#thewalkingdead #daryldixon #thebookofcarol Due to conflicting schedules, we are late but finally get around to closing out our discussion of Season 2.
Daryl and Carol have conflicting thoughts on getting back to the States with Ash and Laurent. Sister Jacinta reappears and continues the search for Laurent - with an unwilling ally. Daryl and Codron clear the air. Carol makes a sad confession. An alternate way home proves to be more difficult than first expected.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Casey. And after a long delay, we are
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finally discussing this season 2 season finale of the Darrell
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Dixon Show. Yes.
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And it's been so long since we've gotten to Darrell Dixon
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that it is now 2025. Happy New Year, everyone.
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Happy New Year. So first, let us apologize
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because we have some listeners who have been waiting for us to
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finish wrapping up this series. And the problem is we have been
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having a hard time getting all three of us together to do it
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because of everyone's schedules. As most of you all know, Casey,
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she travels for work. So there are times when she is
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in areas where she does not have the greatest Internet service.
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And then Michelle, Michelle and I both work in education and
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then Michelle has a side business as well.
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So it's just been really rough trying to get all of us together
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at 1:00, you know, at one time. So Michelle told her she was
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like, look, go ahead, go on without me.
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So Michelle, hey, we miss you. But we're going to talk about
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this down Dixon episode because I have had some stuff to say for
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quite a while now. But let's just start off with
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the basics. What did you think about the
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season 2 finale? It I liked it OK, I.
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Enjoyed it it. I like the way that it wrapped
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up a bunch of stories, like it didn't leave loose ends like
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normally they would, although there's a, you know, the
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cliffhanger where they go next, but all of the other smaller
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threads have been clipped and I like that.
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I liked it. Now we're going into hopefully
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something fresh and new. So, but I like that all of the
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things that we had been introduced to throughout the
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season and kind of got wrapped up.
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Bye, bye, sister Jacinta. Finally, finally.
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But she was gonna die anyway 'cause she got bit and she had
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the stuff in her face. Her demise was imminent.
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Yes, I know, but. Once she realized she lost, she
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took the easy way out. It would be good to see her as a
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Walker though. I don't need to see her as a
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Walker. Her character irritated me.
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She irritated me so bad and I was just like, like you, You're
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continuing on a mission for a guy who's dead now.
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Like Losang is dead. Everybody that he brought with
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him to kind of try to force the issue of, of taking the want and
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doing this, they're all dead. So why are you still doing this?
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And and saying you could same could be said for Sabine after
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Madam Janay died. What what you doing?
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But you know what? Your people.
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And and and, you know, do what you want, but searching down
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this little key, it was not it. Was not the business, but you
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know, I think maybe her business, maybe now Sabine is
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probably like, OK, you know what, that's three leaders that
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I've had like in recent months. I think it's time to let this
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go. I mean, and Laurent is gone.
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What are they going to do, follow him?
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How? Right.
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And you know, that was the thing that kind of it, it irritated me
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at the beginning. And I would say this, I did like
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the episode. I do have one point of
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contention and that's that in the press leading up to this
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current season and talking about the season, Norman was out there
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saying that this season episode was the best episode in Walking
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Dead history. And I'm so sorry, Norman.
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I have to disagree with you, have to disagree with you.
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It was a good episode. It was a good episode, was not
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the best and it was also not the most original because all the
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stuff that happened in the tunnels with the the weird
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walkers and the hallucinations and stuff.
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I'm so sorry. Dead City did it first and they
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did it better because they had that, that big weird Walker,
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octopus Walker, whatever you want to call it with, with the
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like 50 million arms. And they, they did it better.
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OK, it, it, it has some good emotional stuff in this episode.
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I will say that, especially in regards to Carol.
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And we'll get to that. But at the beginning of this
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episode, when Anne is driving through the city with, you know,
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her people and Jacinta's caravan stops her and they're making all
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the different little threads about, you know, trying to find
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Laurent. And they were asking where they
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were. Well, we know they have a plane.
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And I think it was her. And she was like, oh, they could
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have already left. And Sabine is like, well, we've
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been watching the skies and no one has left.
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So even if they had left, or if y'all had seen them in the sky,
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what were y'all gonna do 'cause I don't think.
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Point would if if your whole mission is the.
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Boy, right, if he's already up in the air, ain't too much you
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can do. So I understand you wanting to
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find him before that happens. But if, let's say, if y'all have
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been watching the skies for two days, all of a sudden you see a
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plane. You don't have any weaponry to
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shoot this plane down because if you did, you probably would have
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brought it with you to the racetrack to destroy the plane
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before it gets off the ground. Yeah, they didn't know.
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That was the thing. I was like, OK, so what's what's
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the whole point? Because if you guys had shot and
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wish she was like, y'all can, y'all can kill me, y'all can
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not. I really don't care.
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And wait, when she said she was gonna shoot the friend and the
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friend was like, and she was like, that's why I have friends.
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She was like, that's why I don't have friends.
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And the girl was looking at her like, but I mean, unfortunately,
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she has a point because guess what?
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In this kind of world, your friends and your loved ones can
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be used against you. We've seen it time and time and
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time and time again. Yeah.
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So, I mean, think about it. That's that's how Quinn is dead
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because Quinn had attachments he wouldn't let go of.
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So she learned a valuable lesson.
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Yes, she did. But her only thing was, OK, I'll
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help you guys 'cause I want that plane and I want the pilot.
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I wanna go home. When she said I'll take the
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plane and the pilot, she would think the pilot.
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Just gonna go where you tell him what I mean, if he has a gun on
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him, he probably will. Because, you know, I'm.
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Saying doing that, not this pilot, not this pilot.
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Matt. The pilot Mike, this one here
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and he already mad he he would probably be like I crashed this
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motherfucker first. He is still.
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Big mad. Big mad, big mad.
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Big mad. So you just gonna take him and
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tell him where he gonna go? Well, I mean, no, OK that.
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Wasn't gonna happen. I don't care what they put to
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his head. He crashed the plane first.
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But you know what, he might have been you.
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He might have been like, you know what?
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I don't want to be around Carol because she lied to get me here.
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I don't know who this Daryl person is.
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She she probably still hasn't told him what Daryl is and and
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why she went looking for him, although I'm sure he has his
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own. Probably guesses but.
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He'll. Be like, oh, you want to go
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somewhere else? Yes, less because I don't.
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Look, thanks to Carol, I don't have a home to go back to.
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I don't have any reminders of my son to go back to now.
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So Ash might actually be open to another adventure.
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Oh, we're gonna go somewhere else.
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OK, cool. You just look.
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I'll fly you there. You take care of me.
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You look, you obviously have the means to do it because you are
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walking around in a world of the zombie apocalypse with some 4
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inch stilettos on. Like, who does that?
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Who does that? Deb Hart.
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Her, I was looking at her like, so if a Walker happens to come,
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which eventually did happen for her.
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But what you, I mean, I understand you can probably take
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the stilettos off and maybe if you have enough strength in your
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upper body, you can probably get that through a Walker's skull.
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But what like can't? Can we not be more practical?
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You can still be fashionable with tennis shoes on, Boo.
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But no, it's all about fashion, honey fashion.
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Where in Paris, the fashion capital of the where out now I
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have to be present to them for. I'm trying to have that, I
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guess, trying to put on those those airs and trying to put on
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that persona of her being in charge and her being whatever.
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Oh, well, you did now. So how did that work out for
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you? Which I, I felt, I felt a little
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bit, I felt bad about it. But I would say this, she went
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out like a boss because she told Jacinta she was like, this is
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going to kill you. And she was like, no, he won't
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because God is on our side. She was like, bitch, God
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abandoned us a long time ago and long time ago started tearing
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into her. When they started biting into
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her, she didn't say a word. She didn't flinch.
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It's like she was waiting for it.
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And I'm not giving you the satisfaction.
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Not only that, but she was probably like, oh, I'm you know
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what? At this point, I'm so glad to be
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done with all this shit. I think at that point she was
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just ready. Yeah.
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I can see that 'cause when once they, I think once they got to
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the hyperone there, uh huh. Once they got there, she looked
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at that poster and then remember when she had the flashback.
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Mm hmm. She wasn't gonna hurt Lauren.
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She wasn't gonna let them get him.
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That's why she was like, oh y'all gotta go through there and
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just. It was like you first.
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But I think at that point she had already resolved.
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I'm not getting out of this. Yeah, but.
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Also, even though I ain't getting out of this, I'm not
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about to let y'all take him, so if I gotta take a couple of
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y'all with me, let's go this way.
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Yeah, yeah. And I mean, she could have
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gotten out if they hadn't locked her in that thing.
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And I still think she probably could have gotten away.
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I think if she really wanted to, she probably could have gotten
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the door open. She probably could have
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maneuvered her way around the walkers.
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Because even though the walkers are faster, you're talking about
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one person versus all these people over here and all the
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people there. They're the ones that shooting.
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They're the ones that's making the noise.
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I would think that the that would attract them more than her
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kind of slipping away. But like I said, I I think she
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was just done. And she probably could have got
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out of there sooner when when they first start the the walkers
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first start coming from the darkness.
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She went against the wall. Yeah, she could have.
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She could have made her escape. She could have.
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But didn't work out that way. Yeah.
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And like you said, I think she was probably protecting Laurent
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because even if she had kept going, because that particular
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door was that was that was there was no door.
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There was just an entryway. She could have gone through
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there. But that would have definitely
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LED them to Laurent and Darrell and all of them.
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And I think she was to the point where she was like, OK, no, I
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can't. I'm not going to go that way
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because some of them could have gotten out alive, as we saw.
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They had a lot of, they had a lot of soldiers with them.
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They had guns. So, yeah, I, I think she made
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the sacrifice. Yeah.
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You know, regardless of whether it was just because Laurent was
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a little boy, whether it was because that was Quinn's son, or
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whether it was because she actually believed that there
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might be something different or special about him.
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But I think too, I think a a part of it was a big fuck you
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too, just sent it to Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
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Like you locking me in here means nothing, bitch, 'cause
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you're not gonna live either. I'm telling you, you have.
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Oh, it's fine. I ain't made it, but neither are
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you. Right.
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And that look, Dixon? Had to kill her.
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She took that walk. That walk.
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I mean, essentially, yes. Not only the Walker bite, but
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when she shot him in the head, some of the blood splattered and
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he was one of those burners. So her face is being eaten out.
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So it's just yeah, you you weren't long for this world.
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And I'm actually surprised that she didn't turn as quickly as
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we've seen some of the others. I'm.
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Losing her arm yeah, but cause the burn is fine 'cause remember
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Darrell got burned on his arm. No, she she got bit on the arm.
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No, no, no your. Burn was in the face.
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No, but I'm saying she got bit in the arm so 'cause even
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remember when Tyrese got bit it took him a minute and they
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chopped the arm off and might have made it.
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But that arm, I mean Tyrese end up dying 'cause he lost blood.
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But either way, yeah, he got bit on the arm.
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So you know that does take a little longer if you on the arm
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or the leg, it's when you get that neck or the back of the
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shoulder. Yeah, but anyway, Ding Dong the
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witch is dead, so hopefully Sabine can go and live her best
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life and be like OK, I'm tired of following crazy.
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I hope so. I hope so.
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Go live my best life and do whatever.
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Because now you have a bunch of soldiers and a bunch of people
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at at the nest now with no leader, right?
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And you can tell they were being LED first with Losang cause some
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people didn't have no mind to their damn own.
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So not how they that the some I mean.
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So eventually somebody's gonna step up, you know, into that
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void. But same way with well, no
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'cause at least the the military people got to meet Yeah, as as
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she is. But everyone in the nest that's
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gonna. Be me, might probably she might
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be like, OK, you know what? I'm done.
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Yeah. I'll go do whatever y'all want
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to do. I'm going to the nest and I'm
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going to go chill. I don't want to leave nobody.
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I don't want to be in charge of nobody.
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I don't want to have a mission. I just want to take a break.
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And that probably would be best for everybody.
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We would because essentially by Laurent leaving, what is the
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threat in Paris? Because Janae is going with all
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her experiments. Yeah.
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Sabine wasn't trying to take over the world.
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Miss Janae was. I mean, Madam Janae was in is
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one of those, you know, lower level.
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I could care as long as I'm taking care of type people.
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So I, I don't see there's no, there's no movement now.
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No, especially after the movement that you've been
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following for so long and then the second movement that you
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join both, like I said, both of the leaders are dead.
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So obviously that tells me something that they were doing
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wasn't right. Yeah, I may want to.
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Yeah, look. Look.
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The Demimon now needs a leader. It needs an owner.
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Hey, I'll go look. I'll go take ownership of the
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nights so it can have access to clean living space and alcohol
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and dancers and drag Queens and everything else.
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My heart does. Yeah.
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I feel like a good luck to me. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. So let's move away from them.
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Rest in peace. Whatever, whatever.
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Let's talk about Daryl and Carol 'cause I don't know what may
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either one of them think that the other one was going to let
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the other like. And it's funny how depending on
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who they talked to, they knew, Oh, you staying?
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Oh, yeah. Was talking to Ash.
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She was like, I'm saying. So when Laurent was talking to
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Darrell, Darrell, Darrell, he's like, you're not coming with us.
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So each of them thinking that the other is going to stay and.
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Then switch Laurent is like, so do you think Darrell can get
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back to America all by by himself?
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And Carol was like what? And then Ash is like, oh, I
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guess it is a good thing you come with us.
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And Darrell was like, what? Yeah.
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I said y'all knew. Y'all knew.
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First of all, Carol, it's gonna be like, there's no way in hell
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that I came all the way over here to France, lied to this man
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to get him to bring me here to find you, just to let you stay
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behind. Say no way that's gonna happen.
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And then Daryl is like, I need to get Laurent to the States.
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You have a better rapport with Ash even though yes, he's.
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Pissed off with you but. You know him better, you can
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help him. Like Ash said, she can help him
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with the plane. And I mean, honestly, for me, it
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also makes sense if Daryl was the one who stayed, if somebody
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had to stay behind, because Daryl has been in France for
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several months at this point. What?
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Like I said, we we're not sure how long he's been there, but
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he's familiar enough with the streets and with the area.
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He's familiar enough with the politics, which now are pretty
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much done because all of the all of the powerful leaders were
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dead. So he would have been the
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obvious choice to stay. Yeah, absolutely.
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But of course, you know, nothing is going to be that easy.
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We should have known they weren't just going to get in the
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plane and fly away because with all of that stuff coming down
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and Codrone and Falou having to come warn them, you know, we
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knew it was going to be a shootout.
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Now this I will say about Codrone, because I've been
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saying this as we've been discussing this series.
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I was like, I really hope that he turns to our side because I
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like his character and I like his, his little, his little
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humor, his little French humor, but also how you gonna be fully
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able bodied? It's two of y'all with machine
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guns and you gonna let A1 eyed, one armed flying purple people
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eater shoot you and kill you? This man got a eye patch and his
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arm in a sling and he's doing better than y'all.
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He's killing y'all. He didn't shot one man up on the
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stands. He has a grenade that he took
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from one of the soldiers and he didn't like.
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He MacGyver or. Something Rambo.
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No, he was Rambo. That's what I was thinking.
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He was Rambo. Then he start.
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I say, you know what? If nothing else told y'all that
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this was a lost cause, the fact that your men are being killed
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by 1 armed one eyed man and y'all can't even get a shot off
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and hit either one of these three men.
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And they only hide in the little horse stable thing.
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Even before they were hiding in the horse stable thing when they
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were out there by the plane y'all got a open shot I don't
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think they want. To shoot the plane down, that
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was my thought, 'cause if they shoot at the plane, this is This
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is why I thought they didn't shoot at the plane.
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The Rogers in the plane, you trying to get him.
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So if you, you don't want to be shooting at the plane, to have
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no stray bullet miss and hit him 'cause that's gonna defeat your
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purpose. Once the plane is in the sky,
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you're not trying to shoot it down 'cause you don't want the
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boy hurt, so your only plan would have been to try to get to
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him before he got to the plane. But even when the plane pulls
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off, it's a minute before Daryl runs over to the horse thing and
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starts turning it. Well, then again, I guess by
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that point the second person had been shot.
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So OK, I get that, but it's. Yes, I'm looking at the part
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now. So why they in the thing?
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They're in the thing shooting just sent us at her door and
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they taxi and to get to the where they can take off.
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Yeah. So while it's sitting right here
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is this. OK, so here's the stupid thing
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about Jacinta and her people. Because they didn't turn that
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horse, the horse lanes to the point where a car couldn't have
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got through. But you're gonna, you're gonna
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send a motorcycle, One man in a motorcycle.
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No, the second one was the dune buggy.
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Well, we didn't see the dune buggy until later.
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You said in the one guy in the motorcycle you had all these
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jeeps, all these other vehicles. Y'all could have had somebody
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keeping the three shooters distracted while another one of
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those vehicles went after the plane.
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What we realized is something ain't the smartest, OK?
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I think we realized that. So she's not good on strategy.
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I'm just you. You depended upon Anne to get
00:22:32
you through, to get to even where you needed to go.
00:22:35
You're not good on strategy. Man and she was following
00:22:37
Losang, but but she's not good. She's a.
00:22:40
Follower. She's a follower.
00:22:42
She not gonna have them grand ideas.
00:22:45
Because if you remember, if you remember when they were sending
00:22:51
Daryl out to look for for Lou and his people, she was the
00:22:56
mastermind behind trying to set up getting Daryl killed behind
00:23:01
those sayings back. She was the one who was kind of
00:23:06
she was, she was his sidekick, but she was kind of sort of the
00:23:10
person in the charge and the person in charge and secret
00:23:15
because she had people doing her bidding behind those sayings
00:23:20
back. So she ain't that stupid.
00:23:22
I mean, maybe, maybe at this point, maybe the Walker bike was
00:23:26
starting to fog her brain or something.
00:23:30
Because there are other ways that you could have done this
00:23:34
and gotten the result that you wanted.
00:23:36
Especially when the when the plane was sitting there forever
00:23:41
and I'm sitting there looking like, wow, y'all just sitting
00:23:44
there. And it took me until my 6th or
00:23:47
7th rewatch, which was today, to realize that that was when Carol
00:23:51
got off the damn plane. I didn't realize that's when she
00:23:57
got off the plane. OK 'cause that was my question.
00:24:01
How the hell you jump out the plane and at the same spot as 0?
00:24:05
When she said are we good? And he was like, he turned
00:24:10
around and looked at Ash and he was like, yeah, we're good
00:24:13
because he's thinking, OK, like Daryl said, you came here to
00:24:17
save a kid. You can still save a kid.
00:24:19
So I think when he looked at Ash and he he thought about that, he
00:24:22
was like, yeah, we're good. If you look at the sequences up
00:24:26
until we see Carol on the ground shooting, every time that they
00:24:31
show the the motorcycle person coming after them, the Doom
00:24:35
buggy people, they're only showing Ash and Laurent.
00:24:39
They are not showing Carol's side of the plane.
00:24:44
Yeah, after they said are we good?
00:24:46
Yeah, we're good. And the plane was still this.
00:24:49
Is her getting out? Daryl kept looking back like,
00:24:51
why the fuck are y'all still sitting there?
00:24:53
That's when she got out the plane, 'cause I thought that
00:24:56
too. The first few times I watched I
00:24:58
was like, So what? Did she just jump out of the
00:25:00
plane while the plane was gone? I mean, I realized he wasn't
00:25:03
going that fast, but that was for her to get off the plane
00:25:08
with a gun to get into position and load up and and be able to
00:25:13
catch that, you know, that that Jeep catch the driver.
00:25:18
When Daryl's mag emptied, I was like, there was no way she could
00:25:23
have done that. So yeah, I was literally looking
00:25:26
at it today and that's when it clicked for me and I was like,
00:25:30
oh, that's when she got off the plane.
00:25:32
OK, that makes sense. Yeah, 'cause if you look.
00:25:34
OK, so at first Darrell was at the green thing and then when
00:25:38
the motorcycle took off, he ran over to this field.
00:25:42
OK, So yes, so then when the other two men come to the side,
00:25:47
he shoot them too and then that's when he run out of
00:25:51
bullets. Yep.
00:25:52
Then 'cause I in Mama I could not figure out like if she
00:25:56
jumped out the damn plane, how y'all at?
00:25:58
How y'all parallel right? How are y'all in the same?
00:26:00
Spot, right. And I was like, she had to have
00:26:03
ran, but I was like, Whitney have seen her.
00:26:07
Yeah. So yeah, that's where she got
00:26:09
off the plane. So I was like, oh, OK.
00:26:14
OK. Because when he was trying to
00:26:16
shoot at them and his mag was empty and he got ready to shoot
00:26:21
again and all of a sudden you hear this other bullet.
00:26:24
I was like, OK, Carol, Caroline got him from somewhere.
00:26:27
But I was thinking at first I was like, OK, did she shoot him
00:26:31
from the plane? Like, but again, once you go
00:26:34
back and you watch it and you see they're only focusing on Ash
00:26:38
and LeBron, and then after they get in the air and they kind of
00:26:45
pan over and it's kind of like, oh, OK, so she got out the
00:26:48
plane. And then the whole question of
00:26:51
when. Yeah.
00:26:52
'Cause she like she laying down and all ready.
00:26:55
To she's comfortable, so she got in there a minute.
00:27:00
Oh, so she was probably. So she got out it it it saying
00:27:05
like if Darryl didn't make it, he would have been to make sure
00:27:09
that they got OK back up. So that makes.
00:27:12
Sense it's good because this is what Carol and Darryl do so I'm
00:27:18
I'm glad to see we're all on one accord 'cause I think Darryl
00:27:21
once he heard the gunshot he just kind of looked over I think
00:27:24
he was like this bitch I knew she wasn't going to stay on it
00:27:27
she. Wasn't going to leave me.
00:27:29
She was not going to leave me. She was not going to leave him.
00:27:31
You saw the look on her face when she got ready to close that
00:27:34
door. She looked like she was about to
00:27:36
cry. Yes, she was not.
00:27:38
I came all this way, Sir. Like what we not gonna?
00:27:44
Do what we not about to do, like I'm not about to leave.
00:27:49
You and and not only that, you really think she's gonna go back
00:27:52
home and get cussed out by Judith?
00:27:54
Like, excuse me? Wasn't the whole point of you
00:27:56
leaving was to go get him? Where is my uncle, Where is
00:28:01
Daryl? At least with the Ron showing
00:28:03
up, they know he's still alive, right?
00:28:06
Right. And they know that Carol is
00:28:08
live. But then the question is going
00:28:10
to be the fuck they doing in France and how are they going to
00:28:14
get home? But I mean it, it stands to
00:28:17
reason if you found a way there, you can find a way back.
00:28:21
It's just going to take them a little bit.
00:28:22
Longer little bit longer little bit.
00:28:25
Longer now, but OK so let's talk about that little bit longer.
00:28:29
First of all for little. Find him a girlfriend.
00:28:33
I'm so like man made it to him. I'm so happy because you know,
00:28:38
that was one of the things I always worried about.
00:28:40
I was like, if y'all kill for Lou I'm gonna be mad because I
00:28:43
love that. Character.
00:28:45
Yes, you were. You're very adamant about.
00:28:47
That like y'all gonna make me mad.
00:28:49
And then when we saw in the beginning with Akilah there with
00:28:55
her, with him and Cadrone, and Cadrone is even joking, He was
00:28:58
like love at first sight. I was like, yeah, he bout to
00:29:02
have a girlfriend. And then I thought he was really
00:29:04
gonna leave. And then he was like, I got a
00:29:07
reason to stay now. I was like, OK, good for you,
00:29:09
Sir, good for you. He was like, you know, I learned
00:29:13
the whole. Thing in that thing got nothing
00:29:15
to fight. You ain't got nothing to fight.
00:29:18
You could just live out your days at this point.
00:29:20
Go back to the nest and and help rebuild that.
00:29:24
Continue to help people. I mean, all of what Madam Janae
00:29:30
was doing wasn't bad. She was helping people.
00:29:33
Yeah. Now she had a little bit of
00:29:37
dictatorship, you know. Thinking in it.
00:29:39
Yeah, but all, all of it wasn't bad.
00:29:42
So they can go and kind of rebuild that and just be like,
00:29:44
OK, hey, let's let's go ahead and just kind of help these
00:29:48
people out, help other people out, help people stay safe, you
00:29:52
know, build a better person. Now he can go help Akiba find
00:29:55
her sister if her sister is still alive.
00:29:58
But yeah, I was like, I'm so glad this man made it through
00:30:04
because he deserved it. He did.
00:30:08
He really did. He went through a lot these.
00:30:11
Other folks that they don't introduce these Scottish
00:30:13
bachelors. So again, rewatching it today
00:30:21
after having not having watched it, you know, for a few months,
00:30:25
I was picking up on other things.
00:30:27
So I thought that these were people that Falou had known for
00:30:31
a long time, but no, he met them at the Demi Mont.
00:30:35
So I was like, OK. And then listening to them talk
00:30:40
about their experience, how, you know, it had been a few years
00:30:43
into the zombie apocalypse when they got married and they were
00:30:47
like, yeah, we decided to come to Paris because we had heard
00:30:50
about all this stuff and we just wanted to see what it's like.
00:30:53
I'm still confused as to if they've been in Paris this whole
00:30:57
time because I'm like, y'all are talking about taking them
00:31:00
through these tunnels. Like, y'all just came through
00:31:03
the tunnels recently and y'all know, you know what's going on.
00:31:06
Like this is what we need. We need provisions like if y'all
00:31:12
had recently come through there, I can get it.
00:31:15
But if y'all been in Paris for 10:15 however many years, how do
00:31:20
you know that the system is still the same?
00:31:23
'Cause they used to be with the stuff that they was taking,
00:31:26
'cause they was like you need to such a checkpoint.
00:31:29
What what was going to say about that checkpoint?
00:31:31
So I think the the provisions for the SharePoint were for the
00:31:36
soldiers because as you saw when they went through the tunnel,
00:31:39
those soldiers who were in the SharePoint, they were living in
00:31:42
those tunnels, they had the tents and everything.
00:31:45
So I guess that was just provisions for them to be like,
00:31:48
hey, we got some goodies for y'all.
00:31:50
Y'all, we all let us pass. Kind of like paying a toll
00:31:53
because they had the guns. They could have been like, no,
00:31:56
you need to turn your ass around, go back to Paris.
00:31:59
So I guess that was just their way of guaranteeing that they
00:32:02
would be able to come through. But let's talk about this
00:32:04
tunnel, because I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when we just had
00:32:09
the regular conversation. I'm a huge fan of Stephen King's
00:32:13
The Stand, and ever since I've read that book and seen that
00:32:18
mini series and they had to go through the Lincoln Tunnel in
00:32:22
the midst of dead bodies, I'm like, no, you see them stairs
00:32:25
over on the side. I would have climbed up and I
00:32:29
would have been walking over that time.
00:32:31
It might have been a longer way, but at least I can see what's
00:32:36
going on. You have to give me context.
00:32:39
I have no clue what's your I've never seen the stand.
00:32:41
So what? What happens in the stand?
00:32:42
So the stand is a story about a virus that gets out and it
00:32:47
basically wipes out 75% of the world's population.
00:32:52
OK. People just drop dead or they
00:32:55
get sick and they die. So it's not zombies, but you got
00:32:59
dead bodies all over. So imagine New York City with a
00:33:03
whole bunch of dead bodies just just lying around rotting.
00:33:08
So the Lincoln Tunnel is a tunnel that leads from New York
00:33:13
to I think, New Jersey. OK, it's a tunnel.
00:33:17
It's very dark. It may have lights, but in in
00:33:20
this particular sense, because the infrastructure crashed,
00:33:24
there's no electricity. So you're having to walk through
00:33:29
this tunnel to try to get to New Jersey in the midst of cars with
00:33:34
dead bodies. So thank The Walking Dead and
00:33:39
all of the roadways they have the the dead bodies.
00:33:42
And then, you know, with The Walking Dead, when you start
00:33:45
walking through, you know how the walkers get up and stuff.
00:33:49
OK, no, this doesn't happen. But it's just dead bodies and
00:33:54
it's rotting flesh and you're in in an enclosed space and you're
00:34:00
talking for I don't even remember how long the Lincoln
00:34:04
Tunnel. Hold on, let me see how long the
00:34:07
Lincoln. Tunnel is OK, yeah.
00:34:11
I have never I've never seen that that that movie or is it a
00:34:16
movie? Is is.
00:34:17
The book, yeah, it's it's like a mini series.
00:34:19
But yeah, so in imagine having to walk through a mile and a
00:34:24
half of dead, rotting bodies, cars crashed.
00:34:30
You might have bodies of people who may have gotten out of their
00:34:34
cars and then drop dead where they were and just imagine that.
00:34:39
And then of course, it's Stephen King.
00:34:41
So it has a little bit of a hard take on it.
00:34:44
So there is a little bit of a supernatural element where you
00:34:48
might be in this tunnel, you might start hallucinating things
00:34:50
with. I don't do tunnels when it comes
00:34:53
to zombies and apocalypses. And no, I will, I will.
00:34:58
I think like I said there, there was a staircase on the side.
00:35:02
I would have been up that staircase and just walked over
00:35:05
and we would have just had to figure something out because
00:35:07
there's no way I would have gone into that tunnel.
00:35:10
OK. And, and especially after seeing
00:35:13
Dead City, as I mentioned earlier, and what they had to
00:35:17
go, no, no, absolutely not. But the good thing about this
00:35:22
tunnel is at least for a while, there are no walkers.
00:35:27
There's there's nothing threatening them, but there are
00:35:31
a lot of bats in the tunnel. And when you have a lot of bats,
00:35:35
you get a lot of batshit and apparently bat guano, which I
00:35:42
had never heard that term before because I don't live in an area
00:35:46
that has an abundance of bats. Apparently it can have some
00:35:50
hallucinogenic properties. And so Carol actually kicks a
00:35:55
pile of this. And they, you know, as they get
00:35:58
further in the tunnel, they realize, oh, wait, these
00:36:02
soldiers are dead and they all killed each other.
00:36:05
Now, First off, we talked about the fact that our experienced
00:36:14
people seem to be forgetting Walker one O 1 when it comes to
00:36:19
certain situations. But guess who did this time?
00:36:22
No, no, no, no, hold on before. Before, as you're walking
00:36:28
through, you realize there are no walkers.
00:36:32
You realize everything is dusted over.
00:36:35
There's a thick layer of dust everywhere.
00:36:38
Y'all are not reading the tunnel, you're not reading the
00:36:41
room. Something ain't right about this
00:36:43
situation. As you approach the checkpoint
00:36:48
where you see like I think it was a tank and you see somebody
00:36:51
sitting on top with a gun. Nobody says halt.
00:36:55
Nobody flashes a flashlight in your face.
00:36:57
Nobody says, what are you guys doing?
00:36:59
Who are you? Where are you trying to go?
00:37:01
Nobody says a thing. And this doesn't trigger a for
00:37:07
you. It's.
00:37:10
Safe. Then then you won't pass and you
00:37:15
see that these soldiers are not only dead, but their skeletons
00:37:21
have emaciated so much that you actually see the skeleton and
00:37:27
not just rotting flesh. They've been dead for a minute.
00:37:31
Yeah. And y'all.
00:37:33
And that's also what made me wonder when was the last time
00:37:36
y'all was in this here checkpoint?
00:37:39
That part. So your people radar should have
00:37:44
been going off way before it did?
00:37:48
Way before it did. Yeah.
00:37:51
You're getting a little too comfortable and you're getting a
00:37:53
little too sloppy. They are especially.
00:37:57
For Carol, but I will say this, Carol has some other things that
00:38:01
she was dealing with. And then the back guano, I guess
00:38:04
was was starting to to take effect and they were starting to
00:38:07
hallucinate. But when Daryl realized when,
00:38:10
when you walk into the camp and you realize, hey, they all
00:38:15
killed each other and the girl says it could be the back guano
00:38:20
because it has hallucinatory of, you know, effects that should've
00:38:25
been your cue to turn around and walk the fuck back out the
00:38:29
tunnel. Like, we will figure this out
00:38:31
another way, but this is not good for us.
00:38:34
Then not only that, then you come across some glowing shit.
00:38:39
All of your dead walkers, all of your.
00:38:42
First of all, that's a lot of dead walkers, especially if they
00:38:45
all killed each other. Yeah, then they're glowing.
00:38:51
What? What I was like, you know what?
00:38:57
I I don't know what's about to happen, but it's not about to be
00:39:01
good. I didn't think it was going to
00:39:03
be good honestly, because once she kicked it up and then they
00:39:09
get so they should kick up the dust, they get to checkpoint
00:39:11
where he actually did bang on the little fence.
00:39:15
I'll say good job, good job. Yeah, he kicked that one thing
00:39:19
and then fucked up on everything.
00:39:21
You know, I'm. I'm just saying he.
00:39:28
Brought back some of his original season 1 Walking Dead
00:39:31
training to remember that. Although I will say they were
00:39:36
like you said with the little glowy walkers.
00:39:39
They move kind of slow for me. Like y'all know once you see him
00:39:43
jigging you know just trying to unstick themselves from the
00:39:46
ground. Why y'all wait till they get up
00:39:49
like we y'all know better, you know better.
00:39:53
And, and like I said, I think probably at that time the bad
00:39:57
guano started taking effect. So it could be why they were
00:40:02
slow on the uptake because even in Dead City when Maggie was
00:40:07
dealing, when they were dealing with the hallucinatory effects
00:40:11
of the the gas, they weren't acting quite as quick.
00:40:17
And we fussed about that as well.
00:40:18
So I can kind of sort of see it here.
00:40:21
But like I said, at this point, if when you see what's in front
00:40:26
of you versus what you just came from, turn your ass.
00:40:30
Especially if you know now that you could be feeling effects
00:40:34
like Daryl. Seeing they're not gonna do that
00:40:39
because no, no, no, no. Let me explain.
00:40:41
They're not gonna do that because they are.
00:40:44
They're the whole purpose is we're trying to get through.
00:40:46
We already know what's back there.
00:40:48
We already know. So if this is the way that's
00:40:51
going to get us to London, this is where we got to go.
00:40:55
Like you already know for Darrell and Carol, they know at
00:41:01
the end of the day we're trying to get home and if we got to go
00:41:03
through this tunnel of guano and glow in the dark walkers and
00:41:09
hallucination, then what we gonna do to get where we trying
00:41:11
to go 'cause we gotta get home. We got ass and and LeBron up out
00:41:16
of here. Not now we gotta make it now we
00:41:18
gotta get home then. It was more than one way to do
00:41:21
this. Apparently not in France.
00:41:25
They just wanted to get this is the tunnel that nobody's been in
00:41:29
for who knows God how long from 2 weird ass people who showed up
00:41:33
who probably should have been shocked the first time they
00:41:35
walked through the goddamn gates.
00:41:36
But I digress. We listening to two people who
00:41:41
ain't been you met him in in the House of ill review.
00:41:45
The people's gonna be on the open up.
00:41:49
I'm just saying, right? What?
00:41:51
What if they are not Remember. Remember, like, OK in the
00:41:57
original story, anybody they meet, we skeptical.
00:42:01
Remember they left the backpacker on the road.
00:42:03
They didn't want to help you. Nobody.
00:42:05
Maybe they should go back to the questions that they asked, we
00:42:09
said. This yes.
00:42:10
Because y'all damn perception of people.
00:42:14
Y'all giving everybody the benefit of the doubt in the
00:42:16
beginning. Darrell with the girl and the
00:42:18
old man. Like even going back there, why
00:42:22
are y'all not weary of people? Granted has been 1213 years
00:42:26
since the apocalypse started but people are still people and
00:42:29
y'all are just giving free will Willy nilly.
00:42:32
Oh here's my trust, here's my trust.
00:42:34
What trust? Nobody, right?
00:42:36
You know so. Even in the situation that we in
00:42:39
now, I'm I'm gonna be skeptical of you taking me into a fucking
00:42:45
tunnel. I'm gonna be skeptical of going
00:42:49
into a a a old hospital with you.
00:42:51
I'm gonna be skeptical of all of these things that y'all just oh,
00:42:55
you wanna go in this weird, scary hospital with me and look
00:42:57
for man Sure, let's go. What?
00:43:00
Yeah. Y'all don't have the discernment
00:43:02
that you had in the beginning because you.
00:43:05
What it is is we've been at this so long.
00:43:07
It's time that we we getting LAX on our practices and the things
00:43:11
that we used to survive and get us to where we at right.
00:43:14
Listen through all the. Here's the other thing.
00:43:17
This is the thing that confused me.
00:43:19
So Daryl, when they're going through the camp and he's
00:43:23
looking and he's seeing the condition of everybody, like,
00:43:26
oh, these people attacked themselves.
00:43:28
When he pulls up the blanket and he sees the the two intact gas
00:43:33
masks. Why would you not pick those up
00:43:36
instead of being like oh we gotta go, we gotta go.
00:43:40
Obviously if 'cause he probably more than anything he he still
00:43:45
had clear minds, so of course he's not think this is before
00:43:49
all the hallucinogens kicked. In yes, but of course if she
00:43:53
mentioned it and you see that these people all killed each
00:43:56
other, obvious. I mean, I would just think that
00:44:00
you'd be like, let's take these just in case.
00:44:04
Because even if it was only two and it's five of them, they
00:44:08
could have gave the mass to Carol and the girl and the man
00:44:11
could have just duped it out, toughed it out.
00:44:15
But no. But why would you not pick up
00:44:16
those masks? And then you got to turn around
00:44:18
and go back for him and then you almost get killed because now
00:44:21
there's only two masks and everybody else is scattered.
00:44:24
Codrone has lost his mind thinking you don't killed his
00:44:26
brother. Now he's going after a Walker
00:44:28
that he thinks is his brother. Carol's going after what she
00:44:31
thinks is Sophia. So now you you're left with the
00:44:34
two people you know the least who have no loyalty to you none
00:44:40
and whose loyalty are to each other.
00:44:43
And they're like, oh, there's three of us here.
00:44:46
There's only two gas masks. Guess what?
00:44:49
Hate it for you, but I'm gonna make sure my Boo get out before
00:44:54
I make sure to get out. I was just like, that's where
00:45:00
that lacks the. Attitude.
00:45:05
It's gonna get y'all fucked up. And I need them to stop.
00:45:12
I need them. That's what that's right there
00:45:14
is where it's at right there. I'm gonna just let y'all do what
00:45:18
cause how do you let this man hit you and knock you out?
00:45:22
Knock you onto the ground? I mean, and again, I understand
00:45:25
you're under, you're under effects of, of this stuff
00:45:28
that's, that's making you hallucinate, but your, your
00:45:32
Spidey senses should have been tingling the minute you get to
00:45:37
that camp. You should have been like, no,
00:45:40
let's turn around. And, and I know, yes, the, the
00:45:43
only way out is through. But given the situation and
00:45:47
given where they are and given that you are walking into a, a,
00:45:51
a situation full of unknowns, you don't know who is still left
00:45:56
in that tunnel. You don't know anything about
00:45:59
these glow in the dark walkers except for, oh, you know, some,
00:46:04
some plants and animals. They have their own
00:46:06
bioluminescence. You don't know that that's what
00:46:09
that is. Remember, you are in a country
00:46:11
where they were experimenting on shit.
00:46:14
You don't know what that stuff does, but you just going to be
00:46:18
like, oh everybody, come on, follow me single file, don't
00:46:22
make any noise where every single step is making a noise.
00:46:28
That's where that LAX ass relaxed ass oh I trust you and I
00:46:33
just met you 20 less than 24 hours ago yes I'll follow you
00:46:37
into the dark tunnel comes in. Let me tell you this for.
00:46:42
Season 3 when they get to London since it's just Darrell and
00:46:47
Carol now. At least for right now that we
00:46:49
know 'cause we don't know where the fuck could drone disappeared
00:46:54
to after this. We don't know if he alive, if he
00:46:56
did, if he's still following the Walker.
00:46:58
We don't know what's going on. Darrell and Carol, I need y'all
00:47:01
to get your shit together. I need y'all to go back to
00:47:05
basics because. One-on-one.
00:47:09
Y'all gonna be stuck in Europe forever at this rate.
00:47:12
Don't. At this rate I need you to get,
00:47:15
you're not gonna find another pilot, and you're damn sure
00:47:17
ain't gonna find another boat. Well, you have more likelihood
00:47:21
of finding a boat. Than you do than you would have
00:47:23
plane. Yeah.
00:47:26
Look at this point y'all better find a canoe and just roll your
00:47:29
ass back to America cause y'all need to go back to basics and
00:47:35
y'all are not I. I don't know what it is about
00:47:37
France. Maybe it's the weather, maybe
00:47:39
it's the air, but y'all have not been doing what you're supposed
00:47:43
to be doing since y'all got here.
00:47:46
At all and y'all fucking up I'm need them to get it together
00:47:51
very quickly right because at this rate y'all not even gonna
00:47:54
make it home like this just The Walking Dead friends edition
00:47:59
like if this because y'all. Y'all y'all not making?
00:48:04
Smart decisions at all. Not making smart safe decisions
00:48:09
or doing shit that's gonna have y'all some most shit you just
00:48:13
got out of some shit. Speaking of which, you don't
00:48:16
know shit. Speaking of which, let's let's
00:48:18
just move that conversation on to Carol, 'cause we got we got a
00:48:21
lot to unpack here. And I really hate Michelle is
00:48:23
not here about this because she was the one that was having the
00:48:26
biggest. Carol, you should be over this.
00:48:29
We should not be still dealing with this.
00:48:32
So we get a little bit more insight into Carol's frame of
00:48:37
mind in this episode in regards to Sophia.
00:48:40
And the big thing for her is she doesn't remember what Sophia
00:48:45
looks like prior to her coming out the barn.
00:48:48
And we have to think about this, if this is, if the timeline is
00:48:52
right, it's been about, like we said, anywhere from 11 to 13
00:48:55
years. So Sophia has actually been dead
00:49:00
longer than she was alive at this point, and that is
00:49:04
something that Carol has been carrying.
00:49:07
And then of course, now you're seeing all these reminders of
00:49:10
Sophia. You know, you saw the girl at
00:49:12
the nest that kind of had on the same type clothing as her and
00:49:17
just all of these different reminders.
00:49:19
That's bringing it all back up. And it really is because she's
00:49:23
never one. She's never really properly
00:49:25
dealt with it. Like I think she accepts what
00:49:31
happened, but at the same time, I think there's still a little
00:49:35
piece of her that's still holding on to Sophia as or
00:49:40
trying to hold on to her as somebody alive.
00:49:43
And when you do that and you start thinking about the stuff
00:49:46
that she that, that she went through and how she might have
00:49:50
died and everything, all that's going to do is keep opening up
00:49:52
that wound and keep opening up that guilt.
00:49:56
Then as a parent for you to say, I don't remember her face
00:50:00
anymore. All I remember is what come out
00:50:01
came out of the barn. Like I felt that your mother,
00:50:05
I'm a mother. I felt that I understood that
00:50:08
grief. That's, and especially in this
00:50:11
type of world, you don't have pictures, you don't have
00:50:15
photographs, you don't have anything, anything to remind you
00:50:20
of her. There's no keepsakes, no
00:50:23
mementos. You don't have a family home to
00:50:25
go back to at this point. It's just all you have is what's
00:50:29
in your mind. And when you have gone through
00:50:31
what Carol has gone through, the trauma, the having to kill
00:50:36
people, the losing people, just all of this stuff, I can see
00:50:42
where I I kind of get her in a way that I didn't get her years
00:50:49
before. Because at one point, especially
00:50:51
when she went to the king, when she went to the Kingdom and she
00:50:54
was like, I'm done. I'm not killing.
00:50:56
I'm just going to go live in this house and be by myself and
00:50:58
read romance novels. I was at that point in the show,
00:51:01
I was like, Carol just needs to die.
00:51:03
I just, we don't have time for this.
00:51:06
And then, you know, as the years kind of went by, I was like, OK,
00:51:10
that's the wrong attitude to have because you want people to
00:51:13
hold on to some of their humanity, even in this type of
00:51:17
world. And that's what Carol was
00:51:19
fighting to do. And at the time, I was just
00:51:21
looking at it like, look, it's fight or or die.
00:51:26
And no, you do have to hold on to a little bit of of who you
00:51:29
are. And so I understand her a little
00:51:31
bit more with this. And then for her to have the
00:51:36
hallucinations that she had, she thought she saw Sophia walking
00:51:40
into the service tunnel. So then she gets into the
00:51:43
service tunnel, she still thinks she sees Sophia.
00:51:46
And then she sees a Walker version of herself.
00:51:48
I'm going to tell you, when I saw that Walker version of
00:51:51
herself, I really thought Carol was about to die.
00:51:53
I thought that was her accepting her fate and she was going to be
00:51:56
like, OK, you know what? I'm done.
00:51:58
I was like, if y'all gave us this fucking season just to kill
00:52:01
her off. And and then when she kind of
00:52:07
cleared up and the little girl came to her and she, you know,
00:52:10
the little girl who was supposed to be Sophia came to her and
00:52:13
kind of, you know, hugged her. I really thought I said, OK,
00:52:18
she's embracing a Walker right now.
00:52:19
She's about to get bit because I thought it was kind of sort of
00:52:23
like what Tyrese was going through before he died because,
00:52:26
you know, he was having all of these different visions and, and
00:52:30
seeing things and hearing things that weren't really there.
00:52:33
And then all of a sudden you're getting bit by, you know, Noah's
00:52:38
little brother. I really thought that's what was
00:52:40
about to happen to Carol. I was like, oh.
00:52:44
She. Thinks she's seeing Sophia.
00:52:46
Sophia is giving her a hug. She feels like oh, my life is
00:52:49
complete. I've seen my little girl again
00:52:52
and. She's going to die.
00:52:52
I really thought that's how this was about to end.
00:52:56
I did the first two, but then I was like, what?
00:53:00
Once you realize everybody else? What made me realize that she
00:53:04
wasn't going to die is because they were paralleling Darryl,
00:53:08
seeing Isabel with Carol sing Sofia.
00:53:12
So to me, it was like for both of those people, they had
00:53:16
goodbyes that they needed to resolve.
00:53:19
And for me, that hallucination, that dreamworld for them cleared
00:53:27
their mind of what they needed to do in order to move from this
00:53:30
place, to go to the next place. So that was like one of my
00:53:32
things with them, clearing up, you know, storylines and and,
00:53:37
you know, getting finality on some things, like Daryl finally
00:53:40
dealing with Isabel and letting her go.
00:53:42
Yeah. Finally dealing with Sophia and
00:53:44
really letting her go, you know, letting her go in the sense of,
00:53:49
you know, I can go in a barn without, you know, having
00:53:53
hallucinations and. Yeah, like thing with Daryl and
00:53:57
Isabel, her telling him you're not gonna die here like your
00:54:00
granddad did. Get up.
00:54:02
Yeah. We, we, we have to move from
00:54:03
this space. That's what I got from both of
00:54:06
those, because they were parallel in their realizations
00:54:10
and in their. Closures, yeah, I got that too.
00:54:14
Once they did start going back and forth, back and forth.
00:54:17
But at the beginning, when it was just Carol, I was, I was, I
00:54:22
was like, well, it's been a nice run.
00:54:26
I didn't think it was gonna happen like this, but I'm, I'm
00:54:30
glad that she was able to see what she needed to see to get
00:54:36
out of that. So hopefully this will no longer
00:54:39
be an issue for her. Like, she can finally let Sophia
00:54:43
rest in peace and she can kind of forgive herself for because I
00:54:49
think a lot of it, too, is survivor's guilt.
00:54:51
She's like, OK, my little girl is gone, but I'm still here.
00:54:53
Like, even after everything, I'm still here.
00:54:56
Like after all the times I've given up, I'm still here.
00:55:01
After the time I almost walked my ass off the Cliff, I'm still
00:55:04
here. So I know there's a little bit
00:55:06
of that survivor's guilt. So hopefully now she can, she
00:55:10
can be at peace with that and can let that go and then.
00:55:17
She needed to let that one go in order to let all the subsequent
00:55:20
ones go, because Sophia was the 1st.
00:55:23
And then you have Henry and you have Lizzie and my and Mika and
00:55:28
Mika. So Sophia was the original wound
00:55:34
for that. Yeah.
00:55:35
So that's closed now. Although, I mean, not saying
00:55:38
they heard any less or anything like that, right.
00:55:41
But closing that wound? We can now grow from that and
00:55:46
move on. Yeah.
00:55:47
Yeah. I'm saying that you just move on
00:55:49
from a child's death. Not that's no.
00:55:51
But I mean, like, kind of like Michelle said, it's been.
00:55:54
Yeah. And then also, I think, you
00:55:57
know, I think a lot of times when we think about characters
00:56:01
in fictional worlds and especially in apocalypses, we
00:56:05
try to apply reason and logic and emotion for our current day
00:56:12
and age to that kind of situation.
00:56:16
And I just feel like, yeah, as a parent, it's going to hurt you
00:56:20
if your if your child dies. But also I, I feel like in that
00:56:25
type of world, you kind of have to, I think deal with it
00:56:29
differently because it's not like all your child just
00:56:34
unexpectedly died. Like literally every second that
00:56:37
you live in this type of world, anybody can die, you know?
00:56:41
And I think at at some point you have to get to a point where you
00:56:46
have to let it go. Because other than that, that
00:56:50
can kind of keep you from doing what you need in order to keep
00:56:54
yourself, to keep other people safe.
00:56:57
Like, there's nothing she can do for Sophia now.
00:57:00
Sophia is done, gone. All she can do is take the
00:57:04
mistakes that were made in that situation.
00:57:08
Or maybe not even mistakes, because who can say?
00:57:11
Nobody knows what happened to Sophia for her to get where she
00:57:15
was. Because technically speaking, if
00:57:17
she had hid in that little Cove that Rick put her in, if she had
00:57:22
gotten into the corner and just kind of stayed there, if a
00:57:26
Walker had gone past, I think it would have gone past her because
00:57:30
one it she wasn't bleeding, so it's not like it would have
00:57:33
smelled her blood. She was in a swamp.
00:57:36
So it would have, it could have covered her scent enough.
00:57:39
If she had just been quiet, maybe not panicked, then she
00:57:43
could have been OK. If she had stayed there until
00:57:45
Rick came back, she might have still been alive.
00:57:47
Now, whether Walker found her first, whether she panicked and
00:57:50
ran, we will never know. So we don't know if there were
00:57:53
mistakes made or not. But at this point, all you can
00:57:56
do is take whatever lessons you can from that situation and move
00:58:01
forward with your life. And I'm hoping that now she can
00:58:05
do that now that she has. I think she can.
00:58:08
She has that now that she has especially now that she has
00:58:12
remembered Sophia's face. She's seen it now, you know, and
00:58:17
I think even though they got a different actress to play, I
00:58:19
think they did a really good job.
00:58:22
So yeah, I just now, now I need you since you've you've had this
00:58:29
and you have this closure now I need you to pack this up and put
00:58:33
it away and I need you to go back to being Terminus Carol.
00:58:36
I need you to go back to to having your wits about you and
00:58:41
questioning shit and not trusting people and and do what
00:58:45
you need to do to get the fuck home.
00:58:47
That part I agree. And the same with Daryl.
00:58:51
I know that Daryl has some guilt.
00:58:53
I know he felt bad. It's like, especially at the
00:58:56
beginning of the episode, you know, that little, that little
00:58:59
scene with him and Laurent playing with the altitude guitar
00:59:02
and singing the song. I think that was really sweet
00:59:05
'cause you don't really see Daryl breakdown like that very
00:59:09
often, right? And, you know, he's looking at
00:59:12
this little kid knowing he's about to be separated from him,
00:59:16
knowing that there's a possibility he may not see him
00:59:19
again, you know? And he, I think he feels a
00:59:23
little bit of guilt about that too, because like Laurent said,
00:59:25
everybody that he cares about has pretty much died.
00:59:30
And I think Darrell feels some guilt about that.
00:59:33
But I also think he was feeling some sadness because he was
00:59:35
like, OK, I'm about to send y'all home and I still can't get
00:59:39
there. I'm still not going.
00:59:42
And that's all I've been trying to do for months and so now.
00:59:48
OK. But I think the resolve that
00:59:50
Laurent is going to be OK is the resolve that he had in the
00:59:53
beginning. Yeah.
00:59:54
Like as long as you OK. I'm bi.
00:59:57
Yeah. It'll be OK no matter what, long
01:00:00
as I get you to a safe place and make sure you know these people
01:00:03
don't kill you. I'm good.
01:00:04
You know, they're a lot of kids. He he does.
01:00:09
Kids. And that was the thing when he
01:00:11
was when he was having a conversation with Ash and Ash
01:00:14
asked him if he had kids and he was like, no, he thought maybe
01:00:18
it's good, you know, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:19
And you know, cuz you don't have anything to worry about.
01:00:22
And there was like, I worry plenty.
01:00:24
Like you should have been like, I don't have my own children,
01:00:27
but I do have children that I care for.
01:00:29
But that's the other thing. OK, so another part of the
01:00:33
episode that I really, really loved because I also said I
01:00:36
think a couple episodes episodes ago that I really wanted this.
01:00:40
He and Cadrone actually had the conversation.
01:00:43
About his brother. And Cadrone mentions his brother
01:00:47
and when he said when he said his brother's name, Michelle,
01:00:51
Daryl looked at him like, I know that name.
01:00:55
And then so when he says you never really told me how it
01:00:59
happened when you killed Michelle and there was like, I
01:01:02
didn't kill him. He said, what do you mean he
01:01:05
said no? The girl beat me to it.
01:01:07
Cadrone's face was like, what girl?
01:01:10
I know you're not talking about the girl that I left sitting on
01:01:12
the on on the side of the street alive.
01:01:15
And Lego right and let go. And there was like, yes, skinny
01:01:18
little girl on the road. She was with an old man who
01:01:21
tricked me into thinking he was blind.
01:01:23
And control was like, hold up, hold up.
01:01:25
She told me you killed him. And there was like, would you
01:01:28
expect her to tell you? You have this realization for
01:01:33
Cadrone. And I was like, oh, when he
01:01:35
finally gets a chance to like, really sit down and think about
01:01:38
this, it's going to hit him hard because he said so.
01:01:42
You mean that everything that I have done since Marseille, the
01:01:49
Abbey, the nest, everything that I have done was because of a lie
01:01:56
she told me? And I said yeah, bro, you got
01:01:59
some reckoning to do because you went in and killed nuns.
01:02:02
Yes. Over a lie.
01:02:05
Over a lie. And I mean even if it wasn't a
01:02:08
lie you went in and you killed nuns, you could have went in
01:02:13
there. You know if you had to get
01:02:15
violent you could have beat them up a little bit, tried to get
01:02:17
some information out of them and you could have left them on
01:02:20
their way so that they can they can heal and and recover.
01:02:24
But no, y'all literally machine gun down some nuts just for you
01:02:29
to find out that the person you have been hell bent on killing
01:02:33
this whole time didn't actually kill your brother.
01:02:37
Didn't even do it. Now, the thing about that
01:02:40
conversation that I wish they could have added a little more
01:02:43
nuance to it, and I think it would have also helped them bond
01:02:47
a little bit more, was when he talked about how protective he
01:02:52
was of his brother and how hard it was to see him like that and
01:02:57
having to put it into him, He said, you know, it's almost like
01:03:02
you lose a piece of yourself. And there was response was I can
01:03:07
imagine, no shit, Sherlock, you had to do the same thing to you.
01:03:11
I can't imagine, you know exactly what he do.
01:03:14
And so I wish that that that could have been added to the
01:03:17
conversation because I think that would have been a little
01:03:20
bit more like Darrell could have told him I would not do that to
01:03:24
somebody else because I've had to live through that.
01:03:26
I had to do that to my I had. To do that, but yes.
01:03:28
You know, I would have. I wouldn't like that, but you
01:03:32
know, I guess it works for for what they are because it's not
01:03:36
like we're we're looking for them to become best friends.
01:03:39
Because John was just basically like, OK, I'm still going to
01:03:42
help you guys, but I need to know what happened between you
01:03:45
and my brother. And for him to hear that truth.
01:03:48
I know that that was what he needed.
01:03:49
But, you know, we kind of added a little bit more into that,
01:03:54
especially since Darryl doesn't really get to talk about Merle
01:03:58
very often. But also too, I thought it was
01:04:02
kind of poetic that Cujrone said something about that.
01:04:05
He was like, you know, when you have to do something like that,
01:04:08
it's like you're killing a piece of yourself or you're losing a
01:04:11
piece of yourself. And if you think about it, when
01:04:14
Daryl had to do that tomorrow, he lost that last little tie of
01:04:19
his old self and who he was in the old world.
01:04:23
And that's when he fully, fully became a part.
01:04:26
Of the group. Like pride or die, I'm I'm with
01:04:30
y'all all the way. But he didn't have nobody else.
01:04:33
He had to. I mean, he didn't have to.
01:04:35
But at that point, he who, who was left, he everybody he loved
01:04:39
was gone. Yeah.
01:04:40
His brother was the only thing he had.
01:04:43
Even though his brother was a racist asshole.
01:04:45
He my brother. Yeah, yeah.
01:04:49
Because even when he left Merle in the in the in the forest and
01:04:53
and went to go back to the group, that's still his brother.
01:04:57
Yeah, he's had to tell him a little bit about himself, but
01:05:00
instead his brother. He still loves his brother.
01:05:02
Yeah, yeah. So that would have been a nice
01:05:05
touch. But yeah, overall, like I said,
01:05:10
I did like the episode. They were just, they're just
01:05:12
things about the characters that are starting to Earth me because
01:05:16
I feel like there's certain things they're doing that are
01:05:18
not characteristic of them. And when we go into Season 3,
01:05:24
going into London, which is where supposedly is, is better
01:05:28
in England. But again, the two, I can't even
01:05:32
remember the Fiona Angus, I think that with their names,
01:05:35
they were talking about how things were so much better in
01:05:38
London because, you know, the police there got hold of
01:05:42
everything quick. They shut everything down quick.
01:05:45
But how long have you been in Paris?
01:05:46
How do you know it's still the same?
01:05:48
I mean, it very well could be. It very well could be the tunnel
01:05:53
was a. Sign that y'all don't know the
01:05:56
tunnel was a sign that they don't know you don't because
01:06:01
them they they, they've been there in that tunnel for a
01:06:02
little minute. They've been a little.
01:06:04
Bit just a little bit yes, they mean it.
01:06:08
So I I wouldn't take faith in what the hell they said no, but
01:06:13
you also, but also like if you think about it, we don't know
01:06:19
how much communication there has been between the States and
01:06:23
other countries since this is falling because a lot of the
01:06:26
communications have been two way radios which those are not very
01:06:30
long range the the common not the Commonwealth.
01:06:34
The CRM may have been in touch with other other countries and
01:06:39
I'm sure the people who were coming for Madam Janay's group
01:06:44
when they were coming over to to the port, I'm sure they had some
01:06:48
kind of communication. But other than that, we don't
01:06:51
know what's going on in anywhere of the rest of the world.
01:06:54
So London could be thriving right now.
01:06:56
They could have just cut themselves off from everyone and
01:06:59
been like, fuck y'all, we're safe, we're good.
01:07:03
And once they figured out what was going on with the rest of
01:07:06
the world, they probably, you know, do the same thing that our
01:07:09
group does. When someone dies, you stake
01:07:11
them in the head, you burn the bodies or you burn them or
01:07:14
whatever. They're probably doing that.
01:07:16
They could be, or they could be walking into a total wasteland.
01:07:22
We just don't know. But at least Daryl and Carol are
01:07:28
together, the dynamic duo. So I have a feeling they can
01:07:34
handle whatever is coming their way.
01:07:37
But like I said, only if they remain.
01:07:41
Yeah, they got to go back to basics.
01:07:43
They got to go back to basics. And I understand in this type of
01:07:46
world, especially this many years, and yes, you do need to
01:07:49
have allies. You do need to build trust with
01:07:52
people. You do need to build community,
01:07:55
especially for for people like them who are so far away from
01:07:59
anything and everything that they know.
01:08:03
But I just need you to be a little more cautious now and.
01:08:08
That that's even goes so back as far as to when they were in
01:08:12
Greenland. You just could remember, look at
01:08:16
Carol entering Alexandria and then look at Carol here.
01:08:22
Is she the same girl? Like where is that chameleon
01:08:26
that we're so used to? Right.
01:08:28
You're just so trusting. Like you let a stranger she.
01:08:34
She played the chameleon pretty good, trying to infiltrate, you
01:08:37
know, Madame Jenae's, you know, that whole situation.
01:08:41
But you can man. You had to go through that, you
01:08:44
know? Yeah, like you let this this
01:08:48
virtual stranger get hold of of the crossbow and then pointed at
01:08:54
your ass, huh? So yeah, let's not do that
01:08:59
anymore. At all do.
01:09:01
That anymore like y'all making stupid mistake y'all making.
01:09:04
First season mistakes. Yeah, yeah.
01:09:08
So it was a good, Yeah, it was a good episode.
01:09:16
Had lots of emotional moments, had some very well deserved
01:09:20
deaths and Laurent got away, which is a good thing.
01:09:25
So I don't know if we're going to see Laurent next season,
01:09:28
unless I don't. I don't think they have been
01:09:31
renewed for Season 4 yet, so maybe Season 3 will be the end
01:09:36
and we can see Darrell and Laurent reunite at the end of
01:09:40
that. Darrell and Rick.
01:09:42
I know, I know. I that's that goes without
01:09:45
saying. That goes without saying.
01:09:47
I'm saying. Though.
01:09:48
Here's my question now. So what is season 3 going to be
01:09:51
called? Because season 1 was Daryl
01:09:53
Dixon. Season 2 was the book of Carol.
01:09:56
OK, we don't need a Book of Carol for the third season
01:09:59
because they're both together. It'll be Daryl Dixon.
01:10:05
Going home? I don't know.
01:10:07
It's got to be something. Oh, Daryl Dixon, the return
01:10:13
returning home. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
01:10:18
I I. Can or Or it could be Daryl
01:10:20
Dixon, Carol and Dale besties forever.
01:10:22
You know, no, because they already have a long, they
01:10:26
already have a long ass title like The Walking Dead, Colon,
01:10:33
Daryl Dixon, Colon, The Book of Carol.
01:10:35
Like really, really, can we condense this?
01:10:40
Can we? It's going to be the book of
01:10:41
going home. That's what I'm saying.
01:10:43
Going home, Daryl Dixon, going home, Daryl Dixon the home, go
01:10:47
home, going home, homecoming, whatever, the reunion, whatever,
01:10:54
whatever. I just need y'all to go home at
01:10:56
this point. So this is it for season 2.
01:11:01
We got season 3 coming, which I think you'll probably I'm hoping
01:11:05
it'll come around fall because the Darrell Dixon show has been
01:11:08
good about these about turning around and and getting us the
01:11:12
next season because it was only literally first season was
01:11:17
released fall of 2023. Second season was released fall
01:11:21
of 2024. So I'm hoping that means that
01:11:25
we'll get the third season, fall of 20, the fall of this year,
01:11:28
because they were already filming Season 3 while Season 2
01:11:32
was on the air. Oh, OK, Yeah, 'cause they were
01:11:37
filming in Madrid, OK. So then we got to figure out how
01:11:42
you getting from London to Spain.
01:11:44
Well, I don't know if they're actually going to Spain or if
01:11:47
they just used Spain as the yeah, as the location, but they
01:11:53
could be filming in Spain and saying that it's it's London.
01:11:57
I mean, it wouldn't be unheard of.
01:11:58
That's true. How many places, how many places
01:12:02
actually originated here in Atlanta with our film industry?
01:12:06
So, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it could be, but you have
01:12:14
anything final to say about this episode?
01:12:17
Nope. I'm glad they wrapped up all the
01:12:18
little stories. We don't have no loose ends.
01:12:21
Yeah, we don't have none of that.
01:12:23
We, we, we they left everybody in a good place.
01:12:26
Where we not going to be questioning what happened after.
01:12:29
Yeah. 'Cause Sabine ain't coming after
01:12:31
them in France, in England, she she's done for.
01:12:35
Lou has no reason for Lou might come and visit them, You know,
01:12:38
maybe him and Akila will find her sister and then they'll be
01:12:41
like, oh, let's go to England. So or maybe Daryl and Carol will
01:12:45
find her sister and be like, oh, we met your sister.
01:12:48
Yeah, let's go back to no, let's not go back to France.
01:12:50
No, they're not going to go back to.
01:12:52
France, Yeah. We need to find, we need to find
01:12:54
a pigeon and get a message that to your sister that you are
01:12:58
alive. OK.
01:13:00
OK. So that's it for Daryl Dixon.
01:13:04
We have Dead City coming up, supposedly sometime this spring.
01:13:10
We've seen a couple of trailers. It looks interesting enough.
01:13:14
I'm going to reserve my, my comments and my, my thoughts
01:13:19
because we were a little disappointed in the first season
01:13:26
and how they kind of took Maggie's character and you know,
01:13:31
basically what the, what, what the storyline was.
01:13:34
So we're going to see what it's like.
01:13:36
We're going to, we're going to hold off judgement and we're
01:13:39
going to go in with an open mind because this is still The
01:13:43
Walking Dead. These are still characters we
01:13:45
love. We just need our characters to
01:13:47
get back to the people that they are or to do the shit that they
01:13:52
supposed to be doing. Swear to God.
01:13:55
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