#thewalkingdead #TWD #deadcity We're back!! After a month-long hiatus, we are back to bring you new content! This episode of TWD: Dead City takes place about a year after the events of Season 1. Maggie struggles to keep her community safe when New Babylon comes looking for soldiers to go on an "exploratory mission" regarding the methane in Manhattan. At the same time, Negan - who has been in a cell - finds himself giving in to the Dama's demands to lead her army when she makes a threat he cannot ignore.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and Casey. So you know what that means.
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We are discussing some Walking Dead stuff after an extended
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hiatus. Hello Summer.
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Hello Summer. Hello.
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I know. So we are discussing Dead City
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season 2 episode 1 and I think Michelle and I started the
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conversation without you. Casey, before we start a
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recording, Michelle, what was the first thing you said you
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were asking about? Who Certain?
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I was just asked who certain characters was because while
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watching I missed their names so I need to make I had their names
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for. Like that person got to die.
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Yeah, I just don't, I don't like her attitude.
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OK, so let's let's jump into it. We pick up in the show about a
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year after the events from the season 1 finale, at least going
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by what Negan says. Negan is here, he's locked up,
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been locked up, and apparently it's because the DOMA wants him
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to do some things and he's refusing to do it.
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Basically they're trying to turn him back into the old *** He's
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like, no, so he's been locked up.
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We're going to come back to that 'cause I got some things to say
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about that. I don't know where, where do we
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want to start? Do we want to start with the
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kind of sort of good stuff first or do you, we want to just, you
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know. What I want to talk about, I'm
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sorry. Come on, come on, come on.
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Let's go. The kids get on my nerves
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already. They starting off.
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I'm like. Yeah.
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Herschel don't get over whatever he hold known to that bad.
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Well, you know what? OK, so I'm gonna say this about.
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Herschel, he need a whooping. I don't know.
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No, over his Denny. Is the one that needs the
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whooping. Yes he does.
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He needs a beat down. Jenny needs a whooping.
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But before we get into her, let me go back to Herschel because
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when we see them at the beginning of the episode, you
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see that Herschel and Maggie, they seem to be on better terms
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that, you know, it seems like they've kind of, you know,
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crossed that bridge and they're kind of whatever, whatever.
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And he doesn't start getting funky until she sees Negan's hat
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in the closet and she picks it up and then you can kind of see
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his attitude change. And then she kind of she kind of
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turns it around with that whole story about the fireflies and
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and the flashlight. So I think if you think about
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Herschel's conversation with her in the last season after he got
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rescued, he told her that it seems like she was so obsessed
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with Megan that she didn't really see him.
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And so I'm assuming once Megan got, you know, they left him in
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New York, they came back, that that little threat is not out
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there. And I, I'm not saying that Megan
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is a threat, but that reminder is not just walking around free
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like, you know, where he is. You know that he is not anywhere
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near you. So she has a chance to kind of
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relax and in that she can pay more attention to her son 'cause
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she's not worried about whether or not she's gonna see him
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around every corner. So I kind of sort of get his
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irritation because when she volunteers to go to New York,
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well, volunteered I guess, and all of this stuff, he's like,
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why does it have to be you? Why does it always have to be
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you? And I get Maggie's, you know,
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her point of view, She's trying to make it so nobody else has to
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go. But I, I can understand from him
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too. I understand, I understand.
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So I wasn't too bothered by Herschel's attitude because he
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was like, OK, I, I'm, I'm just not getting my mom back the way
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I need her. And now he, she goes traipsing
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off to New York again, where Negan just happens to be.
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And even though it's not necessarily connected to him,
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especially, he's still a child. He's still probably 1415 in
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this. It probably feels that way.
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I get it. I don't.
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I don't fault him. Jenny, on the other hand, I'm so
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here. You know what she is ungrateful.
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Very much so ungrateful. Just entitled.
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Just bad. Bad.
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Well, all the audacity that her little 13 year old self can't
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handle how old she is. Yeah, can handle because you
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don't see when somebody trying to make sure you're OK.
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You don't see what somebody just baby if if if she is willing to
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take the sacrifice for you so you don't have to What?
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What's your point? He can already told you he
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killed his your daddy. You think he lied?
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I, I, I I still think he lied about that but.
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I do think he lied, but. Yeah, you know.
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What I'm saying as as a 13 year old, you hear this man has
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killed your daddy and that's the reason he's letting you follow
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him around. But now he he he to release you.
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He let you know what happened. And.
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You won't go back to kill him. Like what?
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And then the person that is taking care of you, you mad at
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her because he's not there anymore, girl.
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But you don't get out of yourself.
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That part but I get I the part that I I understand, I get Jenny
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didn't meet savior Nick Negan, so she don't know the whole back
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story like with Maggie and the things.
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So that part I get. But once you realize that no
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matter what has happened between them two, she's trying to make
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sure you're OK. I told him I would take care of
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you. I told him I would make sure
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you're alright. Sir, but we already know
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teenagers just think about themselves.
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And I guess it's not gonna be a pocket.
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It don't change, no different. If it doesn't, they don't know
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how to make any connections. It's all about them and their
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feelings. And right now, right now,
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'cause. When I say she was getting on my
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nerves when they when they had the little quote UN quote
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assessment and Maggie was like, no, you're not going in there.
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Don't make me tell you again. And then she rushes in there
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anyway and then Maggie still has to save your ass.
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Like what did you just accomplish?
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What did we? Get You could have got Maggie
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killed because of what you did. You're OK.
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Because obviously these New Babylon people don't give a fuck
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about you. They don't.
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They don't. Give a fuck about the kids, long
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as they can fight. Why is like we didn't say kids
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So what? Kids can't fight and skip.
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And that's why I say that she needs to be beaten, both of
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them. Do both of those leaders in the
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new Babylon because when I say from the moment Charlie Bird
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opened her mouth I was like oh I ain't gonna like this bitch and
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then the other one OK so we already OK I'm.
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Sorry, pause. Who is Charlie Bird?
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Which? One is she Charlie Bird is the
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She's the leader. She's the one with the cowboy
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hat, The black lady. The orange is the new black.
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You know Casey didn't watch that.
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I did watch Orange is the New Black.
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Yeah. I only watched two seasons of
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it. I watched it, yeah.
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I mean, yeah, she's the main, you know that.
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She was one of the main ladies. OK, that's Charlie.
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She's the one that's in charge. And then the other black lady,
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the light skin with the short hair.
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What she said, Captain. I can't remember her, her last
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name, but she avenged to. I don't like her either.
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I don't like her either. But you know what we knew?
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Knew Babylon was trashed from the very first episode of the
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first season when they did what they did to Michelle Hurd's
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character. We knew they were garbage.
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Yeah, We knew they were garbage. We know they were garbage.
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When Parley was talking about the punishment they did for that
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dude. What what, what was it?
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They split him down the middle with a saw.
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We knew they were garbage. So the way that they're coming
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in and they're like, they're first of all, they're dragging
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somebody behind a car so that they can publicly execute him.
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And what was his crime? He didn't.
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He didn't want to go into the Army, but you have that and then
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you have the whole thing. Oh yeah, we're part of New
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Babylon. You guys signed an agreement and
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Maggie was like, y'all forced us to.
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And we, we and our charter, we can conscript you.
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As I said, it's the same thing. We've we've had this discussion
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before. When the world falls apart, why
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the fuck are y'all going back to the same rules, to the same
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systems of aggression and oppression that made the world
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fucked up in the 1st place? I, I just don't understand.
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And yes I know I'm cussing a lot.
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I said I was going to try and stop cursing, but it ain't going
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to be in this episode, I can guarantee when I say when they
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started saying all of this stuff and then Pearly comes to talk to
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Maggie. First of all, Pearly, I still
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don't like him. I don't like him even more now
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because now you got yourself a position because you don't lied
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about what you did to me again. And then you want to come and
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tell Maggie, Oh yeah, I'm conscripting you 'cause I think
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you'll be a asset. What?
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What if it wasn't for this woman and Megan you to be dead?
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You will be Walker food. And then my whole thought was
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what's going to happen when they get to New York and see me
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again? Right, but they're going to, of
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course they're going to is because which you're going to.
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The the role that they have Negan plan, of course.
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They're going to absolutely, 1000% going to.
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And then what? What?
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What, what he going to say then? Oh, we'll see.
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What happened was yeah, no, they're gonna kill him.
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He gonna be dragged behind a God damn carriage.
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Right? Right.
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But, you know, just the one thing I don't get, like I get
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that is the world of The Walking Dead.
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I get it. But the one thing that I don't
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get it, I just don't understand is why do you have to do
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everything with hostility? Because the way that they're
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making the methane, kind of even going back to fear the way that
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they're making the gas, that they were making gas same way
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they're making this methane. Why don't you just ask for help?
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Show us how to do it like. They're not hurting anybody.
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Walkers are everywhere. That is correct like.
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You know, I can't, you know, kind of what Alexandria did when
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they were trying to help the other community.
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Let us help you rather than us in fighting because fighting we
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just going to lose people. People are a resource that we
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about to lose because we want to start a war and try to take
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something where you could just come over here and hey, can you
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show me how to do this? Right, because if you take the
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methane somewhere else. If you take the methane from
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them, who going to lift those bodies into that tank 'cause I'm
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going to tell you now I ain't. And and enough money in the
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world and enough security in the world to make me do what they
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were doing at the beginning of this episode.
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Absolutely not. But the other thing is, here we
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go again. We saw it with like the
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governor, you see it with all the other villains we've had,
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how you all call yourself an army and go take what somebody
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else developed. Like you said, ask for help,
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show us how to do this. But you can't do that because
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y'all are in the mainland. Y'all, y'all are not cut off.
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So y'all don't have the access to the walkers like that unless
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you go follow a herd. And I mean, we're 20 years in
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now. The herds are few and far
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between. So Manhattan is perfect for you.
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Got a million, maybe 2 million souls on that island.
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Guess what we we can share, we can do some stuff.
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Oh y'all growing corn? Y'all growing food.
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Well, not growing it too much because of the because the, the
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Moss, but y'all growing fresh food.
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We have gas. Let's help each other.
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Why? Why does it have to be?
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And, and that's the one thing I hate because people always ask
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why like how can society fall because of shit like that?
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Because when things get rough, y'all don't know to sit here and
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be like oh let's work together to kind of build things back up.
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You talking all this talk about wanting to bring Manhattan back,
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but the way you want to do it is you want to go take it from
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somebody else. What is what is New Babylon go
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do with these million walkers and then.
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This is my other thought. Once you take it over, you got
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rid of the people who know how to run it.
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What? What do you do?
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What did you win right when you could have just asked for
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fucking help, right? But we logical clearly.
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Clearly, I mean, maybe that is why lose some brain cells if a
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zombie apocalypse happened and you know, but again, 20 years
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down the road, maybe they're just not thinking like they do
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just like we mess with Daryl about you don't know they're
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knock on a building like you got so LAX.
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But he was on vacation. OK, We gonna leave him alone
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about this. But I mean it, it's the same
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thing like. But that is why my name is why?
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I never changed my name but. It's why.
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Yes, right. Because I know why.
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Because we had to come stupid. No, let's just dig a little
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deeper. We had to come up with a Season
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2. And I get that.
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So, you know, get that, which now you wrote it in a way that
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that is kind of stupid because you, you, you should just sit a
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spy in to learn how to do it. Yeah, instead of trying to take
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over. And get your people here.
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That's not human nature. Because why am I going to sit
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here and work hard to learn how to do when I can just take what
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you have that I mean, it's human.
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But that is why we also have spies.
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You spies. We have spies, that's how.
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They found out about Annie and Joshua which.
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So use use the spies, right? Because you're not capable of
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running New York City. So let's just come on.
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Right. Come on all these people is why
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the motivation is why the only people that make sense are the
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kids 'cause they acting dumb but they keep.
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What they supposed to do as teenagers?
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Right, right, right. Right.
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And I mean, OK, I will say this. I I don't have a problem with
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the things that Maggie did in this episode because Maggie was
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like, OK, look, I'm not about to let you take my people because
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they already don't have a lot there.
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So I get it. She's in protector mode.
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You know, when Negan had the conversation with the guy, his
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jail cell, when he had the conversation with the Croat, and
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the Croat was like, oh, so you're not going to cooperate?
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We can go get your little friend.
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He was like, yeah, I want to see you try.
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Did you hear him? He had he had mad respect for
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Maggie. He was like, yeah, you go and
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try and touch that boy. He was like, and she will tear
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your throat out with her teeth right after she guts you with
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her knife. I said he ain't never lied.
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Did you see what she did to to shift in the person?
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Right, right. So I'm OK with Maggie this
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episode. Yeah, I didn't have a problem
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with Maggie the whole, OK, here's my other question I have.
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Why is the diamond in charge? What what the what does she
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offer that makes it so that Negan didn't run Lucille upside
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her head the moment he had the chance?
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Because when you're bringing him to the table and you're talking
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about these other groups and how you want to try to, you know,
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form an alliance and you're like, my methods are no longer
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working. They're not responding to me.
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Well, bitch, why are you in charge?
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Are you in? Charge.
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That's why she went to go find Negan, 'cause she knew she
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wasn't. She was losing control, that
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was. Negan been sitting in a jail
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cell chilling eating real cockroaches while while she been
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doing that y'all know those those real cockroaches he was
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eating yes but so I'm like I I'm so confused by this whole power
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dynamic because why you are old lady and granted maybe you got
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some skills maybe you can throw hands maybe I I just I don't I
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don't. Get it?
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I don't either. And the minute *** had Lucille 2
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point O in his hand. And the minute he saw what
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Lucille 2 point O could do, y'all wanna see the old ***
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Right, 'cause at this point he, he gonna see the levels of
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leadership and be like, OK, this is easy, right?
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Right. I don't even have to go back to
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my, my old self really. I could just do it 'cause.
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You kinda dumb. You all are kinda dumb.
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Y'all are not used to dealing with somebody on Nigga's level,
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which is which is crazy because y'all got all these different
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little games. Y'all got the black chicks with
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the the you? Got that right bitch with the.
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Good looking, all mysterious but y'all let Negan come into this
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church with his corny little monologue and I was thinking I
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was like he's probably being corny on purpose because he
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don't want to be there. The only reason why Negan is
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there is y'all brought Annie and Joshua into and I got a problem
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with that potentially because y'all not going to keep throwing
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around this idea of wife and child if y'all not going to show
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it to us. But that is true.
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Says they on the way. So we going to see they on the
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way. That's what the Dhamma said.
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She said now that they're on their way, we I thought you
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might want to get prepared. That's when he looked up at her
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and said, oh, they don't. But I just I just don't believe
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that they on their way. But that's OK.
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We finna see. I I don't know if she would
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bluff something like that, because again, this is Negan
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we're talking about gang of shit like that in front of him and
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then expect him to be like, oh, I was just kidding.
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Oh, were you? No, Yeah, no, no.
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I think they probably, Yeah, I think they.
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Probably, but then we'll get some of our questions answered
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from YEAH last season of how we felt about him leaving his
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family. Yeah, but I mean and, and then
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also I mean and, and we don't know he could have tried to go
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after them because from what the Dhamma tells us, she says, when
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we were looking for you, we heard tale of a woman and child,
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which I'm like, it's a whole bunch of women and children
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like. Yeah, but she has a strong
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personality, so she's probably doing stuff that makes her
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known. That's the problem.
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She What did she say? She said the train car that they
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were on was supposed to go to Missouri, but it got the road
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got washed out from flooding. So she ended up in Tennessee.
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I'm like, oh, she not too far from she, not too far from
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Alexandria. And you know the other folks,
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but it's possible. Well, this is my next question.
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This is my next question because ultimately everyone knows how I
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feel about this show. Why did Maggie once they came
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back and she got her? So why didn't they just go to
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the Commonwealth and go visit the other family members?
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I mean, maybe a stupid question, I may have missed something.
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Yeah. And and you know what, maybe
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they did and we just, I mean, like I said it, we're talking
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about a year later. There could have been some stuff
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that happened in there. And why you just you, you, you
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could have went to the Commonwealth.
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I don't think she would do that because these people look at
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Maggie as a leader and I don't think she would abandoned them.
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Like, yeah, she might go to visit, but you have to think
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about it. They, they're obviously
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struggling right now because the they.
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Are she could have took them with her migrated.
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I don't know if she would do that, especially because I, I
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don't know. I know I think from Madison she
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just needed a fresh start because she didn't have a, she
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didn't have a good experience in the Commonwealth either.
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So I think maybe the bricks is something new is different and
00:22:10
yes, her people aren't there, but that might also be part of
00:22:14
the appeal because sometimes you can love your family with
00:22:18
everything you have, but sometimes you can't be around
00:22:20
your family. Sometimes you just need to do
00:22:21
things on your own. Well, she's going to miss when
00:22:25
Rick comes back. That's OK.
00:22:27
No, we will have a conversation another time.
00:22:28
Look, all right. But again, that's a but again,
00:22:31
until season 3. But this is again renewed for
00:22:35
they did get renewed for season. Three dead city, yes.
00:22:44
It's the IRO, do it again. They did get renewed for Season
00:22:49
3. Oh my gosh.
00:22:53
Or maybe we'll have some good stuff to talk about.
00:22:55
Right now I just want to get all the complaining out the way
00:22:57
'cause I don't want to complain throughout.
00:23:00
The yeah. And I'm I'm, I'm not.
00:23:02
This is just my least favorite. Yeah, yeah, so far it's like,
00:23:06
and I'm not saying it's a bad episode, but people are making
00:23:09
dumb decisions and people are doing stupid things.
00:23:12
So I'm just kind of like, what? How are you guys all alive at
00:23:14
this point except? The my thought is it seemed
00:23:18
like, and this is my perspective, you can't go from
00:23:23
the main show where we have learned the tips and tricks and
00:23:27
basically how to survive and you learn how to survive for 11
00:23:32
years, 12 years almost, or how much every time they spend on
00:23:36
that show. You've learned for 12 years to
00:23:39
protect yourself, protect your family.
00:23:41
When you in the woods, when you in the community, when you hear,
00:23:44
when you there, when you hear we there, How do you then leave
00:23:48
this grand community that has everything together to go
00:23:53
someplace else and you forget everything you learned?
00:23:56
Cause how? Cause how?
00:23:59
Yeah, 'cause even after Maggie left the Commonwealth, the
00:24:02
Commonwealth had now been revamped and this is where it
00:24:06
is. And that's when Maggie decides
00:24:07
she want to leave and do whatever.
00:24:10
That's fine. At that point, we understand why
00:24:13
you didn't take your home from the Commonwealth in the
00:24:14
beginning, cause Lance was feisty and we knew what that
00:24:17
was. But now that he's gone and
00:24:21
Pamela's in jail, Commonwealth is not run by your friends like
00:24:26
Michelle said. Why wouldn't you just go there?
00:24:28
It's not like that bad blood. It takes two people with you.
00:24:32
Y'all don't have to store grain in the God damn silo and and and
00:24:36
scavenge and still do all of these things when there's a
00:24:38
community. Cause how many people there?
00:24:40
10 people. Yeah, have a community of 10
00:24:43
people. But you know what?
00:24:45
It could also be one, she doesn't want to be around that
00:24:48
many people, especially if all the groups that she's been with
00:24:50
since she left the first time have been smaller groups.
00:24:53
Maybe she doesn't want to be around all those people.
00:24:56
But also too, this goes back to what Rick said in season what,
00:25:00
4-5? Maggie's a leader, Maggie's not
00:25:03
a follower. And maybe she needed to be
00:25:07
somewhere where she could lead and feel like that because she's
00:25:13
tried the following thing. It didn't always work out for
00:25:17
her. And the last time she did that
00:25:18
was with Rick and Michonne and her supposedly all being in
00:25:22
charge. And then Rick and Michonne
00:25:24
decided to let Negan live. So maybe she was like, you know
00:25:27
what, let me strike out on my own.
00:25:30
I'm sure there's still some communication, but like I said,
00:25:34
sometimes you just can't be around your family.
00:25:36
And then if it also could be, maybe she was trying to shield
00:25:42
Herschel from certain things because yes, it might be good
00:25:45
for Herschel to grow with familiarity, but it might also
00:25:49
be a little bit of a burden. Like if everyone walks around,
00:25:52
oh, you look just like your dad. Oh, this is your dad this, your
00:25:56
dad that. And it's kind of like he may not
00:26:00
have an identity of his own because he's always going to be
00:26:03
looked at as Glenn's son. So maybe she was trying to
00:26:06
protect him from that too. I'm just saying 'cause I no.
00:26:10
Because no, But that's some bullshit, because we already
00:26:13
know that every time she fucking look at his Herschel's ass, all
00:26:17
she sees is fucking Glenn. Yeah.
00:26:19
Her, yes, and her and the thing and the thing, right.
00:26:23
But that's her. But when you got several hundred
00:26:27
other people who may be saying the same thing, which I know
00:26:30
it's not that many cause not that many knew Glenn, But but if
00:26:34
you got a group of 20 or 30 who look at you in a certain way and
00:26:38
they're reminded of your dad in a certain way, but it's like
00:26:41
they want to say it and keep his memory alive, but they also
00:26:44
don't want you to feel that burn.
00:26:45
Like I have a friend who passed away and he had sons that looked
00:26:50
exactly like him and they were forever being told, Oh, you look
00:26:55
just like your dad. You sound just like your dad.
00:26:57
Whatever. And one of the, one of the guy,
00:27:00
you know, one of the kids went and told his mom.
00:27:02
He was like, you know, I love my dad, but I feel like I'm an
00:27:07
extension of him and not my own person.
00:27:08
Like, when people look at me, they don't see me.
00:27:10
They see him. So, I mean, and as Anthony would
00:27:15
say, maybe I'm giving the writers too much, too much
00:27:17
credit, but I can just say that could be part of her motivation.
00:27:22
She could be like, OK, I need to kind of maybe distance my my
00:27:26
child from this. Then here it is.
00:27:28
You bump into Negan. You have to go through all that.
00:27:31
And now Negan is locked away in New York.
00:27:34
And now you can kind of be like, OK, you know what?
00:27:37
Everything about that old life is kind of put to the side.
00:27:41
Maybe I can breathe and try to see who I am instead of being
00:27:45
the widow, instead of being Herschel's daughter, Beth's
00:27:49
sister, Glenn's wife. You.
00:27:51
You get what I'm saying? That that could be part of the
00:27:55
reason why she's not with anybody right now.
00:27:59
And I want them to actually put that in.
00:28:03
Yeah. In it, because if not, it just
00:28:06
looks like you're making it so so we can have this story.
00:28:10
Yeah, for like you left us for Frankie and we didn't hear from
00:28:14
you for six years and we don't, we still don't know exactly what
00:28:17
you did while you were gone. Because for me, them showing up
00:28:22
to the bricks. Did y'all go to the
00:28:24
Commonwealth? Yeah, because we know.
00:28:27
We know there are other communities.
00:28:29
They're not going one, they're not going to the Commonwealth, I
00:28:32
can tell you that much. I mean, Commonwealth is too it.
00:28:37
It is. It's too Far East.
00:28:40
I mean too too far West for them.
00:28:44
And like you said, the Commonwealth has 10 strong.
00:28:48
The Commonwealth has tanks depending on where Dead City
00:28:52
falls in the timeline. If Rick and Michelle have
00:28:55
returned back, The Commonwealth also has the newly revamped CRM,
00:29:00
you know, bringing in supplies with the helicopters.
00:29:03
New new Babylon don't want any of that.
00:29:06
They don't want any of that. And if they got spies telling
00:29:10
them what's going on, like you got people telling you about
00:29:13
what's going on in Manhattan, which I'm surprised none of your
00:29:17
people told you. Oh, yeah, there is a Negan
00:29:18
there. But anyway, if, if you got ways
00:29:22
to find out about people and about things, I'm sure they've
00:29:26
sent scouts out. I'm sure they've probably heard
00:29:29
of the Commonwealth, but also the Commonwealth has allies
00:29:35
somewhere because that train wasn't going nowhere.
00:29:38
We still don't know what was what that train was about.
00:29:41
Hell, maybe, maybe the Commonwealth was in league with
00:29:46
New Babylon, but I don't I don't think it would be that way
00:29:49
because the Commonwealth, even though they did use a lot of
00:29:54
like the old rules and the old ways, they weren't necessarily
00:29:59
cruel in that manner the way that New Babylon is.
00:30:02
All these people in New Babylon, except for Pearly, I will give
00:30:06
him that. All these people with the new
00:30:07
Babylon law enforcement, they seem like they're getting a kick
00:30:13
out of hanging people in front of, you know, men, women and
00:30:16
children and, you know, sending people off to go run a fool's
00:30:22
errand to Manhattan because you want to steal somebody's
00:30:25
methane. They just, they seem like they
00:30:28
are enjoying this cruel streak a little too much, especially
00:30:31
those two chicks in charge. That's why I was like, them
00:30:33
bitches got to die. And I I just, I know they felt
00:30:40
some kind of way when Pearly suggested Maggie, you know, to
00:30:46
be on the thing. And he was like, what was it
00:30:50
that she asked him? She said is this one woman
00:30:52
really worth 20 million? Was like, yeah I think she is
00:30:55
like, oh y'all obviously don't know.
00:30:58
And so when they did that little test and Maggie did show OK, you
00:31:02
know what? Yeah I'm over here by myself but
00:31:04
I ain't forgot what I was taught.
00:31:07
I was like these two women right here, y'all can't hold a candle
00:31:11
to Maggie because y'all doing your threatening with you know
00:31:17
vehicles and guns and and trying to be all big and bad.
00:31:21
Maggie got a a stick and a pissed off attitude and she
00:31:26
didn't took out all these walkers in the corral and saved
00:31:30
Jenny and she looking at y'all like what?
00:31:33
And what? Because she thought she was
00:31:35
going to fight people. And the girl was like, Oh no,
00:31:38
he's in Manhattan. You're not going to be fighting.
00:31:40
People looked around. She looked at her like, is this
00:31:45
it? Right.
00:31:49
There's no here work 20 people. We know she worked 20 people,
00:31:54
right? But I, I don't know, like I said
00:31:58
that these new Babylon people, they, they make my ass itch.
00:32:03
And I'm really like, I, I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need
00:32:08
somebody to die or I'm gonna need them to like really get a
00:32:12
ass whooping because I'm, I'm not feeling the, I'm not feeling
00:32:16
these females at all. I'm not feel, I'm not feeling
00:32:19
pearly, pearly with his, with his trying to, I don't know.
00:32:27
He's trying to be the middle man.
00:32:28
He's trying to please everyone. He's trying to make it sound
00:32:31
like. He's trying to get his ass
00:32:33
caught. Up, huh?
00:32:35
He. Tried not to get his ass caught
00:32:37
up. And I get that.
00:32:39
But you look weak, my brother. You look weak.
00:32:44
And then you got dime store Milton over here trying to
00:32:47
school people about what New York used to be.
00:32:50
You weren't even born or you were probably a child when all
00:32:55
this happened. Herschel's looking at him like
00:32:58
he's like, oh, So what you think is funny?
00:32:59
I'm sorry, I think I know. I I've read through the
00:33:03
textbooks and blah blah blah. Herschel was like, I've been
00:33:06
there. He right whoops, dime store
00:33:10
Milton, I'm a your name. I I I was just like, when he
00:33:16
started doing the writing and then he stopped.
00:33:18
New York da, da, da, da, da. I was like, Oh my God, it's
00:33:21
Milton again. It's Milton.
00:33:24
But Milton wasn't as irritating because Milton wasn't trying to.
00:33:29
He wasn't trying to show off that he was the egghead of the
00:33:32
bunch. He was just like, OK, yeah, I
00:33:34
know this and OK, yeah, we can do this.
00:33:36
And you know, he had a little bit of humbleness about him,
00:33:41
This dude, like I said, I'm not feeling none of these new
00:33:44
Babylonian people, men, I don't like them.
00:33:49
And then you coming in, like I said, you try, you're trying to
00:33:53
be I, I don't know, you trying to be law and order in the worst
00:34:00
way, in the worst way. And then you're trying to go
00:34:07
claim an island that most of y'all ain't been on, at least
00:34:11
not since the the dead started rising.
00:34:14
And then you're gonna try to take the methane that the Croat
00:34:20
sat here, figured out how to do, figured out how to make the
00:34:24
things went to go scabbage the the equipment and the materials
00:34:29
to do. And I love that they showed us
00:34:30
exactly how he's doing it at the beginning, because we saw a
00:34:34
little bit of it in the last season, but this one was a
00:34:37
little bit more detailed. I mean, that little bit of gas
00:34:42
lit up all of Times Square. So I'm like the New Babylonians.
00:34:53
I get that they think they ain't a shit, but now that the Dhamma
00:34:57
has Negan back in charge and Negan is just warming up, I,
00:35:02
I'm, I'm kind of ready for that fight to happen.
00:35:06
And then of course they're going to have Maggie.
00:35:07
So, you know, at some point Maggie and Megan are going to
00:35:10
come across each other, which means Pearly and Megan are going
00:35:13
to come across each other, which means the other two are going to
00:35:16
see Megan and be like, so you said you killed him.
00:35:20
He lives very much alive walking around.
00:35:25
I I don't like the New Babylonians.
00:35:30
I didn't like I didn't like them last season and we only saw a
00:35:33
little bit of them. I don't like them in this first
00:35:36
episode. I can tell these are going to be
00:35:38
the people that I'm like, OK, can y'all just kill them and
00:35:40
we'd be done with it just. So it's not going to be so it's
00:35:45
knowing we're going to really care about who lives or dies.
00:35:51
I care about Mia, I do care about Maggie, but I need Maggie
00:35:56
to have a little attitude. But they're not going anywhere.
00:35:58
We know that part. So I'm saying everywhere else
00:36:00
around them, it's almost like Season 1.
00:36:03
I don't. Want to see Herschel die?
00:36:08
I don't think that's Maggie's reading.
00:36:09
If Herschel dies, Maggie would lay in the field of walkers and
00:36:12
get eaten. I don't I don't see that like
00:36:15
her whole purpose is making sure this.
00:36:17
Little boy. So he he's going to, he's going
00:36:19
to survive that. He gonna survive.
00:36:23
Yeah, you're right. Then there's really, there's
00:36:26
really nobody. I think the kids are safe.
00:36:29
I think the kids are safe. Everybody who came.
00:36:31
In out of Jenna keep doing the shit that she's.
00:36:34
Doing give a good whooping, I think everybody who came in with
00:36:40
that whole entourage gonna die. I mean, they need, we don't.
00:36:44
Even remember your name, Yeah. They need to.
00:36:49
I just, yeah, they got on my nerves so bad this episode.
00:36:53
I said, God, we don't have to do this five more times with these.
00:36:57
People. And then I googled how to make
00:37:02
methane from scratch. I mean, I'm sure there's still
00:37:08
libraries. I'm sure they they literally
00:37:11
could make their own methane. There's libraries that can teach
00:37:15
you how to do this because I know y'all didn't.
00:37:18
I mean I'm sure y'all probably burned some of the books but I
00:37:21
mean come on for real. Again, a good spy could go in
00:37:25
there and get the information out.
00:37:28
And see what they doing. That's it.
00:37:30
Like see how the operation is from collecting to machinery to
00:37:37
output. Yeah.
00:37:39
So and that's much easier 'cause if anything.
00:37:46
All your people, they're in New Babylon.
00:37:49
However many people y'all have, 'cause I don't think they've
00:37:51
given us a number. You don't have one engineer in
00:37:54
that whole group. You don't have one scientist.
00:37:58
You don't have one. Which is, which is
00:38:01
understandable. You may not, may you know, have
00:38:05
the smart people in your CRM had all the sciences, Yeah.
00:38:09
So, you know, smart people may not be in.
00:38:13
Your group, but even then going back to world beyond all them
00:38:17
scientists, you don't think somebody at some point figured
00:38:19
out how to make methane to make 'cause they had labs and and all
00:38:24
this brand equipment? I mean, that was part of the
00:38:27
CRM, so yes, I'm pretty sure they did.
00:38:31
And they did not have to take over someone else's area to do
00:38:35
that. Right.
00:38:37
'Cause hell, even even Alexandria figured out the solar
00:38:41
panels. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:44
So they they have look, they don't have to take over,
00:38:47
Michelle. They just decided when folks
00:38:49
weren't doing what they supposed to do, they just don't wipe them
00:38:51
all out. Correct, correct.
00:38:54
I'm just I'm just saying now like you could maybe waste a
00:38:59
couple of your people who again, it's a spy get caught, but you
00:39:03
can get that information and go find the location you want to
00:39:07
have right and turn power on, right.
00:39:10
I want to turn power on in in New York City.
00:39:14
I would like to find some land in Virginia and we can all have
00:39:18
our own homes and a neighborhood, a general store.
00:39:23
Conscription. If people don't want to join
00:39:26
your alliance, if people don't want to join New Babylon, if
00:39:29
people don't want to be in your army, just go and fend for
00:39:33
themselves. Correct that.
00:39:36
There's literally a whole world out there that's that's right
00:39:40
for the taking. 'Cause people survive to other
00:39:43
places. Right.
00:39:44
And then some of them may not survive, and that's OK.
00:39:47
They don't have to be a part of my group.
00:39:49
That part could what a general bill say they would just go walk
00:39:52
across the God damn country and wipe out all these towns.
00:39:54
So you know, it's communities everywhere, right?
00:39:58
They may be few and far between, but they everywhere.
00:40:01
Hell, Rick and Michelle fall people at Yellowstone.
00:40:03
So like, come on. Right.
00:40:06
You know what I'm saying? It's literally people
00:40:08
everywhere. So what are y'all talking about?
00:40:13
It's better to build with these people and be like, oh, if we do
00:40:18
this together we have a community.
00:40:20
Then what? What Jesus say you're we're
00:40:22
about to get a whole lot bigger, let the world get bigger.
00:40:25
Y'all trying to wipe out people that you cannot wipe out.
00:40:28
Especially if there were 5 million people in New York City
00:40:32
alone. You think everybody died?
00:40:34
No. Right.
00:40:36
There are survivors and you think they just going to let you
00:40:40
come over there and take what they got?
00:40:43
No, especially since you're not dealing with just one group,
00:40:48
you're dealing with several groups.
00:40:50
So one group might kind of let you slide.
00:40:53
The other group is going to be like, oh we out for blood, Y'all
00:40:57
don't know what y'all are dealing with over there.
00:41:00
That part but you go but you don't try to take it.
00:41:04
You think it's OK? You go Come on up.
00:41:07
What do you say? You walk over.
00:41:08
You gonna live back? Come.
00:41:10
On all I'm saying is this, when there are two groups of people
00:41:14
in the episode and I'm looking at the Croat like, you know
00:41:17
what, he don't really seem all that bad, there's a problem.
00:41:23
That is, that is true. That is true.
00:41:25
Croat is not trying to go outside of Manhattan to bother
00:41:29
nobody. He's like, Oh no, we can do
00:41:31
everything we need to do right here.
00:41:33
Have. All the dead walkers I need.
00:41:35
If anybody comes over here, I mean, hey, we might kill him,
00:41:38
but I mean. Circle of life illogical.
00:41:43
He's logical. We just had to outsource some
00:41:45
leadership skills. We needed someone to, you know,
00:41:50
give us a, give us a professional development on
00:41:52
leadership skills. Right.
00:41:54
But outside of that, he ain't, he ain't lying.
00:41:58
That's true. He's not.
00:41:59
They they needed some organization so he found someone
00:42:02
he felt would help with that organization.
00:42:05
So. So I mean he doing what in his
00:42:08
mind makes sense to him, because remember even when the Croat
00:42:13
kill old girl, he didn't think he did anything wrong.
00:42:16
So in his mind what are you talking about?
00:42:19
Because he's. Adjusting.
00:42:21
He's adjusting for what this new world should be.
00:42:24
And that was something he said in this episode that I really
00:42:27
started to think about because he was like, you know, the old
00:42:30
world was broken. It's dead.
00:42:33
We can create a new world and honestly that doesn't sound like
00:42:38
a bad idea, especially if y'all are trying to bring the old
00:42:43
world back by doing the same shit.
00:42:45
But they have to make a new world.
00:42:47
The world has literally changed, but that's the problem with New
00:42:51
Babylonians, 'cause even if you tried to make the Old World
00:42:55
again, there are still adjustments and things that you
00:42:58
could never do back in the old World because of what you have
00:43:01
going on right now, right? So there it will never go back.
00:43:05
You may put, you know, pull pieces here and there, but it'll
00:43:08
never go back to the way that it was.
00:43:10
And the problem is they keep trying to put it back the way it
00:43:14
was. Excuse me, how do you think
00:43:17
y'all got here? Thank you.
00:43:20
Just yeah, I just like I said, new Babylon, new Babylon.
00:43:26
I just when I'm sitting here rooting for the Croat that
00:43:31
there's a problem with your group, the I mean, look.
00:43:36
'Cause we root for the bad guys, but.
00:43:40
Then when you, when you sit here and you look at that, OK, yes,
00:43:43
I'm, I'm gonna play devil's advocate.
00:43:45
But are they Croat? That's the.
00:43:47
Thing yeah, the the Croat and his group they have some
00:43:50
questionable methods yes, but in the grand scheme of things, if
00:43:57
you compare what we've seen them do let me let me let me clarify
00:44:02
that what we have seen them do compared to what we've seen
00:44:07
Alpha do compared to what we've seen you know the Commonwealth
00:44:11
which Commonwealth wasn't really that bad Lance was just an ass.
00:44:15
What we've seen the governor do it's like comparatively
00:44:22
speaking, they really aren't that bad.
00:44:25
They just they just want to keep to themselves.
00:44:28
They want to make as much methane as they want so that
00:44:31
they can power the city, so they can get high, so they can have
00:44:35
their Walker things. They don't, if I remember
00:44:39
correctly from last season, they don't really punish anyone
00:44:43
unless they commit like a crime. But even then, it's not like
00:44:49
what what they did to this guy, you know, except for that one
00:44:53
guy that the Croat stabbed because he had a maggot in his
00:44:56
fool. You know what?
00:44:57
I might stab somebody in the stomach too if I take a bite of
00:45:00
my burger and there's a maggot there.
00:45:03
But other than that, it's yeah, I just.
00:45:08
If you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone and we will
00:45:12
handle well, right? But you don't want to leave me
00:45:15
alone. No, you don't.
00:45:16
Bothered. Me, but they bout to fuck around
00:45:20
and find out 'cause Negan. I won't say the old Negan is
00:45:25
completely back. But one thing about Negan that I
00:45:29
think we can all agree on. Megan is a showman.
00:45:33
He is a chameleon. He is going to do what he needs
00:45:36
to do to survive. Now, has he taken has he taken
00:45:41
that too far in the past? Yes.
00:45:43
But we see with the the the last couple of seasons of The Walking
00:45:48
Dead, with the first season of Dead City, with this season,
00:45:52
this is not the person he wants to be.
00:45:54
Nikki spent six years locked up in Alexandria to the point where
00:46:01
he wanted to die. And here he's treating it like
00:46:05
it's every other day. He's like, oh, OK, yeah, you
00:46:08
want this bucket of piece of shit?
00:46:09
I eat your cockroach. Really.
00:46:12
But this is where he is and he's cool with it, right?
00:46:18
He's like, you know what? I can do this.
00:46:21
I don't want to do that. I just got to become that person
00:46:25
again. And y'all don't want him to
00:46:26
become that person again. Let's be honest.
00:46:29
True. 'Cause if you look at it this
00:46:32
way, so he's in a crappy jail with crappy food and he's like,
00:46:36
I'd rather be here. And Alexandra, he had a good
00:46:38
sale. He had food that would make sure
00:46:40
he was fed. But.
00:46:42
You've never He had his little buddies sitting there doing
00:46:45
homework with him. Right, he did.
00:46:48
And and keep it in mind, you're in a better situation there, but
00:46:51
you'd rather die than be you in this crappy situation that you
00:46:55
didn't run on you like, No, I got it.
00:46:57
Right. Come on now.
00:47:00
So I I don't. Think they can do is threaten
00:47:04
his wife and child? That's all they can do.
00:47:06
And that's where they made the mistake.
00:47:09
Right. That's where they made the
00:47:11
mistake, because *** was sitting there.
00:47:13
They're sitting there like courting him with the bottle of
00:47:16
gin and everything and he's just sitting there.
00:47:18
Like look, we don't have this conversation already.
00:47:20
This is why y'all have me locked up because I already told y'all,
00:47:23
I don't want to do that. The minute she mentioned wife
00:47:27
and child he kind of looked, but when she called their names his
00:47:32
whole face changed. I said oh y'all don't let him
00:47:35
out now, all right? What you not going to do is.
00:47:40
Threaten that wife and child. So I think one, we're probably
00:47:45
really about to see how Negan feels about Annie and Joshua
00:47:49
because like we said, we didn't we didn't get that build up in
00:47:52
in the The Walking Dead. We just all of a sudden, oh, you
00:47:56
married and oh all of a sudden she's pregnant.
00:47:59
We didn't get any of that build up.
00:48:01
And then when you bring us into this story, oh, he's already
00:48:05
sent them off because he's put himself in danger and he doesn't
00:48:09
want to endanger them again from the new Babylonian people
00:48:14
because what? One of the New Babylonian
00:48:17
people, excuse me, one of the New Babylonian sheriffs was part
00:48:23
of the group that attacked and raped her.
00:48:27
So yeah, New Babylonians. I'm.
00:48:32
I'm waiting. Let let them walk up in there
00:48:36
with me again and see what they're gonna get.
00:48:40
He's gonna tear both groups apart, so wait.
00:48:43
Wait till he see Pearly again. He's gonna be like before like
00:48:48
for that. I'm gonna see.
00:48:50
Yeah, he. I I feel like both both groups
00:48:53
need to be concerned. Absolutely, absolutely.
00:48:57
Because the New Babylonians you coming to you coming to take
00:49:00
something that don't belong to you.
00:49:02
OK, Negan has been on both sides of that playbook.
00:49:05
So he knows what to do in all situations but the Dhamma.
00:49:09
You threaten this man's wife and child and and, and you've
00:49:12
already you've talked to people who know him.
00:49:15
You got the information from Herschel about, you know, who he
00:49:21
was and what he did. That was that was one of the
00:49:24
reasons why you wanted him was because of the stuff that
00:49:27
Herschel told you. But obviously Herschel doesn't
00:49:30
know the first hand accounts. So he's only giving you a muted
00:49:34
version of what this man is capable of.
00:49:36
And you still want to go after his wife and child.
00:49:39
Oh, I'm when I say Team Negan at this point, give it to him.
00:49:44
Give him hell. I want to see it because they
00:49:47
all going to deserve it. Leave folks alone, let folks
00:49:52
live their lives. Mind your business.
00:49:56
Y'all got all this space, all this country.
00:50:01
Literally all y'all's groups can probably go stay in a separate
00:50:06
state and not have to bother nobody.
00:50:08
Some of these states take 9 hours to get from 11 end to the
00:50:12
other. Y'all got some space?
00:50:15
Yeah, you do. Y'all got some space, and if you
00:50:19
can't make the methane, learn how to play, play with some
00:50:23
stuff, figure it out. Or, you know, go to them and be
00:50:30
like, hey, OK, look, y'all over there on the island, That's
00:50:33
cool. We just wanna know how y'all do
00:50:35
what y'all do. And then we gonna take what
00:50:38
y'all teachers. We gonna go where the hell over
00:50:40
here and y'all don't ever have to see us again.
00:50:43
It could work. It could work, but no, humans
00:50:48
gotta be stupid. They gotta, they gotta be in
00:50:51
control. They gotta, you know, take over
00:50:55
folks stuff. They have to, they have to
00:50:58
colonize because let's let's be honest, that's, that's what
00:51:01
you're doing. That's what you're doing.
00:51:05
So I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not feeling the, the New
00:51:09
Babylonians. I'm, I'm gonna keep saying it.
00:51:11
That's gonna be my catch phrase. No New Babylonians.
00:51:15
No, we don't want them. So anyway, I think we've gotten
00:51:22
all the complaining. I was there anything that we
00:51:25
forgot? Because I was like, I just want
00:51:28
to get all this out so people know from.
00:51:30
John, I'm looking. Where we stand.
00:51:34
So we don't like the New Babylonians.
00:51:36
We are in agreement of that. Yeah, correct.
00:51:39
We are in agreement that we don't really care for the Dhamma
00:51:42
and her people and what she's trying to do because you trying
00:51:45
to unite people under an alliance but you want somebody
00:51:48
else to be the face for you to do.
00:51:50
Right. And that, yeah, now I did love
00:51:56
Negan's whole thing in the church.
00:51:58
I did. It was corny at the beginning.
00:52:01
It was because it was one of those things where I have to do
00:52:04
this something to do it, but I just don't really care.
00:52:08
Right. So I'm kind of dialing this in
00:52:10
until someone want to question like we go follow you.
00:52:14
We got Jordan the group. Oh, OK.
00:52:18
Let me test the waters here, Right.
00:52:21
It is batted by your head. You better move it.
00:52:24
I don't have to move it. The button that electrocute, I
00:52:28
was like, oh Lord, why did y'all give that to him 'cause he's
00:52:32
gonna be out of control now that that right, this is it.
00:52:38
So I I will say this, the Croat and the Dhamma, I think both of
00:52:42
them need to watch their backs because they think they have
00:52:46
Negan on a leash and they have no idea what they just let.
00:52:51
I don't think the coat thinks that he was quite excited.
00:52:54
Like, I think he was really excited when Negan did that, but
00:52:58
I think he knows deep down, like, this can go either way.
00:53:02
I've seen what this man actually will do.
00:53:07
Yeah. So we're just going to take a
00:53:10
risk here. He's like I can he, he's like I
00:53:12
can serve under either right person, which is sad.
00:53:20
Yeah, but you know, he ain't wrapped too tight, so no, he's
00:53:23
not. He's understandable.
00:53:27
OK, do we have anything else to say about this episode?
00:53:33
I can't wait to get to the other episodes.
00:53:35
And yes, we have actually all, we've only watched the first
00:53:39
episode because as I stated on our social media, like Casey was
00:53:45
out of town or out of the country really to celebrate her
00:53:49
50th. And then she came back and then
00:53:52
I left to go celebrate my 50th. And while I was gone, Michelle
00:53:56
and Anthony celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary.
00:54:02
So they were out of the country. So we all just been traipsing
00:54:05
around the place. So we all were like, OK, look,
00:54:09
we're just going to go ahead and just watch the first episode,
00:54:11
talk about it, and then we'll pick it up.
00:54:13
So I have no idea what's going to happen in this season no
00:54:17
idea. I have seen two potential
00:54:20
spoilers one of them I probably feel like OK, yes, that was
00:54:24
definitely a spoiler. This definitely happened the
00:54:27
other one I'm not quite so sure. So you know we're.
00:54:30
So this is what I have. Charlie Bird, she can go real
00:54:36
quick. She's going to be what would be
00:54:38
nice if she is bitten by Walker food.
00:54:41
Walker food. That would be lovely.
00:54:43
And then she's thrown into the pit, right?
00:54:46
That's what I was going to say. Thrown into the pit.
00:54:48
That would be great. What did you say his name was?
00:54:53
Boogle, Brugal. Brugal.
00:54:56
Yeah, I just like him 'cause he's from Sons of Anarchy, so
00:54:59
we'll just see what happens. I just love his facial
00:55:01
expressions. Yeah, he was sitting there
00:55:04
looking at *** like. And then when they were doing
00:55:07
stuff, his, his guy was about to get up.
00:55:09
He's like, no, just sit down. Let's see how this play.
00:55:13
Let's see how this plays out. Let's see how this plays out.
00:55:19
You know Maggie, Yeah. I mean, I like I said.
00:55:24
Well, what would I don't. I don't.
00:55:30
OK, so Maggie and Negan gonna get back together again.
00:55:33
But maybe, maybe we really will see.
00:55:37
Annie. I'm not thinking we will.
00:55:40
I'm just making some theories. Maybe they they do come in, and
00:55:44
Maggie helps. Maggie helps save them.
00:55:47
No. If you're gonna mention her,
00:55:50
she's showing up. So I feel like she's coming in
00:55:53
New York. So.
00:55:54
But Right. And Maggie and Negan gonna work
00:55:57
together to save. His family, yeah.
00:56:01
And maybe, just maybe, Maggie can finally get some closure and
00:56:06
just let that go. But this is just my I'm gonna
00:56:10
say this early. There has to be something in
00:56:13
that final episode that will either because they keep going
00:56:18
on the same this cycle. So there has to be something in
00:56:22
this third episode that's gonna either try them to Darrell back
00:56:26
to the Commonwealth or something from fear. 3rd episode you made
00:56:31
third season. Third season, third season,
00:56:33
third season. So there has to be something to
00:56:35
wrap. You understand what I'm saying?
00:56:38
Because because what? What else?
00:56:41
Right, because I mean it's it's the same and.
00:56:44
Carol are still in play so. Yeah, but like even with Darrell
00:56:49
and Carol, OK, y'all can't keep just traipsing across Europe.
00:56:53
You got children you need to go home and tend to.
00:56:56
So you keep telling everybody those your those, your children,
00:57:00
Uncle Daryl, you need to take your ass home.
00:57:02
Yeah, 'cause you left their ass. But they had, I believe, I
00:57:08
believe that show has been renewed for a fourth season.
00:57:12
So I, I don't know. I don't know.
00:57:16
But OK. Any final thoughts on Dance City
00:57:20
Season 2 Episode 1? Yes, I'm gonna struggle, but I'm
00:57:27
gonna make it because a lot of a lot of things that we have
00:57:32
issues with is that writing. I just feel like we're just
00:57:36
making this because we like these two characters and we like
00:57:41
their conflict. But take the time and really
00:57:45
write it. Yeah, but you're right.
00:57:47
Some of the some of the decisions people are making, it
00:57:50
is not making any sense. No.
00:57:53
And the even the whole thing with Maggie and Negan for me
00:57:56
doesn't make sense because you handled it so beautifully at the
00:58:02
end of the show with them having to work together with Negan,
00:58:07
having to, you know, with Negan trying to take all the burden
00:58:11
off of Maggie, with Negan actually apologizing to her for
00:58:16
what he did. Like you did such a beautiful
00:58:19
job with that. And then like we said, for
00:58:22
Season 1 of Dead City, to go right back into that to the
00:58:26
point where you have now damaged your relationship with your
00:58:30
child because you can't let that go.
00:58:33
You took you took too big a step backwards.
00:58:35
So now I need y'all to kind of bring it back and then move it
00:58:39
forward. So if if we're going to get this
00:58:42
whole thing with Megan, Megan, if we're going to get a couple
00:58:44
more seasons, I need them to be at a point where they are at
00:58:49
peace with their past and with each other.
00:58:54
I'm not saying y'all got to be the best of friends, but y'all
00:58:58
do work well together. When y'all have all of the other
00:59:02
stuff out, you make a great team.
00:59:05
You get shit done for your people.
00:59:07
That's what I want to see more of.
00:59:09
And that's what that would that would be great.
00:59:12
Like them working as a team to get through something right,
00:59:16
understanding where through through that process they are
00:59:21
that she is healing. Yeah.
00:59:24
Yeah. Because he understands.
00:59:26
You already got him understanding how that feels
00:59:30
when him and Annie was on their knees.
00:59:32
So he gets it. He gets the other side,
00:59:36
hopefully she gets what he was saying because again y'all, this
00:59:40
all started when they killed that out.
00:59:43
But we're not, we're not going to start that conversation.
00:59:46
Look, if you want to hear us talk more about this, we will be
00:59:51
having two panels discussing separately Maggie and Megan at
00:59:56
ATL Comic Convention, which is taking place July 18th through
00:59:59
the 20th at the Georgia World Congress Center.
01:00:03
We will have a total of four panels related to The Walking
01:00:07
Dead that weekend. So if you go to our website and
01:00:11
all our social media, you will find our blog post that details
01:00:15
that entire schedule for that weekend.
01:00:18
So come listen to us talk and let us know how you feel about
01:00:22
the whole Maggie and Megan dynamic.
01:00:24
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01:00:26
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