#TWDdeadcity #TWDuniverse A flashback shows the beginning of the end for The Croat's stay with the Saviors. In the present day, Maggie, Negan, and the rest of the Tribespeople solidify their plan for infiltrating The Croat's arena. Maggie berates Negan for keeping secrets while keeping one of her own. The Croat sets a trap that brings him face-to-face with his former mentor. An unexpected reunion gives Maggie pause. Negan's decision to save an enemy backfires.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah, and I am here
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with Casey and Michelle, and we are discussing episode four of
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The Walking Dead, Dead City. Everybody wins a prize.
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And I loved the way that this episode started because we get a
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sanctuary flashback with none other than that asshole Simon.
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I was like, hey, me too. I said it to Scott to help me.
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Simon you ass like he was. He was such a Dick, but he was
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such a great character and I love the way Steven Aug plays
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him, so it was nice to see him. And you know what is the one
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thing Michelle was complaining about in the last episode?
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About nothing tying back to the original show, so.
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We to make this a continuation and not a spin off.
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Yes. So I guess I can go with
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continuation for now Casey, because we do see the sanctuary.
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We see Simon coming in telling Negan, hey, we have a problem.
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And this is the scene that I told you.
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Somebody mentioned about Megan, quote UN quote.
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Megan killing a kid, killing a 14 year old girl.
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And so this is actually what happened.
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Simon is telling Megan, hey, you know, there's some people around
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here who are saying you need to go ahead and cut him loose and
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you know, to someone more like me.
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And I was like, so Simon has been at that a long time.
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So now that we see that I'm like, okay, I can kind of
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understand why he why he betrayed Megan because he'd been
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Megan's right hand person for a long time.
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And it seemed like Megan never gave him more responsibility,
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more trust, whatever. However, this person called the
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Crow Act, you give him free reign to question people, this
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straggler who you found and he has tortured this girl so much,
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this poor kid so much he has killed her.
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And then he's so proud about what he did, cuz he's.
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Very proud. We did it.
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We, you know, she was from the Kingdom.
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What was it that you said? Michelle, at that point, if
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you're if you're torturing me, I won't say anything.
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I'm gonna say anything because. What she want me to say so you
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can stop, right? I feel like she probably said
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that just so he was stopping. Then when you come in and you
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see the condition she's in, and then just to look on Megan's
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face like Megan is just looking at her like what the?
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Fuck they they both are kind of looking.
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Even Simon was just looking in disgust.
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Like, really? But Simon was spending more time
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fussing at the Crow. He was but.
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He but he but he knew what he was about to walk into and he
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was like, this is a mess right here.
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He was like. I had already been in there,
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right? He went to go get them like,
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hey, come look at. Because.
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This shit. Yes, because this is some crazy
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mess right here. I know I'm off the chain, but
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this? Right.
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This is ridiculous. He told you to, He told you to
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step back. He told you to let her walk.
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And what else? He called.
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He called him Slavic, psychopathic something.
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And the crowhead is like, I'm not listening to this childish
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banter. You know, we got what we wanted.
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We got the results. And Simon is like, kids are off
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limits, like Simon was. And Megan is just sitting there
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looking. And, you know, the interesting
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thing about it is that kid almost looks like Jenny.
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And I was like, oh, that's why he took to her so much because
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she's a young girl. She looks like this person the
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Croat killed. And he probably is like, okay,
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well, I have to take care of her.
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I have to save her because I couldn't do that with the other
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kid because according to Simon and according to what we heard
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me and say a couple of episodes ago, he told the Croat to let
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that girl go and say torture her for information.
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He said let her go because she was a kid.
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But I was like, oh, this puts this puts things so much more
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into perspective because. And that's probably too also why
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when Simon finally did, betrayed Negan, Negan made sure he was
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like, Oh no, I'm making sure I don't miss this time I'm going
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to kill your ass because he had already made that mistake.
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But I was like, okay. So now we see what the
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background is between the Crow act and Negan and that kind of
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and don't kids and women are off limits?
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Because if you think about it, too, it makes a lot of sense
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about the original show. The way that he kind of took to
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Carl, The way he kind of took to Judith, to Lydia, you know, kind
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of gravitating towards them especially even though.
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Even I think that he's a teacher too.
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He was a teacher, so he he probably did.
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And, you know, enjoy. And I'm thinking he's probably
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was high school, so he probably did enjoy the high schoolers and
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stuff, right? I mean, think about it.
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When Lucy came in and fussed to him about that jacket, he was
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video gaming with a with a kid. He was gaming with a with a
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teenager. So yeah, I I was just like okay.
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So we kind of get that background.
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And I mean, like I said, if you think about it, when Carl shot
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up the sanctuary, at that point, Carl was old enough, I felt like
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that Negan probably could have looked at him and been like, oh,
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you want to you adult enough. You came and shot up my my
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place. You killed two of my people.
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But he still didn't, right? And he had respect for Carl.
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So, yeah, But anyway. But you know, also, Carl was
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technically supposed to be a little younger than his ass grew
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up to be. He had his growth spurts.
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So, you know, younger than what he portrayed in the in The
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Walking Dead during that period, Yeah, Well, I think he was still
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supposed to be like, technically. 16 It wasn't that
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old yet at that point. He wasn't 16 yet, was he?
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Because if you think about it, he was.
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Well, let me see. Maybe not quite.
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I was, I would say, at the most 15.
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OK, Because he was what, twelveish when Lori died?
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Maybe. I don't think he was 12 at that
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point. No, because he had to be.
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Like maybe 8 when it all started.
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Yeah. So he might have been 10 by the
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time Lori died or not late 9/10, which would give Negan what, two
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or three more years. So he might have been supposed
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to be 12/13 at that period. OK.
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So that would have put him in that same little age range.
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OK, Oh, I'm going to have to look it up.
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I know because look, these time lies and the way The Walking
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Dead doing these kids. Right.
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But I think, I think part of the reason is because, you know,
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Chandler Riggs had such a his growth spurt came like, you
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know, he he sprouted up so quickly, right?
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So even though he should have been portrayed much younger, his
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his body did not. Right, I got he.
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Was like this you grown ass man. Oh, see.
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And then someone, I don't feel like this is correct.
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Someone said that he would be around 12 in the first season.
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See that's. What I thought 12 in the first
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season? He was not 12.
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I'm sorry, that was nowhere near 12.
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And if he was 12, he was like a small 12.
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I would say maybe 10 or 11, but I mean most, most at that age.
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I would give him 10 because he was actually 10.
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So why don't we just go with he should have been just 10 because
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he was 10. If for real 10, we'll have to do
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some research and figure out the, the, the.
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Timeline, you go back and look at him when Rick walked into
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that camp. But he was like, dad ain't no
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fucking 10 year old. Yeah, he could have been.
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He could have been. He could have been 10.
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I said 18, actually 10. Then yeah, so I give him 8 to
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10, so 10 but then but a lot of, a lot of them saying season
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eight when he passed he was 15 going towards 16.
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Alright, we'll we'll, but you know there's no confirmation on
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that. Right.
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Alright, we'll we'll, we'll figure that out.
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But anyway, let's get back to that city because we got to talk
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about some things. So the group, they're getting
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their things together so they can enact out this plan against
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the Crow Act. And of course Luther is missing
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because we know that Luther is dead and.
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Everybody's looking for what? He has.
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His own mind thing is, Amaya says.
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I've looked for him everywhere, so they may have been in another
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building because what was it? The girl who was scavenger said.
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She said I saw him on my way in last night, meaning he was
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outside and then that's when, Amaya says, Did anybody else see
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outside, see Luther? So it might have been maybe the
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building across the street, the building next door, or.
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Literally, Negan could have hit him.
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Because when you're looking for someone, you're not looking for
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them to be dead. You're like Luther.
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Look, Luther Okay, he's not in this room.
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Luther Okay, he's not in this room to you.
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She wasn't walking around. Yeah.
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He was on the floor, he said, complaining about his hand still
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hurting. He didn't try to love that big
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ass dude, no. No, but she could have covered
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him up because she wasn't looking like that.
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So here's the other thing. You know how we we looking for
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somebody, Luther. Okay.
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You're not in this room. They put no answer to that.
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They so. I'm not like when you tell your
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kids to go find something, that's how they look.
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Luther. Luther, I ain't see it.
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No, he's not here. OK, so here's the other thing.
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I'm not sure how I'm feeling about Amaya's character, and I
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don't know if it's just the way that she's being portrayed.
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But one I said this in the last episode, I feel like she's too
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gung ho with this plan about the Crow at like, she has this whole
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thing figured out when she's telling them, okay, we're going
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to do this and you're going to do this and this and you're
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going to lure him here. We're going to do that.
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Like, she has the whole plan mapped out and I'm just like,
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again, I feel like she's too eager.
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And then in this episode, this is where you actually see that
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she and Tomaso are supposed to be, like, together, together,
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because they kiss and they have this little exchange.
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But that exchange did not feel natural to me.
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Like nothing she does feels natural.
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And I kind of sort of feel that way about him too.
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But I feel like he's kind of, I would say more standoffish than
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anything, but something about both of those characters just
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doesn't sit right with me. I don't know if I'm the only one
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that feels that way. I just like I was watching had.
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I feel like they had a good relationship, but I feel like it
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was more to it for some reason, like it something was missing
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that maybe we don't know about. As far as their relationship.
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That's what I felt like because she was, she was like following
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him blindly. You know, oh, he got out.
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He know the way you went through this hell to get out.
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Let's go back. What?
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Right, Right. Okay.
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Yeah, we're missing something. Something that's in there, you
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know what I mean? Yeah, Because it.
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I don't know. And then it's almost also too,
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like the whole thing with Luther where they're sitting here and
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they're talking it out and she's like okay, well where's Luther?
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You know maybe he did leave or you know and everybody's like to
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lose and leave. She's like, no, we're just,
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we're just trying to figure it out.
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And of course Nema has the Negan has the chime in and he's like,
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yeah, well, you know he wasn't too keen on this plan.
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But somebody that big is hard is hard to go missing.
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I was like, she lied ass. But I don't know.
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Between her, I guess, like you said, haphazardly looking for
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Luther because yeah, if if you're really, really looking,
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you would have found him because again, one Negan can't stay gone
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long enough to move a body, not with Maggie there because Maggie
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has been watching him like a hawk, you know.
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And I just, I don't know. And then Tomaso him saying,
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well, you know, Luther probably took off.
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He didn't want to be part of this plan anyway, you know,
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agreeing with Nick. And he was like, that's OK we're
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going to do what we're going to do.
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And he's going to be, you know, mad when he sees we pulled it
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off. I'm like, it's, I don't know,
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something about them. It's just weird.
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But even even from the first time we met them, when Megan
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Negan came around the corner and she's, you know, trying to get,
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she's trying to fuss at Esther for bringing strangers.
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And she was like, So what are you guys doing here?
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Because it doesn't look like you big heads are from here.
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Like really? This is like, you don't know
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nothing about them. You could have said Dick head
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and they could have shot you right there because they don't
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like that word. I don't know.
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Something I heard just saying off.
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The whole group is off, so I just, I just think they're here
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to die. I just.
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I just think we need care just to kill off I.
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Guess well, guess what? Guess what's going to happen?
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Can you? Huh, I said.
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She said she need characters, Characters to die out.
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Well, guess what's going to happen because we go to the
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arena. Right.
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And they go down OK quickly. I mean, I was like, I was like,
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who's left? I was thinking, well, who's left
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them? Motherfuckers went down so fast,
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so a bunch of. Skin.
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I said what? Ain't nobody gonna make it.
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And my first thought was what Jimmy did.
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I forgot. OK, so so since we just skipping
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around, let's let's talk about this.
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So you go into the arena, you realize that no, none of the
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Baroczy are there, and then they have set these traps so these
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barrels explode and you're bringing walkers in the arena.
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Why the fuck y'all didn't get in that cage and surround all the
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walls and start killing them through the fence?
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Like, excuse me, I know that Amaya and Tomaso and all of
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those people don't know, but Maggie, you present 101.
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What the fuck? Correct.
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Why are they treating these people like they have not been
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in the apocalypse for years now? I'm almost to the point where.
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Everybody's stupid. Right.
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You can go up the stairs, go down the road and let the
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walkers just fall down. They can't climb up because we
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don't have variance. They can't climb up, they can't
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climb down. They're going to fall down.
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They climb down stairs. They making these.
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They frustrated me, yeah. Because I was thinking, come on
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now, come, come on now. Y'all had enough people at the
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time before everybody started getting killed off.
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Y'all had enough. People, you had enough to go up
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the stairs too and get out the way, but that's neither here or
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there. But here's the thing.
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And maybe act like she didn't go through the shit with Alexandra
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when all the fucking walkers or the time with the with the
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goddamn wolves or any of these other fucking instances where
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walkers overrun your town. And I will say this too.
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I will say this too. We did say in the last episode,
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and Luther also said in the last episode, you going to get us
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killed? I really kind of felt like she
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wasn't too worried about them as long as she was still OK and
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Jenny was OK and even she almost left Jenny and then she.
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Didn't give up, Jenny. Well, no, because Maggie had a
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window to get the fuck out and she turned around and saw Jenny
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ass and she went back and then that's when she decided, OK,
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follow me, let's get into. But that group you had before,
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you had a minimum of eight people.
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It's an Octagon 45678. Lock the gate, lock the door.
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Y'all all have weapons like it's going to take y'all forever.
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It's eight of y'all. Yes, that's a lot of walkers,
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but y'all have a better chance doing that shit with each
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other's backs against each other than out there, which y'all was
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doing. Grabbing pads off the edge?
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Stay in the circle. Now who did that shit inside the
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Octagon with a lot more? People, Yes, a lot more the. 2nd
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That music came on. Everybody should have ran to the
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Octagon. Everybody.
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Oh my God. No, no.
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See, the people you went there for ain't there.
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They're not as empty as hell. So you should have went to the
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Octagon when you heard the music, then if that didn't spur
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you on the second you heard out of goddamn explosions go off
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your ass should have known then that was a trap.
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You should have known then it was a trap.
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But then here goes the other question.
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How in the hell did the Crow Act know they were coming?
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That's twice that the Crow Act has now bested these tribes
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people. He found their hideout and now
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he realized they were coming. Somebody, somebody is spilling
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the beans. I feel like somebody in that.
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Group, yeah, because it has to be because they had a plan.
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He had a plan, like down to playing the CD to get everything
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started with the lot, with the lighters and stuff.
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So he had a plan. So he knew they were actually
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coming. And that's, I mean, I knew.
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Know what? Well, of course he knew they
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were coming because they have the sheriff.
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Never mind. The sheriff was saying that
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they're coming up there, but the.
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Sheriff doesn't know about the tribes people.
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He doesn't, but he know that Negan and Maggie's coming.
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But. That production that the Croat
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did, You don't do that for just two people then.
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Then I agree. You don't do that for just two.
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You're not blowing up your spot for two motherfuckers.
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No. Because that's your spot.
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You you have the best that is true.
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That is true. And you want to keep him alive
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and you want to get alive. So you wouldn't have done all of
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that. So somebody gave the exact plan.
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The fact that Herschel is not there, and the fact that not
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only the fact that Herschel is not there, the fact that they
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left a fucking decoy that looks almost like him.
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Yep. This was some planned shit.
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So who's the snitch? Well, the snitch can't be too
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alive, though I'm. I'm just saying.
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I don't know because like I said, I had Tomaso.
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And you know who? The snitch is Maggie knew who
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the fucking snitch was. Because if you go back to the
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what's the previous episode when they was talking about the plan
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and she saw them that the marks on his back she was like.
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So you think it's Tomaso? Absolutely.
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OK, that would. And that would explain why he's
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still alive. OK, because he should be dead.
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I'm sorry. That motherfucker pulled the
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Rosita, but I was, I was fully expecting.
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Even though he got out of that, I was like, OK, he he bit
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somewhere, that's what. I.
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Thought too. I thought that too.
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That's OK. Yeah.
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Something ain't right. Something, something just ain't
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right. I'm.
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I'm singing in my Keith Sweat voice.
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Something is not right about the situation here.
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And it's like, I don't know, OK, So I don't, I don't want to
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voice this. Because I don't know if I quite
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believe it yet, just based on what we've seen, but I have seen
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enough sneaky looks or weird looks or strange looks coming
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from Maggie. I don't know if I feel like
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anyway. Well, I feel like this too.
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If it comes to the tribes people and her child, they can all die.
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But. She needs them, but she.
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Needs them to get to him and it wouldn't make any sense for her
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to lead them into the arena knowing that they, you know what
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I'm saying? So it was kind of like, I know.
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Maggie's not the spy. Of course not.
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Maggie didn't leave them to that shit.
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Maggie wouldn't do. Maggie's not going to do
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anything that's going to jeopardize her damn son.
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She's trying to get to him. Period.
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Whatever that looks like. So that Negan is going to help
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her get to her son. That's it.
00:23:28
That's all she care about. Help me get my son.
00:23:30
You going to help me get my son? But OK, here's the other thing
00:23:34
you want. This man to help you get your
00:23:35
son. Don't be questioning him about
00:23:37
shit like finding beeswax in his bag when your ass got a whole
00:23:41
stuck ass dynasty. You know what she?
00:23:43
Know what She saw that beeswax? She know exactly what that man.
00:23:47
Oh, you killed his ass. Come on now.
00:23:50
You said I can. She was like, you've done enough
00:23:53
explaining. He was like, so you mean to tell
00:23:56
me you haven't done anything that you needed to explain?
00:23:59
Well, she has a lot to explain. She has a lot.
00:24:02
I'm feeling like maybe, maybe we did say this earlier.
00:24:07
I don't know which one you guys said it that Maggie Go was to
00:24:11
exchange Negan for Herschel. Yeah, but this is the whole
00:24:18
entire plan. This was the plan.
00:24:22
I kind of feel, and he already told her that he that she was
00:24:25
going to court told her that she's going to run into some
00:24:28
people. You can bring them along too.
00:24:32
Could, could be and she don't care.
00:24:36
So this was the exchange. And she felt okay with it.
00:24:42
Could be. But you.
00:24:43
But you see, she does have she does have some doubts about it.
00:24:47
Because even right before she found the beeswax, when she was
00:24:50
holding his matches, because he asked her about his matches.
00:24:53
Have you seen my matches? No.
00:24:55
Right. But then they.
00:24:57
Had that little bitty bonding moment where she was talking
00:25:03
about, I think somebody in the Tribes people was playing a
00:25:07
harmonica and every time she heard it, it's like she would, I
00:25:10
was like, is something about to trigger her?
00:25:13
Because it's almost like she was sitting there, like.
00:25:16
Like, ticking. And then she tells the story
00:25:19
about when Herschel was a baby. You know, the upstairs neighbor
00:25:22
had a harmonica. This had to have been at Hilltop
00:25:25
because that's where they were when Herschel was a baby.
00:25:27
But she tells him that story. And then, you know, he says the
00:25:32
thing, he was like, you know, this is going to work.
00:25:34
Your plan is going to work. We're going to save your son,
00:25:37
Maggie. And she looks almost regretful.
00:25:41
And then she was like, hey, I have something to tell you.
00:25:44
And I feel like she's about to tell him about Jenny until she
00:25:47
she saw that. Goddamn wax.
00:25:49
Yep, I agree to that. You getting mad at him for the
00:25:54
beeswax and keeping the fact that Luther is dead a secret,
00:25:57
but you ain't told him that his surrogate child is running the
00:26:01
streets of Manhattan by her goddamn self somewhere.
00:26:05
And this was. Even before you actually saw
00:26:08
her. Right.
00:26:11
Think about it. Right.
00:26:12
She didn't know what the situation was with Jenny when
00:26:15
she found that dinosaur. Jenny could have been kidnapped.
00:26:18
She could have never made it to New to New Babylon.
00:26:24
Such things that happened. She didn't know that Jenny
00:26:27
actually made it to New Babylon and then ran away.
00:26:31
She just knows I know where that dinosaur is from.
00:26:35
So that's not a good thing. Either Jenny is here on her own
00:26:38
free will or somebody took her. It could have easily been the
00:26:41
Croat. The Croat could have sent people
00:26:43
back to New Babylon and be like, especially because, like I said,
00:26:49
she kind of, sort of looks like the kid that started this whole
00:26:53
thing between Negan and the Croat.
00:26:56
A whole bunch of reasons, but the fact that you were sitting
00:26:59
here sitting on top of a secret like that, but you going to get
00:27:02
mad at him because he didn't mention to you?
00:27:03
Oh yeah, by the way, Luther tried to kick us out and then
00:27:06
came and attacked me. So I killed him in self-defense.
00:27:09
I killed him by accident in self-defense.
00:27:13
He actually. Has a valid reason for what he
00:27:16
did. She does not.
00:27:18
The only reason why she hasn't said anything about Jenny is
00:27:21
because she knows If Negan knows that Jenny is there, he's going
00:27:24
to abandon her and go take care of Jenny and then she going to
00:27:27
be stuck with these people that she doesn't know trying to save
00:27:29
her son. These people don't give a fuck
00:27:31
about her son Maya if. Anything.
00:27:34
If she's not the mole or whatever, she's just worried
00:27:39
about revenge. Oh, you killed all my people.
00:27:41
I'm about to kill you. Tomaso feels it feels like he's
00:27:46
going to do whatever Amaya tells him to do, because that just
00:27:49
seems the dynamic right now. Oh, Amaya said we're going to do
00:27:53
this, okay, we're going to do it.
00:27:54
Yeah, I know we said we weren't going to help her, we weren't
00:27:57
going to attack the Croat, but Amaya said we're going to do it,
00:27:59
so we're going to do it. And then you talk most of your
00:28:03
people into doing it, and then they end up dead, just like
00:28:06
Luther said. But I.
00:28:11
Again, I'm looking this this doggone Octagon.
00:28:14
It's just it it makes me mad because I was watching this.
00:28:17
I was like. Do we not remember?
00:28:19
The prison, like Mackey, especially you, was at the
00:28:23
prison. But even that she has experience
00:28:27
with tactical warfare, so I mean she should.
00:28:33
It was a slow reaction. It was just so like, did you?
00:28:37
Not learn at the right hand of Rick Grimes.
00:28:40
I'm just so. I was just confused, like, why
00:28:43
are we just just standing here just being murdered Eight.
00:28:50
Yeah. It was just so sad for those
00:28:52
people. They ain't stand a chance.
00:28:57
We knew that. A chance in hell.
00:28:59
None. None.
00:29:03
And in the. Meantime, while they're doing
00:29:05
this, Negan is playing hide and go seek with with With the Crow
00:29:10
at. With the whistle.
00:29:12
Game looking for Maggie, who was supposed to be boosting a car.
00:29:18
And then that's when she sees Jenny and she leaves the weapon
00:29:21
in the car, or she leaves the little screwdriver in the car
00:29:23
and chases after Jenny. And that's when all this stuff
00:29:26
happens. But Negan is.
00:29:28
Looking in the car, he sees the screwdriver, but there's no
00:29:31
Maggie. So now Megan is thinking
00:29:33
something that happened to me, right?
00:29:36
It's just it's just too much. It's.
00:29:42
I don't. Know like, I understand.
00:29:45
Sometimes plans go to shit, but y'all have two shit real fast
00:29:50
because y'all have. Too many extra factors.
00:29:56
Maggie should. Have said something about Jenny?
00:29:59
From junk way before. Because.
00:30:01
Now you're distracted because you're you were so worried about
00:30:05
him being distracted. And now you.
00:30:08
Ain't doing what the fuck you supposed to be doing?
00:30:12
And now all your. People who came with you are
00:30:16
dead for the most part. And even though Tomas rose from
00:30:22
the ashes, I know that was. I'm sorry that was not now.
00:30:28
Scratch none. And then I thought.
00:30:33
I thought the same thing, like, oh, he's been somewhere.
00:30:35
No, he's good. Well, I mean.
00:30:38
We could see something in the next if I have on corduroy.
00:30:41
Maybe that jackets made out of corduroy.
00:30:43
That is not a. Toughest suit?
00:30:45
Only Elton has those I'm trying to figure out.
00:30:48
How you survive the, the, the. Onslaught of walkers that rip
00:30:54
and tear at skin. But you made it out unscathed.
00:30:57
Because I will. Say this, yeah, y'all y'all were
00:31:00
doing your fighting and y'all were holding your own, but you
00:31:02
ain't no Rosita, not from what I've seen in this show.
00:31:06
So there is no no no. So maybe he and he could be the
00:31:10
mold. He could be that why he know how
00:31:15
to get out. I mean, yeah, because if you
00:31:21
think about it. He claims to have.
00:31:23
Escaped, which is possible. But like you said, he did have
00:31:29
those scars on his back. And like I said in the last
00:31:31
episode, he looks like like those are gashes.
00:31:35
Those are not just from a whip. Somebody took some metal or
00:31:38
something to him. Somebody got a cat of nine.
00:31:40
He was torture. Yeah, I was going to say the
00:31:44
Croat probably tortured him. It was like, yeah, I'll give
00:31:49
you. What you need?
00:31:49
What you need. What you need?
00:31:50
What you need? Lead the people back here so I
00:31:55
can kill them all, right? O.
00:31:57
K So I'm sitting here looking one Piper's ass.
00:32:01
Yeah, but because I'm sitting here looking, OK, when all of
00:32:06
the walkers are coming in 123. No, that could be.
00:32:14
There's like 15 people walking with them right now.
00:32:18
Drift escape from these walkers and and how many that Octagon
00:32:21
I'm. I'm I'm mad now.
00:32:22
How many people didn't end up being left over?
00:32:26
It's falling. There now, I think, all right,
00:32:28
it's only four. No, I think it was, it was what?
00:32:31
Maggie, Jenny, Amaya, Tomaso. I think there were two others
00:32:34
and then they. Just all ran in there.
00:32:37
It's four people in there. It's only four people.
00:32:39
There's nobody else left. Why did I think?
00:32:43
Somebody else died after they came out of the Octagon, No.
00:32:47
It's it's them four. And then that's when Tomas come
00:32:50
out. Like I made it.
00:32:51
I'm a survivor. Oh, yeah, OK, that's right.
00:32:54
Because Tomaso wasn't in in the the black lady.
00:32:59
And then? She got afterwards.
00:33:02
Yeah, she got and then it's and then it's four.
00:33:04
They went into the room. Yeah.
00:33:05
OK, so. Have all those people before
00:33:11
made it down? To the tunnel.
00:33:13
OK, so here's. The other thing, so all of these
00:33:15
walkers are coming in. You do have walkers coming in
00:33:18
from the top of the stairs, and I don't recall.
00:33:20
I don't recall seeing any of them fall.
00:33:22
So walkers know how to walk downstairs now that's what I was
00:33:26
saying. I mean, I.
00:33:33
I don't know. It's it's almost like and I
00:33:36
don't know if it's just that because so much time has passed.
00:33:41
That. Maybe I don't want to change,
00:33:44
the rules have changed, or if it's just that maybe the walkers
00:33:48
have evolved in some way, or maybe not evolved but they
00:33:52
adapted these. Ain't evolved because if these
00:33:55
were variance, they would climb that goddamn fence.
00:33:57
Yeah, but. But that's what I'm saying.
00:33:59
I'm not saying variance in that they can do the other things,
00:34:02
but I mean like. Obviously none of them was
00:34:05
falling down the stairs, so. They figured.
00:34:10
Some stuff out I I don't know, but I I don't know.
00:34:18
I'm just I'm just looking at this in the background, just
00:34:21
like. There.
00:34:25
Y'all could have. There were.
00:34:27
So many. Different ways y'all could have
00:34:28
handled this situation, Yeah, because I'm looking at them now.
00:34:31
Like going through the little gauntlet with the little things?
00:34:35
Okay also. So the first, the first, the
00:34:38
first chick that gets pulled off and dragged, Why the fuck are
00:34:42
you walking around with your long ass, ass length, hair loose
00:34:47
and hanging? Fashion.
00:34:58
I'm just OK. Tomas just.
00:35:00
Rose from the ashes to save a Maya.
00:35:03
Oh, in your back. Yeah, I just.
00:35:06
And now they're able. To make it to a door.
00:35:10
I mean shit they killed in this people.
00:35:12
He's leading them to where they need to call.
00:35:14
Y'all come this way come this way.
00:35:17
Well, I mean that that could easily be explained by the fact
00:35:21
that he has been there. And you know, he did say that he
00:35:24
knew about the tunnels because his his nono knew.
00:35:29
Why didn't he say that when they first when they started first
00:35:31
having issues? Because he pretended like he
00:35:34
know what to do either. Everyone pretend like they
00:35:36
didn't know what was the best way to get out of this
00:35:38
situation. Now you but now you know how to
00:35:43
get out this situation. I don't.
00:35:48
Know you know what my one problem?
00:35:49
With this backroom is that's the problem OK?
00:35:54
They were. Struggling to get that
00:35:55
motherfucking tank or whatever in front of that goddamn bell. 2
00:36:00
walkers. Came knocking on the door.
00:36:02
The whole thing moved. Really.
00:36:04
Yeah, I thought the same. OK, I'm.
00:36:06
Looking at them pulling that tomaso, they are pulling his
00:36:10
shirt and all this. You can't tell me that No one,
00:36:16
no one didn't get a scratch. I mean, literally, people fall
00:36:20
on the Walker, get up and be like, oh shit, I got bitten on
00:36:23
my hip. You were?
00:36:27
Like it wasn't even enough time to get bitten.
00:36:31
But you over here with about five of them on top of you, and
00:36:33
nothing's wrong. And not only.
00:36:35
That when they're dragging you away, you're not even trying to
00:36:38
fight anymore. You're so busy looking at Amaya,
00:36:41
getting your last look in. Yeah, your ass should have been
00:36:44
dead. So yeah, I that motherfucker
00:36:51
pulled the Hulk Hogan. That's the only way I can
00:36:53
explain it. He's the Hulk Hogan of.
00:36:58
The Walking Dead universe. Because other than that, it
00:37:02
makes no sense that Tomaso survived that.
00:37:05
None whatsoever. He definitely.
00:37:07
Don't have on corduroy. I just verified there's no way
00:37:12
he could. Have survived that if Rosita got
00:37:14
a bite and Rosita had on a sweater and a hoodie and a damn
00:37:19
baby bag. And she was.
00:37:21
Fighting, not just the. Whole fucking face on her.
00:37:27
Yeah, this ain't making it. And we're supposed to be?
00:37:30
Stupid. And then even at the aerial
00:37:33
shot, like they didn't kill that many fucking walkers, no,
00:37:41
because they had. Hundreds of walkers outside?
00:37:45
No. But what I'm?
00:37:46
Saying is as much smashing and slashing and shit.
00:37:50
It wasn't barely no walkers laying down.
00:37:54
And then the. That guy ate what is cause I
00:37:57
don't even see cause normally you know it.
00:37:59
It ain't that much time ain't passed.
00:38:01
Why they still down there munching on the motherfuckers?
00:38:04
Because, because they. Got a lot of bait walking around
00:38:07
not knowing what the fuck to do? Nah.
00:38:10
They was eating. They was eating.
00:38:12
Some of them might have been. But Nah, they had live bait.
00:38:15
They were like, oh, we'll come back to this look.
00:38:18
They're they're probably thinking in their zombified
00:38:20
mind. You know what?
00:38:21
That meal ain't going anywhere. We're going to go chase this
00:38:24
meal. So yeah, that's what that was.
00:38:28
You got live debate, you got all the noise and everything.
00:38:33
Yeah, that's where you're going. That's where you're going.
00:38:37
They followed the noise. The sound of my food, but in.
00:38:42
The midst of all this, like I said, is playing hide and sleep
00:38:45
with the with the Crow at. And and The thing is, they are
00:38:53
so. Funny.
00:38:54
The car was happy. As hell to be chasing that to
00:38:57
Megan, Megan, I told. Him.
00:38:58
He's like a fucking kid. Yeah, I.
00:39:04
Have no I have no doubts now. He does not want Negan dead.
00:39:08
He does. Not he does.
00:39:10
Happy. He wants his friend back.
00:39:14
Before we even get to that part, it it was it was creepy him
00:39:19
talking to the girl. Yes, OK.
00:39:23
So I was. Going to ask about that because
00:39:24
I'm like, who is this girl? Do I?
00:39:27
Scare you? Yeah, you You don't see how I'm
00:39:29
looking at you, I'm. Scared, OK.
00:39:33
Like you. You, you never have need to be
00:39:37
afraid of me. And she's looking at.
00:39:42
Look, you're. Telling me not to be afraid of
00:39:45
you while you are having me play music.
00:39:47
To set a trap for other people so you can kill them.
00:39:52
No reason to be scared. Nothing.
00:39:53
Why would? You be scared.
00:39:56
Why would you be? But I don't know I.
00:39:58
Kind of feel like he was looking, you know, the way he
00:40:01
was talking to her. It was kind of like he was like,
00:40:04
I've enjoyed, you know, watching you grow up into this strong,
00:40:09
loyal, confident soldier or whatever he called her.
00:40:13
I feel like that was maybe like a substitute for his his
00:40:19
children, his deceased children. Like, oh, I did get a chance to
00:40:22
do this. Or I did get a chance to maybe
00:40:25
not necessarily make up for what he did to the girl at the
00:40:29
sanctuary, but kind of like, almost kind of like the way that
00:40:34
he's looking at this relationship with Megan.
00:40:39
As like he's viewing Megan as a hero or as a father figure or
00:40:46
someone that he needs to impress, someone that he needs
00:40:50
to prove himself to. I feel like he's kind of looking
00:40:53
at her the same way this girl, like, oh, you know what?
00:40:57
I'm not the scary person. I can.
00:40:59
I can be a good person to a child I don't have, you know, I
00:41:02
feel like it's kind of that way. But it is very weird.
00:41:08
Comes across. Very weird.
00:41:11
So. It comes kind of he's a creeper.
00:41:15
It's just he. And it doesn't and.
00:41:19
And and forgive us if it's supposed to be someone's
00:41:22
identifying as a boy, It doesn't matter.
00:41:25
He's coming off as a creeper. It does.
00:41:27
I don't care what background he thinks he's thinking of is his
00:41:30
children, or what he has done in this past.
00:41:33
I feel like he has this relationship with other people
00:41:37
and he is creepy. Yeah, and makes other.
00:41:42
People feel creepy, yes. Very, you know, very uneasy,
00:41:45
like no one. Like some people are OK being
00:41:48
there and some people are almost like, they're scared, right?
00:41:52
Right. And he thinks.
00:41:54
That I see what you're talking about because I'm looking at the
00:41:56
aerial view. You do have one group of walkers
00:41:59
over here in the corner eating on, I guess, on one of the
00:42:02
people. But yeah, you have like maybe
00:42:06
less than 30 walkers on the ground.
00:42:08
They do nothing. And for it to for it to be that
00:42:13
many walkers because. They was killing them in the
00:42:16
Octagon, each person because hell, Maggie killed 6 standing
00:42:19
there by herself and that looks like that's all.
00:42:25
And why they're not all lined up dead around the the, the, the
00:42:28
Octagon. We all, we all was jabbing them
00:42:30
at the where do walkers go? Maybe they didn't stab them in
00:42:36
the head. Maybe once they filmed the
00:42:38
episode, nobody go back and look at it.
00:42:42
This is what you get because y'all continuity ain't giving.
00:42:49
It's not, it's not, it's not. It's just not.
00:42:53
Like, y'all are too busy looking at technical stuff.
00:42:55
I don't, I don't feel like they're paying attention to the
00:42:57
little stuff. Like we like, like us as fans
00:43:01
would pay attention to stuff like the fact that you said,
00:43:04
yeah, there should be dead bodies all around that Octagon
00:43:07
because they were sitting there killing bodies while they were
00:43:10
in the Octagon. And I mean, if you think about
00:43:13
the number of walkers they individually killed outside the
00:43:18
Octagon, there should be more bodies there.
00:43:22
There should be more bodies there.
00:43:24
There should be walkers feeding on on more than one four times.
00:43:28
As many walkers as out there. Yeah, easily, easily.
00:43:35
But you you got. 13 Walkers OK so we just going we just going
00:43:42
to leave that alone we just going to say we see and then
00:43:45
your. Friends should be, and the 13
00:43:46
walkers are the ones that died. Where are they?
00:43:51
So technically speaking, all of them should be lunch right now
00:43:54
for the for other walkers exactly, or they getting up.
00:43:58
If they should have bodies, you should have piles with.
00:44:02
Walkers eating them. And then you should have all the
00:44:05
dead spread spread out around right, but you just look.
00:44:10
Like, oh, he fell over there. Three of them fell right there.
00:44:13
It's a group, right? Right, because here's the other
00:44:16
thing that I noticed in some of the other Walking Dead shows.
00:44:21
OK, so when you have someone that is killed by walkers, and
00:44:25
the walkers descend and start eating them.
00:44:28
Now we always see the walkers literally tearing their flesh
00:44:32
apart, tearing their insides out, like really eating into
00:44:39
them. How is it these people still
00:44:41
getting up, walking around? Like at some point I understand
00:44:47
your your Walker. Whatever this disease is, it
00:44:51
reanimates you. But if the walkers that ate up
00:44:55
your legs, if they don't ate up your stomach, even as a regular
00:45:00
person, your body is not going to be able to withstand that
00:45:05
damage. You're going to be hunched over.
00:45:07
You're going to be like. Too many times when we see
00:45:12
people go down as walkers and they are like being torn apart.
00:45:17
Like let's say T dog T dog got torn apart.
00:45:23
We never saw him get up as a Walker Okay, at least not as far
00:45:27
as we know. I just like the people that
00:45:33
Martin. What's his name?
00:45:34
Nick. Nick.
00:45:37
The one who was on the. Trash Can with Glenn Nicholas,
00:45:43
yeah. Nick Nicholas.
00:45:44
You didn't see him as a Walker. No, and he didn't.
00:45:48
But you know what? But you know what?
00:45:49
He shot himself in the head. Yeah, that's right.
00:45:53
He shot himself in the head. But like I mean just think about
00:45:56
some of the okay let's let's go to Fear The Walking Dead right
00:45:59
now strikes father. He got pulled apart when when he
00:46:06
died. But there he was at the end of
00:46:09
her life. His uniform was still pretty
00:46:11
much intact he still had the the binoculars around his neck like
00:46:18
I I don't know. Anyway, we'll just we'll we'll
00:46:21
just move on from that because I'm sure this is not going to be
00:46:25
the last time that we look and say ain't there supposed to be
00:46:28
more bodies dropped. So let's talk about the Croat
00:46:33
and and Negan, because the Croat is a small.
00:46:38
Child that was happy to show his daddy what he built, right?
00:46:43
That's. It like send me away.
00:46:47
But guess what I did? I took what you said and I made
00:46:51
it. I made it better.
00:46:53
We can all live here. You can come here.
00:46:57
And Nate Negan is steady sitting there pointing this, this.
00:47:03
Gun. I don't even know if you want to
00:47:04
call it a gun, this weapon. And I just So what he talks
00:47:12
about, he was like the the guy that Negan put through the
00:47:15
glass, he was like, yeah, I heard about blah, blah, blah.
00:47:18
He was like, it sounded like your handiwork.
00:47:20
You probably assumed that I wanted revenge.
00:47:24
Yeah. So you shot.
00:47:25
Yeah. So you shot my ear off.
00:47:27
I have another. It's cool.
00:47:31
Then he starts. Then he starts asking about
00:47:34
Lucille. Is she broken?
00:47:37
Where is she? I was.
00:47:39
Like, And then he said one too many hits to the head.
00:47:41
I was like, this dude. Yeah.
00:47:46
And. And if you think about it, like
00:47:47
what what Megan says earlier in the episode to Maggie when she
00:47:53
asks him, she says, Are you ready?
00:47:54
And he was like, yeah. And then he said, no, I'm not,
00:47:58
he said. And it's not because the I know
00:48:01
the Croat wants to kill me. It's because the closer we get
00:48:06
to him, it starts sounding like a familiar song, one I'm no
00:48:12
longer interested in playing. Negan clearly does not want to
00:48:17
be here. He clearly.
00:48:19
Does not want to go. Back to being the the Negan that
00:48:23
we were introduced to. But people keep pulling him back
00:48:26
in that direction. They keep like, yeah, I just
00:48:33
that whole that whole conversation and he's still
00:48:36
telling me again he was like the whole island will become our
00:48:40
sanctuary fueled by death in the bowels and making just looking
00:48:44
at him like you can't wait. To get the fuck up out of here
00:48:47
where the bull you got me fucked up.
00:48:50
But then when the crow act was like, OK, you're here.
00:48:53
I know who you want. This brings out pearly arms.
00:48:56
Show me Show. Me that as you saw his face when
00:49:02
he took that hood off, he was like, oh fuck, Megan is like,
00:49:16
dude. You ain't reading the room.
00:49:20
I'm not here for him. Why would I come to rescue a
00:49:22
person who has been actively pursuing me trying?
00:49:26
To kill me. So then when he says no, I'm
00:49:34
here for the kid, Herschel. He was like, Oh, yeah, The
00:49:38
Marshall told me you're still helping the widow.
00:49:41
But if you if you know that's who he's there for, why would
00:49:46
you bring Pearly out? And then you want to know.
00:49:53
OK, So what does she promise you?
00:49:55
And I was like, huh? Yeah.
00:49:58
What did What did Maggie promised?
00:50:01
Vegan. Nothing.
00:50:03
Nothing at all. Not a.
00:50:05
Damn thing. Nothing.
00:50:07
Is doing that shit out. Of pure obligation?
00:50:09
Yep, guilt. That's it.
00:50:13
Only thing because nothing. It's nothing nobody could have
00:50:17
said didn't make him go, go back.
00:50:19
Except for Maggie. Maggie, the only motherfucker
00:50:21
that could have made him go back and I guarantee if it didn't
00:50:26
have to do with Herschel, he. Probably would have.
00:50:30
He probably would have been like, fuck you.
00:50:34
Like I'm done grobbing. I'm done begging.
00:50:38
I'm done apologizing. No.
00:50:40
You want to be mad at me for the rest of your life, Be mad at me
00:50:43
for the rest of your life. Over there.
00:50:45
Over there. Like I said, we still don't know
00:50:49
why Negan left the Commonwealth. We don't know why he wasn't an
00:50:51
Alexander. We don't know why he wasn't in
00:50:53
any of those places, why he was living in a cabin in the woods
00:50:56
with Annie and Joshua. Probably had a lot to do with
00:51:00
it. He was probably like, I'm so
00:51:01
sick of this same song and dance.
00:51:04
Every time I walk past her, she's looking at me crazy.
00:51:07
She's looking at me like she wants to kill me, even though
00:51:09
she told me years ago she didn't want to kill me anymore.
00:51:13
Like you told him and the whole. Like you told him, you didn't
00:51:17
want your son growing up, seeing that someone else had that much
00:51:22
control over you, what you do. Gave him all the control, bitch.
00:51:26
You gave him all the fucking control, right?
00:51:30
So now. So now I'm making this here,
00:51:34
telling the Croat like I don't want this dude, I I want
00:51:38
Herschel give him here and the Croat.
00:51:43
He's telling him he was like, look, let's go have a sit down,
00:51:46
let's talk about things I show you.
00:51:48
I come in in in the spirit of friendship, like I really feel
00:51:51
like right now the Croat really doesn't have any ill intent
00:51:57
towards Megan again, even though Negan thinks he wants to kill
00:52:01
him. Everything that we've seen from
00:52:03
the Croat so far, like I said, is almost like a child trying to
00:52:10
get himself to his trash father. It's like it's like he's pulling
00:52:14
the prodigal son. Daddy, I'm home.
00:52:16
Look what I did. So I don't think that's it.
00:52:21
But of course, Megan, Megan been around.
00:52:24
Megan has stayed alive for a reason.
00:52:27
He trusts his instincts. And he's like, yeah, no, I'm not
00:52:30
going with you. I'm good.
00:52:33
So then the girl at throws Pearly over the railing and
00:52:38
Pearly sitting there holding on Megan is trying to help him, and
00:52:44
the crow at shoots the crow at face.
00:52:46
With Megan help that man. Yeah, he was like.
00:52:51
This. I didn't expect this at all.
00:52:54
Right this is. Supposed to help him kill you?
00:52:55
You were supposed to help, not help him.
00:52:59
Right. That's him trying to see if
00:53:01
Megan is still Megan. I think so.
00:53:04
That's all that is. Because Megan, Regular Megan,
00:53:07
old and old look old. If he didn't let Pearly fall the
00:53:13
first time, then once the crow ass shot his ass and leg, he
00:53:17
definitely would have let him fall.
00:53:20
Because now your liability if I say you can't walk.
00:53:25
But. No surprises us all.
00:53:28
He saves pearly and they get away.
00:53:31
I would have let Pearly Ass drop.
00:53:35
And 1st I was like, OK, OK Now Pearly will see that Negan is
00:53:40
not the bloodthirsty, murderous person that he was thinking he
00:53:44
is. They find some place safe.
00:53:46
Megan puts the gun down and goes to the door to check for
00:53:50
walkers. He turns around.
00:53:52
Pearly done. Got his cruel gun up, grabbed
00:53:56
the weapon and it's pointing it at.
00:53:58
I'm like, you know what? You should have let his ass
00:54:00
fall, right? And I was like, he is such a a
00:54:03
ho. I mean, come on, was thinking
00:54:06
the same. Thing too, I just.
00:54:08
Helped you're gonna let you drop.
00:54:12
I was like you dumbass, but I said every here's the thing
00:54:16
before every show. Need a Dick?
00:54:19
But here's the thing. You shoot that weapon one time,
00:54:26
You actually have to sit there and reel it back in to reload.
00:54:32
You got one good leg. You think ain't gonna come
00:54:36
across that room and whoop your ass and kill you?
00:54:38
You are so fucking stupid. Or just send you back.
00:54:43
Out there just go just go just push them and close the door
00:54:47
right I. Come on.
00:54:50
Like, we we're right. Literally, they chasing us.
00:54:53
And you want to do this right now?
00:54:54
I was like, this is some foolish shit right here.
00:54:59
I mean, I was with you like. Was like flying to your.
00:55:03
Mission that you going to jeopardize your goddamn so
00:55:06
alright, because. Ultimately, get out of there and
00:55:12
then we'll deal with I'm going to arrest you, but literally get
00:55:16
out of the immediate danger situation you're in.
00:55:22
You're. Stupid.
00:55:23
He is again. I don't like his character.
00:55:26
I don't. I mean, I guess I see what
00:55:28
purpose he's supposed to play now.
00:55:29
Like Casey said, every show needs a Dick.
00:55:32
And it's obvious Negan is not the Dick in this in this show.
00:55:35
So it's got to be somebody. Why not Pearly?
00:55:37
Because I don't see any other reason for his character to
00:55:40
still be around because. He's a Dick.
00:55:45
He's always survived. To the end, don't they?
00:55:49
He probably will. At some point.
00:55:52
He's probably going to realize that Negan is a good guy.
00:55:55
Or or that I won't say a good guy, but Negan is not what he is
00:56:00
and blah blah blah, because Negan's going to save his ass
00:56:03
again. Watch.
00:56:05
And you're going to have to because there always has.
00:56:09
To be a Dick that has a change of heart, it's not.
00:56:13
It's not a true story unless the Dick sees the.
00:56:17
Error of his ways and I was so wrong.
00:56:20
I misjudged you. Let me fix you.
00:56:22
How can I help you? That's what we have to look for.
00:56:26
And again, and maybe he'll get rid of.
00:56:28
That little furl he has right here, but he no, he's going to
00:56:31
continue to look like a toddler about to throw a tantrum,
00:56:35
because that's the only facial. I told you, you keep it long,
00:56:38
you keep it that way long enough, it's going to get stuck.
00:56:40
That facial expression has stuck for him.
00:56:42
Yeah, because. He he's been walking around
00:56:44
being the a hole. I mean, he don't know nothing
00:56:47
else. He knows nothing.
00:56:49
You don't lost your whole team. You want this?
00:56:52
Island and apparently nobody can get off of and it's your thing.
00:56:56
You want to see your brother who killed the selfish.
00:56:58
You ain't talk to him and I don't know how long.
00:57:02
So my whole thing is that's the part calling the kettle black.
00:57:08
Girl. Like, again, let's go back to
00:57:12
episode one. And the stuff that he said about
00:57:15
Negan and what he was going to do, oh, we're going to execute
00:57:18
him, but not just execute him like he was like he was selling
00:57:23
a fucking infomercial. Yes, we're going to execute him,
00:57:27
but we're going to hang him upside down and we're going to.
00:57:32
I kept saying cut no, this motherfucker said we're going to
00:57:35
saw him in half. From groin to head, you got a
00:57:42
whole different set of mental what the fuck?
00:57:47
But you want to be judgmental against this dude who killed
00:57:52
people for who literally just helped your ass?
00:57:57
Literally. Just feel I got out of here.
00:57:59
I still. Got to take you in.
00:58:05
Okay fine look. Get out of the city first.
00:58:09
I would push your ass. And you would shoot me?
00:58:14
Shoot me cuz then you got to deal with Walker me.
00:58:18
And all the hundreds of walkers outside with a busted up leg by
00:58:24
yourself Better go on somewhere you should let him go you.
00:58:29
Should let him go. Should just let them fall.
00:58:34
Join those 10 people on the on the ground.
00:58:40
I'm sorry. So there's Negan and Pearly,
00:58:49
Maggie, Amaya and Tomaso. Like you said, they found a
00:58:52
boiler room. They they put one of the boiler
00:58:57
kegs in front of the door and they realize that they're going
00:59:00
to have to go into the sewers. In order to escape first of all.
00:59:08
Didn't y'all say that this was where the what does the Maya
00:59:12
call them? Fleshies.
00:59:13
That's another term for you to add to the T-shirt Casey.
00:59:17
Fleshies. Didn't you say that that's where
00:59:20
all of them were? That's where the police kind of
00:59:24
pushed them into and. Then when y'all were getting
00:59:30
ready to go down into the subway in the 1st place, you see the
00:59:33
methane coming up out the sewer graze.
00:59:36
This is how you want to get up. That don't sound like a good
00:59:41
idea. And it's only it's only four of
00:59:45
y'all at this point is is Maggie, Jenny, Tomaso and Amaya.
00:59:51
And again, I've already told you I don't quite trust Tomaso and
00:59:54
Amaya and and we. Haven't seen Jenny kill one
00:59:57
thing. So she not any help?
00:59:59
No. She killed.
01:00:00
Something in the. Arena do the finishing, OK?
01:00:03
I mean, you can't. Tell because they wasn't on the
01:00:05
ground, but right. And that was.
01:00:07
Through a fence. I don't know how she gonna do,
01:00:09
you know, face to face. Yeah, she did though.
01:00:11
She. Didn't Did Jenny.
01:00:12
I saw Jenny. Oh, so I guess we gonna see how
01:00:17
this turns out, but. Good about it.
01:00:24
Y'all going in the sewers and the way that Jenny is looking at
01:00:30
Maggie, like, oh, OKI know you're worried about Negan.
01:00:33
Negan is with you, not with y'all y'all don't know where he
01:00:36
is. But I don't know.
01:00:44
I don't know Jenny. I feel like Jenny knows
01:00:47
something she keeps. But the way she's looking at
01:00:51
Maggie. Sure, I'm saying.
01:00:54
She'll tell Maggie, cuz she saw Maggie trying to burn her
01:00:56
goddamn dinosaur, right? That's.
01:00:58
It she probably feels like Maggie's gonna leave him behind
01:01:02
anyway, right? So Maggie trying to burn.
01:01:05
That goddamn dinosaur. And she's like this bitch.
01:01:10
So yeah, and we don't know what. The fuck going on in Jenny?
01:01:14
Mine anyway. Because remember that she's a
01:01:16
master motherfucking escape artist, you know?
01:01:20
And and bicycle thief. And that is where with all the
01:01:23
floating the fucking cooler. Like Jenny is a super genius.
01:01:27
Because it just for what, 14 years old maybe and then made.
01:01:32
It all the way through the city to find Megan or or find someone
01:01:36
you knew, which is Maggie. Which will lead you to Megan.
01:01:41
Yeah, Okay. But okay, here's the other thing
01:01:44
that bothered me. And again we're we're, we're
01:01:46
sticking with I, I'm, I'm talking about these little
01:01:49
details when they left the building.
01:01:54
You have the walkers that walk past the building.
01:01:57
The walkers had hadn't just cleared the door and here y'all
01:02:02
come out onto the street from the building.
01:02:05
The walkers then turn around and look because in the other show
01:02:09
it was walking. They had a pick drop and they
01:02:11
all turned in their head like, oh what is this?
01:02:13
No, they was on their chip. Toes So they was, yeah, they
01:02:16
made. No noise.
01:02:19
They boots they had, they had no sneakers.
01:02:28
Yeah, like I said, it's quiet. I'm.
01:02:30
Quiet. I'm liking, I'm liking a lot of
01:02:33
aspects about the show. I mainly I do like what we're
01:02:38
seeing between Megan and Maggie because it it is a push and pull
01:02:42
thing. You know, Megan is basically
01:02:46
trying to show Maggie that he is not the person that she keeps
01:02:50
wanting him to be. And you see Maggie fighting with
01:02:55
it. But he.
01:02:57
At points turning into person he used to be.
01:02:59
Smashing no boy through all the glass, That's.
01:03:02
Old Knee, but I mean, but those are the things that you doing.
01:03:05
That's old knee again. But again, he said that's that's
01:03:08
something he doesn't want to be. He he doesn't want to go back to
01:03:12
being that person. So you do see that struggle with
01:03:15
him because that's the point of going back to.
01:03:17
That you're already that person? Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I
01:03:20
get that. But what I'm saying is he
01:03:22
doesn't want to be that person. Like, yeah, we all got darkness
01:03:26
in in us. And he told Maggie the same
01:03:29
thing in the first episode. He was like, there are no good
01:03:32
people, no bad people or or we're all bad people.
01:03:35
Like we've all done some things that somebody else would look at
01:03:40
and be like, oh, that's fucked up.
01:03:43
But you don't have to keep being that person.
01:03:44
You don't have to keep doing those things.
01:03:47
And that's the thing that he's trying to say.
01:03:48
I don't want to be this person. Now, if I have to be this person
01:03:52
to protect the people I love or to protect, you know, whatever
01:03:56
the case is, he doesn't have a problem doing it.
01:03:59
But it's not like he's doing it and he's happy about it.
01:04:02
And I think that's the important distinction.
01:04:05
This is something that Negan does not want to do.
01:04:07
He literally said it very plainly in this episode.
01:04:12
I don't want to go back to singing that song.
01:04:14
This is. This is starting to sound way
01:04:16
too familiar and I don't want to go back here.
01:04:21
So that's the important distinction.
01:04:23
Yes, he can be that person. Yes, we have seen him be this
01:04:27
person since he's been in Manhattan.
01:04:29
But he also had to be that person to prove a point to these
01:04:33
people down here. Like, look, I ain't the one
01:04:36
y'all want to fuck with. Take your ass home and leave us
01:04:40
the fuck alone. So I get it sometimes that that
01:04:47
that part is going to have to come out with you.
01:04:51
I mean, Maggie, Maggie has done it too with Leah and the Reapers
01:04:55
when she was going to let them go and it and Elijah was like.
01:05:00
For his. I can't remember his sister's
01:05:02
name, but he was like, you know, and and she got up and she was
01:05:09
like, yeah, you know what? If I let them go, all they're
01:05:12
going to do is come back after us.
01:05:13
You know what? Let's end this once and for all.
01:05:16
So it's not like she hasn't done anything right.
01:05:20
They all have. Hey, yes everyone has and we
01:05:24
talked about this before, but he obviously is not that same
01:05:28
person. And now the Croat knows it
01:05:31
because like you said, legging of the past.
01:05:34
He would let Pearly fall and he probably would have been like
01:05:37
bye. Yeah, just like I don't.
01:05:39
Know. I mean, I only know this dude
01:05:41
and he been chasing me it I mean.
01:05:45
This I'm. Not dealing with the court with
01:05:48
this situation here. He can just die.
01:05:49
I don't really care. But he did the nice thing and
01:05:52
tried to save him for you to arrest me 10 minutes later, OK?
01:05:57
Like Sir, that's that still made me mad.
01:06:01
Like, really. Me too.
01:06:03
I was like, really? This will come on this.
01:06:05
What we doing? Fuck you saving.
01:06:08
My life and helping me get out of this situation all right.
01:06:11
Back right like Sir, if you. Listen your ass down somewhere
01:06:16
with your busted up leg with your busted up leg.
01:06:20
And your frowning door hole. In you, Sir.
01:06:22
Yes, it did. It penetrated.
01:06:24
You got penetrated. Right.
01:06:28
And here's here's my thing it. Took a chunk out of his leg,
01:06:33
That part. So that means your ass needs to
01:06:37
be losing some blood. That means he hit his carotid.
01:06:42
That's what I. Thought the way the what
01:06:45
location it was in so I'm just saying.
01:06:49
He pulled the pulled the little spiky thing out of his leg.
01:06:53
All that blood and shit, the border, I was like, so that
01:06:56
means that he's not supposed to survive past the past the next
01:07:00
episode or the finale, but he has to survive.
01:07:05
To take Megan back. Megan going to kill him before
01:07:10
he let that happen, I know. That we both know.
01:07:14
We both. Know that, Megan said.
01:07:16
He ain't going to sit and nobody's got damn sale not.
01:07:19
Coming to Season 2, which the show has been renewed, so that's
01:07:27
good, so you know. But I don't need to.
01:07:31
I don't need to see Pearly in in.
01:07:32
In Season 2, I don't. Well, we just need.
01:07:36
To get, we just need to get. I hate that it feels like we're.
01:07:43
We're just so. Excited with the regular series
01:07:47
Walking Dead. Just a couple of complaints like
01:07:50
you know where you find fresh wig pieces.
01:07:53
But other than that we were fine.
01:07:55
But here it just seems like it's just gotten a little sloppy.
01:07:58
It's not tight. We need to tighten it up.
01:08:01
So yeah, we that's. The only thing is, like we do
01:08:04
Season 2, can we like, tighten it up some?
01:08:10
Yeah, like when you have them in an Octagon killing walkers,
01:08:14
please do the next aerial shot. Please have like 4.
01:08:18
Walkers on the ground. Let's let's slow down from 30 to
01:08:25
20 to 3:50, you know, let's slow.
01:08:29
Down and really. Dive deep into the characters,
01:08:33
because then maybe we would like like some of them a little bit,
01:08:36
because I really don't care for any of the New York people.
01:08:41
No, it it they don't. You can't.
01:08:44
There's not that. Again, this is the complaint I
01:08:46
have. You can't really do too much
01:08:48
with six episodes. Like if y'all, if y'all should
01:08:52
renew, you could. Yeah, you could.
01:08:56
You could I mean the. First season of The Walking
01:08:58
Dead? That was a fluke because you
01:09:00
don't find many, many shows that could pull off what they pulled
01:09:04
off in that first season. There's something to do what
01:09:08
they did. That's almost unheard of, but
01:09:11
they can. Cut some of this stuff out and
01:09:13
tighten it up. They could have.
01:09:16
They really could have. Like we just.
01:09:20
Get little bits, bits and pieces and then we're supposed to care
01:09:25
or just use people facial expression to kind of figure it
01:09:28
out or figure it out because we know how people should be after
01:09:31
this time in the situation they're in.
01:09:34
But this is my thing, OK? Instead of giving us two six
01:09:38
episode seasons, just give us 112 episode season like you do
01:09:43
on everything else nowadays. Give us a two episode season.
01:09:50
Because they can. They can do a lot.
01:09:53
Even when we watched even these other things on on Netflix,
01:09:56
that's only six or these short miniseries.
01:10:00
They pack in a lot of things and can pull us.
01:10:03
It's like, I don't really care. Yeah, so I'm starting.
01:10:11
To I mean I I Negan has redeemed himself with me.
01:10:15
So I think by now the listeners and any panels we do people can
01:10:20
figure that out. So, but at this point, if he
01:10:23
didn't, he about the only person I like.
01:10:27
Because. Maggie getting on my fucking
01:10:29
nerves. Even she is.
01:10:31
I'm like. Take the chip.
01:10:35
And get some dip because now yeah, this.
01:10:39
Is a chip on your? Shoulder is working.
01:10:41
Mine. It's getting old.
01:10:42
It really is it. Is.
01:10:44
And you see they trying to make. It like when she opens up just a
01:10:47
little bit more each a little bit more little story let me
01:10:49
tell you, let me get God damn open up then like you take one
01:10:54
step forward and then you take 2 steps back and you write back
01:10:57
like because. You you was going to tell them
01:10:59
about Jenny until you seen the match?
01:11:02
The. The.
01:11:04
The beeswax. The beeswax head.
01:11:05
Why you? Why you sitting there with his
01:11:07
matches in your pocket and the dinosaur in?
01:11:09
Your bag, right, girl? If you'll sit the fuck down, I
01:11:15
know, I know. But we got what, 2 two more
01:11:19
episodes for them to make this make sense?
01:11:23
Or at least make Maggie make sense because I still feel like
01:11:26
she is hiding something. I mean at this point.
01:11:30
She's hiding too many little things, and I just feel like he
01:11:35
is. Yeah, yeah, probably like, yes,
01:11:40
She did decide to trade Negan in for her son.
01:11:43
I don't know if that was something that she arranged or
01:11:45
that was arranged or if it's just something that was.
01:11:47
She's like Okay. I'll bring him in and maybe
01:11:52
they'll give me my son back, but.
01:11:57
I don't even know. Because she is made.
01:11:59
When she talks about getting Herschel back, she keeps saying
01:12:05
she keeps talking about killing the Croat.
01:12:07
So at the same time, it doesn't make sense that she would plan
01:12:12
to give Megan to the Croat. Unless she plans to give Megan
01:12:16
to the Croat and then she's planning on killing both of
01:12:18
them. That might make some sense.
01:12:20
And maybe maybe that has a little bit to do with how she's
01:12:25
feeling. Because, yeah, you can hate
01:12:27
Megan for all the reasons you hate him for, and you are very
01:12:30
well justified. But at the same time, he did
01:12:34
also do some good. He saved your family when your
01:12:37
ass wasn't there, when you was traipsing off across the country
01:12:40
with Georgia doing who knows what in other communities.
01:12:45
He saved them. He saved Judith.
01:12:51
He saved your son. So yeah, I understand.
01:12:57
You're you're kind of conflicted.
01:13:00
I need you to figure this shit out because you're going to get,
01:13:03
you're going to get more people killed.
01:13:07
Or you're going to do something really stupid.
01:13:09
You're going to end up with Jenny dead and then me is really
01:13:11
going to come after you. Or you're going to end up with
01:13:14
Herschel dead, and then you're going to feel guilty because all
01:13:18
of this happened because you couldn't let shit go.
01:13:24
I love Maggie. I do.
01:13:25
But she like you said, she's getting my damn nerves right
01:13:28
now. I like Walking Dead.
01:13:29
Maggie. Yeah, yeah, this, this.
01:13:34
Dead city, Maggie. She she got, Yeah, she.
01:13:39
Got too much? She got too much going on.
01:13:41
She needs to figure it out. She needs to figure it out.
01:13:46
And then they need to go and find somebody that's a goddamn
01:13:49
therapist that can help all of them.
01:13:53
Like if we if we got, if we got a environmental scientist that
01:13:57
survived, we got a fucking therapist somewhere.
01:14:03
So, OK, so very quickly let's talk about San Diego Comic Con
01:14:12
news real quick. We did get a first teaser
01:14:15
trailer for The Ricky Michonne Show, which officially is titled
01:14:21
The Walking Dead, The Ones Who Live.
01:14:25
OK, the teaser trailer looks good.
01:14:30
There was a shot where, you know, it's like you have this
01:14:34
red haze and you see a silhouette of Michonne and she's
01:14:38
walking in the background. But then you see the silhouette
01:14:41
of Rick and the way he's walking.
01:14:43
I was like, how is this motherfucker sexy?
01:14:45
I don't even see his face. All I'm looking at is this walk
01:14:49
and I'm like, I am so fucking ready for Rick Grimes to come
01:14:53
back. Like, can I just see him?
01:14:56
I just want to see him. And he bowlegged, too.
01:14:57
Just walk into the screen. Just just.
01:15:07
It's like, OK, but I need more. And I understand there's a whole
01:15:12
bunch of stuff going on after Strike.
01:15:14
Like at at San Diego Comic Con, none of the actors showed up
01:15:17
because of the Strike. I I get it.
01:15:19
All this y'all y'all brought us what y'all brought us and we are
01:15:22
thankful need a little bit more, especially if we're not getting
01:15:26
this series until 2024. I need y'all to do a little bit
01:15:29
more promo because the fact that we are less than two months away
01:15:34
from the Daryl Dixon show and we just got a full length trailer a
01:15:39
few days ago, that's a problem. And we also got the 1st 10
01:15:46
minutes of the Daryl Dixon show, which we recorded a little
01:15:50
segment before this recording just to talk about it a little
01:15:53
because I had a couple of things I need to say.
01:15:55
So we're going to post that is just like a A1 shot episode.
01:16:00
Let's see what else. Dead City did get renewed for
01:16:06
second season, so we do know that.
01:16:09
Other than that, I don't think there was any other news.
01:16:13
That came out or any that I caught.
01:16:16
If if there's some other stuff that we haven't mentioned now,
01:16:20
then we'll mention it when we record for episode 5.
01:16:24
But you guys have any final thoughts on episode 4?
01:16:28
Everybody gets surprised. Everybody didn't get a prize.
01:16:31
At least not. I'm gonna say everybody didn't.
01:16:32
Get a prize. Who got a prize?
01:16:37
You alive, your. Prize is living Yeah, the four.
01:16:40
People you have surprised? Maggie.
01:16:46
Jenny. Tomas.
01:16:49
Oh, girl, I'm just saying, am I was like, yeah, we're going to
01:16:53
do and the. The sheriff, too.
01:16:55
He got a prize. He was.
01:16:57
He lived. And on that note, that's it for
01:17:03
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