If you have been a listener of our show for awhile, you may have noticed the absence of our self-proclaimed Theory Prognosticator and Dad-Joke Enthusiast, Mike, over the past couple of months. Well, fear no more - he's back!! We catch up with Mike to get his thoughts on the Thunderbolts*, The Wheel of Time, and The Last of Us.
Additional note: as he explains towards the end of the recording, Mike's absence was due to having surgery to remove his prostate after some positive findings for cancer. He is well now and thanks everyone for their well wishes, and urges all men to go get tested!!!
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah, and as you can
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see, I am joined by the full crew today for the first time in
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almost two months. So yeah, we got Anthony and
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Michelle and Casey, and Mike is back.
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Hi, Mike is back. Hey, Mike.
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Hey, what's up, guys? Welcome.
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Welcome. Back.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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It's good to be back. I missed you guys too.
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Like watching you guys on YouTube, they had me having like
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I had FOMO like a motherfucker. Especially on that The last Last
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of Us Gamer 1 I had, I had major FOMO.
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I was. Like well.
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You're, I was like, 'cause I was at that point, 'cause I told you
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I probably wanted to get in on that and I was like, I'd
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probably be alright, but it's OK.
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It was a great episode though, So I'm glad you.
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But yes, I'm, I'm good. I'm back and, and it's hot.
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God. Yes, it is.
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Yes, very much so. Like we're in, we are in Georgia
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and I think the temperature right now is hovering right
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around 100°. So yeah, it's hot, but OK, so
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this episode we're not going to talk about anything like
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specific, but we wanted to give Mike a chance to kind of catch
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up with the rest of the crew because he's missed a couple of
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things that we usually have him on the discussions for.
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Because for those of you who may not have known Mike head surgery
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was it May. The beginning of.
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May or late April. Late.
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April. Yeah, OK.
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Two months. Almost two months, yeah.
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So my head surgery, we've been missing him so we didn't get his
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take on a lot of things. So I just decided, hey, let's
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catch up with Mike and see what's going on.
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So what we're going to start with, since Casey is here
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because she doesn't watch the other two shows, we're going to
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go ahead and start with the Thunderbolts because I know I'm
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about to ask the question that's on everybody's mind in regards
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to Thunderbolts. Mike, how did you feel about
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your favorite character's appearance in the in the film?
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Grand opening. Grand closing.
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I was, I was, I was OK. I was, you know, I feel bad for
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her, but at the same time part of me was just like, to be
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honest, it was kind of anti climactic for me.
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It's like she died. Like, OK, fine, but it kind of
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pissed me off because they turned Taskmaster into a
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throwaway character and he's nothing like he shouldn't be a
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throwaway, he or she. Well, she's did like that.
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The Taskmaster shouldn't be a throwaway character because he's
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a very good character in the comics and they could have done
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a lot with him. He could have been a recurring
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villain because he's a mercenary.
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He could be working for anybody. They could have had him do a
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whole lot of different shows and appear like even shows or
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movies. He could appeared in either one.
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But it's like, it's kind of, it's kind of like they tainted
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him now. So it was kind of bittersweet
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for me and it really didn't. It didn't affect my opinion on
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the movie. OK, Which is what?
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Did you think of the movie? I enjoyed it.
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I thought it was great. I I really liked it because I'm
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secretly a ghost super fan like I love her character and I love
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her powers like the fight where they first meet was fucking
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phenomenal. Like I love that shit like I
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love her just phasing in and out.
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I love how when, when Century was losing his shit, like she
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went and saved people, like helping them phase through that
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building, falling down on him, I thought that was really fucking
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good. Yeah.
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I love Bob. I love Century and how they
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presented him because Century in the comics is basically just how
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Bob is in the movie. Like he's, he's a lost soul.
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He's he has all this time. He's like a big toddler who
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doesn't know his own strength. That's basically what he is and.
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That sounds about accurate, yeah.
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And that's how they portrayed him.
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It's like the fight scene in the Watchtower, like where he threw
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Red Guardian through the window and got him back.
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I was like, see. And just like, I was just really
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impressed because I was kind of worried about how he's going to
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do it because I know him from Top Gun Maverick and like I, I
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enjoyed his character there. I don't know if I don't know if
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any of guys have seen it. It's like.
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I haven't, but I heard he played a character named Bob in that
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one too. Yeah, he did.
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And but, but he was like a really kind of, he was like a
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little dork. He was, he was, he was dorky and
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he, he didn't fly the plane. He was the he was in the back
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like giving her directions and firing them in charge of the
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missile system, in charge of the weapon system of the fighter
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jet. So he was kind of a backseat
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character then. But it's like they really, I
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like how they did it. I can appreciate it and I, I
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really enjoyed it. To me personally, it was almost
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kind of a Black Widow redemption for how they let the Elena's
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character get developed in it. I really appreciated how they
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handled that. And I Bucky, Bucky was so weird
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to me because it's like you see him like, like just kind of like
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he seems lost to me in a lot of the movies he was.
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Matured. Yes, he was a leader.
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I, I, I, I get what Mike is saying.
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It's almost like he he, he thought he had purpose, but then
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he really wasn't sure. Yeah, I mean, I like them.
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And it's just like he just kind of seemed like to float in and
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out of the scene. And it's just kind of like, OK,
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I need, I need you to be a little more assertive, just like
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a little bit. And John Walker with John
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Walker, I didn't have any opinion.
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I'm I'm. I'm I'm here's who he is.
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Look. He great value cap.
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Yeah, exactly. Great value, Cap.
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He he is who he is. It's like, of course he's
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divorced from his wife, Of course he's over there pouting
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because he's not Captain America.
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He's still who he is. And I didn't expect him to be
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anything more than what he is in this movie.
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I expect them to still have that attitude where he still thinks
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that he's the shit and everybody looks at him like, really like I
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love, like Elena and Elena and Ghost were like, no Sir, no.
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They were they were tagged him in that ass and I was so.
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Happy I was. They were.
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They were it was beautiful, like they they were tag team dissing
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it. It was pretty perfect.
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I loved it. Valentin, I think, got a dig off
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of him too. What does she call him?
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I think, she said. Junior varsity Captain, America.
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JB Captain. Oh man, I'm Val.
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I love, I love Val's that Val as Marvel's Amanda Waller in this.
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I mean, that's basically who she was in the movie.
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She was, Think about it. She has a band of kind of
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halfway villains that she sent on a mission.
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She didn't expect any of them to come back and they tried to kill
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him. And she still ended up fixing
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things and being on top of it, even though she's really fucking
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shady. OK, She's Amanda Waller.
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OK. And I, I enjoy, I enjoy, I
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enjoyed it. I I liked her, liked her
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performance. Red Guardians.
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Red Guardian. He was fucking awesome.
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He was hilarious. Him driving into the desert like
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you love it. It's a troll up.
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Late way after the fact, we hiding.
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We hiding in the mouth, I. Loved, I loved his part in it.
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Then I'm. I'm OK now with them being the
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New Avengers 'cause I'm more, I was like, OK, 'cause they're,
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they're not really the Dark Avengers.
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Cause the Dark Avengers is an entirely different, different
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like set. And they would have to introduce
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Norman Osborne in that. And because Century is actually
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a member of the Dark Avengers in that comic run.
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So when they said he was part of the New Avengers, I was like,
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Oh, well, I mean, they're not doing.
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They can't do dark things. Right.
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They can't do Dark Avengers without Bullseye and Norman
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Osborne, So I knew they weren't doing that.
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So that's it's, it's an interesting take.
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I, I'm, I'm more interested to see how the clash between Elena
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and Sam Wilson's going to be because they're going to butt
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heads because Elena's the de facto leader of that whole crew,
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even though John Walker probably thinks he is.
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Elena is their leader. And even you, no matter how much
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John I, I have a feeling John Walker's going to try to like do
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some bossy things and Elaine's gonna be like, sit your bitch
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ass down. Why don't you think Bucky?
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Bucky, here's my OK, here's my thing on MCU's Bucky.
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The way that they are doing his character and the chances that
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they've given him don't give me a lot of confidence in him
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leading and then giving him a leading the role as a leader
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anytime soon. I I just don't get that from I
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can see it. I just don't know when they're
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it just doesn't seem like they're getting ready to do it
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right now. I mean it could happen, but it's
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like it the way they're developing his character.
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He still seems like a like a side character, like not really
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in charge. Think back to the what if where
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they had the Mex. It's like it was Sam, him and
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Photon and and and Monica. It wasn't just him.
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He wasn't he was he was one of the leaders, but he wasn't the
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leader. That's probably something that
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they will do. Like if they do have they might
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have Elena and him as Co leaders, which is which will be
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fine, But the two of them going against Sam is going to be
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interesting to see. It's going to be interesting to
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see how they pull that off. And also I'm looking forward to
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see if the rumors about the that being a different Fantastic Four
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in the jet than the one then the Pedro Pascal's group.
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Like, I heard that. I heard that rumor.
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I heard, I heard that this is actually a different cap.
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It's a different Fantastic Four that's coming into that
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universe. So I'm interested to see if that
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comes. I've heard, I've actually heard
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that two or three times. So I'm like, OK, I'll, I'm I'm
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willing to see see what happens. So that's probably going to come
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up at the end of the Fantastic Four movie, which still gives me
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hope that they're bringing back John Krasinski to play him
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again. Even just a string of them, just
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like have a little, have a little little string caught on,
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caught on the wing, just like floating and floating behind it,
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like, you know. But no, I didn't enjoy it.
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I think it's a, it's about a 7/7 and 1/2 for me.
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I really enjoyed it. I thought was good.
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I thought you were rank it higher because of the whole
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Taskmaster thing. Because it was so funny.
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We were all sitting there. We were like, we wonder what
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Mike is going to think because it included her so heavily in
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the promo. Like I literally have posters
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downstairs where they have just kind of stuck her in and she
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looks like she belongs there. And then when Ghost killed her,
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I was like, OK, she's going to get back up in a minute.
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And then she never got up. And I was like, did they really
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do all of that? Have her do all of this
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promotion 'cause she was on the promotional tour, they had all
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this stuff and y'all literally gave like, somebody needs to
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time it with a stopwatch? Because I think that's how short
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it was that she was on the screen.
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And I was just like. You only have one line too.
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Well, it's it's not outside the room a possibility that she
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could be in Doomsday, so. She could be bad, she got.
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Burnt to a crisp? Well then again, we don't know
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what her suit is made of. Her suit could have easily
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protected. Her.
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It could be a different version of her based on what they're
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going to do with the multiverse. Should they actually actually be
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20 masters this time? Yeah, I don't know.
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But yeah, I'm actually looking forward to the next next couple
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MCU movies. That should be cool.
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Yeah, and now I was actually looking when we looked at the
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Fantastic Four trailer today, the newest one, Yes.
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Yeah, I was actually looking forward to like, OK, so at the
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end of this movie they're going to then come to Thunderbolts
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Earth, and then you just change my thoughts on that when you say
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it could be another group. Damn it.
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Could. Be what we have been missing
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because MM throws those curveballs like that sometimes.
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That's what I do. I, I, I, I hit this way, then
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you go that way. He's he's the theory for.
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I'm I'm a theory progress theory.
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I can't even say I'm a theory prognosticator and dad joke
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enthusiast. Yes I am.
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Yes, sure AM. OK, do you think that
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thunderbolts went too dark? Not dark, but heavy.
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I I think that with but this is but then again, Marvel loves
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dealing with mental illness and mental health and mental issues
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like they they've done it since the end of since after in game.
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It's like that. They love dealing with people.
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They they love seeing showing people actually dealing with
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grief. They've done it a lot and
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dealing with grief, mental illness and getting their mind
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right. They've done it a lot done it
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throughout ever since in game stopped.
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So I, I was actually very pleased that they showed me
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Elena going through her get, getting through her depression
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and showing her actually, you know, coming out, coming out on
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the other side of it and showing how Bucky goes through it,
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showing how John Walker goes through it, showing, showing Bob
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actually coming to terms with things himself.
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So it's like, you know, it shows that there are always two sides
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of mental illness. Like there's, it wasn't really
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necessarily dark. It was just really mentally
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heavy as far as seeing somebody deal with, actually confront
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their depression and face it head on and take care of it.
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And I I really appreciate them for doing that.
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So before we move on to the next topic, does anybody have
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anything they would like to add about their thoughts on the
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Thunderbolts? It's been what, a month and a
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half now since it's been out. So I don't think I don't know if
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anybody is going to see it again.
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I I just. I want I can't wait to so it
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comes out on on plus so I can watch.
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It, I think it's coming out in a couple.
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Matter of fact, I think it's coming out maybe next week or
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maybe the week after that. So it'll be on digital?
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Yeah, I want, I want, I do want to watch it again.
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I think the only thing I add is like on reflection I feel like
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it it's a much better movie than people give regret before.
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It is it's it's it's. Way better.
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Much better. Yeah.
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I'm still upset about Captain America and Brave New World.
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Well, 'cause this one, they, it was a lot of love and care put
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into and yes, it was, you know, dark and heavy.
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I just, it's just very disappointing.
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And then we started Falcon in The Winter Soldier again and I'm
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like, oh, they just did him wrong.
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They just did him wrong. So.
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Yeah, I. Still underbolts just reminds me
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about how bad. Yeah, yeah, they they should
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have gave Sam his own story. I mean, he was still great in
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it, but it should have been his story and not a, you know, not a
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follow up of Bruce Banner story. And then to have all of that and
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then not have Bruce Banner at all.
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That was, yeah, it was. It was weird.
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Yeah, I mean, it was a glorified, it was basically
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basically a whole Red Hulk movie.
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I mean, it's like with, with, with Sam as a protagonist cause
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I watched it a couple more times since then.
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I still really like the movie and there's still great
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performances in it. Like Anthony Mackie is really
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good in it and I still need Carl Lumbley to get some fucking
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recognition for him from being fucking Isaiah Bradley.
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And I, I really like the movie. I it's like, what's the name?
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Ruth Batt Serif has grown on me. I actually really like her
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character. The, the, the, the movie was
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really, really good. I actually like it better having
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watched it again. It's just like the like the
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Marvels, it's like the Marvels I was kind of male on.
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But once I watched it, watched it a couple more times, I really
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enjoyed that. I started to really like that
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movie. So there's little things I
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noticed and I'm not as upset with how they portrayed the
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leader visually as I was when we when we first reviewed it.
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Like when last times I watched it, I tried to focus more on how
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he was acting, how he how he manipulated everybody as opposed
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to just seeing how you look and that.
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And I was like, OK, he actually did pretty good.
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So I'm not really upset at that either.
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I do kind of wish that they would.
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What I want them to do is I want them to get him like he was in
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the comics, like he he was able to control further in the
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comics. He Anthony can correct me if I'm
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wrong. He was able to control when he
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transformed into the Red Hulk, and he was actually mentally
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sentient and he could talk and he was like, hey, so 'cause he
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actually led the Thunderbolts, right?
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Yeah. So I, that's what I want to see.
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I I really want to see him. Wait, Yeah.
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That's why they call him the Thunderbolts.
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They. Were the Thunderbolts.
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Yeah, they've been. They've been.
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They've been a shit ton of iterations.
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Well, almost cause of the soccer team.
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The. Movie.
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Go ahead. That was for the movie.
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Right that those thunderbolts had nothing to do with the ones
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the one I'm talking about the. The ones in convocs are named
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for Thunderbolt Ross. They put he put the group
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together and he was the Red Hulk.
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Yeah, and it it, it had like a rotate.
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It had a rotating, rotating array of people in it.
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I mean, even Deadpool was a Thunderbolt at one point.
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Yeah, for. Somebody who doesn't He was, for
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all intents and purposes, Thunderbolt Ross.
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He was just a Red Hulk. Yeah.
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He was still him. Yeah, he was he he was sent here
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like he could talk. He like he was he actually ran
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to frack a team. Thunderbolts is actually are
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really good common. Like they're they're pretty good
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comics. But that that's why that that
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movie movie kind of threw me because I was like, see, that's
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not really unless unless they get him to transform and he like
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in Secret Wars or so or he they they bring him back in some
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formatter, but I don't think they're gonna do that.
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So I don't know. It's just weird that yeah.
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I don't know, but because it's kind of like they left, they
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left that door open with his character.
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I feel like maybe for the possibility of bringing him back
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for something else. But I think also with the
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Thunderbolts, and I don't know if this had anything to do with
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it because I can't remember when they actually started filming,
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but maybe they changed the concept of of the Thunderbolts
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and how they got started, how they got their name and stuff
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after William Hurt died. Maybe they hadn't at that point
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decided what they were going to do with Ross's character, right?
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So that that could have something to do.
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And there was like, OK, well, let's just change it up and do
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this and put a different spin on it.
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But again, we're talking about a a cinematic universe that deals
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with multiverses. So that's not to say that the
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comic accurate version of Thunderbolts isn't out there
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somewhere that we may see a version of it or we may see a
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glimpse of it or a cameo of it in one of the other films,
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'cause I swear if I see another random website update on the
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next person who is joining Doomsday, I'm like, are y'all
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gonna have any money left at this point?
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Because almost every day I see somebody new, oh, they're going
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to bring this person back. They're bringing this person
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back. They're bringing this person.
00:21:31
You know, now there's rumors that Disney is talking about
00:21:34
bringing Jonathan Majors back as Kane.
00:21:37
So. Wait till Secret Wars.
00:21:40
Yeah. So when Secret Wars says you're
00:21:43
going to, it's going to be even worse because they're going to
00:21:45
try this. Like there's going to be all
00:21:46
kinds of shit if they do. If they do Battle World, it's
00:21:50
going to be a, it's going to be a are.
00:21:52
We going to be looking at Secret Wars Part 1 and Secret Wars Part
00:21:55
2. Secret Wars Part 3.
00:21:57
Is it going to be like that? Cause because I don't.
00:22:02
One of the things about Doomsday, when they made that
00:22:09
initial announcement, that was 33 or 34 cast members that you
00:22:16
named then. And then there have been rumors
00:22:19
of other people since then, like, you know, people who are
00:22:22
taking set photos, like, oh, this person was on the set here
00:22:25
and this person was on the set. How how do you have a story with
00:22:30
that many characters and keep it cohesive?
00:22:34
I just, I don't know. Probably why.
00:22:36
Probably why, Kevin said said that Secret War is gonna be his
00:22:39
last one. He's like, I'm sick of this
00:22:40
shit. OK, look, I'm like I'm out.
00:22:44
But he started this, didn't he? Yes, yeah, yeah, it's his fault.
00:22:48
And he's getting ready to leave right after the Secret Wars.
00:22:50
Like he's like, this is your shit.
00:22:52
Like I know. Bye.
00:22:52
You don't care. He already made his.
00:22:54
Money, it's it's going to be one of those things where these
00:22:57
people are only going to be in there for like a minute or two.
00:23:00
Yeah, right. It because.
00:23:03
Kind of like John Krasinski and Patrick Stewart and.
00:23:06
Cause like the link the the the leak that I heard about what the
00:23:09
story was going to be, which I'm not going to repeat here.
00:23:12
It it, it makes sense there. There's gonna be a lot of
00:23:15
cameos, a lot of brief appearances.
00:23:19
OK, especially with the X-Men. With the X-Men, there's probably
00:23:21
gonna be a shit ton, like of just weird shit like like
00:23:25
mother, like people you haven't even thought of in a while.
00:23:28
It's like, 'cause I would have thought, I don't know it.
00:23:33
It just seems like. 'Cause you're missing Storm and
00:23:37
I still think she's gonna end up in that.
00:23:39
I think, you know, you have the actors who were like, Oh yeah,
00:23:42
that seems, that seems great. Or like Halle Berry was like,
00:23:46
nobody contacted me, whatever. That same thing, Andrew Garfield
00:23:51
and Tobey Maguire said. And.
00:23:52
You see how that turned out? It was a wonderful surprise.
00:23:55
Chris Evans a couple of a couple of weeks ago was that I think
00:23:59
the premiere of his new movie. He was like, yeah, it feels sad
00:24:02
seeing the band get back together and I'm not there.
00:24:05
Da, da, da, da. Whatever, Chris, whatever.
00:24:10
You know who's been quiet? Mark Ruffalo's been quiet, but
00:24:12
they haven't let him talk. They haven't let him talk to
00:24:14
nobody. Nobody but you know, he's also
00:24:18
one of the people that spoils things.
00:24:20
So that's probably why, Probably like we ain't telling you shit
00:24:23
until you you have to arrive on set and we're going to give you
00:24:27
your dialogue that day. No, they got his ass locked in
00:24:29
the trailer. They don't let him out with if
00:24:32
they he's actually if he's in it, they just let him out.
00:24:34
This film seems like get your ass back in the trailer.
00:24:36
And they should and they they cut him off from everything.
00:24:38
It's like there's no Wi-Fi in there.
00:24:40
And just like there's, there's barely ATV.
00:24:42
He has, he has like, he has like a like a old black and white TV
00:24:45
with AVCR and like, and like a box of videotapes.
00:24:47
He's like, yeah. And.
00:24:48
The Bunny ear antennas with the aluminum for.
00:24:51
It's just like they're like, no, you're not getting, we're not
00:24:54
letting you do shit like sit your ass down.
00:24:57
Yeah, yeah, him and him and Tom Holland.
00:24:59
They they just can't. They're they're like, no, we
00:25:00
ain't talking all a damn thing. Y'all need also work.
00:25:04
So how was Secret Invasions a part of that?
00:25:07
Not better not be, goddamn it. No, Absolutely.
00:25:12
Not but no. You.
00:25:13
You. Got it's in the catalog.
00:25:14
I mean where? Are we see what you what you're
00:25:16
doing is since Taskmash is going, you're trying to get me
00:25:18
mad about something else. You're trying to get me going
00:25:20
about something else. I'm just, you know, I'm just,
00:25:24
I'm with Michelle because Secret Wars, you gave this to us and
00:25:29
you introduced this whole new element and, and these new
00:25:34
people with these new powers. Khaleesi, I can't even remember
00:25:38
what her what her character's name was, but yeah.
00:25:42
But I'm kind of curious too. Like, so where does that leave
00:25:46
them? And then other other characters
00:25:49
that we got briefly and then they pulled out.
00:25:52
Because I've heard rumors that Moonlight is going to show up.
00:25:56
And I'm like, I just need to see.
00:25:57
I don't care if he's on the screen for two minutes.
00:26:00
I just need to see Oscar Isaac as moonlight and not as what's
00:26:07
his, what's his name, Apocalypse.
00:26:10
It would be there. Please don't don't right?
00:26:12
Don't need that. And then we've got to get our
00:26:14
questions answered about Roadie. So let's what what's happening?
00:26:18
Unless Roadie shows up and Iron Heart I mean help me.
00:26:23
Mike, you've seen the first 3, three episodes.
00:26:26
Does he show up yet? No, he's not.
00:26:28
He's not the first two. Episodes so we gotta include
00:26:32
Secret Invasion but. See, but see The thing is it's
00:26:35
like they they're him and they like they have armor wars, which
00:26:38
was supposed to be featuring him.
00:26:39
It was supposed to be ATV series, then supposed to be a
00:26:42
movie, then supposed to be canceled, then supposed to be
00:26:43
back on. So it's like we don't have no
00:26:45
idea what the fuck's going on roadie.
00:26:47
I mean down Shields gonna be 70 in like 10 years.
00:26:49
They need to hurry up and do something.
00:26:51
It's just like fucking. It's just like with Sam
00:26:53
Jackson's like Sam Jackson's get ready to be 80.
00:26:55
How y'all gonna still have him being Nick furious like y'all
00:26:57
got y'all got to get a get a multi, get a multiverse version
00:27:00
of Nick Fury where he's where he's like they haven't been like
00:27:04
Zac Efron being Nick Fury, but. Just like the Blade movie, they
00:27:08
apparently the Blade movie is still on.
00:27:11
Yep, back on 20 after like 20/20/28 you know.
00:27:16
It's been sure. It's been popping up in my feed
00:27:18
the last couple of days. And then of course, Mahershala
00:27:21
Ali is in the new Jurassic World movie.
00:27:23
So he was on the red carpet and someone on ET asked them.
00:27:27
They were like, so what's going on with this Blade movie?
00:27:29
He was like, look, just tell Disney I'm ready whenever they
00:27:32
ready. I'm ready.
00:27:34
So apparently it's not dead yet. So.
00:27:40
Only ever one blades, every going to be 1 blade.
00:27:42
Whoever thought that would have been prophetic?
00:27:47
I was wondering which one of y'all was going to say it first.
00:27:52
He said what he said he said. What?
00:27:53
He said. Oh.
00:27:57
Man. Oh, goodness.
00:27:59
OK, so I think we're going to move on from the Marvel talk.
00:28:02
And at this point, I think Casey is going to exit the chats.
00:28:06
Great to see you. Because she don't talk about
00:28:08
this other stuff. Enjoy your.
00:28:11
Other shows. That I'm surprised you don't
00:28:12
watch The Last of Us. You you watch The Walking Dead.
00:28:15
You don't watch The last. No, The Walking Dead is the
00:28:17
exception. Casey don't do horror stuff,
00:28:20
right? Yeah, Casey don't do horror
00:28:23
stuff. Walking Dead is the exception.
00:28:25
Kind of like who was, I think Anthony, you said something
00:28:29
about you don't do zombies, but you've done a little bit of The
00:28:31
Walking Dead and then you did The Last of Us.
00:28:33
But only I think if The Last of Us wasn't a video game that you
00:28:36
would play, you probably wouldn't have watched that
00:28:38
either. Probably not.
00:28:41
I mean, to be, to be fair, to be fair, I don't do horror stuff.
00:28:43
Either but. It's like The Last of Us got me
00:28:45
somehow. I don't know.
00:28:46
I don't know how it happened, but it's like I just watched for
00:28:49
example. We forced you into it.
00:28:50
It's called peer pressure. Apparently, yeah, I'm.
00:28:57
Yeah, I only watched The Last of Us up until they went to that.
00:29:00
Yeah. Yeah, Frank.
00:29:03
Oh, of course you would watch the gay episode, Casey.
00:29:08
And stop that. Which was really one of the
00:29:11
most, that was probably the best episodes on TV, period.
00:29:15
So. Oh, OK.
00:29:18
Thanks, love. I'll give you that.
00:29:19
I don't know what happened after that.
00:29:21
Maybe one of these days we'll get you to watch it.
00:29:23
I mean, it's Pedro Pascal. Well, you.
00:29:26
Know. I mean, I mean.
00:29:28
You know what people keep telling me?
00:29:31
I'm getting more and more lists. People are like, you got to
00:29:33
watch this, you got to watch that, you got to watch this.
00:29:35
So I have like a list this going of stuff that people tell me I
00:29:38
got to watch. So I'll add it on there and then
00:29:41
when I'm not doing anything. If the Nigerian is not any,
00:29:45
she's not watching. It I mean, that's a good way to
00:29:50
get her into something. So you see, OK, so we're going
00:30:00
to let Casey go and do her thing.
00:30:03
Appreciate it. Have fun and then you guys can
00:30:08
decide. Mike, what do you want to talk
00:30:09
about first? Because I know you've only seen
00:30:11
up to episode 5 of Will of Time, correct?
00:30:14
Because that's. Where I've seen I've watched
00:30:16
episode 6. OK, because that's the next one
00:30:18
we have to record so because. I I recorded with you guys on
00:30:22
episode 4 because I told you that was right about Elijah.
00:30:26
Oh yeah, you did. So you.
00:30:28
So you really only missed one episode only?
00:30:30
Episode. Five or two?
00:30:31
No, I think you. I think you recorded 3.
00:30:35
I missed 3 and I recorded 4. Oh, OK, OK, OK, so we we have to
00:30:41
do 6. So how are you feeling so far
00:30:44
About how how did you feel about wait, did you do?
00:30:48
The Summit. I didn't record episode 5 with
00:30:50
you guys. Was episode 5 Rowenian?
00:30:53
No, Rowenian was 4. Rowenian was 4.
00:30:56
Yeah. Episode 5 was oh, episode 5 was
00:30:59
he Wayne finding out who's been haunting her dream?
00:31:02
This bit No, you know what? See No.
00:31:06
Well, you see this, I'm gonna start this.
00:31:07
This how? I'm just how the hell I'm gonna
00:31:08
start this Rands bitch ass. I'm with Rand.
00:31:13
I'm just like freaking godfather three.
00:31:16
I'm like, anytime I thought I was gonna give him the benefit
00:31:19
of every time I thought I was out, he pulls me back in this
00:31:25
mother. Oh, I was so and I knew it was
00:31:27
gonna happen as soon as she started dream walking.
00:31:30
I was like, watch. I was like, I remember, I
00:31:33
remember, I remember when I watched it, as soon as she went
00:31:35
dream walking, I was like, she's gonna walk in on them.
00:31:37
She's gonna fucking walk in on I know it and fucking Leandrin's
00:31:42
ass. I'm like, you got being.
00:31:44
She knows how to play the game. You got to you, you, you.
00:31:47
I mean land fear. Land fear.
00:31:49
Yeah. Land fear.
00:31:50
Not Leandrin. Land fear.
00:31:52
Land fear Lamprey knows how to play the game.
00:31:56
I can't be. I can't even fucking be mad at
00:31:57
her. I was like, I like as soon as I
00:32:00
saw like in the beginning when they were sitting and she was
00:32:02
like, she was like I love you and they were kissing and shit.
00:32:05
I was like this fucking Rands look.
00:32:11
You have to remember, Rand is still young.
00:32:14
He still can get. We can.
00:32:16
Only use that excuse like for so many things.
00:32:19
I mean when if if it when he's when he when he's awake and he's
00:32:23
trying, he's trying to get in bed with a Gwaine and he's like,
00:32:27
oh wait, we can wait this fine Da da da, da.
00:32:29
Then he goes to sleep and he dreams that he's with fucking
00:32:32
fucking land fear. I'm like.
00:32:35
But I don't think that can all be blamed on him because Land
00:32:38
Fear is kind of inserting herself in there too.
00:32:42
So don't be looking at me like that.
00:32:44
Anthony Laffer he has. Choices.
00:32:46
He has choices. Yeah, can you tell me that when
00:32:51
you go to sleep you have full control of your dreams?
00:32:56
Hey, my wife watches this. You trying to?
00:32:59
Trap me. Wait, both of y'all?
00:33:01
Both of y'all started talking at the same time and I didn't hear
00:33:04
nothing. But first of all, Anthony's
00:33:07
sitting next to his wife and my wife watching it might actually
00:33:10
listen to this podcast. You ain't catching me in in no
00:33:13
in no damn trap. You trying to trap a
00:33:14
motherfucker. No, I'm not doing it.
00:33:17
I'm just saying. What you could go to sleep and
00:33:19
dream that you walk off a Cliff. You can't you, you might be
00:33:22
sitting there watching yourself walk and be like, OK, this is
00:33:25
not a good idea. I think.
00:33:27
Wait. Wait, wait, but.
00:33:28
If that's the way you. Go.
00:33:30
No, let's wait. Let's bring us back.
00:33:32
Let's bring us back to the show. We in we in the sewers, not in
00:33:36
the apartment. Let's bring it back to the show.
00:33:39
In the show, these people have control over their dreams, OK?
00:33:45
I believe in that. He he has options.
00:33:48
He has. Right, he's the Dragon Reborn so
00:33:52
he should be able to give up a fight some in the dream.
00:33:57
I've never once heard him talk about his.
00:34:02
Girlfriend, yeah, I mean, in the book he's not an expert in the
00:34:05
dream world, but he's shown enough is not going to be messed
00:34:08
with in the dream world. That's all I'm saying.
00:34:11
I'm just. Saying I'm just but I'm.
00:34:13
Enjoying both worlds, Anthony and I.
00:34:16
Also discussed the fact that this is the dragon reborn and he
00:34:19
don't know how to half do shit so.
00:34:23
No, he doesn't. He really doesn't.
00:34:25
You know, I, I didn't say we had to give him a a yard.
00:34:28
I, I said just a little inch that, you know, laugh.
00:34:32
Laffy is getting in there. She's she's trying to manipulate
00:34:35
the situation. Right.
00:34:36
And he's caught up and I get, I do give him a yardstick because
00:34:41
he is caught up. He's having feelings that he he
00:34:46
can't quite explain because it's feelings from the past and the
00:34:51
current feelings. And he Gwain actually don't
00:34:54
really care about him. He know that so and this woman
00:34:59
is like you're my heart, you're my soul the.
00:35:02
Thing The thing is, it's like right?
00:35:05
What? Do.
00:35:06
You do? Yeah.
00:35:06
What do you? Do with that anything is wrong.
00:35:08
He's kind of him because he kind of has known for a while that
00:35:13
Gwen isn't really interesting. She told him that when they were
00:35:17
before they even left the Two rivers now, so she made it very
00:35:21
clear he. Kind of knows that, yeah.
00:35:24
It's just hard that who you cheating?
00:35:26
We is the same one why Gwen is sleeping is about killing her.
00:35:31
So, you know, it's kind of hard to digest.
00:35:33
Yeah. And his and his feelings is
00:35:35
loose there until Amount is wrapped up in his feelings for
00:35:38
her. Too.
00:35:38
And I think he, Gwen, would have been all right if it was like
00:35:40
another woman anyway. Not laying feet, but not the
00:35:46
person who is literally killing you every night that you escaped
00:35:49
taking your. Your greatest nightmare and and
00:35:53
disguising herself as this person and then torturing you.
00:35:57
But again. Over and over, she's doing.
00:36:00
She knows what she's doing. She but oh, that's a whole,
00:36:04
that's a whole other conversation, 'cause I think
00:36:06
there's some things that happened that Mike has not seen
00:36:09
yet, so we're not going to go into.
00:36:12
I can't wait to talk about episode 6.
00:36:13
When we talk about episode 6, I'm I'm, I'm going in.
00:36:16
But my thing is this Rand being the Dragon Reborn and the way
00:36:25
that he's acting is worrisome to me.
00:36:28
It's like this stuff that happens where I'm just like, I
00:36:32
look, I'm looking at Rand. I'm like, you know what?
00:36:35
I you, you need you. You need something.
00:36:40
You need you need Jesus, a shock caller.
00:36:42
You have no idea. I watched episode 6, I have some
00:36:48
idea. Episode 6 pissed me the fuck
00:36:50
off. I was.
00:36:51
I was mad as hell. It's like that.
00:36:53
I was, I was mad at hell, a couple people, but I mean, also
00:36:57
OK, Yeah, but it's like Rand, I see I told you I tried.
00:37:02
I tried to be in his corner. I actually turned the corner and
00:37:06
said I like said I was I was on. I was on team ran.
00:37:09
I said I was I'm good. I'm on team ran now.
00:37:12
I'm just like, yeah. Just hold on Mike.
00:37:17
We still got. Well, they have three months.
00:37:21
How to discuss like but like. How do you feel about the
00:37:24
cancellation of the show? I'm pissed.
00:37:27
I'm so fucking upset. I'm like, really?
00:37:30
This is Shadow and Bone all fucking over again.
00:37:33
Bro. I'm I'm so fucking that mad.
00:37:36
I wish do I wish if I I want, I want to win this lottery so I
00:37:40
could just so I could start, start a channel of where I can
00:37:45
so I can get like shows that have been cancelled. $6
00:37:48
to finish this show. Here you go.
00:37:50
Exactly. Oh, you went with like 3
00:37:52
Yeah shit. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:54
And wrap it here. Wrap this up.
00:37:55
You wrap this up. You wrap this up or keep it
00:37:57
going. I don't give a fuck.
00:37:58
I need this. I need.
00:37:59
I need another see at least one more season of this fucking
00:38:01
show. But.
00:38:02
Yeah, and, and the crazy thing is, I'm not going to give
00:38:07
anything spoilery, but you pissed now, Mike, wait till you
00:38:10
finish the season and then realize that the show got
00:38:13
cancelled. You really going to be pissed?
00:38:16
However, we still got the Ring of Power.
00:38:19
You know what we're not. Having the need to chill the
00:38:23
fuck out. Well, I mean, I like the Ring of
00:38:25
Power, but I like Will of Time. More.
00:38:28
More and actually more people really do like the will of time.
00:38:33
So I'm just confused why I got cancelled.
00:38:36
I mean it had ready. Power has a contract and Will of
00:38:40
Time did not. It and it had me like invested
00:38:43
in reading all the books. I have listened to the lore, I
00:38:46
have listened to things while I was sleeping at night.
00:38:50
Yeah. Same, same.
00:38:52
He's shaking the head 'cause he know he hears it.
00:38:54
I'm like listening to back stories of everybody.
00:38:58
And you probably did some YouTube some.
00:39:01
You pause, pause and ask a question.
00:39:04
I'm sleeping, ma'am. Answer the.
00:39:08
Show. Oh my God.
00:39:11
OK, so Mike, let's talk about another one of your favorite
00:39:13
characters in the On the positive, how do you feel about
00:39:16
what's going on with Matt in the last couple episodes?
00:39:20
That's funny because this was the episode.
00:39:23
Episode 5 was the one where he fought the brothers, right?
00:39:27
He was on the boat with them and they were said they were
00:39:31
sailing. They were sailing with those
00:39:32
women who who made like the Aurora borealis.
00:39:35
Kind of thing. OK, so that was the episode
00:39:36
before, so. OK, yes.
00:39:38
Matt fighting with Elaine's brothers.
00:39:42
Did you get a kick out of that like I did?
00:39:44
Because I was sitting there, Anthony and I were talking
00:39:46
about, I think this was the episode that you missed.
00:39:49
And we were talking about just how Matt, like, really hadn't
00:39:54
been given anything to do. And it was just kind of, OK,
00:39:57
what are you guys going to do with this character?
00:39:59
You gave him a great kind of, you know, climax in the first
00:40:04
season and then you kind of put him back.
00:40:06
To where he was and then this fight happens and I rewatched
00:40:10
the fight the other day and it's so funny because he's sitting
00:40:13
there he was like 2 marks a piece and nine he was like oh
00:40:16
Lord, here we go. And as soon as he started
00:40:19
speaking the whole tongue I said oh this is about to get
00:40:21
interesting. Then you had that fight and I
00:40:24
was just. You know what, to your point, it
00:40:28
really seems like Matt's bored as fucking this this season so
00:40:31
far. It's like it seems like he he's
00:40:33
sitting there, he's getting his pictures, he's getting he's
00:40:36
getting his picture drawn with the horn.
00:40:37
He gives he gives the horn to Swan and it's like now he's just
00:40:42
like he see his idle hands of the devil's workshop.
00:40:46
That's what it is. So you need to give Matt
00:40:48
something to do or he's going to fuck shit up.
00:40:50
It's like he like like he was on the boat.
00:40:51
He was like, I'm going up to I'm going up to the day.
00:40:53
He's like, no, they told us to stay down here.
00:40:55
Now I'm going up to the fucking deck.
00:40:56
He's like he he's like with men. He's like but I'm.
00:40:59
Sorry, if I was in a cabin when I need throwing up all over the
00:41:03
place I would take my chances up on deck.
00:41:05
No, I trust me. I don't blame him.
00:41:06
Like 990, you suck. I need to if she'll hurry up and
00:41:11
do something. I swear to with this.
00:41:15
This has been the theme. This has been the theme since
00:41:17
last season. It's like, if that's what we've
00:41:19
been saying, we're like, if you don't hurry up and do something
00:41:23
except for throw up and walk around pouting and mournful and
00:41:28
we're say I don't like, I don't like these powers like a
00:41:31
powerful. She's the most powerful
00:41:33
Chandler. And in the last 1000 years.
00:41:36
Look, I'm glad. I'm glad I see it.
00:41:39
Can I see it right? Yeah.
00:41:42
If you do something. Can she feel it?
00:41:46
Can we do some? I mean, she, I would, I want her
00:41:48
to do something when they were like like doing the doing the
00:41:51
weaves on on the boat, like I'm doing the Aurora borealis thing.
00:41:54
I was like, I wanted something to happen.
00:41:56
Then like just even if they did like some of the weaves just
00:41:59
magically came to her and wrapped around her or some shit
00:42:02
and they're like, Oh, that's never happened before.
00:42:04
She would have been doing something, but she's still like
00:42:06
doing that, but throwing up and pouting.
00:42:08
I'm like if you don't get your ass.
00:42:12
But I think that time on the boat helps her because it gave
00:42:16
her a way to see that you don't only have to channel the way the
00:42:19
acid, I tell you, you have to channel.
00:42:22
So hopefully something good will come of that because yeah, it's
00:42:26
like watching paint dry, like, OK, is it going to change color
00:42:32
today? No, it's not going to change
00:42:33
color. It's going to do something
00:42:35
today. No, it's.
00:42:36
She's still the most powerful channeler we've seen in 1000.
00:42:40
I don't have alcohol, might pass that through the screen because
00:42:48
yeah, I, like I said, I don't see it.
00:42:51
But yeah, I, Anthony and I actually recorded just a little
00:42:56
something when we heard about the cancellation.
00:42:58
And then of course I went out of town.
00:42:59
So I'm still going to post it, but that I think I can't
00:43:04
remember maybe with Shadow and Bold, but I can't remember the
00:43:09
last time I was that distraught over a show cancelling because I
00:43:13
sent Anthony. There was the Wheel of Time.
00:43:16
There's a fan club and they have actually started a petition to
00:43:21
try to get the show saved or shopped around.
00:43:24
And I sent the link to Anthony and he was like, you're really
00:43:28
taking this hard off issue. And I was like, yes, absolutely.
00:43:32
Because you know, there's a lot, there's a lot of stuff on TV
00:43:36
right now. We talk about it.
00:43:37
This is like the golden age to be a geek because all of our
00:43:41
stuff is on TV. We're seeing it manifested in
00:43:45
film and TV and this and that. But I don't know, something
00:43:50
about the Wheel of Time just hit different one, because you have
00:43:54
all the diversity and two, because it's woman LED and you
00:43:58
don't get a lot of that in, in any type of media right now.
00:44:03
So it's, it's almost like it was just a like just a, a repeated
00:44:09
stab of the heart. But I mean, I've, I've seen
00:44:12
they've been, they're trying to, they're trying to see what they
00:44:16
can do. The fans have collected.
00:44:19
I think the last time I saw the petition, it was like maybe
00:44:22
120 signatures, which I'm like, OK, y'all, we can do more
00:44:26
than 120. But they have taken up
00:44:29
billboards around the Amazon headquarters and they've they've
00:44:33
done billboards on the highways and Shura Agdashlu actually
00:44:39
reposted the the petition. She was like, you know, yeah,
00:44:44
the story is over, but there's still more to come.
00:44:46
We need to say, you know, we we need to have another turning of
00:44:50
the wheel. So I'm hoping they can find
00:44:53
another home for it. But it it's kind of like, I
00:44:58
think Anthony and I discussed it.
00:45:00
If Amazon don't have the money to to do this, then who does?
00:45:04
They do have the money. Amazon got the money.
00:45:07
They got the money. They don't spend it.
00:45:09
OK, that if Amazon doesn't want to spend it with me, but I mean,
00:45:14
I'm, I'm like you, Mike. I'm sitting there looking at the
00:45:17
Mega Millions, but I'm like, oh, Mega Millions is at 398
00:45:21
right now. So if I win, at least 40% of
00:45:25
that is going to go to Uncle Sam and then I can kind of figure
00:45:28
out the rest. Like I can help them do this if
00:45:31
they really need to do this. I and I I really, I really do
00:45:37
feel passionate about I I really especially because those last
00:45:43
two episodes when you see them, like you gonna be like, wow,
00:45:50
wow. And then like, like I said, we
00:45:53
literally had just finished watching it.
00:45:57
And then like, maybe it, I don't know, a week, a couple of weeks
00:46:00
after the show, the season ended.
00:46:04
That's when we got the notice. And I remember I was sitting at
00:46:07
work and I was just cussing at my desk.
00:46:09
I was like, oh, I'm so glad nobody is here.
00:46:13
I was mad, mad, but let's see. Oh wait, OK so tell me where you
00:46:27
are because I I can't remember because I haven't rewatched
00:46:30
episode 6 yet. Tell me where you are in regards
00:46:33
to Dane and Child Balda and. And camp that's episode 5.
00:46:41
Yep, I'm glad they got with it. I'm glad they got what they got
00:46:43
because because they killed mother and killed the mother.
00:46:46
I'm like and and shout to her for standing up for that whole
00:46:50
thing in two rivers pissed me off like fucking the way they
00:46:53
did a line Elena like Elena and and her what what's the.
00:46:58
Alana and Maxim. Alana and Maxim, like had been.
00:47:02
I was. I was like, am I crying?
00:47:03
I think I'm crying like. Listen, I was about to riot when
00:47:06
I thought Alana was about to die.
00:47:08
I was like, oh, I literally sat up in my seat.
00:47:11
I was like, yeah, I better fix this because what we're not
00:47:14
going to do? Like y'all ain't gonna, y'all
00:47:16
not gonna execute her in the middle.
00:47:18
It y'all ain't gonna gonna like circle shoot her like that.
00:47:21
Like no, like no man, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:47:24
And I'm glad. I'm glad Maxim.
00:47:26
Maxim came back and regulated a little bit.
00:47:28
But it's like, I felt so bad because like, both of them were
00:47:32
suffering. It's like she like broke off her
00:47:34
bond and they put the bond back. Then it's like, I'm like, oh
00:47:38
God. Yeah, I didn't get it.
00:47:41
Together it broke my heart and. I guess it don't matter now
00:47:46
since we ain't getting another season, I know.
00:47:49
Yeah, I because. They literally Alana had become
00:47:53
one of my favorite characters. Like top tier?
00:47:57
Real. Characters so.
00:47:59
Yeah, she's yeah, I love her and and she shout to fail and
00:48:03
parent. I'm like what's up with yeah
00:48:06
like like I I watched episode 6 so I know what's up.
00:48:09
I know what I know what's going to be up, but I was like seeing
00:48:11
them together. I was like, OK, and then seeing
00:48:14
the the fucking dream world that when when she went through the
00:48:17
dream world and saw and saw him like saw him like doing his
00:48:21
black. Thing happy with Payel, Yeah.
00:48:23
I was like, oh. I'm yeah, I'm.
00:48:27
I'm not mad at it. I'm like, OK, I can, I actually
00:48:29
actually really like that. It's like, and then like and the
00:48:34
the the said the dust sisters, like when she said he said I'm
00:48:38
going. They're like she's coming.
00:48:41
Yeah. Yeah, I was like, yeah, OK,
00:48:45
alright. I like, I like this.
00:48:46
I was, I was really good. Yeah.
00:48:50
I want to talk about Elida. Yeah.
00:48:52
How about I I we've been loving looking at her like she she's
00:48:57
got to be she's got to be part of the blackout.
00:48:59
Like she's got this something fucked up with her and her ass
00:49:03
goes and try and it gets and gets jacked up by the great by
00:49:07
the great guy and it's like and and she's laying there and
00:49:10
salon's above her. Like I think we've misjudged
00:49:13
your sister. I was like, it was like, I was,
00:49:19
I was like, she probably wanted to be like.
00:49:21
Bitch, heal me. She's like, you know, I was
00:49:27
trying to think of who to compare it to.
00:49:29
She's like the Dolores Umbridge of, of, of the show, because
00:49:34
Dolores Umbridge, for all her evil and all that other stuff,
00:49:38
she wasn't a Slytherin and she wasn't a Death Eater.
00:49:42
She was just a nasty piece of work.
00:49:45
And so, you know, I'm, I'm Elida.
00:49:49
Elida, she was not playing, you know, I was like, she she was
00:49:52
like fucking like the way, the way she did that one black guy
00:49:56
like twisted her up then like then broke her neck.
00:49:59
I was like, oh shit, she like she was pretty.
00:50:04
What the fuck is wrong that that whole court this making me about
00:50:09
what's her name Evelyn like what's up?
00:50:13
Like her mother and her whole court with Gabriel being a
00:50:16
fucking dark friend and. Oh, Elaine.
00:50:19
Elaine like Elaine like, what the fuck is up with that?
00:50:24
Well, I mean. Like like like.
00:50:27
Like. Fucked up.
00:50:29
Raven because you're talking about the stepdad, right?
00:50:34
Yeah. No, he's a cortisone.
00:50:36
He's a he was a cortisone, Yeah. Yeah, he just kind of snuck his
00:50:41
way and it was like, oh, let me alter your memory here.
00:50:44
Let me alter your memory there. Let me alter this memory.
00:50:49
But I mean, that would explain, not that, you know, when we go
00:50:52
back and think about it, that would explain why Leon Leona
00:50:58
couldn't remember his name when he first walked in because he
00:51:03
hadn't had a chance to influence that room yet.
00:51:06
And she was just looking like, Oh, yes, you guy, I'm so sorry,
00:51:13
I forgot your name. And then once we realized who he
00:51:16
is, it's like, oh, no, he was a little late to the party putting
00:51:20
putting that into everyone. But also because they are the
00:51:24
the Isodai. Maybe it just took a little bit
00:51:28
longer for his. No, no, OK.
00:51:31
No, no, OK, He just needed a moment because it's a whole
00:51:34
bunch of them. Yeah, yeah.
00:51:38
And then that moment, shout, shout to, to, to lean.
00:51:42
Leanne Leanne Leanne proving that she's a for once again
00:51:46
proven that she's a she's a well dressed badass.
00:51:50
Well dressed badass. I was like, yes, fiercely got.
00:51:54
I I need her wardrobe like. Yeah.
00:51:57
She kills it all the time. Need her powers and her
00:52:00
confidence. Like she is like, yeah, I like,
00:52:04
I really like her character. Like like, like more and more.
00:52:08
Every time I see her on screen she's just like, I'm just like
00:52:11
Yep. Yeah.
00:52:13
OK. So before we move on from Will
00:52:15
of time, how you feeling about Leandra?
00:52:18
Fuck that bitch. I'm done.
00:52:21
Because like, I'm like, I'm I'm tired of trying.
00:52:25
You know what it is? I'm tired of trying to figure
00:52:27
out if she figure out what the fuck she's doing.
00:52:30
It's like she's doing something that she seems like she's trying
00:52:33
to help somebody. Then she's doing something where
00:52:35
she's only trying to help herself.
00:52:36
Then she's doing something where she's like, OK, I'm helping.
00:52:39
I'm helping the forsaken. They all.
00:52:41
I'm kind of going behind her back and doing this shit.
00:52:44
Then it's like, Oh well, now I'm doing this shit for myself.
00:52:47
Then it's like, oh, I'm only, I'm only land fear.
00:52:50
I'm only, I'm only before you. Then then she's like, OK, fine,
00:52:54
OK, find this shit so we can do this and this and this and I'm
00:52:56
just like, I'm tired of trying to figure out she's she's
00:52:59
exhausting. She is fucking exhausting to
00:53:02
figure to think about. I'm like what?
00:53:04
Like, see, it's just like everyone else in here.
00:53:07
It's just like, I can't really think about Moraine that long
00:53:10
before getting a headache. I'm like, what are you doing
00:53:13
now? Yeah, 'cause you're.
00:53:13
Still trying to figure out like, OK, we know for the most part
00:53:17
what your your motivations are, but it's kind of like you still
00:53:20
wonder, OK, so where are you in this?
00:53:26
Even though I think it's kind of plain now that she basically is
00:53:31
like, OK, I'm here for the dragon.
00:53:33
I don't care what that means. I don't care who I have to hurt.
00:53:36
I don't care who I have to betray.
00:53:37
The dragon is the priority. Like Lorraine is one of those
00:53:41
people. She is singular focused.
00:53:43
If it ain't got something to do with the dragon, she's like, OK,
00:53:46
that's that's over to the side. I deal with that later.
00:53:49
You know, even in the first episode when she knew that
00:53:53
something was about to go down in the tower and Lamb was like,
00:53:56
she'll be OK. She was like this day is not
00:53:58
about her and turned around and. Walked.
00:54:00
It was like, oh. OK, Lorraine is a cold piece of
00:54:04
work. She can be.
00:54:07
OK, let's see. I don't think there's too much
00:54:12
else we need to say about Wheel of Time now, because we do still
00:54:15
need to record episode 6-7 and eight.
00:54:17
And I think since all of us now are, we're, we're pretty
00:54:21
stationary for the next couple of weeks, right?
00:54:23
At least we're, we're not going anywhere.
00:54:26
So I think we can get those recorded and put out our our
00:54:32
very vocal Wheel of Time follower.
00:54:35
I put a message out to him. I was like, hey, we're going to
00:54:38
take a pause. We're waiting for Mike to come
00:54:40
back. And then we're going to do, he's
00:54:41
like, OK, I can't wait for you guys to come back.
00:54:44
So we've got people waiting for us.
00:54:46
So we'll do episode 6-7 and eight within the next couple
00:54:50
weeks. But let's move on to The Last of
00:54:55
Us. Mike, how are you feeling?
00:54:59
OK, here's the thing. I, I had to look back because I
00:55:03
was like, like, I think I only recorded episode one with you
00:55:06
guys, if that. I don't think you did any of the
00:55:14
episodes for this season. Not.
00:55:17
For this season. Yeah, not for this season, OK.
00:55:21
I think we may have chatted about it.
00:55:24
OK, All right, so this show plays with mine, plays with your
00:55:30
emotions so hard. And episode fucking 2, holy
00:55:41
shit. Like I was watching it and I'm
00:55:43
like, 'cause and I, I hadn't been spoiled.
00:55:45
I haven't been spoiled yet. I was lost.
00:55:47
Fortunate that I hadn't been spoiled about anything.
00:55:50
Like not, not even what happened.
00:55:53
No, I think it's spoiled. What?
00:55:55
Nothing. Not even from the game.
00:55:58
No, I didn't. No, not even because I haven't
00:56:02
played the game. I haven't either, but I knew
00:56:05
what was going to happen. I well, yeah, because it's like
00:56:09
that's all anybody would talk about.
00:56:12
I I knew, I knew, I knew about what about, about, about her,
00:56:16
but I didn't know like how it was like how it was going to
00:56:20
happen and like the first episode and I was like, oh,
00:56:24
she's going after fucking Joe. OK, so that like that's probably
00:56:28
going to be a season fan. I was like, I literally said,
00:56:30
oh, that's probably going to be towards the end of the season,
00:56:33
very next motherfucking episode. I was like what the fuck man?
00:56:39
And you're dealing with with an attack on top of all that.
00:56:43
Yeah, like a that shit was that shit was scary as fuck, Like and
00:56:47
and ally's ally's ass. See, this is what you get for
00:56:50
get for trying. See, hate, hate just fucks,
00:56:54
fucks everything up. She's over there trying to like
00:56:57
like looking, looking at Joel and shit and rolls down the hill
00:57:00
and wakes up fuck wakes up all the fucking undead like sleeping
00:57:04
under like how about like the undead just like pound just like
00:57:08
making making a making a zombie a zombie duvet out of their
00:57:12
dead. Like damn, like OK, that's
00:57:14
creative as fuck, but I but that shit was scared.
00:57:18
Like the whole thing was like like the them, them, the way the
00:57:23
way that they ran and hit the wall when they were attacking
00:57:27
the city, Jack attacking Jackson Hole, like just like slamming
00:57:31
the fucking. I'm like whoever y'all hired to
00:57:33
do that part earn their fucking money that day 'cause they hit
00:57:37
that motherfucker hard as hell. And then the fucking the fucking
00:57:45
but big ass, big ass motherfucker chasing Tommy.
00:57:47
I was like, y'all that I was like.
00:57:50
That bloater. Not the bloater bloater chasing
00:57:52
Tommy and into a fucking alley. I'm like no, the fuck they're
00:57:56
not. I was like no, no no they ain't.
00:57:58
They can't be. And I was like OK, good, we just
00:58:01
haven't roasted mushrooms. Cool.
00:58:03
But then they go. I don't want them kind of
00:58:08
mushrooms. But it's like that whole thing,
00:58:12
then it's like, so I watch it and I'm like this fucking
00:58:14
heartbreaking. And I'm like, I love, I love
00:58:19
Joel who's like fucking he's Joel to the end where she's
00:58:22
monologuing. He's like, will you shut the
00:58:24
fuck up and get on with it? I was like, I see out like AG.
00:58:29
He's like, fine, you don't do it.
00:58:30
Do it. I was like, I'm not getting out
00:58:32
of this apparently because you already shot my fucking kneecaps
00:58:34
out. So I'm so Needless to say I'm
00:58:36
not walking away from this. Hurry the fuck up.
00:58:42
And and it's like, and also after I watched it and was
00:58:46
fucking heartbroken with fucking Ellie curled up and curled up
00:58:50
against his, his dead body like Oh my God.
00:58:54
And then see him watching them drag the body back.
00:58:57
And I'm like, and then also I'm like, OK, so I watched, I
00:59:02
watched some reactions online from people who watched people
00:59:07
who actually played the game, who knew what was happening.
00:59:10
And they had their reaction was like, they're doing that now,
00:59:14
like like this, like the I. Think we all had that feeling?
00:59:17
Yeah. Like what I think like people,
00:59:20
yeah, people who knew like people who knew like I watched
00:59:23
their react. They were, they were, they were
00:59:25
shook. They were like I where y'all
00:59:27
gonna go from here? Like this is like.
00:59:30
So I so after that, I like, I I love Luther.
00:59:37
I love Luther Wright's like little temporary part in this.
00:59:40
I thought I thought he was really good in his episode.
00:59:45
Oh. Yeah, the leader of.
00:59:47
Right. Yeah.
00:59:48
Jeffrey Wright, Luther. Goddammit Jeffrey Wright.
00:59:51
Yeah. He did play Martin Luther King
00:59:53
with. Yeah, yeah, he did.
00:59:55
He did. He did.
00:59:56
I was like, I love him in this. I I can't wait.
00:59:59
I'm sure he's probably going to be more in it next, next and
01:00:03
then the next season. Yeah, 'cause the next season is
01:00:06
focusing on Abby. Right.
01:00:09
So I, I love that I, I really liked Abby and I like Dina and
01:00:16
Ellie together. They because they're, they're
01:00:21
just, I mean, they're just kids. I'm like, OK, they're, they're
01:00:23
just kidding that. I mean, I love their
01:00:25
interactions. Yeah, but they did get a little,
01:00:29
as Anthony said, they got a little 2 CW.
01:00:33
A little too skinny Max. What you talking about?
01:00:38
That's, that's skinny Max. Shit.
01:00:40
I was like, oh, there go oh, oh, oh, OK.
01:00:43
I, I, I mean, we, we, we all knew it's gonna fucking happen.
01:00:48
It's like, it's not like we didn't know it's gonna happen.
01:00:51
And fucking Abby, Abby playing that fucking guitar.
01:00:53
Like, first of all, how did you find, how did that?
01:00:55
How did that guitar stay whole? Ellie.
01:00:58
Ellie how? Ellie.
01:01:00
Ellie. How did Ellie find a whole
01:01:01
guitar that didn't have any? That the strings were intact?
01:01:05
Like that must have been a hell of a fucking case because that
01:01:07
thing had been there for like years.
01:01:10
Decades that. That tuning at all, I mean
01:01:13
tuned. It a little.
01:01:15
Bit but. Yeah, and remember in in season
01:01:18
1, Ellie Ellie's guitar was sitting in the court, was
01:01:21
sitting in the corner. And he's like, Oh, yes, you're
01:01:23
you're, you're, you're I'm strings afraid.
01:01:26
And then I was like, Dusty, It's like that.
01:01:29
That must be a man. I feel like, I feel like Joe
01:01:32
Pesci in My Cousin Vinny. What was this?
01:01:36
Was this a magic guitar case? Did you get it from the same
01:01:39
place Jack got his Beanstalk beans?
01:01:44
But I was like, damn. But this like that part, I was
01:01:46
like, see, that's like, damn, that's a good part.
01:01:52
What do you think about the stalkers?
01:01:56
No, no, no, like the first one, like the one one episode 1, the
01:02:03
little little baby one. No man, like the way she was
01:02:09
looking. They just came into that look
01:02:11
like and then like sneaking around like no, no, no, no.
01:02:17
The part that that was like weird but beautiful to me was
01:02:24
the part where she found Noel in the, in the quarantines in the,
01:02:28
the, the part where there was airborne, where, where the,
01:02:32
where the sports were airborne, like in episode 26, like, and
01:02:36
they were sitting there and like everybody who was in there had
01:02:39
already gotten infected and they were just like breathing spores.
01:02:44
Like that scene was just like oddly beautiful to me.
01:02:49
Agree. Yeah.
01:02:51
Like I was just like, I was mystified.
01:02:53
I was just like, dude, like I don't know why, but that's
01:02:57
fucking Gord that that was that was a beautiful, that was very
01:03:00
well done. And then you see you see Ellie
01:03:05
beating the fuck out of her ass, even though she's it's like, OK,
01:03:09
back to OK back to reality. He had.
01:03:11
It coming? Yep.
01:03:15
I mean, yeah, I, I, I didn't feel that bad, but that damn.
01:03:19
See go. Ahead.
01:03:21
What you say, Michelle? No.
01:03:23
And then I'm on the side thinking the science of it all
01:03:26
say, OK, so in Seattle they have the airborne is because it's a
01:03:31
more of a moisture in the air. Like I was trying to make sense
01:03:34
of it all. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but
01:03:38
I'm just making sense of it all. Yeah, I.
01:03:40
Mean. You know me, I'm like, I want
01:03:41
someone to explain that. Sounds about right to me.
01:03:44
Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. 'Cause they were, they were near
01:03:50
ocean, right? They were near the ocean because
01:03:53
they had the, they had the boats and everything on the water.
01:03:59
So yeah, they had to be close to the ocean.
01:04:01
So yeah, that's, I mean. I don't know.
01:04:04
It means a lot in Seattle. I have no idea.
01:04:06
I just, I thought it was cool. It was, but I think they tried
01:04:10
to explain to us by telling us that that was the first place
01:04:13
they took the infected. So those would that would have
01:04:16
been like the oldest. Ground Zero that.
01:04:19
Was yeah, that was like the oldest place where they were
01:04:23
and. Then it evolved.
01:04:25
It just evolved. That's the next step in
01:04:26
evolution, yeah. That's scary, though.
01:04:30
That damn. But that damn season, that
01:04:32
finale, Holy fuck, dude. First of all, how Ellie.
01:04:38
Ellie's a sea captain now? How the fuck did she not drown?
01:04:41
She should've. She should've.
01:04:42
Did I? Not say.
01:04:44
Did I not say this? Like who is she, Captain Jack?
01:04:49
Is she Captain Jack fucking Sparrow now?
01:04:51
Like fucking going, going across, going across choppy,
01:04:54
going across the stormy waters in the fucking dinghy and
01:04:57
surviving. Not once, but twice not.
01:05:01
Once, but twice. Yeah, twice.
01:05:03
Yeah. I was kind of like.
01:05:04
So where exactly did she learn how to steer a boat in Jackson
01:05:09
Hole? Yeah, like, I mean, she, she
01:05:15
definitely didn't learn in Boston.
01:05:16
Definitely didn't, no. No.
01:05:21
And I don't know if I feel like that's something that Joel would
01:05:24
have been able to do, because why would he?
01:05:28
Yeah, I feel I feel sorry for was name Jimmy.
01:05:33
Don't say it, don't say it. Don't say it.
01:05:34
Don't say it, don't say it. Jimmy.
01:05:37
Yeah, Jesse. Jesse.
01:05:41
Well first of all like you got all the way to them how you just
01:05:49
hear noise like can you sneak and like look that's why your
01:05:54
ass got shot soon as you walk through the door.
01:05:57
I mean had some common sense. Did he not learn anything?
01:06:01
Have have we? Did we not just finish talking
01:06:04
about this, Discussing The Walking Dead?
01:06:06
Can we not just talk about this? How people?
01:06:08
But his adrenaline, maybe it was his adrenaline but still like
01:06:12
you know better and then you tall, you are easy target.
01:06:19
Again, stretch. Yeah, bend down a little bit.
01:06:21
Like bend your back like around corners and shit.
01:06:24
Push the door open. Yeah, 'cause if Ellie would have
01:06:27
been first, she probably wouldn't have shot.
01:06:29
Ellie probably would have hit like maybe just above her head
01:06:32
'cause she probably was expecting grown men or grown-ups
01:06:37
to come. Because you're not going to
01:06:38
think that this, that this guy, I know you're thinking that, oh,
01:06:42
he killed all my friends. So you know he's dangerous.
01:06:44
You're not thinking that he's there with kids, right?
01:06:47
So you going to aim higher because you're smart.
01:06:51
And he was smart enough to run right into it.
01:06:55
However, he he died happy. He was finding out he was having
01:07:00
a baby and he was in love with someone.
01:07:04
And now the baby ain't got no daddy because his ass went out
01:07:06
there standing straight up like a fucking telephone pole.
01:07:09
Hey, hey, hey, wait. Wait, the baby does have a dad?
01:07:11
Yeah, Ellie says she's dad. Ellie says she's going to be the
01:07:15
dad, so I had a pappy. Yeah, that the whole Jesse
01:07:22
thing, kind of. And and I'm like now, now I'm
01:07:26
now I'm worried about Tommy because Tommy got caught in
01:07:29
fucking crossfire too. I'm like God damn, like like
01:07:32
this whole. Thing I don't think we need to
01:07:34
worry about Tommy because like I tell Anthony, I think Dina got a
01:07:39
shot off because Dina is upstairs asleep, remember?
01:07:45
So she would have heard the first gunshot, probably limped
01:07:49
her way over to the balcony because Dana is the smart one
01:07:52
out of all of them. Dana knows, OK, if I heard a
01:07:55
gunshot, that means there's somebody here that's not
01:07:58
friendly. Let me try and ease my way over
01:08:00
here and see what's going on because nobody's going to think
01:08:03
to go upstairs, you know, especially not at that point.
01:08:07
She looks over the balcony, she sees her, her dead baby daddy.
01:08:12
And then she sees her girlfriend or her best friend or her,
01:08:15
whatever they are right now right here, and this girl with
01:08:20
the ponytail has the gun on her. Dina was probably like, what we
01:08:25
not going to do, bitch? So I don't know if she killed
01:08:29
her to kill, I mean shot it to kill her, or if she shot it just
01:08:33
to incapacitate her so they could.
01:08:36
Why we keep having this conversation?
01:08:38
Hanukkah you don't see. None of them have been doing
01:08:44
what they needed to do this season, so I'm going to assume
01:08:48
that they probably just shot her to incapacitate her.
01:08:52
Maybe she's going to ask her questions, maybe she's going to
01:08:55
torture her a little bit. I don't know.
01:08:58
Doris, Doris Shire her with the intent to kill.
01:09:02
If she got wings, that's because she missed and she didn't hit
01:09:06
her cleanly. But trust me, Dora is not
01:09:09
pulling the trigger to eat. We'll see, We'll see.
01:09:12
We'll. Because think about you should
01:09:15
take incapacitate a person with a gun.
01:09:18
That means they still have the gun and they're going to return
01:09:21
a fire. She could have shot her in the
01:09:22
hand, knocked the gun out of hand.
01:09:24
Oh my God, I'm. Just I'm just saying I've seen,
01:09:27
I've seen stranger things happen.
01:09:30
We have. So you can.
01:09:32
Get we watch the. Walking Dead.
01:09:34
So yeah. So clearly that doesn't mean
01:09:38
that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't.
01:09:41
Possible beat shotgun every time.
01:09:43
Right. First of all, nothing's going to
01:09:45
happen to Tommy, Nothing 'cause we will have a riot if Tommy
01:09:49
dies, yeah. You can't take you.
01:09:52
You look, you already took the war.
01:09:54
Brother can't take the. Come on.
01:09:57
We're not having that. No Oh, and that that scene
01:10:02
between Ellie and Mel where she's like when she when she's
01:10:07
like just just cut think my baby just to Els like this fucking
01:10:13
show. Yeah.
01:10:15
Fucking show. I'm like.
01:10:19
And at first I'm like, why she not doing it?
01:10:21
Come on now you can do this. And then I'm like, what the hell
01:10:25
you going to do with a baby? If she.
01:10:29
Doesn't cut the right way. But if she did make.
01:10:32
It go die anyway. What you going to do with a
01:10:35
newborn barely was you barely got onto the island yourself and
01:10:40
almost died and then go to like go to a target and find some
01:10:51
infamil like what are we doing? Yeah, because because that
01:10:56
that's one brave baby that will not be breastfed.
01:10:58
I was. Going to say she have to turn
01:11:00
into a mommy real quick. That doesn't work that way, No.
01:11:04
And you know, and you got to be quiet.
01:11:09
Not with a newborn. Not with a premature newborn at
01:11:13
that. I.
01:11:14
Think Anthony, what was what was it that you said you was like?
01:11:17
I don't have enough faith in Tommy and Jesse to raise I.
01:11:23
Don't. I did not.
01:11:24
I agree. I I I have to agree with that.
01:11:29
The fucking seraphytes, holy shit them motherfuckers are
01:11:32
scarier than the fucking wolves. Like God.
01:11:35
Damn, they are. Yeah, the first the first time
01:11:38
when they when they had like strung up the strung strung the
01:11:41
guys up in the gym and and had to gut and cut their guts and
01:11:45
had their guts coming. I'm like, I don't like this.
01:11:49
And then the the bet, the thing that messed movie is because
01:11:52
before when they showed the Sarah fights, they showed them
01:11:55
walking and try to make you feel sorry for him, try to make it
01:11:58
seem like they were like like they were just helpless.
01:12:01
They were just they were just ruining like they're Mormons and
01:12:04
shit like like they're fucking this just walking religious
01:12:07
nomads, not bothering nobody, just like even though they had
01:12:11
like Joker smiles cutting their face, they don't pay attention
01:12:13
to that. They're they're they're
01:12:14
harmless. They're harmless.
01:12:15
It's fine. It's like, no.
01:12:19
Yeah, you will hear when you go back and listen to our episodes.
01:12:23
I I mentioned you quite a bit when we talked about the Sarah
01:12:26
fights because I was like, I can hear Mike in my mind now like
01:12:30
this fucking show is, is is misleading us.
01:12:32
We don't know who to trust you. You show us the people who look
01:12:35
like they're nice and they probably the most deadly people
01:12:39
on the doggone island. Like right, like you call Ellie
01:12:44
and you just automatically strung her up and yo, the the
01:12:47
child is like. Yeah, The thing is like, it's
01:12:52
like the wolves are afraid of them.
01:12:53
The wolves are are the ones with the armored, with the armored
01:12:56
tank, armored vehicles and guns and shit.
01:12:59
And they scared of them and they scared of them in fear.
01:13:04
They won't even go into the fucking park because they're in
01:13:06
the fucking park. Yeah, think about.
01:13:08
It they went into the park, you know what?
01:13:11
They're good. Yeah.
01:13:12
We're not going in there, exactly.
01:13:20
Bro I'm so sad it's like. I mean, think about that.
01:13:23
It's like people who are armed to the fucking teeth could.
01:13:28
I mean, and they could basically, they could go into
01:13:30
the into the park and form a line and mow them down, but
01:13:35
they're not going to because they're scared as fucking the
01:13:37
motherfucker. They're like, fuck that shit.
01:13:39
They can have. You might be mowing them down
01:13:41
and you gonna have the little ones behind you.
01:13:44
Shank, Shank, Shank, Shank. Yeah, yeah, behind, behind you
01:13:48
cutting your damn Achilles and shit like like in pet cemetery,
01:13:51
like. Yeah, no.
01:13:54
But did you? But yeah, it's like I was, I was
01:13:56
watching. I was like, no, this is some
01:13:58
Children of the Corn bullshit I ain't fucking with.
01:14:00
None of these motherfuckers did. You make that reference to
01:14:03
Anthony. It is, but that's what it is.
01:14:08
I'm like Nah man, Nah Nah Nah but y'all can have you.
01:14:13
Feel about the flashback episode messing.
01:14:19
Glad to see your bottom lip tremble.
01:14:23
Fucking with my emotions it it didn't.
01:14:26
And to make it so bad, it didn't really get me until the end
01:14:29
where it's like they brought back the scene from the first
01:14:32
episode where she walked past and when he's playing the guitar
01:14:35
and she and they finally talk about it and she says I'm trying
01:14:40
to forgive you. I don't know if I can, but I'll
01:14:42
try it tomorrow. I'm like.
01:14:44
I like to try, yeah. And then he dies the next day.
01:14:50
That's not traumatic. At all Like what the fuck is
01:14:54
wrong? Yeah.
01:14:56
I was I'm shout, oh, shout, shout to them for for making
01:15:02
making transphobes look like dumb asses.
01:15:04
And I was like, OK, good. And I and he and he came back
01:15:14
next day. I'm sorry, here's some steak
01:15:16
sandwiches. I'm like, but he but he
01:15:21
actually, he came. He came in clutch though by
01:15:23
giving her a better gun, which when they were on their way I
01:15:25
was like alright cool. Yeah, they are.
01:15:28
Still, you still cry. Yeah, right, right.
01:15:32
But yeah, yeah. That, that fucking flashback
01:15:34
episode, I was just like, I was looking at.
01:15:39
I was like the IT brought me back to something that Joel said
01:15:42
in the first episode. He's like, this is new for both
01:15:45
of us because my daughter never made it to being a teenager.
01:15:47
So I don't know how to raise a teenager.
01:15:50
And her being a teenager, not having been raised by anybody,
01:15:53
it's like we're doing this like on the fly.
01:15:56
And it's like, I was like, see, that makes that actually makes
01:15:59
sense because they're they're basically doing this without a
01:16:03
manual and not knowing what the hell what the Hell's going on.
01:16:07
And they're trying to, despite everything that's happened to
01:16:11
them, that is basically a lifetime of shit that has
01:16:15
happened to them in these scant 567 years.
01:16:20
Yeah, they basically had a lifetime of shit happened to
01:16:22
him. They're still together and
01:16:24
they're still trying to be in each other's lives.
01:16:27
And it's like that. Oh, that episode.
01:16:32
Fucking shit dude. Then we had the nice little What
01:16:37
would you think about the the person who played Eugene?
01:16:45
What how is he just that once I love Joe Pantoliano, I was like,
01:16:52
that's my dude. I I really I like him and
01:16:55
anything he's he's in like he was, but fucking Joel again,
01:17:00
like fucking lying this motherfucker, don't he when it
01:17:05
comes down to it for like important shit like this, Joe
01:17:08
will lie at the drop of a hat like he don't give a fuck like
01:17:11
anything to if it comes to survival, he'll give a fuck.
01:17:16
You like you know, but I'll take him.
01:17:19
I'll take him. You know, I mean, it's like I,
01:17:28
I, and that explains, I mean, he's, I got to give credit to
01:17:34
what's her name for even trying to treat him.
01:17:39
Gay. Yeah.
01:17:41
Talk to you could get. I give her props for even
01:17:43
fucking talking, even looking at him, like even not not spitting
01:17:47
on him every time she passes him in the street.
01:17:49
I mean, but she understood. I mean, it's like it's kind of
01:17:52
the cost of doing business in a zombie apocalypse.
01:17:54
Like if you get bit, you get bit.
01:17:56
It's like you should. You could do, yeah, but don't.
01:17:58
Lie about it like yeah, yeah, I think that was no I.
01:18:03
Yeah, but I mean, this is Joe. Like I said, this is Joe.
01:18:06
Joe, Joe will allow anybody to survive like that.
01:18:10
That's that's that's been his MO.
01:18:12
It's like he's he if he's, if it, if it means you or him about
01:18:16
a lie over a lie, he'll give a fuck.
01:18:18
You don't. You don't tell that lie in a
01:18:20
heartbeat. But the problem, he didn't read
01:18:23
the room because if he hadn't looked anywhere in like he was
01:18:26
so busy avoiding Ellie's gaze because he knew what he had just
01:18:32
done that he didn't pay any attention to what was going on
01:18:37
with her. If he had turned and just looked
01:18:39
at her for a second, he would have shut his mouth because he
01:18:43
would have seen right there on her face.
01:18:45
She would have been like I wish you would.
01:18:48
I wish you would. Yeah.
01:18:51
But he didn't see it, and he did.
01:18:53
And yeah, we got to where we ended up being.
01:18:57
So yeah, yeah, this. Fucking see, this is a great
01:19:01
season, man. Yeah, more, more awards.
01:19:05
Everybody's getting all kinds of shit.
01:19:07
Like God damn. Yeah.
01:19:10
I really like I love Caitlin David Deaver in this gonna plays
01:19:14
Abby like I like. I really I I love Ellie has
01:19:21
taken I'll taking a huge step forward in this in this season.
01:19:25
I think I think this is she's she's acting way better this OK,
01:19:30
like she's doing way better in this episode and that was like
01:19:33
it since I'm since I'm catching up with Game of Thrones, I found
01:19:38
are. You still doing that?
01:19:40
Yeah, we're on. We're on season.
01:19:42
We're right after after Joffrey gets his and I cheer.
01:19:46
I'm I'm still celebrating that so.
01:19:48
Oh yeah, that was a great episode.
01:19:50
Even though I'm mad, I'm mad they're trying to frame my man
01:19:53
Tyrion for that shit. I'm like, really?
01:19:56
Motherfucker, that was gonna. Have y'all gonna leave my man
01:19:59
like that? That's my dude.
01:20:00
I like he's he's my he's probably my favorite character
01:20:03
at all out of everybody him and fucking what's his name?
01:20:09
But anyway, so it's like. I've been seeing seeing like
01:20:12
little snippets of Game of Thrones and I saw her and her
01:20:15
role, thought Bella Ramsey's role in and I was like, oh.
01:20:20
No, yeah, when, when you, when you get to her, yeah, you're
01:20:24
immediately gonna be like, oh, that's my favorite character,
01:20:28
'cause she, she was only 11 when she filmed that.
01:20:31
She knocked it out of the park. Like holding her own on a screen
01:20:35
full of men. Absolutely amazing.
01:20:38
Yeah, she's really good. Thank, it's like Tyrion and Arie
01:20:42
are my favorite characters right now 'cause Arie is just getting
01:20:44
into her own with her sword. I think we're, we're getting
01:20:48
close to the point, 'cause I know a little bit, I, I, I know
01:20:52
what, I know what happens with her.
01:20:54
Like I know she's getting ready to meet the man with no face and
01:20:57
like, do it get going to like all that shit.
01:21:00
So I can't wait to get there. I can't wait to get there.
01:21:02
So, but yeah, so I, I love, I love the little parallels and I
01:21:08
and I saw Pedro Pascal in there and laugh my ass off.
01:21:12
That let me tell you. He's hilarious.
01:21:14
One of the best characters on that show, period.
01:21:21
And he was. Only on screen I think for 38
01:21:24
minutes out of that entire show. Yeah, he's, yeah, he was, he was
01:21:29
good. I like is it's just, it's such a
01:21:31
random part, just randomly. Oh, it's Pedro Pascal.
01:21:34
Like oh shit, where do you come from?
01:21:37
Oh look, Pedro Pascal died. Right.
01:21:40
Yeah, I was. Like, OK, he's he's he's trying
01:21:44
to be the Sean, the next Sean Bean.
01:21:49
There was a there was a video of his sister on the red carpet.
01:21:53
And I think somebody asked her a question about it, and she was
01:21:56
like, you know, I see these things all the time.
01:21:58
I know that it's coming. And I knew that it was coming.
01:22:01
She said, but quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing my brother die
01:22:04
on screen. So she said, you know, she knew
01:22:07
it was coming in the Last of Us. I think she said when she saw
01:22:11
it, she threw her iPad across the room.
01:22:15
She was like, no, I'm tired of seeing him die.
01:22:18
She's like, even though I know that that's not real, that's
01:22:21
still my brother that I'm looking at on the screen being
01:22:24
killed. Yeah, so.
01:22:26
Yeah, you know, I'm thinking I'm like, damn, don't do this in The
01:22:29
Mandalorian. Fuck around.
01:22:31
Don't do that to me. Don't.
01:22:33
Don't start. Don't, don't we?
01:22:35
No, no, they can't kill him. He has a movie coming out.
01:22:39
They can't kill him. Ain't going to bring him to the
01:22:42
big screen then die. No, that's not going to happen.
01:22:48
Stranger things have happened. No, we're not.
01:22:51
We're not about to have that stranger thing.
01:22:54
Let's not even talk about Stranger Things or else we're
01:22:56
going to set machine. The machine.
01:23:02
Is irked that that show is not coming on till November.
01:23:06
But I'm happy 'cause we have dates.
01:23:09
Yes, we do. Michelle has already.
01:23:11
Told me. All of her family don't look,
01:23:15
ain't doing that. Don't invite me nowhere for
01:23:16
Thanksgiving, Don't invite me nowhere for Christmas.
01:23:20
Don't invite me nowhere. For the cooking has to be done
01:23:22
before and after I am done. I don't.
01:23:29
Oh, I can't wait. I.
01:23:32
Know they, you know, they started tearing down the
01:23:35
location for Hawkins Lab. Yeah.
01:23:38
Down in midnight. I'm OK with that 'cause I get
01:23:40
closure. Yeah, not like, real.
01:23:44
Time they will be in their 40s when when it comes on but you.
01:23:50
Like seriously, like seriously. It's like, like they, they're
01:23:52
gonna be, they're gonna be retired.
01:23:53
They they, they gonna be having, having their retirement dinners
01:23:56
by the time they by the time it comes on.
01:23:58
So Erica just graduated from high school.
01:24:01
I saw that. Yeah.
01:24:02
I'm like, yeah. What's what's his name?
01:24:07
Her brother is like 30 now. Like what the like he got a full
01:24:11
beard and two kids. I'm like, what?
01:24:15
How you gonna still be in high school?
01:24:16
Like how you gonna do that? Yeah, Those, those it's like all
01:24:20
of all of them are married now. It's like what the like they
01:24:23
can't, they can't be kids anymore.
01:24:25
They could barely be high be college kids.
01:24:27
Barely. Yeah, but but we can, I mean we
01:24:32
got they look. At a beard and shit.
01:24:34
Like no, we can't do that now. We got dates, so that'll be a
01:24:39
good thing. I'm wondering if they're going
01:24:41
to do a time jump, though. That.
01:24:43
I mean, I kind of feel that they almost have to because none of
01:24:47
those kids look like kids anymore.
01:24:49
They don't even look remotely childlike, except maybe Millie.
01:24:53
Bobby Brown can still pull it off.
01:24:55
Maybe, maybe will the. Hard the hardest.
01:25:00
No, they could because the way it ended, you go back to the
01:25:03
last episode when they were on the hill, they all looked old
01:25:08
anyway. The only person that it will be
01:25:12
extremely hard is Erica. Yeah, because.
01:25:16
She was so. Young.
01:25:17
Yes, They were already older, just now looking a little bit
01:25:22
more mature. She was young, yeah, and they
01:25:27
already was pushing it with her then how they had her hair kind
01:25:31
of styled and like a little more kid.
01:25:33
You can't. She probably won't even be in in
01:25:37
in the season real. They probably could have got
01:25:38
Bianca Lawson to do it. She still looks like a teenager.
01:25:41
They're probably. They're probably gonna have her
01:25:44
have her walk out of her room and Caleb's gonna be like, what
01:25:46
the hell, She's like puberty. What?
01:25:50
Yeah. So, but that is coming.
01:25:54
Let's see. I'm trying to think what there
01:25:58
was something else about The Last of Us I want to ask your
01:26:00
opinion about and I can't think of it now.
01:26:03
So I'll just have to, I'll just. Have to miss.
01:26:07
I'm just so excited that Mike has no idea what is happening to
01:26:14
know what is going to happen. Yeah, as.
01:26:18
Far as the Last of Us. Yeah, it's great because I have
01:26:22
the information. It's like I'm tempted because I
01:26:24
have AI, have APS 5, but I'm not going to get the game.
01:26:26
I'm not going to play the game. Yeah, I've, I've heard that
01:26:31
people who get that game, they literally binge it and like play
01:26:36
because I think who was it? Steven Young?
01:26:39
I was watching, you know how Variety does the actors on
01:26:44
actors interviews now they're they're starting to do a lot of
01:26:47
them and they have them on YouTube.
01:26:48
So Steven Young and Pedro Pascal did one, and it's actually a
01:26:53
really great interview. But Steven Young was talking
01:26:57
about, he said when he was asking about The Last of Us and
01:27:00
he asked Pedro if he had played the game.
01:27:02
And he was like, Oh yeah, I played.
01:27:04
Steven was like, Oh yeah, I play.
01:27:06
He was like, I started playing in like 12.
01:27:08
I finished in 12 hours. And Pedro was like, what?
01:27:11
He was like, yeah, I couldn't put it down.
01:27:14
So yeah, I hear that is addictive like that.
01:27:16
And I just, I, I don't have the room in my life or something
01:27:19
like that. I don't, I'll, I'll just one of
01:27:22
these days, I'll probably go watch the game play online.
01:27:26
But like, even my son, my son has played the video game.
01:27:31
So when Season 2 got ready to start and Episode 2 was coming
01:27:36
on, Episode 2 had played the week before and the new episode
01:27:41
was coming on and I was like, you've played the game, right?
01:27:45
He was like, yeah, I said, yeah, this is the episode after that
01:27:50
happened. He was like, fuck that, y'all
01:27:52
can have that. He walked upstairs like, Nope,
01:27:57
not doing this, not doing it. So yeah, I'm hoping they're not
01:28:04
going to make us wait for too long, but I don't even think
01:28:07
they've started filming yet. I think, well, you know, Pedro
01:28:09
is kind of busy right now, just a little bit promoting a new
01:28:14
movie, about to start promoting Fantastic Four.
01:28:18
He's a little busy right now, but I don't think he's part.
01:28:21
I'm trying to think. I heard one rumor that they were
01:28:25
going to feature him and some flashbacks, and then I saw
01:28:30
another one that said he was completely done because they
01:28:32
actually did like a rap thing for him on the flashback
01:28:38
episode. So I I I don't know.
01:28:41
I, I I. Mean they they could have done
01:28:43
his stuff for the next season and just have it ready so.
01:28:47
True, so I just hope we don't have to wait till like 2027 or
01:28:51
2028. We don't have to wait till
01:28:54
20/27/2028. I saw Anthony Space and like you
01:28:58
going to wait. We waited two years for this,
01:29:01
two years for this one. It's.
01:29:05
Been told let me, let me dream man, let me hope.
01:29:09
I don't I don't want you good feelings.
01:29:10
I don't I don't want I don't, I don't want you your emotions to
01:29:13
get played with. You got I gotta be I gotta level
01:29:15
with you. I mean, shoot, it's like just
01:29:19
like Wednesday. It's like like like Poseley's
01:29:21
like 665 now. Like he was, he was like 4 foot
01:29:24
3 in like the first season and he's like 6 foot 5 and has
01:29:27
electrical powers now. I'm like, God damn, that's just
01:29:30
good. I can't wait for that to come
01:29:31
out. We we have the manager
01:29:33
expectations and like. Exactly.
01:29:37
We want to be that disappointed. But two, it's been 2 years.
01:29:41
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:29:45
That's why I said, like I said, appreciate Darrell Dixon cause
01:29:49
every September. Right.
01:29:50
You are you correct? Wow.
01:29:53
Guess that's how I feel about Stranger Things.
01:29:55
It was years, Yeah. Yeah, 'cause I think they're
01:29:59
already filming season 4 of Darrell Dixon, so they they
01:30:04
giving it to us. Just do it because it's just
01:30:08
like another show I just finished that nobody's watching
01:30:12
but Georgia and Jenny. There's a boy on the show.
01:30:16
My son watches it. Mike watches.
01:30:18
It OK, there's a boy on the show.
01:30:20
Like when it left off and how this season begin.
01:30:23
It's really supposed to be like 24 hours, but it's been a few
01:30:31
years and he was a kid. So now he's tall.
01:30:35
You're putting these glasses on and you try and put them in that
01:30:37
same classroom. And luckily the other kids who
01:30:41
were in the room with him, grown tooths.
01:30:43
But you're making them like they in second grade, but they look
01:30:46
like they in 8th. But you know, that's when you
01:30:52
have these gaps and you're trying to keep the same kid.
01:30:55
Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:57
And they don't want to do a time jump.
01:30:59
They do it, they do it. Because the daughter was also in
01:31:02
high school, so it was her sophomore year of high school,
01:31:06
but this boy went from 2nd grade to 8th grade.
01:31:10
They can always see what they did and lost with Michael.
01:31:13
Just write him out the show because he.
01:31:15
But you can't. You can't do.
01:31:17
Well, like a family matter. Two kids she has two kids I just
01:31:21
had to get. A loss reference here.
01:31:23
I know, but she has two kids. We can't just throw one away
01:31:25
because he is now taller than she is and the next season we
01:31:32
get he's going to be taller at the rate he's growing well.
01:31:38
So I don't know what they're going to do about that.
01:31:43
OK. So that's that means we need to
01:31:46
stop waiting so long. Like what are you waiting for?
01:31:49
Like for me I don't get why Bridgington takes so long
01:31:53
because. People doing the other projects.
01:31:56
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They be filming it and it's done
01:31:59
and there ain't no special effects, so there's none.
01:32:05
People got to write. They got to write.
01:32:06
But they failed it and we still don't have a date and there's no
01:32:10
special effects. Yeah, yeah.
01:32:14
I I just want to know. Because I it's different.
01:32:17
Stranger things have special effects.
01:32:18
I get it. Yeah.
01:32:20
So I understand like, no, I don't because I was going to say
01:32:27
I understand that when the pandemic happened, things kind
01:32:31
of changed and they had to do things differently.
01:32:34
But now pandemics been gone for like at at the very least four
01:32:39
years, everybody's been back on a regular filming schedule, blah
01:32:44
blah blah. So I just want to know what's
01:32:47
up. Because network TV can crank out
01:32:50
22 episodes in a season, take a summer hiatus, and come back 3-4
01:32:56
months later with another 22 episodes, right?
01:33:00
So I just need to know where where the big strangers who are
01:33:03
who are supposedly now getting all the money.
01:33:07
What are y'all doing? Right, 'cause I'm going to tell
01:33:10
you SVU and they in New York, they be filming, they be on it
01:33:16
and stories be popping. So SVU is in what, the 20 like
01:33:20
200 and 90th season by now season.
01:33:25
It's going a lot. They doing a lot of them.
01:33:27
Yeah, yeah, they. Don't have any special effects.
01:33:32
Don't, don't. So that means the shows that
01:33:34
don't have special effects should be able to come out.
01:33:37
Like Bridgerton, right? We don't.
01:33:40
Have Georgia and Jenny. They don't.
01:33:41
Have. Costume.
01:33:43
Yeah, Georgia. And.
01:33:45
Jenny took like 5 years to come back.
01:33:47
She's been in jail for five years.
01:33:48
That's what she was, that's. What I'm saying that there's no
01:33:52
special effect. It's just like the Gilded Age is
01:33:55
the same way Gilded Gilded Age takes like 2 years to come back.
01:33:58
I'm like Oh my God, one of my best.
01:34:00
Friends was complaining about that.
01:34:02
She was like I can't believe Max is making us wait till 9:00 PM
01:34:06
to watch this show. Like that's how we felt with the
01:34:08
Last of Us. I'm like I'm paying for the
01:34:10
streaming service and I still got to wait till 9:00.
01:34:14
At least with AMC at 3:00 AM which is midnight in LA.
01:34:19
OK if I want to watch my show I can watch it Max.
01:34:23
Nope. Absolutely not, Max.
01:34:26
But Mike, do you have anything else you want to talk about?
01:34:29
Do you feel sufficiently like you're back now you're you're
01:34:34
ready to jump back into things and.
01:34:36
Yeah, I'm, I think, yeah, I'm, I'm getting better.
01:34:43
I talked about it on my on my Facebook, but but those don't
01:34:47
know I was out because I had to have my prostate out because
01:34:52
they found cancer in my prostate.
01:34:54
I'm happy to report that the prostate didn't grow in my
01:34:57
prostate didn't grow. It was very it was still
01:34:59
contained in my prostate. So I'm going back every in about
01:35:03
next month to for another checkup just to check my levels.
01:35:08
For everybody listening, go get tested.
01:35:10
If you're over 50, you think most of us are 50 in our 50s
01:35:14
now. Welcome here.
01:35:16
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
01:35:18
Michelle. Oh.
01:35:19
But she doesn't have a prostate to check, so that doesn't apply
01:35:22
to. Her but yeah, from all my guys
01:35:24
get go go get go get a blister simple blood test and just make
01:35:28
sure that your that your levels are OK because it's like you
01:35:32
never know and it's better to catch it early than to catch it
01:35:34
late. And that's just my message.
01:35:38
I'm doing good. I'm glad I got it.
01:35:39
I'm glad I caught it early. My cousin early had went through
01:35:43
this or went through the same thing earlier this year, Like
01:35:47
no, last year, like late last year, he went through the same
01:35:50
thing, had the same surgery and do the same thing.
01:35:52
So he's been my cousin Eric Cook.
01:35:54
Shout out to him. He really helped me along with
01:35:57
my family, my friends, everybody's been really good.
01:36:01
So it's good to be back. Just, you know, now, now I gotta
01:36:06
make up all the money that I missed for a month and 1/2.
01:36:11
Yeah and yeah. Look, I think some of us need to
01:36:14
make up money and we didn't miss a month and.
01:36:17
That's. Correct.
01:36:18
Y'all going there? I'll go on cruise and vacations
01:36:19
and shit part. Well, that part too, but you
01:36:22
know. So I seen you.
01:36:23
I seen you. Yeah.
01:36:25
It's good to be back. I look forward, look forward to
01:36:27
recording on everything, including Ironheart, including
01:36:30
the last couple episodes of Real Time.
01:36:32
Yep, I'm looking forward-looking, forward to
01:36:34
recording and all that, and it's good to be back.
01:36:36
Yep, it's good to have you back. And we would definitely, now
01:36:41
that I think everyone has gotten vacations out of their system, I
01:36:45
think we can get back into, well, I don't think we can ever
01:36:48
get it out of our system, but I think our pocketbooks are
01:36:50
telling us to get it out of our system.
01:36:53
So I think we're going to go ahead and get those last three
01:36:57
episodes, Wheel of Time out the way.
01:36:58
We're going to start on Ironheart and then we are in
01:37:02
convention prep. So July 18th through 20th we
01:37:08
will be appearing at ATL Comic Convention.
01:37:11
We will be doing, I think amongst the three of us, there's
01:37:15
six panels that I know for sure that are being done for Walking
01:37:20
Dead panels, a Last of Us Season 2 discussion and Interview with
01:37:24
the Vampire Season 2 discussion. So we will be doing that July
01:37:28
18th through 20th. And then of course, you guys
01:37:31
know the big one for us, Dragon Con is coming up.
01:37:36
We don't have any confirmed panels yet that we can share.
01:37:42
Let me say that I do have 6 confirmed panels that I am on,
01:37:45
but we can't publish that yet until Dragon Con gives all of
01:37:50
the track directors approval to publish their schedule.
01:37:54
So once we have that information, we will bring that
01:37:58
to you. But for now, that is it for our
01:38:01
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