#thelastofus #TLOU Ellie finds a peaceful way to remember Joel as she and Dina take refuge in an abandoned music store. A recon plan is created when they find a potential location for the WLF. The war between the WLF and the Seraphites gets ugly. Ellie's secret is revealed when she saves Dina from a Clicker attack; Dina reveals a secret of her own. Ellie gets one step closer to her goal.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and we are discussing episode 4 of the
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second season of The Last of Us and we got things to say.
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So the title of this episode is day one by the end of the
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episode cause at first I was like what is day one of what?
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I'm thinking day one of when they're in Seattle.
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At the end I was like day one of my suffering is what I was
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thinking. You know, so I thought about you
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when I was watching this episode because I was like, didn't we
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just say that they don't need to be trying to explore a
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relationship right now because they got other shit to do?
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I mean, it wasn't. Where's the urgency?
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Where's the urgency? You are in a place you do not
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know what you're going up against, and we're sitting
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around playing guitars and talking about love and babies
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and being a fan. Come on guys, I'm going to.
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Say that murder. People, you were there to blow
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brains out. They were trying to blow out.
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I, I had kind of sort of the same feeling at the beginning of
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the episode, but I, I will say I did like the guitar interlude
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because it was nice. And Bella Ramsey has a pretty
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nice voice and it was a, you know, of course, you know, we're
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Gen. X aha take on me that's like a
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classic. But I don't hear it done
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acoustically very often. And she did a very, you know, a
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very good version, which, you know, kind of fit in with what
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they were trying to do with the episode because you could see
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Dina falling in love with her. But I was just like, it's, it's
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nice, I like it, but y'all got stuff to do.
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And, and I think we talked about this kind of at length in the
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last episode. Like I don't have a problem with
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Ellie and Dina at all as far as them being a couple.
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I have a problem with the timing because this is not the right
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timing. And I know why they're doing it.
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They're doing it because they want to show us that, you know,
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the stakes are high. You know, Ellie needs to make a
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decision on whether or not she's going to go do this or whether
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she's going to go back home. And, and I, I get it.
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It's that whole little conflict of, you know, your priorities
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and all this other stuff. It's all, it's all manufactured.
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It's all manufactured. You are there to find these
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people, slit their throats or blow their brains out.
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The take on you're right. The take on me, Interlude
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Acoustic. You know, the person who I live
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with, who I live with related to my marriage, she's like, oh, I
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didn't know those were the lyrics that would take on me
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part, but one of I can't remember which, which lyric it
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was, but she's like, oh, that's the lyric.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We.
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Did that a lot of when we were younger, we, we just sang
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whatever lyrics we thought we heard.
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Because there are songs now that I'm like, wait.
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However, how'd it go? If there's a time, there is a
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place. So you're right, the timing.
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A little bit of joy in this kind of world because like Dina said,
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as we go through the episode, it's like, what the fuck is
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wrong with Seattle? I'm with her.
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I'm like, what is wrong with these people?
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So again, this is the romantic in me, you know, got to find a
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little bit of happiness. You have to find a a sense of
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what you're fighting for. And I think part of that was
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supposed to be, I don't know, I guess in a way kind of grounding
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for Ellie because as we know, we've been watching Ellie since
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she was 14, and she's always had this kind of dark humor about
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her existence, about her possibly being the cure for all
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of this. But then also, we've seen her at
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her, her darkest, where she's been like, OK, I really don't
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care if I live or die. And I think all of the, the
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mushy stuff, all of the little gooey stuff that we got in this
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episode is supposed to kind of, I don't know, in a sense, ground
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her or make her think about someone other than herself and
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what she wants. And I get that.
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Again, I'm, I'm practical though.
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You're here like, like you said, you're here to kill people.
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And not only that, you realize that the people that you're
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looking for are not the only killers that are surrounding you
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and you've just had to flee for your life and you've almost
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gotten caught by a whole shit load of clickers and you've had
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to go. It's it's a lot like y'all don't
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have time to be Y'all don't have time to be messing around.
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My daughter was over here last night and she's reading a book
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while I'm watching the episode. And the part where they actually
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like, they start to make out and, and they're getting a
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little handsy. My daughter was like, Oh my God,
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you guys have just been crawling around and feel if you really
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are about to have a yeast infection because of the yeast
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infection test in the beginning of the episode.
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But OK, I know we got, I, I, I know you want to talk some more
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about this and, and how much you didn't like it, but let's start
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at the beginning because the other thing we need to talk
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about. Isaac.
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Is Jeffrey fucking right? OK, I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
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wait. I hit the person I'm married to
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next to me. Like, is that Jeffrey Wright?
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She's like, yes, yes, it's Jeffrey Wright.
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Oh, yeah. OK.
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OK. All right.
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So if anyone can feel that space that Pedro Pascal had, it's
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Jeffrey Wright. And not only that, but the man
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looks like he might be insane do.
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You think? I'm here for it.
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I'm here for it. I need it after, OK?
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I look at it, it's like a balancing of scales, OK?
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If you're going to give me CW, Ellie, give me insane Jeffrey
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Wright. Right, OK, right.
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OK, I'll, I'll he balances out. It's a, it's a balance, yes.
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It's a balance because. You have mushy, gooey, sweet,
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sloppy story over here and then you have what the fuck?
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I was like, because I, I don't know anything about his
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character. So of course I'm just like,
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it's, it's Jeffrey Wright, you know, we, we love him.
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So I I'm sitting here watching the the beginning of the episode
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not realizing that this is the episode he's going to make his
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debut in because for a split second I forgot that he was even
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cast in in the show. I don't even.
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Think I knew. I don't even think I knew.
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I think we talked about it. Long time ago.
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First was announced because this was right around the time we
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were, you know, we, we were still talking about what if so,
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I think, I think we talked about it very, very briefly.
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But they're in the tank. You have some soldiers and 1
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soldier is being the asshole soldier that we always see.
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He's telling the story about, you know, one, a regular person,
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a citizen, they call them voters, voters.
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And talking about this other soldier called Greenberg, who
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apparently is like the chief, the top tier asshole.
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And he's being, you know, middle Gray asshole, talking about how
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they've kind of, you know, I, I guess how they're roughing up
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the voters and everybody else is kind of laughing.
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And there's this one dude in the van who was also laughing.
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But he's laughing because he doesn't want to feel left out.
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But you can tell clearly by his face.
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He's like, oh, OK, is this what I'm having to surround myself
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with? OK, OK.
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And then it gets to a point where he asked me, he was like,
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why do you call them voters? You know, the citizens?
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Why do you call them voters? And the asshole guys like, I
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don't know, we just do. Then here you go with Mr. Isaac
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Dixon over here in the corner and he's like, we call him that
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because we took their we, we took their voting rights away.
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He was like, and obviously this is a group of federal soldiers.
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He's like, we took their rights away.
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And someone started calling them voters to kind of mock them and
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the other guys kind of feeling like, oh, OK, I'm sorry, sorry.
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He was like, no, you, you meant it.
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You're an asshole. You know, it's just he was like,
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what did he say when he got out the thing?
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He was like, you're all green birds.
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So anyway, they're riding in this vehicle and they stopped
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because there's there's a blockage.
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There's a school bus. And then you look in the window
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and there's some people behind. So he gets out the truck.
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He's like, OK, I'm going to go talk to him.
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They're like, no, it's a whole bunch of them.
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He's like, no, because if you guys come out, it's going to
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escalate and it's going to be what it always is because you
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guys are assholes. So you could tell this is a guy
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who is in charge. He's a Sergeant, but he's very
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it. It's very obvious that he is
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tired of the way things are being done.
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Like he's not one of these people who is harassing people
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and and bullying people just because he has the suit, he has
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the gun, he has the power. But it takes a turn I didn't
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expect because he he comes out the van.
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Then he thinks about it. He looks back at the the one kid
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who was kind of uncertain and he was like, kid, come out here
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with me, You can learn something.
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He goes up to a woman who who walks in.
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It's obvious. I guess she's the leader of that
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little group. They introduce themselves by
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some code names and he just looks at her and he's like and
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he turns around, walks back to the van.
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He pulls out. I don't I don't know if there
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was tear gas canisters or it. Was grenades.
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OK, I thought it was grenades, but I was like, OK, I couldn't
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tell because they they kind of smoked up.
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So he throws the good grenades in the van with the other
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soldiers and locks the van and kills them.
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I was just like, oh, wait, he's turning.
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He's going to the revolution side.
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I wasn't expecting it, but I was like, oh, OK, he's gonna, he's
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gonna fight for the people. And then when you see him later
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on in episode, it's like, whoa, that took a dark turn.
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I was like, wait, what happened? But it's a 10.
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It's a 10 year span between when we're introduced to his
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character and when we come to present day, it's a 10 year
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span. So that means that they're in
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the year 2028, I believe. Yeah, I think that math works
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out. Right.
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But yeah, was not expecting him to like blow his soldiers up and
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the the one soldier that he pulled off the truck, he's
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looking at him like fuck. And he turns to him and he was
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like, now you need to make a choice.
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What in those kind of circumstances?
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There you there is. There is no choice.
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I you literally just made the choice for me when you blew up
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all the rest of the guys that I was on the convoy with.
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So what are we doing here? OK, This is what we're doing.
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OK. So I I feel like he could tell
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that he was not sure about the situation to begin with.
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But also Isaac, even though he didn't talk to him, he knows
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that this guy at least will have my back if things ever go
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sideways. You'll have at least one person
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that he knows he can count on. Yeah, because you literally
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right before you killed everybody else.
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Yeah, but also, he probably has been with him for a minute.
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And so at least, you know, he knows who he's dealing with.
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But it's always good to have at least one person with you that
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you know. OK, I know this guy well.
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He may be confused about what's going on, but I know he's
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probably going to be with me wherever goes now.
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Yeah, he kind of struck me as a new soldier.
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And it's like, I feel like Isaac looked at him like, OK, if I
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don't step in now, he's going to become like these other.
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He's going to be like. Them and at least right now he
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has enough like of course, when you're in that kind of
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situation, I'm I'm not in the military.
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I've never been in the military for a good reason.
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I just that kind of that kind of toxic environment, that kind of
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toxic teasing. You do see it a lot with with
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soldiers and military. Not, not everyone, but
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especially in TV and film it, it's that kind of environment.
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And I can understand being someone who might be new to the
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group, who might even be a new soldier.
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And you just want to fit in and you want to make sure that you
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don't become the target of these guys bullying because that's
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very much what it is. And that that kind of
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uncertainty was enough for Isaac to look at him and be like, OK,
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let's see what he's made of. But like you, like you said,
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he'll have Isaac's back. Because again, the way I looked
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at it was you could have left me on that truck and just killed me
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and be like, I don't feel like teaching nobody.
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I don't feel like training nobody.
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You're as good as dead. OK, whatever.
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But obviously Isaac saw something in that dude to be
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like, OK, you know what? You deserve another chance.
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And I think that's one of the catch phrases of of this season.
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It's like everyone deserves a second chance, so.
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OK, except for Joe. He didn't deserve he.
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Didn't deserve second, you know what we we can't because it's
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been it's been 2 episodes since he's been gone and I'm still
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like, where are my flashbacks? I I need my Joe flashbacks.
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But but then you see this guy later on in the episode, totally
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different. But I mean, Isaac is totally
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different too. And we can talk about that
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change later when we get to that part of the story because.
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I don't, I don't know if he's that different because he might
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be using federal tactics to get information.
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and that's, I think that's
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what I mean, because when he steps off the convoy and meets
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up with the, I'm guessing those were probably fireflies at that
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time or, or maybe just regular people trying to resist, you're
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thinking, OK, he realizes the damage that Phedra is doing to
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the citizens. He doesn't want to be a part of
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that. But then when you see him later
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on in the episode, like you said, he seems to be using
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tactics that he learned in Phedra to question the Sarah
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fight that he was holding hostage.
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And it's just like, OK. And I knew it was about to be
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crazy because when they start out, he's there.
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He's he's got, he's at the stove, a gas stove.
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He starts talking about cooking. And in the background you can
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just hear clink, clink, clink, clink.
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I said, oh, he got somebody locked up.
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I didn't think because I, I really haven't watched all the
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promos and stuff. So I've seen the guy that he
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had, but I didn't know in what context he would be in the show.
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So I'm just hearing the clink, clink, clink, clink.
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And I'm like, he had somebody chained up.
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And then for him to take the turn from talking about cooking,
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I was like, OK, is he about to be another cannibal?
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Are we about to deal with cannibals again?
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No, this, this is way worse. Way worse because he takes that
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and heats it up. Just.
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Before he did that, his speech though was pretty telling about
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his character. He was like, there was a time
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when I wanted these pots, I mean, very expensive.
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I always thought I one day would have these and be a great chef
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because they're so perfect. And then the world went to crap
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and now it it doesn't even matter anymore.
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He's. Like I have them, but you know,
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at what cost. Right.
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At what cost? Like, one, there's really not
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anybody to cook for. Two, it's like he was using that
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as he said, he used cooking as a way to, to talk to women because
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he was shy. He didn't know how to approach
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him. But he was like, if I found a
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woman that I was interested in, I would cook for her.
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You don't really have that now and then you have all of this
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stuff going on because just from the the conversation that we got
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with him, the wolves and the Seraphites have been apparently
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fighting for a long time. And it's a circle that that they
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keep going through. They haven't really talked much
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about where it started, but it was kind of like, you know, when
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he talked to the guy, he was like, yeah, you shot one of our
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kids. Is that what your your savior?
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He's the guy was talking about the prophet.
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Is that what she teaches you? He was like, you kill our kids
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and Isaac was like, because you trained yours to shoot at us.
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Oh, it's your fault, it's y'all's fault.
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Y'all did this, y'all did that. And Isaac was like, I'm not here
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for this bullshit. I just need to know where y'all
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about to attack next. And I was like, attack.
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No, what? What do you say was what do you
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say? He said.
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Let's not argue chicken and eggs.
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Right. But when he said that, he was
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like, I need to know where the where the scars.
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I think we talked about this in the last episode too, because
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you gave us you gave us a little bit of a background.
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He said, where are the scars attacking next?
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And I was like attacking. I said, wait a minute.
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OK, hold up. This is going into that
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territory that Mike always talks about.
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You know, you're introduced to people and you think that
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there's a clear bad, a clear good, because in the last
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episode we saw Seraphites who were retreating.
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They were leaving from war. They were trying to get away.
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And then next thing we know, they've been killed, shot in the
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back. So we're like, oh, OK, the
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wolves are bad, the Seraphites are good.
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And then in this episode, it's kind of like, I don't know,
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because you have Isaac and you have that guy and their
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conversation, and clearly Isaac looks like the big bad bully in
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this one. You know, he's taking the copper
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pot, he's burning the dude's hand, He's saying all kinds of
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things. But that dude was.
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So I think once he got over his fear, some of the stuff that he
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said to Isaac, I was just like. Oh, 'cause he said.
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He said when someone leaves WLF, they join us.
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Yeah. And he was like, yeah.
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And he was like, we never leave to join the WLF.
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And I think that's one of the reasons why Isaac shot him,
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because he was like, oh, you know what?
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What this guy saying makes sense.
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Like, I think Isaac was trying to say you guys are the ones who
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are, you know, religious fanatics.
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You guys are the crazy ones. You're the ones who follow a
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woman who doesn't even exist anymore, blah, blah, blah.
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Like, why would anybody want to be with you guys?
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You guys are dangerous. And that's when the guy says
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that he was like, yeah, But you know, he says every day, every
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single day, a wolf leaves your camp, comes to us and follows
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the I guess whatever the, the, the procedure is or the, the
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way. Of the leaf.
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Whatever, whatever. It gets the scars in the face.
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And he's like, yeah, they they convert every single day one of
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your people leaves and and comes to us and they follow us, but we
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never leave to come and join y'all.
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So who is the crazy one now? Like who is The Who is the less
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in theory? I think that's the kind of gist
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he was trying to get. And he pissed Isaac off enough
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that Isaac went to go get the pan again and he was going to
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burn him some more. And the dude had his hand out
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already. Like, OK, whatever you're going
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to do. Burn me.
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I'm not going to tell you what you want to know.
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And then Isaac just shoots him. But I was like, yeah, the
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seraphights, OK, I was like, they're the victims, blah, blah,
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blah. Then you get further into the
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episode and I'm like, what the fuck am I watching?
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What is going on? All I know is if I know we can't
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expect ourselves, some others. But if I'm Ellie and I walk in
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there and I see the bodies hanging, no.
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No, no, not just not just bodies hanging.
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I mean. Bodies hanging with the
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intestines, pulled out and hanging.
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Yeah, I'm looking at them. I'm like, you know what?
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I, I think I I'll let the Sarah fights handle this and then go
00:22:17
back to Jackson. Right, especially now that you
00:22:21
know what's going on. No, no, that was no, that was
00:22:25
before. But yeah, because the guy who
00:22:33
was standing guard outside with the other soldier, I don't
00:22:37
remember what that soldiers name was.
00:22:40
While Isaac was questioning the Sarah fight, that dude, he was
00:22:44
sitting there like yo, this is crazy.
00:22:46
Like Isaac is going too far. And the other guy was like,
00:22:49
Isaac is doing exactly what he needs to do.
00:22:51
And dude was like yes Sir. And he was unsure about what
00:22:55
they were doing. So then later on when we see
00:22:58
Ellie and Dina break in and they come across his body, at first I
00:23:05
thought I said, oh, they must have killed him because he
00:23:07
wasn't with the program. And then I thought about I was
00:23:10
like, wait, those are arrows. Those are not guns.
00:23:13
Right I. Was like, what's weird about
00:23:16
this? I was like, I know that Isaac
00:23:19
killed that guy, so it couldn't have been him.
00:23:22
He couldn't have gotten away and done this.
00:23:24
What is going on? Yeah, but you know when she said
00:23:28
when they were outside and and they go, oh, someone climbed up
00:23:31
the pipe and broke the glass to get in.
00:23:35
Yeah, and I was. That's why I was like, oh,
00:23:38
someone must have came to rescue him.
00:23:41
No. So.
00:23:43
That was probably the attack they were asking about, Isaac
00:23:47
was asking about. Could be.
00:23:51
Could be, maybe not, because I don't think that I know.
00:23:56
Probably. No, because I think it was the
00:24:00
same day. Because when when Ellie and Dina
00:24:03
first got there and they were talking about going, Dina talked
00:24:07
Ellie out of it because she was like, OK, they have a big sign
00:24:10
painted. It's probably a trap.
00:24:13
They'll come in. So we'll wait till nightfall and
00:24:16
then we'll go. So I think it's the same day.
00:24:19
So it could have been at this point I'm thinking there may
00:24:22
have been other attacks, but whoever the Sarah fight or Sarah
00:24:27
fights were that came into that building, they were probably
00:24:30
coming to get the other guy who Isaac killed.
00:24:33
And once they realized he was dead, they were just like, OK,
00:24:36
we're about to show y'all what we made of.
00:24:38
And I was like, you got the one guy with like 6 arrows in his
00:24:43
chest. The pincushion.
00:24:45
Yeah, and then you walk. In one power for him.
00:24:52
And then you walk in and there's like 6 people hanging from the
00:24:58
rafters with their intestines pulled out and just just
00:25:02
dripping, draining. And Dina was one.
00:25:05
She was like, what the fuck is wrong with Seattle?
00:25:07
Because there's an emblem, the religious symbol that was
00:25:10
painted on the back of that guy's jacket from the last
00:25:14
episode is painted in blood on the wall.
00:25:17
And what does it say? She she's something it was
00:25:21
talking about the prophet. I don't remember, but Ellie was
00:25:26
like, yo, the people that the people we saw in the forest,
00:25:29
they did this. Dina was like, what the fuck is
00:25:31
wrong with Seattle? Like, you got people killing
00:25:34
each other here and there. But I mean, that that's why
00:25:41
you're in Seattle, because someone came all the way across
00:25:44
the country to find Joel and kill him and did it in such a
00:25:50
way that it was brutal. So it's like, you know, you
00:25:53
didn't come to deal with just someone who randomly kills.
00:25:58
You didn't come to deal with anybody who's soft.
00:26:01
You came to deal with somebody who is a beast, even though she
00:26:07
was a quiet beast. But yeah.
00:26:11
They say it's feel, feel her pain.
00:26:14
If this is feeling her pain, you know I want no part of this.
00:26:19
But that you know what? But that means that they
00:26:20
probably did that to her because we know she's dead, but we don't
00:26:23
know how she's dead and. They're just repeating that
00:26:27
however she died. Yeah, when I was looking at
00:26:34
that, like who one, It had to be a lot of them because one single
00:26:41
person, you're not going to tell me they took on all of those
00:26:44
people. You got the one outside, you
00:26:45
have the six or seven that are strung up and then you had
00:26:50
another one that was kind of on the ground and.
00:26:53
A whole bunch of casings on the floor.
00:26:55
And a whole bunch of casings on the floor.
00:26:58
And no certified bodies. None, not am body, but you can't
00:27:06
tell me one person did all of that and then had the strength
00:27:10
to climb up and string them all up.
00:27:14
No, he was They were still dripping.
00:27:16
It had. To be a group.
00:27:18
Yeah, yeah. But the fact that they were able
00:27:20
to get in, do all of that and then get out before anybody came
00:27:25
to look, I was like, yeah, these some dangerous people.
00:27:29
So going back to what I was saying, it's like Mike said, you
00:27:32
don't know who to root for one because we don't have enough
00:27:36
information. We only have a little bit here
00:27:38
and we have a little bit there. And it's kind of like until we
00:27:42
know what started the fight, we can't call either one of them
00:27:48
good or bad. Because it could be that the
00:27:50
Wolves became the way that they are because of something the
00:27:54
Seraphys did to them. You know, we keep making Walking
00:27:57
Dead references. I don't like the harmonious
00:27:59
people, you know, the Terminus people, they started out, they
00:28:03
wanted to help survivors, sanctuary for all.
00:28:07
And then some cannibals came and got to them and and kind of
00:28:11
changed the way they thought and it was survival of the fittest.
00:28:14
Maybe the wolves are doing that. But we don't know if the the WLF
00:28:20
is like this because of ephedra. That too.
00:28:23
And it's possible that maybe some of the WLF people left and
00:28:27
started the Sarah fights and there you go.
00:28:32
But if anything, like you said, if anything is Walking Dead,
00:28:35
that's taught us is that there are no sides.
00:28:38
There aren't there. It's just survival.
00:28:40
Yeah, There are no good people. There are no bad people.
00:28:43
It's. Just survival, yeah, you
00:28:45
sometimes you have to make tough choices.
00:28:48
And that that was one of those things that Joel taught us.
00:28:51
Sometimes you have to make the tough choice and sometimes
00:28:56
survival is is a choice you make.
00:28:59
Yeah. Wasn't it in the name of Negan's
00:29:02
group? Was it the survivors?
00:29:04
It was the saviors. The saviors, yeah.
00:29:06
I'm basically thinking they were going to save everybody else.
00:29:09
But yeah. But I mean, I don't know if
00:29:13
Fedrick didn't seem to make it out of this very well because
00:29:18
when they come into the heart of Seattle, they see nothing but
00:29:22
federal bodies all around. Well, I'm well, you had a person
00:29:26
who knows federal tactics, so I'm I'm sure he set them up.
00:29:31
Yeah, yeah. Make it easy.
00:29:34
But that's why I'm saying that Federer didn't.
00:29:36
It doesn't look like they came out of that very well.
00:29:39
No, because all all we're hearing right now are the
00:29:43
Seraphytes and the wolves. Yeah, don't see anybody from
00:29:48
Federer. And then when I came, if it was
00:29:52
Ellie or Dina said was it Seattle bombed?
00:29:56
And it doesn't look like it was bombed sound.
00:29:59
I think there was there was a false report probably.
00:30:02
Well, I don't know, because if you think about it, it's been 10
00:30:06
years and even though it was bombed, it, they may not have
00:30:12
bombed that part of the city. They may have bombed somewhere
00:30:15
over here. And you know, you would get like
00:30:18
some residual blowback from the bomb, but it might not have been
00:30:22
enough to kill everything. I mean, we saw it in Atlanta, in
00:30:26
The Walking Dead, you see it in other cities.
00:30:28
We saw a little bit of it in LA with the ones who live.
00:30:32
So I mean, in 10 years, I think is enough time for something to
00:30:37
start growing back. But again, there was so much
00:30:41
there that was still intact that I don't think the bomb hit that
00:30:45
particular side of the city, you know, but it might have been
00:30:48
enough to to do whatever it did. I mean, there was a tank there
00:30:52
that Ellie saw and she did say that there were three skeletons
00:30:56
in there that had been burned. So it it could have been enough
00:31:01
to to kill all those people or to, you know, do some damage.
00:31:05
But again, the I think the big take away from all of that is we
00:31:10
don't see Federer anywhere. No.
00:31:15
So I don't know if that would be because maybe Isaac helped the
00:31:21
Fireflies or whoever the group was that he met, if he helped
00:31:25
them kill them, if he helped turn some of them because he
00:31:30
can't. There's no way that he was the
00:31:33
only person who had, you know, a bout of conscience to be like,
00:31:41
this is not what we should be doing.
00:31:42
And. For him to do what he did, I'm
00:31:45
sure he seems smart enough to have already had people in
00:31:50
Federal who was going to join him, Yeah.
00:31:52
Yeah, you know. What I mean like people who who
00:31:55
are like minded like him. So I mean, I'm making a lot of
00:31:59
assumptions. I'm trying to give the writers
00:32:00
too much credit. Well, I mean, we don't have, we
00:32:04
don't have a lot of. We don't have a lot of.
00:32:06
Information, yeah. But yeah, I think is a scary
00:32:11
person. I would not want to.
00:32:15
I would not want to be in a room alone with him because I might
00:32:20
well. No.
00:32:21
It's Jeffrey Wright. It's Jeffrey Wright is one thing
00:32:24
a mean and scary Jeffrey Wright, that's a whole other thing.
00:32:28
I'm like, 'cause I was looking at him like.
00:32:33
He's insane. He, he might.
00:32:36
Be yelling because he's so calm. He's doing all of this.
00:32:38
Yeah, like he doesn't seem bothered.
00:32:44
He doesn't like and, and I guess if he's been doing this for 10
00:32:47
years and he thinks he's doing it to protect whoever, again, we
00:32:54
haven't seen any regular people around.
00:32:56
We've only seen the soldiers. So I don't know if if they're
00:32:59
one of the groups that everybody has to fight, I don't know.
00:33:04
But if he's been doing this for a long time, he's very jaded
00:33:10
right now. And he also probably no longer
00:33:13
has the conscience that he did back then when he killed those
00:33:18
other soldiers. Because like you said, it's kind
00:33:21
of survival of the fittest. If that's what you have to do to
00:33:25
make sure that you stay alive, to make sure that the people
00:33:27
that you're with stay alive and these people are trying to kill
00:33:32
them, Yeah, You got to kind of turn that morality switch off.
00:33:37
You know which we it's easy for us to sit here and debate what
00:33:42
they should do, what they should do or to debate morals because
00:33:46
we are not living in times quite like that.
00:33:50
I mean, I did see a lot of parallels in that episode to the
00:33:54
world that we are currently living in, but it's not to that
00:33:57
extreme. You know, you and I still enjoy
00:34:00
some basic freedoms. We still have roofs over our
00:34:03
heads, we still have jobs, we have vehicles, we have money.
00:34:07
We can go shop, we can go to trivia, we can celebrate
00:34:10
birthdays and stuff like that. We can do plumbing without
00:34:14
having to worry about tendrils of courtesyps, right?
00:34:21
Right, because nobody in this day and age really is going to
00:34:24
let the foliage take over the pipes like that to that, you
00:34:29
know, to that degree. So I don't know, it just seems
00:34:36
Seattle seems to be a very dangerous place and we've got
00:34:41
and. We have two people making a lot
00:34:44
of fucking noise everywhere they go.
00:34:47
Listen, I was wondering about that because I'm like, OK, first
00:34:52
of all, the fact that you live in a world with clickers.
00:34:57
Who, from everything y'all told us in the first season, they
00:35:04
can't see, they can't smell, they follow their prey by noise.
00:35:13
Now again, they've traveled halfway across the country.
00:35:17
Far as we can tell, they haven't had any instances.
00:35:20
And like I said, they were talking loud going through the
00:35:22
forest. So I don't know, maybe they just
00:35:25
got careless. Maybe they just felt like they
00:35:27
were lucky. But when they come and they're
00:35:30
seeking shelter and they want shelter that's big enough to how
00:35:34
shimmer, they go into a music store.
00:35:37
And I was just like, OK, I already see where this is going.
00:35:43
They're going to make noise and they're going to get attacked.
00:35:45
Thankfully the attack didn't happen then.
00:35:48
And like I said, we got some nice moments, but still, it's
00:35:54
like when Dennis started with the drums, I was like, OK,
00:35:58
that's too much a guitar. I can kind of sort of OK if
00:36:02
you're curious. And then, of course, we know the
00:36:04
guitar was supposed to mean something a little bit deeper
00:36:07
for her because that was one of her connections with Joe.
00:36:11
You know, Joe taught her how to play guitar.
00:36:14
He was fixing her guitar for her the night before he he died or,
00:36:19
you know, a couple of nights before he died.
00:36:21
So we know that that was supposed to be a, a special
00:36:24
moment. Dina downstairs with the the I
00:36:31
was like, not only she she beating on the drums, she's
00:36:36
doing the symbols too. I was like, are you ringing the
00:36:41
dinner bell right now? Because that's what it sounds
00:36:43
like you're doing. You're reading.
00:36:46
You're ringing the dinner bell. Some of the internal, internal
00:36:52
logic of the show is is so convenient because, you know, I
00:36:58
guess we're supposed to assume that the WLF cleared out all the
00:37:02
clickers, you know, from from the sea is supposed to be gone.
00:37:07
But they don't have patrols. I mean, even Jackson got
00:37:13
patrols. That was the weird thing from
00:37:16
the last episode too, because they made it all the way up that
00:37:19
up that broken bridge and they were like, it's quiet, It's too
00:37:23
quiet. They even said that.
00:37:26
That was weird. Either there are a lot of them
00:37:29
or they're not. A lot of them, Yeah.
00:37:31
Which one? Which one is it?
00:37:33
Right. Either they are making sure they
00:37:36
patrol and have lookouts or they aren't.
00:37:39
I mean, which one is it? They seem to be well trained,
00:37:43
but then again they don't no. You're coming down the street
00:37:48
like you're in a parade all together.
00:37:51
And that that struck me as strange to like you don't have
00:37:55
people on your perimeter. You don't have people going into
00:37:58
the buildings because it's. Still a big fucking city.
00:38:01
It's still a big fucking city. Seattle is not small.
00:38:04
I know, yeah. So you couldn't have cleared the
00:38:08
entire city? You don't have enough people to
00:38:12
watch the entire system. I'm like, OK, well maybe they
00:38:15
can find themselves to like, I don't know, a 15 block area, but
00:38:21
if you're going to confine yourself to a 15 block area, you
00:38:25
need to have lookouts posted everywhere where everything can
00:38:29
be seen. Yeah, and not up in a fucking
00:38:32
building looking through binoculars to say because, yeah.
00:38:36
So I, I had a problem with that as well.
00:38:38
Because even if you let's just let's just take it with a grain
00:38:45
of salt, OK, Let's say they did clear out all of the clickers in
00:38:50
that area in Seattle. They don't have, you know,
00:38:54
they're like, OK, we clear them out.
00:38:56
It's just us. Y'all not worried about any
00:39:00
coming in like you are. Are you really that comfortable
00:39:08
and that naive to think that you're safe?
00:39:14
Even Jackson didn't think they were safe.
00:39:16
And they would literally like, like we said, they were
00:39:19
literally in the middle of where they were.
00:39:23
They had walls, They had strong walls.
00:39:25
They had good defenses. They, you know, they did not
00:39:29
hold up in one spot. You go here, you guys are on the
00:39:34
roof, you guys are on the wall, you guys have the the
00:39:38
flamethrowers, you guys are going down.
00:39:40
Like they had a plan. And we saw that if anybody came
00:39:44
through, they were they were ready for clickers and Raiders.
00:39:47
Now, I don't think they were ready for the clickers in the
00:39:50
numbers that they got. But again, the clickers are
00:39:52
starting to evolve. They didn't know clickers were
00:39:55
going to be hiding up under other bodies, waiting for a
00:39:58
chance to do whatever. And if Abby hadn't have brought
00:40:03
her ass down the mountain and stirred them up, they probably
00:40:07
would have been there the entire winter.
00:40:09
Now, that would have been a problem once spring got here and
00:40:13
the snow started melting. But even with that, we saw their
00:40:18
preparation. We saw what they were doing for
00:40:20
their town in Seattle. We don't see anything.
00:40:25
And it's just, it's very strange to me, but I don't know, maybe
00:40:29
they did get rid of it because when Shimmer started eating that
00:40:32
grass in the music store, I was like, I I'm just expecting to
00:40:37
see little tendrils coming through the grass, but nothing
00:40:40
happened. I was like, OK, because they
00:40:43
didn't even. And again, we're going to
00:40:46
reference The Walking Dead again.
00:40:47
Walk, you know, Walker one O 1 before you enter a building, you
00:40:52
make sure that building is safe. They don't clear buildings when
00:40:56
they go in, No, they kind of look around with the
00:40:59
flashlights. And even with that, OK, I
00:41:02
understand you're being stealthy.
00:41:05
You're entering dark spaces you need to see.
00:41:09
But if you are hiding from people in a building where
00:41:13
you're not supposed to be, the last thing you want to do is
00:41:16
draw attention to someone who can look and be like.
00:41:20
What is that like doing floating?
00:41:22
Yeah. You know, it's just, I don't
00:41:25
know, it's something I don't know.
00:41:29
And maybe it's because we've been conditioned to look for
00:41:32
certain things when it comes to apocalyptic stuff, because The
00:41:36
Walking Dead is not the only thing, you know, that I've
00:41:38
watched. We've watched other shows that
00:41:42
or movies that have zombies and everybody has a little bit of a
00:41:45
different way of dealing with them.
00:41:47
But there are certain things that are basic.
00:41:50
If you are fleeing from a monster who attacks based on
00:41:55
sound, shut your fucking mouth. Stop playing instruments.
00:42:00
But some of this, though, Hanukkah is just playing common
00:42:04
sense. It's not even from all the shows
00:42:07
we've watched, because we get frustrated watching shows.
00:42:11
That's why we yell at the screen, because some of this
00:42:14
stuff is basic, just common sense.
00:42:18
You know, if you're in a dark building being hunted, you don't
00:42:21
flash the flashlight in the windows.
00:42:24
Yeah, I don't have to watch ATV show on the ceilings, on the
00:42:27
ceiling to know you don't do that.
00:42:30
If I know that the thing that is hunting us is attracting to
00:42:33
sound, don't make any sound, right?
00:42:36
It's common sense. It's not even survival
00:42:40
one-on-one. It's just plain common sense.
00:42:43
But this show? This show is starting to require
00:42:47
us to suspend a lot of our disbelief.
00:42:50
Yeah, I agree. It's requiring A suspend,
00:42:52
suspend a lot of our disbelief. We're putting a lot of faith in
00:42:56
these writers. And it's real, you know, it's
00:43:00
hard for me. It's real hard.
00:43:03
It's it's very difficult for me to sit here and be like, come
00:43:08
on, guys, we got to be we got to have our character smarter than
00:43:12
that. If you if you want Bella Ramsey,
00:43:15
if you want Ella to carry this show, she's going to have to be
00:43:19
a legit badass. So she can't be making what we
00:43:23
what it looks like to us. Ricky mistakes, you know,
00:43:27
following her path of revenge. OK, I'm cool with that.
00:43:31
I'm down with that. But I would think that the
00:43:35
lessons that she learned with Joel on their trek across the
00:43:39
country would be more evident than it is now.
00:43:43
Yeah. You know, because he got you
00:43:46
across the country safe and sound.
00:43:49
Not once, but twice. Not once, but twice.
00:43:53
All the way from Boston to Salt Lake and then back to Jackson
00:43:58
Hole. And and it's and they don't.
00:44:04
We know they had hiccups. We know they had, but at this
00:44:09
point you can't afford any mistakes.
00:44:12
You're in enemy territory with the enemy you do not know.
00:44:15
You don't have the numbers, you don't have the locations.
00:44:19
You're flying blind. You can't afford to look like
00:44:22
you make your Ricky mistakes. Which brings me back to I don't
00:44:26
want CWLEI don't want CWLEI want path to revenge Ellie.
00:44:35
Yeah. That's that's what I want to
00:44:38
see. I don't I don't, I just don't
00:44:42
have a go. This, this show, I'm trying like
00:44:48
this episode was like a solid 3 out of 10, like 2 out of 10.
00:44:53
And just because it had moments where, OK, I'm cool with this,
00:45:00
but so much of it, especially that stuff with her, and then it
00:45:04
was just, I just didn't need it. Do you?
00:45:07
You should have done this before.
00:45:10
I would have been OK with you doing this and have them in the
00:45:13
wilderness. As much as I hate being in the
00:45:16
wilderness, Do it then, but not now.
00:45:19
Not now, especially. Not after like, OK, we got to
00:45:25
talk. We got to talk about the the
00:45:27
stuff because leading into what you are saying, OK, when we
00:45:32
first see Dana and Ellie, they are doing like a supply run.
00:45:36
They found an old pharmacy they're looking for like first
00:45:39
aid kit, stuff like that. You know, Dina sees the the
00:45:44
yeast infection, the monistat in in a box and she makes a joke.
00:45:48
OK, cool, fine. I guess it during the
00:45:52
apocalypse, nobody was worried about a yeast infection.
00:45:55
But then when she's looking for stuff, she's talking to Ellie
00:45:59
because Ellie is like, OK, well, I'm done.
00:46:01
I'm going outside. And she was like, yeah, I don't
00:46:03
think there's anything. And she stops and she looks and
00:46:07
her face changes just a little bit.
00:46:09
And then she was like, I'm going to go pity.
00:46:11
I was like do not tell me this chick is pregnant before that I.
00:46:16
Was like, she looked up, I said, oh, she she found some pregnancy
00:46:20
tests. Yeah.
00:46:21
And now, right. Yeah, that's what she like.
00:46:22
And then when she said I'm peeing, I said, oh God, she's
00:46:25
taking pregnant. She's pregnant.
00:46:27
I was like, and then she walks out and she's just kind of her,
00:46:32
her demeanor is a little bit different.
00:46:34
And Ellie even notices. She was like, you OK?
00:46:36
She was like, yeah, I'm fine. And I was like, OK, she's
00:46:40
pregnant. So again, OK, Dina being
00:46:43
pregnant, that kind of raises the states for her character
00:46:49
because now you have you, you realize you are here to kill
00:46:52
people, you know, and, and with that being said, you realize
00:46:59
that there is also a possibility that you may get killed.
00:47:05
And it's not just you. Now you got to think about this,
00:47:07
this other being that is attached to you now.
00:47:18
They go through all this stuff, they go through the cutesy
00:47:21
stuff, and, you know, she plays the guitar for her.
00:47:24
Dina's looking at her like, oh, I'm in love with you.
00:47:26
OK, I, I saw all of that coming and I was just like, OK, so
00:47:30
we're going to have to deal with relationship stuff again.
00:47:33
I want to say it very clearly. I have no problem with them
00:47:36
being a couple. I just, the timing is not great.
00:47:40
I don't even think I would have wanted it before they left
00:47:44
because then that would make things too murky and it will
00:47:46
make it about the relationship while they're doing, you know,
00:47:50
what they're supposed to be doing.
00:47:51
I don't want that. I, I would prefer at the end,
00:47:54
like they've done what they came to do.
00:47:57
Both of them are still alive. They realize that through all
00:48:00
this danger they've gone through, they they have these
00:48:03
feelings for each other. I'm good with that at the end,
00:48:06
but right here, smack dab in the middle, you have them come in.
00:48:12
They find the the wolves hanging from the thing and they both are
00:48:18
separated at this time. They're on opposite sides of
00:48:20
this room. They're finding ways to kind of
00:48:22
sneak around and get out. Ellie gets all the way upstairs.
00:48:26
She can't open the window and then she has to hide because
00:48:28
here comes someone she sees the guy with the with the gun.
00:48:32
And I couldn't tell at first, but I was wondering if that was
00:48:35
the guy who was there in Jackson Hole with Abby.
00:48:40
I was like, is that him? Because the way she looked when
00:48:43
she saw him, I thought it would be.
00:48:47
I thought it was a look of recognition.
00:48:48
Then I was like, OK, maybe she just realized he was about to
00:48:51
turn around and see her behind the door.
00:48:53
In either case, she gets the drop on them.
00:48:56
They fight for a little bit. She tries to choke him out, but
00:49:00
somebody else comes up the other stairs, sees her, shoots at her
00:49:03
or gets ready to shoot at her. Dina shoots that person from
00:49:06
behind, Ellie sticks the knife in the guy's neck, and then they
00:49:10
take off. OK, taking off.
00:49:13
You're running. You try to get out, there's a
00:49:15
fence, and then you're like, oh, here's a hole here we can fit
00:49:19
through. Let's go.
00:49:22
Which, given the circumstances, you don't really have much of A
00:49:26
choice. So I.
00:49:28
Get it? But then they end up in an
00:49:30
abandoned train station, and I already knew where this was
00:49:36
going to go. This is The Walking Dead season
00:49:38
10, the Asheron episodes. I already knew where this was
00:49:43
going to go. So they're in there.
00:49:46
They're like, OK, we need to go hide.
00:49:48
And then here comes the guys from the wolves, from the other
00:49:53
side. Now, these guys are smart.
00:49:56
They're using their scopes. They also have flares, and
00:49:59
they're throwing the flares around, trying to see if they
00:50:02
can catch a shadow of Dina and and Ellie.
00:50:06
And while they're sitting there doing all of that, all of a
00:50:08
sudden you start hearing some clicking and everybody stops.
00:50:12
Dina and and and Ellie are looking at each other like, what
00:50:15
the fuck? And the guys are like, I thought
00:50:18
this place had been cleared out. Yeah, I thought so too.
00:50:22
Well, apparently not. Why are you guys still down
00:50:25
there looking for these girls? When you hear those clicks you
00:50:30
need to get the fuck off. That's just my opinion.
00:50:34
Then then one of the flares, I can't remember trying to find
00:50:36
it, but then one of the flares show tendrils.
00:50:39
Yes, yes. They threw a flare up under the
00:50:43
train car and you can see the tendrils and I think the I think
00:50:47
it might have like just brushed over it, but enough for there to
00:50:52
be, you know, the motion that that they feel because they
00:50:56
don't react to just people talking or people being around.
00:50:59
There has to be like, yes. So they start moving.
00:51:04
Dina starts doing her thing when she's holding up.
00:51:07
I I guess Dina has. She.
00:51:10
Can tell the differences. So she's sitting there counting
00:51:14
one finger, 2 finger, 3 fingers, 4 fingers, 5 fingers.
00:51:19
She gets to that five, but she's like, I have no more fingers on
00:51:21
this hand and she's looking at Ellie like we are fucked because
00:51:25
all of a sudden here comes a horde of clickers and I was just
00:51:28
like, this episode is about to stress me out again.
00:51:34
I think I paused during this scene like literally 10 times
00:51:37
because I was like, I can't, I can't.
00:51:40
It's too much going on. 1st off the soldiers end up dying.
00:51:44
We knew that was going to happen because you dumb fucks came down
00:51:48
here and when you heard them, you didn't leave.
00:51:51
Like you're so you're so dead set on finding whoever it is
00:51:55
that you think you're chasing, which I get it, they think that
00:51:58
they're the Seraphites that killed their people.
00:52:01
But are you really looking at these two?
00:52:04
And I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but are you
00:52:07
really looking at these two little girls that that you are
00:52:09
chasing and you're thinking that they had enough strength to
00:52:14
hoist up all of these grown ass men into the rafters and pull
00:52:19
out their intestines? Like, you really think they have
00:52:21
the strength to do that? I don't think they could tell
00:52:24
who it was. Irritation.
00:52:27
They they could, once they hit the ground and they start
00:52:31
running, they shot at them, I mean.
00:52:33
It was dark. I'm I'm giving.
00:52:38
You're giving them too much credit.
00:52:40
And too much credit. Yeah, yeah.
00:52:43
Because if you think about it, I mean, from their perspective,
00:52:48
they, they did it like that. That's what they literally did.
00:52:52
Been able to fit into that little hole because if that was
00:52:55
the case they would have followed them through the hole.
00:52:58
Obviously Hanukkah obese people are not very smart, OK?
00:53:02
They are not they. Don't have, they don't have
00:53:04
guards. They're not watching the
00:53:05
perimeter, they're not doing patrols.
00:53:08
So OK, I'll, I'll take that. They don't.
00:53:10
They don't know how to run when they hear clickers.
00:53:13
It's almost as if they probably never encountered them before.
00:53:17
I don't even know if I want to say that, but OK.
00:53:19
I want to give him the benefit of doubt.
00:53:22
No, I was going to say, OK, if this is a group that cleared an
00:53:28
entire city of clickers, they probably maybe thought a little
00:53:33
too much of themselves, like, oh, there's however many of us.
00:53:37
I can't remember. It's like 5 or 6 of them.
00:53:40
And hey, we have guns. We can, we can handle this
00:53:44
because I I guarantee you they weren't sitting there counting
00:53:47
the way Dina was counting. No, that's what I'm saying.
00:53:49
I don't think they, I don't think they, I don't, I just
00:53:55
don't believe that these guys, this group has ever had to face
00:54:00
any clickers. And that's entirely possible if
00:54:04
they, let's say they finish clearing out, clearing out
00:54:10
Seattle seven years ago, some of these people, they just could
00:54:15
have been here for three or four years.
00:54:17
True for. Two years and they wouldn't
00:54:19
know. As far as they know, whatever
00:54:22
was there has been cleared out. They may have encountered one
00:54:26
clicker before, but not a whore. Yeah, You know who else's group
00:54:32
was was kind of careless in that way, I can't remember what.
00:54:37
Was it Philadelphia? Was it?
00:54:40
Yeah. Melanie Lynskey's group?
00:54:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they thought, Oh yeah,
00:54:45
we pushed them all out. Yeah.
00:54:47
Yeah. How'd that work out for you?
00:54:49
How'd? They work out for you.
00:54:50
Yeah, so, so, yeah, I I get it. But I mean, OK, so you have the
00:54:56
clickers, Ellie and Dina, they climb on top of the train and
00:55:00
they think that's going to save them.
00:55:02
They get into the train and there's dozens of skeletons.
00:55:07
Thankfully they were just skeletons, but you realize, oh,
00:55:11
OK, we walked into a death trap. You got clickers trying to get
00:55:16
into the train. So you're trying to go through
00:55:18
the train. You're having to shoot because
00:55:20
they're cracking windows. Whatever, whatever.
00:55:24
They finally get out of the train.
00:55:27
They head towards the escalator and one of the clickers hears
00:55:32
them when they jump down, so the whole group turns.
00:55:34
The whole group. Turns changing, they start
00:55:36
chasing them. They jump over a fence and they
00:55:40
go up the escalators. Now the the clickers are kind of
00:55:43
being held by the fence, but the way they keep showing that
00:55:45
bottom corner of the fence, I was like, yeah, that's going to
00:55:48
be where they breakthrough. They try to go through one of
00:55:52
these metal turnstiles. The turnstiles.
00:55:54
And it's rusted so they can't get it through all the way.
00:55:57
Ellie gets through, Dina is almost through, but here comes a
00:56:01
clicker and it's about to get her.
00:56:04
And Ellie throws her arm up across Dina's face so that the
00:56:08
clicker bites her and not Dina. And I was like, oh, so we got
00:56:14
not only are we getting, what do you call it, The Last of Us CW,
00:56:17
but we are also about to have that conversation and make
00:56:21
things even more weird. OK, They come out the station,
00:56:28
they see a old theater across the street, and Ellie's like,
00:56:30
yeah, we can go hole up in there for a minute.
00:56:34
Before we come back to that, so is WLF so stupid that now
00:56:42
there's a horde and they don't have no lookouts, they don't
00:56:47
have no nothing, they don't have nobody checking in on the squad
00:56:51
that they sent out, nothing. Well, we don't know because we
00:56:56
haven't, you know, we're at this point we're just following Ellie
00:57:00
and Dina. We already know the ones that
00:57:02
are down there dead. And obviously I guess the
00:57:05
clickers didn't make it past the turnstile because Ellie and.
00:57:08
Beginner. Yeah, because the turnstile you
00:57:11
have to go through one side and I'm sure the clickers are
00:57:13
pitching on both sides. So it wasn't the.
00:57:14
Turn yeah. So, you know, I mean, and
00:57:18
apparently those clickers, I don't know if they are like
00:57:22
walkers where once the object of their, I don't know, desire is
00:57:27
out, they're just kind of like, OK, they just go back to being
00:57:31
dormant or they go, I, I don't know.
00:57:33
But obviously none of them came up, you know, came up because
00:57:37
nobody banged on the doors. They were, they had a whole
00:57:40
night's worth of peace, which, oh, OK.
00:57:45
But again. They make it to the theater.
00:57:49
And again, they don't really check.
00:57:52
I mean, I realized at this point it's a decision about the evil
00:57:56
behind you versus the evil in front of you.
00:58:00
But if there had been clickers in that theater, they'd have
00:58:02
been done regardless. People.
00:58:06
Yeah, they probably could have taken them out, but I don't know
00:58:08
because they used a lot of rounds shooting those clickers
00:58:11
that were trying to get to them on the train.
00:58:14
So they. Yeah, but then the saved one
00:58:18
bullet at least. Listen.
00:58:22
Because the way her face was looking and I told you, I saw, I
00:58:26
saw the promo last week and I was like, yeah, she thinks
00:58:28
Ellie. She thinks Ellie is gonna turn.
00:58:33
And yeah, she, Ellie, was looking like, damn, I'm have to
00:58:41
tell the secret shit because she's like, don't you shoot me,
00:58:46
I'm fine. She was like, why did you do
00:58:49
that? Why did you do that?
00:58:50
And she was like, yeah, so I would die for you.
00:58:52
But that's not what happened tonight.
00:58:55
I'm going to be OK because I'm immune.
00:58:58
And Dana's just looking at her like, what?
00:59:03
And so, you know, Ellie does this whole thing.
00:59:05
OK? I'm going to go over to this
00:59:06
chair over here. I'm going to bandage my arm.
00:59:09
I'm going to go to sleep. You're going to go on the far
00:59:11
side. You're going to stay away from
00:59:13
me. You're going to keep the gun
00:59:14
trained on me. And if I turn, you can shoot me.
00:59:16
But please, I'm going to be the same way I am in the, you know,
00:59:19
I'm going to be this in the morning when I wake up.
00:59:24
Now again, here, here we go with the suspension of disbelief of
00:59:28
belief because she makes it through the night.
00:59:34
Dana literally stays up all night with the gun on her.
00:59:38
And Ellie, you know, does the whole thing.
00:59:40
She was like, look, there's no shaking.
00:59:43
I'm OK. And I guess at this moment, once
00:59:48
Dina realizes that Ellie is not going to die, maybe that's just
00:59:53
all the emotions coming out because she was like, Ellie.
00:59:57
And I thought the question was going to be, how are you immune?
01:00:01
But no, it's I'm pregnant. And even Ellie was like, what?
01:00:07
And then Dina rushes to kiss her.
01:00:10
So at this point, there, there are two parts of me.
01:00:13
OK, There's the one part. That's like, y'all don't have
01:00:17
time for this. Like people are literally
01:00:19
looking for you and you just got through, you know, crawling
01:00:24
around and dead people, skeletons, fighting off
01:00:28
clickers, all this other stuff. Y'all don't have time for this.
01:00:32
On the other hand, I imagine, and Dina kind of says as much in
01:00:40
the next scene, I imagine Dina is probably relieved because
01:00:45
once she doesn't have to shoot her best friend or the person
01:00:49
that she now realizes she loves, you know, she doesn't have to do
01:00:53
that. She realizes she may not have to
01:00:55
do this pregnancy thing alone. But also they just survived like
01:01:00
something that could have been the worst thing ever because
01:01:04
Dana's not there because she wants to kill people.
01:01:06
She's there for Ellie. And if Ellie had died, Dana
01:01:10
would be there alone, pregnant. And granted, I think Dina is the
01:01:16
smarter of the two as far as looking at a situation,
01:01:20
determining what course of action to take.
01:01:23
She's a planner. But I think if Ellie had died or
01:01:29
if Ellie had turned and all of that stuff would have happened
01:01:32
in her emotional state right now, she probably would've just
01:01:35
been like, OK, I'm just going to sit here because why?
01:01:40
I kind of get doing it. But at the same time, like I
01:01:45
said, you literally just narrowly escaped death.
01:01:52
You've been crawling around in the dirt.
01:01:54
You've been crawling you, you got people's blood on your
01:01:57
hands. You've been doing all this
01:01:59
stuff. Now is not the time to be
01:02:01
kissing and putting your hands down somebody's pants.
01:02:04
It's just, I'm sorry, it's gross.
01:02:09
You're dirty. You're filthy.
01:02:10
I realize you're in AI realize they're in apocalypse.
01:02:13
They're probably used to not bathing and all this other stuff
01:02:17
They their minds have adjusted for that mind has not.
01:02:23
So I was just like, OK, so we're gonna do this now.
01:02:27
And I'm thinking, OK, the people who were looking for them will
01:02:32
probably patrol and do sweeps to try to find these people who
01:02:35
killed their friends. They were going to be, they were
01:02:39
going to be doing that anyway, but they know they're looking
01:02:42
for, they're thinking, they're looking for Seraphites.
01:02:45
And I think they know that when the Seraphites do this, they
01:02:49
don't stick around. So if they didn't catch them,
01:02:53
they're they're gone. They don't, they don't know who,
01:02:57
I mean, they don't know who they're actually dealing with,
01:02:59
but they're going to be looking for the Seraphites anyway
01:03:01
because that's who hung up all the strung up, all the friends.
01:03:05
So, you know, but you're right, I, I, I didn't need this.
01:03:12
This was so unnecessary. It was.
01:03:16
It was, it was and I guess. So I guess the thing.
01:03:19
Is the way they did it the way it's the way it's being done?
01:03:22
I'm not saying there isn't. I'm not saying there isn't room
01:03:26
for this, a version of this. I'm just saying the way it's
01:03:31
being done here in this fashion doesn't really work for me in in
01:03:38
in the circumstances they're in right now.
01:03:40
Right, right it. Doesn't.
01:03:42
Because it's too much danger. And I'm, I'm sorry.
01:03:44
When you are in that type of intimate situation, when you are
01:03:49
making love with someone or whatever, having sex, whatever,
01:03:53
however you frame it, whether it's with somebody that you are
01:03:56
intimate with or whether it's not, it's just a one off thing.
01:04:00
Your mind is distracted, you are not thinking about outside
01:04:06
factors, or at least you shouldn't be thinking about
01:04:09
outside factors during those moments.
01:04:12
And again, you literally just barely escaped being either
01:04:19
killed by clickers or being killed by soldiers because if
01:04:23
the clickers had not come, they would have been discovered.
01:04:26
They didn't have a lot of places to hide, so it just felt it felt
01:04:35
a little. Forced.
01:04:40
I don't. It's out of place and that's
01:04:42
pretty much all I can say. Again.
01:04:44
And like I said, it's not. Right.
01:04:47
Yeah, a version of this, I can't tell you what that version is,
01:04:51
might have worked, but the way it's done here is it's it's not,
01:04:55
it's not, right. Yeah, yeah, especially so soon
01:05:00
after all of that and then finding out about Ellie being
01:05:05
immune. And maybe that's just, maybe I'm
01:05:10
thinking too much about it, but my first thought would be how
01:05:13
the fuck are you immune and how long have you known?
01:05:17
And why am I just not finding out?
01:05:19
Like that's something major to find out about somebody in a
01:05:24
world full of clicker zombies, whatever you want to call them.
01:05:30
You've just told me that you've been bit before.
01:05:35
I just saw you get bit just now. You don't think we need to have
01:05:43
a conversation about that? No, they went straight from your
01:05:46
moon. Immune.
01:05:48
I proved I'm immune. OK, let's have sex.
01:05:51
What? No, pregnant and just have sex.
01:05:54
It's just it's too much, too fast, too weird.
01:05:58
And, and like I said, I, I get it from, I do get it from Dena's
01:06:02
point of view, she's emotional, she's relieved.
01:06:07
A whole bunch of things are going on her in her mind.
01:06:09
And she probably at that moment just wants comfort.
01:06:13
I get it, I do. But to go from that.
01:06:22
And then of course, you know, they, they sleep, they wake up
01:06:24
the next morning, they have a, they're very casual.
01:06:29
Very, and I don't mean casual in a as far as the way that they're
01:06:33
relating to each other. Because.
01:06:34
They're talking about, they don't want to kiss because they,
01:06:37
they have morning breath. They're, I mean, it's, it's
01:06:40
very, it's very playful. It's very oh, we didn't almost
01:06:45
die. Is what he is.
01:06:49
Is is very not, oh, we almost died last night.
01:06:52
It's like waking up in the bed in Jackson Hole and everything
01:06:59
is cool. It's just, it just felt so weird
01:07:04
to me because all this time my brain is screaming, you guys are
01:07:08
not safe. You guys are not out of the
01:07:11
woods yet. You guys are still in danger.
01:07:13
Like, come on, Doris, stranger danger, stranger danger.
01:07:17
What is going on? You need to be thinking about
01:07:22
these things. But OK, we OK, we've already
01:07:25
discussed that. We get some of the background,
01:07:28
you know, because obviously Ellie wants to know.
01:07:32
She was like, so why now? And then Dina says, OK, well,
01:07:36
you know, when I was younger, I told my mom I liked boys and
01:07:40
girls. And my mom was like, no, you
01:07:41
like boys. So basically she was closeted,
01:07:45
you know, her mom shamed her or whatever.
01:07:47
It was like, no, you only like boys.
01:07:49
And then that's how she tried to be.
01:07:51
So that explains her reticence in the last few episodes because
01:07:54
I really, I wasn't sure if she actually was, you know, just
01:08:02
kind of on the download, like, OK, yes, I am gay or I am bi,
01:08:06
but I don't want to say it. Or if she was just messing with
01:08:09
Ellie because they were friends. It was really getting to the
01:08:12
point where I was like, I don't know how I feel about this
01:08:14
because I don't know if you're being sincere, if you're just
01:08:17
baiting her along. And if you're baiting her along,
01:08:20
she got enough shit to worry about.
01:08:21
That's what I didn't want to happen.
01:08:23
OK, so we find out she's positive.
01:08:27
She tried to. She tried to make it work with
01:08:29
Jesse because she actually likes him, but she realized that he
01:08:31
was not the one. And then the talk, again, gets
01:08:34
really serious really fast because they talk about the
01:08:37
baby. They have the jokes about, oh,
01:08:39
I'm going to be a dad or, you know, we're all going to be a
01:08:42
family. And again, it just felt very
01:08:46
weird considering what they literally just went through.
01:08:50
And nowhere during that conversation is the question
01:08:54
asked, How are you immune? How long have you been immune?
01:08:57
How long have? You known it's?
01:09:00
Weird. My, my other issue is that
01:09:06
Ellie, this version of Ellie, the way they've set her up,
01:09:11
being this sensitive, messy person, this version of Ellie, I
01:09:18
would believe would say, you know what, we're going to be a
01:09:23
family. Let's go back, right?
01:09:26
Because we don't see the anger, we don't see the Ellie that was
01:09:32
in the in the room talking to the council either.
01:09:35
Not not until she hears Nora's name and then it's like a like.
01:09:39
And then it's like, oh, I forgot.
01:09:41
This is what we came out. Right, right.
01:09:43
But I'm seeing it's more believable that she would be
01:09:46
like change her mind. Yeah, You know, I I would, I
01:09:50
would believe that more from this verse of Ellie then the
01:09:56
Ellie that we saw when she heard Nora's name.
01:09:59
Yeah, you understand what I'm saying And I don't know all of
01:10:03
all of this is just is we'll see how it goes.
01:10:08
We'll see how it goes. And I, I mean, even once they
01:10:12
hear the radio and, and they hear Nora's name and they're
01:10:15
like, oh, something's going on because apparently there was
01:10:18
another attack between the Seraphytes and the Wolves. 12
01:10:22
people are killed, but we don't know.
01:10:25
I don't think we know who is killed on what side.
01:10:27
So they run upstairs to the roof to see where where all of this
01:10:31
is taking place. And then Dora, Dina actually
01:10:36
sits there and figures out on the map.
01:10:38
OK, so they said they were in. I think they said Lakeview.
01:10:41
OK, that's Lakeview right there. That's where they are.
01:10:44
And you can see Ellie like she has a determination on her face,
01:10:49
but then at the same time, she's thinking and she turns around to
01:10:53
Dina. And she was like, you can stay
01:10:55
here. You don't have to come.
01:10:58
And I knew she was gonna do that.
01:10:59
And Dina was like, fuck you. Like literally says fuck you.
01:11:04
She was like, I'm, I'm, I'm staying.
01:11:07
And she was like, no, things are different now, OK Dina says
01:11:12
we're gonna do this together. And it it again.
01:11:18
It's like the whole night they're getting to know each
01:11:23
other in in different ways because of course they know each
01:11:26
other. They're best friends.
01:11:27
But now they're looking at each other in a different way.
01:11:30
They're looking at each other as lovers, as a potential family
01:11:34
because they automatically, like it's automatically assumed, oh,
01:11:37
we're going to raise this child together.
01:11:39
Yeah, Jess is going to be there, but we're going to be together.
01:11:42
And all of this, again, it does in a sense feel rushed, which we
01:11:50
only have, I think this I think this season is only 7 episodes.
01:11:54
So we're more than halfway at this point.
01:11:57
So I guess they figure, OK, we're going to go ahead and put
01:12:00
this out there and, and make it so so it's not lingering over
01:12:04
the next episodes. But now it's kind of like, I
01:12:09
don't know if I feel like Dina's going to make it.
01:12:12
Because of course, in shows like this, when you give us that kind
01:12:15
of thing, you give us them happy.
01:12:19
You give us, you know, her being pregnant and being worried and
01:12:23
all this other stuff. Something is going to happen.
01:12:26
Something's going to have to happen to kind of set Ellie off
01:12:29
a little bit more. And I just feel like it's going
01:12:32
to be Dina. And I don't want that to happen
01:12:35
because contrary to how we have been talking in this episode, I
01:12:39
actually like Dina's character and I like her and Ellie
01:12:42
together. I think she's a good fit for
01:12:45
Ellie because Ellie is the one who goes half cocked and doesn't
01:12:49
think about shit, and Dana is the one that sits her still and
01:12:54
it's like ABC, this is what we do, this is how we do it, this
01:12:59
is when we do it and Ellie actually listens to her.
01:13:04
So I don't have a problem with them being together.
01:13:06
I think they're great together. I just think the timing of the
01:13:09
way that they did it in this episode was just so weird
01:13:13
because I, I could be standing in front of the love of my life
01:13:18
right now, but if there are clickers trying to get to me,
01:13:23
the last thing I'm thinking about doing is fucking.
01:13:25
I'm so sorry. I'm thinking about, OK, how do I
01:13:29
get away from them? How do I be safe?
01:13:31
And now that I have this additional information, what am
01:13:35
I going to do with this information?
01:13:38
OK, you're immune. OK, you're pregnant.
01:13:42
Those are both kind of, I don't want to say weird things to be
01:13:48
right now, but it does make you vulnerable, Dana, for obvious
01:13:51
reasons, because we've already seen she's had morning sickness
01:13:54
twice, or she's had a version of morning sickness where she sees
01:13:58
something that upsets her, she throws up.
01:14:00
Which again, if she's throwing up, how did y'all folks didn't?
01:14:05
Y'all didn't smell that when y'all walked in the room.
01:14:07
But then again, they probably smell entrails, so never mind.
01:14:12
But Ellie, on the other hand, if Dina takes time to think about
01:14:19
that revelation, she's probably going to realize a lot of things
01:14:23
real quick. She's probably going to realize
01:14:27
why Joel was killed. She's going to realize why they
01:14:31
came back. She's going to realize why Joel
01:14:34
and Ellie had this friction between us.
01:14:37
Because, yeah, if if Dina is as smart as they are making us
01:14:40
believe she is, she's gonna put two and two together.
01:14:44
She's gonna be like, OK, hold up.
01:14:46
So you guys came to Jackson and you left because you were
01:14:50
supposed to go do something. You both came back.
01:14:55
And nobody ever talks about disdain this trip, whatever.
01:15:00
All of a sudden Joel gets killed by outside people here.
01:15:06
We are going to find outside people.
01:15:09
You're immune. I mean, she's going to start
01:15:12
putting two and two together, and it's going to be one of
01:15:15
those things. I think it may cause a wedge
01:15:19
between them. Because if we've been best
01:15:23
friends for five years, you didn't think this was important
01:15:25
enough to tell me. Even without all the romantic
01:15:29
undertones, we're best friends. You didn't think this was
01:15:34
important enough to tell me. And could you have helped with
01:15:40
people like Eugene or other people in the town?
01:15:44
Like is there something that you could have done to help them?
01:15:48
That if, again, we're back, we're back to Joe's choice.
01:15:58
Yeah. And and and and.
01:16:02
Knowing knowing Dora, she would have made the same choice.
01:16:07
Yeah. She would have made the same
01:16:10
exact choice. Yeah.
01:16:12
You're going to sacrifice yourself for something we don't
01:16:14
even know it's going to work. And if they and if it doesn't
01:16:18
work and they'll be like, oh, well, we tried then.
01:16:21
Yeah, it's dead and gone and she ain't.
01:16:23
Can't come back from that. And then you're going to have to
01:16:26
think about, OK, So what if you do find this Abby girl?
01:16:31
OK? Abby's father was the doctor.
01:16:34
So Abby and her other people, we know that they they know what
01:16:40
the rumors were regarding Ellie. So if they happen to come face
01:16:46
to face now and Abby realizes this is Ellie, this is the
01:16:50
whole, this person right here is the whole reason your dad died
01:16:55
and all of your people died. You don't think she's gonna try
01:17:00
to take Ellie and be like, oh, OK, well, we found her.
01:17:03
She's supposed to be immune. I mean, Seattle seems to be set
01:17:07
up pretty nice. Maybe they have a doctor.
01:17:10
Maybe they even have the type of doctor that they need for Ellie.
01:17:14
What was it that what's the name said?
01:17:17
Isaac said to the Seraphine. He was like, we have, we have
01:17:22
hospitals, you know, we have community.
01:17:24
We have hospitals. Very, very specifically we have
01:17:29
hospitals. That means they're probably
01:17:32
equipped to do what needs to be done with Ellie to do whatever
01:17:37
they need to. Do now that you've given the
01:17:39
benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying it's it's going
01:17:42
to be a problem. Because you just because a mass
01:17:44
unit does not make a hospital, you still need a neurosurgeon.
01:17:51
You're going to need probably a pathologist.
01:17:55
But that's what I'm saying. How do we not know that they may
01:17:59
not have one of those? I mean, they had another surgeon
01:18:01
and two nurses in Salt Lake. And I said this before, they're
01:18:07
not going to put all of these important people in one spot
01:18:11
specifically for a scenario like what Joel did again, but.
01:18:14
Wasn't he a dental surgeon? I mean, he wasn't neurosurgery.
01:18:18
Wasn't Herschel on The Walking Dead a veterinarian?
01:18:22
But he's able to do what he needed to do to help people.
01:18:25
Yeah, but neurosurgery is not just something you just be like,
01:18:28
yeah, I got it. Maybe they don't have to do the
01:18:30
neurosurgery. Maybe some of this?
01:18:34
Yeah, I mean, they might be like, huh, maybe a maybe a blood
01:18:38
transfusion is the trick. Maybe that's all we have to.
01:18:41
Do no we we saw what happened to that little black boy when she
01:18:44
put her blood on there he. Came, but we don't answer.
01:18:48
I don't care. We're talking that's.
01:18:48
Your theory we don't know. We're talking about he.
01:18:51
Changed faster? No, because, you know, you walk.
01:18:55
Around and fake the people. No, you know what?
01:18:57
Uh huh. Because now I think about it,
01:19:00
most of the affected people, they turn almost instantly.
01:19:02
Heat survived overnight. OK, I ain't going back to
01:19:09
rewatch so I'll. I'm just saying it's it's
01:19:14
possible. But either way, it goes again.
01:19:19
Here we go. We got we got the soap opera
01:19:21
taking place with the two of. Them hold, hold up, stop, stop,
01:19:24
stop, stop. So they could have done blood
01:19:28
transfusion Sprite, but that would have required them to
01:19:33
sacrifice somebody. Not necessarily, because these
01:19:39
things need to be steady. Well, I mean, so you don't have
01:19:48
to kill someone to do a blood transfusion.
01:19:50
You can like be a live person doing a blood transfusion.
01:19:54
You don't. Yeah, but how?
01:19:55
How you going to know if it works though?
01:19:57
Well, I mean, they could always. OK, so now I'm.
01:20:03
I don't really think they, I really don't think they thought
01:20:06
it through. So my mind is going back to
01:20:08
another vampire movie of sorts, I Am Legend.
01:20:12
OK, Now I don't know if they would ever be able to catch one
01:20:16
of the clickers and kind of restrain it the way that Will
01:20:19
Smith did an I Am Legend. But if they were able to, if
01:20:23
they were able to find a way to kind of restrain it and maybe do
01:20:28
testing on it, like, OK, we have her blood, let's let's see if it
01:20:33
has any effect on her. That could be a possibility.
01:20:37
The only thing that's going to fuck with that is the fact that
01:20:40
they they share a hive mind. So if something is happening to
01:20:44
1, I think the others feel it just like with, you know, the
01:20:48
tendrils. And once something touches them,
01:20:51
it's like everybody knows where to go where, where those
01:20:54
tendrils are located. So that's the only thing I can
01:20:57
think of that would kind of fuck it up.
01:20:58
But if they were able to get a test subject, they wouldn't have
01:21:02
to kill anyone. They'd be able to be like, oh,
01:21:04
OK, well let's just inject some of her blood and see what it
01:21:07
does. They they're saying they didn't
01:21:09
do anything because the clicker's already changed.
01:21:11
It makes it keeps you from. Being that's why I said I was
01:21:15
thinking like I am Legend because what he was doing in the
01:21:18
movie, I have not read that book, but what he was doing in
01:21:20
the movie, it was actually reversing them and and it was
01:21:25
changing them back to. Human.
01:21:26
That's a totally different process, OK.
01:21:30
Look, I'm just throwing stuff around.
01:21:32
We're talking about, we're talking about Infected Mushroom
01:21:35
people walking around with that. That's I'm just throwing stuff
01:21:39
around. I'm just saying.
01:21:44
So I don't know, like, I, I think the most interesting part
01:21:48
of this episode for me was Isaac and what's going on with the
01:21:52
wolves and the Seraphites. Because I have a feeling that is
01:21:56
probably going to play a big picture, a big part and what
01:22:01
Ellie decides to do or not do. Because it's one thing when you
01:22:06
think you're coming to take care of a group of five.
01:22:11
It's another thing when you find out that group of five belong to
01:22:14
a larger group and you're like, OK, well, like Dina said, she
01:22:18
was like, So what if we find somebody who wasn't in Jackson
01:22:21
and Ellie just looked at her. So that look basically told her
01:22:24
we're going to kill them, too, OK.
01:22:26
That's what we got to do. That's what we got to do.
01:22:29
Fine. But you didn't come prepared,
01:22:33
and you don't have enough anger in you right now to deal with
01:22:38
all of the wolves and to deal with these these Seraphites who
01:22:44
apparently have no problems stringing up and gutting people
01:22:47
and leaving them the hang. You are not prepared for that.
01:22:51
No. And if anybody from the wolves
01:22:57
or even anybody from the Seraphites, OK, the Seraphites
01:23:00
are going to look at her and be like, OK, she's not from here.
01:23:04
But I don't know what their practice is.
01:23:06
I don't know how they bring people in, but if she wants to
01:23:10
try to blend in by going in with them, they wouldn't turn her
01:23:14
away. I mean, it was just like what
01:23:16
the guy say. He was like, yeah, y'all people
01:23:18
come to us all the time and convert.
01:23:20
We don't ever come to y'all. If anybody from the wolves sees
01:23:24
Ellie and Dina, they're going to capture them.
01:23:29
They're probably going to question them and be like, how
01:23:32
the fuck did you get into our city?
01:23:34
Where did you come from? How did you know we were here?
01:23:37
That's going to be dangerous for them.
01:23:39
And then if Abby or any of the others happen to see Ellie and
01:23:44
recognize her as the girl who came in guns blazing when they
01:23:48
were about to kill Joel, she's going to have a whole different
01:23:51
set of problems. She is not prepared.
01:23:54
And then for her to be going on this, to have the additional
01:23:58
emotional weight that she now has, she's not prepared.
01:24:05
I don't know if she's, I don't know if she's in the right mind
01:24:09
frame to do what she needs to do now, Grant, if she sees Abby,
01:24:13
I'm sure that's that switch will flip real quick.
01:24:16
But right now, I just don't know if I feel like she's where she
01:24:21
needs to be. She's got 2.
01:24:23
She's got too many other things going on.
01:24:25
She's got too many distractions and she's got too many other
01:24:28
factors that she didn't think about when she decided to make
01:24:32
this trip. So I, I, I don't know how I'm
01:24:38
feeling at this point. I, I don't know, I, I have a
01:24:46
feeling things are about to get very weird.
01:24:49
Things are about to get very dangerous.
01:24:53
I I just need for them to recover from this episode
01:24:56
because this, this does not bode well for this series.
01:25:01
If this is what we're going to be dealing with.
01:25:03
The rest. I was fully expecting we were
01:25:06
going to get like an episode, a body in the episode for every
01:25:10
person that was there that killed Joel.
01:25:12
It doesn't look like that. And and this is I don't, I
01:25:17
don't, I don't, I don't want this.
01:25:19
Yeah. And side note, and you know what
01:25:21
the ratings would have happened to the ratings.
01:25:24
No, I haven't checked. Oh, they've tanked.
01:25:27
Oh, OK. They've tanked.
01:25:29
Yeah, yeah. So you guys going to have to.
01:25:33
Consider. Like I said, we still need some
01:25:36
flashback episodes with Joel. Bring bring Joel back, I mean.
01:25:40
We need more Jeffrey Wright. I mean, he might do it too,
01:25:46
because like I said, we don't know what's going on with Isaac
01:25:50
now, but one thing about him he has he has the Joel and Tommy
01:25:56
vibes. I think from from season 1 when
01:25:59
when they talked about, yeah, my brother and I, we did some
01:26:02
terrible things. Isaac is we're.
01:26:04
We're looking at it. Yeah, yeah.
01:26:07
So I will say this, I still have hopes that Tommy maybe at some
01:26:14
point decided to follow Ellie to Seattle, maybe to talk her out
01:26:19
of what she was going to do or maybe to join her.
01:26:23
But if that doesn't happen, I just and I think we we also have
01:26:30
to remember they do have a season 3 coming up.
01:26:32
And I think I think it was Carlos that I was talking to and
01:26:36
he was like, OK, so I think they're going to stop the season
01:26:38
with the Seattle stuff and then move on to the third season.
01:26:42
I'm like, what Seattle stuff? But I didn't want spoilers.
01:26:44
But if you're going to focus the rest of the season on the Wolves
01:26:47
and the Seraphites, that means we may not get Abby and her
01:26:51
company until next season, which probably won't drop until this
01:26:56
is 20. It probably won't drop until
01:26:57
late 2026 or 2027. Most likely 2027 because I think
01:27:03
season 1 came out in 2023, right?
01:27:08
20/20/2020. 3. So I, I, I don't know.
01:27:15
I'm just, OK, we've established y'all are together, OK, now
01:27:19
y'all need to go kick some ass because that's what I'm here to
01:27:22
say. I am on the I am on the Revenge
01:27:25
Rd. tour. I don't need, like you said, I
01:27:28
don't need The CW stuff yet. Wait until later.
01:27:31
Wait until you've done what you came to do.
01:27:33
You don't need any distractions right now because you already
01:27:37
know. And if you didn't know before
01:27:39
you stepped into Seattle, you know it now.
01:27:42
These people are trained. These people are dangerous and
01:27:46
you don't have time for the distractions.
01:27:49
You don't have time to and I hate to say it, Joel is dead
01:27:55
because Joel let his guard down. He was trying to help somebody
01:28:00
else who won was not part of your town.
01:28:03
I and I think, and I'm going to blame some of that on Maria,
01:28:08
because Joel was the person who was like, we don't need to keep
01:28:12
bringing stragglers in. We don't have the room, we don't
01:28:15
have the resources. Maria tried to make it seem like
01:28:19
he was a bad person for having that thought.
01:28:21
So then when you run into somebody who is about to get
01:28:25
whatever, your instinct now is to save that person, even though
01:28:29
you don't know who this person is, you don't know why she's
01:28:32
there. Like why are you out here by
01:28:36
yourself? Like who are you?
01:28:38
Where did you come from? I I think that's, that's a lot
01:28:44
of the reason why Joel is dead. Part of it is on Joel.
01:28:48
And I'm going to put a little bit of it on Maria.
01:28:51
Ellie cannot afford that. No, she can't.
01:28:56
Like I said, she can't. She can't make any mistakes.
01:28:59
No. She she can't.
01:29:00
She can't. She can't.
01:29:02
Not in this situation. No.
01:29:05
SO OK, I realize you have to go because you have things to do.
01:29:11
So do you have any final thoughts about this episode?
01:29:15
No, but I hadn't thought about the preview for next week's
01:29:19
episode. OK, what's your thought 'cause
01:29:23
I'm trying to remember, I know I saw.
01:29:24
It we're getting sports. Oh, we're getting scores.
01:29:30
Yes, yes, sports and and and that's all I'm going to say.
01:29:36
I when, when, when I saw that at the end of the the preview,
01:29:40
because I'm looking, I'm like, oh, OK, it's, it's, it's going
01:29:43
to pick up a little bit in the next episode.
01:29:46
And then you see the spores and I was just like, she's.
01:29:49
Like, how did you you sent your whole squad down there to die?
01:29:52
We're trying to figure it out. She's like.
01:29:54
It's in. The air.
01:29:56
And then you see and then you see one of them and it's like
01:30:01
blowing spores at Ellie. And I'm like wait, is Ellie is
01:30:05
she immune to the spores too? Like now I now I have deeper
01:30:09
questions but holy shit the the the threat level just raised by
01:30:14
like 1. If anything can turn the show
01:30:17
around, it's going to be that. OK.
01:30:20
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