#thewheeloftime In the penultimate season one episode of The Wheel of Time, lots of truths are revealed as Moraine and the group make their way through The Ways - without Mat. Rand's origin story is revealed. In the aftermath of Mat's abandonment, the group begins to fight amongst each other, while fighting against their deepest fears and insecurities. Forced to seek refuge in the city of Fal Dara, grievances are aired, relationships are fractures, formed, and repaired. One of the group realizes they are the Dragon Reborn, and makes a tough decision to protect the rest.
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Was the Pirates, welcome back to another episode of The Phantom
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hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with
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Anthony and Laurie and we are discussing episode 7 of The
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Wheel of Time series. And I like this episode because
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you get a little backstory at the beginning and towards the
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middle, we kind of find out Rands his origin story.
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If you will in this GIF it wasn't words and story following
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yes. Finally, you know, we have this
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woman who is obviously a warrior, she's in some Snowy
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Mountain. She's running, seems like she's
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running for her life and I didn't realize at first that she
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was pregnant. So she sat down and you saw a
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grabber stomach. And I was like, oh wait.
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It's a premium pregnant you somebody Mama because of course
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she has. She has, you know.
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She has a wrap on her head so you can't really see her hair.
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But someone comes at her with a spear and let me tell you I was
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sitting here watching this whole opening sequence like this is
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one of the baddest bitches in the world because this woman is
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pregnant fully pregnant. Answer her.
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Baby soldiers are coming after her and she is kicking their
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ass. Like multiple, you've got a
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couple of them coming at her at the same time, two of them.
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Then there's one point where she's fighting three of them at
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the same time. And she is holding her own but
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only way she even got hurt. She got stabbed by one because
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he caught her in the middle of a contraction.
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Hmm. I was like, wait a minute.
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Who is this woman? Like we don't really know
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anything about her except for what we see in this flashback
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and in the flashback later on, after she has given birth.
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But I was like, I need to know who this woman was.
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Do they talk about who she is in the series at all?
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You mean in the television series in the book like oh, oh,
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yes, we do. We know who she is?
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Oh, okay, yeah, you find out who she is, okay.
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Because I was like, well, then no, she is to you.
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I won't. I mean, aside from the fact that
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we, we just figured out that she's Ran's mother.
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Yes, you know, she's a she of course she is with the Ajo Ajo,
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this is during the at. Yeah, this is during IU, the
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first idea War, okay? And remember the The prophecy
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said that the Dragon. The prophecy that someone and
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Marines told yes, that the dragon was being born on Dragon
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mouth, right then. And this is when that was
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happening, okay? So this is when I think was just
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Hara more. So was her name and this is when
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she started having her vision was that the same time?
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So this. So This basically is tying into
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our theme for the year of the the theory and legends type you
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know King being born type of a thing right?
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Yeah this relates to where marine and Swan we're talking
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about the vision that I was being born right right.
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Okay. But yeah.
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So she's fighting in this beginning, then, of course,
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after she kills everyone, including the person who stabbed
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her in the side, no less. I'm like, this is well, I guess
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they didn't care but I was like, this is a pregnant woman.
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You stab her in the side, like how low down is that?
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Like he got the death he deserve but you can tell the eye you are
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very serious Warriors. They are very I think I talked
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about this before they very much.
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Like the Doom, they're the same as the on Freeman.
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Yeah, they're very similar and she is a maiden of the spear and
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they are the absolute fiercest Warriors that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well because like I said, she was in labor, having
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contractions, and she was an active labor, because even while
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she's fighting, she's having contractions.
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We know look, I know those contractions were less than 5
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minutes apart. She was about to have that baby.
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She was like, y'all are not about to kill me while I'm
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trying to have this baby or I think maybe she was worried
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about the baby whichever the case was she was whipping some
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ass and I was just looking at that.
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Like I think the first time I watched this episode I rewound
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that seen a couple of times just to watch because if you didn't
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know she was pregnant you would have never known she was
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pregnant the way she was moving the way she was jumping up in
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the air. And just amazing, amazing.
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There. And as a side note, shout out to
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the actress. Her name is Magdalena, so Tova,
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and she is actually a stunt person.
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Well, and we seen her work and doom, and underworld Carnival
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row. She's been a lot of different
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things in the stem person. Okay, well, well earn.
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Because she gave some spunk and some personality to this
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character. I don't even think we never
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heard of other word. We never heard her.
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Like we again, we don't know her name, we don't really know
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anything about her except for what we see on the screen at
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this point. You know, after she kills the
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man, she takes one of the cape's.
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She tears her clothes so that she could try to have this baby
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and then there's a spear or sword pointed at her in the
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midst of her pushing and it's one of these soldiers that she
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was fighting. Now we see later on in The
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episode that this ends up being rants father, and he helps her
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deliver the baby and then she dies.
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And that's how he ends up with ran.
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But I didn't see you see a clue with his sword?
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Yes, the Heron mark on it, which is the same as land sword,
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because he's a blade Master, just like land, okay?
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And only blade Masters can put that here in Mark the little
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bird on their sword. Okay.
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Okay. But yeah, badass complete
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badass. So I was like, okay, hopefully
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Ram comes by it, honestly, hopefully he gets that, you
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know, that same amount of skill but I don't know.
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We'll have to see So, anyway, going into the episode after
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that introduction. Everyone is in the ways except
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for Matt, Matt, took a look at the doorway and the last episode
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he was like, nope not going to do it, absolutely not.
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He kind of stayed behind so did you ever see any man, the new
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version of Candyman? No, I did not.
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Okay. This is a single one of the
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characters, opens the door to a basement, and she looks, he's
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dark. And she's like, nope, and closes
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the door. This helmet.
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Yeah, but you know our little Travelers they're going through
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the waves and of course, there's a little bit of, there's some
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discussion and disagreement there because of course, ran
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wants to go back for Matt and not eat white.
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Nine Eve also wants to go back for him and Moraine is trying to
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tell them. Look, he made, His choice.
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We have to go further. We have to go further.
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We have to finish this. We have to keep moving forward.
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And I think this is the part where you start to see a little
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bit of the breakdown in between the group, like I know the
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things that happened in the ways while they're there, you know,
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they get caught by this black Wind and The Black Wind starts
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Whispering like their deepest insecurities to them.
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And you can see it through the rest of the episode, how that
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kind of comes in between all of them there, they're all, they're
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kind of at odds. You know, there's some things
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there that cannot be taken back and that sort of thing.
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But it's almost like at once they get into the ways, you can
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feel whatever evil that's in there trying to pull them apart
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and you know, there's something that said later on In the
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episode moragne, she goes to see a Seer and the Seer is looking
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at the four of them 9 EV gwaine Rand and parent and she's
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telling Moraine different little things about them and Moraine is
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trying to figure out which one is the dragon.
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She was like do you see anyone's Vision stronger than the others?
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And she said, no, they're all linked, they're all like it.
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Like she saying they're all Equally as important and I
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thought about us talking in the last episode because I was like
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you know there was a mention by I think it was so on when they
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were talking about the fact that there were five potential
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dragons all in the same Village and we talked about how they had
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this connection to each other and I was just still wondering
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like okay so can it be that just that all five of them have to be
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in sync in order for the dragon to be reborn?
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This Time. I think what was it?
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That's why I said, why would the wheels of let the dragon soul in
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two separate pieces? And you said that they it
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wouldn't do that with the right. No wonder.
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It wouldn't do that. And if they did that they would
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be absolutely billion amongst most of the faithful.
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Okay. Yeah, it would be such a
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departure from anything that would remotely resemble Google
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of times like you Completely, like go against the Lord and
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everything else. The will of time is very much
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about time. Turning things being reborn.
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People being reincarnated souls are whole Souls.
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Cannot be put into pieces. And if you do that, our crisis,
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no Hulk Rex's, not nothing, miss you, and not at all.
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It would be totally, it wouldn't even be will of time anymore.
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And they're point. I would, I'll be like we can't
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do the podcast or you just can't because It's just, it would be,
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I would be. So I can even tell you how, I
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feel, I'll be beside myself. Okay.
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Let me, they have already done things that are such a departure
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from the show like that would be.
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The one thing you mean from the books from the book that there
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were just complete absolutely ruin it for me like we're not
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talking about, you know, making vampires shine in sunlight.
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We're talking about absolutely changing the The very structure
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of what The Wheel of Time is, okay?
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Okay, there isn't even a hint of a.
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So, okay, there's a case of Two. Souls occupying, the same body,
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Okay, now that is a theme in the book.
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But splitting ASL spring or Soul into pieces, know that, that
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would not work it. So you think that's probably
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more misdirection for those of us who are not familiar with the
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books. I think it was, I think it was
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trying to maybe a little bit but I think mostly to show that
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they're all equally important. Okay?
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Now, remember, I was, I was trying not to give away too
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much, but the last battle is near And there aren't, there are
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any isid. I were Chandler's is powerful as
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a forsaken because the time where the Forsaken is from, like
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the Golden Age, those eyes, who died are extremely powerful.
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So the wheel had to put out, Equally powerful eyes to die to.
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At least give the Light Side a chance, okay.
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And that's why Yugi queen and I need and why even though not
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naive Wayne hasn't shown her full power yet, but we have seen
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iguana needs full power. Yeah, several times.
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Yeah. And and you know Emma rained and
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so on and all the current ice Dai Li and Ranbir not Nearly
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enough to defeat before seeking it, just not powerful enough.
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Okay? If Thief track, along with the
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book, they just aren't powerful enough and the will put out
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people like parent to help and people like men, the the tell
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the Seer, okay, these people are being spun out land.
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They're out in this time because they are the people that ran is
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going to need. I mean we haven't Scratch, the
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surface of the people that he needs, right?
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So, yeah, there's that. Okay.
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Okay. But back to the ways I wanted to
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mention, I don't know if I talked about this on the show
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but the ways the old gear, which were loyal is with their from
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their call standings and their different standings around the
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place. Hmm, weighing the aiso died.
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Yeah. When I said, I've sealed the
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board, seal the dark one's prison, he tainted the male
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side. Right?
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That's the basis of the show. Well, the standings were the
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only places that the mail, I stacker, go and find Comfort,
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okay? And the old gear allowed to go
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to the standings, this was before the breaking.
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So as a gift to the or gear, the mill Chandler's, the mail acid,
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I built the ways they used side to side the side Dean to build
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the waist and the Using sort of like, the theory of the portal
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Stones, was a portal Stones. Were able to teleport people
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from one place to another. There are other ways they do it,
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but they created the waves. And inside of the ways, were
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like ramps and Pathways, they were these Lush Gardens because
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that's with your gear, did, they were Builders, they built
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things, it was like beautiful, but because it was built with
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the male side of the one power it also became corrected.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Because L'Oreal mentions that as they're walking through the
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ways, you know, he's like, you know, it's hard to think that
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this used to be much Gardens and trees.
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And, you know, just the ways that he was talking about, it's
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kind of like, it's a whole different thing that because, of
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course, his darkest dreary, it's, you know, it's a lot of
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stone. There is a void there that you
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can fall into again. Like I said, it reminded me of
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Lord, of the Rings when they were in the mines of Moria.
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Leah trying to get out. It has a very similar field for
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me and I think that's that's intentional because you're the
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requests that are on requires them to go through a dungeon, a
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dark path way to get to their goal.
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Yeah that's a Trope. It is it is and my the Black
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Wind, my chin chin. Is there a lot of theories about
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whether it is but it may have been a parasite that was in
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there that got corrupted. Well and just kind of X.
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OK. Or this could be a part of that
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corruption that's in there because you know, the waves are
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just completely corrupted. They are appear the old year, do
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have a remember, I talked about the terrain Grill.
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The our Grill in the Sangre, oh yes.
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Instead of using the one power they actually use interrogatory.
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Oh, that would open and close the they could actually build
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new Pathways. But Once the breaking happened,
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and it will actually when it became corrupted, they stopped
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making new Pathways, okay, okay. But that was a gift from the
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men, and it's like this because of that, that corruption that
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was in their mail their side of the power.
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Okay, okay, so, yes. I as a walking through the ways,
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you know, you have these different low conversations
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going on, where, I think Moraine and lamb we're talking about.
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So what if it was Matt? And you know, Moraine is kind of
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like, well, you know, he did have the darkness and the
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Darkness was, you know, the darkness from the dagger was
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feeding off of him as much as he was feeding off of it and then
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last says, well what if it's him and I was like, I know he's
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talking about ran and I know she knows he's talking about Ram but
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at the same time it's kind of like what parent is still there
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too. So obviously Karen.
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Is not. He's not the Dragon.
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But he is something else that could be powerful, right?
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And this, so it's a weird because as they're walking
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through these, this dark, you know, the cavern is Pitch Black,
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except, for where they have their torches, and he's walking,
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and he was like, there's something up ahead and, you
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know, the camera pans to the front and there's nothing but
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black day, I was like, oh, those Wolfie eyes are starting to come
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in handy, huh? Yeah, but then the werewolves in
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this world, it's not In the ways are in this world period.
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This in this world period, okay? So so if he is something he's
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not a werewolf, really like maybe a shape-shifter or
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something werewolves as we know them.
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Do not exist. Okay.
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In this world I'm picking up what you're putting down, I got
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you. So he is a okay, there are
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shape. Shifters there's werewolves and
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then there are going back to Tru blood To Nature where they're
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both at the same time but they're not necessarily one of
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the other. So, is he is this genetic or is
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this Magic based? Is that woman.
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I don't want to know. Oh no, well I'm just asking the
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question because I that's one of the few things because I read
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the first book that really got my attention because whenever
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they bring someone like that out into a story, they're not going
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to be the final hero, but they are going to have a very Evie,
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assistant type role. And usually it's something that
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involves them that's going to help the person get to the next
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level. So for him, he's one of the most
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interesting characters about the whole series for me.
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Hmm. Waste, your typical Quest Trope
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and fantasy, you have the night, you have a beast, you have a
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princess and you have religious power than yeah.
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Right. And you have the Sorceress or
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sorcerer, I mean you you have all the elements you had two
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Rogue but he decided not to come right.
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You have all here elements of a good fantasy stupid.
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Well, it's like I was, I got was I started tell you earlier this
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whole thing that I'm watching it because I've been reading
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Fiction science fiction fantasy, all my life.
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So you but this reminds me of a either a dumb down Dungeons and
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Dragons or a domed up forgotten around storyline.
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Basically, you just don't have driven anywhere or Tesla Health
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burfoot, but this is what it's like, you have a coloring book
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check mark here. Check mark here, check mark
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here, it's like down the line but the question is is how
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effectively did they? Tell the story because just like
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Laura's Rings. Just like The Hobbit movies,
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just like some of the other fancy stuff that I've watched
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inara. They start out with the premise.
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But in order to appeal to the TV audience, they kind of go off on
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her own because they think. Well, how about this?
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How that I say, instead of doing all that?
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How about you for once like the expanse, did put out the actual
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story and see whether or not the audience liked it and then go
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back and tweak its second season.
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I mean, that's my two cents in. If they get a second season, you
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know, we just had this conversation on Arthurian
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Legends, show about how a lot of these shows.
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They don't even get a chance to prove yourselves in, right?
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You can season because a lot of these streamer platforms are a
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lot of these companies are so quick to cancel them in the
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first. Now this hat, we don't so we
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don't know about second season for this, right?
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For will time. Yeah, yeah they're yeah.
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And I think they got renewed for a third season especially while
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talking about going on a leap of faith.
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Okay. Yeah, they renewed it for two
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seasons at the same time and this was I think maybe right
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before the end of the first season, again, we're kind of
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recording this episode a little bit after you know, the the
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first season premiere. But yeah, I think they got
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renewed for season 2, Season 3 matter.
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Fact, we already have a teaser trailer for season two, and I
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think season to a supposed to Premiere sometime later on this
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year, but I don't think they've, I don't think they've announced
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a date yet. They probably will, maybe
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around. I would assume they're probably
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going to announce a date around Comic-Con.
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Okay, they'll probably have a full trailer by being see.
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Here's, here's my other little nitpick.
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We watch a lot of fans. And I keep going back to what I
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consider the gold standard showing boat every time I watch
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the fancy like show these days I compared the shell and Bone.
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I don't mean to laugh settlement bones.
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Go standard really. Yes?
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Okay, yes, it is the gold standard because discovery,
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which is no longer on TV and that was definitely a gold
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standard should have got one more season but I mean, it's
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like You watch the stuff you want to watch this.
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Every, if I had my choice, I would watch Star Trek, Star Wars
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Doctor, Who and fantasy all day long.
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Okay. Literally, you know, in and out
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of that order and give me a good fantasy.
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Give me, you know what I have? But yeah, So yeah gold standard
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yeah I kind of I kind of agree with Lori in that because Shadow
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and bone is one of the shows that I feel when they did the
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adaptation from book to scream, you know one of the one of the
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things that was different about it is that there are two
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separate Series in this book universe that deal with two
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separate sets of characters and the show.
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Very seamlessly wove, those stories together to create the
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show and I think it is one of the better adaptations out there
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because they did keep a lot of things that were Central to the
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books and they did tweak some other things but the things that
00:24:26
they tweak I feel enhance the story as opposed to taking away
00:24:30
from it. You know.
00:24:32
I agree 100%. Yeah okay there there are two
00:24:35
things. The two things like in am I
00:24:39
looking at it as an adaptation and how it's done as the
00:24:42
adaptation? Where am I looking at it as a
00:24:45
standalone show without consideration of the source
00:24:48
material? If I'm watching Wheel of Time as
00:24:52
just the show itself and not considering adaptation, it's
00:24:56
actually not bad. It's beautifully shot.
00:24:58
The acting is actually pretty decent the, the pacing is a
00:25:03
little off, but when I compare it to Shadow and Bone, For me
00:25:08
it's a toe bone. Is if e to me, it's not I don't
00:25:13
know, I'm not is into the world as I am with the world here.
00:25:18
I think the characters here appealed to me slightly more
00:25:22
than the characters in Shadow and bone health, because you
00:25:27
bully. Brings it all down for me
00:25:28
because I cannot stand this for, and his kills me, whatever.
00:25:34
That's fair. But I had to take my dress.
00:25:36
For shot. But but I understand which all
00:25:39
is saying he said, no bone, their production quality is a
00:25:44
little bit better, then the production quality of this show
00:25:47
but the effects in this show, I think are much better than
00:25:50
showing bone. I think is really just a
00:25:53
personal preference happening. I just take issue with
00:25:56
chattering boy, band called the gold standard.
00:26:00
I'm just basically, I think Lord of the Rings.
00:26:03
The ring of power is gold standard to me now, I I like
00:26:07
everything about this show, I haven't seen it by.
00:26:10
I'm going to actually give you that because what I have seen,
00:26:13
gorgeously shot the the characters, the costumes.
00:26:17
Like I said, I'll get into that maybe this summer depending on
00:26:19
when I have time. But I'll give you the standard
00:26:24
Of all standards is of course, the Lord of the Rings movies,
00:26:27
once you get those, you move yourself down.
00:26:30
Okay, we talked briefly about Mists of Avalon, that is another
00:26:35
gold standard as far as shooting and filming and then you move
00:26:40
your move your weight out. If this was dragonlance and they
00:26:44
decide to do, I'm going to pull one out of my hat Legend of
00:26:47
whom, which is a huge story that they told later on.
00:26:49
I think it was about book, 18 or 19 of the series, but it is so
00:26:53
legendary about Out this mythical Warrior / dragon and
00:26:57
how they found it and took over the world and took it down.
00:26:59
There was a prophecy know that if they would say, hey we're
00:27:02
going to do that and Amazon's going to do it and we have Wheel
00:27:06
of Time. I'm actually probably going to
00:27:08
watch the Dragon launch Legend of whom I because I'm watching
00:27:11
this and it's grainy on me because I want the ice and I to
00:27:15
be better, I want more just shush.
00:27:20
And like I said, if we weren't podcasting, I probably would
00:27:25
watch this, hmm because I it's just it just gets under my skin
00:27:31
just a little bit. And the only other thing I want
00:27:37
to say is as far as the quest rope goes in, you have Shadow
00:27:42
and Bone and you have the little time which pretty much follows
00:27:45
the standards. It's a little bit different
00:27:47
because sometimes the Riders will do the Trope differently
00:27:51
because they don't want it to be like, with the what we
00:27:54
traditionally know, as a quest. Rope, right.
00:27:57
Did you all your standard characters?
00:27:59
That's why I like doing is a power.
00:28:01
So much is it doesn't necessarily follow the quest.
00:28:05
True. Okay, right.
00:28:07
You know, I don't see right now, but it doesn't seem like it's
00:28:09
going to track that way at all. Okay, is this day?
00:28:13
The Shadow and Bone? You have all of your different
00:28:15
players are all separated and I guess at some point they will
00:28:19
come together, but, whatever Quest they have for here, we
00:28:23
start out with the group together and being their
00:28:26
quizzing together. And now they're starting to fall
00:28:29
apart. Uh-huh.
00:28:30
So I actually like the quest rope a lot and most all fantasy
00:28:34
and we But it's all fantasy and sci-fi fantasy will kind of
00:28:38
follow the same. You see it?
00:28:40
The more you read, the more you see it and somebody was like to
00:28:44
do it differently than others. And sometimes the way The Wheel
00:28:46
of Time is doing the show may not necessarily be your cup of
00:28:50
tea, as opposed to seeing the relationships, develop in
00:28:55
something, like Shadow and Bone. Where, you know, at some point,
00:28:59
they're all going to come together.
00:29:01
But you see the different pieces there.
00:29:03
Yeah. That may appeal more to some
00:29:05
People as well. Yeah.
00:29:06
But like you say, even the writers of even the writers of
00:29:09
dance show knew that they had to go get the other book and
00:29:13
incorporated into the show because Shadow and Bone.
00:29:17
By itself wasn't going to be enough to support the show.
00:29:20
Yeah. I think as a show, it would have
00:29:23
been very one-dimensional and it would have, it literally would
00:29:27
have bled into everything else, you know, just kind of gotten
00:29:30
lost in the shuffle. And I think the addition of the
00:29:36
crows, really enhance the story because also to like with the
00:29:42
books, there are so many other things going on with other
00:29:44
characters that we have not gotten and probably will not get
00:29:48
the second season is going to be interesting because they are
00:29:53
talking about bringing elements of both the second and third
00:29:57
book into it. So we'll see.
00:29:59
But going back to the will of time I actually and maybe this
00:30:04
is because Cuz I don't know anything about the literary
00:30:07
version of the story, but I actually have no problems with
00:30:11
the way that they're telling the show, you know, there have been
00:30:13
a couple of times where it's just kind of like, okay.
00:30:15
I feel like we need more information but also I know that
00:30:18
a lot of times with shows like this they'll tell us the story
00:30:22
that's that's happening now and then like we got at the
00:30:25
beginning of this episode, you get little pieces of the past to
00:30:29
kind of come in and fill in those elements and then you get
00:30:35
You get other elements of the story told in different ways
00:30:39
that that were completely unexpected.
00:30:41
Like, I completely did not expect the whole thing with
00:30:46
lands back story that came out of nowhere for me but I love the
00:30:51
way that they told it because I feel like it came about very
00:30:56
organically like of course he's in this he's in this new place
00:31:01
that we've not been introduced to and it's like when They walk
00:31:05
into the callous immediately. Everyone there is like showing
00:31:10
him respect which if you think about the way that they've Set
00:31:15
This World up. You know, that I said I are the
00:31:18
important ones. In the waters are important but
00:31:21
they're not as important as I said I, you know, they're very
00:31:25
basically, as props as support. and so the fact that when, when
00:31:31
they walk in is more rain and land together and everyone They
00:31:38
greet him first and they say, you know, the dai-chien that
00:31:42
nickname, I was like, okay, that's something important
00:31:45
because the way the is almost like the roles reversed with
00:31:51
them, like they spoke to him first and then they spoke to
00:31:54
meringue even the leader. The lord of the castle spoke to
00:31:58
land first and then spoke to her.
00:32:01
And, you know, they throw a little things in there.
00:32:03
Like the guy said, welcome home, you know, you great ugly,
00:32:06
bastard. Something, you know, just very
00:32:08
playful, but I was like, okay. So this is where land is from So
00:32:13
naturally they would greet him but it's the level of respect
00:32:17
that you see them show him and I was like, oh he's something,
00:32:22
he's somebody very important here we can if you want to keep
00:32:27
going with the other stuff, we can Circle back to land, we can
00:32:30
oh, cuz this, oh we're definitely coming back to Circle
00:32:33
back to land because the way that that story even came out,
00:32:37
I'm like, oh yes, we need to talk about that.
00:32:40
But yeah, let's go back to let's go back to the So yeah, while
00:32:46
they're sitting there resting, of course.
00:32:50
At rollick shows up and this is Apparently one of the things
00:32:55
that's not supposed to happen like Charlie's or not supposed
00:32:57
to be in the ways, but as they mentioned, that could explain
00:33:01
how the Tri-Lakes got to the two rivers undetected because that
00:33:04
has been the question. Even when meringue was at the
00:33:08
tower, they were like, so how to try?
00:33:10
Looks like thousands of trolleys.
00:33:13
Get to the two rivers and you didn't warn anybody and she's
00:33:18
like well I kind of didn't know they were coming.
00:33:21
How did you not know this? But if they were traveling
00:33:24
through this, mystical magical, interdimensional space, then, no
00:33:30
one would know, you know, but the child looks come and they
00:33:36
start running. And, you know, they mentioned my
00:33:40
marching Shin, which is the black, when black member and
00:33:43
tells them, whatever it says, human my attention, will try to
00:33:47
talk to you or we'll talk to you.
00:33:49
We'll speak to you. Don't listen to anything.
00:33:51
It says. And then Matthew Shin starts
00:33:56
talking and the things we hear him say to the different people,
00:34:02
like he tells Moraine that she's leading them to their deaths.
00:34:07
She's not going to be able to accomplish anything that that
00:34:11
she wants. It tells 9 Eve that she won't be
00:34:17
able to protect them. She's going to hear their
00:34:19
screams just like she heard her parents frames.
00:34:23
It tells pairing that you really wanted Layla to die Because You
00:34:27
Loved another woman more than you loved your wife and it tells
00:34:33
it tells egwene you're an imposter imposter.
00:34:38
Yeah. You're an imposter fraud and it
00:34:40
tells ran, you know Wayne will never love you as much as you
00:34:44
loved her. She loved she left you want,
00:34:46
she'll leave you again and man. I think it says something to him
00:34:52
about you. You won't be able to protect
00:34:54
her. And I was just like, Okay, so
00:34:56
this thing is basically telling everybody.
00:35:00
They're, you know, their deepest darkest fear, right?
00:35:05
Yeah. But if almost like it affected,
00:35:09
95 more because it says, you know, you won't be able to
00:35:13
protect them. They'll die screaming.
00:35:16
Just as you're just like, you heard your parents, you'll do
00:35:19
nothing to save them and she's like, okay, you know, what?
00:35:23
Fuck you And she stands up on like one of the purchase and
00:35:28
what it said, one by one, one by one, you'll have nothing, you'll
00:35:32
have no, you have nothing and no one and she gets up there lad
00:35:38
tried to stop her and she's just walking and she lets out this
00:35:41
know and this scream and this big ball of white light.
00:35:47
And, and that's a crazy thing. It was contained, it's not like
00:35:51
it was white light all over, she made.
00:35:54
This ball to protect all of them from the black win and I was
00:35:59
like, yeah. There's something more to this
00:36:03
girl than they. All have any idea about it
00:36:07
because she was powerful. And I think this was the first
00:36:09
time that pairing and egwene really saw her do that.
00:36:13
I don't think. I don't think ran has seen it
00:36:17
either, but we didn't see like his reaction, but you see parent
00:36:23
and you see it Gwen looking at her.
00:36:25
Like, holy shit. Is she, I think only was Moran
00:36:29
was even conscious when she healed everyone.
00:36:33
I don't think so. I don't think anybody was I
00:36:36
don't have to go back. See, who ran into the cake?
00:36:40
Because she ran into the cave? Yes, some of the sheet but she
00:36:43
was one of the people who also got injured when yeah, the Falls
00:36:47
Dragon. I forgot what it was.
00:36:49
He exploded something. Then there it was it was either
00:36:53
accept or dagger things at X. I think it was an axe because
00:36:58
there were a lot of pieces that went into all those people.
00:37:01
So I don't know. Maybe more rain saw a little
00:37:05
bit, but I don't remember, I don't think she knew it had to
00:37:08
be a lot because he healed everybody.
00:37:10
Yeah, yeah. So But yes, a wild nine Eve is
00:37:21
blocking the Black Wind from getting to them.
00:37:25
More rain is opening up a portal to go to not not to where they
00:37:30
want it to go. But to go to I forgot what was
00:37:33
the name of the place. Was here Farm adding hmm I can't
00:37:39
remember file dhara. Yes that one that one for dark
00:37:45
but there was something interesting in the case when the
00:37:51
Black Wind was coming at them and the trollops were coming
00:37:55
towards them. And I wasn't sure if I saw it
00:37:59
correctly, until he appeared later on in the episode.
00:38:03
But Pat and fame was in the waves and I was like Oh him
00:38:12
evil. That was like that.
00:38:18
Like and I don't know. Of course we don't really see
00:38:22
him much through the rest of the episode.
00:38:24
There's a scene where a parent and egwene all of them, they're
00:38:29
walking through the town and Perón seized him and he stops
00:38:33
and he looks and I need is like, what's wrong.
00:38:36
He was like, just saw Pat in vain and she was like, No, he
00:38:40
was in the he was in the two rivers.
00:38:42
When the trollops attacked, he's dead and parent is like, I know
00:38:46
what I saw. I know what my Wolfie whatever.
00:38:50
We are golden, I saw that was panting faint.
00:38:54
So I was like, okay. So obviously he has some
00:38:59
nefarious thing that he's a part of, but again we don't really
00:39:03
see him in this episode. You see them briefly in the
00:39:07
cave, you see him when he walks out of the caves. oh, and you
00:39:10
see him when he's walking through the city, but I was like
00:39:14
So was he the one that left the Tri-Lakes in the ways and if so
00:39:19
then what does that mean he is because when we first meet him
00:39:23
he's just a you know he's just a cart vendor.
00:39:27
Yeah, I don't know to keep the book and visceral separate, I
00:39:33
don't know where they're going with him, so I don't want to
00:39:36
say, he's not the one that brought the trailer, okay?
00:39:39
I don't want to say that but it just shows making me think that
00:39:45
The way they're riding it, he did.
00:39:47
Okay? See, I get that too because I'm
00:39:50
a dancing with the books versus the TV.
00:39:52
That me there wasn't anything. He would have had a girl, he
00:39:55
would have gone all the way to the blight, find a portal that
00:40:02
he could open and then he went first and then sent the trial in
00:40:07
the tribes came through later but he I don't know.
00:40:10
I don't know. Of it, you know, don't really
00:40:18
math for me. Okay.
00:40:19
But I could see kind of withered that, that might be one of the
00:40:23
things were going with. So so answer, my question is, is
00:40:27
that if you are a follower obviously he is, but do you get
00:40:31
power? The more devoted you are to the
00:40:34
cause or do they just give you like, just a, like a one time,
00:40:38
maybe Extra Protection and then you serve do their bidding type
00:40:41
of a thing. It's a difficult question.
00:40:45
Oh come on, okay let me ask a simpler one, well I'll tell you.
00:40:50
Okay, in general, there is the true source.
00:40:54
Which were all the power comes from.
00:40:56
And then there's the one power in the 1 power is divided into
00:41:01
citing inside are just a male and female side of the power.
00:41:06
The one power, the dark one he does have the ability to give
00:41:11
people access to the true Source.
00:41:14
Okay? And if it's almost a now, the
00:41:19
peasant thing is not a Channeler, okay?
00:41:22
Alright. That's kind of what they
00:41:24
consider. A dark friend Die free.
00:41:26
This looks like there. That's what it, because that
00:41:30
seems like you. Like he's looking like he's a
00:41:32
dark, okay. He's also sort of Con man, like
00:41:40
he sort of out for himself and is trying to get over on people
00:41:43
and he could also be looking at this as a way to kind of, he's
00:41:46
is his his desire to want to have more and take from people
00:41:53
could be something that The Dark One is using to manipulate,
00:41:56
okay? Okay, but he could also be dark
00:42:00
friend but like right now, the dart friends don't try to be out
00:42:03
in the open too much because I said, I tend to squash them.
00:42:07
Well, actually, he wasn't either like he was in the caves and the
00:42:11
only reason why I saw him was because you had the light from 9
00:42:16
Eve's. I don't even know what you want
00:42:19
to call a reaction explosion whatever.
00:42:21
And you just kind of saw him over to the side and it's almost
00:42:25
like the way that with the coloring of his clothes and the
00:42:28
way that the the lighting was if you weren't really paying
00:42:32
attention you would have missed them.
00:42:34
Hmm. Like it's so he wasn't there
00:42:37
obviously and then obviously he came out long after they had
00:42:42
already entered the city and you know I don't know if him passing
00:42:49
by pairing in the city was something on purpose but nobody
00:42:54
else noticed him it was clearly on Purpose because he was
00:42:58
laughing, he walked by oh, was he?
00:43:01
I didn't even know. He was laughing laughing from
00:43:05
behind. He was laughing.
00:43:07
And he also did that earlier. When he popped up in the
00:43:10
background we didn't see, he was smiling too.
00:43:13
So this is like a game for him. But yes, I do believe they're
00:43:19
trying to make him out to be a dark friend, but I also consider
00:43:25
the possibility that they're they're going to milled a lot of
00:43:29
characters together. And it's possible that they're
00:43:32
going to melt him with another character that shows up later.
00:43:36
So I'm still trying to figure that out, okay?
00:43:39
But for the purposes of this show because like the bartender,
00:43:42
she was a dark friend but you didn't know it until she told.
00:43:46
Told you and that's usually how dark friend operate.
00:43:49
Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:51
I was thinking about the bartender that was in this.
00:43:54
Oh, no, not me. Yeah.
00:43:56
Yeah. Mean is not, okay?
00:44:01
Okay. So they come through.
00:44:05
So the answer Lori's original question is yes, but it doesn't
00:44:08
have, it doesn't really have anything to do with devotion.
00:44:12
When he does that, okay? Okay, okay.
00:44:15
Just yeah, that was in the back of my mind because like I said
00:44:18
you see him pops up Pops in pops out.
00:44:21
So okay, all the Forsaken are formally former I see that so
00:44:26
they already have access to the world to know that I'm sorry.
00:44:32
Okay? It was saving that during the
00:44:34
Golden Age. 3 years ago. Those I've survived it turned to
00:44:40
the dark side. The Forsaken.
00:44:44
Okay. Okay.
00:44:46
All right. Okay, so they're out of the ways
00:44:50
now they're answering filed hour and I was like--.
00:44:57
I'm guessing lands. Identity is not really that much
00:45:01
of a secret because L'Oreal when they were walking through the
00:45:04
gates, he said, how long has it been since you stepped inside
00:45:07
these Gates land? Never answered him.
00:45:10
But I was like, I was a lawyer, I'll knows that this is where
00:45:13
land is from. So is Lands identity well-known.
00:45:18
Yes, okay. Okay.
00:45:21
Yeah, he's malky here is his home?
00:45:25
Mmm. Yeah, I'm out here.
00:45:27
As the Borderlands, they board along the blight for Dora and
00:45:32
and sign our or different places Malik here is further north
00:45:37
okay. And it was overtaken by
00:45:38
Charlie's in the blight, okay? And the blight is something like
00:45:42
they started mentioning this thing in this episode and I was
00:45:45
like, what is the blight? Yeah.
00:45:47
They there's one criticism that I really have this show is they
00:45:52
don't give you a lot of necessary information.
00:45:57
Buy things that you need to know like I don't know if they were
00:46:00
holding back about the blight for some reason I think I
00:46:02
mentioned in passing before but the Bly is fairly important.
00:46:06
Yeah yeah. And it's fairly huge from what
00:46:09
we see at the end of the episode because we see random more rain,
00:46:12
getting ready to answer it and it's like this I don't even know
00:46:18
how to describe it. It's almost like this.
00:46:21
Huge magical overgrowth, that literally swallows up cities
00:46:27
before. It's the Forbidden Forest.
00:46:29
But yeah. Okay.
00:46:31
It is, it is okay. I'm going not going to get too
00:46:34
technical, but this is how I like to describe it is the dark
00:46:38
ones physical manifestation of his corruption in the world.
00:46:43
Okay. And it looks like those Vines
00:46:47
From Evolution that I was talking about on another show,
00:46:51
but yeah, that it looks like and it's just creeping, is, is
00:46:54
creeping down and the Tropics living me.
00:46:57
And that's, that's what the shinar and father.
00:47:01
That's where all this would be talk about fighting all the
00:47:03
time, okay? If they're, they're keeping the
00:47:06
trial except at Bay Ryan baby. And apparently this thing takes
00:47:10
over, like, it takes over the land, it takes over their
00:47:14
cities. And that's what happened to the
00:47:17
seven towers of Mac here that would land us from overtake.
00:47:21
And we find that out, we'll talk about, we'll talk about that
00:47:24
later because I got some other stuff to tie in with that whole
00:47:28
conversation. But like I mentioned earlier,
00:47:31
this is where we realized, you know, like I said, you realize
00:47:35
that land is someone important because of the way that the
00:47:39
soldiers when they come in and they see him it's like their
00:47:43
whole body language. JH like they stood up straighter
00:47:47
and they, you know, they bout to him, they show them respect, and
00:47:51
it's just the way that they said that name died.
00:47:53
Shin is like, oh, he's important because they're speaking to him.
00:47:59
They haven't even addressed more rain yet.
00:48:01
And I don't even think they address Moraine until they're in
00:48:04
the throne room with Lord Albemarle. that's so I was like
00:48:14
okay Lan is kinda sorta important here and this Lord he
00:48:21
is he is respectful towards land, he's respectful towards
00:48:25
Moraine For bitch. And then he's not disrespectful
00:48:32
towards Moraine but he's very arrogant because before she can
00:48:36
even say what they were there for.
00:48:38
He immediately assumes that the I said I sent her because the
00:48:44
blight is creeping up and he was like we know how to protect our
00:48:46
own. We don't need any help from
00:48:48
outside, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
00:48:49
And she was like if you would let me finish and then that's
00:48:53
when he was like, oh okay. But that's when, you know, she
00:48:58
was telling him, that's just they were coming with a warning
00:49:01
that, you know, the dragon is gathering his forces and blah,
00:49:04
blah, blah, blah, blah, and he's just sitting there looking.
00:49:08
And the other thing that bothered me was the way he
00:49:10
talked about his sister because his sister beautiful woman.
00:49:14
Apparently powerful she mentioned, they mentioned later
00:49:19
on that. She did go to the the White
00:49:21
Tower. She did train with the I said, I
00:49:24
and apparently she was not strong enough to become One of
00:49:27
them but she is still, you know, I guess power.
00:49:30
Yeah. Be I have mentioned before that
00:49:33
the royal family of the different kingdoms with sin.
00:49:36
They're princesses or you know anyone who's going to marry into
00:49:40
the royal family, possibly being the wife of a king or queen or
00:49:45
if they're going to be a queen they all go to the White Tower
00:49:47
to train, okay? And build find out if they have
00:49:50
power in that and if not, they still stay there and train them
00:49:54
because you know, Rod. So that I like to manipulate
00:49:58
everything. And, you know, earlier, I think
00:50:02
you said something about, people respect the ice of that, most of
00:50:06
the common folk are very distrustful, so that's that and
00:50:11
even more. So the Borderland people, they
00:50:15
don't trust a lot of people who aren't from the Borderlands,
00:50:21
definitely do not trust. Okay.
00:50:24
Definitely do not trust. I stock and most Most of your
00:50:27
kingdoms most of them, you know, even when you go to a lien and
00:50:32
tear, they don't care too much for the eyes of that, but that's
00:50:35
that tend to have their hands and everything trying to
00:50:38
manipulate everything. I mean, that's why they that's
00:50:40
why they drove swan out when she used her power.
00:50:44
Yeah. Because she's even the tear.
00:50:47
Yeah. And even low gain when little
00:50:50
game he was dead serious. When you say, you know, ten
00:50:53
years ago if I had said anything against us die.
00:50:57
I've been slaving hung and all that stuff right now.
00:51:01
She had nobody to chastise that. Yeah.
00:51:04
Yeah. Which in Robert and Robert
00:51:07
George's Brilliance is showing how imbalanced the world is
00:51:12
because there was a time when everyone trusted I survived but
00:51:15
then I said I broke the world. So okay.
00:51:21
You know, the other, the other funny thing that I noticed in
00:51:25
this scene where, you know, of course, I'm starting to notice
00:51:29
the the chain or the shift in Attitude between land and
00:51:34
Moraine when they appear in front of Loreal.
00:51:38
Gamar. Lan looks like, even though they
00:51:43
just came out of the ways and they were fighting and all this
00:51:46
other stuff, land looks very neat very well presented.
00:51:51
Very well put together and Moraine looks like she has been
00:51:55
run through the wringer and I was like oh this is interesting
00:51:59
how they I don't know if that was on purpose but every time
00:52:02
that we've seen a rain she's been very neatly quaffed.
00:52:06
She's been very Regal in her presentation and in this one
00:52:11
like you can tell she has been through some shit and I just
00:52:15
thought that was very interesting because again this
00:52:18
is where I noticed. Even before he met his reveal.
00:52:23
Oh, Lana someone important in this place, you know, in this
00:52:27
city. I mean, even the Lord spoke to
00:52:32
him with kind of, you know, reverence, in a way, it sounds
00:52:36
like we will Circle back to that.
00:52:38
Yeah. All right.
00:52:44
But you know, she starts telling him about the Tri-Lakes and the
00:52:49
attack and how they may be using the ways.
00:52:52
And I will say this for him to be as arrogant as he is.
00:52:56
And for him to say, oh we can protect our own blah, blah blah.
00:52:58
She was like, okay, why I come to you with a warning?
00:53:02
The Tri-Lakes are moving through the ways and you may want to go
00:53:07
ahead. He was she was like, I know you
00:53:08
can protect against the blight but you may want to go ahead and
00:53:11
put a team outside of your Doorway just in case and he
00:53:17
looked at her, he looked at his head of security.
00:53:20
He was like, do what she says and I was like, okay, this is
00:53:23
one of the things I liked about him.
00:53:27
I mean, we just saw him in this brief saying, but most of the
00:53:30
time, when we're given scenes with a male leader, who has to
00:53:36
deal with a female in a position of power, who is trying to give
00:53:42
him information. When that he does not, otherwise
00:53:45
have most of the times they treated very arrogantly, they
00:53:50
treated like oh, you know, you woman.
00:53:52
You don't know what you're talking about.
00:53:54
I'm not going to pay attention to you or you're overreacting
00:53:58
and he doesn't like whatever his feelings maybe about the Aisa
00:54:02
die or anything, or how, you know, proud key is about the
00:54:05
fact that they can hold their own.
00:54:08
When she says it, he actually listens.
00:54:12
And then he tells his people. Okay, go do what she said.
00:54:15
Yeah, he's not, he's not stupid. And as much as people especially
00:54:21
the but noble men, especially the royalty of the different
00:54:25
countries. Don't like I said that they
00:54:27
didn't know that they know what they're talking about, right?
00:54:30
You know. They don't want to be
00:54:31
manipulated by him there. Sure enough.
00:54:33
We'll listen to them and their counsel, and considerate.
00:54:37
So he does have to show her that that.
00:54:41
Yes, I'm the king here. This is Mike.
00:54:43
Country. We know what we're doing and
00:54:45
she's like, yeah, but you may want to do this.
00:54:46
He's like, okay because I make sure that that I'm not here to
00:54:50
counsel you. Yeah.
00:54:53
I'm just telling you what, you know, and, and she was very
00:54:57
complimentary sir I know are any.
00:54:59
I said, I have any doubts that you were able to keep the blight
00:55:02
at Bay, like we know, you can protect your company, your
00:55:06
country. But yeah, you might want to
00:55:09
know. They are sneaking through the
00:55:11
pathway that they're not supposed to be in.
00:55:13
In. So they may show up on your
00:55:15
doorstep and then you'll have to deal with the blight but
00:55:19
rowlocks hmm it's like okay yeah let's go take care of that. so
00:55:24
yeah, I thought that was I thought that was very
00:55:26
interesting you know, that they kind of made that difference
00:55:29
because when she said it, he kind of setup and he was looking
00:55:34
at her like Oh, okay. And you see him kind of sit down
00:55:40
and consider it. He looked over at a security
00:55:43
while the secured and his sister would looking at him.
00:55:45
He was like, do as she says, like what are you waiting for?
00:55:52
But um, Okay, let's let's go to to some other stuff.
00:55:57
So meringue goes to see The Seer and she takes the for with her
00:56:03
because she wants to see her to tell her who the dragon is now.
00:56:07
I was like, come on now Moraine you didn't really think it was
00:56:10
going to be that in that easy, did you?
00:56:14
But here is what she does see. The Seer says that, you know,
00:56:20
she says the big one and Moran was like there.
00:56:23
But what did she say? The big brooding one and Moran
00:56:28
was like, they're both big. I'm like no.
00:56:30
Right. Like Rand has some size on him
00:56:33
for it's not big like parent. God, would a parent is the one
00:56:37
I'm a look at and I'm a run the other way because I'm not about
00:56:40
to get into a fight with him. Parent looks like and it's the
00:56:43
funniest thing because he has the most gentle Persona out of
00:56:49
all of them that we've seen, but yeah, I've seen what pairing can
00:56:53
do with an axe, not just by accident, but on purpose to
00:56:57
those chocolates parent is the one that I'm going to look at.
00:57:01
And if I have to choose whether the fight him or not mature, my
00:57:04
happy ass around, and I'm going in the other direction because
00:57:07
he looks like he was here, something apart Yeah, that's
00:57:10
that's parent. Yeah, so she desirous, is that
00:57:15
she sees him with golden eyes and with blood dripping from his
00:57:20
mouth? I was like, oh, that's not
00:57:22
ominous at all. She sees R and holding a baby
00:57:29
And when the rain is like, whose baby is he holding?
00:57:32
And thus, it was like, how am I supposed to know that you wanted
00:57:35
me to see what I see when I see them and that's what I see see
00:57:39
now, I don't know whose baby that is.
00:57:42
He's holding a baby. Yeah, I don't know what I don't
00:57:46
know what that is was about, especially not well.
00:57:53
Okay, we'll get to that later. But and then when she when she
00:57:56
talks about egwene and nine Eve what did she say?
00:58:01
She said she sees a wall of white.
00:58:05
And then a ring of gold. And I'm just going to assume
00:58:11
because when they showed us, kind of like what she said,
00:58:16
White Flame, a wife and a wife. Yeah, entering your goal.
00:58:21
But like, when she was telling Moran, what she saw in pairing
00:58:24
and ran, we were actually seeing her vision the way that she was
00:58:30
seeing it. So we saw like, parents face
00:58:33
kind of come out almost like it was an astral projection with
00:58:38
the gold eyes, and with the blood Blood and then you see
00:58:40
like an astral projection of grand standing up and holding a
00:58:44
baby while, Karen and ran are sitting at the table.
00:58:47
But I noticed that when she told Moran, what she saw, 49, Eve and
00:58:53
egwene they didn't show us what she saw.
00:58:57
So it's kind of like even though she said, she saw a white flame
00:59:01
and a gold ring. I don't know what the Golden
00:59:03
Ring stands for, but she did. Do I Yeah.
00:59:08
And you know what the White Flame is.
00:59:10
The White Flame is the the one power, right?
00:59:13
The flame of tar valon, And the gold ring is the acid I ring.
00:59:21
Oh I didn't, you know what? I need to think about like that
00:59:25
kind of ring. I was literally thinking of a
00:59:27
circle like a ring of I was thinking like a ring of fire or
00:59:30
something. You know something of that time.
00:59:32
I was thinking a simplistic ring.
00:59:34
Okay. That's why they didn't show it
00:59:37
because, well, one special effects cost money into saying
00:59:42
it is, is equivalent of showing it for them.
00:59:46
Well, I kind of took that in a different way because it's like,
00:59:49
if we If you think about it, like they've talked about nine
00:59:54
Eve, being an icy died because of her strength of power that
01:00:00
we've seen. But I feel like the fact that
01:00:04
they didn't show us who was, who was what when she was talking
01:00:08
about it, she could have been talking about both of them or it
01:00:12
could have been flipped. Like, you know, later on in the
01:00:15
episode when Randon egwene are talking, he tells her to go to
01:00:20
the Tower to try to be, you know, to try to be an acid.
01:00:23
I this is what she's wanted all along and I was like when did
01:00:28
she say she wanted to be? I said I like I don't think that
01:00:30
was ever like, I know more rain was kind of telling her.
01:00:34
Hey, you could be this, but we've heard it.
01:00:38
So, I don't know. I think I kind of feel like
01:00:43
maybe she had sort of been leaning towards that.
01:00:48
For some reason, I feel like she knew that was her path.
01:00:54
Nine Eve is the one that's kind of fighting it and I need you
01:00:57
doesn't want any part of it but I think the fact that they like
01:01:01
they've been so specific about showing us the strength of nine.
01:01:07
He's power while egwene over here, like she's struggling to
01:01:15
conjure like she she struggled to challenge to channel when
01:01:20
valda was telling her to channel and just a little bitty things
01:01:23
that we see. It's kind of like accidental
01:01:25
burst but they're small compared to nine.
01:01:28
He's will see it. Once he hasn't been training so
01:01:32
she doesn't really know how to do it.
01:01:37
Neither has naive. Yes, he has.
01:01:41
And I need has will not leave his?
01:01:44
There's a reason why she was a wisdom.
01:01:46
So young. She has these incredible skills
01:01:49
that healing people and figuring out what's wrong with him.
01:01:53
She's been doing it all her life on.
01:01:56
Such a small meticulous specific scale, okay?
01:02:02
Like feeling people fixing people's bones, you know, He's
01:02:06
been doing all this stuff, her life, and they may not have
01:02:10
known. That's that's what she was
01:02:12
doing. She mean to have consciously.
01:02:13
Knowing that's what she was doing, okay?
01:02:15
And even when she was talking about being able to feel the
01:02:18
weather and since the weather that's her using the, the one
01:02:22
power when she was in that first episode talking to Ian Wayne.
01:02:25
So Steve mean that know that she's, that's what she was
01:02:31
actually do. I'm sure when she got older, she
01:02:32
knew because she was hot within the book, she was hiding the,
01:02:36
that's what she was. Okay.
01:02:38
But yeah, she knows she's pretty fluent in using the 1 power.
01:02:44
Is it that she hasn't had any formal training but she has used
01:02:49
the enough to know what she's doing.
01:02:50
Okay big Wayne does not eat Wayne has those emotional burst,
01:02:55
which is what the Wilders usually do when they don't have
01:02:58
any training and that's what she was going to do.
01:03:00
That's when I knew he was going to do with the egwene, was going
01:03:03
to show her how to focus her powers.
01:03:06
Okay. Okay, that makes I think Wayne
01:03:12
Wayne kind of new on the surface that this is where her path was
01:03:16
going to be, okay. That's why she didn't have a
01:03:19
real big problem with going with Marine Okay.
01:03:25
That makes sense. And even in the book 9 even went
01:03:29
with him because she didn't trust Marine.
01:03:33
Yeah, I mean, he's always like that that much is evident even
01:03:37
in the show, like she does not trust meringue, but yeah.
01:03:42
So anyway, When so that's what that took.
01:03:46
The way, this route took the White Flame and ring the White
01:03:49
Flame because in the book means Visions men, her Visions are not
01:03:55
real specific but they can be interpreted, okay?
01:04:00
And so, the one thing is she always talks about her Visions,
01:04:03
always come true. They have never not been true,
01:04:08
even if there's an option, so you get both choices to see both
01:04:12
of them. If a person has a choice, okay?
01:04:15
So seeing a white flame and ring of gold, pretty much the White
01:04:20
Tower the flame of tar valon and I said Irene.
01:04:23
Okay, pretty much okay. So after they leave the bar you
01:04:29
know they're the the four are in a room together and Moraine and
01:04:34
man come in. And that's when I need basically
01:04:37
challenges her, she was like, look, just because you told us,
01:04:41
this is what we need to do. We may not all agree to do this
01:04:45
and we want to know what what that lady told you.
01:04:49
And you know it's funny because Moraine gives one of her
01:04:54
answers. That's an answer but not an
01:04:57
answer. And I'm you called her a liar.
01:04:59
She's like you forget girl, I cannot lie and then at this
01:05:03
point she's like, okay, so basically I wanted her to tell
01:05:09
me if one of you was the dragon because if we go to the eye of
01:05:15
the world, whoever is not, the dragon will not return.
01:05:18
They will die there. And all of them sit here, like,
01:05:22
you knew this, and you didn't tell us, it's like, oh, Matt had
01:05:27
the right. an idea not coming through that for, but It's the
01:05:33
conversation that happens after this.
01:05:36
That is I don't want to say funny because it's not funny,
01:05:40
but this is, like I said, this is where you start to see the
01:05:43
splintering of the group because, of course, Rand is
01:05:46
pissed off because land is like Everything that she's told us,
01:05:52
you know, she had with it, he said, she hasn't let, she hasn't
01:05:55
led us incorrectly, basically saying something, the stuff that
01:05:59
she's been telling us. Yes, been true.
01:06:00
But is, do we have to believe it?
01:06:03
Like, how do we know this is? This is correct.
01:06:06
It may not be us and you start to have these conversations.
01:06:10
And egwene is like, look, we need to go do this no matter
01:06:15
what the cost, because we came on Miss This Journey to save our
01:06:23
family to save our friends, you know, so no one would know, one
01:06:26
else would die. So I think we need to see it
01:06:29
through to the end, no matter what the result is, meaning LK
01:06:32
if that means we die? As long as our people are safe,
01:06:36
that's all that matters. Karen is kind of quiet and they
01:06:41
start getting into this, you know, this back-and-forth ran
01:06:45
starts blaming egwene because he mentioned something about Matt.
01:06:49
Oh, that's what it is. Aaron is like, well what if Matt
01:06:52
is the dragon, like she could be wrong, we could all go to the
01:06:56
eye of the world and still come back, Matt might be the dragon.
01:06:58
He's not even here. And so she I don't know, egwene
01:07:03
makes this kind of scoffing reaction and ran gets upset.
01:07:09
If he was like you never really liked Matt you never you never
01:07:13
really trusted him. You never really gave me a
01:07:14
chance and blah blah blah. They start getting into it and
01:07:18
preparing of course he gets upset.
01:07:19
Leave her alone. He gets up and stands up at him
01:07:23
and ran look like they're about to go at it.
01:07:26
And I need was like, Will you guys stop it?
01:07:30
I'm so sick of y'all fighting over her.
01:07:32
Like, she's a like, she something you can own and the
01:07:36
whole room got fucking quiet because it, when is looking at
01:07:40
her like, huh? And Rand is looking like, he's
01:07:45
starting to put three and five together.
01:07:50
Aaron is sitting there with his head down, like, no, she didn't
01:07:54
say that. I got a wife.
01:08:06
See it now. It'll always seen it blah blah,
01:08:08
blah. I'm like dude.
01:08:10
Apparently you nor egg Wayne's saw it because she looks
01:08:14
clueless, like she is looking like why would she say that?
01:08:19
And then when you don't see Perry at it, starting to click
01:08:22
in her head to like, oh my God, he likes me or he loves me or
01:08:26
whatever the case is, Rand is like, I should have seen this
01:08:30
blah, blah, blah and seeing that I should have seen this.
01:08:34
Pairing very, very succinctly steps and ramps face that he was
01:08:41
like the only woman I've ever loved this model wife.
01:08:45
And Randy's kind of looks. And I think Rand knew that that
01:08:49
was not the fight he wanted. He just kind of stepped back.
01:08:53
The important thing is right, before that Rands like, oh, it
01:08:56
makes sense the day. You proposed to Layla?
01:09:00
Yes. Was this the same?
01:09:02
David maybe when we got together, huh?
01:09:07
I was like, that's a happy coincidence.
01:09:09
My friend. Now in the books, this would not
01:09:17
have happened. This is not even a thing.
01:09:18
Yeah, yeah. I think we, I think we talked
01:09:21
about that before because like you said in the book sparing
01:09:24
doesn't really have. I won't say.
01:09:27
He doesn't have a voice but hit you said most of his everything
01:09:31
is internal. Yeah.
01:09:33
So Yeah, and I it's been a while since I read the books but I
01:09:39
don't ever remember him getting in reims face like this, except
01:09:43
to keep ran from doing something stupid.
01:09:46
Okay. Yeah, well, I mean, ran was
01:09:48
looking like he was about to try and do something stupid like,
01:09:51
well, okay, I wouldn't consider like swinging on parent is
01:09:55
stupid, but but stupid, like plunging in entire country into
01:09:59
war. Oh, that kind of stupid, you
01:10:02
know, going off and doing something by yourself.
01:10:04
You don't have Business to something stupid.
01:10:07
That's that's usually when you hear Matt, we get into Rams
01:10:10
business, but for the most part, they didn't challenge each other
01:10:14
really like this. Okay.
01:10:16
Okay. Because number one, this this is
01:10:19
not a thing. Yeah, because I was going to
01:10:21
say, you know, something about one of your best friends being
01:10:24
in love with your girl. That that would be something to
01:10:28
kind of, you know, spark some Discord.
01:10:32
Some yeah, well talked about the writing.
01:10:34
I know they Wrote this little subplot in, I don't really
01:10:38
understand it other than to appeal to a certain demographic
01:10:43
but otherwise it it it can't come to can't lead to anything.
01:10:49
Good - right right. You know all the work that they
01:10:53
have to do going forward they have to have this absolute trust
01:10:58
in each other and this does not Foster that it doesn't like I
01:11:03
said it's almost like like They're trying to split to reach
01:11:06
up the Splinter the group. You know, you have 9 Eve who
01:11:10
just unconsciously revealed this huge secret that parent was
01:11:17
carrying. You've got ran feeling betrayed
01:11:20
by pairing, maybe a little bit by egwene because he's thinking
01:11:24
about what the Black Wind told him as far as.
01:11:28
So if Wayne is never going to love you as much as you love
01:11:30
her, you know, and then you've got egwene who is Dealing with
01:11:35
all of this Revelation like Matt just I mean ran just accused.
01:11:40
You of not caring about mad, you just found out that pairing may
01:11:44
or may not be in love with you and I need just it is the one
01:11:48
who just basically brought all that on and she's probably like,
01:11:53
what the fuck damn if you're listening to this and if it
01:11:57
wasn't for it, my niece said, if it weren't for that, I would
01:12:01
have said ran was doing this on purpose.
01:12:04
Like he was purposely trying to piss everybody.
01:12:07
Yeah, I would have thought that too because because I feel like,
01:12:11
even at that point, he had already had his suspicions that
01:12:15
he was the dragon. But Anyway, so, yeah, they have
01:12:20
this, they have this little argument, they all kind of go
01:12:23
their separate ways or rather R and he storms out of the room
01:12:28
and egwene goes after him. After nine Eve, tries to
01:12:32
apologize. But I know he went was, like, I
01:12:34
don't even want to hear this from you right now.
01:12:36
Like, you just blew everything up and for what, you know, like
01:12:40
you said what even if you had an idea of this.
01:12:44
And I, I knew that my name had a An inkling of it when they were
01:12:50
in the caves and, you know, egwene went to go sit next to
01:12:55
ran and she kind of held his hand and he looked at her hand,
01:12:58
he told her you know, he was like come and she laid down and
01:13:01
they went to sleep and you can see pairing look and kind of
01:13:04
turn over on his back and I need nine Eve gave him this look
01:13:08
like. Oh I know what that is.
01:13:10
Even if you know this your mouth shut while why hey, why don't
01:13:16
you oh, there's also the possibility that The dark one is
01:13:25
influencing them. I thought about that too.
01:13:27
Like the scepter in The Avengers, you know, was
01:13:33
influencing their emotions because we know that he's is
01:13:37
already been in their head, he's been in their dreams.
01:13:41
So it's possible that the closer they are to the blight, the more
01:13:45
powerful dark. Yeah.
01:13:48
Okay, that he can kind of push them.
01:13:52
You know, to kind of turn on each other, right?
01:13:54
So that could be another part of it too.
01:13:56
And that's why Gwen was able to keep him out and then he wasn't
01:14:00
able to keep that in. Yeah, yeah, it's because even
01:14:03
with men when she looked at them, what was it that she told
01:14:08
Moraine when she was talking about the vision, she said, if
01:14:11
it's Annie, she said, if it means anything, the Visions are
01:14:15
clear. Usually, the more important the
01:14:19
person is to the pattern. And I guess that, they Has to do
01:14:22
with the will. The more important they are to
01:14:24
the pattern, the clearer, the Visions are and I felt like that
01:14:29
was also, I don't know her having the Visions being
01:14:34
clearer. Does that means that there's a
01:14:37
more of a likelihood that that vision is going to come true?
01:14:40
Like you said her Visions are never wrong.
01:14:44
So instead of more, it's not more of a likelihood that true,
01:14:47
it's more more likely that it's accurate.
01:14:51
Okay. Okay.
01:14:53
Yeah, accurate because it's because what she sees happens in
01:14:58
the future. No, okay.
01:15:01
Okay, so let's see this, let's go ahead and get the land stuff
01:15:11
out the way it because after this whole conversation he goes
01:15:16
to have a conversation with Moraine and just she's basically
01:15:21
you know he's trying to comfort her she's upset and then she's
01:15:25
getting nostalgic and she was like I'm just remembering The
01:15:30
first time we met here, and I feel like I've taken away your
01:15:34
life, like she was, like, there's more to life than me and
01:15:38
this Mission and he's assuring her.
01:15:41
He was like, you haven't taken anything from me.
01:15:44
He was like, when we met, I had no, I had no life or and I had
01:15:49
no reason to die. You've given me both, you know,
01:15:53
or he had nothing to live for. That's what it was and nothing
01:15:56
to live for. I had nothing to die for you,
01:15:58
giving me both. And I was like y'all having a
01:16:01
different conversation than the conversation.
01:16:04
Y'all are having because when she talks about them leaving in
01:16:09
the morning, she was like, don't you have some good buys you need
01:16:11
to say in the city and Lan is like yep.
01:16:15
And there's just this look between them.
01:16:19
And then he turns to leave and she says, you know, I really
01:16:22
like her, the wisdom, I was like oh that's what that that
01:16:25
conversation was. That was that you need to go
01:16:27
handle this or you need to go. You need to go have a life
01:16:32
before we possibly go to a heart.
01:16:35
That was the conversation. I felt like they were having and
01:16:41
so we see land going into the town and I need is following
01:16:47
him. It's like stop being a stalker.
01:16:53
Do that anyway he goes to he goes to a home that has some
01:17:00
people that he appears to be very close to and he knows that
01:17:05
not need is following him so he appeared them.
01:17:08
Okay. So He was sitting there at the
01:17:11
table eating, right? And then we took another species
01:17:15
her shadow in the window. And when she realizes that he
01:17:19
might be able to see her. She turns to go away and he
01:17:24
standing right there was like dude this dude just disapparate
01:17:28
like what their I had this conversation with the person I
01:17:33
live with him. I'm related by marriage.
01:17:35
Huh? Because he asked the same
01:17:37
question. I said, I think what happened
01:17:39
was When he got up, he smiled. He got up from the table.
01:17:44
We didn't see him do it like, he got up and walked away.
01:17:47
And that's when she was like, okay, she decided to leave,
01:17:50
okay, because she saw him get up.
01:17:52
She saw him get up and walk, you know?
01:17:54
Walk the he came in behind her like was there a know about?
01:18:03
Yeah, yeah. The mess out of me and I
01:18:05
expected him to be there. I was like like he got some
01:18:08
magical powers going on. But anyway, Way.
01:18:10
So he brings her into this to this family and the guy who is
01:18:15
there. I almost thought that that was
01:18:17
his father, or some type of Father Figure to him because of
01:18:21
the way that he was acting, you know, he's being very obvious
01:18:24
when he went when land comes into the door, he was like
01:18:27
everybody. This is 99 Eve everybody.
01:18:30
He's getting out like oh yeah, come on in.
01:18:32
Come on in have a seat like being so obvious like that, that
01:18:36
awkward embarrassing. Oh, my son is Not a pretty girl
01:18:40
home that's just fawn over her. I was like, man is probably
01:18:44
sitting there like this was not what I came over here for today.
01:18:51
But anyway, so after the dinner, they're walking back to in the
01:18:56
hall and they stopped in front of his room and they kind of
01:18:59
have just little bit of conversation.
01:19:01
She was like, you know, thank you for including me.
01:19:03
He was like, well you didn't give me a choice so there's like
01:19:05
a little bit of a flirtation there and then they stand there
01:19:09
and look at each other very long Angley and very awkwardly like
01:19:14
to the point where I was like, I can't watch this thing like
01:19:17
y'all do something so I can so I can pay Into the screen.
01:19:20
It's that whole secondhand embarrassment like y'all are
01:19:24
standing that obviously wanted to kiss.
01:19:26
Yes, obviously wanted to kiss each other and again, you can
01:19:33
feel the pull between these two characters and then he looks at
01:19:39
her, he's like good night and he goes into his room.
01:19:42
It's like what the fuck is wrong with him.
01:19:44
But I forget this is a, this is a show and a world where women
01:19:49
are the I'm in a creature so he's probably like I'm going to
01:19:52
let her make the first move. I don't want to misinterpret
01:19:55
anything. I don't want to complicate
01:19:58
anything yada yada yada, he goes.
01:20:01
Okay. Okay, I have it.
01:20:02
You see there. What is your issue?
01:20:05
He goes into the room, he closes the door.
01:20:08
He's taking his clothes off and she just walks here.
01:20:12
I mean, hey, she said she was going to shoot a.
01:20:14
She's like the way he was undressing me with your eyes.
01:20:17
I'm going to shoot my shot. You do not.
01:20:19
Like anything, and this has their say, you want me to leave.
01:20:24
What the fuck you gonna say? He ain't gonna say no.
01:20:27
But here's the thing, I think, I think for her, Maybe her doing
01:20:35
it that way. Just kind of walking into his
01:20:38
room and even even though she walked in this room, she still
01:20:42
walk slowly towards him. I think one she was trying to
01:20:46
get up her own courage to do what she was doing, because I'm
01:20:49
pretty sure that's probably a situation.
01:20:51
She's never been in before. You know what I'm saying to?
01:20:56
She was giving herself time to read the room, she was trying to
01:21:00
make sure like, okay, is he really like into me or Was he
01:21:04
being polite? Like I think she was probably
01:21:06
feeling that out. Like, okay.
01:21:08
If he's not into me, he has some time while I'm doing this slow
01:21:12
ass walk to say. Um, I don't think you should be
01:21:16
here. Um, I don't think this is
01:21:18
appropriate, I'm Just Not That Into You, she's giving him some
01:21:22
time to react. So so for argument's sake, if
01:21:26
the roles were reversed We have the same energy like if he was a
01:21:32
dude, she's undressing and he walks into the room.
01:21:35
So, okay, I'm going on is for me, I think it depends on the
01:21:39
characters in The Situation's. If this isn't, it fits a
01:21:43
situation where the female character is obviously not into
01:21:46
this guy, then. Yes, that would be wrong.
01:21:50
If it was the situation that we just saw, like I said, you feel
01:21:54
them being pulled towards each other but I think there's Still
01:21:59
in the space of, is this something we should or shouldn't
01:22:02
do? Because again, he's a water for
01:22:05
ice to die. There's a whole bunch of other
01:22:07
things that come with that the fact that they can feel each
01:22:11
other's emotions, and what they're going through land might
01:22:14
be like, I don't want to be screwing with her and Moran, can
01:22:17
feel like there's a reason why Moraine masked her bond with
01:22:20
land when she went to go see Swan.
01:22:23
Mmm, so he wouldn't feel it. Well, I agree with you on the
01:22:30
go, but I also think that even back to the first time that they
01:22:33
really reduce them. You could tell that this is one
01:22:36
of these tropes where they were fated to be together that they
01:22:39
were meant to be, you know, a couple, mmm.
01:22:42
So the fact that they did in this episode, to me seemed like
01:22:47
it was the right time, but I agree with the back and forth.
01:22:49
My thing is, is that is this going to be where we're together
01:22:53
and we're going to stick together or we're together.
01:22:55
There we go. To break apart and come back
01:22:57
together over and over again. So for me the scene made sense.
01:23:00
I didn't really have an issue with it.
01:23:02
Yeah. And like I said, Anthony if the
01:23:05
roles were reversed because of the energy that I got from the
01:23:09
scene right before I think it would have been one of those
01:23:13
things where if he would have walked into her room and done
01:23:17
the exact same thing, she probably would have looked at
01:23:20
him and at that point she probably would have, just let
01:23:22
her robe drop because I feel like I feel like they understood
01:23:28
each other in that moment. Like yes, I want you but I'm may
01:23:33
be afraid to make the first move and I just feel like if it's a
01:23:38
situation like that. Lan is very good at reading
01:23:42
people. That's one thing that we have
01:23:44
seen in the show and I don't think he would have done that if
01:23:49
he thought one, she would have been offended by it, if she
01:23:52
would have been uncomfortable by it or if she flat-out didn't
01:23:56
want him. I don't think he would have done
01:23:58
that and I think in the same vein for her I don't think she
01:24:03
would have done that. If he would have felt any of
01:24:05
those things, you know, it's just it's something about the
01:24:10
way. a, they write these characters and I mentioned that
01:24:13
before, when I talked about egwene and Rams relationship,
01:24:17
like the way that they do handle relationships in this, in this
01:24:22
show, the the, the parties in these relationships are very
01:24:27
respectful of each other even when egwene and ran are having
01:24:31
arguments with each other, the most recent argument
01:24:35
notwithstanding because this was all emotion, but even when they,
01:24:40
I woke up when she told him that she was planning to become a
01:24:43
wisdom and, you know, him knowing that, that means that
01:24:46
they would not get married, they would not have children.
01:24:50
He didn't pull that whole with. This is not just your life.
01:24:54
This is my life. You're ruining my life.
01:24:56
This that he didn't pull that whole thing.
01:24:58
They had a very mature discussion about it and I feel
01:25:01
like that translates also with land and nine Eve.
01:25:06
Like I said, the attraction is there there?
01:25:10
Attraction has been there since day one.
01:25:12
Even when she held a knife to his net you could feel oh, this
01:25:16
is going to be something. And I think they feel that too
01:25:20
is characters. And this just like they didn't
01:25:22
know who was gonna make the first move Landing, who he is.
01:25:28
He probably was like I'm not going to make this move because
01:25:31
maybe you know like we like we hear him say later on her being
01:25:36
a wisdom is similar to him. Being awarded like She can't
01:25:40
marry she can't have children, so she might have been hesitant
01:25:46
to approach him. Knowing.
01:25:48
Okay. I have nothing more to offer
01:25:49
you. So maybe he was like, okay, if
01:25:54
I'm just going to respect her, she's a wisdom.
01:25:57
This is what she dedicated her life to this is her calling.
01:26:01
She can't have these kinds of entanglement, or whatever.
01:26:05
I'm just going to, you know, I'm just gonna like her, love her
01:26:11
from afar. And then she was like, oh okay,
01:26:14
we'll fix that. I mean, I like I said, if it had
01:26:18
been a different character, I might have been like, girl.
01:26:21
That's that's not the move, that's not the move, but with
01:26:23
him, I totally feel like it was dipped.
01:26:25
It was totally the move, totally remove.
01:26:29
And if he had done it with, with this character and her, I would
01:26:34
have been mad at him doing it either.
01:26:35
I wouldn't have felt, I wouldn't have felt that it was intrusive
01:26:38
or inappropriate. Yeah, so yeah.
01:26:44
So yeah. But um yeah, so she walks into
01:26:47
his room and she like walks up to her.
01:26:50
She was like do you want me to leave?
01:26:51
He walks up to her. They start kissing.
01:26:54
I was like really Let's just show that actually caught in a
01:27:03
lie. Like that's how you do it.
01:27:06
That's how you do a kiss. You don't kiss well anyway and
01:27:11
then on the other hand you have R and in the courtyard and he's
01:27:15
like practicing archery. He can't hit the bullseye, he's
01:27:19
upset and egwene comes out. She was like, you know, I waited
01:27:22
in my room, for an hour for you to come and apologize to me and
01:27:26
she's mad and he looks at her, he says well, Well, you know, I
01:27:30
know from experience that when you really want to speak to me,
01:27:33
you'll come and find me again. I feel like there's that real
01:27:37
that respect within the relationship.
01:27:41
Like, he knows how she's going to react and he knows that.
01:27:44
Okay, if I go to her before, she's ready to talk, she's even
01:27:48
gonna give me the silent treatment or will be arguing.
01:27:51
That is not what I want when she's ready.
01:27:53
She will come and talk to me. Especially in young adult TV
01:28:01
shows movies that we see dealing with relationships each other,
01:28:05
with that kind of respect or give each other that kind of
01:28:08
space respectfully, you know. And that's one thing I like
01:28:12
about the show. Because when she came out, she
01:28:15
was still upset when he responded to her, he responded
01:28:19
to her with a smile and that kind of brought down her walls
01:28:24
and they were able to have a conversation, you know?
01:28:28
And and he even right after that, I'm sorry.
01:28:33
I know there's nothing between you and parent.
01:28:35
Oh my God, they're showing our young guy apologizing.
01:28:39
What? But just the way that they have
01:28:42
this whole conversation you know and she was telling me she was
01:28:46
like I'm not even mad about that.
01:28:48
I'm mad about the fact that you think that I wouldn't that I
01:28:51
would you know not fight format that I Wouldn't Die for him.
01:28:57
You know. And then that's what he starts
01:29:00
talking. He was like look if it is one of
01:29:03
us and she was like even if it is we'll deal with that.
01:29:07
We could all you know she could be wrong.
01:29:09
We can all live That sort of thing and then when he says I
01:29:14
don't want to lose you as she sees him.
01:29:16
Crying, she's like hold up. Okay.
01:29:18
Look I'm not going anywhere. We're gonna figure this out.
01:29:21
We're all going to live and then she tells him and I think this
01:29:25
is the thing that he probably needed to hear.
01:29:28
Even if it was the thing that he did not want to hear.
01:29:31
Because when she says it, I feel like that was the moment he made
01:29:35
his decision, but she says, even if it is you I will stand by
01:29:42
you. No matter what I will have your
01:29:45
back. Nothing will change.
01:29:48
We will figure it out. And to me that is so opposite of
01:29:53
egwene will never love you the way you love her.
01:29:56
She literally is saying if you're the Dragon And you fix
01:30:01
the world or you break the world.
01:30:04
I'm going to be there regardless.
01:30:07
And I think ran was like, nope, I'm not about to do this to her
01:30:10
because if he is the Dragon, And what Moran says is true, then
01:30:16
she dies then Peter. And I think, at that moment,
01:30:21
when she said that, he closed his eyes right before he kissed
01:30:24
her, I said yeah he just made his decision.
01:30:28
He just made his decision. And of course you see you see
01:30:33
him get up. From bed because of course
01:30:36
they've gone to bed together. She's asleep.
01:30:38
He wakes up and he starts having these different flashes in his
01:30:41
mind. He's flashing back to one of the
01:30:43
chalak attacked and his father fought, and you see the hair and
01:30:48
symbol on the sword. And then, that's when you start
01:30:51
to hear this other stuff and he finds out about rather he goes
01:30:56
to the Seer to find out what she sees for real and that's when
01:31:00
she tells him that She had the vision and you know, that was
01:31:06
the vision that we were talking about where she saw the next.
01:31:11
The next dragon being born on the mountain was snow blah blah
01:31:16
blah. She starts telling him all these
01:31:17
details about his birthday. He never knew and that's what he
01:31:21
realizes that he's the dragon and he asked if he was like, do
01:31:25
I come back? And she just kind of gets up and
01:31:27
leaves the table? He was like, yeah, that's what I
01:31:29
thought and I was like I mean, we've been saying it, but I
01:31:34
think he's, I think he's sort of suspected all along and then we
01:31:39
also / /, Max? Yeah.
01:31:41
Yeah. Of him.
01:31:42
Using the power. He's be using wind power the
01:31:45
whole time. He's been, he's out there.
01:31:47
He's that Bullseye it, cuz he's channeling right in the
01:31:50
bullseye, right? Maybe get the flashes of him.
01:31:53
Using the 1 power, when the trial, it came in the cave and I
01:31:57
never noticed it the first time but when they showed his
01:32:00
flashback I went back and Actually right now, while I have
01:32:03
it planned in the background, when egwene threw up her arms
01:32:07
against the trolley, can you see the, you know, you see the
01:32:11
Wisps. I never noticed Rams, Arm coming
01:32:15
around her around and that was when we see, he actually used
01:32:19
his power to throw the chili cook-off and I was there.
01:32:22
She put hers up sort of like a defense.
01:32:24
He threw his taxi. Knock it off.
01:32:27
Yeah. And to protect her.
01:32:29
Yeah. so, I was just like, Oh ran.
01:32:34
And I wanted to save mention that he has.
01:32:36
He did the mash insensitive. His deepest fear was her leaving
01:32:39
him again but here he actually is like yeah you go to the White
01:32:45
Tower and now go there with you. Yeah and be awarded.
01:32:50
So it was like you really think. I'm gonna let somebody else do
01:32:52
your water right? And I think that's kind of cool
01:32:56
because it shows you that, you know, even though that was his
01:32:59
deepest fear of her leaving him, He would have gone with her, you
01:33:06
know. Yeah.
01:33:07
And I think she and she even said that she would not go
01:33:11
without him because she was like I made that mistake once I'm not
01:33:15
doing that again. It was like, oh, if you to the
01:33:19
White Tower, then what's going to the White Tower, you really
01:33:23
think I'm Gonna Let You Bond somebody else solutely.
01:33:26
Not absolutely, not absolutely not. but then, you know, the
01:33:32
next morning, Oh, okay. Can we go back to the
01:33:36
conversation at the land? And nine Eve had the little
01:33:43
pillow talk. Oh yes.
01:33:44
I'm so sorry. Yes, because that's when we find
01:33:48
out lands. True identity.
01:33:52
Yes, I'll and Mondragon. He is the lord of the seven
01:33:57
Towers lord of the Lakes, the true blade of manicure defender
01:34:01
of the wall of first fires. The bear Or of the sword of the
01:34:05
thousand lakes, May he sever the shadow?
01:34:09
He's also the dash cam, which also means battle Lord.
01:34:13
So he is the king of malc here. We go.
01:34:19
Yes, he is based on both Lancelot and King elessar, till
01:34:24
cantar who we also know as Aragon.
01:34:28
Okay? He because Lancelot Lancelot, I
01:34:35
think is Lancelot do lock, which is servant of the lake, which is
01:34:40
clearly, you know, the lord of the lakes for a lad Mondragon.
01:34:45
So, yeah, it's very, very close and also the king without a
01:34:49
country. You know, he's a long-lost.
01:34:51
Heir, was not really lost. They are people.
01:34:55
That was the thing. That was the reason why I was
01:34:57
asking was his identity. Enone because when he tells her
01:35:01
about it because she as she says, why does, why does he call
01:35:04
you die shin and he tells her about, you know, who he is the
01:35:10
name? Given to the heir to the throne?
01:35:13
Yeah, and she's looking at him. Like wait, I just slept with a
01:35:16
prince. What you like?
01:35:18
Hold on. No, he's actually it mean well,
01:35:22
he's a king now. Yes.
01:35:23
But she said, yeah, it's still there.
01:35:25
That's why. That's why Lord a lag Omar was
01:35:30
Beating him that way because he is a king.
01:35:32
Yeah, he has you know like you said the guy that the house he
01:35:37
went to, he was one of the guards that that stars monkey
01:35:42
mouth. Yeah.
01:35:43
Smuggle him out of the castle with when the tropics and the
01:35:47
blight over ruin my kid. There are mouths, you know,
01:35:52
family. Yeah.
01:35:54
They keeping the fire World family.
01:35:56
Yeah. So that's why I was like is his
01:35:58
is his Identity really known because you think about, like,
01:36:04
going back to Game of Thrones since you just read that
01:36:07
long-ass title, that's what it put me in the mind of, but like
01:36:10
when the targaryens were being killed off, remember the saracen
01:36:14
Daenerys were kind of smuggled away as well, and they were kept
01:36:18
hidden. So I just wondered if that was
01:36:20
the same thing for land. Like did they hide him?
01:36:24
Was his identity known or so? Okay, everybody, even if he was,
01:36:28
there are there are male Look here.
01:36:30
As you see the art malky, are people still around?
01:36:33
It's just that they don't have a country.
01:36:35
Okay. And he is the only one of the
01:36:38
royal family that's left. Yeah, if you remember in
01:36:43
Shannara, in this scenario, stories and Sahara.
01:36:46
That was the same thing drill. She was a journalist and I think
01:36:50
he was the, he was like a cousin to the family.
01:36:53
He was like the last one left. Okay.
01:36:55
Yeah. That story too.
01:36:57
So my question is, With him, you know, being King with no country
01:37:04
whatever, whatever if say the blight is destroyed and they are
01:37:11
able to rebuild now. Here would he still be able to
01:37:14
be the King as a water to an? I said I like how would that
01:37:20
work? I'm going to say yes.
01:37:23
Okay. Okay, even if it okay, I was
01:37:27
just curious about it because there's one of the things that
01:37:30
we don't get into later in the series is the game of houses
01:37:35
which is like the Game of Thrones book and a, my house has
01:37:37
this weird. He sort of got it from is eat.
01:37:41
Your title is very important. Okay?
01:37:44
So a tile is not something that you would hide.
01:37:47
Everyone's style is important. It was political Alliance is
01:37:51
important, even though he's a King Without a country, he's
01:37:55
very important. I was gonna say cuz it seems
01:37:57
like even. Okay, so, in, in my mind, the
01:38:02
way I was thinking like, oh, what they have hit him that sort
01:38:05
of thing. I feel like, even if there was
01:38:08
somebody actively trying to kill him, I feel like the people of
01:38:14
this country would protect him just like they would their own
01:38:17
ruler. First, and foremost, you can try
01:38:20
to kill If you want to, and I'm just saying, I got you, I got
01:38:25
now. He's been, you know, he's people
01:38:28
have tried to manipulate him, there was a woman who who tried
01:38:32
to manipulate him into marrying, her daughter.
01:38:36
She was going to do a compulsion on him and make him do so.
01:38:42
Yeah, there are nefarious, people I did with this in the
01:38:45
various for other reasons not to kill him but to bring him into
01:38:48
their family because Of who he is, okay.
01:38:55
But yeah, he's most certainly Aragon.
01:38:58
He's most certainly Lancelot, even they haven't talked about
01:39:02
it, but even his sword was made with the one power as well.
01:39:07
So he has a power sword. Yeah, it's Yeah.
01:39:12
Okay. But yeah, I love the way that
01:39:14
they had this conversation because when she needs help and
01:39:18
she was like, okay, so I know why you or, you know, so devoted
01:39:23
or so loyal to Moraine. She was like you're a King
01:39:26
Without a country aboard, without a family and now you
01:39:30
belong to her. He was looking at her like I'm
01:39:35
my own person like she doesn't own me.
01:39:39
He was like, I'm free and I think that was really him.
01:39:42
Trying to say. Yeah, I may be loyal to her, but
01:39:46
that is not. I mean, the way he was looking
01:39:48
at her, he was like, yeah, but my heart belongs to you, he was
01:39:51
singing Jodeci to her. He was like yeah.
01:39:54
Uh, just so you just so you understand how this works?
01:39:59
Yeah. Maybe bonded to her but this is
01:40:01
something totally different and You ain't going nowhere.
01:40:04
Get back in the bed, but yeah, that was funny.
01:40:09
That was well, that was very long overdue.
01:40:12
Yeah. I also want to say we were
01:40:14
talking about the fantasy tropes.
01:40:17
This he is one of the truths that Jordan went the opposite on
01:40:22
because a lot of times it is the loss are is being actively
01:40:26
hunted and be had to hide them. He's the complete opposite.
01:40:29
Yeah, you know everybody knew who you was.
01:40:32
Everyone treated him as such. And knowing this would have been
01:40:35
a trained him and they did all the things that he was supposed
01:40:38
to do as a king. He just didn't have a country,
01:40:41
okay? Because people didn't have a
01:40:42
country. So, you know, when you re like
01:40:45
the big area drag, Aaron Yan was being hidden.
01:40:48
Yeah, Lord of the Rings were Aragorn.
01:40:51
Aragon was being hidden, you know, Harry Potter was being
01:40:54
hidden. So this one this is the one
01:40:57
character weird. No, he was not hitting everybody
01:41:00
in the room. He was right?
01:41:01
So okay, then Was one thing. Another thing that I liked about
01:41:06
this story is that it doesn't always follow the tropes,
01:41:11
exactly the way that you would think they would write, okay.
01:41:17
So, yeah, anyway, the next morning it Wayne goes to 90s
01:41:21
room, of course not, Nev hasn't been there.
01:41:23
Hasn't slept there. She comes in and as she's
01:41:27
apologizing to egwene for opening her mouth.
01:41:29
Here comes parent. So all three of them are
01:41:33
standing there, awkwardly and then I Nev is asking them.
01:41:36
Okay, so what did you guys decide?
01:41:37
And Big weigh-in is like I'm going to the eye of the world.
01:41:42
I'm gonna go, we're going to finish this out paring knives,
01:41:45
his Ascent so he's thinking the same thing to land comes to the
01:41:49
door and She realizes something is wrong.
01:41:54
He says Moran has masked our bond, she's left and they were
01:41:59
like by herself. And then that's when everybody
01:42:01
realizes ran. Because egwene is looking for.
01:42:05
And he's not there when she asked parent.
01:42:07
Parent was like, I thought he was with you, but no, we see.
01:42:11
He goes to Moraine and he tells her, it's me, I'm the dragon and
01:42:16
so they have left. And they are approaching the
01:42:20
blight. And like I said, when we, when
01:42:22
we see the blight, it looks like this hugely overgrow.
01:42:25
It's like they look like Roots, that's just over taking
01:42:31
everything. And I think the description that
01:42:37
you gave earlier Anthony that was very spot on as far as it
01:42:42
being like him and when they go in, I noticed that Moraine is
01:42:51
very careful with how she walks in, like, like you have these
01:42:55
big thick branches, and then you've got the smaller branches.
01:42:59
And I've noticed when you see or she's holding her hands in a
01:43:02
particular way, She's only touching the smaller branches
01:43:07
and she's being very careful how she walks and I was like, is
01:43:12
this one of those things where if you touch it wrong, it's
01:43:15
going to grab you. And, of course, I'm thinking the
01:43:17
The Last of Us in my head because that's what we're
01:43:20
discussing now. That's the other show, we are
01:43:23
discussing and I was like, okay, so is this one of those things
01:43:27
where if they step wrong, the branches are going to grab them
01:43:29
and and kill them. I mean, when Rand walks in there
01:43:33
is the skeleton. Of a man sitting in the, you
01:43:35
know, in between some of the branches.
01:43:37
So obviously this thing does kill people and not just take
01:43:43
over like the wildlife and the castles and all this other stuff
01:43:46
people who get caught up in there too.
01:43:48
I'm guessing died. So I was like, oh okay.
01:43:52
And what was it? Meringue said we have to travel
01:43:54
through the blight, to get to the eye of the really.
01:43:58
Why why? I mean I know why.
01:44:01
But yeah, just do it already. I said I'm gonna go to my
01:44:05
potential death. Do you have to make him struggle
01:44:08
to get there? Right?
01:44:12
I don't know if it's going to be interesting to see.
01:44:16
We're going to go with this. Because I mean and and like you
01:44:22
said, we saw uses of R and using that power like and I need to
01:44:27
think about the fact that when, and when he was with the barmaid
01:44:35
and she locked him in the room and he opened the door.
01:44:38
I had a feeling about it then, but I was with 10 men.
01:44:44
Couldn't knock that door down, right?
01:44:47
Exactly like three times. And I was like, okay, so either
01:44:51
he is channeling or there's something else about his
01:44:55
character that we don't know. Not if I had not known, he was
01:44:58
the dragon. Or if I had not thought he was a
01:44:59
dragon seeing the the Herculean strength.
01:45:03
His mom had fighting off men while she's in active labor.
01:45:09
I would have been like oh she got he got some of his strength
01:45:11
from her like she had to have had some kind of superhuman
01:45:14
strength that she passed on to To him, I would have thought
01:45:18
that and been okay with it. But, you know, once we go back
01:45:21
and we see the flashes I'm like, yeah, makes sense.
01:45:25
It makes sense. So, I don't know.
01:45:30
Now, we only have one episode left.
01:45:32
Random Moran have left, the rest of them are behind.
01:45:36
We didn't seem at all in this episode.
01:45:38
So I have a feeling we probably won't see him at all for the
01:45:42
rest of this season. And then, of course, you know,
01:45:45
we found out after the first season are that the actor who
01:45:49
plays Matt has actually been recast, so we're going to get a
01:45:52
whole different mat in the second season, but I don't know,
01:45:58
it's if we forgot that we forgot the, we forgot to mention that
01:46:03
Marine told, I'll go, Mars sister to send word to the white
01:46:09
tired of look for. Oh yeah, we did.
01:46:13
And she told her, who do I tell the red eyes boy killed.
01:46:19
But, I mean, again, she doesn't, she doesn't know for sure, if
01:46:22
Matt is isn't the dragon either like, ran can say, oh yeah, it's
01:46:26
me. True.
01:46:28
But it also makes sense that she would because if she sent the
01:46:32
information land was going to find out anyway.
01:46:37
But at least if it goes to Lee Andrian, there won't be any idea
01:46:41
that it came from her and same thing.
01:46:46
Like if it would be weird if she said to the Blue Sisters really
01:46:51
engine back, but if you see into the engine and the engine is
01:46:54
going to be like, okay, this must be serious.
01:46:57
Me to give this information. Yeah.
01:46:58
For you to send this directly to me, like she may not even know
01:47:02
business Marine. Yeah, no we want.
01:47:06
We don't want this boy Dad. If we think that he's the next
01:47:08
dragon or if he think you know or maybe not dead maybe they'll
01:47:12
just gentle him or whatever. But either way it goes like mad
01:47:16
is already been having some issues and I don't remember if
01:47:20
LeAndre knew what was wrong with Matt when she found out about
01:47:23
that. So I don't think she did.
01:47:27
She just knew the Vic that she had them so you know, and that
01:47:30
he was sick but he had an Affliction but I don't think she
01:47:34
knew exactly what it was. So this is pretty good episode.
01:47:39
I enjoyed it has had a few issues with it but I enjoyed it.
01:47:44
So what were the issues that you had?
01:47:46
Oh I've had since begin the whole parenting.
01:47:50
The whole love triangle between. Okay big Wayne and necessary.
01:47:57
and it doesn't serve any purpose and I don't know, I guess it
01:48:05
does in a sense if you think about the fact, like we
01:48:08
discussed this at the beginning, we're in the book sparing didn't
01:48:12
have a wife. But you said you felt like they
01:48:15
put the wife in here to kind of explain why he is the way he is
01:48:22
because like you said in the book has a lot of internal
01:48:24
dialogue. Well, they can't really do it.
01:48:26
Just internal dialogue on the show, you got it.
01:48:29
Yeah. You got to kind of show what the
01:48:31
character is going. I'm through.
01:48:33
So I guess that's a way to visualize that, but also, I feel
01:48:39
like the triangle is also a way to bring that forth because it
01:48:45
is one thing to have guilt about accidentally, killing your
01:48:49
pregnant wife. It adds a whole different layer
01:48:53
if you accidentally killed your pregnant wife and you were in
01:48:57
love with someone else in the first place.
01:48:59
Because then he'll go, then he'll go through that.
01:49:02
Oh, well, she was only married to me because it Gwen was with
01:49:07
Rand and I asked her, and maybe if I hadn't done this shoot, it
01:49:11
adds a whole different layer to it, you know, it gives it more
01:49:15
of a reason for him to be tortured.
01:49:19
It does. But however, I need to seems
01:49:22
like excessive, not thinking about the book, this the show in
01:49:27
general, it just, it doesn't feel, right?
01:49:30
It doesn't seem right, especially them all growing up
01:49:34
together and him a man's best friend, right?
01:49:37
It's like you didn't know what was going on between the two of
01:49:40
them, right? Yeah, y'all so if anything
01:49:43
actually has two thousand years ago yes like this is the men.
01:49:46
Something y'all already tough surrounding them.
01:49:48
Mud over, right and being squashed it then, right,
01:49:51
especially if we're, if ran was a child going to pick,
01:49:54
strawberries for it went. Okay.
01:49:58
That means it was obvious from a very young age that this was who
01:50:03
he was going to be with, right? So, I get what you're saying,
01:50:08
you said to put those feelings away, even his, you obviously,
01:50:13
never took the effort or made the effort to say anything to
01:50:17
her or anyone. One about it.
01:50:19
You you kept it to yourself, then you should have just
01:50:22
watched it because you watching your friend, bring her
01:50:25
strawberries. That should have been your clue.
01:50:28
Yeah, I mean, and we think is one of the two rivers, everyone
01:50:33
kind of knew who was going to get.
01:50:34
They I don't want see the arranged marriages, but they
01:50:36
kind of pushed people together and they were all pushing her
01:50:40
and ran together. So, yeah, dude, you should've
01:50:44
said something long time ago. Yeah.
01:50:48
If for nothing else than to get over it.
01:50:51
Yeah, you know, to at least voice it out there, it's out
01:50:54
there. You don't have to sit with it
01:50:56
and then maybe that point once you realize, okay, they both of
01:51:00
them know that you like her are in love with her and they are
01:51:04
still together that at least that put some closure in your
01:51:08
mind that. Okay this is this is not going
01:51:11
to happen. Yeah and I don't know there are
01:51:13
like 20 years old y'all kind of old now yeah you know.
01:51:17
But also the thing too, is I don't, even though I think he
01:51:23
has feelings for her, he's in love with her, whatever.
01:51:25
Whatever the case may be, I still don't think it's to the
01:51:29
point where he would want her and ran apart.
01:51:33
Like, he looks at them and he sees them obviously, well, maybe
01:51:36
not happy in this moment but they're obviously together
01:51:40
there, they obviously have each other's back.
01:51:43
They obviously love each other, a lot.
01:51:46
And I think he sees bit and I don't think he'd be grudges than
01:51:49
that, but it's just kind of one of those things where it's kind
01:51:51
of like, You're happy for them but at the same time, if things
01:51:56
could be different you want them to be different, right?
01:52:01
But yeah I guess I can I can see it is because it's just a little
01:52:06
bit of a issue. Yeah like I understand why it's
01:52:09
there. It's just I don't think we care
01:52:11
for it. Yeah because it does it is.
01:52:14
Messes up pairing a rains relationship.
01:52:18
You know. Yeah like where is going to be?
01:52:20
Where is the absolute? Trust going to come from.
01:52:24
Yeah, they don't have the same thing with random Mac in this
01:52:30
one. You know, in this show and I
01:52:33
don't know if that's how it was in the books, but I mean you
01:52:36
said time and time again how they've completely changed mats
01:52:41
character and he was not this way in the books, but there's a
01:52:45
lot of conflict with him around here.
01:52:47
Like, he has He's had some hostility towards ran, I don't
01:52:52
know, maybe now that we know that Rand is the dragon, or at
01:52:57
least we think Rand is the dragon because he still might
01:53:00
not be. He might just be a dude who can
01:53:02
Channel. I'm just, I'm just been a damn,
01:53:06
maybe pace of about benefit, but before we knew that maybe that's
01:53:14
what maybe Matt and the Darkness that was in him when he He had,
01:53:18
you know, the darkness from the knife, maybe that's what that
01:53:21
Darkness was sensing and maybe that was part of the reason why
01:53:24
Matt was so antagonistic towards him.
01:53:29
They could be true. But that could be because if
01:53:32
they, I mean, because if you look at the way things are, like
01:53:36
Rand will say his little things too mad when Matt is being an
01:53:39
asshole or whatever. But for the most part ran has
01:53:43
been the one who has had mats back this entire season.
01:53:48
I like even when Matt is fucking up.
01:53:51
Rand is they're trying to encourage him trying to be like,
01:53:54
oh, you know, like like when he thought that he killed the
01:53:57
little girl and her family ran was like, no, dude, you didn't
01:54:01
do that. I think Matthew, even in the end
01:54:04
when he was telling them telling that EV you get to try to Nomad
01:54:07
you. Like he's defending the man, he
01:54:09
ain't even there. So there's from ran to Matt deal
01:54:17
with be their absolute rest and I think format terrain because
01:54:20
Matt would know that ran was there with him every step of the
01:54:24
way if you don't you dare with parent and I think that's the
01:54:28
problem. Yeah.
01:54:32
I agree. Okay, we got one episode left.
01:54:38
yay, but the good thing is, We should be getting the second
01:54:45
season sometime later this year. Yeah, sorry I mean I'm gonna I'm
01:54:53
gonna watch you guys know I'm going to watch.
01:54:55
It's just that I was, I was so hyped.
01:54:58
I mean I went I have no, I didn't read the books, I
01:55:02
wouldn't I read the first book started a little bit as I
01:55:05
because I keep hearing it's, you know, it's on the level of Miss
01:55:08
born and and, you know, and Gardens of Eden, it's up there,
01:55:12
right? So, I read it.
01:55:14
I was like, okay I can see, you know, and then when I watch it
01:55:18
it's like, oh it's not that good and I was so disappointed.
01:55:22
I think that was my main thing. Yeah.
01:55:24
If you, if you're into the books, this this series is very
01:55:28
disappointing. Yeah, I will say that I'll give
01:55:32
you that. Yeah, I said I should wait this
01:55:34
review. I did.
01:55:35
Yes, don't start reading. Don't start again.
01:55:38
I'll just keep cooking. If you like Lori, if you like
01:55:42
Lori and you just start. To reading?
01:55:44
Yeah. It's gonna It's Gonna Hurt.
01:55:46
Yeah, it did it really did hurt. Yeah.
01:55:49
Okay. Like I said, I kept hearing
01:55:51
that. This was Brandon Sanderson all
01:55:53
over again, because he finished the book so and you know how big
01:55:56
he is. So I got excited.
01:56:00
Yeah, but I think Anthony you said before, you don't really
01:56:04
care too much for him, right? I don't.
01:56:06
Okay, that's asleep it that. Yeah, there's he's an
01:56:12
interesting person, but I will say, I saw the scope for the new
01:56:18
figurines for the book series that they're doing through hot
01:56:22
toys and toy fair and they look good.
01:56:25
Oh they look so good but Does it get different book series?
01:56:30
Yeah, okay. All right.
01:56:33
Well you guys have any final thoughts on episode 70 in the
01:56:41
movie database does list? His mother's character's name,
01:56:45
Tea Green, Man, tear. Okay.
01:56:48
It's you know, We'll learn more about her later.
01:56:52
Okay. See grain.
01:56:54
That was like, she is too awesome.
01:56:55
A character for us to not get anymore of so hopefully that
01:56:59
means we'll see more of her, her Matsuri.
01:57:04
But I will say this about her backstory.
01:57:07
You're probably going to be like she did, what?
01:57:11
It's one of those things. Wait, what?
01:57:15
Okay, alright, okay. Now here I do have This one
01:57:20
question rants, father did not know her before he came upon her
01:57:28
on that mountain. Did he know?
01:57:30
Okay, because I just thought it was so so interesting that all
01:57:35
the other people, all the other soldiers that were on his side.
01:57:38
We're trying so hard to kill her.
01:57:41
And then when he comes upon her and I don't know, maybe it was
01:57:45
the fact that she was in labor and he, you know, you see all
01:57:49
the bodies around She just disposed of while she's in
01:57:52
labor. I don't know if maybe it was
01:57:54
just some compassion for her about the baby because when he
01:57:58
took that helmet off he looked I don't know invested in a sense,
01:58:06
you know? But then he gives her his hand
01:58:08
so she can continue to push and then of course after she he cuts
01:58:13
the umbilical cord that's when she dies because she got stabbed
01:58:17
right before she actually gave birth but I was like Like did he
01:58:21
know her or was this just random?
01:58:24
And he just decided to keep the baby once, you know, she died.
01:58:27
Like what are you gonna do these girls random?
01:58:30
Okay, blade Masters tend to be very honorable people.
01:58:36
Okay. And yeah, maybe you see was
01:58:40
still standing and fighting you with a father and killed her,
01:58:43
okay, but she wasn't she wasn't fighting.
01:58:46
It's who's having a baby and she knew me.
01:58:50
Yeah, so he hope to have the baby.
01:58:52
And he knew, he probably saw the wound and she was dying.
01:58:55
Yeah, you know, yeah. And there's a backstory to him
01:59:00
and his wife having tried to have children and failed.
01:59:04
Okay. So, you know, to him, this was
01:59:08
like his chance of having a child if he could save this
01:59:12
child. Okay?
01:59:13
So was, was his wife, did she helped raise ran?
01:59:18
Because I don't think they ever made that clear, you know, when
01:59:20
they were lighting the lantern for Or her, they never made it
01:59:23
clear like when she died. So I didn't know if it was one
01:59:26
of those things where she died, you know, the store where she
01:59:29
died and birth. I couldn't remember if they ever
01:59:32
had any dialogue about him and she helped raise.
01:59:36
Okay, here to a point. Okay.
01:59:38
Okay. I can't remember if there was
01:59:40
some dialogue about that in the first episode, there might have
01:59:43
been, but I just don't remember so, okay.
01:59:46
Okay, all right. Well, yeah, and plus he moved to
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the Rivers, which was not where he was from.
01:59:54
Okay? Okay.
01:59:57
So, all right, well, I guess is we don't have Mike here to give
02:00:02
us a punny one-liner to exit out the show.
02:00:05
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