#thewalkingdead #daryldixon #thebookofcarol Daryl and Carol reunite with Laurent and Fallou while searching for a missing Ash. Daryl seek help from a frenemy. Losang continues his search for Laurent. Carol makes a long overdue confession. Daryl gets revenge.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Casey. And we are talking about episode
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5 of Season 2's Daryl Dixon, The Book of Carol.
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We said it, we've been saying it.
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We said it. Daryl versus Low saying was
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gonna have to go down. And we got it in this episode.
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Yes. And it was with his toothpick.
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With his toothpick. I mean, it was a good, it was a
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good fight. It was good, but it was just
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satisfying. It was so satisfying.
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It was, and at first you thought.
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As as all fights, do you think Darrell's going to lose and then
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what he do picked up on how you smash in the skull with the
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skull? So first of all, the fact that
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and yes, we starting towards the end because we had to get that.
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I had to get that out there because I have been one in Los
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Ange dead for at least the last two episodes, maybe 3.
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So the fact that he got what was coming to him was so satisfying.
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And not only that, like you said, you get killed with a
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skull, not just a skull. You're in the catacombs.
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First of all, the fact that y'all going through the
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catacombs shooting and desecrate?
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Excuse me? These are the.
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Catacombs, you don't do that. We don't do that.
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Here we don't. Do that and not only that, like
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I know that, you know, maybe the place isn't really haunted, but
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there's a movie I saw couple of years ago.
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My daughter introduced me to it and it's called as above, so
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below. And it's, it's, it's one of
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those horror stories that takes place in the catacombs.
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And it's, it's kind of sort of like Blair Witch Project, but
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it's in the catacombs like this. This girl is going in and she's
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trying to, she's doing like a, A blog piece about the catacombs
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because supposedly it's haunted. And she goes through that.
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All sorts of weird shit happens. Now that's not a movie I'm going
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to watch several times, but it, it was a good movie.
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So all I can think about was that when they were going
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through the catacombs and I was like, where are these ghosts
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now? Where are these things that like
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come at you and it's it's you facing your own mistakes and
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that's what brings you down? I was really looking for that
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for Losang and for Jacinta. But I was like, OK, yeah, I'm
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just going to desecrate the the catacombs and just get your ass
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beat in the process. But OK, we can go with that.
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We can go, but let's go back. To the beginning was man.
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Hold on, what was this? Wait.
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Somebody against the wall does not kill them.
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We'll, we'll, we'll come back to that.
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We'll come back to that. I mean, 'cause we said you
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didn't. Even check to see if she was.
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Dead. Did you not watch Zombieland?
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I'm sure Zombieland came out before 2010.
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Double tap, double tap, double tap that bitch.
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But anyway, we'll come back to that.
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We'll come back. Let's go back to the beginning.
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So Carol and Daryl, it's interesting seeing them in this
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episode because, you know, we talked about it in the last
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episode of how even though they had just found each other, they
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were still kind of bickering with each other and everything.
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I feel like in this episode they were more on one accord.
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There wasn't a lot of the pettiness and I think maybe it
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was just because Daryl, I think in this episode was kind of
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coming to grips with the fact that Isabel was gone.
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They find Laurent. So I think he kind of, I won't
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say his spirit lightened a little bit, but at least he
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didn't have to worry about whether or not Laurent was safe
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because he did make it back to the nest.
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Well, not the nest. The, I don't know what you call
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the original, the little hideout that they went to at first.
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It's not the Nest, but it's, it's like, well, you know, yeah,
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it's like a sanctuary. So they they do make it back
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there, him and Falou and Cadrone shows up because of course he's
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like, I don't have anywhere else to go.
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Now here's the question that I have, because we know he was on
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the run from everything that happened at the Nest.
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And through the course of the episode, we see the newly formed
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group between Los Sangs people and Madam Janae's people who
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decided to stay and follow him to try to go and and take care
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of Laurent. So during the course of the
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episode, Carol and Daryl end up going back to Maison Mayor
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because they're looking for Ash because when they go back to the
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hangar, Ash is not there. Apparently he, I guess he left
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to try to go find gas because they find gas cans of his and
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that's how they know that's where he went.
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I don't recall Maison Mayer falling in the last couple of
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episodes. So this was something that had
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to have happened off screen, right?
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Because the last time we saw Maison Mayer was when Carol was
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revealed to be there looking for Daryl, and then Madam Jenae took
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her with her to go to the nest. But there wasn't anything, you
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know the. But you have to realize that
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this is after Janae's death. So you know soldiers at that
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point, 'cause you have all of the main, like your head, main
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people went to the nest, so they never made it back to their
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headquarters. So once the word has spread that
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old Janae is dead, it's anarchy. People trying.
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To figure I was just trying to remember, I was like, that had
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to have happened off screen because that was a lot of dead
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people at Maison Mayor off. Screen but that the reason.
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OK, yeah, I mean, I understand the reason, but I was sitting
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here trying to figure out. I was like, I don't remember
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this happening on screen because that would have been like AI
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think that would have been a major scene because of course
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you're going to have the people who are still loyal to her or
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loyal to her cause going against the people who are like, oh,
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yeah, OK, so we never really agreed with her.
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We're gonna go over here with this dude.
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But ain't that the ain't that the group that's technically
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with Sabine? They're still with her.
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Some of them are. Yeah, the one, the ones who are
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with Sabine, they are the ones who are following Low saying
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that. But.
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The others, whoever may have, you know, may have been
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following Madam Janay. Because again, here's the thing
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with Losang. Most of the people who are
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following him, they don't know that his intent is to like, like
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they said, they don't know that his intent is to martyr Laurent.
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They think that, you know, Laurent is this symbol of the
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future. The saying is going to find him,
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to protect him and to, you know, prove that he is supposed to be
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the saving the Messiah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But they don't realize that he's planning on and, and of course
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we're saying killing him because we know that there's a very,
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very, very low probability that a Walker bite is not going to do
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anything to him. He's going to die.
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He's going to come, maybe he'll maybe it'll be slower than
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usual, I don't know. But I don't think most of the
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people, even with low things group knew what his true intent
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was. So I seriously doubt if he would
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tell that to Sabine and her followers.
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He's just basically like, OK, yes, Laurent is going to be the
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savior of of of us all. And the problem is they're
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sheep. They're not asking questions.
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Right at all they're. Just like, oh, he's going to be
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the savior. OK, let's go find him.
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Ain't nobody. Peeped a thing like yeah OK.
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Nobody has asked questions, but I mean, the people at the
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sanctuary, they know because Falou told them what was going
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on about Losang kind of turning on them or what he intended to
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do. So when Losang does show up
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there to look for Laurent, he is met with at first, not really
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resistance, but they're like pretending like, oh, we sent we
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sent Laurent to you at the nest. If he's missing, we need to go
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help find him. Is that damn Rubik's Cube?
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That damn cube. Girl, the damn Rubik's Cube that
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gives him away. But did you notice when he's
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giving his speech to the sanctuary and he talks about the
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way the world is and, you know, our children have known nothing
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but fear. And Laurent is going to you
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know, I'm I'm paraphrasing. He's going to fix things.
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He's going to be the savior. He's the thing that, you know,
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that's going to carry us into the future.
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You know, he what what is it? He said something about people
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believe that God is no longer here because of the way the
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world is. He was like Laurent is proof the
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rock will be proof that God still exists.
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And for Lou says, and I think this is same thing Isabel said
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before she died to to Lozan. He said if you if you need to
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prove, you know, if you need to prove your face, you've already
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lost it. And you know, they start
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clapping. Did you see the way his face
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changed? It went from bewilderment to I
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was like, Yep, the evil switch just flipped.
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Like it just actually flipped. So he he already got that taste
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of evil. When he stabbed Isabel.
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The same thing happened. She sliced him and then he was
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like, and they went, went and stabbed him and and again, it
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was like one of those like, Oh my God, did I do that?
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And then it was like, yeah, I didn't do that.
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OK, let's go. Really.
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Oh, OK. That's what we're doing.
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But you a man of God. OK, I got you.
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I was glad he got his skull crushed, you know, because he
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was getting on my nerves. When I say the death, this is.
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Not the man that started this whole thing in the beginning.
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So this old, you know, nonviolent could what what you
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the one preaching about Daryl teaching the wrong anything.
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Oh, maybe it's a little too violent.
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What? No, but you know what I think
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the problem was? He didn't want Laurent to learn
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how to defend himself because he knew the plans he had for
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Laurent. He wanted Laurent to just be
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docile and accepting of whatever his fate is.
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But he wasn't going to do that. That's one of the reasons why I
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think he really drugged him up because he was like, yeah, no,
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Laurent has been around there a little bit too, too long.
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He's going to ask questions. Because if Isabel is asking
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questions and for Lewis asking questions and Sylvia is asking
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questions, like these are the people that that that Daryl had
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direct contact with. These are the people who Daryl
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would consider his friends over in France.
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Like these are the people who he has learned to trust and who has
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learned to trust him. So if he's questioning what
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they're doing, then they'll. Probably look like so.
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Do we have to do this in this particular way?
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Is there not another way for Laurent to save us?
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Is there not another way for him to be whatever it is we need him
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to be in? Like Falou said to them at the
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sanctuary when they were talking about Laurent, he said Laurent
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has always been the symbol of the future.
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He will still be the symbol of the future.
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But Lo Sang is trying to make him a martyr.
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And it's like that's the thing you see it so clear with with
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Falou. You saw it with Isabel and
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probably was Sylvie too, if she had lived a little bit longer.
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Like it's not that Darrell is coming over and just
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radicalizing them or whatever into this new way of thinking.
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It's almost like they were asleep.
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And now that they have it, it's, it's always like this too.
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Whenever you have a group or you have a, a clique or a, a, a
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program or a belief system or whatever, you're always going to
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believe that. It's always when an outsider
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comes in and is looking at it with different eyes, with fresh
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eyes, that sometimes they say things to make us go, huh, maybe
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that's not the best way for us to do it.
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And I just think that's all Daryl was.
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Daryl wasn't trying to say, OK, y'all can't believe in this kid
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or this that other. But Daryl was like, you know,
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Daryl has been practical. Daryl has seen things.
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He has been out in this world more than these people have,
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'cause these people have been on rooftops, they've been
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sheltered, they've been growing food, they've been doing all
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this other stuff, which I'm not knocking because if you're able
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to do that and survive for 12 years, hats off to you.
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Yeah, but it makes them very woefully unprepared when the
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real shit starts happening. Yeah, but I will say this, a
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drone, and I said this a couple of episodes ago.
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He's becoming one of my new favorite people, even though I
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know we said we're not gonna have favorite people 'cause we
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know that they're gonna end up dying.
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But I. Don't like him?
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I know. But I like the fact that he has
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had his eyes open. And then even when the right
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asked him about, you know, why did you want to kill Daryl, he
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was like, because he killed my brother.
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And he starts explaining about all these people that he tried
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to protect and how they're dead now.
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And you see him, he's like, you know, everything that I've done
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up to this point, Like, what has it been for?
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And you start to see that change.
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And he, he does ask Laurent for forgiveness.
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And Laurent was like, I already forgave you.
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Yeah, 'cause if he didn't, you would've been dead as soon as
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you came through that door. Cause Falou and everybody else
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was like. What you doing ready?
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They, they was Laurent saved him.
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He was like, yeah, he saved our lives.
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He saved all of us. He, he, they, the soldiers had
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us. They were about to kill us.
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And he, he let us go. He killed them and let us go.
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They was flu was red. What what, what what the fuck
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are you doing here? And you know, you're gonna talk
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about all these places to keep him, say everybody know where
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everybody. And and not only that, even in
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the course of this episode, you keep taking him back to and and
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which is I guess understandable because Darrell don't know any
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other places. Isabel is not with him, but you
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literally took him back to where they were looking for him.
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And then you took him back to the Demi Mon when Lozanne, you
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know, infiltrated the Sanctuary. Yeah.
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How did you expect them not to come looking for him there?
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But again, Daryl really didn't have any other.
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Like, what was he going to do, take him back to Isabel's
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apartment? I mean, that probably could have
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worked. Yeah.
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But it really wouldn't have helped them in a long time.
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Yeah. I mean, he could have gone back,
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maybe gotten some of her drugs. Yeah, the amount of he's
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someplace safe, he in one or two places that why I said not
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giggle my ass while he's somewhere insane and.
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I'm going to put I'm look, I'm going to put on my I told you so
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hat even though Michelle is not here, Did I not tell you that
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Marie or Anne or whatever her name is?
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Did I not tell you she was going to be in charge of the club?
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Did I not say that? I said she was going to take
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over. She was going to be the one
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running things once Quinn was there.
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But the interesting thing with her is so we got to see a little
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bit of how Quinn runs the club while, you know, while he was
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alive. And then you see a little bit of
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how she runs it. And I think, I think the
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interesting thing about it is even though Quinn turned out, I
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won't even say he was a bad guy, he just had like shady
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intentions. But when it came to the people
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in his club, he didn't treat them with any disrespect or he
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didn't treat them like minions or peons.
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She on the other hand, she's very nasty to them.
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She's very much like, I was like, oh, is this what we doing?
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Like when she was talking to, what's his name, Tito, and she
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told him to put the gas, give Darryl the 50, what was it, 50
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gallons of gas he needed? And Tito was like, I don't think
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we have enough gas ethanol to be given away from free for free,
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she said. That sounds to me like you just
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tried to have an opinion. Did I ask you?
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And then she was like quickly hurry faster.
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When he was walking away, he was looking at the other dude like
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this bitch. I was like, she's going to have,
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she's going to have some issues in a minute.
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Because you can't look, you can't go from the bottom to the
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top and then treat the other people who were at the bottom
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with you like shit. Yeah, they gonna hate your ass.
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Because I'm sure maybe some of them did when when Quinn was
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alive and she was the girlfriend, because sometimes
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they do that. But I'm pretty sure most of them
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didn't treat her that way because she was the boss's
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girlfriend, right? So for you to turn around and
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treat these people like that, ma'am, like the, like the guy
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with the mask and the dog collar who was one of I guess he was
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one of Quinn's people who didn't want to acquiesce to her being
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the the leader. And she was like, oh, I got
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something for your ass. Not not.
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You got a Madam who lead you around on the chain.
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But the Madam didn't even look like she was enjoying that
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because when Marie said something nasty to him, she was
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looking at her like like how dare you.
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I don't know if maybe that was because Marie was talking like
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that to her sub or what, but she wasn't even feeling Marie.
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Going on over there. Huh, I said.
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They got tiki shit going on over there.
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Well, I mean, they what? Darrell and Carol walked in and
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the ladies are sitting there like, you want to come with me?
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Oh, you don't want? OK, what about you?
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And Carol's just sitting there like so fuck.
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Because you got to think if she. When you see she trying to steal
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her damn knife. Carol was like bitch, I will cut
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you. I.
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Said no. She was looking at her like
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bitch. I will cut.
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You with this same knife, get away from me.
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Get away from me. But you know, she had to be in
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culture shock because one, you're in the middle of a zombie
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apocalypse 12 years into it and you walk in and it's like
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nothing you've ever seen before. Because you can bet when Carol
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was married to Ed, she would have never gone into a place
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like that. He probably wouldn't be even
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allowed her to go to a regular club.
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So you know, she's sitting there looking like.
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Damn hell. What?
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But this is the place you go to, to get to get your stuff done
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and to find out your information.
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And I would say this, I really thought when Los Angeles showed
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up, I thought Marie was going to give them up because Darrell is
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coming in there and he's asking for stuff.
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But he's not really trading. He's not.
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He doesn't have anything to give.
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No 'cause he can ask. No, 'cause they have a
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conversation. And I thought it was more so
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because he felt bad about, like in the beginning, how she was
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with Laurent. For me, it was like I thought it
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was more along the lines of trying to make amends for the
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way she was in the beginning. Yeah, and I and I get that.
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But I mean, even even with that, like she saved them, she let
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them go. So I guess I'm looking at it as
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she really didn't have anything to make up for because she
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allowed them to escape and she didn't tell Quinn.
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No, remember at the end when they got when they were in the
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dungeon or whatever it was. Remember, the Maria is the one
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who. Oh, that's right.
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You're right. You're right.
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I completely forgot about that. Yep.
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Yeah. So, yeah, OK.
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I feel like she was trying to make up for that, yes, that when
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instead of dying, they got captured, Darrell got put in the
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pit and you know, all of these things.
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Yes, you're right. You are so.
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Right, because she was in her feelings because Isabelle showed
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up. So I felt like that was like her
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trying to make up for that bullshit.
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Right. And then you saw she she felt
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kind of bad when she found out Isabelle was dead.
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Yeah, 'cause she was trying to be a little snarky with Cara on
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Who is this? I'm to your other little friend.
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But she did. She was like.
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Yeah, yeah, 'cause why she was jealous of Isabel.
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Oh, actually she was jealous of her so.
00:22:59
Wouldn't you be if you were with your man and his his
00:23:02
ex-girlfriend from 12 years ago who left him out in the middle
00:23:07
of the street during the beginning of the zombie
00:23:09
apocalypse, showed up and all of a sudden he was like, hey girl,
00:23:12
how you doing? Excuse me?
00:23:14
You ain't mad. I'm not you not mad.
00:23:16
She loves you. He was mad.
00:23:20
And showed up and showed up with your child.
00:23:25
That she ain't know nothing about.
00:23:28
Right. So yeah, you're right.
00:23:30
I complete. I bet that slipped my mind that
00:23:33
she was the reason they got caught.
00:23:37
But yeah, I I think it's interesting, too, and I'm glad
00:23:41
that she said this because you know how it was.
00:23:44
I was like, so a plane just shows up out of nowhere and
00:23:47
ain't nobody come looking. Well, yes, they did 'cause she
00:23:50
sent somebody to go look, but we forgot Ash is ready, 'cause when
00:23:55
Carol got ready to walk back in there and she saw the tripwire
00:23:59
and that thing came swinging, I saw he's been taking he he's
00:24:03
been taking lessons from Morgan. OK, That's just like it was in
00:24:09
Morgan's apartment. Yes.
00:24:13
But Ash there, there was what, 2 walkers?
00:24:17
And then there was an actual person who was still alive.
00:24:19
He left that dude in the trap. I was like, oh, that's got to be
00:24:23
painful. That was like, you know me.
00:24:28
Yeah, but he's the one that tells them that, you know, Ash
00:24:32
was like he, he left because again, I, I don't know how many
00:24:37
days it's been. I don't think he's been a full 2
00:24:39
weeks, but probably when people started coming and looking for
00:24:43
Ash, he probably was like, OK, you know what, let me go find
00:24:47
his gas because he won't be able to actually make it if he
00:24:51
doesn't have the supplies. And if people are coming to look
00:24:54
for him, he's got a limited window, Barry, limited window.
00:25:01
But somehow he found his way to Mazon Mayor.
00:25:05
He was running from the he was running from the walkers, got
00:25:08
himself into a car and try to your face.
00:25:16
He was pushing himself to get out, but where was he going?
00:25:19
I don't think he was pushing himself to get out.
00:25:21
I think he was trying to push the Walker off the car.
00:25:25
But what happened was another Walker bumped into that Walker.
00:25:29
So when the car door came back, it came back with more force and
00:25:34
he ends up knocking himself out. I was like, you know what?
00:25:41
But it's interesting because if they were back home, most of
00:25:46
those walkers would have crashed through that window by now.
00:25:49
Ash was in there for a good little while, so I don't know
00:25:53
how. About this because normally when
00:25:57
they do that, after a while after there's nothing, they move
00:26:05
on. Remember when goddamn glam was
00:26:07
under the goddamn trash can and all the walkers was in that
00:26:12
corner? But eventually.
00:26:14
But you know what? But but they had a meal sitting
00:26:17
right next to him too, so they they were a little distracted.
00:26:22
But even after that and after that they, they idled for a
00:26:28
little bit and you know, they moved on 'cause if Ash was in
00:26:33
there, they say he was in there for two days.
00:26:35
The marker's still trying to get you from 2 days.
00:26:38
Yeah, but you know what? They probably could tell he was
00:26:41
alive because if he knocked himself out, OK, he might be out
00:26:45
for a while. Then once he comes too, he's
00:26:48
probably looking up, looking around, trying to figure out
00:26:51
what's going on. They realize there's movement.
00:26:55
But by the time they got to the car, he was still kind of out of
00:26:58
it. He wasn't sitting there waiting
00:27:00
like, oh, you guys can't. No, no, no, that's what I'm
00:27:02
saying. He was probably in and out, in
00:27:03
and out. Because also if you think about
00:27:05
it, we don't know how long he had been out in the streets
00:27:08
before he got to Maison Mayor and got in the car.
00:27:11
We don't know if he had supplies with him because he didn't have
00:27:14
a bag when he got in in the car. He said he was in the car for
00:27:18
two days. Now you in the car for two days.
00:27:21
You don't have any food, you don't have anything to drink.
00:27:24
You don't knock yourself in the head.
00:27:27
So he had to have been in and out for the most part, because
00:27:32
also, let's be honest, you in a car for two days, you ain't went
00:27:36
to the bathroom. You ain't nothing.
00:27:39
You had to have been dried out like dehydrated, no food,
00:27:43
nothing on your stomach, like there was nothing for your body
00:27:46
to produce. I'm just saying I'm being
00:27:48
realistic. I'm being realistic.
00:27:51
You know, most people, most people don't think about that
00:27:54
stuff when they're watching zombie apocalypse shows.
00:27:56
But you gotta wonder, like, there, there's certain, yeah,
00:28:01
there's certain bodily functions that we have to take care of.
00:28:04
If you're stuck in a car for two days, you either took care of
00:28:07
those functions and Daryl and Carol just didn't say nothing
00:28:10
when they got in the car or there was nothing in your
00:28:14
system. So, yeah, but when I say I was
00:28:23
tripping because I was like, you hit yourself that hard that you
00:28:26
just knocked out. But I mean, even even if he was
00:28:30
up and awake and alert, what is he gonna do?
00:28:33
He's not used to fighting a horde like that.
00:28:36
You saw Darrell and Carol once they came in and realized that
00:28:39
someone was in the car, they had their plan.
00:28:42
This is what I was saying at the beginning of the episode.
00:28:44
They were In Sync again. They were like, oh, we we got
00:28:47
this. Let's go see what's in this car,
00:28:48
OK? I got these people.
00:28:50
You got those Bam bam bam bam bam.
00:28:53
They make their way in the car. The moment Daryl says something,
00:28:57
Ash is looking at him like who the fuck is this?
00:29:01
This ain't Sophia, but this is the man that just saved your
00:29:05
life because they find some of the serum darts in the car, girl
00:29:12
like OK, so he was like, does the car.
00:29:14
Work. I don't know how this.
00:29:17
Works. Does the car work?
00:29:18
Yes. The battery comes on, but it the
00:29:21
engine won't turn over. OK, we just need to roll down or
00:29:24
roll up the window because there just happened to be a sunroof in
00:29:27
the car. When they start opening that
00:29:29
sunroof, I was like yeah I do realize some of these walkers
00:29:32
can climb, right? But I was like OK whatever.
00:29:36
Derek when he comes out of there and he shoots 2 of the walkers
00:29:42
with the serum, I was like what the fuck is he about to do?
00:29:46
I knew what he was doing because I was because remember from the
00:29:50
battle when they shot 1 he don't be line for the other ones.
00:29:56
But I was not, I was not expecting because the way that
00:30:00
it looks from inside the car, because you start, you start
00:30:04
hearing the, the heads pop or whatever and you start seeing
00:30:09
the blood. It was almost like a chain
00:30:13
reaction. And I was like, what did he do?
00:30:16
Like it didn't seem like the two walkers were coming and
00:30:21
attacking the walkers like that. It just seemed like oh boom,
00:30:26
boom, boom, boom, boom. Like OK, So what is this a soon
00:30:30
as he did it. That's what I said, I said.
00:30:32
Oh, he, he, he know that once they have that serum, they're
00:30:38
attacking something. They gonna get something 'cause
00:30:41
remember when the other one attacked them?
00:30:44
Darryl was standing still. The other Walker was moving, so
00:30:48
he was like, Oh yeah, let me get this.
00:30:51
And he wouldn't attack the other Walker.
00:30:52
Yeah. What I didn't get, cause at that
00:30:56
point y'all sitting in the car, they looking around here, why
00:31:00
did things come through that wonder?
00:31:01
I said oh y'all knew something was in there?
00:31:04
Huh. Again, because they end up
00:31:06
looking and they were jerking, so the car was probably moving a
00:31:10
little bit. But those walkers probably also
00:31:14
have, they may have an enhanced sense of smell because, you
00:31:18
know, they smell blood and ash. He still had an open cut on his
00:31:22
head. They could have smelled that or
00:31:25
they could have just been like, oh, we smell body odor.
00:31:28
We smell sweat. We smell, you know, maybe not
00:31:33
the pee, but I mean you got 2 fresh bodies in here in addition
00:31:37
to the one that's been sitting there.
00:31:40
So you got lots of stuff that could have been drawing those
00:31:44
two walkers. But when that one got in the
00:31:46
car, I was like, again, y'all playing too much, y'all making
00:31:50
things a little too close, y'all making a little but you.
00:31:54
Did what I did enjoy was that nice panorama they did in the
00:31:58
car. So oh that's so dope.
00:32:02
I mean your space is this, this is big but we bought to get
00:32:05
y'all 360 right quick. Right, exactly.
00:32:09
I like that. So they they do get Ash out,
00:32:12
they do make their way back to the plane.
00:32:16
And this is when they're Daryl and Carol have a conversation.
00:32:20
They're like, OK, so we need gas.
00:32:21
And this is what we need to do. Now, in the midst of all of
00:32:25
this, once when Daryl and Carol were on their way to find Ash in
00:32:29
the first place, Carol had to tell him, OK, so yeah, I kind of
00:32:33
had to lie to him to get him here.
00:32:36
And then later on in the episode, Darrell was like, OK,
00:32:40
So what was the lie that you told him?
00:32:42
Oh, I kind of told him I was looking for my daughter.
00:32:46
And Darrell was like. So.
00:32:49
Forbid Where did that come from? Yeah.
00:32:55
And I, I kind of felt bad for her when she was feeling bad
00:32:59
about it because again, Ash almost died.
00:33:02
He could've died if they had not gotten to him, he would've died.
00:33:05
She would've been upset. She would've felt guilty.
00:33:09
Just like 'cause you know her and Darrell, they carry guilt
00:33:12
trips like nobody else. Sarah.
00:33:19
But also she could. Like she knows she could've just
00:33:24
told him the truth from the beginning.
00:33:25
He probably wouldn't have brought her, but he probably
00:33:28
would have. You never know, because just
00:33:31
like he told her before she confessed to him about lying, he
00:33:35
was like, you know why you were gone for those days.
00:33:38
I was really thinking that this helped me, you know, it helped
00:33:42
me get over my my guilt about my son.
00:33:45
It helped me get out of the house.
00:33:48
He was like, yeah, this, this real, this trip really helped
00:33:51
me. Thank you.
00:33:51
And she was feeling so bad. I'm so sorry.
00:33:54
Sorry for what? Sorry about everything I said,
00:33:57
Carol. This is the point where I would
00:34:00
have been like, OK, he just said that this helped him.
00:34:03
You don't need to tell him anything else.
00:34:05
You don't need to be honest with him, 'cause I mean, yeah, at
00:34:08
this point. But I get what she didn't,
00:34:11
though. I do too.
00:34:12
But this is one of the times where I'm like, you know what?
00:34:14
Little white lies not gonna hurt.
00:34:17
It's not gonna hurt because you get him mad.
00:34:22
He might be like, you know what? Fuck you and your friend.
00:34:26
I'm getting in my plane, I'm taking off.
00:34:28
Now granted, he's not going to go anywhere far 'cause he
00:34:31
doesn't have that much gas and you don't want to stop back in
00:34:34
Greenland. Although I will say this, he
00:34:38
could go back to Greenland. If they have fuel there, he can
00:34:43
use the fuel because who's going to stop him?
00:34:46
Nobody. They're both dead except, well,
00:34:49
Hannah. Hannah's Walker's probably
00:34:51
walking around there 'cause she got, you know, he put the, the
00:34:57
flare in her neck. Her brain wasn't damaged, so
00:35:01
she's probably walking around there.
00:35:02
But what's she going to do, right?
00:35:05
Yeah, I I understand her talent and I'm kind of glad she did
00:35:10
because I think one of the things I like seeing in this
00:35:14
episode, you do see a little bit of an evolution with Carol.
00:35:19
Because again, we're so used to the group when they're first
00:35:24
meeting people, them being very suspicious, not really wanting
00:35:29
to get to know people or getting to know people to use them.
00:35:34
And then, you know, something happens just like, OK, whatever.
00:35:37
But you don't see that with her because even when Daryl is
00:35:40
asking him her about him, she he's like, so, So what, You like
00:35:45
him? She was like, yeah, you got a
00:35:47
crush on him or something like that.
00:35:49
And she was like, no, but I do like him.
00:35:51
He's nice, you know, So I was like, oh, OK, Carol's making
00:35:56
friends. That's not within the group,
00:35:58
which is cool because you got to have friends, especially when
00:36:03
you're far away from home, you got to have people that's going
00:36:05
to help you out. And you can't do that if you're
00:36:07
being a bitch, and you can't do that if you're lying all the
00:36:10
time. Like I think she's walking that
00:36:13
very tight line. I mean, but at some point, in
00:36:20
the nicest way, at some point that should get old and you get
00:36:23
tired of doing it, you know what I mean?
00:36:26
And I we, you know, we've seen breaks with Karen before, you
00:36:31
know, So this time, you know, she didn't have to leave and go
00:36:35
nowhere. You know, she's coming to terms
00:36:37
with things herself. But remember when she left
00:36:40
Alexandria and ended up in Kingdom?
00:36:42
So you know, Carol has her moments where she's just down
00:36:46
right ruthless and then her conscience kicks in.
00:36:50
Yeah, now I can't do it. Yeah.
00:36:54
But I think at this point, it looks like she's probably come
00:36:59
to terms with that part of, of of everything.
00:37:04
Also a lot of it has to do with her coming to terms with
00:37:08
Sophia's death. Like it it, it hasn't been even
00:37:12
in the main show. It was dealt with a little bit,
00:37:16
but you know, there's long term effects of something like that.
00:37:19
And her PTSD and all of this other stuff is now coming
00:37:24
basically to a head because she's having so many issues with
00:37:28
Barnes and seeing little kids. And because like even this one,
00:37:32
when she was in the in there, you know, the new little
00:37:35
sanctuary, there was a kid standing at the garden.
00:37:38
She saw Sophia. So it's like she is she has to
00:37:44
resolve all of the issues, including the lies about Sophia
00:37:48
so that she can basically let that piece of it kind of go.
00:37:52
You know, she still has work to do, but it's these little things
00:37:56
that are going to be like, OK, yeah, let me, you know, resolve
00:38:02
everything that I have to resolve with my daughter and her
00:38:05
memory and all of this so I can move the fuck on.
00:38:09
Yeah, and I thought, really? Really.
00:38:12
Move on. Yeah, so I can get.
00:38:14
Past it anyway. Yeah, and I think I heard trying
00:38:19
to think. I think I may have heard someone
00:38:20
talk about or I saw it in an article where they were talking
00:38:23
about one of the reasons why it may also be hidden.
00:38:26
Carol is because even though, you know, she made-up this story
00:38:30
to tell Ash about her daughter being stuck in France and she's
00:38:33
been over there for 12 years or whatever.
00:38:36
And one of the things that it may be doing is triggering
00:38:39
Carol. Because in order for her to make
00:38:42
up that lie, she's having to imagine her daughter grown.
00:38:48
And this is something that she, of course, hasn't experienced
00:38:52
because, again, Sophia was so young when she died.
00:38:56
And maybe that's just the thing that's making her kind of, you
00:39:00
know, wig out about it because she's just like, I didn't get to
00:39:06
experience this. And now she's like, she's
00:39:09
reliving everything over and over again, You know, just like
00:39:12
we were talking about Daryl feeling guilty about Isabelle
00:39:17
and what happened to her. And she feels like he let
00:39:20
Laurent down and, you know. Oh, yeah.
00:39:22
Well, you know, I'm. Laurent doesn't want to come
00:39:24
back to America because I'm here.
00:39:26
She's not. She could be angry, that sort of
00:39:29
thing. Carol could be feeling the same
00:39:31
way, too. Because you have to think that
00:39:35
even though we never really, again, it was never really
00:39:39
explored, but you have to think that Carol on some level feels a
00:39:43
little guilt about Sophia's death, even though it it really
00:39:48
wasn't her fault. You know, if you think about the
00:39:51
circumstances that led to Sophia's death, first of all,
00:39:54
they're in the middle of the street around all these
00:39:56
abandoned cars, and you get a herd come through.
00:39:59
This is the first time they really had to deal with a herd
00:40:03
in that sense, aside from when they were in the campsite.
00:40:08
You're separated from your daughter.
00:40:10
She's under a car. You're under a car.
00:40:12
The whole reason Sofia bolted was again, one of these quote UN
00:40:16
quote variant walkers got down on the ground and tried to grab
00:40:21
her from up under the car. Same thing they did to LeBron.
00:40:24
She takes off, Rick takes off after her and he's trying to
00:40:29
keep her safe by luring the walkers away.
00:40:33
And I, we never know what happened with Sophia.
00:40:38
We don't know if she just decided to go on her own.
00:40:42
We don't know if something came after her and it scared her.
00:40:45
We we don't know what happened to her.
00:40:49
So you got to think Carol does feel guilt about that.
00:40:54
And then again, we never really deal with that.
00:40:58
You know that there's a small little argument between her and
00:41:01
Rick where she kind of lashes out at Rick for leaving her, for
00:41:06
leaving Sophia. But other than that, again, I
00:41:09
don't think she's ever really properly dealt with.
00:41:12
Because because again, y'all been from here to here to here
00:41:17
and y'all, we're dealing with this threat, this threat, trying
00:41:20
to find food, trying to find a place to stay, being out on the
00:41:23
road. When, when would she have had
00:41:27
time to properly mourn her? Even when they were in the
00:41:31
prison? You're surrounded by all these
00:41:33
people. You don't really want to grieve
00:41:36
like that in front of all these people, especially the newer
00:41:39
people, the people that you just met, whatever you're trying to
00:41:42
set an example for the other younger people to say, hey, I'm
00:41:47
going to teach you how to protect yourself so that you
00:41:50
don't get killed. And all the while, in her mind,
00:41:54
she's thinking about her daughter.
00:41:55
But again, she still doesn't have a chance to deal with it.
00:41:59
So I do like to see that that we see her kind of sort of, I
00:42:06
don't, I don't even want to say she's dealing with it now, but
00:42:10
it's there in the forefront and she knows that it's there.
00:42:13
Even when she's talking to Darren.
00:42:14
She was like, I don't even know why I brought Sophia up, but it
00:42:17
was just, it was just the one thing.
00:42:19
And then, you know, you think about Lizzie and you think about
00:42:22
Henry and you know, this guy had a kid that he lost and it's just
00:42:27
all of these things like now it's right there in her face.
00:42:30
So she's got to confront it. And then you have this other
00:42:33
child, Laurent, that Daryl is now trying to save.
00:42:36
And you've seen this before. You've seen Daryl try to try to
00:42:39
save a child before. So you know how he's going to
00:42:42
react in this situation. And so you got to deal with that
00:42:45
too, you know, because, you know, they do find the right.
00:42:50
This is a child he was looking for and has actually been able
00:42:52
to save so far. We don't know what's going to
00:42:55
happen after that, but it's just it's a lot.
00:43:02
It's a lot that they both have to deal with.
00:43:04
Yeah, they will. They got no choice.
00:43:09
None. I like how dad was like.
00:43:12
So would you tell this guy I was your brother?
00:43:16
She shouldn't. He would have believed it.
00:43:18
He was like. No, not that I was like OK, here
00:43:22
y'all go pushing that little, pushing that little envelope
00:43:25
again, but. Nobody believes that they want
00:43:30
to be with each other on that level.
00:43:32
No, nobody. Nobody people do.
00:43:35
But we, we don't. Not we people.
00:43:39
I just, I just don't see it, but it's it's.
00:43:43
OK at all. Like even when they found each
00:43:47
other that hug was like Oh my God my best friend is here.
00:43:51
That didn't give me all the love of my life came to save me.
00:43:54
I told you it was the exact same hug as it was outside of
00:43:59
Terminus. Yeah, facially special
00:44:03
everything. Yes, nothing.
00:44:06
Nothing in me sees them romantical.
00:44:11
No. Nowhere.
00:44:13
No stop. Stop trying maybe?
00:44:16
Go, right, OK, let's talk about this fight, 'cause when I say
00:44:27
when Marie hit them, and I'm talking about Daryl and Codrone
00:44:34
and Laurent because Losang shows up at the Demi Mon, first of
00:44:40
all. Well, saying what you know about
00:44:41
the Demi Mon you've been at, you've been at Mont Saint
00:44:45
Michelle forever. None of these places are secret.
00:44:51
None. They may as well have a sign
00:44:54
with like the Flash and Beetle with you sign, they may as well
00:44:56
have a sign out front. None of your places are secret.
00:45:00
Right. At this point, and remember
00:45:03
Janae walked up in there like don't nobody care.
00:45:06
But see, Janae knew about it because she had an agreement
00:45:11
with Quinn. True.
00:45:12
She was trading stuff with him, trading information, trading
00:45:16
secrets, trading art, all this other stuff.
00:45:19
Because where would where would he have gotten the art?
00:45:22
He would have gotten the art from her because we found out
00:45:25
that she used to work for the Louvre, so she had all the good
00:45:29
stuff. True.
00:45:32
True Lo sang being there is a little more weird because 1 he
00:45:37
is a more religious figure 2. We never really get indication
00:45:43
that he like we know that he traveled to the Abbey What did
00:45:48
he say? He visited one time to to check
00:45:51
out La Ron and to test La Ron, which how do you do that?
00:45:56
But I mean, what kind of test is there for?
00:46:00
Oh yes, once he gets of age, he'll be viable enough for us to
00:46:03
let a a Walker bite him. And but like, how do you
00:46:07
determine that? Hopefully he.
00:46:10
Won't die, huh? Because he and hopefully he
00:46:12
won't die 'cause he the one. Right.
00:46:15
But when they go into the catacombs and they get ready to
00:46:21
fight and they start, you know, splitting up because Darrell and
00:46:24
Quadrone. Well, OK, first of all, Darrell
00:46:27
was like, let's split up. You really gonna split up from
00:46:31
the child? You gonna split up from the
00:46:33
child? When he stuck him in that, he
00:46:38
stuck him in that little tomb. Did you see that?
00:46:41
The name on the tomb said Laurent as well, I think.
00:46:45
Oh, I think you said Laurent or Lawrence or something like that.
00:46:49
So I was like, oh, OK, you just go.
00:46:52
You just go make it easy for them to find them.
00:46:56
You go put the neon sign out and say, hey, he's right here.
00:47:01
Look at her but. Luckily, they didn't.
00:47:04
They didn't pay attention to it. They walked right past Laurent
00:47:07
and you have these fights. So going back to what you were
00:47:11
saying earlier, Daryl ends up fighting Los Sang, Cordrone ends
00:47:15
up fighting Jacinta. Cordrone should have double
00:47:21
tapped because though the the I can't even think of the word,
00:47:30
the fervor with which Jacinta is on Los Sangs coattails.
00:47:37
Just like I think she's even more fanatical than he is
00:47:42
because again, she's been the one that's been kind of pushing
00:47:45
him this whole time. Hey, yes, we need to do this.
00:47:50
Yes, you need to keep on. I was trying.
00:47:53
To kill Darrell. Off So yeah, 'cause John, when
00:47:56
he threw her into that wall, I knew for sure I was like, OK,
00:48:00
he's going to kill her. You have one job.
00:48:05
One job, one no. It's not taking these jobs
00:48:10
seriously enough. Y'all need to kill these folks.
00:48:16
And I don't know if he has the same hiccup that I think Darrell
00:48:19
has. I don't know if it's just, oh,
00:48:21
she's a woman. I'm not.
00:48:22
That woman was kicking your ass, beating.
00:48:25
You need to kill her because other than that, she's gonna
00:48:32
come back stronger. And you see at the end, you saw
00:48:34
her hand move a little bit and you heard her.
00:48:38
I was like, oh, she's not a Walker, she's alive.
00:48:41
Like you didn't throw her hard enough at all.
00:48:46
But also her sister is a bit solid get.
00:48:49
Away what? What's that?
00:48:52
She she a bit solid though, 'cause 'cause when I say she was
00:48:55
tried trading those blows with him, I was like, oh, OK, yeah,
00:49:02
she's like, I I don't know if she was ever military, but yeah,
00:49:08
she is. She is trading blows with him
00:49:10
and she is holding her own. He should have killed them.
00:49:15
But she you, she had some point, had to have been a fighter.
00:49:19
But for everybody who run around them don't want to run violent,
00:49:22
you also fight us. Y'all gonna defend yourself?
00:49:27
I. Told you the reason they don't
00:49:29
want him being violent or learning to defend himself was
00:49:34
because they didn't want him putting up a fight when they got
00:49:37
ready to feed him to the walkers.
00:49:42
What I'm just saying. I don't know.
00:49:46
I know the low sang and Daryl so I will say this.
00:49:53
If Daryl had his crossbow, that would have been short work.
00:49:59
Yeah, absolutely. But Daryl without a weapon or
00:50:03
without his weapons of choice, because I think he still had his
00:50:06
morning star. But when you got a toothpick,
00:50:10
you got a little bit further reach than the morning star that
00:50:15
both staff because Daryl, I will say this too, and I I think
00:50:21
we've talked about this on the main show.
00:50:24
Daryl gets his ass beat a lot. For somebody to be as tough, he
00:50:29
gets his ass beat a lot. He'd be irritating my damn soul.
00:50:33
Like Sir, get a licky and like. Right.
00:50:36
And I was really scared that during the course of that fight,
00:50:40
because Los Angeles whooping his ass so bad, they showed Laurent
00:50:45
still hiding. I said if this boy, I said if he
00:50:48
comes out of this thing and tries to go help.
00:50:51
I really was scared. I was like, oh, he.
00:50:53
Ain't he Can't sit the fuck down.
00:50:55
OK, but that's what was scaring me because and and I know we
00:50:59
talked about this in the last episode and and Michelle was
00:51:02
like, they're not going to kill La Ron.
00:51:04
They're not going to kill the child.
00:51:05
It wouldn't be any point. I was scared of it this episode
00:51:09
because when they showed La Ron still hiding and then they
00:51:13
showed Lo Sang and Daryl fighting and Daryl was on the
00:51:17
ground. I thought it was about to be one
00:51:20
of those things where Laurent comes up behind those saying he
00:51:24
tries to do something, those saying moves with the bow,
00:51:27
accidentally stabs him. And I I really thought that's
00:51:31
how this was about to go down. And so I'm sitting here watching
00:51:35
the show like this, like Laurent, don't you move.
00:51:38
Laurent, don't you move. Laurent, don't you move.
00:51:41
But. If you do move, you need a
00:51:43
whooping. Thankfully, he didn't need a
00:51:48
whooping in this episode because he stayed right there and
00:51:51
sneaked. Back against the wall when he
00:51:54
saw the lights coming. You better be smart.
00:51:57
Because I really thought they were going to find him.
00:52:00
I did too. Especially because they had the
00:52:02
flashlights. Because here's my thing.
00:52:05
And again, apparently don't. Look good though, because.
00:52:09
That's what I say. We're going to talk about these
00:52:11
dumb ass guards again because if you're walking in a crit in the
00:52:16
catacombs and you see a a crypt with a partial door, like the
00:52:23
door wasn't even on the bottom part so there is a space there.
00:52:27
What dummy? Why?
00:52:30
Wouldn't you Not gonna look. Yes, one of these like you.
00:52:35
Literally did this. Put the flashlight over the
00:52:39
opening but you don't look. I was like PSP part so dumb.
00:52:46
He wouldn't stash him. That would.
00:52:49
That would have been my thought. He ain't gonna stash him
00:52:51
nowhere. Let me follow the footprints.
00:52:54
That would have been my thought. But that too.
00:52:57
That too. Like, come on, people.
00:53:01
I, I what? What?
00:53:06
Yes. We're gonna are we gonna have
00:53:09
conversations about dumb guards and dumb security for for the
00:53:15
rest of the spin off series. If they come out with five more
00:53:18
spin off series, there's going to be dumb guards and dumb
00:53:21
soldiers in each one of them. Yes, I just.
00:53:25
Rewound it back and the tombstone says Legis Laurent.
00:53:33
So duh. Like duh, like I said, right?
00:53:38
A big different hashing sign look in here.
00:53:43
So with someone hiding in here like the the boy's name is
00:53:48
literally on the tune that's open because the the the door,
00:53:54
the covering is parked. One little 1 little plane. 1
00:54:00
little plane. Like something didn't catch in
00:54:02
your peripheral that oh, that's an open space.
00:54:06
Oh, look, there's footprints here.
00:54:08
Oh look, there's two pairs of footprints, one went this way,
00:54:12
one with that, like interesting. But you know what if y'all too
00:54:19
dumb to look, we are the only ones who think logically.
00:54:22
And if y'all are too dumb to think then y'all deserved
00:54:26
exactly what y'all got cause control took y'all ass out
00:54:29
quick. Girl didn't.
00:54:31
He like OK, and he only had Daryl only had loose sang.
00:54:39
I guess loose sang was like I don't need no backup I got.
00:54:42
This he thought he didn't need no backup.
00:54:44
But I'm so glad when I say this. I'm so glad Daryl didn't
00:54:47
hesitate with this one because as soon as loose Sang was on the
00:54:50
ground, he picked up that score and bashed me.
00:54:52
He was like he going to make sure that low Sang don't get his
00:54:56
ass up. He was like I'm tired of running
00:54:58
from y'all motherfuckers. I've been running ever since I
00:55:00
set foot in France. I'm tired, let me kill you and
00:55:05
be done with it because now Janae is dead.
00:55:08
Los Angeles dead. Who is there that's left?
00:55:11
Of course Jacinta, because her drone didn't double tap.
00:55:15
And why wouldn't? He Why?
00:55:20
Just why? I mean, it's, it's possible he
00:55:23
may not. Well, now I was gonna say it's
00:55:27
possible he didn't have the strength to throw her into the
00:55:30
wall that hard enough to kill her.
00:55:33
But you got all the skulls. I mean, one of the guards, one
00:55:36
of the guards shot up and and all these skulls started falling
00:55:40
like you got. Weapons I mean you could have
00:55:42
kicked them, nudge them with your foot like something to make
00:55:48
sure she was dead. Like not even saying you had to
00:55:50
stomp with the devil. Hell, nudge them with your foot,
00:55:53
see if she move a little. Bit no.
00:55:55
At this point you need to stop her.
00:55:58
I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
00:56:01
I know, I mean, I mean, in real life I probably wouldn't be
00:56:05
saying that because, you know, that's just kind of but but in
00:56:09
in this you coming after this child and you trying to kill
00:56:14
him, you need to be dead, like dead, dead that trick.
00:56:16
Like what's that trick? Like what the what the ass
00:56:23
right? Like this is the one time you're
00:56:26
allowed get them legs in. When somebody is trying to.
00:56:31
Kill you. You kill them first.
00:56:34
It's it. It's OK, especially in this type
00:56:37
of world, because you know, absolutely don't come back.
00:56:41
No one's going to look at you like you killed her.
00:56:45
No, not one person would be sad. That you no, and she's already
00:56:48
in the crypt, so you can just leave her there, it's OK.
00:56:55
Somebody will find her in a few years.
00:56:59
No she's going to go out looking for Laurent cause her ass is
00:57:02
alive 'cause he end up with that she.
00:57:07
Just can't be a sore loser and lick her wounds and go home.
00:57:10
Yeah, no, but now it's like. We already know, just since it
00:57:14
was the mastermind. Yeah, and that's what I was just
00:57:17
about to say. So now instead of her being
00:57:20
behind those saying following him and kind of doing what he
00:57:26
wants and then kind of doing her own thing behind his back, now
00:57:30
she had she's going to have full reign to do whatever she wants.
00:57:35
And you know, she's going to have Marie doing some stuff for
00:57:40
her. Well, I don't, you know what I
00:57:46
don't know because I was going to say most of the people have
00:57:48
sent it and those same came in with their dad.
00:57:51
So 10 speaking, she was a Ringo. Game from it.
00:57:57
Well, she. Is looking for the plane, so she
00:58:02
might be able to use her sensor and whatever resources her
00:58:06
sensor may have to. Find a plane.
00:58:08
Right, to find a plane, because of course they didn't bring all
00:58:10
of their people. There's probably still a few
00:58:13
more guards that she could, you know, round up 'cause I mean,
00:58:18
right now her sense is in her place by herself.
00:58:22
She doesn't have anybody else there with her.
00:58:24
She doesn't have anybody to protect her cause Darren Codrone
00:58:26
killed them all. So I think right now Marie kinda
00:58:30
has the upper hand. She does.
00:58:32
So she can either be like, you can help me find this plan or
00:58:35
she can just kick her out and be like, look, you are disturbing
00:58:37
my business, baby. You are disturbing my business.
00:58:44
My name is Bess. I ain't in this mess.
00:58:48
Get out, take your dead bodies with you, and leave me the fuck
00:58:53
alone. She ain't.
00:58:54
Gonna do that though. She's not, you know, she's not
00:58:58
because of if. If her sensor has any idea of
00:59:03
what the Demi Monde is, then she's going to know there's
00:59:06
weapons there, She's going to know there's fuel there, there's
00:59:10
going to be things there. Say that again, 'cause your,
00:59:14
your audio went out. Oh, I went.
00:59:15
Too far back, I said. She's not gonna wanna take it.
00:59:18
Her ultimate purpose is finding that boy she don't care about.
00:59:20
None of that shit. Oh, I know, but but you, you
00:59:23
have all of these. OK, again, going back to the way
00:59:26
Marie treats her people, you have all of these people that
00:59:31
you have been mistreating. Her sensor can come back and say
00:59:37
hey, I can offer you all a better solution and you might
00:59:41
get to kill a few people with it.
00:59:43
You don't. Think so because Marie is an
00:59:48
overzealous religious person so she don't give a fuck about all
00:59:52
that seeing that they got going on the drinking.
00:59:54
Oh, you mean high sensor? Who did I say?
00:59:57
Marie. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:58
High sensor, don't care about that.
01:00:00
You know she's a overzealous, so she don't.
01:00:03
Her ultimate goal is Laurent. She don't care about what the
01:00:05
hell they. She has never been in a position
01:00:08
to want that that lifestyle. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not saying
01:00:12
she wants that lifestyle, But what I'm saying is she might go
01:00:15
in and she might see all these people who might or might not be
01:00:20
disgruntled with the way Maria's running things.
01:00:23
She might offer them a better, you know, a better option.
01:00:26
Like, hey, so do you guys want to be under her hand and foot,
01:00:32
you know, with her telling you what to do and being
01:00:35
disrespectful and treating y'all like you were on the bottom of a
01:00:38
shoe? Or do you want to go with me and
01:00:40
actually get some power and you may be helping with this
01:00:44
particular cause. Those people, they might
01:00:48
especially because some of those people are Madam Janae's people.
01:00:52
They might be like, OK, yeah, let's go.
01:00:55
And I also think that like a lot of the people who are who did
01:00:58
work for Madam Janay, they were just cared about being safe and
01:01:03
being protected because that's what we saw with when they were
01:01:06
passing out the free food. And they were like, oh, you
01:01:09
know, join us. And you know you can eat like
01:01:11
this all the time, blah blah blah blah.
01:01:13
Blah. But they would be more protected
01:01:15
with high Santa because, I mean, yeah, you at the Demi mind you,
01:01:19
you got the dancers and the girls and the guys and all this
01:01:22
other stuff. But her sense and her crew just
01:01:25
walked up in there and started regulating.
01:01:30
Do you really feel safe there now knowing that they can just
01:01:34
come in at any time and decide, Oh yeah, we're going to, you
01:01:37
know, you have these people who, granted, Daryl is not a part of
01:01:41
the Demi mind, but Daryl was there for safety.
01:01:43
Laurent was there for safety. These people found you came in,
01:01:48
chase them through the catacombs and people die.
01:01:52
Do you really feel safe there? Or do you want to come with me
01:01:56
and we can we can figure this out?
01:01:58
Yeah, I can see that. So because right now if, if they
01:02:03
still have people that at the nest, like we said in the last
01:02:05
episode, they were still using that as a base of operations.
01:02:09
We know they can't go back to Maison Mayor.
01:02:12
So if the Nest is still operational, again, we've talked
01:02:17
about the security of the nest, you really have a perfect place
01:02:23
because you're at you're, you're isolated, but you have all of
01:02:28
this, all of this land in front of you and around you.
01:02:33
So you, you got vantage points, you can see if if, if you're
01:02:39
guarding it properly, then you shouldn't have any surprises.
01:02:43
Where's the demon mind? Everybody and their Mama just
01:02:45
coming up through that. You you coming through the front
01:02:48
door, you coming through the catacombs and.
01:02:50
These plan has security. Right, right.
01:02:54
Daryl came in through the train, the train tracks, so not really
01:03:01
that secure. So yeah, her sister could come
01:03:05
back and be like OK, y'all can need to stay here and something
01:03:08
might happen. You know, I might go put a bug
01:03:10
in somebody else's ear and your competitors can come in and and
01:03:14
wipe you out. Or y'all could just go with me
01:03:16
and help me do this thing and be OK.
01:03:20
She good you know she's you know she's motivated now because they
01:03:26
didn't kill the same she's motivated now she's like oh oh
01:03:30
y'all about to die you mean my man, my man right so she's got
01:03:36
motivation now let me go find this little boy let me do what I
01:03:40
need to do and let me kill this let me kill this irritating
01:03:44
American his irritating American friend he's.
01:03:48
Really not going to be that easy.
01:03:49
No. He thinks he's going to be
01:03:52
there. No, because again, all your
01:03:55
people are dead. Losang is dead.
01:03:59
And that was your main. Right, y'all been trying to kill
01:04:03
this man for how how long and he keeps fucking your shit up.
01:04:07
Leave that man alone. Leave that man alone.
01:04:10
We said it, leave him alone. This ain't what you want, this
01:04:15
ain't what you want. But we'll see how that goes.
01:04:21
The next episode is the last episode for season 2.
01:04:24
We still got to figure out how the hell they're getting to
01:04:28
Spain Yes, I must say it. Like I said before, I don't
01:04:32
think all of them can fit on the plane.
01:04:34
So either somebody's dying or somebody's staying behind.
01:04:40
It's. It's got to be to me, if it's if
01:04:43
someone has to be left behind, it's going to be an argument
01:04:48
between Carol and Darrell and who that is, of course, of
01:04:51
course it. Would make more sense for Daryl
01:04:55
to stay behind because he's at least somewhat familiar with
01:04:58
where everything is. But Carol's not going.
01:05:01
She ain't going to let that happen that easy.
01:05:03
Told me like, I came all the way over here to rescue you, get
01:05:07
your ass on the plane, I will figure this out.
01:05:10
And Daryl's going to be like, 'cause you don't, you don't know
01:05:13
the players in this town, you don't know where things are, you
01:05:16
don't know what's dangerous, you don't know what isn't.
01:05:18
Cause Daryl walks across the country so he at least has some
01:05:22
idea. And push come to shove, if he
01:05:26
has to hold up somewhere, he can go to Isabel's apartment.
01:05:30
Nobody's going to think to look for him there.
01:05:33
Yeah. 'Cause nobody else knows that
01:05:35
apartment. Exists but if Ash and Laurent
01:05:40
make it out with either of them, I think for care if it makes
01:05:48
sense for Darrell to stay. But Carol would send Darrell
01:05:51
because, bitch, I came. All the way over there.
01:05:53
I know they gonna fight about it, absolutely.
01:05:57
To go home. Yeah, and she's gonna want,
01:06:00
she's gonna want him to go home because Laurent, she's gonna be
01:06:04
like, OK, look, you know this boy better.
01:06:09
And who knows if, like, if they have enough gas to get them
01:06:14
where they're going to go. If you think about what Carol
01:06:16
said, Carol didn't say back to Ash's house.
01:06:19
She said she said with what we have, it should be enough to get
01:06:23
us home. She's planning on having Ash
01:06:26
taking them all the way to the Commonwealth, I think.
01:06:30
And if they're going to do that, it would make more sense for
01:06:33
Daryl to be with Laurent. Have some little boy show up.
01:06:38
Right. Well, I mean, you know what
01:06:39
little boy, I don't think they would have a problem with him,
01:06:45
especially if Ash says hey, Carol and Daryl sent me or Carol
01:06:49
or that, you know. Yeah, either name, they'll be
01:06:52
the one. Right.
01:06:53
So I don't think that would be a a issue.
01:06:55
Plus, that'll also give Ash a place to go because he can't
01:06:59
really go back to his place so. At the end of all of this they
01:07:05
going to have to give us a Walking Dead movie to wrap all
01:07:09
the I'm just saying just do a 2 hour movie showing every because
01:07:14
we already know Michonne and Rick is there so.
01:07:16
It's going to be enough. It's it's going to have to be.
01:07:19
Like I'm just saying we have to show Morgan because remember
01:07:23
Morgan said I'm going back. It has to show Morgan Warren
01:07:26
back. It has to show we know Maggie
01:07:28
was a Hilltop, but it has to show Maggie and Megan coming
01:07:32
back. It has to show Daryl, John
01:07:34
Carroll coming back. So it's like all of these
01:07:36
factors. Dwight and Sherry, remember they
01:07:39
went back to Sanctuary. So it's all of these factors.
01:07:43
If they ever decide to wrap up all these, you have to have like
01:07:47
a large wrap up, bring everybody who's still alive the fuck back
01:07:52
and tell us what the fuck happened.
01:07:55
And I think a movie would be better because I think one of
01:07:58
the things about the end of The Walking Dead, like I'm not
01:08:03
saying that they had too many characters and I didn't like it
01:08:06
because I loved all of the characters.
01:08:08
I love the different story arcs. But when you have such a huge
01:08:13
ensemble and you tell good stories to make us care about
01:08:17
all of those characters, the storylines are going to suffer
01:08:21
in some way because you can't devote that much time to 15
01:08:25
different characters and their storylines.
01:08:28
So a movie would be a good way to wrap that up, some kind of
01:08:32
way for them to all come together, even maybe throw in
01:08:36
the, you know, throw in Iris and hope in them and, you know, just
01:08:40
make it kind of together, then go to the world, whatever.
01:08:47
I wouldn't mind that me. But I think the problem with
01:08:51
that would be if they did that, that would be the end of The
01:08:55
Walking Dead universe. And I don't know if I'm ready
01:08:58
for that yet. Like I know a lot of people who
01:09:01
don't really care about the spin offs.
01:09:03
I know a lot of people who are like oh, is The Walking Dead
01:09:06
still on? Like why?
01:09:07
Why are y'all still watching this stuff?
01:09:09
Because I because one thing about The Walking Dead, they do
01:09:13
character stories very well and they make you care about these
01:09:17
characters. Which is why we keep getting
01:09:19
pissed when we keep getting introduced to folks and they die
01:09:22
in the same episode or they die episode later.
01:09:25
Because even with the short amount of time, for the most
01:09:30
part they get it right. Yeah.
01:09:33
So I don't know if I'm quite ready for that, but I, I, there
01:09:37
are things I do want to see. I have.
01:09:39
I need to see Morgan and Rick reunite because there's and.
01:09:45
Rick reunite. And I need to see Darren, Rick,
01:09:47
but like even with the Morgan and Rick, like Morgan and Rick
01:09:50
started this whole thing together as far as like if Rick
01:09:55
wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Morgan.
01:09:58
But there are other things that as hard as it would be, I want
01:10:03
to see how the characters play that out.
01:10:06
I need to see how Morgan reacts when he finds out that Carl is
01:10:10
dead. I need to see how Morgan reacts
01:10:15
when he finds out that Rick was presumed dead and was missing
01:10:20
for however many years. Because you cannot tell me that
01:10:23
if Morgan was still in Alexandria at the time the
01:10:27
bridge blew up, you cannot tell me that he would not have been
01:10:30
with Michelle and Daryl looking for Rick.
01:10:33
Absolutely. So I do want to see the
01:10:36
culmination of those stories. I'm not quite ready to do it
01:10:39
yet. It, it, it, it, it that's the
01:10:44
way it definitely needs to wrap up.
01:10:46
Like they can't just say, oh, this is what I I don't want to
01:10:50
see it as someone telling the story of what happened.
01:10:53
I want to see it right, you know, because the emotion of
01:10:58
Rick and and Morgan getting back together is going to be like, we
01:11:03
don't. Be a mess.
01:11:04
We going to be a mess. This is where it started from.
01:11:07
The three needs to end. Seeing Daryl and and Rick and
01:11:12
Michonne reunite, we going to be a mess.
01:11:15
Even Carol with Rick and Michonne we going to be a mess
01:11:19
because these are the these, especially with Rick, Carroll,
01:11:23
Daryl, they are the only three from the very beginning that's
01:11:27
left. Yeah.
01:11:29
Aside from Morgan, but you know, we always look at Morgan
01:11:31
separately because he wasn't part of the group until later
01:11:35
on. So they got to Alexandria,
01:11:36
right? But Daryl, Carroll, Rick, the
01:11:40
OG's, we have to see some kind of reunion with them.
01:11:44
Have to. So what I need is I need for
01:11:49
Rick to get one of them damn CRM helicopters and I need Daryl and
01:11:54
Carol to, to find a radio somewhere and call home and hear
01:12:00
Rick's voice and be like, dude, come get us right now.
01:12:03
Come get us. I I need to see it.
01:12:08
I need to. I'm gonna call my ass off when I
01:12:11
do. You have to keep in mind Rick
01:12:17
and Michelle will know about the Commonwealth because remember
01:12:19
Judith was at the Commonwealth. Yeah, yeah, you'll.
01:12:22
Know about it so. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
01:12:27
They need to call back. They need to call home Carol and
01:12:31
Daryl and whoever's man in the radio, whether it's Gabriel or
01:12:35
whoever, Eugene, whatever 'cause you know, Eugene hear them.
01:12:40
He gonna go running. Rick.
01:12:45
I'm get us we in France, Rick gonna be like the fuck, but I
01:12:49
thought I went far. No, come get us we in France.
01:12:55
CRM has the ability right? And, and look, and if Ash makes
01:13:01
it there with Laurent, he can tell you exactly where to go.
01:13:06
So yeah, yeah, he he can tell you.
01:13:09
The last place they were seen. Yeah, yeah.
01:13:12
But you know what, like I said again, I would love to see that,
01:13:15
but I'm not quite ready for that yet.
01:13:17
But I guess if if they do something with Morgan, probably
01:13:21
would have to be soon because other than that, MO gonna be 16
01:13:24
by the time yeah, she'll. Be a whole adult.
01:13:26
But like who is this And no. And nobody at nobody knew about
01:13:34
MO other than Dwight and Sherry. Right.
01:13:36
Because that that was way, you know.
01:13:39
Yeah, that was years down the road.
01:13:41
So we'll see. But we've got one episode left
01:13:48
for this season. They are currently in the middle
01:13:52
of filming Season 3 in Madrid. And I think I saw something that
01:13:57
said season 4 might be the end, but I can't, I don't remember.
01:14:02
You know, sometimes you see stuff, people post stuff and
01:14:06
it's not entirely accurate. Let.
01:14:10
Me. Let me hit a little quick
01:14:11
Google. You're gonna check the ghouls.
01:14:18
Let's check the Googles. The Googles see you then.
01:14:24
But yeah, so we have that. Michelle should be back with us
01:14:32
for that episode. She is at a conference today.
01:14:35
She's presenting at a conference today.
01:14:37
So that is why she is not on this particular recording.
01:14:41
But I know she got some stuff to say about this episode, so we'll
01:14:44
get her thoughts about that when we get ready to talk about
01:14:48
Episode 6. OK, what it says is The Walking
01:14:52
Dead, Darrell just the showrunner already has plans for
01:14:55
season 4, so it didn't say. That renewed, but they say they
01:15:00
just have plans for it, OK. And it doesn't say anything
01:15:03
about whether or not that will be the final season, right?
01:15:07
No, OK. They're still saying that
01:15:12
they're giving like previews on season 3 location teasers, like
01:15:17
some stuff about season 3 is coming out.
01:15:19
But I haven't seen anything where it says, yeah, only thing
01:15:25
it says the showrunner confirm story plans for season 4.
01:15:28
OK, they got season. OK.
01:15:33
So we know that there may be a season 4.
01:15:37
And they'll tell them where they're going to be.
01:15:39
And are they still going to call it the book of like for season
01:15:42
3? Are they still going to call it
01:15:43
the Book of Carol or is it going to be something else?
01:15:45
It'll. Be something else.
01:15:47
It has to be the book of best friends.
01:15:53
My buddy. Oh, it can't be going home if
01:15:56
they're going to have a season 4.
01:15:58
I guess they, I guess the real thing to know because if they do
01:16:02
a Season 3 and get cancelled, we're going over the house here.
01:16:09
I'll see you getting cancelled. But I'm just saying.
01:16:12
Right, right. Or they could maybe they can do
01:16:17
something for season 3 to kind of end it just in case like
01:16:23
maybe they'll say OK, we'll we'll this is how we're going to
01:16:25
do it. But if we get renewed, we can do
01:16:29
this like, like maybe they'll, and I know that that's probably
01:16:34
going to cost a lot, but they could always film like an
01:16:39
alternate episode. So you have one episode that
01:16:43
will lead them into season 4 or you have one episode that will
01:16:47
close out the story. Yeah.
01:16:51
So yeah. OK, so we will figure that out,
01:16:57
but yeah, so so let's see. Once Daryl Dixon is over, we
01:17:04
have one more episode. Dead City.
01:17:07
Oh, Dead City. They have been releasing some.
01:17:10
They did release a teaser trailer.
01:17:13
So we do have that. I can't remember if there was a
01:17:15
date other than 2025, but I think the the first season they
01:17:21
released it kind of early in the year, like February, March,
01:17:24
because I think it was right after the Super Bowl.
01:17:28
So maybe within the next few weeks, next month or so, we'll
01:17:31
have a date that we can, you know, it stay in line with this
01:17:37
one ending in the other one picking up.
01:17:40
Yeah. So like a winter hiatus, how
01:17:43
shows do. And then it's going to pick up
01:17:45
in February and we'll have a summer hiatus and this one will
01:17:47
be back. Yeah, 'cause don't be giving us
01:17:49
too much. But they giving us, you know,
01:17:51
they give it, they still giving us content.
01:17:55
You know, they're they're they're spacing it out.
01:17:57
Whereas it seemed like a year. But we have something, you know,
01:18:01
a little bit to feel in the space.
01:18:03
So, yeah. So that I can't wait to see the
01:18:06
finale and see what happened. I know see who playing, see just
01:18:11
what happens to people who are left.
01:18:13
See if anybody dies, because I'm telling you, I at this point
01:18:19
with it being this late, I don't know if I feel like Kadrana's
01:18:25
going to die. Like I said, I, I feel like we
01:18:27
got to have one character, at least one character to carry
01:18:32
over from France to however they're telling the story.
01:18:35
Because we don't even know exactly what the story is from
01:18:39
Madrid. We just know that they're
01:18:40
filming there, but we don't know if the story is actually moving
01:18:44
to Spain. They could be shooting in Spain
01:18:47
and it's going to be a different country.
01:18:49
We don't know that yet, but I feel like they have to have at
01:18:52
least one person to come over, maybe 2.
01:18:56
So my choices would be Falou and Cadrone because her sensor needs
01:19:01
to die. Yeah.
01:19:03
You're not about to chase Laurent for a whole another six
01:19:06
episodes is not about to happen. You need to die.
01:19:09
And then Maria ain't going no damn where.
01:19:13
Nah. 'Cause she in charge of the
01:19:16
club, why would she leave? Yeah, yeah, you.
01:19:20
Know damn where? No, she's the heritage of
01:19:23
George. Yeah.
01:19:25
So who that lead? Yeah, you're right.
01:19:28
For the drone Forloo, you know, the people who are at the
01:19:31
sanctuary, but I mean those are just kind of background people.
01:19:34
Those those people aren't bothering anybody.
01:19:37
They don't have anything to do with the fighting.
01:19:39
So they're all going to be safe. Especially, what's her name, the
01:19:44
black woman, Sonya. Y'all better not touch her.
01:19:47
Don't touch her, don't touch her.
01:19:52
But yeah, 'cause everybody else is gone.
01:19:54
Losane is gone, Janae is gone, so her Santa has to die.
01:20:02
Sabine. But I don't see, I don't see
01:20:06
Sabine caring, caring about Laurent enough to go out of her
01:20:12
way to look for him. Like she might do it while her
01:20:17
Santa is in charge because it's important to her Santa and it's
01:20:20
important to to the face. But let's say something happens
01:20:25
to her Santa. Let's say she dies in the next
01:20:28
episode or whatever. I don't see Sabine chasing after
01:20:33
La Ron. She's she's like, it wasn't, it
01:20:37
was Janae's and Janae is gone. So now she's going to be like,
01:20:40
OK, you know what? I'm about to go over here and
01:20:43
chill. Yeah, look, maybe, maybe let me
01:20:46
go see if Maria give me a job. In the Demi mind she might, but
01:20:50
yeah, I don't. I don't think I see her.
01:20:53
I mean, if anything, she may die as part of ending that
01:20:58
storyline. Like if they go after Laurent,
01:21:01
something happens, shoot out, fight.
01:21:05
But she don't. Aside from being next to Madam
01:21:10
Janae the whole time, she just don't really strike me as the
01:21:15
type that's like, yes, I'm about to give my life because I want
01:21:19
this, I want this boy dead or I want this boy for she just, it
01:21:23
doesn't like you said, it's not her 'cause so yeah, my, my 2
01:21:29
picks could drone and falute mine too.
01:21:34
So, and then those would be good allies for whoever gets left
01:21:38
behind if anybody gets left behind because we keep talking
01:21:41
about, you know, Ash and Laurent and Carol or Ash and Laurent and
01:21:47
Daryl flying away. The airplane might not work.
01:21:50
They might, they might not have enough gas, so the fuel line
01:21:54
might break again or something. So it might be that they have to
01:21:58
travel by foot, all four of them.
01:22:03
So I don't know, I just know that playing ain't big enough to
01:22:08
fit all four of them. So either somebody's getting
01:22:14
left behind or we all staying behind and don't figure it out.
01:22:18
Don't see that y'all can't stay in France.
01:22:21
Y'all need to find a way home. Zipper zipper 'cause when Darryl
01:22:27
was telling the one. When?
01:22:29
Was like, no, you need to go back to your people, that's what
01:22:32
you want. He was like, that's not what I
01:22:34
want anymore, you lying motherfucker.
01:22:36
Don't you sit here and talk about I'm gonna stay in France
01:22:39
when you got a whole Judith and a whole RJ and a whole Connie
01:22:44
and a whole like all your family is in the Commonwealth.
01:22:48
Give me the last song. That's that's not what I want
01:22:52
anymore. You liar.
01:22:54
You just feeling guilty, Especially when Laurent told him
01:22:58
isn't loved you. She told me he started.
01:23:01
He gets ready to start. I was like, yeah, I, I think he
01:23:06
feels guilty because I think he cares about her.
01:23:09
He cared about her, but I don't think he loved her the way she
01:23:12
might have loved him. So get over that.
01:23:15
Mister Dixon. That's going to happen to you
01:23:18
more and more often as, I mean, think about all the people
01:23:22
you've lost already. It's going to happen.
01:23:23
You're in the zombie apocalypse. So anyway, you have any final
01:23:30
thoughts about this episode? I'm glad Levon didn't do
01:23:35
anything that deserved a whooping.
01:23:40
Yeah, 'cause I, I was really scared for him at that one point
01:23:45
in the catacombs, but he actually look, it's, it's like
01:23:49
all of that talking and stuff finally, fucking finally
01:23:54
clicked. But also, I think with the
01:23:58
deaths of Sylvie and Isabel, I think he finally realized, OK,
01:24:05
you know what, these people are really trying to kill me.
01:24:09
So maybe you know. No, after he had to leave the
01:24:12
sanctuary, when they came there looking for him, that's when he
01:24:15
realized come in bed first. He's talking about no, I'm not
01:24:17
going to go bitch, OK? But I mean, I understand why he
01:24:22
didn't want to go, too, because he said everybody who was, you
01:24:26
know, everybody who he loves, who was trying to protect him,
01:24:28
they're all gone now. He didn't want that to fall.
01:24:31
He didn't want that to happen to Daryl.
01:24:33
So I understand, especially coming from a child's
01:24:36
perspective. He was like, look, if this is
01:24:39
the only thing I can do to protect him, then that's what
01:24:42
I'm going to do. Especially because Carol came
01:24:44
all the way over to find him. And I love the fact that when
01:24:48
Cadrone said, yeah, an American woman can't.
01:24:50
I love the fact that Laurent was like, what's her name?
01:24:52
Carol? He was like, I know you can't
01:24:54
even find him. So, yeah, come in.
01:24:58
He's like, oh you, Carol. You, Carol?
01:25:00
Yes. I've been praying for you and RJ
01:25:02
and Judith and Ezekiel. Yeah.
01:25:05
So Daryl's been telling him about home.
01:25:08
So, yeah, don't sit here and lie talking about I don't want to go
01:25:10
home. Liar.
01:25:13
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