#thewheeloftime After the events the led them to flee Shadar Logoth, our group finds themselves separated and trying to find the best path forward. Rand and Matt seek shelter in a small town, where friend or foe are hard to tell apart. Egwene and Perrin are guided to safety by unlikely allies. As Moraine's condition worsens, Lan finds himself surprised by a ghost. Rand and Matt disagree on a path forward, but find themselves united when they are confronted by a threat. The Aes Sedai make a bold claim.
This episode was originally recorded on January 19, 2022.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with
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Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing episode 3 of The
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Wheel of Time series and this episode starts out pretty much
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picks up where we left off in episode 2 episode 2, we see the
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9 AV is alive and well. And so we get to see how she is
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alive and well, in the very first part of this episode and
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I, I will say, if I don't know, nothing else about nine days,
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character through the rest of the season, I know that she is a
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badass because she took on at rollicking, whoop its ass And he
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was Rambo like, she's, he literally came out of the water
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like Rambo like, yeah, it's like slowly coming up in like, you
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know, I say, I have inspector to go.
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Like, you know, like wanna shit but, yeah, she's of, yeah.
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I agree. She isn't, she's a total badass,
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like I'm not fucking with her and I think, I think, like,
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what's his name really wasn't trying to mess with her either.
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Like, when she, he she had the sword as though.
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She was kind of. Like, all right, I got to talk
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my way out of this. I don't think I can, that can
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mess with her unless I really catch her off guard.
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Let me so she was like, she's like on top of shit.
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I wasn't raised like fuck, dude. And then when she threw that
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braid back Like, who else wants? I was like, okay, so we have
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established that you are a badass, okay?
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Then that first been foreseen tells you everything you need to
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know about our needs character. Yeah, she is.
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She is fearless. She's clever.
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She will fight. I mean, I was impressed with her
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because when we see her being drugged, first of all, I was
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like, oh, okay. So they didn't kill her, you
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know, well obviously, we know this at the end of episode two,
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But really in the first episode, when she got hit, I thought she
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was dead, you know. So we see her being drugged, and
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then you have two chocolates who were there, the Charlie Coos
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dragging her, and then there's another one that's walking
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beside it. And that one is obviously hurt.
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So her chalak drops, her goes over to the side and start
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speaking to other trolley. And of course, there's no, I
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don't know if they actually Speak in a way that we would
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understand but there's no kind of, like, subtitles or anything.
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They're just talking. And obviously, it's like, you
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can you can imagine the conversation.
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One, dude is, like, yo, I'm real hurt and other dude is like, but
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can you go on? He's like, nah, I don't know if
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I can do it. Oh, okay, sure, no, no, see.
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It was really like one. Dude was like, yo, I'm really
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hurt noses. Like you are really hungry just
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like, hey, what in this cold? His friend and I was like you
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know and it's funny because I was re-watching this and I'm
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also editing one of mine in case he's walking dead World Beyond
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episodes from the late fall. You not have several episodes
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that I'm working on like trying to get out the backlog and we
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were talking about the Walkers and you know like the live
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people and how if you're in a situation for so long.
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That might end up being what happens, the whole cannibalism
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thing and I was like, so I'm dealing with this on two shows
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now. Okay.
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All right what the fuck do I watch?
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Like really you just gonna eat your boy because whatever?
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I guess he was like okay well let's not let this go to waste
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or so I don't know that was really and I named it was like
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oh that's how you do your friends.
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Let me get the hell up out of here and she's takes off running
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now. Now here's the thing about her
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running away from him. And this is what I noticed in a
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lot of shows movies, whatever, why y'all gotta wrong with your
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mouth, open, you think they don't hear you.
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If you need to need oxygen, you had a gold box of Jeannie.
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And if you're running you can't be trying to breathe through
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your nose and run. You know what?
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If I have to choose between being in pain, breathing through
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my nose and being in pain? Letting this chalak, take my
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intestines out, so he can have dessert.
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No, I'm yeah. Well, the key is EC mean, I have
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known this but then the trial against were trying to capture
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her. Not kill her.
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So That that, that would you know she probably didn't know
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that. Well, plus plus.
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She had just she had just gotten back to being conscious so she
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probably wasn't no condition to be running.
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Anyway, like she was because she just got dragged from her
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Village to some distant part of woods.
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So there's there's no telling like they she has no wind.
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Like she literally is like sure she had plenty of time to rest
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and catch up. You do her head her.
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So she's probably in pain or poor Scout.
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Bless her heart. You wake up?
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The staff has heard, you're cold.
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You got these big ugly monsters, eating each other, get up and
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fucking read this, right? Okay, so we should at least take
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a trip. So what you just said ties into
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something? That was said later on in the
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episode. So I'm a remember that, ask?
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Yes, yes, she did. No, but she did, but she didn't
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trip and get caught again. Oh, Like, you know, like a
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hardship like and my daughter was like, girl you better dip
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your head? I said well, that that's a hot
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spring. She was like, oh so I know she
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was trying to keep her head above that water like huh and as
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soon as he got close she was like all right let me get up
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under here and then when he started like stabbing I was like
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Okay, so where did she go? Cuz it's not like she could have
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gotten up without him hearing her?
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I was really confused. I was like, wait, how deep is
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that spring? Yeah, it's like the size of it.
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It's not about hot tub like this.
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You when she's swimming around his legs out, how does she not
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bump into him? She stays against the wall
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because he used to having in the middle.
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Yeah, he just stay the against the wall while he was still in a
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hot tub like like a 4x4, hot tub.
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I mean, I don't think I'll have a response.
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She's naive. I mean it.
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Okay, he's Rambo. I mean, just, let's just start
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the episode off establishing that she is badass.
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Oh, okay. That's what we're doing.
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Okay. All right.
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So we see, she's badass and now she's got Land by throat and I'm
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just looking like I really, I think I said this in the first
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episode So, or was it the end of lap that the end of the last
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episode? I was like, I can see a fight
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between them, but no, I ship them.
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Like even at this point, I shipped them and I will go ahead
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and say, I know what happens in the rest of the series or at the
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rest of the season. I don't know if that's going to
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be an actual ship, but it's obvious.
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There's like Some strong attraction there and I'm here
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for it. I'm here for it.
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That's all I'm going to say. So anyway I shipped him with her
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more than I should have him with meringue.
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I just I don't I don't really feel more as more of a more of
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an authority figure than a potential love interest.
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It's like she's she's his boss is there's the really no chance
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even when they got into the hot springs together.
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It's like you're like Okay, whatever thing ain't shit going
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to happen between them because he's more of a, she's more of
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his boss. It's like, like I'm like, you
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just are just like and whatever this is good.
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We're just conserving energy. I don't look at it, I don't see
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it as like a and employee-employer relationship
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in that sense like yes I do know that she is the I guess you
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could say she's in charge and in that whole situation, but I
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never get that ass, you know, I never get that that I don't get
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that vibe from her as far as how she views him you know when you
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see other characters who are paired with other people who
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they are, obviously the superior.
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A lot of them, make it known that.
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Hey, I'm your Superior. I don't get that vibe from her,
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I get a Vibe of. There's a lot of trust there.
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There's a lot of respect there and there is some kind of
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emotional connection even though I don't think it's really in
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that sense, you know it's not. Yeah, I see what you're saying,
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but I really, I mean, did. Yeah.
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There's there's not, maybe there's not a boss like
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relationship between them but there's definitely a platonic
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relationship. There's no.
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Like I don't think there's really a chance of them even
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though I don't think they think of each other like that thing
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because they have set roles in it.
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Like she's she's who she is, he's who he is, and that's it.
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And they're just and they're good with those roles.
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Well, I'm just saying as far as the eye I said I and the waters
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knowing that that that relationship can Encompass.
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Any type of bond you've been on the road with somebody for two
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years looking for these people who are who are supposed to be
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the dragon reborn y'all don't really?
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Yeah, I don't really associate with anybody else.
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There, there was something happening there and maybe once,
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maybe tell your things on Anthony.
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Never really nope. Okay not ever.
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So what you're saying is like, you know, they could be like a
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you know, slip into hip every now and then but it's like I
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just did. I don't see that kind of
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Chemistry Between them? Like I see between him and I
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need like, I could definitely like with the attention that
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they have between each other. I could definitely see that
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before. I can see him and hurt him and I
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wasn't it. I can't.
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I just can't This is one of those situations for me were
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it's really hard to separate what I know about them in the
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book from how the, on the show. But it's more like a therapist,
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patient relationship. You know, and he's sort of like
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the patient that is providing a service for his like a
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bodyguard. It's really interesting type of
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relationship. Okay?
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I I can see, I can see that. I can see that.
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So okay, be a nom de. I'm just joking.
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I'm, you know, I'm just being silly but it's like, you know,
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everything everything that we watch, you know, people are
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always trying to pair people up like okay, these are two main
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characters in this band, they're supposed to be together.
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And it's like, sometimes it just don't go, I'm hoping that's not
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the direction they were trying to go with this show.
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As far as like those two being together, just companionship.
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Why? Wise and then you know, with the
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hot tub saying, I'm hoping that was just the kind of like put
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the filler out there but just to put it out there and not really
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Hood to like cement anything because I just I don't see
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that's no those are those are Spencer's for women that wanted
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to see his body. That's just sit like I'm not mad
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at all. They're also trying to show the
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closeness of water and the acid. I Without actually trying to
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explain it. Okay.
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Okay. Kind of do later.
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But, you know, at the jump they just want to do kind of a real
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quick thing so they can move forward.
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So yeah. What's the best way to put that?
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Yeah, let's put them to in a bathtub together.
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Okay? Naked together.
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But actually no romance. No sex, no, no, I get it, I get
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it nuf s'ti me. Altered?
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Yeah, I did it. I get it.
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But okay, let's go on to the for because you know, we have our
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group that splinter because of Matt's dumbass you know, actions
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and shot should look up. Okay, yeah, I don't know why
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those two words together, it's so weird trying to put them
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together for me. I don't know why but so you have
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mad and ran And they're traveling over the mountains,
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trying to meet up with egwene and parent.
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And when a parent are kind of going through the woods and
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going through, like Open Fields, but they're all separated,
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they're all, you know, kind of showing their own doubts with
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everything. And I think this is where you
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for me, this is where you start to really see the personalities
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of the people that they are. Because even though egwene and
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ran are not together as a couple right now, you still see that
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there's a strong connection for them.
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But it's interesting because Rand is the one who is like, no
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we have to go East because that's what egwene would do.
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And he, I feel like he's so much.
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Sure of who she is. Then she isn't who he is, you
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know what I'm saying? Because she was the type that
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was like, know, they would go home and Perón was like, he
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ain't going home cause you ain't going home and he knows you're
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not going home, so he's not going home.
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It's just one of those things where you kind of you kind of
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see like How strong those bonds are between all of them like
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random at, you know, even though they were introduced as best
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friends in the first episode or that was kind of the idea.
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I got of them. You see the things are not all
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that great between them and I don't know if that's part of the
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Shadows, the the Shadows influence from Matt touching the
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blade or Mac carrying the blade because he still has the blade,
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right? Yeah, yes, yeah.
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So, I don't know if that has to do with that Darkness
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influencing him, or if he's always felt kind of, like,
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overshadowed by Rand, or something like that, but you get
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to see a lot of that in this episode, like, Rand is really
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trying to keep his spirits up. He's trying to keep Matt spirits
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up. He's joking with him.
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Like, yeah, we just went through this really traumatic thing, but
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I'm going to try to keep us in a, you know, in a good place and
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Matt is the one that's being like such.
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Dick, and I'm just like dude what is your problem?
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I don't know. Matt, Matt, I think I ranted
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about this before, but the one thing that I don't like about
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the show is how they've done man's character because this
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characterization of Matt is not how using a book.
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He's not dark and brooding and emo like he is in the show.
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He's much more lighthearted and he's mature.
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He's much more even even in the darkest of times he still is
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Making snide comments and very very snarky and funny and witty
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here. He's just just, just go away
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dude and just go away. I don't like him at all.
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I still see some of that snarkiness in him, but it does,
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it is mean-spirited. But that's why I'm saying, I
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wonder if that's the the darkness coming off the blade.
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That's kind of getting into him. Making him be a little bit more.
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It's kind of, like, with Ron Hermione and Harry with the
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horcrux. You know, time They Carried the
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horcrux a part of Voldemort's Soul was kind of corrupting them
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a little bit. I kind of get the feeling the
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blade is doing that too. Well since you brought that up,
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did you hear the theory about? Because here was a horcrux
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that's the reason why the dursleys treated him the way
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they did was they were being influenced by him as a horcrux
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the nurse least. Were just asshole.
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Well, at least Vernon dursley, and petunia was just following
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behind her, her husband, because you saw when they got ready to
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leave, privet drive, and it was just her and Harry.
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She had a little bit of just a little bit of not necessarily
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niceness, but civil - towards him.
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But yeah, let's yeah. Okay, but yeah, but I think it
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feels like the they made met. Like this because you say, you
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saw a little bit of, in the first episode.
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I kind of a little bit, but he was still breathing and dark and
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that very happy. He didn't seem I made.
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Well, I mean, if you think about it in the first episode, he was
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sitting in the town watching his father flirt, with other women,
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while his mother was standing there watching and him as their
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child at their watch. It, I wasn't being a good mood,
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My point, they're going to show the showed him like that in the
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beginning because they're going to make a point about the knife
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already. Bringing out the darkness in
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him. I so by starting him out as a
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level where, okay, we already recognize and see that he has a
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little bit of darkness in him, then it's not going to be hard
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for us to accept that the knife medium dark because if you start
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him out his light-hearted which there's no book, then he gets
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the knife. If he starts taking his turn to
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head, add the condensed everything down for for us to
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understand these characters. The same reason why they gave
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parent or wife and had him kill her because they don't have the
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time to show us that. He's just an introspective
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person who keeps himself in everything is internal, okay.
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So they had to give us a reason. So the same thing, when Matt
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they had to give us a reason to think.
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Okay. Well yeah, of course the knife
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is going to make him dark. He already had some darkness in
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him and the knife attached to that Darkness.
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So I can see why they did it that way.
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I just don't like it. I saw it a little bit different
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whenever there's a group of friends close.
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Friends growing up, you always have a kid have a role or
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position, so to speak. So you've got the kid who
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doesn't have a mom, that you know that that's ran.
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You've got the, you've got the kid who's got a little bit more
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money that's going to parents on the tavern.
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You've got the kid who sort of stands out a little bit
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different. That's apparently you've got the
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kid who may not have as much money enough as much opportunity
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but they're still part of the group and they kind of ignore
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that they have to give them a sandwich at lunch was, he
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doesn't have lunch money, that's kind of the vibe I get from the
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show about him, but from the book and he's right.
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It's totally different. It's it's more like they have
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to, like the characters. There's so much inner monologue
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in that first book with the characters that they had to
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translate it in a way that was believable.
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Quick for the TV series. Okay.
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So that's just the two cents. Did anybody notice that, that
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Matt is actually getting more gone and drawn and like darker,
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the more Discerning like, like, like the like like, you know
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it's just the Trope that you know, you're carrying you carry
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a dark object and it starts draining the life force from
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you, like is actually starting to do it with him.
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So I think that has bad as that probably has a lot to do with
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his with how he is too. I mean because like We were
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we've never seen that happen to anybody.
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Any book ever before? Never absolutely.
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I mean, we know that, you know, Bill ball Frodo.
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We've never seen anything. The dark object.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's like, you know, I mean, well, I mean what, who would
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expect that if you pick up something that calls to you and
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that you feel a part of it that it would take part of you with
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it? I mean, they that's
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preposterous. What is the thing that mrs.
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Weasley said regarding Tom Riddle's, Diary she said, never.
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What was it? Never pick up.
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Something, if you don't never never listen to something that
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speaks to you, if you can't see where it keeps his brain.
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She said something to that fat, like if there's a object calling
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to you and you'd like, no, you run, you leave that shit alone.
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But if it's something is calling to you, that doesn't have legs
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arms or a mouth. This no, no, no, no, it's a
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waste of time. So, Mickey was okay in Fantasia
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with The Walking broomsticks, a stick.
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Did you see how that turned out? No, he was not.
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Okay, no. Oh, well, that's true.
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But see, here's the thing. I believe, truly that the way
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that this was set up with these characters, it is a classic DND
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dragonlance, you know, they meet at the end and they go on their
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Adventure type of a thing which we see in all fantasy books.
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But what makes us Effort is that Robert Jordan created it just
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different enough that you're hooked, but you're not hooked.
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Like you would say for Shannara, you're hooked in a way where
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you're like, I actually want to see where this is going,
00:22:49
granted, like I said in the first episode, they shortened
00:22:52
some things because it took ran instead 14 days to get town and
00:22:56
took him another five days to get back to town but that's your
00:22:58
story. I love this this this whole
00:23:02
concept of the kids each being Distinct personalities.
00:23:06
And I like the way that the pairing is our when they pair
00:23:09
off because if I was writing this, I would have switched some
00:23:13
characters to have certain people go certain ways, but the
00:23:15
way that they have it, you know, you get the setup of the gleamin
00:23:18
right? And that's exciting.
00:23:20
And that's going to be interesting and I know that's
00:23:21
going to have some stuff hopefully later on down the
00:23:23
line. But the configuration of how
00:23:27
they split is interesting, meaning the Tinkers and and oh,
00:23:30
and and stuff like that. So yeah, it's kind of cool.
00:23:33
I like the Of the tankers because anytime I can see Maria
00:23:37
Doyle Kennedy on my screen, I'm happy.
00:23:41
I love her as I live, I mean, but she's like, I can't think of
00:23:45
anything that, you know, like any of my shows that I've like,
00:23:49
really, really like the last few years where she hasn't appeared
00:23:52
in, she was in the tutor she was in Downton Abbey, she was an
00:23:55
orphan black, she was in, she's an Outlander, she's in this.
00:24:01
I know I'm forgetting something from the last couple of years,
00:24:04
but she's like, all over the place and I loved it.
00:24:07
When I saw on the screen, I was like, Yay cuz I didn't even know
00:24:10
she was going to be in this show.
00:24:12
But yeah, well, we'll talk about the Tinkers later because
00:24:16
they're interesting Bunch. They're very interesting Bunch
00:24:20
but um, I think one of the interesting things, you know, I
00:24:24
didn't think about this until Lori said it when we were
00:24:27
discussing the last episode and now it's all I can think about
00:24:31
pairing being a werewolf like there.
00:24:35
We service there is opposite. My bells wolves looked like or
00:24:43
they sounded like, they were going to attack him and egwene
00:24:47
and all they were doing was pushing them out of the forest
00:24:50
and pushing them on the path that they needed to go.
00:24:53
Because as soon as they got them out, like all of the yapping and
00:24:57
all of the chasing after them stopped and they said that the
00:25:01
far as like, you're welcome, you know, I'm I mean, it's like,
00:25:05
look at like this. There's no chance in hell that
00:25:09
pairing with a hurt leg and egwene being egwene.
00:25:12
We're going to outrun a pack of wolves.
00:25:15
Where does that mean? Not quite being and Wayne?
00:25:17
What does that comment mean? She's a small woman who take
00:25:20
small steps. Woes.
00:25:23
She's cheap. You, you think she can outrun a
00:25:25
pack of wolves? Do you think she can outrun a
00:25:27
pack of wolves? I've been, no, no, she can't.
00:25:30
It has nothing. Has nothing to do with her
00:25:32
powers and then to her as a person.
00:25:34
She's a small Listen with small legs and can't run fast.
00:25:37
Gonna get caught. She's gonna get Gil Devers.
00:25:42
A small will move his small dicks and seek it out right now.
00:25:47
We're not seeing right now. You could you gonna make me
00:25:50
puke? We're gonna start taking this
00:25:51
into an entirely different level that we don't need to take it to
00:25:54
his initiative. Picked up his bed.
00:25:56
Like I won't step on this beer instead of tea.
00:26:01
Look, man, I'm saying to the puck She could not outrun a pack
00:26:06
of wolves. That's my point.
00:26:07
And and parents still has a hurt leg and was going to do, he's
00:26:11
going to outrun them fall down the Devil comes because lady be
00:26:13
like, all right, get up again. Donkey braying those who still
00:26:16
have a her leg. We haven't seen that leg lately.
00:26:20
I mean, I might need the war feel it.
00:26:22
You probably don't know it after you after licking it and like
00:26:25
little. But it's like, yes it's yeah.
00:26:28
It just goes back to like him actually being able to talk to
00:26:31
the animals. He's basically dr.
00:26:33
Dolittle now it's like you He can do you think he knows what
00:26:36
they're saying and he knows which way to run.
00:26:38
Because you notice when they were running, he was like, wait,
00:26:41
we have to go this way. It's like the Wolves were
00:26:43
telling him, like they're running wrong way, and there,
00:26:45
when they were growling and yelping at him, he was like, oh
00:26:48
shit. No, no, we have to go this way
00:26:50
and he switched Direction like in the middle of them running.
00:26:53
So then that's how it doesn't hundred percent him being able
00:26:56
to tell that which way he needed to go and probably getting help
00:27:00
from the Wolves but was it was weird about it, too, like I'm
00:27:03
not in bracelet, I'm not, I'm not.
00:27:05
Not know, I know this is what probably happened.
00:27:07
But, no, I mean, northern it just didn't look, he's he's just
00:27:11
like the great Michael J fox in the, in the Epic Movie Teen Wolf
00:27:15
where he gets the powers, but he just doesn't know what to do
00:27:18
with them and he does know how to accept them.
00:27:21
It's like, you know it's only a matter of time.
00:27:24
See, I can't even think that far back because it's been so long
00:27:27
since I've seen that Teen Wolf. I think Scott McCall and Tyler
00:27:31
Posey right there for you, Mike. They voted for you.
00:27:35
Yeah. And Rob's of the podcast for
00:27:38
beating me to a Teen Wolf reference.
00:27:44
That's what I'm here for. But I mean, I still think that
00:27:47
he if he's not a werewolf, he just had the bite or whatever
00:27:50
happened to him. Has given him has given him an
00:27:52
innate sense to communicate with animals, and figure out what's
00:27:55
going on with him. So, so we're safe, don't don't
00:27:58
feed the B, did it? No, listen.
00:28:05
Okay, if he's not a werewolf, I'm just throwing this out there
00:28:08
if he's not a werewolf than he could possibly be sensitive, he
00:28:13
could be some sort of person who has affinity for animals that
00:28:19
can speak and communicate. You know the animals, you know,
00:28:23
all Aquaman. I it could be anything, you
00:28:25
know. But it's like it's like Antonia
00:28:28
one encounter you encounter. Yeah.
00:28:32
I haven't seen that movie. I'm not going to confirm nor
00:28:36
deny whether or not he's werewolf.
00:28:39
But I will reiterate, what I said.
00:28:41
The last time we talked about this show, remember how authors
00:28:46
and writers have different interpretations of what a
00:28:49
werewolf is. True and I would just keep that
00:28:53
in mind. Okay?
00:28:56
But I am not saying that he didn't get bit right here.
00:29:00
That's attached, was from the chalak strong despite okay,
00:29:03
okay, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah II, I say he's
00:29:09
sensitive and can can communicate.
00:29:12
That's what I say? Because like I said, we have
00:29:17
with all the different magical systems that were we see with
00:29:21
the ice die. And this and that don't you
00:29:23
think that if there was some sort of werewolf type of a
00:29:27
creature that was long-standing they would know about it.
00:29:30
I mean you know I mean we're still only three episodes in so
00:29:35
who's not to say that long who might show up later on, remember
00:29:40
the breaking of the world was 3 years ago, a lot of
00:29:45
knowledge, a lot of things were lost when the breaking happened.
00:29:50
The breaking took place over over a hundred years or so.
00:29:54
A lot of things was like we're lost is literally like if
00:29:58
everything that we have now, and we're plunged into caveman
00:30:01
times, like that's what they had left after the breaking.
00:30:07
Many things, a lot of knowledge was lost.
00:30:12
And I'm just going to, I'm going to say this, and I don't really
00:30:16
think this is a spoiler. But you remember in Game of
00:30:20
Thrones when the Dragons Were awakened?
00:30:27
It caused a lot of other magic to start.
00:30:30
It's as if magic had returned. So in the will of time, the
00:30:37
dragon has been Reborn. The final battle is upon us.
00:30:42
We are nearing the end of an age.
00:30:46
So the wheel is putting things in place that needs to be in
00:30:51
place for the final battle to be a fair fight.
00:30:56
Okay. Okay, so the wheel has now, spun
00:31:01
out not one to viren but 52 variant, which is V which is
00:31:07
never happened before, right? So we have five two viren and
00:31:12
they're all very different. Also, remember the any man who
00:31:15
could channel was destroyed or killed.
00:31:18
What if a man wasn't channeling, what if he was something else?
00:31:24
And he was killed because he had an affinity.
00:31:28
Let's call it that for a particular animal.
00:31:32
So the will has now I'm basically I'm saying things that
00:31:37
were gone have sort of returned, right?
00:31:40
The hasn't been very powerful acid.
00:31:42
I know that I served out or current, I said that his
00:31:48
powerful as any of the ice that for 3000 years ago, none of
00:31:52
them. They don't even come close.
00:31:54
Okay then nowhere near even omelet, none of them you can put
00:32:00
three or four of them together and they're not even as powerful
00:32:03
as one of the least powerful acts that I the time, 3
00:32:08
years ago. So all these things are starting
00:32:10
to come back. So there are things that are
00:32:13
lost people who may have other types of powers, they aren't
00:32:19
related to challenge. Okay, I have returned because
00:32:23
they're needed. His final battle.
00:32:25
Okay. Yes.
00:32:27
Having said that. What if the the the guy that got
00:32:31
killed that they were chasing in the first episode?
00:32:34
What if he wasn't like see wasn't Dragonborn, maybe he
00:32:38
maybe he got blessed with the gift of baby talking to the dead
00:32:42
or talking to like the spirit world like us do because he was
00:32:46
alone. He was running alone but he
00:32:48
thought he was running with somebody and he was talking to
00:32:50
somebody and they were guiding him.
00:32:53
So is it? So did he get a like a gift of
00:32:56
talking to us communicating with the spirit world or think
00:32:59
something like that? Just like Perrin can talk to
00:33:02
animals and Matt can pick up stuff that he's not supposed to
00:33:06
pick up and ran kid brand, Koran can brewed moodily and almost
00:33:10
got himself killed all the time. No.
00:33:12
Very very colossal. Knock down the door that
00:33:15
technically speaking, he would not have been able to knock down
00:33:19
so yeah, can't wait to get that part.
00:33:21
Yeah, yeah, okay. So you're right.
00:33:24
Because one thing I told you before, remind on, do nothing
00:33:28
and talk about it, but women cannot see me and channel.
00:33:32
So the has to be other things that they look for to find a man
00:33:36
that can Channel sofa man is doing something weird like,
00:33:39
talking to spirits. That looks like he's going
00:33:42
crazy. So he must be a Channeler.
00:33:44
Well, he might be a necromancer and don't know, and they don't
00:33:48
know what that is. So they're gonna kill him
00:33:49
anyway. Right, well, this, why didn't
00:33:51
that this? That's why when of the Rules is
00:33:54
they have to go before the ominous seat for a trial because
00:33:57
that way they can determine whether or not he's channeling,
00:34:02
okay? Because if it is possible that
00:34:03
he isn't channeling and he's a something weird and strange and
00:34:07
they have to let him go. Okay, another question that I
00:34:12
want to ask kind of get moving into a different part of the
00:34:16
show, so More rains injury to her shoulder.
00:34:23
I don't remember how that happened.
00:34:25
I mean, I know it was during the battle with the tropics but did
00:34:27
she get like did she get stabbed with something?
00:34:31
This should get clogged. She got stabbed okay and it went
00:34:34
through her. Yes.
00:34:35
Okay because I was trying to figure out if she got injured by
00:34:39
a trollop and parent also got injured by a child like why was
00:34:43
her so much worse than his. But if it went through then yet
00:34:48
probably penetrated his Out through muscle and skin and
00:34:53
bone. And if I remember hearing got
00:34:56
clawed, okay, they don't poison their claws, but their poison
00:35:01
their weapons. Got you, okay?
00:35:04
That makes sense to me because I was trying to just route, like
00:35:07
why was Moraine like in this particular episode?
00:35:12
She's damn near comatose. Yeah, she's gonna put the the
00:35:16
trolley poisoning poisoned are their weapons.
00:35:19
Okay, okay. And then my name is tries to,
00:35:23
you know, she she puts together a poultice to put on her and it
00:35:29
seems to help a little bit but nowhere near what she needs.
00:35:33
So, you know, I I don't know, it's kind of one of those things
00:35:39
is like, you know, you talk about the wheel and how it does
00:35:43
how it kind of, I guess influences things that happen in
00:35:46
this life. And I feel like, Even though the
00:35:50
circumstances were a little bit weird, I would say, you know,
00:35:55
49a to like all of a sudden, find them, even though they have
00:35:59
been traveling for, who knows how long she was still able to
00:36:03
find them and not only find them, but she was the one person
00:36:06
who was able to put together something that could, at least
00:36:09
help Moran until they got her where they needed her to be,
00:36:13
which was, as we saw at the end of the episode amongst other.
00:36:17
I said I, but I was just like, oh, so was that?
00:36:22
Because my name chose to go. There was something influencing
00:36:26
her to follow them and do all this.
00:36:29
So it's like, I'm looking at it all in different, you know, from
00:36:34
remember. Remember else will he or she
00:36:36
says she tracked land. She tracked them.
00:36:39
But from, from a book readers perspective.
00:36:43
Remember, I was telling you to Varian since they've already
00:36:46
saved the village of Aaron, they have a pool towards each other.
00:36:50
Right? And you're going to be able to
00:36:51
find them eventually. And yeah, because I think it's
00:36:54
obvious from this episode that she's the, she's the fit
00:36:57
severan, you know, we were only told about four and then we've
00:37:01
been hearing about a fifth one and even Dana who Randon Matt
00:37:07
come across in the in the town that they visit.
00:37:10
She says, I dream of you and I dream of you all five of you,
00:37:16
five of you. And Matt was like five, like who
00:37:19
Who is, who else is supposed to be joining this Elite group?
00:37:23
But yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that that fifth one is
00:37:26
probably not naive. So, yeah.
00:37:31
Okay, it just made me, look at things a little bit differently,
00:37:35
you know, going back and watching it another time and
00:37:38
just kind of, you know, how it is.
00:37:39
You watch it the first time to watch it and then like, when you
00:37:42
watch it a second time, you watch it to pick up the things
00:37:46
that you miss the first time especially now That we've been
00:37:50
discussing it having a little more information about just the
00:37:55
the characters and how things work in that world being able to
00:37:59
kind of pick things now say, oh okay.
00:38:02
I'm looking at this in a different light because other
00:38:04
than that, I would have just been like oh, she's skilled
00:38:06
tracker. Okay, cool.
00:38:08
But she's a wisdom. That's not that's not something
00:38:12
that they necessarily do, right? Wisdoms are supposed to be like
00:38:16
the healers in the, the wise people.
00:38:19
Well, you usually get trackers from like the soldiers or the
00:38:22
Fighting Man are like I would have, I would think that ran was
00:38:26
probably be a good tracker, parent might be a good track,
00:38:30
you know. But I name That was kind of new,
00:38:36
but, you know, yeah, if she's if she's also tracking them or
00:38:41
feeling that pool towards them than that, will make a lot more
00:38:44
sense. Yeah.
00:38:46
And also the Healer part of it one.
00:38:50
Again, not really a spoiler but well, nevermind it is.
00:38:55
Forget, I said anything. Oh, never mind.
00:39:00
We'll talk about it later. Okay, we'll talk about later.
00:39:02
So yeah, let's let's talk about And Matt going to this town, I
00:39:07
can't remember what the name of the town is, but I thought it
00:39:12
was two words. I meant to write it down but you
00:39:16
know, I, I start to write things down when I'm watching and then
00:39:19
I get so engrossed in watching that.
00:39:21
I forget to take my notes but I'm gonna have to get better
00:39:24
about that but they go to this town.
00:39:27
They meet this chick who seems like she's real nice.
00:39:30
You know she's room. She's nice in a not nice way
00:39:35
like she's standard Tavern Fair. Like she's got the attitude like
00:39:40
okay she's got the smart mouth and probably be Because she has
00:39:45
to, she has to have learned how to do that, because she's an
00:39:48
attractive young woman. She's working in a bar with a
00:39:51
whole bunch of guys. And come on, let's let's be
00:39:53
honest, guys in these types of shows their dicks, their dicks
00:39:59
when it comes to women. So she's probably had to like,
00:40:02
learn how to have a tough, you know, tough mouth or whatever.
00:40:05
So, she kind of She got to get some random mats ass a little
00:40:12
bit but turns out she's a whole different Beast because she is a
00:40:17
dark friend or is that's right. Dark friend?
00:40:22
So because he seemed so different before and then it's
00:40:28
almost like, I don't know. If I felt like something took
00:40:32
over her, like from the time, they got there until the time
00:40:35
they left like something about the way, she was observing them.
00:40:38
You're trying to figure out what was going on.
00:40:40
She was asking a lot of questions.
00:40:42
She said there had a drink with ran and, you know, ran was, I
00:40:45
don't think ran was. I think he just needed somebody
00:40:51
to talk to, you know, and she's a young girl.
00:40:54
Yes, she's attractive. But she's a listening voice and
00:40:57
you know, everybody says that about part bartenders.
00:40:59
Anyway, bartenders that's who you put your feet up, your
00:41:03
troubles out to and they sit there and listen while they're
00:41:06
serving you drinks and getting drunk and making you spend your
00:41:08
money. But I don't know something about
00:41:12
her, she seemed different. And I don't know if there was
00:41:15
like a particular switch that she flipped or If she was just
00:41:20
that good and she was like, oh yeah.
00:41:22
Let me be friendly to them. And then, you know, once she got
00:41:26
to that part where she tried to kiss me, he backed off.
00:41:28
She was like, oh, all right switch flipped.
00:41:32
Let me show you who I truly am and it just changed from there.
00:41:36
And I was like, I know. Ran was like why?
00:41:39
What the fuck just happened? Because he looked genuinely
00:41:42
confused like, ran is one of those naive guys?
00:41:46
I feel like, because he's been in love with the same woman, his
00:41:49
Whole life. So he doesn't know about that
00:41:51
kind of, you know, womanly wiles and all the kind of things that
00:41:56
women supposedly would do to get to either have their way with
00:41:59
you, get the information from you or try to kill you.
00:42:02
So he's just sitting there like what the fuck just happened?
00:42:06
Let's do. I do?
00:42:09
Shut up Mike. I don't know, Anthony, you talk?
00:42:12
Because I know my keys. No way.
00:42:35
and the way they don't do things, or the way they do
00:42:37
things, you're just like This Look fucker.
00:42:42
And that's not even, he is, never a probably never ever
00:42:46
looked at another woman except for a big one.
00:42:49
So if we're going yeah. And it shows, you know what it
00:42:51
reminded me of, Anakin Skywalker, bass, know about the
00:42:55
mask. So, in the movie, The Mask,
00:42:58
where Stanley ipkiss is running away from the cops and the
00:43:02
friend that he has, who works with him, it comes against him
00:43:05
and take some carry really lost. Yes, Jim Carrey.
00:43:09
It takes them to her loss. Off and they start talking and
00:43:12
he's like, you know, they get kind of close like going, it's
00:43:14
going to kiss and then the bad guy comes in at the last moment
00:43:18
and she gives him the mask and is like, okay, this is what
00:43:21
happened. Like she turns on like a
00:43:22
last-minute. That's what that kind of
00:43:24
reminded me of, its kind of obscure reference, but I mean
00:43:27
domestic. My favorite movies, I don't care
00:43:29
how long I get the Anakin Skywalker, reference a little
00:43:32
bit better, I think that forever.
00:43:34
First of all, I'm taking my time back from the gentleman's from
00:43:39
Kennesaw. Really?
00:43:42
I reclaim my time, sir. All right, Max Waters.
00:43:44
You calm down. I don't know how to follow that
00:43:52
up with a. I was gonna say, you shouldn't
00:43:55
take any. What I told you to take the for,
00:43:57
see y'all gonna live in any one of these days?
00:44:00
I'm gonna see. Now we're not actually, no,
00:44:02
we're not, we're gonna see is when I was going to say was, I
00:44:07
don't know if this was intentional on the writers part,
00:44:11
but I think is brilliant that you you feel like Dana had to
00:44:14
switch. Because the and the common
00:44:21
attribute for a dark friend is a, you don't know who the fuck
00:44:25
is a dark frame. I'm like you have no freaking
00:44:28
clue even reading the books. You did these people, they hide
00:44:33
their really deceptive and be a really good at getting really
00:44:37
close to you and you think they're like your best friend.
00:44:40
And this scene though, you kind of the knife protruding out of
00:44:43
here, Nick As seen she started out kind of not Nick, Not
00:44:51
Innocent, but she seemed harmless enough.
00:44:54
I would say, you know. Yeah, okay.
00:44:57
I mean she had a mouth on her. You know, when Matt said
00:45:00
something about, you know, I'll grovel at your feet for a place
00:45:04
to stay and she was like, okay, go ahead and the floor is nasty.
00:45:07
She was like, what you waiting for?
00:45:09
I liked her quick-wittedness you know, wittiness in that scene is
00:45:15
she seemed like I I said, harmful then she starts talking
00:45:19
to Rand and she seemed a little bit more not seductive, but more
00:45:27
flirty kind of like, okay, let me see how this goes and I
00:45:31
didn't even think of it as a. Oh she's trying to get
00:45:35
information for the Fades or for the dark one.
00:45:39
I didn't look at it like that, I just thought it was genuine like
00:45:42
breaking you in interest. Like oh here are to life.
00:45:46
Am I attractive men? Because I mean, even even coming
00:45:49
into the town, even though they've been on this journey for
00:45:53
who knows weeks. At this point, they have fought
00:45:57
trolleys. They have, they have fled, a
00:46:02
shadow City. They still look better than half
00:46:05
of the man that you saw in that town, not necessarily physically
00:46:09
look, but they were cleaner. They just, you know, they just
00:46:13
carried themselves a little bit differently and she already told
00:46:16
me that. She was, like, most of these
00:46:17
people here have known me since I was, you know, a child or just
00:46:22
before I was born, they were in this town, so, when you're in a
00:46:27
situation like that, and here comes some, you know, some fresh
00:46:30
blood coming through the door. Yeah, she might get a little
00:46:33
bit. Flirty, that's what I took it as
00:46:37
but the moment he had rejected her kiss.
00:46:42
It's almost like everything about her change her, facial
00:46:46
Precious changed her body language changed.
00:46:49
Y'all know I talk about this all the time.
00:46:51
I paid close attention to facial expressions, body language, she
00:46:56
flipped that switch so fast, I was like, wait, what the fuck
00:46:59
just happened? It was Flawless like she's like
00:47:04
I shouldn't have done a braid said, I think that's what are
00:47:10
you talking about? She said, rise me to too much of
00:47:12
her. It was like, who because if you
00:47:15
think about, It ran only mentioned a girl.
00:47:19
When he asked about his friends, he said a girl with the braids
00:47:24
and a big guy that didn't, that's it.
00:47:27
I mean, nothing about the way that he said, that would have
00:47:29
given me the feeling of, oh, he's pining for this girl.
00:47:34
He just basically was like y'all.
00:47:35
Have you seen some people? Our age come in, that's the only
00:47:38
time he mentioned her. So for her to turn around and be
00:47:40
like, oh, the braid, it doesn't remind me too much of her.
00:47:44
And he says, what And I was like oh that's not weird because he
00:47:48
mentioned a girl with the braids at the beginning of the thing
00:47:50
that she says egwene. I was like, oh shit you in
00:47:53
trouble. But the thing about the in the
00:47:57
books is you don't ever really know who is a dart friend until
00:48:01
they reveal themselves to be a dark friend.
00:48:05
So it's not like they take actions that they do things that
00:48:08
make you think. Oh, this person is a dark
00:48:10
friend, right? Sometimes you have no freaking
00:48:14
clue until they do. And cdna flip that switch.
00:48:18
So I think it's a brilliant way to introduce a dark friend
00:48:21
because I thought it would be the singer.
00:48:24
First, I would have thought it was him.
00:48:28
And he turned out to be the one to help them, you know man.
00:48:31
Let me tell you the old pickpocket.
00:48:33
I was I was old pickpocket who just with snuck up on them and
00:48:36
shape them while they weren't looking no because the old
00:48:39
pickpocket would have been to for me it would have been too
00:48:41
obvious. You know, you take the guy that
00:48:45
literally just, you just basically buried a body with,
00:48:49
but you actually got to know them, you know, got to know him
00:48:53
a little bit enough to give him your real name and then, you
00:48:58
know, also the do was like, yeah, you come from the two
00:49:01
rivers and he was like, I never said, I was from the two rivers.
00:49:03
He was like everything about you, says the two rivers, the
00:49:06
way you walk, the way you look, the way, the way you talk
00:49:09
everything about you says that attitude, Stubborn attitude.
00:49:14
So I was like, something's not right about this guy and then
00:49:18
it's so funny because it turns out that he's the one that
00:49:20
helped them by throwing a sword in Dana's.
00:49:25
That that was cool. I hate it.
00:49:30
But that was, that was cool. He was like yeah you talking
00:49:36
about Tom Maryland the gleaming. Yes yes, his song that he sang
00:49:42
in his ears. Production was about loose there
00:49:45
until Aman. You the one who broke the world
00:49:49
and seeing all his dead relatives and he killed it's a
00:49:52
very sad song. Tom Maryland book be the same
00:49:57
treatment with him. They did with Matt, they made
00:49:59
him really really dark in the book.
00:50:01
He's actually very funny ugly man or funny.
00:50:05
They're entertainers but like this guy I don't want to sit and
00:50:10
cry when you sing a song. I'm supposed to be happy.
00:50:15
Well, it it it it goes back to the way he is in the book
00:50:20
because in the book there's something about him that I don't
00:50:24
know if it shows up in the other episodes.
00:50:25
Because I haven't seen, I'm halfway through episode 5 but if
00:50:28
they continue that should be interesting because he's going
00:50:34
to be. I hope a major character because
00:50:38
I enjoy seeing any time you've got a Bard character that can
00:50:42
fight message. Injure or someone who is
00:50:46
Entertainer, that does that. Because I usually Eternal to be
00:50:50
spies or assassin, so I was happy to see him, but this is
00:50:56
not a spoiler. He is a Cornerstone character in
00:50:59
the book. Oh, good.
00:51:01
Cause I was hoping he was supposed he was supposed to be
00:51:04
in the two rivers. I mean, in the book, that's
00:51:07
that's where he is. That's this what he started.
00:51:09
They all leave together, they moved him, they moved him.
00:51:14
To a different place. Yeah.
00:51:15
Because yeah, because the first episode I was like well, where's
00:51:18
Tom right? But yeah.
00:51:19
Okay. So that that answered my
00:51:21
question because like I said, I enjoyed so much I know, I know
00:51:25
why they didn't do it because of person you never know this of
00:51:31
another certain person and the relationship that she has with
00:51:35
her water, they didn't want to. Do you want to throw that out
00:51:39
there too soon? Me and Mike a little late.
00:51:47
Now, I know why they don't want you to focus.
00:51:52
They want you to focus on certain relationships and not
00:51:54
others. So it's better to to to just
00:51:59
show him for a couple of episodes and we will never see
00:52:01
him again probably. Okay.
00:52:04
Because it's like I was looking at him and I was like is that
00:52:07
Kurt Cobain? Like because he was like singing
00:52:09
like all sad and strumming, the guitar.
00:52:12
So I expect them to have like a ready.
00:52:14
In cardigan on its are seeing Another Man Who Sold the World
00:52:17
engine. He's more like Weird, Al
00:52:19
Yankovic in the book. He's who was rather very
00:52:23
colorful Patchwork jacket. You know, this is a community
00:52:27
that was like I said that was an accurate representation.
00:52:30
As far as the book, those what he did easy tells the people who
00:52:35
are book readers, who watch the show, that this is clearly going
00:52:39
to be darker than the book like between him and Matt.
00:52:46
This this show is not going to be like the book we're going
00:52:50
Game of Thrones dark this thing, okay?
00:52:53
And and just showing him like that.
00:52:59
Okay. Yeah, the the song was playing
00:53:01
in the background of my daughter was like, why does it sound like
00:53:04
Blues? She was like, the sounds.
00:53:06
Like she said it sounds like some blues record that she
00:53:10
listens to. I was sitting there like it was
00:53:13
a nice song I guess. In terms of, you know, sometimes
00:53:17
when you watch shows and they had the pub singers, they don't
00:53:21
necessarily sound all that great.
00:53:24
He sounded, okay? But it was like, you said, it
00:53:28
was very depressing. I was like, I need to switch
00:53:32
over to Netflix and play toss. A coin to your Witcher or
00:53:36
something. I need something that's gonna
00:53:38
live in it, but that is who he should be more like, okay, him,
00:53:46
or even the guy we saw at conjuration seeing the pub
00:53:49
songs. Yeah.
00:53:51
Okay. Okay.
00:53:53
If that's what he should be. Like okay, hmm.
00:53:57
Alright um, Let's see, what else is there to talk about in this
00:54:06
episode because your fingers? Yes!
00:54:09
The to I thought, yes, let's get to the Tinker.
00:54:13
So I'm traveling people. Yes, the traveling people.
00:54:17
So parent and egwene come across this Caravan of people in the
00:54:23
forest and they have this really weird way of introducing
00:54:27
themselves. They're like, do you know the
00:54:28
song? Ang and I was like, what's the
00:54:31
song? And, of course, obviously,
00:54:33
egwene and parent, don't know the song and they're going back
00:54:36
and forth. This is one woman with a younger
00:54:39
dude and they're going back and forth talking and he tells them
00:54:42
what they're supposed to say. If they don't know the song and
00:54:45
then she says what they're supposed to say if they know the
00:54:48
song and then they're like you guys look like you need some
00:54:51
food? Come on.
00:54:54
They just take them in. And so, the Tinkers are this
00:54:59
their wandering group, they're traveling group.
00:55:02
And basically, what is it that she says are fires.
00:55:05
Are open to all that needed. Our food is open to all that
00:55:09
needed. So basically they just they they
00:55:11
travel around the country and they pick up, people who might
00:55:16
need, you know, some fresh food, a warm place to, you know, kind
00:55:21
of camp out or whatever which obviously Li Guang and parent
00:55:25
need it because they have been on their own for, who knows how
00:55:28
long at this point. But that's an interesting group,
00:55:32
tell us a little bit more about that group Anthony.
00:55:35
Okay, go ahead. No, go ahead, Mike, are you sure
00:55:41
this is the last time? You know, I'm sure that's all
00:55:45
I'm saying is I'm getting when they were, like, how they were
00:55:48
talking to him. I was like, okay, this is giving
00:55:51
me like heavy, like traveling Carnival Vibes or traveling
00:55:56
cannibal lives. Like, I keep it.
00:55:59
I half. Expect parent to wake up on a
00:56:00
spit, like, rotating over a fire, like, like, oh my God.
00:56:05
Like, but I mean, I'm like maybe they're good enough and you
00:56:09
know, but I just did there were giving giving off really weird
00:56:13
Vibes to me. It's like, I really kind of got
00:56:15
the feeling that they were going to eat.
00:56:16
Perinatal egg. White is rahmani and acceptable
00:56:21
term. Yeah.
00:56:23
Is I'm sorry. Robot line.
00:56:25
Romani, is that acceptable? Yes, I think so.
00:56:29
Okay, because that that's that's the, the what I got and I was
00:56:34
immediately intrigued reading the book when they were talking
00:56:37
about them. And I was like, oh, because in
00:56:41
another book series by Kevin J Anderson.
00:56:44
There is a group of people in space that are basically that
00:56:49
and they, they Roam and they're called roamers and Still the
00:56:54
official term in the book series out of the seven sons and the
00:56:57
roamers are kind of like these people only there on spaceships
00:57:01
and they basically mine various gases and minerals for the rest
00:57:07
of the universe and they run into some issues, but it
00:57:10
reminded me of that. Now I've always been intrigued
00:57:13
by the whole concept of basically you know getting in a
00:57:15
caravan and traveling you know to and from you know, different
00:57:19
places the descriptions in the book of how they can't stay in
00:57:23
made Our cities and towns, sort of, you know, the prejudices
00:57:26
that people have of this particular group of people, but
00:57:30
I was fascinated and the song. Now, I haven't gone past.
00:57:34
I'm about a third way through a book too, but I'm calling it
00:57:38
right now. I bet you one of the five knows
00:57:41
the song and I bet you the song is going to be a lot more
00:57:47
important than people think. That's just me.
00:57:50
Just going off of what I read was suspect it.
00:57:53
That's the case. I would think it would be like
00:57:55
9af, maybe because she's the one that's not original to the town
00:58:03
where the other for, you know, were born, but right.
00:58:06
And I don't think it's fate of no spoilers, no spoilers, but
00:58:10
don't get your hopes up about the song.
00:58:13
Just why these leaders have have torture themselves or the song
00:58:21
Forever don't get too. So what you're saying, is the
00:58:25
almighty great stairs and didn't didn't deliver with those last
00:58:29
three books. I'm not saying any more.
00:58:33
There's another, the Shannara series, they are Rovers.
00:58:38
Who are very similar, forgot about that, your rights.
00:58:41
Got out of it. The Rover's.
00:58:44
Like, the I only saw like the first sir, first two episodes of
00:58:48
season 2 of Shannara, but weren't they in like the first
00:58:51
episode of season 2? I abandoned the scenario
00:58:56
Chronicles TV show because I don't remember seeing them, but
00:59:01
they may have been. Okay.
00:59:03
I was trying to I was trying to think of the the people that are
00:59:09
trai ended up with after everything that happened with.
00:59:13
I think that was the Rovers. Okay.
00:59:15
Yeah. I think I did watch that.
00:59:18
Okay. Okay.
00:59:20
The two other one, I'm not going to give anything away but The
00:59:24
12th, one of the traveling people, or the Tinkers are
00:59:31
remember. I keep saying this things have
00:59:34
changed over the last 3 years, so they may not even
00:59:39
remember what their original purpose was, but they have a
00:59:44
role to play, okay? Be are an important group of
00:59:51
people in this world. Okay.
00:59:54
And I know they, they followed the way of the Iana when they
00:59:58
said the way of the leaf, my mind went to Firefly, I couldn't
01:00:03
help it. It's like, no, don't do this to
01:00:05
me. But anyway, so they followed the
01:00:08
way of the leaf, and it's basically a non-violent
01:00:10
lifestyle so, like even if they're attacked or something
01:00:15
like that, they just don't fight back, which is a very foreign
01:00:19
concept for me to think about giving the world that we live
01:00:23
in. Vin.
01:00:24
But they really are a people that kind of practice piece,
01:00:32
right? So, we learned their history.
01:00:36
Will remember where they came from.
01:00:37
It will make sense, okay? Okay.
01:00:41
But yeah, they're they're they're interesting much but I'd
01:00:45
like them because they took care of iguana Perrin so I like them
01:00:49
and Maria Doyle Kennedy is the the leader so I like them if
01:00:55
they even have benefited, I will say this.
01:00:58
But they have benefited from being very open to other people
01:01:03
joining them and marrying into their families and creating
01:01:07
offspring, that don't look like who.
01:01:10
They're And from now Anthony correct me if I'm wrong.
01:01:15
But when they were with them weren't they supposed to meet
01:01:18
somebody and we had, we haven't seen them in this episode yet?
01:01:23
Yes, he's not with him. That's why I thought, okay.
01:01:27
Yeah. Okay.
01:01:29
She's how badly the same thing. We did with Tom being moved.
01:01:33
Tom in a different spot. They have also moved its other
01:01:36
character that we've seen pad and fame, who we've seen, is
01:01:42
supposed to have been with the tankers at this time.
01:01:44
But for some strange reason he's not oh okay.
01:01:50
He was the he was the the guy with every works.
01:01:56
Yeah. The traveling Merchant in the
01:01:58
first. Episode the black dude, with the
01:02:00
small twist. Yeah.
01:02:02
Is he going is? We see where he and Matt are
01:02:09
doing, like, a little trade. Can we assume?
01:02:12
And this is pre not after can we assume that Matt's been doing
01:02:15
Trinkets and trading with him all along?
01:02:20
I thought that was the impression I got when they were
01:02:22
talking. Hmm, I thought I just cuz I
01:02:25
wasn't I didn't know if that was a one-time thing or not because
01:02:28
I was thinking it has to be more than one because he they were
01:02:31
able to strike up a deal very quickly.
01:02:35
So that will be that and Fain was and we're going back to that
01:02:39
first episode pain and fame was basically their link to the
01:02:42
outside world for the two rivers.
01:02:44
Okay. That's what I miss.
01:02:46
Okay, remember the two of you they were very welcoming and
01:02:49
they do get merchants and things and people come in and out for
01:02:53
the wool and all that stuff. But patents.
01:02:56
Fame brings he brings the news of the world to them so that you
01:03:00
look for secluded. Yeah.
01:03:03
But he when he comes he knows that they want to know what's
01:03:07
happening in the world. Like when the merchants come to
01:03:09
trade for the wool, they get the one they leave but now he kind
01:03:13
of hangs around for you know a week or two telling stories of
01:03:17
what's going. Where he brings like news, kind
01:03:20
of like newspapers for them to read and you know, so yeah Matt
01:03:25
yeah, that was the impression I got in their first episode
01:03:28
because when he was trading with him, he was like, well, not this
01:03:31
time. You know, I don't have anything
01:03:32
for you. Now, what you got for me?
01:03:34
So yeah, they've traded before. Okay.
01:03:40
All right. Um, so there was another 0v, the
01:03:47
person who was hanging in the town or who was hanging in the
01:03:51
cage in the town when Rand and Matt got there, he's called Anne
01:03:56
IL the IU IU, okay, are they going to play prominently into
01:04:02
the story? So I don't want to give away too
01:04:07
much about the IU but bi you are a people.
01:04:13
Who live beyond the spine of the world in this world, the spine
01:04:19
of the world, is a mountain range, I think, to the
01:04:22
Northeast. And on the other side is a vast
01:04:26
desert and so they think of them as the Freeman.
01:04:31
They're basically the framing from Doom, they live in a
01:04:34
desert, they're divided up in the Clans and it's a very harsh
01:04:40
environment. They have these very harsh.
01:04:43
They live by they don't use swords.
01:04:46
There is a reason that they use Spears, they have Spears.
01:04:53
They don't ride horses on this. They have to okay?
01:04:58
Yeah, I just walk everywhere. Run.
01:05:03
Okay? Okay, yes.
01:05:05
And if in the bull very physically, a death, okay.
01:05:09
Actually, yes. Yes, they are because of the
01:05:12
harsh environment, he lived and but you learn more about them as
01:05:18
a. So I guess as a Seasons progress
01:05:22
will learn more but everything you need to know.
01:05:26
One of the things, they are Fierce Fighters some of the best
01:05:30
in the world but and I you whose veiled if they pull their Veil
01:05:35
up over their face that's what you got to watch out.
01:05:39
You are gonna be okay. That's what we are.
01:05:41
That's what the, what is the term for him?
01:05:46
He's a gleaming that's I can't I couldn't think of it.
01:05:48
But yeah, that's what he felt mad.
01:05:50
He was like it fellas up. That's when you have to worry.
01:05:55
Yeah. When the Villas down the rear
01:05:57
piece, The I reasons, okay. Which would be a spoiler.
01:06:03
Oh, okay. Yes they are.
01:06:07
They don't care for weapons of in the spirit because they don't
01:06:11
consider the Spear of. They're very defensive and
01:06:14
posture, not necessarily offensive imposter.
01:06:19
But if they need to be, they will defend their life and their
01:06:23
water to the depth, and they have red hair like rant.
01:06:29
I'm sorry, you know where I'm going to be pink and they take
01:06:32
Oaths very seriously here and there like Rand had to make that
01:06:42
distinction, huh? With in Toms sake, don't see
01:06:50
that you don't see this kind of hair outside of whatever.
01:06:56
Yeah, okay. So okay Lori.
01:06:58
You did it. You have to give your theory
01:07:00
now. He's one of them.
01:07:03
He is one of that people and I'm going to say that something is
01:07:09
going to be revealed that he has.
01:07:11
Definitely one of them. He's not from the village and
01:07:14
that something happened with him that caused him to be at the two
01:07:17
rivers. And he's actually a long laws
01:07:20
dead Prince princeling are that's my theory.
01:07:24
He's a long-lost, dead princeling.
01:07:27
No, no, I said well, he's a longhorn did King.
01:07:31
There you go. That's my theory.
01:07:36
Okay. Okay NASA.
01:07:40
So. So let's go.
01:07:43
First, I you were which we haven't, which we haven't heard
01:07:46
about, which will see part of later but for sale War happened
01:07:50
because an oath was broken by one of the Kings.
01:07:54
Oh and so be at you all the there 12 yeah they're 12 Clans
01:08:01
they all got together. Came over this by and proceeded
01:08:07
to try to kill, Matt King. And that was the first day of
01:08:10
War. Well, okay, accomplish the goal
01:08:14
and we're back. Oh, okay, give the job done.
01:08:17
Go home. All right.
01:08:18
Hey, how's it going? No one wants to fight them
01:08:21
face-to-face. Not even, not.
01:08:23
Even the be talk about blade Masters.
01:08:28
Who are the best? Swordsman They say they don't
01:08:31
want none of that, they don't want the heat will do well.
01:08:37
I mean, the honestly you'll see later if you don't want that.
01:08:42
Okay, so okay, I'm gonna bring this up since Lori put out her
01:08:47
little Theory and of course we know that R and is possibly the
01:08:51
dragon reborn. I think he probably is like I
01:08:54
said it's either him or Matt in my mind.
01:08:59
But if He is an IL and if he is the dragon reborn is that going
01:09:06
to be like good chaotic or bad chaotic in your opinion?
01:09:11
My opinion. Hmm, both.
01:09:14
Oh okay, both because we haven't even gotten to the good stuff
01:09:21
yet. Okay, well yeah, yeah.
01:09:24
And since right about ran in this episode you mentioned the
01:09:29
door earlier. Mmm, you think that door down?
01:09:32
What else? What else did you notice that he
01:09:35
did in the episode? Well, I see all those fucking
01:09:40
Boggs. He split.
01:09:42
Yes, and my man didn't even break a sweat then that light he
01:09:46
was. But you know I didn't even think
01:09:48
about that as being unusual because as Matt said when he
01:09:52
kind of you know quickly bowed out of that Shore, he was like
01:09:56
Max was me. He'll have that done in no time
01:09:59
so I just thought it was something he was used to doing
01:10:02
but now that you say it like that that was a lot of damn
01:10:05
wood. Yeah.
01:10:06
There would. A lot.
01:10:10
But yeah, I noticed that when he, you know, when he started
01:10:13
running up against the door, you know, it shakes a little bit and
01:10:16
she was like, I know you're not going to.
01:10:18
Why do you think I chose to bring you in here because you
01:10:20
can't break that door down? And it's like, as soon as she
01:10:24
said you can't boom, boom. And you could actually see the
01:10:28
waves of power come off the door right before he knocked down.
01:10:33
And even she looked at it like oh oh oh shit.
01:10:36
Like this was not, what was Most to happen with and she's a timid
01:10:40
at that point in me, and your size could knock that door down,
01:10:44
okay? One man his size did and this is
01:10:49
still the person you wanted to hold at knifepoint and then tell
01:10:53
him, look I already called the phase but they're coming for you
01:10:57
and I'm going to be the one who turns you.
01:11:01
I started to say, bitch, have you never watch TV before your
01:11:04
life and seeing that? Anytime somebody says, I'm gonna
01:11:07
get the glory, I I'm gonna do this of live.
01:11:09
Are the ones that end up dead and like you said when we were,
01:11:15
you know, we were dealing with technical difficulties when that
01:11:19
sword came through her neck. I didn't see it from behind the
01:11:22
first time, but the second time, you can actually see it flying
01:11:26
through the air right before it gets to her neck.
01:11:28
I was like, oh, that's actually a cool shot.
01:11:31
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's, uh, she made.
01:11:34
I'm sorry. I'm saying, she made.
01:11:37
She made the She made the, you know, the mistake that all all
01:11:41
bad guys make that she started monologuing like soon as you
01:11:44
start bomb logging don't listen do like and second of all and
01:11:49
second of all, how the hell she called them?
01:11:53
Call who? The phase in their dreams.
01:11:58
Yeah. And it dries, remember he beat
01:12:02
the dark one was sending her images of the five of them.
01:12:07
So yeah, there's this house, I think, I think, I think she just
01:12:13
had one too many crusty guys, flirting with her and shit and
01:12:17
she lost her. Damn mind.
01:12:19
She's like Well, my sense because she wasn't saying, oh
01:12:32
yeah, you guys are the dragon reborn and you're going to
01:12:35
destroy the world and that's what I want.
01:12:37
You know, how you have all these evil minions, when they're
01:12:40
flocking to the bad guy. They're like, oh, he's going to
01:12:42
make this better for us. But the better is literally
01:12:46
worse for everybody. She was like, you're supposed to
01:12:50
Help fix things every time people coming to the bar.
01:12:55
They talk about war, they talk about famine.
01:12:58
They talk about this that, you know, all this bad stuff
01:13:01
happening. The the dragon reborn is going
01:13:04
to fix that. So in that sense, I can
01:13:07
understand, but I'm sorry. You're talking about someone
01:13:11
saving the world, but the term for what you are, is dark
01:13:15
friend. Now that does not compute does
01:13:18
not compute that Go together. No, how do you know, say the
01:13:24
world. But you're called a dark friend.
01:13:26
You just pop this, these people are supposed to save the world
01:13:29
but the person that you that you summon is either the dark one or
01:13:34
a fade. There is nothing positive about
01:13:37
a fade unless it's on your head and it's done correctly.
01:13:54
My audio books, I've been, you know, organizing and I'm coming
01:13:58
across a theme of some of my books and I was wondering if we
01:14:02
have this in this book series, are there any other following
01:14:05
nod your head once for yes two times for no.
01:14:09
Are there any Fallen gods or any Gods from other Realms walking
01:14:13
around? Okay.
01:14:17
All right now that just thought I'd ask you're good uncle.
01:14:24
Yeah, I was covering my eyes so that's not that's not this type
01:14:28
of damage is okay because I because I like I said I'm going
01:14:42
through so much stuff and I noticed about four or five of
01:14:45
the series to the Of a pissed-off.
01:14:47
God shows up again or comes from the outer realm.
01:14:51
Yeah. No that would make things
01:14:53
interesting. No, the the this Creator he he
01:15:00
created the will and will does what it does.
01:15:03
And will tries to fix herself by doing things.
01:15:08
So the Creator's not necessarily doing all of these things, but
01:15:12
will is trying to fix itself. Okay, real Wills as will I'll
01:15:16
Wheels. Which, you know, the concept of
01:15:19
events. I said, I'm only two books in
01:15:26
2013, 14 book, think. So I have a ways to go, but I'm
01:15:31
intrigued because the beginning of the great hunt, the first
01:15:34
opening chapter has me going, oh, you know, because, you know,
01:15:37
I want these people who I'll get bored, I'll pull out, you know,
01:15:40
a piece of paper and I'll start right now.
01:15:42
Yo yo your charts and stuff trying to feel piece it
01:15:45
together. Reincarnation is a very
01:15:48
important thing in this world that's what the wheel does,
01:15:53
right? Are we have the dragon reborn?
01:15:57
Yeah and I would assume that in addition to people objects and
01:16:00
things that keep reincarnated Concepts ideas, also get
01:16:04
reincarnated. So yeah, like that should be.
01:16:07
Yeah. I mean, if you think about it
01:16:13
with the Tinkers, you know, you said they probably don't
01:16:16
remember what their original purpose was.
01:16:19
But some of the stuff I've been doing, I mean, I kind of get
01:16:22
that with Lord saying like the ideas that kind of, you know,
01:16:27
they kind of are reborn as well. Yeah, I mean, there are again,
01:16:32
3 years. There are powers that have been
01:16:36
lost. There are because they haven't
01:16:39
been Ben, this sounds kind of crude, but since they've been
01:16:43
offering the men who can channel the kind of being your genetic
01:16:47
diversity. That's why I survived are weaker
01:16:51
and weaker and weaker, because they're not, they're not
01:16:56
creating stronger children because then that, you know,
01:16:59
maybe with males, who can channel.
01:17:02
So, yeah, so you're getting a lot of the wheel is trying to
01:17:08
really fix himself. It's going to spin out more
01:17:13
powerful individuals. Then necessary to try to fix
01:17:18
itself. I could see that happening
01:17:21
because, you know, I didn't think about the genetic but
01:17:23
you're right because if you cut off a different sire lines and
01:17:28
just use it as a general term, yeah, I can see that the one to
01:17:32
reach the do a hard reset because, you know, there has to
01:17:35
be somebody who is particularly strong or gifted in one area
01:17:40
that you're going to need down the line for something that may
01:17:44
be coming up or being be. Rewarding it IE some I used to
01:17:47
be a very powerful Fire Starter because you're going to have to
01:17:50
need it in the battle 20 years down the road so they have to be
01:17:53
born with you kill. Dad, they're never born.
01:17:56
Yeah. So they compensate by having
01:17:58
someone who can control wind as an opposite effect or you just
01:18:04
spin out someone who controls everything you can put all in
01:18:11
one person or two people or three people as opposed to
01:18:14
spreading it. Doubt over 20 or 30, right?
01:18:17
Yeah, right, yeah. So this is going to be fun
01:18:22
times. I'm looking forward to see how
01:18:24
they're going to do this. But yeah, the dragon reborn is
01:18:29
going to be powerful bit. There are, there are things that
01:18:33
have been lost. That have to come back in order
01:18:38
for them to win this war. The final battle is coming.
01:18:46
Okay. Let's see.
01:18:49
Is there anything else we need to talk about for this episode?
01:18:53
Let me look at my notes except for the fact that, when when
01:18:58
land Moraine and I'm not naive meet up with the other ice to
01:19:03
Die, the red eyes was what is her name?
01:19:08
Landrum Lee and hren she gives off a certain are like the
01:19:16
cancer perfectly take after perfectly.
01:19:20
See yes, it's like I don't know what to say about her but she
01:19:28
gives off a certain air but They have apparently captured this
01:19:36
guy who claims that he is the dragon reborn.
01:19:40
So that's going to be interesting little game hablar.
01:19:43
Yes. Are these names?
01:19:46
Were they killing me again? Yes.
01:19:53
But they're not. Normal means nine Eve.
01:19:58
Like how the cookie saying that knave?
01:20:01
Yeah, I know and I know Kind of correct myself.
01:20:04
My name is difficult because their names egwene and they gave
01:20:08
me, you know? More more with it more rain,
01:20:14
which I guess is halfway normal. Let's see.
01:20:16
More rain, I went and Drew rein actually looks like the way it's
01:20:21
spelled egwene. Even looks like the way it's
01:20:25
spelled for me nine. A nine Eve.
01:20:29
Her name is NY Nae. That's Nate's to me when you
01:20:35
read it, at least the way that, you know, we've been taught.
01:20:37
So, it's just where I'll get it because I'm one of those Sighs.
01:20:41
I'm very particular about pronouncing people's names
01:20:45
right? Because people fuck my name up
01:20:48
all the time so yeah, I'll get it.
01:20:51
No game is interesting. Like Landrieu says, she tells
01:20:55
mom Moraine. Oh yeah, he's running around
01:20:59
calling himself the dragon reborn.
01:21:02
My he had in it. All right, and you know what?
01:21:05
Kind of heat that brings. So what kind of person does he
01:21:08
have to be to be running around? Right?
01:21:13
We don't learn some interesting things about him, okay?
01:21:19
I think, I think we cover pretty much most of it.
01:21:22
Y'all have any final thoughts about this episode.
01:21:24
My we just come on my, you push through.
01:21:27
I know, I know you're trying to get through episode 4 and it's
01:21:30
hard, but I guarantee you that back half of that episode is so
01:21:35
fucking worth it. I'm just, I don't know, you
01:21:40
know, opening. And I always Talk about
01:21:43
sometimes with new series, You Gotta Give it three or four
01:21:46
episodes before it really starts like kicking kicking, some dirt,
01:21:52
you have to do this with this series, because, yes, the first
01:21:55
three episodes are kind of slow. They do kind of build the
01:21:59
character stores and everything, but I'm telling you that fourth
01:22:01
episode from that, fourth episode on this like, whoa,
01:22:06
whoa, you got to get that fourth episode, their fourth episode.
01:22:11
You going to be on the next. Never let me tell you.
01:22:14
Yeah, it's, it's a pretty. Yeah, just push through brother,
01:22:21
push through. I'm gonna push through on
01:22:24
cuddling cuz you cuz you said I needed to, I'm gonna try.
01:22:28
Well, I'm sorry. I'm no quitter episode 5.
01:22:32
This is wrong. Yeah, I have some thoughts on
01:22:37
episode five. So yeah, we'll talk about that
01:22:42
when we get. Get to it but I guess for
01:22:43
episode 3, that's it for our show.
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