#thewalkingdead #daryldixon #hebookofcarol Carol makes her way into The Nest after narrowly escaping Madame Genet's massacre. Daryl both gains and loses something important when The Nest is attacked by the enhanced walkers. A place of refuge does not remain that way for long. Carol takes matter into her own hands. With the defeat of one leader, another emerges with a new organization and purpose.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Casey and Michelle and we are discussing episode 4 of
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Season 2 of Daryl Dixon. Hello.
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So I know we're going to go in order, but I'm just going to say
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this episode, it made me happy, yes, and it made me mad, and
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then it made me happy again. Yes, it was.
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There was a lot of emotion in this episode and I was not quite
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ready for all of that to hit me at once.
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It was like, what are y'all trying to do to me?
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What are y'all trying to do to me?
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I agree. Let's start at the top Madam to
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May and her little army of enhanced walkers, because she
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actually does kill the crowd that she has brought to the
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nest. Carol, of course, as we
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discussed in the last episode, hid behind the big dude, so she.
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Didn't I'm calling her James Bond Carroll, 'cause I was like,
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how you getting out of this way? Listen.
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They even shot her with one of the serum arrows and she was
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able to quit. She got that off.
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Real quick, real quick, she's like.
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The. Leather because they hit that
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leather jacket, so it really didn't get through that leather
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jacket. OK 'cause my thought was how did
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it hit? How you how none of it getting
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you like name? Well, dribble jibble.
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Like you ain't getting up no stick.
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She got that off off off real quick, real quick.
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So at that point, at that point I was like OK, you got it off
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but they bout to turn and you still alive.
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So how you gonna get from this group?
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And I get shot leaving the group.
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We saw Carol being Super Carol, as she always is.
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She was being track star Carol 'cause when I say sis got the
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hell on, she ran dodging bullets and she takes the dune buggy
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that they actually have Cadrone strapped to I.
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I don't know if we mentioned that in the last episode, but
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they had Cadrone strapped to a Jeep because they were going to
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use him as bait to like lure the walkers to the nest.
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So Carol gets on it with him and they go chasing.
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They go straight to the nest. And I was like, Karen, why would
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you leave the oh, OK, she has to go get a friend out.
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So I was like OK, but when I tell y'all we I know we've had
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this discussion before and I'm a say it again and I'm a reiterate
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it again just in case we are all alive during a zombie
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apocalypse. Those bitches start running.
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I'm done, I'm done. I'm just going to find a corner
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somewhere and just sit there and just wait for the inevitable Ant
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all. You can do.
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That's all you can do. Because no, you saw Carol.
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Carol was struggling. I was like, OK, Carol is used to
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slow walkers. Carol is not used to having to
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run for her life. And I know she was probably like
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son of a bitch. What the hell is this to go from
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episode 1 walkers to track stars?
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Oh no no no no. But remember she saw it and when
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they was peeking through the gate so she knew they was going
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to get get up and go fast. Yeah, but that they weren't even
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going that fast when she was on Ash's land or are you talking
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about? When her and old boy was looking
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peeking. Through the gate, Yeah.
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Yeah, Well, I mean, I knew. 'Cause he got up and ran towards
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her and she shot him, you know, as he got up to like.
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So she started a little Sprint. He did, yeah.
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But it's different when you got Freeland and, you know, no, you
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just straight open field. Yeah, and it's also different
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when it's one and then you got like more than a dozen coming
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after you, right? I mean running.
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Either way, she had to get them out of there so wasn't going to
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end up well for her. This is like war War Z, yes.
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And I have said it before because we've referenced that
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movie as well. And I was like, when my kids
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were younger and we saw that movie, I I turned to them and I
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told them, I said, if there's ever zombies in our lifetime and
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they run like that. I said, I'm just letting y'all
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know now. I'm going to find somebody's
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gun. We're going to sit crisscross
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applesauce in the middle of the living room and I'm just going
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to get it over with for all of us because ain't no way.
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They were like, Yep, 'cause ain't no way.
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Take Me Out. Take Me Out right 'cause I can't
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even look, I can't even run that fast.
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So then I'm done. Hello, I have arthritis in both
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knees. There will be absolutely no
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escaping for me. What they say let my kids know I
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love them. I'm gone.
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The kids will be like, can you please take us out first so we
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get to deal with this. Oh, Oh no, I can't 'cause that
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makes me think of that movie, The myths every time.
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I can't. Sorry for this.
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You took everybody else out before you and then you get out
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to take yourself out and the world is good.
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That's horrible. Oh wow, what?
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That's crazy that you took everybody else out.
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Well, the same type of situation, like if we go outside
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this car, we're gonna die. That's how bad it was in the
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myth, OK? I've never seen the movie.
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He killed everyone in the car, including his son, and he went
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out there, He had no more bullets.
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He went out there to be taken by the creatures.
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But as he thought the creature was coming, it was people
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clearing the way, like burning the mist away.
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Oh, that's. Horrible.
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That's fucked up. That's why you like, well, the
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kids like taking her. I don't know.
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I think I just take myself first 'cause maybe the kids will be
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able to survive. Oh my.
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God, that's. Really fucked up.
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Yeah, sorry everyone. It's a it's a bad ending.
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That's the end you never saw. The mist.
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I just, I just told you the. End And And The funny thing
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about the Mist is Melissa McBride was in that movie, was
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she? Yeah.
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Yeah. That was that was that was the
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movie. Because she was a casting
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director and she only did like a few acting jobs, and she did the
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miss. And that was how she ended up
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getting on The Walking Dead, because of what she didn't miss.
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Yeah. 'Cause she had.
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To deal with that stuff. Oh wow.
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But anyway, so Carol still. And Laura, Laura, Lori Holt was
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in there, too. Oh, was she OK?
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I that that's one of those movies that is continuously on
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my to be watch list. So I watch it at some point,
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probably sometime this year, yeah.
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Melissa McBride is the woman with kids who didn't make it.
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You know what? You know what she didn't.
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We're not even going to go there.
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So however she made it here, she did be able to jump up in.
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She let she free could drum and she starts.
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To flake bullets too 'cause I mean, people were shooting right
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at her, but not a goalie. Is, let me tell you, they.
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Didn't have good A, they didn't have good aim.
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To shoot him clearly he behind her.
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Neither one of them got shot however that's OK because that's
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what I was thinking in my mind like oh she bout to get shot in
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the shoulder a little bit, glaze her face.
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She don't get shot in the leg. Let me tell you what it is.
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She got shot with one of the with the serum arrow and before
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she got it out it just it protected her.
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It coated her with some kind of invisibility shit.
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OK. All right.
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If we want to go there with that, do her.
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They're just saying, OK, I mean, but we've already talked about
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how the guards and stuff at the Nest are not really trained.
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They're not really prepared. So they're probably just just
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shooting blindly. And of course, they don't have
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time to focus because you're you're trying to keep the
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onslaught of walkers from coming in.
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Because Can you imagine the people who are at the front of
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the gate, they see these walkers coming and they're dead before
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they can even comprehend what's going on.
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The ones who were there, first of all, you see this person
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that's coming after you in a Jeep or just barreling through
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with the Jeep. Now, granted, she wasn't trying
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to hit anybody and she wasn't really trying to kill any of
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them people because she doesn't know yet that Daryl is being
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held prisoner, right? She thinks that he's a part of
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the nest because that was his intention.
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That's what was going on that Madam Janae would have known.
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She wouldn't have known that Losang was keeping him prisoner,
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so she had no reason to be killing folks.
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Now, however, you start shooting at her, trying to keep her from
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coming in. She's got to defend herself
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because she doesn't have time to sit there and explain to them.
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I'm not with these people. I'm coming for my friend.
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You shouldn't. You are an obstacle.
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I'm just going to kill you and get you out my way.
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I will say my apologies later. That's basically what Carol is
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right now. Now, in the midst of all this
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going on outside, on the inside, Lo Sang is questioning Isabelle
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again, trying to find out where Laurent is and trying to talk
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about, talk to her. Her about the fact that her
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faith is weak and her resolve has weak.
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And she has let this Darrell Dixon get in her head and turn
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her from the cause. And he is increasingly sounding
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like a madman. Like Los Angeles gone, Common
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sense is gone from him. Now he is so focused on finding
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Laurent and doing this little ceremony, experiment, whatever,
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because he really believes that if the Walker bites Laurent,
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Laurent will not be infected. And that is what's going to lead
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the new faction into the world. That's that's what's going to
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heal. And he's thinking all this
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stuff. And he was like, yeah, we have
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to have the provement. She was like, if you need proof,
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you really don't have the faith, right?
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Somebody comes in, tells Low saying that they're being
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attacked and I guess he was getting ready to take her back
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to the dungeon where Daryl was or the out they were in a shower
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or something. The showers.
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She takes the little grate from her shower as she slashes him
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across the face. OK, I was like, OK, she's
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distracting him a little bit. I will be honest and say I was
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not expecting him to pick up that knife and stab her.
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I thought he. Was just I.
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Thought he was just going to like threaten her, scare her or
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just basically be like, look, I have this, I can hurt you.
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This motherfucker actually stabbed her.
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I was like. Then I was concerned for her
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because I thought, OK, she's about to die on this ground.
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I did not want her to turn into. And I'm thinking, you know what?
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No, she's not going to die. They're going to patch her up.
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She's just going to slow her down some, but she'll be patched
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up. I figured she would die, but I
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didn't. I didn't want her to die and
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then become a Walker. I wanted her to have for her
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character and for what she has been through and, you know, her
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trying to protect Laurent and all this other stuff.
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I really wanted her to have a dignified death, you know, as
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much as she could within the circumstances.
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I didn't want her to become a Walker.
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I didn't want them to have to, you know, see her like that and
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put her down. I I just didn't want any of
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that. So when she got up and she was
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making her way outside, I was like, oh, maybe somebody will
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find her and patch her up and someone does find her out of all
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people. Carol finds her.
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And I was like, OK, Carol didn't try to kill her.
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She tried to now. I look so concerned for like,
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oh. She did, you know, I was
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thinking about that because I was thinking about what we've
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said about Carol in the last couple of episodes.
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And I don't know, I think maybe with Carol, she's so used to
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holding people at arm's length and maybe something about what
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they went through at the Commonwealth, trying to get into
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the Commonwealth and just some other things as far as, you
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know, maybe her, her view about community has changed.
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And granted, I think she's let her guard down a little bit too
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much because I think the old Carol would have sussed out that
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Janae was playing her. I think the old Carol, you know,
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she would have had more intuition in regards to Madam
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Janae, especially after you see her doing this, you know, her
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people doing the experiments. This is not a good person, and
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that should. Have been the red flag for
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Carol, but and I think this, I don't think I, I not, I will
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push back a little bit on that. I don't I don't think so.
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I think Daryl definitely lost his edge.
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I don't think Carol did. The only reason why is because
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Carol been consistent to this point.
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Even when they were on Greenland and she was sitting next to that
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woman, she was on 100. She was ready because she knew
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it went right when that woman started talking about the land
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is, you know, paying us back or whatnot.
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But I think with the Madam, what it is, but she still wasn't like
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she did. Yeah, but I don't she wasn't
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fit. She knew she could take her.
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Like I knew she could take her even when she had the crossbow.
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Like, I get that that doesn't that doesn't do anything.
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But I think with Madam Janae, she knew she was bad.
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She did like she knew. Didn't eat the damn food off the
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ground like he already knew. You know there's some shit I
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would do so I'm going to expect the same shit that I would do.
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She would do. But she also thought OK we 2
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leader bitches here. However, the other one she
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thought, OK, Madam, she know I I need to pay back.
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I need to kill Daryl and I'm legit like she is.
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She thinks we're on the same page.
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But clearly I thought she was on the same page with Madam Janae
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too. But she's not really.
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Madam Janae. Don't give up, AL.
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And also, you're not going to keep up Alpha.
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You're not going to keep a leader with you.
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You talk. About and I I get that and I.
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Don't miss that part, that that's the one thing Carol miss.
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I think she's still be consistent.
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She not on vacation like Darrell is, is just she just missed the
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part that you cannot be in the same room with this woman
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because she would think you will take her over just like you
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think she will take you over. And that's, that's the thing.
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That's why. I feel like you going to do it
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as a Walker. Yeah, that's why, that's why I
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said I feel like she probably had her guard down just a little
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bit when it came to Madam Janae. Because I, I think old Carol or
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older Carol or previous Carol, however you want to phrase it, I
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think she would have been a little bit more weary of Madam
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Janae. She probably still would have
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used the circumstances to get her closer to Daryl, but she
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would not have been the old, excuse me, the old Carol would
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not have been surprised when Madam Janae threw her into that
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crowd. That's that's just what I'm
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saying. But.
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However, she was still ready to react, so she was already, she's
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already always on 20 when Darryl come on vacation and he went
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from 20 to two. I mean like, come on dude, you
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but but I I won't. Say that he.
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In love in Paris he in love. In Paris.
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Paris in love. But but again, I won't say
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that's something that's out of character for Daryl either if
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you really think about it, because one of the reasons why
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Aaron wanted him to go out with them to recruit people to come
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live in Alexandria was because of Daryl's way with people.
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Because Daryl is a good judge of character.
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Now, granted, got a little bit loose here, but also the the one
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thing like his, his mistake started at the very beginning
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when he came across the young woman and the old man.
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And again, we have to remember he had been out to sea.
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We don't know how many days he was floating.
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We don't know how long he had been there.
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He had not eaten. He was disoriented.
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So of course he wasn't going to be at 100%.
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So we understand that. Everything else, like the thing
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with Low saying, like, I think Daryl kind of sniffed that Low
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saying might not be on the up and up, but at the time, Low
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saying wasn't dangerous. And it wasn't that he was being
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evil. He just had this vision that
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was, you know, he was being blinded by his faith to believe
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in something. And I just don't think Daryl
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understood how far he was willing to take it.
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And if you think about it, Daryl as a character, we've never seen
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him show any type of religious inclination before in the show.
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He probably didn't partake in church and stuff when he was
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younger when the world was OK. Given what we know about his
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living circumstances, he may not be familiar with the way people
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act. As far as a cult, you, you can
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look at some other situations that they've seen since the
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world has ended, but again, those are influenced by the way
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the world ended. So people going to act a little
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funny, low saying for the most part was on the up and up.
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I'm trying to save humanity, which we're trying to do this,
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we're trying to do that. It wasn't a tool.
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You started sending people to try to kill him on the sly.
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That Darrell was like, wait, what the fuck am I missing?
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You didn't miss anything. It's just that Lozang changed
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because 1. He had her sensor whispering in
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his ear. I'm so overhauled.
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And then two, once things started kind of escalating low
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saying does what a person does, he starts panicking.
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He starts making decisions off the fly that maybe aren't the
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right decisions. I don't think he actually meant
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to stab Isabel. I think he was just shocked at
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the fact that she attacked him first.
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No, he did. Did you see his face 'cause it
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was like a switch if you go back and look at that scene.
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It looked it was like a a switch went off and he was like his
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face was straight at first and then he like, you know, do
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little and then. Yeah, Once he realized what he
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had done, he was just like, oh, well, yeah, I don't think, I
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don't think that was his intent. Like I said, when she, when
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she's, when she attacked him, I think at that point that's where
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the switch flipped because he was like, did she really just
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attack me? Yeah, and cut my beautiful face
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and. Cut my face.
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So he stabs her, she goes out, she's she's able to make it out,
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which again is so interesting to me.
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Well, I guess because everybody was outside, nobody stops her.
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And they probably looked, if they did see it, they probably
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because at that point, the balls.
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Are gonna be dead. But at that point, nobody
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thinking about her. If you look, when she got up,
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the amount of blood that was on the floor, I just thought she
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was there. Too.
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But Carol finds her, gets her somewhere kind of sort of safe
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because one of those walkers is coming after her and she's just
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looking. I think at that point Izzy was
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like, OK, whatever, like what is she going to do?
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Carol saves her and then that's when she figures out where
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Darrell is on the in the meantime, you've got one guard
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on the inside with Darrell. You've got all of these walkers
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coming towards him and he's looking like how the fuck am I
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finna do this? And there was just like, get
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these chains off me. Doesn't have to say a word, just
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get them off. He goes in One Direction with
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his with his little thing. He's his morning star, he's
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killing with he's killing walkers.
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And then you got somebody at the end of the hallway that's
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shooting the walkers and then all of a sudden it's just the
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two of them and he runs to her that run.
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Let me tell you, that facial expression he makes when he
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finds Carol after a long absence, after when they think
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that the other one is dead or when they've been upset, That
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little face that he makes before he burst into tears, that gets
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me every time. Because I'm like that.
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That was Daryl at peak vulnerability.
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He's looking at her like, Oh my, came over here to find me.
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He looked like he Do you know how you.
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Got. Yeah, right.
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Oh, I'm about to say something bad.
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What? What?
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What you tried to say, say it. Say it you.
00:22:36
You can't say that you're going to say something bad and then I
00:22:39
can't. Don't say it.
00:22:40
Well, I say it, I didn't have, I didn't have the fields.
00:22:47
What? OK, I'm, I'm going to be honest.
00:22:51
And if I have to rate it, it's like no.
00:22:57
Actually, you love Wait Wait. Wait, I was happy that they were
00:23:01
but like I I cry a lot. I didn't even.
00:23:05
It didn't even reach. Same that was the I was the same
00:23:09
way but I think for me it. Was because I have cried but
00:23:13
every time that scene went and I think that was it.
00:23:16
I was just more happy they got together because every time I
00:23:20
see that scene when he come back from Hilltop after he had to
00:23:23
listen to easy stream, easiest pizza pie, whatever, when he
00:23:31
came through those gates and he saw them.
00:23:35
I can tear up now. He made that face but I still
00:23:38
cry every time I see that scene. But listen I was like oh it's
00:23:42
happy. I'm happy for them.
00:23:45
OK so what's the same conversations now I'm like OK
00:23:48
let's move on. You have to stop crying and
00:23:50
hugging. Let's go.
00:23:52
And I think for me, it was probably influenced by the fact
00:23:56
that, again, I was expecting it to happen by this point.
00:24:01
And then you also, I think the emotions of the reunion were
00:24:07
somewhat dampened by the fact that you knew Isabel was about
00:24:11
to die, if she hadn't already died like I.
00:24:14
Really don't care about Isabel. And then she was gonna die, so
00:24:16
that didn't even dampen that. The thing is is even with.
00:24:22
Paying for that. Right when they got together and
00:24:25
I knew they were going to get together and I cried when they
00:24:28
got together. When who?
00:24:29
Because. We have been waiting for that
00:24:30
for a long. Time Michonne I still cried we
00:24:33
knew they were about to get together, but.
00:24:35
But we didn't, we weren't expecting it when we when we got
00:24:38
it. So that, I think added to the
00:24:40
emotion I. Cried to all of the scenes
00:24:42
afterwards, still when they were together.
00:24:45
But here I just, I, I just, I just didn't.
00:24:48
I didn't expect it. It had too much some other stuff
00:24:51
happening. Maybe if yeah, Isabel wasn't
00:24:55
dying, I really didn't care that she died because I knew that was
00:24:58
going to have to happen for this story to move forward.
00:25:01
But and I just had no feelings, to be honest with you.
00:25:04
I said this before, I really don't have no feelings for her.
00:25:06
Maybe I'm just cold inside. I don't know.
00:25:09
However, I just it just wasn't it just wasn't hitting.
00:25:15
Now, the stuff they talked about later, that hit me more.
00:25:20
Yeah, Like, it hit me more because she basically was like
00:25:23
you. You moved on from just coming
00:25:25
over here. Like, what about the rest of us?
00:25:28
Right in so many words. Yeah, the hard conversations.
00:25:33
Of those kind of hard jokes and him like not wanting to leave.
00:25:38
So what about the kids that you were pretty much raising where
00:25:41
we don't even know where they parents are.
00:25:43
But you willing to come over here?
00:25:45
Not that you willing, but you, you know, got kidnapped and now
00:25:48
you all invested in what's happening.
00:25:51
Yeah, happening here. So I think that's what I felt
00:25:56
more emotional and then them actually saying I mean, I love
00:25:59
when he does it. He does do that face like he I
00:26:02
felt like they felt the emotion but I didn't it didn't pull my
00:26:06
heartstrings. Sorry.
00:26:09
Yeah, I, I'm kind of there as well.
00:26:11
It didn't, I wasn't I, I wasn't as emotional as I thought I was
00:26:17
going to be when I finally saw them reconnecting.
00:26:19
But also, like I said, it's very much, it was almost an exact
00:26:25
replay of when they were reunited after Terminus in the
00:26:29
Woods. So yeah, so that that was, yeah,
00:26:34
that's a top. That's a top three for me,
00:26:37
right. So it just, it felt like there
00:26:42
was something that was supposed to happen, like if they if they
00:26:45
were that close to each other and then somehow missed each
00:26:49
other and then later reunited, I may have had more emotion.
00:26:55
But at this point, Daryl is locked up.
00:26:59
All the bad guys who were keeping him there otherwise
00:27:02
occupied. There was literally, I mean, and
00:27:06
Carol found out where he was because Isabel told him.
00:27:12
At this point, there's absolutely no reason whatsoever
00:27:18
for them to not reunite. So it was very much when I saw
00:27:21
them, when I saw them look at each other, I think I teared up
00:27:26
a little bit because of Carol's reaction and just kind of the
00:27:31
noise she made, like, Oh my God. I actually found him and Daryl
00:27:35
looking at her like, is this, is this real?
00:27:38
Because I think that's the thing that got me.
00:27:40
He wasn't sure if it was real. Then once he realized she was
00:27:44
there and ran to her for the hood.
00:27:46
I'm expecting the waterworks. And there was nothing.
00:27:48
And I was like, does this mean that I don't care?
00:27:51
And I was like, no, that's not the case.
00:27:53
I care. About them as characters.
00:27:55
And I care about the reunion. But again.
00:27:58
Didn't hit me. We already knew that when Carol
00:28:00
set her mind to coming to France, she was going to find a
00:28:03
barrel. We already knew it from from the
00:28:06
1st episode where she actually made it to France and she
00:28:11
immediately found her way to Madam Janae's place.
00:28:15
I was like, OK, they got to give us this reunion now.
00:28:18
You can't, you can't have us go through the whole season and
00:28:21
then keep it towards the end that that's not going to work
00:28:25
now. So that was expected.
00:28:28
And then like I said, for me, knowing that Daryl was going to
00:28:33
have to go outside and deal with Isabel after everything that
00:28:37
they had just been through, after her confession.
00:28:40
And then again, you know, Daryl, Daryl is a good one for hoarding
00:28:44
guilt. He is a good one for having
00:28:46
survivor's guilt. And he probably at some point
00:28:50
will think about the things that Lo Sang said about him fooling
00:28:55
Isabel away from the faith, away from the belief.
00:28:59
And at some point, he's probably going to think that it is his
00:29:02
fault that she is dead because she didn't just go along with
00:29:06
what Lo Sang said. Now, later on, he'll probably
00:29:09
think about it, be like, no, she wouldn't have done that.
00:29:12
You know, it's not my fault. But right now I know that that's
00:29:16
what he's about to be hit with when he goes and finds Isabel.
00:29:19
And sure enough, they go outside and he's like, hey, we got to
00:29:24
go. Izzy is done.
00:29:27
Like, you can tell that she, there is no strength left in
00:29:31
her, no life left in her. And she starts, you know, find
00:29:37
Laurent, take care of him. Tell him, you know, tell him
00:29:41
that I love him and all this stuff.
00:29:45
And then she dies. I think I was a little bit more
00:29:48
emotional about that part because I was like, now Laurent
00:29:51
really doesn't have anybody except for Daryl.
00:29:55
Well, no, let me stop. He still has flu, as far as we
00:29:58
know, but he's lost everybody that has known him since birth.
00:30:06
I think that got to me a little bit more because I'm like, now
00:30:10
he's really going to have to grow up fast, you know, we keep
00:30:14
talking about. The way Ben has to change and
00:30:18
the way that he huh. But he'd been having to have to
00:30:21
grow up fast. Yeah.
00:30:22
Yeah. They didn't want.
00:30:24
They didn't want him to grow up the way he'd need to really grow
00:30:26
up to survive this. Because they were trying to
00:30:29
protect him for whatever. This is low, low saying hadn't
00:30:34
and and you know, in mind. So yeah, so Izzy is dead.
00:30:41
So we've lost Sylvie, we've lost Izzy, we've lost the meal, we've
00:30:44
lost all the, you know, really kind of likable characters from
00:30:49
the France stuff. So now we did.
00:30:51
We got to deal with Lo Sang and her sensor and Madam.
00:30:55
I'm going to reference back to a spin off or continuation Dead
00:31:02
City, because ultimately Daryl Dixon did the same thing.
00:31:07
We got characters from the beginning and they're dead.
00:31:11
However, there's a difference because Daryl Dixon has lasted
00:31:15
longer, right? And you gave us a little bit
00:31:18
more into the into the care They didn't have like a couple of
00:31:21
lines like we're getting to experience them and feel bad.
00:31:27
Isabel not so much, but feel bad when they I'm just joking,
00:31:30
everyone. No, she's not.
00:31:33
No, she's not. I'm trying to muster, I'm trying
00:31:36
to muster some feelings for her habit.
00:31:40
I'm sorry, I really don't. Mean, like you said, we just.
00:31:42
Don't understand. And I understand if people did
00:31:48
because that's so much better than what they did with Dead
00:31:50
City, where people just pop in and then they're dead.
00:31:53
But you want to make us feel something.
00:31:54
But you didn't give us an opportunity to experience them.
00:31:58
At least we have experienced them.
00:32:00
And now it's, you know, Daryl and Carol because again, when
00:32:02
they experience people, they die.
00:32:06
This is true, but I was like, at this point, Madam Janae, her
00:32:13
life is numbered. And I don't mean days, I don't
00:32:18
mean weeks at this point. Now Darrell is about to go find
00:32:22
her because even as they're leaving Montes and Michelle in
00:32:27
flames, telling him she was like, I have a way for us to get
00:32:31
back home. A pilot that's going to take us
00:32:34
back to Paris. Daryl is not paying any
00:32:36
attention. Oh, all these people will be
00:32:39
happy to have you back. Are you listening to me?
00:32:41
And Daryl was like, look, I'm about to go kill somebody.
00:32:47
And that's when he's like, she's asking him all these questions.
00:32:50
She was I I, I take it you knew her pretty well.
00:32:52
She was talking about taking care of somebody.
00:32:55
Who's she talking about, Daryl? Like, look, we got to go this
00:32:58
way because we got to go. We got to go fight.
00:33:04
So he's already pissed off. Now, if he had just stayed where
00:33:08
he was, he probably could have taken care of Madam Janae and
00:33:11
Losang together. Because Madam Janae does come
00:33:14
in, talk to Losang. And I was like, you got two
00:33:19
birds right there. You got Carol and Daryl, just go
00:33:25
ahead and take care of them. But I understand Darrell was
00:33:28
looking for Laurent first. He was like, I got to go find
00:33:30
him because as far as he knows, Laurent is in the woods
00:33:33
somewhere. But of course, when they get to
00:33:34
the woods, Laurent and Falou are not there.
00:33:37
They're gone. He does know that Laurent has
00:33:40
been to The Cave because he has the Rubik's Cube.
00:33:42
Laurent left it back, you know, left it there for him.
00:33:46
So now they've got to go and try to find Laurent and and Falou
00:33:50
because at this point, now, you know, there was not going to be
00:33:52
like, OK, I'm just going to go home now.
00:33:55
Carol has a friend with a plane. We're just going to go home.
00:33:58
No, he's not. He's got to let Laurent know one
00:34:02
that Izzy is gone. And now he feels personally
00:34:06
responsible to make sure that Laurent is safe.
00:34:09
Especially now that you have Janae and Lesane looking for
00:34:13
him. And I wouldn't want him to.
00:34:21
I wouldn't want him to just leave.
00:34:23
That is not Daryl. So for me it's.
00:34:26
The right thing to. Do yeah, I'm going to say it's
00:34:28
the right thing to do. And Carol, you should even know.
00:34:31
Like if he's been helping and he's been here and he's involved
00:34:35
and this woman is dying in his arms saying please take care of
00:34:38
Laurent. Like that's Daryl characters to
00:34:41
take care like of them and. He's not going to go nowhere
00:34:45
until he make sure he do what he's supposed to be doing.
00:34:48
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, this is the start of
00:34:54
the Darrell and Carol field trip, where they go in search of
00:34:56
Laurent and of course they find an old couple who has been
00:35:03
living on a farmhouse just peacefully together.
00:35:07
Before we even get there, before we even get there, I want to say
00:35:12
this. Let me get close.
00:35:13
So you. Can hear me the.
00:35:16
Payoff for the came back with some bullshit on their little
00:35:21
walk when they was going on their way there.
00:35:23
OK, but. So I said what?
00:35:25
OK, so about that and what if for those of y'all listening, if
00:35:30
you didn't understand what Casey was talking about while Darryl
00:35:33
and Carol are walking, they're having conversations about
00:35:37
different things he's asking her about you know, so you just you
00:35:41
just up and left came to look for me and you know they're
00:35:44
talking about those things. He asked her.
00:35:47
He says what were you talking about on the radio?
00:35:51
You said something about somebody came back and she said
00:35:54
oh, I was just talking about this feeling that I had this.
00:35:58
I look at TV screen like what the fuck I.
00:36:02
Said bitch, girl. I wasn't like to pay off.
00:36:06
I want it. I thought you were gonna say
00:36:08
Morgan like a person came. Back OK, so I'm feeling she very
00:36:16
well could have still meant to say that somebody returned but
00:36:20
because of what Darryl is trying to do she just played it off
00:36:25
because if Darryl is really focused on finding who Laurent
00:36:28
is, who she has he hasn't even really told her at this point
00:36:32
who Laurent is. So if she's like, OK, if he's
00:36:37
really determined to find this person and save this person and
00:36:40
do whatever, finish this out, maybe I don't need to distract
00:36:44
him right now. Because that explanation, oh,
00:36:51
you know, I was just, whatever I was feeling, it was, it was just
00:36:55
there, you know, I started having funny feelings again,
00:36:57
like something that no. That was the worst explanation
00:37:04
ever that yeah, it just hated it.
00:37:07
It doesn't make sense. I think she's hiding something.
00:37:13
I mean, you got to admit it's not, you know, that's a Carol
00:37:17
thing to do. I don't think she hided nothing.
00:37:20
Though I think so either. Because that's her best friend.
00:37:23
She going to tell him, you know, no matter what.
00:37:26
Remember, she used to go on in the middle of the woods and tell
00:37:28
him everything was going on when he reclused himself, you know?
00:37:33
So she was still going out there checking on him and telling him
00:37:36
the updates of everything. Yeah, but I don't think.
00:37:41
I don't think. I don't.
00:37:43
I don't think it's Ricky Michonne that she's talking
00:37:48
about. I don't know if I want to say
00:37:50
it's Ricky Michonne, because again, one that would be too
00:37:53
important. Yeah.
00:37:56
If she had the helicopters, the CRM helicopters at her disposal
00:38:02
then she probably would have gone home to get those or she
00:38:06
would have at least radioed and said hey I just found out Daryl
00:38:10
was put on a boat to France. I need y'all to come help me
00:38:14
something. But again, we've we've mentioned
00:38:17
this before. As much as Rick probably said,
00:38:20
I'm not going anywhere else once I get home.
00:38:23
This is Daryl, this is his brother.
00:38:27
Ain't no way in hell he would have just sat there and let
00:38:33
Carol go find Daryl by herself across seas, especially if he
00:38:38
knew what was going on. There's just, there's no way.
00:38:42
And, and furthermore, Judith ain't gonna let that happen.
00:38:48
Right. So, I mean, Judith was the one
00:38:52
who told her Mama, go find my daddy.
00:38:54
Go bring him home. Yeah, it took two years, but you
00:38:58
did what I told you to do. Not yet took you 2.
00:39:03
Years, but OK, so we'll, we'll just let that sit for a minute.
00:39:06
I'm just like I said, I'm just gonna say I don't think she was
00:39:09
being truthful with him when she said it was just a feeling she
00:39:12
had. I I think there's something else
00:39:14
going on and we'll just have to see, you know, how Carol does
00:39:19
hold on to secrets even and yes, sometimes she holds them from
00:39:24
Darrell too. So we'll just have to see.
00:39:28
But I want to talk about this old couple because again, we
00:39:35
know that when our people show up.
00:39:38
Somebody gonna die. Somebody gonna die even though
00:39:42
you have the best intentions, right?
00:39:44
But again, just like we said with the the other circumstance,
00:39:51
these folks will, I won't say both of them.
00:39:54
The lady didn't have it coming, the husband or the the the
00:39:57
boyfriend. He definitely did.
00:40:00
Yeah. I mean, it's it's nice that
00:40:04
y'all took them in and gave, you know, gave them a car and, you
00:40:08
know, fed them and all this other stuff.
00:40:11
But this couple, it was it was one of those things where I was
00:40:16
like, OK, so what's the whole purpose of introducing us to
00:40:18
this couple? Then we find out, OK, so this
00:40:22
couple housed Laurent and Falou, gave them access to a vehicle or
00:40:28
help them find a vehicle so that they can go to Paris.
00:40:31
OK, So while they're there, oh, yes, Laurent mentioned us to
00:40:37
you. They start calling Carol sister
00:40:40
Isabel because they think she's Isabel.
00:40:43
And then the wife keeps making all of these references to
00:40:50
Isabel and Daryl and oh, Laurent said that you loved her and
00:40:54
blah, blah, blah, and she's giving Carol advice and all this
00:40:59
other stuff. I said, OK, So what the show is
00:41:02
trying to do now is they're trying to show us that there
00:41:06
might be more to Carol and Daryl.
00:41:08
I need y'all to stop 'cause you they.
00:41:11
Definitely thought she was Isabel.
00:41:14
Like that's what I'm saying. That's immediately what I
00:41:17
thought. And and I and I get that, but
00:41:20
once they are there, everything that she is telling Carol is
00:41:26
based on observations. She's looking at their body
00:41:31
language, she's looking at how they're acting around each other
00:41:34
and she is making her own assumptions about the way they
00:41:37
feel for each other. And I was like, OK, here the
00:41:40
show goes again trying to tell us, but you didn't get the
00:41:45
Isabel and Daryl so too. So I ain't listening to you.
00:41:49
OK, Isabel and Isabel and Darrell was forced like but.
00:41:53
That's, but that's what I'm saying.
00:41:55
I feel like they're trying to do that same thing with Carol and
00:41:59
Darrell. They're putting out all of these
00:42:01
little feelers like, Oh yeah, there's something there.
00:42:04
They do have feelings for each other, blah blah blah blah blah.
00:42:10
Maybe I was looking wrong are. You looking at the wrong show
00:42:13
because they are. I did I did I that's why I text
00:42:17
you guys because I was like wait a second I'm confused.
00:42:21
I had to rewatch the scene a few times because I'm like y'all are
00:42:24
trying to hint at something we just spoke about and it's not
00:42:28
there. I have not seen that one time
00:42:31
they were star crossed lovers and they miss each other in the
00:42:34
night. But the old lady is reading them
00:42:37
like that. Because she's reading the other
00:42:40
type of love. Everyone better be OK.
00:42:44
I didn't see it. I didn't feel it.
00:42:46
I didn't. I have.
00:42:47
Never in all of these years, I'm going to keep throwing my hands
00:42:50
up in all of these years have I seen until right now, we're not
00:42:55
right. For the original show, I never.
00:42:57
When people were trying to ship them, I still I didn't.
00:42:59
Wasn't there? Right.
00:43:02
Like stop trying to force like him and Connie that was there
00:43:07
no, no questions rotation there. I can see them and absolutely
00:43:12
all right. But anybody else?
00:43:14
I have not seen that. No, now I've seen Carol with
00:43:18
other people in my head, but not Daryl.
00:43:22
Yeah. And, and like I said, I don't
00:43:26
see, I don't see those two together romantically either.
00:43:29
And even like, so it's interesting with Darrell and
00:43:37
Carol because obviously they're best friends.
00:43:40
They've obviously been through a lot of stuff together.
00:43:43
They've had their backs with each other, but also at the same
00:43:47
time, they butt heads so much. And I was like, I'm sorry, even
00:43:53
if this was a romantic pairing, I don't see y'all arguing all
00:43:57
the time. Even if you've been gone for how
00:43:59
long? This woman came all the way
00:44:01
overseas to find you and you're still arguing, quote UN quote
00:44:06
like an old married couple. I get that, but I'm like, can
00:44:11
y'all just not have a moment of peace within y'all and be like,
00:44:15
oh, I'm so glad that we that we found each other again.
00:44:18
Can, can we just have that? Y'all got to be sniping at each
00:44:23
other and, and, and just making it's tiring.
00:44:27
And that's one of the reasons why I don't ship them and it
00:44:31
could be OK. Again, we don't see the pairing
00:44:36
if other people see it. I'm not going to discount that.
00:44:40
There are obviously people who see it.
00:44:42
Just like there are people who don't see Ricky Michonne, there
00:44:45
are people who don't see Connie and Darryl.
00:44:52
There are people who actually do see Maggie and Negan.
00:44:57
OK, Everybody looks at things a little bit differently.
00:45:00
And I know that has to do with also what we are attracted to,
00:45:04
what appeals to us. So everybody's going to have
00:45:07
their, their, you know, their versions of what it is.
00:45:12
OK, fine. But I don't want to look at
00:45:15
Darryl and Carol arguing all the time.
00:45:18
And if you think back to a lot of their scenes together, a lot
00:45:23
of their experiences together, they argue just about as much as
00:45:28
they are not arguing. And it's tiring.
00:45:31
It's exhausting. Like, right now, y'all should
00:45:34
not be arguing about anything. Y'all should be trying to find a
00:45:37
way to get this car going. Go find the run so y'all can go
00:45:41
the fuck home. You should be happy that your
00:45:44
motherfucking best friend found a way.
00:45:47
From America. From America.
00:45:50
Who France? Who France.
00:45:54
So find your ass. You should be never gave up.
00:45:58
Never. And you still like you're you're
00:46:03
being so focused. And again, I understand you just
00:46:07
you just went through something traumatic.
00:46:09
You have somebody that you're that you feel responsible for
00:46:12
that you need to go find. And then you have all these
00:46:15
people who keep saying stuff. I mean, even with even with
00:46:19
Darrell and Carol, like they're having conversations.
00:46:21
She was like you loved her, you cared about her, she's important
00:46:26
to you, but blah blah blah. You didn't think to come home
00:46:28
and like what you. Do.
00:46:32
You even have, do you even have the whole story yet?
00:46:35
Why you sitting here like you just you just decided to stay in
00:46:38
France. What else was he going to do?
00:46:41
Because guess what? Janae was controlling all of the
00:46:44
boats in Paris, and I was. Just going to say he didn't have
00:46:47
no plane. Didn't know.
00:46:49
Didn't nobody have a plane? And at this point he's just
00:46:53
really trying to stay alive because you got this man who is
00:46:56
trying to hunt him for reasons he don't know.
00:46:59
So it was just as much as I like seeing them together again, and
00:47:05
I like their dynamic when they're getting along, the
00:47:10
little pettiness between them right now, it's irritating me.
00:47:15
Y'all ain't got time for this. Y'all got shit to do and then
00:47:19
you need to go fuck. A man later be mad later.
00:47:22
Right be mad later, be mad when you get back to the
00:47:24
Commonwealth. Be mad because if y'all are
00:47:28
acting like this and you and then you still got to deal with
00:47:31
the fact that what the fuck you finna tell ash when you walk up
00:47:34
with with this grown ass man and not your not your grown
00:47:37
daughter. Like there's too many other
00:47:40
things that you need to worry about.
00:47:42
Not to mention the fact that you got people who are looking for
00:47:45
you because Darryl escaped and Madam Shanay knows that Carol
00:47:52
escaped. Y'all got way of y'all.
00:47:57
Y'all got other things to be worried about then to be
00:47:59
frightened. A.
00:48:01
Whole lot of other things. So that was kind of irritating
00:48:05
me. And then, like I said, with,
00:48:07
with the old woman and the old man making like the different
00:48:11
little remarks to them about their relationship and about
00:48:16
this and about that. I was just like, OK, you know
00:48:18
what? I'm done tired.
00:48:22
I I'm done. Because this is I watch Carol
00:48:27
and Daryl for the camaraderie, for the fact that they both
00:48:35
accept each other for whatever they are going through at the
00:48:40
time. They help each other through
00:48:42
their trauma. They don't force the other
00:48:45
person to do anything except for, I have to say it earlier in
00:48:49
the years when Carol was going through her stuff and she was
00:48:53
like, oh, I don't want to kill anymore.
00:48:55
I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do that anymore.
00:48:57
Because I'm going to admit during those times in The
00:48:59
Walking Dead, those are the times.
00:49:02
I was on another podcast at the time and we talked about The
00:49:04
Walking Dead. I and I can remember clearly,
00:49:06
OK, it's time for it's time for Carol to be gone from this story
00:49:11
because it's too much now as as the years go by and I I look at
00:49:16
her character a bit more again, I realize she's dealing with a
00:49:19
whole bunch of repressed trauma. There are things that she
00:49:23
probably has never properly dealt with.
00:49:25
We see it again with the whole with the whole quote UN quote
00:49:29
barn door in this episode when she's going in with the old lady
00:49:34
to get stuff and she's looking at the barn and she finally
00:49:36
admits to the old lady that she lost the daughter.
00:49:41
Now that should have clicked with the old lady, Like, oh,
00:49:44
wait, you're you're a nun and you had a daughter that should
00:49:47
have clicked with her life. Oh, you might not be Isabel, but
00:49:49
maybe the old lady was just like, OK, look, they haven't
00:49:52
done anything bad to us. Yeah, I was gonna say at that
00:49:55
point, they don't even. Gonna.
00:49:56
Right, and then you'll help them.
00:49:58
Still, you can still have to have a kid.
00:49:59
Lost it and then became a nun. No.
00:50:02
But you know, for for the most part, we don't think about that.
00:50:06
You know, but true. But I'm going to go back to
00:50:07
something again that is bad to say.
00:50:14
Here we go. I'm this hurt her having issues
00:50:19
with the barn. That's bothering me too, because
00:50:23
I guess I would be OK if we saw it somewhat over the years.
00:50:30
But I think that's the whole, I think that's the whole point.
00:50:34
I have all of this I, I, I get it.
00:50:36
I totally do, Like I totally do. I, I, I got the mental health
00:50:41
thing, but I just feel like the way it's written, it's more of a
00:50:46
like they. They're pulling on our heart
00:50:51
strings. They and then they're trying to
00:50:53
set something up or whatnot. I don't know exactly what
00:50:58
they're trying to do, but could have did this a tad bit
00:51:02
differently. I thought of it more so like
00:51:09
number one, like how do I say it?
00:51:11
It it more is repressed. The fact that she now is using
00:51:15
Sophia as this cover of This is why I'm going to Paris.
00:51:20
Like it's now bringing it to the forefront where things are like,
00:51:24
OK, well shit, you know what I'm saying?
00:51:26
Although when she met Ash and he put her in a barn, that's why
00:51:30
she kind of had the first one. That was before the story even
00:51:32
came about. But now even more so now because
00:51:36
I've used my little girl and the hopes and dreams of what I wish
00:51:40
for her is now prominent. Has she survived that?
00:51:46
That would give you a little bit of trauma, right?
00:51:48
It it. Would have and I, I'm like, I
00:51:51
totally get it because that happens.
00:51:54
I guess just the way they wrote it.
00:51:56
I really just, I don't know, like, again, we talked about it.
00:52:01
I don't think it should have been the barn.
00:52:02
I really think it should have been when she went in there and
00:52:04
saw all the things that that man had for his son and that you
00:52:09
don't even have that for your baby.
00:52:11
Yeah. And then I can see that then it
00:52:14
starts to creep, you know what I'm saying, to the creep in.
00:52:18
But the the way they're doing it of just because I guess you have
00:52:21
to have it visually for us, the barn is something visual for and
00:52:25
it's really for us and. I was going to say in the barn
00:52:28
is something that everybody remembers.
00:52:30
Right. And I guess that's what like,
00:52:31
don't worry about us. Make it where it like it is real
00:52:36
and that is closing in on her. And sometimes it's it may not
00:52:39
even be the barn, but other little other things.
00:52:42
The Rubik's Cube could have done it to her when he was pulling
00:52:45
out of the tape. Well, when she was in Ash's
00:52:48
greenhouse and she played the. The music.
00:52:52
She was crying, Yeah, but I mean that that also.
00:52:56
That's what I'm saying. That would have been the time to
00:52:58
like start it all. You see what I'm saying?
00:53:00
Because she had that time and she was like, you know what?
00:53:03
I've lost my real child even and lost Henry, and those things
00:53:08
come back and then it's the barn and it's just other little
00:53:12
things that just makes her think of her.
00:53:15
They wrote it that way. It's just how they riding it.
00:53:18
Like you, you put it in there and you're not just taking the
00:53:22
time and care for it because you need Carol to go through this,
00:53:26
right? That's how I'm feeling.
00:53:28
Right. So I think the other thing that
00:53:33
was that's kind of weird about this whole, I guess Daryl and
00:53:37
Carol reunion is how long is taking certain things to come up
00:53:44
in the conversation. Like you've been on the road
00:53:47
with Carol, y'all have been at these people's house and it's
00:53:51
not until y'all are back in the house after the Madam Janae
00:53:55
soldiers have been to the house looking for them.
00:53:58
Y'all come in the bedroom. Now Carol is just now giving him
00:54:04
the little doll from Judith. Now you are just asking how
00:54:08
Judith is. That to me doesn't seem, it
00:54:12
seems weird because I would feel like, yeah, Daryl has this
00:54:16
responsibility over here in France, but this is Judith.
00:54:20
That should have been one of the first questions out of Daryl's
00:54:22
mouth before they went anywhere. Are the kids OK?
00:54:27
Especially when they're having conversation in the woods And
00:54:30
he's like, so you just decided to come up on a whim and, and,
00:54:34
and look for me and find me here.
00:54:37
You didn't say anything about So what about the kids?
00:54:41
Who's watching the kids? Are the kids OK?
00:54:43
Is every none of that conversation?
00:54:47
Y'all wait until they've been they've been at this people's
00:54:50
house. What a day 2 days and now you're
00:54:55
asking how is Judith? How is she that just?
00:54:59
Yeah. Doesn't seem right to me.
00:55:01
That part, it doesn't seem right to me.
00:55:04
So it's. Also throw it all day.
00:55:06
Huh. Also throw an RJ like you.
00:55:09
Also been there. Who that boy like step daddy?
00:55:13
Right. Step in, Dad.
00:55:15
Come on now, help me. So, so it's just weird to me
00:55:19
that you're leaving out what is, I feel like all of these vital
00:55:25
topics of conversation. Granted, he probably didn't
00:55:28
think about it because when they were leaving the nest, Carol
00:55:31
said something about, you know, all these people are missing
00:55:34
you. And she mentioned RJ, she
00:55:35
mentioned you, that she mentioned Connie.
00:55:37
She was like, yeah, we, we miss you.
00:55:39
You know, everybody's been worried about you.
00:55:43
Again, that should have been a that should have been a
00:55:45
question. Is everybody OK?
00:55:48
And and again, you're you're dealing with trauma right now.
00:55:51
Your your, your girl, your friend, your whatever she was to
00:55:54
you just died. I'm assuming he knows that LO
00:55:59
saying killed her, because even if it wasn't told outright, LO
00:56:04
saying was the one who let her out.
00:56:06
Yeah, who took her out? So he has to know Lo saying was
00:56:11
the one who killed her. So I know he's focused on that.
00:56:14
He's focused on trying to find the one.
00:56:17
But still, these are your people.
00:56:19
You have literally been there with Judith and RJ since birth.
00:56:27
These are other people who you care about who love you.
00:56:30
And again, going back to that line he dropped earlier in the
00:56:34
show. I'm just wondering if the people
00:56:36
back home and thinking about me. And now somebody there and you
00:56:40
ain't asking no about. Nobody.
00:56:41
That's not a God damn thing up until all this stuff.
00:56:47
But no you. Know but no y'all walk.
00:56:49
Y'all could talk about that on the walk, right?
00:56:53
Right, So I don't know, this episode was kind of it's one of
00:57:00
those things where it's kind of weird for me because again, I
00:57:03
love the fact that they did reunite, but it's like you
00:57:07
reunite and then you go back to the way things were before.
00:57:11
Like you didn't know, like you wasn't just thinking whether or
00:57:15
not this man was dead for six months or however long he's been
00:57:19
gone and you just didn't think that you would be reunited with
00:57:24
your people because you've been stuck in France for it's it's
00:57:28
just weird. And I know I use that word a
00:57:32
lot. It is.
00:57:33
It's. It's weird, but it is.
00:57:35
They're out of character. It is.
00:57:37
It just seems strange and and, and even though they haven't,
00:57:43
they've been apart for a while. There is also kind of like a
00:57:48
natural flow to the way Carol and Daryl are together.
00:57:53
And you see that once Madam Janae's people come back to the
00:57:56
house because when they have to, when they have to hide, they
00:58:00
don't want to court. OK, you go do this.
00:58:02
I go do this. Like bam, bam, bam.
00:58:04
They're in sequence when it comes to being upstairs.
00:58:08
And Madam Janae actually finds Carol and she's about to shoot
00:58:11
Carol and Daryl comes in the back and forth like it's they're
00:58:16
very synchronized when it comes to certain things.
00:58:19
So again, the the back and forth with them, the pettiness in this
00:58:24
episode when y'all haven't seen each other, however long it just
00:58:29
it threw the vibe of the whole episode off for me.
00:58:34
I'm not saying y'all got to be lovey devil with each other.
00:58:37
I'm not saying y'all have to be like tiptoeing around each other
00:58:41
being nice but come on now. Act like you missed each other,
00:58:46
right? That's the whole thing.
00:58:49
And I feel part of me feels like they have them acting in that
00:58:55
way to kind of to kind of contrast this whole conversation
00:59:04
that's been happening with the two older people.
00:59:07
And. Oh, yeah.
00:59:08
We think your sister Isabel, we think you're the person that
00:59:11
Daryl loves because Laurent told us that y'all love each other,
00:59:14
but y'all just don't know how to express it.
00:59:16
Or rather it, I guess Izzy might have said something, but Daryl,
00:59:19
of course, hasn't. And I just feel like because
00:59:21
they're they keep pushing this with the old people.
00:59:23
Yeah. You guys love each other.
00:59:25
And this is how y'all should act.
00:59:27
And da, da, da, da, da, you know?
00:59:29
Yeah, old man is not my husband, but when I, you know, I was
00:59:34
alone and I was by myself and then I found love again and blah
00:59:38
blah blah. And it's like she's trying to
00:59:40
tell Carol that this is something Carol can do.
00:59:42
Excuse me, Sister Isabel. This is something she can do as
00:59:46
well with that. It was just too much.
00:59:48
It was too much. It was too much.
00:59:52
Y'all trying to force this little thing and then y'all got
00:59:55
them acting like they pissed off at each other.
00:59:57
Y'all seen each other in six months.
01:00:00
Y'all ain't did nothing to be pissed off at each other about,
01:00:03
so come on. But anyway, Madame Nay ends up
01:00:10
finding them because the first time her soldiers came around,
01:00:14
the couple gave them like some food and stuff to get them off
01:00:18
the grounds. But apparently the dude, the old
01:00:22
guy. Told her soldiers, yeah, they're
01:00:25
here, come back, they're supposed to leave tomorrow,
01:00:28
Distracting them with some truffle eggs, which I've never
01:00:31
heard of truffle eggs. So now I need to look them up
01:00:36
and see what they are and whether or not they are really
01:00:40
as good as they taste because they were making it seem like
01:00:43
this was gold on the plate. Carol and Darrell were both
01:00:47
impressed. Madame Janay ended up eating
01:00:49
some. She was like, oh, truffle eggs.
01:00:51
I was like, what the fuck is a truffle egg?
01:00:56
I don't I don't know. But Madame Janay.
01:01:03
So did we not say that as soon as Carol set foot in France,
01:01:10
Madame Janay's days are out are are numbered.
01:01:13
And we also said that Carol was going to have to be the one to
01:01:17
kill Janae and Daryl was going to be the one to kill Losain.
01:01:20
That's what we were saying when we were talking about them.
01:01:22
And Carol most definitely held up her end of the bargain.
01:01:26
Because when I say, I was not expecting that to happen to
01:01:30
Madam Janae when Carol shot the serum into her back and shot it
01:01:36
in a place where she couldn't remove it.
01:01:38
Right. So she couldn't do the Carol
01:01:40
thing where we just. And she didn't have on a leather
01:01:42
jacket. No, it went right through the
01:01:45
skin, right? Through.
01:01:48
Her eyes, but it's the best way for her to die.
01:01:51
It is. It very much is.
01:01:54
She definitely earned that death.
01:01:56
Yeah, she did. It was great.
01:02:00
But I was. I'll be late though, but it was
01:02:02
great. It was.
01:02:04
It was. I wasn't expecting that to
01:02:06
happen to her. Right.
01:02:08
Not so. Not so.
01:02:09
Oh, right, No. No.
01:02:11
No, no, the the reaction of the serum.
01:02:13
I wasn't expecting that to have her whole face.
01:02:15
Damn this. Well, I said.
01:02:17
Right. Right.
01:02:19
It did. Because you would think.
01:02:21
But then again, they probably weren't thinking that far.
01:02:24
They were just like, OK, we need to figure out how to make this
01:02:27
serum to make these walkers, you know, weapons that we can
01:02:34
control. Because that was what she said
01:02:35
at the beginning of the episode. That was what they were working
01:02:38
on. But they weren't looking for
01:02:41
they weren't. They weren't looking for the
01:02:43
result it would have on you on on on live.
01:02:45
Right, because if that was the case, y'all would have done
01:02:49
something a little bit different because that was not the way to
01:02:55
go. I know she felt pain in every
01:02:57
single part, but at the same time, I was like this.
01:03:00
I said it had to be Carol to kill her.
01:03:03
And I know we were talking about was it the last episode or two
01:03:06
episodes ago when we were like, why didn't Darryl just kill her?
01:03:10
Oh no, it was the first episode. We were like, Darryl could have
01:03:12
just shot her and been done with it.
01:03:14
And I had to sit here and think, aside from Leah because she was
01:03:20
trying to kill Maggie, has Darryl killed another woman
01:03:24
before? Because Daryl might be one of
01:03:29
those people that's like, I'm not going to hit a woman.
01:03:31
I'm not going to shoot a woman, that sort of thing.
01:03:34
And maybe that was why he hesitated with Madam Janae.
01:03:37
But I was sitting here thinking, I was like, I know he killed
01:03:40
Leah, but Leah was literally on top of Maggie, about to kill
01:03:43
her. But I can't think of any other
01:03:46
instance where Daryl killed a woman, like a live woman, maybe
01:03:50
a Walker. Yeah.
01:03:52
But I can't think of any other instance.
01:03:55
Can you? Did he not kill any of the trash
01:04:02
people? That the trash people and also
01:04:06
the I can't think of their names right now skin.
01:04:11
Who? The skin wearing ones.
01:04:13
The whispers, the. Whispers.
01:04:15
He didn't kill any whispers. Not any women whispers that I
01:04:19
can think of. How do we know when it was in
01:04:21
that big group and they were just killing people?
01:04:25
I don't know, but I mean, maybe he did that this course they
01:04:28
they had the mask on so he wouldn't have known if they were
01:04:31
women or not. He.
01:04:32
Just was killing. But yeah, because, yeah, but if
01:04:35
you think about it, like him face to face with somebody with
01:04:39
with the people that he fights killing, I don't think he's ever
01:04:44
killed a woman before. So that way.
01:04:47
He has probably in a large group, but you talk about
01:04:50
combat, probably no, because he normally gets in combat with men
01:04:54
and women normally don't like take him on, right?
01:05:01
Again, I want to say like, I love it when people get the
01:05:06
death they deserve. Yes, because you did that to
01:05:09
people. So you end up getting injected
01:05:13
with your own serum. Perfect.
01:05:16
And and the even more poetic part is I know you say she did
01:05:20
it to people, but she killed the people first to do that to them.
01:05:24
So the fact is, she got it when she was alive.
01:05:27
Right. So that's what I'm saying she
01:05:28
deserved. You still kill people and.
01:05:31
She felt everything and then when she looked in the mirror
01:05:34
and saw herself turning, I was like.
01:05:37
That was so cool. That was so cool.
01:05:41
I was like, yes, go ahead and see the monster that you're
01:05:44
about to become, because when I say you deserve it, you deserve
01:05:51
it. And both Daryl and Carol looking
01:05:53
at her like we don't know who's going to be like they didn't
01:06:00
know. But so like my screen name says,
01:06:04
Ding Dong, the witch is dead. One down, one to go, because
01:06:08
again, you killed Isabel. Los ain't got to die.
01:06:13
Absolutely. But now you taking your mission
01:06:17
to a whole other level, even when you're saying it towards
01:06:20
the end, because once Madam Janae's people go back and they
01:06:24
tell those saying that, you know, Janae is dead, they tell
01:06:28
her Santa and he's like, oh, she went after the boy and now she's
01:06:33
dead. Because they had that
01:06:34
conversation, him and Madam Janae, because she was like,
01:06:37
yeah, guys going to be on my side because I'm going to go
01:06:39
find him and I'm going to kill him and blah, blah, blah.
01:06:42
So they're both thinking this. And then of course now she dies.
01:06:46
So he thinks, oh, she went after him and now she's dead.
01:06:50
That shows God is on our side. I was like, no, that shows God
01:06:54
ain't got around to you yet 'cause what you die is some is
01:06:57
some deranged shit too, no? God on Darrell's side.
01:07:03
How about this? How about he on Laurent's side?
01:07:06
Let's let's put it like that. But so now you come in, they let
01:07:11
you free because they're saying your way doesn't work.
01:07:15
Our way doesn't work. So what are we going to do?
01:07:18
We're going to go together and now we're going to search for
01:07:22
this boy. All is forgiven and da da da.
01:07:25
And I was like, you know what? You bout to die too.
01:07:31
Because not only are you really believing in your own bullshit,
01:07:36
you're preaching this to your followers.
01:07:39
So now your followers. Are.
01:07:42
They going to sit here and think, Oh yeah, well, you know,
01:07:44
this is what's going to happen. We're going to, we're going to
01:07:46
join with the, what is it, Pavar de Vivant?
01:07:50
And we're, we're going to go get La Ront back and he's going to
01:07:54
be our leader and he's going to do.
01:07:56
I was like, you know, what, Did y'all not even remember that
01:07:59
this man was about to let a Walker bite La Ront just to
01:08:02
prove his point. I was like, OK, you know what?
01:08:04
Y'all totally missed that part. All of y'all can die at this
01:08:10
point. Y'all following this man blindly
01:08:12
like right? Kill someone for the sake you
01:08:16
know a perfectly. Good human.
01:08:17
Excuse me, let's kill a perfectly good child.
01:08:22
Yeah. And he can be our leader and he
01:08:26
can lead us into the future and blah blah blah blah blah.
01:08:30
It would be fine if y'all had this little fanatic obsession
01:08:34
with him, if y'all weren't trying to kill them.
01:08:37
And I understand things like this.
01:08:40
They all. There's always a sacrifice.
01:08:42
Whatever, I don't believe in that shit.
01:08:44
Leave the what the fuck alone? But they I'm sorry, I'm sorry at
01:08:50
this point with knowing that Daryl and Carol show up and
01:08:59
number one, LeBron is always safe, but everybody associated
01:09:03
with trying to harm them get fucked up.
01:09:06
What would you continue to go after them?
01:09:10
I'm sorry. Oh, they want to so and so went
01:09:13
after Oh, they did so and so went after Oh, they did so and
01:09:16
so went after they did. Our people would not read the
01:09:20
room. Read the fucking room.
01:09:22
They are not. Because everybody that goes
01:09:26
after them. Died right?
01:09:27
How many times is Madam Janae tried to kill Daryl and who
01:09:34
ended up dead hurt? Even though they don't know that
01:09:38
it was Carol but still they know they know the Americans are
01:09:42
together so one of them mother fuckers killed her.
01:09:45
Yeah, but most likely Daryl, because they know Daryl.
01:09:49
They know. Everybody know the American
01:09:50
Daryl. Everybody know the American
01:09:53
Daryl. They got American Carol at this
01:09:56
point. Does that mean?
01:10:00
But again, then I think it's common sense because here's the
01:10:03
thing, OK, Yeah. You know, Darrell, you know,
01:10:05
he's the American. You know, he's the one that's
01:10:06
been thwarting everybody's plans and doing this and doing that.
01:10:10
This bitch came from across the sea.
01:10:14
She found a way to get to Paris to come and rescue her BFF.
01:10:19
That's the one y'all need to be worried about because that's the
01:10:23
one that probably ain't got her screws in tight.
01:10:28
She got on a plane 12 years into a zombie apocalypse.
01:10:32
Yeah, I wouldn't have done that. And came to Paris to look for
01:10:37
her bestie. That's the woman y'all don't
01:10:40
want to fuck with. And Madam Janae found that out
01:10:42
the hard way. I'm telling.
01:10:47
You find out the hard way too. Find out the hard way what was
01:10:52
it you said, Casey? You said that's going to be a
01:10:54
good fight because Los sang going going to have his little
01:10:57
toothpick. Yeah, we're gonna have his
01:11:00
whatever. So yeah, that's coming even next
01:11:03
episode or the episode after that.
01:11:04
Because there has to be a thing now.
01:11:06
Because not only not only did you keep me prisoner and you
01:11:10
tortured me, but now you don't kill Isabel.
01:11:13
Regardless of how Daryl felt about her, whether he loved her
01:11:18
or not, that was still a friend. That was still somebody.
01:11:21
He may not have loved her romantically, but he loved her.
01:11:24
That was his friend. That was somebody he grew to
01:11:27
trust. And you killed her trying to
01:11:30
kill her nephew. Darrell is about to get that
01:11:34
ass. He is about to beat that ass.
01:11:38
Do you need to? And I'm ready for it.
01:11:41
I'm be like this. Watching with popcorn, sitting
01:11:48
there looking, 'cause that, that's the only thing you can do
01:11:51
now. Yeah, it's the only thing you
01:11:53
can do. So Los ain't got it coming.
01:11:58
He had it coming. He had it coming, just like she
01:12:03
did. He did, and it was marvelous.
01:12:07
It was great. I was like, oh, look at these
01:12:10
it. Was gross as hell.
01:12:12
I. Mean that part too.
01:12:13
But you know what also made me stop and think when when is
01:12:17
these people don't give up and be walkers because some of them
01:12:22
they get shot in the head? What's taking so long?
01:12:25
Where you mean at the nest? No, I'm talking about the house,
01:12:30
some of her stuff. I.
01:12:32
Figured when they buried old girl they probably went through
01:12:35
and make sure everybody was there.
01:12:36
OK, yeah, but still I thought somebody would turn.
01:12:38
Like even though I thought old girl was going to turn because
01:12:41
he'd been hit in there hugging her, it took her a while.
01:12:44
Well. Think about it because most of
01:12:46
the times when regular humans die, remember it kind of varies
01:12:51
how quick they turn. Us so it does vary so I assume
01:12:55
that couple of the you know so soldiers would have gotten up.
01:12:59
I'm just saying it's a couple, but I know that they took care.
01:13:03
It don't play, you know, it doesn't play with the emotions
01:13:06
that we were going with. So I know they took.
01:13:08
Care of it, they took care of it because.
01:13:10
Remember on on fear when fuck is his name?
01:13:15
I want to say Terry. I know that his name, but when
01:13:17
old boy, when they were killing the killing the people in timing
01:13:21
them Troy, that's when they were killing the people in timing
01:13:24
them in the in the seasons. So you know, they took them
01:13:29
about 10-15 minutes to turn. Yeah.
01:13:31
And then you have some who who turn a lot quicker than that.
01:13:34
So yeah. But I would assume they they
01:13:40
went through the house because they were like, yeah, this is
01:13:43
something we don't need to do. And even though I feel like if
01:13:47
that, I will say this. No, because Darryl, Darryl
01:13:51
probably would have done it too. If it wasn't for the fact that
01:13:56
they actually liked the old lady and they stayed to bury her,
01:14:01
they probably would have left that man in the house with all
01:14:04
the walkers. Like, you know what, you deserve
01:14:06
it. You, you brought this on
01:14:07
yourself. But at the same time, he was
01:14:10
trying to protect the woman. And even if Darryl and Carol had
01:14:15
left the village, Janae's soldiers probably would have
01:14:19
kept coming back. And again, if they've been
01:14:21
living there in peace for however many years they've been
01:14:24
there together, they probably will like, look, let's just give
01:14:28
them what they're looking for. They will leave us alone.
01:14:30
They will know that we, you know, that we are loyal.
01:14:33
We are not harboring criminals or fugitives or whatever.
01:14:38
And they'll leave us alone. So I think that was really his
01:14:42
his motivation. He just wanted to be left alone
01:14:45
with the woman he loved for however long they had.
01:14:48
And unfortunately, when you double cross Darryl and Carol,
01:14:52
that shit does not work out for you.
01:14:54
So. It don't even matter if you
01:14:56
double cross or not, if they enter your lives, it's over so.
01:15:04
Yeah, they show up. Michelle, they just, they just
01:15:06
show up and you're like, oh, it's my time to go.
01:15:10
I just don't know when. They they obviously wasn't
01:15:13
paying attention because I mean, Madam Janae should have
01:15:15
understood. Like how many times have you
01:15:18
tried to get Daryl at this point?
01:15:20
How many times have you well after you saw that small little?
01:15:24
Old lady. She's not really old, but when
01:15:27
you saw that old little lady duck behind, you see her duck
01:15:32
behind the big man, but when you see her Sprint to the Jeep, you
01:15:37
should have known something. Right.
01:15:40
Uneasy to kill? Y'all shot her in the shoulder
01:15:43
with one of your serum atom arrows or darts and she took
01:15:49
that shit out of her shoulder like it was nothing and was like
01:15:53
oh this what y'all want to do I got you bit and ran to the and
01:15:58
not only that all your soldiers and all that high tech machinery
01:16:06
y'all can shoot her not once Y'all can't even graze a leg
01:16:10
like that should have told you right then and there.
01:16:13
OK you know what we don't want to fuck with her.
01:16:16
We just going to leave her alone and.
01:16:19
Look. Oh, she's.
01:16:20
Going to go to Daryl so she can lead us to him.
01:16:23
That's what they should have done.
01:16:25
They should have just been like, OK, you know what, let's just
01:16:27
go. But of course they had their
01:16:29
walkers. The walkers were running.
01:16:33
They were going straight to the nest.
01:16:34
They were following Carol and Codron.
01:16:37
So I guess they were like, OK, you know what?
01:16:39
The walkers will finish what we what we started 'cause there
01:16:44
really isn't too many ways that they can get off of Mont St.
01:16:48
Michel. And then Codron, you know, he
01:16:52
gets off when Carol frees him, he goes and he's like, yeah,
01:16:56
I'll hold them off for you. Tell tell Dixon I did it for the
01:16:59
boy. I was like, OK, so maybe Codrone
01:17:03
didn't make it, but maybe he did.
01:17:05
Who knows? But he has clearly turned to
01:17:10
Daryl side and I hope him and Daryl get to have that
01:17:14
conversation and they can have that, you know.
01:17:18
So why have you been trying to kill me for the last six months?
01:17:20
Oh, because you killed my brother.
01:17:22
What makes you think I killed your brother?
01:17:24
Oh no, who is your brother? Right, right.
01:17:27
That too. Yeah, and that part like when
01:17:30
people at this point I don't. Know that girl in the grandpa
01:17:34
killed her because maybe once he maybe once cuz your own finds
01:17:38
out he'll feel justified because he did kill the old man.
01:17:42
I think he let the girl go if I remember correctly.
01:17:44
But you did kill the old man, so you did they get vengeance for
01:17:47
your brother in in some way? You just didn't know it.
01:17:51
So let's hope that he survived so they can at least have that
01:17:54
conversation. But I'm I, I kind of feel like
01:17:57
this too. Unless if Cadrone has survived,
01:18:01
if he decides to stay with Darryl and Carol, as far as like
01:18:08
trying to fight the newly formed, I don't know.
01:18:14
Whatever they call Union of Hope, whatever that combination
01:18:19
is, I don't know if he's going to survive because again,
01:18:24
they're moving to Spain for the third season.
01:18:27
We don't know where the storyline is going.
01:18:29
But is control really going to leave France?
01:18:31
Well, I guess, I guess at this point he really has no reason to
01:18:34
stay in France, if you think about it, because his brother's
01:18:39
gone. Most of his men are gone.
01:18:42
The person that he was employed by, she's dead.
01:18:46
Her people are now joined with MO Sang.
01:18:49
And if Cadrone is all about, oh, I, I believe in Laurent, he's
01:18:55
not going to follow them because they're trying to kill Laurent,
01:18:57
right? So maybe we'll maybe we'll
01:19:01
escape this season with one person from the show to go into
01:19:05
the next season. One person look.
01:19:07
'Cause everybody else dead. We already know what Sang is
01:19:10
about to die. Look Ash, 'cause you need the
01:19:13
pilot. Oh, well, yeah, and Ash.
01:19:14
But Ash started in the States, so I'm I'm talking about the
01:19:18
French people. We'll we'll have nobody.
01:19:21
You don't think a drone will make it?
01:19:23
No, the the the nest already on fire.
01:19:29
He. Probably got away.
01:19:32
But I'm saying that Sanctuary is on fire.
01:19:34
Like how you gonna fix that? What I mean, Los Angina are
01:19:39
still there because that's where they were meeting.
01:19:41
Yeah, but. OK.
01:19:42
So they probably put it on. Fire.
01:19:44
They probably put the fires out. And now that Madam and they
01:19:47
gone. Oh, you, you know when the what
01:19:49
they say when the when the hands away the fox, the playoff,
01:19:51
please that that's about to be chaos up in there.
01:19:54
Who's going? To run that.
01:19:56
Cause who's going to run that? They going to think they, you
01:19:59
know, with with the they. Already got Losang in charge the
01:20:02
way he came out when, what's the name, release them.
01:20:06
And he came out to speak to his followers and he was like
01:20:08
everything is forgiven, we're going to do blah blah, blah
01:20:13
yeah, you about to be the big bad and there was going to whoop
01:20:16
your ass sometime within the next two episodes.
01:20:19
You either going to be beat real bad or you going to die.
01:20:22
And I think you're going to die because there was going to be
01:20:26
pissed off because you killed Isabel and you left Laurent
01:20:28
alone. So yeah, left him with no family
01:20:32
now, no, no security, no people to protect him.
01:20:36
He took the closest thing he had to family.
01:20:39
You took his aunt, and you took the person who he grew up with
01:20:42
as his sister. Yeah.
01:20:45
So yeah. Los Angeles about to die.
01:20:49
He bout to die. He bout to die you.
01:20:52
Gonna die today. You gonna die today?
01:20:57
So we have two episodes left. There's two for the season and
01:21:05
then I believe, I believe Daryl Dixon season 3 should come out
01:21:10
next year because the one thing about the Daryl Dixon show, we
01:21:14
have not been getting long hiatuses with this show because
01:21:18
the first season released last year right around Dragon Con.
01:21:24
This season released, you know, right after Dragon Con in
01:21:29
September. So we may get the third season
01:21:33
by next fall if they keep on track.
01:21:36
I do know that Dead City is supposed to start sometime in
01:21:39
2025. And then Michelle, stop with
01:21:42
that face, stop with that face, stop with that face.
01:21:48
We don't, we don't see what to do.
01:21:51
But I think we'll get Daryl Dixon probably in in the fall,
01:21:56
especially since if I'm not mistaken, I think either they've
01:22:00
rapped or they're close to rapping because they've been
01:22:03
filming Season 3 for a minute. So I wonder if we'll give more
01:22:07
than six episodes. They're not going to give us
01:22:11
more than six episodes. 6 episodes seems to be the
01:22:14
standard now because even with shows that are coming out on
01:22:18
other streaming platforms, like one of the shows that we are
01:22:21
planning to cover on this podcast is the Doom Prophecy
01:22:26
series on Max, which is based on the Doom story.
01:22:33
I checked yesterday that only has 6 episodes.
01:22:37
Yeah, I'm like, OK, no, I think that one has eight.
01:22:42
That one may have 8:00. But even still, that's that's
01:22:47
short, short season. You know, we used to episode 12
01:22:50
episode seasons. Yeah, or even 23, but that's
01:22:54
network TV so I don't know. But I, I have seen some articles
01:23:00
lately where, you know, there have been people talking about
01:23:04
the shorter seasons and the long hiatuses and they're like, y'all
01:23:07
wonder why people don't pay attention to shit anymore.
01:23:10
And then you got play, you got streaming companies like Netflix
01:23:15
who are canceling right and left after one season.
01:23:18
Like y'all aren't even giving the shows a chance.
01:23:22
Why would you put so much money into 8 episodes, 10 episodes and
01:23:28
then not give it a chance to flourish?
01:23:30
I think all shows should have a two season minimum at least
01:23:34
because you might not get the the the you want with the first
01:23:40
season, but then you have you do a second season.
01:23:46
That might be where you get your audience.
01:23:48
Or I mean kind of like some of these other one season season
01:23:52
shows. Firefly is a perfect example.
01:23:55
You cancel it after one season because you think it's bad and
01:23:58
here it is 50 million years later, people still are into
01:24:02
Firefly. So I don't know.
01:24:07
But next, next fall, I hope we get the Daryl Dixon season 3.
01:24:12
Yes, I don't know what we're doing with with Madrid, but
01:24:20
again, it has to do. It's going to have to be
01:24:23
something about them trying to escape France and something
01:24:26
happens. Maybe maybe Ash's plane die out
01:24:33
plane. Maybe the plane runs out of fuel
01:24:36
again. Maybe he didn't fix the fuel
01:24:38
line properly or maybe Oh no, no, no, this is going to be the
01:24:42
real kicker. So if Daryl finds Laurent, finds
01:24:50
Falou, Falou may not leave France, but Daryl will probably
01:24:56
take Laurent with him to the States because that's what his
01:24:59
and him and Isabel were talking about, going to the States,
01:25:02
right? I don't think four people can
01:25:06
fit in Ashes. Plane Well, Ash can't die
01:25:11
because he's the only one who knows how to fly the.
01:25:14
Right, so he can't. Die unless Laurent has magical
01:25:17
powers. No, I don't think.
01:25:20
So he can't die till season 3 and I.
01:25:23
Told you that Ash is going to come back in season 3 with a kid
01:25:27
and a a wife because he's been sitting there with that plane
01:25:30
and he met a woman that had a kid after two we're just going
01:25:34
to see him at the end the end of the series go back to the plane
01:25:42
and he don't have a wife and kid he gonna.
01:25:45
Go back to the to Greenland. Ain't nobody left, at least not
01:25:52
that we know of. So, OK, so.
01:25:57
So we have to keep him honestly. But if he dies, we need someone
01:26:01
who know how to fly a plane or or a boat, right?
01:26:06
That's what I was going to say. A boat.
01:26:07
Because, well, Losang is still there.
01:26:10
Madam Sinead's people are still there, so they probably still
01:26:12
have control of the boats, but I mean when this is over.
01:26:17
They can get on the boat. Yeah, not going to get on the
01:26:20
plane. They can't with, not with four
01:26:23
people. So that means either somebody in
01:26:25
the group has to die, which means it'll probably end up
01:26:28
being Laurent or. No, he's not going to die.
01:26:31
They would not kill it. Well, we do kill it's.
01:26:33
Going to have to be the other. The only other real option would
01:26:39
be Carol because if there's a season 3 of Daryl Dixon, you're
01:26:43
not going to kill Daryl Dixon. If you kill can't kill Ash
01:26:48
because Ash is the pilot. No you can't kill Ash because
01:26:52
they can go home. Other options.
01:26:54
So Ash is is can die, Ash can die.
01:26:59
But I'm, I'm looking at the more immediate option.
01:27:01
I'm talking about if they are talking about using the plane.
01:27:04
If they're still talking about using the plane, it's not going
01:27:06
to work with the four of them because Ash flew that plane.
01:27:09
They're thinking they were going to pick up a 1212 years from
01:27:13
now. Sophia probably would have been,
01:27:16
at the very least, she would have been 2021, 2021, maybe 19,
01:27:25
because I don't remember how old she was when she died, But she
01:27:27
and Carl were somewhere around the same age.
01:27:29
So she had to be somewhere between, like, 8:00 and 11:00
01:27:33
because I think Carl was supposed to be like, right
01:27:35
around 8:00 or 9:00 when we met him.
01:27:38
So yeah, you're expecting to had, you know, bring this woman.
01:27:47
She's not going to, she's not going to weigh a lot.
01:27:49
Just just thinking default wise, you're probably thinking slim
01:27:54
build. Carol is not a big person, so
01:27:56
Sophia might have taken after her.
01:27:58
She would have been slim build. She would have been slight.
01:28:00
She would have been light, not too heavy.
01:28:03
You can fly with the three of those on that plane.
01:28:05
You can't get somebody of Daryl's size and Lauren and
01:28:09
Carol and Ash on that plane. So either y'all don't take the
01:28:14
plane and all of y'all leave, or somebody takes the plane and
01:28:18
either somebody dies or someone gets left behind.
01:28:22
Maybe that's how they end up in Spain because they're like, OK,
01:28:25
will you go on the plane? We're going to go this.
01:28:28
There's so many possibilities, but.
01:28:31
All four, maybe they all try to fit and they they all try to fit
01:28:35
and they don't. As far as they get in Spain,
01:28:37
yeah, that's possible. That could be, yeah, I think.
01:28:40
That. It it'll just be low flying, you
01:28:43
know, fun, get you up high enough to be out of danger and
01:28:47
but it. But the end, the end, end.
01:28:51
I think Laurent will go back to the States and he would try to
01:28:56
spit some game with Judith and she going to be like, no, that
01:28:59
don't work, but we could be cousins.
01:29:04
That's what's going to happen. Yeah, that's big game 'cause
01:29:07
we're not going to kill a Ron. I mean, we're really not.
01:29:10
And if you kill Carol, I'm like, done.
01:29:14
Yeah, I don't think Carol would die either.
01:29:15
You can't go. You can.
01:29:17
OK, first of all, I can't. It will 'cause if you kill
01:29:21
either one of them, right? Period.
01:29:23
They survived this too long. And for her to get all the way
01:29:28
to Paris, go through everything she went through to get this,
01:29:30
that's kill her. All that and I said then last
01:29:33
episode, but. Because at the end they have to
01:29:36
make it back to the Commonwealth.
01:29:38
It whatever that looks like their final season last episode.
01:29:43
Same way God damn the ones who live, you got to make it back to
01:29:47
the Commonwealth. Yeah.
01:29:48
So be fucking for real. They ain't going to give up.
01:29:52
Yeah, so again. But they're going to make it.
01:29:56
Yeah, but they can't put all them people on the plane, so we.
01:30:01
Just got to get home a different way.
01:30:02
We just got to get home a different way.
01:30:05
But you can't drive from Spain to America.
01:30:08
No, no, but, but they can. I mean, we don't, we don't know
01:30:13
what what's going on in other countries.
01:30:15
So we don't know what Spain may have access to.
01:30:18
We don't know what what the situation is there.
01:30:21
So, you know, just like in France, they did everything with
01:30:24
boats and they have a lot of boats.
01:30:26
They might have planes in Spain and the span, you know, the
01:30:29
people in Madrid were probably like, yeah, if this is what it
01:30:33
looked like here, We're not going nowhere else in the world.
01:30:35
We don't care about them. We just don't keep our shit to
01:30:37
ourselves. They they could very well do
01:30:39
that. So I don't know.
01:30:42
We'll, I think we'll probably be better able to figure out or to
01:30:47
guess what's going on. Maybe after next episode, but
01:30:54
definitely by episode 6 we going to figure out what the hell is
01:30:57
going on. But I think it's fun to try to
01:30:59
guess because there are, you know, when you start talking
01:31:02
about it, when we start talking about it, there are more
01:31:04
scenarios than we think, you know, because the plane is not
01:31:09
the only thing available. They could, like we said, get on
01:31:14
a boat. They could travel to other
01:31:16
countries and then make their way that way.
01:31:20
We don't know. But no, I don't think Carol is
01:31:24
going to die. But I'm just saying, if that was
01:31:27
something maybe, and we don't know, maybe Melissa McBride was
01:31:30
like, you know what, I'll come back and do this season, but I'm
01:31:34
tired. I don't want to do this anymore.
01:31:36
She could very well have said that.
01:31:38
Yeah, and she could say she want wants to die.
01:31:41
And you know what? If she does, it will be she
01:31:43
sacrificed herself to say Daryl and Laura.
01:31:46
Yeah, and now? I don't like that, but I'm OK
01:31:49
because I get that because she will say don't keep me alive
01:31:52
because that means I have a possibility having to come back
01:31:55
and we negotiate back and forth about me coming back and I don't
01:31:59
want to come back, but that would make it where I'm never
01:32:03
coming back. Yeah, but I don't think that's
01:32:05
going to happen either. I don't think Darrell or Carol
01:32:10
would be killed. The only reason why I would say
01:32:14
that they probably would kill Laurent is because I know when
01:32:19
it comes to this show and emotional ties with characters
01:32:23
or whatever they really don't care especially even when it
01:32:27
comes to children because y'all kill Carl off and Carl should
01:32:32
still be here so. Yeah, but we know why.
01:32:35
So that's that. And I and I understand it, but
01:32:39
but taking all of that out, taking all of that out, if you
01:32:41
just looking at the story. It makes no sense for Laurent to
01:32:47
die and. It makes sense for Carl.
01:32:49
To die, but Carl had to die because we couldn't.
01:32:52
We couldn't keep Carl. So you have to think of another
01:32:55
kid who was willing to stay. I'm just saying Carl had to go.
01:33:00
It's not like we haven't killed children on this show before.
01:33:03
No, we have. We have killed, but I'm just
01:33:07
saying Laurent because we making Dale invest in this kid for him
01:33:14
to die at the end and then Daryl come back that that's there was
01:33:19
no point. It was a point for Isabel to to
01:33:23
move the story on. There's no point.
01:33:25
Things have happened it. Has, but I just feel like
01:33:28
Laurent will come to America now if he died later.
01:33:32
OK, sure. You know, when they go try to
01:33:37
save Maggie or something, Laurent may die.
01:33:43
And we'd be like, oh, poor Laurent, he came to America.
01:33:45
Lasted a month. I mean, yeah, but Daryl got him
01:33:49
here, and Daryl kept his promise.
01:33:51
So we need him to keep his promise and to do what he need
01:33:55
needed to. See and then see.
01:33:56
For me, that would be that would be the part that makes no sense.
01:34:00
You get you make you keep your promise, you keep them safe.
01:34:03
You get them all the way to the Americas and then he dies
01:34:05
because then you're going to have their guilt like, Oh, I
01:34:08
should have just left them in front.
01:34:09
So that's fine. Again, look, we we can put
01:34:13
everything on one of those wheels and just kind of spin for
01:34:16
the possibilities and determine like that.
01:34:19
You know, I said something about having a Deadpool for, I don't
01:34:22
remember if it was this show or something else we were talking
01:34:25
about, but I'm like, yeah, maybe we should just put down our
01:34:28
predictions on how this season will end and then just go back
01:34:33
and see which one of us was right.
01:34:35
Or, you know, that might be funny.
01:34:38
We'll do that for Season 3. Right.
01:34:41
How will this end? Because it may be the end of two
01:34:43
and Leroy's dead and we're going on to Season 3.
01:34:45
We like what what happened. And I'm going to be like I told
01:34:48
you also. But Carrie and Noah, So what
01:34:51
they're going to do is at. That point, Season 3 just going
01:34:54
to be about getting home hell. Yeah, well, you know, you know
01:34:58
they go. They'll be like the equalizer.
01:35:00
He just going to be taking out his revenge.
01:35:03
Yeah, and, you know, they are very good about.
01:35:08
Oh, wait, OK, I'm gonna hold that thought.
01:35:14
But, you know, they are very good for introducing.
01:35:16
And I'm not talking about just Walking Dead, but, you know, TV
01:35:19
shows have a very good track record of introducing the new
01:35:24
big bad in the very last episode of the season.
01:35:28
That might carry us on. But I just thought about
01:35:32
something as far as Spain goes. What?
01:35:37
Who's in Spain? Not even who's in Spain.
01:35:42
Placenta is a Spanish name, isn't it?
01:35:48
Yeah, what do you carry? On maybe she going to be the big
01:35:56
bad because remember she's the one that's been kind of standing
01:36:00
behind low saying pushing him to do stuff.
01:36:04
So maybe. She works for a big bad or
01:36:08
organization. Either there or if Daryl if
01:36:12
Daryl kills Lo sang, her sensor is right there.
01:36:15
If she's Lo sangs second in command she might be the one to
01:36:19
move the the movement further. And if she's if they're still
01:36:24
after Daryl, maybe they'll go to Spain for that.
01:36:28
I'm just saying because other than that I can't think of any
01:36:31
other reason why they would go to Madrid.
01:36:35
Except for that plane falling out the sky.
01:36:39
Right, so. But you wouldn't even go that
01:36:42
direction. Right.
01:36:44
And that's what I was thinking because I was like, isn't
01:36:47
staying on the other side like not towards the ocean?
01:36:54
It's South of them. Let's see.
01:36:58
OK. Yeah, South of them.
01:36:59
I'm looking it up too. So yeah, I yeah, OK, so so we'll
01:37:12
think about this a little bit more and then maybe episode 6,
01:37:16
we'll all have our theories as far as what takes them to Spain.
01:37:21
Yeah, I mean, Spain is South of France, but Madrid is super
01:37:26
inland. It ain't nowhere near the water.
01:37:29
So that so that makes no OK. You have to keep it really.
01:37:37
It really doesn't so. Unless they're doing that to
01:37:42
kind of throw off Losang and his followers, because if they have
01:37:46
a plane low and and Losang finds this out, he could probably be
01:37:51
like, oh, they're going to go. They're going to go home now.
01:37:55
I don't, I would say on a regular, if it was a regular
01:38:00
situation, no saying is not about to go to the to the United
01:38:03
States. But if Daryl has la want, that
01:38:08
might be enough motivation for him to go to the States to try
01:38:13
to get Laurent back. Because remember, he doesn't
01:38:15
want to kill Laurent per SE. He wants to do this ceremony to,
01:38:22
to prove that Laurent can survive the bite.
01:38:25
That is his whole thing. It's not like he was trying to
01:38:28
kill Laurent. Whereas Madam Janae was
01:38:31
definitely trying to kill Laurent because Laurent
01:38:35
contradicted what she was trying to do.
01:38:39
So I guess we'll figure it out. Like I said, we'll, we'll watch
01:38:45
Episode 5 and then if we don't have anything in that episode to
01:38:50
tell us or to point us towards Madrid and what might happen to
01:38:55
get them there, then we can maybe, you know, put out our
01:39:00
theories on what's going to happen in Episode 6 and how to
01:39:03
end up in Madrid. Because again, right now, with
01:39:05
us not knowing, the possibilities are endless.
01:39:11
Absolutely right. And we really need to know how
01:39:12
they got there because if they right, that's two hours and some
01:39:17
change. If they walk, it's 273 hours.
01:39:23
If they're in a car. That said, I had to look it up.
01:39:28
If they're in a car, oh, it's what, 1312 hours?
01:39:36
OK. And that's that's on, that's on
01:39:39
regular Rd. So that's not considering that
01:39:42
they may run out of gas that the vehicles have may have been
01:39:45
sitting there for however long. That's not counting that they
01:39:49
may encounter walkers or they may counter encounter other
01:39:53
hostile people. So that's best case scenario.
01:39:58
So yeah, so we'll think. That's just that's, I don't
01:40:02
know. We.
01:40:02
I don't know. We'll watch episode 5 and then
01:40:05
we'll think about our theories and then we'll put them out
01:40:08
there and then we'll see how how things go.
01:40:11
Yep. Sound good?
01:40:13
Sound like a plan? Sound like.
01:40:15
Yeah, sound like a plan. You guys have any final thoughts
01:40:17
about this episode? No, go try it and get back.
01:40:24
Away. Wait, what you say, Casey?
01:40:26
I said. I'm just glad they're back
01:40:27
together now. They get over on this in
01:40:30
fighting and act like they love each other.
01:40:33
Right and, and go kill those things.
01:40:35
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