#thelastofus Joel and Ellie continue to make their way towards Wyoming. Ellie tries to break the ice with Joel, who does not find her attempts humorous. A forced detour lands the pair in hot water. After saving Joel during an attack, Ellie makes a startling confession. The leader of a new group pursues a defector, while ignoring a much larger problem in her camp. Joel and Ellie seek shelter, but find themselves in a compromising situation.
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Was the Pirates, welcome back to another episode of The Phantom
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hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here
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with Anthony Michelle, Mike and Laurie and we are discussing
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episode 4 of The Last of Us and no II.
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You put your hand down. We are not starting with you
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yet. I already know where we're going
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and I already got something to say about you.
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You gonna put your hand down because Maury tried to start the
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podcast off and we hadn't even hit.
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Bored yet so Lori, you were not with us last week for episode 3.
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So go ahead real quickly and give us your thoughts about
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that. Before we get into episode 4, I
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never knew I wanted a bonus /, sidequest episode as bad as this
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episode. Oh my freaking God, I cried.
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It was the most beautiful heartbreaking gut-wrenching.
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Awesome episode. I've ever seen in my life except
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for Stargate, Atlantis episode. 16.
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Season 3 when dr. Carson Beckett dice.
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That's all I'm gonna say. It was the best thing I've seen
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in years. It was, it was Sublime.
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It was perfect. I thought that in order for
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World building, it gave us the background that we needed for
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other than Joel and Ellie and what was happening with the
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infected. But at the same time, it kind of
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brings to what would be if If it was us, if we were stuck in our
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homes or apartments, and we had a loved one, and we just sort
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of, you know, you know, kept my, husband's a prepper.
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So I've got stuff like five years, so it's like, we never
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leave our apartment and we go outside, come back in, you know,
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maybe check on the car and, you know, we're together and we grow
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old and one of us get sick and we have to take care of each
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other. We realize that this is the end
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and we're going to prep for I Lord.
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Help me Jesus. I swear to God it was some of
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the best television. I've seen in my entire life,
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that's my take. Okay, all right.
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And before we get to Mike, I want to do, I'm just gonna do
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something a little bit different because we have started getting
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some interactions on our YouTube page.
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You know, we started posting our videos maybe about half a year
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ago and it's slowly kind of building up and we have some
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comments on our YouTube page. So I just want to go ahead And
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read those so response to our video covering episode 1, we
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have Shari Perez who posted, she said, love this, yes.
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Listen to the animals, dogs, cats and birds, be knowing.
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When it's time to go, I played the game and most of it is true
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to the game. Hard choices must be made in the
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game to, like walking dead don't get attached to anyone.
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Loving the show catching up on your episodes and then we have
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no lead Nelly who just says another great reviews.
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So we just want to say thank you guys for listening and for
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providing feedback that lets us know that we are doing something
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right. And then I believe I also was
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told that by David Cameo over on the squawking dead podcast that
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they actually mentioned us in their review of episode 2
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because they listen to our show and they listen to what Lori was
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saying about the whole gluten thing and the bread thing and
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David was like wait That's actually amazing.
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It's so excited. Squawking, damn, for shouting us
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out. We love you guys and check them
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out when you get done checking us out and listen to that show.
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They have a really funny show and they have really good
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people. So anyway, all right, let's get
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to this thing because the first thing I'm going to say before.
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Anything else we talk about this episode.
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When I say, I watch this episode and I was like, oh my God, Mike
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and Ellie Arthur Kindred Spirits with the Fucking bad jokes.
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Oh, nope. I watch this episode.
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I had to call Maury. I was like, I don't know, Maury,
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I think she might be my daughter.
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Somehow I'd say they think we like, she is me.
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I am her. I'm like, what the hell?
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Like this is like, I'm like, okay, she's sarcastic, she loves
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dad jokes. She does, she does stuff she's
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not supposed to do. I'm like, that's not.
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Like, that's me. That's like a female version of
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me to say that first joke. And when it came out I said, oh
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my God. Mike is on the show.
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Yeah exactly. It doesn't matter how much you
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push the envelope. It'll still be stationary.
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That's my I love. That was like that.
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I love that joke. very cursed joke, she told I was
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like, oh my God, Mike is probably sitting there watching
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this like We're going about like I'm surprised, you know, but the
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last one, where is where she said?
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She said, what she said. That diarrhea is hereditary,
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isn't? It's in the genes.
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I was like, like, yes, I'm like, it's like that first.
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I was kind of like, okay, she's sarcastic, just cool.
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That was like, wait, she's literally is like a little
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female version of me. This is weird.
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Especially at this episode when she was like, she had those, she
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got the magazine and she was like, oh, She was like why the
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pages stuck together? I was like, oh my God.
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I was like nah. With the magazine at first, I
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thought she picked up like, hmm. I thought it was a little bit
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more risqué and then I looked I was like, okay, can't be that
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bad because he's actually clothes on the cover.
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And then when she starts like, oh, like, what are they doing?
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Oh yeah. I was just fucking, which I was
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like this little girl. I don't care how old she says.
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She is this, this is an old soul in a young body.
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Like she has wait for someone who has never experienced the
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world. She has way too much of it up
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here, how to, you know, how to make the jokes, how to how to
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fuck with them. Because I mean she was doing
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that with with him and test just kind of like fucking with them.
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And I'm just like she just um this little this little girl has
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been here before she has been out more than she is told them
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she has but she has a little bit too much world and knowledge and
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just watching her in this episode I was just like This kid
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like I can see how she's going to become important to Joel you
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know and you even start to see that towards the end of the
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episode when they have the shootout, the way he's looking
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at her. When he's telling her you're
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going to go in that hole and you're going to do this and
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you're going to be safe and they're not going to shoot you
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like I think that's when it started to shift from cargo to.
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Oh my God. This is a little kid that I need
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to take care of. And I think her telling those
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jokes throughout the whole So you know, throughout the whole
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episode, I feel like maybe Sarah was that kind because we got to
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see a little bit of Sarah's humor in the first episode.
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Not as much as this, but we did see that she was also a kid who
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likes to joke around with her dad and I feel like Ellie
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starting to break those walls down with Joel.
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And it was because she was telling all of these fucking dad
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jokes. I also think it was time to, I
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think he's never really spent. Hasn't spent time with kids or
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children until now and he may he may have forgotten what it was
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like because he a kind of closed himself off and now he's got her
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and you know he's they've been together what?
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34 days. Maybe a week two weeks but it's
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been 24 hours a day non-stop. Hold on for a second.
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Somebody's echoing. I was on the road.
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You could have at least tried to butter me up first, First, I'm
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sorry, I'm sorry. Let me leave the jokes to me and
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Ellie. Okay calm down with that.
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Now we have to buy that book. If you Google Ellie's areas dad
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jokes, you can find the list of all the jokes from the game.
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No, dude. What is it just seemed like
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that? Why would you do that?
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I'm already looking up on my phone.
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So, work to my head, I have myself to blame Anyway, oh my
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God. So you said but as I was saying,
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yeah he he just he's been spending time with her.
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So however long they been together.
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However, long, he's been those walls like you said, they have
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no choice but to come down. Yeah.
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Also that magazine scene is on taking directly like literally
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directly from the Game. Like this is the they put up
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side by side with her holding a magazine is like the same scene
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directly in this in the game. Okay.
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Do they have that same magazine like the men of those different
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magazine but it was like the same content, you know?
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Yeah. Okay but anyway so the episode
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starts out with Ellie. You you remember in the last
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episode when she was at billion francs, she happened to get her
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hands on a gun and Joe does not know that.
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She has his gun. So we see her at the beginning
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of the episode and she's in a bathroom.
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A very like, I understand you don't have a lot of choices, but
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you would not catch me in some of these bathrooms that they
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have. Anyway, she's in there.
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She's looking in the mirror and she's like, pretending like
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she's shooting. Now while she's there, she
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looks. She takes the mag out of the gun
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and she takes the other bullet out.
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I was like, this ain't her first time handling a gun.
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Yeah. She's had training.
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Like she has. Like she yeah, like properly
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handling that gun. I was like, oh shit.
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She okay. Yeah.
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And I know she I know she goes the federal school but we
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haven't really like we know it's a military school because it's
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run by Federer the military. But we never been told yet.
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Exactly what they're training them or you know what their
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schooling down. And like we know that she knows
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some basic things. We know that there are other
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things, she doesn't know. And when, you know, Joe pressed
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her about it, she was like, it's a shootie school.
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So I was like, okay, I'm get, I'm guessing they are training
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these children to be soldiers from a young age because again,
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at least 14, So yeah, you have the Child Soldier aspect to
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that, which I'm like, yeah, I don't really like that.
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But then, again, they live in a world of infected people that
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can kill you. So, I guess there really isn't a
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choice about that. But, you know, I just think that
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kind of lends itself to us, seeing, from the very beginning
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of the episode that, as much as Ellie has a child, and we see
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her Access to certain things in a childlike way.
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She's almost an adult in other ways, too, which is sad because
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again, this is all she's ever known, you know.
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So anyway, then she said, you know, they go out, they're
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actually getting gas. And, you know, when I thought
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about it, when I looked at it, I was like, okay.
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So this is what we were talking about last week and then I was
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like, no, he siphoning gas out of the cars.
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So I don't know if It's just that they didn't make it to one
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of their little stashes. Or if it's just as Joel said,
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you know, he was talking to Ellie about the gas because she
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was asking she was like, so how often are we going to have to do
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this? And he was like, well, you know,
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gas when it sits for so long it starts breaking down.
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This gas is almost like water. Now, you know, and he had the
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conversation, he was like, yeah, 20 years ago, we could have gone
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like A Long Way to the 12 hours with this anyway, here's my
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problem though. I'm like I need a scientist to
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really tell me how long gas lasts because depending on shows
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is either two years. This is 20 years.
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I'm having a hard time believing it.
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There was even water in the tank.
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Well yeah. Cuz you would, you would think
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that if it was water would have evaporated by now?
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So I'm like, well, it depends upon the mineral content.
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It depends upon whether or not you've got a high or a little
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evaporation rate from the container and also depends on
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the grade of gas. That is there an average gas
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station with gas should be able to sustain ably hold gas,
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continually renewing for up to four to six months?
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If it's been sitting in stagnant, going to get
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separation after about four to five years.
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So typically gasps that's a is in a container, in your garage
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that gas is good for two to three years.
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If it's in a gas station sitting in the tank, it's good for
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another five to seven. So What about your 15?
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Your gas is going to start breaking down and buy your 17 18
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19, you're going to get the water but you can still, if you
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can spin it, evaporate it out, bring it down.
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You should be able to pump it get areata and you should be
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able to get some gas. But yeah, what they're saying is
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actually true. Oh thank you, sorry working
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engineering and I kind of hear this all the talking but what
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gas station should be getting gas from?
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That's nothing. On the left, you know, the one
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in those sticks, but basically, no, they the one thing that I
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noticed about the show is that the science quote.
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Technology is pretty much the way that it should.
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It kind of should track. Unlike a lot of shows is very
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realistic so but yeah, no, the gas is about work, should be
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because it will break down after about 20 years.
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Okay. Okay, so road trip.
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You're on the road trip, you know.
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L he's talking about the things that she wants to see because I
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think Joe mentioned something about a tank in the way she got
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killed like she was like how I see a tank.
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He was like, don't see that and more you'll see Choppers and
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other vehicles. And let me tell you, it was so
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depressing watching them, go through the countryside and
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seeing the abandoned roller coaster and seeing all of the
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military vehicles just out. In the field just kind of
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willy-nilly with other cars. I was like, yeah, there was a
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fight there or something there, but just watching that scene, be
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signed for loves the gas station.
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And the Arby's, Arby's must be sponsoring the show because
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they've mentioned them twice. This twice, two references to
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our two episodes in a row, but you know, I'm sitting here
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looking at the sound like, oh, that's like when I take my road
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trips to New York away. Whatever.
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It's just I don't know seeing it kind of wasted in that way was
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sad and I was like you can see Ellie is This is something that
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she, you know, she's never been out in the world.
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So these are things that she's saying for the first time and
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then the way that she's experiencing them, it's like
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nothing. Like they used to be the Stars,
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the fact that she could see the star so clearly, because there
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was no pollution in the air, I was like, okay, I would like to
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experience that but not at the cost of the whole world turning
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into clickers and infected know that that will not be good.
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But their road trip. So, of course they are, they
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pull over into the woods in the middle of the trip, so that Joe
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can get some rest. Because, of course, he's the
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only one driving and it was just interesting because again, you
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get to see her be a little bit like a kid.
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And you also see like a little bit of her.
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I guess and Joe both kind of let their guards down with each
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other. You know, she's again she's
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telling the joke like she started out.
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She was like, Joe can I ask you a serious question?
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He's like, yeah. Now this is a change already
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because remember, right before Tess died, he was like, look,
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you don't need to ask me any questions in that after she
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died. He was like we don't need to
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know each other's histories, you do you I'ma Do Me.
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So the fact that he even let her ask a question, I was like,
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Okay, he's starting to lower down the wall and then she tells
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another damn bad joke. I was like, hmm, but he's gonna
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not like her, but when he turns over, you see, a smidgen of a
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smile on his face, I was like, okay, she's starting to break
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him down. She's starting to make him.
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Remember what? It was like to have a child at
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that age because remember Sarah was what 15 when she died.
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So, you know, listening to her kind of Talk about how safe they
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are. You know, are we, are we going
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to be okay, nobody's going to come here, right?
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And at first she was like, No, in fact that he was like, no the
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effect is it? We're too far out, but that's
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not who we need to worry about. She was like, people.
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He was like, yeah, she said what they want to what did she say?
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I think she said what they want to kill us.
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And he was like they want to do worse and again for her not to
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be raised in the regular world when he said that, she knew
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exactly what he meant because she was just Like, oh, and she
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got a little serious and little quiet after that, but I don't
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know. I'm starting to like, well, I
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wanted to say, I'm starting to, like, I, like the way that they
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have been taking their time building this relationship
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between them to because I think if they would have felt if they
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would have forced it or made it move a little bit faster.
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Well, I think that would have for me, felt disrespectful to
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the relationship that he had with his daughter, but to after
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20 years, I don't think he would be that open to welcoming in
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another youngster that quickly. And it was just, I don't think
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it would have felt genuine to me.
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So I kind of like the way that this is taking its time to build
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the trust between these two characters.
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And so, you know, kind of find a bridge for them to become what
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I'm going to assume is a great Duo.
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Again, I do not play the game so I don't know exactly how their
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relationship is in the game like whether or not they do become as
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close as father and daughter or you know if it still remains
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kind of an arm's length thing. But Yeah, he starts giving her a
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little bit of information. You know, she asked him about
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Tommy, he starts telling her yes.
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So this is what happened. We get a little bit of
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background on, Tommy story being that, you know, when he was
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younger in high school, he decided to go off and join the,
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you know, military because he wanted to be one of those
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Heroes. He wanted to be a person that's
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saving the world and he said for a first, he said, he was just
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winner. Yes, he's a joiner.
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Yes. Joiner. so I guess that little,
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we see how Marlene got them because He's one of those people
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that's like, okay look I got to make a difference.
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I got to go save the world, I got to do something, I got to be
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a hero, you know. And Apparently something changed
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and I think Joe said he left Tommy left, and now he's got to
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go find him, he's got to go bail his little brother out.
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I was like, okay, so this has been their thing.
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And of course, we already know that they're kind of strange
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right now. So I don't even know like I
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know, Tommy went to join the fireflies and I know that
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probably pissed jollof, but for them to not be speaking, which
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is kind of what the gist of. You know, the clues that he's
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given is like, they're estranged.
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I'm like what? What happened?
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That's my mama, in my mind. I feel like Tommy probably
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wanted to go save some people or say whatever they were trying to
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say and Joe's like nope. Nope, nope.
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Nope. Because every time it's time to
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help somebody. What does he say?
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No, we're good reason though. A true true, but that's probably
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would be the thing that likes. But them apart, if Tom is always
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trying to be a hero, he joins different groups and trying to
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save the world and your brother is like hail naw.
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Hmm, yeah, yeah I want to say something before we go on I just
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think that Elias just like just breaking down his defenses.
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He's he has that wall up and her jokes.
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Keep chiseling down that wall. Her just being so good.
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Dad jokes, do they break tension?
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They ease the ease your mind. And they open you up to new
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things and to being a better person.
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I would actually that far. No, I completely accurate.
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Thank you very much. Okay, Lori break the tie break,
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the tie on to that jokes. I think that dad jokes are
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completely appropriate and they need more of them in this world.
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See, sorry, you're wrong. That's just the end of it.
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Sorry, I guess what else you need me on this one ravioli?
00:24:01
We have a pretty old kid in my cupboard to bake it.
00:24:05
I'm just saying like those types of things, whenever you see food
00:24:09
pantries, they always bring that kind of stuff.
00:24:12
So yes, I feel like Chef Boyardee would be good and if
00:24:15
you cook them over a fire in the forest, they might be like a
00:24:19
gourmet meal. I would say Ellie was inhaling
00:24:22
that stuff too. Like she was eating the Olive
00:24:24
Garden. She was just like, aw, yeah.
00:24:27
Was he even piece of steak. You can pick someone.
00:24:30
I could think of, I can't think of a better Italian restaurant
00:24:32
welcome. But look, I can't talk because
00:24:35
right now, as we speak, I've got a story is Anya in the oven
00:24:39
right now, okay? So let you know, Stover's is
00:24:41
that joint though. Exactly.
00:24:43
Dover's is outstanding, exactly. No, my thing is, is that, you
00:24:49
know, given the situation and given what's happening with
00:24:51
everything, you know, the jokes and the, you know, the the
00:24:55
lasagna and all that stuff. It's very refreshing.
00:24:58
Because, usually when we have These type of stories, it's very
00:25:02
strumming drum, it's very, you know, depressing or we're going
00:25:05
to die. You know, I pull out my example
00:25:07
of the 100. The hundred was an excellent
00:25:10
show, but it was so depressing. Nobody had time for jokes,
00:25:14
nobody had time for fun. If anyone even thought that they
00:25:18
were going to smile the rest of the group got on their ass.
00:25:22
So seeing this is refreshing and I love it.
00:25:25
Yeah. And like I said, you can never
00:25:26
go wrong with a dad joke. Okay.
00:25:29
You just remembered it. Theme from The 100 didn't you?
00:25:34
I just remembered a lot of things from the 100.
00:25:36
Like she's not really wrong but I mean, if you hate me for the
00:25:41
basis of your life was living on an arc in space and you got sent
00:25:47
to, you got sent to Earth a possibly irradiated Earth as
00:25:52
punishment. I wouldn't have reason to smile
00:25:54
either, but that's a whole other story.
00:25:56
We are not going to get a sister 100.
00:25:58
This is true Anthony. Was I the only person who looked
00:26:02
at them approaching this bridge and I was like, oh, here we go.
00:26:05
Stand. Yeah.
00:26:07
No. Through the bridge and there's
00:26:09
gonna be in fact, I like I had, I had a little bit of the stand
00:26:13
and a little bit of The Walking Dead when Glenn was trying to
00:26:16
reunite with Maggie. I was like, they're going to
00:26:18
have to go through this tunnel and they're going to find
00:26:20
infected. Luckily joke was like,
00:26:23
absolutely no, fuck not, we're gonna drive around and we'll
00:26:27
just have to. I mean they How many people
00:26:31
there to siphon more gas from more broken down gas from?
00:26:34
But yeah, Yeah, when you looked into the truck and saw that it
00:26:38
was clear. I think he realized.
00:26:40
Yeah, someone did this. We're not going to go through
00:26:44
the air. We might even try this.
00:26:47
We just go around. Yeah, because I, yes soon as I
00:26:51
saw it, I was like, oh, hell. I was like, I was actually
00:26:57
expecting to see someone like someone walking as a trap.
00:27:02
Like oh, help me. I'm all alone.
00:27:05
I was expecting that at the Bridge but instead they do drive
00:27:09
around and they are going through what looks like the
00:27:12
downtown area. And you know, there's an
00:27:15
Alleyway where you see a lot of bodies that have been burned and
00:27:21
the smoke is there still smoke? So this was recent, I was like,
00:27:25
okay, so they've done this recently but then they pull up
00:27:30
to the checkpoint for there in Kansas City.
00:27:34
That's that's how far they've made it.
00:27:36
They Pull up to the checkpoint for the Kansas City quarantine
00:27:40
Zone and it's not there. The gates are gone, the doors
00:27:46
are gone. This place is clearly been
00:27:49
overrun or overtaken and it's at this moment here comes the
00:27:56
person in the street. Oh help me help me.
00:28:01
I was like huh and Joe absolutely not right, hit him.
00:28:06
Looking at and you know, like Alias like are we going to help
00:28:12
him do like no I was like that's something that I have to get
00:28:17
used to because so many in so many shows.
00:28:20
So many movies you always do have the person who like they
00:28:25
might think about it or they say okay you know what I don't want
00:28:28
to lose my humanity and blah blah blah they might help Joel
00:28:31
is like fuck that shit no this like Alicia's Mother In Fear The
00:28:38
Walking Dead. She's like, oh yeah, we go.
00:28:41
Help my you like no, no no we're no.
00:28:46
No. Well, they can't be bad, you
00:28:48
know, we had to help him about. No, you don't have to help
00:28:50
everyone out. Yeah you there and Joe I mean
00:28:56
from job Tom is trying to pull over you know there's a there's
00:29:00
a couple. They got a kid, we got a kid to.
00:29:02
We gotta keep is not playing with y'all.
00:29:06
Joe is not playing with y'all. He comes across as like a very
00:29:13
practical matter of fact kind of person.
00:29:18
If you didn't seem to trust other people even from the
00:29:23
beginning. Yeah.
00:29:26
Yeah. And so things like he's very to
00:29:30
himself and I don't know if that's if that's just something
00:29:35
that he's precautious about or if it's something that maybe is
00:29:39
a trauma response. Because I mean if you think
00:29:42
about it, we don't know anything about Sarah's mother.
00:29:45
We don't know where she is, where she was.
00:29:48
We don't know, you know, if she died how she died, you know, she
00:29:52
could have died from natural causes.
00:29:54
She could have died from illness or she.
00:29:56
Anna died from a violent event. We just know that she wasn't in
00:29:59
the picture at the time that all this went down so that could be
00:30:03
a response to that. Yeah.
00:30:04
Okay, so this is what helping people can get you you know,
00:30:08
that maybe they stopped to help someone it turned by, we don't
00:30:13
know. And I don't know if they explain
00:30:15
that in the game or not, but I haven't heard anything.
00:30:18
So it's just one of those things where I feel like his precaution
00:30:24
has only deepened in Twenty years since that first night,
00:30:28
because on that first night, you know, hey, we had, we had to
00:30:33
kind of run over some folks or run through some folks, to try
00:30:37
to get to safety. And it's a good thing we did,
00:30:40
because if you remember that scene in the town, when everyone
00:30:44
was coming out of the movie theater, Everything was moving
00:30:49
so fast, you would not have been able to tell who was infected
00:30:52
and who wasn't you just saw people fighting.
00:30:55
You saw people grabbing other people and like I said you don't
00:30:59
know if they're grabbing you know if they're grabbing their
00:31:01
friend to say come on let's go or if they're grabbing their
00:31:05
friend to infect them. It was there was too much going
00:31:08
on and these damn infected and these clickers.
00:31:13
They run. So you don't have time to think
00:31:17
you don't have. Have time to make
00:31:18
second-guesses. So I guess Joel is like okay you
00:31:21
know what, if they're not with me and mine, welcome, we got to
00:31:27
gummy survival of the fittest. You can't, you can't you can't
00:31:29
be out here doing no doing charity work, because you'll end
00:31:33
up getting up, getting eat up and up.
00:31:37
And we see his instincts are right, because when he drives
00:31:42
past the guy as the as he's driving, Ellie starts noticing,
00:31:46
hey, there's people on the roof. Not with guns.
00:31:50
And then you get the spikes in the road and they crash into an
00:31:53
old and they do it. They do a cinder block through
00:31:56
his windshield. I was like, damn, they people.
00:31:58
They ain't fucking around here, like, give me all your shit that
00:32:02
they didn't get away. But, you know, I think if this
00:32:04
point to, they didn't really know who Joe was, you know, cuz
00:32:08
we find out later on an episode, they're looking for someone.
00:32:11
And at this point, we don't know what that person looks like.
00:32:13
So it could be, it could be that they think that it's somebody.
00:32:17
Buddy with these people. We don't even know who these
00:32:19
people are at this point. So they could be the good good
00:32:23
guys. They could be got bad, guys.
00:32:24
We just, we just don't know. Yeah.
00:32:27
But one thing that bothers me about all of this is, like, you
00:32:32
didn't even. I know we were talking about not
00:32:35
helping people but you can even be like, hey, you know, who are
00:32:39
you, where do you doing what's going on?
00:32:41
You know, there was no attempt at communication, we just going
00:32:44
to take your shit. See what if you got?
00:32:46
Kill you and move on. You know, I don't know if this
00:32:50
is this seems pretty pretty, bleak way to have an existence,
00:32:56
you know, and it's Michelle's been watching fear, the fear the
00:33:00
walking day and, you know, people keep trying to build
00:33:03
communities. I'm trying to help people and
00:33:06
this is like the complete opposite.
00:33:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these from what we can tell,
00:33:12
I mean, so far from what we can tell from what we can tell like
00:33:15
people are bad. People are worse than the Faked
00:33:18
it. Yeah, but I mean, this is
00:33:19
something Joe has also been saying since the first episode.
00:33:23
So and this is something that that we know, I mean, you have
00:33:27
you have people like the battery guy in the first episode, he
00:33:31
supposed to be on Joel and Tessa side and what does he do?
00:33:35
He stills from them. He still is the one thing that
00:33:38
he knows they're looking for and tries to sell it off to Marlene,
00:33:43
you know? Yeah, it's just People are not.
00:33:51
In a regular World in a world like ours, where we have access
00:33:56
to resources, where there are other people where there are
00:33:59
rules in place that supposed to separate the bad from the good
00:34:04
in a world like this, a lot of people aren't their best.
00:34:08
You know what I'm saying? So you put them in a world
00:34:11
that's ruled by the deadliest pandemic known to man something
00:34:18
that there is no cure from. You put them in a situation
00:34:22
where, you know, like I said, the quarantine Zone has been
00:34:26
cleared out. We don't know why.
00:34:28
We don't know how but chances are that was people as well.
00:34:32
We already know the fireflies have been rebelling against the
00:34:37
bedroom, so it could be the fireflies.
00:34:41
It could be a whole different group.
00:34:43
I mean, even towards the end of the episode, I don't know if I
00:34:46
feel like these people are the fireflies.
00:34:50
I feel like their whole different contingent but you put
00:34:54
people in those kind of situations where they've been
00:34:57
controlled for so long Federal, you know, controlling where they
00:35:01
can go, where they can leave the qz.
00:35:04
How much they earn for their rations?
00:35:08
You put them in a situation like that and then put them out on
00:35:11
the street where there's even less resources.
00:35:15
Yeah. People are going to turn,
00:35:16
they're going to be like, oh, you know what?
00:35:18
I don't know what you I have but I know you have a nice shiny.
00:35:23
Well, taken care of truck. That means that you have means
00:35:27
somewhere, you have resources somewhere.
00:35:30
You didn't just pick this up off the street and say, oh let me,
00:35:33
you know, let me try to boost this and see if it'll go know
00:35:36
this thing has been well taken care of.
00:35:38
It runs, it's clean. So guess what?
00:35:42
You might have some things that we need in there.
00:35:44
So we're just going to take you. They don't care if it's a man in
00:35:48
a child in there. They really don't.
00:35:50
Aunt. You know, they just, they're
00:35:53
just looking to, I don't know, take care of themselves.
00:35:57
And I mean, we see that in all kinds of stuff Lori mentioned,
00:36:00
the 100 you guys meant your fear, The Walking Dead, we talk
00:36:03
about The Walking Dead, all the time.
00:36:05
You see that in just about all of our villains, in those types
00:36:09
of stories, that's kind of how they started, they didn't have.
00:36:13
And they saw somebody that did and they were like, oh, okay,
00:36:17
it's time for me to take no negotiation.
00:36:20
No. Hey, can we?
00:36:21
Share, this. Can we work together?
00:36:23
No, it's I'm going to take from you first and then I figure it
00:36:26
out later. Which is a sad I mean, which is
00:36:30
a sad commentary on human nature.
00:36:32
But as I think, Mike said it in this episode and we have said it
00:36:36
and other, you know, review other shows times like this is
00:36:41
survival of the fittest. And sometimes that survival
00:36:45
means you have to be willing to do things that you may not have
00:36:49
done in a past life or you may not have done a few years ago in
00:36:55
order to protect yourself. That's what you do.
00:36:59
Well I won't survive. So, alright, yellow coming for
00:37:02
me, you don't, you don't survive at first because you have
00:37:07
Behemoth of the truck. I told you I'm coming out but I
00:37:09
would have had pancakes. I would have pancakes that day
00:37:11
so I'm done and a sub from Jersey.
00:37:14
I just would have been gone. And all I have is it.
00:37:21
I did not spend my childhood learning all those Girl Scout
00:37:25
badges just to die at the first zombie attack.
00:37:28
Okay, I got skills. It's all I'm saying.
00:37:31
You you got a husband, that's a prepper, you're going to be
00:37:33
fine. We ain't going to see you until
00:37:35
until like the last couple episodes of the pain whatever
00:37:38
happens. So it's like I'm worried about
00:37:40
you on the what floor of an apartment building Lori second.
00:37:44
Yeah, ain't nobody coming for you but I do want to help you.
00:37:50
I have a raft in my living room. Yes.
00:37:52
We've discussed this but we know we've had this discussion.
00:37:56
Yeah, yeah. It's coming for you because one
00:37:59
the power is going to be cut to the building.
00:38:01
You stay on one floor faggot. That's walking up the stairs
00:38:08
nobody but no, my no, I agree with you but see this, this
00:38:15
Trope is interesting because in previous years before we got The
00:38:22
Walking Dead we got we had a few you know here and there but the
00:38:26
whole post lipstick. Can you survive?
00:38:30
Can you not survive? Do what you have to do?
00:38:33
What, you know, moral ambiguity or not, it all boils down to
00:38:38
kind of what generation you are. What your mindset is and you
00:38:43
know, how willing are you to put aside everything that you were
00:38:48
raised and taught as a person to be DC.
00:38:51
You and me what I'm going to bring a throwback one of my
00:38:54
favorite series that they did back in the day when Show that
00:38:59
in a civilized setting. Remember the old series Rome
00:39:02
from back in the day? From the I think was HBO lovely
00:39:05
follows. Excellent.
00:39:06
I remember it briefly. Yeah, it was awesome.
00:39:10
What the way that they portrayed the slaves?
00:39:14
The the hierarchy of the Roman Senators, even even crazy as
00:39:19
Cleopatra because let's face it that that chick was crazy.
00:39:22
But the the way that they survived was awesome, but they
00:39:26
adapt it to Their surroundings and their circumstances,
00:39:31
whenever something would come up when when he found that the old
00:39:34
girl had a kid when he was away and that she said he was dead
00:39:38
and she passed the kid off as her grand, as her granddaughter
00:39:41
when he took over the tavern and his his buddy found out that the
00:39:48
girl had killed his wife. So she could be with him and
00:39:51
that he eventually got her thing and she defended the terror,
00:39:55
just the way they did it in a city setting.
00:39:58
Final lenses of a little bit to what we're seeing now in the
00:40:02
last of us, because we're not out in the sticks were not on an
00:40:06
arc ship, we're not going through a Stargate.
00:40:09
We're in our local areas, in our local towns and sort of like Old
00:40:14
Man, Logan an old man Hawkeye the comic books that we were
00:40:17
talking about a while ago and a couple different podcasts where
00:40:20
you have the post-apocalyptic, but it's still Hunger Games is
00:40:25
another example. It's still current and new
00:40:28
enough to adapt. So you adapt.
00:40:31
So, yeah. So that's the whole concept
00:40:34
behind all that, okay? Yeah.
00:40:39
But um so yeah. Anyway going back to the asshole
00:40:44
who just decided he was going to take Joel shit and Joe was like,
00:40:48
today is not that day and tomorrow is not looking good for
00:40:51
you either. You know, they get into a
00:40:55
shootout and Joel is able to get into the truck.
00:40:59
He's able to get his, his gun and he tells Ellie to go and
00:41:05
hide. There's like a hole in the wall
00:41:07
and he tells her to go in that hole.
00:41:09
He was like, whatever you do, whatever you hear you do not
00:41:11
come out of that hole until I come for you.
00:41:14
So she's in the whole she's scared.
00:41:17
He's out there having the shootout.
00:41:20
And he's holding his own. He shoots one of the guys.
00:41:24
And one of the other guys is like, oh, you asshole.
00:41:28
You act on like all my skills, my to did you miss the part
00:41:32
where y'all shooting at him? Like he was just minding his
00:41:36
business and y'all came after him.
00:41:38
What? Y'all was expecting him?
00:41:39
Not to shoot back this man. Got a this man got a good clean
00:41:43
truck and some resources. You think he didn't come
00:41:46
prepared. You think he didn't come with a
00:41:48
gun? Like seriously.
00:41:51
Yeah, he seemed surprised like, why are you surprised right own?
00:41:58
Humble, missed you up? Wait, you already trying to do
00:42:01
that? So you know, the second person
00:42:08
runs off, you know, and at this point, I'm thinking, okay, maybe
00:42:11
he's going to get help or maybe he got scared.
00:42:14
Maybe he ran out of bullets, something to that effect, but
00:42:17
know what he's doing. Is he sneaking into the back of
00:42:21
the building and Joel is actually about to go and grab
00:42:26
Elly out and this guy comes in, they get they get into a tussle
00:42:31
they get into a fight. This guy actually gets the upper
00:42:34
Hand on Joel and put some on the ground and it's choking him out
00:42:38
with the gun. Now, Joel is sitting there, he's
00:42:41
turning quite purple, and he's kicking his feet.
00:42:44
So, this guy had to have some strength on them, you know,
00:42:47
again, the guy didn't really look like much to me, but he's
00:42:52
probably, you know, if he's part of this group that took over the
00:42:55
qz, he's probably not eating rations.
00:42:58
He's probably got access to food.
00:43:00
He's probably been, you know, keeping up his strength.
00:43:03
Keeping up his staff. Aminah, if he's walking around
00:43:06
as one of the guards or one of, you know, one of the people
00:43:09
that's kind of helping to enforce whatever hierarchy they
00:43:13
have in the city right now. So you know, you got Joel who is
00:43:19
worried about Ellie, Joel, who has been sustaining himself on
00:43:23
rations, who has not had a lot of sleep because even the night
00:43:27
when they were in the forest, His plan was to go to sleep so
00:43:32
that he could drive all day and all night and what happened he
00:43:36
got up and he stood guard trying to make sure the Ellie was okay.
00:43:40
So you have him overpowering job and then you CLE inside and
00:43:47
she's getting scared and she looks at her bag.
00:43:50
I was like she bout to go shoot this dude.
00:43:54
He just don't know it, and she does, she comes out of the hole.
00:43:58
She lifts up her gun and she shoots, dude, in the back
00:44:02
apparently, wherever she shot him.
00:44:05
She probably severed his spine because he said he couldn't feel
00:44:08
his legs. And at this point he starts
00:44:11
pleaded. No, no, no, no, don't you mean,
00:44:13
no, it's okay. We can be friends.
00:44:16
I'm sorry, take me to my mama. Take me to my mom, take me to my
00:44:22
you just try. To shoot a grown ass man.
00:44:26
And now that you done got shot. Now, you want to be nice.
00:44:29
Now, you want to be friends now, you want to say you?
00:44:32
Sorry. Oh, please take me to my mom.
00:44:35
Oh, please, I'm telling you. He starts, son.
00:44:39
He stayed alive a lot longer than I would have thought him
00:44:42
too. And I know it's because Joe was
00:44:44
Joe was still sitting here trying to figure out how to
00:44:46
fuck. She get a gun.
00:44:47
Like, where did she get the gun from?
00:44:50
I know that's what he was thinking Sharif.
00:44:52
I'm sure you. Figured, you probably figured it
00:44:53
out after he took it too good to be done about it was Oh, she's
00:44:57
somehow she got it from Franklin bills.
00:45:00
He had to know that that because that's the only place that she
00:45:03
could have. Literally got no working gun
00:45:05
from. There's the only place that she
00:45:07
could have got one. I mean behaviors, we need to
00:45:09
choose from a ton. Yeah, I mean it's like and just
00:45:13
hit me his tune. I mean, shout out to that bullet
00:45:17
not being enough of a caliber to go through him, through his back
00:45:20
and into Joel like it. Just all it did was sever dude
00:45:24
spine and didn't go completely through.
00:45:26
His body's probably lobst laws in its proper spot.
00:45:30
Yeah. Because you can feels legs.
00:45:32
I was like that has to suck just like will barter I'll trade with
00:45:38
you here. Take my knife.
00:45:41
I mean, it's a good knife. You were a good Good enough.
00:45:47
Good enough to take that. Bullet out your spine.
00:45:48
I don't think so. You just made it might have been
00:45:50
with the right surgical hands but not today.
00:45:53
Soda. That's that's one of those
00:45:55
Crocodile Dundee knives. That's not necessarily a
00:45:58
surgical surgically surgically able knife, like hell to go to
00:46:03
help them. But yeah, I mean I kind of feel
00:46:05
formed it. I was like nah he was trying to
00:46:07
kill him and I Flush Cutters for him at all and that you know, is
00:46:11
so sad because I think about this all the time, especially
00:46:14
when we are watching Walking Dead or what.
00:46:16
Like you know these shows will have you questioning your
00:46:19
Humanity because you line ah, that do had to die.
00:46:23
No doubt about it. No hesitation, nothing kill his
00:46:26
ass. And I'm like, you know what?
00:46:28
That sounds so cold. But you know, you're looking at
00:46:33
it from that perspective when I watch these shows, I'm not
00:46:36
looking at it as me existing in real world. 2023 with those
00:46:42
rules, those morals, those standards.
00:46:45
No, you I have to adapt to the world around you and sometimes
00:46:48
that does mean, Being cruel. You know, or maybe I won't even
00:46:54
say being cruel because in this instance, I don't think Joe was
00:46:58
cruel. I don't think Ellie was cool.
00:47:00
These people came after them first.
00:47:03
They were the defending themselves because if you think
00:47:06
about it, you don't know what kind of situation these guys are
00:47:10
early as a young woman. You know what I'm saying?
00:47:14
Yes, she's a kid, but I mean, we already know from from the last
00:47:19
episode. She is a young woman.
00:47:21
She has her menstrual period because she got to shoot down,
00:47:25
tampons and was excited about that, and last step.
00:47:27
So these guys could have been the type of guys to be like, oh,
00:47:31
you're traveling with a little girl.
00:47:33
Oh, okay. Because you see all the times in
00:47:36
in this type of world, you have the cruel guys who will kill the
00:47:40
man and, you know, violate the young woman or don't violate her
00:47:45
while he's still alive and make him watching.
00:47:47
Didn't kill him anyway. So you know in these types of
00:47:52
instances yeah you totally deserve to die and I have to say
00:47:59
you totally deserved a slow death.
00:48:01
So the fact that you got paralyzed first and you had to
00:48:03
sit there and plead and beg for your life.
00:48:06
Yeah you deserve that whole humiliation, you deserve that
00:48:10
whole slow death. and I think it would have been even I don't
00:48:18
want to say poetic justice but Ellie finished him off.
00:48:22
I would have been like okay. Now I'm kind of glad she didn't
00:48:27
have to because up until this the conversation they have a few
00:48:32
minutes later. I was thinking like I said, it's
00:48:36
obvious. She is handled a gun before.
00:48:39
I did not think that she had ever killed anyone until she
00:48:43
said it later on like when he's trying to comfort her trying to
00:48:47
tell her look you had to do it. I'm so sorry that you had to do.
00:48:51
It is my father she was just like it wasn't my first time.
00:48:58
What did you do what happened? I don't want to talk about it.
00:49:00
I was like, oh, that's about. That's about to be a juicy
00:49:03
story. That's about to be a crazy
00:49:06
story, but then I kind of Wonder, like, did they say in
00:49:10
the episode where we were introduced to her?
00:49:12
Did they say that she was an orphan from the from jump?
00:49:15
Or did she actually have parents and then end up in the
00:49:18
orphanage? Do we know cause it was an
00:49:21
orphan? Yeah I don't think if that's
00:49:23
fast but I think she wasn't looking from the jump.
00:49:26
Okay. So like something that don't
00:49:28
tell thing I think in episode 2 the as like we're your parents
00:49:33
you said I'm an orphan. Yeah, but that's what I'm
00:49:36
saying. Like, do we know that hurt that
00:49:39
she was with parents up until a certain point?
00:49:41
And then they may have died and then that's when she went to the
00:49:44
federal school and you know, so I don't you don't know for all
00:49:48
we know she's lying. I don't know if I get that,
00:49:52
she's lying but I feel like maybe her parents deaths had
00:49:58
something has something to do with why she has killed before,
00:50:03
you know, whether or not they were infected.
00:50:05
Or, you know, well now on it was episode, you know, it was
00:50:11
episode 1. What's her name?
00:50:14
Is it Marlene? I mean, like, she's dead,
00:50:21
something happened, and she sent her to Federal.
00:50:25
Okay, that's what I was trying to remember if that was the
00:50:28
conversation I heard where she had she was responsible for her
00:50:32
so she sent her to finish because she knows that she'll be
00:50:35
taking, okay, I couldn't remember if that was this show
00:50:38
or something else that I was watching, sounds like they had
00:50:41
that conversation but I wasn't sure.
00:50:44
So, okay, but I mean, they don't mean anything, she could have,
00:50:49
she could have had to do something with, you know,
00:50:52
somebody in fedra. In there.
00:50:54
I mean, she got bit somehow, maybe some.
00:50:56
Oh, you know what? Now that I think about it when
00:51:00
test asked her about the circumstances of how she got
00:51:04
bit. And she was telling her, We
00:51:05
snuck into the old Mall until say you did that by yourself.
00:51:09
She had a look on her face before.
00:51:12
She said yes, I don't think she was by herself.
00:51:16
So maybe that was the situation where she had to kill someone.
00:51:22
You know she got bit, maybe the other person who was with her
00:51:24
got bit but they turned and she didn't or maybe the other person
00:51:29
got bit first turned and they were the one that attacked her
00:51:34
and that's why she had to kill. Okay, that's my head Canon,
00:51:37
until we find out. Otherwise that's my head Canon.
00:51:41
And in episode, once she did mention a friend, she asked for
00:51:44
a friend was now, did she? Uh-huh.
00:51:47
I think she did. She mentioned, her friends are
00:51:50
the one that that said something about the Mortal Kombat game
00:51:54
which was. Yeah.
00:51:55
Probably. I think so.
00:51:56
Yeah, probably. But anyway, we're going to step
00:52:02
away from Ellie and Joel for a moment and we're going to go to
00:52:08
this group of people who, you know, they've encountered or
00:52:12
they may have encountered. So there's a group there that's
00:52:17
being led by a woman named Kathleen and you know, up until
00:52:20
this episode, I never knew Melanie Minsky's name.
00:52:24
I was just I just always know her face.
00:52:26
I see her in everything and I never knew her name.
00:52:30
I was like, what's her name is bothering me like anyway, she's
00:52:34
amazing in everything she's ever in.
00:52:37
So when I saw her this, I was like, yeah.
00:52:39
We and then I saw the type of person she was playing, I was
00:52:41
like, oh, like oh you're gonna be one of these people?
00:52:46
I don't like because she's obviously opposite looks like
00:52:52
For me, looking at her. It seems like she she seems like
00:52:55
the person that was kind of thrust into her leadership
00:52:58
position, like she kind of seems like a school teacher that or
00:53:02
something like that, where something happened and she was
00:53:06
kind of thrust into a position of leadership and she kind of
00:53:10
had to learn to be The person that she is now on the Fly just
00:53:15
to learn like, you know, something happened to someone
00:53:18
she loved. And it's like, it kind of drove
00:53:21
her to like, she probably ends up leading.
00:53:24
Could they seems like, dude, this is a group of
00:53:26
revolutionaries that over through finra and that they're
00:53:30
taking day to go over everything.
00:53:31
So maybe she's something happened with her and she
00:53:34
rallied everybody together to overthrow him because she had
00:53:37
the guy that she had a prisoner with had to be.
00:53:40
He was like a finra doctor. Maybe.
00:53:43
So he delivered her her brother, right?
00:53:47
Well, she's known this man for a very long time.
00:53:51
And apparently, what what has happened is somebody who was
00:53:56
working with them or who was in their ranks.
00:53:59
Looks like he defected and she's trying to get information out of
00:54:03
the doctor on when this person is.
00:54:05
And I don't think it was just him because she read off a list
00:54:09
of names. And it just happened to be that
00:54:11
when she read off, this one person's name Henry.
00:54:14
I guess the doctor had a little tail.
00:54:17
I think I missed it because I was like You know, how does she
00:54:20
know because she said oh you may not know a lot but you do know
00:54:24
where Henry is or you've heard from him and the doctor was
00:54:28
looking at her like how the hell did you know that?
00:54:30
And I'm looking at her, like, how the hell did you know that?
00:54:33
Like what was the tail? I missed it, did anybody else
00:54:36
miss it? Or did anybody else see it?
00:54:38
Because I could tell, I was like, okay, well, she's good at
00:54:42
reading people but, you know, she pulls out a gun like she's
00:54:45
about to shoot him. She was like, you, I like you
00:54:47
think I'm not going to do and he just looks at Shakes her head
00:54:50
like, no. I really think you won't is at
00:54:54
that moment and alarm sounds, she goes outside and here are
00:54:59
the people, the two guys that job killed on the ground.
00:55:03
Now she sees this and she automatically thinks that it's
00:55:09
the work of the person who she's looking for.
00:55:11
So, at this point, nobody else knows that Joel and Ellie are in
00:55:15
town right now. so she uses that as fuel for her fire, Her Little
00:55:24
Resistance speech, blah blah blah, go find them.
00:55:27
And when you find them and anybody who's helping them, kill
00:55:30
them, I was like, oh so this is the part where we see that the
00:55:34
supposedly good guys are just as bad as the bad guys, because
00:55:39
isn't that how it happens? You know.
00:55:43
And again, we don't really know her story.
00:55:45
We do know something about the fact that her brother has died,
00:55:48
she kind of feels like the doctor is responsible, and she
00:55:51
feels like other people. I I suppose so yeah, I kind of
00:55:56
get what you're saying, Mike about her being through Us in
00:55:58
this position but she doesn't look like she's fighting it at
00:56:01
all. Like she looks very comfortable
00:56:03
there and the people rallied to her, they listen to her and then
00:56:08
after she says that, you know go find them and kill them.
00:56:12
She walks back in the room. She tells her people to open the
00:56:15
door to the doctor cell, and she stands outside and she shoots
00:56:19
him. And I did notice that about her
00:56:21
that she shot him from afar. Far.
00:56:23
She couldn't, she wouldn't let herself go back in and get close
00:56:27
to him and shoot him. I think because she wouldn't
00:56:30
have been able to you know, this is somebody I don't think she'll
00:56:34
think she will do this. You want to be that close to
00:56:36
him. She was just like as soon as
00:56:38
soon as it became obvious that there's someone out there
00:56:41
killing her people and he probably she Pros.
00:56:43
Like he knows even though he had no idea like it would that it
00:56:47
was Joel and Ellie. He was she was like I was them
00:56:50
to his assume she's like, you know, I fuck this dude.
00:56:53
Open the door. Boom in the problem.
00:56:55
All right. Yeah.
00:56:55
But no I'm saying I think she did it from afar because like
00:56:58
when you see her with him he's playing.
00:57:02
All of these emotions and this this shared relationship in this
00:57:06
shared past that they have and you could see like she really I
00:57:11
don't think she would have shot him prior to that.
00:57:14
And I think if she had gone back in and said, hey, so they killed
00:57:19
two of our people. You need to tell us where they
00:57:21
are. I think there was still a chance
00:57:23
that he still could have talked her down and that's why she
00:57:25
didn't go in. And she was like, nope, I'm not
00:57:27
giving him a chance. Let me go ahead and do this
00:57:28
right now while I'm pissed and I have the nerve, boom.
00:57:33
You know, but I could see that. Yeah, I don't know.
00:57:37
She's too emotional for me like that.
00:57:41
They didn't seem like a rational decision.
00:57:43
No, I mean, because she he's a doctor like, help people.
00:57:51
Yeah, there was an irrational. It seems like everything you
00:57:54
see, she's probably. I was thinking about where Yeah,
00:58:00
everything she's doing is impulsive.
00:58:01
I bet she'd led the revolt against Federer was probably
00:58:06
impulsion as well. She's just yeah, she's like,
00:58:10
she's gonna be a problem. Yeah.
00:58:12
So not only she is going to be a problem, but as they're looking
00:58:19
for this guy, Henry, and apparently he has a, he either
00:58:23
has a son or he has a young boy with him Named Sam.
00:58:26
You know, we see an ad Like where they have apparently been
00:58:30
staying and now it's been found out.
00:58:33
You see the empty cans, you see drawings that that the child has
00:58:37
created of them being superheroes and then her right
00:58:43
hand guy which I can't remember what his name is in the show but
00:58:49
he takes her downstairs to the basement.
00:58:51
He was like, yeah, I got to show you something else, so they walk
00:58:53
into this room. And there is broken Concrete in
00:58:59
a huge circle. Almost, it almost looks like a
00:59:02
giant took a sledgehammer and broke the concrete open and
00:59:08
she's just looking at, she's like, oh shit.
00:59:10
Um, and he's like, what are we supposed to do?
00:59:13
And as they're saying that, you see the whole start to breathe,
00:59:17
like, something is trying to come, and he'll know.
00:59:26
Kill it with fire right now, not now, but right now making noise.
00:59:33
Y'all are making noise. Y'all are just outside the door.
00:59:36
Like y'all have closed, the door and y'all are having a whole
00:59:39
conversation. They're like that.
00:59:41
Like that little bitty door is going to be enough to hold them
00:59:43
back and he's telling them. So when should we tell everyone?
00:59:46
She was like, not yet. Let's just handle, will we?
00:59:49
Let's just handle what we can handle.
00:59:51
We'll deal with this. After she said, listen to her
00:59:54
right here man, though. Like He looks like he's no he
00:59:57
knows what he's doing and he's telling her, we need to deal
00:59:59
with this. She like now.
01:00:01
Yeah, I know side note. That guy is the actual voice
01:00:06
actor who voices Joel in the video game.
01:00:11
Oh voices Joe. No.
01:00:13
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy? Yes, you're right.
01:00:17
He voices. Okay.
01:00:19
Yeah. So yeah.
01:00:23
So he might know some things are too but yeah.
01:00:27
I was like it was like do you think how big that hole is like?
01:00:32
I don't know who's up under there.
01:00:35
I don't know what's up. Like like like Michelle's
01:00:37
screen, name says what's underground handle that first
01:00:40
sound of that. Shit first because if you don't,
01:00:45
then you're going to have a people problem and an infected
01:00:48
problem or a clicker problem. You can't handle both of those
01:00:52
problems at the same time or if you can't handle those three
01:00:56
problems because you have to think about it.
01:00:58
Infected and clickers are two different breeds of the same
01:01:01
problem. Yeah.
01:01:04
In like, what is this? All this effort energy.
01:01:07
You put it in the find a kid and another person bad Like what
01:01:14
what how big is the three are they?
01:01:16
Yeah, right because they were informants or it turns somebody
01:01:21
in, but you guys are freaking problem and the graphics need to
01:01:26
take care of the children. Oh yeah, we'll just deal with
01:01:29
this later. We gotta find Henry and Sam why
01:01:33
like really Do you not know what's going on in the world
01:01:37
oils? The problem is going to deal
01:01:39
with you David whatever? I was like.
01:01:46
Oh okay, so she's going to be and I feel like that's what
01:01:50
emotions again. That's that's her emotions
01:01:53
again. They're Paving her actions.
01:01:56
Yeah, and that's you. I've got to say something how it
01:02:00
goes going to jump. All over me, but I let it go.
01:02:02
No. Say it, say it.
01:02:04
Say, it was. Nothing about about women
01:02:08
leaders and all that stuff. I'm not getting into that Kurt.
01:02:11
Yeah, it's not accurate but she she's being emotional.
01:02:35
It is CD, but, you know, because we, hey, we saw Rick makes an
01:02:39
emotional decision as well and walking dead.
01:02:42
So it's all good. Yeah, exactly.
01:02:45
We'll need to go to you. Thank you, but yeah, I'm just
01:02:49
doing this thing. I'm just, I'm just doing it for
01:02:51
entertainment purposes. She is passionate about her
01:02:55
goals and now I have to say I'm saying go ahead thinking clearly
01:03:02
she's not thinking clearly, and I think Think it's it's kind of
01:03:07
like one of those things where you have a person and I'm going
01:03:11
to compare her right now to the Governor from The Walking Dead.
01:03:14
So you have this group of people that you are leading that you
01:03:19
are trying to, you know, keep safe that you are trying to make
01:03:23
sure that they have everything that they need and you start
01:03:27
making decisions that may not necessarily be the best for
01:03:31
them. And I feel like in the back, The
01:03:35
mind they're always thinking okay but what if I'm, what if I
01:03:39
fail, what if I fail? Because in her instance, if you
01:03:45
are the one who helped bring down the walls of the qz, you
01:03:49
not have people out in the open where the infected could be
01:03:53
where clickers could be. And now you have a physical
01:03:57
representation of How deep the shit is that you were standing
01:04:02
in. You have this big hole you have
01:04:05
Nothing moving up under the ground.
01:04:06
Now, granted we don't. What's up under there?
01:04:09
That could have been people, we don't know.
01:04:13
But chances are, those are some Infected I didn't hear any
01:04:18
clicking. So I'm going to I'm going to go
01:04:20
with infected for right now. If you don't handle your shit.
01:04:26
Now you're going to have a problem that's going to affect
01:04:30
all of the people that you are trying to say.
01:04:33
And then you're going to have a even bigger problem when they
01:04:37
realize, oh she can't keep us safe.
01:04:40
She brought us out of where we were safe.
01:04:43
We should have stayed in there. It's her fault.
01:04:46
Especially if both start dying. an especially if people start
01:04:51
dying because you didn't warn people that some shit was about
01:04:56
to pop off, Yeah, she's going to have some problems and she needs
01:05:02
to start prioritizing because I don't think she's prioritizing
01:05:06
in quite the right way, right now.
01:05:10
At all. Yeah, she's out there.
01:05:12
She's gonna last that long. I think that that her,ignore
01:05:16
her, ignore any, the bubbling bubbling brown sugar attorney
01:05:19
that building is going to come back and bite her in the ass.
01:05:22
I think I just think that that's good.
01:05:26
That's something that's something that's going to be.
01:05:29
That's them is definitely gonna come back and bite her CFCs.
01:05:34
She's only gonna be probably yeah, she's the one episode
01:05:39
villain. We're just going to make it when
01:05:42
I already learned from the first two episodes not to get too
01:05:45
comfortable with any first three episodes.
01:05:47
I've learned not to get too comfortable with anybody in this
01:05:50
show so I'm like, is she really that next episode?
01:05:52
And I knew brother. No figured out her name.
01:05:55
Like whatever like you did person number four.
01:05:58
Yes got you. You just next?
01:06:01
Yeah. But they're going to make us not
01:06:03
like her first and then, then we're going to get A dead and
01:06:07
will be, I don't know, maybe they'll change it next episode
01:06:13
but I don't know. Even just looking at the
01:06:15
previews for the next episodes like is some shit about to go
01:06:18
down. So that was her.
01:06:20
Her son was the one that led shot in the spine, right?
01:06:24
I don't think we know. Oh shit, I don't think it was
01:06:27
her son. We saw his drizzle me.
01:06:33
I'm making that inference. Just because it's like I will
01:06:36
see any other women and it seems like everything I think that the
01:06:43
yeah, but she also wasn't she went to broken up over the fake.
01:06:48
There was Brian she went to broken up over the bride being
01:06:51
taken at all. Yeah, I don't actually wasn't
01:06:56
concerned about finding his killer.
01:06:58
She still trying to look for For Sam and hearing what she thinks
01:07:02
that they had something to do with it.
01:07:04
That's why she can't read some of the people that was with him
01:07:07
had something to do with that. But I mean, yeah, by the way,
01:07:11
she was in broken up at all. She didn't blink, she didn't
01:07:16
bad, and I didn't side. She's like, yeah.
01:07:20
I think Brian was pleading for his life and I think he was
01:07:25
invoking mom, so he could get, he can survive.
01:07:28
No trying to humanize himself. Of refurb possible, Slayer?
01:07:33
Yeah, shouts out to Brian for annoying knowing how was it
01:07:37
seeing him? What are they, where they called
01:07:40
the people, the interrogators, the people that come on, see
01:07:45
what kidnappings or like hostage situations and negotiators
01:07:49
because they haven't having to go, she ate her tactics.
01:07:51
Like, actually, having people see, see you as a person and not
01:07:54
just something something to kill or to take hostages like, I'm
01:07:58
sorry, my name's Brian. I'm Brian.
01:08:00
I'm a person. I think he'll see my mother.
01:08:03
I have a mother. I have hobbies.
01:08:05
I like to read. He only did that because I'm a
01:08:09
Libra. He saw Ellie and probably made
01:08:13
the assumption that Ellie was Joel's daughter.
01:08:16
And so that's what definitely that's what he was playing on.
01:08:20
You know it was like okay yeah I got a mama to you.
01:08:24
We don't give a fuck about your mom and we don't give a fuck
01:08:27
about you by stay alive. But so, while Kathleen is
01:08:39
sending people out to look for Henry and the people, he
01:08:43
escaped, Joel, and Ellie are hiding and, you know, trying to
01:08:51
find a way to get to. There's this tall building she
01:08:54
sees in the distance and he's like, okay, well when the
01:08:57
streets clear, we're going to make a run for it.
01:08:59
We're going to try to go to that bill and go to the highest
01:09:01
point, kind of get, you know, get to it. point we can look
01:09:04
around see what's going on that sort of thing and Again, you get
01:09:12
a little comedy from them because when they finally do get
01:09:16
to the building, they realize they have to walk and there's a
01:09:20
thing. When she's like are you going to
01:09:22
be able to do this either? How far are we going?
01:09:24
Are we going all the way to the top?
01:09:25
Nope, just as long as my legs can take me.
01:09:29
And there's a trouble that. Yeah, there's that reference
01:09:32
again about the age difference. Because in this show in this
01:09:38
point 2023 Joel is 56 years old Old.
01:09:41
So, I already know if me at 47 and my knees can't handle it.
01:09:46
There's do what 33 stories. The thing about this has he even
01:09:54
have a van that I don't think he's been asleep because he
01:10:00
drove he drove and be when they were camping.
01:10:02
He's probably up all night when he drove and he drove he and
01:10:07
then he got into a firefight and then and the Firefly he almost
01:10:10
got choked out. They can see it's okay.
01:10:15
But, you know, I've been through a lot.
01:10:19
Yeah. Last couple of days.
01:10:21
He's been, you know, right. I was just struggling at this
01:10:25
point. Yeah.
01:10:26
But I mean, he sat down and he was like, no, come on.
01:10:29
He was like, give me a minute. She was like, get your lazy ass
01:10:32
up. He's like, okay, this kid just
01:10:33
called me lazy. Let me get up.
01:10:35
So they make it, you know, I guess a few more floors and they
01:10:40
decide. Okay, this is where we're going
01:10:41
to sleep for the night because your, you would think Okay.
01:10:47
It's the one building that nobody would probably come to.
01:10:52
I mean, he does what he's supposed to do.
01:10:54
He sets out a little trap, he breaks out some glass.
01:10:57
He puts it on the floor so that he can hear it.
01:11:00
And that's when Ellie makes this one observation.
01:11:04
Again, I tell you that, that is an old soul in the young body
01:11:08
because she notices way more than she should at her age.
01:11:11
You know, when he's doing the when he's putting laying out the
01:11:15
glass and stuff and she Like what are you doing?
01:11:18
He said trying to make sure nobody comes in here.
01:11:20
She was like, oh, crunch crunch crunch.
01:11:22
She's like, no, I was just asking because are you even
01:11:26
going to be able to hear it? Because I noticed that you can't
01:11:28
hear well on your right side and he just kind of looks at her
01:11:32
like he or she realized that not looking at her.
01:11:35
Like, how the hell you realize that just?
01:11:38
Okay. I guess she's observing.
01:11:41
I mean, I don't know. Maybe they teach that stuff in
01:11:43
federal school and maybe that I don't know, I just feel like
01:11:46
they're Maybe a little bit more to Ellie than we've seen so far,
01:11:51
because this girl is way too knowledgeable for someone who's
01:11:55
grown up sheltered in the qz. Well you know sitting with him
01:12:00
in the car on the right side she probably said had to repeat
01:12:04
herself. A few times to him in the car.
01:12:07
So she may have noticed have been if he didn't hear Brian
01:12:12
sneaking up on them. Came upon his right side.
01:12:15
No Brian. Came up on left.
01:12:17
Do this right. You decompose laughs?
01:12:19
Oh, okay. But she probably knows.
01:12:22
Yeah, because being the person who's deaf in his left ear.
01:12:26
Yeah, it's easy. When People talking to you over
01:12:29
here, you, can you say that again, you know, you always try
01:12:32
to make sure you're walking on the inside of the person.
01:12:34
She probably noticed. Right?
01:12:37
Right so and inside out to Jewel for having watch Mission
01:12:42
Impossible like the rest of us. Exactly.
01:12:47
Yeah, the fan. Oh goodness.
01:12:50
But it didn't, but it didn't help many.
01:12:53
We're also being the person who sleeps whoo-hoo, sometimes
01:12:57
sleeps on his right side. So you don't have to hear
01:12:59
nothing. Yeah.
01:13:00
You know, if you different, when you're hard of hearing, when
01:13:03
here you sleep in the other, you know, you're nothing.
01:13:06
What number he was sleeping on his right ear, so he should have
01:13:10
heard, but I think I feel like, because that was like, they were
01:13:14
already in the room. I feel like, well, they might
01:13:17
have been somewhere in the building, but I feel like,
01:13:19
because he hadn't slept in days, he probably.
01:13:22
Probably slept deeper than that. Yeah, he was knocked out, you
01:13:28
know, and it's kind of like one of those things where he was, he
01:13:31
was just exhausted. I mean, think about the way he
01:13:34
laughed at Ellie's, lame little joke.
01:13:36
Now, I'm not gonna lie. That one had me laughing.
01:13:39
I mean, he was sitting there laughing so hard, he had tears
01:13:42
coming out. I did too because I was like,
01:13:44
they kind of needed that that little release, but I was like,
01:13:49
yes, I'm shit about to happen. They finna get caught and sure
01:13:53
Love, she calls for, but, I mean, we'll see.
01:13:57
I don't think do we really get a good look at the layout of the,
01:14:01
of the room there in the sweet that they were in?
01:14:03
Because I think that they were there, had, they might have come
01:14:07
from the other side or come around, like, like, around the
01:14:11
glass. I know, I think they probably
01:14:13
came through the glass because I think what happened was he
01:14:17
started out going to sleep on on his right side, but when Ellie
01:14:22
was He's calling for him. He had turned over and was
01:14:25
facing her. So his deaf ear was up.
01:14:28
So he wouldn't have heard the glass.
01:14:30
He wouldn't have heard anything. So, because remember she had to
01:14:34
yell to get him to wake up. Yeah, you sleeping on his left,
01:14:38
he was sleeping on here. Yes late.
01:14:40
Yeah. Hey, he went to sleep at first
01:14:43
on his right ear, but then when we saw him, the next time he was
01:14:46
sleeping on his left ear, which means his right ear was the one
01:14:49
exposed So he wouldn't have heard anything.
01:14:53
I mean, like I said, she had to yell to get his attention and
01:14:56
then of course, she yelled to get his attention because she's
01:14:59
standing there. There's a man holding her at
01:15:02
gunpoint. And then when Joel turns around,
01:15:05
there's a young boy holding him at gunpoint.
01:15:08
He does the motion and then we could face black.
01:15:13
But I was like, okay. So I'm guessing this is Henry
01:15:15
and Sam. Now, Right?
01:15:18
So that's going to be interesting, but I will say
01:15:21
this, looking at the promos for next week, I don't think this is
01:15:25
going to be a hostile situation for too long because it looks
01:15:28
like they are working together. Maybe to keep each other safe,
01:15:33
maybe. Because they both have children
01:15:35
involved, they're like, okay, you know what, we don't really
01:15:38
need to be at each other odds with each other right now.
01:15:41
We need to be trying to help each other, to make sure these
01:15:43
kids are safe. That's what I'm thinking is Is
01:15:47
the situation. But, yeah, I mean it would have
01:15:54
been a good Hideout like Henry and Sam.
01:15:58
I feel like if they had, if they were somewhere around, they were
01:16:02
paying attention. They probably would have noticed
01:16:06
that it wasn't the people that were looking for them.
01:16:09
And I'm thinking that's probably why they approached them.
01:16:12
Maybe they were probably following them.
01:16:15
Yeah, and they probably heard the Laughing, they I probably
01:16:17
saw that. It was a man in the young girl.
01:16:20
Again, there's nothing about the way, the Ellie and Joel.
01:16:24
Are with each other. Now, that would make you think
01:16:27
anything other than they might be father and daughter, you
01:16:31
know? So maybe Henry saw that and was
01:16:36
like okay they might be safe but just in case we'll just hold
01:16:41
them at gunpoint for right now, just until we determine how
01:16:45
dangerous they are. But yeah, I don't see that being
01:16:48
a contentious friendship or relationship because they both
01:16:53
Have children that they're trying to keep safe.
01:16:56
And at this point, Henry doesn't know that people might be after
01:17:01
Joel. I mean right now, Joel thinks
01:17:04
people might be after him because he killed two people.
01:17:07
So and you know this is this is more of an uneasy Alliance is my
01:17:12
friend is this is more of an uneasy alliance between the two
01:17:16
is like, like I don't know, you are real trust you but you're
01:17:18
not trying to kill me right now. So cool.
01:17:22
All right. Bye-bye.
01:17:23
I'm watching you keep my eye on you.
01:17:26
They just don't do it. Don't do anything stupid shit.
01:17:29
Yeah, I don't know if I feel like Kathleen's group is a
01:17:34
firefly group, it seemed a no, then there's a little bit
01:17:39
different from the way Marlene was approaching.
01:17:43
And even the way the group that they came across in the state
01:17:48
capital, I don't know. They seemed a little more
01:17:53
Unorganized. I don't know if I'll ever see
01:17:56
more random. Yeah, they're more random.
01:18:00
Yeah, you know, like one of those ragtag bunch of Misfits.
01:18:06
Like a whole bunch of people just came together was like
01:18:08
we're sick of the of the, the quarantine Zone.
01:18:12
But we're also seeing more like they were like the Wolverines.
01:18:15
Yeah. They're like the Wolverines and
01:18:16
Red Dawn. It's like, you know, they just
01:18:19
kind of happened upon Oh yeah. Because I mean just like you
01:18:25
know, they're Scrappy they overcome and there but they have
01:18:28
no idea what the fuck they're doing and it's like it will and
01:18:31
there's like they have gaps in what they do.
01:18:33
So I think that's more of a app description of them, but I don't
01:18:40
know. It looks like they're going to
01:18:41
cause some trouble for maybe at least one episode, you know?
01:18:45
And it's so crazy to me that we are already like halfway through
01:18:50
the season. Like it's going by fast.
01:18:53
It's going by very fast. Yeah, well, I think this show
01:18:57
has nine episodes for season one.
01:19:02
If I was playing the game, I was had to restart several times.
01:19:05
This is I will, that's why, that's why people get bad joke.
01:19:11
Now, people say the game is so unrealistic because they,
01:19:14
because the only died, nobody died in the museum in the first
01:19:18
episode and people usually died like 18 times there than the
01:19:22
other controller, right? I mean, they already killed
01:19:29
says, we don't need to see a whole bunch of people died.
01:19:32
Like y'all already look you introduce test.
01:19:34
You killed her off two episodes later.
01:19:36
After we did get a brief, you know, we get to dig in to see
01:19:39
her briefly in the third episode.
01:19:41
But yeah, you took her from us. We got Frank and Bill for one
01:19:45
episode. You took them from us so on,
01:19:49
huh? No, I'm just saying they were
01:19:52
gone. So yeah, so someone's leaving.
01:19:56
Yeah. So like you said Kathleen might
01:19:58
only be around for maybe one more episode Sammy Henry.
01:20:01
I don't know. Maybe, I don't know.
01:20:05
I think the whatever is in the ground is going to wipe them all
01:20:09
out and daily and Joel are going to be the last two out.
01:20:15
Yeah. I kind of heard something about
01:20:18
saying, but Imma keep it to myself until it.
01:20:20
Keep Wishin. I heard the same thing, but
01:20:24
yeah, the show is called The Last of Us.
01:20:27
So, you know, spoiler alert. But yeah, exactly.
01:20:36
Yeah, but The show keeps getting better and better.
01:20:43
I'm just like the show is also and I'm going to throw in a sort
01:20:48
of a geek. Dad, Dad joke moment.
01:20:51
Oh, I was, I was showing the husband, he looks at me and he
01:20:55
goes Glory. What he's like working on Game
01:20:58
of Thrones? Yes, yes, they were on.
01:21:01
Give those good luck. I just, I had to walk out of the
01:21:05
room. I was like, all righty, then
01:21:08
yep. They were on Game of Thrones.
01:21:10
But not together because exactly about 33 and then see ya season.
01:21:17
I think she was introduced in season 4 or and then went on,
01:21:23
for their. Yeah, when it was like, wow.
01:21:26
Oh God. But the thing is is that I
01:21:30
really appreciate the way that they're doing this story.
01:21:34
Because they're, they're doing two things at once, they're
01:21:38
taking their time to really let us fall in love.
01:21:40
His characters. But at the same time they're
01:21:43
advancing the action enough that we're not getting boring lost
01:21:47
where I see what you did there. Yeah.
01:21:53
Yeah. Because this is the first season
01:21:56
and as a vicious, yes, the the show that I just mentioned, I
01:22:01
mean, every episode we were there, we were there.
01:22:04
I mean, Mark and I would come home, literally, on on it was
01:22:09
because we used to watch it off. Off of whatever the old Amazon
01:22:12
think and we would watch a premier night.
01:22:15
But the next day we'd wash it and everyone was glued.
01:22:18
Same thing with Sleepy Hollow. Okay?
01:22:21
I mean, the show's obviously they started on the shows that
01:22:26
you can't wait to watch. You can't maybe watch it right
01:22:29
there, but you can watch the next day.
01:22:31
Everyone talks about, you know, exactly what happened but you
01:22:35
sit there and you literally watch it as soon as you get
01:22:38
home. And then some Songs are so good.
01:22:41
You watch it twice. This is what the last of us is
01:22:43
they've managed to capture that magic again.
01:22:46
I mean the only thing that I could think that's might be
01:22:49
closed is Manifest. No please.
01:22:53
No, no. I'm sorry I went there.
01:22:57
No Anthony said don't make that comparison, I haven't seen
01:23:01
manifest so I don't know. I've heard some people say they
01:23:03
love it. I've heard some people say is
01:23:05
in, oh, I don't know. Okay, well, I'm just saying it's
01:23:07
a phenomenon is what I'm going to say.
01:23:09
Absolutely You know, she I think she's talking about the last of
01:23:14
us being a phenomenon. Yeah, I'm not talking about
01:23:16
manifest. I see you manifest and I kind of
01:23:19
agree with you on that. But what I'm saying is a
01:23:22
phenomena, a show that you cannot stop watching because
01:23:27
it's so engaging and you're just barely into halfway through Four
01:23:32
Season, you're like, gotta watch it.
01:23:33
Gotta watch it Iowa. It's today.
01:23:35
It's like house the Dragon Last Summer last summer fall.
01:23:38
It's like, you're there and you have to Watch it.
01:23:41
So it's actually kind of cool because you know, this is this
01:23:44
is February, you know, and it's like sort of dead couple of
01:23:48
months until March when things start taking up.
01:23:51
So I'm actually glad this, you know, came out when it did.
01:23:54
But I have to say, I have to give it to him.
01:23:57
This is a phenomenal show. Like I said, I don't watch
01:24:01
zombie shows but this has my attention like 100%.
01:24:06
Okay, well I think I don't think this is Not a zombie show.
01:24:11
They're not. So yeah, this is this episode
01:24:14
was not as good as the last three, so, I'm not, I'm not
01:24:20
gonna stick with he's getting better and better.
01:24:23
I think this was, this was a okay episode.
01:24:27
It had a few good things in it. The dad jokes, mainly, but other
01:24:30
than that, it was all right. Are you at?
01:24:32
Oh, so you're a fan of them? Now, no, I'm just saying for the
01:24:39
water heater. Of water.
01:24:41
No, no. I mean I don't know.
01:24:49
Maybe it's because we're starting to be introduced to the
01:24:53
quote-unquote criminal element of the show so I don't know.
01:24:58
It's taking away a little bit from Joel and Ellie which I
01:25:02
don't know II like this episode. I thought it was, you know, I
01:25:05
thought it was great because we do get to see.
01:25:09
A different aspect of you know, what are supposed to be the good
01:25:13
guys and you see, it's kind of like one of those things where
01:25:18
you see where the line is, where the line is kind of murky.
01:25:22
Like, I feel like Kathleen and her people, whatever it is.
01:25:25
They did to overthrow the qz. If the qz was not doing what
01:25:30
they were supposed to be doing for the people and then you have
01:25:33
a rebellion, okay, I can understand that.
01:25:36
I get that but if you are Starting to become the
01:25:41
oppressor, which I don't know. It kind of looks like that might
01:25:47
be the direction they're going with this group, I don't know.
01:25:51
It's just, I don't know. It's interesting.
01:25:54
It'll be interesting to see what this group is really about and
01:25:57
and to see how that affects Joel and Ellie and they're also like
01:26:02
you said, what the hell did Henry do that?
01:26:04
You are sitting here looking for him in such a way or the other.
01:26:08
The people was it just was it because they didn't want to
01:26:11
listen to you and they wanted to leave.
01:26:13
What isn't that? The same thing?
01:26:14
The qz used to do like when people defected that went behind
01:26:18
me on the wall, they put other people in danger.
01:26:20
What did they do in the first episode?
01:26:21
They hung them. So are you about to try to do
01:26:27
the same thing? I mean, you basically just told
01:26:29
your people hey if you see him or anybody who is with him,
01:26:32
helping him kill them. Like you're telling them, shoot
01:26:36
them on sight. You're not even going to bring
01:26:37
them in and say, okay. Well, why did you do this or
01:26:40
whatever? It was that he did, like again,
01:26:44
I feel like it was personal. I don't know if this has to do
01:26:47
with her brother, or if it has to do with something that's a
01:26:50
little bit more personal. But yeah, it's she's totally
01:26:54
making some questionable decisions and like you say,
01:27:00
ethnic feel like they're going to come and back and bite her in
01:27:02
the ass. And that I like is episode, but
01:27:07
we got to think it's going to be hard to follow Frank and Bill's
01:27:10
episode. That is true.
01:27:13
It's true. And second this episode gave us
01:27:17
like like a road trip. Is the building of their
01:27:20
relationship because we hadn't had that part yet.
01:27:23
So now we actually can see it. They're growing it.
01:27:27
That will get them into other. Adventures.
01:27:31
That will be more exciting next week, but we need this episode
01:27:35
just to come off of last week episode which you want to do you
01:27:39
know crying your bed, right? If it's have a nice fun you know
01:27:45
some daddy jokes and see their relationship grow.
01:27:50
Yeah, I agree. So anybody have anything else to
01:27:56
say about it or The Last of Us? Shout out to the movie theater
01:28:01
and had I was showing underworld and Matchstick Men, which is an
01:28:05
interesting combination of movies underworlds.
01:28:09
Underworld Matchstick Men. Is this is a movie with Nicolas
01:28:12
Cage as a con man and he adopts a little girl and like a little
01:28:17
girl, but he's like shows her the ropes.
01:28:22
Yeah, so those those those two movies that were on the Marquee,
01:28:28
I am looking forward to, I don't know.
01:28:34
I'm I'm I'm kind of I'm kind of in the middle.
01:28:36
I thought this was a decent episode, I don't think.
01:28:39
But like you said I mean episode 3 was kind of up in Ultimate
01:28:43
that was had a feel of a penultimate episode.
01:28:45
So it was destined to kind of let down the next episode, no
01:28:48
matter how good it was going to be.
01:28:50
You're going to experience, you're going to experience.
01:28:52
Kind of let down because if it went it was better.
01:28:55
Like they'll just be impossible to keep that up through the next
01:28:59
few episodes that has left in this season.
01:29:01
So you kind of expect had to expect a little bit of a
01:29:04
letdown. But this was actually a good
01:29:05
episode personally for me because, you know, I mean, my
01:29:10
humor is all over it. I was I was just, I was so
01:29:13
pleased. I mean, Ellie Ellie is such a
01:29:15
smart girl. Shout out to Bella Ramsey for
01:29:17
being out. I knew she was in Game of
01:29:19
Thrones by didn't put together that she was from a England, I
01:29:22
was like, here comes another someone else from England
01:29:25
emigrating and taking all American actor jobs like, good
01:29:27
God, like all you have to do all y'all speak.
01:29:29
Perfect English like, Jesus, perfect American to, I know,
01:29:33
you're you're still like, I don't know where you are in your
01:29:36
Game of Thrones watch. You are so far behind and
01:29:47
because every scene that she is in, in that show, She steals the
01:29:53
fucking saying, shit, Bella Ramsey is amazing.
01:29:58
And if you want to see her in something else, that isn't Game
01:30:03
of Thrones on Netflix, a few years ago, she did a little
01:30:07
Series right after that called the worst, which where it's
01:30:11
basically like a Harry Potter Hogwarts type of school for
01:30:13
witches. And she's like, the worst witch
01:30:16
that they have and it's adorable.
01:30:18
I think it ran for two, maybe three seasons.
01:30:20
Oh, okay. All right, I mean there's some
01:30:24
other me, any series His Dark Materials because that's another
01:30:28
thing I need to get caught up on.
01:30:30
Is she in that? Yeah, yeah, that's true.
01:30:38
Yeah, but yeah. But I forgot about that.
01:30:41
But yeah, yeah, that's another one of the worst witch and and
01:30:45
his dark materials. I need to get caught up on his
01:30:48
dark materials to but it just it, of course, you know, we're
01:30:52
Pedro's been and other stuff will think all the Mandalorian,
01:30:55
but, which I still haven't watched yet.
01:30:57
I know, you know what, I'm not even going to talk to you.
01:30:59
I'm not even gonna lie because, you know, the Third Season
01:31:02
premiere. I know I'm ready to start.
01:31:05
I know, I know I saw that. And, and well, I've been
01:31:09
mainlining Stargate. Atlantis, do shoot me.
01:31:12
I fell in love with Pluto. So now, like, currently I'm sort
01:31:15
of watching mainlining Deep, Space, Nine MacGyver, and dead
01:31:18
zone. Yes, I went back to the dead
01:31:20
zone because it's awesome. But anyway, that's neither here,
01:31:23
nor there. But I, I love this show.
01:31:27
I love what they're doing. The actress is amazing, the ACT
01:31:32
ER is amazing and quite honestly, I'm surprised I'm
01:31:35
watching. Eight, infected not calling his
01:31:37
zombie show and I'm actually watching it weekly versus The
01:31:41
Walking Dead, which I watched the pilot and that was it.
01:31:44
Yeah, I think they did a good job when they chose Pedro.
01:31:49
For this role they did I'm kind of looking forward to seeing you
01:31:54
learning more about Kathryn because I mean this like some
01:31:57
stuff like the last step for her just still doesn't add up.
01:32:01
So it's like Guess I'm about to put on algebra.
01:32:04
You know what, I'm not even. So, you should say that for
01:32:09
later because I can't, I can't even like close that close the
01:32:12
show that got a couple of things to talk about before we close
01:32:15
the show. Just anyway, first name, before
01:32:19
we close out the show, if you have not seen the clip that is
01:32:24
going around, Pedro, Pascal hosted Saturday Night Live this
01:32:29
past weekend and there is a clip.
01:32:32
Of him dancing with an affair with a clip, a sort of funniest
01:32:39
thing ever. Go find that clip is all over
01:32:43
social media, go find it. The other thing I wanted to
01:32:47
mention is that at the end of the month, February 24th through
01:32:51
the 26th, we will be at Atlanta comic convention, which is a mix
01:32:59
of two previous, two conventions that Previously here in Atlanta,
01:33:04
the fan demick tour, which used to be a Walking Dead Centric
01:33:08
convention and then Atlanta Comic Con, which was a fairly
01:33:14
newish convention. I think it had only been here
01:33:16
like maybe five or six years but those tumors that in the middle
01:33:21
of last year. So now they are ATL comic
01:33:23
convention. We will be there at the end of
01:33:26
this month. Casey, Michelle and myself we
01:33:30
will be presenting to Two Walking Dead.
01:33:34
Famed panels. The first one is it's a Negan
01:33:38
panel. We're going to talk about his
01:33:42
his Redemption, our core his story and whether or not he
01:33:45
deserves to have a Redemption art and just explore that
01:33:49
character, little bit more because he is such a polarizing
01:33:51
character. Like if you talk to people in
01:33:53
the fandom people, either love them or they hate him, there
01:33:57
really isn't much in between. So I do want to explore that a
01:34:00
little bit. These Second panel is going to
01:34:03
be a what if styled panel and it's exploring the character of
01:34:08
Maggie Greene, you know, she has been through so much during her
01:34:12
time on The Walking Dead. And I feel like personally, I
01:34:16
feel like in the last two seasons season 10 and 11, we
01:34:20
started to shoot, see a little bit of a shift with her
01:34:23
character and I just, if maybe we are looking at the start of a
01:34:29
villain origin story with her character, After we do know that
01:34:33
she and Negan will have a spin-off that is airing a little
01:34:37
bit later this year was supposed to Premier.
01:34:39
I think, and it was supposed to Premiere this month, I think
01:34:44
next month and I think they moved it to April or May, so
01:34:48
we're going to explore those two characters and then Anthony is
01:34:52
doing a panel that I will also be on with him.
01:34:56
Anthony tell us a little bit about your panel.
01:35:00
My panel is basically is for And how is called father and Father
01:35:04
Knows, worst, answer exploring, how fathers have been bad
01:35:10
influences? May be good on some of our
01:35:13
favorite fandom characters, like Nolan from Invincible.
01:35:21
Invincible is coming back. We did get some information that
01:35:24
we don't have a premiere date yet but we are getting it in
01:35:28
2023. I can't fucking wait.
01:35:32
Sorry continue, it's okay. And one of the more famous
01:35:37
father's father figures, Bruce Wayne and the influence he's had
01:35:42
on his sons and how they turn out to.
01:35:47
Okay? So yeah, and I'll throw in the
01:35:49
Winchesters and see how it goes. Oh yes, let's talk about John.
01:35:54
Absolutely. You can have a lot to say about
01:35:56
time. Absolutely.
01:35:59
Okay. So yeah so those are the panels.
01:36:02
And if you're doing books, Dresden everybody's are McCoy
01:36:06
Harry Dresden, grandfather grandson.
01:36:08
That's also a good one too. Yeah, yeah.
01:36:10
Yeah. Okay.
01:36:11
So so information about those panels are on our social media
01:36:17
and I will also include that information in the show notes
01:36:21
for this episode, but that is taking place February 24th
01:36:25
through the 26th at the at the World Congress Center, you can
01:36:30
find information Online at www.att.com/biz.com.
01:36:37
I will post that link as well. If you guys are in the Atlanta
01:36:40
area that weekend, come see us, come say, hi come, listen to us
01:36:45
Gap. Some more about our favorite
01:36:47
fandom things and, you know, we look forward to seeing you.
01:36:51
But for right now, that will be it for our show.
01:36:54
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01:36:58
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01:37:05
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01:37:07
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01:37:10
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01:37:12
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01:37:14
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