#thelastofus #TLOU They're back!!! Our gamer friends from Season 1 - Carlos, Jason, and Benbe are back to chat about season 2 of The Last of Us. Find out how they thought this season held up to the game, and what they think we can expect from Season 3 (non-spoilery, of course!)Find Carlos on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dragonbourneapostateFind Jason on the Brang Da Popcorn Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@UCZJj5UJznWg5hZ8T703V7qw
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah, and as you can
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tell by our screen, we are doing things a little bit differently.
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Today we are talking The Last of Us, but this is the Season 2
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Gamer Edition and we have some special guests with us today.
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Of course, everyone knows Anthony, but for those of you
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who did not catch our Season 1 Gamer episode and are unfamiliar
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with the other three, we are going to let you guys introduce
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yourselves. We're going to start with Mr.
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Carlos I. I'm Carlos Rodriguez and I've
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been gaming all my life. You sound like you're a A.
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Hi, I'm Carlos. I'm a gamer.
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Been. Gaming all my life.
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I'm addicted. Hello, Carlos.
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Hi, Carlos. Ben, how about you?
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Hi everybody, I'm Ben. I am a casual gamer.
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I grew up watching my brothers play and then when my I didn't
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live with my brothers, I had to play the games myself.
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If if Ben is a casual gamer then that means I don't even touch
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video games. No, no, I I think you still play
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a little bit more than me. OK.
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And Jason? What's up everybody, it's Your
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boy, AKA The friend, Live with Dread Head and the Brain to
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Popcorn podcast. I'm back.
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I love Miss Hancock. I can't wait to talk with all
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these lovely people about hey, because I want to hear.
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I need to hear thoughts. I I need to hear thoughts.
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All right, let's get this show started.
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I'm going to start with something funny.
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So few days ago, I get a text from Carlos, who is driving in
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his car. And which which episode were you
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listening to? Were you listening to our finale
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episode or were you listening to the one before that?
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Think it was the one before that.
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Yeah, maybe the Carlo sends me a text message and it says, I just
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want you to know I missed my exit because I'm yelling at the
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radio. I'm yelling at you going no, no,
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no, Hanukkah. So what were you fussing at me
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about? You know, as as as, as Lincoln
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says, you're giving the writers way too much credit.
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OK. You're giving them way too much
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credit. Like the last.
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Oh, man, Let me tell you something.
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I got thoughts, OK. Because like, the first season,
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like, it was so good and so perfect.
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And it was just like, they captured the essence of the
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video game. What made the video game good
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and like the story here has I got I don't know, I don't feel
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the same way. I don't I don't feel the same
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way this time. OK, you know, first, one of the
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things that like really upsets me is they nerfed Ellie.
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Yes. OK they they completely nerfed
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Ellie. Why is Ellie dumb?
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She's not dumb in the game. No, she she's quick witted,
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she's sharp. Right doesn't know how to read a
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map. What why is Jesse telling Ellie?
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Oh, I didn't expect you to figure.
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So what do you mean you didn't expect Ellie to figure things
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out? Ellie knows how to walk cross
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country all all by herself. Why, why am I looking at Ellie's
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room and there's rifles all over the place.
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They say, who is this person? I I don't understand.
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And you know, there's like in in this portion of the game,
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there's like 4 people in this, in this in this story that are
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one man armies, OK? I mean, the, the, the literal
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definition of, oh, you brought 10 people.
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You didn't bring enough, OK. And that was that was like, you
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know, it's Joel, Tommy, Abby and Ellie, OK?
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Ellie's a mass murderer in the in, in in the game, OK.
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And doesn't usually feel that bad about it until, you know,
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until, you know, she accidentally or killed.
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When she killed, like, you know, the pregnant young lady.
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No. No.
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Yeah. All right, then she was feeling
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like, a little bit bad. You saw a little bit of
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humanity. But well, in the show, well, in
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the show itself, just like touching on that real quick.
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She knew that she was pregnant before she killed her in the
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show, but in the game she did not at all.
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No, I don't think she knew she was pregnant in the show because
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I don't. Her intent was not to kill her.
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Mel happened to catch a stray when it went through Owen's
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neck. That's right.
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They did do it differently though.
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They did do it differently. Ellie in this in this season is
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so accident prone, like she's accidentally killing people and
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you know, unable, unable to deal with it.
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And you know, they completely they completely nerfed her.
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But you know what? You know what upsets me?
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Because they also nerfed Bella Ramsey.
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OK, because Bella Ramsey already has experience playing
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characters that are bigger than her.
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Yeah, we saw. I don't know if y'all saw Game
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of Thrones, but she could command a room at 11 years old.
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At 11 years old. So you it's not that
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unbelievable if they just left Ellie's character alone Like
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Ellie. Ellie in the game can take on
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people twice her size in hand in in hand to hand combat if she
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needed to. So it, it is so weird that they
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went, they went with this choice of just, you know, and, and like
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Dina, Ellie, they have way less experience in the TV show than
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they do in the game, because Ellie is has already a lot of
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experience doing patrols by the time we get to her in the game.
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All right, Like she's been killing.
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She's been killing zombies all over the place.
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Right, it wasn't her first. Time it wasn't her first time,
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like she's already has like a lot of experience and they just
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really like made made Dina and Ellie like less experienced than
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than they like they almost needed the men.
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I mean, think about it all right in the game, who goes out on
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patrol? It was it was Tommy and Joel.
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They went out on patrol together.
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And in the and in the game, it was it was Dina and Joel.
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All right. And Ellie and Jesse.
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Oh, in the show, Yeah. Yeah.
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In the show, you know, so that they switched up who was going
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as if Ellie and Dina can't handle themselves, that was.
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That was like, well, I think, I think they did that because the
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whole, they changed the whole, well, they gave it a plot line,
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the whole Eugene thing, like his stuff.
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Because if Ellie and Dina had gone on that patrol together,
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they would have gone to Eugene's place, right?
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It would have been that, right? They would have they cause Dina
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knew about. But they took that out.
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They did something with Eugene like a stuff and Eugene died of
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natural causes in the game so. Yes, he died of natural causes
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in the game. OK, OK.
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So that was a little confusing. I felt like it was unnecessarily
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aggressive to especially also to make Joel the one who did that
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and the whole way that it went down especially, it just didn't
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happen in the game like that or at all.
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So that was weird. I.
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Forgot about Eugene's character. Eugene was just there for a
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little while. OK, yeah.
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I think I read something because, OK, I'm, I'm the one
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person on this on this show who has not played the game, so I
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don't have a lot of knowledge about it.
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So I think, you know, Carlos, I, I understand your frustration,
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but I think you're, you're also valid because I'm, I'm looking
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at things without the, the knowledge or the taint of the
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game. So I can look at things with a
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different perspective and, you know, kind of be a little bit
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more forgiving of some of the things that the characters are
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doing because I don't have this, this preconceived idea of who
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this character is supposed to be.
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You know, So I, I don't have those things.
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And I mean, I, I understand how that is because, you know, most
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of the stuff that I read has been turned into adaptations.
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And it, it's hard when you're familiar with the work and then
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you see what they've done. It's very, very hard not to say,
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well, that's not how they did it in the book and that's not how
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they did it. But being able to watch it and,
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and find out things afterwards I think gives it a just a
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different feel for me. So yeah.
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But even even for me though, like I can put the game stuff
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aside and just look at it as a character.
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The. Character.
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Yes I can. The character characters have to
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be internally consistent and these characters were not
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consistent, not just over the two seasons, they just weren't
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consistent within this season. Like the stuff, even the stuff
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that makes Ellie different. Show Ellie and video game Ellie
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are two different people. So the problem with show Ellie
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is, even just looking at the show, she spent however many
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months with Joel crossing the country and you can't tell me
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that he didn't teach her anything.
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No way. Yeah.
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Absolutely no sense because I think I've said this before in
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the in the previous show that even if he was just looking at
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her as cargo, if he doesn't teach any teach her anything,
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she's a liability and dead weight.
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So he has to teach her how to scout.
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He has to teach her how to be sneaky.
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He has to teach her how to read a map, how to sneak up on
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people, how to crawl in the small spaces to help him make
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sure there are no clickers in these buildings because they
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couldn't have been outside the whole time, right?
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They still had to scavenge for food.
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He didn't teach her anything, and now she gets her Jags and
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all of a sudden she didn't know how to read a map.
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She didn't know how to pack for a trip.
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She didn't know how to do anything.
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I just don't. That's just not consistent with
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Joel. And that's not consistent with
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her even within the confines of the show because that that
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doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, yeah.
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Well, I understand that and you and I had a lengthy discussion
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about this when we talked about this season finale.
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So Jason, let's get some of your thoughts.
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How how are you feeling about season 2 in relation to what the
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second game game play was? So for me, you know, I came into
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this show, I came into this season, I'm like, oh, I'm pretty
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sure the, the, the, the reactions are going to be just
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like the games they're remixed. Some people are going to really
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like it. Some people are going to like,
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it's OK. Some people are just going to
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hate it. Me like game wise, I was on the
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on the ones that saying that it was the game was great with
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greater gameplay and a far more complex story.
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So that's why I gave this praise and I see where people come from
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and it's kind of like with this show.
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I still feel like this show is still like writing wise writing
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wise directing like all of that. I still say it's still it's not
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at the first season level, but it's still like it's still like
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a notch for Lloyd because if I can take it away from the game
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because like, I, I don't know who who has said about Ellie's
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character, about how she would not how she would know these
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things because of Joel. And I'm like, yeah, I thought
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she was like, yeah, yeah, right. But then when we got those
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intimate episodes between Joel and Ellie, this Joel, he seen
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Moore trying to keep her inside of Jackson that she really
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didn't want. Like he like he probably taught,
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he taught her bare minimum because he didn't want her going
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out there, because he didn't want to lose her because we saw
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what he did at the end of the first season to, to, to get her
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back. So like, that's why I'm, I'm
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really, really that upset. I see people's problems with it,
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but for me it wasn't a problem because I feel like even then
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the writing, it's still like it made some type of sense to me.
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And as far as people, a lot of people talk about Ellie's
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character show Ellie and guitar game Ellie are different.
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And I think because in the show from I think if with the amount
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of episodes we got and how much we had to cover, it would be
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hard to put video game Ellie in because video game Ellie, like
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since you play as Ellie, of course you're going to be a
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badass. Of course you're going to be
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shoot and kill everybody. But but in the show, even though
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it's still about, you know, zombies, it it made it more
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grounded to her character. And like I said, within the
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show's confines, I like, I can still rock with it because the
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like, the one thing I like is the dialogue between characters.
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Like honestly, in the first episode, I don't know, second
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episode when they when they killed off Joel, I was more sad
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than I was playing the game because I got to spend way much
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more time with Joel at the very beginning.
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As far as you get these scenes in the middle and end of in the
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end of the game. So it makes no sense.
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But here it's all compact. You see that he's a like, like
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he's a uncle. He like he's a loving uncle,
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he's a loving father for Ellie. He's back with his, with his
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brother Tommy. So you get to, you know, spend a
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little bit of time with him, more time with them.
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And then when that scene happens, it it hits even harder
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and, and it hurts. And I, I just like, I think one
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thing I do want to praise is just just like the first season.
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I like what Craig Mazing them do as far as directing and how they
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angle their shots and how the lighting because I think it all
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fits perfectly with this. Well, that's why I really like
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Chernobyl because of how it was filmed and the lighting like in
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some of these scenes and how the setting look.
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So I'm still in love with the visuals.
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You know, the CGI can look very smooth.
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Sometimes it looks like it look like a Lego background,
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sometimes from a distance I saw a few.
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Scenes. Like.
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That I didn't notice that, so I'm good.
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But like I said, it was it was nice like like from just for
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somebody who was a writer themselves, like who wants to be
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in this industry? Like it makes me like, you know,
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it makes me remember why I like things like this.
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It doesn't always have to be about at night non-stop action
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and just like shock value or sometimes the intimate moments
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in movies be the some of the best parts.
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And I feel like in this show, a lot of the intimate scenes are,
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are some of the better scenes even over some of the action,
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which there's a lot of good action in the in the show.
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But yeah, like, that's just my overall thoughts about it.
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OK. I have a question for Jason.
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Yes. Being a writer, having done the
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play the video game and watch the show.
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Oh, Oh, yeah. Can you see how they maybe made
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a choice? That a choice that having Abby
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be a monster, not Abby. That Ali is a she's basically a
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monster in the game. She's she's a horrifying monster
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because she kills everything. You can't necessarily write that
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as your main character in the TV show, can you?
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No, because that's where the problem is, because when you do
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that in the video game, it's different because it's action
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oriented. So you get like 1/5 a 5 to 15
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minutes. No, no, I say a 5 to 10 minutes
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cutscene and then it's an hour to an hour to it, almost two
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hours of gameplay. So there's not really time for
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them for the character to actually feel like a human and
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not John Wick. And that makes sense.
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Yeah, and you know, I was going to say as a as a show person and
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not the game person, I also kind of felt like that in in looking
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at how they approach Ellie's character because kind of
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similar to what Anthony just said, I feel like when it's a
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video game, you're looking at it as one it it's not real, it's
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fictional. It's and most of it is animated.
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So these are, you know, characters that you can kind of
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in your mind say, OK, these characters aren't real.
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So if they do all of this outlandish stuff, oh, OK, it's
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no big deal. It's a game.
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However, when you're looking at it through the lens of watching
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a show, I feel like because you are dealing with real people,
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even though they're playing fictional characters, I feel
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like you attach yourself more to their emotions.
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You attach yourself more to to their actions and, and let's be
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honest, it's not a good look for someone to be off killing
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everything. And we're just like, yes, yes,
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you can do it. Do it with no consequences.
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We don't care. I I think there's a little bit
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of a balance that writers have to think like, OK, we don't want
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people to look at this and say, OK, yeah, this is totally OK for
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you to do it. Because unfortunately we know
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that there are people in this world who look at fiction and
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they're like, Oh yeah, they did that.
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So I can do that. But you know, I, I think it's, I
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think it was interesting that they put a, a bit more of a, a
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humanity spin on her character. Because I think Anthony and I
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discussed this when we were talking about the finale,
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because Anthony had problems with a, a lot of season 2 up
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until the later episodes. And, you know, we talked about
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the episode where we're introduced to Joe's father, and
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we see kind of him trying to break that cycle of violence
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within their family. And then we learned that Joel
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and Ellie had this conversation the night before he died, also
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about breaking these cycles of violence.
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And, you know, it kind of seems like Ellie, maybe because of
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what happened to Joel and because she knew what happened,
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you know, automatically assume that this was the result of what
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he did. So maybe she's making different
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choices so that she doesn't end up like him.
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You know, I I thought that was very interesting.
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But there are times like if you listen to the show at all this
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season, I'm sitting there like, I want to see Tommy.
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I want to see the the bad ass. I'm about to kill everybody
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Tommy that everybody keeps talking about.
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But I also realized that might not be very healthy for me even.
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Because of look in in in the game, yeah, I ain't gonna live
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after playing the game, you see something stand the town do like
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oh, I need to take a shower. I feel I feel dirty because
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honestly now one thing I will say they toned down Joe's death
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because honestly, I was I was going into the show thinking,
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oh, I'm about I'm about to have Walking Dead all over again.
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Ain't no. OK, you had Glenn.
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You were expecting some Glenn vibes.
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Yeah, because yeah, 'cause let's just say Abby hit a lot of
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holding ones that day with Joel's head.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't think I would have been
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able to watch that. I mean, watching that episode
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was hard enough as it was. You can't do Pedro like that.
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Yeah, I was and. It was a little bit merciful
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here. Yeah, like, oh, at least you're
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just going for the leg. Oh, but but also, I want to give
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a shout out to the visual effects department because that
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3D model, it looked really good. I like, oh, that must be a Pedro
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dumb like, Oh no. Really good or really bad now?
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Like like for me, it actually looked like like it didn't look
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fake. Like a lot a lot of things I see
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like the it'll be either a dummy from a distance or it's just you
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can tell that it's CGI. But I'm glad that it was
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practical effects used. Right.
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Because it, it really, really did look like him.
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It was a very good likeness. I was, I was thinking about an
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interview his sister did on a red carpet somewhere.
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And she was like, you know, being his sister, you know, I, I
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know that these things are coming and whatever she's like,
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but I'm so sick of watching my brother die.
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She was like, I just can't do it anymore.
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She said she watched it on the last bus and she threw her iPad
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across the room and she was like, no, I can't do this
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anymore. Because he died.
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In Game of Thrones. Also, he died in Buffy the van.
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Yeah, he's like, he's like the modern day Sean Bean.
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Yeah, right. Wait, didn't he die in Gladiator
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2 as well? Yes, he did.
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Yes, he did. A very glorious death.
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But yeah, it was kind of like, I was literally sitting in the
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movie theater watching this. I was like, OK, so I'm not going
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to have to watch him die once this year.
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I'm going to have to watch it twice, OK?
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Y'all got to stop doing this to me, but yeah, I but y'all are
00:22:10
giving me hope because, you know, he's playing a character
00:22:14
that I really hate and you know Reed Richards, he's playing Reed
00:22:20
Richards and I would just love it if Reed.
00:22:23
Richards died. Just love it.
00:22:27
I would just love it. So hopefully we have this
00:22:30
pattern and I'll be very happy. Now, we've already seen Reed
00:22:33
Richards die once. If he was going to do that, he
00:22:35
should have been the Reed Richards and multiverse of Man.
00:22:41
OK, Ben, let's get your thoughts.
00:22:43
Oh. My God, my thoughts.
00:22:47
OK, so like I I didn't enjoy this season and I loved the last
00:22:52
season. It was kind of crazy because
00:22:53
Carlos kind of, I felt, I feel thinks the same as I do.
00:22:58
I'm still trying to pinpoint exactly why, but it just doesn't
00:23:01
feel like the first season at all either.
00:23:05
I felt like I was pretty open the first season for different
00:23:09
things, new elements. I understand that the physical
00:23:11
conflict is going to be like a lot less and I had no problems
00:23:17
with that. I loved all the changes, mostly
00:23:18
that they made in like the first season.
00:23:20
But this season I had a huge problem with the characters and
00:23:24
how some of them decided they wanted to portray this because I
00:23:28
just feel like it wasn't faithful to the to the video
00:23:31
game character. And obvious like Abby or Ellie I
00:23:36
should say. What other characters did you
00:23:39
have issues with? Well, no, I I mean like those
00:23:43
are definitely the two main ones, but it's more like also
00:23:45
like their relationships between each other to like a stuff.
00:23:48
I don't know why the video, not the video game.
00:23:51
The show made such a big deal of Dina and Joel's relationship.
00:23:56
It was almost a little weird, like his stuff like he really
00:24:01
loved her like a daughter and it kind of like in the show and it
00:24:04
kind of just didn't make sense. Like obviously, like, you know,
00:24:07
he's got like, you know, like in the game, you know, he considers
00:24:12
her like a neighbor and a close friend like and stuff.
00:24:14
But like in the show, it definitely felt like they were a
00:24:16
lot closer than they were in the game.
00:24:19
And it was it was kind of weird because it kind of felt they
00:24:23
were trying to make Dina's character more.
00:24:27
I don't know if Lovables the worth that I want to use in the
00:24:29
beginning. Like it's stuff that I felt like
00:24:31
they wanted you to warm up really quick to her and they
00:24:34
kind of just forced her into situations.
00:24:38
I really like Dina and Deanna's character a lot.
00:24:41
I just felt like it was also weird.
00:24:43
Like her relationship with Ellie is so much more in your face in
00:24:46
the show. And not that it's not present
00:24:49
throughout the game like at all or anything, but it's kind of
00:24:52
weird their relationship going on during all of this.
00:24:56
Like, it's stuff like in the game, it's definitely like, hey,
00:25:00
this is all going on. You know, it's nice to have you
00:25:03
like with me like during this, like a stuff, but it's not all
00:25:06
these really. It's not CW.
00:25:09
Lovey W CS there's there's a little romance like and stuff
00:25:12
obviously, but it's not all these lovey dovey CS and it's
00:25:16
just it's just kind of weird for the situation they're in at the
00:25:18
moment. Yeah, Yeah.
00:25:22
I think, I think we all agreed on that or Anthony and I did
00:25:25
because it was, it was the. Whole I love you after the
00:25:28
serenade didn't happen in the game and it was just really
00:25:31
weird how it came out in the show like.
00:25:33
Yeah. Yeah, even like when she told
00:25:36
her she was pregnant in the show, she's like, oh, I'm going
00:25:39
to be a dad because of the games.
00:25:41
Like she. Was angry.
00:25:43
Fuck, she was upset. Like what are you doing?
00:25:45
Like you're messing this up. You know, yeah.
00:25:48
It I feel like it's really funny because I feel like Bella
00:25:52
Ramsey's portrayal of Ellie has is almost like Bella yells when
00:25:59
Ellie in the game does not yell. And it's kind of like also like
00:26:02
vice versa. Cuz like I noticed Bella Ramsey
00:26:05
yells in a lot of situations where Ellie was actually pretty
00:26:07
like even toned about it. She was upset and angry and
00:26:10
stuff, but it was kind of more like a cold rage instead of in
00:26:14
this explosive force. Cuz I don't know, Bella just
00:26:17
kind of seems like a little bit more childish than Ellie is in
00:26:20
the game. Like his stuff with how she
00:26:21
manages that kind of emotion because it's always exploding.
00:26:24
And yes, Ellie does explode in the game sometimes, but she's a
00:26:27
lot more level, especially with like the people that she cares
00:26:31
about. Like she's not doing all this
00:26:33
yelling to Jesse and Dina like she does in the show.
00:26:36
OK. So it's those kind of things
00:26:39
that kind of just like these aren't the characters I know.
00:26:44
OK, so, and I kind of look at that as one of the things that I
00:26:51
noticed about Ellie's character or that I try to, you know, kind
00:26:56
of think about when I think about Ellie's character, is
00:26:59
remembering that she didn't grow up normally like most of the
00:27:03
other kids. You know, she grew up kind of
00:27:06
isolated and, you know, treated not necessarily special, but she
00:27:12
knew she was different. Maybe she didn't know why until
00:27:14
she was older, but she was different.
00:27:16
Marlene treated her different because that, you know, Marlene
00:27:20
had the sense of, oh, this girl may be a cure.
00:27:24
She may be able to, you know, do something about this later on in
00:27:28
her life. So she was isolated from other
00:27:33
kids, if I'm not mistaken, if I remember from season 1, she was
00:27:37
isolated from a lot of kids. She was isolated from a lot of
00:27:40
people, and she wasn't really given a chance to kind of be a
00:27:43
child. And I think that's one of the
00:27:45
things that they showed us in the show, like with Joel doing
00:27:49
the things that he did for her, maybe as Anthony said, not
00:27:53
teaching her, you know, how to be bad ass number one when it
00:27:57
comes to survival skills. I think the show was trying to
00:28:01
show him giving her some grace as far as let me let her be a
00:28:05
child, at least right now while we're in this community, while
00:28:08
we're somewhat safe, let me allow her this little bit.
00:28:12
And I think for her emotionally, I don't think she knows how to
00:28:18
deal with that. You know, she she's not used to
00:28:20
people treating her special in that sense.
00:28:22
She's not used to anyone showing her love.
00:28:25
She's not used to anyone being considerate of her in that way.
00:28:31
And I think when she when she acts out, I think she does it
00:28:35
kind of out of fear, kind of out of self sabotage, kind of like,
00:28:39
OK, well these people are going to leave me.
00:28:42
And I think she just really doesn't understand, again, like
00:28:47
social cue, she doesn't understand how to deal with
00:28:49
people, how to deal with people correctly.
00:28:51
And I just think that comes across and I think she does that
00:28:54
really well. Bella Ramsey does.
00:28:56
I think they do that really well when portraying the character.
00:29:01
I just think, again, sometimes our expectations of what the
00:29:05
character should be doing, especially, oh, she's 19, she
00:29:07
should know better, but how no one's really ever been around to
00:29:11
teach her. Like, this is how you respond to
00:29:14
certain events. This is how you respond to
00:29:16
certain things. And I just don't think she
00:29:20
understands that. You know you're giving the
00:29:22
writers too much credit. You are.
00:29:28
Wouldn't. You are because they're, they're
00:29:31
uh. Oh, oh, he was.
00:29:37
Thinking a lot of the the dissonance between.
00:29:40
You keep freezing, that's why we're laughing at you.
00:29:42
I know, I know, I can't help it. I don't know.
00:29:44
I'm just, I'm just electrified like that.
00:29:48
The business between the character Ellie and the show in
00:29:51
the game, I think a lot of the problems with the shows revolve
00:29:57
around how they wrote the character, how they changed the
00:30:00
character fundamentally. Like is literally supposed to be
00:30:04
a revenge season. Like she's supposed to be on
00:30:08
this revenge toward this thing. She's supposed to be hunting
00:30:12
these people down. And that's what I was excited
00:30:15
about, even though I wanted this.
00:30:16
Every episode would be a different character being
00:30:19
haunted down. That's about her.
00:30:21
That would have been much more compelling than what we got in,
00:30:24
in my opinion, video game or not.
00:30:27
Like, why do we like shows like The Blacklist?
00:30:30
Raymond Redington is a monster, but he's so charming, you know,
00:30:34
And I kind of would like to have sort of had that with Ellie and
00:30:38
Miss because I don't know, it just it was too much CW and not
00:30:42
enough, you know? John Wick.
00:30:45
John Wick Exactly. But I do have a question for it
00:30:49
for y'all. Were there anything, were there
00:30:53
any moments that were faithful to the game that you thought
00:30:57
were faithful to the game? And what were some of the stand
00:31:01
out unfaithful moments? Oh, OK, so one of the things
00:31:12
that I, and I'm starting to realize now that I now that I
00:31:16
saw the whole season, I understand why they did it.
00:31:18
But, you know, we went through a long time without knowing why
00:31:23
Abby killed Joel. They pretty much told us the
00:31:26
first, the first episode, why Abby killed Joel.
00:31:30
And I don't know. For me, for me, that kind of
00:31:33
that kind of changes the impact of the story.
00:31:36
Now it's still kind of wound up, I guess close to being the same
00:31:40
anyway. Because the only reason why I
00:31:42
knew that the season 2 of The Last of Us came out was everyone
00:31:47
was reacting the way that they did when they were gamers.
00:31:50
When the gamers reacted, I was like, oh, it's out.
00:31:54
Because I was what? How everyone was saying, oh, I
00:31:56
can't believe this bee. And then I was like, yeah, that
00:31:58
was the same. That was the same reaction.
00:32:01
Everyone like hated Abby. Like we hated Abby.
00:32:06
OK, When we started taking control of Abby, I don't know
00:32:09
about you guys. I threw her off a Cliff a couple
00:32:12
times. All right, I let her get.
00:32:14
Eaten. A couple of times, you know,
00:32:17
like I was like, yeah, that's revenge.
00:32:19
I I got revenge on for Joel several times when I was when I
00:32:23
was playing as when I was playing as Abby, and so that you
00:32:27
know, one the the level of the of that, that reaction, you
00:32:33
know, so like I didn't like it that they reveal it in the
00:32:36
beginning, but I guess the reaction still stayed the same.
00:32:40
Everyone like hating Abby B For the most part, the show did go
00:32:50
did pretty much follow what the game was doing.
00:32:54
My issue was always was just the characterizations of of Ellie
00:32:59
that was just getting him. But it really did follow the
00:33:01
game a lot, a lot of the way it really it really did.
00:33:06
But I think it was just missing the same impact because I think
00:33:11
the storytelling, I feel like the storytelling kind of changed
00:33:14
because without Abby, the overall effect is not, it's just
00:33:19
not the same. Like I really missed having Abby
00:33:24
and seeing and seeing Abby. But I realized now that I guess
00:33:28
they just didn't have time because they were, you know,
00:33:31
that's why they split it into two seasons.
00:33:34
I don't know, for me, it would have been better to have waited
00:33:36
and, and see the entire story. It would have been better for me
00:33:40
that way because it'll be interesting to see how people
00:33:44
feel about Abby at the end of season 3 because, you know, and
00:33:49
it's kind of hard to talk about it because we don't want to do
00:33:52
any spoilers. Spoilers.
00:33:53
Yeah, we don't want to do any spoilers even though they might
00:33:56
change them, but you know, they did follow the game.
00:34:00
The Eugene thing was different. I didn't I didn't hate the
00:34:04
Eugene part. I mean, it was Joey Pants.
00:34:07
I I I'd like to just say that I thought the Eugene part was
00:34:11
fine. Dina's and Ally's relationship
00:34:15
really like solid and establishes itself in Jackson
00:34:19
before they go to Seattle and I think I like that better because
00:34:23
their relationship was less of a of a distraction.
00:34:27
By the time they got to Seattle they were already established.
00:34:30
They were already boyfriend and girlfriend by the time they got
00:34:32
on the road. One of the other changes was
00:34:37
that Ellie and Dina had to sneak out of Jackson.
00:34:42
That didn't happen in the game. What happened in the game was
00:34:45
Tommy went and and and started hunting Abby down and Maria sent
00:34:52
Ellie and Dina to go to go get her go get Tommy back.
00:34:57
OK, so so Maria actually sent Ellie and Dina to go to go get
00:35:02
him back. OK, That's that was kind of
00:35:05
opposite in this one in the show.
00:35:07
It was like the complete it's the complete opposite in this
00:35:09
one. OK, so.
00:35:13
OK, the. Museum what?
00:35:16
The museum was. The museum scene was really
00:35:18
good, really amazing. Yeah, I love.
00:35:22
Pretty much almost one for one. I love that scene.
00:35:26
It was it was so well done. And just again, for me, I, you
00:35:31
know, I have a a soft spot for Ellie because she grew up
00:35:34
without having to, you know, without being able to experience
00:35:37
even what normal kids in that type of environment, you know,
00:35:41
experience. So just to see her walk in and
00:35:44
the joy on her face and basically acting like a child
00:35:49
for the first time that we see at all in this show, I loved it.
00:35:54
So yeah. What about you, Jason?
00:35:59
Wait. Ask question again.
00:36:02
Was there was there anything that you found particularly
00:36:05
faithful to the game in the show and was there any stand out
00:36:10
thing that was and faithful? To the cell, like Carlos said, I
00:36:15
mean they they were pretty faithful with with most of it.
00:36:19
I would say like with the like with the major part they were
00:36:21
faithful like except for the Tommy thing.
00:36:25
But then, but like I said, I'm probably like I'm popular
00:36:28
opinion, some of the changes that they made, it's like I like
00:36:31
it because it it makes sense. And for one, I'm glad they put
00:36:35
Ellie. I'm glad they put Abby in front
00:36:38
of like like her reasoning for killing Joel, because now
00:36:43
everybody like now everybody, hey, Abby and everybody feeling
00:36:47
sorry for Joel. I'm be honest with you.
00:36:49
When I played the game and Joel got killed, I like you know
00:36:53
what, fair enough, fair enough. I like because I had to think
00:37:00
about all the times I brutally killed somebody said, yeah, that
00:37:03
could be somebody, Daddy. That that, that, that could have
00:37:05
been somebody. Daddy.
00:37:07
That and then and like like I said, I think I said this in in
00:37:12
the first in the in the first show we did in the hospital, the
00:37:17
two nurses, I kill them every time.
00:37:19
I didn't know that you you. Didn't know that.
00:37:22
I didn't know that I had a choice.
00:37:24
I, I I just I did. Too I, I thought like I had to
00:37:27
kill. Them then.
00:37:31
So then when Jordan? Wait, I popped them all three.
00:37:35
So then when Joel, you know, when Joe got turned into a
00:37:40
pincushion, I said, you know what, that.
00:37:44
So disrespectful. I don't even think Joel would be
00:37:47
surprised how he died. I'm pretty sure this is pretty
00:37:49
much what he expected. And you know what?
00:37:51
And I felt that way in the show, like when she made him realize
00:37:56
who she was. I I think that in his mind, he
00:38:00
was like, oh, OK, yeah, this is. Going to happen someday.
00:38:06
Yeah. That's good, because that was
00:38:07
going to be my next question. How did the show handle Joel's
00:38:10
legacy and impact compared to the game?
00:38:14
Like like I said, for me, I think that it impacted it
00:38:17
impacted me more just because I spent a whole lot more time with
00:38:21
Joel instead of times when I get it into some action and then
00:38:25
then I then I see Joel. I'm like, bro, bro, y'all had to
00:38:28
put this, this flashback right here.
00:38:29
Like I was on the roll. I I was on a roll killing
00:38:32
people. They, they, you just want to
00:38:34
ruin the fun. But OK.
00:38:36
But here, you know, we establish a we, we establish the type of
00:38:41
the type of man that Joel is at this point.
00:38:44
They, they it I like how they changed time because even in the
00:38:49
game, I was yelling at time like you, you know, you got a family,
00:38:52
right? Like you, like, you know, they
00:38:54
need you, right. So I'm glad in the show, the one
00:38:58
thing that they did add that I like was the attack on Jackson.
00:39:02
Oh yes. Because like right when there
00:39:07
when he thought that he was going to die and she thought
00:39:09
that and vice versa. I'll like this gives him a this
00:39:14
gives him a reason for him to stay.
00:39:16
Like how I wanted it to be in the game.
00:39:18
So I'm glad that they reversed it because like I said, Tommy,
00:39:25
the way that Joel talked Tommy up to be that he was that that
00:39:29
he was that he was not the one to make a decision like that.
00:39:32
So that's why I like I'm glad that they fixed that one thing
00:39:36
that always bugged me about Tommy, and also he made a lot of
00:39:40
missions, a lot of so much longer.
00:39:43
Some of the missions it became so much longer because of Tommy.
00:39:46
So I'm glad that they I'm glad that they fixed this because
00:39:49
that was out of my like the small gripes I have throughout
00:39:53
the game. My biggest gripe was Tommy
00:39:58
because I would like that black. I would like that black person
00:40:01
yell at the screen. I like why?
00:40:03
Why? So.
00:40:07
So is that that big clicker attack that happened to Jackson?
00:40:10
Does that not happen in the game?
00:40:12
No, I wish. I wish you did.
00:40:14
I wish you did. OK, yeah, those, the large scale
00:40:19
clicker attacks that they do in this show are so ridiculously
00:40:23
scary. Like, it's one thing knowing
00:40:26
because I mean, even just the way that they brought them out
00:40:29
in this episode, because you have Abby, who's supposed to be
00:40:33
on watch. She sees these two people,
00:40:36
doesn't know who they are, doesn't know what they're
00:40:39
capable of. But you decide you going to take
00:40:41
your little bitty self down the hill and and confront them, do
00:40:45
whatever. I don't know, when she started
00:40:48
stepping and she saw the bodies, I was like, oh, this is not
00:40:51
good. You might want to go back up
00:40:53
that hill, girl. And when they start coming out
00:40:56
like my, I have goosebumps now. Because literally watching those
00:41:01
clickers had the same effect as we did.
00:41:04
When we saw that bloater come out of the ground in the first
00:41:08
season, I was so scared. I was like, OK, you know what?
00:41:12
If that's coming towards me, I understand.
00:41:15
We have a game plan. Y'all are going to the roof,
00:41:17
y'all are going to the basement, blah, blah, blah.
00:41:20
Me, I'm not that. I'm not that brave.
00:41:23
I'm just going to sit there and just just let it be over with
00:41:27
very quickly. Because that was a lot like
00:41:31
hundreds, if not if not 1000. Do you know, like do you want to
00:41:37
know what it kind of remind me of?
00:41:39
It's going to sound weird, but if you watch Lord of the Rings,
00:41:42
the two towers, like the siege on the castle, it kind of, it
00:41:46
kind of felt like that because it really did feel like there
00:41:49
was no like this was going to be a losing, a losing battle.
00:41:53
Yeah. So like, come on, watch.
00:41:55
Like, why does it, why does this seem feel familiar?
00:41:58
And then we're like, oh, yeah. Lord of the Rings like the like
00:42:00
the attack on the castle. I was looking at them running
00:42:03
towards those walls and I was like, well, I guess most of
00:42:08
Jackson is about to die. They were prepared.
00:42:14
They were prepared, Yes, they had a plan.
00:42:16
The end. And that is the one thing I'm
00:42:18
I'm so glad that we see because sometimes when you're watching,
00:42:23
when you're watching properties that have to deal with zombies
00:42:26
and stuff, especially for a big group like that, they're not
00:42:31
always that coordinated. They're not always that well
00:42:34
planned. Like you always had this one
00:42:37
group who doesn't want to do what everybody else is doing.
00:42:39
But that's the one thing about Jackson likes that town is a
00:42:43
community. And they all stepped up except
00:42:46
for those 2 little cowards that ran out.
00:42:49
But you know what? Because you have hundreds of
00:42:54
these things and all you got is a flamethrower and you see
00:42:58
people dying, right, left. You might get scared.
00:43:01
You might decide to turn back. I mean, we don't know.
00:43:04
Maybe they were turning back to get a better position.
00:43:06
We don't know. I know I'm giving them too much.
00:43:11
I think they. Should show better people for
00:43:13
the jobs I'm. Just saying that that scene was
00:43:17
spectacular though I and and for it to be playing as we're
00:43:22
watching what's going on with Joel, I was just like, OK, y'all
00:43:25
are so wrong for this episode, but whatever.
00:43:30
Joe's death happening so quickly in the season, was that
00:43:34
something that you expected or was that something you thought
00:43:38
would happen later on in the season and did that change how
00:43:41
you felt about it? Oh, that was like they they kind
00:43:44
of runtime wiser, probably like the same amount of time or
00:43:48
whether they kill him in the game it was.
00:43:50
About the same point. OK, Yeah, yeah.
00:43:53
Because like, if you don't know what the theme of the of this
00:43:57
season is going to be by now, I, I, I don't know what to tell
00:44:00
you. Yeah, I still feel like people
00:44:05
will miss it though, because I I still feel like they didn't do
00:44:07
without Abby. The the theme is deluded, I
00:44:12
think. I don't know for me, because I
00:44:14
like I said, those, those extra scenes to me, I feel like I feel
00:44:20
like people are going to cling on to that revenge thing, but I
00:44:24
but honestly, my thing, I feel like the theme is learn to like
00:44:28
learn to let go and live, because a lot of these scenes
00:44:31
show that these people have some, a lot to live for.
00:44:35
Like I think that's why they fast tracked Ellie and and and
00:44:39
Dina. Well, first of all, I just
00:44:41
looked at how they were doing pacing this.
00:44:44
I don't know how they're going to do this all in another
00:44:46
season. It's going to have to this
00:44:47
talent could be 3 different seasons because of how long the
00:44:50
game is. So I I like how they actually
00:44:55
gave people like gave like everybody, like, you know, a
00:44:59
stake and like what to what to lose and like what, what and
00:45:03
like what like is it worth bounding out what's to lose and
00:45:07
what's the gain? So I really think they did a
00:45:09
good job with that and made, to me, it made the theme of letting
00:45:12
go more clear than it did in the game.
00:45:16
Yeah, see, I thought maybe like towards the end of this season,
00:45:19
I realized that the way they are were writing Ellie's character,
00:45:23
they were trying to go to the breaking the cycle of violence
00:45:27
route. Like everything was telling her
00:45:30
to turn back, turn back. You know, you don't have to do
00:45:33
it. It's it's done with.
00:45:36
It ended with Joel, Joel's death.
00:45:39
Just stop. Which is different from the game
00:45:41
because I feel like the game was pushing her to do the revenge,
00:45:46
to go on the revenge. But like, that's just, I feel
00:45:49
like that's just the way that the game's formatted because
00:45:52
because you, I, I don't think it would play well in the show
00:45:56
because for one, you would have to fast track a lot of things
00:45:59
and spend a lot less time on some of those intimate moments,
00:46:02
which for this show for like for what they were trying to do,
00:46:05
they need these intimate moments.
00:46:07
Yeah, then we did get bits and pieces like Nora we got.
00:46:12
That I was like because of that first I would go like Dang LA
00:46:19
ruthless enough and I said, oh, you look familiar.
00:46:22
Oh, she getting that pipe. Oh, she getting that pipe oh.
00:46:28
Yeah. Oh damn boy, turn your legs in
00:46:31
the wishbones. Please turn it on.
00:46:33
And then you saw it again when she saw the whale and the wheel,
00:46:36
and then she flipped it on again.
00:46:38
Oh yeah. So they they they were trying to
00:46:40
give us a little bit of, of that game LE.
00:46:45
Yeah, right there. Yes, there.
00:46:46
I I saw a little bit there. I was like, oh, there she is.
00:46:50
Yeah. And I was just kind of wondering
00:46:52
again, from from a, a show only viewpoint, like I know enough
00:46:57
about the game to know what to expect.
00:46:59
So I kind of figured once the second episode happened and then
00:47:04
3-4 came and we saw nothing of Ellie.
00:47:08
I mean of Abby, just, you know, Ellie's searching for her.
00:47:12
I was like, oh, OK, they're either going to wait and give us
00:47:14
give us her in the last episode, or they're going to give it to
00:47:19
us in the third season. Because I knew that at some
00:47:22
point once Joe dies, you turn around, you play the game is
00:47:25
happy. And I just kind of felt like,
00:47:27
OK, so they're showing us everything from Ellie's point of
00:47:30
view to get us to kind, you know, kind of be on her side.
00:47:32
Oh, yeah, this chick came in, she killed Joe.
00:47:34
We're outraged, blah, blah blah, but it's similar to what we
00:47:38
talked about when we're discussing The Walking Dead with
00:47:41
the whole Negan versus Rick thing.
00:47:43
It's like if we had started following the character Megan
00:47:47
from the Here's Megan episode with his wife at the start of
00:47:51
the zombie apocalypse going to when he and Rick's group meet.
00:47:56
What? We feel more sympathy towards
00:47:58
Megan as opposed to Rick because let's be honest, we've had this
00:48:02
conversation, you know, Rick's group kind of came in and killed
00:48:06
a whole bunch of Nigga's people, you know, unprovoked for them at
00:48:11
least. So it was kind of interesting
00:48:13
because I'm like, OK, they're they're giving us Ellie's point
00:48:16
of view and then they're going to give us Abby's.
00:48:18
And now, you know, with Season 3, we know they're going to be
00:48:21
following Abby. We know that they're going to
00:48:24
use the same Seattle day one, day 2, day three format that
00:48:28
they did with Ellie. But I feel like the show, again,
00:48:32
is maybe trying to get the viewers more emotionally
00:48:39
involved with the characters because of the changes that we
00:48:42
saw with Ellie this season. I think they're going to do the
00:48:45
same thing with Abby. It's like, OK, yeah, we hate her
00:48:48
because she killed Joel, but let's try to see if we can get
00:48:52
you guys to soften towards her. We're going to show you what her
00:48:55
days are like after this happens.
00:48:58
And I just feel like that's how they're going to try to draw us
00:49:01
in to make us be like, OK, well, maybe Abby's not as bad.
00:49:04
Because like Jason said, when you think about it, OK, you went
00:49:08
in there, you shot up a hospital and you killed her dad because
00:49:11
you didn't want to let this child go.
00:49:13
Yes, I I understand that part. But when you think about it, in
00:49:18
those times, Abby had every reason to go and do what she did
00:49:21
to Joe. But of course, because we like
00:49:24
the character, we spent time with that character, we feel we
00:49:27
feel more of the outrage because of that.
00:49:30
So, yeah, I just, the the whole Abby thing, it's like I was
00:49:36
sitting, I won't necessarily say on pins and needles the entire
00:49:41
season, but it's almost like you're waiting for her to come
00:49:44
around the corner. But I feel like if they had done
00:49:47
that, you know, included her more in the in the second
00:49:50
season, we probably would have seen more of that video game
00:49:54
version of Ellie. You know, I think it would have
00:49:57
been more of a cat and mouse game at that point.
00:50:01
So. And while you mentioned Abby's
00:50:04
side gamers, were you happy that you didn't have to see Alice
00:50:10
this time? You remember Alice?
00:50:14
Alice, give me a quick refresh. Alice is Abby's dog.
00:50:19
Oh. Stop it.
00:50:23
Wait, I was so happy with not to see.
00:50:25
You talked about the dogs last time too, didn't?
00:50:27
We we can't. Remember.
00:50:30
What's the deal with the dogs because they didn't show the dog
00:50:34
in? In this.
00:50:35
In this season, yeah, I. Don't know but were y'all?
00:50:38
Happy too, not to see Alice. I was happy not to see Alice.
00:50:42
Didn't we see her though? No no, I was rewatching the game
00:50:46
recently so it's a little. Yeah, that happened.
00:50:48
I had to stop playing the game because I started confusing the
00:50:50
game with the with the with the the show.
00:50:55
But I don't know, I was relieved not to see not to see Alice,
00:50:58
Right. OK, So is Alice some something I
00:51:02
should be worried about? She's a good girl.
00:51:04
Alice is a good girl, She. Was a good girl.
00:51:09
No, she still is she? Still is, still is.
00:51:13
So I also have a question for the game as to do y'all really
00:51:17
think they're going to be able to fit the the whole this is
00:51:20
even like halfway through the game?
00:51:22
Do you think they can fit I've. Been wondering.
00:51:24
I've been wondering how they're going.
00:51:26
To I really think I really think that they were only given two
00:51:29
seasons, but I think if the but I think if the next season does
00:51:34
better, I think they will actually renew it.
00:51:37
But then again, I feel like with what they put in in that later
00:51:41
half, which is more action oriented.
00:51:44
Now that now I think about it, it's kind of is more action
00:51:46
oriented than the than the first than the first half of it, like
00:51:49
the first half, the first quarter of the game, because if
00:51:52
I'm not mistaken, this is literally like only two or
00:51:55
three, three to four hours into the game.
00:51:58
No, not even not even because the game is 40 hours.
00:52:01
So this this like a small portion.
00:52:04
Yes, the game is 40 hours. The game The game is 40 hours
00:52:10
and. Is Abby section more action
00:52:13
oriented? Yeah, Abby section more action.
00:52:16
Actually, I don't think it is because what they did was they
00:52:19
take out a lot of the action. Well, right, Well, no.
00:52:24
So I think it's a lot it's but you might be right, it's a lot
00:52:28
less action. But compared to Abby's portion
00:52:31
of the game, it is more on a grander scale.
00:52:35
Like a lot of the action set pieces are are low.
00:52:37
My like gravatized then then Ellie seems because Ellie seems
00:52:43
it's just more of her being Jason with the wig on.
00:52:49
Right. I see what you're saying because
00:52:52
Abby, Abby is in the middle of that of the war with the with
00:52:56
the Seraphites. Yeah.
00:52:58
So it and other. Yeah, so that's so too.
00:53:03
So that's why I say I really think that they're going that
00:53:07
they're just putting all of Abby's stuff in that second
00:53:10
season because they know that this will get people wanting to
00:53:14
watch the show more. And it'll also give the the
00:53:18
it'll give HBO like confidence that they can, that they can put
00:53:23
on a strong third and probably final season.
00:53:27
And then who knows, maybe hopefully within this amount of
00:53:30
time frame, Neil Drucken be like, you know what?
00:53:33
I'm going to do another game. Know what?
00:53:37
We were talking about that. We already got the rumors.
00:53:40
There's recent rumors right now. Anthony told us about some
00:53:44
rumors and I looked him up and it's like people have been
00:53:47
talking about it the last few days.
00:53:49
I'm just saying like, you know, maybe that in my perfect world,
00:53:52
that that's how I see. That's how I see.
00:53:55
OK, do you think 7 episodes was enough to tell the story that
00:54:01
they told this season or do you think they should have?
00:54:03
Because I don't know why they they gave us only 7 episodes.
00:54:06
Last season What season was was it 8?
00:54:09
Or Oh no, I think last season might have been 9.
00:54:12
Although I. Can Fact Check it real quick.
00:54:16
Yeah, it was more than this season.
00:54:18
Yeah, it was definitely more. And I, I, I kind of feel they
00:54:21
shortchanged this in that way because I did feel like there
00:54:26
could have been a little more story told.
00:54:29
And you know, I, I've heard, or I think I've read 1 potential
00:54:35
synopsis for next season. I do know that we probably will
00:54:40
be seeing Joel again because they are going to do some
00:54:43
flashback stuff. I know that we're supposed to
00:54:46
get some Tommy and Jesse sings, which if I'm not mistaken, I've,
00:54:50
I've read that just was kind of a tertiary character in the
00:54:54
game. He didn't really have a lot to
00:54:56
do. So they kind of flesh his
00:54:57
character out more for the show. But I hear we're going to get
00:55:01
some of that. Of course, we're going to get
00:55:02
the Abby stuff. We're probably going to see
00:55:06
Owen, Mel and Nora again. Because if they're doing the
00:55:09
Abby, you know, day one, day 2, day three, we have to figure out
00:55:14
what happened with them to kind of get them where they were.
00:55:18
Because, you know, Mel and Owen, we're kind of arguing with each
00:55:22
other about whether they should go to Abby or not, you know,
00:55:25
for, for whatever reason. So I'm, I'm sure they're going
00:55:28
to show us those reasons. But I did feel like there should
00:55:32
have been a little bit more in the season, but that they
00:55:36
couldn't get to it because it was only 7 episodes.
00:55:39
And I don't know what they're doing for season 3, but it's
00:55:41
like we, we complain about this all the time on the show.
00:55:45
Stop giving us these short ass seasons.
00:55:47
You know, six hours is not enough to tell a full story.
00:55:53
I get I'm practically like I agree with it because of how
00:55:57
they paste it and where where the stopping point was because
00:56:00
like I said, I was like, this isn't even halfway through the
00:56:04
like most of this show was like like the follow second season,
00:56:07
not even halfway, barely 1/4 way through the game.
00:56:10
So it made sense. Like I saw this being 7 and then
00:56:13
plus the way how things ended and like and like people
00:56:17
expectation. I feel like they want to leave
00:56:20
it right here at cliffhanger. I thought they were going to
00:56:23
leave it somewhere else. Honestly, I I I I thought it was
00:56:27
going to be a certain scene where I where I was just like,
00:56:30
damn, that was that was quick. But but when they end here,
00:56:36
like, you know what, that kind of makes sense because it's a
00:56:39
Moat. It's a like, it's an, it's an
00:56:41
emotional weight behind that because you're going to really,
00:56:44
because then you're going to be thinking like, damn, what's Abby
00:56:47
going to do when she figures this out?
00:56:50
So I think it was smart. I think like writing wise, smart
00:56:55
money wise, even smarter because why not?
00:56:59
So. OK, what's the thing that you
00:57:03
hated the most about the season as a gamer?
00:57:07
They got hated the most. That was a game that look, I
00:57:11
just wanted to see somebody blow up, OK, because by that time I'm
00:57:15
blowing I'm blowing a lot of people up and I also want to see
00:57:19
somebody blow it. It was the first few of them
00:57:22
were very chain to what I did within the first three hours of
00:57:26
the game. I was over.
00:57:28
I was going to see some. I am violent, but I I guess also
00:57:37
one thing I didn't like was like how the how they doing Jesse
00:57:43
even like Jesse, whatever, But I I do feel like they should have
00:57:46
probably did more scenes with Jesse because when they rebuild
00:57:50
that bombshell, if I was just somebody just watching the show,
00:57:53
like girl, you a hoe, you a hoe. But but but in the game, they
00:58:01
let it be known. Yeah, Jesse and and Dina had a
00:58:04
thing, but we watching the show like wait, so where are you
00:58:08
fucking off at? Because they made it seem like
00:58:12
her and Ellie were always together in the show.
00:58:15
So you got to think like, when do you have time to to be with
00:58:19
Jesse? In the show, they made it a
00:58:23
little bit more. Because in the show it was like
00:58:26
3 months later, yeah, before they had that meeting, like his
00:58:30
stuff. And I think that they were
00:58:31
implying that Dina's got with him during that period of time.
00:58:34
Yeah, because remember in the show, Ellie was in the hospital
00:58:38
for a large. Amount of time.
00:58:42
No, because even at the beginning it was.
00:58:45
It was already established that Dana and Jesse had been together
00:58:49
and then they kind of broke up. And then, you know, when when
00:58:53
they're on their way to Seattle, she says something to to Dina.
00:58:58
She was like, well, you could just get back with Jesse.
00:59:00
She was like, I already did. Because at that point, Dina is
00:59:04
kind of denying what she feels for Ellie or she's kind of,
00:59:08
she's testing the waters out to see how Ellie feels and.
00:59:14
Yeah, so it's like I. Think if anything, you would
00:59:17
probably think that more of Jesse because she had Dina only
00:59:22
had a crush on Ellie, but Jesse sat there and and made the
00:59:27
admission to Ellie. Yeah, there was this girl who
00:59:30
came with that group from Alberta.
00:59:32
Best two weeks of my life. Oh, excuse me, Sir.
00:59:36
And enough for you to consider moving to Canada with her.
00:59:40
Oh, OK. She lit your ass on fire.
00:59:42
But I mean, you know, I guess. It was more, I guess it was just
00:59:47
more of they were more telling this showing like they like they
00:59:51
told about the like, you know, their past, like at least like
00:59:55
in the game. I, I still felt like, oh, OK.
00:59:58
Like they're like, like, you know, there was some there with
01:00:02
each other, but they're just cordial together.
01:00:04
Like here. Also, I, I just feel like there
01:00:07
wasn't really any chemistry between that, between the Jesse
01:00:10
actor and Dina. I honestly, I just, I, I just
01:00:14
didn't feel it. But but then again, Dina, also,
01:00:18
you said that she was testing the waters.
01:00:20
I think she dipped her whole damn leg in that motherfucker
01:00:23
because she she was she, she was, she was not subtle at all.
01:00:31
Well, I've I've already just said.
01:00:34
Ellie was just stupid. Very well though, Ellie was.
01:00:37
Ellie was just stupid. She don't pick up social cues
01:00:43
very well. We've already had this
01:00:44
discussion. But I think the thing with Jesse
01:00:48
and Dana, I, I won't say that I didn't feel chemistry.
01:00:52
I felt that there was something there with them.
01:00:54
But it's, it's kind of the way he described it to Ellie.
01:00:57
He said, I love her. I just don't love her the way
01:01:01
you love her. And that's exactly how I felt
01:01:03
it. Like I, I felt that he cared
01:01:06
about her. I felt that he felt protective
01:01:08
of her, especially once he realized that she might be
01:01:11
pregnant. Like he really did put on the
01:01:14
oh, OK, yeah, you can't go nowhere.
01:01:16
You need to go sit down. He pulled that type of behavior.
01:01:20
But yeah, I didn't read it as, oh, my God, this is the love of
01:01:24
my life and how it. This is going to be awkward.
01:01:26
Jesse was so chill about the whole thing.
01:01:28
He was like, look, I don't love her the way you love her.
01:01:30
I see how y'all look at each other.
01:01:32
I'm, you know, even back in Jackson after New Year's, when
01:01:39
when Ellie said something to to him about the kiss, he was like,
01:01:43
I don't care. It's it's fine.
01:01:45
You know, he was like, I think it's wrong.
01:01:47
I, I think it's, you know, screwed up that you did that,
01:01:49
but OK, because I think he knew that that wasn't the person for
01:01:54
him. So yeah, it was OK.
01:01:58
I have another question. SO was the sudden impact of
01:02:03
Jesse's death in the game as impactful as it is in the show?
01:02:07
It's exactly the same, pretty much.
01:02:09
Not have to shoot him in the face well.
01:02:12
It's. That.
01:02:13
But did it. But did it but didn't feel the
01:02:15
same because I feel like in the show they were kind of like
01:02:18
giving us like a mountain of Jesse in two episodes.
01:02:21
Yeah. Well.
01:02:25
Let's see, the only difference I think in the game is that Jesse
01:02:29
is Jesse finds them sooner than they do in the game than in the
01:02:34
show because they had already. Let's see what I have in my
01:02:38
notes, OK? Because in the game they met
01:02:42
Jesse before they met Nora in the game at the hospital.
01:02:45
So Jesse was around for a little bit longer in the game.
01:02:48
So he wasn't, but it still wasn't that much longer.
01:02:51
Yeah, because they they met him before.
01:02:53
Well, yeah, they met him before. They met Nora in the show, too.
01:02:57
But Dina had taken the arrow to the leg, so Jesse had to leave
01:03:02
and take her back to the theater, and then Ellie
01:03:04
continued to the hospital around.
01:03:07
Oh, that's. How they did it in the show.
01:03:09
Yeah, yeah, Dina. Got.
01:03:11
They're just all little differences and stuff.
01:03:13
Yeah, Dina got hurt earlier in the game.
01:03:16
So Dina didn't do a lot of traveling with Ellie in Seattle
01:03:20
in the game because she had already got injured and they had
01:03:23
figured out that she was pregnant.
01:03:25
So Dina was the guy at the chair.
01:03:28
Oh, OK. OK, she's a good one.
01:03:31
And she is, because she is very smart, so.
01:03:33
Oh yeah. Yeah, she's.
01:03:35
Not talked about that she she was like Oracle for Batman.
01:03:38
Right. Yeah.
01:03:40
Yeah, but also, I do want to say one thing.
01:03:42
I am mad about how they did things.
01:03:44
There's one scene with Jesse because it's it's one.
01:03:47
It's like the scene, the subway. It is the most tentful scene
01:03:51
ever because you were surrounded by by these by these zombies is
01:03:57
clicking and you having to fight them off until Jesse saves you.
01:04:02
Now I'm just like, well, that can't happen.
01:04:04
I mean, listen, you know, Jesse come back from the dead, but I
01:04:07
don't think you can mend a bullet to the face.
01:04:10
I mean, you could try, but I don't think it's going to
01:04:13
happen. But I was mad about.
01:04:15
Us. They showed us that view of his
01:04:17
face on purpose because they wanted us to know he was dead.
01:04:22
When I watched that and and saw the face and saw the the bullet
01:04:26
hole and the blunt, I said, oh, they just Downton Abbey to me,
01:04:30
because this is the same way they killed Matthew.
01:04:34
They made sure they we saw his face, his eyes were opened, the
01:04:38
blood coming out because they wanted us to know he dead.
01:04:41
Dead not. Coming back from this.
01:04:43
Yeah, exactly. I really, I really think Neil
01:04:46
Druckman just hated Jesse's character because I'm talking
01:04:50
about he ain't getting no grand death.
01:04:53
He like turned. He just turned it's.
01:04:56
Almost disrespectful. I felt very disrespectful, very
01:05:02
much so. I was like, hold up.
01:05:04
Like, first of all, I'm already mad because it's the one Asian
01:05:08
character on the show, and then he goes out the way.
01:05:12
Yeah, I felt very disrespected, like justice for Jesse.
01:05:16
Hopefully we do get him in the third season because I I think
01:05:21
the actor who plays him was great.
01:05:24
It's like he's one of those characters where he's not very
01:05:28
outwardly emotional. You know, he's very kind of
01:05:32
droll and very kind of laid back.
01:05:33
But he communicates everything he needs to in his, you know, in
01:05:39
his voice and his facial expressions.
01:05:41
It's kind of like you can hear the little humor.
01:05:43
You can see the seriousness. And he doesn't really have to
01:05:47
change much much. You just kind of feel that shift
01:05:50
within his person. So I hope we get to see more of
01:05:54
him in the next season. But what was the other question
01:05:58
I had? Oh, tell me about the what?
01:06:02
What do they call them? The smart, the smart clickers,
01:06:05
the stalkers. Stalkers his men was like, Nope,
01:06:08
don't want to talk about them. Are they as scary in in the game
01:06:12
as they are here? Because that first one, when it
01:06:15
was stalking Ellie, I was sitting on the couch with my
01:06:19
feet up and my knees pulled up. I was like no, no, no that.
01:06:24
Was scary. They're not supposed to do that.
01:06:28
They they do catch you from behind a lot in the game, like
01:06:33
you will see them and they will scatter and then they do like to
01:06:37
come around and come and get and try to get you from the back.
01:06:41
So yeah, you got to watch out for them.
01:06:43
Luckily, though, a good shotgun takes them down fast.
01:06:48
I'm. Wondering how it's going to come
01:06:49
up later though, because it's not like it's a plot point or
01:06:52
anything of the show or of the game or anything.
01:06:55
So I'm wondering how they're going to bring that back in the
01:06:57
show. Like what scene is going to be
01:06:59
very impactful of it? OK, OK.
01:07:03
And we see them early in the TV show.
01:07:05
Like Ellie was not fighting a a a stalker in during that time.
01:07:12
Ellie would have died in the supermarket.
01:07:14
Scene. Yeah.
01:07:15
So yeah, they come, they come in later in Seattle.
01:07:21
OK, OK. Plus.
01:07:24
There's actually two more two more types of the of the zombies
01:07:29
that we. Didn't we?
01:07:30
Didn't. Get to see the Shamblers and the
01:07:34
Rat King. Yeah, somebody posted a, someone
01:07:38
shared, I guess it was like a poster of the different clicker
01:07:43
types. And I saw this poster and I sent
01:07:46
it to Anthony and I was like, Nope, 'cause I was already
01:07:49
looking at the stalkers like no, I'm, I'm so sorry because you
01:07:53
get you get this idea in your mind.
01:07:56
Season 1. Oh, they can't see, they can
01:08:00
only hear. So you got to be quiet.
01:08:02
These stalkers are like, fuck you and your silence.
01:08:05
I'm going to come get you. And I was just like, no, no, no,
01:08:10
those things, no. How did you guys feel about the
01:08:17
introduction of sports? You know what?
01:08:19
You took my question. That was literally going to be
01:08:23
my question. Word for where we are reading
01:08:25
each other's minds, Sir. I was really confused about how
01:08:28
they brought it on only because like in the game, the way that
01:08:33
Dina finds out. Well, one in the game, Ellie
01:08:37
told Dina that she was immune way before like before any of
01:08:42
the infection risk. Like it stopped.
01:08:44
So Dina did not react the same way that she did in the show
01:08:48
like at all. Because Dina already had that
01:08:50
piece of information where she was like, oh you were telling
01:08:53
the truth Like it stopped. But it was kind of confusing
01:08:57
because the scene in the the scene in the game, at least mask
01:09:03
breaks and there were then they were in sports.
01:09:05
And and so that's how Dina found out and she thought she had
01:09:09
breathed in the spores. And it was kind of weird because
01:09:11
they didn't do that in the show. But the very next episode is
01:09:15
when they decide to introduce spores.
01:09:18
So and kind of sports. Have been there since the
01:09:21
beginning. Of the game.
01:09:23
So we were already used to spores.
01:09:25
So, you know, they, they just introduced them later.
01:09:30
So that scene made my skin itch. Yeah.
01:09:37
Because I and, and I think if I'm not mistaken, all of that
01:09:40
was practical as far as what was on the walls.
01:09:44
What all of that was practical wasn't CGI.
01:09:46
Like, they literally went in and built this and painted it.
01:09:51
And I was just like sitting there, just skin crawling, like,
01:09:56
and then she's just walking so calmly through it.
01:10:00
And then when she sees the guy and he's literally breathing the
01:10:03
spores out at her and she's just looking like, oh, that's
01:10:07
interesting. It's like, no, this this show
01:10:12
has has ways of making your skin crawl that I didn't think were
01:10:17
possible. It's just OK, OK.
01:10:23
Well, you know, my thought was like, OK, they're all over her
01:10:25
clothes, so what's going to happen when she goes back to
01:10:28
this? Oh, it's raining.
01:10:31
She's outside and it's raining. So we.
01:10:33
Don't have to everybody give her her.
01:10:34
Clothes. I never think about that.
01:10:37
Yeah. Because even with I.
01:10:40
Think about those things. She didn't even get, she didn't
01:10:43
even get a chance to tell them about that, did she?
01:10:46
No. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:10:48
Anthony, to reuse your line. I think you're giving the
01:10:50
writers too much credit. I think that rain thing is a
01:10:52
reach. I just don't think they thought
01:10:54
about that. I'll.
01:10:56
I'll take that criticism. Well, to be honest, I mean to be
01:11:01
honest, like sports, it never made sense to me in the game
01:11:04
either because after in the first, in the.
01:11:07
So if we're going by scientific logic, the the minute that Ellie
01:11:12
and Joel would have got out of the spores and then Joel took
01:11:15
off his mask and Ellie smelled like funky spores, he would have
01:11:20
breathed. He would have breathed.
01:11:22
The virus itself does not make sense like in the game.
01:11:25
That's my biggest gripe. The virus in the game does not
01:11:28
make sense because they they, they solidified that it's in the
01:11:34
air. So it's like, OK, so Dole, so
01:11:37
Dole just breathing in spore just just for dookie, right,
01:11:41
just for dookie dust then he fine.
01:11:44
OK, so that's. Why?
01:11:47
I liked what they did in the first season and I was like, oh,
01:11:50
they changed it, but it makes sense, so.
01:11:52
Right. And I was OK to let that go.
01:11:54
So it's kind of weird for it to come back in.
01:11:56
I mean, yeah, that's why I I mean, at that point it was just
01:11:59
something that was there. Like I said, they probably
01:12:01
pulled in a curator. Yama forgot they wrote that
01:12:04
shit. Say, you know what, we spend
01:12:05
enough money, just leave the shit in.
01:12:07
It ain't that big. I I thought they just brought
01:12:10
the spores because they needed to to do the scene from the game
01:12:15
with Nora so. Oh yeah, that too.
01:12:17
They had to have they. Had to have the spores, you
01:12:20
know? So that was that was from the
01:12:22
game as well, the way that she that whole confrontation
01:12:25
happened, yeah. That was pretty close.
01:12:28
Pretty. Close to that.
01:12:30
OK. Was there anything that happened
01:12:34
in the game within this confine? You know, not not talking from
01:12:39
Abby's point of view, because we're not going to get to that
01:12:41
yet, but is there anything that happened in the game that they
01:12:44
didn't put in the show that you wish they would have?
01:12:50
Jason said yes. Yeah.
01:12:55
What you could, I mean, you could tell it I mean.
01:12:57
Well, I touched on it before. Spoiler like.
01:13:00
Well, no, because he. No, because Jesse did they're.
01:13:03
Going to bring If they're going to bring him back next season
01:13:08
for flashbacks, it might put. Because they already said that,
01:13:14
that they met them at a certain Jesse met Ellie at a certain
01:13:17
point. Now that can't happen because
01:13:19
like I said, Jesse did like he ain't come back.
01:13:22
So it's a scene in the neighborhood where Ellie it's
01:13:26
it's like one of the I'm pretty sure that the group remember
01:13:29
it's one of the very like the handful of chases, like runners
01:13:34
and clickers and stalkers chasing you.
01:13:37
It's a scene where you were in where you were in the car.
01:13:40
You driving Ellie. Ellie can't drive for shit.
01:13:44
I've I've just every every scene that she drives.
01:13:47
She just can't drive for shit. So she crashes the car and the
01:13:51
car, I think I want to say it's upside down.
01:13:54
And so you're having to shoot off zombies that are coming at
01:13:59
you fast as hell, depending on what difficulty you are
01:14:01
crawling, coming through the sides.
01:14:04
And you feel that anxious feeling.
01:14:05
And then Jesse saves you at the last minute.
01:14:08
OK. That can happen because, you
01:14:11
know, Jesse's the one that need to save in.
01:14:15
Neil Druckman hates Jesse. I really think he does because I
01:14:19
thought. Now that you mentioned that that
01:14:22
scene, I wonder if that's why they that that must be the
01:14:25
Easter egg that they put in the flashback scene when Ellie is
01:14:29
trying to figure out what Joe got her and she said, is it a
01:14:32
convertible? He was like, what are you going
01:14:34
to do with a convertible? Rash that motherfucker.
01:14:41
What about you, Ben or Carlos? Was there anything in the in the
01:14:44
game that they didn't include in the show that you would have
01:14:47
liked to have seen? I think I would have liked to
01:14:51
have seen, well, because of Eugene's plot line, it changed
01:14:54
up a few things. So I would have liked to seen
01:14:57
Dina and Ellie have found Eugene's stash and for it to
01:15:01
have gone the way it did in the game.
01:15:03
Because I feel like the way it was in the game was very
01:15:05
magical, very great, and it was a very like they.
01:15:09
Must have got real high. They got high, they did a bunch
01:15:13
of stuff like this stuff, but it's the conversation that
01:15:15
happened to them. And it was also the fact that
01:15:18
Ellie was having such a nice time before, like while Joel was
01:15:22
dying, like his stuff. And I feel like that scene, it
01:15:25
just felt better to me in the game, the way they handled that.
01:15:28
But because of Eugene's whole one, it didn't go as quite like
01:15:32
the game. Oh that's how we know.
01:15:34
I've totally figured. Eugene is literally the plot
01:15:36
device for them to get weed. I forget, I think this is.
01:15:40
What I've been growing. I didn't remember Eugene because
01:15:43
like I don't remember seeing Eugene physically, but then I'll
01:15:47
but then we brought all like just.
01:15:48
Pictured in the game. Oh, yeah, like, oh, he just had
01:15:50
weed. Oh, OK.
01:15:54
W Eugene, man. W Eugene.
01:15:58
OK. So are you guys satisfied with
01:16:03
the way that they're handling the Abbey part of the story,
01:16:07
like waiting towards the end and giving us what may possibly be
01:16:12
an entire season just from her point of view?
01:16:15
Or do you feel the way you felt in the game when you were forced
01:16:17
to play her? Like man, if this be I don't, I
01:16:20
don't, I don't want to know her story.
01:16:22
I don't care. Well.
01:16:26
It's not going to be the entire season thankfully.
01:16:29
But no, I think it was probably right for them to push off her
01:16:35
her part because I know a lot of people stopped playing the game
01:16:38
after Joel died and then you go immediately into Abby.
01:16:40
Like my brother stopped playing the game entirely.
01:16:43
So they probably maybe wanted to avoid that.
01:16:46
But I'm down for it. I'm ready.
01:16:48
I don't know how other people will feel for it, but I don't
01:16:51
hate Abby. Boo.
01:16:55
You're wrong, Ben. You got another answer.
01:16:58
The stories like if you're, you're, you're on the right
01:17:01
track earlier. Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I'm very
01:17:05
interested to see it from her point of view because like I
01:17:08
said, I understand. I totally understand why she did
01:17:11
what she did to Joel if it was me and that was my dad.
01:17:14
Especially if you don't know the wise, then yeah, because it's
01:17:19
kind of like, OK, my dad is a doctor.
01:17:21
Like who would want to harm one of the possibly last living
01:17:25
doctors in in this type of world?
01:17:28
Like it makes no sense. So for her to go and do the
01:17:31
revenge the way she did, I understand it.
01:17:34
I also, I also feel a little bit irritated by the way it happened
01:17:41
because when she has the confrontation with Joel and and
01:17:46
she, you know, basically it's like, yeah, you did this da, da,
01:17:49
da. And he says, but I just saved
01:17:52
your life. And she says, what life?
01:17:54
And she shoots him. And it kind of starts that
01:17:56
thing. Then you have that same line
01:17:58
repeated later on in the season when she and Ellie are, you
01:18:05
know, confronting each other. She's looking like, I let you go
01:18:11
and and you wasted it. And even with Owen, Owen was
01:18:14
like, hey, I was the one that that that kept you alive,
01:18:18
remember? And Ellie is like, but you still
01:18:21
made me sit there and watch while she killed my I mean it.
01:18:24
She's basically inflicting the same pain.
01:18:27
You killed my dad. I'm going to kill yours.
01:18:29
So yeah, it would make sense that Ellie comes after you, even
01:18:33
as it made sense that Abby came after Joel.
01:18:36
So I'm, I'm curious to see how that's going to play out because
01:18:40
I think now, especially with Jesse's death happening in front
01:18:45
of her, this is not the second person Ellie has had to watch
01:18:49
literally die in her face by the same person.
01:18:53
Whatever Ellie wasn't in season 2 as far as you know, being big
01:18:59
badass. I'm on a singular killing spree.
01:19:03
I have a feeling now we're going to get it because at this point
01:19:07
she's lost too much now, you know, But I'm curious to see it.
01:19:13
I and, and the whole thing with Tommy, I need to see that
01:19:18
version of Tommy. I need to see John Wick Tommy.
01:19:20
I need to see what version of Tommy had the, the wolves kind
01:19:24
of, you know, pinned down to where they couldn't go anywhere
01:19:28
because he was sniping at him. I need to see that version of
01:19:31
Tommy. So OK, the Wolves versus the
01:19:37
Sarah fights. How did you guys feel about the
01:19:40
way that they put this story in? Do you feel like we got enough?
01:19:43
Do you feel like we didn't get enough?
01:19:47
What are your thoughts? Because all of y'all were like
01:19:50
oh. I've been just waiting to talk
01:19:52
about Isaac. Oh, hey, man, shout out to
01:19:57
Jeffrey Wright. Man, I'm so glad they got him to
01:20:00
play Yeah in this show. No, I like the scene and I like,
01:20:04
I like the new scene that they added of his origin story of him
01:20:07
becoming the leader. Like that's a new scene and I
01:20:09
really like that, even though it's messed up as it was, but.
01:20:15
It's so Isaac, it is so interesting because when you see
01:20:19
him, you you can kind of see the switch.
01:20:22
You can see that he's kind of disgusted with the way these
01:20:25
soldiers are acting with their mindset.
01:20:27
And when he turns around and he just looks at them and throws
01:20:31
the grenade and closes the door, like there is no expression on
01:20:34
his face. And I was like, oh, this is
01:20:37
somebody we don't want to mess with.
01:20:38
He turned it off next. Thing you see him literally
01:20:43
talking about cooking and how he used that to impress girls and
01:20:47
and with the copper pots and then you turn around and you see
01:20:50
what he's I was just like, hold up.
01:20:53
This man is so screwed up like I don't know am I supposed to like
01:20:57
him? Am I supposed to not like him?
01:20:58
Am I supposed to be I I still don't know how I'm supposed to
01:21:02
feel about his character yet, But I think that's the one good
01:21:05
thing about this whole wolves and seraphites conflict, because
01:21:09
you see the error on both sides. So it's kind of like I don't
01:21:12
want either one of y'all like y'all can wipe each other out as
01:21:15
far as I can, you know, care 'cause y'all are crazy.
01:21:18
All of y'all y'all are crazy. Like Jesse said, this isn't our
01:21:22
war. Right, exactly.
01:21:26
Like, and, and I think trying to trying to look at it from
01:21:31
Ellie's point of view, you know, Ellie is already coming into
01:21:34
this with prejudice against the wolves.
01:21:38
You know, she's coming into Seattle.
01:21:40
She knows Abby is part of the wolves.
01:21:41
This group is, you know, this group that was there are part of
01:21:45
the wolves. So she's coming in.
01:21:46
She's saying the dead Sarah fights in the forest.
01:21:49
Oh, if that's what the wolves are capable of, they're bad,
01:21:51
blah, blah, blah. Then you come in and you see
01:21:53
what the Sarah fights are capable of.
01:21:55
And I'm like, in this instance, I kind of feel like the whole,
01:22:01
the, the comment that Isaac said he was like, I'm not here to
01:22:05
play your chicken, you know, chicken versus egg.
01:22:09
Which one came first game? All y'all crazy all all y'all
01:22:14
just, I, I don't know Tommy just need to come in and wipe all of
01:22:18
them off so they can go home They're just but I mean, is it
01:22:23
that crazy in the games like with them hanging them in the.
01:22:27
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You looking like you and paying
01:22:31
you like oh. Yeah, yeah.
01:22:34
Because like, it's kind of out of favor.
01:22:37
They show a scene of the ACT happening and I'm just like, oh,
01:22:42
that looks so painful. I watched that scene just like
01:22:45
this. I I don't, I don't do intestines
01:22:50
and hooks. Well, that reminds me too much
01:22:52
of candy, man. I can't.
01:22:57
I was watching that scene like, Nope, Nope.
01:23:00
That's when I would have turned around and went home.
01:23:02
You see all these people hanging with their intestines.
01:23:07
Out. You know what?
01:23:09
I don't need to know nothing about y'all.
01:23:11
I don't need to try to save none of y'all.
01:23:13
I don't need to know who pissed who off 1st and and why no.
01:23:19
I think that's right. I think we introduced the
01:23:21
certified early, don't they they?
01:23:23
Did, yeah. They did it, yeah, pretty early,
01:23:25
yes. Yeah, it was surprising.
01:23:28
Yeah, I I don't understand when they first saw those people
01:23:32
hanging with their intestines out.
01:23:35
I'm like Hanukkah. You know what those good.
01:23:38
Let's go back, right? You know, there's really nothing
01:23:43
we can do to help him at this moment.
01:23:46
And he would be very pissed off at the fact that he killed 19
01:23:50
people to save my ass. And I'm sitting here getting
01:23:53
killed by these people because they want me to believe in their
01:23:58
their Oracle, their prophet. What?
01:24:00
Yeah, I don't. I don't need to know what's
01:24:02
going on between these two groups.
01:24:04
But if I see a bunch of people hanging up with intestines
01:24:07
hanging out, I don't. I don't leave this.
01:24:09
That's right. And.
01:24:11
Then if that wasn't enough, when you go through town and you see
01:24:16
a group of them or, or when you see a group of those same people
01:24:23
that are just kind of laid there dead and they're under a
01:24:27
taunting model, like no, y'all are too petty for me.
01:24:32
It's time to go. It's one thing to be petty and
01:24:34
trade insults. Y'all are being petty by trading
01:24:37
bodies. You know what?
01:24:41
But it's crazy. But one thing I do like, like
01:24:47
what what I like about the game is they I love like the world,
01:24:52
like the world, like the lore that you pick up as you going
01:24:55
along in the game. So since you're not, you know,
01:24:58
picking up like reading book book notes and shit throughout
01:25:01
the game, they actually have to give it to you at face value.
01:25:05
So I do like how they how they show, well, at least from the
01:25:08
scars or scars, their vice perspective.
01:25:11
Yeah, these are just actual, these are just people who found
01:25:15
solace in religion. That was their way of getting
01:25:18
through this. And they're and like, in their
01:25:21
mind, they're they're still like a loving community.
01:25:23
They're just having to protect their own.
01:25:25
It's just they are willing to do whatever is to protect their
01:25:27
own. So in my like, in my like in my
01:25:33
mind, it's like they they wanted to show empathy.
01:25:36
I don't know why they wanted to show empathy just towards them,
01:25:39
but they showed empathy towards the sacrifice with the little
01:25:42
girl. I was surprised.
01:25:44
I I was shocked. I saw a dead little girl on
01:25:46
screen. They don't normally they try not
01:25:48
to do that as often, but like they've, they've gotten very,
01:25:50
very bold with it over the years.
01:25:53
So I this. Is HBO.
01:25:55
We had Game of Thrones. Their children are not new to
01:25:58
them. Yeah.
01:25:59
So it was like it was nice that they're building the world and
01:26:04
they're like they're kind of giving you the background of
01:26:06
this war that that we're going to have to see in in Season 2.
01:26:10
So I'm excited about that because like, like like I said,
01:26:14
the second season is more grand, like it's more gravitized to it
01:26:17
then is then the then the first half because there's so much
01:26:22
conflicts going on at at that the same time.
01:26:26
But yeah, I really like the Sarah fights and I still yeah,
01:26:30
that's uncomfortable to watch. I don't want, I don't want
01:26:34
spaghetti no more. No, no.
01:26:37
Why? Did you have to say?
01:26:40
That no no no real spoilers but isn't there another group in the
01:26:44
game too? In another faction.
01:26:48
I think. So you know what I could say?
01:26:55
Yeah, but like I I like I said, I forgot.
01:26:57
Yeah, that's the end, end part of the game.
01:27:00
Yeah, but like I said, I I actually forgot about them
01:27:02
because like I said, I only see one thing when I play that game
01:27:05
that's red. So I don't know who was the
01:27:07
Seraphight who, who was WL 11? I I just, I thought they all
01:27:11
were the same. I'm, I'm sorry, Jason.
01:27:13
Is like dead, dead, dead. You die and you die.
01:27:17
He's. Like he's a hammer and
01:27:19
everything is a nail, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
01:27:21
Look, look, one time I go quiet. Why go quiet when I got some
01:27:26
dynamite in my hands? No, like in the, like in the
01:27:33
subway, do you? Do you remember when the wolves
01:27:36
were in the subway and in the sides were the runners and the
01:27:40
and the and the Clippers all the way in the subway and you're
01:27:44
hiding from both of them? I mean, I took a rock and threw
01:27:48
it right in the. Middle me too.
01:27:51
All those clickers came right in and they were shooting each
01:27:54
other. They were eating each other.
01:27:55
It was great. Well, one time I tried to do
01:27:58
what you did, but it bounced off the tip of the subway and
01:28:02
bounced back in. So question, Jason, you
01:28:08
mentioned, you mentioned something about Ellie and Jesse
01:28:12
in a subway scene. Is that was that supposed to be
01:28:16
the scene that we saw? No, I'm, I'm saying Ellie and
01:28:19
Jesse in the car. Oh, OK, OK.
01:28:21
Yeah, they were in the car. OK, OK, OK.
01:28:25
But yeah, the subway scene was kind of lackluster because like
01:28:29
I say, in in the in the game, it's a whole lot more tense.
01:28:33
Well, because one Dina slow as shit.
01:28:37
Dina Dina slow as shit. Oh.
01:28:39
My God. Like.
01:28:41
Yeah, Last time I played, Dina killed me.
01:28:43
I'm like Dina, Wait a minute. How did she kill?
01:28:47
Oh, she she killed you or she got you killed?
01:28:52
Yes. Got me Killed.
01:28:53
Caught me. She got me.
01:28:54
Killed. Because she wasn't moving fast
01:28:56
enough. No she killed me metaphorically
01:28:59
and physically because I got a glitch in the game where she was
01:29:02
supposed to climb over but she was fucking stuck so I could not
01:29:05
climb over it and I just had 5 clickers just chopped my ass up.
01:29:09
I was like. See, I would be mad if I played
01:29:12
this game. I was like, you know what?
01:29:14
No, I'm not. I quit.
01:29:16
It it gets very glitchy. One time I made Joe fly.
01:29:19
I, I don't know how, but he was just, he was just in the air.
01:29:26
That might have helped him in episode 2.
01:29:32
Is there anything that you guys want to bring up or want to talk
01:29:35
about before we end this show? Because I know this this season
01:29:39
had a lot going on and almost also not quite enough.
01:29:44
So any any last thoughts from you guys?
01:29:49
It's for the gamers. Are y'all glad y'all didn't have
01:29:51
to see the tutorial? Are you just having a snowball
01:29:55
fight? Yeah, this is.
01:29:57
The snowball fight. I hate the snowball fight.
01:30:00
Yeah, so in order to get you used to the mechanics of the
01:30:03
game, they literally just have you have a snowball fight with
01:30:08
kids. It it it was a waste of time.
01:30:10
Yeah, it. Was that might have been fun
01:30:13
before all of the tragedy in Jackson, like running a.
01:30:16
Little bit of fun, just. Playing some snowballs.
01:30:19
That's when they. Get attacked by 1000 clickers.
01:30:23
I would have got PTSD of how of the 15 minutes of my life that I
01:30:28
had to waste playing that play in that section.
01:30:36
OK. Any any any final final
01:30:38
thoughts, Anthony? I I have a quick question for
01:30:41
them. What are you most excited about
01:30:44
for next season? What that one thing I'm excited
01:30:49
about, I'm not going to say that.
01:30:50
I'm just going to say fire. That's all I'm going to say.
01:30:53
Fire and water. I can't wait.
01:30:56
I can't wait to see that scene. That yeah, I've been talking
01:31:00
about that scene. I've been wondering how it's
01:31:02
going to turn out a certain. I'm wondering if there's going
01:31:07
to be a certain plot plot line with the scars.
01:31:11
I can't say any more about it, but I'm wondering if they're
01:31:13
going to include that. I'd be disappointed.
01:31:16
If I'd be disappointed if they didn't, yeah, we can't really
01:31:20
talk about it next season much there's.
01:31:23
No spoilers, no spoilers, Last thing I just got to say, Alice
01:31:28
is a good girl. OK.
01:31:34
The best girl. I think we can go ahead and end
01:31:37
our show. I want to thank everyone for
01:31:40
coming on and having this very fun and spirited discussion.
01:31:44
If you are online, tell us where we can find you.
01:31:48
Let's start with Carlos. I'm I'm on TikTok Dragonborn
01:31:53
apostate. Yeah, go check him out.
01:31:56
He is hilarious, Jason. Oh well, you can find me on
01:32:01
Facebook, Instagram, I think I think it's still called X
01:32:07
whatever it's called. Find me there.
01:32:09
Also. Hey, I'm starting to do shows
01:32:11
from TikTok now, so you get to see me on TikTok, find me on
01:32:14
TikTok friendly neighborhood dreadhead and then you got my
01:32:17
brand, the popcorn page. Also on the side.
01:32:21
I love to make fun of megas and and do talk politics so come
01:32:27
join me. There.
01:32:28
Oh, you and Carlos will have a lot of fun together.
01:32:30
You. 'Cause they have a lot of fun
01:32:32
together. You need to check out Dragon.
01:32:34
The pot state. Yeah.
01:32:36
Then. I'm going to give you a follow
01:32:37
up call. No, you cannot find me online
01:32:40
just for my friends and family. OK, well in that case, well,
01:32:43
you'll just have to come watch this video to see her lovely
01:32:46
face and hear her opinions. Right, this is the only place
01:32:49
online you will find me we. Appreciate it.
01:32:52
We thank you so much and I thank you all for joining us on the
01:32:57
Phantom Hybrid podcast to talk about The Last of Us season 2.
01:33:00
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01:33:04
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01:33:10
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