#thewalkingdead #deadcity #TWD Maggie, Pearlie, and Hershel face betrayal upon their return to the group. Narvaez gives Maggie an ultimatum. Ginny chooses a side. Negan's attempts to help someone backfire in a horrible way. Tensions between the Croat and Dama become explosive. Narvaez ' lack of restraint leads to deadly results. Negan takes pride in a small victory. Hershel comes clean about the Dama. An unlikely savior comes to the rescue of Maggie, Hershel, Ginny, and Pearlie.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Casey and we are discussing season 2, episode 5 of The
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Walking Dead Dead City. And I Know Casey knows where I
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want to start in this episode, even though it takes place all
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the way at the end. But you know, Levias is dead.
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She is dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead.
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I was like, Oh yes, I was so excited when I saw that and I
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was like, I'm gonna bring that up at the very top of the
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episode. And I was like, no, I can't do
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that 'cause I got to talk about how she died.
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But I just want to say. How do you feel about it?
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Ding Dong, the bitch is dead and and the way that it happened,
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just karma chef's kiss, however you want to put it.
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Wonderful, lovely, enjoyed it. Five stars.
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Not a five star death. I'm just saying I have been
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talking since the beginning of this season about how I want the
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cheek to die and she finally got it in this episode and it was so
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glorious. It was so, so good, but so much
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bullshit happened before she got to it, so I guess we're going to
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have to put that on hold for now.
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We need to start from the beginning and talk about some
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other stuff so we'll get to it. But just so y'all understand,
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just from the top of this episode, I'm really happy that
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bitch is dead. I'm really, really happy.
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Really, really happy. Anyway, so let's start out with
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the Croat and his folks because how many times do we have to say
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y'all need to do better by security?
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Why is your dude out here smoking a cigarette with the
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door open? You had to look at it three
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times and I had to look at the shadow like is he sitting there
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with the door propped open? Why are you sitting there with
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the door propped open when you have valuable shit inside like.
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Is it only one person? Well.
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Up there, somebody with you? He was, yeah, he was one of the
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technicians, so I guess he just stepped out for a smoke break.
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But still, why are you going outside and the door is open?
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And ain't nobody looking now, ain't nobody like y'all need 2
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step verification. We need 2 step verification.
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Just getting our e-mail. Right.
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Why is there not where your back up be like hey I'm about to go
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smoke a cigarette and not. Only that in your in the city
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and in the the way that things are right now, you know that you
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have, I'm a sort of, you have a kind of sort of alliance with
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Bruegel, but you know that the other group is unaccounted for
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right now. You're outside smoking a
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cigarette. You see a walk, walk pass.
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And you just looking at him like, OK, no big deal.
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But you hear something in the background.
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Excuse me, Sir, You live in a zombie apocalypse.
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That is your cue to go back inside and shut the door.
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I don't care. I don't care if you think it's
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just a rat. I mean, you're in New York.
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I don't care if you think it's just a rat.
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You are in a zombie apocalypse, and you are guarding some highly
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valuable shit, or maybe not even guarding if you're a technician.
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But still, you know that there's something behind you that people
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are trying to get. Why are you standing outside
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with the door open and why are you even smoking near all of
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that? Like have so many questions.
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'Cause it's not real gas. So the fumes is like not Flint.
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I mean they still Flint but that's why he outside the door
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and I had he been inside the door.
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I get it. That fresh air barrier caused
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him not to explode fresh air in Manhattan 20 years into a zombie
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apocalypse. I don't think fresh air exists
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at this point. The fresher than inside air,
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it's fresher than in. OK, I got it.
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But again, with the security, what is going on anyway?
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We had this discussion with Hilltop.
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I think we've had well, yeah, we've had yeah, just just in
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general they are like so. And the bricks too.
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The bricks was kind of LAX on security as well.
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Like y'all are not taking. I've gotten too comfortable as
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the right. They've gotten too comfortable
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just like look, we will keep talking about Daryl walking into
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that warehouse. Oh my.
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God, let's. See if anybody's y'all have
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gotten too comfortable way too so but yeah, anyway, the the
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guard dies and some some men who come in, they they go in and
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they, they cut some of the wires.
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So all the lights on 6th Ave. goes out.
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And at first, you know, the way that they kind of show it
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throughout the episode, it's supposed to be like Christos's
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man because the Croat ends up finding a knife that belongs to
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Christos. I'm like, that's Bruegels man.
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Especially when we see Bruegels man show up in the park at the
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end of the episode and just kind of the weapons that they're
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used. I said, oh, no, that was
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Bruegels man. He was manipulating the
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situation. He was eliminating one of his.
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Yeah, I, I think that's what it was.
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I think Bruegels, man, they probably got the knife from
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Kristoff during one of the the one of the Walker fights.
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They probably won it off him because remember what Krista
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says? And later on in episode, he said
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the games got bigger and we started losing everything.
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He said we lost our weapons, we lost our food, we lost our home.
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That's probably where that knife came from.
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And Bruegel was like, OK, let me eliminate the other competition
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so that I am the only person the Dhamma can rely on and I have
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more bargaining power. I think that's what happened
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because when he comes when when the Croat comes into Christos's
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headquarters later on and he starts accusing him and Christos
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is like, I don't know what you're talking about.
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In a way, he did kind of look guilty because he he it was like
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he wasn't adamant enough about he don't know what you're
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talking about. But at the same time, I think he
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was looking at it like he was probably trying to figure out
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how this is gonna play out because you have Megan in here
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talking to him. And then Megan is like, oh, I
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see what you're doing. I see you trying to protect
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people, I'm trying to help you out, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. And then just at the part where
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Kristal seems like he's about to agree to fight in this war, this
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is when the Croat comes in. So Kristal is probably looking
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at them like, OK, let's see how this plays out.
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He's probably thinking that was a setup.
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'Cause when he said OK, 'cause he show was like, OK, when,
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when, when Croat came in and was like accusing him, he's like.
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He was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, I I really probably thought it was part of trying to
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get I have something against you.
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So be on our team, you know what I mean?
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OK, but. OK.
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Or he could have been, he could have been looking at them like
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now. Good cop, bad cop.
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Yeah, like, OK, you're this is the one that comes in to butter
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me up and then this is 1 who's going to come in and seal the
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deal. But I think also too, going back
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and re watching the episode, I also feel like Christos didn't
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he didn't react the way he wanted to react because he had
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people he was trying to protect. And if he would have popped off,
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yeah, who knows, it could have been shooting whatever you got
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women and children in the backroom back.
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Keep shooting your own children. Yeah.
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So I, I really think that he was just kind of trying to play it
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off like, OK, I'm gonna do whatever they want me to do so I
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can protect the people behind me, 'cause you at my house now
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in my home basically, right, And I don't have to go OK, because.
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I was really 'cause brutal is like conniving, very conniving
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and very yeah. And not only.
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At the end of the day, even though he agreed to be with the
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Dhamma and Negan, we know because he cheated that he he a
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liar. So if he, if he can do something
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that's gonna give him the upper hand.
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Cause at the end of the day he whether he say no conditions or
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not, he has conditions and he wants that methane.
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Right, so OK, OK, that I, I, I like that 'cause I, I honestly
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didn't even look at it like that.
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I looked at it as it was him and he's like, OK, I did it.
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And see, I thought about that the first time I watched the
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episode. I've seen this episode 3 Times
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Now. And something about that whole
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thing just didn't fit right with me.
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Because if Chris Doss is really trying to take care of his
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people, if he's trying to avoid war altogether, like he told me
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again, he was like, you guys, y'all trying to go to war.
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I'm not trying to do that. I'm just trying to make sure
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that we're safe, we have what we need.
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One, why would you purposefully go into the Croats place and do
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that? And then 2, is he really stupid
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enough to leave his knife behind?
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And those two things just didn't sit with me.
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It didn't, they didn't sit well with me.
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I was like, this is a setup. And then just thinking about the
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last episode, what was the last thing that Bruegel said after he
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killed Tony? He said, I still have a few
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cards to play. So I think he's manipulating all
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of this stuff to try to to try to put himself on the high tier
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with the Dhamma. Because I think that maybe his
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plan is still to try to take it over.
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Because, again, we've been talking about this for weeks.
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Like, who is the Dhamma? What is the Dhamma?
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Why is she so powerful? Why is she the one that's in
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charge? Because even in this episode,
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she comes off as haughty and mean and nasty.
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But when the Croat pushes back, she looks scared as fuck.
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So I was like, yeah, this is a act for her.
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Like she she's, you know, as long as she is putting herself
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out there like this and nobody is challenging her, she can
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remain at the top, She can remain in charge.
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But the minute somebody starts pushing back cuz the crow had at
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one point I really thought I was like, OK, he about to hit her
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cuz some of the stuff she was saying out of her mouth.
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I was like so unnecessary, so uncalled for because he's right.
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He was like, you save me, I saved you.
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I'm the one that's doing all this.
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I'm the one that gave you your empire.
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So you're an Empress with no clothes, girl?
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I fell out when he said that. And you had nerve to be talking
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about his suits. He know he'd look nice.
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He got all dog. He looked like a bellhop.
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At least he don't look like a fucking Walker.
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He's he's nice, he's clean, He doesn't have holes like.
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He was fucking. Stiffy and the guy was he was
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trying to do that to impress her.
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Yeah, bro. And then you cut him down like
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that girl. You will not deject this man.
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And *** is playing right into it.
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He's like she loved that rat more than she loved you.
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What I mean it, I mean it, it did kind of look that way
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because when when when the episode came on her with the rat
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and she was prodding him along in this maze, the way Megan was
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looking at her was like, fuck is wrong with her.
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And then just her behavior when he said that she treats the rat
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better than you, at least, you know, she cheers them all for
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getting a little thing in the maze and she gives them snacks
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or whatever. I was like, oh, this is how
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Megan is about to fuck them two up.
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He's about to sow, He's about to sow those seeds of distrust
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between them. Right click.
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But you know what? It's the Donna's fault.
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It really is her fault because she comes in and and again, I
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know she's supposed to be good at reading people.
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She ain't reading the room now because you don't see that ***
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Like even even at the point where you mentioned, again, you
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mentioned his family and when you're talking about the things
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you're doing, *** was like, OK, so this is it though, right?
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He was like, we do this, I get my family and that's it.
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She said that was the agreement was being the operative word.
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He said no agreement being the operative word.
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I was like, oh, she got to get it sooner or later.
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She's about to get it 'cause Megan is getting to the point.
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Was she working on the last nerve?
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Yeah, you you gonna quit playing in his face is what you gonna do
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right? Bide his time to make sure his
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family get their safe. But once they get there, if they
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get there, once they get there, but we don't know that she
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telling the truth or not. She could just be saying this in
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hopes of continuing to manipulate him, dangling this
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thing in your face. And if you don't do what I want
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to do, I want you to do then all and you know, all you gotta say
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is I got your family. She could not have his family.
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She could actually not have. But you know where at this point
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she been having them so many times.
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I want her to have them. I want to see them.
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Because other than that, because here's the thing, if she talks
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all this smack about his family and then at the end of all this,
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let's say well before what happened in this episode to
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Christos and his people, let's say she would have gotten
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Bruegel on her side. She would have gotten Christos
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on her side. They agreed to fight.
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You know, New Babylon comes, they fight to the end.
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And then after that, she says, Oh, well, by the way, you're
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fat. You don't think Lucille is not
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even going to let her finish that sentence?
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So for her sake I hope she does have his family even though I
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don't want Annie and Joshua to be in danger because yeah
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granted we haven't had a chance to to bond with them or whatever
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but still. Negan for better or for worse,
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he is now one of our people. Especially if you're looking at
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the the characters on this show. Even if he goes back to being
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the old Negan, I will be on his side because y'all drove him
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back to that. Even though he's told y'all time
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and time again he does not want to do that.
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So if y'all drive him back to that, then OK, Yeah, you did.
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It was done what you asked for. It is what it is.
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And I will be sitting there cheering him all like he'll
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everyone, every last one of them.
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Because they made you come out your, they made you come out
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your comfort zone. They made you someone that you
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don't want to be. All for their game, right?
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Because what are you really getting out of it other than
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your family? And then say his family do show
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up. Do you think he want to stay
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there with his family 'cause he's essentially A prisoner?
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So now you gonna make his wife and his kid?
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Who, who, who want to land like that?
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No. No.
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At least when he has sanctuary, even though he had no wife and
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nothing but he was able to roam and free, you know, be free and
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go do whatever he needs to do. He's not gonna take chances like
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that once his family gets there. No, he's he's not gonna do those
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things anymore. So what's the point?
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And even if he would, even if he like.
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'Cause at that point. And so his family arrives.
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Now in order to get him to do what you want, you have to
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threaten his family every time. And that's gonna get real old
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real quick and he gonna kill you.
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Especially because. You threatening not only his
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wife, you threatening the child, and then you got Annie, who was
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leading a whole a whole nother group and surviving and you
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already know him play about women and children.
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He don't. That's the whole reason why his
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whole attitude changed when he saw Crystal what Christos was.
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Doing so, you can't, you cannot dangle his family.
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In front of him Nope. To try to use them to make him
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do what you want him to do. That's that's probably the worst
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thing he could that you could use.
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At that point you really going to have to kill them.
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And if you kill them, oh God. I feel like I don't even know if
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he like I think he will re retaliate, but I think at that
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point neither will be done. He'll be like, OK, just just
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kill me, I'm dead. I don't care.
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If it gets to that point, he he either gonna be like kill me or
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he's gonna be extremely worse than he was before the all that
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charisma gone. Now I'm I'm just taking
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everybody out. I'm not.
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I refuse to have any other threats towards anything in my
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life. So if you even talk about
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threatening me, you gotta die. Don't play with a man's family,
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especially this man. This man actually knowing how he
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felt when he lost Lucille and now he had a second chance at
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another family and you threatening that.
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Especially when he left that family to keep them safe.
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And you gonna find them. And man, man.
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Right. And then what?
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What was it that she said to him?
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She said something to him about expectations exceed what the
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actuality is like. Yeah, I expected so much more
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from you, and you just aren't what I expect.
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Do you really want him to be this?
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You really want him to be this man?
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What? Leave that man alone.
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Like, I don't think you really understand.
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Like, yeah, I know you've heard the stories.
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I know Herschel may have told you what little he knows, but
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really Herschel is giving you accounts from other people.
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He's not giving you his his first hand experience because
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his first hand experience with Megan is nothing like anybody
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else's. Megan has.
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Megan has saved his life. He's always shown grace towards
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Herschel. He's always shown kind of a, a
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deference and a little bit of a respect and a lot of guilt.
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So you're not going to get the same Megan that that Herschel
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sees. No matter what Herschel told
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you, you're not going to get that version of Negan at all,
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even not even what I would say, maybe not even what the Croat
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tells him, because the Croat kind of had him like on a
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platform, on a pedestal. Yeah, but even even with
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Herschel's version of Negan, all he knows is what Maggie told
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him. He his first hand experience
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with Megan is him saving your damn life.
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So even if you tried to go based on Herschel, what what time?
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No now 3 times with that part in the part, but that wouldn't
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park. The yeah Oh yeah, it is 3 Times
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Now, yes. So even with that, you're all
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your interaction physical, other than seeing him in, in, in
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Alexandria and your mom telling you pay him no, man, all your
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physical interaction has been this man saving your life.
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So yes, he did this bad thing and he killed your dad, which is
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what your mom is harping on. But he continually showing you
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that he can fuck about you. However, that, yes, that should
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leave you torn because I should feel the way about you because
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of what you did. But you keep saving me.
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Yeah. So, yeah.
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So I I I wouldn't even really rely on Herschel's account of
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median. But I, I mean, I just feel like
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if that's what she wants to do and she wants to keep
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antagonize, she wants to keep poking that bear, let her do it
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because you see what it gets her in the end.
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It's not safe. It it, it really isn't.
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But you see what happens to her in the end.
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But OK, let's let's let's move on.
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Let's go talk about this. Let's talk about this meeting in
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a little more detail because Negan does go to Christos.
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Is it Christos? Christos, I think to try to
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convince him to join the dominant and he comes in there
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with the with the methane tanks. The dominant has explicitly told
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the Croat, no, you can't go over there, you got to fix your mess.
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Because again, lack of security, lack of security at the
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beginning of the episode, they come in, they cut your lights.
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So now you have to explain like why?
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Why were your people not securing this?
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Why? Why would they?
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Why the whole dark? Street.
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Right. Because here's the thing, if
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they can, if they can fool you that much to get in and do that,
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they can find ways to come into the main.
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Like the crowd was like, oh, that was just one substation,
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OK. But if they can get into one,
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they can figure out ways to get into the other one.
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They're right now they're testing to see how vulnerable
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you are, you know, And I'm sitting here, I'm looking at
00:22:22
this meeting in the background. Yeah.
00:22:24
Those guys who were at the beginning, they were kind of
00:22:27
dressed like Kristoff's people. But also at the end, Bruegel's
00:22:32
people were kind of dressed similarly, if you look at it.
00:22:37
But I mean, they're having the conversation.
00:22:43
Megan sees the kids and, you know, the women.
00:22:46
And of course, like we said, Nigga's rule, no women, no
00:22:49
children. We don't harm them.
00:22:51
So he's sitting there really trying to talk this out with
00:22:54
Christos. Like, OK, I understand you're
00:22:56
trying to protect your people. I get it.
00:22:58
This is what's going on. Maybe he was like, you can't sit
00:23:02
on the sidelines if New Babylon gets here.
00:23:04
Because even if we fight, if they win, who do you think
00:23:09
they're going to leave you alone just because you stayed out of
00:23:12
it? This is no, these people are
00:23:14
horrible. And as we see later on in the
00:23:16
episode, these people are horrible.
00:23:18
You're going to have to take a stand.
00:23:21
And it seems like Chris Boss is this far away just this much
00:23:27
from a grant. And then here comes the Croat,
00:23:30
all big and bad because you found a knife.
00:23:33
And not only that, we find out the methane tanks have been
00:23:37
going since they got in there. So he was planning on killing
00:23:44
them regardless, right? He just wanted to see, I guess
00:23:48
when how Negan was gonna play it and once Negan fix.
00:23:52
He want Negan to be old. Negan so bad he won't need him
00:23:57
to be old *** so bad. And it's like he, he, he, he
00:24:00
can't get what he wants. When Why do you really think
00:24:07
that if you get the old Negan back, he's gonna look at the way
00:24:12
you manipulated the situation and be like, oh, yeah, we cool.
00:24:17
Like you got the other guy. What was his name?
00:24:19
Victor. You got him killed.
00:24:24
You really think I'm just going to sit here and be like, oh,
00:24:27
yeah, So you were a you were a snitch and you were, you know,
00:24:33
the little devil yapping on my shoulder, saying all of this
00:24:37
stuff, manipulating the situation, giving, giving the
00:24:40
Dom of the means to to put me in this position.
00:24:47
And we supposed to be cool. That's why when he was talking
00:24:50
to the Croat and he was like. Look.
00:24:54
Why does she, why does she treat you the way she treats you?
00:24:57
Why do you let her treat you the way she treats you?
00:25:01
He's like, look, I don't like this.
00:25:03
I got your back and I was like, oh.
00:25:07
You ain't got no back. But he said I got your back, I
00:25:10
said. I'm way over there I.
00:25:12
Said he's going to do something sneaky as hell.
00:25:14
Thomas, I got your back. I said something ain't going to
00:25:17
be right. He got your back from the
00:25:19
parking lot, baby, listen. When she walked into that room
00:25:24
after that, that argument they had, like, you know, like I
00:25:28
said, her and the crow had kind of going back and forth, back
00:25:30
and forth. When she walked into her room
00:25:33
and she's turning on the candles and she's about to relax and she
00:25:36
sees that rat flattened in the floor.
00:25:39
I said that was Negan, but I thought he used Lucille.
00:25:43
It wasn't until the end of the episode where you see him
00:25:45
scraping the blood and the and the fur off his shoe.
00:25:49
I was like, oh, he actually stomped that thing to death.
00:25:53
But, but I guess, you know what, I guess Lucille would have been
00:25:57
too obvious. Oh.
00:25:58
Absolutely. So.
00:26:00
Absolutely. So, and he was trying to, I
00:26:01
guess he's trying to kill two birds with one stone.
00:26:04
He was like, OK, let me let me put her in the crow at each
00:26:07
other's throats, make them distrust each other.
00:26:09
I just don't think he had in mind what ended up happening at
00:26:13
the end of the episode where they actually got into kind of
00:26:17
like a fight and he throws her into a rack of clothes.
00:26:22
The rack of clothes falls on her, a wheelchair falls on her,
00:26:25
or some kind of chair or something falls on her, her
00:26:29
candles fall and everything starts to to catch fire.
00:26:35
That's the said I said, oh. Right like a Tetris board
00:26:40
sitting there screaming for him. You just told this man that he
00:26:44
is nothing without you and that you dragged him out of the
00:26:47
gutter and you should have let him die.
00:26:49
And now you come. I wouldn't help you either.
00:26:53
I don't watch you burn too. When he sat there, he was
00:26:57
thinking about it. He just got looked at her.
00:27:00
I said yeah, he's gonna leave her.
00:27:04
And he said he did. Church fingers.
00:27:08
Turn around and ran out the door and she's sitting there with her
00:27:12
arm in the air and everything around her is on fire.
00:27:16
I was like, you know what? I don't even feel bad.
00:27:21
I don't even feel bad. I don't think anybody felt bad.
00:27:24
I don't even think she felt bad. Right.
00:27:27
But it's gonna be interesting to see what happens in the next
00:27:30
episode because the Croat is smart enough, OK?
00:27:34
He is a smart man. And I feel like also earlier in
00:27:39
this episode, I think kind of what Michelle was saying, I
00:27:43
think the last episode, 2 episodes ago when we were
00:27:46
talking about whether or not the Croat would be a alpha, whether
00:27:49
he could be a leader. I think I saw a little bit of
00:27:52
that earlier because when he was talking about checking this and
00:27:55
checking that, and the guy was like, do you think such and such
00:27:58
happen? He turned around.
00:27:59
He said also, you think I was careless?
00:28:01
You think I left this like this? You think I would really do
00:28:03
that? And just the way he was walking
00:28:05
up on the dude now, the dude could have easily taken him.
00:28:08
He's young, he's strong, He could have taken him.
00:28:12
That joker was scared and it was like Michelle said, the Croat is
00:28:17
crazy. They know he's certifiable.
00:28:19
So you don't know what he's going to do and you probably
00:28:22
don't know what kind of strength is really there in that body
00:28:25
'cause when he put that guy up on, I was like, oh, OK, you're
00:28:29
certain of some authority here, Sir.
00:28:32
Good for you or. He can only do it for somebody
00:28:34
who ain't the Dom. I know, I know, but I mean
00:28:39
where? Where's the same energy?
00:28:40
Was she talking about your your fresh suit?
00:28:43
Where's that same energy? Would you say You look like a
00:28:45
bellhop? But it was just her and her and
00:28:48
Negan in the room with him. So those are the two people I
00:28:51
think who have seen him vulnerable.
00:28:54
So it's like, and also he's trying to impress her.
00:28:56
So he's not going to say nothing.
00:28:57
But if she were to do that in front of the other people,
00:29:01
because not I think about it, even if you go back and look at
00:29:03
the conversations that she's had where she's kind of berated him,
00:29:07
even when they've been around other people, she's never done
00:29:11
it out loud to the point where it's embarrassing him.
00:29:15
Some, like I think she has some idea like OK, I can push at him,
00:29:21
but there's a certain line I can't cross because I think she
00:29:26
probably feels like, OK, if I cross this line, he's probably
00:29:31
going to act as huh. What are you going to do?
00:29:34
Well, I mean, that's the thing though, she probably doesn't
00:29:37
know because the fact that he he went back at her not once, but
00:29:41
twice in this episode. And I'm not talking about just
00:29:44
turn around and you know, no, he yelled at her, he screamed at
00:29:49
her, he got physical with her and she every time she was
00:29:52
jumping, like I said, oh, that's what it is.
00:29:55
She's OK as long as she thinks she can control him.
00:29:59
But when he gets to the point where he gets pushed too far and
00:30:02
he starts showing his own temper, that's the Croat she
00:30:05
needs to be scared of because he may actually do something to
00:30:10
her. Yeah, like leave her ass burning
00:30:13
in a fire who can't even be mad at him for it 'cause I was like,
00:30:18
you know what? She she deserves it.
00:30:20
Oh, she, she deserves a lot. Yeah, she deserves a lot.
00:30:26
She even be mad. I was like, oh, to run Croat
00:30:29
run. So she deserves way more.
00:30:36
She should have had a better death.
00:30:37
I. Mean she burned.
00:30:42
It wasn't. It wasn't.
00:30:43
Quick, a house. And I know I'm just saying, is
00:30:47
she a witch? I'm just saying fire.
00:30:52
It's fire seems to be like one of the worst ways you can die.
00:30:58
And the fact that you can't do anything, you can't get up,
00:31:01
you'd look you're too frail to push the stuff off of you, even
00:31:05
in a situation of life or death. And the stuff, wasn't it one of
00:31:13
them? Right, which like this that fire
00:31:18
unexpected superhuman strain, I see some.
00:31:23
Motivation here. See, it's on the I'm looking at
00:31:25
the fire part right now. And yeah, she she could have
00:31:29
pushed that off of her. She could have scooted, did
00:31:34
something. Yeah, but he got down there to
00:31:39
help her a little bit. Then he was like, never mind
00:31:45
because in my. Thoughts.
00:31:46
I was like, so you're going to help her out of this fire just
00:31:50
for her to continue to treat you the way that she treats you.
00:31:54
And then when he had that look like, what am I doing?
00:31:57
I was like, OK, yeah, it's it's clicking for him now.
00:32:00
Yeah, like, hmm, I really don't have to do this.
00:32:05
And not so, yeah, I mean some other place I could be right
00:32:10
now. Exactly.
00:32:12
Like hell let me go change out of this bellhop suit.
00:32:20
I mean she told me I looked ridiculous let me go change
00:32:23
clothes. Look let me go try on to see
00:32:26
what suit is going to be good for a funeral.
00:32:32
I'm just saying he had a nice variety down there and they were
00:32:37
all in good shape. That's the only I'm looking at
00:32:40
them. She has on this nice black dress
00:32:43
he has on these suits. I'm like y'all just been just
00:32:47
keeping this stuff for what, a rainy day?
00:32:50
'Cause these clothes look impeccable Where what what are
00:32:55
you gonna get dressed up and win to 'cause I'm sure they rated
00:32:59
not their stores department stores.
00:33:02
He found, you know, he went shopping 'cause he ain't got
00:33:05
shit but time. So I'm sure he was out there
00:33:08
putting pieces. Oh, this go good.
00:33:09
But this and because say you look like a bellhop and then
00:33:13
remember was it last episode where he was like laying his
00:33:16
clothes out and make it. That was the beginning of this
00:33:19
episode. Was that this one girl 'cause I?
00:33:22
Was doing. He was.
00:33:23
Doing all of that while the while the technician was outside
00:33:26
smoking a cigarette. Let me tell you something.
00:33:31
That's why I say he was trying under that man's skin.
00:33:35
You got him irritated and you got you had him fucked up right.
00:33:41
You talked about one too many suits, degraded him one too many
00:33:44
times, and then when you see he saw bitch, you need me even most
00:33:51
of so now that the little thing now that you on fire.
00:33:55
He said you know what, never mind right and left.
00:33:59
And I can't blame him one bit. And now you a little crispy
00:34:02
cruddle, OK? Rest in pieces to the Dhamma,
00:34:10
'cause you deserves no peace. She deserve everything that
00:34:14
happened to her. Yeah, she deserve everything
00:34:17
that happened to her. She really does.
00:34:19
She's been waiting. It is.
00:34:20
It's been having her name on it. She deserved every bit of it.
00:34:24
Yep. Yes, she did.
00:34:26
OK, Speaking of people who got what they deserve, let's move
00:34:34
over to the park and. Go 'cause we got to talk about
00:34:38
this stuff. OK, first of all, I'm gonna need
00:34:43
Hershel to stop lying to his Mama.
00:34:46
Because if you know anything, when, when Maggie sat on that
00:34:49
bench and asked you about this, this drawing, you said it was.
00:34:53
You said it was a billboard. Yeah, that's right.
00:34:55
It was something I saw in the city.
00:34:57
Maggie is looking at you like you lying motherfucker.
00:35:00
But OK, I'm, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna give you just enough rope
00:35:03
to hang yourself. We don't see how this feels, but
00:35:06
they don't even get a chance to explore that 'cause when they
00:35:08
get back to the park, they're ambushed by the new Babylonian
00:35:12
team. Come inside.
00:35:16
Nevaez has, you know, she's taking control.
00:35:19
Where's Roxanna? Oh, she's been arrested as a as
00:35:23
an enemy of the Federation. When she decides that she's
00:35:26
gonna join us, then, then we'll let her out.
00:35:29
I was like you doing too much here we go.
00:35:33
You doing too much. And she arrests Pearly and
00:35:36
Pearly is like, what did I do? Oh, you're a traitor.
00:35:39
You know, when when you came back home from from Manhattan,
00:35:42
we threw you, you know, we we greeted you like a a hero.
00:35:46
You told us you killed the outlaw Negan.
00:35:49
And that's not true. Megan.
00:35:51
Meaning they look at over at Jenny and Jenny's just looking
00:35:54
at her. I said you know what?
00:35:57
I can. You need a whooping.
00:35:59
OK, I understand Jenny's pissed. I do.
00:36:02
I do. But you would do this to Maggie,
00:36:06
Even though Maggie took you in when she didn't have to.
00:36:09
She's been taking care of you for the last year.
00:36:13
She didn't have to. Unfortunately, Jenny is a child.
00:36:20
And I'm sorry, one track mind, you're not going to tell me this
00:36:24
girl is still 12. You are not about to tell me she
00:36:27
12. That's when the bias was like,
00:36:29
you can't tell me this child is 12.
00:36:31
She is not 12. He's not he's not old ass
00:36:34
looking kids. She if she is 12.
00:36:37
I mean, because they think about it fear The Walking Dead.
00:36:40
They was trying to tell us Morgan was eight.
00:36:42
I was like, there's no way this is an 8 year old child.
00:36:44
This is Jenny is not 12. If she was if she was 12 last
00:36:50
season and a year has passed, this stands the game that she's
00:36:53
13 now at least OK 13 to 16. You're 14 even give her 14 and
00:37:02
they have one track minds and unfortunately her track put her
00:37:08
on the fact that she want to kill me.
00:37:11
So she don't give a damn what we she don't give a damn about.
00:37:15
Nothing that you did for her keeping her safe all of the
00:37:19
times he protected her. She has a one track.
00:37:21
Talking about Maggie. I know, but I'm talking about
00:37:25
Jenny in general. I know.
00:37:27
She feels like Maggie lied to her about the corn or the the
00:37:31
feed what whatever she found in the fact.
00:37:34
So now she don't trust Maggie period.
00:37:37
All the subsequent things that Maggie has done to try to make
00:37:39
this girl realize, bitch, I'm on your side.
00:37:42
I'm trying to make sure you straight Jenny has a one track
00:37:46
mind first time. Her only goal, no matter what
00:37:50
need no matter what Maggie did, was I need to find me and the.
00:37:54
Other part of it is I feel like up until what happened in the
00:37:59
courtyard, I don't think she understood what Novias purpose
00:38:04
was like. I think she, again, if she's
00:38:08
supposed to be 12, she's very naive because I don't think she
00:38:11
thought that Novias would actually kill somebody.
00:38:14
And then she's sitting there in the courtyard looking all
00:38:17
horrified when she sees them put a noose on Roxana.
00:38:21
And she was like, and then once they kill Roxana and they put
00:38:26
Maggie up there next, now she's starting to look horrified.
00:38:29
But you don't even have time to look horrified because of
00:38:31
course, what what is their ritual when someone dies?
00:38:34
They do that. And they did it very loudly.
00:38:38
And you got walkers already at your gates.
00:38:41
Now here's the other, here's the other moment that I was like
00:38:45
y'all are stupid, y'all don't know what you're doing.
00:38:48
How the fuck are y'all the police?
00:38:50
Because you hang a woman, you take her body down and go lay
00:38:55
her on the ground and apparently you don't go through and and
00:38:59
stab her in the in the brain. No they didn't.
00:39:05
I said that too. Like y'all know she's gonna
00:39:08
reanimate right? Who does that?
00:39:11
Who doesn't do that? And, and maybe they thought,
00:39:18
devil's advocate, they thought, we don't kill that one, let's
00:39:21
kill this and then we'll just do it.
00:39:23
All no. Do you have you seen how quickly
00:39:25
some of these, some of these people reanimate?
00:39:29
I'm sure they have seen that at some point.
00:39:33
I'm just trying to say. No, they stupid, they stupid and
00:39:38
she big stupid because she should have been the first one
00:39:42
to be like, oh, we got to do this because what happened with
00:39:46
the with the other person who got grabbed in the trees when
00:39:49
they first got there? She got bit in the neck.
00:39:52
She died. What did they what did Novias
00:39:54
do? Stab her in the head.
00:39:57
So you already know is. Is that y'all not doing the
00:40:00
basic shit that you know to do? So yes, that's another reason
00:40:06
why she deserved what she got, because that same one that she
00:40:10
hung, that she didn't stab in the head was the one that came
00:40:13
back and got her ass. That's true.
00:40:15
She got exactly what she deserved.
00:40:19
But here you go. You got Maggie up in the noose.
00:40:21
Now you got the the the people all around moaning because of
00:40:25
Roxana's death and Novias. Let me tell you what one other
00:40:29
thing that really irks me about her character, her emotions that
00:40:33
she does like she does. She does these little hand
00:40:37
gestures that's supposed to make it seem like she's so in charge.
00:40:41
Like when Matt when she sent Maggie back out to go bring the
00:40:45
the the Croat and Negan when they were when they were closing
00:40:49
the gates, they had already started closing the gates.
00:40:52
So she does this like this little gesture telling them to
00:40:55
close the gates. Bitch, they already closing the
00:40:57
gates. You late and then when, when the
00:41:01
when the walkers are coming in and they start taking down like
00:41:05
Roxana's, people just literally sat there and let them come get
00:41:09
there. They didn't fight, most of them
00:41:12
didn't scream. And she sitting there doing all
00:41:15
this bitch, this ain't the time to die, right?
00:41:21
This ain't the time for gestures in sign language.
00:41:24
Open your mouth and tell them folks.
00:41:26
What are you trying to point? You may as well holla a move run
00:41:31
or something right at this point 'cause they there now then.
00:41:37
Then and on top of all of that, you got walkers killing all
00:41:41
these people. You got one that's grabbed Jenny
00:41:44
and then impaled her on a on the things similar to Rick.
00:41:48
Same thing that happened to Rick, but she got it in the
00:41:50
side. All of this stuff is going on.
00:41:54
You notice that Maggie is able to get down from the noose
00:41:58
because Jenny of course comes over and frees her because now
00:42:01
Jenny, because Jenny was looking at everything horrified when
00:42:05
they put Maggie in the news. Like Oh no, this is not what I
00:42:08
intended you dummy. This is why.
00:42:10
This is why children should not play grown up games.
00:42:13
What you thought? Was going to happen.
00:42:17
So Maggie gets loose. Jenny is helping her, you know,
00:42:24
undo all the rest of her restraints.
00:42:26
Here comes pearly. Herschel tries to run across to
00:42:28
Maggie because apparently at some point during this, the
00:42:32
whole execution thing, Herschel really realizes that he loves
00:42:35
his mother and he doesn't want to see her die.
00:42:38
So he's been trying to get at her, trying to get her.
00:42:40
He finally breaks away. He almost gets to her and then
00:42:44
Novias grabs him, puts him in a headlock and it had to be a
00:42:47
strong headlock because he couldn't.
00:42:49
I was sitting there looking like Herschel.
00:42:51
Now, I know you can do a little bit more than that, but the way
00:42:55
the way I saw her when she was pulling him towards the gate,
00:42:58
she had a lock on him. I said OK.
00:43:01
And again, he's a child. She's probably had training.
00:43:04
She's probably a little bit stronger than she looks.
00:43:07
So OK, I'll give it that. I'll give it that.
00:43:09
But you're so busy trying to keep hold of him.
00:43:14
You trying to shoot Maggie with a with a empty gun and then you
00:43:18
try to go through the crowd of the walkers and the dying people
00:43:22
with Herschel. I was like you are worried about
00:43:26
the wrong thing. I didn't think you're playing
00:43:28
through very well and I get it lot going on.
00:43:33
Your plans didn't go exactly the way you want it, but you are
00:43:36
worried about the wrong thing right now.
00:43:38
Having Herschel as a hostage to try to get whatever revenge
00:43:43
whatever later. Pass the walkers the The walkers
00:43:46
don't care about a hostage and they're trying to eat both of
00:43:49
y'all they. They and and they and they did
00:43:52
try to. Now she was fighting them off
00:43:54
and everything. But again, here you go.
00:43:56
Dumb decisions lead to dumb consequences.
00:43:59
Here comes Walker Roxana around the corner, and who does she
00:44:03
bump into first? That's who she should have been.
00:44:07
That bias takes a chunk of her neck, takes a chunk of her face.
00:44:14
Then you got other walkers coming to her and and and she's
00:44:19
dinner and the rest of them, Pearly Jenny, Maggie and
00:44:25
Herschel, they run back into the, you know, back into the
00:44:29
cafe and they're sitting there. And then Herschel.
00:44:35
OK, I will say this again. Logan Kim with his face.
00:44:41
He was. It's like he was talking to
00:44:43
Maggie and then all of a sudden his face took on that dreaming
00:44:46
look when he started telling her about the Dhamma.
00:44:51
It's like he's looking at her. Yeah, there was this woman and I
00:44:54
should have told you about her. I'm sorry.
00:44:55
And Maggie was like, what is it about her?
00:44:57
Does she have a hold on you? He was like, she was just nice.
00:45:01
And she look and and he literally she was nice and she
00:45:04
just she. Just.
00:45:06
You know, like he looked hypnotized, but it was so it was
00:45:14
so painful to see Maggie's facial reactions because he was
00:45:17
like, she was really nice. She just wanted to talk.
00:45:21
And Maggie was like, what did y'all talk about?
00:45:23
She just wanted to know things about me.
00:45:25
And Maggie's face look horrified, like, Oh my God, I
00:45:27
never did that. Yeah, we know, we know.
00:45:30
But when this is not about to be a bash Maggie session, we I'm a
00:45:34
I'm a. Leave her alone a little bit.
00:45:36
We already know Maggie has dropped the Herschel ball.
00:45:39
Yeah, we know it. So we're not, We're not going
00:45:41
largely, we're not going to keep parking on it, especially since
00:45:45
she literally narrowly escaped the news today.
00:45:48
We're going to give her a reprieve for maybe an episode.
00:45:51
We'll see what the next episode is, and then we'll go from
00:45:53
there. But he's telling her.
00:45:56
Yeah, You know, she was telling me about her plans for the city,
00:45:59
and I don't know, I guess I found it inspirational.
00:46:02
She wanted me to help protect it.
00:46:04
And then Maggie's like, did you set that fire?
00:46:07
He was like, yeah. And then you you find out what
00:46:10
his train of thought was. He was like, I didn't realize
00:46:13
all those people were there because, again, they were
00:46:16
conscripting people from other communities.
00:46:19
So he probably didn't realize there were that many people that
00:46:21
he was like, I was just going to set the fire, grab you and Jenny
00:46:24
and we could and we could leave, he said.
00:46:27
But all those people, when I saw all of those soldiers come out
00:46:31
the water, you he felt guilty about that because he was like,
00:46:35
OK, I basically just contributed to the deaths of these people,
00:46:40
which technically speaking, yes, but also no.
00:46:44
No, no, no. He gotta know.
00:46:46
He he's not stupid. So he had to know that something
00:46:52
was going to happen. But I don't think he expected
00:46:55
that happened. No, no, see, yes, he, he, he
00:47:00
does expect that to happen because the way that he's
00:47:03
hypnotized, the way that he's in in, in, in her graces, he knows
00:47:10
her bigger plan. He so he knows that there's
00:47:14
something more. Yeah.
00:47:16
We can't say that. Oh, he don't know.
00:47:18
Yeah, he know 'cause. Maybe he didn't know at that
00:47:21
time because remember, he just sent this signal.
00:47:23
He's seen her since then, So what?
00:47:26
He could have learned something different by then.
00:47:28
But I think I think he was sincere when he said I I wasn't
00:47:32
expecting all of those people. I just wanted to grab you and
00:47:35
Jenny and go home. So when I say it's not all his
00:47:40
fault, part of that blame does lay with New Babylon too.
00:47:45
Because who the fuck told y'all to go on a boat?
00:47:47
Like Maggie kept telling y'all, This is not smart.
00:47:51
They're going to know we're coming.
00:47:52
They already, she told them they already know we're coming.
00:47:59
So I no, I'm not going to lay all of that on Herschel's feet
00:48:02
because new Babel, new Babylon again, I will say it.
00:48:05
These are some dumb folks because Maggie literally sat
00:48:10
there and told them he already knows you're coming.
00:48:14
He. Did he did.
00:48:16
So I'm not going to lay that at Herschel's feet and even even.
00:48:21
But no part of that is his fault.
00:48:23
I wouldn't put all of it at his feet, but there is a partiality
00:48:26
where he knows there's consequences to them.
00:48:32
So no, it's not all, but he, he probably got a fourth, a fourth,
00:48:36
a fourth. Also, we got to think about
00:48:38
this. This is a.
00:48:39
This is a child child. This is an emotional child, This
00:48:43
is a traumatized child. So there's a lot of things.
00:48:47
This is a, a child who has been manipulated.
00:48:50
So, you know, I mean, I know, I know.
00:48:54
I'm just saying I, I really felt like at that point he was kind
00:48:58
of sincere. But then then his face again
00:49:00
took on that little dreamy look. And like you said, it was like
00:49:04
he was in a trance when he was talking about her.
00:49:07
So I don't know what she did. She could have hypnotized him
00:49:12
and being like, OK, so this is this is how you are.
00:49:14
Anytime you think of me or anytime you speak of me or
00:49:16
something, something, whatever, we don't know, you could be, I
00:49:19
mean, absolutely correct. You are, you are, but it's
00:49:26
whatever it is something. It's something because I, I
00:49:31
mean, like I said, his face changes so drastically when he
00:49:37
talks about her. So, but at least at least he
00:49:43
knows he don't want his Mama dead, even though he, you know,
00:49:46
he has had his moments where he treated her like an asshole.
00:49:50
He doesn't want his Mama dead. And he realizes, OK, you know
00:49:53
what? Some of these people stupid,
00:49:56
they're, they're, they're dangerous.
00:49:58
And I mean, he even said that the Dhamma said that about oh,
00:50:02
and that's the other thing he said she said that about New
00:50:05
Babylon. She said that they were
00:50:06
dangerous and it's almost like she and he stopped and I was
00:50:11
like, it's almost like she would like, I wonder if she has some
00:50:16
kind of connection to them or had a connection to them because
00:50:21
the way he started that census off and he just kind of broke
00:50:23
off. He said that's she said New
00:50:26
Babylon was dangerous. It's almost like.
00:50:28
He knows way more than what he letting on.
00:50:32
Yeah, he didn't want her for a reason.
00:50:35
Watch out for your goddamn son. We playing you?
00:50:39
You want to believe that Herschel is this great kid?
00:50:42
The girl. No, I mean, I know I don't.
00:50:45
And I mean, I'm not saying he's not a great kid, but no, he I
00:50:48
mean, but he's not by his own admission and by by what we see
00:50:52
of him. And Maggie even knows that he's
00:50:54
not a great kid. Like like I said, Maggie knew
00:50:57
from jump that he was the one that set that fire.
00:51:00
Now, she may not have known why he said it, but she knew he said
00:51:04
it. Now was it?
00:51:07
Was it to be used as a distraction for him and Maggie
00:51:10
and Jenny to leave? Maybe we'll.
00:51:13
At this point now, I don't think we'll ever know.
00:51:16
But she knows. That he unless he, well, he
00:51:21
don't know the diamond did yet. No right.
00:51:26
Maybe once he knows she did, he'll tell his Mama.
00:51:28
What the fuck? Cause 'cause would would the
00:51:31
death break the hold? See, that's the thing it if if
00:51:36
it's something like hypnotism or whatever, brainwashing possibly,
00:51:41
but I don't know, I feel like even if she's dead, even if he
00:51:46
finds out that she's dead, I still feel like part of him will
00:51:51
keep that from Maggie because it's something just for him.
00:51:56
You know what I'm saying it and and he doesn't.
00:51:59
He hasn't had a lot of anything that was just for him in his
00:52:04
life. That's what I think that's one
00:52:05
of the reasons why the Dhamma stood out for him so much,
00:52:09
because she gave him things that were only for him.
00:52:13
She gave him a room, a whole. Elevator room A.
00:52:15
Whole a whole elevator that she she recreated into a room, she
00:52:20
included artwork and things that would, you know, that would
00:52:24
interest him because she really paid attention to him as a
00:52:28
person and not him as an extension of someone or him as
00:52:33
a, you know, right with that experience, right, right.
00:52:40
So I don't know. But the other thing is how is he
00:52:45
going to react when he finds out she's dead?
00:52:48
Because if he's that attached to her and he finds out she dies,
00:52:55
is he going to like blame his mom, you know, and them for
00:52:59
coming back or I, I just, there's so many pieces to, to
00:53:04
this little weird relationship between the two of them.
00:53:08
And it's kind of like, OK, so how will that affect things when
00:53:13
he realizes, oh, this is what happened to her?
00:53:16
If he realizes or if he somehow finds out that *** was behind
00:53:20
all of that? Because like, like I said, at
00:53:22
the end of the episode, we see Negan sitting in his little
00:53:26
prison cell or his little crypt, whatever you want to call it,
00:53:29
and he's cleaning her and and blood out of the shoe.
00:53:34
He was stomping that rat hard because he got that stuff all up
00:53:37
in the shoe, but he's sitting there scraping that stuff off.
00:53:41
So he basically was the architect of of that whole
00:53:44
thing. You know, he put that wallet
00:53:47
mistrust in between the dama and the Croat caused them to lash
00:53:51
out at each other, which ended up turning a little physical,
00:53:54
which ended with, you know, the Croat slamming her into the
00:54:00
things, her falling to the ground, things falling on top of
00:54:03
her, her room catching on fire. And now she's, you know, burnt,
00:54:07
burnt to a crisp BBQ. So, I mean, yeah, so I, I don't
00:54:14
know, the, the next few episodes are going to be interesting to
00:54:17
see what the fallout of that is, not just for Herschel, but also
00:54:25
with the Croat and with Negan. Because now the Croat is going
00:54:30
to I, I know he's going to feel a little guilty, even though,
00:54:33
yes, I let her burn on purpose and she probably deserve it.
00:54:37
He's still probably going to feel guilty because, again, he
00:54:39
feels grateful to her because she did save him, you know?
00:54:44
But at the same time, is he gonna sit there and think about
00:54:48
it long enough to realize that Negan was involved in that?
00:54:54
You know, I don't know if he's. Gonna, he's gonna figure it out.
00:54:56
He's not stupid. Yeah, he not stupid.
00:55:00
He's going to know that it was Negan.
00:55:04
Whether he see him cleaning the shoe while he catch him at, you
00:55:07
know, mid scraper, he's gonna know 'cause he know he didn't
00:55:11
kill the rat. And who else can get that close
00:55:15
to Dhamma to do anything? Right.
00:55:19
You know what I'm saying? 'Cause he had to do it when she
00:55:21
wasn't in the room. Of.
00:55:24
Course, so yeah, he had to be able to have access to it
00:55:29
because I don't think if she was in there, she obviously she
00:55:33
doesn't have to. Nothing to let nothing happen to
00:55:35
that damn rat. She loved that rat.
00:55:36
But OK, then we going back to the whole question of security,
00:55:40
why do you not have people guarding your rooms, even if it
00:55:43
was just for the not, not even just for the rat.
00:55:47
Those are your quarters. Yeah.
00:55:50
You're the person that's in charge.
00:55:53
Everybody in your, everybody in your group can't be happy with
00:55:58
the way things are. You know, there's got to be at
00:56:00
least one person who may want to go in there, maybe do something,
00:56:04
maybe whatever. Even if it's Megan.
00:56:07
Megan, you've been antagonizing this motherfucker for a year.
00:56:12
You really going to leave your room unguarded and unprotected
00:56:17
to the point where anybody can get into that room?
00:56:20
Could be waiting for you, could be waiting behind the door for
00:56:24
you to come in. What is with these people and
00:56:26
the lack of? Security, they're comfortable.
00:56:30
They think nobody's gonna come into their domain and do
00:56:34
anything to them. Oh well, I guess.
00:56:37
She'll honestly, no, she won't learn.
00:56:39
But you know what she learned today the hard way?
00:56:45
She learned that the girl I said fuck you, bitch, and and did and
00:56:52
did he? He did not care, but he said
00:56:58
who's gonna check me, right? And he got the hello.
00:57:02
He said this is for talking about my suit.
00:57:08
He really mad about this suit. Really mad.
00:57:09
About this suit, he might have been more.
00:57:12
Look, he might have been more insulted about the No, I, I
00:57:14
won't even say that. All joking aside, he was really
00:57:17
pissed off when she was like, how could you do this after all
00:57:23
the work I've done? He was like, the work you've
00:57:26
done. What am I?
00:57:29
He's like a rat. Oh, no, I'm less than a rat.
00:57:32
She was like, we'll finish this conversation when you're more
00:57:35
yourself. I said, ah, he scared her
00:57:38
because she was sitting, she was shaking, and then she had to
00:57:40
collect herself. We'll have this conversation
00:57:43
when you're more yourself. I was like.
00:57:47
And all it all it took was that little seed from *** She loved
00:57:50
that rat mother, she loved you, 'cause he already feels shitty,
00:57:53
'cause you don't talk about his suit.
00:57:55
Somebody look like a bill. Look like no, I put this shit
00:57:59
on. But not even just that.
00:58:01
It's, it's the little microaggressions that she's been
00:58:03
doing. I don't even know if I want to
00:58:05
call a microaggression. She's been very, very
00:58:07
aggressive, you know, having him drive her around, which he
00:58:13
probably doesn't mind as long as Negan was in the front seat.
00:58:16
But no, you invite Negan to sit in the back seat.
00:58:19
So now you you make him a chauffeur.
00:58:22
You basically are telling him you you have you go to Bruegels.
00:58:26
He might help her. Yeah, you go.
00:58:28
Well, not not even that. You go to Bruegels and your
00:58:33
comment to Negan is he's too emotional, he'll fuck this up.
00:58:36
So I need you to keep him alive. You basically are are letting
00:58:40
everyone know. Oh, yeah, he has a babysitter.
00:58:43
Like how? How many things do you think you
00:58:47
can do to him? And how many times do you think
00:58:49
you can insult him? Oh, he say.
00:58:51
Before he says burn bitch. Burn this go inferno.
00:58:57
Right. It well, it took this last time
00:59:02
'cause now she's a crispy critter.
00:59:04
You know, so yeah, so the diamond is is dead or burnt up.
00:59:13
Christos and his people are all dead except what was the Croat
00:59:17
said we. I let the women and children
00:59:19
live. How do women and children go
00:59:21
live with all the methane? That's my question.
00:59:25
But even if so, it they were in the backroom, the door.
00:59:28
Was I was gonna say they were in the backroom, but.
00:59:30
Even if that was the case, you've killed all the are they
00:59:34
protecting them? That was that was fending for
00:59:37
them taking care of them. I mean at least y'all see at
00:59:42
least y'all killed them and and and stabbed them in the head so
00:59:45
they wouldn't reanimate that part Thank you.
00:59:47
For that it's it's like a Oceanside.
00:59:50
Now you just have women and children, right?
00:59:54
But these are all little children, the women in that
00:59:59
room, toddlers in that room. The women gonna figure it out.
01:00:03
They're gonna have to, but we already, we know it can be done.
01:00:07
I know we, we look, we know it can be done.
01:00:10
It's gonna be hard for them to, you know, get to that point and
01:00:13
figuring it out, but we know it can be done.
01:00:15
Yeah, because the the problem is now you have you have enemies
01:00:21
with the Damas people or the Croats people.
01:00:23
Now I guess Rugal is still alive and y'all were at each other's
01:00:30
throats. Then you have the other
01:00:32
communities that we have that we've forgotten about since the
01:00:34
first episode. But not only that, you're in a
01:00:41
city that is closed off to the rest of the the rest of the
01:00:45
world, which on the one hand, could be a good thing.
01:00:48
But on another hand, when you are young mothers and you have
01:00:52
lots of children to feed, that doesn't leave you with many
01:00:56
options. It's not like you can leave
01:00:58
Manhattan with all those children because those children
01:01:00
are going to make you vulnerable when it comes to the walkers.
01:01:04
You know, you try to leave Manhattan, you're definitely
01:01:07
going to lose some of those kids.
01:01:10
So you're basically stuck now. There's almost no food because
01:01:16
again, Bruegel took all of your food.
01:01:20
He took everything that you had. So yeah, he I don't think he
01:01:26
really did them any favors in the long run, leaving them
01:01:30
alive. But, you know, I think, I think
01:01:35
that's the other part of Negan being pissed off and doing what
01:01:38
he did to the diamond because the Croat was like, well, you
01:01:43
know, she asked me to take care of it, He said.
01:01:45
Did she tell you to kill him? And the Croat didn't say
01:01:48
anything, so I think me was like, alright, I got you bitch,
01:01:52
I'm about to go kill your rat. And you know me, even at the end
01:01:58
of the world, what does me say? People are a resource.
01:02:01
They are. And he almost had him to where
01:02:05
he was going to agree. You, you didn't let me do what I
01:02:09
would sit here to do. Yeah, so now because.
01:02:11
You because you was mad 'cause you got showed up and then you
01:02:15
didn't even stop to think that. Oh, OK, why?
01:02:17
Why would this? Why would this man leave his
01:02:20
knife? Like, yeah, who would be stupid
01:02:25
enough to do that unless they wanted to get caught or unless
01:02:28
somebody wanted you to think that it was this person who did
01:02:31
it. You didn't even investigate.
01:02:34
Good. No, you just went off emotion.
01:02:37
I mean, it's, it's what the Donna said.
01:02:39
A lot of the what the Donna says I don't agree with, but I do
01:02:43
agree with her on some of her assessments of the Croat.
01:02:46
He's very emotional. He doesn't really think before
01:02:49
he acts when he is emotional. Now if he's thinking about the
01:02:52
sciency stuff and all that, Oh yeah, he can sit here, he can
01:02:56
strategize. He can do this, do that, put
01:02:59
some emotion into it. He ain't good for shit out the
01:03:04
window and we see that in this episode.
01:03:07
So but like I said, you got the diamond dead.
01:03:12
You have you have Maggie Pearly, Herschel and Jenny.
01:03:19
Now with Bruegel, because Bruegel is the one who comes to
01:03:22
the park. They kill all the walkers, his
01:03:24
people kills all the walkers. And so now what is he going to
01:03:29
do? Is he going to use them against
01:03:32
the the Dhamma and the Croat? Because I'm going to assume
01:03:38
Bruegel seems like the type of person was very resourceful.
01:03:41
So he probably has figured out there might be some kind of
01:03:44
connection between Megan, Maggie and Herschel.
01:03:48
Even if you've heard he's heard it from other people.
01:03:50
Because I'm assuming he has to have a spy somewhere within the
01:03:55
Dhamma's camp. He has to.
01:03:59
Somebody who's able to tell him about the goings ONS and stuff
01:04:03
like that. There's a spot period if they
01:04:05
was able to get into the God damn park, the not just the
01:04:10
park, but getting into the park, getting into the, the, the
01:04:14
satellite, like, like he, he, he has remember 'cause I think he
01:04:19
had said something about the people going into the park.
01:04:23
So he got people just watching. He knew.
01:04:26
Yeah. So, so he, he, he already
01:04:30
sneaking in, having a watchful eye, 'cause I'm sure he has
01:04:34
spies out trying to find out where the methane is.
01:04:36
Absolutely. So it's, it's not even if they
01:04:40
are at the park. He had people more than just at
01:04:42
that park more 'cause yes, it's a satellite place, but I need
01:04:46
the main source, right. So even if he knew where the
01:04:50
satellite, the substation, the substation, even if they knew
01:04:57
where the substation was, yeah, I still need to get control of
01:05:01
the main. Because then I can control them
01:05:04
too, correct? Yeah, yeah.
01:05:06
But that's going to be up in the air now because the dime is
01:05:10
dead. Well, everybody don't know that
01:05:12
yet. But if he has a spy in her camp,
01:05:15
if he'll find out, he'll he'll find out quick enough.
01:05:19
But then now in some sort of way you can go have to step up
01:05:24
'cause if your family on the way, you have to be prepared for
01:05:30
them. Yeah, not going to let nothing
01:05:32
happen to them. And he definitely is not going
01:05:34
to follow the Croat and he's not going to follow the Croat.
01:05:37
So yeah, he know he and then he's not going to leave.
01:05:44
He not just going to leave either.
01:05:45
Especially not knowing for sure where Annie and Joshua are.
01:05:51
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:53
So the next few episodes are about to get very interesting.
01:05:56
Yes. They are.
01:05:58
Mm Hmm. So how many episodes are in the
01:06:00
season? Was it 811?
01:06:01
Eleven. Hold on.
01:06:05
Maybe No 10, I think. I don't.
01:06:08
I don't remember. I'm sorry.
01:06:09
It's 8. It is 8.
01:06:11
OK, OK. My.
01:06:14
My AMC says 11 because it put the trailer and the recap.
01:06:20
Yeah, yeah, as episodes, OK, but yeah, so the next we have to
01:06:26
five. Yeah, next few episodes, 6-7 and
01:06:29
eight, they're going to be this. This one would be the pendulum
01:06:32
episode because something happened.
01:06:35
We got a climax. What happens after?
01:06:38
So whatever these next. So we got 6-7 and eight.
01:06:42
These next three should be action-packed drama packed.
01:06:48
Yeah, and we go now. You're about to fight for
01:06:51
territory, correct? You're about to fight over this
01:06:54
methane. Correct.
01:06:56
And. You have again Hershel about to
01:06:58
have some? Yep.
01:07:00
Yeah, so, and I think we mentioned this in the last
01:07:05
episode, but they did get renewed for a Season 3, yes.
01:07:09
So obviously the story was picking up or something enough
01:07:14
for them to say, OK, let's, let's move forward.
01:07:17
So I, I don't know, 'cause all the, all the people that from
01:07:23
New Babylon that came with him are dead now.
01:07:26
I know that they still got people on the mainland, but I
01:07:30
mean, right now it's just Pearly and Pearly very clearly at this
01:07:34
point I think is sitting on Maggie's side, you know,
01:07:38
especially after his conversations with Roxanna while
01:07:41
while they were locked up because she absolutely would not
01:07:45
capitulate. She was like, I'm not, I'm not
01:07:47
joining nothing. He was like, they'll kill you.
01:07:51
She said, oh, she said that's the problem.
01:07:53
She said, you think death is the is the worst thing that
01:07:55
happened. She said that's how they control
01:07:57
you. She was like, I'm not doing it
01:08:01
and she died for it, but. You said the next one to do it
01:08:06
and the next one to the best. You may well kill them out.
01:08:09
Just kill them. Now I know, but yeah, in a in a
01:08:14
in a season that hasn't had a lot of deaths, we had three
01:08:17
major ones in this show today because you had the Damo, you
01:08:22
had Nevaez and then you had Crystals who was supposed to be
01:08:26
like another leader. So I don't know what what else
01:08:31
are you going to? Are you going to kill the crow
01:08:33
at? Because I mean.
01:08:34
They're taking a page from the ones who live and killing off
01:08:37
all the people that don't matter.
01:08:40
But they've been doing it since Season 1 in this show.
01:08:43
That's true. They've been killing folks.
01:08:46
And even though, you know, we, we make the teaser about, you
01:08:49
know, when Rick and his people show up, everybody gets wiped
01:08:52
out. That did happen in this episode.
01:08:54
But it was not Maggie's fault. She just happened to be there.
01:08:58
Correct so we'll give her grace. We'll we'll we'll give her a
01:09:02
little grace. But OK, three episodes left and
01:09:07
then Daryl Dixon is coming back for Season 3 and a few weeks.
01:09:14
And then we did find out at last weekend during San Diego Comic
01:09:19
Con that season 4 will be the final season for Daryl Dixon.
01:09:25
So now. Better be a reunion.
01:09:27
There better be. There better be.
01:09:31
They can't get to no other. Way right.
01:09:34
But they also have the first I, I want to say the 1st 4 minutes
01:09:41
of Darrell Dixon season 3. They have that available online.
01:09:44
So they actually, I think you should still find it on AMC, but
01:09:48
they do actually answer the question of how they get from
01:09:52
England to Madrid. You know, they kind of give they
01:09:57
kind of give it. And then if you watch the, I
01:09:59
think the trailer, it also kind of explains it a little bit.
01:10:02
So I was like, OK, that's the one thing I like about the Daryl
01:10:05
Dixon show because, you know, all of us are sitting here like,
01:10:08
how the hell did he get to France?
01:10:09
Then they told us how he got to France.
01:10:10
So we were like, OK, I could actually see that happen.
01:10:14
So the way that they kind of explained getting from, because
01:10:17
they left France to go to England and then they end up
01:10:20
having to go to, well, they end up in Spain.
01:10:25
So we're sitting here like, why the fuck are they going to Spain
01:10:27
if they're trying to go home? So they actually do kind of
01:10:29
explain that and it's like, oh, OK, that kind of makes sense
01:10:32
too. So I like that about it.
01:10:34
So I'm very interested to see what they're going to do with
01:10:36
Season 3. And then after that, I don't
01:10:40
know what else we can expect because we don't have any other
01:10:44
Walking Dead projects in the mix.
01:10:48
Darrell Dixon and the Dead City are the only two right now.
01:10:53
I I did see an article that said they will not be bringing back
01:10:56
tales of The Walking Dead. Oh, they won't.
01:10:59
No. I like tales.
01:11:01
I think, I think part of the problem with that one is they
01:11:06
tried to do things a little too different, which I didn't have a
01:11:10
problem with. I I like seeing different
01:11:12
aspects of that world, but I think at this point, I don't
01:11:21
know The Walking Dead has always been very character driven and
01:11:25
character arc driven. And with something like tales,
01:11:29
especially if you have stories about characters that we really
01:11:33
don't know. And at the end of the day, it
01:11:36
one episode we really not going to care that much about this is
01:11:40
not going to work. So I mean y'all can always like
01:11:43
you said, give us a renewing in. Give us some more Rick and
01:11:46
Michelle, maybe in another, I don't know.
01:11:49
I wouldn't be mad at it, but I'm interested to see what they're
01:11:52
going to do. Or is this going to be the end
01:11:56
of it would happen? It would.
01:11:58
This is why I say it would have to be the end as much as we
01:12:01
wouldn't want it to be. It would have to be the end
01:12:04
because of the way the ones that it the ones that the end, the
01:12:07
ones that live in was who live in the because of the way that
01:12:11
they ended with them opening up the city, with them providing
01:12:16
aid to everybody. Why are we still fighting?
01:12:19
Yeah. What would be the point?
01:12:22
Because we know they're now sharing with other communities.
01:12:25
And if anybody wants to come in, we'll help you.
01:12:29
Yeah. Would be the point of going
01:12:31
anywhere else. It it at least in the United
01:12:34
States, right? What would be the point of going
01:12:36
anywhere else and fighting over anything?
01:12:39
'Cause you know that shit over there, 'cause the CRM us alone
01:12:43
with our stuff. Correct.
01:12:44
And we know the CRM has it figured out, 'cause they have
01:12:47
cars, they have tanks, they have airplanes, helicopters, yeah,
01:12:52
these things run on fuel. So they have the fuel thing
01:12:55
figured out. So it would make zero sense to
01:13:00
have another story where basically the ones that live
01:13:05
tell us how it all ends. Yeah, I would like to see some
01:13:11
kind of reunion, not just with like Rick and Daryl and Carol
01:13:16
Morgan. Morgan was on his way to see
01:13:18
him. I would like to see that.
01:13:22
I would like to see what happened with the younglings
01:13:27
from World beyond, because remember, they were on their way
01:13:31
to Seattle at the end of that show.
01:13:35
And Seattle was was the city that was about to be bombed.
01:13:40
And the ones who live, I want to see where their story is.
01:13:43
What are they doing now? You know are.
01:13:47
I think they would have to have basically one big ass reunion
01:13:54
show. And you know what, I wouldn't be
01:13:55
mad about that. You have you have Dwight and
01:13:58
Sherry who was talking about coming back and, and and redoing
01:14:02
the sanctuary. Of course, the sanctuary, the
01:14:04
actual location is garbage now. Negan saw that, you know, years
01:14:09
ago. But maybe they can go somewhere
01:14:11
else, do something else. Maybe, you know, there can be
01:14:15
some kind of reunion there. I mean, it's been years now.
01:14:18
Everyone has grown, everyone has done things.
01:14:21
I would really like to see Megan go and give everybody an
01:14:24
apology, like a heartfelt apology, because I feel like at
01:14:27
this point you can't just cast them out because everybody has
01:14:31
done some horrible stuff, you know?
01:14:33
I mean, even even with Dwight and Sherry, y'all left your
01:14:38
children with this Organism, your child with this
01:14:41
organization, and y'all were helping.
01:14:43
So it's just at this point I would like to see some closure
01:14:47
on all the characters if they're not going to do anything else,
01:14:50
but they still have plenty of room to do other stuff.
01:14:54
It's it's just a matter of what they decide to do and whether
01:14:57
it's something that we want to see.
01:14:59
I still wouldn't mind seeing Aaron and Father Gabriel.
01:15:03
Yeah. You know, you still can go
01:15:06
backwards and tell stories from that time in between.
01:15:10
Yeah. You know, so it it just it just
01:15:13
all depends. But yeah, I guess, I guess we'll
01:15:17
see. Like I said, Darrell Dixon
01:15:19
Season 4, that's that'll be in the end of that show.
01:15:23
I don't know if season 3 will be the end for Dead City.
01:15:26
I guess it depends on what kind of story they tell.
01:15:29
Maybe they'll go for seasons as well.
01:15:31
I don't know. But yeah, I guess we'll just
01:15:35
have to wait and see. So hopefully Michelle will be
01:15:40
back with us on the next episode.
01:15:42
You know, it's it's the beginning of August.
01:15:45
We're back in school. So lots of stuff going on.
01:15:50
Michelle's a teacher and then her and Anthony's daughter is a
01:15:55
senior this year. So they got they busy.
01:15:58
They busy, but she'll be back on the next episode.
01:16:02
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01:16:09
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