#deadcity #thewalkingdead #TWD Pearlie, Maggie, and Hershel discuss plans to go into the city. Ginny finds an unexpected ally. The Dama makes moves to secure the treaty with Bruegel, but tensions with the Croat may jeopardize the partnership. Negan takes matters into his own hands and works his way back into favor. Maggie and Negan have a tense reunion, while Hershel has one of his own. Maggie begins to realize the damage her anger has done when she is confronted with the truth about Hershel.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle and Casey and we are discussing season 2, episode
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4 of The Walking Dead. Dead City, otherwise known as
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Ultimate Fighting Championship Walker style.
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OK, OK, I'm I'm gonna start this off with a very simple
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statement. Bruegel is weird.
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He is. He is very weird.
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Eccentric. He's just, you know, Yeah.
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I like that word That's eccentric is better.
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It's eccentric. OK.
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I guess you just, first of all, you're keeping something in your
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in your room that you're feeding rats too.
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And something tells me that's not a Walker.
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Something told me that even before we got the reveal at the
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end, I was like, yeah, he was a little too controlled, right?
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Pulling that back, pulling that bucket in.
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Then he started munching on the rest and I was like, well, maybe
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it is a Walker. No, it wasn't.
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Not so much. Yeah, and it's like all
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throughout the episode, just different things that he was
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saying He, you know, when they're talking about the Walker
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and how he's winning so many, so many of the the little fights
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that they have with the other communities.
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And then when he started talking about his bodyguard and how even
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after everything, the bodyguard was still a lawyer, I was like,
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then where he at? And I was like, oh, you know
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what? I bet you that's the bodyguard.
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But I thought it was a Walker, right?
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I was like, OK, so Tony, the bodyguard probably died
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protecting him. And now he's using him as the
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Walker to do, you know, to do the fights.
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And then stuff just started not adding up.
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I don't know if it was something that I was just hearing or if
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you guys heard it too. But when he was doing the match
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with the the first other Walker they were doing, did you just
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like some grunt grunting noises and like like when he was
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hitting the other Walker? I didn't.
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Pay attention to that. I didn't either and I'm looking
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at it now. Like that sounds a bit human,
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but he moved. He moved a little like a Walker,
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but just like the other ones, I forgot who was, it was Megan.
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I think he was like, yeah, he moves kind of fast.
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He moves kind of quick. And I was like, well, we, we
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have seen some walkers move fast like that.
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Right. And Megan definitely has.
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He's seen one that like, crawled.
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On top of the trash. Can he was.
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Like, what the fuck? Yeah, so he's seen.
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So yeah, I was thinking, I said, OK, well, maybe he has one of
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those, you know, variant walkers or something.
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Was not expecting that. It was the actual bodyguard,
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like the human bodyguard. And I was like, this just made
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me despise you so much more. Like, I didn't care.
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Like his character didn't bother me at first.
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I was like, OK, yeah, he's a little weird, but he's kind of
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funny and he's kind of, you know, he's putting a little bit
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of a Comic Relief to the whole situation.
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I was like, OK, I can deal with him.
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He can, he can live, 'cause you know, I want everybody else on
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the show to die. After I saw that, I was like, Oh
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no, you need to die of pain for death, Sir, 'cause.
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You've been cheating this whole entire time.
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Yeah, the whole time you like, kicked the phone out of their
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home. Right.
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So I'm like, now we need to go back to there was another
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fighting episode. We need to go back and see if we
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can tell the difference. Yeah, I think that was the that
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was the episode where Christos lost that particular.
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He did. He lost that fight in.
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The museum. Yeah.
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So even he was like, some may right, Right, right.
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Because like *** said, this is a big Frankenstein type monster.
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Like something something's not right about.
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OK, so we know. But yeah, Bruegel is, he's weird
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to me. And I think, I think it's more
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so the way that he speaks because he's very obviously
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putting on this fake, you know, welcome and welcome and welcome.
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I'm like, dude just cut through the bullshit.
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This was that way in the beginning to remember how
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charming and charismatic he was. And it was.
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It felt then too, so. But it's not like we haven't
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seen it before, and we know. People gonna put on the little
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showy show, you know, I know that looks like but I want to
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know what he did before 'cause he keeps talking about yes, I
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was I was big and important before and and blah blah blah.
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What did you? Do Yeah.
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So what were you? What were you but OK, Speaking
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of what people were we finally find out what the dollar was
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before this thing. She's she's a biter.
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I really thought, what's his name?
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Pierce Milton 2.0. I really thought he was about to
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get killed. Baby, the way she looked at him
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like. She did not like being outed
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like that at all because he was like, Oh no, I know where I know
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you're from. And she's looking at him like,
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no, you don't. He's I was.
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Doing this research and block and you can see her face just
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change and she was like she and and she I don't know, she had
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some weird reactions too because she was sitting there like and I
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was like, oh, she about to explode.
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And she about to. Explode.
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And she was just like, I did him and it was just like *** sitting
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there looking at her like *** was getting such a kick out of
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it. And she knew he was getting the
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kick out of it because what does she do?
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She brings up Herschel and the fact that she knows that
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Herschel is there because he was the one that sent the smoke
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smoke signal. Which we knew.
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We knew. Yeah, we knew that.
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I mean, we knew it. I mean, it's one thing to think
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it and to kind of, you know, suspect, but for her to confirm
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it, Oh, I knew our guy was involved the minute he said that
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smoke signal. And you can see Negan trying not
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to, He's trying not to react. He's like, what the fuck?
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Like what did you do to this boy?
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You took his toll. He's sending you.
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So smoke signals. They're here on the what what is
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going on? What is going on?
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And he knows. I mean, he, he knows because he
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knows who the boy's mom is. And, you know, dama's like, very
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convincing and things. So he's like, yeah, OK.
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It's just not right. Little creepy, but OK.
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Right, like, OK, this is not right.
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He he's working with her. And I mean, but when he sees
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Maggie later on their first face to face, he's like, you can't
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trust Herschel, which I understand him trying to warn
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her. And he has a valid point.
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Maggie even knows that that something is not right with
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Herschel, right? But you really don't think she
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was going to take listen to that from you, right?
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No, there has to be a point where.
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Maggie always gonna have blinders on when it comes to her
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show period 'cause that's her key, like we all do when it
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comes to her children. We never want to serious kill
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them. Think it's the fact that she has
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blinders because I really don't think she does.
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Because like I said in that first episode or that second
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episode when she noticed the blue Bandit, she put two and two
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together and she's been asking him questions like, Are you sure
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the city doesn't have a pull on you?
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Whatever, whatever I think the thing that bothered her in this
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episode was the fact that Negan knew and she only suspected.
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You know, it's like how are how how are you?
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How do you know this? Like why do you know about my
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son? And I don't want to say she
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doesn't, but like I said, she. Is she's in denial.
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See, that's the thing. It's like she she does know, but
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don't really wanna know and don't really wanna come to that
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conclusion, which is like flashing lights.
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Flashing lights like, you know, and then someone else who hasn't
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even been around is telling you right, that he's doing these
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things. And you're like, Oh no, I do
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know, but I just don't want it to be true, honey.
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And then you see, and then she sees the Dhamma and she realizes
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that that finally Herschel drew was of a real person.
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Cause Herschel told her that it was just a drawing.
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He did. He didn't tell her it was a real
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person, even though if you look at it, if you know anything
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about art, you knew that was a real person.
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That was too realistic for it not to be right.
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But Maggie. But then it was the way that
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once Dhamma saw her, she was like, OK and.
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But yeah, I know you're here. Baby.
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And I think that's what that's probably what freaked Maggie
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out. She was like, wait, she just
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looking at me like she's not calling for anybody.
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She's not saying, hey, we have an intruder.
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She's looking at me like she. Already knew I was here and yes.
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And what you gonna do? Yeah, she probably don't know
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Maggie. Probably at that point, we know
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Maggie don't know the extent of the hold that Dama has on her,
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but Dama's looking at her like, even if she did know.
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OK. And what you gonna do about it?
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Nothing. Yeah, she probably at that
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moment though figure because they were in there and you know,
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Herschel was well, like, oh, I could, I could, I could cause a
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distraction or I could do such, such.
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I think she probably figured out like, oh, if this woman is real,
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then that's my, my son has seen her and my son went looking for
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her. I think those pieces are
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starting to fit together for her, especially after, you know,
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she has the conversation with Herschel earlier, right before
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that about the whole fire Firefly thing and whether or not
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his recollection of it is different from what she's told
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him all these years. And I think she's starting to
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really see how screwed up her grief has made her relationship
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with her child. It's like every time she's
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learning more and more and there are certain things I feel like
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she really isn't seeing. Like, when they start out the
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episode, Hurley, Herschel and Maggie, they are the ones who
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are going to go to to Manhattan to try to see if they can find
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out where the methane is. And they start going into, like,
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a lot of stuff from the old world because Pearly is like,
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OK, so the museum should be two blocks from here.
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Herschel's like, how do you know all this stuff?
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And that's what Maggie says, oh, he grew up around here.
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And Herschel's looking at him kind of curious, so they start
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talking about different little things.
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He tells them about his brother, him and his brother cutting
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school. And, you know, we used to pull
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the fire alarm. And it was so funny because
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Herschel was like, what's fire alarm?
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And then Pearly and Maggie and looking at each other like.
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Oh. Wait, he doesn't know.
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And then they're sitting there trying to figure out how to
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explain it to him, because they probably haven't had to do that
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before. And they're like, it's a, a, a,
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a noise. And you, you pull it like, OK.
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And then they start talking about other things.
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They start talking about candy bars.
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I think Pearly asked the question, what, what food do you
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miss the most? And so they have this
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conversation, He mentions the candy bars and they start
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singing the Kit Kat song. And I don't know if you noticed
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it. I think this was the first time.
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Herschel looked at his mom with a genuine smile.
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Because I don't think he's ever seen her be silly like that
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before. He has it.
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And and he, he's looking at her and he's smiling and she talks
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about the candy bar. And she was like, the last time
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I had a candy bar, I was three years in.
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It was my birthday. And then she kind of gets quiet
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and he gave it to me. And we know she's talking about
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Glenn. And immediately Herschel's mood
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changes. And I was like, Maggie, you just
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missed a whole opportunity here. You could have that could have
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been a moment for you to to talk about his father without the
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sadness. You.
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I mean, that was a great memory, right?
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It was your birthday. Three years into a zombie
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apocalypse. Almost all the real food is gone
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and you find a candy bar and and you could have you could have
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turned that into such a positive thing for her.
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So especially since you already know something's not right and
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you just, I was just like Maggie.
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What is it going to take for you to learn a lot?
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Cause her focus, it's like, but we said that before, like she,
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she can't, she can't see the forest from the trees.
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She don't realize all the damage that she's doing.
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You know what I mean? Her her focus is so vegan
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focused that you missing the the thing that's literally right in
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front of you. Yeah, that's how her she was
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feeling like I'm literally right here.
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Yeah. You don't tell me nothing good
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about my dad, Yo, You know, we our our focus has been on his
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death, never on how he lived, right?
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Y'all know Glenn was Glenn was that dude?
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Yeah, You know what I mean? That's the thing that she should
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be teaching her so how amazing her dad was.
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But you so focused on the way and the manner in which he died
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that, yeah, I don't think, I don't think even at this point
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she could try to explain the good stuff about Glenn to him
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and he would get it. I'm I I'm just sitting here
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really wondering if she even remembers now.
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It's been so long as you have. You have so fist of that long
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grief. Yeah.
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And, and also, you know, we, we were at ATL Comic Convention
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earlier this weekend and we, you know, we did our usual Maggie
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panel. And there was something that I
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mentioned, something that I thought about last week before
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we did the panel. We always talk about Maggie and,
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and her grief and how she's just kind of, she doesn't know how to
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let go. And I hate to say it, all of
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that is Herschel's fault because from a very young age, Maggie
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didn't know how to deal with grief.
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You know, she lost her. She lost her mom when she was
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very young. And what does Herschel do?
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Herschel goes out, gets drunk. He becomes an alcoholic.
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Maggie is pretty much left to fend for herself while she's
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grieving both parents. Because you're grieving your mom
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because your mom is not here. Now you're grieving your dad
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because your dad is just an absentee alcoholic father.
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Now things get better somewhat. He gets remarried.
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He has Beth. They have, you know, they're
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Sean. Everything is OK.
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Zombie apocalypse happens. Neighbors die, your wife dies,
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your stepson dies. And instead of dealing with that
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grief, you like everyone in the in the barn because you think
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that they're just sick and the government is going to have a
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cure and make everyone better. It wasn't until Rick and his
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people got there and shame forced them.
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Well, I won't even say shame for Maggie.
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Glenn was the one who told her this.
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She ain't right. This is crazy, this is sick.
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Y'all need to put them. Y'all need to put them out of
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their misery, bury them, move on.
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So I don't even think she knows how to deal with grief because
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she's never had a good example. And then, of course, once the
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barn happened, it's like everything just started.
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The dominoes started falling. You lose.
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Other people, you lose. What?
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What was his name? Otis, you lose.
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Patricia, you lose. Otis.
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Otis wasn't really lost. Otis.
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Well, but he was her family still, you know what I'm saying?
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And and she doesn't know the truth.
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She probably still doesn't know the truth about what happened.
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So it's been one thing after another after another after
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another, and she just don't know how to deal.
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Herschel was not a good example for her.
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And unfortunately, she's passing that on to her son.
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And not only her son, you got to see Jenny got a little bit of it
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too, even in this episode, because here's another child
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that is in your care that you're supposed to be responsible for.
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You don't even know this chick is running around with a gun.
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You know, just. But you know who does?
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What does she got a gun? Your favorite person in the
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world? It's the iro.
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I want her to die. I want Novias to die.
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I want her to die a painful death.
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Even though I would say she wasn't all that bad in in this
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episode. She got a little snarky with
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Pearly. And then I think she saw an
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opportunity with Jenny again. And you know what?
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It struck me. I was like, oh, this is kind of
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sort of how the Dahmer got in with Herschel Novius is getting
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in with Jenny, 'cause she's like, OK, you got my gun.
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But let me tell you the history behind this gun.
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She was like, you know, I was when all this stuff started, I
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had family all around me. And then everybody was gone.
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And I was by myself for a very long time.
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And then Governor Byrd found me. She gave me home.
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She gave me a purpose. She taught me the law.
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She gave me this gun. And when she finds out?
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To be an A hole too. Sorry, no.
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But you know what? She probably became that because
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she was she was back on her own for so long that could do it to
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a person. Or the power, but OK.
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That's that's something the power 'cause you see how she
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talks to take care though, talking, talking.
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To she's, she's just mad, 'cause he, she won't, he won't let her
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try to recruit those folks. But I, you know, when she's
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having a conversation with Jenny and she gives Jenny back the
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gun, 'cause she was like, yeah, you know, when people get
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murdered, there's supposed to be retribution.
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She was like, that's what Governor Byrd taught me.
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So where's the rest? Retribution for you killing all
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the people that you don't kill? But anyway, she gives Jenny the
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gun. Jenny turns around and she was
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like, hey, so you said the guy who killed your father was on
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the island. And Jenny just turns and looks
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at her and she gives her like this slight nod.
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She says what's his name mean? And I said God damn it like how
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did you even Why would you even think that that out of all the
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people why are you focused on Megan?
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Nobody else 'cause she always because that way she know that
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damn Pearly is a liar and a traitor.
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But why would you even think of like it's been a year, y'all
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haven't even thought about Megan, Why would you?
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'Cause everybody else thinking about Negan, so let's just throw
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his name in the pot. They all got reason to think
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about Negan. Everybody else.
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Who else could it be? I mean, that's where everybody.
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And especially, especially with Pearly, Herschel and Maggie
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being the ones to go off them, the ones knowing that Negan is
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the one to negotiate you. You don't think she like?
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Yeah, she, she might be smart enough to figure that out.
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I mean, I don't know how she couldn't even figure out how to.
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She couldn't even figure out a strategy of getting them on the
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island without including a boat. But anyway.
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She irritating, not stupid. No, she a living on the stupid
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side too. She is.
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She just happened to be a little smart in this episode.
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Like she saw some stuff was off and she's like OK but.
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That's gonna be a problem for Pearly.
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If Jenny told her to answer, that's good.
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That's about to be a problem for Pearly.
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For real. Gonna be a problem anyway,
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'cause hell, wouldn't he get picture on the?
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His photo was on the little one inside, right?
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It wasn't just his name. So anybody from it don't even
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have to necessarily be Levias. Anybody who sees him will know
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that Pearly didn't kill him 'cause it was like a whole
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warning post 'cause he. Was but everybody else is there
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in the thing. The only people who went to
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Manhattan was was Maggie, Maggie Pearly and Herschel.
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But no, no, no, I'm saying the people from New Babylon, they
00:22:13
was on that boat. They know Negan was wanted.
00:22:19
Yeah, but nobody, I don't think anybody else cares.
00:22:22
That. Whether he's dead or alive.
00:22:27
Well, they all about the law. They do care that he's alive.
00:22:29
That part 'cause if you told your people I killed me with my
00:22:33
own two hands, they'd have framed you, you the, you know,
00:22:36
the giant Slayer. And then they find out.
00:22:39
I don't. I don't know if there's anybody
00:22:41
else. Are there any other New Babylon
00:22:44
people? Because we know that there are
00:22:46
people that they conscripted from other communities.
00:22:49
Are there any other New Babylon people with her aside from
00:22:52
Pearly? Yes.
00:22:55
Who? Wasn't the mayor with them?
00:22:57
She the one who got ate by the tree.
00:22:59
Remember the woman I'm talking about?
00:23:01
Who's there now? Like who else is wondering about
00:23:05
*** Nobody else. Nobody cares about *** except
00:23:09
for her, and I'm guessing she's probably only thinking about
00:23:12
Negan because she's trying to figure out a way to get Pearly
00:23:15
out the way so she can be in charge so she can make these.
00:23:20
Yes, these people. So if it was her knowing that
00:23:23
Negan is alive, once she confirms that she can then
00:23:28
arrest Pearly and now she in. Charge, Yeah.
00:23:31
So it matter, it matter she want to be in charge so bad.
00:23:37
You know how people who and what gotta be in charge gotta be in
00:23:40
charge, you know, we all know them people I know.
00:23:44
So it, it matters to somebody, matter to her.
00:23:47
If nobody else it matter to her, 'cause then once she lock him
00:23:51
up, Oh well, why did you lock him up?
00:23:54
Oh, 'cause he said he killed me and he didn't.
00:23:58
But here's my question. I wonder if she's going to be
00:24:01
dumb enough to try to go after *** and once she is, once it's
00:24:05
known that he's alive, like is she going to try to do that so
00:24:09
that she can be? No, I don't know.
00:24:11
Her focus is going to be Perly. Yeah.
00:24:13
Her her focus is going to be Perly.
00:24:16
No, I'm talking about after pieces when she gets perly out
00:24:19
the way. Now you got to do something else
00:24:23
to, I guess, kind of cement your position because, OK, yeah, you
00:24:28
exposed him for the lie. But technically speaking, if
00:24:31
Negan is still alive, he's still a wanted man.
00:24:35
So are are you about to be stupid enough to try to go after
00:24:38
this man 'cause I'm sorry, I I get it to you.
00:24:43
You know, you think you're big and bad and you got a mouth.
00:24:45
You ain't nothing compared to me yet.
00:24:48
But that, no, that's why she gave the gun.
00:24:50
That's why she gave the gun back to Jimmy.
00:24:54
She ain't gonna be the one to do it, 'cause if Jenny already
00:24:58
knows me again, that's he's. She's one step closer to
00:25:03
getting. So she can get rid of him for.
00:25:05
Correct, because if he sees Novias, he's like, what the fuck
00:25:09
is it and get the hell on. He don't know she's from New
00:25:12
Babylon. No, I'm not sticking around for
00:25:14
this, but Jenny, he or he'll kill her or he'll kill her.
00:25:18
Same thing as Maggie, though. Maggie can get close to me
00:25:23
because of the, you know, it's the history, the history that
00:25:25
they have. Yeah.
00:25:27
Jimmy can't get close. Even if though she pissed off
00:25:29
that she upset, didn't get close to me, 'cause of me.
00:25:32
And see, remember last time he saw her, I killed your daddy.
00:25:34
Get away. Go.
00:25:35
Let them take care of you. So to find out she back on the
00:25:39
island 'cause in that he didn't see her on the he only saw
00:25:43
Herschel and Maggie, right. He only, he only saw Herschel on
00:25:46
the boat. He saw Maggie for the first time
00:25:49
in this episode. So yeah.
00:25:52
He didn't see. He didn't see Maggie on the
00:25:54
boat. Oh.
00:25:54
I thought he saw her in the binoculars too.
00:25:56
OK. OK.
00:25:59
So if he only saw saw Shershel, if he only saw her show.
00:26:06
Yeah, he this gonna be his first time seeing Jimmy, so she would
00:26:09
be able 'cause he'd be like, what are you doing here?
00:26:11
Come, let me make sure you say. Yeah, I was going to say he he
00:26:15
should be asking that question now 'cause you know, Herschel is
00:26:18
on the island, Maggie is on the island.
00:26:20
So, you know, at some point he's going to be like, well, where
00:26:22
the fuck is Jenny? Did y'all leave her behind?
00:26:25
And you know that's not going to happen because what happened the
00:26:27
last time Jenny got left behind, she got her ass in that damn
00:26:30
cool and rolled herself. Gross.
00:26:33
The ever the ever the the Super is strongest cooler in creation.
00:26:39
Girl, that it must have been an igloo.
00:26:41
It has to be. Don't.
00:26:46
Get across the the damn river. Right.
00:26:53
OK, going back to the Dahmer again.
00:26:59
She need to die too. I don't unders I, I just.
00:27:02
Gonna be a while before that happens.
00:27:04
I understand it's gonna be a while, you already know.
00:27:08
I feel like it, but it's, it's like at the beginning of the
00:27:14
episode, she's in the back of the car.
00:27:16
She's saying, you know, her little stuff.
00:27:19
And again, every time, every time Negan doesn't give her the
00:27:25
energy she wants him to give, she mentions his family.
00:27:28
She mentioned them what, 3 or 4 times in this episode?
00:27:31
I was like, Lucille is about to go across your head, but she
00:27:37
doesn't like even even when they're on the way to Bruegel,
00:27:41
the Croat is like, why are we going over here?
00:27:44
To kiss his ass? Like we hold all the cars, we
00:27:47
hold all the power. We're the ones who got rid of
00:27:49
the New Babylonians. Like what did he do?
00:27:51
Nothing. Why are we going over here?
00:27:53
She was like, well, we just won the battle.
00:27:55
We haven't won the war yet. We still need his people.
00:27:58
So we got to go play nice. Why are you even in charge?
00:28:04
Why? And then you get in there to the
00:28:08
dinner. Bruegel is clearly being
00:28:11
condescending, even though he's like putting it off as charming.
00:28:14
This, this mother fucker is condescending as hell.
00:28:18
And you're just still, Oh, I thank you for such for, for, for
00:28:22
the, the gift that you gave me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:26
Why are you in charge? And then you sit down to eat
00:28:32
and, and, and you let a little 20 something year old tell all
00:28:37
your business about what you used to be and how rattled you
00:28:41
are. And you are, you are clearly
00:28:43
rattled because when you start talking about her, what what
00:28:50
about the little drawing that you showed me?
00:28:52
Who did you say did it? Oh, I think you said his name
00:28:54
was her. Just she was rattled again.
00:28:59
Why are you in charge? You can't even hold it together
00:29:03
when somebody calls you out. Megan sitting over there like,
00:29:06
oh, this is fun to watch. Megan is taking notes.
00:29:12
They all be here riding the Croat up.
00:29:16
The Croat is getting all upset because he don't want to share
00:29:20
the method. I thought about you, Casey.
00:29:23
When Bruegel suggested, he was like, why don't we just build a
00:29:26
second one and you share with us how to make it and we'll just go
00:29:30
from there. That's what you should be doing,
00:29:33
right? If if we all want to get along,
00:29:36
if we don't have kumbaya moment. That's what I said.
00:29:39
That was all. But the crow ass said fuck no
00:29:44
and he. Said it with some force.
00:29:48
Absolutely not. But Brugal had a point.
00:29:53
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, had a point.
00:29:57
There is no reason for one. And that's the thing, having one
00:30:03
person be the person over everything is how we get to
00:30:07
cause it's always gonna be somebody coming for you.
00:30:10
But if you have it and you have not saying they had to be on the
00:30:13
grand scale that the Croat and I'm had it, you're gonna take
00:30:17
the mini labs. You know, many, many, many
00:30:21
Methane Studios mini ones. So you got one over here, one
00:30:26
over here, so nobody can corner the market on it.
00:30:29
And then if New Babylon do come in and take over, they ain't got
00:30:33
all of it right. You gotta go to all these places
00:30:36
to secure it, you know what I'm saying?
00:30:39
So he had the right idea. He.
00:30:43
Did, but the crow hat didn't like it, and the crow hat was
00:30:47
trying to follow. The crow hat is not in charge.
00:30:52
Yeah, but I don't know, I'm almost to the point where I feel
00:30:56
like he should be. He should be.
00:30:59
Because I believe should be. I I just don't understand why
00:31:04
the dama is so important. She clearly can't hold her
00:31:08
emotions together now. Yes, she can do some
00:31:10
manipulating. She she got that part down past.
00:31:13
She can read people very well though.
00:31:14
She can read. People, but but readable enough
00:31:18
to be in charge of everybody. You don't have the strength,
00:31:21
obviously, you don't really have the show of force because let's
00:31:27
be honest, the Baratsi, those are Croats dudes, right?
00:31:33
I've never heard them take an order from her.
00:31:38
So it's just I I don't under I don't understand what it is
00:31:42
about her. Maybe maybe she just maybe she
00:31:46
does have a way of manipulating all of them and we just haven't
00:31:49
seen it. But I'm just like this this
00:31:52
chick, like I kind of feel like when she does get undone, it's
00:32:01
going to be on such a spectacular level because I feel
00:32:04
like it's, she's not even going to expect it.
00:32:08
Cause Negan is obviously taking notes and paying attention, you
00:32:12
know? Yeah.
00:32:14
And I think even the Croat is, you know, he's paying attention.
00:32:18
I think he's kind of, I think what Nina said in the last
00:32:21
episode is kind of sticking with him about how she treats him
00:32:24
like the redheaded stepchild, how she treats him like, you
00:32:27
know, the thing on the bottom of her shoe.
00:32:29
He's starting to notice this 'cause he's like, making
00:32:32
suggestions to her. He's trying to tell her.
00:32:34
OK, look, sharing the the methane is not good.
00:32:39
By the end of the episode, you know, when they get ready to
00:32:42
leave, instead of Megan sitting up front with him, she's like
00:32:46
Negan, join me in the back. So you've basically reduced the
00:32:49
Croat to a chauffeur. And again, none of your power,
00:32:55
none of what you're offering these people would even exist
00:32:58
without this man. Cuz who gonna make the call you?
00:33:04
That's the. Thing he he don't know his own
00:33:06
damn power. I, I don't know, I mean,
00:33:11
obviously he still feels indebted to her for saving him,
00:33:16
but good grief, dude, this is, I don't know, can can we consider
00:33:22
this like Stockholm syndrome to the NTH degree?
00:33:27
It's. Good, because he he, he's
00:33:31
blindly you, you could, even though she's the alpha in this
00:33:38
relationship, he is very much a beta, Very, very much.
00:33:43
He is one of those people who need somebody to tell him what
00:33:46
to do. So even though he's smarter, he
00:33:50
knows, you know, more than basically everybody there.
00:33:53
He don't have a alpha in him to lead, which is why even when
00:33:58
Negan was the leader, you know, he's the lap dog.
00:34:01
He don't know how to be a alpha. Yeah, well, I don't.
00:34:07
No, I want to say he doesn't know how I was saying more so he
00:34:12
doesn't want to be. Because when he stood up and
00:34:14
called Brugal out in front of everybody, that was an alpha
00:34:18
move. That was big Dick energy.
00:34:21
To me that was just like frustration.
00:34:24
I didn't, I didn't get Alpha from that.
00:34:25
You didn't. I didn't.
00:34:28
He literally just told everybody he was like, yeah, you cheating
00:34:30
and I'm going to tell you how you cheating and no, we're not
00:34:33
gonna do this. I mean, I don't I don't think
00:34:36
anybody else would have stood up to Brugal like that.
00:34:38
To me, I I think that was more frustration than anything I
00:34:41
didn't get I'm and I'm in charge by this is you know how it's
00:34:48
always one, one person like I'm so tired of this shit.
00:34:50
It was one of them. I'm so tired of this shit.
00:34:54
Dude, I know you cheating. He had the potential.
00:34:57
It wasn't a you know, I'm gonna tell you, I know you cheating.
00:35:01
This is what you're doing. I'm about to take control of the
00:35:03
situation. This is how somebody finally got
00:35:06
frustrated and it's the outburst of I'm over this shit but.
00:35:10
Here's the question. If we hadn't been introduced to
00:35:14
the Dhamma, would you still feel that way?
00:35:17
Because remember, we went the entire first season thinking he
00:35:20
was the one in charge. He was very much acting like the
00:35:23
alpha. It was when we.
00:35:26
Introduced to the Dhamma that we're like, oh, you're not the
00:35:29
one in charge and that we've seen his behavior kind of
00:35:33
change. But if we hadn't have been
00:35:35
introduced to her, would you feel still?
00:35:38
Would you feel still? Would you still feel that way?
00:35:41
Yes, because even remember, even in the first season when
00:35:45
remember how he was so boring, like when he saw me and he was
00:35:48
like, oh, trying to get approval.
00:35:50
Oh, do you see what I did for you?
00:35:51
Oh, do you see what I did for you?
00:35:53
Oh, do you see what I did for you?
00:35:54
He was always, even in the first season, trying to get that
00:35:57
approval from we didn't know about them, but he's trying to
00:36:00
get that approval even from me again.
00:36:02
Yeah, but ran him off and exiled him, all of that.
00:36:07
He still let me give me your approval.
00:36:10
Tell me you approve of the things that I'm doing.
00:36:13
So he was never going to be no alpha.
00:36:15
He had that era of mystery where we OK, where where is this?
00:36:19
But he was. But he did a good job acting
00:36:21
like 1 because people thought he was crazy.
00:36:25
That part. That part, so before he realized
00:36:28
that he had some self esteem issues.
00:36:31
When Negan came along, he didn't he didn't show that to everyone
00:36:35
else. The Domino's because she know
00:36:37
how to read people. Negan knows, but everyone else
00:36:40
was afraid of him. So he was kind of like their
00:36:42
alpha because they didn't know he was crazy.
00:36:46
He did some weird things. Yeah, true.
00:36:50
Which also caused him that was scary.
00:36:53
So it's not like we ain't know. Yeah, but they don't.
00:36:57
But see, they don't know that he's that he's weak.
00:37:00
They're just thinking, OK, we just don't wanna cross him,
00:37:03
'cause he does some he might. Put me in the tank next.
00:37:07
And even, right, even even in the first season, I don't, I
00:37:11
don't think Maggie was. So Maggie wasn't scared of him
00:37:14
himself. She was scared of what they
00:37:15
would do to Hershel. So yeah, I don't think there was
00:37:18
ever for me. I don't think there was ever
00:37:20
like a fear of him. It's the worry of I need to get
00:37:24
my son back because you threatened to kill him if I
00:37:26
don't bring you Megan. But I don't think she was scared
00:37:30
of the Croat, you know what I mean?
00:37:33
Yeah, I'm scared of your threat. I'm not scared of you.
00:37:38
OK, yeah, that's just my thought.
00:37:40
But I mean, let's be honest, Maggie don't scare easily.
00:37:46
She's. Scared for Herschel?
00:37:48
I I know, but that's but I'm I'm saying as far.
00:37:50
As how she's. Treating, yeah, in general, like
00:37:53
'cause even with Pope, like she was scared for what he would do
00:37:58
to her people and for what he did to her people.
00:38:01
But when it came time for her to go up against him, she was like,
00:38:04
oh, no, we're about to go do this.
00:38:06
We're about to go take this back.
00:38:07
Like Maggie ain't never been one to back down.
00:38:11
True. So, but OK, still going with the
00:38:18
Croat real quick because was he the one that actually set the
00:38:24
fire or was Megan the one that set the fire to the painting?
00:38:28
Herschel was OK. I thought that too, but then.
00:38:32
All in that room together, remember?
00:38:35
And then they all ran to go see where the thing was, and when it
00:38:38
was knocked over, Dhamma saw the door close.
00:38:43
OK, that's what I thought I saw, but I wasn't sure.
00:38:46
I was like, OK, is he the one that said it?
00:38:49
Because when she went to Negan, she went to Negan.
00:38:53
Like she thought Negan did it because she was like, OK,
00:38:55
they're smart and then they're stupid and, you know, whatever,
00:38:58
whatever. And he was like, well, you know,
00:39:01
he kind of played it off like he was the one that did it.
00:39:04
So I don't know. But no, they was all together
00:39:06
OK. 'Cause.
00:39:08
Then 'cause then remember when, when they were in that room,
00:39:12
Donna saw the door closed, and then remember Maggie whistled.
00:39:15
And so that's why Negan went and left.
00:39:17
And I do remember that. And that's what was throwing me
00:39:20
off, because I thought it was Herschel at first.
00:39:23
But then when I rewatched it, for Donna to come at him and
00:39:28
say, OK, you know what? There's there's, you know,
00:39:31
there's what did she say? They're stupid and there's
00:39:35
something else. She basically, it's almost like
00:39:37
she thought that he was the one that did it or he was the one
00:39:40
that that had it done, whatever. Because I'm like, OK, that
00:39:46
painting went up fairly fast. So he couldn't have set it on
00:39:51
fire when they were in there the first time.
00:39:54
But the the Croat kind of stayed behind then.
00:39:58
So I was like, OK, so did he rig something?
00:40:01
To make it go up. So that's why I was all all
00:40:04
confused. Oh, that's what it was, she
00:40:06
said. There's liking the underdog and
00:40:08
then there's just being stupid. And he was like but.
00:40:11
I thought she was talking for that.
00:40:13
I thought she was talking about the fight.
00:40:15
Oh. OK, see, I thought because they
00:40:17
were in the room and the the fire was actively going, I
00:40:20
thought she was approaching him. Like, did you do this?
00:40:23
Like I know we're looking for in a distraction and some way to
00:40:27
throw Brugal off his game, but this is stupid.
00:40:30
Right. No, OK, No.
00:40:31
I thought that comment was in reference to saying, remember,
00:40:34
'cause he was like, I could pick any Walker and they could beat
00:40:38
your guy. And remember, that's when he got
00:40:40
the guy off the tow truck who didn't have nothing.
00:40:43
You know, I was. That was my interpretation of
00:40:47
it. OK, 'cause I would have thought
00:40:49
if she would have said something like that, she would have said
00:40:51
it while they were in the room. She probably would have looked
00:40:53
at him and be like excuse what the fuck you doing?
00:40:56
Like, yeah, no, I I took that as the Walker fight.
00:41:00
Gotcha. OK.
00:41:01
Because remember he was, he was in in the Walker fight.
00:41:04
He was like, we don't need that. We don't need and remember he
00:41:06
just put the oil on him. And see, I thought that was, I
00:41:10
was thinking that was just a distraction, like, Oh yeah,
00:41:14
let's do all this stupid stuff. Let's make Bruegel actually see.
00:41:18
I thought it was distraction too.
00:41:20
So that's what I thought. And then of course I.
00:41:22
Just played it again, yeah. So, OK, But yeah, you saying
00:41:28
it's Herschel? That does make sense because
00:41:30
Herschel was supposed to find a distraction.
00:41:34
He just, he set the paint on fire.
00:41:37
And then went to go find his other Mama girl.
00:41:44
I'm telling you that I don't know.
00:41:52
I just and and the way she was with him, she was like, well,
00:41:56
listen, this is my surprise was like, OK, this is.
00:42:01
I don't know. I was surprised you knew he was
00:42:02
coming. I know, but maybe there was a
00:42:07
small part of her that thought, OK, you know what, he's back
00:42:11
with his mother. Maybe, you know, maybe there was
00:42:14
a small part of her. Not even a minuscule part.
00:42:20
Right. Especially after he set the
00:42:22
fire, you knew he was there. You knew he was coming.
00:42:26
So I mean, she got her hooks in them.
00:42:32
Hook the hooked hook. She definitely does, right?
00:42:36
But let's talk about this conversation with Megan and
00:42:39
Maggie because, again, this is the first time they've seen each
00:42:42
other for a year. And when he sees her, was I the
00:42:47
only person who felt like he was happy to see her and he was
00:42:54
hoping that she was coming to rescue him?
00:42:58
He seemed to give off that vibe a little bit to the point where
00:43:01
she was like, I'm not here for you.
00:43:04
I was like, oh, OK. Yeah.
00:43:05
She. She tried to make it real clear,
00:43:07
but he was so soft spoken with her.
00:43:10
And I was like. Negan thinks she coming to break
00:43:12
him out. No.
00:43:15
I, I think Negan's always gonna handle Maggie with kid gloves,
00:43:20
you know, always he, he like, 'cause even like Herschel said,
00:43:26
he feel like he owe her. So he always gonna handle her
00:43:29
with kid, kid gloves even, I think Maggie could be a total
00:43:33
asshole to him and he's still gonna be like, oh, you know, you
00:43:36
know what I mean? She's she's gonna have that
00:43:39
soft, I mean, he's gonna have that soft spot for her.
00:43:42
Yeah, but I don't know, I felt like, I mean.
00:43:45
It's getting old. I felt like that was a little
00:43:47
different, though. I like he was really looking at
00:43:49
her like, oh, you can't. You came back for me.
00:43:52
She's like, no, I, I came back 'cause I, I need you to give me
00:43:55
some information. He was like, the fuck?
00:43:59
He was like, don't you, Don't you notice the pattern here?
00:44:02
Like you keep you, you keep talking about how you hate me
00:44:05
and you keep doing this stuff, but then you got to come come to
00:44:08
me for help. You come to me when you need me.
00:44:11
And even with Pearly up at the top, Pearly was like, look, we
00:44:14
got much time. We need to know where the
00:44:15
methane is, blah, blah, blah. He was like, yeah, whatever.
00:44:17
I ain't talking to you, Maggie. I want to hear it from you.
00:44:21
Maggie is like. 'Cause he has a soft spot for
00:44:24
her which he will always have, nothing's going to take that
00:44:27
soft spot away. I know, but like I said, I just
00:44:30
felt like it was a little bit more hopeful at first.
00:44:35
My oh, did she come back to get me?
00:44:36
Then when she was like, I'm not here for you.
00:44:38
He had the immediately kind of, well, you know, I didn't think
00:44:40
it was, you know, I thought it was weird that you would come
00:44:43
back to get the guy that you put in here in the 1st place.
00:44:46
But you know, she's upset because, again, here she is.
00:44:53
She left him in a situation where she thought he was a
00:44:56
prisoner. And when she comes back, he's
00:44:58
free as a Terry bird. This ain't the first time.
00:45:00
Because that's what happened when she got back, when she got
00:45:02
to Alexandria. But then when he tells her the
00:45:06
reason for doing what he's doing, she's just like, OK, I, I
00:45:12
just need I, I just need to know where the methane is.
00:45:15
And he's like, I can't because I'm trying to protect people.
00:45:18
And if I tell, they're gonna hurt those people.
00:45:21
She's like who? He didn't even have to say
00:45:24
anything. She was like oh, and he is
00:45:25
Joshua. OK, well you know what, I
00:45:29
actually do like them so whatever.
00:45:31
But then he get but then. He gets he told her anyway, told
00:45:35
her anyway. Yeah, like you said, we were
00:45:39
just going to yeah, soft spot. But now I'm, I'm wondering how
00:45:48
that's going to work because when the episode ends, Pearly,
00:45:53
Maggie and Herschel, they, they have gotten back together.
00:45:57
They are on the roof. And Pearly asked Maggie, he was
00:46:01
like, did Negan give you any useful information?
00:46:04
And she looks like she's about to tell him.
00:46:06
And of course the episode goes off.
00:46:08
But now I'm kind of like, you don't need to say nothing in
00:46:12
front of Herschel. You don't need to say nothing
00:46:16
about anything Negan told you in front of Herschel, 'cause I feel
00:46:19
like Herschel go run tail. Yeah, I think that's what the
00:46:25
hesitation was. I don't think she wanted to.
00:46:28
Part of part of her, believes Negan.
00:46:31
Part of her. Believes him because she thought
00:46:33
it before *** said it. Negan confirming it, I think
00:46:36
just pissed her off because she's like, God damn it, if
00:46:41
anybody else had told me that my son was working for the enemy,
00:46:44
it would have been fine. But you, you got to tell me that
00:46:47
because, you know, she probably feels like at some point Nigga's
00:46:51
going to rub that in her face. But I don't think he would do
00:46:53
that because of everything. But still, it's got, it's got to
00:46:59
grate her nerves that Negan was the one who was like, yeah, so
00:47:04
your boy, he helping out, he helping them out over here.
00:47:08
And Maggie's like, who are you talking about?
00:47:11
But of course, everybody is coming back in.
00:47:13
So. So he can't tell her.
00:47:15
And then like you said, she sees the Dom and the Dom just looks
00:47:18
at her like, hey, I'm here. And.
00:47:22
And the and the issue. But, you know, like we said, the
00:47:29
Dom is not strong, so I don't think she wants to take Meg in a
00:47:34
fight. But and she owned it.
00:47:36
I think Maggie is going to have a difficult time with the Dhamma
00:47:42
because she knows how to get to Herschel in ways that Maggie
00:47:45
doesn't. And I think that's what's going
00:47:48
to happen. I, I don't know, I don't know if
00:47:51
the Dhamma would hurt Maggie. I think she just, I mean, I
00:47:55
don't know, she, she just wants Herschel because Herschel has a
00:47:58
vision for Manhattan that nobody else has.
00:48:02
I get it. I don't think she will hurt his
00:48:04
Mama, but I think she going to make Maggie.
00:48:08
I think she's gonna make Maggie regret neglecting her son.
00:48:13
She do that. Now she's, I mean, even more so,
00:48:18
even more so because yeah, you, you have your, your own guilt.
00:48:24
But even for Maggie, I, I just feel like that guilt is not, I
00:48:32
don't think it's strong enough yet because you still doing you
00:48:35
still doing some of the same shit.
00:48:38
You have to be thinking something because your child be
00:48:41
keeping things from you right? Are you got to be realizing that
00:48:45
y'all don't have a close relationship?
00:48:47
That y'all don't talk? Your son let you, let you walk
00:48:52
around for years telling the same old story that actually
00:48:55
wasn't the story, that wasn't accurate.
00:48:59
And why? Because he caught you crying and
00:49:02
he wanted to make you feel better.
00:49:03
He's the child, you're the adult.
00:49:06
That part. That that's the whole part
00:49:09
You're. Not saying that there's anything
00:49:12
wrong with that because, you know, our children, they do
00:49:14
that. They see us sad.
00:49:16
They try to make us, you know, they try to make us feel better,
00:49:20
they try to cheer us up. But Herschel has had to do that
00:49:22
his whole life because Maggie can't let go of, of what
00:49:26
happened. And he, I'm, I'm pretty sure he
00:49:30
doesn't have to do that with the nama.
00:49:33
So yeah, Maggie's going to have a difficult time from this point
00:49:36
on, especially now that she has a face, like an actual face.
00:49:40
Like you know that this is an actual person.
00:49:43
Yeah. So now you know your son's been
00:49:46
lying to you. Does the city have a pull on
00:49:48
you? No, no, it's not the city.
00:49:50
It's a person. It's a it's a person.
00:49:54
I, I need her to get it together.
00:49:58
But you know what, I like the conversation that she and Pearly
00:50:00
had. Pearly is not getting on my
00:50:02
nerves as much now because I think after the conversation
00:50:08
they had today or in this episode, I kind of understand
00:50:13
when, when, when you're a parent and you are worried about your
00:50:16
children's safety, you want to do whatever it is that's going
00:50:19
to ensure that safety. So I can't, I can't fault him
00:50:22
for too much. You really were dumb telling
00:50:25
them that Negan was dead though, 'cause you got to know somebody
00:50:28
as charismatic as Negan. You.
00:50:29
He's not going to stay quiet for long.
00:50:32
He's not going to stay hidden for long.
00:50:34
So I think that's where he messed up.
00:50:37
But even in this episode, he and Maggie are having a conversation
00:50:42
and he's talking about how he's doing everything for his kids,
00:50:45
he said. But I'm wondering, he said, I'm
00:50:48
working so hard to bring back a world that my daughters don't
00:50:52
even know. It makes you wonder, are we
00:50:55
doing this for them or are we doing it more for us?
00:51:00
And I think that kind of struck a nerve with Maggie because you
00:51:03
do have to think about that, not just in the terms of what
00:51:06
they're doing with the world or trying to get the methane or
00:51:10
trying to rebuild. But she's got to think about
00:51:12
that in terms of Herschel too. Like, am I doing all of this?
00:51:16
Am I being angry for for his sake or am I doing it for me?
00:51:21
And obviously you're doing it for you because Herschel, it's,
00:51:24
it's almost like Herschel don't even want to hear about his dad
00:51:27
anymore because all he's going to hear about is the bad stuff
00:51:30
and the fast stuff. But.
00:51:35
Fortunately, because like I said, Glenn was a good dude.
00:51:39
Yeah, and you could, you could have told your son about all the
00:51:44
good things he did. But like I said, maybe it's
00:51:46
gotten to the point where it's so clouded in her mind now
00:51:49
because she's all she's remembering is the pain and the
00:51:53
hurt and the anger. Like, can you even remember all
00:51:59
the other stuff? Or has that been clouded over by
00:52:02
the mean stuff? Do you remember the pharmacy
00:52:05
wrong? Do you remember, you know, all
00:52:08
the other stuff early on? Do you remember the prison?
00:52:11
Do you remember getting like all of those things?
00:52:16
Or is it just *** *** *** *** *** Because I mean, there's so
00:52:22
much and, and not even just saying she has to share, share
00:52:25
only shit about Glenn. Cause keep in mind this is
00:52:28
zombie apocalypse. So her time with Glenn wasn't
00:52:30
that long. But you still had a old, I mean,
00:52:33
you still had an aunt, you still had a grandfather.
00:52:36
You still had. She grew up.
00:52:39
Tell him how to live that world life.
00:52:42
Tell him about that life. Yeah, your main life.
00:52:46
Things that they did right. And things that he doesn't know
00:52:49
about. Yeah, like fire alarms.
00:52:51
Yeah, yeah. And just like he was saying, I,
00:52:54
I just don't see what's so good about the old world anyway,
00:52:56
because you, you haven't been told about the good stuff in the
00:53:00
old world. No, he hasn't.
00:53:03
Yeah, we you, you. You haven't been told anything
00:53:05
about anything except the fact your daddy died, right?
00:53:09
Everything else, right? And that's heavy for us adults
00:53:14
to carry. I mean, we see how she's
00:53:16
carrying it. You putting it on a child?
00:53:20
Herschel is what, 1516? But he's been hearing this all
00:53:23
his life. And I'm sure he's over it like
00:53:28
girl. Very much the.
00:53:29
Song right, like the whole point we tired of it.
00:53:36
We we you got die hard Glenn fans team Glenn all day all day.
00:53:43
But even some of U.S. team Glenn folks is like, OK, we get OK,
00:53:48
damn we get it, we get it and for cause.
00:53:57
What's Herschel religious or am I remembering that wrong?
00:54:02
Kind of sort of but but, but my thought is for for for your dad
00:54:06
to be somewhat religious forgiveness that that was a
00:54:10
lesson you skipped. I but I don't think, I don't
00:54:13
really think Maggie was. I think Maggie, because when we
00:54:16
met her, I think Maggie was even then kind of sort of a little on
00:54:22
the angry side, you know, because she had lost her mom,
00:54:26
then she lost her stepmom. And then, like I said, you,
00:54:29
you're dealing with Herschel being a drunk and then this
00:54:34
thing happens to the world. You lose your your stepmom, you
00:54:38
lose your brother, you lose your aunt, your sister tries to kill
00:54:44
herself. I mean, it's a lot.
00:54:47
Yeah, true. It's a there's still other
00:54:51
things that she could be focused on.
00:54:53
I'm just saying. I and I agree.
00:54:55
That's all I'm saying. Like we said, damn near 20 years
00:54:58
later, you you can't. You got to let that go.
00:55:03
You're she's poisoning her, not just her son, she's poisoning
00:55:05
herself. Yeah, so and I, I I'm glad she
00:55:10
had that little confessional to to pearly where she was.
00:55:14
Like, I know I seem hard all the time, but inside I'm terrified.
00:55:21
Finally, I'm so glad you said it out loud because somebody needs
00:55:26
to be able to look and see through all of that.
00:55:29
And I think her admitting to Pearly that Negan was the one
00:55:32
that killed her, her husband, I think Pearly may understand her
00:55:38
a little bit better now. And he's like, OK, we got to
00:55:44
figure this out. We got to stick together, but we
00:55:46
got to do this smart. And I was like, OK, probably you
00:55:50
might be all right. We'll see now.
00:55:53
We'll see. I'm just saying, right now he is
00:55:57
he is probably second on my list of characters to hate on this
00:56:01
show. No, you know what?
00:56:03
No, because I think Novias is first.
00:56:06
Yes, she is. The Dhamma is second 'cause she
00:56:09
just irritates me to no end. I don't understand why she's in
00:56:12
charge. So I'm, I'm irritated by that.
00:56:16
And then maybe Pearly, 'cause I will say this for the Croat.
00:56:21
I don't, I don't think I've ever hated his character to the point
00:56:25
where I was like, you, you need to die.
00:56:27
I just, I, I don't know he's. I find no point in his
00:56:32
character. Like I don't wish him to die,
00:56:35
but like, I can give or take. Yeah, I can give or take him
00:56:40
like I'm like I maybe would change in the future or
00:56:44
something, but right now I'm like you could be in there for
00:56:48
sold or not, I don't really care.
00:56:50
Yeah, and why is this his face all the time?
00:56:53
Right. It is because it is.
00:56:55
I'm sorry, it is. He always got that that eyebrow
00:56:59
furrow. Because he's realizing, I think
00:57:02
as more and more time goes by, he is realizing that he is not
00:57:07
as high up on the totem pole as he thinks he is.
00:57:10
Like he told Negan in the last episode, he was like, the Dom
00:57:12
and I are partners. I don't think she looks at you
00:57:15
that way. Even when she talks to Negan at
00:57:18
the beginning of this episode, she was like, This is why we
00:57:23
needed you. She said he's too emotional,
00:57:25
he's too volatile. We need to make these
00:57:28
negotiations work. We need to keep a calm head.
00:57:31
And she was telling him, I need you to keep him.
00:57:33
I need you to keep him calm. She's treating the the Croat
00:57:37
like he's a child that needs to be handled, that needs to be
00:57:40
babysat. And I think he's really starting
00:57:44
to see that like, OK, she really is not treating me the way a
00:57:49
partner would treat me. Because if that was the case,
00:57:55
knowing where their power comes from, she wouldn't even consider
00:58:00
Bruegel's plan. If she was his true partner, she
00:58:04
would discuss it with him first and be like, OK, so is this
00:58:06
smart? Is this something we can do?
00:58:08
Like, is this going to be a problem?
00:58:10
No, she didn't think about that. Because she don't care.
00:58:13
I know. She'll give a damn about him at
00:58:16
all. But I think now he's starting to
00:58:19
realize she don't care. Like, really, really realize.
00:58:24
But, you know, that's, again, that's kind of that manipulation
00:58:27
that Negan is doing. Negan is planting those bugs in
00:58:31
his ear. Yeah.
00:58:33
She treating you like her redheaded stepchild.
00:58:36
Why does she talk to you like that?
00:58:39
Ain't you important? Apparently the fuck not.
00:58:45
That's an Adama. He important enough to make the
00:58:49
meth, make the methane and get that got it 'cause he's not
00:58:53
getting the results. You know, Bruegel was trying to
00:58:56
get the the second facility. Megan figured out a way to get
00:59:00
around that because Megan also suspected something wasn't right
00:59:03
with that fighter. So you put in another fighter,
00:59:06
you kind of sweep the odds a little bit, and then when the
00:59:09
fighter gets real close to you, you happen to look up and
00:59:12
realize, oh wait, those are human eyes I'm looking at.
00:59:16
Yeah, 'cause when he pulled his arm to hold him, the guy was
00:59:20
like. Yep.
00:59:22
Yeah. So you whisper a little some
00:59:24
some in Bruegel's ear, and all of a sudden Bruegel's like,
00:59:27
yeah. So you know that thing I said I
00:59:30
wanted to do, I don't want to do it anymore.
00:59:31
We're good. We're good, been caught.
00:59:34
No. Conditions.
00:59:36
But then you should play that. You should play that better.
00:59:39
Like you can't always win. Yeah.
00:59:44
So you occasionally to put a Walker.
00:59:47
Occasionally gotta put a Walker in, though.
00:59:49
Like a real Walker. Say he can't kill his friend.
00:59:52
Yeah, but he can put occasional, like when the beds are bite.
00:59:56
Did he at the end? No, at the end he used his
01:00:01
friend. No, she's saying before that.
01:00:04
Yeah, when you having these matches, because then it starts
01:00:08
to be like, hmm. But he was only doing it that
01:00:13
like that wasn't his friend. That was that was his means to
01:00:16
an end. That was something that was
01:00:18
helping him. The way he killed him so quick
01:00:20
at the answer why? We were so close.
01:00:25
You've been like, like, he is human and you've been heating,
01:00:29
feeding him raw rats, raw rats, raw rats.
01:00:34
You've been having him dress around, dress up and act like a
01:00:38
fucking Walker so that you can win all the riches and have the
01:00:43
nice suits and eat the nice food.
01:00:45
I mean, even even they had cooked a rat.
01:00:49
I mean, and this man gets close to *** which you got to blame
01:00:55
*** for That *** was the one who kind of weaved his way in there.
01:01:00
That wasn't those fault. But he's right.
01:01:02
You're my secret is up they and they know or if if not, they
01:01:08
know Negan knows and you know someone knows.
01:01:11
Negan can use that to his advantage and brew was like,
01:01:14
Nope, we're not going to do that.
01:01:17
Nope, I've already lost enough and he slit his throat.
01:01:21
I was like, I felt so bad for. For that was so quick so quick
01:01:29
but then he's like yeah, you know well I got a tip so.
01:01:35
Yeah, I'm not out. I'm not out of the game yet.
01:01:37
And then he listened to the Central Park and I'm like, who
01:01:41
the hell told you that something was in the Central Park?
01:01:46
But apparently he has something in there because even when they
01:01:50
got there, he asked the Dom on them.
01:01:53
He was like, so did you guys find what you looking for in the
01:01:56
park? I was like, yeah.
01:01:58
I thought he had look out there anyway, Probably 'cause somebody
01:02:03
has said there's lookouts in the park when that was the not
01:02:08
Roxana. What's her name?
01:02:09
Roxana. Uh huh.
01:02:10
Roxana. Yeah, 'cause she.
01:02:12
Yeah, I think 'cause I thought she had said something about
01:02:15
lookouts in the park. They're always watching.
01:02:19
OK, what? Alright, so Megan is about to
01:02:29
become the the Donna's best. Friend look like she's like hey,
01:02:35
come sit in the back with me. I told you, I think she got a
01:02:37
little crush on *** but that's. The probably I got.
01:02:41
Anything I need her back? Story.
01:02:44
I mean, we got a little bit, we know we just really got her
01:02:46
career. Yeah, I need her.
01:02:48
I need the true back story. Yeah, but I I'm telling you, she
01:02:53
got one more time to mention Nigga's family 'cause every time
01:02:57
she said it, his face turns stormy.
01:03:00
Even at the beginning of the episode.
01:03:03
You did it just because he said I'm only boss.
01:03:06
Like he wasn't being sarcastic, he wasn't being a smart ass.
01:03:11
You told him to do something. He's like, alright boss, and
01:03:14
then you're like your family and his face just chances.
01:03:18
Oh, she just, she really wants Lucille going across her head.
01:03:25
That only one for her. I just.
01:03:29
That's all I can say. You're not going.
01:03:31
Just not going in well for you, man.
01:03:32
It, it is not. It's not.
01:03:35
But I don't know. Do we need to talk about
01:03:40
anything else? I know Michelle has to go.
01:03:43
Now, this one was pretty much this was a it was a centralized
01:03:47
episode with the, with the, the UFC celebrity Deathmatch.
01:03:51
It was, I think it was it, it really a lot happened, but not a
01:03:58
lot happened, you know what I mean?
01:04:00
It was more acquisition, yeah, yeah.
01:04:06
But I think we did hit all the points.
01:04:10
So we did find out that they have been renewed for season 3.
01:04:16
So and then this is also San Diego Comic Con week.
01:04:21
I don't know if they'll have anything for Dead City because
01:04:24
Dead City literally just ended maybe two months ago.
01:04:28
We are going to have some Darrell Dixon information.
01:04:31
I think I saw that they're supposed to be a full length
01:04:35
trailer released this week. So it would have already been
01:04:40
released by the time this episode is published.
01:04:43
So we'll share that information on our Facebook page as we get
01:04:49
it. But no final thoughts for this
01:04:52
episode. Don't try to scam in the
01:04:56
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