#thewheeloftime The quintet from the Two Rivers are all facing challenges. Nynaeve faces her trials in The Arches, where she must face the fears of her past, present, and future. Perrin is forced to bow to the rule of the Seanchan, where one of their number takes a particular interest in him. Egwene tests the limits of her abilities when she refuses to accept a major loss. Mat is suspicious when Liandrin makes a generous offer. Rand seeks guidance from a familiar face.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing season 2, Episode 3
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of the Wheel of Time series. And all I'm going to say is the
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the annoyance and the disdain I have had for I need the past two
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episodes because she was angry and getting on my nerves.
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All is forgiven. All is forgiven because Oh my
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God, why would y'all put that girl through what y'all put her
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through in this episode? Why would you put me through
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what you put me through in this episode?
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Real quick, did anybody actually think that she was not coming
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back through that arch after the third trial when she saw him?
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What's his? Name when she when she fell into
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his arms and melted into him. Yeah, and she saw the door for a
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second and it paid that. I was like.
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Yeah, because I was like, she didn't see it as clearly then.
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And at first, I was kind of. Like clearly either.
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Yeah, yeah. But I, I wondered about that
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because I was like, OK, so is it just that whatever this arch is,
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whatever her fear is that she has to face in this arch, is it
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like, is it dampening her senses so she can't hear it?
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Like it's, it's really luring her in and pulling her in, or
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was she willingly ignoring it? And I don't think it was after I
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watched it the second time, I was like, yeah, I really think
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she had gotten to the point where she saw Land.
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And, you know, she's outside. She has said the body, Gwen.
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I really think she thought that that was what her path was.
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So why would she think that she's hearing something or maybe
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see something if she thinks she's already out, You know?
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And I was just sitting there, like, OK, so she's going to be
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with Land. And at some point, she's going
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to realize this is, you know, this is not real.
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And then when we see her later on in episode, years have gone
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by, They have a child. They have a child that's
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walking, talking, running around.
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And I was just like, oh. She's like, everybody's happy
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and seemingly healthy mentally and physically.
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Like Matt's actually mentally fine.
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I'm like, that's your first clue.
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I'm like. No, no, Her first clue.
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Her first clue was when she asked Lynn about the bond and he
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didn't answer. Yeah.
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He didn't say a word. He didn't say it was masked, he
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didn't say it was broken. He just gave her a look.
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Yeah, he didn't even say Maureen is dead.
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He just said that should be. And like, this man is the king
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of Malachir. He was going to drop everything
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and come with you. He has sworn to slaughter every
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single trolley in the world. And he just going to be like,
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yeah, I'm just going to come be a Baker.
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Really. Yeah.
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Making making making rid of those.
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Things Honey cakes. Honey cakes.
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Yeah, with his long trees, he's. Making pastries with his long
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flowing hair and. He Yeah, I.
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Ain't gonna have have long ass land hairs in my damn honey
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cakes. Like what the hell?
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Pin that shit up that shit. Where's where's where's OSHA
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when you fucking need them? I need I.
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I need right, But she said she. I know it probably was because
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that's what she in her heart, that's what she wants.
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So they were you. So The Archers was giving it to
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her. Yeah.
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And then not only that, it's like the first two trials that
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she went through in the 1st 2 arches, you know, Mike's version
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of the the Christmas Carol. You know, she she had heartbreak
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in the first one because she had to relive the attack on her
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parents and her parents being killed.
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And then in the second one, she had to not even relive, but it's
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kind of like she's being reminded of what she's missing
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at home and what she's not there to be able to help do.
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Because apparently, and I don't know if this is actual fact or
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not, because we don't know, but apparently a fever tore through
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the Two Rivers after they left and everybody got sick,
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including Rand's dad. And she's sitting there looking
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like I can help heal this, the acid, I can fix this.
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And Matt's mom, who is acting as wisdom in her place, she was
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like, we wrote to the acid I months ago and they haven't
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responded. Now, granted, I realized that
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may not be what's actually happening in the Two Rivers, but
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that's where her mind is taking her because she was like, this
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is where I'm supposed to be. I'm supposed to be.
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I'm supposed to be there helping her.
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But I was like, yeah, it can't be with because at first, when I
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first watched this episode, I thought that maybe she had been
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transported to the Two Rivers to kind of go through whatever it
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is. And then I was like, no, because
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none of them would be blaming her for leaving.
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Because the last thing anybody knew, she got drugged off by a
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trolley. And it's supposed to be dead,
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right? Didn't.
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Didn't didn't Rand's dad get killed too?
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No, no, he didn't get killed. He got, he got injured.
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He's injured. But they were able, you know.
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Yeah, he was still alive when they all left the Two Rivers I.
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Remember him fighting the trolley in his in their in their
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little house but I couldn't remember if he got it.
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For some reason I thought he got killed.
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But no, he he got seriously injured, but Ran brought him
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down to the village. So I think naive, well, not
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naive, but Dwayne's mother was hoping to take care of him when,
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when they left the Two Rivers. But yeah, so I, I think for her,
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she had pain in the first one, she had pain in the second one.
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And I think by the time she got through the third one, and I
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think it was, no, it was also the second one.
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I think because she was having, I don't know what it was because
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I, it was flashing so quickly. I know that there was a vision
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of her as a red Asha. I do know that.
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I do know that LAN was in there, and when she came out, she was
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covered in blood. She had a dag.
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I think she had a dagger in one hand and she had some of LAN.
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I think Lan's braids or Lan's hair in a nap.
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She had his, his, I forgot what it's called, but his thing that
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is around his head, that represents who he is.
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And I think when she came out of that and she was trying to
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figure out what happened, she was like, why don't I remember?
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Why don't I remember? I think that fear for her was
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that she would become like Leandrin.
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She would hate men, and then she would kill land.
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And that was the fear because that's not what she wants.
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And I was like, when she got to see him in the third one and he
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was alive and he was healthy and he was still there for her.
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And he was like willing to go back to the Two rivers and and
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live with her. I think at that point she just
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clocked out. She was like, OK, I don't give a
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fuck if this is real or fake. I've had enough of pain.
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And then if you, I mean, think about it, she's dealing with the
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pain in the arches. And then she also had to deal
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with pain in the real world because Rand is gone, Parent is
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gone, Matt is gone as as far as she knows that Gwen has this New
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Girl that she's, you know, becoming chummy with.
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And, you know, talking about how naive is making things difficult
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for her, even though she what she heard was heard out of
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context. But still, I think she just got
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to a point where she was like, you know what, I'm done.
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I'm just I'm gonna go live my life and make cute mixed babies
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and and make honey cakes and have my friends and and be good.
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So it's so was this all one trial?
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They're three separate trials. Each arch is a trial.
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Yeah, but they almost seem like they're together, like they all
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like, ran as one trial. Like in the show, it made it
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seem like she goes in, comes back up, then she goes in, comes
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back out. But when I finally realized at
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the end that she was stuck in there when she saw land, I was
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like, wait a minute. It kind of seemed like it's like
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she went in once, went through three trials and then came out
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at when it was supposed to go and go through, go through the
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trials and then come out when she was done.
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You see, I'm saying. Yes.
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So I I think what happened with that third trial, like I said,
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she she went in, she saw the vision of herself as the red
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Asha killed land. She thought she came out and I
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think that was part of the IT it, it was kind of, it's kind of
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like I'm trying to think, have you seen Divergent?
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No. OK, so that that analogy would
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be lost on you, but I I think it's it's kind of like.
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OK, why? Why are you thinking?
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Why are? You thinking Inception?
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It's kind of like Inception. Yeah, that's.
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What I was getting to, yeah, I was definitely getting an
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Inception vibe too. Like, yeah, it's kind of like
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you think you think you're done, you think you've conquered
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whatever the fear is or whatever.
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But the true fear is. And I don't know, maybe for her
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the fear was being able to live a happy life because I think she
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may want that. But at the same time, I think
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there's a part of her that is curious as to what she can
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achieve as a channeler, maybe not as an isodide, because I
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think the isodide have too many rules for her and they're too
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stringent. And I don't I, I really just
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don't think that would be a good fit for her.
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But I think maybe that was the fear for her.
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Like, OK, let me throw off this responsibility to, you know, the
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eyes to die to my other friends. I'm going to go live my life and
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I'm just going to be happy. And I'm not going to think about
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anybody else. So the these tangrial, the
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arches, to be to be honest, they are they kind of mention it, but
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they really don't know what the purpose of them are.
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Because when the world broke, everything was kind of lost and
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a lot of the knowledge was forgotten.
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So a lot of the things they've learned through trial and error,
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this is talked about. They've lost a lot of sisters
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since they're bringing themselves out trying to figure
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this stuff out. Yeah.
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So the arches, we're not sure if you're seeing what's actually
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happened or actually happening. It could be alternate reality
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that you're being shown. Another turning of the wheel or
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something? Another turning of the wheel
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right that you're you're stepping into the stepping into
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the place where you were or a version of you was right and
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experiencing that. But I think for her, because the
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arches do kind of reach into you to show you things, it seems
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that it was showing her her past when she needs to let go.
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Like she's holding on to the the guilt that she has about her
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parents or, or having lost them the way that she did or not
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being able to protect them, you know, not being strong enough to
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do anything to help them. Or them dying because they were
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protecting her. Protecting her.
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She needs to let go of that in the prison.
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She needs to stop worrying about what's happening in her land
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because she has more important things to do.
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She needs to let go of that because the bigger problem, the
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bigger issue is something that's going to affect everyone.
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She needs to be more concerned about that.
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And that is concerned about a plague going on in her village
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because she's she, she's bigger than that.
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And then the future. Stop trying to think about what
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your future is. She needs to let that go as
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well. She has, she wants to have a
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future land. Stop worrying about that.
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You have things that you need to concentrate on now or else the
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beginning of the vision shows you you won't have one.
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Because I don't think really, I kind of disagree with you.
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That was a vision of her killing land.
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She may have been that we died or been a part of whatever was
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happening, whatever fight was going on.
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But the point is, if you don't focus on what you need to do,
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this bigger thing you're part of, then the future doesn't
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matter anyway because you're not going to get what you want,
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right? So I think all of these are
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really about her. And I think a lot of the Azadite
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who go through these or the the novices who go through, if they
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can't let go of those things, then they can't make an effect
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of Azadite because the work they do is for everyone, you know,
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not for yourself. So it's almost like, it's almost
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like the the arch is kind of mercy killing them because if
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they went came back and they still held on to these things
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that it would be an impediment that could kill them anyway.
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It could lead to their death. It could it could stunt their
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growth, their power. I mean, who knows what they
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could burn themselves out. You know, they they won't be
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used. They won't be of use to the ice
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dot, right? Yeah, because if you notice how
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they all operate, especially when rain, it's really not about
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them. It's about trying to get
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everything prepared for what's coming.
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As much as as much as the Reds are terrible, the Reds do have
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the same philosophy. We need to prepare for time and
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guidance. We need to cage the dragon and
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use him as a weapon. As simple as that.
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And men are distraction. Yes, men get in the way of that
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ultimate goal. Yeah.
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Boys is basically the grown, the grown up version of Boys are
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stupid. Throw rocks at him.
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Yeah, yeah. But it's it's like I get all
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that and it's like because I'm looking at that scene now where
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the door comes when she's with land, it says the door will open
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but once and she's talking to Elaine, she's not even looking
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back at the door till it till it goes away 'cause.
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She can't barely, she can't really hear it.
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And she says she was like, I thought I heard something.
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Yeah, it's not like the in the other two.
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It was very clear to her, like she heard it the first time she
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heard the door appearing. And because Lamb was in front of
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her, she just. Ignore it.
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And she even says, I don't know this, this feels like a dream.
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Or for a second they feel like a dream.
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Yeah, woman. Yeah, I think if she had turned
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around and seen that door, she would have realized that.
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And I think maybe unconsciously, she was like, Nope, not turning
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around her. What?
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No, that was just the whisper on the wind.
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I'm not, I'm, I'm focused right here.
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Which, you know, I know that that's not where she needs to be
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right now, but I was just like, just let her have happiness for
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just a second. She did, she did.
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She had it for a second. One second she.
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Didn't I know I mean and she and it was when she walked up to the
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house and the little girl came I was like oh this is going to be
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even more painful then it would have been if she had just left
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land outside of Tarva line. And when, when the Trollix came
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through and you know, you literally see her having to
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repeat with her daughter what her, what her parents had to do
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with her, you know, put the baby in the cellar.
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Don't come out and let you know, don't come out no matter what
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you hear. And then she goes outside.
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Matt is dead parent is dead Land.
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She, I mean, she literally watches land get killed in front
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of her. And then the little girl comes
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out and then the door shows up and she's got to make this
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decision to go through the door 'cause that's what she realized.
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OK, this is not real. She's like, Nope, I'm not
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leaving my child behind. Especially when Trollix are
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coming. It's like, I don't care if
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that's an imaginary daughter, if it's a fake daughter, what, how?
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However you want to term it, I'm not leaving my child behind for
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the Trollix because she doesn't know what's going to happen to
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that world when she goes through those doors.
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So she was like, no, I'm taking my child with me.
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When she went through that arch and she came out the other side
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and the child was gone. I remember the first time I
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watched this episode, I lost it. And then watching it today, it
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just hit me again, 'cause I was like, you know, even though
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she's only been gone literally a few hours in real time, she's
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lived years in this, this other world of hers.
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So that life was real to her. That child was real to her.
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And for you to come through this arch and that girl is gone like
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she never existed. And you know, in that moment
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that for everybody else, she didn't exist.
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I just felt so bad for her. And I was just like, man, we
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thought she was upset before. Yeah, I can't even imagine how
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she's going to be now, because she's had a taste of that life.
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She's had a taste of that reality.
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She's not going to want to stay in Tarvilan now.
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She's not going to want to stay in the Tower.
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No, she don't. She going to do the same thing
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she did at the beginning of that third trial when she came back
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through after she thought she killed somebody.
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She'll be like, fuck the ass and die.
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Fuck the White Tower, fuck the ambulance.
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See, I'm going back to the Two Rivers.
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I don't want anything to do with this because she she literally
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is going to have to have time to mourn now.
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Well, you I I will give writers credit for this because this is
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moving her closer towards how she is in the book.
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Oh, OK. So everything you said.
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OK, yeah, but I mean I. That that attitude that she has
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because she carries that attitude to her all the way
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through the book. Yeah, but at least with this
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episode, you kind of get to see I guess the root, the foundation
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of it because really she does not want to be there.
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She has never wanted to be there.
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She has never wanted to be an ice to die, you know, didn't
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even know she could channel. Then once she knew she could
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channel, she was like, I still don't want this.
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She wants, I think for Naive, she wants a simple life.
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She wants to be able to go back to being a wisdom, she wants to
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go back to her village, she wants to be able to heal people.
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She wants to be able to just hang with her friends, have a
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life. I don't think she cares about
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the politics and all this other stuff that the Isodai are so
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firmly rooted in. And I can understand that if if
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you all you want is a simple life and you're being dragged
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into all of this other stuff and being told you have a higher
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purpose, you're the most powerful channeler in 1000
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years. That automatically means we
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expect good things for you. And she's like, I don't want any
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of this. Yeah, but the wheel, the wheel
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weaves as the wheel. Wheels.
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And no matter what she wants, there is a bigger purpose for
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her. And that's what the arts was
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trying to show her. You are bigger than the two
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rivers. You're more important than that
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place. And that's that's what the Wheel
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is trying to show her. I know.
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And, and it's unfortunate, but, but The thing is sometimes,
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sometimes if you go along with the program, if you go along
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with the program, you will be rewarded.
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Yeah, that's how it works in fantasy novels.
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People who fight their fate and fight destiny, they have the
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problems. Yeah.
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But as soon as they realize, you know what, let me just go along
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with it. As soon as they do that, they
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start getting rewards. Yeah.
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But of course, we can see, we can see that being on the
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outside looking in, it's. Hard when your child disappears,
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when you walk the guards. Yeah, that moment, you know,
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that that that was tough. And it was also tough when when,
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oh, I forget that Blues name. And she was telling E Gwaine
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that, oh, she's dead. And then?
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Oh, is it? Sis.
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What is her name or Sharon? Sherene, Sherene.
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Sherene Sharium. Sharium.
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I think that's it. Sharium and Elaine is like, Oh
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yeah, she did. Well, I think they had a little
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more tax. But they But The thing is, they
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don't. They don't know.
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Because but they really don't know what happens.
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All those eyes to die. They didn't die, they just
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stayed like it. Were, and they don't know that
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because most, I mean, it's not like they come back and say, Oh
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yeah, by the way, this is what happened.
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This is why, like you really don't know.
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So if if you send girls in there and they never come back, never
00:22:10
come back, what other conclusion do you have except to say, OK,
00:22:16
she's she's dead. Because if you, if you say
00:22:20
anything that's halfway, oh, she could be lost, she might be
00:22:23
stuck because then you're going to have people doing exactly
00:22:29
what Gwen tried to do, which was try to try to get her out.
00:22:34
And I mean, we saw the physical toll that it took for the three
00:22:39
of them, Sharium, Leandrian and Leanne to open the arches.
00:22:45
That was 3/3 trained. I said I yeah, I don't.
00:22:50
Know how weak they really are? But that's what I'm saying it
00:22:54
took three of them. I mean, granted, we don't know
00:22:57
this true extent will be Gwen's power, but she's still a baby,
00:23:04
relatively speaking. You know, she's only had these
00:23:07
the she's only been able to channel for a few months, half a
00:23:12
year. So to think that you're going to
00:23:14
be strong enough to be able to open these arches when so many
00:23:18
generations of ICID I before you and like you, don't think that
00:23:23
if they could open the arches and bring their sisters back
00:23:26
that they wouldn't. Yeah, and Elaine told her
00:23:29
hundreds of sisters have tried to bring friends and lovers back
00:23:33
in in Phil. Yeah, yeah, because.
00:23:36
They're not coming back. If they don't come back on their
00:23:39
own, they don't come back. Yeah, and you know, I'm going to
00:23:43
take back what I said in the last episode.
00:23:46
Elaine is, I don't want to necessarily say she's growing on
00:23:49
me, but I think she is a good balance for E Gwen and even for
00:23:56
naive, if you know, if she and I need would have met because she
00:24:02
says the things that they need to hear in the way that they
00:24:07
need to hear it, because she's not as cold as the sisters are.
00:24:11
She's not as blunt to the point, like she still has enough of who
00:24:15
she is just as a person to be able to say, OK, let me try to
00:24:20
be a little gentle about this, but let me speak facts.
00:24:23
Let me not sugarcoat this, you know, yeah, she's gone.
00:24:27
You can't bring her back. But at least she did say, OK, if
00:24:31
you want to stay here overnight, we can stay here.
00:24:34
We can wait. At least she did say that.
00:24:37
And you know, that's a testament to a Gwen cause Gwen was like,
00:24:41
that's the strongest person I know.
00:24:42
Ain't no way she getting stuck in there at.
00:24:46
Least she. She Wayne knows her friend.
00:24:48
She. Knows her friend.
00:24:50
Oh, you can't. You can't channel in the arches.
00:24:55
Yeah, all righty, Yeah. Because because she definitely,
00:24:59
and that was the other thing I was going to ask.
00:25:01
So I know we were talking about whether or not she could hear,
00:25:06
hear the voice and see the arch, see the doorway.
00:25:10
When she first saw Land, I was kind of thinking, OK, yeah, the
00:25:16
door was actually there. But because she was probably
00:25:19
already pulled, she was already on this path of leaving
00:25:23
Tarvilan, leaving the Izodi, everything.
00:25:26
That's why it showed up so faintly.
00:25:28
But my question is, towards the end of that part, when Land dies
00:25:34
and she does channel, is she the one that actually opens the
00:25:39
door? I believe so.
00:25:41
OK, because I was going to say, ah, so somebody needs to tell
00:25:45
Sherry him to die. The door will open more than
00:25:47
once, but you have to be the one.
00:25:50
Right. But yeah, so they assume you
00:25:54
can't channel you. If you're powerful enough, you
00:25:57
might be able to channel, right? But you're right, you have to
00:26:00
want to leave. Yeah, and maybe you can channel
00:26:04
enough to open the door. Yeah.
00:26:08
Not necessarily to do anything else like heal people or.
00:26:11
Yeah, whatever, 'cause she tried to heal Tam and it didn't come.
00:26:15
But again, her most powerful display of her powers where Land
00:26:22
is dies or or is near death. And also even with land dead,
00:26:29
she still has someone else to protect.
00:26:32
And I think that was even powerful enough to her for her
00:26:36
to be like, Nope, yeah, let me get out of here.
00:26:39
And. You think about how powerful her
00:26:41
and Iguena are because, you know, you talked about the three
00:26:47
of them, Sam, Leanne and. Leanne, Andrew.
00:26:53
They were getting tired, right? Even just from the from the very
00:26:58
beginning, like just trying to conjure.
00:27:01
Right now, how many times do you think Yguane was trying to
00:27:06
activate the artist? Oh.
00:27:08
And does she look tired? No.
00:27:11
No, she didn't. She looked pissed off.
00:27:13
She was upset. She was pissed off.
00:27:15
Like goddamnit, I'm gonna open this door.
00:27:18
Right. So in theory she should have
00:27:21
been exhausted just based on what we saw earlier.
00:27:25
Yeah, especially after the first or second time, right.
00:27:29
I think from the time, yeah, I think she did it what, 3-4
00:27:35
times? So yeah.
00:27:38
And Elaine was like, yeah, this is not going to work.
00:27:41
You keep trying. It's not going to work.
00:27:43
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:44
And then you have Naive on the inside.
00:27:46
She's channeling and she opens it because she's powerful
00:27:51
enough. So they, they just, and then
00:27:55
they could have been sisters, that child in there and they
00:27:57
just never came back out, you know what I mean?
00:28:00
Like they don't really know. Yeah.
00:28:03
And that's why they immediately tell her no, no, no, don't talk
00:28:06
about what you saw. You know, it made me think of
00:28:09
Morpheus in the Matrix. Oh, yeah.
00:28:12
Yeah. When?
00:28:13
When When it was on the morning. Yeah.
00:28:17
Well, see, it was only for you and.
00:28:19
That's what Leanne said. She said, what did she say?
00:28:23
You, you can share whatever you want or how how little you want
00:28:28
or how much you want. Like that's your journey.
00:28:31
And I think Sharium even said something about when she came
00:28:34
back out and she was like, but but I can save them.
00:28:37
She was like, that's your burden.
00:28:38
That's not ours. You know, don't put that burden
00:28:41
on us because that that's you. That's what's important to you.
00:28:46
The acid. I was like, OK, we understand,
00:28:48
but then I got nothing to do with us, which is cruel.
00:28:53
But at the same time, like you said, they have bigger fish to
00:28:57
fry, you know, and, and as cold as we think the iced diet are,
00:29:04
and you know, I know people don't like them because of the
00:29:07
way that they come across and the way that they are.
00:29:10
But on the other hand, that kind of focus to your mission, it's
00:29:17
kind of commendable because that means that when all the chips
00:29:21
are down, you're still going to be focused on doing what you're
00:29:25
supposed to do to say, I mean, and really what you're trying to
00:29:29
do is you're trying to save humanity.
00:29:32
So that's that's got to take precedence over over everything
00:29:36
else. Term and guidance is coming
00:29:39
whether they want it or not. OK, what is that term?
00:29:44
Oh, the last battle. Oh, OK.
00:29:46
With the dark button but the the the final battle where the
00:29:50
dragon will face the dark. Dark.
00:29:53
OK. Is coming whether they want it
00:29:57
to or not. And ultimately all the Azadiah
00:30:00
noticed and they all know that they have to prepare.
00:30:04
So they have. That's why they're trying to
00:30:06
control every nation. They're trying to make sure
00:30:10
everything is in order. They want to make sure they have
00:30:13
control over all the armies. If they control all the kings
00:30:17
and Queens, you know they they can manage the whole situation.
00:30:23
Find the dragon, capture the dragon, use a dragon as a weapon
00:30:28
that gets the dark one. That is their whole plan.
00:30:31
You know they all have different versions, but it's all the same
00:30:35
plan. And they all have different ways
00:30:38
of trying to make that happen. But OK, when I need, I just, oh,
00:30:48
this episode hurt my heart because I was like, y'all know,
00:30:51
I y'all know, I shipped not even land.
00:30:54
And I was like, OK, it's, it's not really real, but I'll take
00:30:59
it for right now because I know that other than that, we're not
00:31:03
getting anything. But Oh my God, did y'all really
00:31:06
have to like stick the knife in and twist it and then twist it
00:31:09
some more and then yank it out and stick it back in?
00:31:13
Yeah, that was that was harsh. To me, it was.
00:31:16
To me, it was still kind of, it was kind of obvious to me.
00:31:20
It was like when I when I saw them together and the door
00:31:22
disappear, I was like, there's no, there's no shot.
00:31:25
I was like, there's no shot. She's not coming back.
00:31:27
So I just, I, I didn't really give in to feeling for her.
00:31:30
I was just like, go have fun, I'll see you later 'cause
00:31:33
there's no way that they're letting her stay in there for
00:31:35
any extended period of time because.
00:31:37
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:31:39
Absolutely. I mean, yeah, I expected her to
00:31:42
come out too, but still, it's just the fact that it was
00:31:45
heartbreaking experience, didn't they?
00:31:47
Yeah, it was heartbreaking. I mean, I feel I feel for, I
00:31:51
mean, just, I mean all the I'm I'm surprised they didn't like
00:31:55
have her come through with like a arm full of dust and just.
00:31:59
No, we are not in gay, I mean we are not Infinity War in this
00:32:03
game, you know, like 'cause if they had I would have turned my
00:32:07
TV off. I would be like fuck y'all, fuck
00:32:10
you. No, and I was just left it alone
00:32:15
but. So next we were in Antoine's
00:32:19
mill with the captured Shannarans and Perrin and loyal.
00:32:25
Then I'll never, I'll never look at a rhinoceros for the same
00:32:28
again. Man, let me tell you, I was
00:32:32
like, first of all, I was like Uno, if you don't shut your
00:32:35
mouth, I know. I was like, I just said bye,
00:32:39
Uno. I was like, I knew it.
00:32:41
I do it from start. I was.
00:32:42
I'm surprised you go too. But still, it's one thing I
00:32:48
learned about this show is like the side characters or whatever,
00:32:53
don't like any of them. Just don't.
00:32:55
Just don't. Because Uno was one of the cool
00:32:59
ones. Now we still got Dominico and we
00:33:03
like, I'm not going to remember his name.
00:33:05
He's Dominico. He's gone always.
00:33:07
And we got the other dude and they're OK for now.
00:33:11
But I was like, soon as Uno was like, yeah, I still got a
00:33:14
weapon. I'm like, dude, there are
00:33:16
soldiers right in front of you. There's the black chick to your
00:33:21
right who is looking at you like, yeah, dude, try it.
00:33:25
I was like, dude, if you don't stop.
00:33:30
But I was not expecting the rhinoceros horn like I thought
00:33:36
because he has 2. He has two soldiers on on the
00:33:40
side of him. While he's being defiant.
00:33:42
I'm thinking somebody's about to stab him.
00:33:45
Somebody's about to chop his head off.
00:33:47
I'm thinking his head is about to roll to the foot of the
00:33:49
steps. When they pushed his face
00:33:53
forward I was like, I didn't even, I didn't even realize the
00:33:57
rhinoceros horn was there until he face planted in it.
00:34:01
My my thing is when he showed Massima the knife, it seems like
00:34:05
dude no. Like, what are you going to do?
00:34:09
You are surrounded. You say we're outnumbered.
00:34:13
We can't do nothing. He's like, you have something.
00:34:16
What you going to do with that one now, right?
00:34:18
Oh yeah, you are bad ass but. You ain't that bad ass.
00:34:21
And, you know, and one of those soldiers must have peeped it out
00:34:24
because that's that was like, yeah, this one.
00:34:27
Yeah, yeah, she was. She was like, motherfucker, what
00:34:29
you doing? But look at them too like.
00:34:37
I said, yeah, so she about she about to either challenge him,
00:34:41
she about to tell on him, she about to punch him something.
00:34:45
But like I said, I didn't even realize the rhinoceros horn was
00:34:48
there until they pushed him forward.
00:34:51
I was like, what? I had to pause my TV, Like wait,
00:34:53
what the fuck did? Where did that come from?
00:34:56
And of course, I'm pausing the TV.
00:34:58
On his head, he stepped on me and put it.
00:35:01
I was like, Aww, that's brutal. Yeah, pushing him down wasn't
00:35:04
enough. Yeah, it.
00:35:06
Wasn't. Enough.
00:35:08
I was like. Back from that, did you think he
00:35:10
was going to stand up and be like, OK, I give up?
00:35:14
No. They were like, no, we we need
00:35:16
to illustrate to you just how far we're willing to go to get
00:35:20
you to bend the knee. Because notice when they were
00:35:22
like any questions, everybody dropped to their knees except
00:35:27
for parents. And I was just like, I was like,
00:35:30
parent, don't do it. You, you saw what just happened
00:35:33
to Uno. Don't do it.
00:35:35
Domenico was like Pierce, sit your ass down, sit your ass
00:35:38
doom. I was just but OK, so the Sean
00:35:47
Chan, when they're talking to the people, when the the person,
00:35:52
I don't know the mouthpiece or whatever when she's telling.
00:35:57
The people. About history.
00:35:58
Side note, that is guy, the guy who plays Zoom.
00:36:02
That's his wife. Which one?
00:36:04
Oh yes, I remember you mentioning that.
00:36:08
I remember you mentioning. It who's his wife in your life?
00:36:10
The guy who plays Uno? That's his wife.
00:36:14
Which one's his wife? The the Sean Chan mouthpiece,
00:36:17
the one who was telling them about the history.
00:36:19
And this you you guys are living on stolen land.
00:36:23
This land belonged to us. And when we were chased away,
00:36:26
yeah, we made a promise that we were going to come back.
00:36:29
I'm like y'all had to come back right then.
00:36:31
Like right now. It's time.
00:36:34
The final battle is coming. It's time.
00:36:37
I know, I know. Right.
00:36:39
Obey. Await.
00:36:40
Yeah, whatever. And Sir, Yeah, Sir.
00:36:43
Yeah. OK.
00:36:46
So I guess this is the question I do have.
00:36:50
So the what did you say? The the channelers are called Da
00:36:57
da Damani, Damani, Damani. OK, so they had one of them
00:37:05
going through the crowd and like picking out girls.
00:37:08
Was she picking out the ones that she sensed could channel?
00:37:12
Yes. OK, OK.
00:37:15
That's what I was wondering because I remember about women
00:37:19
can see other women's. Yeah, they can sense and see
00:37:23
other women's weaves and how they can the men can see each
00:37:27
other's, as we find out later on with low gain and and ran.
00:37:31
But yeah, I was like, 'cause she was just walking through and
00:37:35
just pointing. I was like, oh, she's pointing
00:37:38
out the women who can channel Now.
00:37:40
Do those women know that they can channel?
00:37:44
Sometimes they don't, OK, It's how a lot of them, they call
00:37:49
them wildlings. They will burn themselves out
00:37:51
because they don't know what they're doing.
00:37:52
It kind of kind of like the obscure from here.
00:37:57
Oh, from Fantastic Beasts. Yeah.
00:37:59
OK. OK, OK.
00:38:02
Very, very similar to that. Yeah.
00:38:05
But you know, a lot of sometimes, like I said, I don't
00:38:09
really talk about this, but a lot of their conflicts and when
00:38:13
if you know that the person you're arguing with, you can
00:38:15
tell is stronger than you. So that's how they kind of keep
00:38:20
each other in check. OK, that's that's smart, but
00:38:29
it's also what? OK, but it's.
00:38:34
Odd for that. That's why they're there, I
00:38:37
guess you call it the political structure is the way it is
00:38:41
because if you are, if you are politically enough and
00:38:46
influential enough, you can become the Armaline seat and
00:38:49
that be their powerful. But because you are the Armaline
00:38:52
seat, you can get to Boston around.
00:38:56
Yeah, OK, I get it. But yeah, so that's what she was
00:39:02
doing. She was, she was picking out the
00:39:04
ones who get channeled because they're going to collar them and
00:39:07
make them the money. Yeah, I have something to say
00:39:13
about that, but that'll come in later episode.
00:39:18
So let's talk about Karen. Wait, but she didn't ask
00:39:23
questions about what she was talking about the history and
00:39:26
them coming back and this land belongs to them and all that
00:39:29
stuff. Because I promise you they're
00:39:31
they're not going to talk about in the show.
00:39:33
Oh yeah, maybe, you know, maybe a little bit.
00:39:35
In depth. In depth with her whole Ebony
00:39:37
Moss speech. Right.
00:39:39
Oh my God, I'm looking at this rhinoceros horn.
00:39:45
Let me just let me fast. Forward.
00:39:50
Well, I mean, I guess I don't really have so much a question
00:39:56
as just an observation. I was like.
00:39:59
Like why are they here? Why?
00:40:01
Why are they here? Yes, because I guess if you look
00:40:08
at the town or the the village when they came in, it's very
00:40:12
unassuming. It's just, you know, regular
00:40:14
people just living their little life fishing with stinky, you
00:40:18
know, stinky fish and just whatever.
00:40:22
And then all of a sudden this group of people come over on
00:40:27
boats. So we know there's a lot of them
00:40:29
because we remember this from the finale of the last season.
00:40:33
There's a lot of them. Like, I guess my question is,
00:40:37
who did you think you were coming to conquer?
00:40:39
Like you saw how very quickly you were able to take this town.
00:40:44
But I guess listening to her speech, that's not the, they're
00:40:48
not, she's not talking about just the town.
00:40:50
She's talking about that country.
00:40:52
Is she talking about all of? It yeah, because she was talking
00:40:56
about she mentioned farm and farm is another is a city that
00:41:00
was mentioned in another part of the episode by I think Celine.
00:41:05
So I'm like, OK, so they literally mean we're about to
00:41:10
come and take everything from you guys.
00:41:13
So I guess I was kind of looking at it like were y'all really
00:41:17
there 1st and and were chased away or are y'all just saying
00:41:21
y'all were there first so y'all can come across?
00:41:23
They're coming there to reclaim what was once there.
00:41:26
Reclaim. OK.
00:41:28
So does Luther Pendragon, Arthur's son, say.
00:41:32
That again, what? Is Luther Pendragon Arthur
00:41:36
Pendragon's son? Oh, that is his his name.
00:41:43
What is it, Lewin? Field.
00:41:46
Lewis, Baron Telamon. OK.
00:41:50
There you. Go there you.
00:41:52
Go Baron Telamon. He does have complicated names
00:41:56
in the series, I will say that. In in the ancient, not in
00:42:01
ancient, but in the age of Legends, if you had three names
00:42:06
as an ice die was a status, that's how powerful you if you
00:42:12
had three things. So Luce Theron Teleman was very
00:42:16
powerful. OK, OK.
00:42:20
I I do have a question to ask about him, but we'll get to that
00:42:23
when we're talking about Ran, but.
00:42:24
Archer Archer Pendrag was was. He was also really strong,
00:42:32
powerful to Veran. He wasn't a channeler, but he
00:42:35
was a powerful to Veran. He literally conquered the
00:42:38
majority of the current world we're in.
00:42:43
Oh. Wait, did they mention that
00:42:47
name? Because I'm sitting here
00:42:48
thinking. Before.
00:42:50
Yeah, she, she was, she mentioned it when when, when the
00:42:52
when the Taylor was going through picking people.
00:42:54
Yeah, she was going through the history.
00:42:55
And someone may have said it during season 1.
00:42:58
I think someone mentioned him. OK, OK.
00:43:02
His son. He sent one of his sons with a
00:43:05
bunch of soldiers across the sea to conquer whatever they could
00:43:12
find. And that would have been where
00:43:15
they landed with something colonizers, right?
00:43:19
So that's why they feel like this name belongs to them,
00:43:23
because their ancestors conquered it all.
00:43:26
And he told them that they need to be prepared for the return.
00:43:31
OK. So anyway, it's not important in
00:43:36
the grand scheme of things. The only thing important was
00:43:40
Arthur Harquin was one of the great legends of the past.
00:43:46
Brilliant commander and he hated Ossadat.
00:43:50
That seems to be a running theme.
00:43:54
There's a whole story about why, though.
00:43:57
The the because his son, when they went, when they got to Sean
00:44:02
Chan, they had Ossadat there as well.
00:44:05
But they weren't the same as our eyes to die.
00:44:09
They were kind of different. And some things happened and
00:44:13
yeah, that's that's why they're colored now, because he didn't
00:44:17
like them. Colored and gagged.
00:44:19
Yeah, he didn't like them either.
00:44:22
OK OK so now moving on to Parent cause Parent has a solo audience
00:44:32
with Ishmael and I was just like oh this is about to get
00:44:38
interesting. And I have to say it.
00:44:40
I have to say it because we give Mike a hard time about this.
00:44:46
They keep mentioning wolves, wolves, wolves and even Ishmael
00:44:51
says to parent I want to see the wolf come out.
00:44:53
So maybe he's not a wolf in the books, but maybe that's what
00:44:59
they're going to make it in the show.
00:45:01
No, I mean, they're, they're really heavy-handed.
00:45:04
Werewolf, stop it. They.
00:45:06
Really, they could have fooled, they could have fooled me
00:45:08
because they're really heavy-handed with putting him
00:45:10
with wolves and saying wolves around him and just wolf this
00:45:14
wolf that when he's when he's like around somebody and it's
00:45:17
like he, he he actually went dancing with the wolves.
00:45:20
Is he Kevin Costner? He went off dancing with the
00:45:22
wolves in the woods. So it's like.
00:45:24
OK, I have a question. I refuse to spoil y'all, but no
00:45:28
he is not. OK, then question, is Elias a
00:45:33
wolf? They're not werewolves.
00:45:37
They're not, no. I didn't say werewolf, I said is
00:45:40
he a wolf? Is he an actual wolf?
00:45:44
Yes. No.
00:45:46
You mean, you mean you mean the wolf that can turn to a person?
00:45:48
It's called the werewolf. Yes, the Highwell Wolf.
00:45:51
I'm just curious because while Ishmael was having the
00:45:57
conversation with parent and kind of I, I kind of revealing
00:46:01
who he was to him, you have all of the wolves coming to parents
00:46:06
rescue the same as they did in the last season.
00:46:10
And then Elias comes into the the carriage that parent is
00:46:17
traveling in because parent is bound, his legs and feet are
00:46:20
bound. He comes into the carriage to
00:46:23
free parent and he's got blood all over his mouth and all over
00:46:28
the front of his vest. And then when they come out the
00:46:32
carriage, there's a dead soldier on the ground who looks like
00:46:36
he's been torn apart by a dog and there are wolves all over
00:46:40
the forest. So I'm just going by process of
00:46:45
elimination. I mean, I know you say they're
00:46:50
not werewolves, but the. Howls like a wolf.
00:46:53
Like a duck, and it talks like a duck and it quacks like a duck
00:46:57
and. It disembows you.
00:46:59
Like he can, if he can RIP, Elias can RIP you apart with his
00:47:04
bare hands because he's a little bit stronger and a little bit
00:47:08
ferocious. He can still do it as a human.
00:47:13
He didn't have to be a wolf to do that.
00:47:16
But he didn't RIP them apart with his hands.
00:47:19
He literally had blood in his mouth.
00:47:22
Did you, did you not see Silence of Lance?
00:47:24
Did you not see what Hannibal Lecter did today, man?
00:47:28
We are so not talking about Hannibal Lecter.
00:47:30
I'm just saying this. Is completely.
00:47:32
Different with. OK, so is he a werewolf then?
00:47:35
I mean, is he a vampire then? No.
00:47:42
They're not. Humans, they're turning in the
00:47:44
wolves. They're not even changelings
00:47:47
like that stupid woman wrote in Twilight.
00:47:50
They're just, they're not. They're not Remus Lupin, no.
00:47:56
OK, but we know that he's something different.
00:47:59
Yes, he's something different. Even even to the point that
00:48:02
Ishmael was like, yeah, I want to see the monster.
00:48:05
Yeah. So and and it's so.
00:48:09
It doesn't, it doesn't require any.
00:48:11
Like, OK, remember one of the things there, there are things
00:48:17
that have sort of been lost through time that are starting
00:48:21
to come back. Right.
00:48:23
So parent is a representative of one of those things, OK.
00:48:28
And I I've talked about this before because like, if you're
00:48:31
reading, if you read in between the lines in a Song of Ice and
00:48:37
Fire, magic had pretty much been gone because the Dragons were
00:48:42
gone and it didn't come back until the Dragons came back.
00:48:46
So this is one of the scenes Rand is very powerful to Veron.
00:48:50
Things that have been gone are starting to come back.
00:48:54
And you know, in X-Men, like Mike Yuri, X-Men what?
00:49:02
What is the the indigenous X man, the Native American, him
00:49:07
and his brother Thunder. Wait, what is it?
00:49:14
Fuck, I know you know, you know what I'm talking about.
00:49:17
You wouldn't call them werewolves, right?
00:49:20
They just had the power of the animals that they the totems
00:49:25
that they had, right? Warpath.
00:49:27
Warpath. Yeah, that.
00:49:29
I think that was the older one. That was the older brother.
00:49:31
I can't remember who the young one was.
00:49:34
Thunderbird or something like that.
00:49:36
Yeah, Thunderbird. Is.
00:49:38
But but just because they have the the abilities of the
00:49:45
creatures doesn't make them the creature.
00:49:49
OK. I'm trying, I'm trying not to
00:49:51
not to give away too. Much, I know.
00:49:53
Yeah. OK.
00:49:55
But the fact that you just said that one line, OK, that makes
00:49:59
that makes sense. OK, OK, OK.
00:50:04
So that's. That's why there's confusion.
00:50:06
The the risers trying to confuse you, make you think what maybe
00:50:09
the maybe he's channeling. No, he's not channeling.
00:50:12
He's something different. OK.
00:50:16
Yeah, OK. He's something different.
00:50:20
OK, yeah, I mean, also shout to a liars, like truly like, like
00:50:24
Cocker said being a fucking bad ass in this episode.
00:50:26
Like like that motherfucker was like was like Assassin's Creed
00:50:31
and shit. Like he was just like slipping,
00:50:33
sliding and like killing people. I was like I cool.
00:50:37
And also speaking since the parent, parents like we got to
00:50:40
go save everybody else, he's like, you can't save everybody
00:50:42
else from from a cave. Go, you see.
00:50:44
See the wolf go gone. But I do want to give this
00:50:49
caveat. You're right, they are changing
00:50:53
a lot of stuff if they have already pushed the fandom to the
00:50:59
brink. If they turn a parent into a
00:51:04
werewolf, I promise you people they may keep.
00:51:09
Regular. Right, they may keep regular
00:51:11
people, you know because it is a popular show on Prime, but the
00:51:17
fandom is going to burn it down if they turn a parent into a
00:51:22
werewolf. You mean they're going to turn
00:51:24
to Star Wars fans? Yes, pretty much.
00:51:27
Oh, that's that it. Wow.
00:51:29
OK. Burn it down.
00:51:31
Now here is the other question that I have.
00:51:35
Is Perrin kind of sort of playing dumb or does he really
00:51:41
not realize what is happening to him?
00:51:44
They've written him to where he doesn't realize what's
00:51:46
happening. OK, OK.
00:51:48
He he does, he's in denial. He's he's kind of in.
00:51:52
He's in denial, yeah. Because I was going to like,
00:51:55
even when even when he was out with a Gwaine and she was she
00:52:00
was telling, was it she did she tell Marine?
00:52:04
She was telling Marine about what happened to him when Child
00:52:08
Valder was torturing them. And she was like, his eyes turn
00:52:13
gold and I don't know what's going on.
00:52:15
And then, you know, she started talking about the wolves.
00:52:19
Paren heard some of that. He was laying on the on the bed,
00:52:23
but he heard some of that. So it's not like he's completely
00:52:28
in the dark. People are saying things about
00:52:32
him or to him. You know, they're trying to
00:52:35
figure out, hey, Paren, are you OK?
00:52:37
What's going on? You know, when he's having his
00:52:39
visions and kind of blanking out, Elias is literally telling
00:52:43
him, yeah, dude, you, you're a little different.
00:52:46
You need to start embracing that.
00:52:48
And then for Ishmael to come in and be like, yeah, there's
00:52:53
something different about you, man.
00:52:55
I want to see. I want to see what that is.
00:52:57
Show me the monster. Why does?
00:52:59
Everybody keep saying that. What do you mean?
00:53:01
What are you? What are you doing to me?
00:53:03
Nobody's doing anything to you. Peron this is.
00:53:06
Mike is right. He is completely in the Nile and
00:53:10
I think they're setting us up for him having a realization and
00:53:15
and learning about what he is and discovering what he can do.
00:53:20
They're just laying the groundwork for that.
00:53:23
It, it's, it's a little strange because it's taking a they're,
00:53:28
they're really slow dripping it like they really are slow
00:53:32
dripping it because they're trying to weave in all this
00:53:35
other stuff. Because to to get him where he
00:53:39
is, a lot of a lot to get him where he's supposed to be or at
00:53:43
least get him started, a lot of other things need to be in
00:53:47
place. OK.
00:53:49
That, that that makes him important.
00:53:52
There's there's characters we haven't met yet that he's going
00:53:55
to be in direct conflict with. Oh God, more characteristic.
00:54:00
God, this, this is great to me that.
00:54:02
You don't know. You don't know to have.
00:54:04
Oh yeah, I already know because even just from the trailer I was
00:54:08
like, I need to know who they are so.
00:54:11
Yeah, you have no idea. Think about it.
00:54:15
This, this, this story is, like I said, it's 1314 books. 1414 or
00:54:21
15? Including including New Spring,
00:54:23
which is, you know, the prequel. There's a lot and there's a lot
00:54:28
of characters. And I'm going to tell you books
00:54:31
5678 is nothing but characters in characters development and
00:54:37
politics. They are real pain to get
00:54:40
through. Ah.
00:54:42
OK, thanks for the warning because I was like, I'm trying
00:54:49
to decide when I'm going to start reading the books.
00:54:53
But one, I already told you all the problem I have with reading
00:54:57
in the last couple of years, I can't sit now long enough to
00:54:59
focus. Like it has to catch me and make
00:55:03
me be like, oh, I need to sit here and read and and my brain
00:55:06
is moving too much. So there's that then.
00:55:13
I usually don't. If I start watching a a show and
00:55:17
it's based on a book that I have not read yet, I usually don't
00:55:21
read the book until the show is over because I'm like, I don't
00:55:24
want book tank to get in there because yeah, I do it with Harry
00:55:28
Potter. Anthony, you've done it with
00:55:30
this. We don't want to be the book in
00:55:33
the book in the book. What happens in the book, This
00:55:36
is what happens in the book because we're talking about the
00:55:38
TV show, we are already aware that things are going to be a
00:55:41
little bit differently because that that's what happens with
00:55:45
adaptations. But still, I don't want to sit
00:55:49
here and be thinking in my head like, that's not how they did it
00:55:51
on the show or oh, they they skipped this, they skipped that.
00:55:55
So I'm trying to wait, especially because things are so
00:55:59
different. I don't want to get things kind
00:56:01
of confused, but it's 14 books. That's a lot of material, and
00:56:10
those books aren't small like those books are about that fit.
00:56:15
So yeah, I've actually seen, I've seen them in Barcelona.
00:56:17
I'm like, oh God. I was told, Anthony, look, I'm
00:56:22
gonna take my camera. Those are some of the books down
00:56:26
there. I found them in the Goodwill.
00:56:29
Those things are thick, like over 1000 pages.
00:56:32
So yeah, yeah. But it's also got a lot of a lot
00:56:38
of information that I really kind of want background
00:56:43
information on. Like, OK, we talked about
00:56:45
earlier, they talked about the Tarang grill and they kind of
00:56:50
sort of give you an explanation of it, but they really don't.
00:56:55
And just like with Anthony, Anthony talks about the Tavarian
00:56:59
a lot. We don't really know what that
00:57:00
is because they don't really use that term in the show, but
00:57:05
apparently it is an important term.
00:57:07
So it's kind of like, do I want to read it for informational
00:57:12
purposes just to get a little background, or do I just want to
00:57:16
stay show only and just not be quote UN quote, tainted or
00:57:21
spoiled? It's just, I don't know.
00:57:26
I don't know, but anyway. OK so going back to the the the
00:57:33
main point, Karen is not a werewolf.
00:57:35
We will find out what he is at some point.
00:57:39
Because if I remember correctly, as as we stated, Anthony and I
00:57:44
have watched the full season 2, but it was like 2 years ago when
00:57:49
we did. So I, I'm going to be honest,
00:57:51
there are a couple of things that stand out, but I, I
00:57:54
honestly don't remember because we consume so much TV.
00:57:58
It's just kind of like, OK. Yeah, 'cause every 3 minutes I'm
00:58:01
like, oh, that did happen, didn't it?
00:58:04
I don't remember that happening like this.
00:58:07
We'll talk about it later, but the one scene where Rand and
00:58:11
Celine are at the with all the nobles.
00:58:16
Yes. To get the wine, I totally, I
00:58:18
was like, oh, I, I don't remember this scene.
00:58:21
I remembered that scene a little bit.
00:58:25
I forgot about like the circumstances leading up to it
00:58:30
and what happens afterwards. I was like, oh, wait, OK.
00:58:34
Oh well, if we're if we're done with pairing, we can talk about
00:58:38
being there, Sling. Yeah, we can talk.
00:58:39
We can talk about them. Talk.
00:58:42
About them doing their. Firestone, well, it's it was
00:58:44
Step back, Rand and Logan. Ran stupid.
00:58:48
Get ready for my rant, because this motherfucker is dumb as
00:58:52
fuck. I am so sick of this
00:58:54
motherfucker already. It's only three goddamn episodes
00:58:57
in. I'm already sick of his ass.
00:59:00
Does he not know that he's being used?
00:59:02
He he and he's the worst liar ever because.
00:59:04
Because Lorraine was like, yeah, I remember seeing he was like,
00:59:08
what? No, you ain't see me.
00:59:12
I was like. I will say this though, when
00:59:16
they showed that flashback of him looking at Rand, I was like,
00:59:24
that literally could have been a whole different person because
00:59:27
he doesn't even like yeah, his facial features are the same,
00:59:31
but Rand had such a baby face. Then he had the curly hair.
00:59:35
He was a lot smaller. Like I didn't realize just how
00:59:38
much he bulked up for this season till I saw that flashback
00:59:42
and I'm like, oh wait a minute. He really did get get some size
00:59:46
on him for this second season. Yeah, but he was like, I
00:59:48
recognize that red hair that's you got red at the.
00:59:52
Roots, yeah, he said. I see, I see the red at the
00:59:55
roots because when you when you look at him in the daytime on.
01:00:01
This particular episode, it does look blonde or brownish, but
01:00:05
Logan was like, yeah, I see that red at the rules.
01:00:08
You can't hide that. And he's like, what you talking
01:00:10
about? No.
01:00:13
I think you being a little bit. I've never seen you in my life.
01:00:17
You being a little bit unfair to to Ram.
01:00:20
Yes, we had this conversation off.
01:00:22
We had this conversation off camera, Mike, before you got on.
01:00:26
We think you being a little harsh on RAM, a little harsh on
01:00:28
Ram, just a little harsh. Like like like you called him.
01:00:33
I think it was in the first episode when we were talking and
01:00:36
you were talking about the the end of the first season and how
01:00:39
you knew he was the Dragon and everything.
01:00:42
You were like this old whiny something.
01:00:43
I'm like, when has Rand been whiny?
01:00:47
Like he hasn't been whiny in in this show, not.
01:00:51
Not really. No, not I mean he's got his fair
01:00:56
share share of complaining, but given the circumstances that
01:01:00
they have found themselves in, that's to be warranted.
01:01:03
But for you talk about whining and and I think you said
01:01:08
something about him pining over Iguana.
01:01:11
He really has not been doing that, like at all.
01:01:15
Not, not well. The first season he was.
01:01:18
Now come on, you gotta give. You gotta give him that.
01:01:20
He did pioneer Big Wayne for a whole season.
01:01:24
Yes, yes he did. I guess it.
01:01:26
Depends on your definition of pining because like I said in a
01:01:31
Wayne they were together, they had their their conversation
01:01:36
about not being together because she was going to be a wisdom.
01:01:39
And for me, him being whiny would have been like, oh, you're
01:01:44
ruining my life. We had already talked about
01:01:46
this. We had everything planned.
01:01:48
You were supposed to be a wife. We were supposed to have
01:01:50
children. We talked about raising kids
01:01:51
here. Like that didn't happen.
01:01:55
When she said, I'm gonna go ahead and become a wisdom, he
01:01:58
was like, yeah, I know. And she was like, I'm so sorry.
01:02:02
And he was just like, no, you have to do what's right for you.
01:02:06
That was not a whiny moment. And yes, throughout the season,
01:02:11
he was kind of looking at her like, oh, I miss her, whatever.
01:02:15
But they have been together and they've been in love since they
01:02:17
were children. That's kind of like if he wasn't
01:02:21
missing her or if he wasn't being like, oh, I miss you, I
01:02:25
want you back. I would have been like that
01:02:28
motherfucker don't love her. But he wasn't being overly like,
01:02:33
I just he he wasn't being parent.
01:02:36
Parent is the one who's being very overtly like morose and and
01:02:43
the Prince and Layla Van and Layla Layla like.
01:02:48
I'm so I'm surprised parent doesn't like isn't like dressed
01:02:51
in all black and just and just like like singing like some ye
01:02:55
old panic at the disco or whatever emo.
01:02:58
He too busy trying to find Pat and Fan so he can kill him
01:03:01
because he mad because you brought the trolley to his door
01:03:04
and the trolley's are the reason why his wife is dead because he
01:03:07
accidentally killed her trying to kill a trolley.
01:03:11
Tonight will be the night that I will kill the trolley.
01:03:14
He's. He's just distracting himself.
01:03:17
He he, he does it. If he sits down and stops to
01:03:20
think, he starts thinking about Lickler.
01:03:24
Yeah. So he has to keep moving
01:03:25
forward. You can't stop.
01:03:28
So. So that's why I'm just like you
01:03:30
being a little harsh on Ren. But let's go back to to Ren and
01:03:33
Logan. Logan is a funny fella.
01:03:37
I like him. He's like, dude, I see the red
01:03:41
at the roots. I see you.
01:03:44
I know who you are, and I know why you're here.
01:03:47
He was like, so. He was like, so how long is it
01:03:50
going to be before you ask me? Rand is like, Ask you what?
01:03:53
You know what you want to ask me?
01:03:55
Come on now, I ain't stupid. Well, well, Gay was able to
01:04:00
rally a large army. Yeah.
01:04:04
So the man is charismatic. He knows how to talk to people.
01:04:08
Yeah, tell you what, go ahead. You give me this bottle of this
01:04:10
rare red blend that's comes from some fucking mountains and shit
01:04:14
now and I'll. I'll think about it like.
01:04:18
He said how am I supposed to get it?
01:04:20
I don't know. You figured out how to get here
01:04:22
figure. Anything out right?
01:04:24
I mean, what does he have to lose?
01:04:26
It's like if he if he doesn't find it, he's like, Oh well,
01:04:28
this ain't going to talk to you. If he does find he'd be like,
01:04:30
OK, I'll string you along and get a couple other things.
01:04:32
He'd be like, OK, get me this, give me this rare pack of
01:04:34
Yu-gi-oh cards. Then get me this rare Deadpool
01:04:36
Funko Pop and do all this other shit.
01:04:38
Then I'll I'll keep giving you little bread crumbs and shit.
01:04:41
Wait, wait, wait. That might.
01:04:42
Help you. The Deadpool Funko Pop was for
01:04:44
you, Sir, That that was for you. What are you, EO cards?
01:04:49
What's your point? I'm gonna say I'm just saying
01:04:53
he's going to keep keep asking him for stuff and give them
01:04:56
little crumbs of stuff that'll help him and not give him the
01:04:59
whole thing that's going to really help him get control of
01:05:02
it. It's like, this is just this is
01:05:04
like, yeah, I can see. I know this is what's going to
01:05:06
happen. He's going to be like, OK,
01:05:08
concentrate. OK, give me this.
01:05:11
OK, Focus. All right, go.
01:05:13
Give me that. All right.
01:05:14
Pay attention. Alright, go give me that.
01:05:16
It's like that's all he's going to do is like just he's not,
01:05:19
he's not going to, he's not going to really help him become
01:05:21
the dragon because I mean, OK, I haven't.
01:05:25
I don't think he knows that Rand is the dragon, he just knows
01:05:28
that Rand is the man who can channel.
01:05:31
I think maybe he starts suspecting it towards the end
01:05:34
when Rand is like you ain't the dragon and low gay.
01:05:37
I mean cause low gay look pissed when Rand said that he looked at
01:05:40
him like how dare you. He's he's still slightly crazy
01:05:45
though. OK.
01:05:46
Yeah, yeah. But he did say, he did say when
01:05:49
I saw you up there, you sign brighter than anyone I've ever
01:05:54
seen. Ever seen?
01:05:55
Yep. Yep, he said.
01:05:57
I knew. What did he say?
01:05:58
I knew you were going to turn this world upside down.
01:06:01
Yeah. But here's my question.
01:06:03
So Logan can no longer channel because he's been stilled.
01:06:08
I think I read that stilled is what they do to men, gentle is
01:06:11
what they do to the women. But it's basically the same
01:06:14
thing. OK, so he's been still, which
01:06:16
means he no longer has his powers.
01:06:18
We know that Rand has his powers.
01:06:20
But he was cut off from it. But it's the same thing.
01:06:25
But we have to. Oh.
01:06:26
Yeah, OK, 'cause I was going to say, Oh no, that's that's called
01:06:31
shielded, OK. Shielding is a shielding you
01:06:34
from from from seizing the power.
01:06:36
Yeah, OK. Stealing and gentling is cutting
01:06:40
you off. Yeah.
01:06:42
So once a person has been stilled or gentled and they've
01:06:47
been cut off from the power, does that mean that they can
01:06:51
never touch the source again? Or is there a way for them to
01:06:55
regain that ability? Because my my question is, can
01:07:01
Logan? You starting to laugh?
01:07:04
OK. Can Logan take that power from
01:07:08
Rand? Is there a way for him to take
01:07:10
it? Or if if Rand loses control, is
01:07:13
there a way for him to pass that power back to?
01:07:17
I can answer that question. OK.
01:07:19
I can answer that question. No, no, they can't.
01:07:22
No, Yeah, there there are ways to do it like with the with the
01:07:31
Adams, with the Sudams, do with the Damani.
01:07:35
Oh, OK. So if if he were able to get a
01:07:39
caller and put it on Ren, he might be able to he can make him
01:07:43
do things. Oh, OK.
01:07:46
So if that's something we don't know about the the money in them
01:07:50
yet because that that hasn't happened yet.
01:07:53
Didn't we kind of Well, yeah, I guess.
01:07:56
Well, we did see them behind them and make them attack the
01:07:59
the the Sonarians that that is what they.
01:08:05
Remember. OK, OK.
01:08:06
Yeah, yeah. So we did see them do that.
01:08:08
OK, OK. So.
01:08:11
So if there is a way for him to do it, you do, he'd have to do
01:08:14
it that way. OK, I can answer that, but it's
01:08:17
not like it's not like. Don't ask me any other
01:08:20
questions. I'm just going to clarify, like
01:08:24
Mike said, it's not like a heck Agatha Hartness type of
01:08:28
transfer. Like OK, I'm a OK it.
01:08:31
Doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't.
01:08:32
The one part it doesn't work like.
01:08:33
That OK, I'm not going to make you spoiling thing because I
01:08:35
knew I said as soon as you start smiling, I said OK, I'm asking
01:08:38
something that's that's getting a little too it's.
01:08:40
Getting too spoilery? OK, OK.
01:08:43
I won't do that. OK.
01:08:44
That taking all the power, it was low gain all of them.
01:08:48
So yeah, so so with them having the conversation low gain, kind
01:08:53
of figuring out what Rand is, if not who Rand is, Rand is like, I
01:08:59
need you to teach me how to control it.
01:09:01
And, and he was like, OK, so you go get me a bottle of this red
01:09:05
wine from where I come from and, and we can talk.
01:09:09
So Rand goes back out into the the village and while he's
01:09:15
looking at the different merchants and, and the bottle of
01:09:19
wine, there's like a gathering out front where they're talking
01:09:24
about the Horn of the Lear. And so Rand is trying to figure
01:09:28
out he was like, you know, Selena's sitting there because
01:09:31
apparently she's she's one of the wine merchants.
01:09:34
He was like, what are they talking about?
01:09:35
She said, oh, it's the hunt for the Horn of Velir.
01:09:38
She was like, every few years they do this and we've already
01:09:41
seen the Horn of Velir, but I keep forgetting Rand did not.
01:09:45
Rand does not know that it was that it was in Faldar.
01:09:49
But you know, she tells him she was like, yeah, every few years
01:09:52
they they do the hunt. The queen once said she's
01:09:56
offering a reward, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:09:59
And then they get onto the subject of the wine because Rand
01:10:01
starts looking at the wine. She was like, what are you
01:10:03
looking for? He tells her it's it's a good
01:10:06
guy denying Gelden, Gelden red. And she was like, why do you
01:10:13
need that specific wine? And they have a little flirty,
01:10:16
flirty going on. And I'm sorry, I still don't
01:10:18
like her. I still don't trust her, but
01:10:21
anyway, she was like, OK, so this is how we're going to get
01:10:24
this wine and you're going to need a jacket.
01:10:26
I was like, what does a jacket have to do with wine?
01:10:30
Oh, OK. So she sneaks them into some
01:10:33
little hoity toity party without.
01:10:37
Becoming a Red Osset too. I thought the same thing.
01:10:43
I was like shit shower bones back fuck, never mind.
01:10:47
Damn it, that's a dope. I mean it's a dope jacket.
01:10:51
I I give it to him. He look he look good in that
01:10:53
jacket. He does, but I was like, he's
01:10:57
standing out so much, which I guess was kind of Celine's like
01:11:02
her thing because she wanted people talking, trying to figure
01:11:05
out who they were and stuff like that.
01:11:07
Because you're literally infiltrating high society,
01:11:10
right? Right.
01:11:13
So this woman comes up to talk to Rand and Anthony and I were
01:11:18
saying this before the show. We were like, did all the
01:11:21
Discovery Witches people come over to Wheel of Time?
01:11:25
Because that was Isabel. Motherfucker, hold on.
01:11:29
Wait, wait, wait. OK, now.
01:11:31
OK, now we're even. That was Isabel, Yeah, the one
01:11:36
who came up talking to Ran because he had the party
01:11:39
invitation. And she was like, yeah, you
01:11:41
don't want to accept that invitation is going to come at a
01:11:43
cost. And she starts telling him
01:11:46
about, you know, kind of being in the high society, and she
01:11:50
figures out where he's from or what town he's in.
01:11:54
I mean, I say where he's from. And so she starts talking about
01:11:57
the town and how, you know, I think she said years ago, I
01:12:03
think that was like one of the prominent towns and the town,
01:12:08
the other townspeople or the poor people were fleeing from
01:12:11
some kind of catastrophe. And so they kind of took up
01:12:15
residence and what, what do they call it?
01:12:17
The gatekeep? And they foregate and and they
01:12:21
just never left. And she was like, yeah.
01:12:24
So the queen is trying to figure out how she can basically claim
01:12:28
her her town back. And that's when Rand learns that
01:12:33
the hunt for the horn of the Lear is fake.
01:12:37
It's just a way to get people out of the town.
01:12:39
They're not giving. They're not giving any money,
01:12:45
any rewards or anything. They're just trying to get rid
01:12:47
of people. And this really bothers Rand
01:12:50
because he was like, so you're giving people hope that they can
01:12:55
like, get a better life. They can win this reward money,
01:12:58
you know, and improve their chances, improve their lives.
01:13:02
And it's just all fake. And then when Celine comes back,
01:13:05
he mentions it to her. She was like, you naive little
01:13:08
boy. Of course, of course it's fake.
01:13:11
And this pisses him off too, because he was like, oh, wait,
01:13:14
you knew she was like, yeah, you know, that's, that's how people,
01:13:18
that's the currency. People say things, they do
01:13:21
things because they're always trying to get over on someone
01:13:24
else or they're trying to get something, you know, something
01:13:28
for information. There it, it's like a exchange.
01:13:31
He was like, So what are you doing this for?
01:13:34
You know about bringing him to the party, getting the wine for
01:13:38
him. She was like, you know what I'm
01:13:40
doing? And he was like, man, fuck you,
01:13:41
I'm leaving. And he left her ass at the
01:13:44
party. I was like, you know what was
01:13:47
like? Rand is like, I ain't here for
01:13:50
your bullshit. No.
01:13:51
He's not he has a plan. He he has a plan and a purpose.
01:13:56
But I think what what we got though as the audience was, I
01:14:01
think I mentioned this, we talked about this last season
01:14:03
the the game of houses. Yes, I do remember you
01:14:09
mentioning. Yeah, they are.
01:14:11
We we, we finally kind of got a little bit of a peek at the game
01:14:16
of houses and how it works. It's a it's sort of how the
01:14:19
nobles politic each other because and that's, you know,
01:14:23
that's kind of where George RR Martin got Game of Thrones from.
01:14:28
You kind of got it from this, this idea of the game of houses.
01:14:32
Every decision that you make as a Lord means something.
01:14:37
But like him throwing the thing into the fire.
01:14:39
That was actually a really cool thing game to play with them
01:14:43
because they're trying to figure out which way he's leaning.
01:14:46
Like what kind of board is he? Is he going to side with this
01:14:49
one? Is he going to take her, her
01:14:51
invite? No, he's just going to burn it
01:14:53
and not make a decision. He didn't even open the
01:14:56
invitation. Right.
01:14:57
So that's going to throw them all into a his fit because they
01:15:00
don't know what's. Going on because they're still
01:15:01
trying to figure out who the hell he is, Yeah.
01:15:04
OK. And then to just walk out on her
01:15:06
in that way and leave her like that, well then who does that to
01:15:09
her, you know? Right, right.
01:15:12
And Celine came over. It was so funny because when she
01:15:14
was when when the other lady was talking to him, she came over
01:15:19
and she was like, excuse me? She said I don't think we've
01:15:21
been introduced. She Celine said no, we haven't
01:15:24
and turned around and just walked off.
01:15:26
I said oh, OK. Yeah, so we got our first peak
01:15:30
of the a little bit of a game of houses.
01:15:32
OK. In the blue.
01:15:34
Like I'm looking, I'm looking at her now and I'm like, she
01:15:36
doesn't even really look like it's a bold.
01:15:38
Yeah, she does. Just just just take, take that,
01:15:43
take that huge wig off because the wig makes her look like
01:15:46
Effie from The Hunger Games. Just kind of like all out there.
01:15:50
I mean, it's a fancy. Wig because the hair is brown
01:15:53
and it's like she's blonde, you know, like grave blonde in in
01:15:58
the Discovery of Witches. I'm looking at her.
01:16:00
I'm like, she's like, she's already looking at him like a
01:16:02
piece of meat and I'm like. But now, if you, if you close
01:16:06
your eyes and just listen to the voice, it'll hit you.
01:16:09
You'll automatically know that's who it is.
01:16:12
Yeah. Yeah.
01:16:13
So, yeah. And I, I, I will say this is not
01:16:18
to be spoilery, but you're going to trip Mike when you figure
01:16:21
out, when you find out who she is.
01:16:25
OK, cool. But yeah, so like I said, Celine
01:16:30
comes over and she has her little intrigue or her little
01:16:34
mystery. And I was sitting there looking
01:16:36
like she is way too comfortable in this type of setting, which
01:16:42
again, makes me more suspicious of her because even when you
01:16:46
think about when Rand saw her in the middle of the crowd back at
01:16:53
what you say, Fort Gate, Fort Gate, she looks so much
01:16:59
different from everyone else. You know, it's literally one of
01:17:03
those towns where people are a little bit dirty, people are a
01:17:07
little unkept, you know, a lot of people working in the market.
01:17:10
There's a lot of mud everywhere. And she looks so clean and so
01:17:17
pristine and just too perfect for that kind of setting.
01:17:23
And then for her to go to this, this, like I said, hoity toity
01:17:27
party and kind of sort of fit in and she knows how to maneuver
01:17:33
the crowd and she knows how to work the crowd and she knows how
01:17:35
to do this and she knows how to do that.
01:17:39
Yeah, something is not quite right with her.
01:17:44
And then you get the stuff later on because after Rand leaves her
01:17:50
at the party, he goes to low gain, he takes in the line and
01:17:55
he's basically like, tell me how, how to control this.
01:17:59
And Logane is like, you can't. That's that's the whole thing.
01:18:03
You're never going to be able to control it.
01:18:05
And this kind of sets Rand off. Not thought Rand was going to
01:18:10
attack Logane because he he got in his face.
01:18:15
But then when he leaves there and he goes home, Celine is
01:18:19
there waiting for him. And Rand, I, I will say this,
01:18:23
him and Celine, they, they seem to like a roof because he grabs
01:18:28
her by the throat like he's about to choke her out.
01:18:31
What? What did she say?
01:18:32
She said if you do that again, I'll end you.
01:18:35
Or something like. That yeah, If you, if you leave,
01:18:37
if you ever leave me like that again, I will.
01:18:39
No, she said. I will kill you.
01:18:42
I will kill. You.
01:18:42
Oh, OK. I guess that flipped the switch
01:18:44
for him. Right, 'cause they start
01:18:46
kissing, they do all this other stuff, they get on the bed and
01:18:51
you can see. Do it in fire style.
01:18:55
He he's, he's channeling and he tries to pull back because he
01:18:59
doesn't want to hurt her. And it's so weird because she's
01:19:02
looking at him like she can see it.
01:19:05
Can the Forsaken see that stuff? Because I'm starting to think
01:19:08
that she, she has to be somewhere in that.
01:19:12
OK, so the rules are men cannot see women channel and women
01:19:19
cannot see men channel, but she. Looked like she saw him.
01:19:22
What? Was going.
01:19:24
On So I think the thing she she was like, she I think she I
01:19:27
think she she could, yeah, she could tell something was
01:19:30
happening. OK, but she can't.
01:19:33
They can't see. They can't see each other's
01:19:34
weeds. Yeah, because she she told him
01:19:38
she was like, let go, you can let go.
01:19:41
Yeah. And he was like, I don't want to
01:19:43
hurt you. She was like you, you won't hurt
01:19:45
me. And she was like, let go.
01:19:47
And I was like, does she realize what's happening with him?
01:19:53
Yeah, going 50 Shades of red on this.
01:19:55
Night right and then of course he channels camera pans off so I
01:20:01
you know they do the do or whatever, but then he wakes up
01:20:04
alone and I was like so that. Made me think he was dreaming.
01:20:08
That's what I was wondering because he wakes up alone.
01:20:12
He still got the excuse me, do they do they call them weaves
01:20:17
with the men? Yes.
01:20:19
The OK, so he still has the weaves kind of residually kind
01:20:25
of going away, but then once sparks and sets the roof on fire
01:20:30
and Celine comes from outside calling him and she's like
01:20:36
literally got on her night clothes.
01:20:37
So I was like, did he dream that?
01:20:40
And if so, was that a honest to God dream or was that something
01:20:46
that was triggered in him? Like did somebody plant that in
01:20:50
him for that particular reaction?
01:20:53
I'm just at this point I was like, I'm so confused.
01:20:56
I don't know what the fuck is going on with Rand.
01:20:59
Like is this something that he's actually experiencing?
01:21:02
Is he being controlled? Is he being manipulated?
01:21:05
I mean, we know that something has been reaching out to him
01:21:08
with the the one power. We heard it in the last episode.
01:21:14
You know, he's hearing voices. He's.
01:21:16
So I'm just kind of like did. We determine that loaf there, it
01:21:20
has no power, doesn't have any powers right now they're.
01:21:23
What? Low gain.
01:21:26
Low gain. Does he like has no powers?
01:21:29
OK, he cannot access the one power.
01:21:32
OK. That's what I thought.
01:21:34
I figured, I thought, I thought we had established that.
01:21:36
OK, yeah, 'cause I was like, it seems it 'cause it seems like
01:21:39
something that low gain would do to make him like he'd do
01:21:44
something if he'd, he'd lose control of his power or
01:21:47
something bad would happen, he'd go back and be like, please
01:21:49
teach me. He's like, maybe.
01:21:54
I, I can see that if he had access to his power, I could see
01:21:58
that manipulation. But yeah, he doesn't.
01:22:00
So like I said, I feel like it has to be either Celine or maybe
01:22:08
Ishmael is manipulating him because we know that he knows
01:22:13
who Randy is. He knows Randy is the the Dragon
01:22:16
Reborn. And then he already has one part
01:22:22
of Rand's crew, which he probably, I don't know if he
01:22:25
knows that parent is someone that Rand knows or is a friend
01:22:28
of his, or if he's just, I don't know.
01:22:31
He's just collecting chess pieces.
01:22:33
It's just kind of like I need to know what's going on with Rand.
01:22:38
I want to know, is this something that he is doing?
01:22:40
Is this part of him not having control or if he's being
01:22:44
manipulated? Because if he's being
01:22:45
manipulated, if you. OK.
01:22:49
What were the things you said you need to know?
01:22:51
What? I just need to know if Rand is
01:22:55
the one who is it, if he is in control of his own self or if
01:23:01
he's being controlled or if he's being manipulated.
01:23:05
Would it be too spoiled to say all of the above?
01:23:09
No, no, but it would give me something to think about because
01:23:13
OK, if he's if he's doing it, OK, fine, if he's being
01:23:18
controlled or manipulated. Now the question comes, is he is
01:23:21
it coming from within? Like is the one power doing it
01:23:26
and and making him do these things or is that outside force?
01:23:29
The one the one power is not sentient.
01:23:32
Oh, OK, OK. There's definitely Celine.
01:23:34
Celine's definitely. That's why she said she can't
01:23:36
hurt her because she's manipulating the situation and
01:23:39
she's not going to do anything that will hurt her then do
01:23:42
anything so. Yeah, and she wanted to try to
01:23:47
see just how powerful he is, if she knows who he is or if she
01:23:52
has an idea. Because I mean, I said something
01:23:56
about her being for Forsaken earlier, like she could be that
01:24:00
she could also be a dark friend. I think we mentioned that in the
01:24:03
last episode. Like she just, I mean.
01:24:06
The innkeeper, yeah, she was the bar keeper.
01:24:09
The innkeeper. She.
01:24:10
Was a yeah, the the the people who try to sleep with Rand tend
01:24:13
to be trying to kill them so except for ingue so.
01:24:18
Yeah, give her time. I think if Dwayne will probably
01:24:25
try to kill him and she finds out he's been alive all this
01:24:27
time, and not only alive, but he's been sleeping with somebody
01:24:30
else, too. Yeah.
01:24:30
Oh, that. That would that would stole her
01:24:34
fire that. Would not even well for him.
01:24:36
Yeah, but yeah, so now Rand doesn't have a place to stay
01:24:40
because he just burned his little apartment up.
01:24:44
And is that not, that's the place that Celine owns, right?
01:24:49
Because he pays her rent. So now where are they to go out?
01:24:55
That's that's another thing that made me think like, OK, I think
01:24:58
she's manipulating him. She's doing something like she's
01:25:01
trying to, she's making circumstances so that he has to
01:25:09
make the moves that she's wanting him to make.
01:25:12
That's kind of where I feel like that's kind of what I feel like
01:25:17
she's doing, especially considering he just burned her
01:25:20
place up after a dream of having sex with her.
01:25:26
So I'm like, yeah, she's, she's in his head.
01:25:32
And I guess, I don't know, chalk it up to his age, 'cause like
01:25:35
Anthony and I said, he's only 19, but dude, come on now, come
01:25:44
on. She for someone who is supposed
01:25:47
to just be a random booty call every once in awhile, she's a
01:25:53
little too involved in your life, especially considering you
01:26:00
are somebody who's supposed to be laying low.
01:26:03
You know what I'm saying? I just, I, I don't know, I just
01:26:05
feel like Rand is not, he's not really using his head.
01:26:09
Well, he's not using the right hand right now.
01:26:15
So I don't know. Damn it, Rand.
01:26:20
I don't trust this bitch, though.
01:26:21
I don't. I don't like her.
01:26:23
I don't trust her. She.
01:26:26
Yeah. And see, at this point, if if I
01:26:29
was ranked, if I was Rand, I'm like, OK, this this is I mean,
01:26:35
the block is hot now, literally and figuratively, because it's
01:26:39
like he he done burned down the whole fucking building and low
01:26:44
gain is low gain is Dragon is stringing him along.
01:26:47
I'm like, I got to get the fuck up out of here, 'cause I'm, I'm
01:26:50
about some something's going to happen and I'm going to be
01:26:53
that's going to be revealed and I'm still fucking alive.
01:26:55
Like this shit is getting way too much for me.
01:26:58
It's you got to go. It started to bother me.
01:27:00
It feels like they're all being manipulated.
01:27:03
Like yeah, Naive is being manipulated, Rand is being
01:27:08
manipulated, Parent is being manipulated by Elias and now.
01:27:13
Matt's getting. Matt's being manipulated too.
01:27:15
We're gonna get. To that in a second oh, Speaking
01:27:17
of of of chicks that we don't trust and hate, can we talk
01:27:24
about? Let's talk about men.
01:27:26
Let's let's talk about this bitch.
01:27:29
Let's talk about her. Man, she is a piece of work,
01:27:33
isn't she? So I could have maybe looked
01:27:39
over the fact that she was being duplicitous if it was for
01:27:44
anybody else, but you are working for Leandron.
01:27:52
And that answers your question about how she couldn't tell that
01:27:55
that they were going through the wall, but she told her to she.
01:27:59
Put them in. As a matter of fact, she
01:28:02
probably loosened up a lot of the wall for him to get through.
01:28:06
Yeah, could, could have, yeah. But yeah, so, so after, after
01:28:12
everything that happens with Naive not coming back out of the
01:28:16
third trial Leandron does, I will say this for her.
01:28:21
She does seem genuinely upset and saddened by the fact that
01:28:27
Naive did not make it through the arch.
01:28:29
Yeah, but you know why? Why was she upset?
01:28:31
She was upset because there's this very strong person she was
01:28:34
manipulating. Oh, I know.
01:28:37
I know isn't coming back saying Dang.
01:28:40
I fucked up, I I know. But I also think that because,
01:28:44
but, but I also think that because Naive is so powerful, I
01:28:49
do believe again that I said I can't lie.
01:28:52
I do believe Leandra when she told Dwayne that she respected
01:28:59
Naive because because she was powerful.
01:29:02
I mean, she called her, she was already calling her a sister.
01:29:06
So I think that that part was genuine.
01:29:09
She does respect her. She does respect her power.
01:29:11
Now she respects it because, like you said, she wanted to be
01:29:15
able to use it to manipulate. I think she really wanted to try
01:29:20
to get my knees to become a Red ash.
01:29:22
I really believe that because someone with my knees power
01:29:28
fighting with that particular sect of acid, I man, please,
01:29:33
they could get a lot of shit done, especially when it comes
01:29:36
to finding the men who can channel and and doing all of
01:29:40
that. Oh yeah, and I need will be a
01:29:41
powerful ally for all of that. But you got to get her to go
01:29:46
through all the other stuff and and you know, sever her, her
01:29:50
connection to that in order for that to happen.
01:29:54
This is a part of her personality that would go along
01:29:59
with the red Azure. Yeah, she because she has she
01:30:07
has some personality trait. Yeah, I can see.
01:30:11
It especially with the the amount of control she likes to
01:30:14
exercise over the people around her that are close to her, is
01:30:19
very similar to how the red Aja are.
01:30:22
So yeah, but you know, during the age of legends, they didn't
01:30:26
have Aja, they didn't have different they, they all were
01:30:30
Isodi. There wasn't different sex.
01:30:34
Yeah, OK. But yeah.
01:30:37
So it would it would make sense that that they would all have
01:30:40
the personality traits of all the odds and some of them are
01:30:43
stronger than others. Yeah, yeah, I noticed that
01:30:45
because when when I need came out of the first arch and she
01:30:54
had the stab wound in her shoulder, Leanne was the one
01:30:57
that healed her. And I was like, she's a blue.
01:31:00
I was like, OK, so they all can do certain things.
01:31:03
It's just that like the yellow Azure, they're probably more
01:31:07
proficient in in healing because remember.
01:31:10
In in season 1, Lorraine was like, I can do it.
01:31:14
I'm just, I just need to get her to get into Yellow Sister.
01:31:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so, yeah.
01:31:21
So after all of that stuff happens with Naive, Matt wakes
01:31:26
up to Leandra standing in his cell.
01:31:29
And he was like, OK, so. So what are you doing?
01:31:32
She was like, yeah, the doors open, you can go.
01:31:35
And he was like, what are you talking about?
01:31:37
And she said, yeah, we lost a sister today, someone who was
01:31:40
very powerful, someone that I respected.
01:31:44
And it just kind of she was like, I I realized that I should
01:31:48
have been helping her, but instead, for the last six
01:31:50
months, I've been sitting here, you know, babysitting you for
01:31:54
Moraine. And, I mean, she just really
01:31:56
starts kind of going off on that just like, in that quiet but
01:32:00
cruel way, just letting him know.
01:32:02
Yeah. You know, you keep saying stuff
01:32:04
about your friends left you or whatever, but no, I know the
01:32:06
truth. You abandoned your friends.
01:32:08
You left them. You're a coward.
01:32:10
You're. No.
01:32:10
I mean, she starts going in, and then she was like, yeah, you can
01:32:15
leave. And he was like, so I'm just
01:32:16
supposed to believe that I I've been prisoner for six months.
01:32:20
And then all of a sudden, not only she was like, stay and go.
01:32:23
I really don't give a fuck. She was like, but you are
01:32:25
wasting my time. I want to have to look at you.
01:32:28
That's basically the gist of it. And she was like, yeah, you, you
01:32:32
want to talk about your friends. She was like, Iguaine is in this
01:32:35
tower. And if you care so much about
01:32:39
your friends, she really needs you right now.
01:32:41
She doesn't tell him that it's naive who, quote UN quote dies.
01:32:45
But she was like, yeah, Iguaine is here and she's going to need
01:32:47
you right now. And Matt actually leaves out.
01:32:50
He sees a Gwen in the garden crying, but he can't bring
01:32:54
himself to approach her because again, the last time she saw
01:32:57
him, he kind of he. Abandoned.
01:33:01
Them. Yeah, he abandoned them.
01:33:03
Wouldn't go on the rest of the adventure with them.
01:33:06
And, you know, in some ways, you got to think that she probably
01:33:11
would think, well, if Matt had been with us, maybe all of us
01:33:14
would still be together. Maybe we wouldn't be separated.
01:33:17
Maybe this wouldn't have happened.
01:33:18
Maybe that wouldn't have happened.
01:33:20
And Matt is starting to feel that.
01:33:22
So he's like, yeah. So he leaves.
01:33:24
He goes back to the cell, tells men he was like, hey, come over.
01:33:29
And she comes over and she was like, dude, your door is open.
01:33:32
He was like, yeah, She was like, why the fuck are you not out
01:33:35
there? Why are you in here?
01:33:36
Like, what am I not getting? They have a little conversation.
01:33:41
She's like, OK, look, you can sit here and wallow in yourself.
01:33:44
Pity I'm going out there. So she leaves, He follows her,
01:33:48
and they decide that they're going to leave.
01:33:51
That's when we find out she's working for Leandre.
01:33:56
Matt the Andrew is a master fucking manipulator.
01:33:59
Like she fucking manipulated that whole situation.
01:34:01
I don't think she was sad at all.
01:34:02
I think she just opened the door.
01:34:04
She was trying to convince him to leave.
01:34:06
That whole shit was playing like she was like, OK, she was sad,
01:34:09
but like I got I still got to figure this shit out.
01:34:11
So what I'm going to do is go ahead and execute.
01:34:14
Go ahead and push Plan B ahead ahead of schedule and go ahead
01:34:18
and get him out of here because I know he, I know he's not going
01:34:21
to talk to a Dwayne because he sees he's going to feel guilt.
01:34:24
He's going to try to get out of here, but he's going to try to
01:34:25
get out of here with her. So I was like this, she is like
01:34:30
playing 3D chess with this motherfucker.
01:34:32
And he's, he's still playing tic tac toe like he has.
01:34:34
No, he acted like he has no idea what the Hell's going on.
01:34:38
I mean, he probably doesn't. I mean, one, he's been locked
01:34:41
away from everybody and everything for six months.
01:34:44
And even before that he really wasn't himself because he was
01:34:48
under the influence of the dagger.
01:34:50
And then before that he wasn't himself because he was upset
01:34:54
because he had leave everything he loved, but everyone and
01:34:58
everything he loved behind because of all this Dragon
01:35:02
Reborn stuff and the Trollec attack and the fact that the
01:35:05
trolls were after them. And yeah, I, I don't think, I
01:35:10
think it's just the point where Matt is just like, what else in
01:35:13
my life can go wrong? Which is so crazy considering
01:35:17
Anthony says that in the books. Matt is lucky as hell.
01:35:20
I'm like, they absolutely. Absolutely trash this character.
01:35:26
They really do. They absolutely trash this.
01:35:28
But you know, the engine did try that, that manipulating crap on
01:35:33
Iguen and Iguen basically said fuck around and find out.
01:35:37
Right, right. Now here's the thing.
01:35:41
I was worried for her for a second though.
01:35:43
She's bad, but she's still around.
01:35:45
Yeah, and she said. Fuck around.
01:35:47
She said, Leanna, she was like, you don't know what I'm capable
01:35:50
of. And I, I don't know.
01:35:53
I, I kind of felt like Leandra was like, oh, OK, if Naneeva's
01:35:57
gone, maybe she'll do OK, let me work on that a little bit.
01:36:01
Because I mean, if you think about it, how was she getting
01:36:03
results out of Nanny? She kept pushing her, kept
01:36:06
pushing her. He kept poking the bear, poking
01:36:09
the bear. But I will say this, Ewain is
01:36:13
not the one to do that too. Because Ewain will push back and
01:36:19
she ain't afraid to try to use her powers, no.
01:36:22
Right. She could be gentle like, you
01:36:25
know, gentle and concerned like Nanny, you know.
01:36:30
Because Nyneve is and, and I don't even want to say gentle
01:36:33
and concerned when it comes to Nyneve.
01:36:36
Nyneve just don't want to have to deal with that shit.
01:36:39
Well, she don't really want to hurt nobody that's.
01:36:41
Her. Well, yeah, that too.
01:36:42
Yeah, Wayne. She she'll do it and then be
01:36:45
like, oh, did I hurt you like with Valder?
01:36:48
I don't think she'll. I don't think she'll ask with
01:36:50
Leandrine because in her eyes Leandrine is the reason why
01:36:54
Nyneve is supposedly dead. So she'll.
01:36:57
Be dead. Oops, my bad.
01:36:59
Right, right. I can't lie, I wanted to see
01:37:03
that fight when they were up there.
01:37:05
When she confronted her, I was like, I know you're not ready.
01:37:07
Not yet. Wayne's not ready for that yet.
01:37:10
I do want to see a showdown, but she's not ready for that yet.
01:37:13
I. Was like, I was like, I'm
01:37:14
interested in seeing that. Like because she she straight
01:37:19
stood her ground when she shouldn't have been standing her
01:37:21
ground. I was like, I OK, I see what?
01:37:24
I see you right there. Yeah.
01:37:27
Just let her, let her get a little bit more powerful, let
01:37:31
her get a little bit more control.
01:37:34
I think she'll be alright. I I think Leandro needs to kind
01:37:38
of keep one eye over her shoulder.
01:37:41
Especially now since Nyneve is back.
01:37:46
Because Nyneve got a whole lot to be angry about.
01:37:53
True. And what she's probably going to
01:37:57
think first thing is that bitch put me up to this.
01:38:02
She put me through this. She was the one who suggested
01:38:07
that I go ahead and take this test.
01:38:09
She is the reason I am in there. And she'll probably think, oh,
01:38:13
and Leandrine probably knew what was going to happen because it
01:38:16
was something about the way Leandrine kept looking at her
01:38:20
and saying some of the things that she was saying to her
01:38:22
before she started her trials. And she was basically like,
01:38:25
yeah, you going to go through some shit.
01:38:28
But that's part of the plan. That's part of the process.
01:38:32
It's like, you, you're feeding her black licorice and making
01:38:37
her think that is banana pudding.
01:38:40
It's like, yeah, What? What?
01:38:43
Huh. God damn.
01:38:47
I'm just saying it's like Ron. I'm like, that's a, that's a,
01:38:52
that's a high tier manipulation. I'm just saying, it's like Ron
01:38:57
reading the tea leaves. You're going to suffer, but
01:39:00
you're going to be happy about it.
01:39:01
That's kind of the way Leandro was.
01:39:04
I mean, it's like, yeah, you're going to go through some pain,
01:39:08
but we all go through it. But you're going to come out
01:39:11
better on the other side. You're going to come out
01:39:12
stronger on the other side. Yeah.
01:39:15
And I need might have a couple of things to say about that.
01:39:20
So, yeah, I think Leandra just needs to kind of like keep that
01:39:23
one eye looking over her shoulder for the time being,
01:39:27
because now you got several people pissed at you.
01:39:32
And then I don't know what this deal is she got going on with
01:39:34
men. I don't know what it is that she
01:39:36
has on men to make men be like, OK, yes, I'm going to follow the
01:39:40
crazy red Asha. But if she pisses men off or if
01:39:46
she does the wrong thing or if she doesn't hold up her end of
01:39:49
the deal, which again, she is one of those eyes to die who can
01:39:53
kind of talk around what she really means.
01:39:57
So it's possible that can happen.
01:39:59
Yeah, she gonna have some problems.
01:40:03
And I'm just I I'm here for it. Like I said, I don't like that
01:40:07
character. And yeah, any, any type of
01:40:11
discomfort. That can be brought about her
01:40:15
person I am here for. Yeah, but I don't know, I think
01:40:23
I got a feeling that they're going to make us feel some kind
01:40:25
of way about about her towards the end of so in in one episode,
01:40:29
they're going to make us feel kind of bad towards her.
01:40:32
I don't want. No redemption story I don't
01:40:35
want. No redemption arc I don't want
01:40:37
no. No sympathy, no nothing, none of
01:40:40
that. Nothing, nothing, 'cause if you
01:40:43
were gonna, if you were gonna make me feel it, I would have
01:40:46
felt it when she was sitting there crying over her son.
01:40:48
But the way she treated and I need, when I need was just
01:40:51
trying to help. Yeah.
01:40:52
No, bitch, I ain't got no sympathy for you.
01:40:55
None, none. How about you get a little blood
01:40:59
on that red Asha outfit and die? I don't like her, No.
01:41:06
So anyway, anyway, let's see, we did not get any more rain in
01:41:14
this episode, thank goodness. Because like I said, she's kind
01:41:17
of getting on my nerves too. And yeah, we we mostly focused
01:41:23
on the four, huh? He's hella Debbie Downer in the
01:41:26
season. I'm like, every time I see her,
01:41:28
I'm like, oh God, what do you want about now?
01:41:31
Like, like, it's like, like she's like, she's Gen.
01:41:33
Z. It's just like that line of
01:41:35
Deadpool Wolverine, like oh Gen. Z and your.
01:41:39
Oh, my God. Well, I mean, like I said, I
01:41:42
understand what she's going through because she's lost a
01:41:45
major part of herself, but just. OK, we'll we'll see how she is
01:41:52
in in the next episode. Yeah, I think that that was it.
01:41:57
This, this whole episode focused on the Two Rivers people, and
01:42:04
yeah, they're, they all going through some stuff right now,
01:42:07
except for Matt. Look, except for Matt, Matt
01:42:10
seems to be the only person who is having a good day right now,
01:42:14
and that should be worrying in and of itself.
01:42:18
It seems to be a good day. Seems to be a good day.
01:42:21
It's. Not a good day.
01:42:22
I mean, for him right now, it is because he's no longer under
01:42:27
Leandro's control. He's no longer sitting just in
01:42:31
that, in that one little space because I'm, I'm sitting here.
01:42:37
No, I'm, I'm just saying that's why, that's why I said he thinks
01:42:42
in, in his mind, he's having a good day.
01:42:45
He, he's not stuck in a cell anymore with that fake wardrobe.
01:42:50
And I'm sitting here thinking, like, how was he using the
01:42:53
bathroom? Did he, did he get a chance to
01:42:56
bathe? Like, like, did she just keep
01:42:59
him smelly and stinky in that cell for six months?
01:43:03
You think, yeah, he's having a very good day.
01:43:05
He's out. He's got horses, he's got food,
01:43:09
he's got a he's got a pleasant companion with him.
01:43:14
Everything's hunky Dory in Matt's world right now, which
01:43:17
tells me it's it's about to fall apart in a major way.
01:43:20
I. Do like.
01:43:20
Because he's with somebody who can see, who can see into the
01:43:23
future somewhat. So I mean, either either she
01:43:27
can, she's going to help him or she's going to like kind of step
01:43:31
aside when something happens, so.
01:43:33
He doesn't know she can. She can see the future.
01:43:36
Yeah, she said. She told.
01:43:37
She told him in the last Yeah. But I like when when the Leandra
01:43:42
came in and he was like, oh, are you here to kill me?
01:43:45
Or did you thought, oh, he's kind of handsome?
01:43:48
I was like Matt, really like Matt Let.
01:43:54
Matt, be Matt. Look, you were the one who said
01:43:58
in the last episode, I don't think I'm her type.
01:44:01
I think she likes her men dead. He is not looking to Matt, but
01:44:06
try to be charming if you want. Right.
01:44:11
Yeah, this this episode I will say I enjoyed more than the
01:44:16
first two, mainly because we did get to see a lot about Naive
01:44:22
like I think we had learned in the first season about her
01:44:25
parents dying and you know, the little the little saying that
01:44:29
her dad says before before he leaves her and he's killed.
01:44:33
But to see it it, it was strange because when she walks through
01:44:39
that arc and she has the hair down and she's look, she's
01:44:42
literally dressed like a little girl when she's running through
01:44:45
the field fields. I was like, she really does look
01:44:49
like a big ass kid. And then you see what she had to
01:44:54
go through. Now this is the thing.
01:44:56
When her dad was sitting there, he was like, what's that?
01:45:00
And then you start seeing the things moving in the woods.
01:45:03
You don't stand there while they come out of hiding dude.
01:45:08
It like why are you still standing there?
01:45:11
Why are you not already running? I mean, I can't.
01:45:14
She's being manipulated, so that's how she don't maybe not
01:45:18
quite remember exactly what happened because she was a
01:45:20
little kid. Yeah, but I was like why are
01:45:23
y'all still standing there? But I would say it is not.
01:45:26
His Mama was a bad ass. I see where she gets it from.
01:45:30
That was I mean. Her Mama was a badass.
01:45:35
Mama was a badass. Like straight badass.
01:45:37
I. I like this episode more than
01:45:40
the first two and I just wanted to say I I do like this episode
01:45:48
seem to actually have a shift into season 2.
01:45:52
Like I think the first two episodes still felt like season
01:45:56
1 and this one felt like everything was starting to
01:46:00
shift, like the characters are starting to shift a little bit.
01:46:04
Like, yeah. Getting away from where they
01:46:06
were in Season 1. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
01:46:11
It, it did feel like a, a, a change, yeah, especially since
01:46:18
it, I think the first two episodes it just kind of felt
01:46:24
like they weren't aside from maybe Moraine and Land.
01:46:30
I think it felt like they were just kind of stuck.
01:46:35
I mean, even with and maybe with parent, because parents group is
01:46:39
actually moving. They're actually on a particular
01:46:42
mission. They're trying to find Pat and
01:46:44
fame. So you see some movement with
01:46:46
that, but everybody else was just kind of there, like Matt is
01:46:51
stuck in this one room. It Gwen and I knee were kind of
01:46:54
stuck in the tower, except, you know, when I knee sneaks out.
01:46:58
But yeah, it did feel like they were just kind of stagnant.
01:47:01
And now it feels like some fresh air has entered the room and and
01:47:08
now we're starting to move forward.
01:47:09
So I mean, we're already 3 episodes down now.
01:47:13
This is only a episode season. So you got 5 episodes to make a
01:47:17
lot of stuff happen 'cause the story has to pick up at this
01:47:21
point, it has to. You can't keep going.
01:47:25
You can't keep going at the pace that you're going.
01:47:29
It's moving too slow. Because if you think about the
01:47:32
1st 2 episodes where they've been hunting for the horn for
01:47:37
five months and Gwen and 9 Eve have been sticking the tower for
01:47:41
five months. Cleaning for five months.
01:47:45
For five months, Rand has been doing God knows what, laying low
01:47:50
in from the gate. Look working, working in the
01:47:53
working in the asylum, trying to get access to the outside for
01:47:57
five. Months, right?
01:47:59
So you're right. And sleeping with a sneaky bitch
01:48:01
for five months. So we finally get them and Matt
01:48:06
has been locked up. For five months.
01:48:11
So we finally got some movement. Yes.
01:48:14
In episode 3. Yeah, you know.
01:48:17
Finally got some. Like, everybody's moving out to
01:48:21
to something. I mean, even even though Naive
01:48:23
and Iguane are still in the tower, I mean, technically
01:48:27
speaking, Naive got to leave. I mean, she got to.
01:48:32
Leave like 8 years? How old's that girl?
01:48:34
8-9 years. Old.
01:48:36
I don't think she was quite that old.
01:48:37
She might have been like maybe 5 or 6.
01:48:41
But I mean, yeah, if you can, if you can go through that much
01:48:47
life in just a couple of hours, then I just, I know I'm going to
01:48:54
hate the next episode just in the fact that we're going to
01:48:58
have to see her deal with her grief.
01:49:00
And that's going to be hard to watch because she's going to
01:49:03
have to deal with that grief really by herself because she
01:49:07
has no one else she can share it with.
01:49:08
Like, she can tell a Wayne and Dwayne can feel upset for her,
01:49:13
but because she wasn't there, she didn't experience it.
01:49:16
Like these are these are not real tangible people to her.
01:49:20
So there's only so much she's going to be able to understand.
01:49:23
Yeah. So.
01:49:25
And then I just, I don't even want to imagine Leandrin finding
01:49:28
out that Naive is alive and how her reaction is going to be.
01:49:31
She's probably going to be like, oh, tell us what happened in
01:49:34
there and Block. Is there going to be kind of a
01:49:39
some something for her, not for them, Not like washing, washing
01:49:43
her sins away after she comes out?
01:49:46
I, I don't know, 'cause I mean, Leandron did kind of break the,
01:49:52
the, the, you know. Urns.
01:49:55
I'm sure they have plenty of urns, right?
01:49:58
Yeah. But it's, but it's but is that
01:50:00
good? Is that going to be something
01:50:01
that's going to cause an issue? No, because technically she went
01:50:08
through all three and came back. So let's.
01:50:11
Be have to have her have her sins washed away or anything
01:50:15
like the first 2. I think the the important part
01:50:19
of the ritual is coming back through.
01:50:22
OK. You know, so technically she
01:50:24
should be raised to accept it. OK.
01:50:30
You know, she made if she wants to be, that's going to be the
01:50:33
same. Does she still want it?
01:50:37
So OK y'all have final thoughts on this episode?
01:50:43
Yes, chow to Leanne after Nanny didn't come back.
01:50:47
Like giving the Andrews a side eye.
01:50:49
It's like yeah, she's gone, it's your fault bitch.
01:50:53
And walking out. So that wasn't all that pleased
01:50:57
either. This your fault that she's dead
01:51:01
and I hope you, I hope you have to wear this on your conscience
01:51:05
because I know I will have it all mine like y'all know?
01:51:10
Yeah, y'all already knew what this woman was like.
01:51:14
Y'all literally told her she couldn't train novices but yet
01:51:18
y'all want to let her rush a novice through without having
01:51:22
without. Nanny has not channeled since
01:51:25
she been in the God damn tower. This is one, this is 1° run.
01:51:29
The reasons why they probably didn't want her training anybody
01:51:32
because because she was going to she was going to do something
01:51:35
like this. And that's why I got to be
01:51:37
honest, I really don't like Shereen Sharim.
01:51:42
I like there's something about her.
01:51:44
I'm just like, no, like like she gets on my nerves.
01:51:48
She just seems she. 'Cause she, she seems like she
01:51:50
goes by the rules, but then she doesn't go by the rules.
01:51:53
It's like like. She why have you met the
01:51:57
isodide? They all do it.
01:51:59
That's. What I'm saying but but but it's
01:52:02
like she's like the embodiment of it and it's like.
01:52:05
I just think she's very detached.
01:52:08
I think she's detached, but not as detached as maybe she should
01:52:14
be or maybe she wants to be. Because I think if she were, she
01:52:18
wouldn't be as upset with 9. What happened with 9 need.
01:52:22
But I think the thing with 9 need may not necessarily be
01:52:27
because they lost naive as a person, but more so we lost the
01:52:32
most. Powerful I've.
01:52:35
Seen in the last 1000 years, yeah, yeah, so.
01:52:41
But they but they but that's their fault.
01:52:42
It's like they they're the ones that this, this, this all goes
01:52:46
back to her saying, Oh, she's untrainable.
01:52:48
I want to train her. I mean then just like why would
01:52:51
you saying? Yes, 'cause Alana sat there and
01:52:55
told Sharon to die. She was like, I don't think this
01:52:57
is a good idea. It's not a good idea, Yeah.
01:53:00
It is. I mean, it's like, why would you
01:53:03
give somebody who is resistant to training to someone who's
01:53:08
going to I I understand giving, giving her somebody who's gonna
01:53:13
push her like, OK, maybe that'll help her finally realize which
01:53:18
these do or help her get get in line and do all this other
01:53:21
stuff. But somebody who you don't trust
01:53:24
with regular regular trainees, you're going to give her naive.
01:53:31
Her. The one the one the one that
01:53:34
that makes that like makes even women think that that she's
01:53:38
going to kill him. It's like nobody, nobody likes
01:53:41
her. Nobody trusts her.
01:53:42
Why are you giving this woman the most power, one most
01:53:45
powerful Chandlers you've seen in a long time Like that was a
01:53:51
that's a recipe for disaster. It's like y'all deserve
01:53:54
everything you get. I have no sympathy for you.
01:53:58
Last 1000 years? That sounds like a drinking
01:54:01
game. Right, exactly, you could be
01:54:04
getting drunk for 1000 years 'cause you fucked it up.
01:54:06
Yeah, OK, so we don't have to deal with 90s grief in the next
01:54:12
episode. We're going to have to deal with
01:54:14
Rand's guilt for burning down the house.
01:54:19
I. Just Oh no, I just realized
01:54:22
something watching the end of her second trip.
01:54:28
I think this was a flash of that vision with the red dress
01:54:34
because I realized the axe and all this stuff was what was
01:54:38
happening while she was in the red dress.
01:54:43
It's the same stuff. Oh, but.
01:54:48
What? She was almost like.
01:54:50
It was almost like she didn't remember what happened and did
01:54:53
it again. Oh, does that make sense?
01:55:00
Yes, yes. Look at that theory coming out.
01:55:07
Good job man. It's not a theory.
01:55:09
It's not a theory 'cause I just realized, 'cause I saw the
01:55:12
child, the child with an axe and that's why she has blood.
01:55:16
It was from him. And that's probably why she took
01:55:21
the the thing from his head too, because he was gone and she
01:55:26
wanted something to remember him.
01:55:30
Yeah. OK, I'm gonna go back and look
01:55:33
at that scene, but. Cease to realize she couldn't.
01:55:36
She didn't know. She couldn't bring anything back
01:55:38
to the arch because when she came back through, she had she
01:55:44
had the the dagger and she had the thing in her hand.
01:55:49
Oh. Yeah, so that's why she thought
01:55:51
she could bring her daughter through.
01:55:57
That's nothing. The reason why I thought it was
01:55:58
all one trial because it's like, you know, she brought it through
01:56:01
once, but she didn't bring it through when she finally broke
01:56:04
through the last time, like. Yeah, but the daughter is a
01:56:06
living breathing thing and that's there's probably rude.
01:56:09
Still a thing though. It's still something you're
01:56:11
bringing from. She shouldn't have been able to
01:56:13
bring anything back. Right.
01:56:17
But she, I don't think. But she didn't know that.
01:56:20
And the the thing tricked her into thinking she could because
01:56:25
it had her bring it through the first time.
01:56:28
Even though she was still in the arch, she thought she brought
01:56:32
something through. Yeah, that was well, that was
01:56:37
very. Interesting.
01:56:38
One long ass trial. Yeah, 1 long ass trial because
01:56:42
then you made her realize she could still lose him because she
01:56:46
picked. Yeah, she picked her up because
01:56:47
she's like, OK, I did it before, I can do it again.
01:56:50
Not realizing it was the actual. She was still in the trial.
01:56:55
Sweet. You're under something, Mike.
01:56:57
You were OK. Interesting, that's something to
01:57:03
ponder. Yeah, 'cause I I at the corner
01:57:05
of my eye, I realized, why does this look just like the scene
01:57:09
from when she was in a red dress?
01:57:11
It was clips from that same thing.
01:57:14
OK, Yeah. You know, you know, you know.
01:57:17
You're saying about sudden dog's ass?
01:57:23
The sun shines on the dog's ass twice a day.
01:57:29
Something like that. OK.
01:57:31
And on that note, that is it for it's.
01:57:34
Your saying dog is your saying I've.
01:57:38
Never said I've. Seen Hope is a place where
01:57:41
dreams go to die is my. Yeah, and he also says a clock,
01:57:46
a broken clock is right twice a day and.
01:57:50
Also, don't pee on me and call it rain, which is.
01:57:53
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