#thelastofus #TLOU Three months after The Storm, Jackson Hole is still struggling to heal. Ellie and Tommy come to terms with their loss. The townsfolk weigh in on how to handle Joel's murder. Ellie finds out some important information. Tommy receives some advice. Ellie and Dina find a surprising ally when they make plans to go after Abby. We see other viewpoints of the Wolves. Ellie gets a chance to say goodbye.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and we are discussing episode 3, Season 2
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of The Last of Us. I wasn't white.
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Recovered from last week. Did.
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You skip the recap. I skipped the recap.
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No I didn't. No I didn't.
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I watched it, but The funny thing is after the recap, of
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course you know the the opening credits play.
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And this time I had thought I was like OK, I'm going to skip
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the opening credits and I was like no, I'm just going to let
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them play. So I'm just on my phone, just
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whatever. While it's playing in the
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background, you know in the background it has a little thing
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with the Cordyceps kind of going through.
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Then it ends up at the end with the 2 little figures of Joel and
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Ellie. I happened to look up right at
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the end and noticed it was only Ellie.
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It was only like. I said y'all just going to start
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us out this way huh? Just hit me in the gut.
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OK. Then we get the opening scene
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with not only the burning bodies of all the the clickers, but you
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have someone from the town who is cleaning Joel's body.
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And we know it's him. He's he's covered up.
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But you see the watch, the damaged watch that Sarah gave.
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And when Tommy walks in the room, he just kind of looks, she
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gets up and she she passes the, the sponge off to him.
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And then he just kind of looks at his brother.
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He takes the the thing off his face and just stares at him.
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And I was just like, I don't know if I'm, I, I thought they
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were going to show it to us. I really did.
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So I was preparing myself for that.
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And they didn't show it to us, but they did show us Tommy's
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face. And it's almost like, it's
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almost like Tommy looked at him and realized whatever, whoever
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this was that did whatever to him, this was personal.
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You know, it wasn't just somebody randomly come in and
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OK, oh, I found this random person I'm going to kill.
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No, it was very personal. You could tell.
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Like I said last week, you could tell by the damage she inflicted
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on his face. You know, it was personal.
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He sits down. He starts, you know, cleaning
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his arm. He sees the watch.
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And the only thing he says in the whole thing is give my love
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to Sarah. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna
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kill us this episode. I was really expecting, like, a
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lot of a lot of heartbreak. And I don't know, I kind of feel
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like because they did a three month time jump, I feel like I
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didn't really get what I needed to get out of this episode.
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You know what I'm saying? I feel like I needed, I needed
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more time to mourn. I needed, I don't know, I'm one
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of those people's like, I don't know, I I needed to see more of
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Tommy and Ellie, like actually going through the whole mourning
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period. I mean, we got a little bit of
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that, but I just, I don't know, I just.
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How how many episodes do they have this season?
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8. Yeah, they, they don't have
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time. They got time for your tears.
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Yeah. Move on, you guys, move on.
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But it just, I don't know, it just feels so.
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I mean, what you want three months of them just walking
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around moping? And being sad.
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No, I. Didn't know how much time is
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Joel and Oh my God nobody wants that this is bad I just.
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Feel like, I don't know, I just felt like there was a little bit
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more that we could have had. I mean, Joel was the main
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character aside from Ellie. You know, we followed this
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character for overseas and all, you know, a season and a couple
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of episodes. I just felt like his death was
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just kind of swept to the side a little bit, you know what I'm
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saying? Like we didn't get a chance to
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mourn him the way we need to mourn him.
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They could have added a extra 5-10 minutes.
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I. Feel I feel differently.
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I feel like his death is almost like central now.
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It's it's like looming over every scene.
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I do feel, I do feel that part, but I I, I think I need.
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You, you don't have the, the, the grief, you haven't felt that
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grief. It's going to be interesting
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when we do the do the panel to see how 1 feels about this.
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And I may change my mind once it gets further into the season
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because I mean, just kind of how fast they're going.
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Like in this episode, Ellie is already in Seattle.
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So I feel like it's going to move fast and they'll probably
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kind of flashback to that three month period and kind of give us
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something else. And plus, like I said, I know
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that we're not done seeing Joe for this season because we're
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going to get some flashbacks of the conversations he had with
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Ellie, but it's still I just. Yeah, I feel like we're going to
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get, we're going to get flashbacks of the five years,
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not just we, we probably only need 3 month flashbacks, but I
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think the five year time jump, we're going to get a lot of
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flashbacks. Yeah, I just, I don't know.
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I just felt like I need it. I, I don't know, I, I, I feel
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like I don't have enough closure.
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Like we saw his grave. We heard Tommy and Ellie talk
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about him. We saw Ellie go through the
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house and, you know, it's kind of breakdown, those walls.
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But I just, I don't know. For me, it wasn't enough, you
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know, and maybe that's just because I'm, you know, I live in
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a world where we actually have like wakes and funerals.
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And I know that they said they had funerals during that time
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because Ellie was in the hospital for three months.
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But I just, I guess I felt like I needed to be a part of it.
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And now I feel, I kind of feel like something's missing.
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It's like you've been left out of the grieving process.
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Yes, yes, that. And not only that, that's adding
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to my rage because I'm really like, I really want you to find
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this bitch and kill her. But I know there's some other
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things that have to happen in between that.
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But yeah, I just, like you said, I feel like I've been left out
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of the grieving process. Like you went from, you went
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from us seeing Joe's body to seeing Ellie in the hospital,
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waking up with the vision of him being, you know, killed.
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And then it's three months later and, you know, the town has
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started to move on there. You know, some people are
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smiling and laughing and stuff. And it's like, you really don't
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think about that in the course of watching fiction.
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Or at least I don't. I'm always like, oh, they should
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still be sad. But then when I think about it
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in real life, we have to move on when death happens.
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It's just so odd because like I said, I feel like it just, there
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was a little piece of it missing for me.
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But that's just me. I just.
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I know. I'm good.
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I was fine. We can move on.
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I don't need it. Yeah.
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I, I, I think part of the issue is I'm still not, I'm still
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processing the fact that this happened so early in the season,
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you know, like I was expecting at at least midway maybe, but it
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happened so quick and it's like now we have to watch the show
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without him. And I'm just, it's going to be
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interesting to see what that's like because the dynamic with
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him and Ellie for me, kind of, you know, it, it, it made the
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show. It is what it was.
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It was the. Engine of the show.
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Yeah, so now we have to see her and how she reacts with other
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people and how she's going to deal with her grief.
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And I I kind of love seeing her coming out, you know, getting
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ready to leave the hospital when she's having the conversation
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with the doctor and with what's her name, Is it Grace the the
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doctor? OK.
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And it's interesting because she is, she's being a smart ass, but
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she's trying not to be a smart ass.
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But it's almost like she's being the smart ass trying not to be
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the smart ass. You know, it's kind of like
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she's, she knows she needs to say certain things in order for
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them to kind of leave her alone. But she's saying it so
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sarcastically and it's so obvious that she's just like,
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well y'all just fuck off and let me go.
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And I was just like, it seems, I don't know, I just, it's so
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weird seeing her have that vibe with other people when Joel is
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not there in the picture. And I think that was kind of
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what threw me off in the first episode, too, because you really
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didn't see them interact with each other.
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And you hear her talk about kind of their a little bit about
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their relationship in this episode because Grace asked her.
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She was like, so the last time, you know, that fight during the
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New Year's Eve party was at the last time you spoke to him.
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And she was like, yeah. And she's like, OK, well, do you
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regret it with duh? That's how I felt like Ellie
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wanted to ask, like, with duh, of course.
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But I do like the line that she said.
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Your last moment with someone doesn't define your whole
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relationship. Right.
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And I love that she said that, but it's all it's it's also
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still like, you know, that's eating her, you know, that's
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eating at her. But I don't know, OK, I'm going
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to get off my soapbox. I'm just, like I said, I I, I
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felt like I needed to be a part of that grieving process and I
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don't feel like I got what I needed.
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The writers said no, we're moving on.
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And you know what, the writers will probably stick that in one
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of the other episodes later and it's going to hit hard then.
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I I just have a feeling it's kind of going to be like that.
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Like, I don't know, maybe when she finally gets to Abby.
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Like I said, I don't know what happens in the game, so I don't
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know how that conflict is resolved.
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I don't know if she actually kills Abby.
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I don't know if Abby kills her. I don't know what that what that
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resolution is, but I don't know. I just have a feeling it's about
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to be a painful one to watch and also trying to watch her get to
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it. I think it's going to be a
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little, yeah. But anyway, OK, let's move on to
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some more interesting stuff. How did you feel about all the
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all The Walking acid? But before we get to The
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Walking, I just wanted to point out what what is What's Spider
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Man's name? What's that boy's name?
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Tom Holland. No, no, no, no.
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Although I call him Spider man but the the best friend that was
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helping her with the punching back.
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Jesse. Jesse when I think they were
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trying to prove a point to us with Tommy, because Tommy was
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trying to drive the post. He couldn't quite muster up the
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strength. I mean, if this comes over, he
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just. His nice muscly arms and.
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Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, yeah, y'all are
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y'all are y'all living still there?
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Tommy's not going on this trip. Yeah, it's not like, not like in
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the game. It's going to be completely
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different. Yeah, but I don't know, I I kind
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of wonder if Tommy is going to end up heading to Seattle just
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because of the fact that Ellie left.
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I don't think so. You don't think so?
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I think they're trying to give a subtle hints that he he's he
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might be past his prime. Of course I want to believe that
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though, because. I don't either.
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I don't either, but. Because I hear he's quite a
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beast in this game. He's a monster.
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Yeah, and I kind of there's. One part.
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There's one part of the game this is not really, it's not
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really a sport, but there's one part of the game where when
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you're playing is heavy and someone is like sniping at you
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and almost killing you and you realize it's Tommy.
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Yeah, I literally had this conversation earlier today when
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I was at work. Carlos, our friend who is also a
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gamer and who was on our gaming episode at the end of Season 1,
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he came up to me at the desk. And he was like, so how are you
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doing? And it took me a minute to
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realize what he was asking me. And I was like, I'm still not
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there yet. And so we got to talking about a
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little bit about the game. And, you know, he was telling me
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about changing the point of views from who you're fighting
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with in the game. And he was like, yeah, He was
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like, the good thing about this show is they're giving us a
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little bit more background on Abby because in the game, we
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didn't know anything about her. We just knew we were pissed off.
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Like there was just anger, anger, anger.
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She kills him and we're like, what the fuck?
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And then to add insult to injury, you make me play as her
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in part of the game. So we were having that
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conversation and he was telling me he was like, yeah, he said I
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do like the fact that they gave Tommy his hero moment in the
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town. He said cuz the town did not
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happen in the game. Yeah, we talked about that.
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Yeah, I talked to him about that today too, that Tommy did get
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the hero moment. Yeah, but he was like, but in
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the game, Tommy was a beast. I said yeah, I'm.
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I'm kind of hoping that will still happen at some point in
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this show because I need to see it.
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I need to see the Tommy that Joel and Tess were talking about
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way back when. You know, yeah, 'cause it's like
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when, when, when Ellie and Dana get to Seattle, there's body
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bags everywhere. WLF body bags everywhere.
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That was Tommy. Oh, OK.
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One man army. But you know what?
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I'm just, I'm just going to I'm just going to cross my fingers
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and hope we still get to see some version of that in this
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show. Because it's it's almost like I
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kind of feel the way Ellie felt when she when she finally learns
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the truth from Dana about the wolves.
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And you know, she gets names, she knows where they are and
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when, when they take it to Tommy and Tommy was like, hold up.
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I got to think. And she's like, what the fuck is
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there to think about? Let's go kill these, you know?
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In the game he is, he's guilty about what happened.
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Right. And it's also it turns into rage
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and I don't see this time me as being enraged.
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He's not anywhere near that level yet.
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And you know what? I don't think he's going to get
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that. I think they've, I think they've
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decided to write this differently.
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OK, But I do see that point of view also because I I'm starting
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to think, well, one of the things we do kind of realize in
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this episode when Grace is talking to Ellie, is her Grace
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or am I thinking about sinners? I think it is Grace.
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OK. But the one thing that we do
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find out kind of sort is like, kind of confirmed in this
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episode when Ellie is in the hospital and she's a GAIL,
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that's her name. And when she's talking to GAIL,
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GAIL brings up the last time she spoke to Joel.
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And she was like, you know, the last time I spoke to Joel, he
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said he had wronged you. And you could tell from Ellie's
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face that she knew what was coming.
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She knew what she knew what Joel had wronged her about.
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But she didn't know if GAIL knows the man.
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She was like wrongs me. What do you mean?
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She said, yeah, he wronged you. But then he said something that
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was in complete opposite of that.
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He said I saved her and Ellie was like, well, he saved me lots
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of times. But you could just tell from the
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the kind of. Her whole demeanor changed.
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Her whole demeanor changed, and that's one thing I want to say
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about Bella Ramsey in this episode.
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She spoke volumes with just her face and they were so subtle.
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In that scene, she had three different shifts.
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Yes. And then when she was walking
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out the hospital, every time she passed a a part where her face
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was shadowed, you could see her face just suddenly shift.
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But it was so noticeable. And she was so good at doing
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that because, you know, with Ellie, she tries to keep up a
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mass and she tries to keep people at arm's length.
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But Oh my God, her face even the switest the the switest even the
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slightest twinge the whitest. I know I was saying switest, but
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even the slightest change, it was so noticeable and I was just
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like, wow, she is like she is really acting her butt off
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without having to do a whole lot.
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You know, everything about her in this episode for the most
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part was body language. You can see it in her face.
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You can see it in the slump of her shoulders, just the way that
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she was walking and it was almost like she was just devoid
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of feeling like she there was no movement to her walking.
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There was no rhythm to her walking.
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She was just kind of she was walking like a zombie, you know,
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and then everything echoes on her face.
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Her face was so blank up until she saw, you know, the wood
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carvings and then she saw the box with the watch.
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The watch kind of got her. And then when she saw the
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closet, she just couldn't hide it anymore because there were
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his clothes right there. But she was so good in this
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episode. But I I kind of feel like Ellie.
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I'm like, what do you mean? You got to think about it.
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We have to have these rules and stuff.
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And I kind of, I kind of understand Ellie because I think
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for her as well, she didn't really have a grieving period.
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Like she was in the hospital for three months, which didn't they
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just like kick her. I was trying to figure out why
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she was in the hospital for three months.
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He. Kicked her pretty hard in the
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rib. Probably cracked the rib.
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OK, OK. But she was in the hospital
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recovering for three months, so she also didn't get to go to a
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funeral. When she comes out the hospital,
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you know, pretty much life has gone back to the way it was.
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You know, they're trying to rebuild the town.
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They're trying to reinforce the walls and all this other stuff.
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So I, I felt her anger because I, like I said, I, I feel like
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her, I didn't get a chance to grieve.
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And now we have a chance to go and try to make this, well, not
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necessarily make it right, but we get to go, you know, get
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justice or seek revenge. Because I, I heard what you were
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saying, Ellie, about this is not revenge.
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This is about just, no, this is about revenge.
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This is about revenge that girl gave him coldly.
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Seth made a good point though. He did.
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He's like, if you if first of all, if you don't think that at
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some point they're going to come for us because they think we're
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weak and we have resources. I mean, you, you pretty much
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inviting this back to you. But at the same time, I would
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have said, well, in that case, just prepare because if you go
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there and do this, then they're going, you're going to start a
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war. Yeah.
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I mean, and you don't know what they got, just like they don't
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know what you got. Right.
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And you're going to start a war and you don't know what you're
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going to be going up against. Right, because at least in at
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least right now, from just from what we can tell, from what
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we've seen, it's possible they would never come back to Jackson
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Hole because as far as Abby and her friends, nor at least even
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just Abby, it's gone. I mean, she saw the clickers.
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She saw how many clickers there were.
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And they knew that that was what Joel was worried about when they
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brought him to the lodge or when she brought him to the lodge.
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He was trying to get back to the town.
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So in her mind, that's how it could be gone right now because
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of all the clickers and she's it.
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Could be, it could not be. They have power and you know
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that that is something you'd be interested in.
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Oh, well, yeah, trying to figure out figure out how they did
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that. But still, it's kind of like.
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And if you have a large enough force, OK, first of all, if
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they're in Seattle, settling in small towns, it's not a small
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city. So they had to clear that place
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out where they're really good at dealing with a large number of
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clickers. So they want to send a large
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enough force to clear the town out to get whatever resources is
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left based on the clickers. You know what I'm saying?
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But that's. A long way.
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Are you sure? Because they didn't make it seem
00:22:14
like it's a long way. They rode horseback and they
00:22:17
basically got their IF. OK, You asked about how I felt
00:22:21
about them walking in the wilderness.
00:22:23
This was fine because we were spared an entire episode of them
00:22:29
just camping and walking and camping and poor shimmer.
00:22:34
You know what I mean? Poor, poor shimmer.
00:22:37
And I know Bill and Rams is probably like 85 lbs.
00:22:45
So it's probably like can a grown man can a twive them?
00:22:49
But that's a that's still a long way long.
00:22:51
Distance, yeah, 'cause. 'Cause where are they?
00:22:53
They're in Colorado, right? The Jackson is in Colorado.
00:22:56
They're in Wyoming. It's in Wyoming.
00:22:58
That's right. It's in Wyoming.
00:23:00
They're in Wyoming. So, you know, a few 100 miles,
00:23:04
it's still a long way. Yeah, it is, especially when
00:23:07
you're you're light on provisions, you don't have a lot
00:23:09
of food, you know, you don't have a lot of supplies because
00:23:14
you're trying to travel light, you're trying to travel quick
00:23:16
just in case, you know, something pops off.
00:23:19
So yeah, I get it. I.
00:23:22
Understand Seth, I understand this point and I think it's
00:23:25
somewhat valid. It's been 3 months.
00:23:27
No one's come for them. But you know the way these
00:23:30
scenes work, you know, I watched some of The Walking Dead.
00:23:33
I listen to y'all podcast. The communities don't just live
00:23:38
in a bubble and don't get messed with.
00:23:40
At some point they don't, especially when they have
00:23:43
resources. And Jackson had a good long run.
00:23:47
They did. And the resources, the main
00:23:50
resources, People, people. These are good, healthy people.
00:23:57
Yeah. And that's a lot.
00:23:59
Of them. And they did.
00:24:01
But that's how you build your community.
00:24:03
So if you're in Seattle, you're trying to build a big community,
00:24:07
people. That's very powerful resource.
00:24:10
And I don't know if they build the community, they build the
00:24:12
army based on what we saw at the end, it's.
00:24:14
What it looks like the Western Liberation Front, because
00:24:19
apparently, I guess Federer must still be pretty big because
00:24:23
they're people are still concerned about Federer so.
00:24:30
But yeah, that that that little army at the end, I was like, oh,
00:24:40
OK, so y'all, it might take more than the two of y'all to bring
00:24:44
this down. Like y'all don't know Rick and
00:24:46
Michelle, y'all not gonna bring a whole a whole military outpost
00:24:51
down They're. Not.
00:24:53
No. Be a good sniper.
00:24:57
She, you know, Remember when we first saw her?
00:25:00
Yeah. She was being he.
00:25:02
Tom was teaching how to snipe. And she got a better gun.
00:25:06
They gave her a better rifle so I already see what is going.
00:25:09
Let's. Talk about Seth for a minute.
00:25:11
Because out of all the people in town to be her staunchest ally
00:25:18
in this this endeavor, I was not expecting it to be him.
00:25:23
And I feel huh it. Makes sense though.
00:25:27
It does. Makes sense he despite what he
00:25:30
said I I feel like he really respects Tommy and now Tommy and
00:25:37
they probably were kindred spirits because they're very
00:25:42
similar in in the kind of people they are.
00:25:46
So if anyone was going to be pissed off by it would be sad.
00:25:52
Yeah. I mean, and he that's why I say
00:25:54
it makes perfect sense for him to be that way because how dare
00:25:57
they come here and kill this person who I respected and I
00:26:02
love and probably the only person who could keep me in
00:26:05
check. Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:26:07
And I mean, Joel was the person who was helping that town stay
00:26:12
afloat. He was the one that was showing
00:26:15
them how to build things and how to expand and all this other
00:26:18
stuff. I would be pissed too because
00:26:21
you didn't just take someone who was important to the community.
00:26:25
And I understand what the other girl was saying.
00:26:26
Yes, they all lost someone because of the clickers and
00:26:29
everything. But again, this was personal.
00:26:34
This was someone who obviously very purposefully sought out
00:26:39
this person and killed him. And going back to what I was
00:26:44
going to say about Tommy earlier, I have a feeling that,
00:26:51
and I think we discussed this in the last episode, I have a
00:26:54
feeling that Joe probably told Tommy about what he did in Salt
00:26:57
Lake City. And I think when Tommy was
00:27:02
looking at his brother, when he pulled back the sheet to look at
00:27:05
Joe's face, and he just kind of looked at him expressionless for
00:27:09
a minute, and then you saw his face change.
00:27:12
I think that was him realizing that whatever he did in Salt
00:27:17
Lake City called up to him. And I don't know, maybe one of
00:27:21
the reasons why Tommy decided to stay back or he he couldn't go.
00:27:27
Yeah. It might have had to do with his
00:27:29
age because I know he's younger than Joel.
00:27:31
I don't remember by how many years.
00:27:33
But Joel, I think I saw somewhere that said he was 61.
00:27:39
So that means Tommy would be in his probably mid to late 50s.
00:27:45
Tommy may have decided, OK, you know what, yeah, they're going
00:27:49
to go after them. But if this was that personal,
00:27:52
that person may come back and maybe Tommy felt like he needed
00:27:58
to be there just in case. Like you said, if they're, if
00:28:00
they're Raiders, if if they decided, oh, they have
00:28:04
resources, they have electricity, we need to go and
00:28:06
figure that out. Maybe Tommy was like, yeah,
00:28:08
maybe I need to stay here just in case something else happens.
00:28:13
And I do also like Seth because this is like, if I wasn't hurt,
00:28:17
I'd be with you. And I believe him.
00:28:19
I believe, I believe that he would go with them.
00:28:22
I took some friendly fire. She was like, you sure was
00:28:25
friendly because he got hurt when Joel tackled him, didn't
00:28:27
he? Yeah.
00:28:28
Yeah. So.
00:28:31
But I believed him. He did I.
00:28:33
Did too. Oh, because he was fired up when
00:28:36
he got up. I was looking.
00:28:37
I was like. Oh, the person was like, he
00:28:40
probably I thought, oh, isn't it nice?
00:28:42
Seem damn realizing now he he wasn't being nice to him.
00:28:45
Yeah, he. Wasn't this wasn't just about
00:28:47
making amends? He was really pissed off.
00:28:50
He really was. He was really pissed off.
00:28:52
He was like, yeah, and if they come back, if they come back and
00:28:55
you know, and and try to take this town, it OK, y'all would
00:29:02
deserve it because y'all are just sitting there allowing them
00:29:06
to get away with this. He was like they came into our
00:29:09
house and took one of our. Own.
00:29:12
Yeah. And then he proved his point.
00:29:13
They cut to the kids playing baseball on the field.
00:29:17
They're soft. I was so confused when that
00:29:22
happened. I was like, I was like, am I
00:29:25
watching an ad? Because I you know, when I re
00:29:28
signed up for Max, I just did the one with ads.
00:29:30
I was like, you know what? I'm only going to have it
00:29:32
probably just for this and then I'm going to take it off.
00:29:35
I'm not paying extra extra $8 for no ads.
00:29:39
So when the cat to the baseball game, I was like, what kind of
00:29:44
ad is this? And then I saw GAIL sit and I
00:29:46
was like, oh, this is the show. I was like, wow, y'all got that
00:29:51
many kids running around that y'all can make a baseball team.
00:29:54
Yeah, but but the point is they soft the soft and that's where
00:29:59
and they. Got complacent which?
00:30:04
We've seen, we've seen that happen in The Walking Dead.
00:30:06
Yes, and and The thing is. Or Maggie in charge.
00:30:10
They had Maggie. Maggie was in charge.
00:30:13
They hunt them. They hunt them down.
00:30:16
Yeah, but but that's my thing because it's like, why were you
00:30:21
sitting in stands playing baseball?
00:30:24
And I, I get it. It's been 3 months.
00:30:28
They've had time to grieve, they've had time to start the
00:30:32
healing process. Life goes on, I get that.
00:30:36
But your town was almost wiped out.
00:30:40
Not by people, by them fucking clickers.
00:30:44
By so many clickers. Y'all didn't even know we're
00:30:48
that close to your town. How are you this relaxed right
00:30:52
now? Wow.
00:30:55
I mean, yeah, I get it, the snow has melted, there's nowhere for
00:30:58
them to hide right now. But you already have a
00:31:03
eyewitness account of them being smarter.
00:31:06
And then you have what happened in the winter happened with all
00:31:11
of them just coming up out the the ice.
00:31:14
And I granted, I know that nobody else saw that, but those
00:31:19
thousand clickers didn't just come from nowhere.
00:31:24
Y'all are letting them get too close to you.
00:31:27
And that's going to be a disaster because like Ellie said
00:31:30
in her speech, she was like, you know, community is not about,
00:31:35
you know, parties and New Year's Eve parties and even building
00:31:38
walls. She was like, cuz that thing got
00:31:40
fucking broke, broken through. It took what, three hits from
00:31:45
that bloater and that was it, that was it.
00:31:49
But y'all sitting there playing baseball.
00:31:53
I, I was just kind of looking at some of this stuff in this
00:31:57
episode. I was like, you know what?
00:31:58
I just, I, I don't know, I don't know, like I get you can't live
00:32:05
in fear all the time but y'all just got invaded by 1000 damn
00:32:11
clickers. Y'all should not be playing
00:32:13
T-ball right now. I have a question from season 1.
00:32:19
You remember they did federal take kids and start training
00:32:23
them as children. Yes they do.
00:32:25
They what Ellie was, she was in that program.
00:32:29
So, you know, maybe some of these people remember that and
00:32:33
they don't want their kids to be like that.
00:32:35
But I'm like, there's a reason for that.
00:32:38
They live in a world where they're going to need to be able
00:32:41
to to fight things that you can't talk to or reason with.
00:32:47
Right. Or bargain with.
00:32:49
And I get I get one of your children to have a childhood
00:32:52
still. I get wanting them to kind of be
00:32:56
carefree and not think about the big things because, you know, in
00:33:01
our that would be a grown up problem.
00:33:04
It would be a grown up problem. But those things don't
00:33:07
discriminate against, you know, between adults and children and
00:33:13
your children. Yes, I know you guys have this
00:33:16
plan of, you know, if something happens, if Raiders come, if
00:33:20
clickers come, you send the children and the elderly down to
00:33:23
the basement and lock them in. Those kids need to, I hate to
00:33:28
say it, hate to say it, they need to see what what's going on
00:33:33
in that world and they need to know more than just to run and
00:33:37
hide. Because at some point, they're
00:33:41
going to be the ones that are the adults and they're going to
00:33:45
need to be, they're going to need to know how to take care of
00:33:48
themselves. Yeah.
00:33:49
And. And not not just with the
00:33:52
clickers, but I mean just even in the town.
00:33:54
I think that was also something that they were trying to tell us
00:33:58
with Tommy not being able to hit the post and then Jesse coming
00:34:02
in. It's like, OK, you know what?
00:34:04
It's about to start ushering in the new generation.
00:34:08
They're going to be the ones that have to take over.
00:34:10
I think even Ellie said something about it in the last
00:34:13
episode about Jesse. She said we all know you're
00:34:15
going to be in charge of Jackson one day.
00:34:17
She said that to him. So I think they're showing us
00:34:20
that. But if if your children aren't
00:34:22
prepared, there's not going to be a future in Jackson.
00:34:25
How many babies were they taken down into the basement?
00:34:28
A. Lot.
00:34:30
You know, it's just kind of like, yeah, I don't, I don't
00:34:35
know, it just it, it was a very weird contrast to me because
00:34:40
again, like for me, Joel just died the last episode.
00:34:44
All the townspeople just died in the last episode.
00:34:47
I just feel like y'all should still be cautious, even if not
00:34:53
in mourning. Still be cautious, you know how,
00:34:58
how is the the wall doing? How are your buildings doing?
00:35:02
Is everything reinforced because those clickers got through?
00:35:08
They got through the wall. They were busting through doors
00:35:11
and windows. And do y'all really have the
00:35:15
resources to fix all of that? Because if so, I I I need to go
00:35:19
to Jackson Hole when the apocalypse hits.
00:35:24
Maybe, but I don't know if they got clickers hiding in the snow,
00:35:27
that may not be where I want to be.
00:35:30
I might need to just stay my ass in Georgia.
00:35:33
Right. But let's talk about a
00:35:35
conversation between GAIL and and Tommy.
00:35:40
GAIL is like, oh, you think she's lying?
00:35:43
Oh, she's a liar. Oh, she's a liar.
00:35:45
Yeah, like I said, GAIL was peeping their face in the
00:35:47
hospital. GAIL was like, he's.
00:35:49
Like there's a difference between lying and being a liar.
00:35:52
Oh, she's a liar. I know she's a liar.
00:36:00
I mean, she's telling the truth. She, I mean, because we know
00:36:04
this Ellie, Ellie is a pretty practiced liar, you know?
00:36:13
Her Her life now is deception. She has to hide where she is.
00:36:22
And that's, you know, that's the thing I thought, I thought she
00:36:26
was freaking out in the promos when she wakes up in the
00:36:30
hospital because, you know, they're doing, they have a tube
00:36:34
going into her. And I don't, I don't know what
00:36:36
that tube was doing, but I was like, oh, maybe they're not
00:36:39
supposed to be doing that. Because, you know, we talked
00:36:42
about this. We were like, OK, they didn't do
00:36:46
any tests when they had her in Salt Lake.
00:36:48
They were just going to be like, oh, OK, we're just going to play
00:36:50
around in her brain and see if we can figure out how to kill
00:36:53
the Cordyceps. And I'm like, oh, they actually
00:36:56
like they have a running hospital.
00:36:59
They have a place that is, you know, they have the machinery,
00:37:02
they have the equipment. And I was thinking, I was like,
00:37:05
oh, maybe this is not a good thing.
00:37:07
And maybe it still isn't a good thing nothing came of it in this
00:37:11
episode. But that's not to say that later
00:37:13
on that doctor might not look at her blood and be like, there's
00:37:17
something interesting here. I still say that little boy had
00:37:20
changed too fast when she started trying to put her blood
00:37:23
in his womb, so I'm just saying just because she's immune
00:37:30
doesn't mean she isn't a walking functioning clicker.
00:37:36
Yeah. High functioning.
00:37:44
So another thing that I like about this episode is I would
00:37:50
say Dina is very much growing on me, but also because I love the
00:37:56
way that Dina is just basically like, OK, here's the
00:37:59
information, this is what we're going to do, blah, blah, blah.
00:38:01
And she keeps saying we, we, us, we.
00:38:05
And Ellie is letting her do it. That's one thing that kind of
00:38:08
irritates me about some shows and movies when you have your
00:38:12
friend, your ride or die and they're like, oh, no, I'm going
00:38:15
to do this with you. Oh, no, you can't go.
00:38:17
I, I I don't want you to get in trouble.
00:38:20
Ellie's just like, OK, because I feel like she's, I was thinking
00:38:26
about it. It's kind of like the Harry, Ron
00:38:28
and Hermione thing. It's like Harry and Rhonda are
00:38:31
like, oh, we could do it, but we would die if we didn't have
00:38:34
Hermione with us. And I feel the same way with
00:38:37
Ellie. Like Ellie is about to go half
00:38:39
cocked on everything and Dana is the one that's actually sitting
00:38:43
there. She's the cool, she's the calm,
00:38:46
she's the one that's calculating.
00:38:48
She's the one that's thinking, OK, we need this, we need that,
00:38:51
we need to take this, you can't wear those shoes, blah, blah,
00:38:53
blah, blah, blah. And somebody pointed it out on
00:38:58
social media. I think it may have been on
00:39:00
threads. So I didn't know why Isabella
00:39:04
Merced looked familiar to me. And it's because she played the
00:39:07
live action Dora the Explorer. So somebody was like, she really
00:39:12
came up in Ellie's house and was like, you need boots and a
00:39:15
backpack and she had them. Wow, wow.
00:39:25
I saw that today and I was like. Backpack, backpack, backpack.
00:39:30
She walked in and asked Ellie. She was like, OK, so what's the
00:39:33
plan? What are you going to do?
00:39:34
Do you have medicine? Do you have this?
00:39:36
Do you have that? How are you going to get there?
00:39:38
She was like, I'm going to go northwest.
00:39:40
No, you're going to have this trusty map.
00:39:43
That's all the map. So we have boots, the backpack,
00:39:47
and the map. Wow, wow.
00:39:53
Like as soon as they said that I watched the episode again right
00:39:56
before we started recording and I was like, now I can't Unsee
00:40:00
it. She is going to be Dora for me
00:40:04
for the rest of this season. Now our audience is not going to
00:40:07
be able to see it either. Backpack, backpack, backpack,
00:40:13
backpack. Wow, thanks for that Hunter
00:40:20
girl. I had to share it.
00:40:22
I thought it was so funny because I I had of course I
00:40:26
haven't seen the live action door.
00:40:27
Like my kids are in their 20s and almost 30 now.
00:40:30
So I never saw it in theaters. And how I just kept looking her
00:40:35
at her like I've seen her face before, but I don't know what
00:40:38
I've seen her on. I saw her on the promos and like
00:40:41
the commercials. But of course, this was like
00:40:43
years ago. She was a lot younger so when
00:40:46
they said that I was like Oh my God, this is in my head now All
00:40:50
we need is a fucking monkey to walk past in that forest on.
00:40:56
And no, absolutely not. No.
00:41:04
And what was Stitcher? What was his name?
00:41:10
No, you're talking about Swiper. Swiper.
00:41:13
Swiper was. The was the raccoon the the
00:41:15
thieving raccoon. Swiper no swiping.
00:41:18
Yeah, the monkey was Boots. Boots.
00:41:21
I know I was trying to remember Swiper's name.
00:41:23
Swiper. No swiping.
00:41:25
Swiper. No Swiper, so hopefully I won't
00:41:32
call her Dora instead of Dina for the rest of the.
00:41:34
Season. Oh, no, She's Dora now she's
00:41:37
Dora. You can't.
00:41:38
You can't take that back. No tape backs.
00:41:40
No, no, no tape backs. Season.
00:41:44
No. That's Dora.
00:41:45
From this point forward, Dina will forever be known as Dora.
00:41:52
I can't say. Dina.
00:41:53
Dinah. Dina.
00:41:54
Dina. Dina.
00:41:55
No. Dora.
00:41:56
Dora. Dora.
00:41:58
Master, you got a holster for that gun?
00:42:01
Yeah. Yeah, and she did ask her that.
00:42:04
She was like, so you got a gun? What you got?
00:42:08
She pulls out Joel. Why does Joel's gun look so big
00:42:12
compared to Ellie? That thing is like the size of
00:42:18
her face, It's huge. It is.
00:42:21
And she's like, yeah, this is what I'm going to kill Abby
00:42:23
with. I'm like, OK, so she has a plan
00:42:26
with that at least. Let's go to a less a less funny
00:42:33
or a more serious part of the episode because we are
00:42:37
introduced to a new group of people.
00:42:39
I'll be it very swiftly, but I think the web called them Sarah
00:42:47
fights and they're supposed to be like, and they're supposed to
00:42:52
be like some type of religious group that, you know, at at the
00:42:57
time that we see them in the show, they are actually fleeing,
00:43:01
I guess, from a settlement that they weren't in.
00:43:04
They're trying to go somewhere else.
00:43:06
And you see the daughter, a daughter and her father.
00:43:09
They're having a conversation and he's trying to like teach
00:43:13
her about their ways and about someone they called the prophet
00:43:18
who is no longer with them. But she kind of saw the way
00:43:22
things were supposed to be and they kind of followed her
00:43:26
teachings and, and you know, the signs that she laid out for
00:43:29
them. And they have this system.
00:43:34
There's, there's a whole group of them walking forward and then
00:43:37
there's one lone straggler towards the back.
00:43:40
And they have this system where they whistle to each other to
00:43:45
kind of let them know their status.
00:43:49
Now I'm going to say I understand that might have been
00:43:53
a smart method of communication, I just didn't think it was
00:43:57
smart. Then because you're walking and
00:44:00
you're you're whistling, you're making this loud sound that is
00:44:04
very distinctively a communication method.
00:44:10
If you are worried enough that you have someone on lookout to
00:44:16
make sure that nobody is following you, y'all should have
00:44:20
been a little more stealthy than than you were.
00:44:23
Like you're literally whistling. But a large crowd moving like
00:44:30
that is very hard not to leave a trail, so the whistling wouldn't
00:44:37
have made that much of a difference because someone
00:44:40
already picked up their trail. And when you have that many
00:44:43
people, it's kind of hard to hide your trail.
00:44:46
Yeah, but you, you literally, it's like you put yourself on a
00:44:50
platter was like, hey, here we are.
00:44:52
We're right. Whistling.
00:44:54
They were already being hunted. The whistling wasn't.
00:44:58
And yeah, yeah, the whistling didn't tip anybody off.
00:45:02
They were already once. Once someone figured out a large
00:45:05
group of people moving, they probably knew who they were or
00:45:09
what they were. OK.
00:45:12
I only know this because I know something 'cause they're in the
00:45:15
game, they're in the game too, so.
00:45:17
Oh OK, 'cause I was going to say what is the deal with the like
00:45:21
they they all have these identical.
00:45:24
Slides on their I don't know why they have the scars, but I know
00:45:27
that that's the derogatory term used to refer to them, which
00:45:33
they don't like. They're called scars and they
00:45:35
don't like that. Oh, OK, OK.
00:45:38
I don't know. I don't know.
00:45:40
I haven't. I don't know that much about
00:45:42
them, but I do know that that part that that's a derogatory
00:45:46
term. OK, yeah, I I didn't go look it
00:45:49
up because I was like, OK, as much as I want the information,
00:45:54
I still want to be able to separate game from show.
00:45:58
So I don't want too much information from the game
00:46:01
because I have a feeling if they introduce them in this way and
00:46:05
then took them off the board so quickly, I don't think that's
00:46:08
the last we're going to hear about them.
00:46:10
So I kind of want to learn it organically through the show.
00:46:15
Yeah, I think, I think that's right, because why introduce
00:46:19
them and then kill them off? Like so quickly.
00:46:22
Yeah, I'm. Sure, we'll see them again.
00:46:25
What I will say about that group is they did realize that someone
00:46:30
was following them. They went to go hide and the the
00:46:34
little girl was asking him if it was demons, which I'm assuming
00:46:37
that's what they call the clickers.
00:46:40
And her father said no wolves. So I'm like OK, so that means
00:46:47
that the group that Abby was with the Washington Liberation
00:46:50
Front, they are hunting these people for what I don't know.
00:46:56
But I will say this, I already do not like the wolves because
00:47:04
you shot unarmed people in the back.
00:47:06
Not once, multiple times. Shooting someone in the back is
00:47:11
a sign of a coward. And children.
00:47:14
And children, yeah, but in the back like you not even face to
00:47:20
face. And what are you going to do?
00:47:22
They they have like hammers. You have obviously, you have
00:47:26
advanced weaponry and you killed all of them.
00:47:31
I was like, OK, so you guys are setting it up to let me know
00:47:34
that I'm not, you know, in addition to Abby, which again, I
00:47:37
can kind of sort of be sympathetic to her reasoning for
00:47:41
killing Joel, but that doesn't mean I accept it.
00:47:44
But y'all are already telling me that the wolves are people I'm
00:47:47
not going to like. Maybe kind of like Federer.
00:47:51
I think they don't want us to like the wolves.
00:47:54
Yeah, I think we're not supposed to.
00:47:56
OK, good. Because if y'all are going to
00:47:59
introduce them this way, like, you know, they're killing,
00:48:02
coming across the country to kill Joel and now they're
00:48:06
hunting down these what seem like peaceful people because
00:48:10
they were running away from the war.
00:48:13
They were like, yeah, we're we're going this way.
00:48:15
War is this way. We're going to go this way.
00:48:19
We're we're going to. It kind of reminds me of the
00:48:21
Tuathlon in a Wheel of Time. I was like, OK, peace loving
00:48:26
people, they're going to go OK cool.
00:48:30
And then you have this group that just hunts them and guns
00:48:33
them down. I was like, OK, so this is how
00:48:36
y'all are starting us off with the wolves.
00:48:38
Keep that same energy. Don't bring me no bullshit.
00:48:42
You know, sob story in episode 6 about why they do the things
00:48:46
they do. I don't want to hear it at this
00:48:48
point, at this. Point because because people
00:48:52
that walk around like this who don't have guns don't harm
00:48:55
themselves. They just say they're becoming
00:48:57
clickers and that and that's the problem.
00:49:00
So you go ahead and take care of them now, otherwise you're going
00:49:04
to be killing them and they're clickers.
00:49:06
But what? Add to the clicker population.
00:49:08
But I guess the the problem is they are still human at this
00:49:12
point. I know think.
00:49:13
That you are so quick to kill them instead of saying, oh, OK,
00:49:19
let us take you into our, I don't know, protective custody,
00:49:23
Let let us invite you into our kind of like what Jackson does.
00:49:27
I mean, granted, bringing all of those people into your community
00:49:33
does cause A cause a strain on resources, but guess what?
00:49:37
You had more bodies to fight when the time came to it.
00:49:41
Yeah, but these people were like the twat, the one.
00:49:42
They're not from the fight. They still didn't deserve to die
00:49:47
like that. They literally.
00:49:49
They literally slaughtered them like animals.
00:49:53
I don't know, but I'm just saying I'm I'm sure what?
00:49:59
Let's back up for a second. What bothered me about this
00:50:03
show, and this is just a general statement about shows like this.
00:50:07
When you have different factions, why are we all
00:50:11
fighting each other like? Survival.
00:50:14
They're they're coming away. They come, yeah, but they're
00:50:16
coming away from a war. So the war is not with the
00:50:19
clickers. The war is probably between
00:50:21
factions. Yeah.
00:50:23
And whoever else, it's like, guys cheer it out.
00:50:27
Yeah, you know what I mean, If you if you think about anything
00:50:30
that we watch. I know.
00:50:32
Especially when it comes to like dystopian apocalyptic stuff.
00:50:36
It's about resources. It's about resources and it's
00:50:39
always about the people, even with The Walking Dead, that the
00:50:44
the real problem isn't the walkers, it's the other people.
00:50:50
And in that sense, you know, we always make the joke about when
00:50:53
Rick and his folks find a new place, you know that that place
00:50:58
falls. But you know what?
00:51:00
It's it's kind of the same thing.
00:51:02
Especially one if if you are being told OK this is the way it
00:51:07
is outside of your walls and you need to adapt so that trouble
00:51:12
when trouble finds you, you can handle yourself.
00:51:15
It would have only been a matter of time before Negan would have
00:51:18
found Alexandria. Even before Rick and them were
00:51:22
there. The only reason why they
00:51:23
realized that Rick and them was there was because they what was
00:51:27
it? They pulled Daryl, Abraham and
00:51:32
Sasha off the road and they ended up killing their people.
00:51:35
They were like, OK, when these people had to come from
00:51:37
somewhere in this area and they start looking, but eventually
00:51:41
they would have made their way there because that's what they
00:51:44
were doing. But it's.
00:51:46
The same thing. It's the same thing.
00:51:49
Not the Republic, but the other place.
00:51:51
They were sending out people to find and infiltrate communities.
00:51:57
They were doing this. Yeah, right.
00:52:01
So it's just I, I don't know why people do that because.
00:52:06
Scarcity of resources. Scarcity of resources.
00:52:10
Yeah, but if you have more people to find things and to
00:52:13
make things, and, you know, maybe that's something going
00:52:18
back to The Walking Dead, something similar to what the
00:52:20
Commonwealth was doing when they insert people, they basically
00:52:24
were like, OK, So what did you do in your past life?
00:52:27
How are you going to contribute here?
00:52:29
And they made it to a point where they had a functioning
00:52:32
society because they had so many different people doing different
00:52:36
things and they were able to increase their resources.
00:52:39
And then there's still that whole train mess that we never
00:52:42
found out about. But they were obviously in
00:52:45
communication with at least one other community that they were
00:52:49
able to trade with. Ideally, you would think that in
00:52:53
a in a world like this where there are limited people, there
00:52:58
are limited resources, there is this big monster, this big enemy
00:53:04
that you know, will cost people if you have to fight them.
00:53:09
And, you know, in small numbers, you would think, OK, well, let's
00:53:12
band together. Let's try to, you know, let's
00:53:15
try to build something. Let's try to create AI don't
00:53:19
know if you want to necessarily say a army, but you know, let's
00:53:22
let's get enough people to defend where we are.
00:53:27
Let's have some farmers over here planting, look, planting
00:53:32
corn, like the guy was saying in the in the meeting.
00:53:36
And I was just like, dude, if you had a little bit more
00:53:38
enthusiasm about what you were doing, maybe they wouldn't have
00:53:41
all been like, OK, you need to sit down.
00:53:43
We want to talk about the real stuff because he was talking
00:53:45
about important stuff. He's like, look, we need to get
00:53:48
our food and our crops. He's going, he lives in line.
00:53:54
He's like, no, it's a difficult crop to grow, but it's a good,
00:53:56
it's a good crop. Yeah, and and, and it will be
00:53:59
plenty, but I, I don't know why they don't do this.
00:54:03
People like the wolves, if that is what they do, if that is what
00:54:07
they do again, we we only saw like a glimpse of them towards
00:54:10
the end. So we don't know what their MO
00:54:12
is, But if that is what they do, if they hunt down people just
00:54:16
because, oh, OK, you're weak, you're going to be a liability.
00:54:21
I just can we can we stop with that?
00:54:25
It's The Walking Dead. The CRM did the same thing.
00:54:28
You're A's or B's if you're, you know, if you're A, if you're
00:54:31
someone who's strong and who, who could possibly like, lead,
00:54:35
oh, we're going to kill you because you might be a threat to
00:54:38
the way we do things. It's.
00:54:41
I don't know. That, that was my point.
00:54:43
That's my point. It's like, why, why are we, why
00:54:45
are we built this way? You know, this is, it's
00:54:49
terrible. I don't know.
00:54:51
Yeah. And, and you would think and in
00:54:55
shows like this, or even in times like in real life, in war,
00:55:00
once you have these these genocides or once you have these
00:55:05
wars that kind of wipe things out, they completely change your
00:55:09
way of living or whatever, you would think that people will
00:55:12
learn, OK, we have to do better so we don't have to go through
00:55:15
this again. And for some reason it just
00:55:20
never clicks. You still have idiots who want
00:55:24
to repeat the same things that were done 40506070 years ago.
00:55:29
We are seeing that in our present day world, you know, And
00:55:34
it's just like, I don't understand, like what is what is
00:55:38
so ingrained in humanity that we feel the need to always oppress
00:55:43
somebody else? I don't get it.
00:55:47
There are worse things out there.
00:55:49
It's fear, yes. But all that to say, I'm not
00:55:58
liking the wolves from what what I know of them right now.
00:56:03
But I'm also fearful now for Ellie and Dana because they've
00:56:09
made it all the way to Seattle. They apparently have had no
00:56:13
issues making it from Wyoming to Seattle.
00:56:16
They haven't. They apparently haven't come
00:56:18
across any clickers. They haven't attracted anybody
00:56:22
else with all the loud talking and games that they're playing
00:56:25
on horseback. But it's only two of them.
00:56:30
I was watching with Michelle and she was like, why are they
00:56:32
making so much noise? And see, Michelle watches
00:56:36
walking down with us. This is a conversation we've had
00:56:38
before. Like you don't.
00:56:40
You are in an area you know nothing about.
00:56:43
You don't know what's in this area.
00:56:45
You don't know who's in this area.
00:56:48
And I'm sorry. I understand.
00:56:50
Ellie. You.
00:56:51
Yeah, you you are a badass. You are not.
00:56:54
I'm about to take out this whole wolf army badass.
00:56:59
You don't even know that that army is there.
00:57:01
You just know that your laser focused on this one chick and
00:57:06
her friends because yeah, she's going to kill them all.
00:57:09
I she said I'm going to kill you.
00:57:12
I'm going to kill all of you. Yeah.
00:57:15
And I believe she's going to have that happen.
00:57:18
What? Jackson Wong Ming is 860 miles
00:57:24
from Seattle. Wow.
00:57:27
OK. So they've probably been
00:57:31
traveling for a couple of weeks at this point.
00:57:36
Yeah. Because that one, that one storm
00:57:41
can't have been the only storm that they've encountered.
00:57:44
Like I said, they don't have a lot of food.
00:57:48
Game Revolution wrote an article where they said they would take
00:57:52
a little over 21 days by horse. Wow.
00:57:56
OK. So yeah, a few weeks.
00:58:00
Three weeks. And not only that one, you've
00:58:04
been on horseback for three weeks and I can tell you just
00:58:08
after riding a horse for 20 minutes, your ass is sore.
00:58:12
You're talking about you've been on, you've been on horseback,
00:58:17
not just by yourself. You are straddling with another
00:58:21
person on horseback across rugged terrain.
00:58:29
Yeah, well, I'm not a cowboy. I'm not a cowboy, but apparently
00:58:32
if you know what you're doing it, it's not that bad.
00:58:35
I. You know what?
00:58:37
They are not Cowboys. Yes, they live in a community
00:58:40
with horses, but I don't think they, I don't think either of
00:58:43
them have been on a horse for more than 3 for more than three
00:58:46
weeks at a time. Not at a time, but they're used
00:58:49
to riding horses. They drive them on their patrols
00:58:51
so they think what they're doing.
00:58:54
And they had good weather. They had good weather.
00:58:58
I don't know where you can go to have almost three weeks of good
00:59:03
weather. Good weather, no clickers, no
00:59:09
other people. They they having a lot of good
00:59:12
luck right now. Right now.
00:59:15
Right now. It's all about to change.
00:59:18
But the other thing is too, they didn't take, they didn't take a
00:59:22
lot of provisions like, yeah, they may have had some, some
00:59:25
snacks and whatever it was that Seth said he put in there,
00:59:29
you're not going to tell me that lasted the whole 3 weeks.
00:59:32
And even if they rationed it, that means they're not getting
00:59:37
full nutritional content. They're not going to be in
00:59:41
physical condition to take on whatever they're about to face.
00:59:44
They're going to be weak and tired and exhausted.
00:59:47
I don't know. You're a beef jerk.
00:59:48
You don't take up a lot more. But it's also, but you know
00:59:53
what? It's also not very nutritious.
00:59:56
And and Ellie knows how to hunt, and I'm sure Dora knows how to
01:00:02
hunt too. What?
01:00:04
What hunting apparatus did you see them take with them With
01:00:07
them? Rifles.
01:00:09
They got rifles, they got guns. She knows I'm Ellie.
01:00:14
Ellie was on the road with Joel for a long freaking time.
01:00:21
And I understand that. She knows how to trap a rabbit,
01:00:26
trap a squirrel, I'm sure fish. She can do all that.
01:00:31
OK. She couldn't have spent all that
01:00:34
time with Joel. Where do they go from Boston all
01:00:39
the way to Jackson? To Salt Lake and Van to Salt
01:00:42
Lake City. Yes, that's a long freaking way.
01:00:46
That's a lot of time and a lot of that was walking.
01:00:49
They drove some of it, but a lot of that was walking.
01:00:51
They have no horse. Yeah.
01:00:55
And they weren't carrying around groceries.
01:01:00
You know, you scavenge, you find places that are abandoned, and
01:01:04
you find some cans of food. Ellie, this is not her first
01:01:09
rodeo. And 860 miles, that's nothing.
01:01:16
Oh, really? To her, no.
01:01:18
To her, that's that thing. Yeah, she's.
01:01:21
Done that before. OK, I'll take your word for it.
01:01:25
I'm still, I'm still having a little bit of this, you know,
01:01:30
disbelief at some of this stuff. But again, they, they don't show
01:01:34
us everything, which you know, I understand, but at least show us
01:01:39
something. Show us show, show us them
01:01:41
living off the land. Show us them coming across a
01:01:44
random person. I don't want to see that.
01:01:49
I want to see that and you know this.
01:01:52
I don't want to see that. I'm just saying a little
01:01:55
injecting, a little bit of real. Show me point A and show me
01:01:59
point BI. Don't need everything in
01:02:02
between. I really don't.
01:02:04
I don't. I, I would have rather look, I
01:02:07
would have rather seen them hunting for animals than having
01:02:11
that little conversation in the tent where it seems like Dina is
01:02:15
just kind of messing with Ellie about, oh, am I gay or am I not
01:02:18
gay? OK, first of all, first of all,
01:02:21
first of all, I'm not watching Last of Us.
01:02:25
It's not on CW. It's on HBO Max.
01:02:28
I don't want this to be ACW. No, that's why I'm saying I
01:02:31
don't. I didn't.
01:02:32
Need to see that kind of I. Didn't need to have that
01:02:34
conversation like it and it's like I understand maybe they're
01:02:40
they might be trying to establish something between
01:02:42
Ellie and Dana. I get it.
01:02:45
I'm at the point now where I'm like Ellie has other things to
01:02:49
think about. She don't need your wishy washy
01:02:51
ass like Oh yeah. Well, I'm back with Jesse.
01:02:54
Oh, but you know what? I wasn't all that drunk or I
01:02:57
wasn't all that high and blah, blah blah.
01:02:59
How do I? I didn't need to hear.
01:03:01
Y'all could have been on the road doing something else
01:03:05
meaningful. I just I guess for this show
01:03:07
right now, I'm just that's not what I want to see.
01:03:12
Like I understand. OK, Yeah, Ellie probably needs
01:03:16
somebody or whatever, but everything that we've seen so
01:03:19
far has shown that her romantic escapades don't pan out just
01:03:26
like that. That one question then was like
01:03:28
the first person you killed. She was like, well, the first
01:03:30
person was really fucked up, so I ain't going to tell you about
01:03:32
that one. Let me tell you.
01:03:33
Because it was the IT was the girl she had the crush on.
01:03:36
She had to kill her when she turns.
01:03:38
So there's just other things like I, I'm.
01:03:43
Not no, I did not watch this. This is that that's.
01:03:47
What I'm saying I I don't want. I don't.
01:03:50
The Jesse, Dora and Elliott drama I don't need.
01:03:55
I just don't need it. Let's move on.
01:03:59
I mean it. I don't see any.
01:04:01
I don't see any I don't need. I don't mind romantic
01:04:05
relationships, I just. We don't need the drama, we
01:04:09
don't need the uncertainty. We don't need, like I said, I I
01:04:12
just feel like, and I get it that Dena's character may not
01:04:17
she may be confused, she may be conflicted, or she may be she
01:04:21
she could be by and just denying that part of her.
01:04:24
OK, you know what? Right now we got more important
01:04:26
things to be thinking about. Y'all can talk about this later.
01:04:29
Talk about this after y'all kill Abby or?
01:04:32
We don't even have to worry about it.
01:04:34
We, we understand, can we just, can we just get along?
01:04:38
I mean, whatever. I, I don't want people to think
01:04:42
that we're just having issues because of the relationship.
01:04:45
It's just. No, it's, it's, I mean, anybody
01:04:48
who listens to us. Come on, Anthony, now come on.
01:04:52
Even if it was Jessie with her and they were having this type
01:04:55
of conversation, I'd be like, come on.
01:04:58
I don't. I'm not watching this for any
01:05:00
romance. You got bigger fish for fry.
01:05:02
Right, right, because you're. Out in the middle of nowhere
01:05:05
making all this freaking noise. Yeah.
01:05:09
Smoke signals everywhere. Come on, guys.
01:05:11
Yeah, yeah. And and Speaking of smoke
01:05:15
signals and luck, how about how when they were walking towards
01:05:19
Seattle, I was like, I'm surprised that the organization,
01:05:22
like WLF don't have scouts and don't have lookouts.
01:05:27
Oh, they do have lookouts. And he looking in the wrong
01:05:30
direction. It's like y'all so y'all telling
01:05:36
us that they seem to be organized but they're actually
01:05:39
inept because he's for y'all. Tell me to look 6 to 9 and I'm
01:05:45
told now you want me to look 3:00 to 5:00.
01:05:48
That's how you missed them. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:51
Because I really thought when when they showed him looking, I
01:05:55
thought he was going to say, hey, I see someone on horseback.
01:06:00
But instead it was like, oh, no, it's clear.
01:06:01
You can come up. And I get it.
01:06:03
That's the introduction for us to the wolves.
01:06:06
And to see that, oh, you know, Ellie made that comment about,
01:06:10
oh, it's about to be a lot less wolves now.
01:06:13
Not quite right. Don't y'all got enough of the
01:06:16
list? I don't know if 100 rounds is
01:06:20
enough. I think that's what Dina told
01:06:22
her to bring 100 rounds. So I, I don't, I don't think
01:06:26
that's going to be enough because it was it just me or did
01:06:32
were they in a truck or a tank? I don't think it was a.
01:06:35
Tank those do like hummers, like military grade.
01:06:41
OK. It's 3 or 4 of them.
01:06:43
Yeah. So yeah, your your little guns
01:06:46
ain't gonna really do too much against that.
01:06:51
Armored vehicles. OK, Yeah.
01:06:54
Yeah, no. Not gonna do too much and then?
01:06:59
Oh, those are. They're like, they're almost
01:07:01
like tanks. Oh, are they OK?
01:07:03
Yeah, well, they're not tank tanks, but yeah.
01:07:08
Some type of military vehicle. Oh, they like amphibious
01:07:11
vehicles. They're built like amphibious
01:07:13
vehicles. Oh, OK, well, but looking at the
01:07:22
preview for the next episode, I think I think Dean is going to
01:07:31
find out that Ellie is immune in the next episode.
01:07:36
Because there is. AI haven't seen the promo for
01:07:40
the next episode. OK, so in so there there is a
01:07:43
promo where they are, I guess they're evading some of the
01:07:48
wolves and it looks like they might be evading or being chased
01:07:52
by some of the some clickers in a abandoned train.
01:07:58
I was like, oh, this has Walking Dead season 10 vibes to it.
01:08:03
But I think they get separated at one point and then Ellie
01:08:07
comes out and Dina is actually like pointing a gun at her
01:08:11
crying. And I was like, oh, she thinks
01:08:13
she thinks Ellie's gotten bit and she's like, OK, I'm gonna
01:08:16
have to put you down because you got bit.
01:08:18
So I think that might be about to happen, but I don't know,
01:08:27
like, I feel like I feel like Ellie is prepared to do what she
01:08:35
needs to do. And I do feel like she is.
01:08:39
She's probably going to find Abby the same way that Abby
01:08:43
found Joel because she has that determination, she has that
01:08:47
motivation. I just don't know if she and
01:08:50
Dina are going to be able to do it by themselves.
01:08:53
I still kind of feel like maybe Tommy will show up, if only to.
01:08:59
Pull them out of the fire. Either to pull them out of the
01:09:02
fire or to help them because kind of like what GAIL said, you
01:09:06
know, he has now inherited Ellie.
01:09:09
You know, she has, she has now become his surrogate daughter
01:09:13
or, you know, niece or however you want to call it.
01:09:16
And I think he would feel responsible or he would feel
01:09:22
guilty or like he's letting Joel down if something happens to
01:09:25
Ellie or if he just let Ellie go out on this trip and he doesn't
01:09:29
do anything to to find her or to help her.
01:09:32
Yeah, but she a grown woman, she can make her own decision.
01:09:34
She's 19. She is not grown.
01:09:37
The US government says that she's grown.
01:09:40
She didn't to the military. Kids over 20, at 19, they are
01:09:45
not grown. You will learn this in a couple
01:09:48
of years. They are not grown.
01:09:50
Oh no, my child will tell you that she's grown.
01:09:54
Tell her to pay some of the bills and see how she how.
01:09:57
She changed. That.
01:10:00
Oh no, she said. She already going to come back
01:10:02
and live with us, she said We. Better not do anything with her
01:10:04
room, she said. She'll graduate college, bed,
01:10:07
school, and she'll be back. That's not grown.
01:10:10
No, I'm just. Joking.
01:10:11
I'm just joking. But no.
01:10:15
But yeah, I, I, I really want Tommy to kind of find his way
01:10:20
into this because I think he needs it for himself too.
01:10:24
Well, I think the show needs it. I think the show's going to.
01:10:26
Need it's it's going to need a heavy Dora and Ellie are not
01:10:33
going to be heavies No, not in that way.
01:10:37
I. Ellie maybe told, but I think
01:10:41
she's going to have to go through some stuff first, yeah.
01:10:45
But I I don't. Know.
01:10:48
I almost kind of worried for Dina.
01:10:50
Because I'm like. Dina is the level headed one.
01:10:52
She's the she's the brain, she's the brains.
01:10:56
You know, Ellie is the Bron. She's the brains.
01:10:59
Yeah. And Ellie is also reckless.
01:11:02
And I realize that. I thought about it.
01:11:05
She was like that before she found out she was immune.
01:11:10
Yeah. She was already a reckless
01:11:13
individual, OK? But here's the thing.
01:11:15
OK, going. Back to the conversation we just
01:11:18
had, Why was she being reckless? It was over a girl.
01:11:23
Ellie does not think straight when it comes to relationships
01:11:26
and her crushes. This is why we don't need this
01:11:28
right right now between them. She needs to focus because that
01:11:33
was the whole thing. Her her friend, her so-called
01:11:36
best friend at the time left, came back, took Ellie with.
01:11:43
Her to the mall they're having. Fun day.
01:11:46
And then she finds out she was like, Oh yeah, well, I wanted to
01:11:48
share this day with you because I'm going to be gone.
01:11:50
I'm I'm, I'm joining the fireflies.
01:11:53
And that's when all hell brace loose.
01:11:55
But it's because you weren't where you were.
01:11:57
Supposed to be. You weren't doing what you were
01:11:59
supposed to do. And I think what's?
01:12:03
She supposed to kill. Ellie.
01:12:04
Because Ellie found out about them being Fireflies or
01:12:08
something like that, something like that.
01:12:11
So yeah, she don't need to be. In a relationship right now.
01:12:16
Just let let Dana have Jesse for for a minute, y'all, y'all focus
01:12:21
on this thing and then after y'all kill Abby and deal with
01:12:25
whatever consequences are going to come after that, 'cause you
01:12:27
know there's going to be consequences when she does that.
01:12:30
Deal with that. And then you can go live your
01:12:32
happy, carefree life with whoever, with Dina, with just
01:12:38
hell, go live it with both. But I need you to take care of
01:12:43
business first. That's where your.
01:12:46
That's where your. Focus needs to be.
01:12:49
That's where your priority needs to be and I need Dina to shut
01:12:51
her mouth. If if you got a little crush on
01:12:53
Ellie, but you don't know how to say it or you don't know how to,
01:12:56
just keep that to yourself for right now, Keep it to yourself
01:12:59
right now, 'cause it's not gonna do.
01:13:01
It's not gonna do Ellie any bit of good.
01:13:04
If she's thinking about this and then she has this other little
01:13:07
side quest that she's thinking about.
01:13:09
She don't need that right now. Let her focus.
01:13:13
Then we can do relationship. Stuff later.
01:13:17
Y'all can take out y'all. Can take season 3 and do that.
01:13:22
No, but you know. You know what I mean?
01:13:29
What this? Episode I feel like.
01:13:34
It. Moved a lot slower than what
01:13:37
we've seen the 1st 2 episodes but I feel like we kind of
01:13:40
needed it too. This was our kind of our catch a
01:13:44
breath after everything that happened.
01:13:46
Cause the last episode was a lot.
01:13:49
Not just the Joel and Abby stuff, the clickers and them
01:13:52
coming into town and everyone haven't.
01:13:54
That was a lot. That was a lot.
01:13:57
So I think we needed this episode to kind of breathe and
01:14:01
to kind of collect ourselves for whatever's about to come next.
01:14:05
I saw an article on social media and they were talking about how
01:14:10
with Joe's death now, The Last of Us Season 2 has written
01:14:14
themselves in the corner, and they're not going to have the
01:14:17
same momentum. I'm like he just died in the
01:14:19
last fucking episode. It's only been only been 2
01:14:23
episodes. Right.
01:14:25
Give it some time like. And I realized these are
01:14:29
probably, these are bigger media, so they probably have
01:14:31
access to screeners. They've probably seen maybe a
01:14:34
couple of episodes or maybe they've seen the whole season.
01:14:37
But I just you got to give it time like.
01:14:41
You. You don't.
01:14:42
Just kill off a major character and then expect us to just jump
01:14:46
into the next thing. We need time to mourn.
01:14:49
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:51
And also I, I. Do like, 'cause you know, last
01:14:54
year or last year, last season, season 1, every episode was a
01:15:00
hitter. Every episode they, they, they
01:15:04
got you to like someone sexual up and that person was dead at
01:15:08
the end every episode or there was just a death because I
01:15:12
didn't like anybody. In that cannibal episode, and I
01:15:15
was glad for what? But it was a hard episode
01:15:18
because of what Ellie had to do. But yeah, but here it's like
01:15:22
they've taken. They've decided to do it, taking
01:15:26
the beast back, like taking it back a little bit.
01:15:29
So we're not going to hit you every episode.
01:15:32
We're just going to give you a little bit in the Electric
01:15:35
County to kind of not push us and also feel like maybe they
01:15:40
might be trying to stretch it out so we can get to a third
01:15:43
season. Well, yeah, because they did get
01:15:46
renewed for Season 3. Right before Season 2 premiered
01:15:50
and and there's only one way they can do that.
01:15:54
Is they got to stretch out? Yeah, because there's only two
01:15:58
games, right? Yeah, it's only two games and I
01:16:02
don't I. I think I.
01:16:03
Remember the the creator at some point some interview for season
01:16:09
1, I do remember him saying that he was not planning to go past
01:16:15
what has already been done in the game.
01:16:17
So it's not going to be one of those things where he he kind of
01:16:20
keeps on and create store. I don't think he's planning on
01:16:24
doing that. So Carlos was telling me again
01:16:26
today during our conversation, he said what they'll probably do
01:16:31
if they're doing a season 3, depending on what happens in the
01:16:35
next couple of episodes. He says he thinks Seattle is
01:16:39
probably where we'll where we will end season 2 and then what
01:16:44
happens next in the game will come in Season 3.
01:16:47
So again, I don't know what comes after Seattle.
01:16:50
I don't know how Seattle ends. So that would be interesting to
01:16:54
see just kind of where the story is going.
01:16:56
But I think we needed the break. We needed to see certain things
01:17:01
in this episode. We needed to see Ellie actually
01:17:05
listen to someone who. Was trying to give her.
01:17:08
Advice. You know, when Jesse tells her
01:17:11
to write down her thoughts, you know, she gets she gets
01:17:14
offended. She was like, yeah, because I'm
01:17:15
stupid. He said no, because you're angry
01:17:17
and the council is not going to make a decision on angry.
01:17:22
And she actually listened to him and she made a very heartfelt
01:17:25
speech that I, I feel like was partially sincere and partially
01:17:31
was bullshit just to get them to say yes because it's not for
01:17:36
revenge in her world. She couldn't, she couldn't see
01:17:39
it. She.
01:17:40
Can in her world she couldn't see them saying no.
01:17:43
Yeah. Especially with Tommy being on.
01:17:46
The thing she's thinking OK is Tommy's brother is Maria's
01:17:50
brother-in-law and Jesse was there.
01:17:53
And I think those are probably the only three who actually say
01:17:56
yes, but. Back to what you were talking
01:18:00
about the game, I think, yeah, I think they said that the game,
01:18:03
they're done with the game as far as that story goes.
01:18:07
The only thing I've heard is rumors of of the DLC of Tommy
01:18:13
and Joel before. You know we first meet Joel.
01:18:19
OK, so I. Just wanted to put it.
01:18:22
Out there that that that was something that that was talked
01:18:25
about. I mean, like I said, they they
01:18:28
can do a little. Flashback of that time because I
01:18:31
need to see the Tommy that Joel was talking about when he told
01:18:35
Ellie. Yeah, me and my brother, we did
01:18:36
some horrible things. I need to see that version of
01:18:39
Tommy because I I'm sorry. I understand.
01:18:45
You're trying to. Live a better life.
01:18:48
You have a wife, you have a child that you're thinking of
01:18:51
you. You know, he had the
01:18:52
conversation with GAIL where he said he didn't want Ellie to
01:18:55
follow in the same footsteps that Joe did because he was like
01:18:58
Joe. I think he was acting out.
01:19:00
He was, he was angry and he was doing this and he was doing that
01:19:04
and that would make sense because Joe lost his daughter
01:19:07
and that's when he started doing crazy shit cuz he was like, oh
01:19:09
OK, you know what? I don't have anything to fight
01:19:12
for anymore. So I'm just going to do what I
01:19:14
need to do. But I don't know.
01:19:19
If I feel like Tommy needs to kind.
01:19:22
Of but Gil said something that. As soon as he said that, GAIL
01:19:29
said something that I said I had turned to Michelle and said it,
01:19:32
and then GAIL said it, that Ellie and Joel were basically
01:19:38
the same like that they are the same personality.
01:19:45
Did you even think of that? Like, yeah, because he was
01:19:49
trying to. He was trying to say.
01:19:50
That he thinks that Joel rubbed off on her.
01:19:52
She said, you really think so? She said, let me tell you
01:19:54
something. She said nurture really only has
01:19:57
about that much to do with it. She was like, that's nature, She
01:20:00
said. I think Ellie and Joel have been
01:20:02
walking side by side since the beginning and I think that's one
01:20:06
of the reasons why they connected so well was because
01:20:08
Joel saw a little bit of him in her.
01:20:12
You know, she was defiant from the beginning, even, you know,
01:20:16
when it was them two and test at the very beginning.
01:20:21
And it was just like, oh, you're just the mission.
01:20:24
We're we're going to do this. We're going to take you and go.
01:20:27
She made jokes about it. She made it seem like she didn't
01:20:30
give a fuck. She, you know, she had that out
01:20:33
of shell. And that's the same way Joel
01:20:35
was, you know, up until Ellie and he even told her that.
01:20:41
And deep down inside, both of them are just.
01:20:43
Big softies. Right, right.
01:20:49
So big softies who are very loyal and who will do anything
01:20:56
for each other. And I think I.
01:20:57
I hate to say. It.
01:20:59
But I think now Ellie is probably understanding better
01:21:05
than anything what Joel, you know, why Joel did what he did
01:21:11
in Salt Lake City now. Because I'm sure if she had had
01:21:15
the opportunity, if she hadn't gotten caught when she shot at
01:21:19
Abby in that thing, she would have killed all of them.
01:21:23
Yeah. All she had to do was see.
01:21:25
Joel in the condition. He was in to see Dana on the
01:21:27
floor. They would have been done.
01:21:29
And that's why I still think they're going to be done.
01:21:31
She's not going to. I don't think she's going to
01:21:33
have any remorse. I don't think she's going to
01:21:35
have any second thoughts. She's going to be like, Oh no,
01:21:37
I'll kill y'all and maybe I'll think about, I'll process what I
01:21:40
did to y'all later, but y'all about to die.
01:21:46
So I'm I'm. I'm.
01:21:48
Ready for it. I just want to see what she's
01:21:50
going to do because I hear that in the I hear that in the game,
01:21:53
she's a beast as well. Like the way that she goes after
01:21:58
Abby, I've heard is frightening. I want to see it.
01:22:04
I, I, I do. Because also.
01:22:06
Too, You have to realize, we've been watching Bella Ramsey since
01:22:10
she was on Game of Thrones and she was way younger than and she
01:22:13
was a powerhouse then. I think she was 9 when she
01:22:17
started doing Game of Thrones and I know that she can elevate
01:22:25
her game when it comes to this acting thing.
01:22:28
I'm ready to see what she's going to do.
01:22:32
I'm just ready. But I, I, I want to see that.
01:22:36
I want to see Tommy kind of go back into that old version of
01:22:41
himself, and I don't want to see Dina die.
01:22:45
I don't know if that should just be expected, because you can't
01:22:51
tell me that somebody else isn't going to die in the show.
01:22:55
You know what I'm saying? I don't know if it's going to be
01:22:58
from clickers. I don't know if it's going to.
01:23:00
Be from the wolves, whatever, but those, those are kind of the
01:23:04
things I want to see for the remainder of the season and I
01:23:08
would like to OK, we've had one whole episode without him.
01:23:11
I need y'all to start back with the Joel flashbacks.
01:23:14
I I need them starting next next episode.
01:23:19
I need a Joel fix. I need a Joel.
01:23:21
Fix so. Yeah, and it's so sad because
01:23:25
I've been watching all these little interviews with Pedro
01:23:29
Pascal just lately, and I'm just like, we didn't.
01:23:34
See him this week? Like his name?
01:23:37
Wasn't in the credits and then you had, like I said, the little
01:23:40
cordycep thing where it was just I was like y'all disrespectful
01:23:44
y'all? It's too slow.
01:23:45
It's at this point this is. This is rather than the end.
01:23:48
Now. So yes, I need to fix.
01:23:55
I need the flashbacks. And I really, I really do want
01:23:58
to see how that conversation with Ellie went when he told her
01:24:03
about which what he did, because I do know that there's, there's
01:24:07
a, there's a clip of her out there just looking at him with
01:24:12
so much anger. She was like, you promised.
01:24:15
And I was like, oh, she's either talking about the fact that he
01:24:19
promised he would get her there or the fact that he promised
01:24:22
that what he told her about how the fireflies die was true.
01:24:26
Either way it goes, it's going to be a painful episode.
01:24:28
But I want to see them do that. I need to see that interaction
01:24:34
between them because that's also.
01:24:37
Going to inform I think. How Ellie moves forward with
01:24:41
her, her search for Abby and whatever it is she plans to do
01:24:46
after, 'cause I know she said she was going to use Joe's gun
01:24:50
to kill Abby. I don't know if she's going to
01:24:53
let it be that quick after. What Abby did.
01:24:59
I wouldn't. I wouldn't, but I don't know.
01:25:06
Maybe she's just like, OK, you know what?
01:25:08
Let. Me just find her and kill her
01:25:09
and just get it over with so I can go home 'cause I'm sure she
01:25:13
don't want to be. She don't want to be where she
01:25:15
is. Now, So yeah, I think that's the
01:25:17
same gun he used to kill. Abby's father.
01:25:24
'Cause I don't think he shot him with a rifle.
01:25:26
Oh yeah. No, no, no.
01:25:27
I I think you're right. I think you're right, yeah.
01:25:31
Because yeah, he. Did kill him with a handgun.
01:25:37
Because he had run out of rounds and the automatic rifles he had.
01:25:43
So OK, that'll be poetic. Come full circle.
01:25:48
Yep. OK.
01:25:54
There was a moment in this episode that I feel like kind of
01:26:00
got me here. And it was when they when she
01:26:02
did finally go see Joel's grave. And I was just like, OK, I
01:26:10
guess. I felt a little.
01:26:11
Bit of kind of sort of closure because like you can't mistake
01:26:17
that. His name is.
01:26:18
On the tombstone. And, you know, you know, we
01:26:21
always make this joke and we're talking about dead people.
01:26:23
We're like, OK, well, you know, they showed us the body, but
01:26:26
technically speaking, they didn't show us the body.
01:26:29
We didn't see him, you know, once they came out of the lodge.
01:26:34
But I know it's him. We saw the girls.
01:26:39
I know, I know a Golf Club shaft.
01:26:42
I know, I know. That's why I know.
01:26:47
I know. So the fact that we saw a grave,
01:26:51
I kind of feel a little bit. But I, I I still I need more.
01:26:57
I just need more. Joel, I just need to put Pedro
01:27:00
Pascal back on my on my screen please.
01:27:02
Thanks. I I thought the coffee beans was
01:27:04
a was a. Good was a good thing and and
01:27:07
the fact that she kind of she was able to smile.
01:27:10
When she did that, you know, I was like, OK, OK, I, I, I felt a
01:27:15
little bit of her healing right there.
01:27:17
But then it's like, almost immediately it's like she
01:27:20
laughed. And then she looked at the grave
01:27:22
again, like, wow, I'm never going to do this with you again.
01:27:25
Like, this is it? And you feel her pain.
01:27:29
But like I said, I need Pedro back on my screens pronto.
01:27:33
Thanks. I don't have anything else to
01:27:38
say. Neither do I, OK.
01:27:42
So we're almost. At the halfway point next, next
01:27:45
week will be the halfway point and we'll see how how fast it's
01:27:48
going to kick off from there 'cause you know, at this point
01:27:51
now they really got to get into the story.
01:27:53
They got to get some action in there.
01:27:56
They got to get some kind of, I don't know, some kind of
01:28:00
confrontation. Even if we got to move, we got
01:28:02
to move forward. They can't drag it out.
01:28:04
Yeah, I I get. It I don't like it, but I get
01:28:09
it. Like I said, put Pedro back on
01:28:12
my screen next week, please. Thanks.
01:28:15
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