talk about
00:47:01
Parent and Elias having this conversation about them being
00:47:05
wolf. Brothers.
00:47:08
So did you, where did you say Mike?
00:47:10
Did you say Mike Wolf? Brothers.
00:47:13
Where in in where? Where did parent ask, am I going
00:47:16
to turn into a wolf? And where did the lion say
00:47:19
Michael? He said I am them, so are you.
00:47:24
No, whether you say when parent asked him am I going to turn
00:47:28
into a wolf? Whether the lion say don't?
00:47:30
Did he say don't be ridiculous or something?
00:47:33
Don't be an idiot. Don't.
00:47:34
Speak words he said. He said bitch please but OK OK
00:47:40
but. I'm not calling you to you,
00:47:44
Mike, but he did say don't be an idiot, boy.
00:47:51
I've been, I've been called worse.
00:47:53
But my point is, I'm just saying that being I mean, a wolf, he's
00:48:00
he's a kin to a wolf. So I mean, werewolf is a kin to
00:48:05
a wolf. So I mean.
00:48:06
He's he's just going to do whatever he can to try and make
00:48:09
that fit. He's werewolf ish.
00:48:12
It's werewolf adjacent. It's fine.
00:48:14
I mean. You can say we could say wolf
00:48:16
brother is werewolf adjacent. He ain't got turned to a fully
00:48:20
into a wolf. Werewolves don't turn fully into
00:48:22
wolves, they only turn partially into wolves.
00:48:24
Depends on which depends on it. Depends on what you watch.
00:48:27
Yeah, exactly. If you if you if you watch
00:48:29
Twilight, then they turn entirely into wolves.
00:48:32
If. They're watching.
00:48:32
They're not. They're not wolves, but we're
00:48:34
not going to have this conversation.
00:48:36
Yeah, I think we've mentioned Twilight.
00:48:39
I never watched Twilight, so I. Don't American Werewolf and
00:48:42
Linden and American Werewolf in Paris they fully trained?
00:48:46
And the and the werewolf short. And the Marvel World War well,
00:48:49
werewolf short, he changed into a man.
00:48:51
Very hairy man. Yeah.
00:48:54
Yeah, but but I like, I like that whole, I like that whole
00:48:57
interaction. Like he was like, come on, let's
00:48:59
see. And all the wolves are like
00:49:00
tearing the elk apart. And he was the only one sitting
00:49:02
there with beat on the stick, cooking it.
00:49:05
It's like Elias was there. I was there.
00:49:07
Like tearing me down. He's like, that was.
00:49:09
Gross. That was gross.
00:49:11
Because I was like, I know that's not really me that he's
00:49:15
eating on. It almost looked like a piece of
00:49:17
like like thick jello or something, but I was like that
00:49:21
it. Might be it might be a steak
00:49:23
you. Never know, he said.
00:49:24
You lose the taste for cooked flesh soon enough.
00:49:27
Yeah, but it might, it might be a real steak.
00:49:30
I mean, he could just take it because there was a cut in
00:49:32
between there. It's like he he tore from it,
00:49:34
didn't focus on pairing in him and his meat on his stick.
00:49:38
And then he was like, you lose the taste for that soon enough.
00:49:41
You know, I mean, I I actually like this because it's so it
00:49:47
should it finally showed pairing.
00:49:50
Almost like, like leaning towards accepting it or try at
00:49:55
least trying to understand it. At least trying to understand
00:49:57
what he is and trying to make sense of it.
00:49:59
Yeah. And learning, learning the name
00:50:01
of of his little wolf friend. I was like, oh, Hopper, little
00:50:05
Hopper. Yeah, he's been sending them.
00:50:08
He's been sending the pack images.
00:50:12
Yeah, that was the thing that I thought was very interesting,
00:50:15
because when when Elias mentioned Layla or the woman, he
00:50:19
didn't mention her by name and parent was looking like how he
00:50:24
was like. You've been sending us images
00:50:26
for months. So it's like, and then you kind
00:50:29
of see Paren, I guess processing that eternal internally because
00:50:35
that means that they know what happened to Layla if, if
00:50:40
they're, if he's projecting and they can kind of see what each
00:50:44
other are thinking or what's going on.
00:50:46
So they know exactly what happened to him.
00:50:50
And I just think at that point, Paren was probably like, OK, at
00:50:56
this point, I can't do anything but lean in because like,
00:51:01
literally, this man is laying out for you all of this stuff.
00:51:05
Like he basically tells Perry, yeah, that was me that saved
00:51:09
you. And that girl when you were on
00:51:11
the trail in the first season, he was like, you're lucky we
00:51:15
were there for you. And Perry was like, that was
00:51:17
you. Yep.
00:51:18
You lucky we saved you from the white cloaks.
00:51:21
Oh, that was you, too. Yeah.
00:51:23
We've been following you for a while.
00:51:24
We've been protecting you for a while.
00:51:27
So at this point, I feel like parent almost has to be like,
00:51:31
OK, you know what? Let me stop ignoring this.
00:51:34
Let me try to figure out what this is.
00:51:36
Because 1, you not knowing what it is and you trying to ignore
00:51:43
what you think might be happening.
00:51:45
You're causing yourself to be distracted because you're not
00:51:48
focused. You're, you're too worried about
00:51:51
this stuff over here when you should be worried about this
00:51:54
stuff over here. Just learn what it is you need
00:51:57
to learn. Reconcile yourself to it.
00:52:00
And then that way you can focus on your real task, which is
00:52:04
locating Pat and fame and also finding the rest of the
00:52:08
Shinarans and trying to save them.
00:52:12
You can't do that if you're if, if your focus is broken.
00:52:18
So I'm glad they had that conversation too, because now he
00:52:22
can literally start thinking, OK, this is what this is.
00:52:27
And now he can stop acting stupid and he can actually start
00:52:32
asking Elias some questions that will help him embrace whatever
00:52:38
this is for him, which is not him into a wolf.
00:52:44
Would you say, OK, so the whole the whole thing with the the
00:52:48
whole term with wolf brother, would you say it's similar to
00:52:52
And yes, we are making lots of other references tonight, but
00:52:55
would you say it's similar to like a witch having a familiar?
00:53:01
Interesting. I I guess it would depend on
00:53:06
which what kind of familiar, but I I don't think so because I
00:53:11
don't I can't think of a time I've seen seeing the witch take
00:53:15
on the characteristics of their familiar.
00:53:18
OK, OK. But they are at least connected
00:53:24
in that way we can we can say there's that kind of connection
00:53:29
to where they have like a a well.
00:53:33
No, it's it's. It's not.
00:53:35
It is a little more deep than that.
00:53:36
It's more yes, way deeper. OK, yeah, 'cause I was gonna say
00:53:40
it's not just with with witches and familiars is usually one
00:53:45
witch to one familiar, and with this he's connected to the
00:53:49
entire pack. It's a.
00:53:51
Little different. It's almost like if I, if you
00:53:56
could, if you could describe the wheel as being sort of
00:54:01
interconnected and one of those crossings of the spokes would be
00:54:08
his these wolf brothers, their lives are kind of crossed over
00:54:14
with the wolves. OK.
00:54:17
Does that, does that, does that make sense?
00:54:20
Sort of Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:22
It would be like that. Like there, the way the wheel
00:54:25
works, it has their lives sort of intertwined with the Wolf
00:54:29
Pack. OK.
00:54:31
And so I don't want to say the wheel doesn't know that they're
00:54:35
not. It's just, it just gives them
00:54:37
their traits and characteristics and it's like, Oh yeah, you're
00:54:41
human but you're a wolf, but you're not a werewolf.
00:54:45
Might. Right, but you're still a human.
00:54:50
A human wolf. Wolf.
00:54:52
Wolf. Wolf, wolf, stop, stop.
00:54:54
Like no, just just stop. Just stop.
00:54:56
You're you're a wolf brother. Just stop a wolf, brother.
00:55:00
Yeah, OK. But parent, Parent is embracing.
00:55:05
He's starting to embrace what he is.
00:55:08
Why is everybody from the Two Rivers hard headed as fuck?
00:55:11
What's in that damn water? Like damn what?
00:55:14
Everybody's hard headed. You don't remember like that's
00:55:18
in their DNAI. Guess everybody's.
00:55:23
Hard. Everybody's in their DNA.
00:55:26
That's just who they are. That's that's embedded in that
00:55:30
that people. Yeah.
00:55:32
It's like they got to be broken all the way down until they till
00:55:35
they start like like trying to figure shit out or start trying
00:55:39
to see things. I'm like damn well I.
00:55:41
Mean all the all I'm going to say is the people of Mannetharan
00:55:44
are a problem and they're a problem for the dark friends.
00:55:48
They're a problem for. For the Santan, they are a
00:55:53
problem. OK, good.
00:55:55
And and. Ran needs them.
00:55:58
OK, Yeah. Wait, who?
00:56:00
Ran. No.
00:56:01
Who the what people? The Manetheren.
00:56:03
The Manetheren, do you remember from the first season when they
00:56:06
were talking about the king and the queen in the, in the first
00:56:11
war or the the last war, how whatever they, you remember, the
00:56:16
king, king went to battle and the queen was left behind.
00:56:20
And she was the one who actually like save them because of her
00:56:25
absorbing all of the one power. And yeah, yeah.
00:56:31
But I also too, I was going to say my, you know, as far as them
00:56:36
being stubborn, I wouldn't necessarily call it
00:56:38
stubbornness. I mean, if you think about it,
00:56:41
they all grew up in this really, really small town kind of cut
00:56:44
off from from everybody else. They never really left the town,
00:56:48
so it's not like they have a vast knowledge of all the things
00:56:53
in the world. And so especially for these
00:56:57
particular characters, these 5 characters that that come from
00:57:00
the Two Rivers and who have all been thrown into different
00:57:04
circumstances, difficult circumstances.
00:57:08
It's like you're having to face situations and the existence of
00:57:15
things and the knowledge of things that you never thought
00:57:18
were possible. It will be like for us if, if
00:57:21
magic actually came, like real true magic came into our world,
00:57:28
I think we would all be a little bit ignorant and a little bit
00:57:31
stubborn because our first instinct would be what?
00:57:35
That can't exist. I mean, think about it.
00:57:37
If a zombie walked up the street right now, you would literally,
00:57:40
like we all say, what we would do if a zombie came by.
00:57:44
Our vampires were here. Whatever I'm running is, I'm not
00:57:47
going. To front I'm.
00:57:50
I'm gone. Yeah.
00:57:51
But the truth is we're all going to be in shock at 1st and it's
00:57:55
going to take us some time for our minds to kind of wrap around
00:57:58
the reality of what we're seeing.
00:58:00
And then trying to reconcile that with, OK, this is our new
00:58:03
reality. We need to figure this out.
00:58:06
We need to figure out how to deal with this.
00:58:07
We need to figure out how to handle this.
00:58:09
We need to figure out how to accept this.
00:58:12
So I don't think necessarily it's that Heron is stubborn.
00:58:18
Heron just needs some. Again, these characters, they
00:58:22
have literally since the trolley show the OR not not even the
00:58:26
trolley since Moraine and Lance showed up on their doorstep,
00:58:30
they have dealt with trauma after trauma after trauma after
00:58:33
trauma after conflict after conflict after conflict after
00:58:36
trauma. And they really have not had a
00:58:39
chance to sit and think about everything they've been through,
00:58:43
except maybe Matt, because he's had nothing to do but sit.
00:58:48
So it it's not him being stubborn.
00:58:51
He's just it. He's just taking a minute to
00:58:54
acclimate his mind towards everything that he's learning.
00:58:57
But I think now it's gotten to the point where he jumped over
00:59:01
that last hurdle. I don't think we'll have this
00:59:03
issue with him anymore. Like, he may still look at some
00:59:07
stuff like that strange, but now that he knows that there is
00:59:11
something more to what he is and he knows it's not something that
00:59:17
somebody has done to him. This is just a part of who he
00:59:20
is, I think. Yeah, I think he'll be a little
00:59:23
bit better now. So, yeah.
00:59:29
So let's see, where do we want to go now?
00:59:32
Do we want to go to the tower with a Gwaine and Naive or do we
00:59:37
want to go with Matt? You might as well to.
00:59:39
The Tower OK, let's go to the Tower 'cause we're going to deal
00:59:42
with the Rand stuff last 'cause that's a lot.
00:59:47
The need, the need being an accepted is funny as shit to me.
00:59:51
Like all this, it was like, 'cause she was walking past the
00:59:54
waters training and it was like, oh, you're accepted now He's and
00:59:57
he's like, so do you have Wardy? I think I mean, he, they were
01:00:01
the, he was just giddy. I was like, bro, you're, you're
01:00:04
playing yourself. Like call me.
01:00:05
Any anytime they're new, accepted, the waters get excited
01:00:08
'cause that means that they're going to bomb somebody.
01:00:11
They're going to need waters. Yeah.
01:00:12
Mm hmm. He.
01:00:15
Was like, I could train with you, can we can I train with
01:00:17
you? And I was like.
01:00:19
I was like, dude, you're not reading the room right now.
01:00:21
Yeah. Come on, dog.
01:00:23
I, I want to give a shout out to the costuming department because
01:00:27
I think the accepted, I, I think we mentioned it before, but the
01:00:31
accepted costumes with all the colors of the ozes on the
01:00:36
sleeves are is, is amazing. I like it because it's, it's
01:00:40
just that one, those subtle thing in a sea of white.
01:00:44
And yeah, I, I like it. But so, yeah, my name is having
01:00:50
a difficult time adjusting. As you know, the first time I
01:00:55
watched it, I was kind of when when E Gwen came and gave her
01:01:00
the hug and she was like, it wasn't real.
01:01:01
It wasn't real. You know, she's trying to
01:01:03
comfort her. And I was like, that is the most
01:01:07
insensitive thing that you can say.
01:01:09
Yes. 'Cause it was real to her.
01:01:12
But then I realized later on in the episode E, Gwen doesn't even
01:01:17
know what happened in the Arches, so she doesn't know what
01:01:21
Naive lost. And I was like, OK, I think if
01:01:24
she had known that there was an actual family, that there was a
01:01:28
child, that there was a because, yeah, I think if she knew that
01:01:35
she would react differently. But she's expecting Naive to
01:01:39
come out of that and be like, OK, it wasn't real.
01:01:43
I can, you know, whatever it was that happened to me and there is
01:01:46
not real, I can get over it. And it's not quite that simple
01:01:50
because like you said, she spent years in there and not just a
01:01:54
year or two years, years and then came through the arches
01:02:03
cradling her child to lose her. And it Wayne didn't see that
01:02:07
because she was asleep. So when she finally does see and
01:02:10
I need and I need is already on her knee, she's already
01:02:13
screaming. She has no way of knowing what
01:02:17
this woman just went through. And I I just I felt a little bit
01:02:26
in this episode, like when a Gwen was when she was talking to
01:02:32
Naive and then also when she was talking to Elaine.
01:02:37
It seemed very much like on the outside, she was concerned about
01:02:43
Naive and she was worried about Naive, but it really seemed more
01:02:49
like she was focused on herself, not necessarily in a woe with
01:02:56
me, but she was like, what? I feel like I should be there
01:02:58
for her. I should be able to do
01:03:00
something. I should.
01:03:01
And as much as Elaine is still kind of she's kind of in the
01:03:07
middle for me. I like the fact that she kind of
01:03:10
gently, Tony Wayne, basically she was like, this ain't about
01:03:13
you. You're making it about you and
01:03:16
what you need to do and how you are feeling about how you can't
01:03:20
help her, just be there for her. And I'm just sitting there like,
01:03:28
is this grief about to get worse?
01:03:30
Is it going to be worse? Probably always gets worse, but
01:03:33
it gets better. Yeah, at me at on top of all
01:03:37
that, because she gets the letter or Leandron finds out,
01:03:44
you know, she finds. Out earlier manipulative.
01:03:49
Yes, I understand that. But at the same time, Leandron
01:03:53
gets word about the Sean Chan invasion and she goes to Leanne,
01:03:59
who I guess she is the key. She calls herself the keeper.
01:04:03
So when when the when the ambulance seat is away, the
01:04:07
keeper shall play that sort of thing.
01:04:10
She's in charge of the White Tower when the ambulance seat is
01:04:13
not there. She speaks for the ambulance
01:04:17
seat when the ambulance seat is not there yet, but every
01:04:19
ambulance seat has a keeper. She's the person that makes sure
01:04:23
she's OK. She makes sure all the meetings
01:04:26
run. She's like the parliamentarian.
01:04:28
OK. It's like.
01:04:30
You know, she's the she's the grand vizier.
01:04:32
She's the Jafar of the show. Just not as evil.
01:04:37
Just not as evil, just not evil. But.
01:04:41
But yeah, so she goes to Leanne and she was like, so have you
01:04:44
heard about this, this invasion? Yeah, we've heard about it.
01:04:48
You haven't sent any sisters. Like, I haven't been told
01:04:51
anything. And Leanne turns around and
01:04:53
looks at her like, why do I, why do you think I should tell you
01:04:56
anything? Which is valid if she's
01:05:00
literally the right hand of the ambulance seat.
01:05:03
Leandrin is just the eyes of I. Why should she have to explain
01:05:06
anything to you? But Leandrin does take that and
01:05:11
she ends up going to Nynev. And she was like, hey, I just
01:05:14
found out this information. There's this, there's this
01:05:18
invasion in the West. And one of the mentions of the
01:05:22
prisoners that they've taken is they took a group of Shinarans
01:05:26
who were traveling with a blacksmith and no gear.
01:05:31
And immediately she's like, oh, OK, that's parent bet.
01:05:35
I'm, I'm going to go do something about this.
01:05:38
You know, she goes to Gwen to let her know, hey, parents in
01:05:42
trouble. I'm about to leave the tower.
01:05:44
I know you can't leave 'cause you're not novice.
01:05:46
And Gwen had to tell her, hold up, hold up.
01:05:49
I know we've had our wires crossed here in the six months
01:05:52
that we've been here. But let me let me get you to
01:05:55
understand something. Being a iced diet is only
01:05:59
important to me because I feel like I failed Rand and I failed
01:06:02
you all. If parent is in trouble, I wish
01:06:07
you would try to leave me. Basically that was the gist of
01:06:11
it. So they get ready to leave.
01:06:13
They go through the secret passageway that Ninee found when
01:06:18
Leandro was going to visit her son.
01:06:22
Here comes fucking Elaine. I was like, she's about to get
01:06:27
them in trouble. She is.
01:06:30
But it wasn't really her fault. Leandra, like, like Anthony
01:06:34
said, manipulative little bitch. She basically said a trap.
01:06:39
Now, to what end? I don't know.
01:06:42
But yeah, she pretty much. She looks at Elaine and she was
01:06:46
like, yeah, you're about to be a complication.
01:06:49
And then she blasts all three of them, knocks them out.
01:06:51
So I was like, what is she about to do now?
01:06:54
Man, this show is tripping every time they give Leandron a scene,
01:06:58
like the scene where Naive was sitting in front of their arches
01:07:01
and, you know, she's talking to her and stuff like that.
01:07:03
You're like, OK, it's the yeah, man.
01:07:06
She might be kind of sort of a decent person.
01:07:08
I. Understand.
01:07:09
And then here she comes. Here she comes with this evil I
01:07:11
keep. Telling you she's.
01:07:14
No, we and we. Understand sympathy for this
01:07:16
woman. And we're not saying that we
01:07:18
have any sympathy for her, but what we're saying is they really
01:07:22
are trying to play her on both sides.
01:07:25
Like they're giving her just enough empathy to be like, oh,
01:07:29
OK, she might kind of sort of maybe just a little.
01:07:35
And then they yank that shit away.
01:07:37
Right in a huge. Way the message they're the
01:07:40
message they're sending you is everything she does is a
01:07:44
manipulation. Yeah.
01:07:46
Everything, if you even like I watching the show, the episode
01:07:52
where Nanny followed her to, you know, to where her son was.
01:07:57
I'm not certain she didn't know she was following her, right.
01:08:01
This woman has taken great care, great care in keeping the secret
01:08:08
from everybody. She goes.
01:08:10
She gonna let this person follow her.
01:08:14
Come on. Come on, son.
01:08:15
Yeah. I, I, I can see that that does,
01:08:21
Yeah. But and, and, and she really
01:08:25
could have been doing that to test 90s metal.
01:08:29
You're like, OK, let's see what she's going to do.
01:08:32
Is she really worthy of me putting her up for the arches
01:08:35
right now? So yeah, I I can.
01:08:38
I can totally see that. But but nothing, nothing she has
01:08:41
done in this show has led to anything good happening to
01:08:44
anybody. No, everything she has done in
01:08:47
the show has been in manipulation.
01:08:48
Right. Everything.
01:08:50
Right. But it's kind of like so it
01:08:52
makes you question like why would you?
01:08:57
And maybe maybe it's just the fact that she had Elaine and
01:09:00
Gwen with her, but it's kind of like, why would you go to Nineve
01:09:05
tell her about this, knowing that she is not going to sit
01:09:09
there and let parents stay in trouble, especially now that
01:09:12
she's accepted and she doesn't have to stay in the tower.
01:09:15
She doesn't have to get permission to leave the tower.
01:09:18
So it's like, why would you go and tell her that just to turn
01:09:21
around and knock her out? And again, she might have, we
01:09:26
don't know where her motives are.
01:09:27
She might have just done that because E Gwen and Elaine with
01:09:30
her was with her. She might have been like, OK,
01:09:34
I'm gonna get my need to come out this tower and we're going
01:09:36
to go do such and such. And maybe she was going to use
01:09:38
that time to try to sway her to the red OSHA side again.
01:09:42
I I don't know because it lived. The episode literally ends when
01:09:46
she knocks them out as far as their part of the story goes.
01:09:50
So. I just thought of something.
01:09:52
Let's let's really like dig in on this manipulation.
01:09:57
OK, let's go. So first I just said it and I
01:10:02
didn't think about it, but she did allow Nanieve to follow her
01:10:07
because it showed none evil way out of the tower.
01:10:12
OK. So she manipulated her now that
01:10:17
she has gotten her to this point where she uses this to get her
01:10:22
to, she knows exactly where she's going to go because she
01:10:25
knows she knows how good at the tower.
01:10:27
She knows that she's going to tell Gwen and they're both going
01:10:31
to be leaving. Yeah.
01:10:33
And she knows exactly where they're going.
01:10:35
Elaine was the complication. She, she, she didn't know about
01:10:38
Elaine, but if you track it all the way back, it really seems
01:10:43
like she's been setting her up for this the whole time.
01:10:46
She lured her in, Get her to trust her.
01:10:49
Everything that she's done is to get Naive to trust her.
01:10:55
And all she needed to do was push her at some point to leave.
01:10:59
That could have been why she was keeping Matt.
01:11:01
She was going to use Matt to get her to leave the tower.
01:11:03
I know where Matt is. Oh yeah, and then because she
01:11:07
let Matt go as soon as 19, didn't come back through the
01:11:09
arches. Like literally as soon as she.
01:11:11
Didn't need me there. Yeah.
01:11:13
She's like, I don't care, do whatever they want.
01:11:16
Yeah. It just seemed me with him to
01:11:18
keep an eye on them, you know? Let's talk about men.
01:11:25
I, I, for the record, I do not like what they're doing with her
01:11:28
character, but I understand they're trying to.
01:11:31
I realize before we get into it, I realize a lot of the stuff
01:11:35
they've done is to make a lot of these characters have more depth
01:11:41
because as as good as the writer Robert Jordan was, the vast
01:11:46
majority of his characters were one note.
01:11:49
They had no depth. They Landrum, for example, just
01:11:53
even like they at least like you said this.
01:11:56
So they're trying to give you some depth.
01:11:58
They're trying to give you some something to be sympathetic for.
01:12:01
You don't get that with Robert Jordan.
01:12:03
The characters come exactly as they are.
01:12:06
The main characters, like the handful ran Mad Parent.
01:12:10
They have depth, but everybody else, they're they're all pretty
01:12:14
much. One trick pony.
01:12:16
Yeah, they're all one-dimensional and I can see
01:12:20
why they do some of the things doing the show.
01:12:22
So no, I don't like what they're doing with men, but I understand
01:12:26
they're trying to give her more than just a fortune teller who's
01:12:31
visions come true. This all she is in the book.
01:12:34
OK, Yeah. So like in in this episode, we
01:12:39
know that she and Matt are on the run, that they've quote UN
01:12:42
quote, escaped from Leandro. So they're in a bar.
01:12:47
And when I saw this scene, Anthony, I thought about you
01:12:52
because the scene starts out with Matt and men gambling
01:12:57
against each other. And Matt is losing like his lost
01:13:01
all his money to men. And all I can hear in my head is
01:13:05
Anthony talking about how he hates what they've done with
01:13:08
Matt's character because Matt is lucky as hell in the books.
01:13:12
And that's like one of the defining characteristics of who
01:13:16
he is. So but he's but he's gambling
01:13:19
with somebody who can see into the future.
01:13:23
Yeah, but like you said, I thought you could see people's
01:13:27
future, not necessarily inanimate objects, futures.
01:13:32
So I mean, it could just be that he's just a really bad gambler
01:13:35
because I think that's not the first time we've seen him
01:13:38
gambling in this show. And that's not the first time
01:13:40
we've seen him losing in gambling in this show.
01:13:43
Like, literally when he and Ran were in that town, weren't they
01:13:49
also gambling? And.
01:13:50
And so, yeah, this is not the first time that that we've seen
01:13:54
that with this character. But then men decide she was
01:13:57
like, OK, so we're going to stay here the night.
01:14:00
Let me go pay for the rooms. And she talks to the bartender
01:14:04
and she's basically like, yeah, so you're going to keep the
01:14:07
drinks coming so I can get him drunk enough to pass out.
01:14:11
You're going to put us in the attic with two beds.
01:14:14
And someone is going to come later on and ask for the same
01:14:17
room. That's who I'm supposed to be
01:14:18
here meeting. And so I was like, who is she
01:14:22
meeting? And then when she's asleep and
01:14:24
she wakes up, it's fucking Ishmael.
01:14:26
So I was like, OK, so is she. I was like, is she a dark
01:14:33
friend, that bitch? And then you figure out or you
01:14:38
find out exactly what's going on with her One they got hurt
01:14:43
because they told her, hey, if you just help us do this one
01:14:47
thing, just bring this boy here. We'll help you get rid of your
01:14:51
your powers because that's all she wants The the visions that
01:14:56
she's having. If you notice, she's always
01:14:59
envisioning someone's death or, or I'll fortune, we haven't any
01:15:05
of the visions that we've been shown that she's had.
01:15:09
They've always resulted in something bad.
01:15:11
We've never seen her have a vision of something good.
01:15:14
So this is a burden to her. And we also see that in her, her
01:15:18
dream or her vision reliving what her her family did to her.
01:15:23
They made her tell fortunes and she's having to literally sit
01:15:26
here day in and day out and tell people whatever it is they she
01:15:31
thinks they want to hear, but knowing the truth about what's
01:15:34
going to happen to them, I wouldn't want that either.
01:15:37
I don't want to see everybody's death.
01:15:39
I don't need to be burdened with that knowledge.
01:15:42
So, you know, somebody comes to me and say, hey, we'll take this
01:15:44
away from you. All you have to do is take this
01:15:46
boy from here to here. I probably would do it too,
01:15:49
without question. The problem is she didn't
01:15:53
question and now she's sitting across the table from a first
01:15:58
sake in who is basically telling her this is what you're going to
01:16:02
do. And when she says I'm not going
01:16:05
to help you hurt him, like that wasn't what I agreed to.
01:16:09
He's like, basically you agreed to whatever the fuck I told you
01:16:11
you were going to do in order for me to take away your powers
01:16:14
and oh, by the way, no refunds. So even when she's like, I don't
01:16:20
want to do this and more he's like, no, that's not how this
01:16:24
works. And you can see on her face that
01:16:27
she was like, oh, I'm fucked. So at that moment I felt sorry
01:16:30
for her because I can understand what will put her in a position
01:16:34
to say, hey, if he can take if, if they can take this away from
01:16:38
me, I'll do it. But of course, now that means
01:16:43
Leandrian is probably working with the Forsaken.
01:16:46
And I'm pretty sure Leandrian didn't communicate that back to
01:16:50
her. So again, Leandra with the
01:16:52
manipulation, Leandra with the the half truths and they're not
01:16:56
quite, you know, not quite lies. And now men is stuck in a
01:17:00
position where I don't know. He tells her to take Matt to a
01:17:06
city called Kyrian. And she's like, wasn't Kyrian.
01:17:10
He was like, none of your business.
01:17:11
You just don't do what I tell you to do.
01:17:12
Do what I tell you to. Do and now she's stuck.
01:17:16
She has like, I think she genuinely likes Matt as a
01:17:19
person, not necessarily romantic, but she's like, this
01:17:22
is a good person. He's a decent person.
01:17:25
I don't want to hurt him. But now you have no choice.
01:17:30
You are, you've been manipulated into it.
01:17:32
And I don't want to say she's a dark friend now, because I don't
01:17:37
know exactly what the qualifications of becoming a.
01:17:40
Dark, everybody. Everybody's a bad guy in this.
01:17:42
You're, you're kind of, you're kind of in the Yeah, you're kind
01:17:46
of the dark friend intern right now.
01:17:50
Yeah, dark friend and train DFIT, dark friend and training
01:17:54
and everybody's a bad guy in this.
01:17:56
I'm about sick of this shit. Like every time you turn around
01:17:58
there's somebody doing some shady shit and I'm just like,
01:18:01
who am I rooting for? Like I'm not not not.
01:18:05
There's a difference between people who are who are doing
01:18:10
things of their own volition and who are being manipulated or
01:18:14
coerced or. Yeah, yeah, they.
01:18:17
Will. Yeah, 'cause I was gonna say not
01:18:19
everybody's bad. Everybody has their own agendas
01:18:22
and everybody has their things that they're dealing with.
01:18:24
Really, I'm talking about the I've been thinking about this
01:18:27
for a while. Like they said this up kind of
01:18:29
saying that I said I are the good guys.
01:18:31
I'm like, from what I've seen, most of these guys, like they
01:18:35
walk a questionable line. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:18:38
We When do they say that? I made an assumption, OK.
01:18:41
Probably in the first episode he's talking about you.
01:18:43
You think? Oh.
01:18:44
OK. Because again, we talk.
01:18:46
We. That was how they frame it.
01:18:47
Yeah, we talked about this with something else that we discussed
01:18:51
recently. It's like when we were growing
01:18:53
up, stories had a villain, they had a hero, and there really
01:18:58
wasn't any in between. And now it's like as we've
01:19:02
gotten older, as we understand people's motivations more, we
01:19:07
understand what manipulation is about.
01:19:09
We understand that Gray area and we see that there really aren't
01:19:14
flat out heroes, flat out villains.
01:19:17
Like, yeah, you may have one or two, but everybody is not like
01:19:20
that. There's this this kind of Gray
01:19:23
area where most people fall into and it's not necessarily because
01:19:27
they want to do evil or because they want to do good.
01:19:30
It's usually there's circumstances that drive them to
01:19:33
go one way or the other. You know, oh, I'm going to help
01:19:36
this bad person because this person is threatening my family.
01:19:41
That doesn't make that person bad.
01:19:42
That makes that person very conflicted.
01:19:46
You know, you, you have things that are happening that you have
01:19:49
no control over and you feel like, OK, if I do this one
01:19:53
thing, then maybe I can save my my people not realizing that
01:19:58
that's almost never how it works.
01:20:01
And, and to be fair to Mike's point, to be fair to his point,
01:20:05
yeah, the first time we see Anasadiah's marine and she's
01:20:09
slaughtering trolleys. Yeah.
01:20:11
And you think, OK, she's good, you know?
01:20:13
But then you meet Leandrian and the Reds and they're torturing
01:20:17
this poor dude, you know? And it's kind of like, huh.
01:20:23
But also, too, the way that they framed it in that first episode
01:20:26
when we meet Leandra, they're framing it about the men being,
01:20:31
you know, the man who can channel them going mad.
01:20:35
And, oh, they're not supposed to do this.
01:20:37
And they're really making it seem like the men who are doing
01:20:41
that is evil. And what we learn is it's not
01:20:44
necessarily that they're able to channel.
01:20:47
And because of all this stuff that's happened before, it's
01:20:50
just gotten to the point where they're like, yeah, men channel
01:20:53
bad. And that's what we're given to
01:20:56
think. But like, even with even with
01:21:01
someone like Rand, who now we know can channel.
01:21:05
And in the first season, all of the examples we saw of him
01:21:08
channeling was him saving his friends, him saving the people
01:21:15
that he was with. Now in this season, the times
01:21:18
that we've seen him channeling is not necessarily all been
01:21:22
good. He beat up that.
01:21:25
He beat up that guy from the asylum.
01:21:28
No, that was good. I'll give him that one.
01:21:31
Beating him up was OK, but beating him up to the point of
01:21:35
almost death because you couldn't control the one the the
01:21:39
the one power that that's not good.
01:21:41
That's not good. So.
01:21:43
So we can transition into rain now.
01:21:45
Yeah, we can transition him, but like the the fire that he
01:21:49
started that granted that wasn't something he did on purpose, but
01:21:54
look at the damage it did, you know?
01:21:56
So if anybody else was in that house, he could have hurt
01:22:00
somebody. Now, we do find out at the end
01:22:03
of this episode that all of that stuff was again, manipulation.
01:22:07
Like this is another drinking game.
01:22:09
Every time somebody gets manipulated, every time we we
01:22:12
mention manipulate, we don't have to take a shot or something
01:22:16
because it's so prevalent with these characters and what
01:22:20
they're going through or what they're putting people through.
01:22:24
But I. Can't be doing all that.
01:22:26
Yeah, the fire, he and Celine, they end up leaving the Foregate
01:22:32
because he's feeling bad that he, you know, burned down her,
01:22:37
her in. This is her source of income.
01:22:40
She talks about leaving. Oh, I'm going to go stay in a
01:22:43
cabin in the mountains that my family used to own.
01:22:45
Why don't you come with me? And at first, he's not going to
01:22:47
go. And then, of course, you see
01:22:48
later on that he goes. And I was like, what is it about
01:22:52
this woman that just kind of has him by the walls?
01:22:57
Because I can see that she ain't right.
01:23:01
And this is even before we saw the beginning of this episode
01:23:05
where Ishmael was calling his servant landfill.
01:23:08
Soon as she started getting up, I said, oh, that's lame right
01:23:11
there. I bet you that's who that bitch
01:23:13
is. So even before we see her, we
01:23:15
know she's not good. And I'm sitting here like, why
01:23:19
can't Ran see it? But then he says one sentence
01:23:24
towards the end of the episode after the the fade finds them
01:23:28
and he and and he fights the fade and he uses the one power
01:23:32
to kill it. And she figures out that he can
01:23:35
channel and stuff. And she was like, why didn't you
01:23:38
tell me what you were? And he said, you are the first
01:23:43
woman who has seen me as a man. I didn't know how you would
01:23:46
react. And I was like, oh, that
01:23:50
actually does make sense. This is a young man, the only
01:23:53
person, the only other person he's ever loved.
01:23:55
He's literally loved since childhood.
01:23:59
She's the she's the first person who he's met who's looking at
01:24:04
him. Not as Ran from the Two Rivers,
01:24:06
not as Ran the possible Dragon Reborn, as whatever he has been.
01:24:14
She's looking at him completely new and this is, I think it's
01:24:18
literally a novelty for him because he's never had that
01:24:21
before. So I was like, OK, I can see now
01:24:25
how she's able to manipulate him because he's just looking for
01:24:30
acceptance. He's looking for love because
01:24:32
the people that he love, he doesn't have access to.
01:24:34
Now he's lonely, and she's using that to her full advantage.
01:24:39
I was like, OK. I mean, we don't know how long
01:24:43
because she probably I I feel like when when Ish Ishmael
01:24:50
summoned her did did they didn't put a time stamp on that, but
01:24:53
that but that had to have been before he before he knew before
01:24:57
he knew. No, because remember Ishmael was
01:25:02
locked up in that prison so this had to be after Rand let him
01:25:05
out. So yeah, that it only about
01:25:09
again, 5-6 months have passed. So he probably has known Celine,
01:25:13
maybe a little bit less than that, because I think the first
01:25:17
episode where we see her and they're talking, I think she
01:25:21
said something about two months. I guess two months they had been
01:25:24
messing around. Yeah.
01:25:26
So yeah, Celine. Probably knows who he is and
01:25:29
what he what's going on with. Him.
01:25:31
Oh she. She literally says as much at
01:25:34
the end of the episode. So.
01:25:37
After he after he fights the fade and with the one power and
01:25:43
she's acting so scared. Well, why didn't you tell me?
01:25:46
And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:25:47
And he's getting ready to leave because he was like, you know,
01:25:50
one thing I know for sure the men who can channel, they go mad
01:25:55
and they hurt the people that they love.
01:25:56
So I'm going to go far away from here.
01:25:57
She was like, are you saying that you love me?
01:26:00
I said, oh, here we go. This is the start of the
01:26:03
bullshit. So of course, he doesn't really
01:26:08
say, like, I love you, but he says that line about you're the
01:26:12
first person who see me as a man.
01:26:14
And you can kind of get that. He does love her.
01:26:18
Maybe not in love with her, but he does care about her.
01:26:21
He cares about her enough to not want to see her hurt.
01:26:24
So they go into this little cabin, You know, of course, she
01:26:28
starts trying to seduce him. She ties his arms to the bed.
01:26:31
I was like, this is not going the way the Ran thinks this is
01:26:35
about to go. She climbs on top of him and
01:26:39
what does she say to him? She said I have a secret too,
01:26:41
Rand. I'm a monster too.
01:26:43
He was like, what do you mean? And she starts shimmering, like
01:26:46
literally starts vibrating to the point where she looks like
01:26:49
she's shimmering and you can see his whole face change like what
01:26:52
the fuck is going on? What are you doing?
01:26:53
What's going on? No, that remind me of that scene
01:26:57
and I'm going to get you sucker, where he says that I'm not
01:26:59
really a a war hero. And Emory Johnson says, well, I
01:27:03
have a secret too. And she starts taking the wig
01:27:05
off and takes her arm off and takes her eye.
01:27:08
Yeah. Like, yo, that's too.
01:27:10
Yeah. Like that's too much
01:27:10
information. Like yo, I don't need to know
01:27:13
all this. Yeah.
01:27:15
Like damn. So she starts doing that and I'm
01:27:18
like, oh, this is about to not be good for Ran, and Ran is
01:27:22
looking. He's about to panic.
01:27:25
And then all of a sudden you see a fucking sword go through
01:27:27
Celine's chest. And I was like, who?
01:27:31
Here comes Moraine. I was like, oh, OK.
01:27:33
So she did sit down and have tea with her sister.
01:27:39
They didn't have a choice. So she she stabs Celine through
01:27:45
the chest and then she pulls her head back and she slashes her
01:27:50
throat and Rand is sitting here trying to figure out what the
01:27:54
fuck is going on. Did Moraine said, I really just
01:27:56
kill somebody? And so when when she cuts him
01:28:00
loose, of course he's mad because this is the woman that
01:28:03
he has literally just proclaimed love for on the ground, bleeding
01:28:07
out dead. And so he uses the one power to
01:28:11
kind of subdue Moraine. And he's really about to like
01:28:14
hurt her. I feel he was like, you killed
01:28:16
her. And she was like, it's not what
01:28:19
it seems. She was like, she's not dead,
01:28:22
but we have to get out of here now.
01:28:24
He was like, you literally just slit her throat.
01:28:26
She's she's like that. Wouldn't even that that's not
01:28:29
even leave a scratch. But this is what I need you to
01:28:32
understand. That is not slim.
01:28:34
That is land fear. She is Ishmael's basically his
01:28:39
right hand. She's his most powerful
01:28:41
Lieutenant and he let her out. We need to go and Ran is looking
01:28:46
at her and I guess I don't know, maybe something in the way her
01:28:51
face was because Lorraine looked scared as fuck.
01:28:54
She was scared. And he was looking like.
01:28:57
She's. Scared.
01:28:59
OK, Yeah. So she's like, we need to run
01:29:02
now. He picks up the sword.
01:29:04
He looks down at Celine, leaves. And then, of course, you know,
01:29:07
we're looking at Celine's dead face.
01:29:09
And then all of a sudden, her eyes closed.
01:29:11
I was like, yeah, I knew we couldn't trust this bitch.
01:29:15
Knew it. But I've been, like I said in
01:29:19
the last episode, 2 episodes ago, Rand, I understand you're
01:29:22
lonely. I understand you're missing your
01:29:23
folks. I'm gonna need you to keep it in
01:29:25
your pants and stop worrying about trying to get your rocks
01:29:28
off while people are looking for you trying trying to do whatever
01:29:32
like. He's the he's the epitome of
01:29:34
young, dumb and full of cum. It's like, brah, just it's just
01:29:39
easy for a second. Wow, this wow.
01:29:45
I'm just saying you haven't. I haven't said I haven't heard
01:29:47
that said in a while. I just had to bring it back up.
01:29:49
But but see, This is why every time I see every time I see
01:29:53
Rand, I just I get a headache because I know he about to be on
01:29:57
some bullshit and something's going to happen to him.
01:30:00
That might not be his fault, but it's going to happen to him and
01:30:02
I'm going to be like God. He he is a he is a naive farm
01:30:07
boy from the. 20 years old, Ben has barely lived life.
01:30:13
And this beautiful grown woman came on him.
01:30:19
I'm not saying that wouldn't do the same thing and that I
01:30:22
probably would be. I was about to say because I was
01:30:25
going to say don't lie, don't lie.
01:30:27
I will. I will not lie.
01:30:29
I'm not going to. I'm not going to, not maybe
01:30:30
going to fret. I'd probably be the same way if
01:30:32
I was out and about like roaming the world and this woman came on
01:30:36
to me and said, hey, I'm a bartender, I'll get you drunk
01:30:39
and get you drunk, fuck you and and give you a bed.
01:30:42
Cool. Right.
01:30:46
And. And and here's the thing.
01:30:49
Right. He's in a vulnerable state of
01:30:52
mind. Here it is.
01:30:53
You literally leave the girl you love and all of your friends
01:30:57
thinking you're about to go to the Eye of the World and have
01:31:00
this last battle with the Dark One and die.
01:31:03
Then you get to this last battle, realize it's not the
01:31:07
last battle at all, and you are not, you know you're not going
01:31:12
to die. You're actually setting the Dark
01:31:14
One free to roam the earth. Then you have to leave so that
01:31:21
everybody thinks you're dead, so that you don't put them in
01:31:23
danger. And then you're in this town all
01:31:26
by yourself. You're lonely, you're confused,
01:31:29
you're scared. He was vulnerable and she preyed
01:31:33
on that. So again, stop being so harsh on
01:31:37
Ran because he really doesn't have.
01:31:42
I don't even want to say the skill set to deal with all of
01:31:45
that, but this is a guy who just a few months ago was just a
01:31:51
happy go lucky teenager living his best life trying to honor
01:31:56
his friends at bell time and then Trollix come attack you and
01:32:01
your life is literally trauma trauma, trauma, chaos, chaos,
01:32:05
chaos. From that point on.
01:32:07
Cut him a little slack. That's that's just all I'm
01:32:10
saying. You're the.
01:32:12
Boy, that's that. But that scene where where Ivan
01:32:15
was reading the prophecy and she was tying his hands on the bed,
01:32:20
I was like, oh God, you. Turn into a horror movie real.
01:32:24
Quick yeah. I was like, I was like, Rand's
01:32:27
gonna. I was just going to lose an
01:32:29
appendage like something like or someone's gonna.
01:32:31
I was like, ran, run. I feel like Whoopi Goldberg.
01:32:35
And it goes like you in danger. Boy, you got to go.
01:32:39
I'm not going to lie, this just like the first time I watched
01:32:41
this episode, I I was not expecting in life to come
01:32:45
through her chest, that sword to come through her chest.
01:32:47
Listen. You just faked it the first time
01:32:50
and for even though I've seen the episode and they've seen it
01:32:52
several times, I still the Oh shit.
01:32:56
Yeah, same. I did the same thing because I
01:33:00
have forgotten. Like I said, it's been what,
01:33:03
two, 2 1/2 years since I've seen, yeah, literally since the
01:33:08
the second season release. So I haven't rewatched it.
01:33:12
So a lot of what's happening in the episodes, it's almost like
01:33:16
I'm watching it for the first time because I've, I've
01:33:19
forgotten. So going through all of that and
01:33:22
when she started tying his hand, I said, oh, I think I kind of
01:33:26
sort of remember what happened. I remember that she ended up
01:33:30
dead. It took me a minute to remember
01:33:33
that Moraine was the one that who did it.
01:33:36
When the sword came through the chest I was like where the hell
01:33:40
did sword come from? But then I thought about it when
01:33:42
they walked into the cabin after the whole thing with the fade,
01:33:46
they walked in hand in hand. He left his sword on the ground.
01:33:50
I was like round why the fuck are you leaving your sword
01:33:52
outside? Like literally something just
01:33:54
tried to kill you. Why are you leaving the sword
01:33:57
outside? But that's OK, 'cause Moraine
01:34:00
found that she used it for what she needed to use it for.
01:34:02
And he was. He was distracted.
01:34:04
Yeah, and now they're on the run, so I'm like, OK, well, at
01:34:08
least two of the Scooby gang are back together again.
01:34:13
We don't know what's about to happen with E Gwen and Naive
01:34:19
Karen seems to be doing a little bit so.
01:34:23
That's like Fred and. Shaggy.
01:34:24
Is that be like Fred and Shaggy of the Scooby Gang and then
01:34:31
parent? Parent will be Scooby.
01:34:34
Oh my God no. Hopper will be Scooby.
01:34:37
I'm operating a dog. OK, but anyway, where was I?
01:34:40
I'm still. Confused right now?
01:34:44
Parent isn't a dog either. OK, he's a werewolf.
01:34:48
I'm sorry. Let me get back.
01:34:49
To him, Oh my God. They can't make that square pig
01:34:57
feet in the round hole you just can't do.
01:35:00
It he's gonna keep trying. You just might.
01:35:02
It's literally. Just fun.
01:35:03
Now I'm just like I I thought you I got I'm going to be
01:35:07
honest. I've already I accepted it by by
01:35:11
the first time we first time we tried to do it there by episode
01:35:13
2, I was just like, I already accepted he's not a werewolf.
01:35:15
It's just fun watching you guys hit your forehead and be like,
01:35:18
God damn it, Mike, stop it. I think you're just looking for
01:35:23
an excuse to have a drinking game.
01:35:26
Just I don't mean excuse. As you're drinking your wine out
01:35:31
of your water bottle like. No, that's that's, that's a
01:35:36
shaking vitamin thingy. There's vitamins and minerals in
01:35:40
there. Oh, OK.
01:35:41
So so so me and this got Matt going somewhere and we got my
01:35:48
knee, Elaine and. Duane.
01:35:51
Duane knocked out. And probably going somewhere we
01:35:56
just. Don't know Rand and Marine in
01:35:59
the wind going somewhere so you know, typically like how shows
01:36:04
are written, they must all be headed to the same place.
01:36:08
That's. Also, because we are halfway
01:36:10
through the 2nd, so we, we got to get some kind of meet up
01:36:16
convergence, whatever you want to call it.
01:36:17
But you know, I just thought about something, and I don't
01:36:20
know if this is a memory tickle in my head or if it's something
01:36:24
that I thought about when I was first watching this episode.
01:36:29
So Leandron comes in, she's talking about the war in the
01:36:33
West, right? She's talking about the Sean
01:36:35
Chan. What do the Sean Chan have that
01:36:41
Leandron just knocked out three of or maybe 2 1/2?
01:36:48
Yeah, we haven't exact. We haven't seen whether or not
01:36:51
Elaine can channel yet or not. But I'm like, is she about to go
01:36:56
make a trade? What is she about to go do?
01:36:59
But the fact that she sent men on this mission with Matt, and
01:37:07
the person who men was supposed to meet was Ishmael, and the
01:37:12
fact that Ishmael is right now seated at the right hand or the
01:37:16
left hand of the Sean Chan leader.
01:37:19
Now I'm wondering, OK, is Leandran a part of this mess?
01:37:27
That because that's too, there's too many dots that are
01:37:31
connecting. That's too much 6° of
01:37:34
separation, you know, connecting.
01:37:40
Yeah, because lady, lady Sarah, obviously Ishamael is
01:37:46
manipulating everything. Obviously he's he's got he's got
01:37:53
man fear with Ren men with Matt. He's already spoken to parents,
01:37:59
so he knows what he he already got his fingers on pairing and
01:38:04
and. Manic Wayne and 90 were the only
01:38:07
two. Yeah, so and, and again,
01:38:10
Leandron ties into men and Matt, she ties into naive Annie Gwain.
01:38:17
So it sounds like you're saying she working for Ishmael?
01:38:20
I kind of figure she might be because all like with everything
01:38:27
that's going on here in the city.
01:38:30
Oh yeah, Because the deal that men had was with Leandron and
01:38:35
he's based. Like, who do you think was going
01:38:37
to do it right? Yeah.
01:38:40
So she has to be. Yeah, yeah, because with all the
01:38:44
stuff that's happening in Tarbell on right now and in on
01:38:48
that side of the country, why are you your one little I said I
01:38:53
why are you worried about what's happening all the way across on
01:38:56
the other side of the world? You know what's fun about this?
01:39:00
Knowing everything that's going to happen like even in the books
01:39:04
and in this show, this is it's it's still kind of hard to talk
01:39:08
about the show and, and well. According to you, they don't.
01:39:13
They don't necessarily follow it so.
01:39:16
They they don't, but they're they're keeping a lot of this,
01:39:20
this. Well, I only want a spirit.
01:39:22
They're keeping some of the threads the same.
01:39:26
OK, some of the a lot of the the threads are are still the same.
01:39:30
The characterizations are a little weird.
01:39:32
It's certainly Andrew. This is the Bitch is evil and
01:39:38
nobody likes her, but you know she's a.
01:39:42
Bitch, she's a bitch. Yeah, the characterizations are
01:39:45
often now that I I got the fact that they're just trying to give
01:39:48
them depth and not have them just be one note characters, it
01:39:52
kind of makes it makes sense. But they're they're all still
01:39:57
serving the same purpose and doing the same stuff.
01:40:02
Yeah. And it it's hard like is is
01:40:05
obvious, like Leandro is working for Ishmael and men kind of that
01:40:10
whole men thing makes it obvious.
01:40:13
But it's hard as as a book reader to not be yelling out
01:40:16
loud. The problem with Leandro, you
01:40:20
know, is really hard. It's really hard.
01:40:24
Yeah, I I can understand, and I'm saying this as a non book
01:40:28
reader. Like there's certain things like
01:40:31
at first when we're introduced to her character, she just seems
01:40:35
to be ambitious and single focused.
01:40:39
Like, OK, I just want to get rid of the Men Who channel.
01:40:42
That's all I care about. But now we're starting to see,
01:40:45
like you said, a little more depth to her character because
01:40:48
if she is, whether it's just working with Ishmael to do
01:40:54
whatever it is she's trying to do, or if she's a dart, if she's
01:40:57
a dart friend, I have questions about that.
01:41:01
Because then you got to figure out how the hell is an ICID I,
01:41:06
someone who literally had to take oaths to become an ICID I,
01:41:10
how do you become a dart friend? I'm sure we'll probably explore
01:41:13
that in some of the later episodes, especially once we
01:41:18
confirm what is going on with Leandro, because it could be
01:41:23
that she's not a dark friend. She could be, she could be
01:41:27
trying to manipulate Ishmael. I mean, we don't know.
01:41:31
She can have a deal to save. She can also have a deal to save
01:41:34
her son. To save her son.
01:41:36
So we don't know what her motivation is yet.
01:41:39
I'm sure we'll find out pretty soon.
01:41:41
And I'm sure if if it's in keeping with her character,
01:41:44
she's probably still going to be a bitch.
01:41:46
She's probably being a deceitful bitch.
01:41:48
And we're just, you know, yeah, but halfway through the season
01:41:54
already. So, yeah.
01:41:57
And I, I will say this, even though, yes, we, we got more
01:42:02
information about what's going on with the individual
01:42:05
characters. Again, kind of like you,
01:42:07
Anthony, we need to start picking this up.
01:42:09
We need to start picking this up because again, I think for this
01:42:14
story, most of the interesting things happen when they're all
01:42:19
together. That's when shit really starts
01:42:23
popping off. So I need, I need Moraine and
01:42:26
Land to figure out their thing, if that's a thing to figure out.
01:42:31
I need the five friends from the Two Rivers to kind of come back
01:42:36
together and, and whatever. Yeah, but but like you said, I
01:42:41
feel like they probably are all being pushed in the same
01:42:46
direction. At least we know Matt and Matt
01:42:50
and men are probably going to end up somewhere near Perrin
01:42:54
because Ishmael's very specifically told men take him
01:42:58
to Karian. Why would he tell her to take
01:43:01
him to a specific city if he didn't have plans for something
01:43:07
happening in that city? Now, whether or not he has plans
01:43:10
for Matt, I don't know, because at this point Matt seems
01:43:14
harmless to everybody. He was probably the most
01:43:16
harmless out of the whole group because he hasn't had contact
01:43:20
with the dagger. We know he can't channel and he
01:43:26
literally has had nothing to do. So he's at the moment the least
01:43:30
dangerous of them all, which means he's probably the most
01:43:33
dangerous of them all because that means that they're going to
01:43:35
do something later on that just kind of.
01:43:39
Then it, then then Ishmael have the dagger right now where's the
01:43:43
dagger? Or this?
01:43:45
Ishmael, I think, Oh no, Pat and fame had well, but but again,
01:43:51
OK, that's another thread that ties because we saw Pat and fame
01:43:54
with Ishmael at the beginning of the season.
01:43:57
Yeah, so. So I mean, there there's still a
01:44:00
chance that someone could with the knife can get close to Matt
01:44:03
and Matt can can start like getting that, getting that itch
01:44:07
and trying to try to steal it from him again and shit.
01:44:13
Yeah, Yeah, Chris. What was Chris Frank in New Day
01:44:16
City? It keeps calling me.
01:44:21
It's calling me. OK, yeah, I mean, but see this
01:44:27
is what this one. They did in.
01:44:29
This one they did in the first season when Matt, when Matt
01:44:31
first got the dagger, it's like all of them scattered and
01:44:34
separated and they had to be drawn back together into another
01:44:37
thing that's like. I will say, if this if this is
01:44:40
the pattern that shows on the tape, you're going to have a
01:44:42
problem. What as far as being?
01:44:45
Together and then at the end of the season, split them up and
01:44:48
then spend the whole season, bring them back together.
01:44:50
Then next season split them up. No.
01:44:54
Oh wait, that's that's what happens in the books.
01:44:57
Never mind. What you say you take it back.
01:45:01
I'll take it back, OK. That's that's supposed to
01:45:04
happen, yeah. OK, well, I think we talked
01:45:08
about everything. Did we leave anybody out?
01:45:13
Low low gain for a second, but he's alright.
01:45:16
Yeah, low gain. Just low gain.
01:45:18
Just realized that Moraine manipulated him being there
01:45:21
because she basically wants him to train Rand.
01:45:25
Yeah, of all fucking. What?
01:45:30
See this is This is why I have trust issues.
01:45:33
It's like you got Moraine trusting a man who damn near
01:45:37
killed all the Isodai he was around when he channeled but he
01:45:41
can't tell anymore. But she wants him to teach Ran
01:45:44
all he knows about channeling. I'm like, like, of all people.
01:45:49
What I mean, it makes sense. Though, and and that's the only
01:45:54
person she got. Yeah.
01:45:57
Someone has to teach them. Yeah.
01:45:59
Now let me ask you a question. Is the way that men channel
01:46:04
different from the way women channel?
01:46:06
Like would Moraine or any of the ice and I be able to train ran
01:46:10
if that was the case? I mean, I know they are.
01:46:13
OK, OK. That's what I wanted.
01:46:15
To I'm just going to say. Now OK.
01:46:20
Yeah, it it's often been described like men channeling
01:46:25
men is like, it's like a hammer. Women Chung is like a scout.
01:46:30
Ah. OK, OK.
01:46:34
The the way they draw cause siding and Sidar is two sides of
01:46:39
the one power, but they're they're different.
01:46:41
OK. And if I remember, men are
01:46:43
strong in fire. Obviously we've seen rain, like
01:46:49
all he does is fire. Yeah.
01:46:52
Fire in Earth, and I think women are that that spirit and air,
01:47:01
something like that. OK.
01:47:04
But yeah, they're they a woman cannot teach a man channel
01:47:11
because they the way they do it is totally different.
01:47:14
OK. Even how it's described, like
01:47:18
picturing a blood, a bud in the bud blossoming, you know for the
01:47:22
women, how they. Like Alana?
01:47:25
Right. For for men, I can talk about
01:47:29
this because he wasn't included, but when Tam Alfour was teaching
01:47:33
Ran how to shoot arrows, he talked about focusing on a flame
01:47:41
and trying to focus in on that flame.
01:47:43
And that's that is like how Ran sort of perceived telling.
01:47:50
OK, OK, now I have a question. I don't know it it if it might
01:47:54
be spoilery towards the show then don't answer it.
01:47:57
But I have a question. As far as book characterizations
01:48:02
go in the books, does Tam know that Rand is special in that he
01:48:08
can channel? Does he have an idea?
01:48:12
No. OK, OK.
01:48:14
He just knows he's IEO. OK, OK.
01:48:19
All right. Anybody have final thoughts,
01:48:23
Mike? You got some shout outs you want
01:48:24
to do? Alright, shouting and Eve coming
01:48:27
in to talk to a Gwen. She went went into Elaine's room
01:48:32
and she was like, yeah, give us a minute.
01:48:35
You give us a moment. She's like, this is my room.
01:48:39
Gave her gave her the bombastic side eye and she was like, oh,
01:48:43
and this is my glass. I need to clean.
01:48:45
I'll be back. Now he gave her that, like I
01:48:50
said what I said. But he's getting the hang of
01:48:54
being being like behave of having that see this, this is
01:48:57
what I need needed. She needed that little one up.
01:49:00
It's like be and have people recognize that one up where
01:49:04
she's like, OK, I'll just wait. This is oh, then she gives me
01:49:08
that look and that look has a little bit of oomph to it.
01:49:11
You know I damn. If I was accepted, I'd be
01:49:15
looking in now. You like that bitch don't even
01:49:16
channel. I should be in a snippet.
01:49:20
No, because if you think about it, the the word has gotten out
01:49:25
that she channeled inside the arches because the the warder
01:49:29
and training said something to her about it.
01:49:32
So yeah. You supposed to take her word
01:49:33
for it? You supposed to take her word
01:49:35
for it. This came to channel.
01:49:37
And you see her when they thought she was dead.
01:49:40
She come to youth classes and they asked her to do the
01:49:42
simplest things and she can't even do it.
01:49:45
Oh, I'm starting not to believe anything they say.
01:49:47
About that. But then here's the other thing.
01:49:50
I think we talked about this in the last episode.
01:49:52
If you remember, out of her second, her second trial, she
01:49:56
actually walked out with objects when technically speaking,
01:50:02
according to what they know about The Archers, she shouldn't
01:50:04
have been able to do that. So yeah, three people are
01:50:07
looking at her. But she didn't.
01:50:08
She didn't walk out of The Archers or anything.
01:50:10
That was part of the vision. I still have to go, I still have
01:50:17
to go back and I still have to go back and look and see if if I
01:50:21
feel like that's what happened. That is what happened.
01:50:23
She was still inside 'cause they were sitting there out there
01:50:27
waiting. I guess she ain't coming back.
01:50:32
No, no again. If I wasn't accepted I'll be
01:50:37
questioning the sisters about this woman that y'all keep
01:50:41
claiming is the most powerful channeler we've seen in 1000
01:50:46
years and she can't even handle. Well here's the thing, they know
01:50:54
that she can channel when it when it's needed the most and
01:51:00
they know how. Like you literally brought
01:51:03
people back from the brink of death.
01:51:05
I don't care, I don't care. Only because they can't lie.
01:51:08
That's the only reason why. Because anybody handful lies
01:51:11
that I've seen them do it. Anybody.
01:51:14
Handful. The only.
01:51:16
Person they. Seen that was Moraine and seen
01:51:18
even the tower. That's OK.
01:51:21
That's one of the reasons why the other accepted need to mind
01:51:24
a fucking business. Mind the business that pays you
01:51:27
and IT ain't 90s. You sure these bitches can't lie
01:51:31
because they ain't seen that cheap channel now one time she
01:51:34
can't heal nothing. She can't make the water clean,
01:51:38
she can't drink nothing. She.
01:51:40
Over here drinking dirty water, I saw her.
01:51:42
I saw her drink dirty water. I saw.
01:51:43
Her she would rather drink dirty water than channel.
01:51:47
She channeled in. She channeled in four dollar
01:51:54
$4.00. There you go.
01:51:57
So the only people who saw that was her friend and the woman who
01:52:01
did. That's it.
01:52:04
OK. The channel.
01:52:06
I ain't seen her. I ain't seen her move.
01:52:09
Not them. That's.
01:52:10
OK, like I said, they need to mind the business that pays
01:52:13
them. What's that show Witcher?
01:52:16
That's like the Witcher. You got these, these cheats.
01:52:19
They think they got all this magic and they can't do nothing.
01:52:24
She was traumatized. You leave Jennifer alone.
01:52:27
She was traumatized. Look, I would go look, I would
01:52:32
go. I would go 10 toes down for
01:52:35
Jennifer. You better get off her.
01:52:37
I think I think our references have have come to an end, but.
01:52:41
You know what, we we used to do that a lot.
01:52:43
We haven't done it in a while. So yeah, I, I, I'm happy.
01:52:48
I'm happy. Oh, I'm sorry, I I cut off
01:52:51
Mike's shout outs. Is it just me or is now that I
01:52:56
know Moraine's background does, is Evelyn kind of reminding
01:53:01
anyone else of Moraine? Like it's, it's, is it possible
01:53:05
that she could be, I mean, Elaine, not Evelyn, Elaine.
01:53:11
Oh, OK. Like, like, I don't know, maybe
01:53:15
it's just me. It's just I, I, I see kind of a
01:53:18
like coming from moderate reasonable wealth or knowing
01:53:22
like like a better life than most other people.
01:53:27
Yeah, I must say. You know.
01:53:29
Yeah, I can. I can kind of see her having
01:53:32
similar traits to Moraine, but again, we don't really know much
01:53:37
about her character except that she is the daughter heir of the
01:53:43
country and she seems to have taken and I don't even want to
01:53:48
know if I want to say an unusual interest in E Gwen.
01:53:52
But it's like has she even talked to any of the other
01:53:55
novices there? Because all we ever see her with
01:53:59
Izzy Gwen. So I I don't know, I.
01:54:03
Didn't want to talk to her because they know that she's the
01:54:05
daughter heir and they're like I don't want to be around that.
01:54:08
Is she? I mean, especially her first day
01:54:11
you see me them all bringing all those back boxes.
01:54:14
Uh huh. Yeah.
01:54:15
She's. I mean, she thought she thought
01:54:16
that Gwen was one of her servants.
01:54:17
Like, OK, just put the pillow over there.
01:54:19
Thank you. Yeah.
01:54:20
And Graham was like, I wish that would have been.
01:54:23
I wish that would have been naive.
01:54:24
Naive would have hit her with the pillow.
01:54:26
It'd been a pillow fight Without what?
01:54:29
Yeah, but OK. Alright.
01:54:34
Any final thoughts? Final final thoughts.
01:54:36
No, I ain't got nothing. I'm just going to keep talking
01:54:38
to me because I I still believe my dog parents, the werewolf,
01:54:41
but just just going and. You know what?
01:54:43
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