#thelastofus #TLOU A routine patrol by the Wolves exposes a horrible new threat. Dina plots a risky path to get to Nora. The Wolves send a very deadly public message mocking the Seraphites. Dina encourages Ellie to stay the path by divulging a painful memory from her past. A deadly trap is set by a group of stalkers, but an unexpected savior saves the day. The true horror of the Seraphite faith is witnessed. Ellie finds more than her intended target when she is confronted by another evolution of Cordyceps.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and we are discussing season 2, episode 5
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of The Last of Us. I'm going to say it took me a
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minute to get through this episode.
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The first, the 1st 2025 minutes, it was just a lot of talking and
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a lot of like not so much action.
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And I was just getting to the point where I was like, can we
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go? Can we go?
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We only have this and two more episodes.
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We need to ramp it up and then. When it was up, it wasn't even
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exposition. Yeah.
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It was, it wasn't even really sad, but I will say the the cold
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open, I guess this will call the the very beginning.
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OK, now that got me interested because it was it's almost like
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it was set up to be like a horror episode because she's
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looking all nervous. She's like smoking a cigarette,
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you know, She just looks like she's just stressed out.
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Right. Which when we find out what's
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going on, it's like. Oh, yeah, Because she's like,
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oh, you know, we were on B2B1, you know, it was clear.
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No rats. OK, That should be typical.
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There's nothing there. And you know, I sent the squad
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down to B2. No, that's not typical.
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That's that's that's why it stood out because.
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Because there's no, there's nothing.
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You should at least have some rats or some kind of rodents, he
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said. There was nothing there.
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There's nothing. Nothing.
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There and the the lady, I can't remember what her name was.
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Hanaran. Hanaran, yes.
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She was the one that we met when we were introduced to Isaac.
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And she was like, yeah, they're talking about you.
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You know, you killed your team. You sent your team down there to
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die. And when she starts talking
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about it and she was like, yeah, I sent the team, including Leon.
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And it's like the whole room changed because the other chick
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was like Leon. Oh, shit.
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And I was like, OK, Leon is either her husband, her son or
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somebody that is like really, really close to her.
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But she said he was the best. She said he was my best soldier.
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She called he called her on the walkie and and was coughing and.
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Couldn't breathe. Couldn't breathe, I.
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Told her it's in the air, seal us off because they were.
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They're in the hospital in Seattle.
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They have three basement floors. She said, I sent the team down
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to B1. There was nothing there,
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absolutely nothing there. OK, they cleared it B2, she
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said. I caught, you know, call him on
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the radio. He was like, OK, everything
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looks OK for now. And then like a few minutes
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later, that's how quick it was. She was like, he couldn't
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breathe. And he he said it's in the air
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sealing in and and Hannah Ran is looking at her like.
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Great boy, what did? You just say, she said.
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It's in. The in the air.
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And she had to make a decision to shut her son down in the
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basement so that that wouldn't spread to the rest of the
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hospital and eventually to the city.
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Yeah, 'cause she's like, you wasn't in the vents, so say
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anybody you think it's like, Nope, it didn't spread, nothing,
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everybody's fine. Yeah.
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Seal it all off. Don't we tell me to know because
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that real. Because ain't nobody going to
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want to go in the hospital. No at all.
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At all. Like, OK, I understand you said
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you sealed it off because we even saw the way it looked when
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they sealed it off. Her other soldiers are looking
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like ain't too much else we can do.
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And Hannah Ran sits there and tells her she was like, she was
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like, well, as far as I'm concerned, you are a fucking
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hero and you will be commended as such.
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And then when she gets relieved, she was like, I'm sorry about
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your son. I was like, you know this.
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This brings me season 1 episode 2 vibes.
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When they were talking to the doctor and they were like, So
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what can we do? And she was like, bomb, bomb the
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city. That's that's kind of how it
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felt with this one. Like the stakes are that high.
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But OK, I'm not a science person.
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I don't really understand how this stuff works.
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It's been a while since I've had high school science or biology
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or whatever. So how is it that the spores are
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down there but they're not traveling through the vents?
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Because isn't that unusual? It's possible that the central,
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the union is not on. Oh, well, yeah, duh.
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OK. It's also possible that the
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filters are still good, the HVAC filters if it is on.
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OK, OK, because. This is more likely that the
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HVAC is not on. OK, because I was going to say,
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it's one thing to hear it's in the air.
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It's airborne at the beginning of the episode.
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And then when you get towards the end of the episode and Ellie
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is down there and you literally see the spores floating in the
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air, and when she sees the people who are who have been
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trapped, I mean, she does see the I think.
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That was Leon's team, yeah. And she sees someone else that
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could have been there. I was watching the After show.
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Some of those people have been down there probably for years.
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I was like, how? Because you saw it?
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Breathe in, breathe out is just stuff.
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And you do the puffs coming out of their mouth.
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I was like, I feel so gross watching it.
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So I there was a lot of me saying towards the end of this
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episode, like I said, the first part of the episode, I was just
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kind of like, OK, so we've established the relationship
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thing. Now they're kind of back to
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normal, which is, which is cool. But I was just like, it's just
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not moving fast. There's not enough happening.
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And I think part of that is I like the suspense of it, but
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also at the same time, I don't like the suspense of it.
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I told you I'm very funny when it comes to horror and when it
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comes to those types of things, I already know y'all are about
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to scare the shit out of me. Just go ahead and do it.
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Get it over with. You don't have to give me 20
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minutes of what, what, what are they about to do?
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You don't have to give me that. Just just go ahead and get it
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out the way. And and there was a lot of of
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extraneous stuff like Ellie going into the theater and
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playing the guitar, which here we go again, making all this
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noise. Well, OK, so about that part,
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that didn't bother me as much because obviously they've been
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in this theater now for 24 hours.
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They they pretty much know it's clear because that's where they
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spent the night right after Ellie got bit and they've been
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there. So for her to go around
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exploring while Dina, you know, the brain is figuring out all
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this stuff. I was like, OK.
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Dora. I think it was.
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I think it was interesting for me because we have to remember
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Ellie has never seen any of this stuff.
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So to kind of go through that space and look at her face and
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just kind of the wonder of it all.
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I'm fine. With that, it didn't bother me.
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I'm. Fine with that.
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And the, the part about her playing the guitar, it took on a
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different meaning this time because when she gets ready to
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start singing, she only says one lyric.
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And that was if something like if I knew I was going to lose
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you. And she stops and her face
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completely changes. And it's almost like, oh, I
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remember why I'm here now. And it's like for the rest of
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the episode, she's a little bit harder.
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She has a little more edge because it's almost like she has
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been reminded now that. OK, yeah, it's nice that, you
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know, Dina and I have figured this thing out.
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And we're making jokes about, you know, how much I don't know
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because I didn't go to school. But at the end of the day, This
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is why I'm here. I need to put on my serious
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face. And it was interesting to watch
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her transition into that because again, Bella Ramsey does a lot
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with their face. And you could see the
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progression of of the thoughts changing and of that, that click
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that light bulb moment. And I was just like, oh, OK,
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it's it's about to get serious now because she's like, OK, This
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is why I'm here, so let's go. And, and we did see a little bit
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of Ellie. I asked about the the revenge
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Ellie, just just just a little bit, I mean, before we get
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before we got to the horror section of the show, which we
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because she did kind of flip that switch where she was like,
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oh, no, you know what? We we don't have to do this.
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What am I doing? What are we doing?
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We can go back right now. And you know, Dora tells her
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story about the first person she killed.
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And then Ellie, she's like, well, I'll, I'll go with you or
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I'll keep going forward. Which one do Ellie is like go
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forward? Yeah.
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OK, here we go. There, there's, there's a little
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bit of that, that revenge of coming out.
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Because now she's, she's getting permission to, I guess in a
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sense, put her friend in danger because.
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To be reckless. She was yeah, like as they said,
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but you know, out that whole scene where they saw the
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Seraphytes just kind of piled up and shot up under the visage of
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the prophet where it says feel her love and and I guess some of
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the wolves were like, feel this bitch and put all of the dead
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bodies up under there. I think they both looked at that
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and they were like, oh, we are in way over our heads now.
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Like this is not just some revenge.
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Oh, let me go find this girl and and do this because I I was
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thinking about that this weekend.
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She doesn't even know for sure if Abby is in Seattle.
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She has no clue. The only clue she has was
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hearing Nora's name and. Knowing exactly where she was,
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yes, because apparently, yeah, apparently they don't.
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They don't really hide their transmissions because the only
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people you got to worry about don't use electricity.
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And I was like, oh, that's that. That's.
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Dangerous because you're you're basically taking your safety for
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granted. Yeah.
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And then you have someone like Ellie who is small enough to fit
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into crawl spaces and shit, and she she can get in and and get
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to you. But OK, we had to touch on these
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Sarah fights for a minute because I was not expecting what
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I saw in this episode from the Sarah fights.
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Like, yeah, I know we saw them stringing people up in the last
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episode, but they also tortured one of the Sarah fights, you
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know, Isaac did. So I'm just like, OK, tit for
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tat. That's just what it is.
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Like, oh, we got to get our people out.
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Oh, you tortured him and then shot him.
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OK, we're going to go revenge. Then you see what we see in the
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forest in this episode with them.
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They have one of the wolves and he's like, no, I'm not going to
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turn. I'm not going to turn.
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Or at least at that point he's like, yeah, I'll turn, I'll
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turn. I'll join.
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I'll join. It's too late, bro.
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What? They're about to do, yeah.
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It's too late bro, you have the chance.
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I was like oh snap and. And I was like, OK, so they're
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about to hang them. OK, pretty, you know,
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straightforward, right? Oh, no.
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They pulled him up. They stuck a bucket up under his
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feet. And then they took the.
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I don't know what that thing is called.
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The side of the side. Yes, and put it on him and cut
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him and cut him a little bit and then left it there while he's
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being pulled up so that it cuts the rest of him and his
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intestines come out. I have a problem.
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I have a problem with that. Way over your.
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Head do one or the other, not both at the same time.
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That's just a different level. Of cruel.
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That's a different level of cruel.
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That is a different level of brutality.
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It's it's totally, totally unnecessary.
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Yeah. And then you start to wonder,
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what is it that makes a person do that isn't?
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Is it the world that turns you that way?
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Or were you already that way and the world gives you an excuse to
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to be like this? And then they say, oh, oh, let's
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free him. Oh, and now he is free.
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What? Of course he is free.
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Everything inside of him is free.
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When I say watching all of these dystopian type shows movies,
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it's always that religious sect that goes so overboard and I'm
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like, This is why I don't fuck with religion.
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This is why I don't. Y'all are not about to Jim Jones
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me. Absolutely not, no.
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And now I understand why the wolves kind of treat treat them
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like that, because that's kind of scary.
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Yeah, but again, it makes you wonder, were they like that
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before the wolves, or did the wolves push them to be like
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that? I feel like, OK, it's I think
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it's one of those things where it if, I don't want to say this,
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but if you get a sadist or someone kind of crazy in charge
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of a cult, they do crazy shit like this.
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Right. Yeah.
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So maybe the Seraphytes were one way already.
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Then you get the right person or the right people in charge, and
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then it kind of becomes attractive to that type of
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personality, that type of person who would be into dismemberment
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and hanging and torture. So I don't think it's as much as
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the wolves made them that way. I kind of think someone probably
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steered them in that. Direction Spark already there?
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Yeah, they were probably already kind of tiptoeing into that
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lake. And then whatever the wolves
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did, maybe in reaction to what the Seraphites were doing, they
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probably are using that as a justification, like, oh, OK.
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Well, they didn't just like the guy who we saw in the last
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episode, you know, you're training your kids to shoot you.
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You're you're killing our kids 'cause you trained your kids to
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shoot at us. No, we, we trained our kids to
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defend our territory against Raiders and to kill clickers,
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right? Y'all crazy people y'all.
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On a whole different level on a. Whole different level.
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So we are I, I have a feeling in the wolves were defending
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themselves against the serif ICE and, you know, whatever treaty
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they had, again, all it takes is one or two people to get a
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little bit of power in a group like that and they can change
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their whole dogma. Yeah.
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Into that insanity. Because there's no reason to do
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all the extra. There's no reason.
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So someone has to want to do that.
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Because even the way that they're what they're doing with
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the bodies, just kind of it, it's almost like they're using
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them as props, you know, like, oh, OK, yeah, we're going to
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hang these people over here and have their intestines hanging
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out so their friends can find them.
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And oh, we're going to put these 20 bodies over here.
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Multiple. I don't know if it's gunshots or
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if they were stabbed 'cause I don't think the seraphights use
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guns. No they don't the possible.
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Yeah, so those are all stab wounds and, and puncture wounds
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and you just line them up and then you mock their religious
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figure on the wall like, hey, look what we did.
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That's a whole different kind of crazy.
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And I don't blame Ellie for being like, you know what, we
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need to go home. She was like, what are what?
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What are we doing? We need to go home.
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You're pregnant. What the fuck was I thinking?
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Well, first of all, neither one of y'all knew she was pregnant
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when y'all set off on this. Yeah, but you see Isaac, Isaac
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being a soldier and being in charge, he wouldn't necessarily
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endorse that kind of thing, right, Because the torturing for
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information is one thing. Lonnie did body zip to send a
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message. OK.
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Yeah, Yeah, no, I don't think, I don't think he would do that
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because that that kind of contradicts the person that we
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met and why he left Federal in the 1st place.
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He left Federal because Federal was not taking care of their
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people. They were being bullies.
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They were, you know, they were doing all this inhumane stuff.
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And I mean, we saw that from the first season as well.
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Federal is like, yeah, they are trying to help the people out,
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but they were doing it in a radicalized way to the point
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where they were like, oh, OK, we're going to bomb some people
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to get our point across. And the Fireflies were doing it
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too. Again, going back to Mike's
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point, there is no clear good, good people or bad people in
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this. It's like everyone has reasons
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for why they're doing what they're doing.
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And I get that, especially in this type of world where there
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there are no laws and. Resources Unlimited.
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Right. But it's like once you once you
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cross a certain threshold. And and again and and like Isaac
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seemed like the type of person if they have been able to
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establish a treaty with the Sarah fights someone breaks the
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treaty, probably because they want to stir stuff up.
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You got crazy people on both sides doing stupid stuff.
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And they're, you know, I'm sure the leaders on both sides are
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trying to figure out how to coexist or at least out of each
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other's way. But there's always going to be
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people in both factions that like the conflict, that like to
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hang and torture people and lie dead bodies up to prove the
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point, you know what I mean? And.
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I think you said something maybe a couple weeks ago we were
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talking about. It might have been this, it
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might have been Wheel of Time, but you were like, why are
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people like this? Like the whole world ends And
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you would think, and I think I've said this too, you would
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think you would use that as, I don't know, a starting point to
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build something different from what you had before.
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Because obviously what you had before didn't work.
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Because if it did, the world wouldn't just be wiped out the
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way it is. But in every almost every
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dystopian I know end of the world future, the only people
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who make it are the ones who willing to do anything to make
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it. The nice people never make it.
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I know the people who are trying to look out for everyone never
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make it and that's why associated.
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With the people who are willing to do everything.
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Right. Yeah.
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So that's how you get what Mike says.
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At this point, there are no good people.
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There are no bad people. Everyone's doing what they can
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to survive, right? Yeah.
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And the only people who do very well at that are the ones who
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are willing to do anything and everything to to to survive.
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Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You got 8 year old Dora the
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Explorer running around shooting people willing to do that?
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Yeah. 8. Year old one stop and play and
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she takes a gun with her. Well, I mean, but they were
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already in dangerous times, so it was kind of like, OK, you got
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to protect yourself. And I think that's probably the
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only reason why she took it, because she said she
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specifically said she wanted to, she just wanted to go out and
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play and her mom was scared to let her go outside.
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So but. 15 year old hand and since enough to know right that
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she needed to take a gun. 8 years old.
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Yeah, just so she go outside to play.
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Right. And then she ends up witnessing
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what she witnesses. You know, she hears her mom and
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sister screaming. There's this guy, a Raider who
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comes in, does whatever he does to them.
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And she comes in and she kind of catches him.
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And she said he looked shocked when I walked in the house.
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He looked even more shocked when I shot him.
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I was. And it was an interesting line
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that was almost a throwaway line that makes me think that Dora
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might be just as bad as Joel was in the past because she said,
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well, how did you end up in Jackson?
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Let's not talk about. Yeah, she was like, that doesn't
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matter. Right, she did some stuff.
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Yeah, especially if she's 8 and she's by herself.
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She probably had to to survive to.
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Survive. Which is probably also why she's
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so good at the planning and trying to make sure that she,
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you know, that Ellie's being caught cautious because again,
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Ellie is the firecracker. She is the one that is, you
00:23:09
know, shoot, literally shoot first, ask questions later.
00:23:13
This is her whole personality. And I think some of that was
00:23:17
her, some of that was Joe. But Dora is very methodical.
00:23:22
She is. She's very smart.
00:23:24
And I believe she probably feels like she can get them out of any
00:23:29
situation they get in. She has a lot of confidence
00:23:32
about what they're doing. She's not hesitating at all.
00:23:35
She's like, we can roll and do this or we can go back home.
00:23:40
Yeah. She doesn't matter her one way
00:23:41
or another. That's kind of.
00:23:43
Because I think also too, what happened to Joe, that was
00:23:48
personal for her because he was there.
00:23:51
And then even when she says it to Ellie, she was like, I don't
00:23:54
care what Joel did to make these people come and find him.
00:23:57
So obviously she knows. They didn't just randomly come
00:24:00
and get them. I don't care what Joel did to
00:24:03
make these people come and find him.
00:24:05
He didn't deserve that. He deserve it.
00:24:07
And again, Ellie's face, I was like, she knows.
00:24:10
She knows. Then when she talks about what
00:24:14
happened to her family and she tells Ellie she was like, look,
00:24:19
if, if I die during doing this, that's on me, not you, she said.
00:24:25
But if that guy had gotten away, there is nothing that would have
00:24:30
stopped me from from hunting him forever.
00:24:35
And she's she's literally looking at Ellie, giving her
00:24:39
permission to say, you know what?
00:24:40
I know you're scared. I know you're scared about this.
00:24:44
I'm good. Whatever you want to do, I got
00:24:47
your back. And I think Ellie probably
00:24:52
really needed to hear that because again, I feel like in
00:24:57
her mind, she may feel a little guilt about Joel dying because
00:25:02
Joel ended up dying. Why?
00:25:04
Because of what he did to save her.
00:25:07
And I, I think she carries that with her.
00:25:10
And then now she's going through all this stuff.
00:25:11
Like she knows that. I mean, we, we hear it at the
00:25:14
end of the episode. She knows what Joel did, and she
00:25:17
knows why he did it. And it doesn't matter to her
00:25:20
that, Oh yeah, this was this girl's father that he killed.
00:25:23
She's just like I. Don't care.
00:25:26
I don't care, you know, And I think part of that is now maybe
00:25:32
because she had to sit there and watch what happened to Joel, she
00:25:38
ended up having to put herself in his shoes.
00:25:40
Joel was not going to sit there and just let them kill her.
00:25:44
That's why he did what he did. And I think she understands that
00:25:47
now. And there's probably a little
00:25:49
more rage in her about that as well.
00:25:52
Like, oh, this is what this feels like.
00:25:54
OK, I understand now. But going back to Miss Dena
00:26:01
Dora, yeah, she got it together. She's brave.
00:26:05
She she's can get them out of anything up until she comes
00:26:09
across some smart ass clickers and.
00:26:12
She had faced them before, but Ellie has.
00:26:18
But not not in that box, so. Not in that number, but Ellie.
00:26:22
Ellie was. She had the right idea.
00:26:23
She was like, OK, this is what we got to do.
00:26:26
But then, oh, it's two of them. Oh shit.
00:26:29
Oh, it's 30. It's 10.
00:26:31
Like they just started popping up everywhere and.
00:26:36
That's why that building is empty and.
00:26:39
Here's the other thing that I was curious about when they
00:26:44
started hearing the clicker, the first one, I think it was a
00:26:48
girl, because you could tell by the voice, because the noise and
00:26:52
the trills that it makes, it almost sounds like, I don't know
00:26:59
if I want to say it sounds like that clicker still had some kind
00:27:04
of cognizance about it. It sounds like like.
00:27:08
Like they're struggling like. They're playing, yeah.
00:27:11
That too. But like they're struggling,
00:27:13
like it's making noises almost like a whimper.
00:27:17
And I know part of that is probably just to lower them in
00:27:20
like, oh, make you think that somebody is hurt so you can come
00:27:23
over here. But something ain't right about
00:27:28
these clickers. It ain't right.
00:27:31
I I think it, it's almost as if the way these stalkers are, the
00:27:38
way they're kind of not made, but the way they operate is
00:27:42
whoever they're in, because we kind of know the way it works is
00:27:45
it puts the host in like a hallucinogenic state where
00:27:51
because it has to keep them alive, but it takes so, so it's
00:27:55
almost as if it's allowing them to have like a peek out just
00:28:00
enough to to be like, I'm struggling, help me, but they
00:28:04
have no control over what's happening.
00:28:07
Right. So it it's really interesting
00:28:12
these stalkers and because I don't think the Cordyceps knows
00:28:16
how to make them talk, you know, it's not using that part of the
00:28:21
brain, but it can allow them to express any they start.
00:28:26
Doing that. But yeah, I don't think
00:28:29
Cordyceps because it works on the fundamental level.
00:28:32
It just wants to to propagate and procreate and spread.
00:28:37
But it's it's like it's allowing the person because it it may
00:28:42
have happened once and in the Cordyceps this keep allowing it
00:28:47
to happen because it helps propagate.
00:28:50
Yeah. That's scary though.
00:28:54
Horror. You think this thing turned into
00:28:56
a straight horror movie? Again, Paul told up.
00:28:59
I was like y'all can't be stressing me out.
00:29:01
I was like y'all are y'all stressing me out?
00:29:04
And then when she told Dennis she was like OK look you go over
00:29:08
there, I will lure them over here.
00:29:11
She was like I can get bit. And then she said I can get bit
00:29:15
a lot. You can't.
00:29:18
Do you know how much you can get bit?
00:29:19
Like how many times have you gotten bit that we don't even
00:29:22
know about? Yeah, that's like when she said
00:29:25
yeah, I got I got you. You kill that without Yeah, but
00:29:28
he got me first and she's like he bitch you and she was like I.
00:29:32
Can tell you because back then she definitely would have shot
00:29:36
her on site. Right.
00:29:38
But I, when they started, you know, they looked and they were
00:29:42
like, OK, we're going to have this plan.
00:29:44
We're going to, we're going to lure it and, you know, because
00:29:46
we can kill it. So we're going to split up and
00:29:48
whoever it goes after the other one's going to come behind.
00:29:50
Like, it's good plan, right? And then it was sitting there
00:29:53
just like, OK, Because I think in her mind she was also
00:29:58
thinking like, OK, if anybody's going to die in this scenario,
00:30:02
it's going to be me because I'm not immune.
00:30:04
That's going to be my. Yeah.
00:30:07
And then they get up, they see the one and there's a, there's
00:30:10
another one. They were like, yeah, no, it's
00:30:13
two of them. Yeah.
00:30:14
I think we need to turn around and go.
00:30:16
They turn around and go. And it's like 5-6 of them, just
00:30:19
all heights. I was just like, you know what?
00:30:23
I think Ellie was like, OK, you go over there.
00:30:26
I would lure them over here. They gave each other that kiss,
00:30:28
like, I may not see you again. And Dana takes off and she finds
00:30:32
that little, that little cage to get in.
00:30:37
And then they start attacking Ellie like she's shooting and
00:30:42
she's getting them off, but then they attack her and they start
00:30:44
biting her. And I was just like, Oh my God,
00:30:47
like, are we really about to see how durable she is and how how
00:30:54
immune she is? I.
00:30:55
Have an issue? What's the issue?
00:30:58
My issue My issue is do you watch World War Z?
00:31:05
OK so world World War Z the virus wants to spread but it
00:31:08
only wants to spread the healthy host.
00:31:11
Somebody ignores steak host right?
00:31:15
Why is courtesans not ignoring Ellie?
00:31:18
Because she can't get infected? She obviously has some of it in
00:31:24
her right, but they can't recognize or notice that she
00:31:31
isn't infectable. Like they don't attack each
00:31:33
other. Actually, I've seen them attack
00:31:36
each other. But they do attack each other.
00:31:38
Oh well then, never mind. I think they do attack each
00:31:40
other. I think, I think some of them
00:31:42
attacked each other maybe in the last episode and then maybe
00:31:49
earlier on. So I don't think it's common,
00:31:52
but I think they do. OK, Yeah.
00:31:56
OK, well, never mind then. Like I said, don't have a
00:31:59
problem that that that was starting to bother me because
00:32:03
it's almost like they should recognize her as as not quote UN
00:32:09
quote human because she she obviously has it in her to a
00:32:16
level where it doesn't allow her to be infected.
00:32:20
Right, right. But I, I don't know, because the
00:32:25
only times that we have seen her actually get bit once, you know,
00:32:31
after the first time, after the time that that made her aware
00:32:35
that she was immune, they've all been these, these smart ones.
00:32:40
So maybe, maybe it's something about the smart ones that
00:32:43
they're like, OK, we sense it in you.
00:32:45
We don't care. You shooting at us, we gonna
00:32:48
kill you. I mean, I cause 'cause you're
00:32:52
right. You would think that they would
00:32:55
be like, OK, we're not gonna touch her.
00:32:56
We're gonna go for the fresh meat instead of the damaged
00:32:59
goods for. The one that's already infected.
00:33:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
00:33:05
But so while we're talking about them being attacked by the
00:33:11
clickers, I love being right. I absolutely love being right.
00:33:15
Because did I not say that Tommy would come after them?
00:33:20
And maybe Jesse, but I was more so sure that Tommy would be the
00:33:24
one to do it. We don't see him.
00:33:26
We don't see him in this episode, but we do see Jesse
00:33:29
because Jesse is the one that gets the the clickers off of the
00:33:33
two of them. And I was just kind of like
00:33:37
just. And then I'm like, Oh, this is
00:33:38
going to be interesting. Oh.
00:33:41
But he was pissed out. Oh, he was, because he was like.
00:33:46
But he came in and I was like, who was At first I was like, oh,
00:33:49
there's Tommy because he was hitting him in the head like Bam
00:33:52
Bam, but in the dark. You got a night scope on that
00:33:55
rifle bro? Nah, he got 25 year old eyes.
00:34:00
That's what he got. He got that 25 year old vision.
00:34:06
He don't, he don't need to do this.
00:34:11
He he got them. He got them out of here.
00:34:13
He did. But then now you got a whole
00:34:16
different problem because I mean, one of the things that
00:34:19
they said when they were going in, they were like, OK, either
00:34:21
knife or run because they thought this was going to be
00:34:24
relatively simple because they're like, OK, we've been in
00:34:27
here, the door is open. Nothing has come to try to kill
00:34:31
us. Them things were waiting for
00:34:32
them to come. In they were waiting and I think
00:34:35
she. Probably heard it when they were
00:34:36
going through the hallway because remember, she told she
00:34:38
told her stop and she was listening hard.
00:34:42
And then after a while, you know, Ellie was like, do you
00:34:44
hear anything? And she sat there for a good
00:34:47
minute and then she was like, no.
00:34:49
But even after she said that, she still kept looking around
00:34:52
like that's sixth sense was bothering her.
00:34:56
So she did hear something. You ain't safe.
00:35:00
We's not safe. But that's right, they that's
00:35:05
why that building is empty. The rules don't go nowhere near
00:35:09
that building. No, they don't go near that
00:35:11
building. They don't go in the forest
00:35:13
because that's where the Seraphites are.
00:35:15
That's where the seraphites are. And that's where Jesse takes
00:35:17
them to kind of get away from the wolves because of course the
00:35:21
wolves are shooting at them. They don't know who these people
00:35:23
are. They could be Seraphites, as far
00:35:25
as they know. Well, now, if they're shooting
00:35:28
guns, they're not Seraphites, they know that much.
00:35:30
Well, yeah, yeah, that's true. Because they said they, they,
00:35:34
we, they said we don't know. It's 3 unknowns, but they're not
00:35:38
seraphites. Oh yes, they did say that.
00:35:41
They did. They did.
00:35:43
But when they get into the forest, you know, Ellie's trying
00:35:46
to be her usual. I think she's trying to be a
00:35:50
smart ass because one, she's scared, she's nervous because of
00:35:54
what just happened. 2 Jesse is here, baby daddy is here.
00:36:00
This puts a little bit of a tense situation, even it makes
00:36:05
it even more awkward. This is why I didn't like the
00:36:10
fact that they were doing The CW mess because now it's it's
00:36:14
interfering with all this other stuff.
00:36:16
It would. Not interfere.
00:36:17
It might not interfere, whatever, But I think also she
00:36:20
and Jesse have had this kind of maybe not close friendship, but
00:36:26
I think they're friends enough that, you know, the whole
00:36:29
situation might feel awkward for her.
00:36:32
But also it's enough that, OK, you realize this dude is really
00:36:37
pissed at you because he had to come and, and, and do this like
00:36:42
he's far away from home. Jesse probably does not want to
00:36:45
be in Oregon right now. But when he tells me he was
00:36:47
like, yeah, it's it's me and Tommy, we split up and started
00:36:53
looking for you because they were like, how did you know
00:36:54
where we were? He said.
00:36:56
I found the map at the theater and I'm just like, wait, how did
00:36:59
you know they were so obviously Jesse got some good tracking
00:37:02
skills or maybe time. It down.
00:37:04
I just know we're in the theater.
00:37:05
Shut the fuck up. Let's get out here.
00:37:07
But he did not want what what did.
00:37:09
You think I want to talk to you right now, but also, OK, I'm I'm
00:37:13
going to say this too. This is probably another way
00:37:16
that they found or figured out where they were.
00:37:20
Why are you turning on lights in the whole building?
00:37:23
I was going to talk about that earlier, but I decided not to
00:37:26
say anything because you said, oh, it's OK, she's exploring and
00:37:29
it's OK. It's for now.
00:37:31
You ain't OK to turn on the lights.
00:37:32
No, not those big lights, because it's like, well.
00:37:37
Luckily, it was daytime. And they were.
00:37:39
They're all fighting. And they're all distracted by
00:37:41
the seraphights. But I'm just saying though.
00:37:44
Because when she did that, I was like, and then she's like, I
00:37:48
know she's happy because she's got this kind of weight off her
00:37:51
shoulder and everything. She's like, OK, we're about to
00:37:53
go kill some people. And I got my girl here and that
00:37:56
I was like, Ellie, I need you to calm down.
00:37:58
That's why I was kind of glad that that stage thing happened
00:38:01
because she's sitting there, she says that one line and then her
00:38:05
whole face just changed. And I was like, Yep, that's it.
00:38:09
The mask is. I realized one one thing I
00:38:11
realized this is kind of off the subject.
00:38:14
Like why are the world's not concerned about this building?
00:38:17
It has a generator in there, but I realize it's a movie theater.
00:38:20
It has a lot of doors. It has a lot of entries, entry
00:38:25
points. This is not a really a safe
00:38:27
place, no. To be no.
00:38:29
So no. Unless, I mean, because one, you
00:38:33
don't want to change the doors because yeah, that'll keep
00:38:36
things from getting in, but if you have to get out.
00:38:40
It becomes very difficult. It it becomes difficult, like,
00:38:43
yeah, it's a trap. So.
00:38:45
But so, yeah, so Jesse and Tommy are there, and while they're in
00:38:49
the forest, they are the ones who actually witnessed this
00:38:53
cerifite ritual of them hanging the wolf guy.
00:38:57
And then I guess their position is detected because Dina takes
00:39:01
an arrow to the leg. And I was.
00:39:04
Here we go. So they make a plan, go back to
00:39:08
the theater, take her to the theater.
00:39:09
I'll leave them off, and then I'll meet up with you guys.
00:39:13
So that's what they do. They separate.
00:39:17
Ellie kind of gets away from the Seraphytes who are tracking her,
00:39:21
and then she looks as she's like, there's the hospital.
00:39:25
Do I want to go back? We'll do it now.
00:39:27
I'm going to go to the hospital. And she's that.
00:39:31
Way she, she, she goes through and I'm like, how little does
00:39:36
she have to be? Because she's in the grass and
00:39:39
the dog obviously knows she's there, but you don't find her.
00:39:43
And then she crawls into this little bitty space to the point
00:39:47
where the guy who's with the dog, he was like, oh, it's just
00:39:49
a critter. You the are, are you really that
00:39:52
LAX? Like your dog is going off like
00:39:54
that? I'm I'm going to see what it is
00:39:58
because I'm pretty sure. In Seattle, they don't know
00:40:01
anything about smart clickers yet.
00:40:04
They probably don't they. Don't have to stand that
00:40:08
building. Oh, anybody who goes in that
00:40:11
building with the smart, the stalkers, yeah, They don't come
00:40:15
out until any that's. What I was going to say.
00:40:17
So they probably like, OK, yeah, we're just going to leave that
00:40:19
building alone. We're not even going to try it.
00:40:23
But the the other issue, the other issue is though the Cere
00:40:27
fighters are known to infiltrate your spaces.
00:40:31
Yeah. Hello.
00:40:33
Yeah. But I guess they're thinking,
00:40:35
OK, only somebody that's like child size would be able to fit
00:40:39
through there. And they're probably like, oh,
00:40:40
what is the child going to do? Well, let me tell you.
00:40:44
Right, you can do a small a small adult like Ellie.
00:40:51
Ellie. Who can go in there and silently
00:40:55
because apparently y'all don't want to go in that forest.
00:41:00
So y'all won't come to her, she will come to y'all, and she
00:41:04
already knows where Nora is going to be exactly.
00:41:06
Where Nora is going to be. So she literally, and I don't
00:41:11
know how she did it because we don't see it.
00:41:13
We see Nora sitting there, she's tending to a patient, and then
00:41:16
she goes into a room to kind of clean the supplies and Ellie
00:41:20
gets the drop on her. She was like, put it down and
00:41:23
turn around. She turns around and Ellie's
00:41:27
like, oh, do you Remember Me? Yeah, you Remember Me.
00:41:29
I forgot Nora was the one. Well, I don't.
00:41:32
And that's the thing. I don't even know.
00:41:33
Is that Nora or is that the other girl's name?
00:41:36
Because I don't think, OK. Because I was going to say when
00:41:39
Dana was telling her she was like 1 girl is Nora and the
00:41:42
other girl is such and such. I don't remember which is which,
00:41:46
so. But yeah, OK.
00:41:48
Yeah. It has to be Nora because that's
00:41:50
how she found her, because Nora was given her position on the
00:41:54
walkie-talkie. But when she says, do you
00:41:58
Remember Me? Oh, yeah, you Remember Me
00:42:00
because Nora was the one that was holding her down and making
00:42:04
her watch them kill Joe. And Nora starts pulling this
00:42:09
whole thing. Oh, yeah.
00:42:10
I'm so sorry. You shouldn't have had to see
00:42:12
that. Nobody should have to see that.
00:42:14
I close my eyes and I still hear him screaming.
00:42:18
But that little bitch deserved that.
00:42:20
I was like, it's fighting time, it's time to whoop some ass.
00:42:25
But Ellie is. She was still in that emotional
00:42:30
headspace because Nora brought her back to that day and she
00:42:35
dropped her guard for just a little bit, enough for Nora to
00:42:39
throw some stuff on her and and run.
00:42:41
I bet you, I bet you Ellie won't make that same mistake twice.
00:42:45
Absolutely not. She will not.
00:42:47
She's not going to sit here and listen to the to the dialogue.
00:42:50
You don't listen to your bullshit.
00:42:52
Tell me what Abby is or that she learn.
00:42:58
She learn quick. She learn quick.
00:43:00
If these people don't want to tell, that's fine.
00:43:02
I'll find someone who will. So you gave.
00:43:05
Laura Too many, too much. Time to figure a way out.
00:43:09
Right. And therefore, what happens next
00:43:11
to happen, because Nora takes off, Ellie is coming after her,
00:43:16
shooting a gun. So now other people are, you
00:43:19
know, trying to take Ellie out. Nora comes to the elevator to
00:43:27
one of the floors that's blocked off, and she's just like, OK,
00:43:31
die this way or maybe try to escape here because I don't
00:43:34
think Nora even knows what's going on down there yet.
00:43:37
Because so she opens the shaft, she jumps on the elevator, and
00:43:45
elevator kind of slams down to the basement floor.
00:43:48
She gets off. Ellie follows her.
00:43:51
The soldiers who were following Ellie, they were like, oh, no,
00:43:54
that's going to the basement. Seal the hallway off.
00:43:57
No, Yeah. They look, they're like, don't
00:43:58
they even go to the shaft? They seal.
00:44:00
They seal the whole hallway off. Seal it off like what we're not
00:44:03
going to do today. They don't know what's going
00:44:08
down down there. They just know it needs to be
00:44:10
sealed, it needs to stay closed. Right.
00:44:13
So when Ellie gets down there and she sees the Cordyceps all
00:44:20
on the wall, on the floor, on the ceiling, and.
00:44:23
Stuff floating in the air. I was just like that and look, I
00:44:29
got goosebumps. That was so creepy.
00:44:35
So walk in there and see that it looks like somebody just threw
00:44:38
up vomit and confetti all together and it's and it just
00:44:41
plastered the walls with. Yeah, I think the last time we
00:44:45
saw that really like that was in Season 1.
00:44:49
The museum. But but it was dead right.
00:44:53
It was dead up until those 2 little tendrils came up.
00:44:56
They did have the tendrils, right?
00:44:57
Right. But but the that, yeah, but that
00:45:01
was yeah. And didn't someone say that this
00:45:05
hospital was where they took the first corset?
00:45:08
Patients were down there? Yep, and y'all are operating at
00:45:13
the same hospital like and I I get it, they probably don't have
00:45:17
anywhere else. I've never been to Seattle.
00:45:20
I don't know what the layout is, but come on.
00:45:24
What? Y'all better go find the the
00:45:28
free clinic down the street and move all your stuff.
00:45:31
There ain't no way. Ain't no way none.
00:45:38
But anyway. Ellie walking around.
00:45:42
Walking. Around.
00:45:44
Having no the the spores are having no effect on her.
00:45:47
Like she's literally standing in front of one of the guys who is
00:45:53
you know it. It's almost like being in the
00:45:55
upside down when Will was in the upside down and stranger things.
00:45:59
You see the spore puffs coming and she's just sitting there.
00:46:02
I can tell if they were doing it because she was walking by like
00:46:07
they saw someone in the motion, the noise and they stop or it
00:46:11
has constantly doing it. Craig Mason said in the after
00:46:15
show. He said basically what they're
00:46:16
doing is they're breathing in air and they're breathing out
00:46:20
spores. He was like they're, they're
00:46:22
kind of stuck in between life and death and that they're still
00:46:27
alive. So they're still breathing.
00:46:29
It's just they're breathing in regular air.
00:46:31
And when when they breathe out, it's spores because it's it's
00:46:34
taking over their body. So she keeps going, she keeps
00:46:40
walking through because she's still looking for Nora.
00:46:44
Then you hear, you hear Nora coughing.
00:46:48
And I was like, oh, that's, that's going to be, that's the
00:46:51
death right there. No, I don't know why I thought
00:46:54
she was going to let it be that easy because she goes over to
00:46:58
Nora and Nora was like, you stupid bitch, you've killed both
00:47:02
of us. And Ellie was like, have I and
00:47:06
her face? It changed.
00:47:10
Yeah, it changed that. That's silly.
00:47:13
I've been looking for. She was no emotion.
00:47:16
No emotion. She was like, oh, have I?
00:47:20
And that's when Nora realizes she was like, wait, you're the
00:47:23
girl. You're her.
00:47:24
You're the immune girl, so you are real.
00:47:27
She's like, Yep. And then she starts telling her
00:47:30
about Joel. She was like, do you know what
00:47:32
he did? He killed the entire hospital of
00:47:34
people, including the one person who could have made a cure for
00:47:40
me. Supposedly.
00:47:42
Yeah, supposedly. Who could make a cure for you?
00:47:45
And that was Abby's dad. She was like, do you know that?
00:47:47
And Ella was like, I know. And she was like, and you don't
00:47:51
care. No.
00:47:53
Where's Abby? I'm not telling you.
00:47:57
So she did literally the same thing Abby did.
00:48:00
She walks over, she sees a pipe. She picks it up.
00:48:06
Meanwhile, Laura's just over here dying.
00:48:08
She comes back over to her. Where's Abby?
00:48:13
No, what the hell was like? I was like, OK, this is what
00:48:20
I've been wanting, but at the same time, God damn Ellie.
00:48:23
Because again, face blank, nothing.
00:48:26
But I I wouldn't even say it's rage when she first hits her it.
00:48:31
Was no emotion on her face. There was no emotion.
00:48:34
And then I think after that, she was kind of like, oh, OK, yeah,
00:48:38
I can do this again. So where?
00:48:39
Where Where's Abby? Oh, you don't want him?
00:48:41
Damn. And she literally did the same
00:48:43
thing that Abby did. And I was just like, And then at
00:48:48
the end of that, she hits her several times and then we'll see
00:48:52
a, a flashback or maybe it's a, a dream or something, 'cause I
00:48:56
don't know if maybe, you know, maybe the spores weren't
00:48:59
affecting her the way they were affecting Nora, but maybe they
00:49:02
were affecting her in some way. I don't.
00:49:04
Or maybe she just maybe she passed out from the sheer
00:49:07
exhaustion of beating her with that pipe.
00:49:10
But she's in the bed in Joel's old house.
00:49:13
And then here comes through the door is Joel.
00:49:15
And he says, hey, kiddo. She says hi.
00:49:19
And then the episode goes off and I was like, OK, so I know
00:49:23
now y'all are going to have me crying all next episode.
00:49:27
I need to have my tissue box. But this is what I've been
00:49:30
wanting. I've been wanting, you know,
00:49:31
Joel to come back and for us to get more information.
00:49:35
So I have a feeling that next episode is when we're going to
00:49:39
find out what she finds out. Because you see like the
00:49:45
montage, if you look at the promo for next episode, you see
00:49:48
the montage. She's showing her like different
00:49:51
things and teaching her to play the guitar.
00:49:54
And they seem really, really happy.
00:49:56
And then all of a sudden you see her with the tattoo and he's
00:49:59
looking at the tattoo and she's like, and then you see her
00:50:03
walking away from him. And I was like, oh, that was the
00:50:06
moment. So it's going to be raw and
00:50:12
emotional next week, but I'm ready for it because these, like
00:50:18
I said, this episode started so slow for me and I was just kind
00:50:21
of like, it took me an hour to get to the halfway point because
00:50:26
I kept pausing it and doing other stuff.
00:50:28
I was like, oh, let me pause it. Oh, let me run to the store,
00:50:30
grab some trash bags. OK, plan for a few minutes.
00:50:33
Oh, let me pause it. Let me play a couple of rounds
00:50:36
of solid. Like, I couldn't get into it
00:50:39
because I was like, again, there's only 7 episodes in this
00:50:43
season. This is episode 5.
00:50:47
We need to, you know, like, get it going.
00:50:51
And again, because I have no idea what the storyline is in
00:50:55
the game, I have no way of determining like, where we are
00:51:00
in the story. Like, is it about to start
00:51:02
ramping up? Are we going to have to wait
00:51:05
until next season for her to even find Abby?
00:51:07
Because yeah, she got to Nora, but she still has four other
00:51:10
people to get to before she gets to Nora.
00:51:13
And if Joel is going to be the main focus of the next episode,
00:51:17
when are we going to get that? So I'm going to be honest, I, I
00:51:21
don't think we're going to see any resolution with her and Abby
00:51:23
until next season. Yeah, I think, I think there I'm
00:51:27
hoping probably they're going to follow the the because this
00:51:32
whole Nora thing followed the game almost beat for beat.
00:51:36
Oh, OK. Almost beat for beat.
00:51:38
So I'm thinking that next season we're going to get Abby's
00:51:44
perspective. OK.
00:51:47
Because Abby has her whole own storyline, OK, It's going on at
00:51:53
the same time, OK, So we're we're probably going to in in.
00:51:57
I feel like they're going to do that because we're going to see
00:52:00
them come to ahead at the same same place.
00:52:05
OK. And I think that's what's going
00:52:06
to happen. So because like, right now,
00:52:09
Tommy being off on his own, there's a there's a section in
00:52:15
the game where he's a mini boss for Abby.
00:52:20
So yeah. OK, you know what?
00:52:25
I don't even want to know. You don't I.
00:52:28
Don't even want to know because I'm like is he doing this
00:52:31
knowing that she killed his brother or does he not have a
00:52:34
clue that this is the person that killed his brother?
00:52:37
I don't know. You don't know how much he
00:52:40
knows. OK.
00:52:43
Really. He's a smart dude too.
00:52:45
Right, right. He.
00:52:46
Knows that she's there and she's talked about why she's there.
00:52:50
She's probably told him before she went to the meeting where
00:52:53
she wanted, you know, she told me what she wanted to do.
00:52:57
Yeah. And I bet Dora has told him
00:53:01
everything she knows too. Yeah.
00:53:05
The names and all of that. Yeah, I think that's probably
00:53:09
what what they told him when they first told him about that,
00:53:12
because when he looked at her, he was like, hey, the next time
00:53:16
you hold out information on me, you're on rendering duty for
00:53:19
when he said three months, Three months.
00:53:23
So, yeah, I'm pretty sure he knows all of that.
00:53:25
But like I said, I'm glad that he actually did come come to
00:53:30
Seattle. He did have to sneak out because
00:53:33
that's what Jesse says. They were like, yeah, so y'all
00:53:35
left one night, we snuck out the next.
00:53:39
So yeah, they weren't. They weren't too far behind.
00:53:42
They weren't too far behind. And I think again, she's now
00:53:49
she's in Tommy's care, even though, yes, she's 19, but still
00:53:52
he feels responsibility for her because that was his brother's
00:53:56
surrogate child. So he's like, that's family.
00:54:00
I can't let her go do this by herself, especially considering
00:54:04
that's my brother. So yeah, I'm sure he I'm sure he
00:54:09
snuck out. I'm sure he's going to have hell
00:54:11
to pay with Maria when he gets back, if he gets back.
00:54:15
Like I said, I don't know anything about the game, so I
00:54:17
don't even know if Tommy makes it or not.
00:54:20
I hope he does because I don't want to lose both brothers.
00:54:23
But yeah, this episode, I'm glad it picked up the way it did
00:54:28
towards the end. Because towards the end I was
00:54:30
just kind of like, OK, now I'm sitting on my on the edge of my
00:54:33
seat. I'm.
00:54:34
I'm trying to see what's about to happen.
00:54:35
OK. Did she get bit?
00:54:37
How many times did she get bit? Because Jesse was about to go in
00:54:40
on her and Dina? Then it was like, Nope, she
00:54:42
didn't get bit. I watched the whole thing and I
00:54:44
was like, lie, lying. To her, I'm trying to look at
00:54:51
keep trying to look at it and then the doors like no, no, no,
00:54:53
look over here, look over here. Like, hi, I'm here.
00:54:58
So I really hope they don't focus on the the whole love
00:55:04
triangle thing too much because I I have a feeling.
00:55:09
Why don't you have to see the quiet part out loud?
00:55:12
What the triangle? The whole CW thing, Well, here's
00:55:16
the. Thing don't.
00:55:17
Post into the existence. I don't think it's going to be
00:55:20
that much of an issue because if you think about the episode
00:55:23
where Ellie confessed to kissing Dana, Jesse wasn't really
00:55:28
surprised. So I think he's he probably sees
00:55:33
what was going on and probably understands what Dana was hiding
00:55:38
or was trying to deny. I don't think that's going to be
00:55:41
too much of a problem. That might be an issue that when
00:55:44
he finds out she's pregnant, because he's probably going to
00:55:46
be get your ass back to Jackson, you know, But I mean, at this
00:55:51
point, y'all are there. Do what you came to do.
00:55:55
You might I have a. Feeling I have a feeling Jesse
00:55:59
is going to take Dora back to Jackson and Tommy and Ellie are
00:56:04
going to be paired up. OK, I I can go for that, but I
00:56:10
kind of like Jesse too. So like, especially like you
00:56:14
said, Jesse came in, shoot them in the head, no lights, no
00:56:19
scope, like he can handle himself.
00:56:22
And just like Ellie said to him a few episodes ago, she told
00:56:27
him, she said, yeah, yeah, we know you're going to be the one
00:56:30
running this place someday. So maybe just let us see a
00:56:35
little bit of that that leadership quality and some
00:56:39
actual action and not just him telling people what to do and
00:56:43
Jackson and, you know, driving posts into the thing.
00:56:47
But yeah, I I don't mind this this foursome, if they can get
00:56:53
the job done Again, We have four other people that we have to get
00:56:56
to before we get to Abby. And you know, they're going to
00:56:58
make us go through those four people first because Ellie is
00:57:03
not going to want to do Abby until last so she can say, Oh
00:57:08
yeah, I came and got all of y'all.
00:57:11
I told you I was going to kill you.
00:57:13
I made you that promise. And here I am keeping that
00:57:15
promise. But she meant it for all of
00:57:17
them. And I'm sure Nora and I can't
00:57:21
remember what Danny Ramirez's character's name is.
00:57:25
Those two, those are going to be the ones that are like top on
00:57:28
her shit list because Danny is the one that kicked her and
00:57:31
broke her ribs to the point where she had to spend 3 months
00:57:34
in the hospital and Nora was the one who sat on her back while
00:57:37
she had to watch Joe die. So yeah, those two are going to
00:57:42
be going to be extremely painful, kind of in the way that
00:57:48
Abby wanted Joe's death to be painful because, you know, poor
00:57:52
Nora, here you are, suffer from Cordyceps poisoning, basically,
00:57:59
and you still getting your legs broke.
00:58:02
And she didn't even give you the satisfaction of turning Nope.
00:58:10
Nope, not now. She might, because she was hit.
00:58:13
She was hitting her in her legs. She.
00:58:16
She. Probably was going to break that
00:58:18
body and then let her turn because if if all the bones are
00:58:21
broken and then you turn you can't do shit but sit there.
00:58:25
I don't think she's going to let her turn.
00:58:26
You don't think so? No.
00:58:29
OK, because then you she's. Ellie doesn't know how the
00:58:34
Cordyceps is working. So sorry.
00:58:36
She believes once the Cordyceps take over nor is dead.
00:58:41
That's not satisfying. She has to do it herself.
00:58:45
Right, I got it, I got you. OK, but I mean, we're starting
00:58:52
to get what we were looking for and I know that sounds so weird
00:58:55
like Oh my God, y'all are so bad I'm so sorry.
00:58:58
Just just kind of comes out. I mean, Ellie is a violent
00:59:02
character. We know this.
00:59:04
She hasn't, You know, she was kind of sort of raised by Joel
00:59:11
and she seen some stuff. So, yeah, I mean, This is why
00:59:17
you came to Seattle. You came to exact revenge.
00:59:21
And again, you know exactly what Joel did.
00:59:23
And like I said, she knew why Joel was getting killed.
00:59:27
She knew it, even if she maybe didn't hasn't voiced it out
00:59:31
loud. She knows it because even when
00:59:34
Dina said it, no matter what Joe did, he didn't deserve to go out
00:59:38
like that. And she was looking at her like
00:59:39
well I know what he did and in some people's minds he might
00:59:43
have deserved it. But.
00:59:45
No, I I think Dora's right. No matter what he did, he didn't
00:59:49
deserve that. Oh, absolutely.
00:59:51
Absolutely. And I think anyone, I think most
00:59:55
people would agree with that because even them standing
00:59:58
around watching Abby do it, they didn't look like they was all
01:00:05
the way on board. No, they weren't.
01:00:07
Not not the way it was being done.
01:00:10
I think that is the problem. Yeah, I because I think when she
01:00:14
said I want to kill him slow, I don't think they thought that
01:00:18
she meant that literally. Yeah.
01:00:20
In that sense, but it's almost like she was.
01:00:25
I don't. And I don't want to say she was
01:00:26
taking pleasure out of it, because nothing about that
01:00:29
experience was pleasurable for her.
01:00:33
Yeah, it was about expressing her rage.
01:00:37
Yeah, but now y'all got Ellie to think about.
01:00:42
Ellie at least. Right, because she's probably
01:00:47
going to just like with Nora, that realization for Nora, like
01:00:53
oh wait, you're the reason why he did this.
01:00:56
Do you know this is what he did? You don't care.
01:00:59
If I was Ellie, I would have been like, so y'all were OK with
01:01:03
the doctor just randomly deciding to put me to death so
01:01:06
that he could cure all of y'all? Like my life wasn't worth
01:01:09
anything to y'all. No, I don't give a fuck about
01:01:11
what he did. Like who are you guys to decide
01:01:15
that my life is not important to the point where oh y'all are
01:01:20
going to put me on the table and have someone operate on me when
01:01:24
I have no idea that's what they're doing?
01:01:26
I'm not giving any kind of consent.
01:01:28
She didn't make it. She didn't make a choice.
01:01:30
No. Didn't have a chance to.
01:01:32
I mean, yeah, she said she wanted to save people, but did
01:01:35
she know she was going to have to die to do it?
01:01:36
I don't think she did. So I whatever is whatever, I
01:01:46
I'm, I'm just, I'm ready to see it.
01:01:50
I want to see LA fully unleashed and like I said, I kind of want
01:01:54
to see Tommy too because we've heard about how Tommy and Joel
01:01:59
were in their younger years. I kind of need to see a little
01:02:02
bit of that because that was your brother that they did that
01:02:06
too. You know, he's all cool and
01:02:10
copacetic, but now that he even think of it, those feelings take
01:02:15
over. Oh, yeah.
01:02:16
He's like, oh, I don't have to be an example for anybody right
01:02:19
now. I don't have to worry about what
01:02:20
my wife is going to think of me. I don't have to worry about what
01:02:23
my son is going to think of me. I'm hundreds of miles away.
01:02:27
He had all this time to think about it.
01:02:30
With that final image of his brother in his mind, because
01:02:35
again, you beat Joel to the point where he was
01:02:37
unrecognizable, and that's how he went back to his brother.
01:02:44
Oh no, that's why I kept saying ain't no way Tom is going to let
01:02:48
this sit. There's no way.
01:02:51
I love it when I'm right. But OK, 2 episodes left.
01:03:03
Do you think we're going to have any kind of resolution with at
01:03:08
least most of the group before we end season 2, or do you think
01:03:13
they're going to focus a little bit more on this whole Wolf
01:03:16
versus Sarah fight thing? And then, yeah.
01:03:21
I think they're still trying to paint the picture of the Wolf
01:03:25
Sarah fight conflict going into some of the things that's going
01:03:31
to happen with Abby in the next season.
01:03:33
Right, OK, OK. You have any final thoughts on
01:03:39
this episode? I think we touched on
01:03:41
everything. The only final thoughts I have
01:03:44
is the I like the turn the show has made it.
01:03:48
It feels like it's going back to its roots, kind of.
01:03:53
I know a lot of people are still bailing on the show, but I don't
01:03:59
know it it to me, it still has some value.
01:04:02
I still found some entertainment in it.
01:04:04
There's some things like the whole sport development.
01:04:08
Maybe it's they're just doing it because they had to, they wanted
01:04:12
to be close to the game with Nora, so you had to bring the
01:04:17
sports back, not bring it back because they had to introduce it
01:04:21
when the game they were like, oh, we're not going to do with
01:04:23
the sports or whatever. Well, they they're going to do
01:04:25
it for this little section. It will probably never have to
01:04:28
do with it again. OK.
01:04:31
And, and, and it's OK because it's a, it's a pivotal point in
01:04:35
Elliott's story. So I'm OK with that.
01:04:38
OK. All right, well, I guess that's
01:04:44
it for this episode, 'cause I don't have anything else to say.
01:04:48
I'm just, I'm ready for the fight.
01:04:50
I'm ready for the fight to begin.
01:04:51
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