#strangerthings #strangerthings5 The Hawkins group make their final stand against Vecna.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Michelle and we are starting 2026 talking about
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Volume 3, the series finale of Stranger Things.
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How are we feeling? Are we OK?
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I'm great, I'm feeling good, watched it twice.
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She's OK today I'm. Good.
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And I am actually glad that like we waited because even settling
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in still great. Yeah, I mean, it's still, I
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mean, we're going to talk about it, but no matter what, yes,
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there's some things that could have been changed, but overall,
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like this was a great ending of of the story.
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Yes, I agree. I agree.
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So let's get into it. I'm going to start this off by
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saying that we all collectively owe an apology to Kali because
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we were dead ass wrong. And you know what?
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I'm glad we were wrong. I'm.
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Yeah, right, I am too. About.
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I mean not we were completely wrong because she they still she
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really. Owe her, OK.
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We thought she was going to betray L We thought.
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You know. She didn't.
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She did exactly what we thought she would do.
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It just wasn't a betrayal. Yeah.
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No. And yeah, we, we owe her
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apology. Hopper owes her apology.
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Like she was done wrong. Yeah, she was wrong.
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She was because I mean, and, and I guess the thing that really is
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interesting about it and the thing I think that that that
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they did so well with her character in that is that if you
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go back and you you watch it and you listen to what she's saying
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to Ellen. I think we even said this when
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we discussed volume to everything that she said was
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absolutely correct. She wasn't lying in what she
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said. And I think I even got to a
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point where I was like, I feel like she really does want what's
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best for everyone. And that would be for the
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program to completely end. I think the interesting thing is
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that the way that they wrote her character or not even the way
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that they wrote her character, they wrote her character to be
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to be what she what she actually end up ended up mean.
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But I think the thing for us is that we are so used to anybody
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from that part of Elle's world not telling the truth.
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We're used to them betraying her.
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We're used to them manipulating her and all the things that
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Hopper said when he was talking to her.
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And I think that's probably where we where we got it wrong.
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We were looking at Kylie, the fact that they brought her in so
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late and just basically her saying, yeah, in order for this
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to end, we got to do away with ourselves.
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We automatically looked at that as suspicious because we're not
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used to trusting anybody from that part of Elle's.
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World. And I think I, I think they
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played it off beautifully. Yeah.
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But in the end, she really was sincere.
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Like hey. We have to do this in order for
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this to stop. And we see by what happens
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towards the end of the episode. She was absolutely right.
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She was absolutely right. And, and, and, and that was all
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because of the speech. I believe that was because of
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the speech that Hopper gave Ale What was what was because of the
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speech Her her well, really she wanted them to die.
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OK, we all OK. So first of all, we have to
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agree on the end for us to speak in the present.
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So we agree at the end the L got away.
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We are in agreement, I believe, yes.
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I believe I. Believe you believe.
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You. Have to say, say I believe, I
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believe, I believe. OK, so now going back to that.
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So really cock, she wanted to, she really wanted both of them
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to die in the Upside Down. But a hearing Hopper's speech,
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which is a fantastic speech, it's a speech for everyone.
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Just if you just listen to that speech, you realize, OK, well,
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you know what, she has had a horrible life.
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I mean, I had a horrible life too, but I was able to go out
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there and make some friends and then got kidnapped again.
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I don't want to deal with anything else, but she deserves
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more. Yeah.
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So. Well she really is just a
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walking bundle of of trauma now. Like.
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Right, that's what she said. Like I'm staying here.
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But you know what? Elle kind of deserves more.
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So I'm going to help her to die, but not to die.
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Yeah, I think also the thing with Hopper's speech too, if
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you're looking at it from maybe college point of view, I think
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she probably also mistrusted Hopper because, again, this is
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somebody she doesn't know. She's not very familiar with the
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people who are in Elle's life now.
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And I think part of her, which part of her was correct?
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Part of her was looking at it like Hopper was being selfish.
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Oh, you just want to keep her here for you, which in a way he
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did. But I think her listening to
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that speech and seeing how how sincere he was, she was like,
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oh, he really does care about her.
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He really does want her to have the things that she never had
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before. And I think maybe that touched
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her because she didn't really have anybody like that in her
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life, you know, And when it got to a point where she was like,
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OK, we can probably make this work.
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I can put we can probably do this.
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I absolutely believe, you know, Mike's theory about what
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happened to Elle because of, you know, some of the clues that
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we'll get and we'll talk about later on.
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But also, I, I really just think Elle believed that she deserved
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that life, but she also knew that if she stayed with her
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friends or even if her and Mike went somewhere together, they
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would never have peace. Kay would never let them be at
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peace. I mean, even now Kay and all of
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the other military saw quote UN quote saw L die, I betcha she
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still is keeping tabs on the rest of them just in case that
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wasn't the case. So in order for them to have a
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peaceful life, Ella had to completely disappear.
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So yeah. Because you got to think like
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Harper would have been like trying to run with her to the
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keep her and Mike safe, which means he wouldn't have been with
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Joyce. Cause Joyce is not going to
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leave her son's like like nobody can move forward.
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Hate to say that with her being around or not being around or in
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hiding. So they will all be trying to
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either get to her, be with her, fire, her protection, if they
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even thought that she was alive. Like even with Mike, like I, I
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wouldn't say even now, given that Mike has that theory, you
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know, Mike is about to research every part of the Earth that's
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got that's got waterfalls. That's where he's going on
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vacation just to see, you know, I, I kind of see him doing that,
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but at the same time, I feel like maybe he wouldn't do that
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because I think he knows if he sees L, he's not going to be
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able to just let her go. Right.
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And he has to move forward. Yeah.
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Which I want to say this again, his future wife.
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I'm sorry. I'm just sorry.
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Like, how can you when they were playing Purple Rain and then
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they are, you know, talking about you.
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You see me, you know the real me.
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I'm like, OK, no woman is ever going to compare to her when he
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broke. Down and said please don't
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leave. Leave me.
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Right. That's all Like this, this right
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here. This this will not work.
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You know, this is going to be looking at you like Mike.
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Why are you looking at me like that?
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It's mine's thinking. She's no eleven.
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No, she's maybe just a nine. I'm sorry you had 11.
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Yeah, but OK, so Kylie, we apologize.
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We were wrong in the end. You did you.
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You did right. So where do we want to start
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with this finale? There's so many out.
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I don't know. I don't know where I want to
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start. Where do you want to start?
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Oh, we need to start from the beat from the beginning.
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Let's start with the well. First of all, shout out to Mr.
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Clark for giving us Lord of the Ring reference.
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I really appreciate that. Yeah, 'cause, 'cause I think, I
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think both of us, that was in, that was in the last episode of
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Volume 2. I think we all missed it.
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Yeah. And then I saw somebody
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mentioned I was like, wait, is that what he said?
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So yes. Saddled him for that.
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Well, their their plan was pretty good.
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The one thing, though, was lining up the rift with the
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tower. That's something they don't have
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control over. I don't think they thought
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really. I don't think they really
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thought it thought about it until they were there.
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Yeah. They just thought it would, just
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assumed. It would line up or they thought
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it was already lined up. Yeah, or maybe they thought the
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rift was a little bit larger than it was.
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Yeah. And then it would just go
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straight through. Yeah.
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Yeah. So yeah, and other than that,
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the the plan was was pretty spot on.
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It was pretty spot on. Shout out to the leader of the
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Wolfpack. I don't can't remember his name
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but for him to go to the lab I guess to assume they would show
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show up at the lab. Acres.
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Lived to the acres. Yeah, there was a there was a
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leap of logic there for him that they would show up at the lab
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because he was there before they found the plan in the basement,
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right. Yes, he wasn't even with the
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plant in the basement. He so he just, he was, he was
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like, yeah, I'm going to go here and and just wait 'cause maybe
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they'll show up here. Don't know why he figured they
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would, but hey, they were there before.
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They just maybe assume they will come back.
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I mean, it was logical. They went through.
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So it's like where are they going to go?
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Yeah, 'cause I you where they were saying was a little bit
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closer so yeah, but even going through the main entrance way,
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they're like, they had to go somewhere.
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We're already down here, they're not going to go back to the lab
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that we built. Where else would they go The.
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Other thing that concerned me why didn't why?
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I just thought about this why didn't K build their secure
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facility where the maxi is? Why did they build it so far off
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they had to drive to it? I don't know.
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Maybe does that the the do you understand where the mass?
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They had to go where there was land 'cause they're already
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pre-existing buildings. They could repurpose the
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buildings. No, they had to build their own
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facility. You saw what they were doing, so
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they built their own facility. So they went to where there was
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land. OK.
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Yeah, that's they. I mean, they didn't have to
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really go where there was land because they owned everything
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there. But why am I going to then go
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down and Droid buildings? They can't.
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Yeah, right. It's easier to build on in a
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time period. No, you know, land instead of
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tearing down buildings and then building.
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We don't have time for that. OK.
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I, I think possibly also just to, I don't know, maybe to keep,
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I don't know, maybe they figure if they were a little bit of
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distance from the entrance, they might be safer, they might be
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more secure. I I mean I don't.
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Know that was just that was just the thought I had.
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Then you think closer to the entrance is the the town, the
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the main the the main part. So you will be tearing down
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blocks of buildings. I don't even know if the tearing
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down part is is part of the problem.
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The fact that you're keeping a monster in your lab?
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You might want to keep that from the main entrance just in case
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you lose control. Of it, right?
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And then it's not easy to get to.
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Someone just goes through and then, right, there's your lab.
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You destroyed the RadioShack and there's your lab.
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No, you clear and you got to clear.
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Then you have to get it. Where's the vantage point?
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Like she said, Well, if there's a scape or someone's trying to
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get in that they can see from all sides.
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So they picked the right piece of land to do it, which really
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they shouldn't have even done it.
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And upside down. But you know, you don't even
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really know what's in there. But that's a whole.
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Yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
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That's called. Arrogance, but whatever.
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Yeah, we and we said that last volume.
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Hubris. Yeah.
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But the plan was pretty solid. Yeah.
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So shout out to Steve. Listen, Steve came through and
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let me tell you, I know that we were talking about the
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possibility of characters dying and stuff.
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And I will say this, the fact that no characters died, I'm
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actually good with it. I, you know, I think and we've
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had this conversation and I've also seen this discourse online.
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I think shows like Game of Thrones has kind of given us
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reason to expect a lot of huge deaths in order to move the
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story for it. But I think, Anthony, you said
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something very interesting when we went to go see the movie in
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the theater on Wednesday. We had this discussion in the
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car and you were like, before Game of Thrones, name a show
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where they were just killing off characters left and right, you
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know, as far as moving the story forward.
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And we were really sitting there racking our brains trying to
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think of like, what shows killed a whole bunch of main characters
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and we can't really think of any.
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So it was like. Wow keeps being lost.
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It's what it is. Lost Battlestar Galactica.
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Well, Battlestar Galactica is kind of characters, yes.
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I mean, I rewatched it. So to me it didn't.
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It was, you know, that was main characters.
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But that's neither here nor there.
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Yes, yeah. Well, The thing is, main carry
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to death or carry to death don't really equal emotional death.
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In the TV show, you can do emotional death without death,
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without, I'm just saying, without killing.
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I'm just saying in general, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking
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to the audience. But.
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How they are mansplaining to the audience.
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You don't emotional death is not equal character death.
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You don't have to do it. And it's just, and I know we all
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have this, the, the online discourse was about, oh, they
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had really someone put up all the people that have died on the
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show. OK, no, they weren't really main
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cast, but they were cast members, you know, Bob and and
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all the kids that died last in was that volume four?
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Yeah, season 4, season 4 that died.
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There's all Eddie died. So it wasn't like they weren't
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killing people off. We just knew that.
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Like I said, I I decided, I figured they weren't going to
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kill any of the main cast. They weren't going to kill
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anybody other than Kali. And I think, and I think that
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they kind of made that kind of obvious.
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And also the other thing about, you know, the Duffer brothers
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following different types of things.
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And if they're following a lot of the fantasy stuff that
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happens in fantasy that your main characters, once they
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complete the task, they get their happy ending, they get
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their reward, if that even happens when you play Dungeons
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and Dragons, if you defeat the fan, you get, you know, your
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bucket of gold or you or. Even eighties, 80s, coming of
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age movies, yeah, at the end they.
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Got this. Is what happened.
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Honestly this happened is has nothing to do with Game of
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Thrones. This is literally what happened,
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and This is why social media sometimes can be quite horrible.
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They told us from the beginning, like we should be able to follow
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along and kind of know what happens at the end.
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They basically said this. They show that they don't do
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stuff to their main characters, but somehow we have people that
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put out there, they say it five major deaths.
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So then people like, Oh my God, who's gonna die?
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Please don't let it be Steve. And then we start breaking it
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down. Well, it has to be one of the
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kids and one of the the young adults and and maybe two of the,
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you know, the senior citizens. However, we get into a 10 call
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them senior citizens. They are probably younger than
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us. I know, but but we got into a
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tizzy. Like I've seen many YouTube
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videos theorizing who could define be who are the, you know,
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the death predictions. Even one video guy was like
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nobody's death even makes sense to the story to be honest.
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But we got to have a death because they say it.
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They say it air quotes. They said that someone's going
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to die. They never said anything.
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Someone said they say it, the duffel brothers say it.
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And then we all that start spreading and they get into a
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tizzy and then people start showing photos of if you don't
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really pay attention, it'll be like dust and crying.
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Like the scene with the trailer with dust and crying and stuff.
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And someone said, well, I heard a leak where there's a scene of
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Steve in the coffin. So then it just becomes a tizzy.
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This becomes in a tizzy. So then the expectation is
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someone's gonna die. So you even say Hanukkah when we
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watch Volume to you are holding your breath, 'cause you're
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thinking. Someone's going to die, right?
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I'm holding my breath. Someone's going to die.
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But I wasn't holding my breath. But I was OK with that.
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Anybody said online. That was just my expectation.
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I was just kind of like, if you think about it, they have this
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big bad character in Vecna. We know the Mind Flayer was
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going to come into play somehow. I didn't realize it was going to
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be what it actually was because we've seen kind of.
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I guess you could say the earlier versions of the Mind
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Flayer that we saw was like the dumbed down version.
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So I'm thinking, OK, they got the Mind Flayer, they got Vecla,
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they got the military after them.
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I'm just thinking all of these things coming after them,
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somebody's got to die. That's right.
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That's kind of what I'm thinking.
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Not because of any online discourse, because I didn't pay
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attention to that, you know, but that still subconsciously goes
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out into the atmosphere of everyone talking about it, not
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necessarily you looking at. Whether are you looking at
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YouTube, we just start to talk about it because then I start
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talking now you start talking my like, well, it makes sense
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because you have all these kids who died.
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I'm not all the kids, but some teenagers died.
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You know, they went a little bit higher up with dying off some
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characters in season 4. So everyone's psyche is like
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someone has to go. We like we can't just have 11,
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which she honestly, she did die, but not die.
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But in our psyche we're like, this is going to happen.
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I just don't want to be Steve. Not mine.
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I didn't think anybody was ever going to die except Kylie.
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Forget it. That's the reason, I think.
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But my, my, the Duffer brothers, though, are wrong.
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For one thing, they're wrong for having Steve fall and cutting
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the black. They was wrong for that.
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They. Have to make us worry.
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At least a little bit, right? They want to say, you know what
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I'm trying to talk about, Steve Dine, right?
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We'll get you something we got. Something second I said that
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motherfuckers did it. He actually did it, man.
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Nah, Nah, Nah. Because the only other time they
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cut the black, all the other times they cut the black was in
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scene changes. Yeah, they cut the black.
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Right when he failed and it was just kind of like.
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Yeah, Nah, Nah. They're thinking this out.
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OK so I will say this, this has nothing to do with the the
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actual episode. So we went to go see this in the
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movie theater 8 O clock on Wednesday night and I have to
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say I'm probably most disappointed because I feel like
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the crowd that we saw this with was so tame.
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They were. It was only three people making
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noises. No, like Anthony.
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Said that was me that no. Me too.
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And then it and then it was Lisa, so it and then it was like
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whatever. Because like different little
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things that happened, like Max, OK, I was so into the I was so
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into the episode, I completely forgot the plan about Max
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piggybacking and 11th time. So when she started moving and
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the water started coming, I was sitting in the bed like, Oh my
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God, I thought so too. I did too.
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I was like, she just got up. She just woke up.
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I know the person who was sitting in the seat next to me
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because I was in the row behind you guys, but there was like an
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aisle in between us. I know the person who was
00:23:17
sitting next to me was like, if this bitch don't stop.
00:23:19
Because when I say I was freaking out, I was doing all
00:23:22
this stuff. When Lucas was looking at Elle
00:23:26
jumping towards the Mind Flayer, he did this.
00:23:28
Me and him did it at the same time.
00:23:30
I mean when Jonathan, I mean when, when Steve fell and I
00:23:36
squealed and I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:23:39
When Jonathan caught him, I cheered.
00:23:41
I said yes, I started, I started crying.
00:23:44
I was like, why is nobody reacting in this?
00:23:47
And. Over there, said Jonathan
00:23:48
Ketchum. Yes, he did.
00:23:50
I said Jonathan Ketchum. And then, and then, and then it
00:23:53
was, it came on and Jonathan called and I was like, yeah,
00:23:55
because I'm like, that's the only adult that can hold him.
00:23:58
I I. I believe, I know, I know that's
00:24:01
how you feel guys feel they retained.
00:24:03
I believe everyone was just intensely focused on the show.
00:24:09
That's how I was. I was intensely focused but
00:24:13
should. I overly.
00:24:14
React to stuff anyway, like I, I'm one of those people like
00:24:18
when you go and you look online at the like the Avenger end game
00:24:25
scene where the, you know, the, the whole Avengers Assemble
00:24:29
thing. I I was one of those people that
00:24:32
was. He was too.
00:24:32
He was too. I was one of the ones losing my
00:24:36
mind when. I've never seen that man joke
00:24:39
when Rogers got the when Captain Mark and put the yeah, he was
00:24:44
done and they said a symbol. Yeah, with black pants, with
00:24:50
this episode, when Joyce was cutting off Becna's hair, I was
00:24:54
in my seat. Like, yes, yes, yes.
00:24:57
And I was like, is nobody else excited about this?
00:24:59
Like, because we talked about who should be able to kill
00:25:03
Becna. We talked about 11, We talked
00:25:05
about Will. I didn't even think about Joyce
00:25:08
and her ACT. She's been holding an accent
00:25:10
Season 1 or she's been having an accent season one.
00:25:13
I'm so glad she finally got something to do with her regular
00:25:16
coat on. I was just like, this is perfect
00:25:21
because she's like, she really has suffered almost the most as
00:25:26
far as Vecna goes because he took her child, He took her
00:25:30
almost stepchild because she she raised 11 for a little bit while
00:25:34
Hopper was gone. She took Bob.
00:25:36
Just all of this stuff that she has gone through.
00:25:39
I was like, this is perfect. And nobody else was like parts
00:25:43
where you expected people to cheer.
00:25:45
Nobody was cheering. And I was like, I don't like
00:25:48
this experience. I don't I, I, I want to be with
00:25:52
the hardcore nerves. And the sad part is they were,
00:25:55
and I, I agree with Anthony, they were actually they were
00:25:59
because this is the group that was on that Epping phone when it
00:26:03
was spiraling out of control trying to get the tickets.
00:26:06
This is the first time that they sold tickets 8:00 and it was the
00:26:11
only showing. So everyone in that theater real
00:26:15
was die hard fans. Like they're die hard, but
00:26:19
they're different. Some people just held it in.
00:26:21
So like I can understand that like you so intensely involved
00:26:25
in this, like. You don't know.
00:26:28
You're hissing, crying, you don't know what is happening to
00:26:31
yourself. That's me.
00:26:34
I need, I need, I need to, I needed to be around those kind
00:26:37
of fans like. When you.
00:26:47
You want that crowd. You want the crowd the 1st.
00:26:51
Crowd. The hardcore people, they got
00:26:53
the tickets for the first and only showing, they were all we
00:26:58
were all intense. Those are the ones that usually
00:27:00
are the are the vocal ones, though.
00:27:02
Not necessarily. I mean, in my experience, the
00:27:06
the movies that I've gone to where it's been it, it's it's
00:27:10
been like that. So I was just, I was a little
00:27:12
disappointed because I wanted the crowd that was vocal.
00:27:17
I wanted the crowd that cheered. I wanted the crowd that, you
00:27:21
know, you, you can hear everybody crying and sniffling.
00:27:24
I bet that was the experience I was expecting and I didn't get
00:27:27
it and I was a little disappointed about it.
00:27:30
I mean, I totally understand. I I knew it, I'd see it half and
00:27:34
half because that's the same. Thing and not many of you.
00:27:38
Right, that was involved because like I clapped at the end and
00:27:41
nobody was clapping. I was clapping, but that's and
00:27:45
then I was excited when I heard Prince.
00:27:47
I said wait a second, I'm just. It was you, Hanukkah and Lisa.
00:27:51
That was it. It had to have been because Lisa
00:27:53
was like, I heard a couple of people clapping at Anthony on on
00:27:56
a Facebook post and Anthony was like, no, what you heard was
00:27:59
Hanukkah. I was like, yes, it actually
00:28:01
was. Because because we couldn't hold
00:28:03
it in. See, that's the thing.
00:28:05
They were holding it in and then they went went home and it was.
00:28:09
Like Boo Boo Boo. But everyone shows their emotion
00:28:13
differently. We're not going to do that.
00:28:15
We're not going to do that. Do it.
00:28:16
Boo, Boo, Boo. I'm not going to do that.
00:28:20
But oh, yeah, Steve was a that was a close one because I was
00:28:25
like, what are we doing here? What are you doing?
00:28:26
They keep panning to him. I was like, what's happening?
00:28:29
Why? Why we keep panning to Steve?
00:28:31
I get it. It's coming down.
00:28:34
He telling people to get out the way.
00:28:35
What's what's the problem here? Yeah, you're going to have him
00:28:38
fall. And that was like Steve Kim.
00:28:40
And he did. Thank you.
00:28:41
Thank you, Jonathan. I mean, thank you.
00:28:43
Thank you, Jonathan. I know you don't lie, but I'm
00:28:45
glad you saved him. I don't know, like, thank you.
00:28:49
I'm glad they made it clear they don't like each other.
00:28:51
Now they do. Well, that way that was then and
00:28:54
and this is not I right and. The reason, he said.
00:28:57
The reason why yeah, yeah, yeah. Competition.
00:29:03
Shout out to Holly for being the mic eyes on me.
00:29:08
Try leading the kids after. Oh, let's let's go back to Elle
00:29:13
and her her confrontation with with hearing.
00:29:17
In the house, yes. Yeah, the first confrontation,
00:29:22
he ain't too quick, is he? Like I think he still got like
00:29:27
the mentality of a teenager because what do you?
00:29:31
Mean. Why do you think that?
00:29:33
Well, L comes in and kind of tosses him, right?
00:29:45
And then he confronts her and she's still there.
00:29:48
Like why wouldn't she run? Because a male.
00:29:53
Because. Because she's really, Because
00:29:55
really, I think he knew she was trying to kill them, I don't
00:29:59
think. She didn't really try though,
00:30:01
Like she's really just stood there and let him grab her.
00:30:06
Like it wasn't like in the fight in the end when she came in and
00:30:09
went out at him, you mean? The fact that he wasn't
00:30:11
suspicious of her. Yeah, just the fact that he he
00:30:14
was even he's like, well, you let yourself get caught.
00:30:17
Duh. You know I.
00:30:19
Feel like that was a teenage mindset or immature mindset or
00:30:24
more. So again, this is serious.
00:30:26
This is him thinking, you know? Oh, what what is like she got
00:30:33
the drop on me. Oh, she couldn't have done that.
00:30:35
And you know, we always talk about this.
00:30:37
I always joke about this. You know, if you did, if you
00:30:39
watch the Incredibles, you know what he says about bad guys and
00:30:43
their monologues. I just, it's almost like he kept
00:30:49
her because he just had to make his point, like, oh, yeah, you
00:30:52
think you're here, but I'm better than you.
00:30:55
You let yourself get caught, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:57
And I was like, he really doesn't think that she is smart
00:31:01
enough to outsmart him. And I really think that's what
00:31:04
it was. It was a lot of pride.
00:31:06
It was a lot of hubris. He was just basically like, I
00:31:10
got this. Like, yeah, you tried to come in
00:31:13
here and do this and you tried to do that and you didn't
00:31:16
succeed. Yeah, and I'm disappointed.
00:31:19
I'm disappointed in Cali that she just didn't stab him and had
00:31:22
to say. OK, that's the thing.
00:31:25
You had to go in there and say, hey brother, no, you should have
00:31:28
went in there, jumped on top of him and and struck that night
00:31:30
down. You could have told him hey
00:31:32
brother after the knife was in his.
00:31:34
Chest, right? She does.
00:31:36
She did. She doesn't quite get it.
00:31:39
She don't quite get it. She wasn't around.
00:31:42
She doesn't get it. Yeah, I and I, I, I doesn't get
00:31:45
it out of it too. Yeah, right.
00:31:48
Like she knows she knows that he's a threat, but she hasn't
00:31:52
had to deal with him. Experience.
00:31:53
That. I really think she kind of
00:31:56
underestimated what he was capable of, you know, because
00:32:02
when she walked in and because he looked shocked as hell when
00:32:08
she appeared. Then she gets on the table.
00:32:10
Hi brother. I was like, you just gave him a
00:32:14
second too long. You gave him time to understand,
00:32:19
oh, this is what the situation is.
00:32:21
Let me get the fuck out of here and let me go mess them up.
00:32:25
And then you saw what happened. He got to Hopper.
00:32:27
When I, when I thought Hopper actually shot Li was in my seat
00:32:33
freaking out. I was like, Oh my God, this is a
00:32:37
big thing. This is a big thing.
00:32:38
When he pulled her out that tank and nothing was wrong with her,
00:32:41
I was like, Oh yeah, I said, oh, Ella's going to be pissed
00:32:45
because she told him. I need you to promise me that no
00:32:49
matter what happens, you do not pull me out until he is dead.
00:32:54
Yeah, but I knew that was set up as soon as as soon as he saw the
00:33:00
nerve gas, I was like, dude, you are in a dream and you don't
00:33:05
even realize it. I was like, oh, he's about to,
00:33:12
you know, 'cause we talk about Vecna using everyone's fear.
00:33:15
I was like Hopper, because Hopper was already in that
00:33:20
state. He was scared of losing L Oh
00:33:23
yeah, you left the door wide open for Henry to.
00:33:26
Hopper walks around in a constant state of fear.
00:33:30
His his PTSD is just is bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:36
And I was going to say, you know, one of the things that I
00:33:39
liked about him and Elle's conversation on the roof of the
00:33:43
lab, it's like it was heartfelt. But also I kind of, I feel like
00:33:51
Hopper, I know he loves L for L, he loves her separately from the
00:33:58
way he loved his daughter. But at the same time, he was
00:34:02
looking to use her to redeem himself from the guilt that he
00:34:08
had for his daughter. And I think if he hadn't have
00:34:11
been doing that, maybe there might have been a different
00:34:14
outcome for him and L. But it's like, I think once she
00:34:17
realized, and I don't know if she knows the the fool, you
00:34:23
know, the full extent of his guilt where it comes to Sarah.
00:34:26
I know that she knows that Sarah was his daughter and that she
00:34:28
died and that she was sick. But I don't know if she knows
00:34:31
that he feels like he's responsible for it.
00:34:34
But I know that she feels like he's using me as a replacement
00:34:40
to her, kind of. Separate.
00:34:41
Well, that was the at. The same time.
00:34:43
That was the most powerful line when she said I am not Sarah
00:34:46
she. Was like, I didn't have a
00:34:48
choice. Sarah didn't have a choice.
00:34:50
I do. And I was just like, you know,
00:34:55
at that moment I was like, Harper should have known she was
00:34:58
going to the decision she was going to make.
00:35:01
I know he was hoping for different, but as soon as she
00:35:04
said that line, I was like, she not coming back.
00:35:08
So I was actually surprised to see her still on the truck when
00:35:12
Doctor K and the rest of the soldiers pulled them over.
00:35:15
I saw her jump off the truck and then all of a sudden she
00:35:18
disappeared and I was like, where did she go?
00:35:21
I know she was there. So yeah.
00:35:24
But that I also feel like the dynamic with her and Hopper in
00:35:32
this season was, I don't know, some of the some of the things I
00:35:37
noticed with this season from previous seasons is certain
00:35:40
dynamics with certain characters.
00:35:42
They felt a little, I don't know if I want to say off, but they
00:35:46
were very different from what I'm used to seeing with them.
00:35:51
You know, like with Hopper and L, you always saw a lot of
00:35:55
affection with them, even when they were mad at each other.
00:35:57
You always saw the hugs, you saw the tears, you saw, you know, a
00:36:01
little bit more of that and you didn't really see that with them
00:36:04
in this season. The same with Mike and Li.
00:36:07
Think I said, you know, Mike and Li would admit previous seasons
00:36:11
they got on my nerves with all little kissing and all this
00:36:15
other stuff. But you didn't really see that
00:36:17
in this season. Like you didn't even see them
00:36:19
kiss each other until the very end.
00:36:21
The very final scene with them together that was.
00:36:24
Just I think that was, I think that was actually perfect.
00:36:27
I'm not, I'm not saying that is there's something wrong with it.
00:36:31
It was just weird to me, you know, because they seemed a
00:36:34
little more muted this season, I guess is the word I want to use.
00:36:42
Well, then I think everyone was to be with that.
00:36:44
But I mean, I, I, I get it. That's not really what we need
00:36:49
to see. But it did help with the builds
00:36:51
up at the end. Yeah, yeah.
00:36:53
When everyone kissing at the end, because then it was
00:36:56
everyone. It wasn't just no.
00:36:58
It wasn't even even Hopper and Joyce.
00:37:01
Only person who was kissing was Robin.
00:37:04
I mean only person who was kissing is Robin.
00:37:06
But that's OK because their relationship is new.
00:37:08
Everybody else been in a relationship for a minute?
00:37:10
Who? Who was kissing kids?
00:37:11
And Robin. Robin and Vicki didn't even
00:37:12
kiss. They didn't kiss.
00:37:15
No, they didn't. When that we you said at the
00:37:20
end, I'm talking to, I'm talking.
00:37:21
About. Yeah, we saw that.
00:37:23
No, I'm just saying during the I'm talking about during the
00:37:25
whole season, they were the only one that kissed.
00:37:28
Yeah. So everyone else had their
00:37:30
kissing at the end. You got engaged and there's no
00:37:33
kiss. That was just weird to me.
00:37:35
But yeah, I don't, I don't know. It just some of the dynamics
00:37:40
just seem kind of, I don't know, it's just strange.
00:37:44
But yeah. Anyway, going back to Henry, I
00:37:53
have to say Jamie Campbell Bauer needs to get an award because
00:37:59
his portrayal of all versions of his character, especially in
00:38:05
this final episode, we're so separate and distinct.
00:38:11
And, you know, we talked in the last episode about whether or
00:38:15
not he was going to regain his humanity.
00:38:18
And I'm, I, I said it even then, I don't want him to have a
00:38:22
redemption story. I didn't want him to have a
00:38:24
redemption art. I just wanted to see what it
00:38:26
would be like for him to, you know, connect with his humanity
00:38:31
again. And we see that in this episode
00:38:33
when he finally sees that memory that he's so scared of.
00:38:39
And it was so powerful watching him realize what had happened to
00:38:45
him that the Mind Flayer kind of kept from him this whole time.
00:38:50
But then for him to for him to own it when Will is trying to
00:38:55
connect to him. You were just a child.
00:38:57
You didn't know what was going to happen.
00:38:59
You have a you have a choice to change it.
00:39:02
You can help us defeat the mind Flayer.
00:39:04
You can let it stop controlling you or for him to be like, it's
00:39:08
not controlling me, I'm not controlling it.
00:39:12
We are we are one. I was like, wow.
00:39:16
So for him to actually be like, I chose this, this is not
00:39:21
something that was done to me. This is something I chose.
00:39:24
And I would make, you know, I would make the same choice
00:39:28
again. This whole incident just showed
00:39:30
me how bad people are, how bad humans are and how things need
00:39:34
to change. I thought it was a brilliant way
00:39:39
to kind of solidify what that character was like.
00:39:45
You, you got to see the humanity.
00:39:47
But still he's bad. Still, he's like.
00:39:53
Bad. That's an understatement.
00:39:55
Yeah. But you know, it's like.
00:39:57
The world, the the world is broken and I'm going to team up
00:40:02
with this thing that's going to consume everything.
00:40:05
Yeah. That that's how I'm going to fix
00:40:07
the world, really do yeah. That that's that's that's how
00:40:12
you see and you need to die. Yeah, yeah.
00:40:19
But you know, one of the one of the things we've also talked
00:40:22
about discussing other shows and stuff is like nowadays they
00:40:27
always seem to make the bad guys have a redemption art.
00:40:31
And sometimes it's warranty it, it actually does further the
00:40:35
story. It makes the story better for
00:40:37
specific characters. But not everybody bad has to
00:40:40
have a redemption art. Not everyone bad has to have a,
00:40:43
you know, change of heart. I'm so glad they didn't do that
00:40:46
with this character. Well, well, usually at the
00:40:49
minimum they try to make you have sympathy for the bad guy.
00:40:54
And I can see them. It's almost like they were
00:40:59
pushing us to to be sympathetic, like he was just a kid, this
00:41:04
stuff happened to him and the last second was like.
00:41:07
No. No sympathy for him.
00:41:10
Right, right. Or no.
00:41:12
We just so used to. Oh yes, I know what, you're
00:41:18
right. My player is controlling me.
00:41:22
I don't like this. No, we going back to you know,
00:41:26
I'm going back to the 80s. No, I decided to do this.
00:41:30
This was my choice. Yeah.
00:41:32
I'm good with my choices. Yeah.
00:41:34
OK, well, find it. Let's move on.
00:41:37
Yeah. He was probably just upset like
00:41:39
you kept you kept this memory for me.
00:41:41
Like I could have been using this memory, this whole it
00:41:47
fueled my rage. Yeah, but yeah, it it would be
00:41:52
easy to to sympathize with him even now.
00:41:55
You could be like, well, he's been brainwashed, but he's been
00:41:59
brainwashed to the point where he can't be brought back.
00:42:04
Yeah, but now he was like that Amber it.
00:42:07
No, I could have resisted. He chose not to.
00:42:11
Yep. OK, so that's the choice you
00:42:14
made, Sir. Right, like you, you liked this
00:42:20
power, you liked this feeling, and you liked doing what you
00:42:25
thought was right. Like, I can.
00:42:26
I can understand. Yes, humans suck.
00:42:30
Yes. You know, there could be a lot,
00:42:34
you know, humanity could be a lot better.
00:42:36
I I don't disagree with that part.
00:42:40
But your method, Sir. Yeah, that could be a problem.
00:42:46
And also, it's a reminder to everyone out there, make sure
00:42:50
your kids aren't bullying other kids in school because you never
00:42:54
know what they're going to grow up into.
00:42:56
You know, you just got to be careful with that.
00:42:59
Yeah, yeah, but also, if you are, you know, hurt at the
00:43:07
bottom of a mine shaft and a little kid who's a Boy Scout
00:43:11
comes to help you, don't shoot the fucking kid.
00:43:15
How about let's not do that? Let's not do that.
00:43:19
Because that one gunshot probably changed the whole
00:43:24
trajectory of Henry's life. Right.
00:43:28
Because he wouldn't have, he wouldn't have opened the case.
00:43:31
I mean, he would have just got you some help and then that was
00:43:35
it, right? You could have just told him to
00:43:38
go away, that you were hiding from some whatever.
00:43:41
This little boy is just trying to help you.
00:43:45
Who's a Boy Scout? I mean, that's what he's
00:43:47
supposed to do. Right.
00:43:49
Yeah, but also you might not need to be doing something that
00:43:54
has you scared of a 11 year old boy.
00:43:56
How about that? How about don't be doing
00:44:00
something that's so dangerous or so whatever.
00:44:04
Oh, they sent you. I was going to send a 11 year
00:44:07
old boy after you. Like, really?
00:44:12
Yeah, I want to go. I I want to go back to Holly
00:44:15
now. So yeah, Holly, Holly after Ill
00:44:19
and Max and Holly disappears, Holly takes over.
00:44:26
He's like, we're going to stick to the plan, get to The Cave,
00:44:29
which that didn't really work out too well.
00:44:33
But you know, when she got down into the mine shaft, she was
00:44:37
like, oh, eyes on me. And I was like, oh, well, I was
00:44:41
doing the Leonardo DiCaprio mean MM, I'm sorry, Mike leaving the
00:44:47
kids eyes on me, eyes on me. She was on the same.
00:44:49
I thought that was kind of cool and she wasn't there, so.
00:44:53
OK, so I have I have random thoughts.
00:44:55
OK, here we go. One PSA everyone, when you are
00:44:59
in the dream world, you are not like you are in the physical
00:45:04
world. You are stronger, you are
00:45:07
lighter, you are healthier. OK, all right, that's that's all
00:45:15
the PSAI have on that one. Second of all, can.
00:45:19
Can you give the people some context?
00:45:20
I I can probably tell her, 'cause let, let, let me guess,
00:45:24
the people who are trying to figure out how Derek got through
00:45:28
the hole is that, Oh, no, I wasn't even talking about that
00:45:31
part, No. I'm talking about him out of
00:45:34
Brooke and Rudy. Dude, you got this.
00:45:37
This ain't real, real life. You struggle.
00:45:40
I'm not with you. With that struggle.
00:45:41
I'll be with you. But now, honey, you are a
00:45:44
Superman. You can run as fast as you want
00:45:47
to run. You just have to believe in
00:45:49
yourself. I told Michelle.
00:45:52
I told Michelle. It made me think of the The
00:45:54
Matrix when Murphy is telling me you have to be.
00:45:57
You really think that's air you're breathing?
00:45:59
Yeah. But honestly, we don't know if
00:46:02
he made it through. Right.
00:46:06
Yeah, because they got pulled out.
00:46:08
They could got pulled out before he was squeezing through the
00:46:11
rocks. But I've seen a lot of people
00:46:13
talking about that and I was just like.
00:46:15
Because you don't know he's going to want to be.
00:46:17
He's going to be last with Holly.
00:46:19
We don't know the time period. So honestly, half of them, it's
00:46:23
12. Everyone, it is 12.
00:46:26
So half of them could have made it and the other half still in
00:46:29
The Cave when the when they got pulled out.
00:46:31
We don't know. So let's not just assume that he
00:46:36
couldn't squeeze or maybe he did and he tried and he couldn't.
00:46:39
We don't know. All I got to say is Derek, you
00:46:41
can run. You got this.
00:46:44
You weren't tired. Just in your mind, you thought
00:46:46
you were tired, but you weren't tired.
00:46:47
That's 12 I don't care what world we in my friends are my
00:46:53
friends and I don't trust Holly's friends right now so
00:46:57
they they need to repair this relationship.
00:47:00
That's all I got to say. Don't hug me in The Cave when
00:47:03
you your ass just. Put me down the space, but
00:47:06
that's. Why?
00:47:07
That's me being pet. They were.
00:47:10
Brain. I don't care.
00:47:13
They were brainwashed. I don't care, I want to save
00:47:15
them. Once Max, they don't have to hug
00:47:17
me, told them hey, I'm not the monster, I can prove it.
00:47:20
Once you see with your own eyes that you have literally been
00:47:24
sucking up to the monster, yeah, that's going to change your mind
00:47:27
real quick. I mean they were brainwashed and
00:47:32
their. Children they were OK so I no, I
00:47:35
understand but you can I can understand and still be a slight
00:47:40
teddy on the side. It's time to repair this
00:47:45
relationship. I get that you were brainwashed
00:47:49
but sometimes like. Sometimes.
00:47:51
Like alcohol, what you did in Brainwashed, maybe how you feel
00:47:54
deep. Inside they caught it.
00:47:56
Even Steven Holly hit that did. You see how that boy?
00:47:58
Ain't that in the face? But you see how that other boy
00:48:01
is in that the in the basement at the end?
00:48:03
Oh no. Absolutely not.
00:48:05
That's. What I'm talking about, Thomas
00:48:08
was the main 1, so I have to take my time.
00:48:11
Derek saved me, he helped me, he believed in me.
00:48:15
So he going to be my friend, my BFF.
00:48:19
But the other girls, they just going to have to make some pie
00:48:22
or something that's not drugs. That's all I'm saying.
00:48:24
They're going to have to make this up.
00:48:26
So I find it funny talking about these friends.
00:48:29
I find it funny. That old girl, I can't think of
00:48:32
what her name was. She was the one who was talking
00:48:34
about. I've been best friends with her
00:48:36
since kindergarten. Debbie is her second best
00:48:38
friend. But if you notice, highly
00:48:40
gravitated towards Debbie Moore, like when when she was trying to
00:48:44
help them escape, she was Debbie, come here, Debbie, grab
00:48:48
my head. Like she really was around
00:48:50
Debbie Moore. So I I thought that was funny.
00:48:52
But yeah, they, they washed. They were.
00:48:56
I'm sorry I got to go also back to the beginning.
00:48:58
There's just little points. One I truly enjoy When Miss
00:49:04
Doctor K came to the news station and then they saw the
00:49:08
plan. I love a good plan display.
00:49:11
Just in the future, do not keep your plans displayed.
00:49:15
She. She made me freeze frame.
00:49:17
Yeah. Freeze framing, yeah.
00:49:21
And and it was exactly what everyone is doing.
00:49:24
Don't do that, you know, You know, just just in case.
00:49:27
Yeah, don't leave your homework out as the guy said.
00:49:29
He was like, Oh yeah. You know, you know, you know,
00:49:33
Wagner take over Vicki. He could just see the whole
00:49:35
plan. But that's neither here nor
00:49:37
there. But I love that the plan was
00:49:38
really written out with some arrows of who got to do what.
00:49:40
And then when you get here, you got to do this right here.
00:49:43
That was great. Second of all, Joyce, everyone
00:49:46
went and changed clothes for Battle and you kept on that
00:49:51
sweater from Season 1. But that's her lucky sweater,
00:49:54
Jackie. She was prioritized.
00:49:56
She was like, look, I don't give a damn what clothes I die in or
00:50:00
what clothes I fight in. I did she.
00:50:02
Put no battle gear she she has on the kids and the jacket from
00:50:07
season 1 and the. Axe, that's all that.
00:50:10
Which I don't really know how to use but I'm going to bring it.
00:50:14
For backup, you know what she had the axe.
00:50:17
That's all that was important and she did what she was
00:50:21
supposed to do in the end. So you know what let her wear
00:50:24
her let her wear what she want to wear.
00:50:26
Joyce was like, I'm not about to mess up my good clothes.
00:50:29
These clothes I've had for some years, they.
00:50:32
Well, they went and put on the gear that Murray brought, but
00:50:35
she wasn't entertaining that. It's just funny when they are
00:50:39
walking in a military gear and she got on the jacket from
00:50:42
season 1. What?
00:50:44
I wonder if Joyce was even supposed to go or if she just
00:50:48
decided at the last minute to go because Will was going.
00:50:51
She was like, you know what? Yeah, she was his backup.
00:50:54
She was his backup as he falls to the ground in a a trance and
00:50:57
everybody's fighting. She can do.
00:51:00
She rather planning on going into battle.
00:51:02
She was just there for Will. OK, yeah, She just didn't want
00:51:05
to change because that's just that mom.
00:51:06
Like I'm not changing. I don't, I don't blame.
00:51:10
I die. I die.
00:51:11
Does it matter? I'm even simple fatigued.
00:51:13
Right look as long as my as long as my underwear don't have holes
00:51:17
in it and and and I. Mean comfortable, I'm
00:51:20
comfortable. I'm trying to figure out why
00:51:22
this one has on the ghillie suit.
00:51:23
Like he's going to be crawling through the brush like a sniper.
00:51:27
Because you got to think about it, they don't know.
00:51:29
They don't know what the abyss is like.
00:51:32
So even just prepare. No, they they had.
00:51:35
OK, let's try this. Let's try this.
00:51:39
The clothes were thrown out on the ground.
00:51:41
He had to pick something. And then when you start looking
00:51:45
at what was leftover, you pick something that fits.
00:51:48
OK, He's short. I mean, that'll be me.
00:51:51
I have a weird outfit on. But that will be what was
00:51:53
leftover in the pile when we didn't get to go to JC Penney.
00:51:58
So see us at the Mall at the Star Court.
00:52:00
No. And and Nancy looking like
00:52:03
Rambo. You know what we don't?
00:52:08
Care because Nancy. Nancy got the MVP, right?
00:52:13
And she gets the MVP. Because Nancy was doing it all.
00:52:19
Right. And even as bait, she was going
00:52:21
to keep shooting to the bitter end until she got eaten.
00:52:25
Because I was, I was so worried about her when when she got
00:52:29
cornered in that little cavern. So.
00:52:32
She had nowhere else to go. Thankfully, Jonathan came
00:52:35
through with that flamethrower. I mean, with the.
00:52:37
Yeah, with the Because who? She had me worried.
00:52:43
Yeah, and Lucas is a good friend.
00:52:46
Lucas runs as fast as his his fastest, his slowest friend.
00:52:51
Yeah. Some of y'all going to get that
00:52:54
Lucas runs as fast as his slowest friend.
00:52:57
The others took off and you don't see who behind you because
00:53:01
you got just in case your friend falls.
00:53:03
Now, if Dustin didn't have a friend who stayed in his range,
00:53:08
yeah. He tried to rule out the way he
00:53:10
just put his hands up like. That point he.
00:53:13
He probably didn't think he could move that fast.
00:53:15
Yeah, I didn't think I would be able to too.
00:53:18
I would be like, I can't, right? I can't even gather myself but.
00:53:22
Thankfully, you have that athletic friend.
00:53:25
That stays that. But when I say it, I'm saying it
00:53:28
is a good thing. As in, yes, Lucas probably can
00:53:31
run fast, faster, he's athletic. However, he did stay where you
00:53:35
can still see everyone just in case someone needs help.
00:53:39
So he also gets an MVP. In the mind flare I know there
00:53:45
is some online discussions about why it was organic and not
00:53:50
smoke. That's where all the Demi
00:53:53
gorgons and Demi dogs and Demi bats went.
00:53:57
It made itself a physical form and only live faking the three
00:54:03
Demi dogs and three Demi gorgons.
00:54:08
OK. So that's that's it.
00:54:10
And that's why it looks all nasty and stuff.
00:54:12
Yeah, because if you even go by when when you go by the
00:54:15
beginning, when Henry first saw him, he's even different.
00:54:20
So he has evolved over time. And he tried the physical being
00:54:25
part in Season 3. It's disgusting.
00:54:29
Yeah, but that was. Remote control.
00:54:33
Right. So this time he's like, want to
00:54:34
try this so when we merge with Hopkins, I can go out there and
00:54:41
do what I need to do because he's made a gross.
00:54:45
Yeah, because he is. He got teeth everywhere.
00:54:47
Not the big teeth inside. He got little teeth on the
00:54:49
outside. So you can tell.
00:54:51
And where did he get all this organic material from?
00:54:55
Whatever was there. Right.
00:54:58
You know. I know as I'm saying, this all
00:55:00
became and that's disgusting. Yeah, it is.
00:55:05
I'm looking at it now. I'm looking at the the L fight
00:55:09
and Ellen Vechner fight on the inside is happening in the
00:55:12
background. It's just that thing is gross.
00:55:16
But that was the coolest interest though.
00:55:18
And she like, Oh my God, she's going to go through his mouth.
00:55:22
No, I'm going to go through his throat.
00:55:24
Yeah, she was. Like do a flip this up and take
00:55:28
Vechner down to the ground. I love it in one full swoop,
00:55:32
it's perfect. So shout out to the VFX team for
00:55:37
listen, this monster, this Kaiju is this amazingly beautiful and
00:55:44
disgusting at the same time. Yeah, and I was watching some
00:55:49
behind the scenes videos about just what went into making this
00:55:54
episode as far as the Canyon, the Mind Flayer, just all of
00:56:00
this stuff. So much of this is practical and
00:56:05
to see the the level of detail that they put into this thing, I
00:56:11
was like, you know what, they need to win the awards because
00:56:14
this thing is gross and disgusting and just amazing to
00:56:24
see that kind of work. Like I don't have that kind of
00:56:26
imagination. I don't have that kind of
00:56:29
creativity, so to see them put all that together and and and
00:56:33
to. Do the things that they do.
00:56:34
It was amazing. It was amazing.
00:56:40
Side note, just to be completely honest, completely honest, if
00:56:44
Ale had to do this by herself, it wouldn't have happened.
00:56:47
No, and and I'm glad. I hate to say that no, no, but
00:56:52
it's he needed the help like he is.
00:56:55
He can't he would overpower her again.
00:56:57
You know what I'm saying? So and kill her so I'm.
00:57:01
And you realize, like the last campaign that we're doing in the
00:57:05
D&D, the D&D thing was what happened here.
00:57:10
Like they were really done, like they were about to get killed
00:57:14
and she appears out of nowhere, conceives them.
00:57:17
Yeah, yeah, I like that. And then I thought it was kind
00:57:21
of cool. I think that was one of the main
00:57:25
things that I loved about this season as well, because again,
00:57:30
for so long everything has been on Ale.
00:57:33
Like, yeah, the others have helped her, but it's always been
00:57:37
about her and her powers. And so for them to come in, go
00:57:42
into the abyss, go to where, you know, they literally took the
00:57:46
fight to vetner instead of waiting for him to come to them,
00:57:50
they took the fight to him on his quote UN quote home turf.
00:57:55
They used guns, they used flamethrowers.
00:57:59
You know, we were, we were, we were laughing about the fact
00:58:02
that Nancy gave Mike a flare gun, but that flare gun came in
00:58:06
handy. You know, they all had equal
00:58:09
parts of doing this. And then when Elle is sitting
00:58:12
there trying to kill him, Vecna, and he almost gets her, then
00:58:17
here comes Will. Will is like, OK, look, we can I
00:58:20
can finally come in. I can take control of this and I
00:58:24
can do my part. It was it had to be all of them
00:58:28
together. And then it was Hopper and
00:58:31
Murray in the outside that everybody had to work together
00:58:35
because. If they didn't, if one piece was
00:58:39
missing, this wouldn't have worked.
00:58:42
And that's why the mind flair should have realized and Magnus
00:58:46
should have realized that too because that's season 3.
00:58:50
Season 3. They, they and I like that they
00:58:52
knocked it out with no power. So they all kind of work
00:58:55
together in solving this problem.
00:58:57
But Billy Oatmeal at the end sacrificed himself.
00:59:00
But they they did the same thing to it.
00:59:03
It is season 3 so you would think, but again, arrogance,
00:59:10
like they know how to work together without her.
00:59:13
And if when it's all with it's with her, it's even more
00:59:16
powerful so. And other than her, like the
00:59:20
other missing element in there too, basically confrontations
00:59:24
with Vickman and the monoflare was Will.
00:59:28
Will wasn't a part of any of it, and this time he was.
00:59:33
I thought that was a big deal. Too.
00:59:34
Oh yeah, that was because that ultimately got Vegna at the end.
00:59:38
Is Will being in there and and. See, he he had never been other
00:59:44
than the Demi Gorgons and, and, and Demi docks.
00:59:48
Well, the Demi Gorgons he's never had a confrontation with
00:59:52
Vegna or the Mind flare. So.
00:59:57
So I thought it was kind of cool.
00:59:59
Yeah, he did. When he did that first time and
01:00:03
realized. What did I say with them,
01:00:06
Gordon? No, when he got victims, when he
01:00:08
went. No.
01:00:08
Well, yeah, but I was just saying like.
01:00:10
He learned from that. He learned from that.
01:00:14
Yeah, so I just, yeah, I, I, I loved Will being able to come in
01:00:24
him, being able to connect and, and be like, look, I I'm not
01:00:28
afraid of you anymore. Matter of fact, we are not
01:00:30
afraid of you anymore, you know, because I think that was
01:00:33
something Vecna really needed to understand before he died.
01:00:39
Like, yeah, you thought you had us, but we're not afraid of you
01:00:44
anymore. And that's why we're about to
01:00:45
whoop your hands. You know.
01:00:49
And then everybody like also the amount of talking in this
01:00:55
episode, like people were really getting things off their chest
01:00:59
because you go in with the best plan, with the best intentions.
01:01:04
None of them knew if they were coming out of this, you know, so
01:01:08
you've had the the conversations prior to this particular episode
01:01:16
and then you have the conversations within this
01:01:18
episode and you just get to really see how much this group
01:01:23
means to each other. And I think that was also key.
01:01:28
The fact that Jonathan and and and Steve were kind of like, OK,
01:01:32
you know what? We don't like each other, but we
01:01:34
can be cool. We can, we can have this
01:01:37
discourse. We can talk about, you know, our
01:01:40
quote UN quote issues or what's not the issue anymore?
01:01:43
We can be. We can be.
01:01:45
Fool with each other the fact that Robin every time when she
01:01:48
when she left will when will was telling them to go and then also
01:01:54
when Nancy was using herself as bait the fact that she looked at
01:01:58
them like she was about to cry. She put her hand over her heart.
01:02:02
I was like, oh, Robin is like, these are my people now, you
01:02:06
know, because Robin is one of the newer people in there.
01:02:10
The fact that everyone had their confidence, everyone had their,
01:02:15
you know, nobody was scared going in this like they're
01:02:18
looking at this like, holy shit, what is this monster?
01:02:21
But OK, we need to do what we need to do to get rid of this
01:02:26
thing. We going to go in, you know,
01:02:29
both barrels. We're going to go in with our
01:02:31
sticks, we're going to go in with our slingshot, our flare
01:02:34
gun. They just went in.
01:02:35
They were like, OK, we can do it.
01:02:37
I need to know how the hell they got up on those cliffs that
01:02:40
fast, though. That is a good question because
01:02:44
yeah, y'all did some climbing there.
01:02:46
Yeah, but it's only four people had to climb.
01:02:49
This is true. This is true.
01:02:51
And who can climb? They they can climb.
01:02:53
Yeah. See, I was OK with the climb.
01:02:56
Yeah. Now what I'm not OK with is hey
01:03:00
we all we all the safety, the kids coming down the tower.
01:03:06
Y'all know how I feel about that that tower getting 12 kids down
01:03:10
the tower. However, I I peeped it out
01:03:12
earlier, the steps were small steps so they were able.
01:03:16
I thought it was bigger reaches when in volume 1 when they were
01:03:20
racing up the top but the stairs are you mean the?
01:03:24
Ladder. The ladder is a good, sorry, the
01:03:25
stairs. Sorry, ladder is a good distance
01:03:29
for smaller children. OK, well, I mean, they were just
01:03:34
kind of like, OK, you know what, We've had to deal with all of
01:03:38
this stuff. You know what?
01:03:39
I think a 500 foot ladder is going to be the least of our
01:03:42
problems. They're like, yeah, you know
01:03:44
what? We're just going to take this
01:03:45
easy. What Holly probably told them,
01:03:48
look, eyes on me. Don't look down.
01:03:50
Eyes on me. She probably went last.
01:03:52
Eyes on me. Just just.
01:03:55
Just just make it everyone. Oh, but you you talked about it
01:03:59
early with Joyce and like you were like, Oh my goodness, I was
01:04:03
so I was so like couldn't say anything because one how they
01:04:08
edited out the different things he has done to everyone.
01:04:12
And I was like, this is Violet. I mean, it was good, but it was
01:04:18
like like I just was speechless. And he was cutting his head off.
01:04:24
Yeah, because he was. Because he was.
01:04:26
First of all, he was over there. Yeah.
01:04:30
And he was saying that what he was actually trying to say in
01:04:34
that moment, that was like a human moment for Henry Creel.
01:04:38
He was looking at Joyce trying to say please don't, but yeah, I
01:04:44
mean. But it it was great.
01:04:46
But I'm just saying how you can get caught up in that scene and
01:04:49
not because of the flashes of what he did.
01:04:54
And then you start remembering and you're like, every hack was
01:04:58
like, yeah, for that person. Yeah, for that person.
01:05:01
Oh, my God, this is so violent and I love it.
01:05:03
So something's wrong with me. I.
01:05:05
Mean but not, he deserved it. Though I know I'm just saying
01:05:08
but not he deserved it. Yeah, Yep.
01:05:16
We got to talk about the fact that they got not one but 2
01:05:19
Prince songs in this episode. And it was so funny because I'm
01:05:26
sitting back there in my seat when they started playing
01:05:30
Windows cry. I literally pointed at Michelle.
01:05:33
I said you, I don't, I know you didn't hear me, but I was like,
01:05:37
you called it because we literally was talking about the
01:05:40
fact that they said that they got songs that had never been
01:05:43
licensed for TV before. And I think playfully one time
01:05:47
you were like, just give me some prints and I'll be good.
01:05:50
And I was like, wow, they actually got prints.
01:05:53
So those of us, Jen's DNA, we were we were already geeking out
01:05:59
when when doves cry, they're all in the truck.
01:06:02
They're they're happy, you know, they're, they're about to be,
01:06:05
you know, free. And then K, you know, she she
01:06:11
puts out the, the little spikes to deflate the tires and she
01:06:14
comes out and she tries to arrest them all or whatever.
01:06:18
And then when Elle pulls Mike into her mind and they start
01:06:22
playing purple rain. I was, I was like, wait, we got
01:06:26
windows cry and purple. I was like, wait a minute.
01:06:30
And then I thought about the fact that somebody posted a
01:06:34
couple of days before that like the most expensive TV shows made
01:06:40
this year. And I think Stranger Things 5
01:06:43
cost $400 million. I said 300 of that probably
01:06:46
went. To the Prince's state.
01:06:50
Shout out to them for for, you know.
01:06:55
Thank you, thank you. Because they don't license
01:06:58
Prince's songs for nothing. Yeah, because he did not.
01:07:02
He didn't, of course, say he didn't like.
01:07:03
That however. Probably wouldn't have been OK
01:07:08
with this either. I think he he, he probably would
01:07:11
think he, he, he probably would have that he would have for this
01:07:15
because it's iconic. So he will be OK.
01:07:17
He will be OK with that. But what's what gives me is what
01:07:20
people say. I thought it was a song that
01:07:22
wasn't licensed for it that's never been played on TV.
01:07:26
It has it's in purple rain. And then someone said, oh,
01:07:31
Jesus. And it was in the movie.
01:07:34
This is in the movie. It's not a movie.
01:07:35
This is television. It has not for anybody other
01:07:40
than the movie that it was in for that artist.
01:07:42
That it was written for or. Right.
01:07:45
But it's just funny, someone said it has been.
01:07:48
Oh my gosh, yeah. I I have seen a couple of
01:07:54
comments and things that I've looked at and I'm like.
01:08:00
Yeah, you. Yeah, just.
01:08:03
But sometimes I'm like, oh, maybe it's just, you know, you
01:08:06
know, trying to bait us in because I'm like, I'm so
01:08:08
confused. Yeah, I've been so OK, some
01:08:12
things like, and and I think also to some people it, it could
01:08:18
be a generational thing because I've I've also seen somewhere
01:08:21
where somebody was like, I don't see what the big deal is about
01:08:24
these. You don't get off my Internet if
01:08:26
you don't get off my timeline. How the fuck did you get here?
01:08:29
But I mean, it could be a generational thing as well,
01:08:32
because there are also some people who are like, OK, Max was
01:08:36
in a coma for 18 months. How did she graduate on time
01:08:39
with the rest of them? I'm like, you really mean to
01:08:41
tell me that this girl is friends with the four biggest
01:08:45
nerds in the school and you don't think that they helped her
01:08:48
get caught up and then and then and then also this is the 80s.
01:08:54
They actually went to summer school wasn't no credit
01:08:57
recovery. You actually went to summer
01:08:59
school? You were in summer school for 8
01:09:03
hours to to make up courses and then.
01:09:08
And then even Lucas said in the beginning when they were on top
01:09:11
of the school bus in season 2, like you're, you know, you're,
01:09:14
you're so smart, you're this and that.
01:09:16
So she's smart. I don't understand why people
01:09:19
think she's not smart. I'm confused on that too,
01:09:21
because that's another thing that's.
01:09:22
Wrong with C minus in physics but but she got AC minus in
01:09:28
physics in the They had to have been 8th grade because they were
01:09:32
in 10th grade when all of this took place, correct?
01:09:36
So that means she took it early. Right.
01:09:39
All right. OK.
01:09:39
I'm sorry. Right.
01:09:41
So yes, Max Mayfield had there. There was a very good
01:09:46
possibility that she did make up her credits or she made-up her
01:09:50
grade and was able to graduate on time.
01:09:52
And then probably make her do the electives that we just have
01:09:55
to do. And not only that, teachers in
01:09:59
the 80s, they probably helped her like, oh, you've been in the
01:10:02
hospital, We're going to help you.
01:10:05
They probably tutored her. They probably came out to tutor
01:10:08
her. Or she came.
01:10:09
There was also there was also during the time when we had you,
01:10:13
you either do college, college prep or general high school
01:10:18
diploma. And the general high school
01:10:20
diploma didn't require you to have as many credits as a.
01:10:23
Yeah, that part too, right? You think about it now, we go
01:10:27
through all the classes we took. We could have been done our
01:10:31
junior year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:36
So I'm just saying some people work, do work, study their
01:10:41
senior year. So like she could have been, she
01:10:44
could have even been the head. OK, let's try another thing.
01:10:47
She could have been the head 'cause she was coming from
01:10:48
California. So it could have been a little
01:10:50
bit more advanced than this school system could be.
01:10:54
That's why she had physics. Could be in the younger age so.
01:10:58
But we're just basically saying that there was, it's, it's not
01:11:04
entirely implausible that she graduated.
01:11:06
No, it's not. It it really isn't.
01:11:09
You would think. Lucas is not going to let her
01:11:10
graduate on time, that part. And then on top of that, Dustin
01:11:17
will, Mike, it'll be like, Oh no, come on, let's let's do
01:11:22
this. Let's let's let's get this
01:11:24
study. And then you think Nancy didn't
01:11:26
help like you help us break into Vecna's mind?
01:11:31
What do you need? You need me to write a paper for
01:11:33
you? It can happen.
01:11:35
It can happen. Not that she would need that,
01:11:38
but it can happen. They're saying, like, really?
01:11:42
Right, OK, we got to talk about the goodbye, Goodbye.
01:11:51
Goodbye. Which one?
01:11:55
I feel like I was watching Lord of the Rings with 20 different
01:11:58
endings. We got to talk about.
01:12:01
OK, let's see. Let's talk about L and Mike's
01:12:04
first. Oh, before we do the L and Mike,
01:12:08
goodbye. We.
01:12:10
Were watching it again and transparency.
01:12:16
I've watched a few videos on how L and Kylie pulled this off and
01:12:25
like I said, when I was watching it and Kylie was laying on the
01:12:30
floor, I was like, yeah, she she faking.
01:12:32
She ain't dead. She ain't dead.
01:12:34
She's going to help. I'll do all this.
01:12:36
So in the end I was not surprised how it how it looked
01:12:42
because first I was like first of all, if to me it felt like
01:12:46
I'll just disappeared off the truck when the truck got
01:12:49
stopped. But y'all keep telling me you
01:12:51
see her and she's just. You see her get off the truck?
01:12:54
Yeah. You can you see her get off.
01:12:55
The truck, I don't, I've seen it a few times.
01:12:58
I'm not freeze framing. Yeah, I'm going to tell you I'm
01:13:01
not going to. No, no and no without freeze
01:13:04
frame. Second of all, all the stuff is
01:13:07
flying by and she's not affected at all.
01:13:11
Why is she staying there at all #3?
01:13:15
Her nose isn't bleeding and she is communicating with Mike, so
01:13:20
that can't possibly be her real physical form right there.
01:13:24
Yeah, it's to me. And then the, I don't know, they
01:13:29
call it kryptonite, but I think they call it the hedgehog.
01:13:31
Whatever that thing is, they had like 8 of them around paying
01:13:36
there and she wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway.
01:13:39
No, no. So it just, it just seemed like
01:13:45
I just had a lot of questions where that's not her, that's why
01:13:52
I don't that's her. Jumping out the truck, that's
01:13:53
not her. That's.
01:13:54
Not her actually. Later later you see someone walk
01:13:58
by this time he had this head turn.
01:14:01
Keep keep playing. You'll see in the style of
01:14:03
soldier, you can't really tell if it's.
01:14:07
If it's her or not. If it's her or not, but either
01:14:10
way, she's not being affected by the thing.
01:14:13
Yeah, so I and I know they say they left it intentionally
01:14:18
vague, but it's too many things against that.
01:14:24
Like you sure there wasn't Robin that jumped down?
01:14:26
No, I mean. No, because because Elle has on
01:14:30
the water suit. People watching, right?
01:14:33
Right there. Oh, that was a soldier.
01:14:35
Never mind. Let's see.
01:14:36
That's why I. Don't.
01:14:36
Yeah. So she did jump down.
01:14:38
She did. And she did struggle.
01:14:41
And. And when she was invisible, she
01:14:42
struggled to get into the RadioShack.
01:14:45
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:47
Until she got underground and then that's when she was able to
01:14:49
connect with NO with MM. Yeah, Yeah.
01:14:57
Well. She had to tell Callie she was
01:14:58
ready. Well, yeah, that too, but it's
01:15:02
already there, yeah. No, but she had to tell Callie
01:15:05
she was ready. Yeah, 'cause Callie was on the
01:15:07
point about the die. Yeah.
01:15:08
With Callie, it was Callie with it.
01:15:10
She was holding it together. Yeah, yeah.
01:15:14
And then also cause 'cause at first I was looking at it like
01:15:18
the lab has already blown up, so how is cap?
01:15:21
How is the projection of L still there?
01:15:23
But I have to remember they're slowing it down for us so that
01:15:27
we can see the damage that's being done.
01:15:29
But that all literally probably happened within like a few
01:15:33
seconds and. And also watching it again, it
01:15:37
blew up the top of the lab. It didn't blew up the whole lab.
01:15:41
And remember, the lab is in the center of the wormhole.
01:15:46
So it's not going to be as affected that fast as the outer
01:15:49
parts. So it was the top of the lab and
01:15:54
Kylie was sort of near the they were near the bottom floors.
01:15:59
So it's possible she could have just not possible.
01:16:03
She was probably fine until the whole wormhole collapse because
01:16:07
remember it was in the middle. So anyway it's more evidence as
01:16:15
to that's what happened as opposed to Elle just standing
01:16:18
there while all this crap is flying by her and not being
01:16:21
affected and her nose not bleeding which is the most
01:16:25
telling aspect of it. And.
01:16:28
You know what, going back re watching it tonight when right
01:16:33
after she kicks Mike out of the out of her mind and they show
01:16:39
her, they make it a point right before she disappears to show
01:16:46
her face. And it's almost like she does
01:16:48
her face like this, like she raises it slightly
01:16:52
intentionally, and it's like to say, look, there's no blood.
01:16:58
And I was like, OK, so they basically right there was
01:17:02
telling us, yeah, y'all pay close attention.
01:17:05
But of course, the first time I watched it, I wasn't paying
01:17:09
attention to any of that. I was just in my emotions
01:17:12
because I'm like, they're about to kill ill.
01:17:14
Like she's about to sacrifice herself.
01:17:17
I'm. I'm sitting in my seat like Boo
01:17:20
hooing because, like I said, I'm already expecting that.
01:17:24
I I already expected L wasn't going to make it out of this
01:17:27
episode. I expected that with the last
01:17:29
volume. So I was already dealing with
01:17:35
that. And then Mike heard, you know,
01:17:37
trying to tell Mike you're, you're going to help them
01:17:40
understand the stuff. And Mike is like, no, because I
01:17:42
don't understand. And his despair.
01:17:45
And then when he, when he did that, please don't leave me.
01:17:47
I, I lost it. I was done.
01:17:49
I was like, OK, you know what? They're they're going to kill
01:17:52
her. And it's heartbreaking.
01:17:54
And I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff until the
01:17:59
graduation when the speaker did the feedback and he sat there,
01:18:04
he thought about it and they showed the, the kryptonite
01:18:08
things. And I was like, I was like, wait
01:18:13
a minute. And then of course, you know, at
01:18:15
the end when they're doing the DND and he starts explaining
01:18:18
what happens to all of their their characters and he talks
01:18:21
about the mage. I was like, OK, that's totally
01:18:25
plausible. The only thing I think that
01:18:30
bothered me about that was how would you know that Holly was
01:18:35
affected by the speech that Hopper gave to 11?
01:18:38
The only way I can think of is that Hopper may have told Mike
01:18:43
this is what I told her and blah blah blah.
01:18:46
Because other than that, how would Mike know?
01:18:50
You know, he talks about how the mage how the I forgot what you
01:18:54
word he used for Kali, but he was saying she was he was moved
01:19:01
by the words of the paladin to the mage and I was like, but how
01:19:06
would how would Mike how? Would you know?
01:19:08
Yeah. That's easy.
01:19:10
I'm saying, yeah, I'm saying yeah, that's what people, That's
01:19:15
why that's another thing that we are we we got to get a little
01:19:19
smarter with. Like there are conversations
01:19:21
happening again outside of what we see and they're the
01:19:27
conversations we do see. We they're asking us to make
01:19:31
those connections and I've learned in the last few weeks
01:19:35
since Thanksgiving that people are not making the connections a
01:19:41
lot of with with that. Yeah.
01:19:45
I also think, I think Hopper knows or suspects that she
01:19:54
survived. I feel like I feel like that
01:19:57
too. Because.
01:19:58
He's yeah, but he's never. Well, he ain't going to say
01:20:00
that, but he's well adjusted for.
01:20:04
I know he knows that she made her choice, but he would still
01:20:08
be devastated by it. But he seems to be really OK
01:20:11
with it. Especially watch him talk to
01:20:13
Mike about it. He so yeah, L made her choice.
01:20:16
Because of the conversation that they had when she was saying how
01:20:20
you're, you know, Sarah didn't have a choice, I have a choice.
01:20:23
You have to trust that I'm doing the right thing and if he sits
01:20:26
and think about it, it would be a better life than to be on the
01:20:29
run. So she actually, I'm saying that
01:20:32
I'm going to miss her, but she is doing the right thing and you
01:20:36
want your kid to be safe and have a peaceful and happy life.
01:20:42
That's the only way for her to have it.
01:20:43
And I think he knew when she gave him back the bracelet.
01:20:47
I think he, I think deep down he knew she wasn't coming back
01:20:53
either way. No, I was saying I think he
01:20:56
knows that she's still out there.
01:20:59
Yeah. Oh yeah.
01:21:01
But he's not going to look for her because he's.
01:21:02
Not going to look for her. He's not going to say anything.
01:21:04
He's not even going to say her name.
01:21:07
Because again, Doctor K could still have have them watch.
01:21:11
She could still be having them watch like, oh, you know, just
01:21:14
in case they may have planned this.
01:21:16
She may be in hiding. They may go look for her.
01:21:20
No, they're, they're going to be like, OK, you know what?
01:21:24
We're going to let her live whatever normal life she could
01:21:28
be living right now. We're just going.
01:21:30
To and he taught, he taught her enough survival skills to to be
01:21:34
able to make it on her own. Yeah, yeah, so but you do, I
01:21:41
mean, you do see that the sorrow and it's actually on that scene
01:21:45
right now my in my background. You do see where it it hurts
01:21:51
him, it affects him. But also, this is 18 months
01:21:54
later. I think he's probably had time
01:21:56
to go through all the stages of grief and be like, OK, you know
01:22:01
what? She really did make her choice.
01:22:04
And I'm OK with that. Because of the conversation that
01:22:08
they had, You know, Mike didn't get as much time with her as
01:22:12
Hopper got as far as because Hopper had not one but two
01:22:16
really good conversations with her before all of that happened.
01:22:20
Mike got what, maybe 2 minutes if that if.
01:22:24
That. If that so, and this is this is
01:22:28
somebody you've been in a relationship with for four years
01:22:32
and all you get to say goodbye is a a, a a a minute, a minute
01:22:37
and a half. Yeah.
01:22:38
So it's not out, you know, it, it, it's not surprising that
01:22:42
he's still having a hard time adjusting, you know, but
01:22:50
graduation day does. This tribute to Eddie was
01:22:54
amazing. He did.
01:22:57
Exactly what he did, exactly what Eddie said he would do.
01:23:01
When he finally gave the point across that stage.
01:23:04
And I love the fact that his Mama was like, yes, his Mama was
01:23:07
cheering him on. Like yes, yes, yes, but.
01:23:12
When the girl that turned Dustin down to the dance inviting him
01:23:16
to the party. Yeah.
01:23:18
I was like, no, he don't want to go to, he don't want to go to
01:23:22
your party now, which he probably would have if Mike
01:23:25
hadn't have been like, I got something better.
01:23:27
But I love the fact that when we when we introduced to those
01:23:32
characters, they're playing DND and then when we see them for
01:23:36
the last time, they're playing DND.
01:23:40
It's a nice little bookend. Some people did call that.
01:23:44
They said that, oh, we're going to see them play DND at the end
01:23:48
because the whole thing was a campaign.
01:23:51
Technically it kind of was a campaign.
01:23:54
It was just they were Larping. It was real, real life.
01:23:57
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, even with the stuff that they called
01:24:02
the the creatures all that comes from Dungeon and Dragons, you've
01:24:06
never heard becna call the monsters Demi Gorgons.
01:24:09
You never heard him refer to himself as Beckman because
01:24:12
that's not his name, you know, that's not the name he chose for
01:24:16
himself. That's the name that they gave
01:24:18
him based on what they were playing.
01:24:21
So yeah, in in a sense, it it makes sense.
01:24:24
It OK. I have not seen not one person
01:24:32
say this, so I'm going to say it.
01:24:35
I'm glad Ted Wheeler survived to see him there at the graduation
01:24:42
next to Missus Wheeler. I was like, yeah, I think I was
01:24:46
the only one in the theater who was like, yeah, Ted made it.
01:24:50
There's no nobody cares about this character.
01:24:52
And I'm like. I did say, oh Ted, there's.
01:24:57
So much disrespect towards Ted Wheeler, but that's OK.
01:25:01
We're glad you're alive, Ted. But let's see what else misses
01:25:10
Wheeler wearing her scars with pride.
01:25:12
I wonder what that conversation is like for her because, you
01:25:15
know, people don't know she got attacked by monsters.
01:25:18
So when people see that there, how did that happen?
01:25:20
What happened? How do you answer that question?
01:25:25
Because those are not just regular, oh, I was in a car
01:25:29
accident scars. But anyway.
01:25:36
There's a lot of strange things happening in, I guess Harkins
01:25:43
Strange things, Stranger things that that.
01:25:50
Stranger Things, yeah. Now, there are some things that
01:25:55
wasn't. I miss Murray, 'cause I know in
01:25:59
the car after we we can't, we were coming home.
01:26:02
I said, Oh my gosh, I hated that they didn't say or show Murray
01:26:06
at all, but I had missed him. He was at the graduation, so
01:26:10
that was my fault. Yeah, he said.
01:26:12
Thanks. To Mr. Clark.
01:26:13
Yeah, I totally missed him. So yes, so, but we don't know
01:26:20
what happened to, I think we kind of know what happened to
01:26:24
Max Mother maybe. I've seen theories that she may
01:26:30
have perished when the rift opened up.
01:26:32
Yeah, 'cause she will be at her house and that was right next to
01:26:36
Eddie's across. The street, yeah.
01:26:39
So it's. Possible.
01:26:41
Or, you know, I think I had this conversation on threads,
01:26:46
unfortunately, because they were, this is 1989 when they're
01:26:49
graduating, You know, Max's mom. We got to remember Max's mom was
01:26:53
a single parent. You know, Billy's dad left her
01:26:57
after Billy died. So she's there taking care of
01:27:00
Max, paying all the bills. I'm sure she probably still has
01:27:04
to pay bills. Now she's got to pay hospital
01:27:06
bills because your daughter was in a coma for almost 2 1/2.
01:27:09
I mean, for almost 2 years, you got hospital bills, you got
01:27:12
other bills. Her mom could just simply have
01:27:15
not been able to come to the graduation.
01:27:17
She probably had to work. It's not, you know, that wasn't
01:27:20
something that was out of, you know, the normal scope of things
01:27:25
for the 80s. There were a lot of parents who
01:27:27
had to miss things like that because they had to take care of
01:27:30
their families. They had to pay bills, you know.
01:27:34
Or she's dead. Or she went moved back to
01:27:36
California. Oh, she could have, but I mean,
01:27:42
who knows? I mean, I mean.
01:27:45
OK, we just watched. We just watched something where
01:27:48
I I know that kid was dying and they like they didn't want to
01:27:50
see their kid die so they just left the hospital.
01:27:53
That was a newborn infant. I don't care but.
01:27:57
I mean, some people are. If they told her that, that
01:27:59
there's no way she's coming back, she could move and just
01:28:03
check in with Lucas. Like you know how she, you know
01:28:06
how she's doing and stuff like that.
01:28:07
She could have left. But I doubt that because not
01:28:10
many people got out as quick as they needed to.
01:28:14
They got stuck there or you Right.
01:28:16
Or she died. Yeah.
01:28:18
So I would just prefer to think because I think Max has had
01:28:21
enough tragedy in her life as well.
01:28:23
I just prefer to think Mom had to work.
01:28:25
Mom's working double shift or she's working 2 jobs and she
01:28:29
just, she just couldn't make it. And you know.
01:28:32
That makes it really even worse. I think I'd rather her just pet
01:28:35
perished. But then there's the question of
01:28:40
who's taking care of her while she's there.
01:28:41
And that's, yeah, that that's a lot.
01:28:44
That's a lot. Well, the the I like how some
01:28:47
people say that she just ends up living with the with Lucas.
01:28:53
No, she, I, I would, I would think she would probably be
01:28:56
moved in with Joyce first. They don't have any room in the
01:29:01
cabin for for Will Hopper and. You really think a black mom is
01:29:07
about to let the girlfriend come live it?
01:29:09
No. Come on now.
01:29:12
Seriously. Really.
01:29:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not teenagers, not in the 80s.
01:29:18
Yeah, but then they will have rules.
01:29:19
But yeah, we have so many big people that did not be related
01:29:24
to anybody live with other people.
01:29:27
Come on now. Yeah, but we we do it for.
01:29:31
Yeah, we're still good for that though.
01:29:33
They I mean, they will have some rules, but we we good for that
01:29:35
though. You're not going to let someone
01:29:37
not have no place to stay? You know we don't I.
01:29:41
Know, I just don't see them letting the girlfriends stay.
01:29:45
They have rules now. They ain't closing doors now.
01:29:47
You know, we got rules, but we get around.
01:29:49
To leave the door open. 3 inches, right?
01:29:51
So, you know, and then they'll have Erica be the spy.
01:29:56
Yeah, that's true too. Let's see, let's see, let's see.
01:30:01
What else? What else?
01:30:01
What else? OK, let's talk about the let's
01:30:05
talk about the young folks. The the, the rooftop reunion.
01:30:11
Oh, first, before even that, the fact that Steve stayed in
01:30:15
Hawkins and became a sex Ed teacher and a Little League
01:30:19
coach is so on brand for him. And I love that for him.
01:30:24
I had told Michelle he was going to be a teacher.
01:30:28
I think I would, yeah. Yeah, his his track was become a
01:30:32
high school teacher and a coach. And I love that for him.
01:30:37
You know, the fact that teachers are very important in this
01:30:41
series. I I love that as well.
01:30:44
You know, Mr. Clark and the the counselor lady, I can't remember
01:30:48
her name right now, but yeah, Steve being a teacher, sex Ed
01:30:53
teacher, that that's so funny. He was like, yeah, I get these.
01:30:57
I get to teach them about the miracle of life and how not to
01:31:01
start it accidentally. And the fact that some of the
01:31:08
kids are on the the, the baseball team.
01:31:11
Derek is on the baseball team with him.
01:31:13
I I just love the fact that he's.
01:31:16
Tommy. Yeah, that he's still kind of,
01:31:18
you know, playing that mentor role or the quote UN quote
01:31:22
babysitter role as he's known for.
01:31:27
I saw a meme about that scene because you have all of them in
01:31:30
different places. Jonathan is in film school at
01:31:33
NYU. Nancy was at Emerson and then
01:31:38
she dropped out and she's now writing for a paper and Robin is
01:31:44
attending school at Smith. So they're all in three
01:31:47
different, I mean, four different locations.
01:31:50
And they make this plan to meet up with each other once a month
01:31:53
because they miss each other. You know, they're like, hey, I
01:31:55
miss this. I miss each, I miss us.
01:31:59
Let's just make plans. And I saw a meme that says those
01:32:01
of us who are adults know that this is never going to happen.
01:32:04
And it made me so sad because I was like, wow, that is true.
01:32:09
Because a lot of times we all say, OK, we're going to get
01:32:11
together every month and we're going to do this.
01:32:14
And it just never happens because life happens.
01:32:18
So sad. But also people were talking
01:32:21
about the fact that they were like, can we have the 80s back?
01:32:24
Because Steve is talking about he's almost close to being able
01:32:28
to afford a home in a good neighborhood on a teacher's.
01:32:33
Like on a Yeah, on a coach's salary.
01:32:35
On a coach's salary, Like, can we have those prices back?
01:32:42
Jonathan and his film school career, I don't know how that's
01:32:48
going to go. The anti capitalist Hannibal,
01:32:51
The more she eats, the hungry years she gets.
01:32:54
The I don't know how that's going to go, but.
01:32:58
I would watch it, it sounds interesting.
01:33:02
I will say this though, I don't think Jonathan and Nancy's story
01:33:05
is over. Just giving the vibes from that
01:33:10
rooftop conversation. The way they kept looking at
01:33:12
each other, I don't think that story is quite over for them.
01:33:16
They may be one of those couples that kind of spend a couple of
01:33:19
years apart and then find their way back to each other.
01:33:23
That's that's my head cannon. That's that's what I'm going
01:33:26
with. Apparently Vicki is still in the
01:33:30
picture for Robin, but she's an overbearing partner, which I was
01:33:35
like, oh, that's kind of telling, but I don't know.
01:33:40
They still. Together, to be honest with you.
01:33:43
The the overbearing partner part, I think that's what
01:33:46
everybody kind of gathered because they realized that Vicky
01:33:49
is a bit, she has a lot of anxiety and then after
01:33:53
everything that happened at Hawkins, she probably is a bit
01:33:57
overprotective. And probably when Robin was
01:34:00
like, oh, the kids are graduating, I'm going back to
01:34:03
Hawkins. Vicky probably gave her hell
01:34:05
about it. They're not coming back.
01:34:09
I mean it, it kind of tracks. Yeah, I I tracked it as in she
01:34:14
was and she's not anymore, but OK, maybe they're still
01:34:18
together. They might be so glad to see
01:34:22
that Joyce and Hopper finally made it to Enzo's, and
01:34:25
apparently are there kind of regularly, because the maitre-d'
01:34:28
came over was like Chief Byers. Chief Chief Hopper misses Byers,
01:34:33
it's good to see you again. I was like, obviously I'm making
01:34:36
Enzo's a regular thing, huh? But how did Joyce not know or
01:34:40
not realize that Hopper was about to propose when he ordered
01:34:44
wine and caviar? Joyce, I need you to pick up on
01:34:50
the context. Please read the.
01:34:52
Room. Let's graduate the room.
01:34:54
He he he said that real good. It's graduation, you know, you
01:34:58
should be proud. I love the memes when they said
01:35:01
she has two sons. Yeah.
01:35:07
Watch out. Funny, they're just making a
01:35:10
joke about Jonathan, not really. Leave Jonathan.
01:35:15
Alone we will not tolerate. Everybody knows Jonathan was
01:35:19
Lonnie's kid. Come on now.
01:35:22
Right. Right.
01:35:24
Because you are. You are quick to throw Jonathan
01:35:26
out there to do stuff, too. Jonathan, you can do it.
01:35:31
We'll be right. I can't.
01:35:32
I'm just riding in the car listening to a radio.
01:35:34
No, you stay here. Yeah.
01:35:37
Will, Jonathan, you go? Yeah, Mom, I just want to go
01:35:41
down the street. No, Jonathan, go pick it up.
01:35:44
I mean, you can't blame her for being overprotective.
01:35:48
We'll say I could. I could probably run the thing.
01:35:50
And she's like, hey, Jonathan, do it.
01:35:55
We can't blame her for being over.
01:35:57
I'm just glad that she got out of that.
01:36:00
Jonathan, he rolled with. He's like I.
01:36:03
Guess like, I mean, you know, mom, can I go get some milk from
01:36:09
the corner store? No, Johnson can do it.
01:36:11
Hey, did you know that that they were moving to where Percy
01:36:14
Jackson is Monta? OK.
01:36:19
But there was, there's some other cultural significance
01:36:22
about Montauk because I see, I keep saying people reference it
01:36:26
and I'm like it sounds familiar, but I don't think I'm familiar
01:36:30
with whatever the reference. It's about the research.
01:36:33
And that's what they were going to name the show.
01:36:38
Oh yeah, that's right. That's right.
01:36:41
That's right. It was.
01:36:42
It's by the lab and research. Yeah.
01:36:46
Bad experiments, but that's also what they were.
01:36:48
Name the show. So I don't know if that's where
01:36:51
Harper actually wants to go, but I mean, they offer him a 20%
01:36:56
raise to go be the police chief there something.
01:36:59
'S happening. That could be where the spin off
01:37:01
is. Right, that's what I was going
01:37:03
to say. That could be one of the spin
01:37:04
offs. Montauk.
01:37:08
No, I think. I think the the moment Hopper
01:37:11
sees something funny happening in that time, he's going to tell
01:37:13
Joy as well. You know what?
01:37:15
That was fun. Time to go back to Hawking.
01:37:18
At least we know the danger there is quilled.
01:37:21
Yeah, I I don't think, I think Hopper now has gotten too old to
01:37:26
deal with this shit. He's going to be like Riggs and
01:37:30
what's his name? I'm too old for this shit.
01:37:33
I just want to go and just relax and be with my honey and not
01:37:38
have to worry about demogorgions and Russians.
01:37:42
And he's just like, he don't want to do none of it.
01:37:45
I just want to go live a nice, quiet life.
01:37:50
He deserves it. They all deserve it at this
01:37:53
point. But what else was good the last
01:38:01
D&D game? Seeing the characters or seeing
01:38:05
the actors basically say goodbye to their characters by putting
01:38:08
their D&D books on the shelf and walking up the stairs.
01:38:12
That was heartbreaking. But then you get that, You get
01:38:17
the you're kind of relieved of the heartbreak by Holly and her
01:38:22
friends coming down and getting ready to start their own DND
01:38:26
thing. That was very sweet.
01:38:28
And I love the way that Mike just kind of looked at them
01:38:31
like, OK, yeah, this is how it's supposed to be.
01:38:34
You know the. New generation.
01:38:36
Yeah, 'cause I mean, you had, you had told Holly you was going
01:38:40
to give her her little Holly, the heroic thing.
01:38:43
And now here she is, she's leading her her own friends.
01:38:47
What was it? It was the other girl, not
01:38:52
Debbie. What was the other girl's name?
01:38:55
I can't remember. And then Josh, the one she had
01:38:58
the crush on. And then delightful Derek.
01:39:01
I was like, OK, this is cool. I like this.
01:39:06
He said Derek was sitting next to Holly at the graduation.
01:39:09
Yeah, I I like that too. Just like, you know, y'all,
01:39:13
y'all were kind of mortal enemies at 1st and now y'all
01:39:17
seem like y'all are the best of friends.
01:39:19
So I like that. I like that that that Derek is
01:39:22
part of the group now. But yeah, I was, I was very
01:39:29
happy with the way they ended this.
01:39:31
I love that they kind of gave us closure on everybody and the
01:39:36
closure made sense it. Was a It was a very satisfying
01:39:42
ending. Yeah, yeah.
01:39:45
And I was just even even the whole thing with Elle, because
01:39:49
if she had died to protect everybody else and to make sure
01:39:54
that, you know, the experiments would not continue on in the
01:39:58
future, I would have been OK with that because it would have
01:40:02
been a noble sacrifice. However, Mike's version of what
01:40:07
happened, I like that even better.
01:40:11
I like the fact that she's just out there in the world.
01:40:15
Living her life. I love the fact that she still
01:40:19
probably has her powers, you know, if she ever needs them,
01:40:24
that she can use them, but that there's not anything in her life
01:40:29
that requires her to. I like the fact that she can
01:40:32
probably be at peace knowing her friends are safe because I mean
01:40:36
honestly, if she wants to know how her friends are doing, all
01:40:39
she has to do is go, you know, do the whole bad thing with the
01:40:43
radio and just kind of dip in their heads and be like hey
01:40:47
y'all OK OK cool. You know, yeah.
01:40:49
But then that that becomes no. And they would never know she
01:40:53
was there. Yeah, but you don't want to.
01:40:55
Yeah, no, you don't want to. But I like the fact that if she
01:40:59
needed to that she can do that just kind of dip and be like,
01:41:03
oh, OK, you good? All right, let me go.
01:41:05
You know, she's not completely cut off from them, not in the
01:41:09
way that they are cut off from her.
01:41:12
So hopefully they get to they get to move on and have some
01:41:17
good things. I love the fact that Lucas and
01:41:20
Max finally went on their movie date.
01:41:23
I love the fact that Will is in what looks like New York and
01:41:27
he's getting to live his best gay life and Dustin is going to
01:41:33
school and. Someone said he was in San
01:41:36
Francisco. Oh.
01:41:38
That could be too, but I where is.
01:41:42
Montauk, I can tell. Where is Montauk?
01:41:44
Montauk, I think, is closer to the East Coast, and Hopper said
01:41:48
we'd still be close to the boys, so that's what makes me think he
01:41:52
was probably in New York. Yeah, me too.
01:41:55
The San Francisco is all the way across the country.
01:41:57
And as much as I'm sure Will wants to get away from Hawkins
01:42:01
and probably live his own life, I don't see him moving that far
01:42:04
from Joyce and Jonathan or from the rest of the guy the rest of
01:42:09
the game. But, yeah, Dustin is off at
01:42:15
school and Steve is coming to pick him up to hang out.
01:42:19
And he still, you know, it's only a hour away from his mom.
01:42:22
His mom was tripping me out the way she was sitting there
01:42:25
crying. He was like, mom, I'm only going
01:42:27
to be an hour away and I'll come and visit you every chance I
01:42:31
get. And I'm going to call you so
01:42:32
much. You're probably going to want to
01:42:34
take care. You're probably going to want to
01:42:37
change your phone number. OK.
01:42:39
Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, that's this
01:42:43
Mommy. I I like her.
01:42:44
But yeah, I was. I was very satisfied with the
01:42:51
way that they ended this kind of Want to know what happened to
01:42:55
Doctor Kane after she lost her her focus, because now 11 is
01:43:00
gone. She hasn't.
01:43:02
She has nothing now. She has no lab.
01:43:05
She has no no blood samples. I saw somebody else.
01:43:09
They were like, Oh my God, did that when when they collapsed
01:43:13
the upside down. Does that mean that they killed
01:43:15
all the pregnant women? The pregnant women were dying
01:43:18
anyway. They probably.
01:43:19
Yeah, I saw that too. They just left all those
01:43:21
pregnant women they were. Dying and they it it was
01:43:25
probably they probably put them out of their misery because they
01:43:30
were given that. I don't want to say tainted
01:43:32
blood, but it was whatever, you know, Ace blood wasn't helping
01:43:36
them. It was killing them, killing
01:43:38
their unborn children. And even if they had saved them
01:43:42
and brought them stateside or or right side upside, those doctors
01:43:49
wouldn't know how to fix that because they don't know what the
01:43:52
cause of it was. So yeah, they probably did them
01:43:58
a huge favor. But yeah, I'm so sad it's over
01:44:06
though. I feel like, I almost feel like
01:44:11
we could have gotten one more season.
01:44:13
They could have done some other stuff.
01:44:14
But I think, I think they did a good job wrapping it up.
01:44:17
They did a good job, especially with Vechner's character.
01:44:22
They they gave us everything they could with that character.
01:44:29
And five seasons is the sweet spot for for a really good
01:44:34
series. Yeah.
01:44:36
Yeah. Most seasons start hitting it
01:44:37
down downward slope after that fifth season.
01:44:40
Like Supernatural. You know what, I knew you were
01:44:42
going to mention that, but Supernatural came back and they
01:44:45
had a great end run so. Whatever.
01:44:47
And The thing is this this could have been more seasons, but they
01:44:50
had too many breaks in between. Yeah.
01:44:55
And it and it's Brexit. They can't do anything.
01:44:57
Yeah. Breaks we can't do anything
01:44:59
about can't do anything about. Kobe can do anything about the
01:45:01
right strike. So that just.
01:45:03
Yeah, you know, yeah. But it was, it was good because
01:45:08
even like some people were like, oh, Wagner didn't.
01:45:10
We didn't get much of Wagner this season.
01:45:14
I'm like, but we got a lot of him last season.
01:45:17
So this is the right amount. Yeah.
01:45:21
And we did. Get Wagner.
01:45:22
We just got a different version of him.
01:45:23
We got a lot. No, just like they said more,
01:45:26
but because it's too many cast members, they needed more.
01:45:28
But like there's no you don't need more.
01:45:31
It wasn't about him again. Yeah, it's a coming up age story
01:45:36
about four boys that was in a basement Plan D.
01:45:41
Oh, thank you. I'm glad you had the plan, D&D.
01:45:44
When I said four boys in the basement.
01:45:45
Yeah, coming base story 4 boys in the basement, that's a
01:45:48
totally different story. What we can.
01:45:52
Do playing D&D and using D&D to deal with trauma.
01:45:58
Real world monsters, yeah. Yeah.
01:46:04
But that there is going to be a animated series that's coming
01:46:10
out this year. It will, from what I understand,
01:46:14
it will cover the same time period, but it will be different
01:46:19
characters. So it won't be our core group.
01:46:23
It'll be different characters and I think it'll be talking
01:46:27
about things that happen in between the events of Stranger
01:46:32
Things. So I probably will check that
01:46:36
out. I think I've heard something
01:46:38
about one other spin off, but I, I don't know if that was true or
01:46:42
not. Kind of like you, Michelle, I'm
01:46:45
I'm trying to go through all of the noise that's online now to
01:46:51
see what's real and what's not. And I think right now like I'm
01:46:54
going on YouTube, I'm reading or not reading.
01:46:57
I'm watching a lot of the cast interviews and now that we've
01:47:02
discussed this, I'm going to go and watch like a lot of the
01:47:05
Duffer Brother interviews to see what they're saying about it.
01:47:09
Because I know that there have been some questions about like
01:47:15
Elevens ending and whether or not that was real or whether or
01:47:22
not it was just made-up and they've left it kind of
01:47:26
ambiguous. They're like, yeah, you know
01:47:28
what? We just kind of leave it up to
01:47:31
the reader how or the, the watcher, however they want to
01:47:35
interpret that. And again, like I said, I, I, I
01:47:38
like Mike's version. It does make a lot of sense.
01:47:41
So. And it need to be that way out
01:47:43
there. Yeah, yeah.
01:47:45
It just needs to stay that way. But no, it's just this.
01:47:52
This was this was right. This felt right.
01:47:56
Yeah, who's right? These kids putting their
01:47:59
notebooks up on the shelf in their faces.
01:48:02
They are killing me. Especially not just full
01:48:08
breakdown. Love it, love it love it love
01:48:13
it. I don't know if there's anything
01:48:17
else to say. Did we talk about all the points
01:48:21
that we wanted to talk about? I know there was a lot that
01:48:23
happened in this episode, but also, I don't want to just
01:48:27
regurgitate what everybody else is saying.
01:48:29
But I mean, it was, it was damn near a perfect series finale.
01:48:37
And after the disappointments of like Game of Thrones or even for
01:48:43
me more recently, The Umbrella Academy, I I'm so glad that they
01:48:47
did it this way. And I'm so glad that it hit all
01:48:50
the right notes. And yeah.
01:48:54
Yeah, it did. And it it this, this was it.
01:48:58
It didn't need to be anything else.
01:49:01
No. You guys have any final final,
01:49:07
final thoughts about Stranger Things?
01:49:09
This was a very satisfying series.
01:49:12
I like shows that have clear beginnings, middles and endings
01:49:17
and and this was good. I mean, there have been some
01:49:21
series finales that have been quite disappointing.
01:49:25
Why? The few where they've made some
01:49:28
stupid choices on characters and stories.
01:49:32
But I think the Duff brothers really did a really good job of
01:49:35
wrapping this up. Yeah.
01:49:38
And and it was, it was pretty good.
01:49:41
Yeah. I think the other thing, yeah, I
01:49:46
think the other thing that that I really thought about as far as
01:49:49
the ending, because again, a lot of talk has been kind of
01:49:55
comparing the way that they ended this versus the way, let's
01:49:58
say, Game of Thrones ended and how dissatisfied people were
01:50:00
with that. And then like I mentioned, also
01:50:03
Umbrella Academy. I think the other important
01:50:06
thing too is that Stranger Things was an original concept
01:50:12
from start to finish. It wasn't based on a book
01:50:16
written by someone else. It wasn't based on any other
01:50:19
Canon. So I think the fact that they
01:50:24
created this, that they executed this, that they were involved
01:50:28
start to finish is one of the reasons why it was so clear, it
01:50:33
was so detailed, and why they were able to end it the way that
01:50:39
it should have ended. When you have other shows that
01:50:42
are based on books or adaptations, it can kind of get
01:50:48
murky because you have to think about the original Canon and how
01:50:53
that may or may not end, especially if it's if it hasn't
01:50:57
ended yet. Similar to the Outlander is
01:51:00
another one. We don't know how that final
01:51:02
season is going to be because those books are still being
01:51:05
written and we know that the show is not going to incorporate
01:51:09
what's in the final book. But I think that was one of the
01:51:12
good things about Stranger Things.
01:51:15
You know, a lot of times we complain about the fact that
01:51:18
there aren't a lot of original ideas out there, like everything
01:51:22
is a remake, everything is a reboot.
01:51:25
And the fact that this was original, I think it's one of
01:51:29
the things that made it good because we didn't have any
01:51:33
expectations for it. We were able to just kind of
01:51:36
watch it and enjoy it for what it was and, you know, just
01:51:40
really become a part of the story without worrying about how
01:51:43
it was told here or how it was done there.
01:51:47
So but. It's over.
01:51:55
Yeah, it's over. It's done.
01:51:58
Yeah, I'm not going to lie, has consumed my month.
01:52:02
Just your month, Michelle. Yes, start.
01:52:06
Yes, from starting from, from volume 1.
01:52:10
I mean, that's the only thing I've been watching for a month.
01:52:12
Yeah, but you, you. Every day.
01:52:15
She was doing conjuration panels before that.
01:52:19
Yeah, but that was that. But I wasn't like every day I'm
01:52:23
watching re watching, watching different episodes, listening to
01:52:30
Lore, listening to recaps in a nice soothing voice to go to
01:52:35
sleep on. This has been every day since
01:52:37
Thanksgiving. I mean, I don't, I don't, I
01:52:39
don't know how to explain waking up in the middle of the night,
01:52:42
hearing about Steve. It's just, it's just.
01:52:47
And if I have to hear, I'm like Lucas, if I have to hear running
01:52:52
up a hill one more goddamn time, you just make it up a hill.
01:52:59
I need to make it up here. That's all I need to know.
01:53:02
I don't want to hear no more. I really don't.
01:53:06
Well, you know, there's. So I'm good and you know, and I
01:53:09
love how I love everyone's little ending.
01:53:13
I like how Max was telling the story.
01:53:14
So I can imagine remember because I told you that details
01:53:17
and it was exactly right. Lucas and Max go off, they
01:53:22
discover love. They have multiple children.
01:53:25
Dustin goes to school, he going to be a professor.
01:53:29
They're gonna hang out with Steve and they're gonna camp.
01:53:32
Cause Steve, I get away from all his kids, his six Nuggets.
01:53:36
Yeah, yeah. And he thought he had.
01:53:39
A. Camp, but I didn't have Yeah, he
01:53:42
did. That's why I said you go
01:53:43
camping. MM becomes a best selling
01:53:47
author. I didn't have a story for Mike,
01:53:49
so I like the story they created for Mike.
01:53:51
I can see that he's a storyteller.
01:53:54
He writes stories, Yeah, but I feel bad again for his wife.
01:53:59
That's all I have to say. Yeah, 'cause you know how we say
01:54:06
Will, You know, like, we we glad that Will has discovered
01:54:11
himself. He's not a victim anymore.
01:54:13
Like Will has a bright future. Mike has a bright future.
01:54:17
But Mike is, is different. Yeah.
01:54:22
And everyone else will remember and and move forward.
01:54:27
Mike is going to move forward, but he's going to move forward
01:54:30
in a different type of way. It's going to look different on
01:54:32
him and that's the same. He's going to still be sad.
01:54:37
That's why I'm not being funny. That's why his his wife is not
01:54:41
going to understand sometimes where she's be like where are
01:54:44
you? Well, you know, he might just
01:54:45
grow up to be a bachelor, be like, you know what?
01:54:48
I'm just not going to do this. I'm just going to write my
01:54:50
stories and I'm just going to hang with my friends and.
01:54:54
Because he he, he's not going to be able to commit to anyone.
01:54:57
Long term, yeah. Yeah.
01:55:01
When you're that young and someone changes your life in
01:55:03
that way, it's hard It It's going to be hard to move on,
01:55:06
especially if you always have it in the back of your mind that
01:55:09
she's still out there. Yeah.
01:55:11
So, you know, let's hope he goes on vacation one day, see some
01:55:16
waterfalls, meets, meets one of the local girls who happened,
01:55:21
who just happens to be her going by a different name.
01:55:24
And maybe they can, you know, have their happily ever after.
01:55:28
But it'll, it'll be some, it'll be some years down the road, you
01:55:32
know, give Doctor K time to either die or decide that she's,
01:55:36
oh, you know what? The the girl is gone there.
01:55:40
There's no chance to take all the surveillance off of them.
01:55:44
So yeah, that's, that's my head cannon.
01:55:47
So yeah. So.
01:55:50
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01:55:55
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