#thewheeloftime Six months after Rand's "death" at the Eye of the World, the group from the Two Rivers is picking up the pieces, and struggling in the process. Nynaeve and Egwene are novices in the White Tower, where Nynaeve's reluctance to channel brings her the wrong kind of attention. Perrin is on the hunt for Padan Fain, while Mat is an unwilling guest of Liandrin. Moraine does her best to shut out Lan after losing her powers, which leaves her vulnerable to danger.
Mentioned in this episode: JordanCon, a Science Fiction/Fantasy literature convention founded in honor of Robert Jordan, author of the Wheel of Time, which will take place April 25-27 in Atlanta, GA. More information can be found at this link: https://www.jordancon.org/
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are at long last discussing Season 2
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Episode 1 of The Wheel of Time. So the reason why we are just
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now getting around to recording Season 2 Episode 1, what had
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happened was when Season 2 came out.
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When was this? Back in 2022-2023, we had plans.
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We had plans to start recording. We actually tried to record the
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first episode. We had really bad weather here
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and the recording was just, it was horrible.
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Like there were cut offs, the Internet kept going out,
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everybody's screen kept freedom. So we were like, OK, you know,
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stick a pen in this, as Anthony like to say, and we're going to
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come back to it when the weather's not so bad.
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Then Conjuration happened and we had a season 2 panel at
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Conjuration discussing the entire season 2A Wheel of Time.
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Well, guess what? We all thought that we had
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already discussed this show on the podcast because of that
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discussion, and then we figured out we had it and then
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everything under the sun was coming out.
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So it was just kind of like we're trying to stay up up to
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date with current shows and still like, OK, we got to go
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back and do this. We got to go back and do this.
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So now that Season 3 is literally around the corner, we
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were like, OK, I think it's a good time for us to revisit
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Season 2. So that's what we're going to
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do. But before we get into Season 2,
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Mike was not with us on our discussion of the Season 1
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finale and I know he probably had some thoughts.
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So Mike, what did you think about the Season 1 finale?
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And be brief. To be brief, I knew it was
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Rand's bitch ass that was the fucking Dragon.
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That lame ass motherfucker. I hate him.
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Why he's so. He's so lame.
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He just he's he's such a old wag Wayne and he just finds so that
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I can't I can't do it with him. I I just can't.
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I can't, but I'm glad they had their girls get it done moment
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at the end and and destroyed everybody.
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That was cool as shit. Even though I'm I'm scared that
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they have the horn now. I'm like, oh, that's and that
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sneaky motherfucker. You tell my parents saying.
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Yes, that motherfucker creeps me the fuck out.
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He does now like when when we first met him in the 1st
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episode. Right, you did not.
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But now I'm like oh hell. He might be a little off with
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him, but I didn't think he was like a dark friend or anything
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like that, as we've discovered. But yeah, now especially him in
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his first episode, just the way he was looking at the little
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girl like this. I was like, dude.
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No, no Sir, No Sir. The hell?
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So anyway, Anthony, your screen name, I'm so glad you put it
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there 'cause I thought it was just me because I was like the
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first time I watched this. Was it this slow?
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And I think it was because I think it took me like 3 times to
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get through the first episode of season 2 the first time I
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watched it. And then when I was watching it
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today, I was like, is it just me or does it seem slow?
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Or is it just that because everyone is separated?
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It just felt that way 'cause I, I kind of think that's part of
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it too. Because you have a Gwain and
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naeve in in the tower. You have pairing out with loyal
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looking for Pat and fan. You have Matt being held
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captained by the red Aja. And then, you know, we see one
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small glimpse of Ran wherever in the world he is.
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And I was like, wherever he is, wherever he is, that was like,
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you know, And then you got more rain and land over here.
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I was like, maybe that's why it seems so slow because you don't
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have the dynamic of them all being together.
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And it just. Man, this episode seemed like a
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it. It seemed like it took it was
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like in game long. I was like, but it's see, but
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you felt it. I felt like, oh God, how long
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have I been watching this book? It's like I actually watched it
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again. And I'm like, I know all this,
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but why is it still taking? It takes longer when you already
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know what's going to happen? Yeah.
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It's like, oh God, it's like, that's that's where it took four
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hours. I was just like sitting there.
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I watched half of it at work. I watched half of it here last
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night, and I finished it when I got back home today.
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I was like, damn, it took forever.
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Here, here's some inside baseball.
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I texted how to go, like can we push it to 9:00?
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And the reason why I said that was Michelle wanted to watch it
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with me, right? She didn't want to be a podcast,
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but she likes to show she wanted to watch it with me.
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And she ended up doing something.
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I was like, you know what? She said no, never mind, you can
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go ahead and start without me. I said cool, I'm sitting here
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watching it. And I started regretting my life
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decisions. I really did.
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I was like, Oh my God, I got to watch it and then I got to talk
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about it. But it's so slow.
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And then they try to fool you by giving you a little bit of
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accident at the end. But no, right.
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I I got up, I went to the kitchen, fixed me a drink, You
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know, I went upstairs, said something to Bailey, said
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something to Michelle. I came back downstairs and Marie
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was still talking to Bill. I'm like, what?
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I I left. Why was she talking to him that
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long? I was like, Oh my God, that's
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so. She was.
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Avoiding talking to LAN. Right.
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And if I have to watch the sisters sit down and eat one
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more time, Oh my God, what? What are we doing?
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Yeah, I started wondering if that was also maybe the reason
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why we just never got around to it.
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Because, OK, we've already seen the entire season, so we know
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what happens. We know that the action picks
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up, we know that the story picks up and you know, all this other
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stuff. But it was just getting through
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this first episode, landing his ABS notwithstanding, because
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that's what's on my background right now.
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But don't shake your head at me, right?
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Don't shake your head. Look, we are, we are here
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complaining about the episode. That was the one bright spot.
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I was like, what's the name? Like, hey, I need you to step
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over to the left. Hey.
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Yeah, she's gonna move, move, step.
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Over to the left. Hey, land what you say.
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I know it must be so hot. I love them.
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They're kind of like The Golden Girls.
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They're just like making jokes and like it's like 2 Blanches.
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They're fucking awesome. Right.
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And you can imagine 2 blanches. Oh my God.
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One was enough. But OK, so, so let's talk about
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some stuff about this episode because Anthony, as the resident
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Will of Time book guru, you might have to answer some
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questions. And I know that they have done a
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lot. I don't.
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I don't have no answers for you. No, it's not anything like deep
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or anything about like, I just have certain questions.
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OK, so the meeting that takes place at the very beginning with
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the Dark One and and the people sitting around the table, he
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refers to them as the chosen. I don't think we talked about
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them in the last season or they were brought up in the last
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season. So just kind of briefly, can you
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give a little like description of who the chosen are?
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OK so I'm this this is the issue with this show because I'm not
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sure if it was the forsaken or just some of the main dark
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friends. Oh, OK.
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Yeah, well, they weren't they, they did kind of shadow their
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face. The only one that we knew was
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there for sure was Pat and Fane. And we know some somebody was
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there with some long ass fingernails and then somebody
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was there who had a little girl. We without giving you I'm, I'm
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just going to say this would not be the Forsaken would not sit
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together and be so nice to each other.
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OK, so they're so it's probably the Dark friends.
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So it's really, those are really just the dark friends.
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OK. Those are probably the main dark
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friends and some other people. OK.
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I don't, I'm not sure how they're going to do the Forsaken
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in this show, but the way these people are sitting around,
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that's not a, that's not really a Forsaken thing.
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And they show some rings, you know, which might hand it some
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other group that exist. And then you see some symbols of
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of the, the, the place where we were before, where all the
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Charlotte's got wiped out. Yes.
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These are these are all dark. You see them, you know that
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Forsaken. They don't.
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They don't get along OK. They had some, they had some
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interesting jewelry choices. I gotta admit, some of the rings
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are fire. I was, I was like, OK, I can
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actually. I mean the the, the jewelry in
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the costume in just in the show in, in general.
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In general, yeah, yeah. It's fire is really good.
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Yeah, but but the rings are important.
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They're simple. They're symbolic.
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It means something of a particular group, yes.
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OK, OK. So the Forsaken were a group of
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formerly Asodai. They were the ones that caused
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the Dark One to come into the world.
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They joined the Dark One and they had to be put down, but
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they were. Said they're former eyes to die.
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Most of them, yes, OK, they were they were because you know, any
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anyone in the past to was able to wield the one power became
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our sky. And if you remember in last
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season, Louis Theron was talking to the leader of the women like
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he was the leader of the azadi. And you know, because of what
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happened to the men, there are no male azadiene.
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Right. So some of the Forsaken used to
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be Azadi and they were imprisoned with the Dark One.
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OK. And Ishmael, this one, he
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somehow was out, but if you notice in their last episode
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where the prison, one of the doors of the prison cracked.
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So that's going to maybe allow some of the Forsaken to escape
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because they even locked away too.
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OK. So, but they were his followers.
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He has given them access to an additional power, the true
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power. Because right now I said only
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using one power, and then there's a true power.
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OK, OK. Anyway, without giving way too
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much, I'm not sure how much I told you guys we talked about
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last season, how much y'all figured out, but that's safe
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enough to tell you. OK, cool.
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All right, let's talk about these characters and and what
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they have been getting up to. I will say this, as slow as this
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episode was, Moraine was getting on my last nerve.
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She really was. And I mean, I understand.
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I understand her state of mind. I understand what she must be
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going through as far as you know, this being a huge part of
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who she was, her being connected to the source.
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And she no longer is. She's not connected to land
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anymore. In that way.
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The bond is broken, or I won't say broken.
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It was masked and they can't lift it because of her not
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having access to the to the source.
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But I was like, Moraine, aside from these three people whose
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house you are just kind of holed up in for the last six months or
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so, you really are alone right now.
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You don't have your other sisters, you don't have the
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ambulance seat. Les is really the only person
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there who has your back, who is your ride or die, and you are
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treating him like garbage when I he's.
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Nervous too. And he has the patience of a St.
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because if that is the way she's been treating him every day for
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six months, Nah, I would have been like, you know what, We
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need some. Yeah, I need to.
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Go. It's like, it's like they're,
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it's like they're a married couple that has to stay together
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until one of them actually finds another place to stay.
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And it's like they're awkward and she doesn't want anything to
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do with him. And he's like, I'm trying, I'm
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trying to be cordial. Then he's just like, you know
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what, fuck it. You come downstairs and get your
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own damn food. I mean, and I can tell like
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she's trying to push him away probably because of whatever,
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whatever this stuff is that she's doing.
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So she she meets with this this sailor who tries to bring her a
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piece of that. What is the stone called?
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I can't, I can't. Windar brings her a piece of
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that thinking he bout to make some some money because if she's
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talking about she can go get a a prized racehorse for five marks.
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He was asking her for 50 that probably would have made him
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rich. And then he offers hers this
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poem for five marks. And then she was like, for a
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poem. And he was like, OK, I'll mark
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it down. I'll give you the poem for a
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dollar, but I'm not budging on the rock.
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She's like, OK, she gives him the mark, 'cause she takes the
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poem. She was like, that's all I need.
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So the thing about the the stone is that the same stone that the
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prison was made out of in the last episode, yes.
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And it's supposed to be a really strong stone, is not supposed to
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break. And this one is broken.
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So that's like significant, right?
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Yeah, really strong is an understatement.
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OK. Qandar is indestructible.
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OK, so the fact that it's broken is a big deal.
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Is a problem. OK, now that's not the same
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stone that Ishmael came out of, is it?
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The that the floor. Well, then she looked down and
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it was. Cracking.
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No. Didn't didn't Rand have the the
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stone in his hand? Because.
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Because Moraine had it in her hand at the end, didn't she?
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When she was telling LAN about what happened, what transpired?
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She had a piece in her hand. OK.
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From, from, from the, from the floor, yeah.
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Oh, OK, OK, OK, so, OK, So what does that stone, what does that
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stone or that material, what does it do exactly?
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Is is. Or is or would that be?
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Spoilery. What it doesn't do, it doesn't
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break. It's easy to tell you what it
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doesn't do. It doesn't break.
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OK, It's difficult to make. It's very rare.
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They don't like they. I would say they really don't
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like making it because it's indestructible.
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But there are times when they've needed it and that's why they
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used it to imprison the Dark One and the the Forsaken, because
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they shouldn't be able to break out of it.
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OK, but when you got somebody like the Dragon Reborn walking
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around, I guess that might make things a little bit easier.
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Lame so. You know what?
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Stop it, stop it. You just mad 'cause he got the
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powers and you don't know the. Message anyway.
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No, it wasn't. It wasn't supposed to break.
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It's not the IT does. It's not.
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It doesn't break. OK.
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It doesn't break, she knows, so the poem was important, but she
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already knew about the Quindia. Right.
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So that 'cause she was literally there when it happened.
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Yeah, OK. Right.
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And so there there anything in the world that is made of that
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might be breaking and that's not good.
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Oh, oh, OK. Like the tower?
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The tower is not made of Quindine.
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OK. Well, in the books is not.
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OK, I can see, I can see where Mike would think that though
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'cause I mean they they refer to it as the White Tower and that
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is very, very obviously a. It looked, it looked.
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Like a a bright white stone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK, yeah. When you when you say.
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That very specific reason why Quindar is was used for a
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specific thing and now it's the problem that it's breaking.
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OK. And so I didn't even think about
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the fact that, OK, if it broken the floor, that could mean it's
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breaking everywhere else, but. Or or weakening or.
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We OK, OK, but yeah, 'cause then how would he have gotten that
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piece 'cause I'm pretty sure he didn't go to the to what is the
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eye of the world? He.
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No, no, he. So, OK, so OK, OK.
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So that's probably something we'll learn a little bit more
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about as this season goes on. You think because I don't
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because I don't remember. It's been it's been a while
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since I've seen. The the way this the way the
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show is tracking the significance of this may not be
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for another two seasons. Oh, OK.
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Slow, yes. OK, OK.
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Well. I mean, it depends on how fast
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they want to jump forward. It depends on how much they're
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going to cut out, how much they're going to change.
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They've already changed a lot. Right.
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But if they're going to, if they're going to use this part
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of the story being really connect at Rand's got a Rand has
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a lot he has to do OK before that is even significant.
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OK. The Quebec.
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And we don't know exactly what Rand is doing 'cause we
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literally only saw one shot of him in this episode, and that
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was because it was Beltine and he was putting, you know, he was
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putting the Lantern up. So punk ass.
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You know what? Shout, shout to Ran having the
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worst, worst disguise ever. He's like, oh, I got it.
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I got to hide out. I don't want anyone finding me.
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You know, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna cut my hair.
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You. Can't be like a 6-7 dude with
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red hair walking around. He's still a 6-7 dude, but then
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he's. Not red, yeah, but depending on
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where he is in the world, that nobody.
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Got no cloak on. He ain't got no different
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clothes on. He out there bare headed, still
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with the same eyes. The eyes, mind you, are the
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same. Is that anyone sees those eyes,
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they're gonna be like Fran. What the fuck?
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But if he is on the other side of the world where people don't
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know him is, it won't matter as much.
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He grew up. He grew up in the two rivers.
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Didn't they say that that the dragon would draw people to him
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or draw whatever is going to happen to him or they'll be
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attracted to him? Yeah, but that doesn't
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necessarily mean they're going to be attracted to him because
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his red, because of his red butts cut and.
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And that doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means.
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Fine, whatever. You just want to hate and the
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man, look, the man has barely he was in he was in this episode
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for like 10 seconds. He hasn't even done anything to
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like, elicit this strong reaction yet.
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I got a whole season stuff to hate him for last season.
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What are you talking about? And you're talking like he has
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an Instagram where they can go look at his pictures and know
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who he is. Fine, OK, fine.
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I'm just saying. He grew up in the Two Rivers.
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People 100 miles away do not know who he is.
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All right, fine. The only thing that would make
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him stand out would be the red hair because dude, you got red
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hair. But it's like IU but later, you
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know other people have red hair than the IU so maybe he didn't
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have to shave his. Hair.
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Yeah, and like he didn't even know who the IO were, so.
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No. And there are people all over
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the place who's never seen the IO.
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OK, that's. Fine, yeah, just like there,
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there's a there's a line in in Outlander where Jamie Fraser,
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who is a redhead, his step kids come in the room when he's with
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Claire and one of them is red haired and she was like that
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little girl called you daddy, he said.
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I'm not the only red headed person in Scotland.
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It's like Rand isn't the only red headed person.
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He might not even be the only 6 foot 7 tall red haired person in
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that area. So.
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OK, human loyal. OK, fine.
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Loyal has a very distinct look about him.
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I don't think anybody will be mistaking him for anything other
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than what he is, so I'm just saying Layoff ran for a little
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bit. Yeah, set up for Marine for
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getting bail in trouble for being greedy as he came in and
00:22:14
said were you follow. He's like yeah.
00:22:15
She's like oh shit, get in your boat.
00:22:17
Go. He was like the fuck you do?
00:22:19
He's like just get in your boat like God damn it.
00:22:22
Yeah, because one for for one Duckett, for one Duckett.
00:22:25
Right. But so the quote UN quote,
00:22:28
people who are following him, not people at all this the what?
00:22:32
What do you call them? The right, the what?
00:22:34
Oh, I'm sorry, they call mergel. Yes them OK the the things that
00:22:39
came and whooped Moraine and Lance ass at the end of the
00:22:42
episode yeah because he was like yeah them things following me
00:22:46
with black clothes She was like did you see their face No, why?
00:22:49
She was like, yeah, you need to run, You need to.
00:22:52
She was like, go to jail, go directly to jail.
00:22:54
Do not pass gold. Then I can make $200.
00:22:57
Just get the. Fuck, he was like, my bro can't
00:22:59
go in the seat. She was like, well, sick and
00:23:00
short, just get the fuck home. I was like damn.
00:23:03
Look, the way that her attitude changed from before, he said he
00:23:09
was being followed by people in black clothes to afterwards.
00:23:13
What is it? We always say people are not
00:23:15
reading the room. He was not reading the room.
00:23:17
Because the moment her, the moment she shifted, I would have
00:23:21
been like, I'm out. Yeah, she was like, she was
00:23:23
like. Hold, hold up, hold up.
00:23:25
What? What do those people look like
00:23:27
they was following? You.
00:23:30
They got black clothes. Did you see their faces?
00:23:32
No, they kept their hoods. Yeah.
00:23:35
You want to go now? She could have really told him.
00:23:38
Your life is in danger. I need you to but she trying to
00:23:42
I'm. Sure, he figured that out.
00:23:44
Look, if he survived, if he made it to the boat, because, because
00:23:49
chances are he didn't, they found her.
00:23:51
Yeah, that's what they were. They were probably following
00:23:54
him. To get to her, especially if I
00:24:00
don't know how smart those things are, but if she's been
00:24:05
having visitors over the last six months, like they were
00:24:08
saying they were like, oh, this is what, her 44th visitor or
00:24:12
40th visitor? If you had that many people
00:24:15
coming to you for whatever it is that you're looking for, word of
00:24:19
mouth travels. People are probably like, yeah,
00:24:22
Maria and Sadai is looking for such and such like.
00:24:26
They probably don't. Maybe they don't comprehend it,
00:24:30
but the gossip is there. Whoever's controlling them is
00:24:33
probably like, yeah, you need to follow this person and this
00:24:36
person. You need to do this to try to
00:24:38
find her, 'cause obviously she's staying put.
00:24:41
Nobody's, nobody's coming to look for her.
00:24:44
She's sending out for people, which is kind of dangerous in
00:24:48
and of itself, but that's probably one of the reasons why
00:24:51
she's keeping land at arm's land, because she's doing
00:24:56
something that she none of this is doing.
00:24:58
You have no powers. You have no friends right now.
00:25:04
Not I mean, not really. You got the people that you live
00:25:07
with, but that's that's only four people.
00:25:10
You kinda need to be a little more careful, Moraine.
00:25:13
Well, who you invite into the house?
00:25:17
Not she'll care. She she trying to get what she
00:25:19
need to get. She'll care.
00:25:21
It's not like the merger or fades.
00:25:24
It's not like they talk to anybody to get information.
00:25:27
They they're not intelligence gatherers, but but you know,
00:25:32
they do have some tactical sense.
00:25:36
So if they do notice that all these people are going and been
00:25:42
made here, you know, so I don't know, it's it's hard.
00:25:48
It's one of those things that that OK, your, your instincts
00:25:54
are right because you're asking the questions.
00:25:56
I don't know how how smart they are.
00:25:59
They ain't really smart, I guess.
00:26:02
I mean, they're smarter. Than.
00:26:06
And see, I don't, I see from, from what I remember of last
00:26:09
season, I don't think so much that they're programmed as much
00:26:13
as they they are given orders and they do know enough to
00:26:17
follow orders. So that's why I was saying
00:26:19
whoever is controlling them is probably saying, hey, you know,
00:26:23
and especially if it's somebody like Ishmael who probably has a,
00:26:29
a way to come communicate with them telepathically if he's the
00:26:33
one doing it. But whoever is controlling them,
00:26:35
or whoever they're working for, whatever the case may be, they
00:26:39
probably have a way to communicate with them to where
00:26:42
they understand that. Sounds like a good hypothesis.
00:26:45
I mean if. Notice he didn't want to say
00:26:48
theory. That's.
00:26:50
Just a great theory. Hypothesis because yeah, he, he
00:26:55
knows Marine is alive. He knows that as long as Marine
00:27:00
is alive, she's going to, you know, try to fight them.
00:27:04
And maybe he's like, you know what?
00:27:06
And try to figure out how to get her power back that he stole
00:27:09
from her. Right.
00:27:10
So he sends, he's communicating with the merger.
00:27:14
We know he has that power, right?
00:27:16
He did it in The Cave. I mean he did it in the prison.
00:27:20
So he probably is talking to him and you know, fades or merger.
00:27:25
Sometimes they call fades, but they're.
00:27:27
Yeah, I think, I think they called them fades last.
00:27:29
Year they are. They're like the offspring or
00:27:36
offshoot of Trollix. They are throwback to the human
00:27:42
form. Like what?
00:27:45
Right. Weird, but they're they're
00:27:49
they're sort of human Trollix, the the more beastly offspring.
00:27:56
They don't survive long, but the merge will do.
00:28:00
And they're the ones that are sort of like the generals or
00:28:04
leaders of the trolleyk. Army, I do remember that.
00:28:08
OK, I. Remember that?
00:28:08
Yeah. So they have a little bit of
00:28:10
sense, but it's probably because they it's easier to communicate
00:28:15
with them and it's easy for them to communicate with the
00:28:19
trolleyks. OK, Does that make sense?
00:28:21
Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
00:28:24
Yeah, and you know, that would explain why the tragic armies
00:28:27
kind of sucked because the forsaking got locked away and
00:28:30
they left the mergel in charge of the armies.
00:28:34
You know, I paid whatever. But so it's going to be
00:28:38
interesting to see how how this plays out because you saw what
00:28:41
happened in the end. Normally if you're just doing
00:28:44
hand to hand combat with with them is is is is.
00:28:49
Especially. Outnumbered.
00:28:51
It's a, it should be a done deal.
00:28:53
But you know, Lynn, Lynn is a badass in the comic book.
00:28:57
I mean the comic book. In the books, he's a badass.
00:28:59
So anyone, yeah, is going to survive that.
00:29:02
It would be him. But I mean, Marae was not, she
00:29:05
wasn't doing too bad either, especially considering she
00:29:08
doesn't have her powers. You know, she she I'm not saying
00:29:13
that she was like, she wasn't Wonder Woman, but she, she held
00:29:17
her own for a while. She she actually put one of them
00:29:21
down and then the other two showed up and she just she yeah,
00:29:27
she definitely does not have the skills that landed.
00:29:29
Because when land came up out that at out that air and just
00:29:33
started, I was just like, OK, this is what I'm here for.
00:29:39
But then he started getting stabbed and I started having
00:29:42
problems. If, if I remember my my Book
00:29:45
Marine, Book Marine would look at that and be like, I wouldn't
00:29:49
be doing all that, 'cause that's what I got land for.
00:29:53
Yeah, but you've been treating land like shit, so the fact that
00:29:56
he even came to to save her is just she.
00:30:02
He doesn't. She does not deserve him.
00:30:04
She does not. He needs he needs to go back to
00:30:06
the Two Towers and go find Naive and they can go live the happy
00:30:11
life together 'cause Miranda does not deserve him.
00:30:15
I feel I feel I feel like she's she's kind of doing.
00:30:19
But though there's a movie with Matthew Broderick and either Meg
00:30:24
Ryan or Sarah Jessica Parker. It was Meg Ryan, but it's like
00:30:28
there were he was at the end of the movie.
00:30:30
She was like yelling at him. She was like dissing him, trying
00:30:33
to get him to leave. And she was on the plane.
00:30:35
She saw a movie of so she was looking at Lassie and this
00:30:39
episode of Lassie where Timmy is telling is trying to get rid of
00:30:42
him for his own good, like trying to get him to yell him
00:30:46
like just go away. So I'm like, see it, it it
00:30:50
really seems like she's, she's trying to piss him off where
00:30:54
he's just going to be like fucking go away, Yeah.
00:30:56
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:30:57
So she's, so it's like, it looks like she's trying to protect
00:31:00
him. She's she's, she's trying to
00:31:02
like keep him from getting hurt, but she doesn't realize that
00:31:05
he's very well trained. He's he's a very well trained
00:31:08
warder and he's not going anywhere.
00:31:11
Even though, and not only that, they've been together for 20
00:31:15
years, 20 years. You think six months of you
00:31:19
being an asshole is just going to make him be like, OK, no, I'm
00:31:23
gone. Especially considering that she
00:31:25
is all but helpless right now. He's not going to leave her like
00:31:29
that. You know, maybe, maybe she got
00:31:32
her, if she got her powers back, he'd probably be like, you know
00:31:35
what Deuces? I'm not, I'm not dealing with
00:31:37
this abuse anymore, 'cause like the way she told him to close
00:31:41
the door when the Sailor guy came door was like, bitch what?
00:31:49
And it it reminded me, or rather I was reminded of it later on
00:31:54
when when Leandro was having her little her little showdown with
00:31:59
Naive and she was talking about the waters and their
00:32:03
relationships with the acid diet.
00:32:05
She was like, they're nothing but glorified dogs.
00:32:07
I was like, Yep, that's exactly how Moraine has been treated
00:32:10
land in this episode. Like, yeah, not not too much
00:32:15
better than than a pet, but that pet just saved her life.
00:32:20
But he was like, where do you hide?
00:32:22
His ass with see. In it's very it's hard to kind
00:32:30
of separate the show from the book, but for her he she doesn't
00:32:38
really view him like a warder really see she didn't need him,
00:32:45
but she really more or less was trying to save him from.
00:32:52
Because of everything that happened with his Kingdom and.
00:32:55
Stuff happened she's really so with the struggle for her is not
00:33:03
having her powers. She can't protect him and so
00:33:11
she's a she's doing all these things We Michelle and I just
00:33:15
watched Star Trek the other day 2009 and the scene spoiler in
00:33:22
there where. That is not a spoiler, that is
00:33:25
how long ago. The sewer Spock is trying to
00:33:31
deal with Kirk. If the Kirk come back and Kirk
00:33:34
is they tell Kirk you you he's talking to spot Kirk is talking
00:33:38
to prime Spock on the planet. He's like you got to you got to
00:33:42
get him from in charge of the ship because he's emotionally
00:33:45
compromised. He's like no trust me, we just
00:33:49
lost our. Mother.
00:33:50
Yeah. Place and mother.
00:33:52
I'm emotionally compromised and that's how Marine is.
00:33:57
She has lost her power. She can't feel the source
00:34:02
anymore. Yeah, she's lost a part of
00:34:04
herself. Right, She's emotionally
00:34:06
compromised. She's.
00:34:07
Basically her reason for being, yeah.
00:34:10
Yeah, she's not thinking clearly.
00:34:11
She's doing things that make it look like she's thinking
00:34:14
clearly. She obviously has a plan, but as
00:34:17
far as Lane goes and and how she really feels about losing
00:34:22
powers, she's not. She's emotionally compromised.
00:34:25
Yeah, because I was going to ask this question.
00:34:28
So we know what happens when an isodide and water bond is
00:34:34
completely broken because we saw that with stepping last year
00:34:38
after what's her name died. Like, he literally really
00:34:43
couldn't function without her because that bond is so strong.
00:34:48
And I feel like when you're looking at the beginning of that
00:34:54
episode and you see, you see Moraine kind of in her solitude,
00:34:59
just kind of taking in what has happened to her.
00:35:02
When she's in the tub and she's trying to make, you know, she's
00:35:05
trying to make the water warm like we've seen her do before.
00:35:08
She can't do it. And she starts kind of crying
00:35:11
and she's breaking down. Then on the flip side, you see
00:35:14
Land out in the field. He's protecting, you know, he's
00:35:18
practicing his sword, his swordsmanship and all this other
00:35:22
stuff. But you also see him going
00:35:25
through an emotional thing right there.
00:35:28
So I was wondering, we know their their bond is masked.
00:35:33
That's not the same as being broken.
00:35:34
It's just basically like, OK, it's got a little muzzle on.
00:35:37
It's got a little muffle on it. So you don't feel it as much?
00:35:41
Can he still feel her at all with with the bond being masked
00:35:47
instead of broken? I don't see she mastered before
00:35:55
she lost her powers, so that's a good question.
00:36:01
OK. Or would it or would he be just
00:36:02
getting just enough where it will just like drive him crazy
00:36:06
where he can't get what he's what he's looking for from it?
00:36:10
See masking only hides the feelings and emotions it doesn't
00:36:19
necessarily see they don't. How do they?
00:36:23
I don't think they do that in the book.
00:36:25
I can't remember after I didn't finish reading, but I would
00:36:30
think the way it works is even if she's masking, when she had
00:36:37
her powers, when she was masking it, he couldn't tell where she
00:36:41
was, it couldn't tell what she was feeling.
00:36:45
OK. But he was still getting the
00:36:48
benefits of the bond. OK.
00:36:51
The the increased stamina, the increased strength.
00:36:56
And. All the, all the, all the
00:36:58
benefits of it, but he didn't have the the emotional
00:37:02
connection. OK, so he was just going through
00:37:05
his own thing at the same time they they were just showing us
00:37:09
that they were both going through something.
00:37:11
It is curious how this is working because is is is we,
00:37:21
we'll we'll find out more later. OK, 'cause I have I have some
00:37:25
suspicions about what's going on with her at this point.
00:37:28
Oh. I mean the obvious shouldn't
00:37:30
know. We have seen the whole thing.
00:37:33
But I don't see, that's the thing I don't remember because
00:37:36
it's it was so long ago and I haven't gone back to rewatch it.
00:37:39
So I'm I'm still a little worky. I am too because it's it's been
00:37:45
a while, but I have my suspicions about what's going on
00:37:51
with him and why he hasn't gone into despair.
00:37:54
Because if she lost her power and the bond is no more, that's
00:37:59
similar to if she had died, like you wouldn't she didn't untie
00:38:04
the bond. She didn't she didn't take the
00:38:07
stuff away. So because she couldn't and she
00:38:12
can't mask anymore because she doesn't have her powers.
00:38:16
OK, so it's just it's it's a little strange.
00:38:21
I don't know. I'm having a hard time trying to
00:38:23
figure out what's going on with the bond between is.
00:38:29
Is it because if the power is gone there shouldn't be a bomb?
00:38:34
OK, yeah. So I OK that because I was just
00:38:39
wondering weird if he was still, if he was still able to feel
00:38:42
like a tiny bit or if it was just them kind of showing us a
00:38:47
mirror image of what they were both going through.
00:38:49
Anything OK? OK.
00:38:53
Maybe. Maybe.
00:38:54
It's just instinct. I mean, they've been together
00:38:57
for 20 years. True, but maybe subconsciously
00:39:02
because he because because he couldn't feel her when she lost
00:39:07
her powers, that maybe it's subconsciously to him.
00:39:11
It still feels like he's being amassed.
00:39:15
OK, so then he wouldn't feel the loss, OK?
00:39:19
He wouldn't feel the disconnection because he's
00:39:21
already dealt with her masking and him being like right with
00:39:24
her. OK, Does that make sense?
00:39:27
Like it doesn't. It's not like she died and she's
00:39:30
no longer there. But he knows what she is, and he
00:39:32
knows that she hides it from him.
00:39:35
He still may feel like she's still hiding from him.
00:39:38
OK, you know OK. And it's fighting.
00:39:42
And also, as good a swordsman and athlete and physical
00:39:46
condition he is, he probably wouldn't really notice if he's
00:39:50
not exerting himself, he probably wouldn't notice that
00:39:53
he's not getting a benefit. OK, yeah, because I was going to
00:39:59
say some of those blows he took at the end, like he got stabbed
00:40:02
several times, he got slashed. His his tendons in his leg have
00:40:07
been cut. It looked like because of the
00:40:09
way that he was trying to get up and he was still getting up,
00:40:13
fighting, flipping, doing this and that.
00:40:17
And I was just like, how? But yeah, if he's been
00:40:21
benefiting from. From, from the bond for 20
00:40:25
years, I would think that some of that would still be kind of
00:40:28
maybe in there, you know, because I mean, I think if I
00:40:32
remember correctly from the first season when she was going
00:40:35
to see the ambulance seat in that little secret thing that
00:40:39
they have and, you know, she masked the bond.
00:40:43
It was like, OK, yeah, I can't feel you because obviously if
00:40:50
she going in there to have sex with her girlfriend, he don't
00:40:52
want to be feeling all of that and she don't want him feeling
00:40:55
all of that. But yeah, so it was just one of
00:40:58
those things. I was just kind of wondering,
00:41:00
well, I'm just let's not, let's not get it to a whole consent
00:41:04
conversation, right? But OK.
00:41:09
Oh, I'm sorry, side note because I won't talk about this.
00:41:12
It was so funny when E Gwen went to go see what's her name.
00:41:17
Yeah, we're we're about to, we're about to head, we're about
00:41:20
to head to the tower now. I was like, OK, we're going,
00:41:22
we're going to step away from Moraine and land for for a
00:41:25
little bit. Because all I'm going to say is
00:41:28
this man almost died to protect you.
00:41:30
You better, you better get your, you know, you better get your
00:41:33
shit together. So yeah, let's go to the tower,
00:41:36
because another person who was kind of sort of getting on my
00:41:39
nerves in this episode was 9 Dave.
00:41:42
Oh my God, miss Speaking of this episode being long, this episode
00:41:46
seemed like Naneeb was soaking through the castle for like 2
00:41:50
hours. Like every time she came on she
00:41:52
was soaking through the fucking. I understand.
00:41:55
I get I get why she's doing it because she's just like square
00:41:59
peg, round hole round holing this whole thing right now like
00:42:03
for real. Like she just doesn't fit in and
00:42:06
it's like. But but it's so crazy because
00:42:08
she's being so nasty to Alana, who from all from everything
00:42:12
that we saw in this episode, Alana has really been trying to
00:42:15
help them help her and Wayne. She's been encouraging.
00:42:20
She's she's like, it seems to me like she was kind of being a
00:42:25
little more favorited towards this side of the table then this
00:42:29
side of the table. But I don't not my name is like,
00:42:36
I understand there's a whole bunch of things that's going on.
00:42:39
Rand is gone. Karen is no longer there with
00:42:42
their Matt. They don't know where Matt is.
00:42:46
You know, land is off, land is gone.
00:42:49
Everybody thinks Rand is dead. I think Rand is.
00:42:51
Dead. Yeah, Land is, is gone.
00:42:54
He's not there. And you know, they've been there
00:42:58
for six months. And like she said, we're all all
00:43:00
we've all we've been doing is cleaning.
00:43:04
She's trying to teach y'all other stuff, but you're not
00:43:06
being receptive to it. When she drank that glass of
00:43:09
dirty water, I, yes, that's exactly the reaction I had.
00:43:14
And I actually had to cover my eyes instead of watching that
00:43:17
because I was like, that's just, I can't, I, I mean, I know it's
00:43:20
not real dirty water, but still it looked dirty enough.
00:43:22
And I was just like I'll. I mean, I I understand, like
00:43:28
trying to be rebellious, but I got my limits.
00:43:30
I'm not drinking shit water to rebel against you.
00:43:34
Like, no, I'll I'll be like, I'll be like, look over there.
00:43:38
Here, I drink it. Yeah, I'm like.
00:43:42
I was taking it back into my room and be like, I'll figure it
00:43:44
out. I'm not drinking it.
00:43:47
Yeah, I'm. Yeah, She was just kind of.
00:43:51
She was really working my nerves in this episode too.
00:43:54
Except for when she was with when she was with Alana's two
00:43:59
warders. So obviously she doesn't have an
00:44:02
issue with them, but she has an issue with Alana, which I'm like
00:44:05
this woman is trying to help you, but she.
00:44:08
Doesn't trust us to die. You know what she should have
00:44:14
trusted Alana cause what happened she ended up getting a
00:44:17
dose of Leandrin and Leandrin gave it to her gay and put her
00:44:22
on her ass. I was like, OK girl.
00:44:29
But no, I don't trust her. It's like.
00:44:31
You don't trust who? Alana or Landry?
00:44:34
Landry. Oh, of course, of course.
00:44:36
I don't think. She's like, we don't have
00:44:38
followers 'cause they just slow us down.
00:44:40
I'm like. No.
00:44:41
OK, so I can understand the the meaning and the feeling behind
00:44:50
what she said as far as with the waters and bow, especially if I
00:44:55
think I think there was a discussion from last season
00:44:59
where she she, I think she had been abused by a man before she,
00:45:05
you know, something like that. I understand her distrust of
00:45:08
men. I understand why she prefers to
00:45:11
be with a a part of the sisterhood that that doesn't
00:45:15
have to deal with men or whatever.
00:45:18
I get that. I get it.
00:45:20
But I guess the whole tough love thing that she's trying to do
00:45:27
with Naive, I just don't see that working out so well for
00:45:32
her. Because you already had this
00:45:34
woman who you, by even your own admission, is one of the most
00:45:40
powerful channelers you guys have seen in the last 1000
00:45:44
years, and you are purposefully trying to piss her off to get
00:45:50
her to use this power. Boo, Boo.
00:45:53
That's not go. That's not gonna work out.
00:45:55
Good for you. It's not.
00:45:58
Well, I mean, honestly, this is all Nene's fault.
00:46:01
If Nene would would actually try 'cause it's like she's really
00:46:05
she's, she's, she's so she's so shell shocked and like like so
00:46:11
into inside herself that she's not trying.
00:46:13
And it's like if she would give like a little bit of effort,
00:46:16
then Landrum wouldn't have any ground to stand on against Alana
00:46:21
when they when they were talk, when they were talking in the
00:46:24
garden and they were saying she was saying, well, give her to
00:46:27
me. I'll, I'll, I'll make her do
00:46:28
something. But it's like if she would have
00:46:30
shown some something then, then, then they would been like, no,
00:46:34
she's doing stuff. Just give her some more time.
00:46:37
Yeah, but the only time that she's showing the the depth of
00:46:41
her power is when Land is being mentioned because or when it has
00:46:47
anything to do with land, because in the last season, it
00:46:50
was him almost dying when she released her power.
00:46:54
And in this one, Leandra mentioned land, something about
00:46:58
him being with Moraine and blah, blah, blah, and not being there.
00:47:01
And that's when she kind of went, you know, went off and
00:47:04
released that power. And then Leandra kind of got it.
00:47:07
She was like, yeah, I just cut you off with the source.
00:47:09
How you like that? I mean, she literally just did
00:47:12
to her what Ishmael did to Moraine, cut her off from the
00:47:18
source said hers was temporary. But again, I understand what
00:47:24
you're saying, right? But but my thing is like, you
00:47:27
know how they say it's never the loud people that you got to
00:47:31
worry about. It's the quiet.
00:47:32
It's the ones that you can sit there and push and push and push
00:47:36
and push and push. And then when they finally
00:47:39
explode, they're the ones who leave destruction in their path.
00:47:45
She is pushing the wrong buttons with Nyneve because one Nyneve
00:47:50
already don't like you. Period.
00:47:54
Yeah, she might be being an asshole to Alana, but I don't
00:47:59
think it's because she doesn't like Alana.
00:48:01
I think she really just does not like her circumstances.
00:48:04
She doesn't like being cut off from parent and mad.
00:48:08
Like I said, they're dealing with the fact that they think
00:48:10
Rand is dead, land is gone. She's cut off from everybody
00:48:14
that she really cares about. And she's surrounded by these
00:48:18
other novices, these other sisters, and a lot of might be
00:48:21
the only one treating them nice. Because the other chick who was
00:48:25
really kind of nasty and bitchy to E Gwen, when she threw the
00:48:30
dish in her ball, I was like, what the fuck is her problem?
00:48:33
Yeah, but that's probably how all the other sisters are
00:48:35
treating them. So I can understand her not
00:48:39
wanting to, you know, feel a little sisterly there, but.
00:48:46
She. Is a she is a bomb waiting to go
00:48:49
off. Yeah, she think about in the two
00:48:52
rivers, she was a wisdom. She was the person that, or she
00:48:57
was part of the group that everybody looked up to, but
00:49:01
everyone look to for guidance and protection.
00:49:05
She only went with them to protect them.
00:49:08
Yeah. And in her mind, she has kind of
00:49:11
failed. Yeah.
00:49:12
Randy's dead. Matt is in the wind.
00:49:16
Karen is in the wind. And she's here where all the
00:49:21
work she did to get to the position of being wisdom and
00:49:25
y'all have started at the bottom.
00:49:26
Yeah. You're so she has all that going
00:49:29
against her. You're telling her how powerful
00:49:32
she is. She uses her power and it's a
00:49:35
lot and it's scary to her. Yeah, because she doesn't know
00:49:39
how to control it. She doesn't know how to control
00:49:41
it. And she's also as a wisdom,
00:49:44
she's afraid if she uses her power, she's going to lose
00:49:47
control, you know, and and she's in a real tough situation, you
00:49:52
know, and she doesn't trust, has to die.
00:49:54
She was raised not to trust them.
00:49:57
Yeah. And And it's very hard being
00:49:59
here with him. And the only reason why she
00:50:01
probably still hanging around is because.
00:50:04
Gwen is there. Gwen is there, and if she can't
00:50:07
protect everybody else, she can at least stay there to protect
00:50:10
the Gwen. Yeah, yeah.
00:50:13
Yeah, and she's not going to let these women boss her around when
00:50:17
she's the one who's done the bossing.
00:50:19
Yeah. And that was one of the things
00:50:21
that was important to her care for her character in the book.
00:50:24
She was bossy. OK, she was bossy, everybody,
00:50:28
and she did not like the way that I said I talked to her.
00:50:31
Yeah, and, and I don't blame her.
00:50:33
I mean, yeah, but that's why I said Alana is the one.
00:50:37
She seems to be the only one. Like, yeah, she has a little bit
00:50:40
of a snark to what she's saying, but it's only because she knows
00:50:44
Naive is challenging her and she's pushing back a little bit.
00:50:48
But it it's just like at some point what she's doing now is
00:50:57
that's not going to work it. She's she's going to lose
00:50:59
control as much as she's trying not to do it and I'm not doing
00:51:04
it and giving her look, she came.
00:51:10
Around she's definitely Leandra is going to push her over the
00:51:13
edge. Exactly, exactly.
00:51:17
But I you know what if I was Leandra?
00:51:19
Because this is the one thing I will say too, and I need
00:51:22
probably also has it in her mind because everybody keeps saying
00:51:26
it. I'm the most powerful channeler
00:51:28
in the last 1000 years. Y'all.
00:51:30
Y'all don't want to fuck with me, leave me, leave me the fuck
00:51:32
alone. That's probably what she's
00:51:34
thinking in her mind. Yeah, I think they probably
00:51:36
shouldn't have told her that, but it's like, and because,
00:51:40
because it's like even if you if you're going into something in
00:51:44
so there I said you're the best, but you're but you're they're
00:51:46
basically doing the isodive version of Mr. Miyagi and them
00:51:49
getting getting them to wax on, wax off and like sand the floor
00:51:53
and paint the fence and all this shit.
00:51:54
And it's like you're like, what the fuck is this bullshit?
00:51:57
Like Nick, I don't want to do all this.
00:51:59
And especially just like you said, since she was a wisdom and
00:52:02
in charge of people, she's like, it's really hard to go from that
00:52:06
to being to not being into having someone over you and
00:52:11
telling you what to do, no matter how nice, no matter how
00:52:14
nice or how mean they are. It's like you've lost a certain
00:52:17
cache, a certain level. Yeah.
00:52:19
And that's hard for anybody. And, and and and you, you're
00:52:25
like, well, I said, I just saved you.
00:52:27
Why am I working for you? Why aren't we contemporaries?
00:52:29
Why are you like my boss? Hey, that's hard.
00:52:34
Yeah, OK, so now let's talk about it.
00:52:37
Quite that poor baby, I thought in this.
00:52:46
In this episode, she walks. She walked by when they were
00:52:48
having their little threesome thing too, right?
00:52:50
She didn't walk by, she was in the room.
00:52:52
Cleaning up. Cleaning the meal, Yeah.
00:52:55
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:56
But as we can tell, Alana don't care.
00:52:58
Alana is just like, OK, whatever.
00:53:00
'S going. Whatever's going to feel good?
00:53:03
When is going to feel good? How is going to feel good?
00:53:05
Whoever's going to feel good. It's just, hey, that's that's
00:53:09
what we don't go with it. That's what we doing.
00:53:11
And Winnie Gwen came in to talk to her later about not being
00:53:15
able to do the the weaves. And she was sitting there, she
00:53:19
was eating at pomegranate. She was just like, I was like,
00:53:24
Oh my God, if if there wasn't such an age disparity, I would
00:53:28
think that she was trying to seduce a Gwen because she's just
00:53:30
looking at her. But no, I think she's like
00:53:32
trying to get a Gwen to kind of loosen up because, I mean, you
00:53:37
can tell it it Gwen has kind of sprung a little tight,
00:53:40
especially because of the fact that Rand is gone because she
00:53:43
thinks he's dead. Like, that was the love of her
00:53:45
life. So she's just sitting here like,
00:53:49
yeah, she probably looks she probably needs to join Alana in
00:53:52
that bed for since I mean, that point, baby, she looked like she
00:54:00
looked like she was horrified. I was, she was like, OK, you
00:54:03
know what? That's a little, that's a little
00:54:06
too much for me, so. I think we're having two
00:54:08
different conversations. She's like.
00:54:11
Hilarious. Thank you so much for the
00:54:13
advice. Yeah, I'm going to go to the
00:54:15
lounge just looking at her like and oh, she also, she also
00:54:20
started. She did that when I need too.
00:54:24
When she was talking about picture, picture of what did she
00:54:29
say? Picture of rosebud, picture of
00:54:31
blossom, picture of it's pink, it's supple.
00:54:35
And then he was like, OK, I got it.
00:54:37
I. Mean.
00:54:43
I love Alana. Alana, Alana is a green, is a
00:54:46
green one, right? Is a green Aja?
00:54:50
Green Aja, Yeah. Earth yes I I love her character
00:54:54
she. Earth.
00:54:55
That's why she's dirty. That makes perfect sense.
00:54:57
OK. But she she made this episode
00:55:01
fun. She made this episode fun.
00:55:04
Her and the two wards. I cannot remember the names
00:55:07
right now, but when they were when they were sparring with
00:55:12
Naive and they were talking to her about their purpose and and
00:55:15
you know, they figured out that she's not doing well in her
00:55:19
lessons. They're like, look, here's the
00:55:21
thing. You need to figure out why you
00:55:23
came here and you need to let that be your purpose.
00:55:25
You can't just be here because people are telling you, you need
00:55:27
to be here. You need to want to be here and
00:55:30
you need to know why you're here.
00:55:32
And I'm sitting here like she here, cousin land.
00:55:34
That's literally it. She don't want to be a Azidai.
00:55:38
She just she here for him. She here for a way.
00:55:41
She here for her people. That's it, That's it.
00:55:45
But I like that she has them to talk to because I feel like even
00:55:50
though she and Gwen are from the same town, they're they're very
00:55:54
close. I feel like they're kind of on
00:55:57
two different levels right now because it Gwen seems to really
00:56:01
want to learn what she needs to do to be a acid diet and Naneeve
00:56:06
just she doesn't. I think naneeve is just like,
00:56:09
can we just go back to the two rivers and forget all this other
00:56:12
shit happened? I think she would be be really
00:56:15
happy if they could just do that.
00:56:16
They could just if Ram could come back, if they could find
00:56:20
Matt and just go back home, I think for her, she would be
00:56:24
happy except for the fact that Lamb wouldn't be there, but he
00:56:28
could come and visit, you know. But yeah, I just where Dwayne I
00:56:35
I that poor baby. I think, but I think dwayne's
00:56:40
gonna but be alright. Quicker than naive it's gonna
00:56:44
be. Yeah, 'cause like I said, she
00:56:45
actually wants to be a nice guy. Yeah.
00:56:48
Yeah, so she's kind of where she wants to be right now.
00:56:51
She's you know, she's I think she's struggling because of
00:56:57
everything that's gone on with, you know, Ram being gone, Matt
00:57:00
being gone, parent being gone, like it's just her and Wayne
00:57:03
now. And she might be feeling a
00:57:05
little lost. But ever since Moraine kind of
00:57:09
put that bug in her head that, you know, you don't listen to
00:57:12
the wind. The wind listens to you.
00:57:14
You could be an ice to die. And even what Alana says in this
00:57:17
episode when she tells Nanny and she was like, Wayne, you know,
00:57:21
when you guys were in, was it Tarva?
00:57:24
Not Tarva LON? What was the other place where
00:57:28
they where the they defeated the trollops?
00:57:31
But anyway, wherever that place was, she was like, that's that
00:57:35
sister, the Princess or yeah, the Princess had to draw from
00:57:38
your power in order to defeat the trollops, not you guys
00:57:43
drawing from her. She drew from you.
00:57:45
She was like, Wayne could be one of the most powerful.
00:57:48
I said I there. Then she turned around saying I
00:57:50
need you could be 10 times more powerful.
00:57:54
And you saw it. Wayne's face.
00:57:55
She was at first she was like, yeah, this.
00:57:57
She was like, oh, wait. It's like she realized how
00:58:01
powerful I need is because again, not need isn't really
00:58:05
going around bragging about it. She's not trying to use her
00:58:08
powers or anything like that. So for I think for a Wayne to
00:58:12
hear that like, wait, so I could be powerful, but she could be 10
00:58:16
times more powerful to me. She's probably looking and I
00:58:19
need like, what the fuck are you doing?
00:58:23
We're so we can so we can do some great stuff and go home or
00:58:27
whatever. But yeah, OK, where do I want to
00:58:36
go next? Oh, I guess we need to talk
00:58:37
about pairing because. Yep, my favorite werewolf.
00:58:42
No. He is not.
00:58:43
No parent is trip. Parent is what?
00:58:47
Nothing. Go ahead.
00:58:48
Didn't. You say he's trash.
00:58:50
Go ahead. Didn't.
00:58:51
You say, Oh no, you know you're not.
00:58:53
We're not doing that. No, we're not doing that.
00:58:56
Oh, the parent's my dog. I look here's.
00:58:58
Why my dog? I see what you did there.
00:59:03
Is why the parent hate. It's why you hate.
00:59:07
Me, OK, I'm I'm going to disclaimer, it is very difficult
00:59:13
to separate the book from the show.
00:59:15
OK. I'm really trying, it's very
00:59:17
difficult. I'm not a fan of this
00:59:20
characterization of parent. You.
00:59:22
Understand, because a lot of parents stuff in the book is
00:59:27
introspective. It's inside voice, it's
00:59:30
thoughts, it's descriptions of feelings.
00:59:34
You can't really do that on the TV show.
00:59:36
Right, you have. To act that way and you realize,
00:59:41
man, if, if he's acting the way parent feels in the book, why,
00:59:46
why would anyone like him? Because first of all, first of
00:59:50
all, first of all, let her go. Take the ring off, put it on the
00:59:58
thing and let the woman go. She's gone.
01:00:02
She's not coming back. Yeah, but you know what it's
01:00:04
been like for the year? But you got to move on.
01:00:08
Yeah, but you got you got people in real life who take years to
01:00:13
go through that process. Hey, hey, I I totally
01:00:16
understand, but this is a science.
01:00:19
This is a fantasy TV show. Let her go.
01:00:23
OK, because. I don't think it's hard.
01:00:26
I don't think it's necessarily cool.
01:00:28
For him, because he feels like it's her, his father.
01:00:31
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
01:00:32
I don't think it's necessarily that he can't let go of her.
01:00:35
I think he can't let go of his guilt.
01:00:38
And I think that that that's a reminder for him.
01:00:41
He's got to let it go. It's only slowing him down.
01:00:44
And also I need for him to get with the program.
01:00:47
Why is he trying to fight all these signs and signals to him
01:00:51
and it seems like he's just, I don't know.
01:00:56
Yeah, when you have another black man walk in front of you
01:00:58
with the gold eyes, you need to be asking some questions.
01:01:01
Like bro, can we have a conversation?
01:01:03
Yeah, So, OK, so there's this thing I always tell all my
01:01:07
friends and I tell the kids I work with.
01:01:09
Your emotions always follow the path of these resistance.
01:01:13
So yes, he's feeling a lot of guilt about his wife, Lila I.
01:01:17
Think Layla. He's Layla.
01:01:19
He's feeling a lot of guilt about that and he he's, he's not
01:01:25
the kind of person to direct all that energy on himself.
01:01:28
So all those emotions have to go somewhere else.
01:01:31
So he seems like he's angry all the time, 'cause he's lashing
01:01:34
out there, everybody. I mean, he literally said it in
01:01:37
this episode. He was like, I have so much
01:01:39
rage. Especially because Pat and Fame
01:01:41
was not necessarily a trusted friend, but someone that they
01:01:45
knew, someone that they considered friendly.
01:01:48
And yeah, you know. Yeah, so this is before we had
01:01:53
grief counseling and trauma therapy, of course, but he
01:01:56
literally needs to sit down and talk to someone about his guilt.
01:02:01
Have you noticed that there is no trauma therapy?
01:02:04
There is no counseling in any sci-fi fantasy?
01:02:07
Whatever we watch, there is none, None, none, none, none,
01:02:12
none, none. The only time we ever see it is
01:02:16
when Thor was it. No, when Thor was talking to
01:02:21
Banner, he's like, I'm no, was that Iron Man?
01:02:24
He's like, I'm not that kind of doctor.
01:02:27
Yeah, that was Iron Man. Oh yeah.
01:02:30
No, yeah. Yeah.
01:02:32
Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I mean, therapy,
01:02:34
getting sexy, unless it's a woman in the gangster in New
01:02:36
Jersey for some reason, like it's not interesting.
01:02:42
But they need it. That's what we always talk
01:02:44
about, characters. They really do.
01:02:46
But he did. I remember he did talk to
01:02:48
someone about it, didn't he? Yeah, he talked to.
01:02:51
He talked to, I can't think of what his name is.
01:02:56
The guy who is the leader of the group that parent is traveling
01:03:01
with, He was Domenico. Domenico.
01:03:06
Wait. Yes, that's Dominico.
01:03:10
Yes, it is. Wait a minute.
01:03:17
No, because I saw him and I was like, he looks really fucking
01:03:20
familiar. So I looked him up.
01:03:21
I was like, mother fucker, that's Dominico.
01:03:23
Yep, you're right, 'cause I, you know what, I remember when the
01:03:26
casting announcement came out and we were talking about it
01:03:28
because we were actually still recording Discovery Witches at
01:03:32
that time. Witches, yeah.
01:03:33
God damn it, that is Dominico, isn't it?
01:03:35
It is. We got a vampire and a werewolf.
01:03:37
That's just don't. Be You know what?
01:03:38
I am not a werewolf. Didn't you say he's not a
01:03:41
werewolf, Anthony? He's.
01:03:44
Not a I know he's not a werewolf.
01:03:45
It's just fun. Fun.
01:03:46
Just like seeing Anthony shake his head at me.
01:03:49
But yeah, I love this. I love it.
01:03:51
It makes me look at it more because like, you know, this
01:03:55
confession, I didn't get through the whole season last year.
01:03:57
So I'm kind of watching this brand new.
01:04:00
Like I got, I got like halfway through this this season 2.
01:04:04
So. But he's like one of my favorite
01:04:06
parts of the whole thing. Yeah, of the parts that this is
01:04:09
I saw because like I was very, I was a fan of his Discovery
01:04:12
Witches. So it's really good seeing him
01:04:14
again. Oh.
01:04:16
My God, it damn sure is how. Did I know?
01:04:18
How did I know that? Beard.
01:04:20
How do you not recognize that beard?
01:04:22
Yes. How do you not recognize that
01:04:24
beard on that jawline? But I just kept looking at him
01:04:28
like I know him. I feel like a bad fan girl now.
01:04:34
Bad thing. Well, you should.
01:04:37
Oh my God, that is totally. But but yeah, he he parent,
01:04:41
parent needs some some serious dose of therapy.
01:04:45
Just like Matt, they they, they need help.
01:04:48
Matt needs an exorcism. Matt doesn't need therapy.
01:04:50
Matt, no. Matt needs to kill Leandron.
01:04:52
That's what Matt needs to do. Matt needs to kill Leandron and
01:04:55
get free. Because the.
01:04:56
Fact that she's sitting there reading the letter.
01:05:01
We'll get there, We'll get there.
01:05:02
Let's let's stay with parents for a second.
01:05:04
Let's stay with parents Loyal. Loyal's my dog.
01:05:09
I I love Loyal, loyal, Loyal is. Like I was going to say, that's
01:05:12
not, I don't think that would be like that.
01:05:15
That would not be the the politically correct thing to
01:05:18
say, because loyal does not look like a regular human ain't.
01:05:22
Man, I was not even, I wasn't even going there.
01:05:26
I was not even going there. Yeah, I mean you, I mean,
01:05:32
Loyal's the homie. He's the he's the homie that'll
01:05:35
tell you what you he's like. He's kind of like Drax, like you
01:05:38
like he'll he'll tell you what you want to hear.
01:05:40
He'll he'll tell you what you need to hear and not really
01:05:43
think. Oh, I probably shouldn't say it
01:05:44
like that. He'd make a good therapist,
01:05:47
that's who. Parent needs to.
01:05:48
Talk. He actually would, and I think.
01:05:51
I agree. And I think that's it's good
01:05:54
that they're traveling together because I think especially
01:05:58
because he knows a little bit about parents background, maybe
01:06:03
not a lot, but he knows enough to know that he was close to
01:06:07
Gwain and and naive. He's close enough to know that
01:06:11
he suffered a great loss with Rand, quote UN quote, dying with
01:06:15
Matt kind of being off grid or wherever it is that he is.
01:06:20
So I think I think he he's a good balance for herring
01:06:25
because, like you say, and the Perrin is angry all the time,
01:06:29
all the time. Loyale is happy all the time.
01:06:34
He's always in a good mood, he always has something positive to
01:06:37
say and it's just I, I, I think he is a tree hugging.
01:06:40
Hippie is what he literally is. What's the what child tonight?
01:06:48
Oh my God. I mean.
01:06:50
There's nothing wrong with that. I know that's absolutely.
01:06:52
Nothing wrong with that, I've got some good friends.
01:06:55
Here some people get offended by tree hugging.
01:06:58
They have the best weed. He's got like, he's got like
01:07:01
Fernanda Bull. What are we doing?
01:07:10
What are we doing? Like we're, we're talking, we're
01:07:13
talking about a fantasy show at damn near 10:00 at night.
01:07:16
This is what happens. Though, OK, OK.
01:07:21
Yeah, Perrin. So, you know, I, I, I need, I
01:07:25
need for him to move. OK, I'm, I was going to save
01:07:29
this to the end. I'm going to say it now.
01:07:31
I'm going to go ahead and get it out the way because I'm going to
01:07:33
forget watching, watching intellectual property that I've
01:07:40
already like what having read the books, knowing where the
01:07:44
story is kind of supposed to go. I'm I'm an impatient person.
01:07:50
OK. Right.
01:07:51
I'm an impatient. I'm, I'm looking at this like
01:07:54
they, these characters, they've got things they need to do, all
01:07:59
right? We got places they got to go.
01:08:01
They have roles they have to fulfill.
01:08:04
Yeah, I remember you. I remember you saying this when
01:08:06
we went over that the first time, right?
01:08:08
You were like. Can we get some stuff that
01:08:12
starts them where they need to be?
01:08:15
Right. Yeah.
01:08:17
OK. You got Matt in this situation.
01:08:19
I don't see how this is going to have Matt in the where he's
01:08:21
supposed to be were parents going through maybe you know, he
01:08:26
has to learn about the wolf thing and whatnot.
01:08:30
I gotcha Ran. We got 3 seconds of Ran doing
01:08:34
what the fuck? Lighting a Lighting a a Lantern.
01:08:39
Wayne's being no, Naniva's being stubborn, She ain't Boo.
01:08:44
I'm missing some character development is what I miss.
01:08:48
I'm missing. And you we watched this whole
01:08:50
episode where basically nothing happens.
01:08:55
Yeah, right. The episode end, they're all
01:08:58
still in the same place. Yeah.
01:09:01
Nothing changed and that's my biggest problem.
01:09:04
You you only we only going to get what, 8 episodes?
01:09:08
Is it 10? Yes.
01:09:11
And come on, we we don't have much and you've talked about
01:09:16
this before with the other shows.
01:09:18
Y'all are giving the six episodes, you know, and don't go
01:09:21
nowhere. You get you 4 four episodes of
01:09:23
going nowhere and then two episodes of excitement.
01:09:27
Come on guys. You you only have several
01:09:30
episodes? Yep.
01:09:31
Right. Just go ahead and move the story
01:09:33
forward. It's not going to hurt.
01:09:36
It's really not you're it seems like.
01:09:37
Especially when you got so many moving pieces.
01:09:40
A lot of moving pieces in so many different places and they
01:09:44
got they got a lot of crap they got to do.
01:09:46
Yeah. Yeah, this is a sweeping epic.
01:09:50
The final battle is coming. Got to get moving.
01:09:53
And we didn't go nowhere in this episode.
01:09:55
You really didn't learn anything in this episode.
01:09:58
Just that what Karen apparently has the ability to see echoes of
01:10:06
what happened because when they when they pull up to that
01:10:10
village and everybody is slaughtered, he has like a
01:10:13
vision of a little girl who escaped.
01:10:16
And the guy was like, yeah, there was a child that escaped.
01:10:21
And I'm like, how can parent do that?
01:10:25
Yeah, I don't think a werewolf can do that, Mike.
01:10:28
We we've seen them before. You never know we've.
01:10:30
Seen them? Before could be a Leighton tree.
01:10:34
In in the Two Towers, Lord of the Rings, when they were
01:10:40
looking for Marianne Pippen and yeah, Aragon is looking like, oh
01:10:46
wait, this happened. And then they scrambled over
01:10:49
here. It's just that they put bodies
01:10:52
with it, you know? But he was essentially doing the
01:10:56
same thing. Well, he was tracking.
01:10:58
That's different. Well, he still could.
01:11:02
He still did the same thing though.
01:11:03
He could kind of figure out what happened.
01:11:06
Yeah, figure out is different, but Karen actually had an echo
01:11:11
I. Think that was a vision, a
01:11:14
visual interpretation of what he was doing it.
01:11:18
Was an. Amazing kind of way of doing it
01:11:19
was a visual. He wasn't actually seeing what
01:11:22
happened, it's just that that's what he thought.
01:11:26
And we've seen other TV shows do it like Oh my God, some do it
01:11:32
better than the others. If you remember Mission
01:11:34
Impossible, when Ethan was figuring out what happened, he
01:11:38
was imagining all the different ways his team died and how it
01:11:41
felt. Still spoiler.
01:11:43
But OK, but see. Or or we watch, if you watch
01:11:46
like elementary or any of the any multitude of char Combs
01:11:51
things, they do the same thing. They walk in and they're like,
01:11:54
OK, based on what happened, this happened and this happened.
01:11:57
It wasn't. Like all they take the
01:11:59
procedurals where it's like they go through this crime, Yeah.
01:12:02
Right. That's all.
01:12:03
They're just trying to show that he has an instinct for that.
01:12:05
And it was a cool visual. But maybe, you know, I can say,
01:12:11
OK, well, since he's a Tavirian, maybe he can see echoes.
01:12:15
And that's what I was wondering because.
01:12:17
The guy is a wolf. The wolf guy, he did the same
01:12:21
thing. He's not intervening.
01:12:22
Yeah, that's just the reason why I was thinking it was that
01:12:26
because like even in the examples you just named like
01:12:32
it's different when you already know what you're looking for.
01:12:36
Like, OK, let's say like the detective procedurals, usually
01:12:41
you're recreating the steps to a crime and you have like a body
01:12:44
here. So you could you you already
01:12:46
know what this person looks like and you could kind of visualize
01:12:50
what happened. But the way this happened for
01:12:52
parent in this episode, he saw someone specific.
01:12:58
He saw a specific little girl, like exactly what she looked
01:13:01
like, and he didn't know that that a child had had escaped.
01:13:07
He just saw that vision. And then the guy was like, yeah,
01:13:10
child escaped. And it just happened to be that
01:13:12
child. That's why I was thinking it was
01:13:14
he was maybe has some kind of power related to whatever it is
01:13:18
that he's going through with his his animalistic eyes and all
01:13:23
this other stuff, whatever this transformation is about to be.
01:13:26
I was just thinking maybe that was one of the powers.
01:13:28
But I mean, if he couldn't do that in the books, that might be
01:13:32
different. But of course, they're changing
01:13:33
a lot from the books to the show, so.
01:13:36
Well, without giving away too much, it's not necessarily a
01:13:42
power. OK.
01:13:44
More or less part of his nature of what he's becoming.
01:13:49
OK, OK. OK, You're you're you're trying
01:14:00
not to spoil. I know.
01:14:02
I know. OK.
01:14:04
But it wasn't like he was re recreating something that maybe
01:14:11
someone had already seen and it was just a memory.
01:14:15
OK, OK. Then not necessarily powers of
01:14:21
intuition. OK.
01:14:22
So we won't expound on that anymore.
01:14:24
We'll just kind of wait and see how the season progresses.
01:14:28
Just say you are on the something.
01:14:30
It is a part of what he's becoming.
01:14:31
OK. I wouldn't necessarily call it a
01:14:34
power, just more or less part of his his nature.
01:14:37
OK, OK, OK, that makes sense. OK, let's see.
01:14:45
Do we have anything else about this episode that we need to
01:14:47
talk about? Oh, OK, yes, Mandrin haven't met
01:14:53
and I know she has met because Moraine was the one who sent the
01:14:58
message saying they need to be they need to be on the lookout
01:15:01
for this guy. And when the person said, who do
01:15:03
I give the message to? And she said the rare Asha, I
01:15:06
said, oh Lord, they're going to kill Matt.
01:15:09
But I didn't think she would she would have him kill Matt.
01:15:13
I know that she probably just intended for them to hold him.
01:15:16
Now, whether she intended for them to hold him for six months,
01:15:20
I don't know. But I will say this one, they
01:15:27
did recast the character of Matt.
01:15:30
I'm happy to say that it really didn't make that much of a
01:15:33
difference to me. Like I feel like he really he
01:15:36
came in and you know, we didn't get to see a lot from him in
01:15:39
this episode, but I feel like he'll be OK.
01:15:43
You know the. Other there was that much of a
01:15:48
difference. He just looked like he just
01:15:50
maybe shaved more. Yeah, he had less hair.
01:15:53
The other thing is I'm glad to see that Matt still is kind of
01:15:58
holding on to his sanity right now because I can imagine being
01:16:03
locked in a house with Leandron every day for six months.
01:16:09
I would probably be ready to throw myself off the tower.
01:16:13
I'm just saying I do not like that character.
01:16:16
She is horrible. I hate her and I just, she just
01:16:20
she grates my nerves, but Matt is, I feel like Matt is not
01:16:27
going to be there too long. The fact that he was even able
01:16:32
to make a Lantern for Belle tie hide it and and she not have any
01:16:39
clue about it. I was like, OK, Matt still has
01:16:41
his wits about him. Probably even more so now that
01:16:45
he's been so separated from that dagger for so long.
01:16:49
It's like maybe now he's thinking like himself again
01:16:53
instead of being corrupted by the dagger from last season.
01:16:56
So I was like, yeah, Matt's probably going to find a way to
01:17:01
get out of there. We got to remember Matt, Matt is
01:17:03
a con artist. He has a way of getting out of
01:17:07
kind of sticky situations and figuring things out.
01:17:10
So I don't think he's going to be with Leandra for long.
01:17:13
But I thought it was so cruel that she sat there and read
01:17:16
parents letter and she omitted all mention of him in the
01:17:20
letter. Like, oh, he didn't even mention
01:17:22
you. I was like you.
01:17:24
You try to turn him against them.
01:17:26
I don't like you and I hope you get what's coming.
01:17:29
I just I don't like that characteristics all I'm.
01:17:33
Going to say about Matt is, you know, anyone who's listening,
01:17:38
who's read the books knows that Matt is probably the most
01:17:42
popular character. He's probably the fan favorite
01:17:45
of people who read the books and it it's kind of it's kind of
01:17:52
disheartening because you said something interesting.
01:17:55
You know, Matt is a con artist. What makes Matt such a good
01:18:01
gambler and and confidence game artist is he never loses his to
01:18:08
very nature is that luck is always on his side.
01:18:12
Yeah. Even in the worst of situations
01:18:16
he is like if something terrible happens to him, it was for a
01:18:19
reason. He's lucky.
01:18:22
I'm not, I'm not. And I know they didn't write the
01:18:26
character this way. He started out it seems like, as
01:18:30
a loser. He always was losing Stephanie
01:18:33
old people money and yeah, that's that's that's a problem
01:18:39
for me. OK.
01:18:41
Because I know they're going to, I know they're going to change
01:18:44
it and make it different, but there are things that are going
01:18:47
to happen to him simply because he's a lucky ass motherfucker.
01:18:53
You know there are things that can happen in.
01:18:58
That we talked. We talked about that in the
01:19:00
first season, right? Yeah, the things that he's going
01:19:02
to do, that happens because of his luck, being in the right
01:19:08
place at the right time. Oh, OK, yes, OK.
01:19:11
I do remember, I do remember a little bit of his perspective.
01:19:13
You have to explain. And The thing is, I was talking
01:19:17
about this with someone earlier. If I'm writing a book and I have
01:19:20
a character at this point that has to make a decision about
01:19:23
something, but in order for my story to progress, I need for
01:19:27
him to make a decision in a specific way that doesn't match
01:19:31
anything that he's done previously.
01:19:32
Right. Right.
01:19:34
And I don't have any set up for him to make this change.
01:19:39
Why is he going left? Because his entire life he's
01:19:43
always gone right? Did I give it give you anything
01:19:47
to make him make you think that he would go left?
01:19:50
No. So Matt, all of a sudden he's
01:19:52
going to get lucky. You know, his luck just changed.
01:19:55
You told us the beginning he was a Tavarian, but you didn't
01:19:58
explain what it was. Didn't make Yeah, yeah, we
01:20:00
talked about that last season. Too, and one of the most
01:20:04
appealing things about Matt is that he's lucky that he gets so
01:20:09
freaking lucky and he's always has to be right on time and
01:20:13
right place. You know the other thing about
01:20:15
Tavarian? They could always feel where
01:20:18
each other were, no matter how far away they.
01:20:21
Were I remember you. I told you and they would know
01:20:25
that Rand was alive, they just wouldn't know where he was.
01:20:29
OK. Oh, I I can kind of feel him
01:20:31
tugging me too, because that's what Mike said earlier.
01:20:38
Aren't people supposed to be attracted to him or feel his
01:20:42
Tavirian nature draws people to him that he needs?
01:20:47
OK, OK, that are supposed to be with him.
01:20:49
That are supposed to be doing things for him.
01:20:52
He they feel his draw, they feel his pull and the decisions they
01:20:56
make sometimes like, God damn it, I'm doing this because of
01:20:59
fucking Ran. You know what I mean?
01:21:03
No matter how right, no matter how hard they try to find it.
01:21:09
I don't you know, there was a time when parent couldn't stand
01:21:12
Ran. But you know what?
01:21:13
He still did things because he knew it would it would help Ran.
01:21:18
OK, yeah. And this first episode I needed
01:21:24
I I would have liked for them to just give me some of that
01:21:28
because otherwise I don't really know where they're going with
01:21:30
this story. I really don't.
01:21:33
And I don't know, I don't think. And and I try not to watch it as
01:21:40
a book reader. And I thought I'd made that
01:21:43
decision last year. But even as trying to look at it
01:21:47
through the eyes of a non book reader it it it seems a little
01:21:51
strange. Some of the things that's
01:21:53
happening don't really don't really add up and I can't really
01:21:57
see where it's going. Yeah.
01:21:59
Because they spent so much time doing nothing.
01:22:02
It's almost like, it's almost like we're on the sacred
01:22:05
timeline and they're like everybody is branching out into
01:22:08
different branches and you're just like, how are they going to
01:22:12
come back together and make the story make sense when they're
01:22:14
all doing this? They're just kind of all over
01:22:17
the place. But yeah, OK.
01:22:21
Oh my God, I'm sitting here. He's in the background.
01:22:23
I did not know how. I did not get that this was I
01:22:28
don't. Know how he did either because
01:22:29
what we talked about this like last.
01:22:31
We and we probably did, but like I said, this was two years ago,
01:22:34
so I, I, I watched it tonight and it was just kind of like, he
01:22:39
looks so familiar. Anyway, do we have any final
01:22:44
thoughts on this episode? So basically we're just like,
01:22:47
OK, so basically we're like, this episode was slow.
01:22:54
They had a lot of stuff going on, but it moves slow and we
01:22:57
need them to pick up the pace and start giving us some story.
01:23:01
Yeah, so I don't want, I hate the when people say that all
01:23:07
black people look alike, but shout out to Gary Beetle and
01:23:11
Johann Meyers, who plays Patton Fane and Elias 'cause when I saw
01:23:18
both of them, I'm like, have we seen them in the same room?
01:23:21
Because I don't know. Yeah, I kind of got that.
01:23:24
I was like, are they brothers? Are they related?
01:23:28
I I kind of wondered that as well.
01:23:30
Yeah, it's like their pictures on IMDb is just like, it's like
01:23:33
the same guy in the light and in the dark.
01:23:35
And I'm just like. And one with long hair and one
01:23:39
with short hair. No, they both have short hair in
01:23:41
the in the IMDb pics which is which is weird too.
01:23:44
I'm like they look exactly the same.
01:23:47
Oh, that's funny. Why?
01:23:48
Why can't what? See we just trying to be free.
01:23:51
Like damn. You know what, y'all have been
01:23:54
on the road tonight. Oh, go ahead, Mike.
01:23:59
How are you? I just wanted to shout out to
01:24:05
the the the guy, what's his name?
01:24:08
The 11 guy that was just aggravated the whole time.
01:24:11
Uno. Uno.
01:24:12
Like, I'm like, I'm gonna like Uno.
01:24:16
I don't think he's gonna last long, 'cause he's just, all he
01:24:18
does is complain. I'm like, oh, you get ready to
01:24:20
go. But I like him 'cause Uno speaks
01:24:23
his mind. I I like him.
01:24:26
Real quick, since we're talking about Uno, last year, Michelle
01:24:30
and I went to Jordan Khan, which is the convention for the will
01:24:35
will of tie. And we actually got to see Guy
01:24:38
Roberts who plays, you know, and he is hilarious.
01:24:44
OK, he told some wonderful stories.
01:24:46
He's he's really, really good. And he was cool watching the
01:24:51
show because I hadn't watched the show since Jordan Khan.
01:24:56
So now knowing about him and, and seeing him speak and talk
01:25:01
about the show and the stuff behind the scenes, it was really
01:25:04
cool to see Uno and and remember, remember those
01:25:09
moments. But you know, Jordan Khan was.
01:25:11
Where is Jordan Khan? Here.
01:25:13
It's here like we're here. Where was that?
01:25:18
It's at the Century Marriott, isn't it?
01:25:20
Yeah, OK. The one right there, The Crown
01:25:24
Plaza. The Crown Plaza.
01:25:26
Oh, OK. Yeah, was it Ashford Dunwiddie?
01:25:29
Yeah. Oh, yes, OK.
01:25:32
Yeah. OK, it was.
01:25:36
Let's have one of them hotels. We have so many cons here now in
01:25:39
Atlanta. Really.
01:25:41
Here's a plug for the Jordan. Jordan Con is if you like Will
01:25:44
of Time and Robert Jordan. It is really, really good
01:25:48
convention. It's a nice small convention and
01:25:50
it's really a lot of people who are into Will of Time.
01:25:54
OK, It's really cool. And a lot of the I forgot what
01:25:58
they call the guy, the people that read the books before the
01:26:02
books come out. There are a lot of them there.
01:26:05
They have their little, they have their little get together
01:26:08
there. OK.
01:26:09
So it was. OK.
01:26:12
Yeah. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to
01:26:14
pull it up to see when Jordan Khan is this year.
01:26:21
'Cause I think we already reserved rooms, 'cause we're
01:26:23
going again. Oh, OK.
01:26:26
April, April 25th and 27th through 27th.
01:26:30
OK, OK. Oh cool.
01:26:34
So for those of you listening, yeah, Jordan Khan is going to be
01:26:37
April 25th through the 27th. OK, here in Atlanta, OK.
01:26:42
Here in Atlanta at the Crowne Plaza, Raviola or whatever,
01:26:46
however you say it, OK? Mike, you had something to say.
01:26:55
Right shout out to Ivan and Maxim who are the 2 waters that
01:26:57
were fighting with the. Yes, that's their names.
01:27:01
Like they were funny. Is it just like, yeah, I fell in
01:27:04
love with the warders. Like yeah, I fell in love with
01:27:06
And I said I he's like I always. Made me feel like a third wheel.
01:27:10
Third wheel. I don't know.
01:27:13
You didn't look like no third wheel in that bedroom when it
01:27:16
was in there. I.
01:27:20
Don't know. A lot of a lot of scenes seem to
01:27:23
be in in firm control of that. Very much so, yeah.
01:27:28
I, you know what I see? I was trying to avoid doing
01:27:32
that, and you just did it. We're just on the road tonight.
01:27:37
Yeah. Look, I think it's past all our
01:27:40
bad times. That's why it.
01:27:41
Really is, but this next episode needs to speed up.
01:27:45
Like for real. Like yeah, peripheral.
01:27:47
Hopefully it will so. I'll need, I'll need, I'll need
01:27:50
to watch this like four times, like to watch it in four
01:27:53
sections. It's like this is not a football
01:27:55
game. I need to watch it at 1, sitting
01:27:56
nine, four quarters. Yeah, yeah.
01:28:00
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01:28:05
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