#thelastofus What better way to say "Happy Valentine's Day" than by discussing the latest heartbreaking episode of The Last of Us. Joel and Ellie form a reluctant alliance with the most wanted man in Kansas City. Kathleen shows no mercy in her search for Henry and Sam. Ellie finds a kindred spirit in Sam. Kathleen faces her nemesis, but a larger threat makes itself known. The mistakes of the previous leadership has disastrous and deadly consequences.
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Was the Pirates, welcome back to another episode of The Phantom
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hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here
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with Anthony, Michelle and Mike and we are discussing episode 5
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of The Last of Us. Um I'm just going to start this
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episode off by saying Mike, get it.
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You said it last week you would like yeah this show is teaching
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us. Don't get caught up, don't get
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attached to nobody passes. Hmm like Kathleen.
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Yes, you were right. She was a two-episode character.
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I got it, it may sit, but boy, when I tell you this episode
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between, between me, realizing something was not going to go,
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right? And having to deal with that and
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seeing what came out of the tunnel.
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I was like, when I tell you, I was doing all kinds of this and
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standing up on my couch, or, you know, putting my feet up on the
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couch, trying to get away from the teeth y'all.
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This show is going to stress me the fuck out, man?
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I tell you what fucking and they don't they don't have to stop
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with these friggin emotional. Emotional like Trainwreck hit
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shit like I'm on the I was out to take.
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I got I'll be I'll admit I was kind of someone who watched who
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played the game kind of spoiled me about what was going to
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happen the same, but I do you still wasn't ready?
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Are you serious? But it was too late already
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happened. I was like well I kind of
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figured it was. Okay, fine.
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But the way it happened and what happened afterwards was just
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fucking heartbreaking. I'm like y'all got quit playing
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with my emotions. Like this is like I I'm like um
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like I can't deal with this. I mean up like scare me like
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show me big-ass Mushroomhead, headed fucking monsters.
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That moves like Nemesis and fucking fuck.
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Fucking Nemesis. Like, show me those
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motherfuckers. Like don't just pull my heart.
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Things with like this shit. Like Henry's face was
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heartbreaking. After he shot Sam.
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I was like yeah, he was like I can't I can't do it yet.
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I can't do it. That shit hurt.
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I was like today we would all y'all trippin.
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Y'all trippin a good episode. It's like Kathleen got exactly
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what the fuck she deserve. Fuck that.
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I mean I understood but no. Okay, I get it because I have to
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go. I have thoughts, I have
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thoughts. So anyway, let's start from the
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top of the episode. So we were introduced to
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Kathleen's character in the last episode.
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And this episode starts out with the falling of the Kansas City
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Federer. And let me say this too.
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So when we were talking about the introduction of Kathleen's
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character, I kept saying that, you know, I knew Melanie lynskey
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from from stuff, but I never knew her name.
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There was one particular role that kept sticking in my head
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and I was like, I know I like there's a particular thing that
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I remember her from and I couldn't think of it.
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I was re watching the episode today and for some reason, these
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scene in the bedroom, brought it back for me.
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She's the lady who had the baby in the bar and Sweet Home
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Alabama and that's what was thinking in my head.
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And not only that, she was the nice step sister in Ever After,
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you know, ever after is one of my absolute favorite movies, but
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she was Jacqueline and she was the one, you know, who's like,
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I'm just here for the food. I was like, yes, that's her.
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So I don't know if that kind of informed.
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The way I looked at Kathleen after that because I was like,
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Not that I agreed with what Kathleen did.
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But it's like one thing about this episode, there were so many
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Shades of Gray with the characters and his life, you
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could front from our standpoint, you can see the bad and what
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they did but then when you get a little more information that's
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kind of like okay but was it really bad like like with the
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fall of the Kansas City fed, ra The episode literally starts
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out. I believe this is the actual
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night that fed Rafael and this takes place about 10 days before
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Ellie and Joel actually arrived in Kansas City.
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So you see, like all the images of Revolution, you see the
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flares going off. You see like chaos in the
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streets. You hear people, chanting
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freedom freedom, freedom, fuck bedro, fuck fedra.
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You see soldiers Federal soldiers being attacked.
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See them being beaten being tortured.
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Being shot being hung. You see 11 Soldier being drug
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down the street and he's got knives all in his body.
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I was like okay when you look at it from that first standpoint
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they're either two things that's going in your mind.
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One is the revolutionaries are crazy as fuck or that military
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deserved what they got. You know what I'm saying?
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It's a little bit of both. It's like a little bit of both.
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I think it's like yeah I mean they've been rages.
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Probably got exactly what they deserved.
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I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure a lot of them were douchebags.
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They got what they deserve fine. But it's like they think they
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basically turn Henry said. Yeah, that's true.
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But it's like day. And I mean, but then it's like
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they basically. I mean, it was like, Lord of the
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fucking flies. It's like the soon as they as
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soon as they killed all the fairford, the federal agents,
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just like they basically just everybody associated with him.
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They killed him. Is like, there's no even with
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it. When they were talking to the
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group, of group of snitches in the cell, this like they were
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like, okay, you're Fair trial. Yeah, sure.
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Just tell us where Henry is that Allah and it's like, He's like,
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you're getting rich off sex not kill all them.
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Bitches is like she did. She had no intention of letting
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any of them survive and it's like she basically just let him
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on. It's like, I mean, I get it, but
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it does. That doesn't make it any less
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douchey that she did it like that.
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I mean, she muscle just, I wouldn't, I don't know if I
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would call it douchey though. Because if you, if you listen to
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her and you look at you, look at all of the people that are in
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there, and when she comes in and she gives the speech, it was
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like Like, you know, she told Paris, she was like, you know, I
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used to be so scared of these people in here and look at them.
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Now every single person that was in there was a snitch and not
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just oh, you know, I'm going to tell you know that you did such
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and such like to the point where Federer, Took the people that
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they snitched on and kill them, jailed them, torture them.
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Like, put them in situations, where it's like, that's not
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something that you can just take back with a simple apology.
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Oh I'm sorry I told on you those were yeah but but but they gave
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you the other perspective from the snitches perspective of
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human too but there was reasons. Why like if someone if your
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family members Literally die and you need the medication and
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Phaedra has the medication and they said, well, we'll give it
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to you. If you tell us something like
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this, you talking about the gray areas.
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I think that's one of the things that this show does is basically
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showing you that there is no black and white.
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Everything is great. Yeah.
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Any point in time, you can be on one side or the other and
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everyone has valid reasons like who wouldn't save a family
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member by giving Yup, someone that you don't know or someone
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that, you know, have an attachment to, you know, in
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looking at those people and looking at those people in
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there, it's like I see people who look like they probably
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snitched for really good reasons like they didn't look like they
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were mean or vindictive people. They look just like everyone
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else, right? But he's trying to survive so I
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feel like if it wasn't so personal for her she probably
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could even be like okay yeah I Stand.
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But what we found out through the course of the episode is
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that her brother was the original leader of the
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resistance and from what Henry says when he's talking about him
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to Joel, this was a good man. This was a man who was fair.
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This was a man who was a great leader, who was forgiving?
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And in order to save his brother Henry, gave him up and of
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course, he ended up being executed.
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So, I mean, I understand their viewpoint, but at this point to
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I kind of sort of is again, is that great?
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I understand per Viewpoint? She's like, okay, look, um I
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just want Henry and you guys can go which of course I knew I was
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like she's not going to let them go but up until that point, I
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was just kind of like, okay, she's she's like hyper focused
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on him and we talked about this in last episode, like you have
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other bigger concerns that like we said, turn around.
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And to bite her in the ass but she was so hyper focused on this
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person. I was like, okay, maybe it is
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all about, you know, just about him but then as we talked as you
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as she talks, and she talks to Perry and then you see her later
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on in the episode, just the things that she says I was
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looking at her like At first, I kind of sort of understood where
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you were coming from. But then you realize she is
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almost like she has no humanity and is even the way she talks
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about herself. She's been like this, you know
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she talks about her brother. She was like my brother was a
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beautiful person. I'm not.
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I've never been and love that. It was so weird.
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Well I won't even say weird. It was very eerie.
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How calculating she was with everything?
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Like at the beginning, she was a little sarcastic and she was a
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little upset given what she's been through.
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I can understand that. But then when you see the way
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that she interacts with everyone else and you know, the way that
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she talks to Henry, when she does finally find him I was like
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she's a cold calculating bitch. Like she has no remorse.
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She has no like there's no. A second thought and her light
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omec as the episode went on I was like wow I feel like she's
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scary it in the clickers and that is what they actually
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needed to overrun Federal to get free.
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You're right I can tell you that her brother, they wouldn't be at
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this point right here, what was it still be involved?
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He was like your brother was a great leader.
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We loved him, but he didn't change things.
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You did, you did. And you know, it is just one of
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those things where it's kind of like, yeah, I think you have to
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be that kind of cold in order to make some things happen again.
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We're going to go back to The Walking Dead comparisons.
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As much as people don't like him.
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Negan was one of those people, he shut off his emotions and he
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was like, okay we're going to do what we need to do so that I can
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keep everyone safe. Now, he took it a bit to the
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extreme Stream because he got a God complex but at the beginning
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him the governor even Alpha to an extent, they had to become
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cold calculating people in order to do the things that needed to
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be done because if you have a conscience and you're trying to
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do this, it doesn't work, you know.
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Right. But what she's what, she's
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lacking her her cons is that she still stuck on her brother
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issues if Didn't have that we can continue on.
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We wouldn't have the mess that we had at the end of the episode
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girl, because her, she's just tunnel vision, tunnel vision and
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her television. They were able to get free and
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they could have done that without her television, but she
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could have become a great leader and spread to other communities
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if she just left it alone, but she can leave it alone.
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I don't know where she is, if it wasn't for it.
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No, no, she already told you. That's the type of person she
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was her brother was holding her dad.
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Down. He had the cap on that bottom
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and when he was gone, that cap came on because she told you I
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wanted a nice person. Mmm, I've never been there.
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Yeah, also also, if she, if she wouldn't had tunnel vision she
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probably would have solved that little little cave in problem
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and the and the in probably wouldn't have been as bad as it
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was to hear him because her her left her Lieutenant was like, do
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you want to take care of this? Should we take care of the
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issues like? Nah, I'll find Henry find Henry,
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fuck. Oh, fuck.
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That will do it later just before the war.
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But here is just beginning of this episode, when she was still
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like, okay, he's still in the city, everybody needs to spread
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out, find him, kill him, whatever a was like, you really
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want to do this now? She was, like, why is he your
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seven? Is he a set with Russia?
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Says, seventh priority for you. He's not for me, like, is he for
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you? And I think parent was trying to
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look at her like bitch. We got bigger fish to fry, but
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even if you even if out her in front of everybody, A else as
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far as like, yo, we got other things to worry about, but even
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if in even if the end when she was hitting the fan, she still
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trying to have him down. Like, that's what I just let it
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go and their point, just let it go.
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Like could have saved save yourself, but you just couldn't
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let It Go. Let It Go.
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Like, literally, you have dozens of people over here dying for
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you. Well, not dying for you, but
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they're dying and you haven't Out like Perry made it so that
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you can get away safe. And you still got to come back
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and be like, I was like, you know what you at this point?
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Yeah, you really deserve to die because you that's all she had.
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I'll see how it will stay. All she had was Revenge.
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She had nothing else like that that was her motivating factor.
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That was her driving force. I hear.
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I hear Edmond Dantes in my head. Yes, you did.
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That's exactly who I was thinking of.
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That's all I got. This is exactly what I was
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thinking and that's all she had to do the quote but you beat me
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to it. Okay.
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But then but then ended up being kind of in the same situation
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where her brother, her brother was her only by her last
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Connection to the Past and her family and like the last thing
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she had to cling to really know No she didn't well then her
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mother of their mothers still alive.
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No. Okay she had, she had her mother
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but but her brother was obviously really.
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I mean, it's a sibling thing. It's like siblings and parents
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are different like you kill on better with your siblings
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because you grew up together and it's like when you lose a
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sibling that that's a different kind of hurt.
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And it's like, I don't think her mom was really involved in all
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this either. Anyway, so it's like when they
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both lose their siblings, just like they have a, they both have
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kind of a Their mindset is like fuck.
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What am I gonna do now? It's like you they have to clean
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the something but it's like any and Henry had nothing to cling
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to. So I think Henry's was a little
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bit different and we'll get to his because that's something
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that like we got to go in depth with all of that stuff.
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But but I mean, I see what you're saying but it's I guess
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it's just one of those things like you, you have people around
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you. Who you trust, obviously Perry.
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It was one of those people. She should have won one, good
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quality or one quality about a good leader.
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And this is why. When you said she could have
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been a great leader now. Michelle, she wouldn't have been
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a great leader. She would have been a leader,
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she wouldn't have been a great leader because in order to be
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great, you have to be willing to listen to the people around you.
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Wait wait, wait, wait, and I make great for this time?
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I mean, great overall, like no, she grateful what they Were
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doing. You understand on the scene?
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When you got to take over? Yeah.
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And kill some people on the street.
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She great for that. Yeah.
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Okay. No, you can't.
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No. Hesitation because I'm going to
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tell you this happened to me. I do the same thing.
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Now probably at the end. Oh, I'll go hide.
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And then hunt them down later. I'm not feeling like, oh, I've
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been trying to kill you right now.
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And there's a quicker or I wouldn't I wouldn't stand there.
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Holding a gun on me like stop shoot him.
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This I mean shoot it's like it's this is thinning your stop.
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One, we're going to talk, we're going to talk about people and
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these these guns situations, imma get to that because I got
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a, I got an issue with the person who was in the house too.
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But anyway, so let's go back to the beginning.
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So at the beginning, we kind of see the we're introduced to Sam
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Henry and Edelman the the doctor that Kathleen killed in the
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previous episode. So, apparently he was the one
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who helped Henry and Sam get away, which is what we figured
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when she realized that, you know, he knew where they were
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now. It was interesting to see them.
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First of all, I love the fact that they changed the characters
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enough that Sam is deaf because I don't think that was the case
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in in the video game. So was it?
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Yeah. So I love the fact that they
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that they had that inclusion because again I'm always
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fascinated when you have people like that who are Vibing in a
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situation like this like a zombie apocalypse or, you know,
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just any kind of situation where dangerous always on the
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Forefront, you know, we get that within the Walking Dead with
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Connie and Kelly Connie was the first, you know, completely deaf
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person that I've ever seen in a show or in a setting like this
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who has survived, you know, I think at in The Walking Dead
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timeline there now like, roughly 14 15, 16 years into this.
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thing, and you have to think for A world where so much of your
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survival depends on noise or the lack of it is always very
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interesting to to sit here and try to figure out how a deaf
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person would maneuver in this kind of world.
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And so we always get it. What we got it in Walking Dead
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from a grown-up's point of view to see it from a child's point
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of view. That was so interesting because
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I feel like even though, yes, he is a child and he can't hear the
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noise, he's making like when they're in the building walking,
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and his brother kind of says something he knows he's like, am
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I being noisy? And when his brother says yeah,
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noisy, he takes a lot of care trying to maneuver around the
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Ask to make sure that he doesn't hear even though he can't hear
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what's going on. He still takes that that care.
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On the other hand, his brother in a lie, making all the fucking
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noise in the world Mike and they were when they got into the
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neighborhood. Like my Joe said so much goddamn
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talking. Can y'all shut the fuck up until
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you are free and clear from this?
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I mean, what here we here we did have to keep saying, see just
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like I told you, I was right. See I'm right.
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Just like my do there is nothing around your sound is going to
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carry all these empty buildings. These I was sitting here, I was
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like simultaneously scared and frustrated.
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I was like of y'all shut the fuck up when y'all are making
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noise in the In the tunnels. He comes out.
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Yeah, the plan is good. Do you not know play?
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It is good. Good good.
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Good. We didn't help me was Michelle
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had just watched a quiet place in the quiet place to again and
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I'm sitting there thinking and you know my head, I have because
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know the girl is deaf. So I'm thinking, man I'm making
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a lot of noise because in a movie UK make no noise right now
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and sees death to. So I started drawing those Hmm.
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I haven't found the second one. I've seen the first one.
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And again it's like one of those things where when you grow up
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and you know, that this is there's this danger.
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It's kind of like okay shut up like I realize y'all have been
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in y'all have been in the quarantine zone so I don't know
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maybe it's kind of like you know we talked Walking Dead Again
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Alec the alexandrians like they go out on Scouts and everything
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before Rick's group comes. But I don't think they really
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know the True danger of what's outside the walls and I kind of
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sort of feel like Henry is the same way.
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Like you really don't understand like you've seen them and you
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maybe have heard of them but just like he tells Joel like
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they drew most of the infected and clickers out of the city
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that they drove him underground. He said 15 years ago and then
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that particular tunnel they cleared out three years ago.
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And would have never seen these things because he's probably
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lived in the quarantine Zone his entire life and will.
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So a most severe he's life, they weren't they really want around,
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right? Yeah here we is old enough if he
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hasn't seen them, he's old enough to know how serious the
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situation is. And I'm sure somebody in the
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quarantine Zone. Told him, hey, these things are
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attracted to noise. I'm sure they told everybody did
00:23:26
so like, hey, we need y'all to keep your voices down.
00:23:29
We need y'all to do this. We need y'all to do that.
00:23:31
I know it's not just the Boston quarantine Zone that knew this
00:23:35
information, but whateley is possible there.
00:23:37
There, the way they're fissure was running.
00:23:39
They have other things to be concerned about what they were
00:23:42
and with Henry, that's pretty much.
00:23:45
He was more scared of Kathleen, then the clickers anyway.
00:23:48
So So he just knew he couldn't defeat them and that's why he
00:23:51
needed Joel. But other than that, they have
00:23:54
no experience. They just heard stories.
00:23:56
The danger is her not them. And before that it was Federer.
00:24:01
So for him growing up federal was the danger and not the
00:24:04
clickers and the wisdom of college.
00:24:08
The other effect. It was however, however however
00:24:13
they still could have been Kathleen's people down there.
00:24:16
So you still could be quiet like Okay, we're down here now.
00:24:21
Let's see what happens. Not, okay, we're good to go.
00:24:24
I like Jo like these. Wait, until he's, like, damn, we
00:24:27
only been down here for two seconds, right?
00:24:29
Right now, I would say once they got into the little, The Little
00:24:33
Schoolhouse room, they could have closed the doors.
00:24:36
Okay. I didn't mind so much that
00:24:39
little scene because yes even though I felt like the kids were
00:24:43
still being too loud, it was still nice to see them being
00:24:47
able to be kids because I'm pretty sure they haven't had the
00:24:50
opportunity to do that very often.
00:24:52
I mean think about it Ellie grew up in Federer going to Federer
00:24:57
schools and the federal or orphanage they teach those kids
00:25:01
military tactics. So she probably has not had a
00:25:03
chance to like really be a child.
00:25:06
Sam may be the same. Same, and then he's been on the
00:25:09
Run for the last 11 days, so he probably needed something to get
00:25:13
loose, but even with that, I was just kind of like y'all.
00:25:17
Y'all still making too much noise, like it could be a
00:25:20
straggler down there. I mean, we kick him kicking
00:25:24
soccer balls Against the Wall go.
00:25:27
Can we stop please right. Well side the people who were in
00:25:32
there they're not in there anymore.
00:25:34
Why? Right and side on this side?
00:25:38
No I was just talking to a game player and they would have liked
00:25:44
an extended like story or flashback of Happened in that
00:25:49
day, care area. I'm gonna call it a day carrier
00:25:51
because it was a lot of things that happened with that
00:25:54
situation. Hmm, this is like a group of
00:25:56
people took kids down there and they survive for a long time and
00:26:01
then, you know, clickers came, infected cane and then they did
00:26:07
some things too. Make sure that you know, kids
00:26:11
don't become infected, I'm just saying.
00:26:14
Yeah, and it looks like your mind wander with that, you know?
00:26:17
Yeah, I mean, but it looks like that didn't work too well,
00:26:20
because we saw one of the deadliest clickers at the end of
00:26:22
the night. So they got to change that story
00:26:25
up a little bit so we can get a kid clicker.
00:26:27
But yeah, kids die all the time. Yeah.
00:26:30
So it was a, it was a major story line with that Dake, not
00:26:34
daycare. But that just that area about
00:26:36
the people who went underground. But I mean, are those, I'm
00:26:42
scared. The kid.
00:26:43
Clickers is that they? They move different.
00:26:57
Let me tell you. It was so interesting because,
00:27:04
you know, Joel is picking off the clickers, trying to protect
00:27:07
Ellie and Hesitates, I think, when he first sees this clicker,
00:27:11
trying to get into the truck where she is because he realizes
00:27:14
it's a kid and that he's going to have to shoot this thing.
00:27:18
But when he starts, and she gets in the thing, and she starts
00:27:22
twisting and turning. I said, they got a fucking
00:27:24
contortionist to him out. I'm done.
00:27:26
No. Absolutely not.
00:27:28
And, and that was, and I think they said that little girls that
00:27:32
eight-year-old or nine-year-old gymnast and contortionist that
00:27:36
they got to play the role I was like, mmm, I've already spent
00:27:39
This one I said it was World War Z.
00:27:41
When when when zombies are moving a certain way, I'm not
00:27:44
trying know. If I would have saw her coming.
00:27:49
After me I would have been like, you know, I'm just I'm done.
00:27:51
I'm just, I'm done. Yeah, I'm done, huh?
00:27:58
I can't do. But um, Okay, we're going to go
00:28:05
ahead and go to that part because it's like I know there's
00:28:09
some other stuff that happened in, you know, throughout the
00:28:11
episode, we know. Okay.
00:28:14
So let's start, let's start with this.
00:28:16
What, what cheat code did Joe put in to get infinite infinite
00:28:20
ammo? I talked about yesterday, okay.
00:28:35
So when Joel and Henry and the kids they come up from the
00:28:38
tunnels and they're walking in the neighborhood and, you know,
00:28:43
of course somebody starts shooting at them.
00:28:46
Now this do it obviously sees them because he's shooting right
00:28:50
at them. Every time they stick their head
00:28:52
up from a car, he's shooting at them.
00:28:54
Joel gets the idea. Okay.
00:28:56
You know what? It seems like it's just one
00:28:58
person. I'm going to go around to the
00:29:00
back of house and I'm gonna try to take him from behind, This
00:29:03
dude is shooting at Joe as he's running around his house.
00:29:07
So my question is, you know, somebody is coming around the
00:29:11
back side of your house, I'll fucking you still shoot in the
00:29:14
head at the kids or somebody coming after you.
00:29:18
And you know this because every time he goes, you're shooting in
00:29:22
his area. You know, this man is moving
00:29:24
towards the side of your house. Why are you still taken by
00:29:28
surprise when he finally shows up in the room and you're not
00:29:31
getting shot? Two things.
00:29:35
I'm going to say as a gamer. This is game accurate because
00:29:39
NPCs are shipped. That's number one.
00:29:43
Yeah. Okay.
00:29:45
Number two, number two, he also was his objective was to pin him
00:29:51
down long enough. Like he didn't know how long it
00:29:55
would take for Kathleen to come. So he, he knew he had to buy
00:29:59
some time, so he keep the kids pinned down.
00:30:02
New Joel was coming so there wasn't anything you could do
00:30:06
about that but he could keep the kids from moving, which was the
00:30:09
point. Hey, maybe maybe, but maybe
00:30:12
three, abandoning number three, the NPCs are shit.
00:30:17
Something that's awesome baby, I do and then he comes in the
00:30:26
room, he has the gun on you. Like, you really think that
00:30:32
you're going to move quick enough to turn around with the
00:30:34
whole fucking rifle before he gets a shot off?
00:30:38
Like really, really thing. You do even Jones like, oh, he's
00:30:43
a crap-shooter. Like he's a shit snot, he sucks.
00:30:47
So Joan is like yeah, I'm gonna go.
00:30:49
So first of all I can't believe you seen this guy who really is
00:30:51
not a good sniper. He's up there with a rifle
00:30:54
shooting. Yeah.
00:30:56
He wasn't supposed to hit anybody.
00:30:57
Yeah, that was her point. Maybe she didn't think that
00:31:01
Henry would be able to get that far.
00:31:03
Well she thought she was going to put her best sniper up there
00:31:11
because she wants them alive. She would kill that old man.
00:31:15
If that old man killed Henry and Sam, she wanted that pleasure.
00:31:20
She just needed. He just needed the pin him down.
00:31:23
Yes, you see if you're worried about Joker's, right?
00:31:26
He knew he was going to be a dead man, with who we or
00:31:28
another. Yes.
00:31:30
But my I have a favorite line NPC's of shit.
00:31:33
Right. And do you trust me?
00:31:35
Yes, I just stopped. Alright.
00:31:39
Alright Aladdin, this is not old world look the and he did the
00:31:43
damn. He did a damn if it is the look.
00:31:47
In games, you don't have infinite fucking ammo, he shot
00:31:50
at like you saw at least 20 times.
00:31:52
I did not see a bucket of bullet sitting next to him.
00:31:55
I did not see a stack of clip sitting next to him.
00:31:58
All I saw was him with a bolt-action rifle shooting and
00:32:03
reload now but then there was one moment where he tried to
00:32:06
shoot and and I think either the gungeon ran out of the ran out
00:32:10
of ammo. So you know, they started,
00:32:14
showing us the action. What was going on down on the
00:32:16
ground with all the info Fected, and I think Ellie was trying to
00:32:19
save Sam and Henry at this point.
00:32:21
So I think at that point he probably did reload.
00:32:24
I mean, it kind of would have been.
00:32:26
I feel like it would have been redundant for them to show us
00:32:30
him reloading when there was so much other shit going on that.
00:32:33
We really needed to be paying attention to.
00:32:36
No, he was consistently like, 20 shots.
00:32:43
Sure. Okay.
00:32:44
But Mike, he was pressing X. Exactly.
00:32:48
Is pressing down and up down left, right?
00:32:51
And it's select infinite ammo. Thank you.
00:32:58
But my thing is like he told the guy he's like don't make me do
00:33:02
it like don't make me do with the guy.
00:33:04
I'm telling you it his mind, he's like Kathleen so he knows
00:33:08
Kathleen. She's gonna kill you told me the
00:33:11
whitening you know even you wake me a Kathleen of the queue but
00:33:15
I'm a dead man. Either way if he if he shoots
00:33:18
the kid's gonna die, if he lets them get past that, he's gonna
00:33:21
die. If he lets you take his weapon,
00:33:23
he's gonna die one way or another.
00:33:26
He's like, fuck it. I'm old but I'm just right.
00:33:41
But then also like seriously Henry and Sam Henry and Sam.
00:33:48
How many people do you need to bring with you?
00:33:52
It seemed right everybody, everybody all the trucks, all
00:33:56
the people. Whoo, that's end everyone.
00:34:02
He was that. I don't think I had think of it
00:34:04
sounds to me like, me holding that empty gun on you, you know,
00:34:15
at the end of last episode, that's how we are introduced to
00:34:18
him in Sam. They they come upon Joel and
00:34:21
Ellie why there? Sleeping and they hold him at
00:34:23
gunpoint. The guns were empty.
00:34:25
Henry tells Joe he was like me holding that empty gun on you.
00:34:29
That's the that's the closest I've ever been to being a
00:34:32
violent man. I'm sure Kathleen knew this but
00:34:36
you had to make a point, even when when Henry was like, I will
00:34:41
give myself up, just let the kids go.
00:34:43
She's like, no, that's not how this is gonna go.
00:34:46
Bitch, you got what you were looking for right here.
00:34:49
What are you going to do with a child that has nothing to do
00:34:52
with you? And a child who is deaf, who
00:34:55
can't do nothing like a snob. Did you hear what she said?
00:35:03
He was supposed to die. So he has to die.
00:35:06
Yes, to die. He has no leverage.
00:35:09
He has, you know most of that market do you say as he lives in
00:35:14
that tunnel vision? That's what got her ass got in
00:35:18
the, in the first place. That's huge.
00:35:20
But he has no leverage whatsoever is like, you can't
00:35:23
bargain with her. He's like, I'll give you, I'll
00:35:26
give you myself. If you let the kids go.
00:35:28
She's like, no, no. No, no, we're not doing this.
00:35:31
Like you said television she's like fuck that shit.
00:35:33
Just bring your ass out here my thing on the other.
00:35:39
So it's like, If you are looking for this dude and you cut you
00:35:51
coming through the street and you're talking all this shit.
00:35:53
You got all your other people with their guns waiting.
00:35:56
Why the fuck is your gun? Not in your hand?
00:35:59
Like, literally, when he comes out, you take a minute to look
00:36:03
at him, you say your little, your little to Second monologue.
00:36:07
And then you reach for your, your gun should have already
00:36:11
been at the red. If you were that serious about
00:36:13
killing this, dude, because you could have shot him and Yes, you
00:36:18
heard the truck making its descent into the ground.
00:36:22
You could have been like yo y'all wrap it up.
00:36:24
Let's go, let's go. Let's go.
00:36:26
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Lori on this one.
00:36:30
Is the classic Trope with a villain has to do this.
00:36:34
I've got a monologue monologue basket.
00:36:40
Yep, look correct me if I'm wrong.
00:36:43
Be incredible. What year did The Incredibles
00:36:46
come out? No, you know what?
00:36:49
It didn't come out until after 2003.
00:36:51
I think so. They wouldn't have known about
00:36:53
syndrome and his no monologues man so okay.
00:36:56
Okay, never did because, because she really could have just
00:37:02
pulled a gun out and shot him. Like, we all know why we're
00:37:04
here, like everybody knows why we're here.
00:37:07
We know why you're here, just do hair the cloud again.
00:37:13
Hang them up in Times Square, whatever you want to do.
00:37:18
She fell into that again. She fell into that classic
00:37:21
villain Trope, where it's kind of like, I need the satisfaction
00:37:24
of being able to look into Your eyes and you know it that I got
00:37:29
you that I I felt like that's what it was.
00:37:31
Was kind of like an ego thing, not or maybe not, maybe not an
00:37:35
ego thing, but it's basically alike.
00:37:38
You invaded me, and I finally caught you and I'm going to get
00:37:41
my revenge. Like she had to let him know.
00:37:45
Notice what he came up from behind the car with his hands up
00:37:48
high. He was about to die.
00:37:50
Yeah. The sit there and and milk the
00:37:53
moment for what it's worth. You are not in the in the type
00:37:56
of situation. Where that is necessary.
00:37:59
Yes you did. Yes you did.
00:38:00
Of course he had to because this is this is the moment that she's
00:38:03
been waiting for. She's probably practiced his
00:38:05
speech. Everything practice is speech
00:38:07
ever since. Has she ever since he got away
00:38:09
from her ever since was times? Like like she she he knew she
00:38:12
knew that she wanted to see want to say this shit, get this shit
00:38:15
off her chest before she put a bullet in him.
00:38:17
But it's like, you know, I mean it's just like in The Last
00:38:20
Action Hero, we're like everywhere Abraham's
00:38:23
monologuing, then the kid gets him.
00:38:24
And he monologues, he gets caught and it's like you can't
00:38:28
monitor. I mean you just can't monologue
00:38:30
because nothing good can happen, nothing?
00:38:33
Good comes of it. I think I think you know,
00:38:36
country He just walked up the we know why you're here from the
00:38:47
time. Got out of the truck and you
00:38:49
started looking you're saying you're already talking shit to
00:38:53
the do like you already let him know.
00:38:56
We got you cornered. There's no where else you can
00:38:58
go, you knew where he was just like granny and shoot them and
00:39:02
they would never running in the middle of the street.
00:39:03
While the truck was bulldozing cars, there were running
00:39:06
straight down the middle of the street and then went to the left
00:39:10
and they're like, you're like, you know, where they're right
00:39:12
there. Right there.
00:39:13
Like just just shoot, they all really all she had to do if she
00:39:18
but she wanted to do it herself but she could just said shoot
00:39:20
him. Just just start just just make
00:39:22
that shit swiss cheese and let's go.
00:39:24
Yeah, I do have a gripe though. You know, Joel of they're
00:39:28
popping headshots. But he can't he can't pop
00:39:32
Kathleen's head like right there.
00:39:36
Like he was protecting the three from the infected in the
00:39:46
clickers because you see that got well of course, they got a
00:39:49
especially close. We find out at the end of the
00:39:51
episode but like they were really close.
00:39:53
I think his whole thing. First of all, his focus is
00:39:57
protecting Ellie. Yes.
00:39:59
I feel like at this He is starting to care for her as more
00:40:02
than just cargo. But at the same time, she is
00:40:05
still cargo. She is still the objective for
00:40:08
him to get to Wyoming and to pass her off.
00:40:11
So they can do whatever it is. So that this shit that I'm
00:40:14
looking at right here, does not continue to happen.
00:40:17
So I think that was his first Focus.
00:40:19
I think he got to a point where he was about to shoot Kathleen
00:40:23
when she started talking about Sam and she was like he's
00:40:26
supposed to die. She was like what you think,
00:40:28
just because he's your brother. I like it just because he's a
00:40:31
kid that the whole world is going to revolve around him for
00:40:35
a person who lost his child to hear someone discounting you
00:40:41
know another child like that. I think that was when Joe was
00:40:45
like oh this bitch got to die and I think right getting ready
00:40:48
to shoot her and then when she pulled that gun up and you heard
00:40:51
the truck all of them went like what does that and then you can
00:40:56
see though they knew what it was and what?
00:40:58
Yeah. Well and before the end all
00:41:00
Also, I think he was with Henry being shot because he still, you
00:41:05
know, he doesn't agree with collaborators, so he was like,
00:41:08
okay, he's just going to do his opinions and that's his penis
00:41:11
but as long as the kids are, okay, I think what, when they
00:41:14
were in the room, I think he understood why Henry did it
00:41:19
because he did, but he wasn't really trying to save him.
00:41:24
Like you say it when it came to, when she said, she wasn't gonna
00:41:26
let the kids go. He was like I'm about to pop up
00:41:30
and press my ex up down, whatever, reload, and get her
00:41:34
because he could have been shot her.
00:41:35
When you hear me, I'ma let him die.
00:41:39
Because he's a collaborator. I think, I think, no, I'm
00:41:43
thinking he wasn't going to stop.
00:41:45
I know, but what I'm saying is, I think caregiver to caregiver.
00:41:50
Whatever judgment or whatever feelings he had towards Henry.
00:41:55
Once he heard Henry story, I think he was kind of like, okay,
00:41:58
you know what? Because if I had had Sarah, I
00:42:01
would have done the same thing so I don't think that was the
00:42:03
issue. I think he would have, let Henry
00:42:06
died because he was like, okay, Henry is giving himself up to
00:42:10
save these kids. So, that is right, that is an
00:42:13
acceptable sacrifice, but I don't think it was any, I don't
00:42:16
think there was anything personal attached to it.
00:42:19
Oh no I wasn't saying more so Joel like thinking logically
00:42:23
like oh okay so this works, he gives himself up the kids can go
00:42:27
free, okay? But when Kathleen started
00:42:29
saying, all this shit about kids and old, what makes you think he
00:42:32
wasn't supposed to die and blah blah blah.
00:42:34
I think Joe was like, no, this bitch cocoa.
00:42:37
No, I'm agreeing with you with that.
00:42:38
I'm not saying that he was thinking, okay, he was Clarity.
00:42:41
I'm thinking he knew he was a collaborator.
00:42:43
He's giving himself up, that's what you do, but I got to save
00:42:47
the kids. So, similar to yours is just
00:42:49
that It's going to be okay because he's giving himself up.
00:42:52
He did something. They shouldn't have done, but I
00:42:56
understand why he did it, but Sam is not involved, Sam had no
00:43:00
part in This. Ellie had no part in this.
00:43:02
I don't have a part in this, right?
00:43:04
Yeah. Like II having to kill your God
00:43:06
because they came after me. That's right.
00:43:10
Which was, which was fair. I mean, look, all I'm trying to
00:43:13
do is get to my brother and I just happened to drive through.
00:43:18
Y'all did all of this, I don't have no money.
00:43:22
I don't even want to be here. I have a side note in the side
00:43:27
thought with the side notes. I thought um wait little I know
00:43:33
of Joel so far it seems like I don't think anybody really want
00:43:38
to. Miss him too much because like
00:43:42
to see like if someone kidnaps earlier her zelly, I'm fully
00:43:47
believe, he's gonna go full Terminator mode and eliminate
00:43:50
everyone. All right, so go Liam, Neeson
00:43:52
taking mode. That's what I was thinking.
00:43:55
Yeah. He has to, like, you tell her
00:44:08
that he's dead. Yeah.
00:44:12
That's yeah that's really that's what he holds left.
00:44:14
Trigger. Right trigger and hit start this
00:44:16
like God mode because he's like he has this ability to to to
00:44:22
size up, a certain situation and come up with all the possible
00:44:27
outs and from very focused, very focused.
00:44:33
And and he seems kind of unshakable in that Focus except
00:44:38
for like I said in this situation, once you see that
00:44:41
Ellie is in the danger that she's in, I think that started
00:44:45
rattling him a little bit because again, he's starting to
00:44:49
care about her. I mean, even the be emphatic,
00:44:53
way. That both of them, when Henry
00:44:55
made a mistake and was like, yeah, your dad and they were
00:44:58
both like she's not, she's not my daughter, I'm not her dad,
00:45:00
he's not my dad, I think In a sense that was kind of like to
00:45:07
remind themselves. Like, oh, this is not who we are
00:45:11
to each other. Because, like I said, I feel
00:45:12
like they've gotten a little more comfortable with each other
00:45:16
and you can kind of see them having that Dynamic.
00:45:21
Now, where's when they first met?
00:45:24
It was kind of like a fuck you, fuck you type.
00:45:26
They I mean literally that's that's at least favorite word
00:45:29
and she I believe she did say that to him a couple of times.
00:45:33
Like now that that whole, that whole attitude is different.
00:45:38
And I don't know, maybe when he was in that window he started
00:45:41
realizing, okay? You know what she is more than
00:45:43
just cargo, I need to protect her.
00:45:45
Like I feel like in a sense he was, he was reliving Sarah's
00:45:51
death. Even though the circumstances
00:45:53
were really different, they were still the same.
00:45:55
There's a child that is in danger and I need to be able to
00:45:59
save her. you know, and I mean, the way the Beast The way these
00:46:06
clickers came out. First of all, when that, when
00:46:08
that truck fell into the ground, I was like, oh, there's a tunnel
00:46:12
there and then you start hearing the noises.
00:46:16
I was like y'all sitting here looking like, y'all can't
00:46:19
believe what that is. I would have taken off because
00:46:22
again those clickers respond to noise.
00:46:27
Why would you start shooting your guns?
00:46:29
Just take, take the fuck off, take the fuck off, there's
00:46:32
enough of you out there. If you running in different
00:46:35
directions, you Would have at least maybe confused a couple of
00:46:38
them trying to figure out which way to go take the fuck off, sit
00:46:43
or at least get the trucks. At least in the trucks.
00:46:47
I don't know if I would. It would have, would have helped
00:46:50
or harmed, but it's like they would, they would help me go do
00:46:53
it. He'll be shift into reverse and
00:46:55
get back to where the fuck I came from.
00:46:57
That's exactly what it was. I just had flashbacks to World
00:47:00
War Z. I forgot that these
00:47:02
motherfuckers was fast if that's kind of like a geyser.
00:47:10
Damn boost. The first infected That came up.
00:47:15
He kept getting trampled like it took him four tries to even get
00:47:19
a running start, because every time he would start running,
00:47:22
somebody will run over. You fall to the ground, he get
00:47:24
back up. Somebody else will run over he
00:47:26
fall down, he get back up. I was like, I was just looking
00:47:30
at that when they were coming out, I was like, oh my God, but
00:47:33
they keep coming and that was not CGI.
00:47:36
Those were all people. I was looking just like, it's
00:47:39
like, yeah, talking about the bloater costume.
00:47:43
We'll talk about that blow. Odor.
00:47:45
But there were 10 to 15, clickers in that group and 4260,
00:47:52
infected. They said it took 65 prosthetic
00:47:55
artist, five hours to apply all that makeup.
00:48:03
Practical is that CGI, right? That's cool.
00:48:06
They started around 3 p.m. because it was nice because it
00:48:09
was a night, shoot, ya get it done.
00:48:13
And that bloater costume, that bloated costume.
00:48:17
They said wait about 88 pounds. Mm-hmm.
00:48:27
And I'm just like When I came out the ground, I look at him
00:48:39
and then just the noise he made that I was like time to go that
00:48:44
goal, you know, even he better sound with his hand came up and
00:48:47
hit the ground. It made a sound.
00:48:49
I was like, uh, this would be the promos a lot by calling him
00:48:58
like a Davy Jones. Cast off from Pirates of the
00:49:01
Caribbean. Oh no, Davy Jones's.
00:49:02
Crew has nothing on this. This this thing I was like,
00:49:07
nemesis from Resident Evil. I was like, it's like McGee
00:49:11
yummy. He was a pussy.
00:49:12
Pussy was Unstoppable. I was like, well, I don't know
00:49:15
why what's his name? Thought he was going to do
00:49:16
something with his gun. I was like he was Perry Perry's
00:49:21
dumbass. She's like run.
00:49:22
Don't look back. I'm like you need to run and not
00:49:25
look back. He over there trying to shoot.
00:49:27
It would be at this point. He probably figured.
00:49:29
Okay, we're about to die. So let me at least try to
00:49:31
protect her. Just say I knew he was going to
00:49:34
die. But I mean, literally ripped his
00:49:36
head off and she's the leader. I was so she's supposed to run.
00:49:40
Run and save herself. But she just can't.
00:49:46
I've been like, follow me, we're getting out of here then just
00:49:48
gone because as soon as I students, almost like, um, like
00:49:54
I would've been, I've been dead because I've been frozen in
00:49:56
fear. I've been like, I can't believe
00:49:58
it was looking like better, you than me?
00:50:01
She was like, come with me. He was like, go, she was like,
00:50:04
oh, okay, don't you got to repeat yourself, it should go
00:50:07
but go on without me. You go but then of course she
00:50:12
comes back because Henry I'm just like when she when she when
00:50:16
she showed back, when she showed up and she was like stop.
00:50:21
She didn't even get. I mean like you said, Anthony
00:50:24
when you told me to stop you could have just shot or didn't
00:50:26
even have to tell him the shot. You are a shit person.
00:50:30
Anyway shut his ass in the back, your shit person.
00:50:33
Anyway, when the made any difference, anybody who it would
00:50:35
have mattered to they're fighting for their lives.
00:50:38
Chances are nobody's going to see it if you You really, really
00:50:41
wanted to kill him. That's all you had to do.
00:50:44
It would have been done. Yes, you would still end up
00:50:46
dead, but at least you would have gotten the satisfaction of
00:50:48
doing what you set out here to do in the first place.
00:50:52
Like at least accomplish your goals, considering you brought
00:50:55
all of your people, all of your soldiers out here with you, for
00:50:59
them to die, at least accomplish your goal, but she couldn't even
00:51:04
do that. She's too busy.
00:51:06
She wants to look him in the face and I really feel that
00:51:09
like, that's what it was. Oh, I want I want to look in
00:51:12
your eyes when I kill you and that's why you did.
00:51:16
No, that's why I say and do is secure, even let it go or kill
00:51:22
him. Site.
00:51:22
She can do either one and she paid the ultimate price ultimate
00:51:26
price Ultimate Prize. But, you know, the other thing
00:51:30
and blue I was kind of So I don't know, maybe this is not
00:51:35
the case, but I was kind of wondering even the way that she
00:51:39
was. I feel like the way that she was
00:51:41
so focused on him. And even when he came up from
00:51:45
behind the car, the way they were kind of looking at each
00:51:49
other and like, taking it in. I wonder if there was something
00:51:54
more between them, and that's why the Betrayal was even more
00:51:58
like, were they romantically involved where they best friends
00:52:02
were they really? Close and then he did this and
00:52:05
that's why she was so focused on him because when they looked at
00:52:09
each other, when he came from behind the car, it was a okay.
00:52:13
I'm here. I had you.
00:52:15
You have me and it was a oh there you are a, have you?
00:52:19
But there was something about the way they looked at each
00:52:21
other. I was like, there's something
00:52:22
more that I feel like there might have been a close
00:52:26
friendship or relationship and that's why the Betrayal was even
00:52:30
like so, you know, Like, I don't know, she let single
00:52:36
hyper-focused on him. I think he was really close to
00:52:39
her brother because the way he was talking about it almost like
00:52:42
he was a mint tea to her brother.
00:52:47
Okay. And I mean so he was around them
00:52:50
a lot. Yeah.
00:52:52
Because that's what kind of got that feeling.
00:52:54
Yeah it was around them a lot and making it seem like they
00:53:01
were her and her brother. Then Yeah, that would make
00:53:04
sense. But I was like, this is not just
00:53:06
a random. Oh, you rat in my brother out.
00:53:08
This is like deeply deeply personal.
00:53:12
I felt that like for you to have that kind of focus.
00:53:15
Like, okay, yes, I know that their clickers, that may be
00:53:18
coming through this thing. We're just going to ignore that
00:53:20
for right now because I really want to find this.
00:53:22
Do all right, you know what? Y'all could be scouring other
00:53:25
buildings but no I want everybody to come with me to
00:53:29
like you don't need 30 men. To take in a two men and two
00:53:36
children, right? So he was really close to
00:53:41
Michael to the point probably that he defended Henry and was
00:53:46
like, oh my gosh, she's like a son or another brother to us.
00:53:49
I'm going to take him under my wing because that's the ultimate
00:53:52
betrayal. When someone is close to your
00:53:54
family, kept coming over, Mama's cooking him dinner, you know,
00:53:58
Chef Boyardee from 20 years ago with some seasoning salt on top.
00:54:03
And now. Yeah, well, well, what's all
00:54:07
this out? I think she was erring on the
00:54:09
side of caution because she didn't know who Joe was see.
00:54:13
Thought maybe Henry had contacted people outside and
00:54:18
that Joel was a part of a larger Force.
00:54:21
I think that was something that was, I think that was something
00:54:24
that back to her Maya because like they didn't know who Joel
00:54:27
was or what was going on with him, right.
00:54:31
But when she saw them, It was just the three of them.
00:54:34
It was just Henry, salmon are right, but she didn't shoot.
00:54:37
But on the way there you see doesn't know like, you don't
00:54:42
know, maybe they had a rendezvous with more people like
00:54:46
C C's erring on the side of caution, like see this not going
00:54:49
to go there and turn about is waiting for them on the other
00:54:51
side of the bridge, right? Yeah.
00:54:53
See that she doesn't know that she'll come with the army.
00:54:56
So you can coming arm because he doesn't know ways walking into
00:55:00
your ass walking into and she paid the price for coming with
00:55:02
the are Did you make so much? Damn noise that your army is now
00:55:06
gone. This is a forgotten and they all
00:55:09
heading to the city food writer, he's probably wrong.
00:55:13
So many so many with her was because she didn't know whether
00:55:19
or not Joel was part of a larger force that he could have been
00:55:22
scattered. Because in her mind this was she
00:55:25
was right. So what's the saying, you don't
00:55:26
bring a knife to a gum party. Don't fight.
00:55:29
Don't fight your height. Yeah, like a tough.
00:55:33
We're party. Where you like selling, you
00:55:35
don't bring a knife to a temporary party beautifully
00:55:38
done. So the other thing that
00:55:44
irritated me, because I just saw it in the background when she
00:55:48
does stop him, or when she does stop them and she's like stop
00:55:51
and she stands there. She's looking at them, when
00:55:54
Ellie looks over because the the clicker child, contortionist
00:55:59
whatever is about to come to Kathleen.
00:56:04
Kathleen. When you turned around your ass
00:56:06
should be shooting. Like you already knew if she was
00:56:09
looking over to the side with that, look like Ellen was look
00:56:12
like, oh, you fucked up. If somebody is looking to that
00:56:16
side with that look and you already know that their clickers
00:56:19
and infected behind you, I'm going to turn around and I'm
00:56:22
immediately shooting at whatever it is, I'm turning around to see
00:56:27
we again, we're talking about tunnel vision that she has like
00:56:30
she she doesn't want to take her gun off of Henry because just
00:56:33
Want him getting away but already turning towards the
00:56:37
clicker. So the gun was already turning
00:56:40
with her. Yeah but she still has
00:56:42
television though just like she's still only thinking about
00:56:46
getting Henry. She's like I'm not letting you
00:56:47
get away. Then she's like, what are you
00:56:48
looking? Oh shit, she's not, like really
00:56:50
like what's that? I don't think she was that
00:56:53
stupid when she when she saw at least face and she turned
00:56:56
around, she knew what she was about to get into.
00:57:00
I mean, how should I know With all of the stuff that was going
00:57:05
on behind you. You know what you was turning
00:57:07
around to see it was either going to be a clicker and
00:57:10
infected or it was going to be Joe with a gun at you.
00:57:13
Either way it goes, you died in that.
00:57:15
Looked at Ellie just gave to your left.
00:57:17
You're dying, either way it goes.
00:57:18
Whatever is behind you you're about to die.
00:57:20
So you should have turned around shooting but then again we see
00:57:23
this shooting is not her strong point which is why she's dead
00:57:28
but still is is like Sensual anything in either episode so
00:57:34
it's like I don't think she knows how to shoot, she's knows
00:57:37
that all good. Some of these infected and die
00:57:43
and she sought some Infected. Before we go on to have this
00:57:47
question, I thought the infected one or two.
00:57:49
In fact, they came out, they come on, infecting it came out
00:57:54
killing. I just thought about that, to re
00:57:56
watching him, like, you seem like they weren't they were
00:57:59
pissed off, they were Were like, wow, I'm trying, they probably
00:58:05
pissed off because they've been underground for 15 years.
00:58:11
And so maybe somewhere in that Evolution, they went from
00:58:16
wanting to infect 20. We've been to kill the folks who
00:58:19
kept us up on who starved us for 15 years.
00:58:23
That's probably what it was. It's like, you know, you did
00:58:28
have infected as well as the clickers being affected
00:58:32
depending on the stage. They're still part human.
00:58:36
So maybe that anger made. Yeah, it's like, oh, you've kept
00:58:40
us down here for so long or you've kept, you know, you've
00:58:43
kept them isolated. So I don't know, maybe that's
00:58:48
all the human and adrenaline, that's like oh we gotta get out
00:58:51
of here. We got to do whatever.
00:58:53
I don't know if they weren't, they were pissed.
00:58:55
And I have a feeling Probably were still infecting people, but
00:58:58
it was just a frenzy and of course, they hear the noise.
00:59:03
And what did the clickers do? The clickers.
00:59:05
Attacked when they were in the museum and they heard noise
00:59:08
right? Was like I feel like for that
00:59:10
day, attack first and then infect after that II mean I
00:59:15
don't know. I don't know the door like a
00:59:17
little girl was it wasn't trying to, you know, keep Kathleen line
00:59:21
to infect. Their, she beat the hell out of
00:59:22
her face. Yes.
00:59:24
And that's exactly what happened to that guy.
00:59:26
That was on the ground floor at the Museum.
00:59:28
When Ellie was like, I've seen a clicker and I'm they didn't do
00:59:33
that. Well, apparently, they just
00:59:35
look. You know, you wasn't trying to
00:59:37
kill them with machine guns and trucks and all this other stuff.
00:59:41
They probably look the alien was like, oh she's harmless.
00:59:45
We can take care of her and you know, however, they think or
00:59:48
communicate or whatever they were like okay, she's not a
00:59:50
threat. We're just gonna go ahead and in
00:59:52
fact, her and be done. But when you have someone that
00:59:55
That's actively like trying to kill you.
00:59:59
I think, with any species or organism your your survival mode
01:00:05
kicks in, you're like, okay you're trying to kill me or let
01:00:07
me go ahead and take care of that.
01:00:10
Because other than that yeah, that didn't make sense to me,
01:00:13
you that I was like, why are they attacking them?
01:00:15
But then again, If you know that what's being done to your what's
01:00:20
being shocked, you know, the the bullets, the guns whatever.
01:00:24
If you have that whole what is a hive mind?
01:00:29
Borg mentality? Like the the the the the strands
01:00:33
that can communicate, they know what death is like because they
01:00:37
felt it from Other infected. So they probably oh yeah this is
01:00:42
not what we want. Yeah let's go ahead and take
01:00:44
care of this. Yeah and then also their
01:00:47
underground and because they're still actually alive.
01:00:50
So the thing is they thought that this was a barrier and once
01:00:54
they get through this barrier then they can go actually
01:00:56
infect. The rest of the noise the city.
01:01:00
So now they can go in the city and actually spread.
01:01:02
So just like an infection, we got to get through that barrier
01:01:07
of what medication or whatever, you trying to put in your body
01:01:09
to stop me once I get through that.
01:01:11
Barry, I can spray it out. Yeah.
01:01:14
Because there were those like there was like one guy that had
01:01:16
three of them on them that were like tearing their like pulling
01:01:19
him like three different ways and also like the blowtorch, I
01:01:22
don't think the bloater really was think about anything but
01:01:25
crushing people but I believe he was there.
01:01:28
Just body slam and everybody came in contact like the Hulk.
01:01:31
He was smashed and shit. It's fixable and just Lipscomb
01:01:35
is like the sound their bodies made.
01:01:37
When they these sound designers are fucking read fucking
01:01:40
ridiculously good. Like that mean the sound.
01:01:42
He made when he slammed down was like, it wasn't like booms.
01:01:45
Like, it's like the closest to a Splat that you could get fully
01:01:50
human body. Like God damn it, sounded gross.
01:01:55
It was Grim Superior lost his fucking head so it's not like
01:02:00
that. Sound like if you ever have Read
01:02:03
the word squelch, that's what that sounds like.
01:02:07
That's what that is. It's a squelch just horrible.
01:02:12
At least I was watching something and they were talking
01:02:16
about the amount of force that it takes to rip to rip.
01:02:20
Someone's head off is incredible.
01:02:22
Like, it takes a lot to do that. I mean, they Lucy didn't, at
01:02:27
least she didn't suffer with him, just like pulling and
01:02:29
pulling and like kind of ringing and pulling in liked, it's not
01:02:33
coming off. Some like, you know, just
01:02:34
ripping him. He doesn't really like, like you
01:02:36
back here at the piece of paper. Like, goddamn.
01:02:38
But yeah, I mean, I saw something too.
01:02:43
I think somebody it was like, one of those.
01:02:46
One of those shows that talks about effects in a movie and
01:02:50
stuff, and, you know, like kill shots, like they're saying even
01:02:54
how easy people make it seem, like, in a movie to, like, just
01:02:58
cut somebody's throat. They're like, no, you are a
01:03:01
regular human can't just do Ooh that just like Swish and
01:03:05
actually cut somebody's throat. Like there has to be a specific
01:03:09
way. You do it, there has to be a
01:03:10
specific Force like that's not something the average person can
01:03:13
do. So if that's hard we can just
01:03:18
imagine ripping off somebody's head.
01:03:19
I mean to decapitate someone takes some strength.
01:03:23
So for that bloated to just be like yeah, okay this is what we
01:03:27
going to do. I was like Well, like Michelle
01:03:31
said, well, he's not interested in infecting him, and I mean,
01:03:36
maybe they still can, maybe there's going to be a headless
01:03:40
per Perry walking around with the mice.
01:03:43
Hmm. I mean, think about, like, all I
01:03:45
gotta do is like go to grow like a little fungus hitter.
01:03:47
Les thing he is really need a head just like that.
01:03:50
I was just like I'm right there. No, no, that's not.
01:04:00
It has to be fully intact and functioning functioning, okay.
01:04:05
Well, maybe they had maybe the head will be this way, he'll
01:04:07
come out of the head, and then he'll just be rolling down the
01:04:09
road and be like, like a tumbleweed.
01:04:13
It's like, no, no, absolutely. You know what?
01:04:18
That just reminded me. That just reminded me of the
01:04:21
little baby doll hair from Toy Story, the one with the erector
01:04:24
set of body. Oh, Rolling down the street with
01:04:33
the how many people in The Walking Dead shows walk around
01:04:41
with by the heads and boxers? Well, if you watch no them quick
01:04:48
because they're dead. This get to the hard part.
01:05:11
So, of course, after Kathleen is attacked, by the child clicker,
01:05:17
we cut to an abandoned hotel. Now Motel, now this is.
01:05:22
This is the other thing I realize y'all are in the motel.
01:05:27
I realize y'all are just thankful that you're alive.
01:05:31
Why are you sitting in the room of an abandoned motel with the
01:05:34
blinds open and the One Singular light on like you are signaling
01:05:40
To any and everybody. Heck repair because of Any of
01:05:44
Kathleen's people did happen to get out and go in the same
01:05:47
direction looking for safety. All right, you think they're not
01:05:52
gonna finish what Kathleen started and at this it done they
01:05:56
would be even more pissed because they're like, oh, you us
01:06:00
chasing after you you just got all our people kill.
01:06:03
Like y'all just advertising that you're here.
01:06:06
No one survived that. I'm sorry.
01:06:09
Joe saw them are all the things running in the opposite
01:06:12
direction, to the cities of the serious times.
01:06:15
The city is concerned right now for themselves then that worried
01:06:18
about Henry and Sam anymore. I know they're trying to figure
01:06:22
out how they're going to survive the night.
01:06:24
I'm just saying I feel it's kind of like don't don't don't be a
01:06:28
beacon and let everybody know. Hey we're here because you don't
01:06:31
know what else is out there. You don't know who else is out
01:06:34
there. Yeah, you got the people in the
01:06:36
city. It might be a couple of
01:06:37
stragglers somewhere over here. I'm just I'm just saying that
01:06:41
you don't have to advertise Wherever You Are.
01:06:43
No, you're right, but I think Joe has I think he's Savvy
01:06:49
enough to know the situation. Mary Jo was tired as fuck.
01:06:54
Joe was sitting on the ground looking like he was about to
01:06:58
pass out from exhaustion. Joe was sitting there looking
01:07:02
like, what the fuck did we just escape from?
01:07:04
Like he's in shock, he's in exam even get it get their backpacks
01:07:09
and craft some health reserves or freezer.
01:07:15
Well, we've never find a health kit, right?
01:07:20
Well it was so at this point I was like okay how's this going
01:07:24
to end? Because it's always alien do by
01:07:27
themselves so they going to go their separate ways.
01:07:30
But as he's talking to Henry, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, Henry
01:07:34
has been bitten? Yeah, probably not about Henry,
01:07:42
but I knew I was like This is going to end.
01:07:44
And again this is my whole thing.
01:07:45
I'm sitting here looking like they have like when they showed
01:07:50
the motel you very you see that there's one light on.
01:07:54
I really thought that somebody from Kathleen's crew was going
01:07:57
to show up and kill them, especially once Joe was like, I
01:08:00
don't know how I'm getting to Wyoming but if you guys want I
01:08:03
was like, yeah, they're not gonna make it to Wyoming.
01:08:06
I was like because and that's what I thought because he
01:08:09
invited thought it was going to be.
01:08:10
I thought was going to be Henry and that they do, take Sam and
01:08:13
They dropped them off with a lovely family.
01:08:15
Who's looking to adopt a child. Pray that out in your head.
01:08:20
I did. That's why I thought that was
01:08:21
gonna happen. I thought he was gonna say by my
01:08:24
brother. I love you.
01:08:25
You know, this is the price. I have to pay take our family
01:08:30
name and live on and I thought, okay, next episode, when they
01:08:33
make it to, they gonna drop this little boy off, with some
01:08:35
family. You know?
01:08:38
I thought that's what was gonna house.
01:08:39
All my gosh, because he just looks so sad and like, yeah,
01:08:42
I'll join you and I'm thinking, oh hell he's bit somewhere and
01:08:46
he won't say I was wrong but no, it wasn't him.
01:08:51
We we, you know, while Joel and Henry are out there just kind of
01:08:56
counting their blessings that they are still alive.
01:08:58
You know, the kids are in the other room, they're in the
01:09:01
bedroom and Elias reading to Sam from a comic book that they
01:09:06
found in the The Little Shelter area and they start having this
01:09:12
conversation and I mean Sam was looking so sad but I didn't I
01:09:18
didn't take it to mean that he was dying.
01:09:23
I just took it like, okay, he just saw all of this horrible
01:09:28
stuff go on. He's only with nine in this
01:09:32
eight, in this episode. So I'm like okay he's just
01:09:35
taking the time to kind of take it all in and you know, they
01:09:39
start having the conversation, he writes to La.
01:09:42
He was like, you know, Do you ever get scared?
01:09:45
And she was like I'm scared all the time and they go back and
01:09:48
forth with all of this and you know, after Henry tells them to
01:09:53
go to bed or tell Sam to go to bed when he closes the door.
01:09:57
Ellie like tell Sam. Hey get up, let's continue.
01:10:00
Reading the comic book and Sam is just like looking at her and
01:10:03
he was like when they have a conversation about being scared,
01:10:08
Elliot meant. She was like I'm scared of being
01:10:10
alone and then Sam says he Is her a message or he writes a
01:10:16
message? And he was like if you turn into
01:10:19
a monster, is there is there still a part of you inside?
01:10:24
And I think when he said that Ellie knew and she just kind of
01:10:29
looked at him and the way that he I'm telling you Sam's whole
01:10:34
demeanor throughout this this scene because he was so calm
01:10:38
about it like he wasn't. He wasn't hysterical, he wasn't
01:10:43
upset. It was just kind of one of those
01:10:45
things. It reminded me of Rosita,
01:10:47
Michelle and The Walking Dead. It was kind of one of those
01:10:49
things like he accepted, what was about to happen.
01:10:53
And I don't know, maybe because he had been sick before with a
01:10:56
disease that that could have killed him.
01:10:59
Maybe he was just kind of like, okay, you know what it is what
01:11:03
it is. It is it has happened.
01:11:05
You know, he lifts up his pant leg and he has been infected and
01:11:10
Again, according to the poster that we saw in the qz, it if you
01:11:18
get infected in the leg, it takes 12 to 24 hours before you
01:11:25
you become, you know, quote, unquote infected.
01:11:29
So at this point, this is when Ellie is thinking she was like
01:11:34
oh wait a minute, she was like my blood is medicine and she
01:11:36
cuts her hand open and she puts her open wound on top.
01:11:41
Of his woman thinking that her blood will be able to cure him
01:11:45
and I felt so bad because when she did that I was like maybe I
01:11:50
was there was like a part of me that was like, maybe there's
01:11:54
hope maybe it'll slow it down or something and my first thought
01:12:01
was it don't work like that. And my second thought was your,
01:12:05
she actually might make it worse.
01:12:07
What the third thought was, you need more blood than that.
01:12:10
Because you don't have to cut, you know if let him suck on the
01:12:13
blood, pour some actual blood on it, not just a little bit of.
01:12:16
Yeah. Do your chance.
01:12:17
He's right. You need to cut a larger hole in
01:12:20
your arm and I thought your 4x4 thought was bitching out a
01:12:23
vampire. What the hell are you doing?
01:12:26
Trying to turn him? But, you know, stop.
01:12:28
The other thing was, when, when she put her hand on his, and his
01:12:32
on his leg, and she closes her eyes, and it's almost like, I
01:12:36
don't know if she's praying, or if she's just kind of like
01:12:38
please work. Please work.
01:12:40
But your Number in the earlier episodes, we were talking about
01:12:43
when she first encounters the clicker in the museum and the
01:12:46
way she kind of closed her eyes when it approached, you know,
01:12:49
there's been the question of whether or not, she can actually
01:12:53
feel these things or if she can control something, you know, and
01:13:00
it was just one of those things where I felt like, okay, maybe
01:13:03
her doing this, maybe she can communicate with it.
01:13:06
Tell it to slow down whatever it is until they can figure out
01:13:09
some. I don't know.
01:13:11
But there was a small part of me that was hoping, okay, let this
01:13:16
do something. Please don't kill this baby in
01:13:18
this episode and then you know all I saw was what's his name in
01:13:23
Green Mile, when he was trying to heal little girls?
01:13:25
He was like there's too much I can't take it out of my was like
01:13:31
yeah I was like why you gotta kill the little black boy?
01:13:37
I thought she might be accelerating.
01:13:40
To. Yeah, she probably did too.
01:13:43
She probably could have because, I mean, it's what may be the
01:13:47
next morning when she wakes up because he tells her to stay
01:13:50
away with him and I think she maybe she just dozed off for a
01:13:55
little, I don't know, but he was sitting on the side of the bed
01:13:58
towards the window, which I'm thinking he probably did that
01:14:02
before. He turned like he wanted to see
01:14:04
the sun the, you know, one last time because again, he was very
01:14:08
calm. I think he knew that he was
01:14:10
going to die. Why?
01:14:11
And when she goes over and she tries to touch him, it's so
01:14:16
strange because she, she's making noise when she gets out
01:14:19
of the chair. She says, hey, he doesn't turn
01:14:23
is not until she actually touched him.
01:14:26
That he turns towards her and we see that he's changed.
01:14:28
And of course, he attacks her. She runs out of the room and he
01:14:31
attacks her on the ground and Joel and Henry are sleep in the
01:14:35
other room and they both wake up and they're panicking.
01:14:37
Joe goes for the gun, but here, we gets it first and he points
01:14:41
it at Joel. When Joel tries to go and stop
01:14:45
Sam, he shoots the gun at Joe's feet, so the Joel can't move.
01:14:50
And then I guess when he turns around and he looks at the
01:14:53
situation and he hears Ellie screaming He real is like, at
01:14:58
that point, it clicked in his mind that that's not my brother
01:15:01
and he shoots him and kills them.
01:15:04
And then it's like at that same moment that's when it clicked in
01:15:07
his mind again. Oh, that's my little brother.
01:15:10
You know what I'm saying? Because you can see the horror
01:15:12
on his face and this one of those where it's kind of like, I
01:15:16
feel like he had so many emotions, it was one of those
01:15:18
things like, oh my God, he got, he got bit, he got infected, oh
01:15:22
my God, I just shot my brother and then I think, I think the
01:15:26
thing that probably really got to him, not only thinking about,
01:15:31
I just had to kill my brother but it was I did all of this for
01:15:37
nothing. He ended up dying.
01:15:39
Anyway, just like Kathleen said, you know, like I gave up a good
01:15:43
man. I all these people, die Kathleen
01:15:47
is dead. Her soldiers are there all of
01:15:49
these people died for me to keep him safe.
01:15:54
And he still ended up dead anyway and I think in that
01:15:57
moment Henry felt a lot of guilt.
01:16:01
He probably felt a lot of Shame and he probably felt like
01:16:05
hopeless because at that point you've been doing everything to
01:16:08
protect your brother and now he's gone in the worst possible
01:16:13
way in like if there is any indicator that you as failed as
01:16:17
a protector it's what's laying on the floor in front of you
01:16:21
now. The see this is where Kate was
01:16:24
telling you kept caged. Kathleen was telling him you
01:16:27
can't play with faith. You know, this is what happens
01:16:31
when you play with faith. And this Tobacco For a Moment,
01:16:33
Michelle pointing this out. To me were watching you like he
01:16:37
didn't hear a lie because he's deaf.
01:16:39
So she's saying she's speaking to him and Sam can't hear her.
01:16:45
He doesn't even know that she's there.
01:16:47
I'm tool she touches him. Oh yeah, you're right.
01:16:51
Yeah. The way you turn in fact because
01:16:53
he he yeah, he's deaf. Yeah, I didn't think about that.
01:16:57
So it's possible that maybe he he turned away from her so maybe
01:17:04
he was caused cogs and cognizant about this enough to know that
01:17:10
if I'm if if I can't see her, I'm not going to attack her.
01:17:15
Yeah, so anyway, I look at Henry all that.
01:17:20
What Hannah Cole said Plus He has never killed anybody, right?
01:17:26
And the first person we feel, is your I tell you I was trying not
01:17:38
to cry. I think the thing that really
01:17:44
got me like the same thing like I said, it's up to a point.
01:17:49
I started expecting it. But I didn't expect Henry until
01:17:55
I started seeing the way he was looking at Joe, when Joe was
01:17:57
trying to get the gun from him. I was like oh when he's looking
01:18:00
he was like, what did I do? What did I do?
01:18:02
I said he about to shoot himself and that's exactly what he did.
01:18:05
And it was just oh that tore my heart out.
01:18:10
I was like I knew they were going to be around longer than
01:18:12
episode but still is like he didn't have to go down like this
01:18:19
man. I gotta give it to her Henry
01:18:24
because his facial expressions after he shot Sam.
01:18:28
When he was like processing, everything was just like in Peg.
01:18:32
Like he, he nailed like you, he really didn't have to say
01:18:35
anything. You can see literally in his
01:18:38
face like him, his face said everything that needed to be
01:18:41
said, it's like, even when Joel was like, give me the gun.
01:18:44
Come on, give me the gun. He's like, what about you?
01:18:47
You just see like, his face was just like, pleading, like,
01:18:50
please tell me I did do this, too.
01:18:52
I didn't tell my tell me this is my fault.
01:18:54
Tell me. I didn't just like in this like
01:18:56
he couldn't find the answer. You can see that he was he was
01:18:59
desperately trying to find an answer to what happened and to
01:19:03
what he did. But he wasn't finding anything
01:19:05
and it's just like that feeling of hopelessness like right at
01:19:08
the end when he was like looking his kind of looking down, he
01:19:11
just went because you see all this like the blood running and
01:19:15
that's what the camera is focusing on the good running
01:19:18
down. The It was really good job at
01:19:24
8:00 these little tip. I mean, this is going to really
01:19:28
hurt them. Come, come Awards time.
01:19:29
Because like, who do you give supporting actor to we just like
01:19:33
I mean the point is like you give it to Nick, you give it to
01:19:38
you, give it to Bill of Frank and give it to what's-her-name
01:19:42
who played test, you give it to either one of these two like Who
01:19:48
do you give it to like for real? That's like this is I mean these
01:19:52
performances are crazy like really fucking good.
01:19:59
What it's like. Okay, we're going to episode 6
01:20:02
now. So there are three more
01:20:03
episodes. Like, who else are we about to
01:20:05
me? Oh wait.
01:20:07
We have below to hold on. The, we can't, we can't skip
01:20:09
over after they buried him and it's like, she takes his little
01:20:13
boy. Shout out to them bringing back.
01:20:15
The little, that little pool. Think that he used to
01:20:17
communicate because I had like a ton of those as a kid.
01:20:20
Oh my God. I had when I had two of those is
01:20:25
fucking awesome but it's like when she wrote, I'm sorry I put
01:20:28
it down and she just started walking like, she's so fucking
01:20:31
numb now. It's like, yeah, that was the
01:20:35
sad part of the episode 2. Yeah.
01:20:37
Because you just start walking. She was like, come on, because
01:20:40
she, like, she's actually kind of took she kind of turned into
01:20:43
Joel. Yeah, she turned kind of turned
01:20:45
into Joel and assemble it at the end.
01:20:47
I was like, I feel so bad. It's really hard to see when
01:20:52
When kids lose hope, right there.
01:20:56
Our last group that has the hope when everyone else is Hope is
01:21:00
gone. And to see that gone, that's
01:21:04
horrible. I think the the really
01:21:07
heartbreaking thing for me with LA to is that she really, really
01:21:13
truly in her thought heart got that she was going to be able to
01:21:17
say sam, you know, it's like from the beginning Marlene tells
01:21:21
her, you know, You're something special about you.
01:21:24
You've been bitten like not once she's been bitten twice since
01:21:27
we've met her, you know, and she hasn't turned, she hasn't had
01:21:32
any symptoms and she really is believing this thing about old,
01:21:36
her blood is the key. So, in her young mind, why
01:21:40
wouldn't that work? Like, instead of diluting and
01:21:44
doing whatever it is that you're doing?
01:21:45
Hey, here's the source, take it and for her to realize that
01:21:50
that's not the case. You know, that has to Like you
01:21:53
said Michelle? She has no hope now.
01:21:55
She's like, why are we even doing this?
01:21:59
That poor child? I just uh, I swear to God.
01:22:04
Like she took to Sam so quickly, like she really became a big
01:22:10
sister to him. And she, she really needed that
01:22:15
and now that's gone and it's just like you said.
01:22:18
I feel like she's gonna probably be like Joel because she's gonna
01:22:20
be like yeah I don't need to know nothing else.
01:22:24
Like I met test started bonding with her she's gone she didn't
01:22:29
she didn't get to meet Billy Frank but she knew enough about
01:22:32
them to where she's like oh okay.
01:22:36
Well they were supposed to be great and help us out and now
01:22:39
they're gone and now you got Sam gone and Henry's gone.
01:22:42
Just a baby. Stew for us.
01:22:49
Having a having a go through these heart, breaks every week.
01:22:53
Just my who were going to meet next week.
01:22:56
That's going to die. I don't know.
01:22:58
You either. Get back to meet her brother.
01:23:00
I'm like, oh shit. Yes he come.
01:23:03
Yeah, we're supposed to see Tommy again next week.
01:23:05
So I'm just, I don't know how I feel about that because I'm like
01:23:09
if it gets if it's one of those things where Tommy and Joel are
01:23:13
going to be going at each other, I'm not sure I want to see that.
01:23:18
I don't well. Yeah, I mean, I think most of us
01:23:25
have heard. I've heard how this kind of
01:23:27
turns out in the game so it's like I haven't, I spit, I have
01:23:31
speculations, but I'm not gonna say them cuz I'm, yeah, I just I
01:23:37
kind of want to see how this unfolds because like I do too,
01:23:43
most of us are not familiar with the game.
01:23:45
So I don't know, a lot of the story, I do know that they have
01:23:47
taken some deviations and they've added some things like
01:23:51
Going to say Kathleen is not in the game.
01:23:53
So the fact that they added her in there and kind of created a
01:23:57
little bit more background or a little more, you know,
01:24:00
Exposition for the story. I love it.
01:24:03
So I really don't want to know what happens.
01:24:06
But of course, I feel like because they've kind of
01:24:09
introduced this conflict between Joel and Tommy, you know?
01:24:13
And they're kind of a strange now even though, yes, they're
01:24:16
going to be glad to see each other.
01:24:20
Under what circumstances are they going to see each other?
01:24:22
Like obviously Tommy has found himself with another group and
01:24:27
we just don't know how that's gonna go.
01:24:32
So I don't know. I don't want to be reintroduced
01:24:36
to Tommy just lose them in the same episode or lose them in the
01:24:40
next episode. So I really hope that's not
01:24:42
where we're going. But I like I don't even know for
01:24:45
the second game. I don't even know if Joel Joel
01:24:48
and Ellie are alive for the The second game.
01:24:50
Like that's how much I've stayed away from any game news because
01:24:54
I am like I don't play the game anyway, I don't want to, I don't
01:24:57
want to be spoiled. I just want to see what they're
01:24:59
going to do with this show, but I'm very stressed and worried,
01:25:06
But yeah, it's gonna be okay. I think maybe we just have to
01:25:12
remember the title. The Last of Us.
01:25:24
So shout out to shout out to Adam basil.
01:25:33
He's the dude that played the bloater.
01:25:36
He's like 66 and some ridiculous amount of weight and it's like
01:25:42
he he's been in venom. He was In the, when the
01:25:46
live-action Beauty and the Beast, and he's been a dick to
01:25:50
Venom's to saying here, but he basically does, he's basically a
01:25:53
stuntman. So he didn't need to have money.
01:25:56
He need have any lines or said that the suit that he wore for
01:25:58
the bloater was like 80 pounds, but his name's Adam basil.
01:26:02
I'll just wondered give him a shout out because he did good.
01:26:05
Shout out to the guy that that hit them and because I had to go
01:26:12
actually, one actually had to go back and do.
01:26:14
To play Devil's, team added go back and think about the scene
01:26:19
where she where Kathleen was interrogating him and I was like
01:26:22
he really did like what they said.
01:26:27
Like he did a really good job of not giving in to her and telling
01:26:31
her where he was like. What do you think if we think
01:26:34
about? Yeah, we go back and think about
01:26:35
that scene. I was like shit.
01:26:37
Okay. Like he, he basically really
01:26:40
held it down. Yeah, I guess because he brought
01:26:42
the person who ratted him out, I'm out.
01:26:45
She was like, He's won. She was like, well, he did a
01:26:50
hell of a lot better job of keeping it quiet.
01:26:52
Then you guys did because she, you know, again, that's somebody
01:26:56
that she's known all her life, someone that she trusted.
01:27:00
So she was like, yeah, which probably also contributed to
01:27:05
her, her her Vendetta against Henry.
01:27:09
Because this is somebody that she knew somebody that she
01:27:12
trusts clothes. And this is somebody, she never
01:27:15
did Kill and then then you know, she probably blame that on Henry
01:27:19
to like oh because of you you know he was helping you, I had
01:27:23
to kill him so she probably blames that on him too and I
01:27:28
want to give a shout-out to the collaborators meeting because
01:27:31
they meet they all know each other like yeah, meeting rooms
01:27:35
that I gave up such I gave up such and such This is where we
01:27:40
don't hide this Cuban people. That's the game that the federal
01:27:43
would play. Oh well, you know, synthesis
01:27:46
told this, this is Alia. Give us something else.
01:27:50
Their baby, they played, they kind of knew who was who Ripley
01:27:54
you tell me? But I mean, if you think about
01:27:58
it, maybe they didn't know each other but Federal probably kept
01:28:01
records. And of course, once the
01:28:04
revolutionaries took over feathers, they probably had
01:28:07
access to all of that stuff. Like Oh, okay.
01:28:09
And then, of course, they were also torturing all of the
01:28:12
federal soldiers and everything. So they probably got some
01:28:15
information like, oh, so who collaborated with you?
01:28:18
Oh, so who collaborated with you, okay.
01:28:20
So let's go start, that that's probably what happened.
01:28:24
I mean, or is it kind of easy like 25 knives in his body?
01:28:28
I'm sure after the first three or four, he probably gave a few
01:28:31
names up. And also, it's kind of easy.
01:28:34
Like, okay, Jim over there with his wife.
01:28:37
Sarah Sarah is dying in the next.
01:28:39
Week. She looks healthy as a horse but
01:28:41
then the neighbor across the street man pulled out they
01:28:43
house. Yeah.
01:28:45
What was the other thing your neighborhood as she was like?
01:28:47
So was it worth selling your neighbors out for like medicine
01:28:51
and this and, and fucking apples.
01:28:54
I was like, oh, so somebody walking around with apple, she's
01:28:58
like exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:29:00
Now I think I can defend the medication.
01:29:02
I can't defend the apples. Well, the apples do with your
01:29:05
being and yeah, you're starving, you know, children are safe.
01:29:09
Starving, you probably would, you know what I'm saying?
01:29:12
So yeah. I mean, think about medicine and
01:29:15
food? Yeah.
01:29:15
Think about the rashes. I mean they they went through
01:29:18
all those cans for 11 days and they were just grateful for the
01:29:22
little scraps that Joel and Ellie gave them, you know?
01:29:25
Yeah. Because it was like, oh, we have
01:29:27
food now. Yeah, your people are eating
01:29:29
that beef jerky, but yeah, yeah, so I'm talking about like the
01:29:41
other people are eating, like, beef jerky, pump crumb.
01:29:45
So fair, just like, who we see that your child is malnourished?
01:29:49
Would you like a basket of fruit?
01:29:53
I mean, apple a day and apple a day keeps of stitches.
01:30:00
Okay, but also that I like how they doing the fan service, but
01:30:11
I like how they just incorporating the game and the
01:30:14
show, because if you go and look, literally that last scene
01:30:18
in the hole, the motel was exactly the cutscene, in the and
01:30:22
in the show there's a really true it in a game is Art and
01:30:25
they are. Yep.
01:30:27
And I so awesome. I mentioned this in the chat but
01:30:31
what we're going to do. Once we finish the regular
01:30:34
episode coverage, we Are actually going to do a bonus
01:30:38
episode for the last of us. We're going to have a few Gamers
01:30:43
who have played the game, come on the show.
01:30:45
We're going to talk to them about what they thought Carlos,
01:30:48
who was one of our longtime loyal listeners.
01:30:52
He's been listening to the show since the beginning.
01:30:54
He's also a co-worker of mine and Anthony.
01:30:57
He's gonna be probably was he was listening to the show in
01:31:00
your office before we actually recorded the show, but he's
01:31:05
going to be one of the people that We talked to because he's a
01:31:08
huge gamer and he is known for hating pretty much all video
01:31:14
game adaptations because he said all of them did it right?
01:31:18
And all of them. After the first episode of this,
01:31:21
he walks into my office, he was like this is how you fucking do
01:31:24
a video game adaptation. I was like, yeah, we're going to
01:31:27
talk to you. We're definitely going to talk
01:31:29
to you. So we're going to do that
01:31:30
because I do want to see how it holds up against the video game,
01:31:35
but I also want to see what it is.
01:31:37
You know what they like or dislike about the stuff that
01:31:39
they added or that they change. So you know again, none of us
01:31:43
play the game. Michelle has a little bit of
01:31:45
knowledge of him. Anthony has a little bit of
01:31:47
knowledge because they have family members who play it.
01:31:50
So we're going to end up doing that sometime next month.
01:31:55
After the final episode airs. When I got three episodes left,
01:31:59
y'all. Yes.
01:32:01
But oh, I'm sorry. The other thing is, for the next
01:32:05
episode Rutina Wesley, I'm so fucking excited.
01:32:12
I'm so excited. Y'all don't know who rutina
01:32:13
Wesley is first of all you need to climb from up under the rock
01:32:17
that you're under. But anyway she's Tara into True
01:32:21
Blood, she was jostling and The Walking Dead.
01:32:25
Those are the shows I know her from she's also like one of the
01:32:28
stars of Queen sugar. So huge, huge Talent.
01:32:33
I'm so excited to see what she's going to do in the show.
01:32:35
But anyway, I'm sorry, Mike, go ahead.
01:32:38
I'm real quick. I'm Melanie.
01:32:39
Melanie lynskey is husband is John Ritter as a drummer, your
01:32:43
son, you know, the guy from Three's Company.
01:32:45
I found that out when I was, when I was looking her up after
01:32:50
the first episode Jason Ritter is her husband Jason Ritter.
01:32:54
Yes, yeah, but um, because I was like, no, that's the wrong j.
01:32:59
But yeah, Jason Ritter is her husband.
01:33:01
But yeah, I looked that up, when I saw it when I was, like I
01:33:04
said, I was looking. I was like, I know her for But
01:33:07
it just wasn't clicking in my brain.
01:33:09
And then when she did that monologue in the bedroom, I was
01:33:13
like she had the baby in the bar, like that was, I don't
01:33:18
know. I don't remember how long ago
01:33:19
that movie was, but that's just one of those.
01:33:22
One of those lines that you say it out loud and you
01:33:24
automatically know what movie it comes from and what seen it is.
01:33:28
So that's just one of those things.
01:33:30
But anyway, Especial fuck you to people who are talking about her
01:33:34
being too fat for the role. Wait, All the muffins, kiss my
01:33:38
ass. Yeah.
01:33:39
We're not even going it was such a hate it.
01:33:45
I hate it. When people do this shit, it's
01:33:47
like, why are you? So concerned about is like, you
01:33:50
can't again just like we talked about in episode episode 1
01:33:53
episode 2, you can't get accurate adaptations for these
01:33:57
things. Unless you have the actual
01:33:59
people playing the part, it doesn't slide over about it
01:34:02
being accurate. Why are you worried about
01:34:04
whether or not? She exactly it really does.
01:34:07
He was made up. I'm confused.
01:34:11
She would make up some dumbass model said something about her.
01:34:15
Not looking like she was in an apocalypse because she didn't
01:34:19
look like she was missing any some some bullshit missed any
01:34:24
bills. I was like bitch what?
01:34:26
Its first of all whatever that look that just goes to show that
01:34:32
we could we could survive in a zombie apocalypse and be just
01:34:36
fine. So whatever.
01:34:38
Anyway correct. What compute?
01:34:41
I'm still confused as if you want to Route the everybody
01:34:44
everybody nobody should have no lean muscle everybody.
01:34:49
Everybody close your phone. If you don't go, that route
01:34:52
wants to it because she was like I'm the person that was
01:34:57
responsible for taking down fedra, like I don't have to look
01:35:02
a particular way for that. I was like, yeah, that she was
01:35:04
the one that took down the goddamn government.
01:35:06
Fuck you. Yay.
01:35:09
Anyway, whatever. But too bad that didn't, that
01:35:14
didn't help her with him to the clickers but you know, it is
01:35:20
what it is. Wow.
01:35:25
All thoughts on this heartbreaking, episode of The
01:35:30
Last of Us, man, I'm good. I just don't, I don't expect any
01:35:36
of them to have Happy Endings anymore.
01:35:37
I'm just spectating like someone get killed.
01:35:39
I'm like, I can't get comfortable with anybody.
01:35:41
I'm just looking like, it's the last
01:35:56
I'm still gonna be like hmm. Okay, so next episode, you going
01:35:59
to die. I mean, because we said it about
01:36:01
Kathleen's character. We would like what was it?
01:36:03
You said might. He was like, yeah, she's
01:36:05
probably a two-episode Arc. Yeah, definitely grand opening
01:36:09
Grand closing you gonna be here that long, don't get
01:36:11
comfortable, don't you sit down? Just keep walking that way and
01:36:15
then yeah, we'll take care of you with a gun pointed.
01:36:18
That's why I'm, that's why I'm worried about him.
01:36:19
Worry about Tommy. I'm like because we said the
01:36:24
same thing about went because tests seem like a character
01:36:26
where they will be like we can't get rid of her.
01:36:29
So it's like, I'm like, hmm. I don't know coming.
01:36:36
We started with the first episode.
01:36:37
So thanks right with every episode, just like you, we lose
01:36:43
somebody like me, could be anyone, anybody can get it.
01:36:49
Oh yeah. Yeah, I guess we'll see you guys
01:36:52
know some guys, what time it. Go in the next episode, but,
01:36:55
before we go, I'm just gonna put this reminder out there.
01:36:58
Again, members of the fan of hybrid podcast, we will be
01:37:02
appearing at Atlanta comic convention at the end of this
01:37:06
month, Michelle, Casey. And I will be doing two Walking
01:37:09
Dead based panels Anthony and I will be doing a father knows
01:37:13
worst panel. So if you guys are in Atlanta,
01:37:16
February 24th to 26th, Come to the World Congress Center and
01:37:20
hang out with us. Come listen to us talk, some
01:37:22
geek stuff, and listen to come. See some other things.
01:37:25
They've got lots of people coming, like they've got like
01:37:29
100 people from The Walking Dead coming and will maybe not quite
01:37:33
that many, but they I mean today and Giancarlo Esposito is going
01:37:44
to be there. They've got some voice actors
01:37:47
from like Dragon Balls. See, and they've got all kinds
01:37:50
of people coming. I went to Fantasmic last year,
01:37:54
which is part of what this Khan has morphed into, and it was a
01:38:00
very fun experience. So if you're looking for
01:38:03
something geeky to do at the end of the month, come to the ATL
01:38:06
comic convention information is on their website at
01:38:09
www.ato.gov.au calm. We will post information about
01:38:15
our panels on our website Phantom hybrid.com.
01:38:18
Calm. But for now, that is it for our
01:38:21
show. You can find us online at
01:38:22
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01:38:29
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01:38:37
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01:38:40
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