#daryldixon #thebookofcarol #thewalkingdead In the season 2 premiere, Daryl tries to find his place within The Nest, but his methods may be distracting Laurent from their purpose. A rescue mission puts Daryl face-to-face with the enemy. Back in the States, Carol comes looking for Daryl and finds help in an unexpected way.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Casey and Michelle. Everybody's here and everybody's
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back. Yay.
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Hello, hello. We're discussing the Season 2
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premiere of The Daryl Dixon Show, in which Carol manages to
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uphold tradition by bringing someone's destruction within 24
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hours of me. Clearly wasted no time.
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None. None at all.
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Oh goodness. OK, let's start 'cause I have a
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lot to say about this episode. Do we want to start with the
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France stuff first or do we want to start with the state side
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stuff first? Where do we want to go, Darryl?
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Wait, I say let's start with Darryl and we eat with Carol.
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Yeah, let's get Darryl. Let's just go ahead and get that
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out the way. Gonna go ahead and get Darryl
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out the way, OK? All right, so following up on
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the season 1 finale, we know that Daryl was this close to
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making it on a boat to coming home.
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And of course, Laurent showed up at the last minute.
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Oh, happy go lucky this like, yes, I know you're trying to go
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home and I'm about to ruin it, but OK.
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So Daryl obviously comes back with Laurent.
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It's now been about two weeks, according to what Daryl has
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said, he's been trying to train the one on how to kill the
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walkers and everything. But let me tell you again, and
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we said this in the last episode, the thing that bothers
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me about these people at the Nest, good intentions and all,
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what they keep trying to do is at least in the first season,
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they kept pushing the whole thing of Daryl, oh, you should
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stay here. You know, maybe there's a place
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for you here. Maybe this is where you're
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supposed to be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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We really need you. Laurent has never had anybody
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with your kind of influence. OK, so y'all convinced this boy
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to stay and now that he's staying and he's doing the
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things that he's good at doing and that he thinks he needs to
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be there doing, now y'all want to try to tell him that he don't
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need to be doing this? Oh, you're, you're you're
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distracting Laurent. Laurent is meant for greater
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things and he shouldn't be learning about violence and
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this. And exactly what I said when
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that was happening, this is some bullshit.
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That boy needs to learn how to survive.
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We just talked about he's not trained, he doesn't know what
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he's doing. He off exploring the world and
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not realizing that this danger I'm all for.
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We gonna have we get back to the regular society.
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We're gonna get education. We're gonna go back to middle
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school, high school, university. I get all of that learning about
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history of the world, I give it, but you need to look outside
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your window. If that shit comes crashing down
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right will y'all be? I feel bad 'cause those people
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in that building will not make it.
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The fathers die and they are toast.
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He needs to learn how to fight and survive.
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It's too violent. Violent violence.
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Pulling out your intestines, That's violent because you don't
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know how to fight back. OK, I'm done.
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That's all right. Because even Darrell was like,
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so that's more important. You know, it's more important
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that he stay alive, right? Right.
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Right purpose. Is it to be alive, to be here,
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to be what you need me to be if I'm?
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Right, you can find a balance. You can he needs to train
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because he has never been trained.
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He he will. He was taught that they had a
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soul and they need to don't kill him.
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But he realized that's not working.
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He needs to learn how to to make it right because if y'all go on
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the field trip and they run into some walkers, what y'all gonna
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do? Like one person can't protect
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the whole herd of people because y'all feel like it's too beneath
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you to learn how to fight back. And I, I really, I really feel
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like they're just, it's interesting because that whole
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movement has been about one thing, like preserving humanity,
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bringing back the human race and all this other stuff.
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So I understand on on some level wanting to have that mindset,
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but I think also you guys have been in the mindset Michelle too
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long and you've had very little exposure to walkers except for
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those who actually go out. But other than that, you guys
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are on this. Basically, it's like an island,
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you know, it's very inaccessible.
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If the tide is in, you can't get to it except by boat.
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And then when the tide is out, like who really is going out
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there? No, it it it just they take
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their circumstances for granted and they're being very naive
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about it. Also, you may have a group of
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people who may want to come over and take over.
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And see, that's the interesting thing.
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You want to know what's to protect, right?
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I guess a regular human, but. This is the interesting thing,
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because if they've been holed up in the Mont Saint Michelle that
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long, nobody has tried to come in, infiltrate Like nobody in
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France thought, oh, that's a great big structure.
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That would be a perfect place for us to have walls.
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We got they got walls. You have vantage points, You you
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can literally see all around because there's no trees.
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It's it's surrounded by water. So that OK, that would have been
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a perfect setting for like Padre.
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If you think about it, something like that, because you literally
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can see everything. You can't really be taken
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surprised by anything, which is probably what lends to that
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naivete that they have about Oh well you know the right doesn't
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need to be learning about this and no violence and blah blah
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blah. Do soon as y'all start talking
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like that, that means that at some point some of y'all about
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to start dying. But they right and they are too
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far into the apocalypse. We we 1415 years in.
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They're way too far in for. People to sit to.
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Get ignorant, touch yourself. Yeah, right.
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Just to you have to again, have a balance, some self-defense.
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And he's young, so he needs to learn how to do it now that
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part. The same way that the the
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Common, not Commonwealth, the Alexandria, I was going to get
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it together. Same way they were trying to
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teach. Stay young, they'll be able to
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survive. Yeah, but I mean if you think.
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About this place ain't going to make it, yeah.
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But you don't think about it. The Alexandrans weren't doing it
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either. It wasn't a true reckon them got
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there. That's true, of course.
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Yeah, 'cause when you say how many of y'all do I got to kill
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or you realize, But they had a, a false sense of security too,
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because of the the corral, the quarry, I mean, where all the
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walkers had happened to be, right?
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Like y'all, y'all can't believe that just because nothing
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happened yet that it ain't gonna happen.
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Right, and be prepared for when something happens cause 'cause
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like Michelle had nothing, nothing in place.
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Michelle say Rick's groupies, they destroy everything.
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Well, to be fair, that one of. Them show up, just be prepared.
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Well, one of them did show up and he's there.
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It just will take a little longer for it to be destroyed.
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His name is there, so and now. He's trying to low key prepare
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because you know, it was it the last episode or last last
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episode where he had the people on top and they was teaching.
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He was trying to teach them how to load their guns and fire
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their weapons. Yeah.
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But it it if Lu Sang is just like, oh, no, we don't want that
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violence. Yeah.
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I'll go die. Well, this is this is just how I
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feel about it. Daryl may not be causing the
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chaos right now. I mean, he did 'cause some chaos
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with Madam Janae stuff, but truth be told, she deserved it
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and her people deserved it. But if Daryl needs to be
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preparing them for anything right now, he needs to be
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preparing them for, for Carol, 'cause once Carol get to France,
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I'm sorry, everything is everything is just done.
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Everything. Everything is just done so but
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anyway, we're not going to talk about Carolyn yet because that's
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a lot but OK, going back to going back to Darren, going back
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to France. So we find out towards the
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beginning again, this is 2 weeks after Daryl's, you know,
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attempts to go home have been thwarted.
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And in that time, Madam Janae's forces have captured some of the
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rebels, including Falou and Emil.
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So of course Sylvie and Isabel are worried because they're
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like, these are the people who helped us get here.
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Like we have to do something. Lo saying is he's exercising
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caution, saying, yes, we're going to go do something, but we
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have to be careful because we have to make sure that we're not
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found out, you know? But dad was like, look, if
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Matthew Janae hangs them, she's going to torture them for
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information, and then she's going to kill him if she can't
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get anything from them, like he even says, I don't think they
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would give us up. So in that case, she's going to
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kill them, Yeah. She ain't gonna waste no time.
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Right. And at this point, you know, you
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start seeing like a little bit of that dynamic between Losang
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and Daryl because Daryl clearly knows what the fuck he is doing
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out here in this world. I'm not going to say Losang
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doesn't because I'm sure he is aware of the danger, but I don't
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think he has the first experience like Daryl does.
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So it's like when you're listening to them talk, it's
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like I I hear low saying, I hear him trying to hold on to
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humanity, trying to hold on to, you know, following a certain
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path. And I'm like, Boo, this is not
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this is not going to work at. And you know, we make the joke
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all the time about Rick and his people coming in and destroying
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places. But truth be told, they're not
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the ones who are destroying the places, it's just the fact that
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they're the ones that's opening up everybody else's eyes because
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y'all haven't been dealing with this stuff.
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So the minute y'all have to deal with this, yes, y'all are going
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to end up losing more people and things are going to be more
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catastrophic because you don't know how to deal with this shit.
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Yep, if we really look at it in that way.
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The variety of what Darryl has gone through, you got, let's go
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from the beginning until this point.
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So a different type of people. We got people eating you, you
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know what I'm saying? We have territorial people,
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territorial people, people wearing masks, people wearing.
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Masks of the Dead. To right Oh well that right
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there they will not even understand how that even was
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horrible. Then the government trying to a
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small little two man government trying to take over everyone
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Commonwealth. You know, they have experience
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in that and you've been in your little castle and like, oh it,
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you know, we're just going to carry on with school.
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We don't need really everyone learning how to.
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Fight waiting for the for the Messiah to come and save the
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song. Well, I'm going to tell you
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something. Messiah knows how to fight, so
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you better train a little boy if he is he's.
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Not he needs to. Because Remember, Remember at
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the I meant it had to be the season finale when it was the
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dream sequence that Darrell was in when he was trying to catch
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Laron and Laron was in the middle of all the walkers and
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was just like this. Praying.
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Uh huh, that's. Literally what the people of the
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Nessa believe. That's their vision.
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Oh, he won't be harmed. No harm will come to him because
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he is the one who who's here to save us.
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Right. So walkers, you know, they, they
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he's immune, basically. Yeah.
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OK. OK, OK, let's get a Walker and
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see if we're walking on by him. Because that's right, if he was
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immune, those walkers in the beginning that he had to kill
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wouldn't have been trying to get him right?
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And he wouldn't have been scared him.
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Or even let's go back a little bit further when he was in Paris
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and he went to the Eiffel Tower, like if he was immune in that
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sense. And again, I'm going back, we
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referenced World War Z like a few weeks ago.
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I think we were talking about this and we may have been
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talking about something else, but remember World War Z, those
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zombies kind of went past people who had been sick or people who
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had like cancer or that kind of, you know, it was almost like it.
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It covered them in the same way that it shielded them, in the
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same way like Michelle's walkers did, you know?
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So it's kind of like when you look at Daryl's dream that he
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had about Laurent back then, you're wondering, is that the
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same thing like with the walkers really walk past him what we've
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seen since then? No, that's not the case.
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The walkers will go straight for him.
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I mean, he was hiding up under something and one of the walkers
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got down on his knees and tried to get to him, right?
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But obviously he's not invisible to them.
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So I don't know. It's kind of like what you said,
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Michelle, how, how are you going to test this theory of him
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saving the world? Like what is he supposed to do?
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Is he supposed to be a cure? Is he supposed to be immune?
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Both. How are you going to do that?
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How are you going to test that? I, I really feel like if we're
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going that route, I feel like it's more of they need to get
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him to a researcher, medical researcher.
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It's more what could be in his blood, right?
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But I mean, but that's. In the perfect world.
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Well, I mean, it could be in this world too, if they still
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have researchers active in Paris.
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I mean, again, they do go back to world beyond.
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They do. They own that ship and they
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doing some other stuff. I'm just saying most of those.
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People on the ship or are. They they probably some other
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researchers. Yeah, they're probably some
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other ones. But they, they on the wrong
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side. Yeah, they on the wrong side
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though. But then also, like in World
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Beyond, we had those researchers and Dr. Bennett, and was it Iris
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of Hope, Hope, hope? They were, they stayed behind.
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They're still trying to work on a cure or trying to work on, you
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know, a vaccine or something that will keep the change from
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happening. But it's like we hadn't seen a
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plethora of researchers. We've seen doctors.
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Yes, Doctor Emerson, I'm gonna go back to him and tells we saw
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him. But again, he's way off in an
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isolated part of the world, too. So it's like all these people
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who may be able to do something, they're not in the same spot
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together. So it's like you really don't
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have many options as far as testing this theory out.
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And again, going back to our discussion from the last
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episode. So what's the theory?
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What are we doing with Lauren? Because they still haven't
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really said aside from he's the Messiah, he's going to save
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everyone. Y'all still ain't explained to
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us how this is going to happen, which worries me because again,
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going back to The Last of Us, the way that y'all were going to
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use Ellie to save the world was you were going to kill her and
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then take what was, you know, in her brain and in her brain stem
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and use that to, I don't know, mass inoculate everyone,
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whatever. But that that wouldn't have
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worked out well for her. She would have been dead if it
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wasn't for Joel stepping in. So is that going to be a similar
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situation with Laurent? Are they going to try to kill
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Laurent to do this or are they going to, like you said,
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Michelle exposed him to something and then what?
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Dad was going to have to go in and save him.
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And it's just, it's too much right now that we still don't
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know. And we're now 7 episodes into
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this whole show. We really don't know what the
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next purpose is. And I'm going to be honest,
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watching this particular episode to not trust no Sang.
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I'm not saying I feel like he is being deceptive, but there's
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something that I feel like is not being said, especially with
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his, I guess that's his assistant because she's the one
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who keeps saying something about we need to do the ceremony.
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He's like, no, he's not ready for the ceremony.
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What ceremony are y'all talking about?
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What y'all doing? What what What are y'all doing?
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I'm scared. You probably should be.
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Yeah, it's time to go when you talk about some ceremony with
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this ceremony. Right, especially in apocalyptic
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or? Right.
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Yeah, You know, it's. Topian landscapes, that's never
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a good thing. But aside from the nest.
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OK, so Daryl, I guess, finally convinces Lo, saying that, hey,
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we need to go ahead and do what we need to do to rescue our
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people 'cause it's not just for Lou and Emil.
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I think there are some people from the nest that have also
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been captured. So Daryl does lead a group of
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people to try to intercept the transport with Falou and Emil
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and I. I'm trying not to be skeptic,
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but the fact that Daryl planned something and it didn't go the
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way that it was supposed to until later, like with that
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little explosion that didn't happen.
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And then of course, some people did end up getting killed
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because they had to shoot out, even though the goal was not to
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kill anybody. But one, it makes me feel like
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something like, I don't know, something about that whole
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situation is not right. And then two Madam Janae is
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there. Why are you hesitating to kill
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this bitch you have? He wasn't.
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He was he was reloading his gun. He.
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No, he was hesitating too slow. He was.
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He was. I'm sorry.
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She's like Casey. Yeah, she.
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And she is not a young chicken to be moving that fast.
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So he was moving slow. Especially being injured, she
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was. Injured.
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I'm so sorry, yeah. Daryl, Daryl lifted the gun up
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and was just looking at her while she was doing her little,
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her little villain monologue. Whatever, Daryl, anybody else
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Daryl would have lifted up that gun and shot them immediately.
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But I I don't know because you yourself told LO saying she's
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not going to stop and y'all already know she's not going to
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stop until she gets Laurent. Why would you hesitate?
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You just should have shot her. I'm I'm confused.
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You could have been. You could have been done with.
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All of this, Look, it's show over.
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Right. Like, oh hey, guess what, Madam
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Janae is dead. Laurent doesn't have to run for
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his life anymore. Be safe.
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Yeah, Yes. And I'm sitting here looking at
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it in the background. She's sitting here talking to
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him, leaning up against that gas thing, and he's looking at her.
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He reaches slowly into his pocket, he reloads, and then he
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does the gun like this before taking aim.
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Dude, you could have killed her 56789 times by now and now you
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hesitate. And why you hesitate?
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The explosion finally goes off in the back.
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You turn around and look and she's gone.
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I'm like. He was trying.
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No, he would, Darryl. Does not have to try.
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Darryl has done this 1 times.
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Yeah, there is no, if it was somebody else, I would been like
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oh, OK, but. You know better, right?
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Yes, it could have ended there. It could have.
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But we all know that there has to be a point where we need them
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for something else. So I get it.
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Yes, we could have killed her and been over, but then the show
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would be over. No 'cause we should have known.
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OK, OK, say he killed her. There's other villains, say he
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killed. So say he killed her, then what?
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Then what? Why, man?
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Well, 'cause I was gonna say we didn't see Quadrone in this
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episode, so we don't know where he is.
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I mean, I know Madam Janet had him taken off, you know,
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whatever. But.
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He could have the likelihood that he's still around on her
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good side. It's very low.
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I was gonna say. He could have talked, 'cause he
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killed her man, he killed her man and then lied to her.
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Yeah, or attempted to lie. Yeah.
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He finally told the truth. Yeah, and told it all.
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So he ain't on her good side. I we just gonna take him out the
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picture. Who's left cause Quinn dead now.
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What would what would be the point?
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It would just then become the ones that live where where Carol
00:23:14
is just trying to find Darryl. Right, gotcha, right 'cause it
00:23:21
only threat at this point is the walkers cause no, and nobody
00:23:25
else is really looking for Darryl.
00:23:27
Janay is the only one who was like the American, the American,
00:23:30
the American. But but at this point, even if
00:23:34
oh boy got lose, you're gonna fuck me up.
00:23:37
You know he fucked up somewhere. Yeah, yeah.
00:23:40
In the dungeon in, you know, growing a beard like he been
00:23:43
there for 10 years, you know, you know, he probably oh, you,
00:23:46
you know what I'm saying? When when they throw you, throw
00:23:48
you away to keep you. I mean, put you in the dungeon,
00:23:49
throw away to keep. Yeah.
00:23:51
So he if in the the the weird world that we live in, Daryl
00:23:57
ends up saving him. OK, so now you.
00:23:59
Know that you know that's probably going to happen because
00:24:01
he let them that's. What I'm saying in this weird,
00:24:04
weird world because he cause see he already saved him when he did
00:24:10
when he killed all the men. So now turn about his fair play.
00:24:13
Now Darrell got to save his ass. And I get that.
00:24:16
I guess, I guess the other question I have is, do we really
00:24:19
think Madam Janay is working on her own?
00:24:23
Because if you think about it, this is a huge, huge operation
00:24:27
that she has trying to re, you know, reunify, trying to reunify
00:24:34
France and having this big military in a time of chaos.
00:24:40
You know, it would have been easier, I think, had it been the
00:24:44
older times, had it been regular times and there was more of more
00:24:51
of a system set in place, more accountability.
00:24:54
But she is one woman with all of these people.
00:24:58
Do you really think she is working on her own?
00:25:00
Because I mean, think about it, just like in The World Beyond,
00:25:04
when we thought that what's her name, Elizabeth, we thought she
00:25:10
was the head honcho and then turns out, Oh no, there was
00:25:13
somebody else bigger, you know? I mean, there's always somebody
00:25:17
else bigger. Always.
00:25:19
So that's my question. Like OK, so who is The Who is
00:25:23
the next big bad above Benjana? Because if Daryl had killed her,
00:25:28
I don't think it would have ended there because she does
00:25:30
still have people that are loyal to her who probably would have
00:25:33
been like, oh, we really got to go find him now?
00:25:36
Or would there have been somebody else who would have
00:25:38
been like, oh, OK. Oh, well, you know what?
00:25:40
Marie, no, I don't think she has that much power.
00:25:45
But I'm just saying. But I mean, I'm just saying
00:25:49
like, if you think about it, she was Quinn's girlfriend.
00:25:53
So she might have some people who were working for him who
00:25:57
might be loyal to her. And especially now that Quinn is
00:26:01
dead. I'm just I'm just throwing some
00:26:04
stuff out there because I'm trying to, I'm trying to think
00:26:07
of where this can go because again, we already know the show
00:26:10
has been renewed for Season 3. They're currently filming.
00:26:13
There are rumors that they have been renewed for season 4.
00:26:16
So I'm just thinking this whole Madam Janae thing.
00:26:20
Like one thing we have learned about the villains in The
00:26:24
Walking Dead world, they rarely last more.
00:26:27
Than two seasons, right? So it has to be, it's going to
00:26:33
be someone, it'll be something else that they get into, right?
00:26:37
Yeah, so. 'Cause you really don't know.
00:26:40
We know Madam Janay, but we don't know if she's also having
00:26:43
issues with someone else. And that was.
00:26:46
You don't see that side because it's not her perspective, it's
00:26:49
just her dealing with Darrell and this group.
00:26:52
But she could be going to war with someone else and then
00:26:55
that's the bigger bad. That's who we fear.
00:26:58
Because other than that, like, you know.
00:27:01
Or some scientists gone mad and another group they encounter
00:27:05
thinking they're going to help Laurent and like it end up being
00:27:08
the Last of Us and they trying to kill him.
00:27:10
You know, they all sweet and stuff like, oh, we'll take care
00:27:13
of him. This is school so great.
00:27:15
And turned out to be an issue. Yeah.
00:27:18
But they got to be somebody really big and bad because we
00:27:22
got to be Carol involved, you know?
00:27:25
However, Carol can be big and bad as just being a housewife
00:27:29
baking cookies so she don't have to be fighting.
00:27:34
Right, but we all know that Carol don't play, especially
00:27:37
when it come to her family and her friends.
00:27:40
Right. He's not about to play about
00:27:42
Daryl. Yeah.
00:27:43
And if she gets to the point where she couldn't, you know,
00:27:47
gets in in in contact with not contact, but, you know, a
00:27:50
proximity to Janae and she figures out.
00:27:55
Oh, you looking for the American, my friend?
00:27:57
You looking for my friend? Yeah, you.
00:28:00
Know Carol gonna be sweet and nice and like, Oh yes, but you
00:28:04
already know Carol is ruthless. Yeah.
00:28:07
And you know what, that's going to be a situation where it
00:28:12
really is going to be interesting because if if Carol
00:28:15
ends up in France, which we already see, like towards the
00:28:19
end of this episode, she is well on her way.
00:28:22
OK, so let's say she does make it to France.
00:28:25
Let's say in all of that, like France is a huge country.
00:28:30
Let's say she gets wind of where Daryl is.
00:28:33
I mean, if you think about it, one, we don't see a lot of
00:28:37
people in France to begin with. You don't see you hardly see
00:28:41
walkers at all. Like even when they're just
00:28:44
traipsing through the countryside, barely any walkers.
00:28:47
So for her to pick up any clues about where he is, that's going
00:28:52
to be hard enough. But if she starts asking
00:28:56
questions and the people around there already know about Daryl's
00:29:01
reputation, the American, the American, You mean to tell me
00:29:05
1415 years into the apocalypse and we have not one, but just,
00:29:09
but two Americans just pop up in France, You know, they're going
00:29:13
to tie them together because that's too much of a
00:29:15
coincidence. So I think if that were to
00:29:18
happen and Carol does meet up with Madam Janae, once Madam
00:29:24
Janae realizes she's American, that's automatically going to be
00:29:27
suspicious to her. I don't know if Carol will be
00:29:30
able to pull off the, you know, the ignorant happy housewife,
00:29:35
like, oh, I'm just here. I don't.
00:29:38
Know who's gonna hold it? I'm just the regular American on
00:29:41
vacation and then. Cuz where you come from?
00:29:44
That part. Where?
00:29:46
Where did you come from? And if she uses the same excuse
00:29:49
that she told Ash, the guy that she meets in this episode, oh,
00:29:53
I'm looking for my daughter. My daughter was here at the
00:29:56
1415. You just not coming to look for
00:29:58
her. OK, so now we talk about kids.
00:30:01
We can go in. We don't come about to care.
00:30:03
But I'm just saying it doesn't. It's not going to make sense.
00:30:06
She's going to have to, I think at this point, Carol is going to
00:30:10
have to, she's going to have to be like Terminus Carol.
00:30:15
It's, there's not going to be any, you know, I'm going to come
00:30:18
confront you directly and, and play this particular role in
00:30:22
order to find out what I need. No, she's going to have to come
00:30:24
in there and be stealthy. Yeah, because when she can be
00:30:29
like she has, she has, she can be.
00:30:35
But OK. I'm.
00:30:37
Just let's let's go into Carol. Let's go into Carol because when
00:30:42
we see her in the last, the last episode of the first season,
00:30:47
she's looking for Daryl because we know that she and Daryl have
00:30:50
been in contact via radio before.
00:30:53
Daryl got shipped off to France, so she already knows that he's
00:30:56
in Maine. OK, She has a starting point.
00:31:00
She can probably pinpoint where the radio transmission came
00:31:03
from, or she can just start asking questions about the type
00:31:08
of people Daryl may have been around or a guy on a motorcycle,
00:31:11
whatever. But The thing is, Carol already
00:31:14
has found the motorcycle because there's a guy riding it and she
00:31:18
runs him down at the end of the last, you know, the last
00:31:21
episode, she finds out where he got it.
00:31:24
And then she takes the bike. She locks this dude in the trunk
00:31:27
of the car that she's in. She takes off.
00:31:30
So we pick up. What's the question?
00:31:35
The. Sign when?
00:31:38
Did not say she was in Freeport, OK.
00:31:40
OK, so I. Just wanted to make sure 'cause
00:31:44
I said wait a minute. I had that issue with the last
00:31:47
episode, too, because when she's when she's chasing Mick down in
00:31:53
the car, he's actually headed in the direction where you see the
00:31:57
sign that says Freeport. OK, So when she's asking him the
00:32:02
questions about where he got the bike, he says, I got it several
00:32:07
miles back that way, find the old gas station and then turn
00:32:12
left. He was talking about going back
00:32:15
the way that they had just come. So why did she keep going
00:32:19
forward in the direction she was chasing him?
00:32:24
But that I mean, maybe that was just me, but I was like.
00:32:27
Wait, wasn't I'm I'm just I'm just for reference.
00:32:31
Wasn't Freeport where? I can't think his name Curly
00:32:37
Curly from Dead City was wasn't he in Freeport?
00:32:43
What was the name of their city? 'Cause.
00:32:48
Remember they had a sign too. That's what it made.
00:32:51
Maybe I'm. No, because theirs was theirs
00:32:54
was different. I could have sworn it was
00:32:59
Freeport. Oh Lord, you should have made me
00:33:01
go back 'cause I can't think back that far.
00:33:04
That was what, a year ago? Google.
00:33:06
Is our friend. OK, so why you're why you're
00:33:10
Googling that? So Carol goes.
00:33:13
She takes the bike back to the the place where Dara was and she
00:33:20
does play her little I'm I'm stupid type personality there,
00:33:26
which it works with them because again, and Casey and I talked
00:33:31
about this, you're looking at a a lady who you know by all by
00:33:37
surface looks, you're you're automatically assuming that
00:33:40
she's older because she's got the Gray hair.
00:33:42
You're assuming that she's fragile, that she's probably not
00:33:45
mobile, that she's probably not athletic, that she probably
00:33:48
doesn't know how to really hold a gun or all that stuff.
00:33:52
First of all, if you look at that little lady, OK, and you
00:33:58
don't see a bad ass, immediately there's something wrong with you
00:34:01
because this woman is traveling by herself in a in in the midst
00:34:06
of a zombie apocalypse. Obviously she knows how to take
00:34:10
care of herself, right? Or am I?
00:34:13
Or am I just wrong and just? No, I mean if you seeing a older
00:34:18
lady by herself, I'm just being knots, right?
00:34:21
If you see a older lady, did you think old and fragile by herself
00:34:28
at this point in time? How many years we've been in
00:34:31
this? Do you need to be scared and
00:34:34
technically speaking, because because this could be a chick
00:34:38
who was CIAI don't know. And let's let's be trained
00:34:45
because honestly, I'm I'm not trying to be mean friends a
00:34:51
person by themselves, they would have been gone long time ago.
00:34:55
The the weaker, the weaker people without help was actually
00:35:00
gone quicker than the ones who could that part fight.
00:35:05
So if she's traveling alone and she's still alive and she looks
00:35:10
good like she's not looking like she falling apart, you know what
00:35:13
I'm saying? Y'all may want to walk away and.
00:35:15
Then if you think about Carol, OK, we're saying this, this
00:35:20
apocalypse has gone on maybe between 12 and 15 years at this
00:35:24
point, right? So when we first met Carol, she
00:35:29
was probably, I would say maybe mid to late 30s, OK, because
00:35:37
Sophia was 12, right? She, she was probably, if you,
00:35:43
if you think about the type, just kind of the way that Carol
00:35:46
has described her upbringing and the way things were with Ed,
00:35:51
just in the little bits and pieces that we've picked up
00:35:52
through the years. Carol probably was one of those
00:35:55
people who basically the, the way their family told them their
00:36:02
goals in life were was to get married, have a child, blah,
00:36:06
blah, blah. And that was the kind of the way
00:36:08
Ed treated her as well, right? Like, oh, you're you're you're
00:36:12
my housewife. You're supposed to do whatever.
00:36:14
So you got to kind of maybe think Carol got married in her
00:36:17
early 20s, OK, Right. So that would make her about
00:36:23
maybe mid 30s when we meet her, which means technically
00:36:27
speaking, during this time, she's still not even 50.
00:36:31
So she still ain't old. I mean, think about it.
00:36:34
All of us here are in our late 40s.
00:36:37
We're not old. We just don't quote UN quote
00:36:40
look it because we're not full of Gray.
00:36:42
She went Gray a long time ago, but a lot of people go
00:36:44
prematurely Gray. You know, I have a cousin who
00:36:48
went. She started off Gray so.
00:36:50
Well, she was kind of like a dirty blonde.
00:36:53
First of all, stress friends. We.
00:36:59
May have a hair full of Gray if we were that stressed.
00:37:02
And you, you know, you living on the edge.
00:37:05
Right. But but I'm saying all that to
00:37:08
say, because this is a discourse I see a lot online when it comes
00:37:12
to Carol, because you do have these super Uber like Carol fans
00:37:19
who are like so defensive about her and everything.
00:37:24
And, you know, they, there are people out there who really
00:37:27
think that people are like targeting Carol or even Melissa
00:37:33
McBride because of because of their age, because, you know,
00:37:37
that's one of the reasons why they won't put her together with
00:37:39
Daryl or blah, blah, blah. I don't think, I really don't
00:37:42
think it has anything to do with that because again, whose
00:37:46
character is not that old? If she is we all old because
00:37:52
we're all right around that same age.
00:37:54
She may be within a few few years of us, but the point is
00:37:59
people look at the Gray hair and they automatically make
00:38:02
assumptions. And I think that's the problem
00:38:05
with these guys that she ends up coming across because they're
00:38:09
looking at her like, oh, she's not going to do anything.
00:38:11
Oh, you mixed old lady. Oh, and she's like, huh, Like
00:38:15
she didn't even answer the question and.
00:38:17
That's what I'm saying. Like you're dumb again, because
00:38:22
this little old lady is by herself.
00:38:27
She's not ragged. She's not bloody like I need
00:38:29
some help. Like she's straight walking and
00:38:32
you just automatically assume. And look at the way she's.
00:38:34
Dressed right, you need to be afraid.
00:38:37
Because honestly, I mean, come on now, let's take you.
00:38:41
We can take a vote here. We'll know how long we will
00:38:43
survive in the apocalypse. Not long.
00:38:46
Look, I need to be taken care of.
00:38:48
We already talked about that, OK?
00:38:51
They say Carol is 25 when the show started.
00:38:54
OK, so she's 25. Fuck, she's that means she's
00:38:58
just barely 40 now. OK.
00:39:02
So, yeah, so even more so, even more so I'm glad that you that
00:39:08
you found that because I saw something somewhere where they
00:39:12
were like Carol's supposed to be like in her 50s or 60s.
00:39:14
I was like, Melissa McBride is not even that.
00:39:17
Like right, like he's putting I don't understand.
00:39:21
Yeah but y'all don't understand what stress do to you.
00:39:24
Yeah, but it doesn't happen, you know what I'm saying?
00:39:31
But I'm also saying the as I get stressed, I got some popping up
00:39:35
on my head right now. I'm just saying we got to
00:39:37
understand that you can get grey at any time.
00:39:40
Yeah, and the city was New Babylon.
00:39:44
I'm sorry. Yes, that's what it was.
00:39:46
OK, But I I thought there was something else that Fremont was
00:39:49
mentioned. It might have been it might have
00:39:53
been the main show that might have been where that might have
00:39:58
been where Michonne thought the saw that the boat had docked,
00:40:02
that Rick might have been on, but I don't remember.
00:40:04
But I it does sound familiar. We'll make connections later
00:40:07
because, you know, we'll go off into the weeds with that.
00:40:10
But anyway, going back to Carol. OK, So Carol goes to the garage,
00:40:15
put people, she realizes that they know who Daryl is, that
00:40:20
Daryl's gone. So of course, she finds a.
00:40:22
She finds a crossbow. And she makes quick work of the
00:40:28
garage people. She doesn't kill anybody, but
00:40:30
she does break somebody's nose. She also shoots somebody in the
00:40:33
foot. And basically it's like, where's
00:40:36
my friend? They're like, lady, be crazy,
00:40:39
why are you going to call this? She said.
00:40:41
Certifiable, I said. At least she know.
00:40:46
But she does. Somebody pointed out.
00:40:48
Somebody pointed out that's that's our family.
00:40:51
Because if you think about it, Michelle asked the same question
00:40:55
to Rick, and Rick asked the same question to Michelle.
00:40:59
And her, her her response was also that that, that they were
00:41:04
certifiable. So yes, it is a family trait.
00:41:08
Yeah. But my thing is this woman that
00:41:11
already broke, you know this little old lady has already
00:41:14
broken your boy's nose. Why you going to call her crazy
00:41:18
when she got a fucking crossbow in her hand?
00:41:21
She has already shown y'all that she is not scared to fight.
00:41:25
Just tell her what she want to know and let her go please.
00:41:28
Just leave her alone. They don't see this is this is
00:41:33
something we have been saying. We told Madam Janae she needs to
00:41:35
leave Darrell alone. Are we telling these people they
00:41:37
need to leave Carol alone, which they're not really bothering her
00:41:41
much? No, yeah, they're not.
00:41:46
Yeah, they they're. Just not giving her the
00:41:51
information she needs. She's like, look.
00:41:53
Right. So basically they was not
00:41:55
bothering her and she came into play.
00:41:58
Thank you. Well, they bothered her.
00:42:00
Friend me with her hands up, talking.
00:42:02
About Oh, I'm a friendly. I'm a friendly.
00:42:04
However, at least she told them about their friend in the trunk.
00:42:08
This is true. This is about an hour worth of
00:42:11
air. Maybe.
00:42:13
Give or take. Maybe.
00:42:17
But did you see the look on her face where they told her he was
00:42:21
going to France? She was like France.
00:42:23
She was like, stop playing. They were like, no, for real.
00:42:26
They come. They come over here and they're
00:42:28
looking for American walkers. We didn't ask too many
00:42:31
questions. Look, this is the first time
00:42:32
we've seen a boat in years. They came over and asked us for
00:42:37
stuff. We look, they gave us the and
00:42:39
you know what, they could have been the one providing the gas.
00:42:44
So, you know, they were like, yeah, he on a boat.
00:42:48
But we already know at this point people have figured out
00:42:50
ways to make gas. Yeah, like at at this point we
00:42:53
already know they figured it out.
00:42:56
Yeah, they probably got a cornfield growing somewhere,
00:42:58
swear to God. But when Carol goes to the
00:43:02
shipyard to look for, you know, clues, the shipyard is pretty
00:43:06
abandoned. And it's also pretty washed out,
00:43:10
so it's obvious that Shep couldn't have docked there, they
00:43:13
had to have docked somewhere else.
00:43:16
No, they, they put a doctor, but she, they also said it was a
00:43:18
long time ago. And you, you have to think the
00:43:23
ship can be in deep water and, you know, they have little ships
00:43:26
to come because Darrell escaped on the little ship.
00:43:28
I mean little ship, a little boat.
00:43:30
So they, they can be, you know, far out enough into the water
00:43:35
where they have a transport that goes back and forth, 'cause, you
00:43:38
know, they have to transport to, for some kind of way.
00:43:41
They wouldn't just, you know what I'm saying?
00:43:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so that I can see this leads
00:43:47
to Carol going for a drive because while she's at the
00:43:52
boatyard, she sees the airplane in the air.
00:43:55
And she gets an idea. And she gets an idea like wait.
00:44:00
I didn't think she saw at the boatyard.
00:44:01
I saw while she was driving, not at the boatyard.
00:44:06
That wasn't the first what what? She was standing somewhere when
00:44:09
she said oh. Yeah, she was standing.
00:44:11
That was after she crashed the car.
00:44:13
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
00:44:14
So yeah, but that's next though. She saw the plane and she came
00:44:19
up with the idea. She was.
00:44:21
Driving the car that she stole from the from the the junk guys
00:44:25
and she runs the car into something.
00:44:28
So now she's got to walk and she decides to follow the direction
00:44:32
that this plane is gone. So what she does is she finds a
00:44:37
house fenced up electric fence very looks very well protected,
00:44:44
has traps for the walkers and she thought she puts herself in
00:44:50
the trap. She starts saying help.
00:44:54
Yeah, I said OK, Carol. When I say I hollered, I said
00:45:02
OK. I really thought I was like, I
00:45:04
was like, OK. But not but not tell you the MVP
00:45:10
of the apocalypse. It's Carol if we have a montage
00:45:17
and award ceremony from the beginning to now.
00:45:22
It turns that helpless on like. It like it's nothing.
00:45:26
Like a light switch. And just quick on your feet,
00:45:29
like let me just put myself in this trap.
00:45:31
Right. You don't even know what type of
00:45:33
person it. Is exact and that's what I was
00:45:35
thinking she's like. I don't care.
00:45:37
Yeah, 'cause I'll kill him and I fly to pain myself.
00:45:40
I read a book. I mean, that's how she.
00:45:42
She ain't got done but time. Nothing but time well, no 'cause
00:45:46
she doesn't know what kind of danger Daryl is is in, so she
00:45:48
may not have that kind of time, but she.
00:45:51
Ain't done what type of danger you've been in for this amount
00:45:53
of time. We just now figuring out the
00:45:56
handbrands so she she wouldn't have known that.
00:45:59
Yeah, yeah, but anyway, so the guy who owns the house, it does
00:46:05
invite her in. She, you know, she's telling him
00:46:08
that her car broke down and she needs a new radiator and he's
00:46:12
very nice office to let her stay overnight.
00:46:16
And I, I'm gonna tell you, I was really waiting for the shoe to
00:46:22
drop all episode. I was waiting for this dude to
00:46:24
die. I did not think he was going to
00:46:25
make it to the next episode. And I think you can, I can fault
00:46:29
the ones who live for that because I think they traumatized
00:46:32
me. You know, they introduced us to
00:46:34
someone that might be kind of likable and then they they die.
00:46:38
So I wasn't expecting Ash to kind of stick around for the
00:46:42
entire episode, especially the next day when when we kind of
00:46:48
realized that this man has been living on his own for a while.
00:46:55
He had a son who looked to be, I think he said he was six years
00:46:58
old. The son died.
00:47:01
You don't really hear how, but it's it's almost assumed that a
00:47:05
Walker killed him. At least that's that's the gist
00:47:08
that I got. So he has this greenhouse where
00:47:11
he grows his vegetables and he grows, you know, other stuff.
00:47:15
And he has a basically like a shrine to his son in this
00:47:20
greenhouse. But of course, Carol doesn't
00:47:22
know this at first. She just realizes that, you
00:47:25
know, he has an alarm on his watch that goes off and he like,
00:47:28
rushes to this greenhouse, but it's kept under lock just like
00:47:32
the rest of the compound is. OK, Now, this is not your
00:47:36
business. It's not it's it's never, it's
00:47:40
never the business. But the way Carol gets herself
00:47:46
in with this guy is because they they bond over lost children,
00:47:54
but not in the way that we think.
00:47:56
Now First off, he decided to let Carol sleep in his barn.
00:48:04
And when he gets ready to open the doors, Carol has this
00:48:08
flashback to the memory of Sophia coming out of the barn.
00:48:14
And when I say I had been spoiled about this before the
00:48:19
show aired, I knew that it was going to that she was going to
00:48:22
have to not necessarily come to A reckoning, but she was going
00:48:26
to be dealing with some undealt with emotions in regards to
00:48:30
Sophia. So I knew it was coming, but it
00:48:34
still hit me so hard when the scene actually aired because you
00:48:40
see her looking back on the past and they're using the flashback
00:48:45
clips from the original show, but then they're also
00:48:48
interspersing them with Carol's present moment.
00:48:52
So you see her in her present situation with, you know, the
00:48:57
background behind her, but then you see Sophia come to her in
00:49:01
that present. And I was just like OK what are
00:49:03
we doing? What the fuck is going on and
00:49:04
why are y'all trying to make me cry in the first episode right?
00:49:08
And. I did not.
00:49:12
I thought she like, I knew she was going to talk about Sophia,
00:49:15
but I did not suspect that she would talk about her like, oh
00:49:20
she and friends with her daddy. Well, that part and so so for
00:49:25
me, there's a disc, to be honest with you, there's a disconnect
00:49:28
of her and the flashbacks and and her line about it.
00:49:35
I just kind of feel like it was touching to see, but it was more
00:49:40
just for people who didn't know so that when she told this lie
00:49:45
they'd be like oh this shit, this is a deep lie.
00:49:48
Who's not gonna who? Who is watching this show that
00:49:51
doesn't know that? That doesn't know the history?
00:49:53
You have you do have some people who started off at the end,
00:49:58
towards the end. The Walking Dead is watching
00:49:59
these shows now who didn't watch the beginning.
00:50:02
But what? But but what I'm trying to say
00:50:05
is like, or they may have forgotten, but we needed to
00:50:07
establish her life because I'm going to tell you something
00:50:09
about Carol. Now.
00:50:10
Carol ain't like Carol to me is almost like I can't think of her
00:50:15
name right now. However, Carol has processed
00:50:18
this. Carol has already had
00:50:22
flashbacks. Carol can easily walk into a
00:50:25
barn and is not going to be thinking about her daughter.
00:50:27
So it's really there for us. I don't think it was there for
00:50:31
Carol. You think so?
00:50:34
I think so now if you had it more of when she was looking at
00:50:42
the guys things and she thought back to both her kids 'cause she
00:50:46
did feel like the other boy was her kid too, I would have been
00:50:49
OK with that. You don't understand what I'm
00:50:51
saying. But just her walking to the barn
00:50:54
Cause at first I thought shit is this the barn?
00:50:56
But no we buy the walk. Wait a second.
00:50:58
Like that's the only thing that would make me think she trigger,
00:51:01
right? That trigger that would be if we
00:51:04
were on the farmhouse again and she like thinking back to it,
00:51:10
right? But really, this was for us.
00:51:12
I I'm just gonna be completely honest.
00:51:14
I don't think she would have thought about it.
00:51:17
She would have walked in. I thought she would be more
00:51:19
thinking about her kid when that man was talking about his.
00:51:22
And when she thought about her, she was like, you know what?
00:51:24
This is my way in. Now I do feel that.
00:51:28
I do. I do feel that, and you know
00:51:32
what, what you're saying I think does make sense as well because
00:51:39
I don't think this is the first time Carol has seen a barn since
00:51:43
then like she had to. She has to have a counter barn,
00:51:51
yes. What, didn't they take shelter
00:51:55
in a barn during that tornado right before they met Aaron?
00:51:58
That was a barn. Right.
00:52:00
And that she would run into kids.
00:52:02
But that was. Different.
00:52:04
Walkers and she would still have run into kids and walkers that
00:52:07
would made her think of her baby.
00:52:11
So that's why I'll say this would be better if it was.
00:52:13
I think it was still been better if she when she was reminiscing
00:52:16
when she's touching the man's items.
00:52:20
Yeah, about his child. But this was again, I think it
00:52:24
was more the tie in to we need to know her big lie.
00:52:32
Just case you forget well. Who again?
00:52:34
This heifer's lied. This heifer's lied about her
00:52:36
child being alive. But I just feel like anybody who
00:52:41
knows Carol's character, even if I.
00:52:43
Know but come on Carol. Casual fan of the show but but
00:52:49
not everyone can be a Carol. Has a Carol lover.
00:52:52
You don't have to be a Carol lover to to know what happened.
00:52:58
I know Hanukkah but some people literally when I talk people did
00:53:01
not start towards to the end. So they do not know like details
00:53:05
like that. And I guess that's what that.
00:53:07
Because that never brought up right.
00:53:10
If they say somebody, kid, they may bring up what's that boy's
00:53:13
name? I can't even think of his name.
00:53:14
Henry. Henry.
00:53:17
And forget about her, Her baby. And I guess that's just the
00:53:21
thing that kind of confuses me because just the way that I view
00:53:27
TV, like I already know you can spin offs are based on the
00:53:31
characters from an original show.
00:53:34
And even if I don't go back and watch that original show, I'm
00:53:37
going to do some kind of research on these characters to
00:53:40
see if this is something I even want to pay attention to.
00:53:43
But we talk about this all the time, even on the other podcast
00:53:46
and the other two guys. You do.
00:53:48
And there's some viewers are not US type of viewers that consume
00:53:53
it. I mean, be honest.
00:53:55
Like there's not a lot of people.
00:53:57
You watch something and then you go on YouTube to research it.
00:54:02
That's me. You make sure when you watch
00:54:04
something, you know about all the characters.
00:54:07
You know what I'm saying? Like people aren't just casual.
00:54:10
They watch it and they're like, OK, and then they move on.
00:54:14
But they did. Because if she was invested,
00:54:17
what was her baby's name again anyway?
00:54:19
Sophia. So when she's sitting there
00:54:22
talking to him and said, oh, my, my daughter Sophia, some people
00:54:25
be like, oh, she making this up? Does she have a daughter?
00:54:28
And we're thinking, oh, man, she never spoken Sophia's name.
00:54:31
Long time. But to gather our emotions, they
00:54:34
had to play the scene before she told the biggest lie.
00:54:41
I guess, but you. Have to keep in mind, OK, just
00:54:44
this this my little thought on it.
00:54:46
Yes, she's been in Barnes before.
00:54:48
Yes, she's been around kids before all all that, but keep in
00:54:53
mind all of that is when we have everybody else who is in our
00:54:58
community. Now I'm out on the road with
00:55:01
nothing but me and my thoughts. So of course your thought is I'm
00:55:05
trying to get to my friend. Yes, now that I'm searching for
00:55:10
my friend, my friend who helped me get through this situation
00:55:14
where I did lose my daughter. So now I'm out on the search for
00:55:19
this friend. So now there are going to be
00:55:22
certain things that spark like, oh, damn.
00:55:25
Even when she saw the Cherokee Rose, she was like, you know
00:55:28
what I mean? These are things that tie her
00:55:30
and Darrell together. So now that it's strictly just
00:55:34
her, she don't have the luxury of everybody else in the
00:55:36
community. I'm on this road, I'm on my own,
00:55:39
you know, I met this new guy. But these are things that oh
00:55:44
shit, I have to stay within my mind frame of reality that this
00:55:50
is my friend who I'm looking for and these things are the reasons
00:55:54
why I'm looking for him. This is how this became my best
00:55:57
friend. Right, so right, so we can do we
00:56:01
should have a montage of their friendship.
00:56:05
And I and I. And that's part of it.
00:56:07
That would be but still. But but I think that's when
00:56:10
you're touching his things with his kids, right?
00:56:13
That, that's what. I'm trying to say because you
00:56:15
have her thing, like you said, she hasn't talked about Sophia
00:56:19
in a long time, hasn't thought about her, whatever.
00:56:22
And you have her doing this even before she knows about Ash's
00:56:26
son. So in that sense, the timing is
00:56:30
weird because I think if she would have found out about him
00:56:33
and his son first, like when she asked him about, you know, his
00:56:37
son. Oh, yeah, I have a son, but he's
00:56:39
not around anymore. However that conversation
00:56:42
happened, I can't remember if at that point then she had the
00:56:46
flashback about Sophia. That to me would have made a
00:56:50
little more sense. And then for her to follow it up
00:56:53
with the big lie, I would have been like, oh, OK, yeah, that
00:56:56
was she figured it out. That's her way in.
00:56:59
But to do it in reverse because she had the flashback about
00:57:03
Sophia before she found out about his son, Right?
00:57:08
Right. Yeah.
00:57:09
Right. So, yeah, so that's what I was
00:57:11
saying. Like it makes sense when you
00:57:13
look, you're holding a kids things that someone's been like
00:57:17
memorializing and it makes her think of the teddy bear that
00:57:20
Sophia had and then it brought her to Sophia has a baby Sophia
00:57:25
with the Tay bear and then Sophia coming out of that barn.
00:57:28
I would totally get that. Yeah.
00:57:32
Now, yeah. We want to build on Carol and
00:57:35
hit her relationship, Dale's relationship.
00:57:37
I need flashbacks of them together.
00:57:39
Not when her daughter dies. So, I mean, that's two separate
00:57:42
things. However, I can see that her mind
00:57:45
is open because she's listening to, you know, the life coach in
00:57:48
the car. Right.
00:57:52
So she, you know, a little open to to start thinking about her
00:57:55
life, but that's what I'm saying, like she should have it
00:57:57
to the IT would have made sense to when she touched those
00:57:59
things, even after he told her about the kid, when touched
00:58:02
those things, you start thinking about your kid and their things
00:58:06
and how the apocalypse came and you lost her and then you got
00:58:10
even gained another son show hearing too, and then you lost
00:58:13
him, you know. But here we didn't die.
00:58:16
Now if she come across some spikes, she may have a
00:58:19
flashback. You know what?
00:58:20
You know what I can't? Nah.
00:58:22
But I was going to say, but see, it wouldn't have made sense for
00:58:25
them to bring Henry up, because if you bring Henry up, I'm
00:58:28
sorry, you got to bring Lizzie and Mika up too, and that's way
00:58:32
too heavy. Well, that wasn't like her kids.
00:58:36
She was protecting them. Might as well have been.
00:58:39
But it still wasn't like, What did Henry say?
00:58:41
When he she. Was like Henry was her son.
00:58:43
I know, yeah. So that's something totally
00:58:46
different. That was some kids that was, you
00:58:48
know, one of them was fucked up. But you know, I had to had to
00:58:54
had to fix that. Right, but.
00:58:56
Because you know. But she was crazy.
00:59:01
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. She was going to kill Judith.
00:59:03
Yeah, that's what I'm totally saying.
00:59:05
But if they bring. Him.
00:59:06
That was my, my, that was my niece.
00:59:08
You know what I'm saying? That this little girl is about
00:59:10
to kill. So I had to like, get her
00:59:12
straight. She had to go.
00:59:14
OK, we won't go there. She won't.
00:59:16
You got a straight all right Bullet to the brain.
00:59:19
Yeah, she's not gonna, you know, we, we don't have a flashback on
00:59:24
that and she got to kill another kid for the same purposes.
00:59:27
OK, so let's go to this story that Carol tells her new friend
00:59:31
Ash about why she needs to go to France because at first she
00:59:38
doesn't say anything to him about the plane.
00:59:40
It's all about fixing the car, making sure the car is OK so she
00:59:43
can go da da da. Now, once she finds out he has
00:59:46
the son, that's when she talks, start talking about Sophia.
00:59:49
But of course the story that she that she gives is that Ed, her
00:59:55
wonderful husband had a brother or had a relative or somebody,
01:00:02
somebody's relative. Was over in France and that's
01:00:05
where they were visiting right before everything fell.
01:00:10
And she was like, OK, I, I just, I need to go see for myself.
01:00:13
And he even he adds like after all this time, like you didn't
01:00:16
try to go before and I was just like, if this guy falls for
01:00:21
this. He fell for it.
01:00:24
He's. Going to do it.
01:00:26
'Cause I'm like you too. This been years, honey.
01:00:28
That girl's dead. Yeah.
01:00:30
Right. But she played on the
01:00:32
heartstrings. Or even if, or even if she's not
01:00:36
dead. I mean, he even asked that he
01:00:38
was like, would you be able to recognize her after all this
01:00:42
time? And then she was like, wouldn't
01:00:44
you recognize your after 15 years of not seeing them?
01:00:50
People can change. Like yes, some some of them will
01:00:52
keep their their face is the same, but some, some kids are
01:00:56
going to change. I wouldn't even, I'll be honest
01:01:02
with you. No, you couldn't tell after all
01:01:05
these years. Because.
01:01:08
Because it's it will be different if you left them when
01:01:11
they were 19 and they're 35. Sophia was 11.
01:01:17
That's different because I was telling someone it's different,
01:01:20
like when their kids and how they grow, like they change so
01:01:24
much 'cause even my kid is a high school, she's changed from
01:01:28
which what she was in 9th grade. So like they, their looks just
01:01:32
can just be different. So 15 years.
01:01:35
Yeah, no. Like she would literally be an
01:01:38
adult now. Right, shaved head.
01:01:40
Like you couldn't, you wouldn't even know.
01:01:42
Like you wouldn't know she like punk rock.
01:01:45
You would not have an idea. Especially over there in France,
01:01:49
you know, they still got. Right.
01:01:50
You, you like you. You you just don't know.
01:01:54
Right. But anyway, he he buys this
01:01:58
story, you know, he takes he takes the plane out for his run,
01:02:03
his daily run and leaves Carol there on the farm by herself.
01:02:08
And his power grid tends to go out every once in a while.
01:02:13
So it's every once in a while it shorts out, which means all the
01:02:17
locks unlock and everything. So of course the lock to the
01:02:21
greenhouse opens and she's just like let me go see what's in
01:02:27
here before I try to fix this this electricity.
01:02:31
Now what has happened is the outside gate has also unlocked
01:02:38
and I guess the walkers decide to come in and just, you know,
01:02:43
go exploring which. Where the hell did walkers come?
01:02:47
From. Well, keeping good at this all
01:02:50
this time. That the airplane attracts the
01:02:53
noise and then if Carol is there, I don't know, maybe maybe
01:02:59
something about there being another person.
01:03:03
I don't. Again, we don't know how the
01:03:04
walkers brains works. We don't know how how they sense
01:03:09
where people are. You know, we've had this
01:03:11
conversation about some of the other shows where, you know,
01:03:14
somebody can drop a pin over here and a Walker is going to
01:03:17
snap their head around and look. But then you can have somebody
01:03:19
opening a door right next to a Walker and they're going to go
01:03:21
straight past it and not pay attention.
01:03:23
So we don't know what draws them in, but something about this
01:03:27
farm drew them in. Maybe it was the hum of the
01:03:30
electricity on the fence and when it clicked off, maybe that,
01:03:34
you know, they realized there was a difference and they were
01:03:37
like, oh, let's go investigate. Whatever the case is, the farm
01:03:41
gets overrun by walkers while Carol is in there in the
01:03:45
greenhouse, being nosy and looking through, you know,
01:03:48
ashes, basically his shrine of his, of his son.
01:03:53
She gets caught in the greenhouse.
01:03:55
She gets trapped and she's trying to escape.
01:04:01
And of course, like I said, the walkers come in the greenhouse
01:04:04
and start tearing stuff up. She starts tearing stuff up.
01:04:07
He comes back on the plane and starts killing the walkers with
01:04:12
a, a, a machine gun. And he's pissed, rightfully so,
01:04:18
because he was like, why are you in here?
01:04:20
And my thing is, you didn't even have to tell him that you went
01:04:25
in there to be nosy. You could have told him the
01:04:28
power went out. I was trying to fix it.
01:04:31
The walkers came in. I got, I got overwhelmed.
01:04:35
I ran in here for safety. Yeah, again, if you don't lie,
01:04:40
make it a believable one. That would have been more
01:04:43
believable than my daughter's been over in France for 15
01:04:46
years. I'm just going to.
01:04:47
I'm just not going to go try to go find her.
01:04:52
It's plausible. It's plausible.
01:04:57
Yeah, that one but but. I wish I could see my face right
01:05:02
now. So so is walking into the
01:05:04
greenhouse because the walkers are coming to get you because I
01:05:07
mean all he all she had to do was tell him that the power went
01:05:09
out. I mean it it happened the night
01:05:11
before. I mean, but he.
01:05:12
Saw that he saw the powers out. Yeah, when he came back.
01:05:17
He did, but she had to put, she has to play on his emotion
01:05:20
because she could have said her brother, you know, went over
01:05:25
there. She could have said her brother
01:05:28
went over there to look for Sophia and I need to go.
01:05:31
Cry. And the thing about it is you
01:05:33
can even, you could even tell the truth but lie and say I'm
01:05:38
really close to my twin brother. He had went off and I've come to
01:05:44
find out he was taken by some people on boats and went to
01:05:48
France. But you know he.
01:05:49
Wouldn't have taken for that. Yeah.
01:05:52
OK, so then you throw in, you still throw in, but you throw in
01:05:56
the truth of then if you don't think he will let you go with
01:06:00
your twin brother, say my brother and daughter was
01:06:03
together and I found that they. Were taking because that that's
01:06:08
the that's the word that's going to get him to say no, because
01:06:11
when you say that someone is taken, that means it's an
01:06:14
aggressive action. That means that there's an enemy
01:06:17
that means that there there's some kind of, you know,
01:06:20
animosity. If this man OK, well, don't say
01:06:23
taken they got on the boat. If this man has been living a
01:06:26
peaceful life for the last 12-13, fourteen, 15 years and
01:06:31
you tell him anything that has to do with any type of oh, I
01:06:36
might have to be against. No, he's not.
01:06:38
He's going to be like, OK, here's some food.
01:06:40
He's going to. Say what that got.
01:06:42
To do. But guess what, you still fell
01:06:44
for it because there's no way I'm taking her over for a 15
01:06:47
year old. Wish you were better off saying
01:06:51
they did get on a boat. Like there were some French
01:06:53
people who came over and and and asked for volunteers, no?
01:06:56
He would not. He wouldn't do it if it was an
01:06:58
aggressive. I said volunteers, I could say
01:07:01
take it. I said change the word.
01:07:03
If you violence you, that means you you went over there on your
01:07:06
own accord. I'm.
01:07:08
Not but they thought they would come and bail, so we need to
01:07:11
fly. Out no, what she did, even
01:07:14
though it's it's deplorable to us because I would have just
01:07:18
been like look who is over there I need to go find them.
01:07:21
Her using Sophia I think is going to bite her in the ass
01:07:28
because when she you know, when they get over there and there is
01:07:32
no Sophia now, however she's going to however she's going to
01:07:38
spend. That if she does.
01:07:40
Happen to find Daryl and is able to kind of relay to him hey I
01:07:44
told this dude that Sophia was over here so I need you.
01:07:47
Daryl may not even be with that right and the the but again.
01:07:52
You know what? It's not Carol's fault.
01:07:54
I don't. It's not Carol not having her
01:07:57
back. It's not Carol's fault.
01:07:59
It's not. It is Carol.
01:08:01
What? No, he believed it.
01:08:04
Because I'm not taking someone over.
01:08:05
There for a 15 year old. Wish and dream and not in not in
01:08:09
a plane that I rebuilt. Myself that, like you said, all
01:08:13
of the good reasons that he told her we, you have us.
01:08:17
You're trying to get me to fly overseas in conditions unknown,
01:08:22
into territory unknown. We don't know what we're flying
01:08:26
into, and you don't even know. If she's.
01:08:30
Alive now that's only way. The only.
01:08:36
Reason I can think. Of that, he might have agreed to
01:08:39
go. Is that he needed a change of
01:08:43
scenery and then I can agree to that.
01:08:45
No, because he said. I have everything I need here
01:08:47
because. When she no, but he needed a
01:08:50
'cause. He needed something to do.
01:08:52
I think he needed some companionship.
01:08:53
Because you can be fine without people, but then once you're
01:08:57
around someone that might kind of stir up like, oh, you know, I
01:09:02
do miss having someone to talk to.
01:09:03
I do miss having someone to be around.
01:09:06
And this is a he might have even considered.
01:09:08
It at that point. I'm pretty sure the very very
01:09:14
deciding factor was the fact that it started storming.
01:09:19
Lightning struck his his power console and now you got walkers
01:09:25
from everywhere coming onto your grounds.
01:09:28
And then because of the lightning all of the ethanol you
01:09:31
had in your barn explode. Thank God you put some in the
01:09:35
plane. Right.
01:09:36
Thank God. Thank look.
01:09:40
Thank goodness that happened before.
01:09:42
Or after you put the stuff in the plane, 'cause then y'all
01:09:46
wouldn't be going anywhere and you'd be trapped.
01:09:50
But they get in the plane, they escaped from the walkers, and
01:09:56
they take off into the golden sunset.
01:10:00
And Carol has never flown on the plane before.
01:10:03
I was like, you know what? This whole thing is just so
01:10:06
convoluted 'cause not only are you getting on a a what is that
01:10:11
a like a single engine or twin engine plane for your first
01:10:15
airplane ride during an apocalypse, going to another
01:10:20
country not knowing what the fuck you're like.
01:10:28
Who comes up with this? Unbelievable.
01:10:34
I feel so bad she didn't get to. These fly delta right one good
01:10:39
time didn't have didn't have the the luxury stuff.
01:10:43
But no snacks, Nothing. But I mean.
01:10:52
But that can show you the dedication and the love that.
01:10:54
She has for Darryl because and the No Fear because you're
01:10:57
getting on this plane. We already seen the love and
01:11:01
dedication. I know, but this is real love
01:11:03
and. Dedication.
01:11:04
Because like, you literally like, you know this plane is
01:11:09
going to fall apart in the middle of the ocean, right?
01:11:15
And you taking off during a storm.
01:11:19
I have a question. Because.
01:11:22
It's probably not. The recording she was listening
01:11:25
to in the cards, the same thing, he said.
01:11:28
I was going to ask the same thing.
01:11:30
Whether? Or not that was him.
01:11:31
I I don't know. I didn't go.
01:11:33
I didn't get a chance to go back and watch it a second time to
01:11:36
see if there was like a name on the cassette.
01:11:39
But when he said it, the fact that she turned her head and I
01:11:43
turned my head, I was like, what's that?
01:11:45
I watched it like that. Was you talking on the?
01:11:48
Text like I mean it wouldn't be the first time that.
01:11:52
Somebody out in the quote UN quote wild was a famous person
01:11:57
because if you remember, Beta was a country singer.
01:12:02
We find out. So I don't know.
01:12:05
It could have been him. It it sounded it, it kind of
01:12:09
sounded like it when he said it. But again, I didn't get a chance
01:12:13
to go back and rewatch it, so I'm not sure.
01:12:17
But it it it, it's possible it could be him.
01:12:20
Yeah, it definitely gave. Me him vibes like up right?
01:12:26
That sounds familiar, which could also explain.
01:12:31
That could also. Explain why he was so at peace
01:12:34
being. By himself, without being around
01:12:37
other people, especially after he lost his son, he might have
01:12:41
just, you know, had that kind of mentality to where he processed
01:12:46
it, he dealt with it. He was just like, OK, you know
01:12:49
what? I'm, I'm good.
01:12:50
I'm just going to sit here all by myself.
01:12:53
I'm not going to worry about anybody else and and that sort
01:12:56
of thing. And then here comes Carol.
01:13:00
And in less than 24 hours, his whole way of existence is gone.
01:13:06
Like, I would be, I would be pissed.
01:13:14
Like, yeah, you can have some compassion for this person and
01:13:19
her, her story or whatever it is.
01:13:22
There was something about that story that sparked something in
01:13:26
you to make you say, OK, you know what?
01:13:28
I'm going to help you out. We're going to go on this
01:13:32
adventure. We're going to try to find your
01:13:33
daughter. But I will also be pissed.
01:13:36
Because now I. Don't have a place to come back
01:13:38
to like the place that I remembered my my child is gone,
01:13:43
which I guess in an apocalypse type of getting that might not
01:13:51
be as important because especially like we see with our
01:13:55
group, they're on the move so much.
01:13:58
So it's not like, you know, it's not like they'd be able to go
01:14:02
and, you know, visit Beth's grave or visit Tyrese's grave or
01:14:08
something like that. But I mean, hey, you had Luciana
01:14:14
and them go back to where they buried Nick and dig his body up
01:14:18
and cremate him. So I mean.
01:14:23
That wasn't weird. We're not.
01:14:27
Even I I'm sorry, we're not going to go, we're not going to
01:14:30
go on to a Fear The Walking Dead tangent.
01:14:32
I'm just saying, yeah, I just at least Daryl.
01:14:38
Got to well. OK.
01:14:42
Daryl got to. France and.
01:14:44
No. No, I can't even say that
01:14:47
because he wasn't at Abby, but but maybe a a a day or two
01:14:51
before the Abby fell because Cadrone came looking for him.
01:14:55
So yeah, I was going to say at least at least Paris was
01:14:58
standing. But you know, Michelle is right.
01:15:03
Our people show. Up and shit go to shit all the
01:15:06
time so. If that is the case.
01:15:10
Then that means when Carol gets to France and meets Madame
01:15:13
Janay, that should be quick word.
01:15:15
It's a done deal. It's going to crumble.
01:15:18
It it's got to it, it is because.
01:15:20
You got to have Daryl and Carol, but of course she has to find
01:15:24
him first, and Daryl hasn't even remained in the same like well,
01:15:30
something would have to push her towards the Mont Saint Michelle
01:15:33
because as of right, but at least it doesn't look like going
01:15:36
going anywhere right, but she's going to encounter.
01:15:40
Like I'm saying, they're going to end up in the circles that
01:15:42
they need to be because I looked at France's like the size of
01:15:46
Texas. So as long as he she stayed.
01:15:51
By the shores and do that. Type of thing.
01:15:53
It's going to work out, but it's I don't have a.
01:15:57
Doubt with that she not going to find them.
01:15:59
Yeah, the the problem is she's just going to have.
01:16:01
Issues because once she goes looking for them, like I said,
01:16:05
people are going to put two and two together oh, you're American
01:16:09
oh, it's American wait, you know even.
01:16:14
Though. Not all Americans know each
01:16:16
other but still like I said the fact that 2 of y'all have come
01:16:20
over here but I I wouldn't even think that too because like the
01:16:23
other American. That was there like Americans
01:16:26
was like we had tourists in different places around the
01:16:29
world and you got stuck. But it's 15 years later if you
01:16:34
if you. Haven't seen like, like that
01:16:36
one. But once they meet Carol,
01:16:37
they'll realize why. Again, I'm telling you.
01:16:45
Carol could have been. In the CIA.
01:16:49
And she was over there doing some work and end up staying
01:16:52
like you got y'all just have to just no assumptions about
01:16:56
people. You know what I'm saying?
01:16:57
No, it's be the thing to bring her out.
01:16:59
It's like, say, that's her. Story what what would make her
01:17:01
now come out she been. Traveling.
01:17:06
She she was in Germany. I don't know she just been
01:17:09
traveling. Michelle, this is zombie
01:17:11
apocalypse. There are no vacations.
01:17:14
There are no field trips. There are no she don't come up
01:17:18
with one. I bet she said she was.
01:17:20
Living in a village and the village got overtaken and they
01:17:23
got scattered. She was, she was look, she look,
01:17:27
it was 15 years ago, right? She was 25.
01:17:29
She was doing Michigan, she was doing study abroad, right?
01:17:35
You. Know what I'm saying?
01:17:36
And she was with her. Family and now like they got
01:17:39
scattered. So that is the reason why she is
01:17:44
out and about. Oh my God.
01:17:47
You know, they were gardening. They were.
01:17:50
Fishing and it just went to hell from there.
01:17:57
They're gonna come up with a story, though.
01:17:59
We already know. I hope.
01:18:01
It's better. I hope it's better than.
01:18:05
My daughter was stranded over here when the world went to shit
01:18:08
and I'm I, I need to go and look for her.
01:18:10
I need some closure now. 15 years after you don't believe.
01:18:17
That right. Well, did you paddle over here,
01:18:18
ma'am? Right, because that's going.
01:18:21
To become the question how did you how?
01:18:23
Did you get here? Because that's.
01:18:26
Why you you say? You are already over there.
01:18:29
You've been over here. This.
01:18:34
I haven't seen no planes in in France.
01:18:38
I haven't seen helicopter. I haven't seen anything.
01:18:41
So if they find out, if they find ash, oh, they're not
01:18:44
letting that man go. Oh, no.
01:18:46
Yeah. So you better just tell me I can
01:18:48
get up. Out of here, right?
01:18:49
You will study. Abroad.
01:18:50
Or you know what? I'm saying or I don't, I don't
01:18:53
care. Ma'am, you didn't make something
01:18:55
up that you've been over here this whole entire time, right?
01:18:57
And you just now getting to this area.
01:19:02
I don't know because my my. Whole thing is just like Casey
01:19:07
just mentioned, we know that boats are the main travel for
01:19:13
them because I mean, even even before Quinn died, when Daryl
01:19:18
was making inquiries about getting back home, everybody
01:19:22
that he talked to kept mentioning boats, boats, boats,
01:19:25
boats. Nobody mentioned a plane.
01:19:29
So you have been. Even if she.
01:19:34
End up flying. Over there.
01:19:36
Somebody's going to see that plane.
01:19:38
They're going to do the same thing Carol did.
01:19:39
They're going to be like, oh, there's a plane, let me follow
01:19:41
the direction that it went in. Somebody's going to find them.
01:19:47
And then you're going to have Carol trying to make an excuse.
01:19:52
Like you said, Michelle, she's probably going to tell them, oh,
01:19:55
we were such and such, whatever, whatever.
01:19:58
But again, we don't know the kind of connections that Madam
01:20:00
Janay has anywhere else. It's already kind of weird.
01:20:04
That you're in France and you still have connections in, in,
01:20:07
in the Americas 15 years after the fact.
01:20:10
So where else are you doing business?
01:20:14
Who else do you have connections with?
01:20:17
And again, going back to what Casey said earlier, where are
01:20:20
your enemies? Who else who?
01:20:23
Because she's got to be making these.
01:20:26
Souped up walkers. To go against somebody right,
01:20:31
there's someone in charge of her.
01:20:32
You see what I'm saying? So we will find out who that is
01:20:36
later or that that could be another way that they're tying
01:20:39
the. CRM into the whole storyline
01:20:41
because if the if the CRM is as big as we knew it to be and the
01:20:47
ones who live they had. To have had a fleet, I mean, we
01:20:52
know they. Had boats, you know.
01:20:56
We know they had boats, we know that, but in order.
01:20:58
For that. So that means in order.
01:21:00
For that to happen, this would have to be before the ones that
01:21:05
live. And I'm, I'm going to be
01:21:07
completely honest, I don't. Even think it's the CRM, I think
01:21:10
the CRM could be involved, but is it This is a different, this
01:21:15
is international, so they. Probably have their own type.
01:21:17
Of group and that group is talking with the CRM and they
01:21:22
can work together because how the CRM came to.
01:21:25
Be that was. Immediate.
01:21:27
That was on Homeland, so imagine what's happening over there.
01:21:33
They had to have something immediate like that too.
01:21:35
So that's a separate group and that's what we're going to see.
01:21:37
She is just a fraction of the larger group.
01:21:41
And this could just be the the research fraction.
01:21:45
Yeah. Of that group, but she ain't
01:21:49
doing research. She's.
01:21:50
Trying to make super soldiers. But that's what I'm saying,
01:21:53
that's the research went they. They're not looking for a cube,
01:21:55
but cure. But they're looking for what
01:21:58
could they? I don't see how you even need.
01:22:01
So you already got them out in the world.
01:22:03
Why we need Walker soldiers, but whatever.
01:22:07
Why? And why they got?
01:22:08
To be sued right. They already fucking killing
01:22:10
everything so right, so that's that don't even right you.
01:22:14
I mean, unless you're using them on.
01:22:15
People. Right, that don't agree to.
01:22:19
Because the ones that you had in the.
01:22:21
Fighting Pit, one of the ones went and attacked one of your
01:22:25
own walkers so it doesn't it. Doesn't matter.
01:22:30
It doesn't matter if a group of people don't come with them or
01:22:33
agree to, they'll just release them on them.
01:22:38
Yeah, that might be part of the. 800 year plan.
01:22:40
Yeah. When people don't agree, we just
01:22:45
release. When people don't agree, we just
01:22:47
release because they know how to fight regular walkers, but they
01:22:50
won't know how to fight our walkers right now.
01:22:52
No souped up walkers. Unless their name.
01:22:56
Is Daryl Dixon that part so. But yeah, I, I.
01:23:03
Can't wait to see OK. So if Carol makes it over to
01:23:05
France, I can't wait to see what her reaction is going to be to
01:23:08
some of these walkers, like the the burning walkers, the ass
01:23:11
walkers she's going to be looking.
01:23:14
Like what the fuck take me? Back home, Daryl is going to
01:23:17
have to fend for us. She's going to be like, no,
01:23:21
she's going to be lost as hell. Right, as soon as they touch
01:23:26
you, your skin. Hold on, wait a minute, right?
01:23:31
But. But but.
01:23:33
But you have to keep in mind there aren't that many walkers
01:23:37
in Paris. Yes they were isolated around
01:23:40
the Eiffel Tower but remember for the most part there were no
01:23:43
walkers. So I don't even think unless
01:23:46
they just coming up popping up out the ground.
01:23:49
Whack a mole style. But but even me and Paris is a
01:23:53
concrete jungle. Yeah, yeah, You know what I
01:23:56
mean? Yeah.
01:23:57
So it's like. Where's she going to encounter
01:23:59
them at so again, what do they say?
01:24:03
Fear the living, fight the dead. They She got to fear these
01:24:06
motherfuckers. Who's alive?
01:24:08
That's gonna be her biggest threat.
01:24:10
The. Walkers.
01:24:11
Really ain't no threat in France like in France, because they
01:24:16
really ain't that. Many they have.
01:24:18
Gathered so many that if you do find some I doubt it's a lot
01:24:22
yeah, I mean, we we talked about that last season 'cause.
01:24:25
Remember I I was talking about the lack of herds.
01:24:29
Yeah. You don't really rounded them
01:24:32
all up. Could be.
01:24:34
Yeah. Unless they start killing and
01:24:37
then. And you got to.
01:24:38
Think too with with the herds like just like us, they are
01:24:43
migrating in in different locations.
01:24:45
You see what I'm saying? It's a large landmass.
01:24:48
They walk into another country and unless they are.
01:24:55
I've lost my train. Of thought.
01:24:56
Oh, unless they are killing people to make them the herd,
01:25:01
they're killing people who are alive.
01:25:02
But if you're killing everybody who are alive, who you gonna
01:25:05
have to. Yeah, Because that doesn't seem
01:25:07
to be. Their MO because even in the
01:25:11
earlier episodes or in the flashback episodes when Daryl
01:25:14
was basically remembering how he got to be in France, they came
01:25:19
over looking specifically for walkers, not people.
01:25:24
They only took the people because the people didn't follow
01:25:27
the rules that were said, you know, that was set forth or
01:25:30
Daryl and and the other people, they got into a fight and that
01:25:33
was like one of the rules was no fighting.
01:25:36
So yeah, that doesn't make sense.
01:25:40
Because they weren't looking. For people now.
01:25:43
And you know what if? They had again.
01:25:48
We are talking about 15 years if they've been doing experiments
01:25:54
on their walkers the way that we've seen or, you know, their
01:25:58
walkers are just, they've died off or they've killed them.
01:26:02
I guess in that sense, with with the countryside being absent of
01:26:08
them, it would make sense for them to have to go to another
01:26:11
country to find walkers. Yeah.
01:26:15
Because of you, if all of your walkers are are.
01:26:17
Gone or not, you know, or I would say this because like when
01:26:22
Daryl was in the warehouse when he first got to France, those
01:26:26
those walkers were the burning walkers, they were the acid
01:26:30
walkers. So that means that those walkers
01:26:32
at some point have already been experimented on.
01:26:36
So maybe that's why they're having to come over to the
01:26:38
States because they're looking for walkers that have not been
01:26:42
altered in any way and they still need to do the the
01:26:46
experiments. That would make sense.
01:26:47
And that would also explain why we don't really see walkers in
01:26:50
France, because they've probably tested all of them.
01:26:53
And if you have the ones like the one that was in that
01:26:56
deathmatch where when he got shot up with the serum, it
01:27:00
overpowered his system and his brain exploded.
01:27:03
If they had that happening a lot towards the beginning, then that
01:27:10
could explain. I mean, they literally could
01:27:12
have gone through all the walkers in France.
01:27:14
I mean, it would seem unlikely, but like you said, if if France
01:27:19
is about the size of Texas, I mean, Texas is pretty big, but
01:27:23
it's not like the United States. So it's not like they've killed
01:27:27
a whole country, you know, or a whole North American sized
01:27:32
countries worth of walkers, you know, maybe a few 100. 1000, but
01:27:39
in 10. 15 years that could be. That could be believable.
01:27:48
And. Then you know, they could have
01:27:49
pushed them into Spain. Could have pushed them into
01:27:53
Germany, could have pushed them into Italy.
01:27:55
I mean, we just don't know. Could have pushed them in the
01:27:57
ocean. I hate you know.
01:27:59
What I'm saying, I'm saying like.
01:28:00
We don't really, yeah, really know, but.
01:28:04
My thing is, I'm. Going to go as a scientist, so
01:28:07
if we're doing that and I want something different, I would
01:28:10
like to see the strands of American.
01:28:17
Yeah, a different strand because that's going.
01:28:19
To be a different strand, yeah, yeah.
01:28:23
So and that could, I mean, we don't know what the storyline is
01:28:28
for season. 3 yet, but we. Do know that they're filming in
01:28:31
Madrid, so it's possible they may be going to Spain.
01:28:34
So it could have something to do with that too.
01:28:36
Like, oh, maybe let's go get some Spanish walkers and see
01:28:42
what we can figure out 'cause again, we still don't know why
01:28:44
they're doing the experiments. Yeah, they could be looking for
01:28:48
to weaponize them, but they could also be looking for a
01:28:52
cure. We just don't know.
01:28:54
I don't see a cure. I know I I.
01:28:58
Don't you know at this point? Because we don't.
01:29:02
Far because we still the apartment.
01:29:03
Caused it, but the fact that everybody is infected, yeah,
01:29:08
that would be a hard thing, I think, to cure.
01:29:12
Yeah, yeah, that's how 'cause right now it's.
01:29:16
At this. Point.
01:29:17
It's just like. Kind of like.
01:29:20
What in the world beyond how they had?
01:29:22
Like their older people in these rooms where if you die, you're
01:29:26
contained. But I mean, sure that cause all
01:29:30
you're doing at this point is making sure you're safe from it.
01:29:34
Yeah, because if you. If you think back.
01:29:39
A lot of times. The prison.
01:29:42
When people were sick and that's how everybody else got infect,
01:29:45
you know, got got big if they. Had that system.
01:29:51
Like in these safer communities that would help them, of course.
01:29:55
But even still, even with World Beyond, they had researchers,
01:29:59
but they wasn't working on people who were sick.
01:30:02
Fix the person who was sick first.
01:30:04
Yeah, before they even get to that point.
01:30:07
But once they. Die.
01:30:07
No, no, no. Hell, didn't Jennings tell us
01:30:10
that in the beginning? There's no way to reverse it?
01:30:13
He basically said that, Yeah. So they're basically is.
01:30:17
No cure and. Everybody's infected, no.
01:30:20
Because one, how would you even like if if?
01:30:25
Such a thing as a cure. For something like this were to
01:30:28
exist, how would you even disperse it at this point?
01:30:33
Wait. Where did you find the people?
01:30:37
'Cause it's not like it's no. Mass Communications.
01:30:40
You can't put a newspaper out. You can't mail a letter.
01:30:43
Well, no, but I mean you still don't even know where all the.
01:30:45
Communities are. Yes, in the ones that live,
01:30:49
they're now doing outreach for, you know, people who need help.
01:30:53
But even still, the CRM, even with them doing that, ain't
01:30:57
gonna be able to reach everybody.
01:30:58
Yeah, there'll be things that people will say, oh, there's
01:31:02
this group that will help you if you ask for help.
01:31:05
But, you know, they plan was to basically sweep the whole
01:31:08
fucking country. They're not doing that now.
01:31:10
Yeah. So how do you get the word out?
01:31:13
That there's a. Team, you know, you see all
01:31:16
higher Terminus did. We thought Terminus was safe.
01:31:19
Sanctuary for all, really. Yeah.
01:31:23
So BBQ. For all hello painted meat yeah
01:31:31
yeah. So yeah, I mean those are the
01:31:33
things that they. At this point, if they were
01:31:38
going to fix it and have been fixed, that's just my thought at
01:31:41
this far into it. Yeah, if, if, if there was a
01:31:45
cure, they would have. Found it already.
01:31:48
Yeah, I agree. But again, we still need to know
01:31:53
what the hell they are actually doing.
01:31:55
They, they do need to. And we, we need some answers
01:31:57
about that at this point. We do There's.
01:32:01
There's still answers we need, even.
01:32:02
From before 'cause I know, I know our whole reason for coming
01:32:06
to France, that Walker who shot herself and immediately got up
01:32:09
at what? We never got an answer for that.
01:32:14
Yeah, we haven't. There's still some.
01:32:17
Unanswered and who and who? Would be the one to answer that
01:32:20
because how long ago was that yeah to now so you went from you
01:32:27
know shooting yourself and immediately regenerating to we
01:32:33
injecting y'all with a serum so you can be a super Walker and we
01:32:37
don't even know when she. When she was shot, yeah.
01:32:42
We don't know how far after. All of that.
01:32:44
You know everything started right so.
01:32:49
Yeah. Questions.
01:32:51
I I just. Hope I need them to start.
01:32:53
Answering some of this shit right and.
01:32:55
That's what I was about to say 1.
01:32:56
Thing I, I really don't want them to do is just drag the
01:33:01
story out and then not give us any answers that we need.
01:33:06
Because that's one of the things I will say I did not like about
01:33:12
the ones who live. Because you built up the CRM
01:33:16
literally from the first episode of the main show with that
01:33:21
helicopter you, you put elements of the CRM into every single
01:33:29
spinoff or story that we had. Except for.
01:33:34
I don't think there was a mention of them in Dead City or
01:33:37
so far I mention of them in Darrell.
01:33:39
But still you put enough of their information and their
01:33:44
footprint into the universe that for it to go up the way that it
01:33:52
did with Rick and Michonne, which if that's only one part of
01:33:55
the CRM, I cannot. OK, that's fine.
01:33:59
There are other parts of the CRM and we know that that that
01:34:03
action had a trickle down effect and to the rest of the CRM, are
01:34:08
you going to give us more CRM story?
01:34:11
Are you going to tell us why they were such a big part of of
01:34:15
this story enough that you kept leaving the bread crumbs for us?
01:34:21
Are we going to see any of those bread crumbs appear in this
01:34:24
show? My I just, you know, those are
01:34:27
some of the questions I still have because.
01:34:31
Something at at some point. And I know that they they may
01:34:36
not do this, but at some point all of these stories are going
01:34:41
to have to tie back together. Yes, they are.
01:34:44
They don't have to. Because.
01:34:48
I feel like if you continue to tell the separate stories, like
01:34:53
I have no problems with the separate stores.
01:34:56
I don't care about Daryl Dixon having 2-3 Four Seasons, as long
01:35:02
as the story makes sense. Going back to Dead City, that
01:35:05
story is going to have to make sense, you know, and, and we we
01:35:09
see that was a slow burn. And I think out of all of the
01:35:13
shows, that one for me had the the least amount of payoff
01:35:18
because you took you took a character art for one character,
01:35:23
Maggie. And instead of moving her
01:35:25
forward, you took her all the way back to the beginning of her
01:35:28
grief, all the way back to the beginning.
01:35:32
Right. So it's like that story is going
01:35:35
to. Need to come along and and
01:35:37
develop and make sense. If they come up with other spin
01:35:42
offs. We hear that there's other
01:35:45
things taking place. But you know what?
01:35:47
I'm I'm OK if they don't connect?
01:35:50
Depending on where they are. So Dead City are too close to
01:35:53
where everything else happened. Even the CRM it has to connect
01:35:58
some parts. It's hard to even see how Dead
01:36:00
City is going to connect Daryl. I can understand that's not
01:36:04
connecting, but that's just shows us a different place of
01:36:08
what's happening. No, I need the I need the Daryl
01:36:11
story, you know what I'm saying? The.
01:36:11
Connection to reunite. That I I need well.
01:36:15
Yeah, but I'm somehow even the other part, not the.
01:36:18
Not the family reuniting, but just it making a connection to
01:36:21
what's happening in the States. I'm OK with that.
01:36:25
Even the fear I was OK with because you started off in
01:36:28
California, like I don't expect you to to migrate all the way to
01:36:33
the original crew, right, Right. It didn't need that didn't need
01:36:36
to happen. Now if they moved into an area
01:36:40
where you say the CRM, well that then that would make sense for
01:36:44
you to encounter. And they did a couple of times.
01:36:46
So OK, you tied that in, right. But and like with don't give me
01:36:51
on Dead City, right? Yeah, yeah.
01:36:54
Yeah, but that OK. Don't even get on Dead City.
01:36:57
But Daryl, I'm OK with because I know that's just a separate
01:37:02
location and we're getting, we're getting a view of another
01:37:07
part of the world that's dealing with what we dealt with and how
01:37:11
our people will be able to negotiate in that environment
01:37:18
and if they ever make it home. That's a good shop that you make
01:37:23
home 'cause that's. A feat, though?
01:37:25
I mean, honestly, that's a feat to go.
01:37:27
From no defeat, just getting her across the water.
01:37:30
Yes, get him even over. There and then if she makes it
01:37:35
and she we say if she makes it when it's about her going to
01:37:40
save him so of course she don't make it but even I'm just amazed
01:37:46
that they even. Make it 'cause that plane.
01:37:47
Can fall apart. I mean, in the middle.
01:37:51
It's not even an international flight.
01:37:54
Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, I mean like, he doesn't.
01:37:56
Have another. Pilot, you know, But that's what
01:38:01
he was talking about when he was showing her the map.
01:38:03
He was saying, I think we need to stay close to the coast and
01:38:06
then we need to make a pit stop in Greenland so they can refuel.
01:38:09
So it's not like he's going straight from the States.
01:38:12
I know, but it's just, it's just, I'm just like.
01:38:14
Steal I know we'll we'll just I I'm better off if.
01:38:18
She found. A fisherman.
01:38:23
Than the pilot, but she got to get there fast.
01:38:26
And it's going to take some time.
01:38:28
We got to explore something a little different, so.
01:38:31
We'll no, I'm like, rather like the boat.
01:38:33
Came back to pick up more Americans and she smuggled her
01:38:36
way on it. Like they going to do that
01:38:38
Daryl? Fuck the boat up.
01:38:40
It has to be another boat like these people and.
01:38:43
They probably had to do what they had to do to find.
01:38:46
That one not your toe up. My one good boat.
01:38:51
Now you know they. They they, they have to have.
01:38:53
Some more than just one. Well, I mean most most of the
01:38:57
boats. If you think about it, when all
01:39:01
of this stuff. Started happening.
01:39:03
You had people who were on cruises.
01:39:05
You, I mean, we saw that in the Alpha episode of Tales, you
01:39:10
know, they were on a, a dinner cruise boat and you saw the you
01:39:15
saw the downed cruise ship when Michonne was looking for Rick.
01:39:20
And then I don't think you guys haven't watched dead in the
01:39:24
water, have you? The one about the sub Riley sub?
01:39:28
OK, so, so you had the people who were on the sub and and all,
01:39:32
you know, like somebody died from appendicitis and it started
01:39:37
there on the boat. So boats might.
01:39:41
Be few and far. Between because most of them
01:39:43
might be infested, yeah, but you go clean them out I mean, I'm.
01:39:47
Just saying you will not pick a cruise ship.
01:39:49
I love cruises. However, they do need to go to
01:39:52
dry dock more than some of these other ones that are container
01:39:56
ships. They will do best with container
01:39:58
ships. Those will be the ones that you
01:40:00
will try to compensate or any military ships because they are
01:40:05
a little longer lasting, right. So you will try to get those
01:40:11
people off the boat. They're dead.
01:40:14
Yeah. So, OK, well, OK, so we got
01:40:22
Carol. On her way to France, yes.
01:40:28
You've got Daryl, kind of. I don't want to say he's butting
01:40:32
heads with Losang at the nest, but clearly, Daryl, you have the
01:40:38
ulterior motive. I I I don't know if.
01:40:42
I feel like. Losang does that other chick,
01:40:46
she kind of worries me because she's a little more gung ho.
01:40:49
And even though she's the one who's like, when, when Laurent
01:40:53
is doing stuff, he doesn't need to be doing this.
01:40:55
He needs to be studying, he needs to be focused and blah,
01:40:58
blah, blah. I was like, yeah, you are,
01:40:59
though. Too intense for my liking.
01:41:04
I don't trust. Her I don't know what it is
01:41:07
about her I. Don't trust her.
01:41:10
Lo saying I'm. Kind of on the fence with him.
01:41:15
I'll see how. I feel about him in the next
01:41:17
episode when, when we see like, what is that path moving forward
01:41:24
with Laurent? That again, that is my big
01:41:26
question. You keep saying he's the savior,
01:41:29
he's the Messiah. He's going to he's going to fix
01:41:32
everything. Whatever.
01:41:33
I need to know what your plans are for Laurent.
01:41:35
And then I'll decide how I feel about Lo Sang and the rest of
01:41:39
the nest. But you did get a little back.
01:41:42
You did get a meal back, so that's a good thing.
01:41:47
Again, I don't know why he didn't kill 'cause they listen
01:41:50
to Darryl. Yeah.
01:41:52
Yeah, but I don't know why. He didn't kill Madam Janay, and
01:41:55
I have a feeling that's going to come back to bite him in the
01:41:56
ass. Somebody's going to die.
01:41:59
Somebody's going to die. Yeah, it's going to be.
01:42:03
Is it one of the two people that or?
01:42:05
How many people? They say like 6, it's going to
01:42:07
be one of them. Well, we only know about.
01:42:09
We only know two of them. And we only care about two of
01:42:12
them, so it's going to be one of them.
01:42:15
But but the in. In the same vein.
01:42:18
I don't know why don't just kill there.
01:42:21
Like in the same way he could have just killed her.
01:42:23
You see, this man is giving you issues.
01:42:27
Yeah. Cutest man, I mean, although she
01:42:30
said him that, you know. Her gotta do it and.
01:42:32
He was like, Nah, but you know, do it yourself then you know,
01:42:36
you know, 'cause once he threw the walk ahead that you bitch,
01:42:40
that was your sign. I might not want to play with
01:42:43
this man I. Might just want to kill him now
01:42:45
I know. Right, 'cause y'all waited till
01:42:48
the walk ahead come flying. And everybody go.
01:42:49
Run it. Wait, what?
01:42:51
You just gonna let your prisoners?
01:42:53
OK, girl. Yeah.
01:42:54
Yeah, you a horrible warden. OK, but I I don't.
01:43:05
Know I just. I just kind of feel for
01:43:09
everything. Once Carol, once Carol gets to
01:43:12
France, it's just it's going to be over.
01:43:15
It's going to be over. Carol The.
01:43:18
Destructor. Yeah, and.
01:43:20
Well, they all are. And now it's two of them there,
01:43:23
so it's even more mess. Yeah.
01:43:25
And and again this goes back to this.
01:43:28
Has to be taking place before Rick and Michelle got home,
01:43:31
because especially since Carol is using somebody's plane to get
01:43:35
over to France. If Rick had been back already,
01:43:37
they'd have. Oh yeah, they would definitely
01:43:40
have. Oh yeah, so now we we just need
01:43:43
like I. Said if Rick was back.
01:43:44
They would that, she was saying. That first she you not going
01:43:48
that's not information you going to hold off on, right, right.
01:43:51
It's just not. That's the most important thing.
01:43:53
Ain't that? Hey, guess who here?
01:43:56
Yeah, I'll call that other. Shit.
01:43:59
So like. Honestly, in the in the grand
01:44:02
scheme of things, yeah. So Carol's on.
01:44:05
Her way to France and God help him.
01:44:11
You guys have any final thoughts on episode 1 of season 2?
01:44:17
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