#daryldixon #thewalkingdead #TWD Daryl's resilience in the Pit brings an unwelcome result for Madame Genet. A sacrifice is made to save Isabelle and Laurent. Daryl and the group make it to The Nest helped by an unexpected accomplice. Daryl begins to make plans to return home, but is torn. Back in the States, a familiar face has begun their search for Daryl.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Casey and Michelle and we are finally getting around to
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discussing the season one episode of Daryl Dixon.
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We couldn't do it without Michelle.
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You know she was off gallivanting for the last
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episode so we had to wait for her to come back and then we all
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had to get settled with life. So now we are discussing the
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season 1 finale. How are y'all feeling about this
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show so far? Darrell need to go home.
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Darrell need to go home. LeBron need a whooping.
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That's that's pretty much part for the course.
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Right. I mean, it's nothing else to say
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after after those two things, right?
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I. Think the thing that really
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bothers me and not necessarily about the show, what bothers me
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about the characters or the people that we are meeting.
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Everybody is expecting Daryl to want to stay there and how
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important he is to Laurent and blah blah blah and continuously
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is telling y'all he has family at home, he has people back
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home. I think Isabel said something to
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him about she was trying to make him feel guilty.
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She said something about comparing him breaking his
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promise to or him not being there for Laurent, kind of
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comparing it to his father not being there for him.
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I was like, hold up, he got other children back home that he
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need to be there for that. Part yeah.
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And and that's what was, that's the part that bothers me about
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this episode, honestly. It's like this is they're making
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Darrell feel responsible for him.
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Laurent, right? Yeah.
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Just because Laurent is. You have to stay here with us.
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Yeah, Like I. Because he hasn't had this kind
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of influence before, right? That's y'all's fault.
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So it's very hard like excuse me friends, I mean he walked into
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your life, let him walk. You don't even have you even ask
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him his history. You so busy with this going on.
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But that's why but you. Know Darrell, Darrell has always
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been very open since the beginning, even when he agreed
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to take him 'cause he remember he wanted a radio.
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Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll take him if I can get back home.
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So he's always been very clear on what his mission is.
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No matter what has come along. I got people I gotta get back
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to. I got people you gotta get.
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How can I get to the boat when the boat coming where I gotta
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get to the bar? Darrell has been very clear.
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I'm gonna help you. But that's who Darrell is.
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I'm gonna help you. But I still got to go off and do
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what I got to do. Because even when he left
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Commonwealth, he knew he had to take care of them.
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Damn kids. But he loved his brother.
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He's like, let me go see what I can find out.
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But what he say I'll be back. So you can't think that this man
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ain't going to keep this promise.
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Even even going all the way back to season 1 where he was
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dedicated out there looking for Sophia.
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He's not going to stop until he's done.
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He do what he said he was going to do.
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Once it's accomplished, you know I'm on.
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I'm gone. But we don't have a history like
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this where I'm just going to leave all my family behind.
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And just staying friends, like they don't know what has
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happened to me. And especially with all of the
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loss they have had in that group in recent years, nothing about
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Daryl would make me think that he would be the type.
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Be like, OK, I'm just going to leave them to wonder.
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And I'm just going to stay over here and kick it with Laurent
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and Isabel. And I'm telling y'all again,
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they, they they pushing this Isabel and Darrell, they doing.
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Too many I'm on I'm on your side now they.
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Doing too many. More at first I was like, no,
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but they are trying to push this relationship and I'm not feeling
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and I've really felt it in this episode because it's like
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Darrell was around when Judith was a baby.
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Even RJ was a baby. He that that's like his kids
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pretty much. He is Uncle Darrell, this little
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boy. Well, we know for like 2 weeks.
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How long has it been? A month maybe?
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It's probably been a couple of months at this point because
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they've. Still not enough time.
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Still not enough time. You know, you asking him to stay
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like you that. They're making all of these
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different little references, like Lo saying, oh, maybe, maybe
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it's not about, you know, the mission, why you want to stay,
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why he's looking at Isabel and Laurent down at the bottom.
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I was like y'all are really making.
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Me, I don't. I'm not caring for.
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It. Because he and, but he's not
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either in a way, because he like I but we have to, even if this
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is what you push it, you have to look at Darrell's track record.
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Because at the end of the day, Darrell's going to do what he
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need to do for the people that he love, the people he care
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about, because he was gone. And remember, he was off in the
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forest living tree life with Leah.
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But when it came down to it, he killed Leah for Maggie.
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He not he's he don't give a damn.
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Right. OK, but is important to him and
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to think I'm just going to leave them and stay here with you that
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no, that's not going to. Happen.
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Yeah. No, but the thing with Leah is
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different because Leah turned on him, you know what I'm saying?
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Like she was with this other group and when he gave her the
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opportunity to come back with him and to be with his people,
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she made the choice to. Yes, she killed Pope, but then
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she turned on Daryl. So that was a little bit
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different. But the thing that worries me
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about the whole thing with Daryl and Isabel is one we already
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know. When it comes to Daryl and The
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Walking Dead fandom, there are two clear camps as far as who
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people want to see him with. You got Carol over here and you
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got Connie over here. Now notice they have never made
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anything concrete with either of those two characters.
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They keep putting like a couple of feelings and a couple of
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bread crumbs, but there's they've never crossed that line.
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But here you have a stranger like Leah, you bring her in and
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all of a sudden he's like in this committed relationship.
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And you know, after he leaves and comes back to find her, he
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leaves her and no, I belong with you and all this other stuff.
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So I feel like they're probably going to push the Isabel thing,
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one, because she's an unknown, and two, because that gives them
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a way to make Darrell Dixon a sexual being and to make him in
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a relationship without having to choose size in the main fandom.
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I feel like it's a cop out it. It.
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Is I I can teen kind? She paid a sign that said teen
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kind of just that quick all day. But I mean, but either way it
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goes. I'm not saying that a
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relationship with Isabel would be a bad thing, because I think
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in the right circumstances, it probably could work.
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This is somebody who has no idea of Daryl's past.
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She knows nothing about the person that he was.
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It would be an opportunity for fresh start, similar to the way
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it was with Leah. However, I'm just not buying it.
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It's like I said, I felt, I felt those vibes and what they were
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trying to do from the very first episode.
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I knew that's the direction they were going to try to go.
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And you do see it a little bit more in this episode because
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they're they're stealing looks at each other and they're doing
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this and. It's just.
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But even even if they do make that a thing, Darrell will still
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leave her ass even if they do make them a couple.
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Or he's going to tell her to come with like.
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Yeah, coming with him, but I don't even I'm now I was in
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denial because I again saying, you know, it was friendly, she
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was the nun, everything. But I'm still not even.
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I'm not buying their chemistry either.
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I'm not buying it for romantic reasons.
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It just doesn't feel quite there yet.
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I do. I do feel like I do, I do feel a
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little bit of the flirtatiousness and I do feel I
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think a a little bit more from maybe her side.
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But with Daryl, what's? The notice of flirting I don't
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notice of flirting. I'm I'm not talking about openly
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flirting, 'cause we know Daryl does not openly flirt.
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No, no, no, but I'm just saying where I mean, aside from when
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the guy at the at the that Abby, the guy at finesse was like, you
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know, looking at her and saying that.
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But even with their inaction between each other, everything
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that I feel that she does for him is like her pushing Laurent
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on him, like stay because of him.
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He needs this male figure. He needs some of a guy like
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she's. Clearly deflecting.
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She's clearly deflecting. OK, 'cause I don't see.
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It she's deflecting. You, you understand what I'm
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saying, 'cause even when Quinn was like, you know, trying to
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see what they had going on, 'cause, you know, he loved her
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so much. But, you know, even when he was
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trying to figure it out, I still, even then, I would have
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still seen her back with Quinn. Then I would have seen her with
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her. No, I I see where it's coming
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from on her end, but it it's almost like she thinks she feels
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something for him and she's trying to deny it.
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One, because she knows that his goal is to go home. 2 Because
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also she hasn't been in that type of relationship for so long
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that maybe she's not, I don't want to say she doesn't
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understand what she's feeling, but maybe she's just to the
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point where she was like, no, that's just a little bit of, you
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know, it could be just a little bit of lust.
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Like she ain't been with a man since she's been at the, the
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Abbey. So it could be a little bit of
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that and then, you know, to kind of hide that or not.
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You know Quinn was ready. Give your weight.
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Holding back the years. After finding out that he
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fathered your nephew. No, I wouldn't either.
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I don't. Care what I'm saying he, he, she
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had a willing. Participant, but she has to be
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willing and she was not with Quinn at all.
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However, I feel like maybe with Daryl she might.
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But I mean again, like I said, I.
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Different little. The different little looks
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between each other, You know, when she first came out onto the
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thing, when after she was recovering from her, her stab
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wound, you know, then looking at each other other thing.
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He's like hi, and she's like hi. I was like, Oh my God, please
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don't tell me we're going to deal with this.
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The whole episode and it's just a little things.
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He's sitting there at dinner and he's looking across at her and
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she's looking across at him and slapped.
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That feels forced. That feels forced it it I'm.
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Sorry, it does, it does, but I mean it just was my force does
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not change the fact that it's that it's there.
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And I've been saying this since episode 1.
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Like y'all really about to try to make this a thing?
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Right. And I was just thinking, you
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know, she's just friendly. Rich people is friendly, you
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know, and, you know. That's that's very coded.
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I believe me, I watch enough, I I watch enough romance type
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things and. People do too.
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And I just I was, I was just ignoring it because normally
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with those you can you can feel it from the beginning and I
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don't feel it from the beginning.
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I. I don't either.
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So that's why I just was like, yeah, no, you know, she's just
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being friendly. Yeah.
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No, I mean, I'm sorry. I was just in denial because I
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just don't want that to. I don't want that to because I'm
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not. I don't want that to be the
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reason why he don't go home, right?
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And then, of course, you throw in, you throw in this child who
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has gotten attached to Darryl and he has also seemingly gotten
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attached to him, which is understandable.
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I mean, I think we've had this discussion before.
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Like Darryl is not a dad, but Darryl is a dad in all the ways
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that counts. He is taking care of multiple
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children when it comes to this zombie apocalypse, and I just
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feel like they're using that in a way to keep him there.
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And it's not just Isabel, because I don't think Isabel is
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doing it on purpose. I really feel like she's getting
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to the point where she's starting to panic because she
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realizes that Daryl is this close to going home and she does
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not want him to leave for whatever reason.
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I mean, even if it doesn't have to do with a romantic feeling,
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even if it doesn't have to do with her wanting him to be there
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as an example for Laurent, she admitted in this episode, she
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feels safe with him. She feels protected with him.
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She knows that he she knows that he's a dangerous man and she
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knows that he knows what he's doing.
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And I think when you are in a situation where you've had the
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protection of this one place for so long and now it's just kind
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of out there, you're out there. You don't know what's going on.
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Like, yeah, you have these people at the nest, which you,
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you know, you finally have gotten to.
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But it's, these are not your people in a sense.
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They don't know you. They don't know what you've been
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through. They only know certain things
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about you. Like they know that you're, you
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know that you've been protecting Laurent.
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You, they know that Laurent, they think he's the Messiah.
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What whatever this this thing is that they think about him.
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I think she just, she kind of wants to hold on to him for the
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same reason Laurent did, where Laurent was like, all the people
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that I, that I love are gone. I don't want to be alone.
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I don't think she wants to be alone.
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So even if there is no no romantic feelings on her part at
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this point, I just feel like she just she wants the familiarity,
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but she got she gonna have to the the guilt trips are really
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was starting to like you could kind of that's getting on my
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nerves. And a couple of a couple of
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episodes ago, you could kind of see a a a thing here and a sang
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there and just a hint, but not like they were laying it on
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heavy and thick in this episode, especially once he he brings up
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his grandfather and the fact that, you know, this episode
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started out with D-Day on the beaches of Normandy and there
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was grandfather was there. And so he gives Isabelle a
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little bit of a background about that, about how his grandfather
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wasn't there for his dad and his dad turned out to be a shitty
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father. And, you know, just kind of that
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whole thing about how I hated that, how psyched I didn't mind
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his part of it. You know, as far as like him
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telling the story, because we don't hear a lot of Daryl's
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family except for the bad stuff, him to turn around and use that
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against him. I didn't.
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Like that? But.
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See, we and and I think we're fortunate as a viewer because we
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have the back history on him with Merle and all the stories
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like with him and Beth and he should we got more insight on
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what his family was like. So we have background and for
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somebody who don't know him to come in and now you're trying to
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psychologically evaluate me and tell me all these.
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She's manipulating. We're we're not even going.
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You're manipulating. Him, she's manipulating him, was
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attempting to manipulate him. Yeah, 'cause that's Ian.
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You see he gone, He's like I. And then what happens at the end
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when he does leave, he's almost the boat is almost.
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Badass. Boy, and Laurent is there and I
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don't. How about there, girl?
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When I watched it at the end and you could kind of see they did a
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long shot of Daryl on the beach and Laurent and all the walkers
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coming up. Did you notice Daryl was he was
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looking at the boat, he was looking at Laurent.
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And then all of a sudden you see him hang his head.
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It's like, why would y'all do that to this man?
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Because here's the thing, we know Daryl.
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We know his character. We know if he feels responsible
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for Laurent, he's gonna go do whatever he needs to do to
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protect Laurent, make sure Laurent is being taken care of,
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being treated right, whatever. But if Darrell Dixon was a
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different type of person and was starting to feel resentful about
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the fact that y'all are putting all of this responsibility on
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him for a child that he, technically speaking, barely
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knows, this could turn out to be a whole different thing.
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Guess what Laurent Ass would have been in America?
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Right. I can't take you back.
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We would have been. Look, we'll, we'll see.
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You ain't look, you don't have to worry about me leaving 'cause
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you weren't with me. We getting on them both
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together, baby. I just that, that whole thing
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just making him feel guilty. Oh, well, you know what?
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Sometimes when a man leaves home, he finds the place that
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he's really supposed to be. If you know, shut the fuck up
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and let this man go home. And that's what.
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All because of your and, and, and.
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OK, I, I, I really try not to get on this soapbox, but you
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always see it when it comes to people who are dealing with
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faith issues, religious issues and, and, and zealous fanatics.
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Any time that it comes to religion, it's like your their
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beliefs or what they what they want.
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What they believe is always supposed to supersede everyone
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else's. 'Cause you wouldn't be on this
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path if not for God. He wouldn't have been bringing
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you here if this wasn't really the place you were supposed to
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be. Because I mean, technically, why
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else would you end up in France if you're an American?
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I mean, this your purpose. But he.
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Should have. He can spin it though and use
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the same thing. But I have finished my mission.
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This was my purpose and my purpose have been served.
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So now I gotta go and find my. Family.
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Or you can just tell the truth. So let me tell you how I got the
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friend is sending people to America to make American walkers
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to bring them back here for all of these little walkers that I
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just got finished killing in this death match.
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That's what you really, that's what he really should have said.
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He should have told her. OK, so let me educate you on how
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I got to France. And it had nothing to do with me
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wanting to be, you know, me wanting to see the world.
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I don't want. I don't need to see that much of
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the world 'cause I know for a fact Rick Grimes ain't over
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here, you know what I'm saying? So it just, it bothers me that
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they they are so they are so focused and so selfish as far as
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what they want. And again, we still don't know
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what they're going to do with Laurent.
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Like through the course of this episode, Laurent has arrived at
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the nest and we see everybody treating him like he's a special
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kid. This, that and the other, same
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thing that we've seen with the other location, but it's like.
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So y'all keep saying he's a special kid, y'all keep saying
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he's the Messiah, he's going to change the world.
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How exactly are y'all planning to do that?
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Because even through the end of this episode, this is the Season
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1 finale, we still don't know exactly what that means for
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Laurent. What his purpose is?
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Right. And again I feel like because he
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don't. Even know aside for no all, I
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know I'm supposed to be able to save everybody, right?
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And it's like for for us, like Michelle and I, we watched The
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Last of Us, so we know kind of they had a similar storyline
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with another child. And that storyline didn't well,
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almost didn't work out well for her because they knew that she
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had something in her to save everyone.
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But what they were going to have to do was kill her and take
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pieces of her brain and experiment and do all this other
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stuff. Are they going to do the same
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thing with the rock? Like do they even have the means
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to do that? Because we know they have
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doctors. Somebody fixed Izzy up.
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But like, what is the whole purpose of this child, this
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Messiah? What are y'all doing?
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And why do y'all think this is supposed to be like so extra
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important to Darrell? Because if y'all fix whatever
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y'all fixing over there at France, y'all have a whole other
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problem to deal with in France, which is Madame Janay.
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If y'all find out that Laurent is in fact this savior, this
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Messiah, this cure to everything I am, I don't even know if
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they're considering him, him a cure.
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But obviously, you using the words like Messiah and savior,
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you thinking that he's going to be an answer to the problem that
00:22:10
y'all have, which is the walkers.
00:22:13
Madame Janay is trying to dispel that information because she
00:22:19
wants to be the savior of France.
00:22:20
She wants to build a new France. And she thinks that people who
00:22:23
are believing in him are believing in, you know, just
00:22:26
fairy tales. So if y'all do prove that this
00:22:31
boy is special, y'all gonna have a whole different battle to
00:22:36
fight because she's really going to be gunning after y'all.
00:22:39
Then if Darrell leaves and goes across the sea, ain't nobody
00:22:44
coming to chase him. He didn't already fucked one of
00:22:47
her bolts up. He had killed multiple of her,
00:22:50
her soldiers. And even in this episode at the
00:22:55
beginning they put him against several of those hyped up
00:22:59
walkers and he kills them with Quinn's help in this episode.
00:23:04
But they kill him. So obviously y'all don't want to
00:23:08
keep fucking with this man. But this group over here who may
00:23:12
or may not be able to fight, who may or may not be, you know,
00:23:16
delusional enough to say, oh, this boy is the Messiah.
00:23:20
Are y'all going to be prepared to, to fight like trained
00:23:24
soldiers? Because the nuns at the Abbey
00:23:27
weren't. They were trained, but not to
00:23:30
withstand that kind of assault, right?
00:23:33
So you got a whole different problem.
00:23:35
Let this man go home to his family.
00:23:37
And you would think, because I'm sure Madam Janay knows what he
00:23:43
wants, he want to go home, period.
00:23:46
You could. You already see you can't kill
00:23:48
this man. You can't get nobody else to
00:23:50
kill him. You can't like even your man who
00:23:54
you sent out on the mission, go get them.
00:23:57
Kill the boy, kill everybody. At the end has a change.
00:24:00
Couldn't even do it right. So it's nothing.
00:24:06
Even if you don't let him go home, leave that man alone.
00:24:08
Leave him alone. Because at what point do you say
00:24:12
yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't lost enough men.
00:24:15
I didn't he's because what he did in that deathmatch once he
00:24:20
killed the the last Walker and threw that head up there.
00:24:24
That's a big ass fuck you. I.
00:24:26
I almost expected him to turn around and shoot a bird at her
00:24:29
after he did that. I really expected that.
00:24:33
'Cause it's like, what if that's not a huge fuck you and all
00:24:37
these spectators that you had that were cheering at first for
00:24:40
the zombies, now they cheer for this man.
00:24:42
And you already got a problem with them praising the little
00:24:45
kid. Now he's going to become the
00:24:47
legend Darryl Dixon. Leave it ma'am alone and let
00:24:50
him. Alone.
00:24:50
Just let him. Go.
00:24:52
Won't you be like you want me to take you home?
00:24:54
I'll take you home. Right.
00:24:56
Like can't can I do that? Can I just get rid of you?
00:25:00
I I would send you back, yes. What do you need from me to make
00:25:06
that happen? Right.
00:25:07
Because. Obviously you are bad.
00:25:10
In all the plans that she have, like her, her vision, he's
00:25:15
fucking it up. Right.
00:25:17
And and it's not just behind scenes.
00:25:20
He's doing this in front of the people she's trying to win over
00:25:23
to her cause like your serum isn't even fully working because
00:25:30
you bring 4 walkers in one of them his head explodes because
00:25:37
he can't handle the serum and then the second one comes and
00:25:40
attacks another one and kills in it.
00:25:45
That thing was like oh I don't recognize you as a Walker.
00:25:47
You are. You are moving around.
00:25:49
I'm going. That was probably the funniest,
00:25:51
I said. Oh hell no.
00:25:53
'Cause even Daryl was looking like what the fuck?
00:25:56
Oh, OK. Thanks for taking care of that
00:25:59
for me. Right.
00:26:03
But I just yeah, Madam Janae just need the she just need to
00:26:07
leave there. Alone.
00:26:10
But we also have to realize all of our villains, not even, you
00:26:14
know, on this show, they get overzealous and they are
00:26:17
overconfident and they have so much faith that they are doing
00:26:21
the right thing that it never ends, correct.
00:26:24
Well, I mean, and, and that's the conversation we've had
00:26:28
before. Like they're all not necessarily
00:26:31
villains, because all of them what what is cheating?
00:26:34
You're you're all you always the hero in your own story.
00:26:38
You know you're only the villain in someone else's story.
00:26:42
No, she's the villain. No.
00:26:43
Yeah, I must say I'm sorry. She is, I mean, and I.
00:26:45
Do that. But she's doing it under the the
00:26:48
mindset that she's going to bring France back, you know, not
00:26:52
the way you. Going about I'm sorry that
00:26:54
there's no way that you you not you doing some other stuff I.
00:26:58
Don't know, because he's doing stuff he might not use the, the
00:27:02
walkers, the the experimented walkers or the accelerated
00:27:07
walkers, whatever we want to call them.
00:27:10
She might be planning to use those like, oh, OK, so we know
00:27:12
we got people in America. We know we got strong people in
00:27:15
America. Listen, those things over there
00:27:16
and just get rid of everybody. No, because depending on when
00:27:20
this is. Well, according to Quinn, it
00:27:25
like I said, according to Quinn, when he talked to Isabel about
00:27:29
giving her that jewelry, he said I didn't expect to have to wait
00:27:33
12 years to give it to you. So we're somewhere around, I
00:27:36
would say the 1213 year mark provided that he actually got
00:27:41
those gems at the start, which I think he did because he was
00:27:45
talking about how when everything fell, people could
00:27:49
just walk into the jewelry stores and just take whatever
00:27:51
they want. Well, if that's the case.
00:27:55
I'm sorry to go back. You weren't here for this
00:27:57
episode. If that's the case and that's
00:28:00
where we are in the timeline, Carol couldn't have said that
00:28:03
Rick was back. Oh well, I I agree with that
00:28:06
too. But here's the other thing.
00:28:08
So we do see it. Towards the end of the episode,
00:28:11
Carol makes an appearance. She's looking for there or she
00:28:14
finds the guy who has his bike. So my thing is, if Rick and
00:28:21
Michelle had already returned at that point, remember they were
00:28:27
the cause of changes in the CRM. You don't think Rick Grimes
00:28:31
could have said, hey, my brother is across seas, let's take one
00:28:35
of these helicopters and let's go?
00:28:37
He would have, he would have been, he would have been with
00:28:40
her because even though, yes, he probably would have been like,
00:28:43
I'm not leaving my children again.
00:28:45
Just like Michonne didn't want to leave her children.
00:28:48
And Judith said go bring my daddy home.
00:28:51
Judith is probably like, go get Uncle Daryl because he's
00:28:55
probably found himself in trouble.
00:28:58
So I, I don't think it, it's Rick that she was talking about
00:29:02
because there is no way, especially after a six year or
00:29:06
at this point 8 year separation. There is no way Rick is just
00:29:11
going to send Carol or let Carol go out there by herself to find
00:29:17
Daryl and he just going to sit behind and what?
00:29:19
Twiddle his thumbs or twiddle his thumb or you know what I'm
00:29:23
saying, not. Twiddle his thumb, I think.
00:29:30
I mean, there's just, there's no way that's going to happen.
00:29:34
So I'm going back. I'm going back to your theory,
00:29:38
Casey. It might be Morgan that we're
00:29:41
talking about. It could have been, I don't
00:29:46
know. But it it definitely can't be
00:29:47
Rick and Michonne. 'Cause they would have went with
00:29:50
him. Oh, absolutely they would have
00:29:51
went with her. I mean, they would have.
00:29:53
Well, we got to go find him. Let's.
00:29:55
Get our part of our family. Exactly, we got one part of our
00:29:58
family, let's go get the rest so it not.
00:30:02
Yeah, I don't think so. And then I I'm going.
00:30:04
To stick with Morgan. I wouldn't even.
00:30:07
I wouldn't be surprised if the CRM had a fleet.
00:30:11
Maybe not a big one, but they had every literally everything
00:30:16
else that a military can need. But wait, wasn't in the
00:30:19
beginning like the first? I was so.
00:30:23
Well when we saw the ship, didn't it have the CRM symbol on
00:30:26
it? The ship and the Daryl Dixon
00:30:30
ship, Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so either 'cause
00:30:35
we definitely would. Have said something about that.
00:30:38
OK. Yeah, we definitely.
00:30:39
I don't know why I thought that, but we.
00:30:41
Definitely wouldn't have talked about that.
00:30:43
Definitely, but no SO. OK 'cause I wanna say like.
00:30:49
Or maybe it was at the. End.
00:30:51
Or you might be thinking about the ones who live.
00:30:56
No, it was a Walking Dead show, but it was a it was a after
00:31:00
clip. OK, we're gonna have to go back
00:31:03
and look. Yeah, we're gonna, I'm gonna
00:31:04
have to, I'm, I'm a research, but I wanna say it was after
00:31:07
clip and one of them had the the three circles like on the wall
00:31:11
of the ship 'cause which it was one of them that had a after
00:31:16
episode. I mean after episode, after
00:31:18
after credit scene. And they was on the boat and it
00:31:22
was Madam Janay and she was talking to like the crew.
00:31:26
Yeah, I remember that. But which?
00:31:29
Which, which show was that on? Was that on?
00:31:30
That wasn't on the main. That was Daryl Dixon.
00:31:34
That was episode, I want to say episode 2 or episode 3.
00:31:40
OK, I'm gonna go back and look. So by the time we talk about it
00:31:42
again, I'll, I'll have a, have a.
00:31:46
OK, but yeah, I because I think if that had been ACRM ship, we'd
00:31:54
have also seen a lot more of it just being talked about in the
00:31:59
fandom now with with this recording in these episodes that
00:32:02
we've been releasing. We're we're several months,
00:32:04
we're we're really late because of all the other stuff we've
00:32:08
been covering and everything. So even yeah, other shows would
00:32:14
have covered it especially like I'm pretty sure if there was a
00:32:17
CRM thing, I'm I'm sure squawking dead would have picked
00:32:21
it up and I don't recall hearing them saying anything about it.
00:32:25
So hey y'all. Maybe I'm I might be mistaken
00:32:29
but I could have sworn OK. Girl, look, stop reading that
00:32:32
fan fiction. You know I gotta stay off the
00:32:38
Internet 'cause I I I'll be mad and see if I get spoiled around.
00:32:40
And we would have said something.
00:32:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. OK, fine.
00:32:49
You know, it's, it's, it's OK, But OK, so let's actually talk
00:32:55
about more about the episode 'cause we have been, we have
00:32:59
been very lengthy in our opinions about certain things.
00:33:03
But let's talk about the the cage match first of all, because
00:33:10
when we left off the last episode, you know, Daryl was
00:33:13
getting ready to fight one of the souped up walkers.
00:33:16
Hey, I don't want to say necessarily short work of that
00:33:21
Walker, but it didn't take him as long as you would think or it
00:33:25
wasn't as short as you would think given that this Walker was
00:33:29
enhanced like you would expect, you know, a regular person, they
00:33:34
would have been dead in like 2 seconds.
00:33:37
There was looking at this thing like, oh OK, you leveled up all
00:33:42
right, gotcha. And he was able to take that
00:33:45
thing out. And every time he did, Madam
00:33:48
Janae's face was just so funny to me, 'cause she was looking at
00:33:52
the scientist who created the the serum and she was like, is
00:33:56
this the best you got? He's going, no, no.
00:33:59
But then you bring out the best you got, and it still ain't
00:34:03
enough. First of all, when they brought
00:34:05
Quinn out and handcuffed them together and Quinn sitting here,
00:34:11
they're about to fight each other, I was like, Quinn, you
00:34:14
really think that this is about to go your way, 'cause he's very
00:34:16
confident, he's very mouthy. I was like Quinn, like the same
00:34:24
about you. Same about you.
00:34:28
And then when they brought those four out, I really, I, I'll be
00:34:32
honest, I'll, I'll give it to Quinn, even though Daryl helped
00:34:36
him at the last he his own. So obviously he has some skills.
00:34:42
I mean, you don't become the the the person in the position that
00:34:45
you are in in France 12 years after the apocalypse without
00:34:49
picking up a few skills. Yeah.
00:34:53
Yeah, but we see that he's been bitten or that the acid got him.
00:34:59
I I think it was a bite. I couldn't really tell, though.
00:35:02
He told Daryl was more like a bite to me.
00:35:04
OK, that's what I thought. But you know, So of course he
00:35:09
sacrifices himself to save Daryl so that Daryl can go and save
00:35:13
Izzy and Laurent. But.
00:35:16
When I say Darrell cut that hand off so quick he was like he
00:35:21
wasted, no. I don't say no hesitation.
00:35:23
None. But it's, it's like Madam Janae,
00:35:29
like y'all said, you're sitting there, you're giving this big
00:35:34
speech about reunite, you know, the reunification of France and
00:35:39
making it new and this that and the other.
00:35:41
And then you put on a death match with walkers.
00:35:46
I don't know what it is about dictators and human nature where
00:35:53
they feel like those type of events are the right type of
00:35:58
events to get people behind them.
00:36:00
I I understand as humans we do have a, a particular need for
00:36:07
some violence, but like even with the governor when he was
00:36:11
doing it, it's like, what do you expect to accomplish with?
00:36:16
This. And then for it to for the ties
00:36:18
to turn. I mean, before the world fell
00:36:21
apart, there were still movies. I'm sure gladiator.
00:36:25
I'm sure y'all saw a gladiator. Come on now.
00:36:27
Like this is what happened in the Roman times.
00:36:30
When you you get a gladiator that is particularly skilled
00:36:34
this that, you know, stands up against the status quo.
00:36:38
The crowd always turns. It's it's like it's a given and
00:36:47
then you just up and leave and expect what the regular people
00:36:55
to kill them. If you're souped up monsters
00:36:58
couldn't do it. What makes you think your
00:36:59
soldiers could? How many of you soldiers has he
00:37:02
killed already? Let's count 123 like.
00:37:09
Yeah, and then go to the even beginning 2, not just this
00:37:13
episode. Right, all the way back on the
00:37:16
boat. So he destroyed a boat like.
00:37:22
Right. He destroyed a boat, right,
00:37:24
Right. And the people on the boat and
00:37:27
the walkers, some of the walkers that were on the boat.
00:37:31
Leave the man alone, just just like if she can't get a better
00:37:37
wake up call, leave this man alone.
00:37:40
Yeah, because obviously this, this one man with no military
00:37:48
training has more training than your military training.
00:37:52
I mean, then your military officers, obviously this man
00:37:56
then been through some. Shit and and it's clear to me,
00:38:00
'cause like, so I get it. Like when they make these
00:38:05
armies, people have the luxury of guns, whereas our people
00:38:11
didn't have that luxury. So that everybody in coming from
00:38:15
the main universe will get down and dirty with some walkers up
00:38:19
close personal so they know how to survive.
00:38:23
So even whether you a human or a Walker, I have built up this
00:38:27
resistance where if you come close to me, I know how to take
00:38:30
you out. Whereas the people that they
00:38:33
recruit, 'cause I'm sure that's what they're all people who are
00:38:36
recruited trying to stay safe. You give me a gun, I can stay
00:38:40
safe. They don't know that hand to
00:38:43
hand combat. You know what I'm saying, 'cause
00:38:47
even like when Darrell was training for the people in the
00:38:50
in the even them, like you got to get up and close and personal
00:38:56
like yet you're not always going to have a weapon.
00:38:59
You're not always going to have that safety net of that.
00:39:02
Daryl been in the world how long?
00:39:03
1415 years killing up close and personal.
00:39:07
So do you think this man is going to let anything so simple
00:39:10
take him out here now? Yeah, I mean.
00:39:13
In order to kill Daryl Dixon, you will have to shoot him from.
00:39:15
Far off. Yeah, yeah.
00:39:18
I mean, look at what he was doing on the beach.
00:39:19
Once he reeled, the first of all, I started laughing when he
00:39:26
was calling out to the boat because I was like, here we go
00:39:29
again. Failing, failing zombie walk one
00:39:32
O 1. Why are you yelling?
00:39:34
Granted, I understand the beach was very clear from his point of
00:39:39
view and obviously he really didn't encounter any walkers on
00:39:44
the way it, you know, not that, not that they showed us except
00:39:47
for the one that was stuck in the tree.
00:39:49
So yeah, he probably got a little too relaxed, but the
00:39:54
minute they started coming out of the ground just And you have
00:39:56
to. Keep in mind because even when
00:39:57
he got there, there were no walkers so right.
00:40:00
What makes you think they hiding in the ground?
00:40:03
Right. And like there was, there was
00:40:05
one part, it looked like a cave where a couple of them were
00:40:08
coming out. I'm like, wait, he walked the
00:40:11
whole way here. 2 days walk. Now according to Losang, this is
00:40:16
a 2 days walk. You get all the way to the
00:40:19
beach, you go through the entire American soldier graveyard
00:40:25
that's there. Which, OK, I will say that was a
00:40:29
beautiful moment for to see. There will be.
00:40:32
And him looking for his. Yeah, once he once he realized,
00:40:36
oh, wait, this is a a graveyard for the American soldiers who
00:40:39
died here, he starts looking for his grandfather's grave and he
00:40:42
finds it and he has that moment that was so beautiful.
00:40:45
I loved it. But again, you've gone through
00:40:49
and looked through all of these graves you haven't tripped over,
00:40:52
not one Walker. The minute you open your mouth
00:40:55
and you see the boat, they all start popping up like you
00:40:58
playing a game of whack a mole. Like what?
00:41:01
The how, when and even with that, yes, OK, this is not that
00:41:08
cause Laurent followed him. Remember, Darrell was holed up
00:41:13
in the in the rain in the little house.
00:41:15
So Laurent was outside the rain. What?
00:41:18
What is travels at? OK, let's go.
00:41:23
He left it. He left the day after him and
00:41:25
ran the whole way to catch up with him.
00:41:27
You know what, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:41:29
I would not put it past Laurent. Yeah, because, you know, he need
00:41:32
a whooping, so. OK, so let's just go back to the
00:41:36
boat. It made me think of this movie
00:41:38
and no one probably ever saw it. It was limbo.
00:41:41
And at the end of the movie it was the same thing.
00:41:43
You're on the beach, you you need to get off the island.
00:41:47
You see a boat coming and you waving it down.
00:41:49
And it made me think you don't even know who's on the boat.
00:41:53
And that was the whole thing. It knew.
00:41:55
Because Lo Sang said. OK, we've reached out.
00:41:59
This boat will be here. In two days.
00:42:01
I don't, I don't, I still don't trust that.
00:42:03
So they made me think of limbo, like, you think, you know, like
00:42:06
they call for help too, but they didn't know if it was the
00:42:08
murderers on that boat or the help.
00:42:10
That's how I feel. And second, yes, Darrell was
00:42:14
having to leisurely stroll down to the beach to get there.
00:42:18
So that little boy was running behind him.
00:42:20
But I can't believe Darrell didn't even realize the boy was
00:42:22
behind him. But he had.
00:42:24
He could be this nasty cracker, OK, But you know, hey.
00:42:29
You, the master tracker, don't know he'd be in track, right?
00:42:33
Or that La Ron got through those walkers to get up there to tell,
00:42:37
to call Darryl's name, like. And then you're standing there
00:42:41
so calm, but all of these walkers are gathering like the
00:42:45
last shot we see of them. The walkers are gathering right
00:42:48
before La Ron. The rock can't fight them off.
00:42:53
And Darryl is way down there on the beach touting because his
00:42:58
out just got snatched from him. So I, I do question a couple of
00:43:06
decisions that they. Yeah.
00:43:08
Very much so. You.
00:43:09
You already know. We.
00:43:10
Yeah, you already know. 'Cause I said the same thing,
00:43:13
how you make it all this way. This man had to sleep in the
00:43:17
right in in the in the in the little barn overnight.
00:43:23
He. Probably was in another part of
00:43:24
the barn and just kept quiet. I mean, Hanukkah, no.
00:43:29
He didn't. No, no, he wouldn't have kept
00:43:31
quiet. Soon as he caught up to him, he.
00:43:33
Wouldn't say Daryl. Daryl, wake up, Daryl.
00:43:37
Apparently. Well, Daryl.
00:43:39
Would have been pissed at him. I mean, think about what
00:43:41
happened when when the boat happened, the way that Daryl
00:43:43
went off on him. Yeah, he probably was like,
00:43:46
yeah, I'm not getting cussed out again.
00:43:48
I'm just gonna stay back here and I'm gonna be quiet the way
00:43:52
Darrell has been telling me to for all this time.
00:43:55
I'm gonna actually listen now, because other than that, you're
00:44:00
right. It doesn't make sense.
00:44:01
The fact that one, Darrell doesn't realize that he's not
00:44:04
alone because Laurent can't be tracking him from that far back.
00:44:11
You know, 2, I mean, it would be easy to say, OK, maybe he just
00:44:18
followed, followed Daryl to the coast.
00:44:20
But again, Laurent has never been outside the Abbey until all
00:44:23
this stuff happened. So he wouldn't even know which
00:44:25
way to go. So I don't.
00:44:31
But OK, let's let's go back to this thought.
00:44:34
Laurent does seem to know some things that other people don't
00:44:38
tend to know. And again, we don't know what
00:44:43
message they're trying to send us in the show about Laurent's
00:44:46
character, whether or not he really is this kind of special
00:44:50
kid and has this little 6th sense about things.
00:44:53
Because think about it, when they were in the the death
00:44:56
match, when Daryl was fighting the Walker by himself and Isabel
00:45:01
started praying, Laurent was like, don't worry, Izzy Dad was
00:45:04
going to, he's going to be fine. And literally right after that,
00:45:08
he killed it. But when the other ones came in,
00:45:12
I don't think he knew for sure. And that's when he started
00:45:14
praying. So I don't know there.
00:45:16
There's something about him. He does sense some things, so
00:45:20
maybe there was something guiding him after Daryl I
00:45:27
Because other than that, nothing else makes sense.
00:45:29
Because if you have Laurent coming after Daryl, then
00:45:34
technically speaking, Isabel should not be far behind.
00:45:40
So that is absolutely true because at some point she got to
00:45:43
realize he's gone that part. Exactly.
00:45:47
That's what I'm saying. So it's like you.
00:45:49
You ain't window two days without knowing he ain't.
00:45:52
Right, right. And not following him and she
00:45:54
would have had access to a car. So I OK, I don't know.
00:46:02
So let me just be completely honest, I really didn't care for
00:46:07
this episode because it made me mad.
00:46:11
Yeah, all the reasons that we're talking about, and I was good up
00:46:17
until this episode. However, the whole season has
00:46:22
been good, so I can ignore it. It's not like Dead City.
00:46:29
I can't record. This I can ignore.
00:46:32
I just got one question these little issues because Laurent,
00:46:37
he he is a shelter kid now at this point.
00:46:40
Now he should not be running off, but I guess he feels like
00:46:43
all good and bad because, you know, he killed, you know, a
00:46:46
Walker. However, again, why is this
00:46:50
little boy running off? Why nobody watching him?
00:46:53
He does. He does.
00:46:56
He does. Why are you asking a man you
00:46:59
only know him for two months on Tinder to stay with you forever?
00:47:03
You know, don't say on Tinder because that that that turns it
00:47:09
icky. So yeah, don't.
00:47:10
OK, well, no, I'm not going to say that.
00:47:12
You can't say that though, because I have some friends who
00:47:14
actually, you know, got married and met and they had nice dates
00:47:18
on Tinder. So I'm Tinder.
00:47:20
Oh, you're talking about. See, I thought you was talking
00:47:22
about Laurent. That's why I was like, that's.
00:47:26
Oh, no, I'm talking about yeah, yeah.
00:47:29
You just met this man and you want him to commit to you and
00:47:32
your child. I'm going to say you and your
00:47:34
child, you know your nephew, but to commit to you and your child.
00:47:38
Just like Judith and RJ are Darrell's children.
00:47:41
And to ignore his family that you didn't even get bothered to
00:47:45
even understand because you know you have.
00:47:49
I don't know this purpose, this, whatever, however really.
00:47:55
Like Laura is the only person who's even asked him about
00:47:58
people back home. Yeah.
00:48:01
And. Prayed.
00:48:02
For them, yeah, so and then you got a villain that you saying
00:48:06
it's not a villain because they trying to help friends and
00:48:09
stuff. No, you not, because you
00:48:10
creating things that's going to get out of hand and kill all of
00:48:13
humanity at some point. Yeah, that part.
00:48:17
Yeah, that part. But I would leave Darrell alone,
00:48:20
though, because seriously, he is fucking up my plans.
00:48:22
So I just was like, that's just some, you know, some people just
00:48:25
let go. Just let them go.
00:48:27
Yeah, yeah. Help them get home, right?
00:48:31
Help them. Right.
00:48:33
But you know, Casey, and I was saying this in the last episode
00:48:35
because I was like, how is it that Codrone still has a job?
00:48:39
Because he keeps promising Madam Janay that he's gonna get there
00:48:44
or he's gonna get there and then he doesn't get him.
00:48:46
And then this episode, he literally got the drop on Daryl
00:48:51
after they had escaped and everything.
00:48:54
He had the drop on him. He had Isabel, he had Sylvie, he
00:48:59
had Laurent. You you had them all there.
00:49:03
You could have just killed Daryl and and just been done with it
00:49:07
if that's what you really wanted to do.
00:49:08
But I I don't know if it was watching him fight in the pit or
00:49:15
if it was something to do with Laurent.
00:49:17
The something changed Codrone's mind, you know, to the point
00:49:21
where he was like, I can't do this because when the other
00:49:24
soldiers were saying, OK, yeah, you need to go ahead and kill
00:49:27
him. Meaning Laurent, he couldn't
00:49:30
bring himself to do it and he even had the opportunity to kill
00:49:33
Darrell. Darrell was like, look, I'll go
00:49:35
with you. Just let them go free.
00:49:39
And that was my question. Cause by the time he got back to
00:49:43
Madam Janet and she questioned them, she's.
00:49:46
Like, oh, you got out without a scratch.
00:49:48
He took him so quick he folded like a chair.
00:49:51
Like, yeah, well, I, I couldn't kill him, so 'cause she was
00:49:55
like, you killed my men. And he folded like immediately.
00:50:00
But you know what? She may have had somebody who
00:50:03
who reported back and a person in his position and the type of
00:50:08
person he is, he does not seem to me like the type of person
00:50:12
who would try to lie to cover something up or who would try to
00:50:15
save his ass. He'd be like, oh, was she?
00:50:17
She knew it. OK, what the fuck is she going
00:50:19
to do? I mean, because at this point,
00:50:23
what I mean, he already knows what's coming.
00:50:27
Might as well just be up front and be like, yeah, I screwed you
00:50:29
over and. But he kind of know that's not
00:50:33
going to end welfare. And he does.
00:50:35
But either way it goes, even if he had lied to her, that was not
00:50:38
going to end well for him. And he not he's smart enough to
00:50:40
know that. Why even go back?
00:50:44
Because you were going, you were going to try to sell that lie,
00:50:48
But when she looked you in the eyes and said, I can tell a liar
00:50:51
by looking in their eyes, he already knew.
00:50:56
Yeah, that was the only thing that threw me.
00:50:57
Like, you ain't waste no time? She asked.
00:50:59
You, You ain't him. You ain't how you fuck.
00:51:01
Yeah, basically I did it. OK, right.
00:51:07
And they? Don't even let it get you no
00:51:09
water first you you when you need a drink you need not like
00:51:12
you just spilled the beans. I was like what?
00:51:17
I didn't like that part. Because I.
00:51:19
Didn't like that. Part she because he's been since
00:51:22
he's been with her, he's been loyal to her, right?
00:51:26
And I think he really got to the point where he was like, OK,
00:51:30
maybe if he goes back, you know, he figured out where the nest
00:51:33
was or he he told them he was like, oh, the monster Michelle.
00:51:38
So that's about a two days walk that way.
00:51:41
All right. And it was like, basically he
00:51:44
was telling them, I'm giving you a head start, but just know that
00:51:49
I know where you're going. And I have a feeling that maybe
00:51:53
once he came back, regrouped, got his self together, he
00:51:58
probably would have gone to the nest, did what he needed to do.
00:52:02
Maybe not kill Laurent. I think he would have killed
00:52:05
Darryl. But I think something about
00:52:08
giving him orders to kill a child, I think maybe was
00:52:12
probably too much for him. Because at first, Madam Janay
00:52:15
didn't want Laurent. Did she wanted Laurent to work
00:52:18
with? Her.
00:52:20
To turn everybody towards her cause.
00:52:23
So I think that probably messed with his conscience, especially
00:52:27
if you're thinking from the the perspective of this is a man who
00:52:32
had a younger brother who had someone that he protected.
00:52:36
He probably looked at Laurent and was like, I can't do this.
00:52:41
This is not this is not what I was meant to do.
00:52:44
His whole thing in in all of that was to get revenge on Daryl
00:52:48
for killing his brother. Right, so but and then part of
00:52:53
me was looking OK, so like when he was in the pit and he was
00:52:59
like now you die for killing my brother, whatever.
00:53:02
The way Daryl was looking, he looked at him back like, 'cause
00:53:06
you could tell, but there was kind of like.
00:53:08
There was like what the fuck you talking about?
00:53:10
And so I think that's what that's what makes me think that
00:53:14
he turned a little bit at that moment, 'cause he was like, this
00:53:18
is for my brother. And when Darrell looked at him,
00:53:19
he looked and he was like, OK, And then you know, something,
00:53:25
something in him was like, you don't even know what the fuck
00:53:27
I'm talking about. Yeah, I mean, could be, yeah.
00:53:32
But I, I think when he went back, he could have easily
00:53:37
played that if Madame Janay had fallen for, you know, the lie
00:53:41
that he had told they, you know, we were outnumbered.
00:53:44
We got ambushed, this, that and the other.
00:53:47
If she had actually believed him, he could have gone back
00:53:51
out, taken the nest, gotten the run, killed Daryl.
00:53:56
And then he would have been a hero to her.
00:53:59
He would have been important to her, but once she's already
00:54:05
looking at you without in suspicion.
00:54:07
Madam Janae, for for all of her faults, and she has many, she
00:54:12
does not suffer fools. We have seen that with her.
00:54:17
She knew that dude was lying as soon as he walked in and he knew
00:54:23
that she knew he was lying. And again, he doesn't seem like
00:54:28
the type of person that would just pussyfoot his way out of
00:54:34
it. He was just like, oh, she know,
00:54:36
OK, whatever. But you saw she asked him about
00:54:40
the nest. Yeah.
00:54:42
Yeah, but you saw what? She asked him about the nest.
00:54:44
He was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:54:47
She know he lied about that too, which is going to make things
00:54:50
worse for him. But then that makes me wonder.
00:54:54
Why? Why?
00:54:55
Why right? Why not all the things?
00:54:58
Motive, right? Yeah, I guess I don't understand
00:55:01
the motive cause at this point, right?
00:55:04
What's the point? Right.
00:55:06
Like why are you all of a sudden protecting them?
00:55:09
From one interaction on the side of a truck.
00:55:13
Right. And then even when you was on
00:55:15
the side of the truck, you notice he didn't even mention
00:55:18
nothing about his brother. Was he believed he believed
00:55:22
that. Look.
00:55:23
Well, what are you? Doing I believe part I, I
00:55:26
believe a lot of it may have to do with Laurent.
00:55:28
I think it's gotten to where he is starting to believe the hype
00:55:33
about Laurent. And then when he's getting ready
00:55:35
to shoot Laurent and Laurent was just like, God loves you.
00:55:39
That was a complete term for him, so you have to think he's
00:55:44
probably feeling a little guilty.
00:55:46
I mean, he did literally stab Isabel all the way through her
00:55:52
her shoulder, so he probably had a little guilt about that, too.
00:55:56
But yeah, it almost seems very sudden as far as his change of
00:56:04
heart. Yes, and maybe if we had a
00:56:08
reasoning, maybe that's what it is, 'cause you ain't give us no
00:56:11
reason they're gonna. Give it to us in Season 2,
00:56:12
probably. But I'm just saying, yeah,
00:56:15
that's makes it, that makes it feel real.
00:56:18
Like the fuck was that, right? This great reversal with no
00:56:23
explanation, right? And no lead up to me, no way.
00:56:27
Yeah, right. 'Cause that's why I was like
00:56:30
when he told her, yeah, that was like, well, what?
00:56:34
Like you didn't, you don't. Normally they drag shit out.
00:56:37
No, they didn't drag that one out.
00:56:38
Yeah, OK. Yeah, I I did it.
00:56:40
He doesn't seem like it. Again, he does not seem like
00:56:43
that type 'cause I mean, he literally when she said that to
00:56:48
him, he looked at her, he took her cigarette lighter out of her
00:56:53
hand, lit the cigarette light. And I mean, he basically it, it
00:57:00
was the same type of attitude Daryl had in the death pitch.
00:57:03
That was a fuck you moment to her.
00:57:07
I, I don't know what caused it, but I mean, I'm grateful because
00:57:13
right now that means Laurent and company are safe in the Mont
00:57:18
Saint Michelle. At least for now at least.
00:57:23
For now. So I don't know, but like you
00:57:28
said, it's it's not going to work out good for him at all.
00:57:32
He's not. I mean, I would not be surprised
00:57:34
if she makes him into one one of her little walkers, but she's
00:57:38
going to try to get that information from him first, so.
00:57:42
I don't see him giving it up. I don't either, because if
00:57:45
you've gone this far and you I see the right and you're
00:57:51
probably given the fact that you are trained by the military over
00:57:57
there, you probably can resist a little bit of torture.
00:58:03
So that's not going to be, Yeah, probably the next time we see
00:58:07
him, he's going to be either close to dead or he's going to
00:58:09
be one of those walkers. She's stealing.
00:58:13
No, he's not going to be a Walker yet, is it?
00:58:15
He may go into turn into a Walker, but I don't.
00:58:18
Think so, Yeah, 'cause we need an explanation, correct?
00:58:20
We just make him a Walker with no instant, with no clarity on
00:58:26
that whole situation. That would be stupid to say.
00:58:28
So I I I mean, I don't even know what to say about Codrome
00:58:34
because like I said, he was so singularly focused the entire
00:58:42
season about getting the American, getting the person who
00:58:46
killed his brother, and for him to have that kind of check.
00:58:50
Yeah, I I think Laurent may have something to do with it.
00:58:53
I think maybe once, once she started losing the crowd, OK,
00:59:02
not just because of the walkers fighting Daryl and Quinn and
00:59:07
Daryl and Quinn winning, but you also had remember, Falou, Sylvie
00:59:12
and Emil kind of snuck in there with everybody else.
00:59:17
And when Daryl and Quinn finish killing all of the walkers,
00:59:23
Madam Janae is basically like, OK, you know what, let's get
00:59:26
this over it. She's telling her men to shoot
00:59:29
Daryl and Quinn, but before they can get a shot off.
00:59:32
But Lou has his gun out. He shoots and puts that.
00:59:35
When I say he put that gun up so fast and continue walking out
00:59:39
with everybody else, I was like, you know what?
00:59:44
But Lou is that dude. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:46
He is that dude. But maybe that was enough for
00:59:50
Cadrone to be like, OK, maybe she don't have it quite as
00:59:55
locked down as we think she does or she wants us to think she
00:59:58
does. You just lost all your walkers.
01:00:02
It's obvious your your little serum that you're using for them
01:00:07
is not 100% yet because I mean, you literally shoot one of the
01:00:12
walkers and his head explodes because he can't handle the
01:00:15
serum. So maybe he's just sitting
01:00:18
there. What is it?
01:00:19
We always say he's reading the room.
01:00:22
He's like, I think I'm in the wrong room because.
01:00:29
Other than that. That very well could be that
01:00:33
that that very well could be. But they need to give us an
01:00:37
explanation. I for me, I need the reasoning.
01:00:42
Like I get it and I'm sure at some point if he ain't a Walker
01:00:47
by next season, we'll get it. But I hope they give it, they
01:00:50
give us that before they just move on with that storyline.
01:00:55
Like I I need to know what why did you have a change of heart?
01:00:58
Right. That's probably the only thing
01:01:00
from this episode that I'm unclear about.
01:01:02
Everything else was kind of yeah, I enjoyed it.
01:01:05
I I didn't dislike it as much as Michelle.
01:01:08
I enjoyed it. I just didn't like that one
01:01:12
open-ended thing. Well, I just.
01:01:14
Said I totally just like it had really no purpose really.
01:01:21
There was just things that they just did for us to get ready for
01:01:24
Season 2. I feel like I, I feel like in a
01:01:27
way it was kind of. And I don't have magic or
01:01:34
something. It wasn't.
01:01:36
I guess that's why I don't hate it.
01:01:38
It was just like, it was like it's.
01:01:41
Almost like, OK, we'll end it this way just in case we don't
01:01:45
get renewed. But if we do get renewed, we're
01:01:48
not giving everybody like just, Oh my God, they, they want us
01:01:53
to. Be surprised, but at at some
01:01:55
point we already knew it was going to be removed, so yeah.
01:01:57
They did before filming our last.
01:01:59
Episode He needed a reason to stay in France.
01:02:02
So I think what they did was because they knew, they kind of
01:02:06
made it like a mellow episode because we got so much to tell
01:02:10
you in Season 2. We don't throw in these little,
01:02:13
little small changes for you to get ready.
01:02:20
And then they knew they knew they was introducing Carol
01:02:23
season 2, which is what everybody's looking for.
01:02:26
So but even in that 'cause they wrapped up the Quinn storyline,
01:02:29
he gone. I mean, we still got to figure
01:02:31
out what happens to Marie. But you know, for the most part,
01:02:35
that storyline is done. Her and Laurent making it to the
01:02:41
nest. We know that that's a safe haven
01:02:43
for them. Darryl's just got to get Laurent
01:02:45
badass back there. My.
01:02:47
Goodness, so I can't go home. I mean, this kid is holding me
01:02:50
hostage again, I told. You.
01:02:54
That's how he was on the beach. His head was hanging.
01:02:58
So that's why I mean, so I'm going to go back.
01:03:01
I don't hate it, but I just felt it was anti climatic because I
01:03:06
think they were like, oh, we got so much we want to do in season
01:03:09
2, let's just end it on this note and and move on.
01:03:16
I mean, of course the fight scene was the greatest, yeah.
01:03:21
And then that was it for me, yeah.
01:03:23
Yeah. They probably should have had
01:03:25
that at the end, yeah, because. Because then we wouldn't have
01:03:29
Carol being her usual bad ass self.
01:03:31
So let's talk about that real quick, OK?
01:03:33
OK, Yeah. Carol ran somebody down on the
01:03:37
bike. Random dash.
01:03:39
Ran them down. Give me that bike.
01:03:42
No, first of all, where did you get that bike?
01:03:44
Yeah. Where's the person who you took
01:03:46
the bike from? But but you know what, Carol?
01:03:48
Forever the chameleon. Yeah, something in the trunk.
01:03:51
Come look, get your ass in there.
01:03:54
I was like. So the thing that I love about
01:03:59
Carol is one people always mistake the Gray hair to mean,
01:04:06
Like she's this old woman who can't do shit.
01:04:09
First of all, she's been Gray for a long time.
01:04:12
Some people go prematurely Gray, that takes nothing away from
01:04:16
this person, but just because y'all want to be ageist or
01:04:20
whatever and decide oh this a little Gray woman she can't do
01:04:25
shit. I'm a boss her.
01:04:26
Around I'm going to take her car, I'm going to take whatever
01:04:29
she got in the truck. I was like, you know what I
01:04:32
never get tired of seeing, Especially like the big.
01:04:37
Burly. Men underestimate this woman
01:04:40
because then when she whoops your ass, you sitting and
01:04:42
looking confused like how the hell did I end up tied up in the
01:04:45
trunk? Like how did she get me in the
01:04:48
trunk? She got your ass out.
01:04:51
And then she you. Better be telling the truth.
01:04:54
And if not? She was like, 'cause if not like
01:04:57
if they do something to me. Gonna be here you just.
01:05:01
Stuck. Oh I still feel like he gonna be
01:05:06
stuck even if he was telling the truth.
01:05:10
I mean, that's his fault. You never.
01:05:12
Gonna go off and forget. Oh man, that is his way.
01:05:16
I'm on. I'm in the middle of the ocean.
01:05:18
I forgot about that man in that truck.
01:05:19
Man, I didn't leave that man in that trunk, didn't I?
01:05:22
She might. She might send him.
01:05:29
It won't be an accident, Carol. At this point, she probably
01:05:31
don't care. She's just like, oh, OK, so you
01:05:34
got my friend's bike, so you had something to do with whatever
01:05:38
happened to him. So if you die, you just die.
01:05:43
I don't think she can. You are a means to an end.
01:05:46
I need to figure out where you got this bike, right?
01:05:47
Once you tell me where I got the bike, let me go to that place
01:05:50
next. Find who I need.
01:05:51
Who asks. I need to whoop right?
01:05:53
Get what I need, then let me leave that.
01:05:55
What's the next place I need to go?
01:05:56
Find who asks. I need to whoop.
01:05:58
She gonna whoop ass all the way to Europe.
01:06:00
I mean, she wouldn't be Carol if she didn't that part, so.
01:06:05
But I'm looking forward to the next season.
01:06:07
I think it's, it's going to be what this one needed that little
01:06:14
sprinkle it and look, look, the Salt Bay of Carroll need a
01:06:19
little bit of that. And I think it's I, I think the
01:06:22
next season is going to give us #1 the reunion.
01:06:26
We want it better and hopefully more concrete and final answers
01:06:31
to like just some of the for me that that whole storyline on why
01:06:36
you turned and #3 team Connie. I mean, let that man go back
01:06:45
home. Let that man go back home.
01:06:47
He got people who waiting for him.
01:06:48
Like he said. When Laurent asked about his
01:06:51
people, he meant who did he name specifically, Judith, RJ, Carol
01:06:57
and Connie. He didn't name nobody else.
01:06:59
He named those four people. And we already know Carol is on
01:07:02
her way to find him. I don't, you know, I don't know
01:07:06
if she's going to make it to France, but it's Carol.
01:07:08
It's possible. We just got to see.
01:07:11
But let that man go home to his folks and stop trying to push
01:07:16
this other romance. We don't want it.
01:07:17
Nobody asked for it. Nobody asked for it.
01:07:22
So, you know, other than that, I, I actually enjoyed this
01:07:29
season. I, I like that it was different.
01:07:34
I like that it took place in a different area and we had to
01:07:37
deal with all of these different new obstacles.
01:07:42
The, the burning the acid walkers and you know, the, the
01:07:49
walkers where they, they fused metal things onto the head so
01:07:53
that you couldn't just easily kill them.
01:07:55
Like y'all are really protecting these walkers.
01:07:58
What I I just need to know about the experiments.
01:08:01
What exactly are you guys trying to do?
01:08:03
It is not saving the world, no. It's it's not in that sense, no.
01:08:08
You might be trying to save France by creating weapons.
01:08:12
I think that's what she's doing. But obviously you're not looking
01:08:16
for a cure. You're looking for something to
01:08:18
make them more dangerous. But here's the question.
01:08:22
So what happens? Because we've seen how they
01:08:25
react when they get the the injections proposed to control
01:08:32
them. That's my question because at
01:08:38
least at least with World Beyond and the what was it Doctor image
01:08:46
Emerson episode of Tails. You saw them doing experiments
01:08:53
to try to see how much of the brain activity remained of the
01:08:58
human. You saw them trying to detect
01:09:01
migration patterns, so they were trying to use the zombie brains
01:09:05
to figure stuff out. What are you going to do with
01:09:08
this? Like what is your end game?
01:09:10
What is your you know, we I'm sorry we still never figured out
01:09:14
or they have never referenced again.
01:09:17
Remember the Walker that shot herself at the end and got up
01:09:19
and ran to her? We we still haven't heard a
01:09:22
reference to that. I I'm kind of wondering if we
01:09:26
will get that reference or something about that in this
01:09:30
show. Maybe not.
01:09:31
Of course, obviously we didn't get in the first season.
01:09:34
Maybe we'll get it in the second season and maybe that was what
01:09:38
started all of this for Madam Janay.
01:09:40
Who knows? But you can't throw that.
01:09:44
You can't throw that bone out there and expect us not to be
01:09:48
like, OK, y'all going, y'all going to tell us something?
01:09:50
Because again, that woman clearly knew she was a zombie at
01:09:54
that point. She clearly knew she was a
01:09:56
Walker and she panicked. So something of the brain has to
01:10:02
exist. Maybe it's just for people who
01:10:05
are more educated, that sort of thing, I don't know.
01:10:10
But. Yeah, they, there's some
01:10:13
questions that they are going to have to answer with this show
01:10:18
and I'm hoping they'll do it in the second season.
01:10:21
We don't know what the second season is going to be about
01:10:23
aside from Carol going to find out.
01:10:28
They've already announced the third season.
01:10:30
They've already started filming the third season.
01:10:32
I think they're probably halfway through the third season.
01:10:37
And I have seen a mention that I believe there will be a fourth
01:10:42
season and that may be the final season, but don't quote me on
01:10:45
that. So it's just kind of like, OK,
01:10:50
if y'all are doing this, that means that there was not going
01:10:52
home anytime soon or he's taking Izzy and Laurent with him.
01:10:57
And that's going to be a whole different thing.
01:10:58
Because if you're not, if you're not in France doing this whole
01:11:04
thing with Laurent where he's the savior, he's the Messiah,
01:11:07
whatever. That's however that storyline
01:11:10
finishes. If y'all are going to Four
01:11:13
Seasons, either that proved not true or y'all you you taking
01:11:19
them back to America. So I don't know but.
01:11:28
It'll be and he's and the point that they take them back to
01:11:30
America would have to make it where it coincides and aligns
01:11:35
with the ones that live, or at least after that has ended.
01:11:42
Yeah. But that that means it would
01:11:44
definitely add on. It would definitely add on a few
01:11:49
years. Because if we're going by the
01:11:54
information Quinn provided in this show about the 12 years,
01:11:59
that means, like I said in last episode, that means Laurent has
01:12:03
to be, he had to have been 11 when we met him, or maybe just
01:12:09
turning 12, because it could have been the later part of 12
01:12:12
years that Quinn was talking about.
01:12:14
We we don't know, But so an estimation, Laurent was 11 or 12
01:12:18
when we met him. This is probably been maybe a
01:12:23
few months over, you know, the course of season 1 has probably
01:12:27
been over a few months. So he could still be in that 12
01:12:31
year old range or could be thirteen.
01:12:36
Did did we have a birthday celebration for him in this
01:12:41
show? I.
01:12:42
Yeah, like somebody mentioned in a birthday, I couldn't remember.
01:12:47
I thought I I thought I saw that, but I might have just been
01:12:50
thinking about something else. But I don't.
01:12:52
Think so? OK, so, OK, so it says, I'm
01:12:56
sorry, I Googled it. OK, it says how long after The
01:12:59
Walking Dead is Darrell Dixon? He said.
01:13:01
Now, we're only two, two or three months after the end of
01:13:04
The Walking Dead, so this is still within the timeline of the
01:13:08
show, the original. Show ending but that makes no
01:13:11
sense if Quinn says 12 years that he had to wait 12 years to
01:13:17
give Izzy that necklace that doesn't vibe because The Walking
01:13:21
Dead show. Cause see it says how much time
01:13:26
is passing The Walking Dead? Approximately 13 1/2 years.
01:13:30
Yeah. That, that sounds right.
01:13:34
That's the total time. So then it's been 13 1/2 years,
01:13:38
but Darrell Dixon started two to three months after the events in
01:13:44
the Commonwealth. So then that means Quinn's math
01:13:46
was wrong. Yes.
01:13:50
OK, that that would make a little more sense because
01:13:55
Laurent being an 11 or a 12 year old, that just doesn't vibe as
01:13:59
far as not just what he knows. I mean, that kind of it would
01:14:05
explain what Michelle says about him being emotionally stunted at
01:14:09
around 9-10 years old. But he's big for that age, which
01:14:15
means I don't think he could be younger than that because even
01:14:18
if he's been isolated and protected and hasn't, you know,
01:14:24
we don't know, he may not have been exposed to a lot of sun,
01:14:26
not gotten a lot of sunlight. When you stay cooped up and in a
01:14:30
house all the time without fresh air and stuff, you're it, it's
01:14:34
not your growth. So yeah, that probably makes a
01:14:38
little more sense that he would be a little bit older.
01:14:43
But then that definitely means that it's it's not Rick and
01:14:47
Michonne that Carol was talking about on the walkie-talkie.
01:14:50
That's that's a definite van. Yeah, got to.
01:14:54
I'm a sticky morning. They just gonna have to reunite
01:14:58
in in season 2 and she's just gonna have to tell him who who
01:15:02
it is so that we can all be satisfied.
01:15:07
And then she can be like, OK, I came over here to get you.
01:15:09
Bring your ass home. Let's go.
01:15:12
Let's go. You got folks.
01:15:15
I know a guy who know a guy who know a guy who got a boat.
01:15:17
You know so. Yeah, let's get in this boat.
01:15:24
So I guess we just need to start on Season 2 now.
01:15:30
Yes, I'm excited. Y'all have any final?
01:15:35
Thoughts. We better get some answers in
01:15:39
the first episode. They better do.
01:15:41
They better do first episode Booker Carol the way they did
01:15:47
first episode, the ones who live and she better find them right
01:15:50
when she get there, like she better open the door and be
01:15:52
like, oh, I'm in France. I don't think it's going to be,
01:15:54
I think. I don't think it's going to be
01:15:57
season, I think. Because I think.
01:16:00
Season, I think mid season, like they're going to get close, but
01:16:04
the issues are going to have them separated, but they're
01:16:07
going to be parallel a little bit and it will be mid season.
01:16:10
Like when they run right into each other.
01:16:13
I feel like it's mid season. You think it'd be accidental on
01:16:16
purpose Accidental. Probably accidental, no, I mean
01:16:21
just knowing them it'll probably.
01:16:22
Be Yeah, like it's accidental, but I.
01:16:25
Think I think that would make more sense because for the Rick
01:16:28
and Michonne show, that show literally was we need that
01:16:33
reunion. We need to see the payoff for
01:16:37
Michonne leaving her children and we need to know exactly how
01:16:41
how that story ends. So them giving us the reunion in
01:16:45
the first episode and then kind of going back and forth between
01:16:49
present time and past, that worked perfectly for this show.
01:16:53
I think this show might be a little bit different.
01:16:55
Yes, we've had some flashbacks as far as what Darryl is
01:16:59
thinking, but I think one of the things that's interesting about
01:17:04
Carol and Darryl's relationship is they've spent as much time
01:17:09
apart as they have together. Whether it's because of
01:17:16
circumstance, it's because of arguments and disagreements, you
01:17:21
know, them kind of not speaking to each other.
01:17:24
I think it makes more sense for us to not see them together
01:17:29
immediately. Give me some Carol.
01:17:32
Everybody wants to see Carol. They want to see what Carol's
01:17:35
going to do to get to Darrell. That's going to be half the fun.
01:17:39
I don't need to see them reunite in the first episode.
01:17:42
Get give it a couple of episodes to kind of simmer and let's see
01:17:46
what Carol is about to get into 'cause you know she's about to
01:17:48
get into. Some right and I think the the
01:17:50
shit she gets into is going to again be parallel.
01:17:53
That kind of bumps them into each other.
01:17:57
And so, so that's what I feel overall, I again did enjoy this
01:18:06
so much better again than Dead City.
01:18:10
It was caretaking in the writing and the pacing.
01:18:17
Pacing could have been a little bit more faster just to take
01:18:21
just just just a little bit. But again, like I said before,
01:18:26
Darryl's on vacation, you know how it goes a little slow and
01:18:28
leisure when you're on vacation, the urgency is not there.
01:18:34
OK, so there's a lot of questions.
01:18:37
They put a lot of questions out that definitely need to be
01:18:40
answered in season 2. You gave us a lot you because
01:18:46
it's a world building your world building because we're
01:18:48
international now. But however, I need you to now
01:18:52
like start answering these questions of things that we saw
01:18:55
and and things that were put into place, right.
01:18:59
So we're all good. So if season 2 is Book of Carol
01:19:04
is what season 3 is, we are family, I mean.
01:19:10
The Book of Laurie. Nope.
01:19:15
No, I'm, I'm. No, he doesn't get a book.
01:19:17
It's a book of reunion. It's called.
01:19:19
It's going to be called Book at Home.
01:19:20
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