#thewalkingdead #TWD #daryldixon The group's stop in Algiers fails to provide the help needed, but they find some much needed allies in Paris. Cadron meets Madame Genet and offers his services to hunt down The American. Isabelle returns home to collect items to barter with, but is confronted with a sad reminder of her past. Daryl's search for a boat leads to an old acquaintance of Isabelle's, which leads to complications.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and Casey after a very, very extended hiatus.
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We are so sorry, but life has been lifing.
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Yes, absolutely. Some of us have been traveling,
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some of us have been sick. We all went to the camp, which
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is The Walking Dead convention that is here at the end of May.
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We went to that, had a fabulous time, and now we're like, OK, we
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need to finish up these Daryl Dixon episodes, especially since
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we have a Season 2 premiere date now.
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September 29th is when it's coming back.
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Great because that means that this is probably the quickest
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spin off to come back because they just premiered last year
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last September, remember, right, right after time.
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So this is right around a year. Great.
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We're getting season 2, the book of Carol.
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They've been showing some of the trailers, which have been great,
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and we probably will do a separate show to break down the
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trailers and talk about that a little bit.
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But we're going to get into episode 3 of Daryl Dixon.
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And let me say the beginning of this episode, I was looking at
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the screen trying to figure out what the fuck I was watching.
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Like this dude in the theater with the Walker band.
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I was like when I watched this episode, I said, Oh my God, I
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hear Casey and I hear Michelle. No, excuse me, let me stop.
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I hear Michelle in my head right now like.
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What the fuck is? Wrong with this?
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Well, you know, you have to have some type of entertainment, you
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know. I mean, and if he's been living
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there this whole time, I think we've already established this.
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This timeline right now is probably somewhere between the
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15 and 20 year mark. If he's been there in that
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theater by himself the whole time, you're gonna lose a couple
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of your marbles. Yeah.
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But he not by himself. Remember Brian's in the kitchen.
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You really? Think somebody in the kitchen,
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girl. No, he thinks, somebody in the
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kitchen. Brian up on that stage.
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Well, I see. I'm going to defend him.
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So he was being very creative, innovative because he was
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lonely. So it's, you know, I would like
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to hear some music. I ran out of my records.
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So why don't I use my resources wisely, OK?
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So. So we've seen this before.
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We saw it in the main show with Princess and her her little
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diorama of the walkers on the streets.
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But you know what the? She wasn't creative enough to
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make a band. OK, but but here that's true
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too. Here's the big.
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She was limited. No, I won't even say she was
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limited. Princess was smart.
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She was like, I'm not about to make a lot of noise.
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I'm not about to draw a whole bunch of folks, a whole bunch of
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walkers, a whole bunch of people who might have some nefarious.
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Yeah, no, she, hers was quiet. It was still entertaining, but
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it was quiet. I need to know how this dude has
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survived for so long with these walkers tied up to these
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instruments and that street is not swarming with.
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Walkers. Because it's a theater and you
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know, theater and the sound they make it where you can't, they're
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not gonna hear how the. Street heard the sound.
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I'm just gonna. Say, 'cause at the end when
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they're coming out it, it was some sound.
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I'm just helping them out like. No.
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There is no and you know and you know the lack of walkers in the
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area. Period.
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But they sure came this time. After Darrell shot that.
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But you know, the the the bang from the shotgun is probably
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more specific. The loud from the music, it's
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probably in the air. Yeah, it's flowing in the air it
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honestly. Is wait the pinpoint always
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coming from this building? So yeah, I didn't ask y'all to
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make sense right now, no. It's making noise in the
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atmosphere, but that. When it's flowing, they don't
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really know where that that sound is coming from.
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OK, I I will accept that because it did sound like he had
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speakers set up so I it probably did deflect the sound but still
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it was like one he doesn't seem like he has.
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I'm trying to think of a nice way to do it.
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The elevator is not going to the top.
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It's not, I'm just trying to help him out.
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It's not if that's just a a side effect from being alone for so
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long, or if this was the way he was.
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I'm assuming it probably wasn't the way he started out because
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if he actually had a working radio, if he actually was able
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to communicate with people, you know, I don't know what happened
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to the radio. Maybe maybe something died,
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maybe it broke. He couldn't fix it.
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And that's why he started you because like you said, he
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probably had to entertain himself.
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You don't have a, a, a connection to the outside world
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anymore. And if you've been in that
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theater the whole time, you're probably scared to leave.
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But my question is how did you get the walkers and actually
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like get them set up to where you were able to secure them to
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these instruments so that they don't break loose they and like.
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And bite you. I don't know.
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It's a dangerous, that is. Because like, we know Michelle
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will cut the mouth off like nobody else thinks of that.
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Like, you know, 'cause, 'cause even even with the way you got
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them tied up and, you know, somebody always and and, and
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they end up breaking free, you know, if you did the cause do
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the Michonne and just cut the jaws off they get.
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But nobody ever thinks of that. But no that.
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If you won't use. The Walker for protection or
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entertainment or any of these other millions of reasons that
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you do what you do, why wouldn't you protect yourself so that it
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won't kill you? He wasn't thinking this plan all
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the way through. Clearly, Very clearly.
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How long, like how often do you have to change these walkers
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out? Because I'm going to assume that
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you can't keep a Walker like that for 15 years without some
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type of deterioration, without some type of breaking down of
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the skin, the muscles, the tissues, the bones.
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You have to be replacing these things.
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Like who is doing that? I don't.
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I. Think Michelle, he's doing that
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is just like, it's just like when you have to work on your
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instrument, like the strings have to be replaced, those type
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of things. And that's what he does.
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So when he won't? Bite you back.
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Right. However, I don't know how he is
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doing it, but we also have to think he is musically inclined.
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He could be a genius and being by yourself not being able to
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actually have deep conversation with other adults on your level
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has drove him mad. I wish the people who are just
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listening to audio only could see the faces we are making
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while we're trying to justify with this guy.
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Justify. Why he crazy as a jaybird?
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I mean. Because you got to think
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somewhere out there there's a person who likes chess and they
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have a Walker on the other side of the table with their hands
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holding chess pieces and they move it with strings to feel
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like they're playing chess with someone.
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You're right, 'cause I mean if you lonely enough and you like
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fuck, let me talk to let me talk to dead Fred or something,
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'cause you, I mean at some point you.
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Right. So you gotta think no, right?
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You got somebody who like play cards, they got some.
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You got like three people at the table with them with cards and
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they hang in. But cut their mouth off, That's
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true. But he doesn't know.
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He doesn't know. He won't know until he get
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beaten. And then he needs to do that.
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Yeah. And and be too late.
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It's. Too late and the music.
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Stops so oh. But the music don't.
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Stop as as much as I'm sitting here free.
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When I'm go from get free and get his ad they.
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Are see, that's, that's my concern because I'm like, again,
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you can only use those same walkers for so long.
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I mean, they did look somewhat deteriorated.
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So maybe this was a more recent thing for him.
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Like I said, I don't think he has been in this mindset the
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whole time. It just, it doesn't make sense.
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He just started off with somebody with tambourines.
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Or the drums. Remember he had the little thing
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they hands. Wrapped right.
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So then he after one, he was like, OK, I got this.
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Let's go capture a Walker. The funny one.
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Is the harpist one. It's just the head hanging out.
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I was like, so done. I was so done.
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But The funny thing is, as much as I'm sitting here voicing my
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concerns and voicing my disbelief that this man has
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created this little system, I was still a little bit annoyed
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with Darrell because Darrell was like, are you fucking kidding
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me? Like this is a waste of time.
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Yeah, he said. This was a stupid detour.
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This was a. No, this may have been a lot.
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He's been alone for how many years?
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You have had family around you, you've had people that you care
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about, you've had other children.
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Right, people he care about that he trying to get back to and you
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can't say you got a damn radio and you didn't use the parts for
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you got damn Walker Symphony over there.
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Well, he didn't actually say it. That was what Isabel has said,
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because this was someone they had communicated with before.
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So what? Was that if he done destroyed
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the damn radio already? Yeah, but she did it.
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She. Wouldn't have known it, she
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wouldn't have known it. And I'm I'm going to take a
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break real quick to apologize in advance if y'all hear a lot of
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stuff in the background. We have a brand new kitten in
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the house and right now him and Leia are currently at a
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standoff. So there's a lot of hissing
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going on in my room. So if it picks up, that's what
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it is. Nobody's dying.
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It's just, you know, not a lot of hissing.
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Yeah. You should hear it over here.
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I'm like somebody sounding like a Walker right now.
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Just with all the growling and all this other.
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They said it's only room for one of us up in here.
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Tiger Lily has not even come upstairs.
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She has not come upstairs since I brought Apollo home.
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She comes upstairs using the litter box.
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Who is this new person who goes with downstairs?
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Yep, like why did she do this to me and.
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You know, and, you know, she had the conversation with herself.
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Like, I only have one person to contend with.
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And and she was, you know, the hierarchy of the house.
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I only have one person I had to deal with.
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Yeah. This new person.
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Yeah. So also those of us who are
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those of you who are watching, if you happen to see our newest
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podcast host pop up in the, you know, in in the camera, that's
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Apollo. So anyway, going back to this
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theater, so at the end of last episode, you know, after the
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Abbey was attacked and everything, Daryl and Isabel,
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we're trying to figure out where they were going to go.
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Daryl was like, we need to go to Paris, and Isabel was the one
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who actually said, no, let's go to Angier because there's a guy
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with the radio there. He may be able to help you
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communicate with someone back home so we can get you home.
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OK, so obviously this doesn't work, but I think in a sense, I
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would say the detour probably helped them and at the same time
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didn't help them because we see that Codron has looked at the
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map. This is the big gorilla dude who
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thinks Daryl killed his brother. He looked at the map that was at
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the Abbey and he sees that their destination is Paris.
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So he's like, OK, I'm going to go to Paris and find him.
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The thing is, OK, y'all aren't in Paris right now, so maybe
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y'all can miss each other. I don't think that's going to
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happen, but maybe you invite each other at least, you know,
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we we see at the end of it it doesn't.
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But at the same time, I feel like if they had had it, we'll
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get to that. Part see.
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I'll get him quick and feel though, but we'll get there.
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But but I think because he went straight to Paris, he didn't
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take the detour. See Darren them took the detour.
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I think if. They would have.
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Stopped. If they had.
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Gone straight to Paris. They'd have gotten there quicker
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and Daryl could have been gone at that point.
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Because you know what? We find that once they do get to
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Paris and they find, they find the people that Isabel had been
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communicating with, or that's part of this big movement of
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theirs that kind of focuses on Laurent being this little savior
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figure. Their method of communication is
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homing pigeons. Girl, Daryl was so hot.
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Like what is this shit right here?
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And I mean, OK, again Darrell, you got to understand you are in
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a whole different country. Things are just a little bit
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different. If you didn't notice this in the
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1st 2 episodes, you definitely know that in this one, you guys
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exploding walkers who are getting up from falling out of
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two and three and four story apartments.
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They are falling on the ground going splat and getting up and
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kind of cracking their neck, you know, and keep going.
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What, You've already seen the burn and walk.
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Isabella standing there like she ain't never said if she.
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Don't. OK.
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So I think she was traumatized because she saw the little girl
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that she had told to go home. You know that in that first
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episode? Yeah, hurtfully.
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And she told the little girl, Amy, to go home.
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So to come into the courtyard and to see her zombified corpse
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stuck in brambles, I was like, first of all, how did she get
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there? And I'm thinking before she made
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it to her house, she probably got attacked.
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Remember when Isabelle Quinn and her sister were leaving, there
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was a car crash right outside the building.
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And at that point people were turning like almost instantly.
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So it's possible that somebody from that accident or maybe just
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somebody else who had been attacked came across the little
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girl, attacked her and she just, she ended up not going anywhere.
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And then the the kind of the tree branches and the Ivy and
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everything just kind of grew up around her.
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And now she's stuck. And it's just, I think she was
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traumatized by that because, I mean, anybody else probably at
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that time probably would have thought, hey, I don't know
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what's going on. I don't know where your parents
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are getting the car. I'm not leaving you here to die.
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I mean, cause at that point, the world is kind of falling apart.
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Nobody would exactly accuse you of kidnapping a child.
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You know, you say the child. And chances are, I mean, if she
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ended up in that courtyard, chances are her parents didn't
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make it either. Her parents could have been two
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of the people that fell out of those fell.
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Out the. Window yeah, but I was like you
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you have the burning walkers because they were used one of
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those burning walkers to kind of burn away the branches when they
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couldn't get out the door. I was like, OK, he's.
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I like that. No.
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His feet, yes. Inventive.
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Innovative, right? But but you have all of this
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stuff going on. You're seeing things in France
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that you have never encountered in your area, you know, in the
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States, whatever. So maybe do things a little bit
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differently. Maybe a home and pigeon is the
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only Safeway. Well, first of all, I mean,
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honestly, that's what we used in the past.
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So. And that's what he said, that's
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what Master Raymond said. And I, I'm gonna call him Master
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Raymond, 'cause I can't think of.
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Right, so I'm kinda be like, come on, Daryl, we gotta get on
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the same page. See, we need to be like this at
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home. We don't have other ways, OK?
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You can't text a friend, right? And I'm sorry, these monkey
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talkies, these walkie talkies, you really should be dead.
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But you know. I mean, we've had this
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conversation and and they're not reliable.
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I mean, you know. So the pigeon, you know.
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States listening to Carol on the radio, trying to tell you
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somebody came home and of course the name kind of cut out so you
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can't hear so the so the radios aren't even.
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Like so a a a pigeon. Come on now, a pigeon is not
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going to fly from France to America.
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No, we no, we're not going to have bats.
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No, you got. Stops just like a train station.
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No, there ain't no stops from that pigeon, isn't there?
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I'm just. Saying over the ocean, he ain't
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got nowhere to land if he. Gets no no, he can't take no
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break. No, sit on the.
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Water he However, it's something we can use locally and it's a
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great idea. We going back to our, you know,
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it's going back to our roots, the communication.
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Is going to be I don't know, but I mean, maybe it doesn't have to
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go all the way to the states. Maybe it just needs to go to
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another station where another wherever, wherever the pigeons
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are going. And maybe they those people have
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a radio and can call to the states, you know, so that's what
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I'm thinking. I'm not I'm not saying that
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they're relying completely on the homing pigeons.
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This particular group is having to because of course, as we see,
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they don't have a radio. You know, but it's the best
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form, it's the best form of communication because honestly,
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the radio, if you're trying to be sneaky and using the radio,
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somebody else made listening on the radio, but the bird, they
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don't know which bird is your bird.
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And unless you absolutely know that that is an actual messaging
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system. Right I.
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Think to look at a pigeon and be like, oh I need to shoot that
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down right 'cause they containing a top secret message
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like who's? Thinking that, well, they
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should, because again, that's a form of communication that's
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reliable. However, you just don't know
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which bird to shoot. But again, who if you hungry it
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don't? Matter which bird you get or
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what message he really well, 'cause I'm sorry at at this
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point. I mean, they have a system where
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they have gardens and ways to produce food and for the people
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that's out there, they can't. I see a bird, I'm like every
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Tuesday around 3:00 I see this bird come by.
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I'm gonna get his ass and he gonna be lunch.
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And then you when you when you chewing.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You chewing, you be like, what's
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this, a piece of paper? Why would hold up the mess of
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the? Paper before you actually cook
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the birds like. No, no, no they not.
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Some people be so hungry they putting it on there with the
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feathers and all on the spigots. Just boom boom Krispies get a
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skiing. Because if a zombie apocalypse
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like that happens, I'm I'm going to starve.
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You're not going to find me. You're not going to find me
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eating pigeons with feathers, and you're not going to find me
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eating raw turtles off the ground.
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It's just not about to happen. It's not going.
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Oh my gosh, that's nasty. It's just I'm.
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I mean, I'm just saying we've seen it.
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It's not going to happen. Eating it was just trying to
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survive somehow. I know.
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Still not gonna happen. I think I have enough meat on my
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bones to last me for a minute. I will just.
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Yeah. No, we won't do it.
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You have to be like the the little kid on the golden shower.
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He's. Ate a leaf a day no OK goodness.
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So let's talk about this group. So it's interesting because as
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they're walking to Paris, they start having conversations and
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you see again, Laurent opening up a little bit more to Daryl,
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but I also think you see Isabel opening up as well.
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I will say this. I know she been open but.
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Well, I mean as far as like. With Laurent, I know I'm just
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no. 'Cause we're, we're about to go
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there, 'cause you, you were pulling, you, you were pulling
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the direction I was coming. I feel kind of feel like they
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are trying to give us this little like semi romantic vibe
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between Isabel and Darrell. And I am not here for it.
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Like I can understand there might be a little bit of
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tension. I mean, Isabel has been a nun
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for the last however many years and we clearly see in this
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episode she was not about that life before this apocalypse
00:22:38
happened. You know, we saw it from the
00:22:40
fall of Paris. She was a party girl.
00:22:42
She was a drug addict. Apparently.
00:22:46
You know, she also has some issues.
00:22:48
We see where Quinn talks about how he found her in the bathtub
00:22:54
after she tried to kill herself. He was the one who took her to
00:22:57
the hospital nurse to the house. So we know that they she ain't,
00:23:00
she's not the stereotypical image of what we think a nun is,
00:23:04
right? And she even said that Darryl,
00:23:06
when they go back and find her old stash of drugs and stolen
00:23:10
things, she she. Changed her ways.
00:23:12
Yeah, I wasn't always a nun. He was like, I see that.
00:23:16
It's but I don't look at them as romantic.
00:23:20
I don't see Darryl as having a romantic feeling for her.
00:23:25
I think it's more protective. And, and I get that, but I feel
00:23:29
like, I feel like there's an undercurrent that they're trying
00:23:33
to I, I don't know, like it. It almost feels like they're
00:23:36
suggesting it. And I'm just like, I don't wanna
00:23:41
see it. I didn't get that.
00:23:43
It's kind of, it's kind of hard to 'cause when you know, when
00:23:47
you're in Paris, you know, it's just so hard.
00:23:50
What? I don't even.
00:23:53
Know if it is, it's just so hard.
00:23:55
It's just, you know, it's not like we, you know, in the forest
00:23:58
in Atlanta. It's just this is a different
00:24:01
vibe going on and then they and they may not be that's what I'm
00:24:05
saying. It may not be says to it's just
00:24:06
that you just it's just that vibe in the air for everybody.
00:24:09
You know, you know, everyone may breakdown.
00:24:11
I mean, I think, you know, that's why that man went crazy
00:24:16
and made his, you know, Walker, you know, it's that vibe, you
00:24:23
know, you just, and he's like American in Paris.
00:24:27
It's something new, something. Because not only is she saying
00:24:35
the stuff, for those of you who are just listening, she sit
00:24:38
here, she got the, she got the little look going to the camera,
00:24:42
she got the the little head shaking.
00:24:43
She's shimmying her shoulders a little bit.
00:24:46
So she's saying that that's not the vibe, but she's also saying
00:24:50
that's a little bit of the vibe. I'm not, right?
00:24:52
It is. And if she starts speaking
00:24:54
French to be like, oh, yes, I mean, this is different.
00:24:58
This is different. That's why he not like he
00:25:02
normally is at home. It's like a vacation, you know,
00:25:05
you everybody know this. You go on that vacation,
00:25:07
especially if you kind of sing and you just be vibing, vibing.
00:25:11
That's what he's doing. I can't.
00:25:13
And it's gonna end 'cause she's not gonna leave and he's gonna
00:25:16
go home. So, you know, and she just so so
00:25:19
they can't make him have no real relationship.
00:25:22
I don't feel like it's a blatant thing, I just feel like it's
00:25:26
kind of like it's. There they just trying to throw,
00:25:28
they're trying to make, they're trying to throw it out there.
00:25:31
It's like Connie, they threw it out there, but they just didn't
00:25:35
like. It's like fishing, no?
00:25:37
Connie that that was a that was a thing like.
00:25:41
It is it was a thing for us with you they together.
00:25:45
So what I'm trying to say is it seem like all these women when
00:25:49
they get around there or the sun around there, especially when he
00:25:51
clean. And that was the other thing I
00:25:54
was going to say because I feel like even though there is that
00:25:57
little undercurrent there of whatever it could be, I also
00:26:02
feel like they're they kind of using it to show maybe not
00:26:09
necessarily Daryl's sex appeal or his attractiveness, but just
00:26:13
the fact that for all of these women that he has been around
00:26:18
where there's Carol, Leah, Connie, whatever, he's a safe
00:26:23
space when I and I do feel that, but the the vibe to me still
00:26:31
comes off a little bit weird. You.
00:26:33
You. Point with that vibe when she
00:26:35
was bathing him, which could be a point but you went with that
00:26:38
too when she was giving him a bath it.
00:26:40
Was not because I was like. I don't even sound like giving
00:26:42
him a bath, but you know, that's what she did though.
00:26:46
Like that would don't didn't even open up to the people he's
00:26:50
lived with for years that that freely so but that for bad.
00:26:56
That for bad. Yeah.
00:27:01
I mean, he gave him when him and Beth was together.
00:27:04
Yeah, they opened up to each other a lot, but.
00:27:07
Yeah. But I think also because there
00:27:10
was a, there was a bit of a kinsmanship between him and Beth
00:27:15
because I because both of them were damaged in different ways.
00:27:19
And I think that's why they gravitated towards each other.
00:27:22
And I think had we had Beth lived, I think you would have
00:27:27
seen the type of relationship that he had with like, say,
00:27:31
Rosita where it was. And I know that there were some
00:27:35
people who shipped those too. I just don't understand Darrell
00:27:38
because. Darrell and Rosita.
00:27:41
No. Darrell and Beth.
00:27:43
OH, there were people who shipped Daryl and Beth, but I
00:27:47
think with that vibe, I think it would have been more like Big
00:27:52
Brother. I can see here sorry, so how?
00:27:56
Can you see Daryl and Beth? But you can't see what they're
00:27:59
doing here with Daryl and Isabel.
00:28:01
I didn't say I couldn't, I'm just saying Isabel had been and
00:28:05
you don't need a man. That's not what I'm saying.
00:28:07
So don't get this from this, but Isabel last man was an asshole
00:28:13
and she with no man sense and the man who is a good kind man,
00:28:18
you can see it in his eyes comes along.
00:28:22
You can't help it though. You can't help to fill the pool.
00:28:26
And Darrell already pulls. He's that type of personality he
00:28:30
pulls now. If it was the dare what we first
00:28:34
met, Nah, this relationship wouldn't have been.
00:28:37
Happening but this Daryl here the ears on the the the.
00:28:40
Yeah, that that would she would have been like.
00:28:44
But this Daryl here where you, even though you can protect your
00:28:48
own self, you feel safe. He gives off the vibe that he
00:28:52
does not judge, that he actually is listening, even though he's
00:28:56
quiet most of the time. Yeah, you're gonna have a vibe
00:28:59
with him and yeah, you're gonna wanna have to screw him too.
00:29:02
However, this ain't a long term. Relationship No 'cause Darren
00:29:06
needs to go home. There's too much 'cause.
00:29:08
He gonna go. I feel like he gonna go home.
00:29:11
So what's gonna happen? Either she dies or she stays,
00:29:16
but she not coming to America. Yeah, I don't see that,
00:29:20
especially not with Laurent being the figure that they have
00:29:27
made him out to be. Like they have literally, I
00:29:31
don't want to say promote it, but they have kind of raised
00:29:33
this little boy up as to be like the next Messiah or humanity's
00:29:38
next hope, which like Darren said, that's a lot to put on a
00:29:41
child. But with that also being her
00:29:45
nephew. And and this is going back to my
00:29:47
original point. This is what I mean by her being
00:29:50
more open because when you first meet her with Laurent, it's like
00:29:55
she's caring, but you can tell she's holding him at a distance.
00:29:59
And then we find out that that with her sister's child and also
00:30:04
what the implications of his birth could mean, he kind of
00:30:09
she's looking at him like he has a greater purpose.
00:30:12
And if I allow myself to get too attached to him, I may not be
00:30:16
able to let him go to fulfill that purpose is kind of similar
00:30:19
to what we see in The Last of Us with Joel and Ellie.
00:30:24
You know, that was also another relationship where Joel was
00:30:28
taking Ellie to the doctors. He had planned on having no
00:30:33
attachment to her. And then when it gets to the
00:30:35
end, she's like his child. And he can't, he can't get rid
00:30:39
of his own feelings or he can't tamper down his own feelings in
00:30:43
order to help the greater good. You know what I'm saying?
00:30:48
And you kind of get there. I, I, I kind of feel like you
00:30:51
see that a little bit more with Isabel in this episode,
00:30:55
especially because she's talking to Laurent so much now about his
00:30:59
mother. And I don't think she did that
00:31:01
as much before. So it's kind of like you're
00:31:04
giving him these little tidbits and these little pieces.
00:31:07
But I still feel like at this point she has not told him that
00:31:13
she is his aunt. And I think that's kind of why
00:31:16
Daryl is so upset with her cuz he's like, you need to stop
00:31:19
lying to this boy. You need to just tell him the
00:31:21
truth. You know, you can say, Oh yes, I
00:31:23
knew your mother and and give these little tidbits, but
00:31:28
there's something more there. And that little boy needs to
00:31:30
know. And like Darrell say, he needs
00:31:32
to know where he comes from. Right.
00:31:34
And it is we going to go back to this back and forth.
00:31:37
There's really, honestly, come on friends, there is no reason
00:31:40
why you shouldn't have been told him who he was.
00:31:44
I mean. I agree, I thought he knew he
00:31:46
was the aunt. I don't think he knows that
00:31:48
she's his aunt yet because you've never heard, you've never
00:31:51
heard either one of them refer to each other aunt or nephew.
00:31:56
Even in So when he's talking to the singer and she looks at
00:32:01
Isabel and Quinn, who she, you know, bumps into during the
00:32:06
course of this this episode, she looks at him and says, are those
00:32:10
your parents? He says no.
00:32:12
Now, he could have easily said, oh, no, that's my aunt.
00:32:15
That's my guardian. That's the person who raised me
00:32:18
something. He just says no.
00:32:19
But again, this child will run. I feel like he actually does see
00:32:25
things and know things before they happen.
00:32:28
I don't know if he understood at this point that Quinn was his
00:32:31
father. I don't think he he put those
00:32:34
two together yet. But for the singer to look at
00:32:38
Isabel and Quinn, and I don't know if it was just the way that
00:32:42
he was behaving, his body language, something about the
00:32:46
way that he was with Isabel, she was immediately suspicious.
00:32:50
All. Of these people around in a oh
00:32:54
OK hold on. We're gonna take a we're gonna
00:32:55
take a break from that. I'm, I'm gonna stop that train
00:32:58
of thought. If the world comes to an end, I
00:33:03
am going to Paris. Because over here they have a
00:33:08
Walker, gladiator fights, and in Paris they have a whole fucking
00:33:14
nightclub, complete with a drag queen, complete with
00:33:17
entertainment, complete with dancers.
00:33:20
I'm going to Paris. I'm going.
00:33:23
To go clearly in the wrong place.
00:33:25
Clearly I am going to I am going to struggle my way through the
00:33:32
catacomb entrance because that would freak me out already.
00:33:38
If you haven't seen it, go look at a movie.
00:33:40
It's called as above was as above, so below.
00:33:44
It's about it's. Yeah, it's a horror movie that
00:33:48
takes place in the catacombs. Nope, I just the sad part is as
00:33:52
it's on the screen right now. I thought about it too and I'm
00:33:54
like, I haven't watched it and I don't want to.
00:33:57
But I. I want to sleep.
00:33:59
I would brave going through the catacombs if I could just spend
00:34:04
my zombie apocalypse in a nightclub where they have he has
00:34:07
alcohol. He has art.
00:34:09
He like commandeered art from the museums.
00:34:12
He has real alcohol, not the bootleg shit, not the I'm gonna
00:34:17
go make this in a factory in a in a beer fact.
00:34:20
No, he has real alcohol. He has I'm that's where I'm
00:34:25
going. That is where I'm going.
00:34:27
But anyway, going back to my point.
00:34:32
But yeah, I I don't know if Laurent picked up on the vine,
00:34:36
but he obviously knew something was there.
00:34:41
And like Daryl said, this boy deserves to know where he's
00:34:46
from. When you when we find out that
00:34:48
Quinn is the father of Laurent. OK, when I say my mind was
00:34:58
blown, but at the same time. He looked sneaky and dirty and
00:35:03
nasty and he looked like he would.
00:35:05
Be and her sister we already established.
00:35:08
The person. So no, I don't even think her,
00:35:11
her sister was in that. Like her sister.
00:35:14
We had this conversation in the first episode about the sister
00:35:18
seeming very, I don't want to say immature, but she seen it
00:35:24
seemed like Isabel was taking care of her, like she wasn't
00:35:28
fully mature. And I don't know if that was
00:35:32
just personality. I don't know if that was just
00:35:34
because she was sick and was, you know, just kind of being
00:35:38
needy at the moment. But I could easily see a
00:35:41
situation where Quinn could have manipulated that, you know what
00:35:46
I'm saying? And.
00:35:48
Yeah. I thought about it the first
00:35:51
time I watched the episode because Quinn, when he finally
00:35:54
drops that bombshell to Isabel, when she says, oh, this is
00:35:59
Lily's boy, Laurent. And he was like, OK, all things
00:36:03
aside, you shouldn't have kept that for me.
00:36:05
And she was like, what did my sister know that I had a son out
00:36:09
there? And she's like, what?
00:36:11
She's clearly like, what are you talking about?
00:36:14
He was like it was a mistake blah blah blah but you shouldn't
00:36:18
have kept it from me. I was like how the fuck was she
00:36:20
supposed to know if she's just not figuring out that you are
00:36:22
the father because. It was a.
00:36:24
Mistake. Why would she even think that?
00:36:27
Oh, this is your son? But then when I watched it again
00:36:30
today, right before we started recording, I said, oh, you know
00:36:35
what? I'm going back to that scene
00:36:38
where they were trying to get out the city and Lily got sick.
00:36:42
They had to pull over in the car.
00:36:43
She threw up. And you know, that was when Izzy
00:36:46
found out she was pregnant. And she was like, why didn't you
00:36:48
tell me? I'm sorry.
00:36:50
I thought you'd be mad if Quinn overheard that.
00:36:54
And then not ten seconds after that, Izzy stole the car.
00:36:59
He probably thought that Lily told her at that moment and that
00:37:02
was why Izzy left him, because she was like, are you trying to
00:37:06
leave my sister? But you, the one who put her in
00:37:08
this, I was like, that make that makes more sense.
00:37:11
Well, and then also, I'm sorry, but you told me to ditch my
00:37:17
sister. I'm going to choose my sister
00:37:19
then. So he can't even even think that
00:37:21
either. He could just think, oh, she
00:37:23
actually chose a sister, which will make perfect sense.
00:37:26
I've been taking care of her, so why would I ditch her?
00:37:29
Dude, come on now, you ain't that great.
00:37:34
I mean, thank you for saving me because I would have been dead
00:37:37
to where where I was. However, you're not that great
00:37:40
that I'm going to ditch my sister for you at the end of the
00:37:44
world, right? We're not married.
00:37:46
We had no kids together. And you tell it and you're not
00:37:50
even attempting to try to take her.
00:37:52
You're saying Bitcher, however, he got some good survival skills
00:37:59
'cause he survived and he owns a club.
00:38:01
So. Like he's a big man.
00:38:04
This is my question. What?
00:38:06
Cause 'cause the singer is apparently his girlfriend,
00:38:10
'cause she questioned him after he comes to the bar, Wouldn't
00:38:14
you know if that was your man, kid?
00:38:16
Like, wouldn't there be an inkling?
00:38:20
I'm just saying to myself, 'cause you asked if those are
00:38:22
your parents, ain't that your man?
00:38:25
And wouldn't he have mentioned, oh, maybe I got a?
00:38:27
Kid I no, you know. Well, he wouldn't have.
00:38:29
Maybe she would. Maybe she was asking about Daryl
00:38:31
because Daryl was over there too.
00:38:33
So maybe she was asking Daryl and and.
00:38:35
OK. OK.
00:38:36
Got you. Got you.
00:38:37
OK. Yeah, Yeah.
00:38:37
And then at this time of the world, you have kids, they're
00:38:40
probably dead. So why do I need to mention I
00:38:43
may have a kid out there in the world?
00:38:45
Right, Yeah. But I would say, OK, now that
00:38:47
you saying that it was. Yeah, because I thought about, I
00:38:49
I just thought about that when you asked that question.
00:38:51
I was like, oh, wait, Daryl was there.
00:38:53
So maybe she was talking about Daryl and not Quinn.
00:38:58
So, yeah, you know, sometimes we we we come to realizations when
00:39:02
we have someone to talk things out with.
00:39:03
Because I was confused about that, too.
00:39:06
But that would make sense. And then even even if that
00:39:09
wasn't, those weren't his biological parents.
00:39:11
I mean, we've seen in the zombie apocalypse, people have children
00:39:15
all the time that are not biologically theirs because of
00:39:19
the circumstances, so that those could very well have been his
00:39:23
parents. But the the way that he dropped
00:39:28
that news to Izzy and was like, you couldn't tell me I had a son
00:39:34
and she was just looking like. He was.
00:39:37
She was really confused. And then she was hurt because
00:39:41
not only are you telling her at this point that you betrayed
00:39:47
her, you are also letting her know that her sister betrayed
00:39:50
her. Now whether it was on purpose or
00:39:52
not, we will never know because Lily is dead.
00:39:54
We don't know the circumstances. Again, this could have been Lily
00:39:59
could have been a willing participant.
00:40:01
She could have been coerced. She could have been manipulated.
00:40:05
Quinn could have just made googly eyes at her and she
00:40:08
thought, oh, OK, you know, we don't know how serious him and
00:40:12
Izzy were at the time. So there could be a whole bunch
00:40:16
of things that contributed to that.
00:40:18
But the fact is you have now like completely demolished.
00:40:26
My my last memory or my last thoughts of my sister like you
00:40:30
have put this image in my head now that my sister however it
00:40:35
happened, betrayed me. I would hate him so much right
00:40:39
now. Because the other thing is, what
00:40:46
the fuck you gonna do with a child in your current situation,
00:40:49
in your current circumstances? 1 You have not been around this
00:40:52
child. So it's not like he's going to
00:40:56
be like, oh, you're my dad, I'm going to come stay with you.
00:41:02
And she ain't having that anyway, even if he thought that
00:41:05
he was that. Cause Laurent has a greater
00:41:08
purpose and it ain't being in the nightclub with his.
00:41:11
Daddy yet to take over. With the spark.
00:41:15
This all be yours. Yes, you going to inherit the
00:41:18
nightclub. No.
00:41:20
Laurent. Has here babies.
00:41:23
His great, but going back to Laurent, so again, they're
00:41:31
really pushing this whole thing about Laurent being the savior,
00:41:37
being humanity's great hope. And I just find it like, there
00:41:43
are certain things that you can kind of explain away in a way
00:41:49
that makes sense. Like the whole thing with the
00:41:51
lady who lost her husband that, you know, they said that she
00:41:56
lost her husband a few days ago. She couldn't be consoled.
00:41:59
She wouldn't eat like nothing. She wasn't allowing people to
00:42:01
comfort her. And then Laurent just kind of
00:42:04
notices her, goes upstairs to her, and immediately he's able
00:42:09
to comfort her. And you can see her kind of come
00:42:11
out of that shell that can easily be explained as empathy,
00:42:16
compassion, just him having a way to connect to people.
00:42:23
The other thing, when Izzy and Daryl are having that argument
00:42:29
and Lorac comes up to them and he's like, you both, you did
00:42:34
this. I hate you both.
00:42:35
And we're like, at first I'm like, did he overhear this
00:42:39
conversation? No, it was because Codron and
00:42:44
his people were coming in to attack.
00:42:47
So I was like, did he sit? That was, I thought.
00:42:51
I thought it was 'cause he heard them.
00:42:54
He heard him say that old boy was his dad.
00:42:58
I don't think that's that's what it was.
00:43:00
I think it was because, because literally after he said that,
00:43:05
Codron and his soldiers burst in the door with guns blazing.
00:43:11
Wait, wait. But if you see, that's the
00:43:15
thing. Because like with Laurent's
00:43:17
character, it could be either one of those things.
00:43:20
I think the perception that they're trying to give us
00:43:23
because he's supposed to be the savior and all this other stuff
00:43:26
is that he has a way of knowing these types of things.
00:43:31
But then when you, like you said the conversation, he could have
00:43:34
overheard this, that conversation.
00:43:36
I personally don't think they were being loud enough for him
00:43:39
to hear it. But it's just kind of one of
00:43:42
those things where it's like, OK, which one is it?
00:43:44
Did he hear the conversation or did he know that Codrama was
00:43:49
showing up? Or maybe I was going to say he
00:43:52
could have seen it, but he was in the bed.
00:43:54
And honestly, I don't think Daryl and Isabel would have had
00:43:59
that conversation so close to Laurent's bed, especially if
00:44:04
Daryl was trying to sneak off before Laurent even knew he was
00:44:07
gone. I just so that's what also what
00:44:11
made me think that it he did hear the conversation because
00:44:15
it's like you trying to sneak off while I'm not paying
00:44:19
attention, so to speak. So because basically pitching
00:44:23
me, you know, I'm mad and I'm gonna run out the window, right?
00:44:28
He needed a woman at that point. But yeah, I heard.
00:44:32
I heard your voice when he, when he, when he disappeared.
00:44:37
I said this boy is worse than Carl.
00:44:39
You know what I you know I said it.
00:44:40
I said now he need his damn ass whooped.
00:44:42
Why did you climb out a damn window if I care about you being
00:44:46
mad? Maybe mad in that bed.
00:44:48
Right. You need to stay where people
00:44:50
can protect you because obviously you need protecting.
00:44:53
This is not the first time. Because father, Father John
00:44:59
Paul, eat your ass up. But this is the same dude who
00:45:03
came and shot up the Abbey, so obviously he might.
00:45:08
Even though we know he's following Daryl, Laurent don't
00:45:12
necessarily know that. But no, he, he, he know that
00:45:17
when they was at the Abbey, old boy was trying to take him talk
00:45:19
about are we going to make him a soldier?
00:45:21
Right, that's what I'm saying. He, as far as he knows, Kadron
00:45:25
could be coming after him. So I'm gonna need you to stay
00:45:29
with the people who can try to protect you.
00:45:32
I mean, granted, at this point, after we see what happens, like
00:45:35
he takes off, Daryl takes off, him and Codron have this big
00:45:41
fight, which, OK, Daryl, I need you to stop leaving people alive
00:45:47
'cause you, if you were back home, you would have killed him
00:45:51
without thinking twice. Yeah, no.
00:45:53
Hesitation, Yeah. This man literally came across
00:45:57
the country to find you, and you know he was looking for you
00:46:01
because when they burst through the door, what did they say?
00:46:04
Where is the American? You know he's looking for you.
00:46:10
So why would you sit there and just choke this man out?
00:46:13
I know you got a little more strength than that, Daryl.
00:46:17
You. Need to get this motherfucker.
00:46:18
No, he had on the bulky coat and old Boy had that coat on with
00:46:22
the collar, with with the little fur collar.
00:46:25
And so trying to strangle him, he was like, and then the people
00:46:28
started shooting at him. So he was like, I don't want to
00:46:31
get shot, right. If he had killed him, First off,
00:46:34
they wouldn't have even gotten that far.
00:46:36
Or if you can't kill him by strangling him.
00:46:39
OK. You got on thick, bulky clothes.
00:46:41
He got on thick, bulky clothes. OK, I got it.
00:46:44
Where's your fucking knife? Daryl?
00:46:46
Stab this dude in the head. You've done it plenty of times.
00:46:49
I've seen it. Why are you?
00:46:52
Continuing to leave this to just out of reach, it was like, do
00:47:03
you? See the look on my face?
00:47:06
We've been talking about Daryl and his non lethal decision
00:47:10
since this show started. Hell, he said baby in the head
00:47:14
with two lines like and then and then look, how do you this, this
00:47:21
is this is a real question. How do you drop the knife to
00:47:23
have the nunchuck holder thing in it?
00:47:25
How did you hold the knife? You cause in order for somebody
00:47:29
knocked that out your hand, your hand gotta be like this.
00:47:32
And we know Daryl Hannah ain't never splayed out like that.
00:47:35
Daryl is. Always.
00:47:36
Like this he always fisting. Wait, that's not nasty.
00:47:40
She always has this fist ball. Yeah, OK, alright.
00:47:46
He always has his fist balled up, so if you have a knife with
00:47:50
the fist, the thingies the finger holes.
00:47:54
Right. Brass knuckles How?
00:47:56
How? But how is that on your hands?
00:48:00
In that case you need your ass whooped because who taught you
00:48:02
how to fight? I told you since he came to
00:48:06
France he act like he forgot killing walkers one on.
00:48:09
Again, and I'll tell you, when you're on vacation, common sense
00:48:13
goes out the window. Vacation conversation, it's like
00:48:16
when you are out of your element, common sense goes out
00:48:21
the window. I was.
00:48:22
Going to say, 'cause this ain't no.
00:48:23
Vacation 'cause we said that at the very first show when you
00:48:27
walked into an empty ass room without tapping on the door to
00:48:31
see if fucking walkers was in there.
00:48:32
So now you got to ask Burnt like you've been in this apocalypse
00:48:37
for 20 years. At this, yes, but you also have
00:48:40
to realize that who has really dare fought in a while?
00:48:46
It's not the point of fighting. It is though.
00:48:49
How? Wait, yes it is.
00:48:51
You lose that edge. What was the last person he
00:48:54
really truly fight fought that was strong and had combat
00:48:59
training? I don't know yet.
00:49:05
Oh, I really got to think about it, 'cause I'm trying to think
00:49:08
like in the Commonwealth, like, yeah, he fought Lance and he
00:49:12
fought a couple of people, but he fought people.
00:49:14
On the boat. Oh, did we get there yet?
00:49:18
Yeah, we talked about how you got to print.
00:49:20
Yeah. So the people on the boat.
00:49:23
He had to because Madam Janae said in that last episode, she
00:49:26
what did she say? It took us 3, three years to get
00:49:29
this ship, you know, in tip top shape, seaworthy and it's all
00:49:37
like done because of one American.
00:49:39
So you know, he had to fight to get off.
00:49:41
He did, but again I said combat ready.
00:49:44
I didn't say all those soldiers was combat ready.
00:49:46
Well, we don't. OK, we, well, we, we haven't
00:49:49
got. Like a tough fight, Like a
00:49:51
tough, like the governor, Like a tough fight.
00:49:55
Beta, Right. That's what I'm talking about
00:49:59
that right there where he could have picked him up and threw him
00:50:01
over a bridge, but he fought him.
00:50:05
So he, so he's a little, he's a little, he's a little, you know,
00:50:09
that's OK 'cause normally he's an arrowing.
00:50:12
It's only that's not a word, but you know what I'm saying.
00:50:15
We got to say it's been. OK, he need to find a damn bow
00:50:18
and arrow, See. That's that's his over.
00:50:21
The stick. That's that's his.
00:50:24
That that's his thing. But I'm saying so.
00:50:28
But I'm sorry, you can like, OK, we don't know the timeline from
00:50:34
the Commonwealth, the end of the main show to this show,
00:50:38
obviously, probably a couple of years maybe.
00:50:41
Maybe you are not going to tell me that those couple of years
00:50:46
when he's been out on the road, when he's been trying to find
00:50:50
Rick and Michelle, that he hasn't come across other people
00:50:54
that he hasn't had to fight. But also, you can't tell me that
00:50:57
those couple of years, even if he is a little rusty, is going
00:51:01
to erase the 1015 years of fighting and fighting and knock
00:51:05
down drag down fighting that he had to do.
00:51:09
OK, so I'm gonna help you with that.
00:51:11
I'm gonna help you with that. Even even I will bring that
00:51:16
point up. Even over the years, you will
00:51:19
get rusty. And even though he fought
00:51:21
people, there wasn't of quality. They were CD level.
00:51:26
OK. My video game people, you
00:51:28
understand, they just they they not even close to the boss.
00:51:32
OK, Darrell has had to fight bosses.
00:51:35
And when he. Fought bosses.
00:51:36
There was a threat to his lives, his friends lives.
00:51:40
So it was an extra adrenaline rush to that fighting the boss.
00:51:44
OK, so now it's been some time. He find people who who eaten
00:51:49
rats and turtles and pigeon birds.
00:51:53
I mean, they, they not work. They, they, they can't.
00:51:55
I mean, he got them and he had his bow and arrow, you know what
00:52:01
I'm saying? And he has had assistance.
00:52:03
OK, So now he come into another country, he's a little thrown
00:52:07
off. I won't say vacation.
00:52:09
You know, common sense, some of the skills that you have
00:52:13
learned. He's not a Navy SEAL, friends,
00:52:14
He's not a Navy SEAL. He's he hasn't learned to do
00:52:18
this in all atmospheres and environments.
00:52:21
So he gets over here, he's fighting someone who is the
00:52:26
leader, who has fought others to show that he is the boss.
00:52:32
They'll been on vacation. Too many margaritas.
00:52:37
You look sluggish. You.
00:52:39
Know what? OK, so you're not fighting the
00:52:42
same way you would have fought beta, because beta that was that
00:52:46
really was like life or death. He like, oh, I can take him.
00:52:49
We just was like rolling on the rules.
00:52:51
I mean this you don't. Think this fight with this
00:52:55
officer is life or death? For him, I don't think he feels
00:52:58
the threat like he felt the threat with like maybe if I'm
00:53:01
thinking. This.
00:53:02
Man probably could kill. Me.
00:53:04
No, when he was fighting Beta, he could actually kill me.
00:53:10
This dude right here, he's like, I probably got him.
00:53:12
I got him. He's not really that much of A
00:53:14
threat. But guess what?
00:53:16
You are a little sluggish. Here's the thing when that.
00:53:21
You'll be ready next time. Dude, when that same dude was
00:53:27
shooting up nuns in the Abbey and you had access to a gun, you
00:53:33
should have killed his ass then. Correct, but common sense.
00:53:38
But I keep. But you helping my, you are
00:53:40
helping my reasons, you are helping my 'cause that he is off
00:53:44
his game because of the travel. I need him, OK?
00:53:49
He was going to shoot. Him.
00:53:51
But remember the little old lady nun came and knocked the gun
00:53:54
away. He was about to shoot him.
00:53:58
OK, but after the well, I was going to say after the little
00:54:01
old lady nun died. You should have.
00:54:04
Killed him. At that point he had him in his
00:54:09
side. He was like and then the little
00:54:12
lady was like. OK, all this to say, Darrell
00:54:15
Dixon, I need you to get back on your shit.
00:54:18
Right, that's basically it. He has to.
00:54:20
But now he is prepared for the next fight like I.
00:54:23
Don't know, 'cause he just fell through that roof.
00:54:25
I don't know what he prepared. For, I said he'll be prepared.
00:54:29
For the next fight, like oh this is a person who is equal.
00:54:34
Of skills or higher, he punched the boy in the little club for
00:54:38
trying to Juke him. Remember he?
00:54:41
Yeah, but that ain't no. That's not no, that's not
00:54:46
comparable. That would not fighting the boss
00:54:50
boss level fights. No, no, cause ultimately this is
00:54:58
that would be his, his boss level because the, the head
00:55:05
lady, I mean, she's gonna fight like Madam Janay.
00:55:08
No, she's not gonna fight like that.
00:55:10
So that's that. That's the, that's the boss
00:55:12
right there. But I would say this.
00:55:14
It like AA wasn't, I mean Alpha would kill you, you know you you
00:55:18
may want to be scared of her even.
00:55:20
Though she looked like Madam Janay looked like she would
00:55:24
Whoops, Mass She. Was.
00:55:25
But Darrell can clearly take her.
00:55:27
He would be able to take her 'cause she hadn't.
00:55:30
Thought. She hadn't fought in.
00:55:31
Years but we we don't know this but she's we don't she's we but
00:55:36
we don't know because we haven't we don't know that much about
00:55:39
her, but we. Don't, but I'm saying she has it
00:55:42
currently when you are the president leader, whatever she
00:55:46
is going to. No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:55:48
She has her. Men to Do you think she been
00:55:51
fighting? Who's she been fighting?
00:55:52
She she had to fight. This is a female who is in
00:55:57
charge of a very male dominated. I got you on that.
00:56:02
But she already proved her point, and she got her.
00:56:05
Loyal men, she proved her. Point I said, but it's been some
00:56:08
years, but it's been some years. I'm going to tell you because
00:56:12
once you no, but once you do it, if you do it correctly, you
00:56:17
don't have to keep doing it. If you point it, that means you
00:56:20
did not set yourself up to success.
00:56:22
So now you're saying that she has not set herself up to
00:56:24
success. No, no, no.
00:56:26
I believe that she had 'cause I think they scared of her.
00:56:29
See, all they have to do is if she could just get them to be
00:56:32
scared of her and she did the stuff she needed to do.
00:56:35
She don't have to. Fight, OK, but on that same
00:56:38
token, 'cause I don't want to mess with her, 'cause she don't
00:56:41
turn me into an experiment. Well, that too.
00:56:44
But here's the thing, you get people to follow you.
00:56:47
You get people to be loyal. But after a few years, that
00:56:51
starts dying down. Think about.
00:56:52
Not if you do not listen. Let me finish my thoughts.
00:56:56
You don't have to fight. Think about the way Negan was
00:56:59
with the Saviors, because he was right there, top of the chain.
00:57:02
And then you start getting some dissenters.
00:57:04
You got to every once in awhile go back in and prove that you
00:57:08
haven't lost your edge. So I.
00:57:11
Agree with that. I'm not going to sit here and be
00:57:13
like, Oh no, she hasn't fought in a few years.
00:57:15
I I totally I totally agree with you, but her intelligence and
00:57:20
how she running things she don't need to fight.
00:57:22
That's why I want you to get the shit she's doing is way worse
00:57:26
than fighting you be like I don't I'd rather fight her than
00:57:30
to deal with the stuff that she's going to put upon me.
00:57:34
That girl is peeling toenails off of people while they still
00:57:38
live, living with a Walker, eating their brains and pouring
00:57:42
acid on them all at the same time.
00:57:44
That's what she do with and you see that?
00:57:47
You'd be like. When did she do?
00:57:50
That. Might not want.
00:57:52
To wrestle her. Yeah.
00:57:53
You see what I'm saying? You get, you get scared, then
00:57:55
that the then the men tell these stories.
00:57:58
Those stories become worse than they really were.
00:58:02
And then you'll be like, I'm going to follow her.
00:58:04
And then all she got to do is to come out there with a gun and
00:58:06
shoot somebody in the head. That bastard was late to work.
00:58:09
And you'd be like, oh shit. You're not loyal because you
00:58:15
didn't show up to work on time. Right, you eat the chocolate
00:58:18
cupcake. I told you, don't eat those
00:58:20
cupcakes. She cut my tongue out and fed it
00:58:26
to a Walker in front of me and fed it to a Walker in front of
00:58:29
me. I don't know, but I will say
00:58:32
this if if Daryl ends up coming face to face with that woman,
00:58:39
because obviously, you know, this one lone American is he's
00:58:44
he's like really fucking some shit up over there.
00:58:47
He needs to be scared because she going to be the one to tie
00:58:51
him up and get Laurent. Get she she will find the the
00:58:56
rabbit that was his friend when he was in fifth grade.
00:59:00
This is why this is again, This is why he needs to go ahead and
00:59:04
kill Kadron, because that's the person going back to report to
00:59:08
her. You tell her I'm going to find
00:59:11
him, I'm going to bring him to you and I won't stop.
00:59:13
I won't. Quit and she literally she would
00:59:16
be the type to have him tied up and watch the people that he has
00:59:20
currently met, everyone he has encountered tortured,
00:59:25
experimenting on why they still alive.
00:59:28
I don't. I rather you just kill me.
00:59:30
But no, that's not how she moves.
00:59:32
You can tell. But you know my real quick this
00:59:35
the real question how they find him so quickly.
00:59:41
Like not even. Because of the map.
00:59:46
Cell phones, Yeah. No, no, no, no, 'cause he goes
00:59:51
to the nightclub and he was like, we know he was just here,
00:59:54
but you just here. Oh.
00:59:56
People, people are talking just what, what, what was it that
01:00:00
Falou said? Information is a commodity.
01:00:03
They probably pay some people. They, the people that sitting
01:00:06
out their garden, he was probably like, oh, OK, so I need
01:00:09
to know if there's an American here somebody, He says so.
01:00:15
Just showing up that that's yeah, if it take a pigeon two
01:00:19
months to get a message. How?
01:00:26
Well, one, Cordrone has vehicles, he has cars and jeeps.
01:00:30
So he's not flying, he's not travelling by horse drawn cart.
01:00:36
But two, we also have to remember that before they
01:00:40
stopped at Algier, they stopped at that orphanage.
01:00:45
So it's possible that Cordrone, especially if he was looking at
01:00:51
the map and the map literally had the red flag pinpointed at
01:00:55
Paris. If you're familiar with Paris at
01:00:57
all and you've heard these rumors about this organization,
01:01:03
you know, this rebel organization or whatever, you're
01:01:06
kind of going to know where to look for certain things.
01:01:12
If he's like, oh, they're in Paris.
01:01:13
Oh, they probably are here. And again, and him being at the
01:01:18
Abbey, they left all kinds of information behind.
01:01:23
So it's possible he knew exactly where they were going.
01:01:27
And if you again, if you are familiar with the way things
01:01:30
work, if you know this is an American, he's trying to get
01:01:34
home, there's only one place only American.
01:01:39
Well, I mean, we, we only met one other American and he was
01:01:43
the one that was in the city keeping so.
01:01:47
And and I'm having, I do have a little problems with that, but
01:01:49
that side note, there got to be a few of us 'cause we are.
01:01:54
But I'm thinking. But you know what, probably not.
01:01:56
Cause think about the fact that there's hardly any people
01:02:00
walking around like we see so. You know, I get it because we
01:02:05
will be, you know, touring and, you know, on vacation.
01:02:09
And 20 years from now, I mean 20 years from the start, them
01:02:13
Americans probably found a way to go home or they're like, you
01:02:15
know what I'm. Home, home.
01:02:17
They're dead, huh? Where we they're dead If I am
01:02:23
over there on vacation living in the hotel like I don't know, a a
01:02:27
friend's a farm to go to you. Know, I mean, think about, think
01:02:32
about, think about Victor's husband and and his folks in
01:02:37
fear of The Walking Dead, they would.
01:02:38
My hotel, because they would. Yeah, they did good and they
01:02:42
couldn't get back home. Maybe the amount of living their
01:02:45
good life in a hotel near the beach because the walkers can't
01:02:49
swim. Well, you know what this is in
01:02:51
France. These these French walkers are
01:02:54
are. Are way different.
01:02:56
We may not have survived. They might have some breast
01:02:58
stroking walking over there so we don't.
01:03:01
Right. And if you needed a hairpiece,
01:03:03
you wouldn't be able to find you know what?
01:03:06
I thought we were going to get through a whole episode and not
01:03:09
talk about a hairpiece, but so. Everybody here should be looking
01:03:16
rough right now. I'm.
01:03:17
Just it's possible that he was able to get there that quickly.
01:03:22
And again, if you are, even before he started working for
01:03:27
Madam Janay, this was a man whose job it was to not
01:03:34
necessarily keep the piece, but he was the one that was going
01:03:38
finding these kids to recruit for soldiers.
01:03:41
He was the one training these people.
01:03:43
So he a person in his type of position, they have to have
01:03:47
their ear on the ground. They have to know where people
01:03:49
would go for certain things. And even when he walks into the
01:03:52
club, Quinn is like Madam Janae and I have an agreement.
01:03:56
My club is off limits. So obviously Madam Janae knows
01:04:00
about the club. Why wouldn't control, but maybe
01:04:03
she was the one who told him. OK, hey, why don't you go check
01:04:06
this place out? Because they do shady stuff
01:04:10
there. And if you're looking for a way
01:04:14
to get around that's kind of off the books or out of the way,
01:04:18
that might be the first place you go.
01:04:22
I don't think they know that he looking to get off the island.
01:04:27
The island get out of France, they.
01:04:30
Stole him to bring him the France, so obviously he don't
01:04:34
want to go back home, no. No, no, I'm saying I don't think
01:04:38
that they, my thought is they're not thinking that he's, you
01:04:44
know, doing a list and search for a radio so he can leave.
01:04:47
Because to me, my thought would be #1 you know, you in, in in
01:04:52
some seat somewhere, you know, you came off this boat.
01:04:56
My thought would be, I want to get him back because he escaped
01:05:02
more than anything, not knowing that he's trying to get back
01:05:08
home, so to speak. My thought would be I lost my
01:05:11
prisoner, let me get him back. Well, it might not even be that
01:05:14
they're thinking that he's trying to get home, that he
01:05:17
knows that they're looking for him.
01:05:18
He knows somebody is looking for him.
01:05:21
Why would I want to stay? I'm going to try to find the
01:05:23
first thing, smoking, flying, Slytherin, whatever out of the
01:05:29
city. I'm trying to get the fuck away.
01:05:31
True. So, so yeah, I mean, but either
01:05:36
way it goes, even if he's trying to search for information like,
01:05:41
oh, these people kidnapped me, I need to know who these people
01:05:44
are and what they're doing. Even if he's looking for that
01:05:47
kind of information, Quinn's place might be the, it might be
01:05:51
the place to go get it. So, you know, I can't imagine
01:05:55
that there's a lot of those types of establishments, you
01:05:58
know, around. So it's not like he has a whole
01:06:03
bunch of places to choose from. You might literally hit it in
01:06:08
Paris. You might literally have that
01:06:10
one place. And I, I have the feeling if
01:06:13
there was something similar in Paris, Quinn seems the type of
01:06:17
person who would knock out that competition real quick because
01:06:22
he wants to make sure that he's the only source of information,
01:06:26
that he's the only source for goods, commodities, whatever
01:06:29
might need to be traded. He wants to make sure that he is
01:06:33
the person in charge, the person in demand, the person that
01:06:37
you're going to go to, so that he can kind of make those kinds
01:06:41
of relationships like the one he has with Madam Janae, where he's
01:06:45
like, OK, my club is off limits. What does he have to do in order
01:06:50
for his club to be off limits? Is is he giving her a share of
01:06:53
the cut? I mean, because again, it's not
01:06:56
like money is a currency that we we really need.
01:06:59
But this man has drugs. This man has alcohol.
01:07:02
I'll. Tell him what else he has that
01:07:06
she might need. He might have an he might have
01:07:09
his ear to the ground and knows where to get weapons.
01:07:11
And she's like, oh, OK, I need some guns.
01:07:14
OK, I'll give you the guns. But you turn your you turn your
01:07:17
back on everything else we do in this club.
01:07:21
You can't really build that kind of relationship with someone as
01:07:25
important as Madam Janae. If there are competitors around,
01:07:31
like, oh, OK, I know Quinn told you he can get you this, but I
01:07:34
can get you this and this. Now Quinn is going to cut that
01:07:38
out. So it it's very possible he is
01:07:42
the only place they can go to. And that's probably why they
01:07:45
found him so quick. She was like, yeah, go check
01:07:48
here. Because even if he hasn't seen
01:07:51
the American, Quinn probably has enough eyes around the city to
01:07:57
tell him that something is up. Oh, we got people in the city
01:08:00
that we've never seen before that aren't that aren't
01:08:03
regulars. Again, they don't have a lot of
01:08:06
people walking around Friends. I've, we've said this since
01:08:09
episode 1. So if someone different comes
01:08:13
into your periphery, you're going to be looking at them like
01:08:15
who the fuck are you and why the fuck?
01:08:16
Are you that's? True, and Quinn would definitely
01:08:21
be a prize on all of that stuff. OK, pause one second.
01:08:25
I see. Because it just got to the part
01:08:27
where they was on the little bridge talking and Laurent
01:08:31
can't. He heard them.
01:08:32
He came up behind them and then that's when he was like, I hate
01:08:35
you both. So yeah, he did OK.
01:08:37
He heard them and then he said I hate you both and ran out the
01:08:41
window. They were standing like right
01:08:43
open, right in the open. OK, so so again heard.
01:08:49
Their conversation. Let's go back to Daryl Dixon and
01:08:52
common sense. Since when are you having these
01:08:54
kinds of open conversation where everybody and their Mama can
01:08:57
hear you? It's not like y'all have rooms
01:09:00
with doors in this. Place you just talking to your
01:09:04
regular normal speaking voice right this spring.
01:09:08
You ain't nothing you like. Hey, this little boy and your
01:09:12
ass, now he even heard you and he's like I hate you both.
01:09:18
So now he knows. So if that's the case, now he
01:09:20
knows the truth. He knows you're his auntie.
01:09:23
He knows the Quintus is dead. And if that's the case, he knows
01:09:29
that you are his auntie that has lived with him all of these
01:09:33
years, never said anything. Not a word.
01:09:38
Never treated him as family like you treated him as, as the nun
01:09:44
of the Abbey, as you know, a a caregiver, a protector, not not
01:09:51
like family. So he has even more reason now
01:09:56
to be like, I can't stand you because I've been wondering who
01:10:01
I am all of this time. And you could have told me all
01:10:05
of this time, but instead you've been feeding into this or you've
01:10:15
been believing this whole thing about me being the savior, me
01:10:20
saving humanity, whatever this it is.
01:10:24
It's kind of like a it's like the Dumbledore effect from Harry
01:10:28
Potter. It's you're raising, it's like
01:10:30
you're raising the pig to slaughter.
01:10:32
I'm not saying that's going to happen, but when you have
01:10:36
someone like Laurent, let's just put it out there, the the
01:10:42
thoughts or the assumption that he could be immune to this,
01:10:47
whatever it is that makes them change because of the fact that
01:10:50
his mom was already turned when she gave birth to him and it
01:10:55
didn't affect him in a negative way.
01:10:59
In order for that to be used to help humanity, chances are
01:11:07
there's going to be a medical procedure involved.
01:11:10
Chances are it's going to be a medical procedure that he may
01:11:14
not be able to survive. You know what I'm saying?
01:11:18
So it's like, Yep, that adds different layers to that whole
01:11:26
situation. And just again, how is the
01:11:31
should have handled it from from the get go.
01:11:35
And again, I really kind of feel like.
01:11:37
She. Kept her distance because at
01:11:41
some point she realizes she's going to have to let go of him
01:11:44
and if she is emotionally attached to him she may not have
01:11:48
the strength to do that. I and I I really think that's
01:11:52
the only reason why she has not told him the truth before now.
01:11:57
And if if that's the case, that's very selfish of her.
01:12:00
Absolutely, and is also at the same time, it's very unselfish
01:12:06
of her because she's putting humanity's needs first.
01:12:11
But I'm, I, I don't know, I, I guess I'm, I'm the type if it's
01:12:17
a choice between my child and the I'm sorry, humanity.
01:12:20
Look at it as her putting humanity first.
01:12:23
Looks like Carol said. If, if that's truly what it is,
01:12:27
let this little boy know what he he's not like.
01:12:29
He ain't no little baby kid. He's old enough to comprehend
01:12:33
and understand. So if you feel like this is what
01:12:36
this child is, tell him that. I agree with Darrell on that.
01:12:40
Aspect. Yeah, let him make a decision.
01:12:45
Because at the rate y'all going trying to be all hush hush and
01:12:48
secret about everything that's going on, you could tell with
01:12:51
this child once he find out something, oh Lord, the world is
01:12:53
over and he got to run away. But if you go ahead and just
01:12:57
tell him what is going on, because like he said, that's a
01:13:00
lot of pressure to put on one person, you know?
01:13:02
Like they're literally treating him like a Messiah when he walks
01:13:06
into the nest. Yeah, and then he's a little ass
01:13:09
kid. So it's like I'm living up to an
01:13:12
expectation that all these people have of me.
01:13:14
And I'm not even sure what that level of expectation that they
01:13:17
have is. I just know that some kind of
01:13:20
way they think I'm very, very special.
01:13:23
I'm a very special kid. What else?
01:13:27
I'm special to what? Because even when they was
01:13:32
walking and. Like in the.
01:13:35
Beginning and La, Ron told said said to Darryl.
01:13:37
You won't die in Paris. What?
01:13:41
Like, right, that's the, that's the other thing I was like, so
01:13:46
is this something he's just saying or is this something that
01:13:48
he feels? Or is this because again, I, I
01:13:51
feel like they're kind of sort of trying to introduce like a
01:13:56
supernatural element with Laurent.
01:13:59
But of course there are also things that are happening
01:14:03
simultaneously that you can use to explain that.
01:14:07
But if if this is a child that is seeing things or has
01:14:11
premonitions, I mean, again, if you think back to the early,
01:14:15
early days of The Walking Dead, when we would see the dead
01:14:21
people start to transition into the walkers.
01:14:26
Remember, they would show us like flashes of what was
01:14:29
happening in their brain and they would have like these
01:14:31
different little flashes of zombies or people and just
01:14:36
different little things. I'm wondering if the what kind
01:14:40
of gets the same kind of flashes because of the fact that his
01:14:43
mother was already turned? Like does he have any of those
01:14:47
special, I was going to say special effects.
01:14:51
But just the some parts of his brain that is.
01:14:58
Yeah, yeah. Because of all the stuff that's
01:15:00
happening to your brain when you be while you're transitioning,
01:15:04
it could have, you know, it really could have like so.
01:15:07
Yeah, that's that's the kind of thing I'm, I'm kind of wondering
01:15:11
if they're trying to show us with this, like with this
01:15:13
character, like we don't see a lot of I mean, we almost see
01:15:17
none of the supernatural elements and this show, aside
01:15:21
from people getting up from, you know, waking up from the dead
01:15:25
and and walking again. But that last little episode of
01:15:29
Tales that we still haven't talked about where there was
01:15:31
like a ghost, a ghostly figure that Michelle refuses to discuss
01:15:37
with us, like what she don't want to talk about.
01:15:40
But aside from that, we really haven't seen anything of the
01:15:44
supernatural. So it's kind of like we're only
01:15:48
three episodes into this show. We have three more episodes to
01:15:51
go. So I don't know what else
01:15:53
they'll show us about Laurent or what else they'll tell us about
01:15:56
his background. But it's kind of like, I wonder,
01:15:59
is he seeing things? Maybe not like, oh, I can
01:16:04
predict the future or whatever, but there might be certain
01:16:07
things that he knows or that he feels or has a sixth sense
01:16:10
about. I don't think that that's
01:16:12
anything, you know, out of the, I don't think that's anything
01:16:17
extreme because even in everyday life, you have people who are so
01:16:23
empathetic and and so sensitive that they can sense those type
01:16:28
of things or they can kind of see those type of things.
01:16:32
So I'm not saying it, it's something that can't be.
01:16:36
It would just be interesting if that's where they're going with
01:16:38
this character. But again, I feel like
01:16:41
everything that they're showing us where it could have an
01:16:44
unearthly explanation, they're also backing it up with an
01:16:47
actual explanation. Like, oh, yeah, I know it seems
01:16:50
like this, but it's really this. So I I don't know, it'll be
01:16:54
interesting. But the way that he said that
01:16:57
was kind of it was eerie. Don't worry, miss, don't worry,
01:17:02
Daryl, You are not going to die in front France.
01:17:07
You, you got a main line to someone that that told you.
01:17:12
So he, he seemed, he seemed very sure about that.
01:17:17
So I don't know, that was kind of, that was kind of
01:17:21
interesting. But I guess as we get into the
01:17:26
other episodes, we'll see more about his character.
01:17:29
And I don't know what the deal really is with him, 'cause I,
01:17:37
I'm, I'm not saying he's special in that sense, but something is
01:17:42
definitely off about that child. I know one could fix it a.
01:17:49
Whooping. I don't know.
01:17:57
I don't know. I don't know if that would help
01:18:00
at this point. Just sorry, like just to go back
01:18:05
like it would solve so many of your problems if you just tell
01:18:09
this boy what's going on. I think we talked about this on
01:18:13
a previous panel about it. It's not that he needs a
01:18:17
whooping, it's just that he's been sheltered and not aware.
01:18:20
And the things that she's doing, you're not helping the situation
01:18:25
because, yeah, he doesn't know how to really express his
01:18:27
emotions. So he's finding out a lot of
01:18:29
information and he's acting like a kid, but you can't act like a
01:18:33
kid during this time. But he has to be trained not to
01:18:39
act like a kid during this time, so it's hard.
01:18:42
'Cause he's been the only kid for so long.
01:18:45
Yeah, but now they don't even it because I feel like if Judith
01:18:50
was the only kid, OK, let's go back.
01:18:53
Carl was the only kid, but they taught him how to survive.
01:18:58
He made mistakes. He made.
01:19:00
He did with Carl because he made.
01:19:02
Mistakes. Carl had 10 years, 12 years even
01:19:08
in the. Beginning even in the beginning
01:19:11
he he was making some errors, but they were teaching him as
01:19:15
they went. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:19:16
And that's what I'm saying before.
01:19:17
The within the year, within the year of everything happening, he
01:19:22
was learning that his. Little.
01:19:24
Boy, but he was still he was still doing some dumb.
01:19:26
And that's fine, but he was learning this friend.
01:19:29
It's been how many years? How many?
01:19:31
How old are we saying he is now? I think he's like 12/13, 12:13
01:19:36
nothing. But he had.
01:19:39
You can't compare the two. Laurent was born literally at
01:19:44
the start of this no? No, no, I understand that you
01:19:47
could not take him outside the gates and teach him.
01:19:50
That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about you still
01:19:52
haven't been trained him. You didn't.
01:19:54
You didn't train them then you all the nuns are trained killing
01:19:57
nuns. Yeah, but no, I would want one.
01:20:01
Why would they? Got him reading to a dead
01:20:03
person. You see what I'm saying?
01:20:06
Like, And then you don't tell him.
01:20:08
You don't even tell him truths. And I and, and, but you know
01:20:11
what, if you think about it, Izzy, given the lifestyle she
01:20:19
was leading before she came to the nunnery and then her having
01:20:24
to lead a different type, but almost similar lifestyle, like
01:20:29
her lifestyle before the nunnery was probably was full of lies
01:20:32
and secrets. So that's something that she
01:20:35
understands. That's something she knows.
01:20:37
How did I get that? And you can still lie to him in
01:20:39
a different way to make him feel like he knows something.
01:20:42
But you still can train him like if something happens to you guys
01:20:47
because because here's the thing.
01:20:50
If you are thinking that this is a miracle child like he's.
01:20:54
Protecting himself. Their their whole thing is we're
01:20:58
keeping him in the gates. We are going to be the ones to
01:21:01
protect him. I mean, like you said, all the
01:21:03
knives and everything. They knew how to fight.
01:21:06
They knew how to shoot. So he couldn't practice with
01:21:09
them. They they probably.
01:21:12
You, you, you can see where I'm going with this.
01:21:14
You because. They're living in a country that
01:21:18
is already creating child soldiers.
01:21:20
Their mindset is going to be we're going to keep him as far.
01:21:23
So. So your opposite thing is if
01:21:26
something happens to us, let's just say the common cold takes
01:21:30
all these adults out in this building, you have now left a
01:21:33
child who can't defend himself. And I get what you're saying,
01:21:37
but. I'm I'm not asking.
01:21:39
You to make him super soldier. I understand that I'm not asking
01:21:42
you to make him super soldier, but he has to be enough to
01:21:46
protect himself and I just a little bit and I agree with you,
01:21:51
but I'm thinking I'm trying to get into Isabel's mindset and
01:21:57
well. First of all, Isabel makes dumb
01:21:59
choices so we know what her mindset is.
01:22:05
But she thinks that she's protecting.
01:22:08
The most? Important thing in the world.
01:22:10
Yeah, 'cause I mean, she has, she has made dumb choice, yeah.
01:22:15
Yeah. So she she's just living in the
01:22:20
she's still living in the denial stage of all this, to be honest
01:22:24
with you, she really is. Because if he is going to be
01:22:28
something special, we going to make sure, OK, I'm going back to
01:22:32
the Terminator may not be right, but she knew her son was
01:22:37
supposed to lead them. So she trained herself fiercely,
01:22:41
but trained him to not necessarily be like her, but to
01:22:45
give away, steal cars, get money, like be able to survive
01:22:50
if something happened to her, and to know the clues of the
01:22:55
what to stay away from and who to go to.
01:22:58
Yeah, they could have just simple things, simple things
01:23:01
like we're playing baseball. But really, you're kind of
01:23:03
showing him how to do some karate.
01:23:07
I mean, you could have dressed it up in a different.
01:23:09
Way I mean, I agree I I definitely agree, but I just.
01:23:13
Cause the nuns went out in one day.
01:23:15
The nuns went out in one day. All.
01:23:18
Of them. Yeah, I just don't think that's
01:23:21
where her mindset was. I I think I think she probably
01:23:27
thought she would have more time and she would let him be a child
01:23:31
first because like Daryl said, this is a huge burden to put on
01:23:35
a child. I don't think she was expecting
01:23:38
for could drone to show up at the Abbey and and do what he
01:23:44
did. I don't think you know, she
01:23:45
wasn't expecting Darryl to show up.
01:23:47
She wasn't They they lived a peaceful life for 12 years.
01:23:50
Nobody ever came right. So where you gonna wait till he
01:23:52
was 30 when you're dying to say, oh, let me show you how to kill
01:23:56
a Walker? No, she probably would have
01:23:58
waited until he was like 18-6 or well 16 because I think in
01:24:02
France legally I think 16 is where the so she probably you
01:24:07
think. I don't think she would have
01:24:09
waited 16. They would have just been living
01:24:10
there. He'd be like, let me go off.
01:24:12
And she's like, no, you're special.
01:24:14
No, I don't think so, because eventually he's going to have to
01:24:17
go do whatever he's supposed to be doing for humanity.
01:24:20
He's going to become the Messiah, whatever that entails.
01:24:25
So I, I really think she was just trying to protect his
01:24:29
childhood for as long as she could.
01:24:31
And again, that's not something you can really do in a world.
01:24:35
In the situation that you're in. Yeah.
01:24:38
But that's why I said I don't know.
01:24:40
I just think she was in denial and she just didn't know what to
01:24:43
do. I don't know.
01:24:46
And guess what? All the other nuns just went
01:24:48
with her. Yeah, but how her back?
01:24:49
They were talking about her. But what makes her the the the
01:24:54
the the beacon of light to give all the direction?
01:24:58
What made her the? Because that was his aunt.
01:25:00
Because that's his aunt. Yeah, she's the aunt.
01:25:03
So they were like, we can't say nothing.
01:25:07
Yeah, like it's, it's not like, well, I mean.
01:25:10
They could have said something. They could have, and technically
01:25:13
they probably could have kept the child and they could have
01:25:15
kicked her out. But I'm sorry cause 'cause
01:25:17
reading the Bible to the dead priest, what life lesson have we
01:25:22
learned from that? What's the lesson in that?
01:25:26
Please let me know. He was reading to his friendly.
01:25:30
Oh my gosh, but. Now that you outside them gates,
01:25:33
what what what you going to do with that skill talk to walk of
01:25:35
the death? What what you going to?
01:25:40
Do I mean I got? Nothing.
01:25:40
Like I said, I agree he's special.
01:25:42
Like his specialness is going to kill a Walker.
01:25:46
I I agree wholeheartedly with Michelle.
01:25:48
Like I said, I was just trying to look at it from Izzy's point
01:25:52
of view and why they. But that's why I said what?
01:25:54
They needed to do. Right.
01:25:56
And that's why I said he didn't need a a a spanking.
01:25:59
He just needed. And training.
01:26:04
And I. I mean not even that like how to
01:26:10
hide? From a walk or something?
01:26:12
Help him, help him help. Yeah, because.
01:26:14
Even when they were trying to hide him in the attic from the
01:26:16
people with the guns, his ass was still trying to get out.
01:26:21
I know. I know does.
01:26:24
If I tell you to stay in this fucking room, why is you fucking
01:26:30
with the door knob? Right, because when he used to
01:26:33
when they used to stay there, yeah.
01:26:35
And don't let nobody in. Don't open the door.
01:26:38
But again, that. Is hard.
01:26:40
I come back to you. Part of that is due to what
01:26:44
Michelle said. They they didn't train him.
01:26:47
So this one, this one didn't. Want to listen though?
01:26:50
He has. No impulse control.
01:26:53
He probably has no impulse control.
01:26:56
He probably has never been told knowing his life as far as like,
01:27:01
yeah, he'd. Be so naive that you don't sense
01:27:05
danger. Danger if you if you've been
01:27:09
living up behind I don't I. Don't give a damn.
01:27:12
I don't care if you've been living behind closed doors, you
01:27:15
know, if you hear Powell and see somebody fall, oh, that's that's
01:27:18
not safe for me. I want to stay far away from
01:27:21
that as I can. I know, I know.
01:27:22
And if you like, if you say, oh, something bad coming, stay in
01:27:28
this room. Maybe he thought that was how he
01:27:31
was supposed to be the savior. Maybe he was like, oh, I'm
01:27:34
supposed to go say these people. I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm just
01:27:38
playing devil's advocate. Sorry by you coming out you have
01:27:42
caused a ruckus. Because now they know a child is
01:27:46
here and they're like, oh, wait. We need him for war now because
01:27:51
you don't want to sit your ass down in the damn closet.
01:27:56
But at the same time, if they had killed all the nuns, he
01:28:01
would have just been stuck in that closet.
01:28:04
No, he wouldn't. No, he wouldn't.
01:28:06
He got out as bad as he is. He climbed to the window or
01:28:10
something. He'd have got out.
01:28:13
He would not have said that. He would have been free.
01:28:16
No, I'm pulling the Michelle. I'm trying to explain stuff, no.
01:28:21
You got it. I I mean, come on, you got to be
01:28:24
even a 2 year old. You got a baby running through
01:28:27
the house. They see them stairs, they're
01:28:28
going to be like, oh, wait a minute, they don't look right.
01:28:31
No, but they fall down first though.
01:28:33
But I'm saying but they gonna look at it and be like I'm a
01:28:37
try. No, not him.
01:28:39
He's just running full fledge for the stairs.
01:28:42
Only you just don't. Because he never had.
01:28:44
It's so sad we had this concept because he never had the falling
01:28:47
down the stairs. Cause the kids, you fall out the
01:28:49
bed, you realize, don't jump on the bed.
01:28:52
Yeah. They hadn't let him do that yet.
01:28:54
Yeah, they have emotionally stunted this human being.
01:28:59
Yes, they exactly how to listen, listen.
01:29:05
Obviously, obviously they didn't because if stay in this closet,
01:29:10
keep the door locked, don't come out until I come get you no and
01:29:16
you start fumbling with the lock so you can get obviously they
01:29:19
didn't teach him to listen or if they taught him the lesson did
01:29:22
not take. Because he never had to, he
01:29:25
never experienced like danger. So he's.
01:29:27
Like they're playing. I was.
01:29:28
Saying they're playing a game with me.
01:29:30
They're playing a game. They would come out in 10
01:29:33
minutes for my birthday cake, No.
01:29:35
No, no. If you are reading to a man
01:29:37
through a door and he's growling and trying to get at you, why
01:29:41
you ain't getting close. If you don't know danger this
01:29:44
Oh, you just go to the door and read to him.
01:29:47
Let me whisper in your ear. Read to no You know what danger
01:29:51
looks like if you get too close to this man?
01:29:53
He gonna eat your ass, but he. Got a little bit of common
01:29:56
sense? Yeah, like, come on.
01:29:58
Yeah, don't get close. To the wall, but not enough
01:30:00
common sense to sit your ass down in this.
01:30:02
No, because there was no other danger.
01:30:04
They were playing the game. I didn't go speak.
01:30:07
No. You know what?
01:30:08
We're going to get off this child.
01:30:09
We go get off this child. He wasn't, he wasn't raised the
01:30:15
way he needed to be raised. Like you said, Michelle, he
01:30:19
should. He really should have been
01:30:20
raised similar to the way Judith was raised.
01:30:24
This world is all Judith has known as well as she literally
01:30:29
had a sword put in her hand at 4 even though it was a toy sword
01:30:33
and even though her and Mama Michonne was sitting there play
01:30:35
fighting, she still had the upbringing to grow up in this
01:30:41
world and that was Rick's. I mean, that was very much
01:30:44
Rick's doing when he had the conversation with Michonne and
01:30:48
told Michonne about Shane and about I had to accept that she
01:30:52
wasn't, that she was his in order for her to be mine, in
01:30:56
order for me to be able to protect her, in order for me to
01:30:59
be able to teach her the things that she needs to survive in
01:31:02
this world. Rick had that mindset.
01:31:05
He wasn't thinking, oh, she's going to be the little girl that
01:31:08
saves humanity or whatever. He's thinking I need to teach
01:31:12
her to survive in this world. And when he disappeared,
01:31:16
Michonne carried that. But in no, I did not lie to they
01:31:21
damn kids. Well, that too.
01:31:25
They lied to a name. Omit and leave out.
01:31:27
No, they were very honest. Yeah, they were very honest with
01:31:31
them. Yeah.
01:31:33
So because they really wanted them to be prepared to survive
01:31:36
anything. Right.
01:31:39
And even if you waited till he was 1816 to teach him at that
01:31:44
point it would have been, it still would have been hard.
01:31:47
And then he will still be, he will be pissed off too.
01:31:49
You know what I'm saying? Like you didn't prepare me for
01:31:54
this and you could have told, you could have told me.
01:31:58
I could have, you know, made my decision.
01:32:01
Cause Laurent might be like. Me, yeah, 'cause it honestly, to
01:32:04
be honest with you, he don't have to really know that that's
01:32:06
his aunt. He didn't need to know that.
01:32:08
He didn't. He didn't really need to know.
01:32:10
He need to know who his mom was. And to be honest, she doesn't
01:32:13
necessarily know who the daddy is.
01:32:16
You really don't. We need, we need Adna test, but
01:32:22
you don't. So you can just tell him about
01:32:25
his mom, you know, and that that you're special.
01:32:28
We don't know how special. What makes you special.
01:32:31
I just feel like you're special because you were able to survive
01:32:34
that. That means you're a survivor.
01:32:36
You could have been like that. You're a survivor, and maybe you
01:32:40
as a survivor can help the rest of us survive and lead us to a a
01:32:43
new world. She could have spun it like
01:32:46
that. Look at here, Destiny's Child.
01:32:48
They ain't no survivors. They can't.
01:32:50
He can't even survive in the closet.
01:32:54
Oh my God, I'm. Just saying what what she could,
01:32:57
what she could have done, but that's not what she did.
01:32:59
And now you have someone who is unpredictable in a situation.
01:33:05
You need them to be predictable. You need him to be able to
01:33:08
listen. You need for him to not be lost
01:33:11
and have a little bit of wit running.
01:33:14
Off, But how do you not even know that running off is unsafe?
01:33:18
Because he. OK, I I will say this, if I see
01:33:26
20 guys coming in the door with machine guns and starting to
01:33:31
shoot people, I probably would run to.
01:33:34
That part I get. He ran off before that.
01:33:40
He ran off and said I hate you before that.
01:33:43
So he ran off before the people even came in.
01:33:46
But see that again? And that's the thing, no?
01:33:49
No, Stop making no. No, no, no, no, I'm not making
01:33:52
excuse, but I what I was going to say and see, that's the thing
01:33:55
that kind of made me wonder because he said you did this, I
01:34:01
hate you both, which I took as you were the ones who let them
01:34:05
here because before they went to the Demi Monde.
01:34:11
So John probably wouldn't would have never found where they
01:34:13
were. He found where they were because
01:34:16
of. Quinn but but he left.
01:34:18
The little boy left before the people came in.
01:34:21
He got them with They was on the bridge talking.
01:34:24
I know talking. Then he said I hate you and he
01:34:27
left and was going down. The thing I know.
01:34:30
But you're forgetting the first part of that sentence, he said.
01:34:34
You did this mean, which is why I said meaning you let these
01:34:41
people to our door. You are putting these people in
01:34:44
danger, He. Didn't say that.
01:34:45
First, yes, yes he did. He said you did this.
01:34:49
I hate you both. Go back and watch it.
01:34:52
He said you did this. I hate you both.
01:34:55
That's why I was like, oh, he knew that they were coming.
01:34:58
And again, if he was already, if he was up and walking around, he
01:35:02
may have seen them through the windows and and whatever.
01:35:06
But if he wasn't, if he sensed it, then that's a whole other
01:35:10
conversation about what Laurent can or can't do.
01:35:15
But yeah, he says you did this. I hate you both.
01:35:19
Which in my mind means you let these people to the to this door
01:35:26
and now people are going to die because of it.
01:35:28
Because you see towards the end of the episode when Isabel is
01:35:33
walking through calling Laurent's name, she's literally
01:35:37
stepping over dead bodies. So I feel like whether he saw
01:35:43
them coming, whether he sensed it, whatever, he knew that
01:35:46
danger was coming. And he blames Laurent.
01:35:49
I mean, he blames Izzy and Daryl for it.
01:35:53
So I mean, if he knew they were coming, I I, yeah, I would have
01:35:58
got on too. Like, yeah, let me get out of
01:36:00
here before the shooting starts, because once the shooting
01:36:04
starts, you can't control where those bullets go.
01:36:06
That's. True.
01:36:09
But let's see, I'm trying to think.
01:36:12
We've talked about the dynamics with Izzy and Quinn.
01:36:16
We talked about the glorious nightclub again.
01:36:19
If if a Walker apoc if a, if a zombie apocalypse happens,
01:36:24
please make sure I'm somewhere where the nightlife or the
01:36:27
entertainment will keep going. Because yeah, no, the governor,
01:36:34
he he had, you know, he was trying to do his little
01:36:37
entertainment thing. But watching the walkers fight
01:36:40
gladiatorial style, that's not no, give me the drag queen, give
01:36:46
me the singer, give me the dancers on the lyrics.
01:36:49
And yeah, give me all that stuff.
01:36:51
Let me let me have fun with. That.
01:36:56
Anything else we need to discuss about this episode?
01:36:59
I think we kind of got into our feelings about Laurent in the
01:37:02
way he was raised. But I mean.
01:37:05
But that's what makes this such a great yeah, yeah.
01:37:08
Because you know, and realistically it, it's just a
01:37:12
hard decision to make either way of what you need to do during
01:37:15
the time you needed to make and what you thought was the right
01:37:18
decision. And let me do your best.
01:37:21
And let me just say this, I talk a lot of shit about whooping
01:37:23
kids, but I need whoop my kids, right?
01:37:25
So yeah. And so, you know, we.
01:37:28
I can't even follow it. I could be lied to.
01:37:30
Yeah. I don't know who your mom and
01:37:32
daddy is. We just found you on the curve.
01:37:34
I mean. But see, that don't make sense
01:37:37
because now all of a sudden you telling him stuff about his
01:37:40
Mama. Oh, your Mama went to high
01:37:42
school here. And yeah, here's a picture of
01:37:45
your mom because you know, Laron had to see him.
01:37:47
Think how did you get a picture of my Mama?
01:37:49
Yeah, because I went back to my apartment.
01:37:52
Right, so and I just had to stop by your mama's apartment and get
01:37:56
this like I can understand she might have told obviously if she
01:38:00
said your Mama went to to high school down the street,
01:38:02
obviously Mama was from in the area and she knew Mama.
01:38:05
But yeah, for you all of a sudden start sharing this stuff
01:38:10
now. It's kind of like.
01:38:12
And I think Darryl is kind of weaving his way into her, like,
01:38:14
you know, he needs to know who he is and stuff.
01:38:17
So but my my only before we end, where's the drugs?
01:38:25
They probably left them at at Quinn's place because remember
01:38:28
that they stormed out in a huff. They should have took those.
01:38:31
Those are good exchanges for things.
01:38:34
She would have had to go back down into that, into that little
01:38:37
lounge area and Quinn would have followed them because, you know,
01:38:41
once all this stuff came out about Quinn.
01:38:43
No. Did she take the drugs from the
01:38:44
I missed that. Did she take it from the
01:38:46
fireplace, the whole container? No, she didn't take the whole
01:38:48
container. OK, that's why I was, I was
01:38:51
saying, did she take that? I think she probably put some of
01:38:55
that back because you don't want to give away.
01:38:57
All of your, your, your stuff. Oh, OK, I'll just make sure
01:39:02
because I'm like that's some you know, that's pure that's from
01:39:06
before, right, Right. So she probably that's some good
01:39:10
just in exchange for guns. Go back later.
01:39:14
OK, Yeah, I missed that. OK, Yeah, no, I think she that
01:39:18
was it. She took some of it.
01:39:20
So. But she can make good choices
01:39:22
about that, right? You know what?
01:39:24
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