#wheeloftime The gang from the Two Rivers continue to lead the Trollocs away from home. Eamon Valda and the White Cloaks hunt down the Aes Sedai. Moraine's life is in jeopardy as her wound gets worse. The group finds shelter in an abandoned city, but safety is fleeting.
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Was a pirate. Welcome back to another episode
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of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with
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Anthony Lori and Mike, we are discussing today.
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The second episode of The Wheel of Time series before we get
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before we started with the episodes.
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So let's get into it episode 2. Um, I washed it right before we
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started recording today because it had been a minute and I was
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trying to remember, I was like so what was the second episode
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about? And then that damn white cloak
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showed up in the first part of the episode and I was like, oh,
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we got to start with this hateful ass.
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Oh, my God. God valda.
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Anthony. Give us some background on him
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because oh, he's like one of those characters where you meet
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him and in the first five minutes, you're like, oh, this
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dude needs to die, a horrible. Horrible death.
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Amen. Amen.
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Valda is Lord. Captain commit.
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Well, he's not Lord. Captain Commander.
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He's like a high Inquisitor. Mmm.
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The white cloaks are pretty much like a fundamentalist terrorist
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organization with the red clothes from cursed.
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Basically. Yes.
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They really are. Yeah, they be be despised.
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I said I involved that he takes that to an extreme where if it
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was up to him, he would wipe out all the ice that he would burn,
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tar, valon to the ground and just be done with anyone who
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could Channel. Like for the white cloaks
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channeling is something that was given to them, is something that
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belongs to the Creator and only the Creator should be able to do
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it. And when those he's doing it,
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his Blasphemous so they should be all destroyed and he takes
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this to to an extreme. I was going to ask because the
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way he comes across as beginning of this episode, like he has one
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of the I stood, I tied up to a steak.
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He's cut off both of her hands. He's removed her ring and placed
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it on the belt with several other Rings Simon.
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Some of this. She's not the first I see that
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he's caught and thank you. That first scene tells you
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everything you need to know about bother.
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Oh my God. Bless you, everything.
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Even to the point where he's eating, I think that's a little
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bird and he's like, yeah, it cuts the corners of your mouth
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just enough to where it doesn't hurt but you bleed and enhances
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the flavor of the. Yeah.
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That's, he's He's terrible. I was like dude what happened to
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you like who you want to take my life?
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Who hurt you baby, who hurt you or you?
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You know it was like one of those things I was trying to
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figure out like is he jealous? Because he can't Channel.
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And is that why he's so adamant about or is he just that hateful
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in general? Well you know what happens to
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people who are sociopaths and Psychopaths they get into an
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organization like Like this and they become zealots and they
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take that psychopathy and and those issues they have any
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challenge through what they're doing and that's what he does.
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So in the book is not real clear, what his motivations are,
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but we just know that he is, he considers himself like the ideal
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white cloak, he is the ideal white cookies, also blademaster,
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which they don't talk about this in the streets.
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But he is also very Be very good with the sword.
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It's not the one that's in the beginning of book two, I would
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have to, I would have to look they have a meeting at the
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beginning of the book. I have to work.
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It's been too long so I haven't I'm only halfway through book
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one so I don't know. See I cheat.
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I do audiobooks. But when you see him in this
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scene and the way that he's acting and just talking to his
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calm voice, and I think what makes him even more creepy for
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me is that he's doing all of this with the smile.
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Like he's genuinely enjoying this and you know who he, he
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made me think of he made me think of Dolores Umbridge like
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he is a more extreme version of Dolores Umbridge because
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Dolores. Wow.
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While she was a little bit sadistic, she never actually
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killed anyone and she really thought that she was right.
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Do I what she was doing? That we know of that, we know
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that that is true that we know of she's actually one of my evil
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and more evil and more righteous.
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Awful awful of evil evil yet lovable it.
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Awful evil neutral. Yeah, Dad do is so extreme.
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But because he's really is he'd be have a code, they follows the
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code, he has rules but he's just a little bit evil and if these
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two okay so we're not going to order because I got to talk
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about him. So later on in the episode when
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they come across when the white coats come across Moraine and
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you know Randon all of them and he gets you know he gets to the
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point where he has to question or inspect her to make sure
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she's not. I see By the fact that he walks
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around and he just starts touching her to, like, I don't
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know what he's looking for. Like I know he looked at her
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hands to see if she had the ring, but I don't know what
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other physical characteristics. I said, I have that made him
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like, he's rubbing on her back. Like he's trying to feel full
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horns coming out of her back or something, but before I even
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could say it out loud watching and my you, I'm watching this by
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myself. No, one else is with me, but I'm
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I came to myself while I'm watching this and I'm like, hey
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got some nerve and then land says the things, you know about
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what I'm from the Borderlands where we understand that you
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don't touch a woman without permission unless you want to
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lose your hands or something like that.
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And I was like, oh okay, so it's not just me like he's just
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literally molesting Moraine, trying to find whatever he's
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trying to find out, he's just touching her and he's talking
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and he's he's talking. In that threatening
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non-threatening way. Like he's talking about what
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they do to I said die or you know, the the I guess the sinful
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nature of I said, I or whatever. I can't remember his exact
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verbiage but he's doing this. And he's walking around, he's
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feeling I Moran and just touching her.
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And when you doing this sniffing her and it was gonna bother
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Hanukkah. This is dude, I mean I
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understand you're trying to But low profile because you don't
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want him to think your eyes to die.
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And you don't want him to think about these, you know, these
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kids who may have the power to channel.
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But oh my God, that bother me so much.
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Like why the fuck are you touching her?
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And you can ask your questions. You don't have to.
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Why are you touching her? Like she's not.
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Oh, that bothered me. So he lives in the personal
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spaces. He's you don't get killed.
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I'm watching it. I'm watching it now.
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And it's like, Like he is like and land is trying not to cut
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both his arms off. Yes it's like if you don't get
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your mother-fucking hands. Yes yeah.
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He's a huge. He was really creepy.
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Shit. He's very righteous in his
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beliefs. Oh my goodness and he just I
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don't I know that you know we're doing this episode by episode
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but I've already you know watch the full season and even there's
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I think Okay. But there's 11 episode later on
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where he's kind of the same way but in a more aggressive I was
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just like, dude just somebody needs to just like Aggressive
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than this. I mean I'm sorry but he's a he
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look certain people need to realize and I know I'm saying
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this out of context tongue-in-cheek yes 1985 and it
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gets worse so buzz off. He's just one of those
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characters like from the moment he's on the screen.
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First of all I'm just looking at him like oh okay.
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I mean thinking about his character side.
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I'm like okay, look at him, nice try Chocolate black man in this
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all white outfit like he looks good.
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Then he opened his mouth and I was like he didn't know but you
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know I have seen in conversation in the last couple of months
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where you know people were talking about the fact that we
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don't get any really complex or delicious like black evil
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characters, like they're always kind of they're not like That
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grand scope of evil before our black characters and and, you
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know, people like we need like more evil black characters.
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We need them to fill those spaces in the show that they
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have that complexity and that what?
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Okay, okay. Y'all ask for it and you got it
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because this dude right here, From the moment he got on the
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screen I was like, oh, okay. And then I was like, oh wait.
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Oh no. Hmm in Spades.
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Pardon the pun. He's even of course he's killed.
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I think, I don't know that it was like five or six.
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Maybe seven sevens. Not seven.
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I think Mariah meringue said it when they were Arresting the
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horses, she said tool. And she said, she said, did you
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see my? Did you see my sister's Rings?
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Seven of them now. So that means that there's one
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IC die that's out there in the world that or unless unless
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they're counting her. But I don't I don't know if they
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count her because never mind that that goes into something
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from later on episode. But yeah, so I mean he almost
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got her Luckily, she's a good. I can't say liar, because she
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kind of specifies that in this episode that she does not lie.
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She always tells him to, no, she cannot.
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Yeah, she cannot lie. The oath Rod makes it physically
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impossible for them to lie. Hmm, when you become truth, They
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were over West. I mean she just looked out a lot
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of shit just like she's waiting for a selected.
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What? She said that's more key.
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Is he's very selective in what she says and how she says it, we
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can't even really twist the truth.
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Yeah, well yeah. I meant she, she has a way to
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work that. Like, yeah, but what she says in
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the episode she says, she said, words are important and how we
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use them is important. And we've actually said this,
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something similar talking about a couple of other A shows where,
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you know, some a character will say something.
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And it's kind of like, well, that's technically not alive
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because of the way that they said, it's like you always have
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to wash the way you say things because you can say things and
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make people think one thing when you mean another but it's just
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the content. It's just the way that you say
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it. The way you construct your
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sentences and how creative you can be with your speech.
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And she does that. If you think about the way that
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she answered everything, like you Might she doesn't tell a
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lie, she told the truth. And even when egwene says
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something to her she was like, will you lie back there?
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She was like, did I? She was like an egg Wayne said,
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well, you do you really have a sister and she was like, all I
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said I are my sisters and you know, she says, certain things.
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She was like, just pay attention and I was like, okay because she
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says she's a lady from a fallen house.
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Hmm. It's we don't know a lot about
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it characters, but yes. He is from a falling out.
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Okay, so that was a true. She tells you a lot with that,
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but if you're paying attention, Mmm.
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Yeah. You could hear, was he saying,
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but he's more concerned with, trying to find out if she's not.
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So that is not right, like a square house or, you know, where
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you from where you going, right? You didn't ask very specific
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questions, right? Because I would think, okay?
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Given what we know about the Aisa died so far, it's only been
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2. Episodes, but we know that, you
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know, all the I said I are women, we know that they have
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Waters which are, is it that they all are men or that,
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they're mostly men because we haven't seen too much of the
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okay, their monthly ma'am. Okay, thank you.
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So and then of course, she's got these younger people which
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probably wouldn't Mean, much to him in the scheme of things, but
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to see her and the way she's dressed and then to seal.
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And I would think that if you are familiar with how the I
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said, I work and how they operate that.
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You see this woman, you see this man traveling, that might be a
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clue. But yeah, and and he could have
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just asked her, are you? I said that.
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And she would have had to giving me giving it, but the thing is
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he doesn't the the white cloaks don't truly try to understand.
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I said I so even if you told him that they take Oaths not to
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tell. Will I he wouldn't believe it.
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Yeah. He say they're gonna lie anyway.
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Yeah why would I believe that that's--that is a Surface
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purpose, right? Even if she's even The Esther,
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he knows, he knows he's not going to ask because he knows
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she's going to lie, that's his perspective, right?
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So he tries to go about the different way, so the other
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question in Europe and be creepy ship.
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Right, right. Right.
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So, the other question I have is, and I guess this probably is
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self explanatory or kind of obvious, but I'm assuming, if
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he's killed all of those eyes to die, chances are he's killed
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their Waters to because the waters are there too.
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Protect them correct. Yes.
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So chances are he's killed them to in his pursuit of killing.
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I said, I yes, and does he just kill the I said, I outrider
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like, is there a, is there like a trial that he does for them or
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or does he just questioned them for information and then just
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this is go with the show depiction of him?
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Okay, he ties them up on this stage and ask them questions and
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then he burns. To having him.
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He's a lovely guy on top of everything else.
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Okay, yeah, his goal is to eliminate Isis guy from the
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world like we're are, where are the rest of you?
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Like where can I find more of you?
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Okay, you're not going to answer what?
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I don't have John and once again I said they don't talk about
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this but he is a blade Master, there aren't a whole lot of
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them. And there are very few Warriors,
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who would be able to, if Other than the fact that he has
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numbers, like he can overwhelm, they could overwhelm a Warder
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easily, with their numbers. It will be very difficult.
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He lose a lot. But chances are being a blade
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Master. He probably did it himself,
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okay? Because there aren't many that
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could, that could go toe-to-toe with oh.
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Okay. This or but they don't make that
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clear in the shower, okay. The variables in the student
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observation that he would have had to go through a lot of
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orders to kill come on. Chances are let me think about
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it. Any of those rings.
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I don't think it was Rings were red.
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Because I don't think a red sister will let any man get that
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close to them, right. And the rest is just don't have
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Waters correct? No they don't.
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Okay. Okay so yeah, I just I just
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happened to think about it because if you think about it
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with the way Moraine and land are even with just the four and
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I'm going to keep calling them kids because they're younger
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than the, than the rest of them. But like every time ran says
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something against Moran, or he raised his voice land, Is all up
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in his face. Like what you want to do, what
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you want to do. So it just got me to thinking
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that in order for vauban to get that close to a sister, he had
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to go through their water. So it just, you know, I was just
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wondering about that. Like, huh?
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So he's been doing a lot of killing just to get to these
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girls or just to get to these women.
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Yeah. Mmm.
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Okay, so yeah valda. He's just he's just all out
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creepy. I just had to get that out the
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way since he was the first one in the episode anyway but I was
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like let's just get him out the way because I don't want to talk
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about him, the rest of the show. He's just so creepy and he's so
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evil. And he does it with a smile.
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And I'm just like he's going to be one of those characters
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that's going to be around for a while because he's just that
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evil like Right now, and now we can't.
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And also we want to be mindful of applying him to the rest of
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the white cloaks because not all the white cloaks are like him.
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They Hayden appear that way. Yeah, they had some of the
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beliefs but you know they do want to eliminate isil that but
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they're not crew like kids. Okay.
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Yeah I kind of noticed that even with the with the white clothes
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when they came across the white clothes during their travel and
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I guess it was the the other guy who was in Actually one who
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actually, would you please step off your horses?
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And, you know, the way that he talked to them, and, you know,
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Marie has her wound from the trollops and you know she was
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doing her best to not say anything about it, but when
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valda pushed into her shoulder, she couldn't help but have a
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reaction because of how much pain she's in.
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And when she's telling them about the attack, you know, of
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course she doesn't use the word trial if she just says, it was a
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beast and it had like a mouth, like, A cab or and then that guy
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says, would you mind showing me your wound?
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You know, it was like it was such a contrast between him and
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valda where the valda was just touching her, just whatever.
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And this dude was like, would you mind showing it to his like
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he didn't even approached her to look at it himself?
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He asked her permission, you know, he basically acknowledged
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her agency and it was just like, okay, so all white cloaks they
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may They may be, as you say zealots or they may have these
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beliefs but not all of them are assholes like valda.
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Okay. Noted most of them are but now.
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Well, this particular gentleman apparently was not, but maybe
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it's just, I don't know. Maybe it's just the
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questionnaires to because valda makes it very clear when they
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are about to split what, you know, part ways you know, the
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he's going to take the questioners to, I guess go look
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for more ice. To die and they're going to
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continue on their Journey. He says, something about your
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purposes are different from ours.
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We have a, we have a different purpose to questioners have a
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different purpose. And I was like, the way that he
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said it to that guy was like, yes, we all have our mission but
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you go on your Merry Little way. We have more important things to
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do. It was almost like one of those.
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He was like well my job is more important than yours.
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Like we do more important work. And I was just like, okay, he's
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one of those types. Yes, one of those.
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I'm a guy was Gia from born hauled.
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Who's one of the Lord captains. So he's one of the guys in
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charge, okay? But, but Bob is still made it
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seem like yeah, you're in charge.
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But I'm more important than you go.
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Along your journey. We're going to go do what we're
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supposed to do. Yeah.
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He definitely had a father douchebag five about him.
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Looks like you got another one of these.
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Yeah, it was Mmm very much so. So I um, and you know, we talk
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about this all the time, how, you know, a lot of fantasy, they
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follow the same tropes, they have like the same types of
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characters. I really did have.
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I was comparing it to curse because it was just kind of one
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of those. I was like, oh, he's like the
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red cloaks. Oh, that's like you said, my
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father douchebag that that's him.
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So I'm like really is. Okay.
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Yeah, he's going to be one of those characters that gets on my
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nerves. In this series but he's probably
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also going to be very important and in terms of pushing the
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story along but I was like, oh this dude just he could have
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been. Okay, but the thing that made me
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say no, he has to die right now. Him putting his hands all over
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Moraine. I was like, no, no, no.
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He's gotta go, he's gotta go. But anyway, let's let's move on
00:22:57
from him because well anyway so let's get back to the quote
00:23:02
unquote kids. You have Randy Gwen pairing and
00:23:06
Matt on the run with marine and land and they're basically they
00:23:11
are trying to lead the trollope's, one away from their
00:23:14
Village so that they don't kill anybody else there.
00:23:17
But also Moraine is kind of giving them bits and pieces of
00:23:23
what she thinks. She knows about them as far as
00:23:28
their relation to or the fact that they may be the dragon
00:23:31
reborn and she's giving them just enough information to keep
00:23:36
them against to keep them following her as she tries to
00:23:42
me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:47
For everybody except for ran like Rand has like, no, you
00:23:50
ain't giving us enough information.
00:23:52
Where are we going? Why are we going there with?
00:23:54
Makes you think? I mean, he's like he's
00:23:59
questioning everything. This laurynas, many Ranch, I
00:24:08
read science fiction, I read science fiction, fantasy ninety,
00:24:13
seven point, nine nine, nine of all these books, they start out
00:24:17
in the village, The Tavern to school, whatever.
00:24:19
The adults. Don't tell the kids yet.
00:24:23
Newsflash. If you would tell the kid,
00:24:25
what's Poppin, you might not have XYZ downline in the ranch
00:24:30
Dumbledore. Yeah, exactly.
00:24:33
I mean, you have a point, I mean thinking about we just had this
00:24:39
discussion a couple of days ago, we just talked about Harry
00:24:41
Potter because of the 20th anniversary, if you think about
00:24:46
Harry Potter and his journey and Dumbledore Dumbledore, I could
00:24:50
have told him at the beginning. And it would have eliminated
00:24:54
half the shit here. We had nothing?
00:24:56
Yes, that's that's a whole other conversation, what?
00:24:59
But yeah, barks you what we're discussing right now, just tell
00:25:03
the kids, what's going on or lying or at least give him the
00:25:06
highlights. That's all I'm saying.
00:25:09
You like in in the Aragon Aragorn for Aragon series about
00:25:14
the dragon if they had just told him from the beginning,
00:25:19
everything a lot of pain and suffering could have been saved
00:25:22
for later. Yeah, dragonlance, if they would
00:25:25
have told them what was going on with the potatoes and
00:25:48
Bill graph, the sorcerer he told Gary on everything.
00:25:53
Like in the beginning he said this is who you are.
00:25:56
This is what you're going to have to do and this is how we're
00:25:59
going to do it and it was so different to read where the old
00:26:05
sorcerer. Like from the beginning, told
00:26:07
him, everything like this is what you're supposed to do.
00:26:11
You have to kill a God and this is how we're going to do it.
00:26:14
Well, thank you. Devil tender Escape until tender
00:26:17
the beginning and it happened worked out.
00:26:20
I mean he'd be until the end or anything because remember the
00:26:23
Intel any of the kids. Anything that's right.
00:26:26
That's right. That's right, you're right?
00:26:28
Yeah you found out. I'm sorry scratch that when
00:26:29
you're telling me over and over. That's right.
00:26:35
That's right. I just I don't understand like
00:26:39
how and I Okay, so I'm thinking about this on two levels because
00:26:47
I'm thinking about it as they're not giving these people the
00:26:51
information because it's part of their character growth like it's
00:26:56
helping them to learn deductive reasoning and critical thinking
00:27:00
all of this stuff that you need. I understand that.
00:27:05
At the same time, this kind of like you can eliminate so much,
00:27:09
think about okay, I'm again, my my brain is stuck in Harry
00:27:12
Potter right now. Think about all the people who
00:27:14
died fighting Voldemort fighting especially like the final
00:27:19
battle, all of this stuff who didn't have to die.
00:27:22
If Dumbledore has said, hey yes, I told you about the horcruxes,
00:27:27
but let me tell you what they are.
00:27:28
Let me tell you how you can destroy them thinking about it.
00:27:31
You know, one of the clips that I've seen from Harry Potter and
00:27:35
Days was when they were trying to destroy the locket in the
00:27:38
woods and Ron says, Dumbledore sends you on this mission to
00:27:43
find the horcrux. But it doesn't tell you where
00:27:46
they are or how to destroy them. Like how the fuck is that
00:27:50
helpful? And you think about it with all
00:27:54
of these things that you guys have mentioned is like there
00:27:57
could have been yeah and yes I know it's part of the story.
00:28:01
It helps you know, move the story along and the store will
00:28:04
be a lot shorter if they knew. Ooh all the information but
00:28:06
still you're talking about lives.
00:28:09
You could do just a just just a little bit of information, can
00:28:13
go a long way, but then I start thinking about Infinity war, and
00:28:20
when dr. Strange was sitting there and he
00:28:22
was looking at all the different possibilities for how they can
00:28:25
defeat Thanos. And there was only one
00:28:28
possibility that would have worked.
00:28:30
And when Tony asked him about it, he basically was like I
00:28:35
can't tell you. Otherwise it may not happen is
00:28:38
like one of those things where it's where certain things have
00:28:41
to happen in a specific way, in order to come to this end
00:28:44
result, you know? Because think about it at that.
00:28:48
Point in time if dr. Strange would have said, you're
00:28:51
going to have to sacrifice your life in order to defeat Thanos.
00:28:54
Do we really think Tony would have done that?
00:28:57
I don't know if I think he would have done it by that that when
00:29:00
they want to try you want to try to figure out a different way to
00:29:04
make it work or try to figure out a different way to defeat
00:29:07
Thanos without him having to lose his life or without Natasha
00:29:12
If he if dr. Strange said, well, you and
00:29:14
Natasha we're have to lose your lives.
00:29:16
In order to defeat Thanos Tony would have been like I know
00:29:19
there's got to be another way so high.
00:29:23
It's like well mostly future reading future reading is really
00:29:27
weird that way those like in some stories like they'll tell
00:29:30
the person and the person will be like no that's not going to
00:29:33
happen but it is happening anyway because it's going to
00:29:36
because it's already foretold that is going to happen and then
00:29:39
there are the people who don't say any know what's going to
00:29:41
happen but don't say anything because like it's like it's not
00:29:44
like you said was strange is like, it might not happen.
00:29:47
So I want to take the chance Chance of me telling you you
00:29:49
being like, fuck this shit. I'm supposed to write here and
00:29:51
it's not going to happen so there, but it's like, I mean
00:29:54
sometimes. Yeah, I mean you just kind of
00:29:57
have to really depends on the story like like who's telling
00:30:01
the future and how and how they think if they think that it's a
00:30:06
it's an absolute Point. Like in what if like it's going
00:30:09
to happen regardless of whatever he does then it doesn't matter.
00:30:15
Yeah, vote for Harry Potter. I think we kind of learned
00:30:18
later. That Dumbledore was like, well I
00:30:21
really couldn't tell you everything because I wasn't sure
00:30:24
if your connection with Voldemort with both ways.
00:30:27
Like if I told you everything the golden work with now, hey,
00:30:31
yeah. I'm just I'm just, I'm just
00:30:34
throwing it out there and then give me like in Star Wars if
00:30:38
Obi-Wan had told Luke, will ya, Darth Vader, this sociopath
00:30:42
who's killing it. Everyone is your dad is?
00:30:45
Yeah, I don't I don't know how he would.
00:30:47
Take that right with a baby. Soften the blow later with Darth
00:30:51
Vader tells him but we would not have gotten that moment.
00:30:57
He's right. But back to the story at hand
00:31:01
Marine, didn't have, she didn't have to push a lot to give him
00:31:06
to come with her. She simply said the dark one
00:31:09
knows the same thing. I know that one of you is a
00:31:13
dragon Reborn And he's going to keep sending products to your
00:31:16
family until he kills you so you can have to leave now, if you
00:31:21
can stay if you want to, but they're going to keep coming and
00:31:24
everyone's going to be there everyone that you love.
00:31:27
Yeah. So she didn't have to tell them
00:31:30
anything because she told them just enough for them to know
00:31:34
that they had to go with her at least for protection to protect
00:31:37
their family ranking 1. They want to live come with me,
00:31:41
you know, while you're there. By the way,
00:32:02
living with people that I've known all my life.
00:32:04
I'm talking about personal experience would come up to me
00:32:08
and say you need to leave town because Ex-Wives he's going to
00:32:12
kill everyone in the He'll because you're in a town, I
00:32:15
would have gone with them but I would have said, okay before we
00:32:18
leave answer to this question is question, this question, let me
00:32:22
go get my grandfather's rifle. Okay well answer this question
00:32:25
and now we can go I've want a little bit more information on
00:32:29
why heavily count. I mean these are kids that have
00:32:34
literally never been off the mountain before it is difficult
00:32:38
when she says look up there. Yeah, and I know that in that
00:32:53
little tiny little village, somebody has a Cellar where they
00:32:56
can hide. Somebody knows way to escape to
00:32:59
the would, I mean, come on, the kids could have hit.
00:33:02
I mean, you know, I would, I would think that if magic wasn't
00:33:09
involved, but but considering the fact that these kids are
00:33:13
being Out because, yeah, they can possibly Channel.
00:33:17
I'm assuming that the trolleys or the Fades, like the one we
00:33:22
saw in this episode, I'm assuming they can probably feel
00:33:26
that power, no matter how minut it might be.
00:33:29
So, I think, in that case, there really would not be a way for
00:33:34
them to just sit there and hide Because, unless they know what a
00:33:38
way to mask that power to mass being detected, there's just no
00:33:43
way That that can happen. I don't think okay.
00:33:46
Yeah, I want to, I want to interject something, it's not a
00:33:49
spoiler, but Miranda about to say is not a theory marine
00:33:55
marine. It's a bit.
00:33:56
The four of them were to variant.
00:33:59
We don't give the explanation of with to viren Art.
00:34:02
Hmm, when the Creator created the wheel, he also had either
00:34:08
other things happened, basically, whenever something
00:34:11
kind of is off in the will, or is Not functioning properly, the
00:34:16
crane will spin out at revering that person will bend the wheel
00:34:20
back to where it needs to be. Okay, now it is very rare for
00:34:26
there to be 42 variant in the same place at the same time,
00:34:31
okay? In the book, only three of them,
00:34:34
a terrarium. I'm not going to take you before
00:34:36
person who wasn't supposed to be, but they made this person.
00:34:39
That's a variant for purpose of the show, which is perfectly
00:34:41
fine. That is separate from being able
00:34:44
to channel, not all to Varian can Channel, okay?
00:34:49
And that all channel is Art appearance.
00:34:51
Okay? Thank you for clearing that up.
00:34:53
Okay, has a specific person design to make sure everything
00:35:00
stays on path. Whenever the dark one screw
00:35:03
something up in the wheel after variant is spun out to put it
00:35:06
back on track. I have a question because I'm
00:35:09
reading the books right now. How do People recognize one of
00:35:15
them and do they instinctively know that they are.
00:35:21
Okay. So to answer that question there
00:35:26
are they can be people who can be sensitive to the pool.
00:35:32
They call it the pool of the tahrir.
00:35:33
Mm-hmm to Veterans can feel that pool with each other, and that
00:35:40
is something that I don't know if we're going to get him this.
00:35:42
So bit in the book, they are very aware of how the more they
00:35:49
learn about being a civilian. They are very aware of where
00:35:52
it's over. I yeah, I have visions of each
00:35:56
other, right? They can kind of feel each other
00:35:59
see each others energy energy like they can feel the proximity
00:36:04
to each other. It's not like a bond, right?
00:36:06
But baby it's almost like a gravitational pull.
00:36:10
Okay. But you're not answering.
00:36:11
My question. Can do they go or not?
00:36:12
The other people, you got the The Dark One.
00:36:19
Well, the dark one can feel it. He knows because they are
00:36:24
actively always engaged with changing and altering the wheel.
00:36:28
So, it's subconscious. But what my question was, she
00:36:32
tells them that they're that. How does she does?
00:36:36
She know? Because she's I said die, is it?
00:36:39
You just walk down the street and all of a sudden, you know,
00:36:42
it's like Fine, catch up. How do they know that these
00:36:45
people are to various other people?
00:36:48
Not them if I remember correctly.
00:36:52
See didn't really know in the books so I don't know how
00:36:56
they're going to explain that in the show.
00:36:58
Okay, that I'm so sorry to press you, but I'm in a I'm a I'm a
00:37:02
third of book 2 and I got some questions.
00:37:04
So so she she knew it seemed like in the show that she kind
00:37:11
of asked she encounter each one of them in the village is almost
00:37:16
like, I felt like she sensed the one power in them or the
00:37:21
potential for that to be in them because at first when they first
00:37:25
get to the village and Lan is asking her, she was like, I
00:37:28
don't know. And then it's like a, she sees
00:37:32
them. I feel like she's kind of drawn
00:37:34
to them to the point where she knows that it's them.
00:37:37
And then thinking about what you just said Anthony about the fact
00:37:41
that they can kind of sense each other and it's like a pool
00:37:44
towards each other. Even if they didn't know, they
00:37:47
were to Vern, maybe that explains why Those particular
00:37:52
four have such a close Bond like even though I'm not sure if
00:37:57
they're at many other people in the village that are around that
00:38:00
same age but it's very clear they're all best friends they're
00:38:04
all very closely knit with each other they're very protective of
00:38:08
each other. It's kind of like you know aside
00:38:11
from Randy Gwen. It almost feels like there is
00:38:14
like a familial bond between all of them and of course that could
00:38:18
possibly just be from them growing up in the same.
00:38:21
Village all of their lives, but they seem to have a particularly
00:38:25
close Bond if they, if you can and she wouldn't okay.
00:38:28
The thing about the blue Asia is there, I think it was before
00:38:33
they're like the CIA to die. They have a spy Network, they
00:38:38
have ways of using information. So one of the things that she
00:38:44
knows she knows the exact age of the Dragon reborn.
00:38:50
So Once he, she got that, and she got the information on the
00:38:55
kids in that area, because she's been looking for 20 years, mmm,
00:39:00
trying to find the dragon reborn.
00:39:04
And so, it didn't take her long to figure out there.
00:39:08
Something different about these individuals.
00:39:12
There's something special about them.
00:39:16
The thing is, women cannot sense, the 1 power, In men.
00:39:24
No, not since then one power in them.
00:39:27
You cannot see them. Weep.
00:39:29
I don't know if they're going to do this in the show, but in the
00:39:30
book, they cannot see man channel.
00:39:33
They cannot feel them Channel or anything.
00:39:36
Yeah. You mentioned that last time.
00:39:38
Yeah. So she wasn't like she sense
00:39:41
that they have the 1 power but based on her research and her
00:39:45
knowledge in which she knows in the signs of who the dragon
00:39:50
reborn should be, That's how she narrowed it down to those kids.
00:39:54
Okay. Now, okay.
00:39:57
Now I think one of the reasons why they haven't really talked
00:40:00
about the to variant thing is, I don't know if he actually is
00:40:04
going to explain why she knows there to ruin because they're
00:40:09
things. Like, Matt has his uncanny
00:40:11
ability, the wind gambling bits, and to throw Dyson, always win?
00:40:16
Why am I not surprised? But in the show, the introduced
00:40:20
him as a loser. This is a different format okay
00:40:27
that's why he go as far as he is in the book but you know, to
00:40:31
answer your question, I don't know if they're sufficiently
00:40:34
going to be able to explain how she knows their to viren.
00:40:38
And if they're going to explain that, if they could be different
00:40:44
from the book that she could actually sense them challenge or
00:40:48
being able to channel, okay, she should not be able to do that,
00:40:51
okay? Okay, cuz I don't for the men
00:40:53
for the girl, she can but not for the boys.
00:40:57
Okay? That okay, that makes sense
00:40:59
because that that went into a couple different questions
00:41:03
because there's something in the first episode.
00:41:06
So, well, this episode that was about The Travelers.
00:41:10
But I'll I will address that was a tinker's.
00:41:16
Sorry. Yeah I will discuss that when we
00:41:19
get to that because I have I have I have some quiz because I
00:41:21
read the first book and do nothing else.
00:41:23
I've bursting with questions and I'm trying to pay through as we
00:41:26
need a. So I'm trying not to ramble only
00:41:30
you things, but yeah, then it's going to be interesting to see
00:41:34
where they go with this. We obviously, by since we're
00:41:38
skipping around, we know the end of episode, there's something
00:41:41
special about Painter. Mmm.
00:41:44
And I know what that is probably has the ability to sense that
00:41:47
he's different in that way. Okay, suppose it rains
00:41:52
background is a little shaky. And and Max just different.
00:41:59
So she could be taking the leap of faith which is something that
00:42:03
she's going to have to do in order fluids, but she probably
00:42:06
knows at this point that you can Wayne is a Wilder, they gwaine
00:42:11
can China because she can feel it from her, okay?
00:42:13
And that's what I was going to say.
00:42:15
But given the information that you just said that I guess for
00:42:19
me kind of explains why she's single Zig when out in this
00:42:22
episode and takes her you know, she takes her into the Forest.
00:42:25
And she kind of talks to her about using the 1 power and what
00:42:30
they can and cannot do with it. One of the things that she says,
00:42:34
the three Oaths that she talks about with them, she says, the
00:42:37
30s are to speak. No word.
00:42:39
That is not true to make no weapon with which one person may
00:42:43
kill another. And to never use the one power
00:42:45
as a weapon. Except in the last extreme
00:42:48
defense of her life or the life of her water or another.
00:42:50
I said, I, so we're to went to defend or to kill Shadows Fall.
00:42:57
They didn't say that in the show.
00:42:58
See that? Yeah, it's even so.
00:43:00
But yeah, that is actually never used one power as weapon except
00:43:06
against Shadow small and dark friends.
00:43:09
And in the last, Defense of yourself a Warder.
00:43:15
Not your water, a water or another acid.
00:43:18
I oh, okay, so okay, so I wonder if they change that wording
00:43:23
specifically for the show because she specifically said,
00:43:27
or the life of her Warder because I thought about that
00:43:30
when she said it, when she was talking about what they can use
00:43:34
it as and I was like, okay, so they're very specific, she can
00:43:37
use it for defense of her own person.
00:43:41
She can use it in defense of her water or another.
00:43:44
I said, I. So she's just out in the forest
00:43:46
and someone is attacking another person that it does not fall in
00:43:50
one of those three categories. Does that mean she can't use the
00:43:54
one power to save them and I was thinking about what she did at
00:43:57
the village. And I was like, well,
00:43:58
technically speaking, she was using it to save herself and
00:44:03
land because the trolleys were also coming after them.
00:44:07
So the fact that she used the one power and pretty much saved
00:44:10
the whole village. You can kind of that falls in
00:44:13
that gray area because technically she's there and land
00:44:17
is there. But they left out the part about
00:44:20
the first part of that third is except against Shadow spawn and
00:44:25
dark friends. Okay?
00:44:27
You can use it against Shadow spoon and dark friends and
00:44:30
there's no justification behind me.
00:44:33
Okay? So since they haven't since they
00:44:35
haven't really talked about that in the show explain specifically
00:44:40
what a when did. You say a shadow spawn and our
00:44:42
friend because I know the term dark friend is used later on in
00:44:46
the episodes but they don't necessarily explain what it is.
00:44:49
It's kind of is one of those things where the context that
00:44:52
they use it you can kind of figure out what they mean but
00:44:56
just explain what is a shadow spawn and what is ADD our friend
00:44:59
specific Shadow spawn are the Tri-Lakes and the marginal who
00:45:05
are the the Fades who are in charge of okay okay?
00:45:11
Without the eyes that I lose their merge rules.
00:45:14
So they're also Shadow smells of anything that the dark one has
00:45:18
created. Okay, doctrines are people who
00:45:24
are humans, who are in League with the dark one, who are doing
00:45:32
the dark one's bidding, okay? Are called Dark friends.
00:45:35
Okay. Okay there and that's where it's
00:45:40
a black. Understand why they can't.
00:45:41
Kind of left that out when she explained it.
00:45:43
Because it's kind of a lot to handle for, for her for
00:45:47
equality. That would be kind of like, just
00:45:49
it. Yeah, I can use it as long as I
00:45:51
use it against, you know, defending myself, my wardrobe,
00:45:54
that stop. This shouldn't have to explain
00:45:56
with dark. Friends are in with trial,
00:45:59
exciting, with Kettle small not. Well okay, here's the thing.
00:46:04
Okay, so I know what I know the dark friends are and all that,
00:46:08
but our and I haven't seen a past episode for hat is, is
00:46:15
there any connection to the way that they portray them on the
00:46:18
show versus how they are in the book?
00:46:20
Because there's something, there's another part of that
00:46:22
dark frame thing that was curious about or are they in
00:46:24
control of their service? Or are they not?
00:46:27
Or is it can't be both? Well, I don't understand the
00:46:31
question. Meaning in the book, it's
00:46:33
alluded to that, they may have started out as willing
00:46:36
participants being a dark friend, but somewhere along the
00:46:39
line, they get taken over. By the, the Dark Lord's, for
00:46:43
lack of better word and they no longer are in control of their
00:46:46
actions. They literally have to do what
00:46:48
he tells them to do because they are no longer in possession, of
00:46:52
their willingness went once. Once you bargain with the dark
00:46:59
one, and he gives you access to the true Source, then you
00:47:04
basically belong to him. That's what I thought, okay?
00:47:07
And if not necessarily, You is almost like if he takes it away
00:47:12
from you, it's it hurts. He can hurt you, right?
00:47:15
Because you're not, you can't all of a sudden, change your
00:47:18
mind. Like, you know, I don't wanna do
00:47:19
this anymore. He's like, no, no, no, you
00:47:21
belong to me. If you're gonna do it, ask you
00:47:22
to do. So, once you join the evil
00:47:24
League of evil, you're in for good.
00:47:26
Once you join your and for good in their coaches, who have
00:47:33
joined and they have some decent intentions.
00:47:37
The there's a there's a lot involved and I don't want to go
00:47:40
into right now because I don't have anything to do with all the
00:47:42
show. Okay, okay.
00:47:45
Okay, moving on. So since you mentioned parent
00:47:48
let's talk about him because I do have questions.
00:47:51
So throughout the episode, as they are on the run from the
00:47:54
Tri-Lakes, you can hear wolves in the background which, you
00:47:58
know, I didn't think much of it at first.
00:48:02
And then there a couple of times during the episode we're pairing
00:48:05
looks like he's in And he sits down.
00:48:07
He rolls his leg leg sleeve up and you see that there are, I
00:48:12
guess claw marks in his in his lower leg.
00:48:18
And then there's one part where they are, they're kind of taking
00:48:23
shelter, he's at the river, he's getting them.
00:48:26
Fresh water. And he pulls up the the leg
00:48:29
sleeve again because the it looks like one.
00:48:33
It looks like it's not healing. And then As he's there, he gets
00:48:38
approached by this large group of wolves and at first, they're
00:48:42
very hostile towards him and then they kind of calm down and
00:48:46
then the leader of the pack approaches him, licks his wound
00:48:51
and then they all run away. And I was looking at this like
00:48:56
what just happened? But I have one question.
00:49:01
I don't know if this is, I don't know if this is like just
00:49:03
coincidence or not. Is there anything see?
00:49:06
Nificant about the fact that his scar on his leg is shaped, like
00:49:10
an F. Is that?
00:49:12
Or is that just something that's just there.
00:49:14
This is something that's good. Okay, Mike.
00:49:17
What's your question? I don't have a theory.
00:49:20
No, I was going to say, you have a theory, don't you?
00:49:22
Okay. It was quite I mean it's kind of
00:49:25
obvious and I know I'm probably wrong, but I've been banking on
00:49:29
this since I watched it and parents like my favorite even,
00:49:32
even though I think parent for some reason, became a favorite
00:49:35
character in all this because he's a werewolf, it's a f, the
00:49:40
F, the F stands for feral these feral I mean, it's nothing for
00:49:47
Fenris wolf. First question, how far have you
00:49:51
watched into this? Kind of watch that.
00:49:52
Watch that far. So I'm but I think, I think
00:49:55
there's something to him to it seems like he there's something
00:50:00
if it's not if he's not a wolf man or he's not becoming like
00:50:05
something wolf-like, I think there's something I haven't
00:50:09
watched them all because I'm a glutton for punishment.
00:50:12
I like being wrong and have you guys say Oh that's oh.
00:50:15
Cool. My kid.
00:50:16
That's a really good theory. Then I get blown out of the
00:50:19
water and y'all like, well, I mean, I know you don't want to
00:50:22
tell you, but I digress. There was, there was a part when
00:50:27
they were when they were they were making camp where he we're
00:50:31
pairing, was at the fire and the fire was burning, and it went
00:50:35
one way. Then It reversed and went the
00:50:37
other way. I don't know if anyone noticed
00:50:39
that I didn't, it was kind of weird, I'm wondering if it Of
00:50:46
course, me being being the conspiracy theorist of the
00:50:49
group. I was like, does he have control
00:50:51
over that like you or is that just like, a weird editing move,
00:50:56
but it's like, he was sitting there.
00:50:58
He was like, inhaling deeply and exhaling deeply.
00:51:01
They looked at his wound. I'm like, did he do it?
00:51:04
Does he have like control over that?
00:51:06
Like did he rewind? Like, it was kind of weird, but
00:51:10
I just think that because that would what the wolf did to his
00:51:14
wound when he was at the River is kind of indicative of what
00:51:18
other wolves do when when a wolf is hurt.
00:51:22
Then the end the other another wolf sees that sees the wound.
00:51:25
They lick the wound in order to help it heal and that's kind of,
00:51:29
that's kind of a dog / wolf thing.
00:51:31
So and this is how they look out for each other.
00:51:34
Like, you know, like they don't want to get infected so they
00:51:36
clean it for them, especially if they have a long way to go.
00:51:40
So that's why I think he's with his Kindred.
00:51:43
So that's my theory. Okay.
00:51:46
Now as far as the fire thing, I did not notice that I will go
00:51:51
back and look and see if that happened.
00:51:52
But if something like that happened, you know where the
00:51:55
fire was going one way or the other technically speaking.
00:51:58
If he if he can channel, the one power is that something that he
00:52:04
would be able to do Anthony like control that element?
00:52:07
Like I'm not I'm still not sure how the one power works
00:52:11
completely but do they have control of the elements?
00:52:15
What I I do know that Moraine said something to egwene when
00:52:19
she was kind of teaching her about the possibility of
00:52:23
becoming a nice Addai. And she said something about
00:52:26
what happened, you know, she asked her, what happens when you
00:52:30
hear the wind and then she says it's not you listening to the
00:52:34
wind is the wind that listens to you is that something that could
00:52:38
happen with fire as well if parent has that power there.
00:52:43
Bender's, of course. Okay.
00:52:46
Earth fire, wind water and stupid.
00:52:50
Okay. Just like in either of the
00:52:52
scurvy which is just like in any fantasy thing with his magic.
00:52:56
Okay? And and just like in discover
00:52:59
which has you have to take you know fire is how you weave it
00:53:04
together, which brief spells men.
00:53:08
If I remember are stronger in Fire and Earth and women are
00:53:12
strong and water, okay? But all the leaves, the kind of
00:53:17
leaves. All the leaves have been
00:53:19
learned. Are some combination of those
00:53:21
elements put together, okay? Some people are strong in, those
00:53:26
elements than others. Healers are really strong in
00:53:30
spirit because that is what? Promotes the healing?
00:53:35
Uh-huh. That makes sense.
00:53:37
Okay, so to answer your question, yes, if he were able
00:53:42
to channel, that would be something that he would be able
00:53:44
to control, okay? Okay.
00:53:45
Now just saying let's let's put this out there.
00:53:50
I'm not saying Mike theory is right or wrong because honestly,
00:53:56
I don't know. I will say this, I've watched
00:53:58
through the end of the first season and anything that I've
00:54:03
seen does not, I don't think, I don't know.
00:54:07
How werewolves will be depicted in this, in this particular
00:54:09
story. So I'm not sure how well your
00:54:15
theory. Works Mike.
00:54:16
But let's just say for the sake of argument pairing is a
00:54:21
werewolf or something to that effect, would he be able to be
00:54:25
that? And a Channeler, is that
00:54:28
something that that exists in this series, like people who are
00:54:33
shapeshifter shapeshifters and can channel is that a thing, I'm
00:54:41
going to get ya without being spoilery.
00:54:45
Can you answer that question? I think theoretically, yes,
00:54:55
okay. Because I mean is fantasy.
00:54:59
I mean the problem is that for 3 years, male Challengers
00:55:06
have been executed. So I don't know of any female
00:55:14
that was a shape-shifter or a chaplain.
00:55:17
Okay? That makes sense.
00:55:18
I mean, and the Chandler. Okay?
00:55:20
And if there any mail that could do we never would have known
00:55:22
because they were killed. Right?
00:55:24
Okay. Also, I wanted to mention this
00:55:28
too. Any female or any woman that or
00:55:34
female or girl, bad, but ring would have come across, it could
00:55:37
have channeled, she would have, had them taken to the tower,
00:55:42
okay? All chant any woman who could
00:55:45
Channel, no matter where AZ are sent to the tower.
00:55:48
Okay, other than the story and I need, you told when I don't know
00:55:54
what was going on, it was Howard being, but they sent the girl
00:55:57
back the woman that she say. Her Mentor, because if she was
00:56:02
raggedy and dirty or whatever, and they sent her back because,
00:56:06
because sometimes, depending on who's running the tower, it's
00:56:11
sort of like, it's not like the white clothes because like it's
00:56:14
a noble thing. T, you know, to be able to
00:56:18
channel, you have to be sort of an important person.
00:56:21
So they turn their nose up at peasants or that sort of thing.
00:56:25
Which is terrible because what happens to them is Is very like
00:56:30
very much like in Harry Potter when you have this power and no
00:56:34
one teaches you how to use it. You end up destroying yourself.
00:56:38
Uh-huh. Usually, after the first time
00:56:42
someone channels, Bill started getting headaches, they can draw
00:56:46
too much of it into themselves and and burn themselves out.
00:56:50
Okay. Yes.
00:56:51
So a lot of Wilders in the bag is very rare that they continue
00:56:57
on and one of the things that we see in the trailer, Taylor for
00:56:59
the show. You see the serum in the
00:57:01
beginning, they have a ceremony when I need you've pushed egwene
00:57:05
into the water and that was basically a representation of
00:57:09
teaching her how to control the flow, like how the control, you
00:57:13
know, this ride with the water, the lid, the more you fight it,
00:57:18
the harder it is. So this is let it take over you
00:57:21
and letting you know, take you down the stream.
00:57:25
That's something that their culture.
00:57:28
Uses to teach women how to control that part of themselves.
00:57:32
Okay, they don't die. Okay.
00:57:37
Men boys, who can Channel they steal them or being the dying
00:57:40
anyway because Iggle piggle mad. And but they got to get to him
00:57:43
before they get really powerful real bad things happen.
00:57:47
Okay. Okay.
00:57:49
So the bed. Does that answer your question?
00:57:52
I don't know. Yeah, about shape-shifting and
00:57:55
channeling. Hmm, that's just something we'll
00:57:58
just Have to see because have to use, have to see.
00:58:00
I'm just happy. So you're saying there's a
00:58:02
chance you have to but always my but mind you indifferent.
00:58:09
We've had different authors and different series interpret
00:58:12
werewolves in different ways like even the world wolves and
00:58:16
in like we discovered in Twilight that they're not really
00:58:20
world's they're shapeshifters. Mm-hmm.
00:58:24
Which which, you know, is, was one of the hardest things to get
00:58:28
people to wrap their head around.
00:58:29
Wait, they're not really werewolves, no, they're
00:58:32
shapeshifters. Hmm.
00:58:34
The werewolves are completely different in the vampires of
00:58:36
scared of Worlds, because you're more powerful than God.
00:58:40
That's why they're almost all gone, right?
00:58:42
Right. Yeah.
00:58:44
And where was Harry Potter at different?
00:58:48
Additional werewolf. Where is it?
00:58:49
A discovery? Which is there are no werewolves
00:58:52
at all. And that we know of that, we
00:58:57
know of well I read books but my thing is is that I was looking
00:59:03
out of somewhere and I guess the problem is is that not her
00:59:08
particularly never hardness but a lot of people with their
00:59:10
writing fantasy they want to stay away from Worlds because
00:59:13
they think they've been or shapeshifter because they didn't
00:59:15
use so much and when you think of the Holy Trinity of horror
00:59:20
you think vampire which is werewolves.
00:59:22
So they're basically My light did a lot of damage.
00:59:25
Okay, let's just it did a lot of damage on people using
00:59:30
werewolves as main characters for a long time because of the
00:59:33
bad taste of left, everyone's mouth.
00:59:35
So, a lot of writers of modern fantasy.
00:59:38
Not just as with various other fantasies, they are leery to go
00:59:43
there. And I don't think the trend is
00:59:45
going to change for another maybe 10 years because it was
00:59:49
just but this, whether he's a werewolf or not or shape-shifter
00:59:53
or not, I think that the whole thing is telling that he might
00:59:57
at the very least have some sort of like how some people have
01:00:01
like a sanity for animals, they may not be quote unquote, an
01:00:04
animal themselves but they are sensitive, I think watching this
01:00:09
I think he's sensitive. Okay.
01:00:13
Animals and that he has an affinity for them and it might
01:00:17
be something different than him being a werewolf or
01:00:20
shapeshifter. Okay, that makes sense too.
01:00:24
Or it could just be this author's interpretation of where
01:00:27
the world wolf would be, that's true.
01:00:30
Yeah. Okay.
01:00:33
All right, let's let's move on because I got to talk about
01:00:36
this, the scene where R and pulls that damn bat out of his
01:00:40
throat. That was so disgusting ill.
01:00:45
Can we give a shout-out to the special effects people?
01:00:48
Yeah, that's because that was legit.
01:00:51
That was Was it was like I'm looking at it like oh he just
01:00:55
really pulled it back its mouth but he ends up doing that
01:01:01
because you know, they've all taken Refuge he's asleep.
01:01:06
He's gone you know outside of the cave to have some time to
01:01:09
himself some you know, for whatever reason and he wakes up,
01:01:15
he has this little cough and then he starts choking, he pulls
01:01:18
this bat out of his mouth and then he looks up.
01:01:22
And the dark one is standing in the forest, or at least that,
01:01:25
that's who I thought it was. Because it was a guy, he didn't
01:01:29
look like one of the regular faith and he had glowing as Matt
01:01:33
said Amber eyes and then he wakes up and it's a he realizes
01:01:38
this a dream but then he looks and there is a bat in front of
01:01:42
him on the ground. So it's kind of like one of
01:01:45
those where did they really happen or not?
01:01:48
And then as he's walking towards everyone else, there are Are
01:01:52
dead bats on the ground and apparently, all of them have had
01:01:57
a dream with the bats and seeing the dark, man.
01:02:00
Now, we don't hear what it claims dream is, we don't hear
01:02:05
what parents is. We do know that.
01:02:07
They both saw the dark man. Matt says very specifically
01:02:12
about his dream, he says that there were, there were dozens of
01:02:16
bats and they all have their necks broken.
01:02:18
Kind of like someone was standing there and breaking
01:02:20
their necks midair. So, I'm just kind of like, I
01:02:26
feel like in a way it's kind of sort of telling that Rand and
01:02:31
Matt's dreams were the only two that were shared out of the, for
01:02:37
maybe that's just me looking to too much into things, but I'm
01:02:41
like, that doesn't bode well, at least.
01:02:45
It's as far as I can see. You know what I'm saying?
01:02:47
It's like so yeah, I told us there's and y'all didn't tell us
01:02:50
the other two but I mean I mean we've seen, we saw the other two
01:02:55
being focused on in different ways in this episode.
01:02:58
You know, gwaine possibly being. I said I or being able to be
01:03:02
Aisa dive in pairing with his may or may not be animal
01:03:07
sensitive /, werewolf /, whatever.
01:03:11
But the fact that they are looking for the person who can
01:03:15
who is the dragon reborn, and they're saying that the dragon
01:03:19
reborn will either fix the world orca.
01:03:22
I possibly break it again. And then we see these two
01:03:25
visions, or we hear about these two visions from these two
01:03:27
people, I'm just kind of like Yeah, those two I think are the
01:03:33
possibilities as far as being the dragon reborn and one of
01:03:37
them is going to fix things and one of them is going to break
01:03:40
them. And at this point, But was that
01:03:47
the only person who thought that as far as the dreams go, like,
01:03:51
why are you focusing on dreams? Just those two wind apparent
01:03:55
dream, about with the egwene dream about the only got any
01:03:58
differently. I feel like ran and Matt are the
01:04:02
two that will that overshare and pairing.
01:04:06
Then really tell people about what's going on inside his head.
01:04:10
I mean, he'll he hadn't even told them.
01:04:11
He hadn't told anyone that he killed his wife, I see Emily.
01:04:14
So I looked at, Be that way that, that Matt is gonna blab
01:04:18
until everything you saw in his dream and Randy's to because,
01:04:21
you know, Randy has ran. Okay, well, he's not gonna say
01:04:24
anything because she's not gonna want to say it out loud and
01:04:27
parent, then share it all. So But I understand why
01:04:32
understand why you say that. I'm just this because if you
01:04:36
think about it, if you look at it.
01:04:40
Yeah. Parent seems to be special ran
01:04:43
seems to be may be different in some way.
01:04:46
Big Wayne we know is different. What was special about?
01:04:49
Matt, he's a degenerate Gambler. He can't keep his hands to
01:04:53
himself. He doesn't follow instructions.
01:04:58
But see those are all like the bad qualities.
01:05:00
I Like Matt. Hey, yeah, he has some very good
01:05:05
qualities about himself, you know, he's very caring, he's
01:05:08
very compassionate, especially when it comes to like his
01:05:11
sister's. He's very protective, he's very
01:05:14
selfless when it comes to them and I feel like, maybe with this
01:05:18
group to, with his friends, he could be as well.
01:05:20
But again, we're only in the second second episode.
01:05:23
So I'm not quite sure where Matt fits into all of this, but it's
01:05:29
like, we see, We know that there's a bigger story, of
01:05:33
course, there's going to be a bigger story with ran and egwene
01:05:36
whether they're together or not, because those two, I feel like
01:05:40
those are the main two people of the group parents seems like his
01:05:46
his story or whatever Journey. He's going to go on within this
01:05:51
within the story is more, so going to be by himself,
01:05:57
especially in light of the fact that like you say, he doesn't
01:06:00
share much. Like we don't really know much
01:06:02
about him except for the little bit.
01:06:05
We saw of him in the first episode, but again, we know that
01:06:09
all four of these people share a close Bond.
01:06:12
They appear to be best friends and will, you know, have each
01:06:17
other's backs but with something this big looming over their
01:06:21
heads. Like, potentially one of you,
01:06:25
Has the ability and will probably either fix the world or
01:06:29
destroy the world. These are huge burden to be
01:06:33
placing on one person. And then, what does that mean
01:06:37
for the other three? Who don't fulfill that prophecy?
01:06:40
You know, the old blood runs, deep, amen, Nephron I mean, just
01:06:49
going back to Moraine. The song they were seeing about
01:06:55
the nephron. That's where the two rivers is,
01:06:59
that was one of the ten kingdoms that stood against the dark one.
01:07:04
When the trial like war is when the Tri-Lakes invaded, the
01:07:08
nephron was a thorn in the side of the dark one, they were very
01:07:12
powerful Kingdom them in. Arid hold, which is Shadow
01:07:17
Lugar. Through which we get to later.
01:07:19
Hmm. And King Amon.
01:07:23
Held his ground against the trial, car me.
01:07:25
He and his army, he'll the ground and be asked for help and
01:07:30
they were waiting for help and help did not come and they were
01:07:35
really only supposed to be able to hold for a day.
01:07:39
But every day, they held and the hills were about, nine days
01:07:44
before he realized that big help was not coming, mmm-hmm, and
01:07:48
then when he sent Riders to tell them to evacuate the city, Back
01:07:53
with a Capital C into the mountains, most of the people,
01:07:58
the adults, women and men. They came to the field to fight.
01:08:04
Hmm, while the children and elderly went into the mountains,
01:08:08
right? Absolutely Hill until they were
01:08:10
all dead, which was another four days, which was another four
01:08:14
days. Then his wife, the queen ildren,
01:08:18
she was, I said, I he married a nice to die because of Course,
01:08:23
you know, most of the queens of the time where I stood, I
01:08:26
because they married them off and she happened to be the most
01:08:29
powerful Chandler at that time. Side note.
01:08:34
The reason why he'll didn't come is the current our Merlin seat
01:08:38
was jealous of her from when they were children and she did
01:08:43
everything she could to not let help keep their correct me if
01:08:48
I'm wrong and I'm pulling a little bit from the books.
01:08:51
I'm not going to go into spoilers but isn't a novel is
01:08:53
seat. Usually batshit crazy.
01:08:57
No stubble, or is it just a few? There's a few people are
01:09:01
jealous. They can be because there's
01:09:04
still people right? And her jealousy of L drain goes
01:09:07
back to when they were children and jealous of how powerful
01:09:10
he'll drink was. And they could be a debate made
01:09:15
that maybe she was a dark friend.
01:09:20
I don't think so. But either way, Philip did not
01:09:25
come, it'll drain filled him die because she had bounded him as a
01:09:28
Warder. So when he died, she felt it.
01:09:31
Oh okay, okay. All right, okay, I wondered
01:09:34
about that. Yeah.
01:09:35
See, but yeah, that's how she didn't say that.
01:09:37
She just said that. Oh, the queen ldren, felt her
01:09:40
husband died, but she had bonded him.
01:09:42
Him as a Warder, ah, which opens up a whole different can of
01:09:46
worms that we might want to get want to get into right now, but
01:10:00
and basically destroyed the entire Army killing herself in
01:10:05
the process. And that turned the tide of the
01:10:07
war because most of the child economy was gone.
01:10:10
Right? Right.
01:10:11
And then, of course, we find out later On that aftershave the
01:10:16
city that was Shadow. Love that Oleg.
01:10:18
Orth the Golf R golf ligase after they did not send help
01:10:24
when the, you know, the the remaining survivors came to the
01:10:28
city for shelter, the whole city was pretty much, I won't even
01:10:32
say abandon this. Like every everyone dessert is
01:10:36
kind of like and and no one knows what happened to them.
01:10:40
What was it? That last said it is said that.
01:10:42
Evil itself consumed the city and I was like that's Karma
01:10:51
incarnate If Ever I saw it like oh y'all promised these people
01:10:57
Aid and then you didn't send it, you know, I guess being I don't
01:11:03
know, maybe being selfish, you know, or like you said, the
01:11:07
jealousy part like oh yeah, I'm jealous of her.
01:11:10
She has all this power. She she can do it herself or
01:11:12
Ever. But whatever happened.
01:11:15
Karma the universe whatever was like oh this is how you want to
01:11:20
add bed, banished banished begone begone.
01:11:25
Everybody just disappears and I tell you when they enter the
01:11:30
city for shelter from the chocolates The quietness of the
01:11:34
City versus them talking like when they were saying when
01:11:39
pairing was saying listen, there's no birds no bugs, no,
01:11:43
like the silence in that city that was Eerie, it felt
01:11:48
different even just watching that like if I don't know, it's
01:11:52
very unsettling. Just how quiet it was.
01:11:56
Yeah scary have a question. Yes.
01:12:02
Okay so when they were when they end up getting chased in they
01:12:06
were approaching the city. When they got like close to say
01:12:11
their horses, wouldn't go any further and then when they look
01:12:13
back to your trollops wouldn't even come close to where they
01:12:17
were. They won't even come closer
01:12:18
then. Why not just Camp outside the
01:12:21
city? Because they wouldn't approach
01:12:25
them. They weren't getting any closer
01:12:28
than that. There was no way.
01:12:30
I mean, I just think, I feel like instead of going into city
01:12:33
which is as soon as they said something about a demon city I
01:12:37
was like oh God here we go. These someone's getting ready to
01:12:40
fuck up. I was like y'all keep it was not
01:12:44
someone you know who is going to be the one fucking kill you.
01:12:50
100%, who's gonna be mad? I knew it, but it's like they've
01:12:54
obviously the trolleys were probably looking like, okay,
01:12:57
this is what you see where they gonna do.
01:12:59
Are they going to go in and see if they're going to stay
01:13:01
outside? Because the stay outside will
01:13:03
get them. But that's what I thought too.
01:13:05
It was no reason to approach if they were just gonna run inside.
01:13:09
So this was going to be good. No, I do not think that honestly
01:13:19
just Think that they weren't going to go.
01:13:21
I mean they really sense how bad that city was and they were
01:13:25
going to get closer than they really needed to don't think
01:13:28
they really want to get that close.
01:13:29
Either the settles down, had had actually station the Battalion
01:13:34
beer once and was never heard from again.
01:13:37
So they knew they know, they know not to go there.
01:13:40
Okay, this is something we see in the show as from the books,
01:13:43
but yeah. They should have posted it right
01:13:51
there in front of the city. I mean, they were like, nope,
01:13:53
not gonna do it. Oh, well, why not?
01:13:55
But then, something, well, you see what happens?
01:13:57
Because we see it in this episode.
01:13:59
Kind of what happens. And the thing is that I'm
01:14:02
sitting there, like I said, I made popcorn is I was like, oh,
01:14:04
this got to go down. The only problem I had and I'm
01:14:08
having with this series is because I've read so much
01:14:11
fantasy is sort of like a. Like I said, I think the first
01:14:14
episode you have your list. Oh, they are the force kick you,
01:14:18
they enter this. Tick you just checking it off as
01:14:22
you watch the episodes, right? Yeah.
01:14:24
That's a character like the Mi Amore.
01:14:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think to answer
01:14:33
your question, Mike. I feel like, yeah, they probably
01:14:37
could have camped outside the city, but just because the trial
01:14:41
looks won't cross past a certain point.
01:14:44
Does it mean that an arrow or spear or acts?
01:14:48
Throne would Pass, you know, they could have sat there and,
01:14:53
you know, thrown stuff or whatever.
01:14:58
So I think it was probably, it could have many say, it could
01:15:03
have been safer for them in the city because if you think about
01:15:10
the circumstances of how those people disappeared, I don't
01:15:15
think any of our people would have.
01:15:21
Would have attracted that kind of energy force, whatever you
01:15:25
want to call it. But mad, not only being just
01:15:31
curious about things but I feel like there's a little bit of an
01:15:36
undercurrent with Matt where he might be jealous of the others.
01:15:40
I don't know why but he just seems to me like he just, I
01:15:47
don't know it, this goes back again to what I said earlier
01:15:49
about him and ran, you know, possibly being one, you know,
01:15:54
one of the two being the dragon reborn because of what their
01:15:57
Anjali is I just feel, like whatever darkness is, and Matt,
01:16:01
it attracted that little, I don't know what we want to call
01:16:05
it Shadow blob or I don't know what to call it.
01:16:08
But whatever, you know, he started I think he was hearing
01:16:11
voices, or he was hearing something, or he was saying
01:16:14
something. Almost like something was
01:16:17
leading him to the knife and when he got to that blade, I was
01:16:21
like, Matt don't pick it up. I know you're about to pick it
01:16:23
up. Don't pick it up.
01:16:24
Don't pick it up. This just don't pick it up.
01:16:26
And then what? Happened when he picked it up.
01:16:31
And everything started going haywire.
01:16:32
It's just like, I actually pause my TV like who's about to die
01:16:38
because I really thought somebody was about to die first
01:16:41
other than the horses. Yeah that's the reminded me of
01:16:44
Aladdin. When, when a boob grab the big
01:16:47
gemstone feels like you have really tried to put it back and
01:16:52
it just melts away and I was like, yeah, I was like kind of
01:16:56
like when when who was it? Somebody probably Jonathan.
01:17:03
And the mummy when they were touching all the, you know, the
01:17:07
stuff there weren't supposed to touch stuff.
01:17:09
Yeah, it was kind of like that but I just was the reins with
01:17:13
tipping. Hit the thing and learned all
01:17:16
that work. Still?
01:17:17
Oh yes, yes he did do that. Yeah again that's one of those
01:17:21
like common things like somebody is posted.
01:17:24
Somebody is going to touch something, they're not supposed
01:17:27
to touch and then all hell breaks loose.
01:17:29
It and literally it and it didn't help in this because
01:17:34
everybody has to split morenas practically comatose at this
01:17:38
point. So it's not like she's going to
01:17:40
be any help or she can't even get herself out of the
01:17:43
situation. They have to carry her and all
01:17:46
this other stuff and it's just like so you get you get mad and
01:17:53
Rand separated by themselves and then you have parent and egwene
01:17:59
and Then you have land and Moraine.
01:18:01
All of them have to get out of the city which thankfully they
01:18:05
all make it out but they're all separated now like it's almost
01:18:09
like they came out on three different sides of the city and
01:18:15
there's no way for them to kind of like, finding each other at
01:18:17
this point. So they're just separated and
01:18:20
land. Of course, is trying to check on
01:18:22
Moran, and make sure she's okay. And who comes out of the woods.
01:18:27
98 she's alive and I was like oh this is gonna be interesting.
01:18:31
Like my thing is how the hell did you escape from at Rowlett?
01:18:38
So I need to know that Eve is that bitch.
01:18:45
I mean, just her attitude. She's like, okay.
01:18:49
Where are my people? Where my friends?
01:18:52
Yes, you take me to them now, or I'll kill you.
01:18:54
Right. And I believe it too, right?
01:18:57
I mean, just think about it really happy.
01:19:00
She got taken off by trolley and she's alive.
01:19:03
And it almost looks like she's under for the most part
01:19:07
unscathed. With yeah, she didn't kill some
01:19:09
folks shouldn't kill some things, maybe not people
01:19:12
shouldn't kill. She didn't kill the trolley car
01:19:14
to in order to get there. But I'm like if you think about
01:19:18
it that means she had to have been following them the whole
01:19:21
time. Because how do you all all of a
01:19:23
sudden like they have literally traveled across the country on
01:19:27
horses? You know, kind of get away from
01:19:30
those trolleys like first of all, how does she get around the
01:19:33
all army of Charlie's because they have At the ferry Crossing,
01:19:39
there was the whole Army there, so she had to get across the
01:19:43
river. Somehow, how did I just have so
01:19:45
many questions? So many questions?
01:19:50
Like, what did you do? Where are you?
01:19:53
You can't just be a normal. What did they call her?
01:19:59
Yeah, there has to be more to her at this point.
01:20:02
Well, well, I I saw it and I was like, okay this is interesting
01:20:11
and then I had the same questions but then again, I was
01:20:13
also like in not spoiling in the book.
01:20:17
First book. She's just pissed off enough
01:20:21
that she's like, I'm not letting him out of their sight, no
01:20:24
matter what. I'm going to go find them, I'm
01:20:26
going to go get them. And I'm going to bring him back
01:20:29
to the Village, okay? That's her whole mindset in the
01:20:32
first book. I'm not, that's all I'm saying.
01:20:33
I'm not going anything else. So seeing it, translate the
01:20:36
screen, she would have done, just about anything to get them
01:20:41
back, not because she cares about them because they pissed
01:20:44
her off because I left in the first place.
01:20:46
See she, my theory is that she takes her job because she's so
01:20:51
young to be a wisdom. She's about ten years younger
01:20:54
than the wisdom should be in a village.
01:20:56
She's very sensitive to the fact that she's got a feeling.
01:20:59
She has to prove herself over and over to the people around
01:21:03
her that she's worthy to do. Yeah.
01:21:05
Okay. So huh, personal sense of
01:21:08
responsibility is override anything crazy or crazy ish to
01:21:13
get things done. So I was not surprised to see
01:21:15
her. I was more along the lines of
01:21:18
okay, she made it through she survived and she's going to
01:21:21
bring them back and she's going to tell we're ready to kick
01:21:24
rocks. And that's all chickens for.
01:21:27
I don't think she's gonna be that Alliance well, house
01:21:30
throughout the whole series of books tell us is that she is
01:21:33
responsible for them. Yeah, via her responsibilities
01:21:36
and she's going to do whatever it takes to make sure that
01:21:39
they're okay. Yep.
01:21:42
Even if she has a marine around the seal, do it.
01:21:45
Oh I get the feeling that she and more rain later on.
01:21:47
Have very interesting conversations how know about
01:21:51
conversations. I'm I feel like this is going to
01:21:54
be a like a confrontation between those two.
01:21:58
It just, I don't know, she just, she gives off that, I don't
01:22:02
know. She gives off that Vibe, like
01:22:04
she wants to kick somebody's butt and I think at this point
01:22:08
Moraine is probably like the biggest target, but of course
01:22:10
Moraine is kind of out of commission right now.
01:22:13
So I don't know maybe her and Lana for all I'm saying is that
01:22:17
I haven't gone any further than what I told you guys.
01:22:20
I was feeling that in the next couple books that she gets any
01:22:23
amount of power. She might be able to kick
01:22:25
Marines ass. That's all I'm saying, just
01:22:27
because she's angry. Does it mean the most powerful
01:22:29
person in room? Doesn't always win the fight?
01:22:32
That's just wants to fight. That's true.
01:22:36
That's true. But yeah I don't know.
01:22:43
I don't want to spoil anything. They'll be spoilers.
01:22:45
Do you realize that I've been very good.
01:22:54
Gloria, Hey, cuz I know she and I know she's chomping at the
01:22:56
bit. The cool thing is there.
01:22:59
A lot of people who there's some people who don't really like the
01:23:02
show, especially the book readers and this, because they
01:23:06
all say, oh, it's not like the show, it's not like the show
01:23:08
where they've changed this. They've changed that only about
01:23:11
so far, 70% to. 80% of what we've seen has not happened in
01:23:17
the book. It's all original.
01:23:22
It is a lot but they get across a lot of the things that you
01:23:27
would have gotten to this point. Okay?
01:23:30
Like the story of manipulation wasn't told the way it was told
01:23:34
there. It was holding a different way
01:23:36
in the book. Okay?
01:23:39
The characters that we have met that we haven't met yet, that we
01:23:44
would have already met. Okay, they come later you
01:23:48
there's some things. My point.
01:23:50
I guess what I'm trying to say is it doesn't bother me because
01:23:53
I'm still getting the same information and the same story
01:23:57
that I would have gotten from the book.
01:23:58
It's just being told in a different way, okay?
01:24:01
And the best comment I've seen in the, in the, in the Facebook
01:24:04
group was just think of this as just another turning of the
01:24:08
wheel. Yeah.
01:24:10
Like some of this stuff has happened before his hat is going
01:24:12
to happen again. It's happening.
01:24:14
Now just imagine this is just a different version of of the
01:24:18
wheel and I'm like, that seems appropriate for this content.
01:24:22
Yeah, I think we're the same Facebook group.
01:24:24
I think I saw that, too. But did you also see the thing
01:24:27
that they floated yesterday, which blew my mind.
01:24:30
I was like, I had to take my brain out and think about it for
01:24:33
season 2, there flirt with the idea of just writing it from the
01:24:38
writers room and Using any Source material at all.
01:24:41
You just going to run with it. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be
01:24:45
upset with that because they've then they've done a pretty good
01:24:48
job of not trying to stick to everything that happened in the
01:24:53
book is it's not possible. This is what 13 books us a lot,
01:24:56
a lot and you can't unlock it. Like the expanse which is got
01:25:01
six seasons which is in the next week.
01:25:03
I'm so sad. They're hitting the expanse
01:25:06
right at just about book seven of the nine which is I'm not I'm
01:25:10
not mad about, but with this with the thirteen fourteen
01:25:13
books, it was Sanderson fishing, the books, you would have to do
01:25:16
13 seasons and expanse was booked out for 10-wheel time.
01:25:22
Possibly might get six same amount of time with that and
01:25:26
with eight to ten episodes or 12 episodes or whatever they
01:25:30
decide, you're not going to be able to chill everything from
01:25:33
the books, all the way through now.
01:25:35
Since a I don't think so because it this season was only eight
01:25:38
episodes, right? Late and I haven't finished.
01:25:41
I got four left, but based off of my experience with the
01:25:45
expanse. The first one, two, three.
01:25:47
The first four seasons of the expanse, did manage to get every
01:25:52
book that season was supposed to be in and they got everything
01:25:57
in, but when they got two seasons, five, and now season 6,
01:26:01
because they did a time Jump, spoiler they're having crammed
01:26:05
and do stuff with. I haven't watched it till it's
01:26:07
all over. So with Wheel of Time, I'm
01:26:09
thinking that the first two seasons is gonna do what they're
01:26:13
going to do. Then when you get to season 4
01:26:15
season 5, you're really going to have to wrap up the Sanderson
01:26:20
stuff in a way that's going to give it a good ending.
01:26:22
Because when you do these long books is hard to get,
01:26:26
everything's that fan wants fanservice in, it's hard to get
01:26:30
it, get it together. I think they're going to take
01:26:34
their cue from Lord of the Rings.
01:26:37
Winter is coming. Not Lord of the Rings because
01:26:43
the difference is they they they have to appoint in the Game of
01:26:47
Thrones, where they have to make up stuff.
01:26:50
Yeah, that's true because they surpassed the books here.
01:26:55
They have the books, right? They know where the story ends,
01:27:00
they know all the major events that happen.
01:27:02
Hmm. So, They can they can they can
01:27:08
literally just look at the outline of the remaining books
01:27:10
and say these are the only points that we have to hit and
01:27:14
everything else. They can adapt and interpret
01:27:17
however they want to because they know where the story is
01:27:19
going. And I don't have a problem with
01:27:23
that as long as they keep with. Keep with, what's happening?
01:27:28
I mean, I was a little bit thrown off by, you know, I have
01:27:32
white hanako, I watched the whole thing.
01:27:35
I was little bit thrown by the end but he makes sense in any
01:27:40
format versus okay, okay? And even up, until this point
01:27:44
all this, the shadow logo step, they can't, they're things that
01:27:49
they just can't do. That's in the books.
01:27:52
It just can't do it because it would take forever and it will
01:27:55
be born. So I'd like the way they've done
01:27:58
in the show. Okay.
01:28:00
Because is it's the same stuff like all the characters are
01:28:03
exactly except format all the characters are exactly how they
01:28:06
are in the book. Okay.
01:28:09
Okay. I don't know why they doing that
01:28:10
this way. I think you have some alternate
01:28:13
plan for him. I don't know if it's because the
01:28:16
ACT is going to change but I don't like how mad is being
01:28:20
portrayed in. Really bothers me.
01:28:22
That's the only thing that I don't really like about the show
01:28:25
because he got fired or did he or he had another project to
01:28:28
bring somebody else enters and pandemic.
01:28:30
I don't think they say yes. Damn it man.
01:28:33
So yeah, well, character that I'm waiting to see what shows up
01:28:38
in episode 5 is a certain orc, which I can't wait to see how
01:28:42
they did. Because I saw one picture and I
01:28:45
didn't agree with it because it didn't fit the way.
01:28:47
I thought he should look from the reading the book.
01:28:50
Oh dear. Yes.
01:28:51
There you go. Yeah.
01:28:53
Okay. Meet became make him look like
01:28:55
he does in the book but they don't they don't have that kind
01:29:00
of money. I know we don't have.
01:29:02
Yeah. But so yeah, let's see.
01:29:06
Is there anything else we need to mention from this episode?
01:29:10
We talk about, I just, um, I, I'm of the impression that rare
01:29:16
and even if he is the dragons, whatever.
01:29:20
Is soft. I'm about tired of him already
01:29:26
just like I just why? If he doesn't talk to her, I
01:29:50
mean, I understand, you understand.
01:29:52
Like, he's being all like standoffish, but it's like, if
01:29:55
you mean you just see just really got on my nerves, let me
01:29:59
think about it. This is the best.
01:30:01
This is a guy who pretty much, I guess him and egwene had taught
01:30:06
the head, like Envision, how their life was going to be in
01:30:09
there. All of a sudden she decides she
01:30:12
wants to train for wisdom, which not only affects her affects him
01:30:16
to. And then before, Or he can even
01:30:19
process that and really like come to accept it.
01:30:25
Your village is attacked, your father is attacked, and then
01:30:28
you're tall. Oh yeah, you maybe this
01:30:30
legendary dragon reborn and now we have to take you away from
01:30:33
everything you've ever known and you have to Flee for Your Life,
01:30:38
that's it. And we have to remember these
01:30:40
people are only 20 years old. That's a lot for him to have to
01:30:43
deal with but I think even with all of that the fact that he's
01:30:49
Asking for space. He's I mean, think about it.
01:30:52
We've talked about this before and I think we even talked about
01:30:54
it when we talked about the first episode of this series, in
01:30:58
terms of people in relationships and dealing with difficulties in
01:31:03
relationships, whatever the fact that they can have conversations
01:31:08
and he can be like, okay, you know what, I came out here
01:31:11
because I needed time to myself and she got up and she was like,
01:31:13
okay cool. And he was like, he was trying
01:31:15
to apologize and she was like, no, I understand the that they
01:31:19
can even do those kinds of things that's so different,
01:31:21
because usually people always get offended like, oh no, I just
01:31:25
want some time to myself. Oh, find what their?
01:31:29
It's a lot healthier than we've seen in relationships in most of
01:31:34
what we watch, you know? Yeah, he's going to be upset.
01:31:37
I mean, this is the person you thought you was going to marry
01:31:40
and have children with. And all of a sudden, you realize
01:31:42
that that's not a possibility who doesn't need time to process
01:31:45
that who's not going to be a little bit upset about that, but
01:31:48
he's That really going off about her.
01:31:51
Yeah, he had his one little Outburst like yeah, you already
01:31:55
did that when she says, you know she's kind of going off on him
01:31:59
about how he's treating my rain. But again, this is a woman who
01:32:03
y'all didn't even know a week ago, she has come, she came into
01:32:07
your village and in his mind, you coming to the village and
01:32:11
then immediately afterwards, we get attacked by trolleys, then
01:32:16
we get taken away. Told that?
01:32:18
That we have this possible Destiny.
01:32:22
You're not giving us any information.
01:32:24
You know, like we talked about at the beginning of this
01:32:26
episode. Yeah, I can understand him being
01:32:29
the way that he's being because he's like well you got me
01:32:32
running for my life and I don't even know what the fuck I'm
01:32:34
running for. Like, give me a little more
01:32:36
information and then on top of that, I got to deal with this
01:32:39
relationship stuff too. I'm still worried about the
01:32:42
people back home and you are being very vague and very
01:32:46
invasive. He has a right to Like that.
01:32:49
But he's not. I don't feel like he's being the
01:32:52
way you're saying, like, he's being all whining stuff, I think
01:32:55
he's having very realistic reactions to everything that's
01:32:59
going on around him. And in a lot of ways, he's still
01:33:03
showing a semblance of maturity because he's not being childish.
01:33:09
They're dealing with a whole bunch of stuff.
01:33:10
And he's like, okay look you want to sit here and be vague
01:33:14
when we're asking you questions. No, damn it.
01:33:16
Tell us what's going on. What are we getting ourselves?
01:33:18
Elves into, I mean, they just watched her sink a bowl and the
01:33:22
ferryman because the ferryman was concerned about his family
01:33:26
and granite. I understand why she did it.
01:33:28
But if you're looking at it from that point of view like this
01:33:31
dude, just helped us, he told you that he's concerned about
01:33:34
his son and his family and instead of trying to find ways
01:33:39
to help him, you sink, his boat, which probably is his only means
01:33:44
of income, and because he tried to save it.
01:33:48
He is up dying as well. I don't blame ran for the way
01:33:52
he's acting because at this point, if I was on that trip
01:33:57
with Mariah acting the way that she's acting, I would have a lot
01:34:00
of questions too. And then, of course, with them
01:34:02
being the man, I feel like she's being purposefully, more evasive
01:34:06
with them because like Anthony said, she can't since their
01:34:09
power. She doesn't know what they're
01:34:12
capable of all she knows is one of these four has the power to
01:34:16
either save the world or completely.
01:34:18
We destroy it. So yeah I'm Gonna Keep y'all at
01:34:23
arm's length for right now while we try to figure this out I
01:34:26
don't think his reaction is inappropriate at all.
01:34:30
I think he has, I think he has he's more than Justified for
01:34:34
acting the way he's acting. He could be acting worse.
01:34:37
He could be more childish, he could be going off on equine all
01:34:41
the time. He could be going off on Moraine
01:34:43
way more than he is, but I think he's kind of why he's dealing.
01:34:48
The shock of everything. I think he's still like being
01:34:51
reasonable. You may be right Hanukkah, but I
01:34:54
still agree with Mike, he's a limey Bradley kill.
01:35:02
Well, at least he's not wanting a Bose dead.
01:35:03
Every five minutes. Oh my God.
01:35:19
I'm just saying like look at it like this at that moment, the
01:35:23
one that was teaching her was gone as far as they knew she was
01:35:26
dead. So those are good chance that
01:35:28
she might not actually get to go through with her teaching soon.
01:35:32
There's still a chance of that. So I mean I feel like his
01:35:36
reactions were just kind of child when you say, there's
01:35:40
still a chance of that. What do you mean?
01:35:42
I'm like her going through with her wisdom training like.
01:35:45
Oh okay yeah like maybe if they ever go back, To the terrain.
01:35:50
Yeah, which is like I said, there's no guarantee of that.
01:35:53
There's no guarantee that thinking they'll ever go back
01:35:55
home. Yeah, I don't think, I don't
01:36:00
think that they'll ever go back home.
01:36:01
I think they have the idea, but I get the impression and he
01:36:06
correct me if I'm wrong. Mike D'Antoni from wronged you,
01:36:08
but the impression I got is that once once they pick you, that's
01:36:14
it. Sort of like, in the valdemar
01:36:15
series when the Harold thinks you and your I choose you to be
01:36:19
a Harold, that's it. You no longer go.
01:36:21
You can go back and visit your family.
01:36:23
But you belong to the king and the Herald's.
01:36:27
Same thing in this, you belong to the isid.
01:36:29
I, you can't get out of it. You can't quit.
01:36:32
That's what you are for life. Yeah, yeah.
01:36:38
Yeah. I mean any woman that they come
01:36:41
across they're going to take him to the tower for the most part.
01:36:44
Yeah. So I don't know, we're have to
01:36:48
see but I, I think the whole thing with Randomness and the
01:36:56
other three I think we need to I know, I think I'll feel more
01:37:04
comfortable as far as how I view all of them.
01:37:07
Once we get a little bit more of the story, because I think, even
01:37:11
though right now we're two episodes in, I don't think we
01:37:14
know enough about the characters individually.
01:37:19
For me to say, okay well this is how this person is, this is how
01:37:22
this person is. I think we're seeing a lot of of
01:37:27
surface stuff and I think we're seeing a lot of who they are
01:37:30
based on what's going on around them with ran.
01:37:34
Like I said, I think he's just reacting to everything that's
01:37:37
around them. I think egwene is because she's
01:37:41
getting a little bit more information and a little bit
01:37:44
more from Moraine, I think that's enough to kind of make
01:37:48
her I won't say blindly follow Moraine, but if you think about
01:37:54
it, her purpose back in the village is gone because as far
01:37:58
as they know, not name is dead and that was what she was
01:38:01
planning to do. So I think at this point now she
01:38:04
has something she's being offered a chance at something
01:38:07
similar to what she wanted to do.
01:38:10
So I think that's enough to keep her following Moraine.
01:38:13
Paran is just I think parent is still in shock, you know, not
01:38:17
just from his head. Right now.
01:38:19
Yeah because he's got a lot of guilt that he's dealing with
01:38:23
because you know, he killed his wife and even though it was a
01:38:27
genuine accident like there was a lot going on, you got try Alex
01:38:33
in your house fighting you and your wife are fighting
01:38:35
side-by-side. And, you know, when she comes up
01:38:37
behind him, he thinks it's a chalak.
01:38:39
And I don't think, you know, that's a mistake anybody could
01:38:42
have made. But, you know, he feels a lot of
01:38:44
that guilt and of course, I don't think he wants to tell
01:38:46
them just in case they may blame.
01:38:48
Name him as well. Even though I think anybody who
01:38:51
hears his story would be like dude that was not your fault
01:38:55
don't don't carry that but I think right now he's just you
01:38:59
know we have we always have to have somebody who's Broody in
01:39:03
the group and so right now parent fits that bill and that
01:39:07
is just kind of like throws caution to the wind like he's
01:39:12
very I feel like he's very much. The he is the Troublemaker, but
01:39:21
I also feel like he is the one for the most part that grounds,
01:39:26
all of them because everybody else is kind of responsible in
01:39:29
their own way and he is as well, but he doesn't have his sister's
01:39:33
with them. So now he's more like comic
01:39:35
relief like trying to tie everyone together or trying to
01:39:38
be the one, you know, he's the one that tossed around like
01:39:41
don't be an asshole, like he's the person that's Going to kind
01:39:45
of ground all of them for now. I don't know what's going to
01:39:48
happen now that they're all separated because I think with
01:39:52
them being separated into the groups that they're separated
01:39:55
into. Now, we'll start to see a little
01:39:58
bit more of a character personalities come out and see
01:40:02
what they're really made of. And I think it's going to be
01:40:05
really interesting with random Matt because like I said, I feel
01:40:09
like those two are the ones that are kind of like the coin toss.
01:40:13
Like okay, Are you the dragon that's going to be good?
01:40:16
Or are you the dragon? That's going to fuck?
01:40:18
Shit up, I think it's between those two.
01:40:20
So I think we'll get to see a little bit of that as they, I
01:40:25
don't know, I guess journey to find each other, so I don't
01:40:29
know. But if I mean it's a, it's a
01:40:31
very interesting Series so far. Um, I did join that Facebook
01:40:36
group that you talked about Anthony, and I think I was in
01:40:40
that group for less than a day. I have to leave it because As I
01:40:44
was like, if I see one more post individual post about how this
01:40:50
is not like the books, I was like and I'm thinking, of
01:40:54
course, I'm Harry Potter, fandom?
01:40:55
I'm like, oh my God, is this what we sound like?
01:40:57
Where are we? This bad.
01:41:00
Yeah, that was just what he should have seen.
01:41:01
The dude posted in Facebook group.
01:41:04
It was even worse. No, no.
01:41:05
No, that's okay. I don't need it because after a
01:41:09
while I got to a point where I knew how to separate the books
01:41:13
from the films with Harry. A Potter.
01:41:15
But I don't know. I feel like, I feel like these
01:41:18
people in this Facebook group, they are so much worse because
01:41:22
they really found like the wildlife.
01:41:25
The way you talk about ran, Mike, that's how I felt about.
01:41:29
Some of these people in this group, I was like, oh my God,
01:41:31
unfollow, leave group, I can do it, see how it goes.
01:41:35
These are the, these are my people, okay?
01:41:37
These are the people who are, who are like me and Anthony, who
01:41:41
just basically Mainline See fiction all the time I'm in and
01:41:47
I understand that but it was just a bit much.
01:41:53
It's the vocal minority. Because, you know, I think most
01:41:59
for me, I believe, most people like me, they like the books and
01:42:03
they have really kind of like the series to this is that you
01:42:06
have a, you have a group of people.
01:42:11
Like I said in the beginning, when we first started covering
01:42:13
this, I think some of them have ulterior motives as to why they
01:42:17
don't like the series. Yeah, I've been like to show
01:42:21
because people were still posting, this is why I think
01:42:25
they've been casted. These are all the different
01:42:27
people who should have been casted for this.
01:42:29
You know, they were still doing casting things like oh, you
01:42:33
know, I don't think she's a good egwene.
01:42:35
They should have put this person and, you know, of course, I'm
01:42:39
not going to put the militant head on, but I'm just saying we
01:42:43
get it. A lot of, a lot of people have,
01:42:45
they may not be aware of it or cognizant of it.
01:42:48
But that's sort of one of the things that don't really, they
01:42:51
don't like about the series and big these ones.
01:42:54
They either aren't aware of it or they don't want to say it out
01:42:56
loud. Anybody who knows?
01:42:58
That believe me, they are aware of it.
01:43:00
Some of them are some people who just they want the books, to be
01:43:04
portrayed a specific way on the screen exactly how I use them.
01:43:08
Book and they don't understand that you can't do it that way.
01:43:10
Imagine imagine how I feel when they did The Dresden series.
01:43:14
Even though I love Paul Blackstone, imagine how I felt,
01:43:17
okay, we got one season addressed and it wasn't bad, but
01:43:20
it wasn't great. Okay?
01:43:23
Those people actually think they disable that Facebook group
01:43:26
because it was just that bad. Okay.
01:43:28
Wow. So I mean the new groups fine
01:43:31
but yeah, it any type of book that you read like the
01:43:36
experience that I didn't read the expanse until the show. you
01:43:38
know, I watched the show for five episodes, oh, it's a book
01:43:42
series went, and I got the books, but the, the way that
01:43:47
they have followed the books and the way that they cast, the
01:43:50
characters like say Naomi Nagata or a mass murderer, they
01:43:55
basically found actors that were very, very close to the way that
01:44:00
they should look in the book, even down to Bobby and I will
01:44:04
sorry, and all that, but most of those characters and expands our
01:44:07
plc's, He's okay, so going in, they had a certain look and
01:44:14
coming out of it by the end of the first season, they were
01:44:18
like, okay, this is Naomi Nagata, this is James Holden,
01:44:21
you know, this is a was spurting, you know, this is
01:44:23
Alice come all and it was locked and they haven't had any issues.
01:44:27
The only issues they've had is with the belcher's, with the OPA
01:44:31
and how the tattoos and the symbols and all the Bell Watson.
01:44:34
All that is different, so that's what they get into but they
01:44:37
don't get Into color or colorism because they were told at the
01:44:43
gate, they only got it. African African to say, Ivo,
01:44:48
sorrow Asian Indian right? Okay, so they don't have that in
01:44:53
that group, but this group and other fantasy groups They don't
01:44:59
come out and say that such and such and such should be a
01:45:02
redhead, but they did an surrounded enough to get
01:45:06
themselves banned for a couple days or a couple of hours.
01:45:09
Then they come back in, they apologized, the adven, they're
01:45:13
good for two weeks and then they go off again.
01:45:16
And, you know, it's like you can either ignore it.
01:45:19
You could unlike the group or you could just go past their
01:45:23
posts and go on to something else, it's like keep it moving.
01:45:25
So this is a problem that fantasy Has is because
01:45:29
everything is not like it was say, even 10 years ago, where's
01:45:33
everybody in the cast was all white.
01:45:35
Now you've got everybody, which is awesome.
01:45:38
Okay. So the people who grew up with
01:45:41
Dungeons & Dragons, dragonlance Forgotten Realms, you know,
01:45:47
stuff like that, you have in your ear, the dark elf has only
01:45:50
dark elf, you know, you got this you got that they have to rewire
01:45:54
their brain or not to get on the wagon of this is what life is
01:45:58
going. From now on mmm.
01:46:00
Why am I waving my arms and pointing in directing anyway,
01:46:05
I'm saying so it's not us, it's them.
01:46:10
They got to get used to the fact that this is what life is like
01:46:13
for. Now on gotta get on the train or
01:46:16
if you don't shut up and move on, Yeah, I'm part of that like
01:46:21
shut up and move on. At this point.
01:46:23
I mean I know that there are some things that people will
01:46:26
complain about. I'm not I'm not saying that
01:46:29
because I mean if you guys listen to me and Anthony talk
01:46:33
about last year's release of the stand, the new miniseries we
01:46:38
complained a lot about what was made different to the source
01:46:44
material and also to the earlier version.
01:46:46
But also I feel like the things that we complained about Really
01:46:50
were important to the development of the characters in
01:46:54
the series. So that's one of the reasons why
01:46:56
we complain. But I mean, they did they did
01:46:58
some switches there to where characters that traditionally
01:47:02
were Caucasian were now African-American and vice versa.
01:47:07
And I don't really have a problem with that because it
01:47:09
didn't affect the overall storyline those types of things.
01:47:13
You know it I won't say, it doesn't bother me.
01:47:17
I love the fact that they're doing more Isn't ation the only
01:47:21
time that it will bother me is if you make a person a if
01:47:25
there's a specific reason why a character was written as
01:47:29
Caucasian and then they make them a person of color or vice
01:47:33
versa. Like if they're specifically
01:47:35
reason why a person of color character is cast as white and
01:47:40
and it messes up the story, then I would have a problem with it.
01:47:44
But for people to keep harping about the fact that these
01:47:49
characters, Who are written however, many years ago, think
01:47:51
about it, most of the fantasy that was written back.
01:47:54
Then, nobody Envision people of care, people of color in these
01:47:58
characters. You know what I'm saying?
01:48:00
So it's kind of like, we have to change with the times and I feel
01:48:05
like, if you are talking about a world that takes place, I'm not
01:48:11
sure what the time span is for will of time.
01:48:13
But obviously, there are you saw like, um, You saw like oh
01:48:19
Bridges or vestiges of time, you know, pastimes in this show, the
01:48:26
world is more diverse. So you can't tell me that in the
01:48:29
future. All of the characters are going
01:48:31
to be just all white. I mean I think Shannara
01:48:34
Chronicles was probably a good example of that.
01:48:36
You know what I'm saying? You can't tell me that everybody
01:48:39
who survived whatever end of the world is all one particular
01:48:43
race, that's just not realistic. And so the fact that they're
01:48:46
bringing in the diversity and Making it look like the world.
01:48:50
The way the world is now. It's a good thing, get over it.
01:48:56
This is what the world looks like.
01:48:58
You know, knife is, if it's storyline related, things that
01:49:02
people are complaining about oh they didn't do this in the books
01:49:05
if it if it changes the overall story in a bad way then yes I
01:49:11
don't have a problem with them complain about that but the fact
01:49:14
that this Series has now been out for several months and
01:49:17
you're still complaining about the fact that this got changed,
01:49:20
that got changes kind of like Learn to separate the two you
01:49:27
know, patient screen adaptations.
01:49:29
Almost never live up to the hype that other people created.
01:49:35
Now, if there's a okay, I'm going, I say all that and then
01:49:40
say this, so there was one page to screen adaptation that I was
01:49:45
looking forward to that came out.
01:49:48
So horribly wrong like everything that they did that
01:49:51
they change for the story was so Opposite of what happened in the
01:49:56
book, and that was for Beautiful Creatures.
01:49:59
It's a wireless series, The Caster Chronicles, I've read the
01:50:03
whole series. I was looking forward to it,
01:50:05
went to go watching the movie theater and I was like, what the
01:50:07
fuck was this? And they even changed it at the
01:50:10
end of the movie. So that one of the characters,
01:50:14
who plays a major role in screwing up, everything in the
01:50:18
other two books, they killed her off in the first movie.
01:50:21
Oh, I was like, yeah, that's not that and of Course it did
01:50:26
horribly at the box office, they scrapped any plans to do
01:50:29
sequels, that kind of thing, I can understand because you're
01:50:33
changing the nature of the whole series.
01:50:37
But if they would have made, you know Ethan and what's your name
01:50:41
black? It wouldn't bother me.
01:50:44
If they would have made him a different race, one to bother
01:50:46
me. Because as long as the story is
01:50:48
still intact. You know.
01:50:51
But anyway, we had to do a podcast about Peach, the screen
01:50:56
adaptations. I was actually thinking about
01:50:58
that wild Lori was making her little speech.
01:51:01
A few minutes ago. I said we need to we need to do
01:51:03
one of those worst page to screen the Percy Jackson, Percy
01:51:07
Jackson. Well, they're going to the third
01:51:10
movie is still supposed to come out.
01:51:12
Okay, let's save it, save it. Okay, really okay, yeah so yeah,
01:51:16
that that'll be one of our podcast suggestions for later
01:51:20
on. But let's close this one out for
01:51:22
episode 2 because I know we've gotten way off on tangent, but
01:51:26
any final thoughts for episode 2 of will of time.
01:51:29
I'm shut off or ran forgetting, the medieval version of covid
01:51:33
with the, with the BET fighting him in the esophagus.
01:51:36
I'm, I'm really, I'm looking forward to seeing how parents
01:51:42
story like pans out because, you know, at some point he's got to
01:51:46
tell one of them, what happened? So I'm looking forward to seeing
01:51:50
Seeing how that runs out. I want looking forward to see
01:51:52
how Matt's comments greedy ass gets caught out there with that
01:51:56
dagger like that has to be like something that's going to be
01:51:59
like really that's me something that, you know, he brought he
01:52:03
brought something out, that should have stayed in and it's
01:52:05
like this. Just like, you know how, you
01:52:08
know, but like black people would like, one two things like
01:52:11
you're yelling at the screen, like, what are you doing?
01:52:14
Don't do that. Put that put, that means it's
01:52:18
just, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing That pans out
01:52:20
because that's definitely going to be something that is either
01:52:24
going to help or hinder them. I'm thinking that whatever
01:52:28
Spirit where Spirits can ready to possess them with that dagger
01:52:31
is going to draw out, whoever is the dragon and that's going to
01:52:34
be that should be part of, you know, part of how that comes
01:52:37
out. Okay, then again it is my
01:52:41
theory. So you know it's probably not
01:52:42
gonna be enough but it's okay. Well, we'll see.
01:52:45
We still have what six episodes of this series to get into.
01:52:49
So we'll see how which of your theories pan out Mike for the
01:52:53
rest of the show before. Right now, that's it for our
01:52:56
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