#strangerthings #strangerthings5 Will's confidence in his new abilities is shattered after a confrontation goes wrong. Holly discovers a secret as she and Max attempt an escape. Dustin and Steve air their grievances. Kali informs Eleven of Dr. Kay's plans. Jonathan and Nancy decide on their future. An attack reveals an unlikely hero and a long overdue reunion. The gang develops a plan to bring down Vecna for good. Will unburdens himself to prepare for battle. Vecna puts his plan into action.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Michelle and we are discussing Stranger Things
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Season 5 Volume 2. We are almost at the end y'all.
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We almost made the. Final countdown.
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And I think we have had we have had several conversations.
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I told Anthony Michelle today I need to just carry my mics
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around with with us when we hang out because we literally sat at
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Outback today having lunch and discuss Stranger things for
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almost an hour. But we were like, wait, we got
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to save it for the podcast. But I think we'll be good,
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right? Yes, we'll be.
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Good. Yeah, like, like they told me
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you could talk about this all day.
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All day, baby, all day, all day. We'll, we'll see.
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Because between the things that actually happened, between the
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things we're seeing online, the discourse, between the different
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theories, I just, there's, there's a lot going on.
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There's a lot. So let's get into volume to 3
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episodes, episodes 5-6 and seven.
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Where do we want to start 'cause I'm like, I don't even know.
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There's, I think we should just pick a character and talk about
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what happened to that character. Because of course, again, if
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you're listening to this, we're assuming that you're caught up.
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So we don't need to do like full recaps.
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We just really need to talk about what's going on with these
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characters. Yeah, 'cause if if you're
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listening to this, you have seen it already.
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You have to. You have to.
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You you have seen the. If not.
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Spoilers. Yeah, definitely spoilers and we
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will be very cognizant of not saying anything.
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Me and Anthony will say nothing about the play and its relations
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to what is happening because Hanukkah don't know and some of
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you don't know so will not. I think it's like less than 1%
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of the the audience watching has seen the play.
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Right. But then there's some I haven't
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seen the play, but by product, I have seen the play through many
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deep dives on YouTube's of people talking about the play.
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And I can tell you from the curtain opens what happened to
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the curtain closes. But I hadn't been there.
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But I'm going to keep that to myself.
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The only part I know about is when Jamie Campbell showed up on
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stage. And I had not that surprised a
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whole lot of people. They were excited about that.
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OK, so let's go with the main person.
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Let's go with Will. Let's just jump in.
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Let's talk about Mr. William because 2-3 big things happen in
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this Volume 3. Just say this for Will this
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season, I feel like his character is really, really
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getting to do some deep stuff. And I'm glad because he's been
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on the like he's been the main, the main focus of the show for
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so long, but he's also been a sideline character for so long.
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Like I think we talked about this in the last volume.
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He's always been the victim and not really able to kind of be
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out there really doing things. So to see him this season, kind
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of own who he is and come into that confidence, coming to that
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strength to see his friends really have some confidence in
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him, to see his mother have some confidence in him and for him to
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do the shit that he did in his volume.
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Applause for Mr. William Byers. I totally agree.
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However, before we get deep in what he did, however, coming off
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of volume one, I was so hyped, like, OK, Will is like he gonna
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be that no limit soldier, like he is ready, like nothing's
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gonna bother him. And then we we did still have a
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little bit of old Will, but we still look look crying and
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stuff. And I'm like, Nah, Will, you
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don't need to cry. You don't need to.
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I mean, I'm just saying it was funny because I'm a crier.
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I I trust me, it's growing pain. But I I was like, no, you don't
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cry, boy. You just stand up.
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You did great. Keep going.
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And my favorite, my favorite is when he got back into the hive
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mind and fully like, I mean, he did it though.
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Yeah. He really did it with Vegna.
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Now Vegna pushed him out his brain quickly, but it was a
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struggle for Will. But Will did it.
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I'm just was. So that was amazing and I want
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to see a little bit more of that in Volume 3.
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And. You know what?
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And this my comment is not about Will specifically is tangential
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to Will is Joyce because Joyce went from one extreme to the
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other where she went from, you know, protect.
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We'll we'll guys stay with me. Bye bye to like, OK, we'll kill
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Vechner. And it was like, wait for it was
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sort of jarring for her to go so far to the extreme for me.
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I'm not saying it was a big problem, but it was just one of
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those things where she had been so protective of him, so
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sheltering of him that when and she realized maybe she needed to
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let go, she she didn't just let go.
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She just kind of pushed him to this thing.
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And I don't know if it's because we watch a lot of this stuff or
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I watch a lot of this stuff. You know, he's not ready.
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Like he just figured out what he can do and the first thing you
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want to do is invade vacant his mind and kill him.
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Victoria has been doing this thing for 50 years.
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So. That that means she like, even
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though it was jarring for you, that is exactly right because
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she we went from that mom where you like, oh shit, my kids
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constantly getting beat up, like I got to protect them to oh,
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like they can do some things. I got plans.
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Yes, this is what you you can do this.
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You can do this. I'm right by your side.
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I believe in you. You got this.
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She turned into like a soccer mom.
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Real. Quick.
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I won't even say it's real quick.
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I'm kind of in between both of you guys.
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Like, I'm glad that she's finally on board and that she's
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giving that she's telling Will that she has confidence in him.
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I do feel like it was also kind of a whiplash moment.
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But I also think she's paying a lot of attention to Hopper and
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the way he is with Elle. And I think she sees a lot of
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what she's doing with Will and, and, and what Hopper is doing
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with Elle. And it's like, as parents, we
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can treat our children one way and not see the way that we're
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treating them or how what we're doing to them might be
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detrimental to them. But when we see other people do
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it to their children, we see other people have that same
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behavior. And we're cognizant enough to
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recognize and be like, oh, wait, I do that, too.
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I think at this point, she probably really was looking at
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the situation like, OK, Will just showed us that he has the
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ability, that he has the power, that he has the heart to do.
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And this is what Will was telling her in Volume 1.
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And I think at this point, she realizes, OK, you know what?
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If we're going to beat him, we're going to need everything
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that everything that we can throw at him.
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And we I I'm sorry, as a parent, you can't expect the other man's
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child to do all the heavy lifting when you see that your
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child is capable of doing something right.
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And then you get hyped, like Hanukkah said, in a better way.
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But you get hyped like, you know, when you have what all of
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us, I think the ones who have kids and you see your kid do an
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actual talent. And at first you'd be like,
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yeah, I don't really know. Like, OK, not really sure how to
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it's going to go. And then you see like, well,
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damn, they really good. OK, Like I'm all for it.
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And that's how and Pete could be completely honest.
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What ends up happening if this was if this continues on and he
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has to continue using his powers, he's going to get tired
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of it. And she's going to be like, hey,
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use your powers to mow the yard. Hey, use your powers to pay the
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bills. And he was like, OK, because we
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get so hyped up and then so consumed that we're not thinking
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like she is consumed. Like everyone is hyped about him
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being a sorcerer. I saw it.
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He can do it. And she not thinking like that
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boy just learned how to do it. Like you took the training
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wheels off and now nearly you're like doing 30 mile cross
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country. Oh, you can do this.
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Please go kill him now and end this.
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I think that's really where her focus was.
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She was like, oh, she's hyped. Yeah, it should be done with it.
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There's no doubts that your kid could do it now.
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But realistically, in real life, we get so hyped about our kids
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doing something, we kind of miss the fact that he he couldn't do
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it. I I get that.
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I'm just saying maybe a little bit of thought, you know, if
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not, it's not, it's not that she took the training wheels off.
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She just handed him the bike with no training wheels and said
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go. Right.
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And and I understand the hype, I get it, but I'm just saying my
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issue a little. More cautious.
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You you send her, you send him. You basically are telling him to
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go fight someone using a power that.
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Level 3. Level three person.
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Literally just picked it up like.
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You didn't even train like a training montage.
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Nothing. He's like, OK, he's going to go
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in. He's going to infiltrate.
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Victor's mind is. Mind you, Victor has killed
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dozens of people. Yeah, and I get it.
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Yeah. You send him out he's and you
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literally think he created the upside down.
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This guy has he's like a level 10 and you you're sending a
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newbie after. Right.
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Yeah, but I I just need it for her to just, I understand the
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enthusiasm. I just maybe needed for her to
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to kind of, OK, take a pause. Yeah, you know.
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And I think she would have took a pause if she didn't see it.
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Like, if they told her he did it, she'd be like, yeah, OK, we
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still have to be cautious. You know what I'm saying?
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We can try this. But she saw it, and she just got
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thrown in the whirlwind. It's like, you telling me I love
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you, baby. Don't take a fancy.
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If you ever watch this, listen to her.
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Like, OK, she can sing. And I'd be like, yeah, can she
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really sing? And then you're like, sing this.
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And I'm like, wow, she can sing. And then we get her on stage
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with Whitney Houston or something and we like, oh fuck
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no, I can't even sing. But then she also has.
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I mean, she song in the house, so let's put her in concert
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with, you know, the back of Whitney Houston and we like Oh
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my God, but. She also.
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Like Harry? Oh my God, we did.
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We did our child wrong. I got you, but she also just
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watched this thing tank the entire military unit, right?
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The entire military unit left no one standing.
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Yeah, but it's different. It's not in person.
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That's another thing too. He doesn't have to fight him in
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person. So she's like the mind thing.
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Joyce not getting it. I don't think.
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She should be put in a permanent coma.
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I don't think she. Should be like that.
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I don't think she really. I don't want to say it.
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It feels like she doesn't really understand the true threat that
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Beckman poses. Initially and yeah and she and
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she doesn't get that doesn't. But the other thing is, you
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know, going back to what both of y'all were saying, if you think
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about it, yeah, she did jump the gun.
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Because like you were saying about training, even Elle has to
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train. Even L, who we know has powers
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and whose powers she's not siphoning off of anybody else.
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She's not borrowing, she's not tapping in.
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These are her own powers and she still has to train.
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So yes, Will, Will needs to train.
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And I again, I think she just got a little bit Brazil is she
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was like, oh, you can do this. Let's just kill this bastard and
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be done with it. But again, something that we
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established in Volume 1, Joyce does not always have the best
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plans. And I think somebody needed to
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remind her of that. Like, we might be moving a
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little too fast. I appreciate the enthusiasm.
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I appreciate her giving Will the confidence because after that, I
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mean, yes, he killed the demo Gorgons, but the kids are all
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gone. Beckman still has the kids.
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And so you can kind of understand how he would feel
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about that. Like he's like, oh, I was able
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to do this all all along and I should have done it earlier and
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then the kids wouldn't be here. Well, baby, you just not
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figuring this out. This is not like all the stuff
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that they're dealing with in this volume, all of the science
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stuff, finding out the true what what the Upside Down really is,
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all of this stuff, even Dustin being wrong about what he
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thought it was. It's not that you're wrong.
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You made a very good estimated guest based on the information
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you have, you know, And then when you have more information,
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you're like, oh, wait, I was wrong.
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I was totally wrong. It wasn't that.
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But the fact that y'all have been doing this for four years
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with no battle plan, with no prior knowledge, with, I mean,
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y'all literally just got snatched up into this.
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Yeah, that's great. I need we need to not be so hard
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on himself, right, because he training on the job and that's
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not easy and. That's that's what I would say
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to that's not like Dustin. Don't beat yourself up, bro.
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You, you're like 13 years. You were thirteen years old.
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Mean we 16. Dustin when you can't, when they
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were trying to figure out Upside down, yes, OK, you were wrong.
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But dude. You right you hadn't even gone
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to like college and you know wrote papers you're doing this
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with high school level science right and she prefers.
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To. Scott.
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So it's OK. It's OK.
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Picture. Yeah, complete round.
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Don't mute yourself up. Already, he don't like being
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wrong. So that's the problem.
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His problem. Yeah.
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Yeah. And we'll get to Dustin and his
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problems later on. OK.
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So back to Will. Yeah, back to Will.
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But I'm sorry. That was OK.
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We have a little bit of cursing here.
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It was badass. That was It was badass.
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It was the greatest thing. Apologize every time you curse,
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right? That's why someone started now.
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OK, that's going to happen. But it was badass that that was
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simply just, you know, simply. I mean, you paid the price for
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it, you know? But you have learned a lot.
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Yeah, you did. You were able to confirm to
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Lucas that Max is around and that Holly is there and Holly
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and Max are together. You got Max out of there.
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However, you turned around, and then you were the spy and told
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where Max was. But that's OK.
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Wouldn't you? If somebody was digging their
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claws in your head, I'd be single, right?
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I would. I mean, me too.
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At least he made it to, you know, blood come out of his ears
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and eyes. I got one single blood and I'm
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like, you got the information. I'm good, right?
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Right. He.
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Said he fought. He really, he fought.
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He did, but the thing that got him, which we find out later on
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because we don't actually see it, but we find out later on, is
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again, Vechner uses secrets. He uses people's worst fears to
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get at them and to manipulate them.
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And this is what he does to Will and Will has in this episode
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finally, his being coming out scene.
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And I say being because it wasn't just, you know, he
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started out. He was just going to tell Joyce
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and then here comes Mike in the room and he's like, you probably
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need to hear this to a matter of fact.
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Get everybody, everybody, everyone.
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Like, you know what, if I'm a story time day at all, I'm going
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to go ahead and pull it all the way off.
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So literally you have everybody. And I think it's been a while
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since we've seen everybody together.
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All of the adults, all of the young adults, all of the chill,
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everybody is there, even Max at this point.
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And he has his moment. And I'm, I'm admit, the first
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time I watched it, I was like, this has got to be the longest
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coming out speech I've ever seen.
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It was people measure the time the second time.
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And I think the first time I watched these episodes, like I
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was right there on the precipice of being emotional.
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But I think I was so scared of what was going to happen in
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these episodes. I was trying not to, you know,
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to, to freak out or to cry or whatever.
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I was just like, I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.
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I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.
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So I don't think I really absorbed it the second time I
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watched it. However, I'm sitting here
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bawling like a baby and just noticing the little stuff.
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As soon as he started talking and he started saying little
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things. And the camera pans to Jonathan,
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Jonathan already knows what he's about to do.
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And you see that small smile on Jonathan's face, like, yes, he's
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about to do it. He's proud.
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Then you see Robin kind of over there just kind of nodding,
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encouraging him. And Will is telling, you know,
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his friends about all this stuff.
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He's like, look, he was like, Vecna uses people's secrets
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against them. He was like, and I have a big
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secret to tell them to tell you guys.
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And I got to say, Noah Schnapp nailed it in this scene.
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And I don't know if it was also like just his personal feelings
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about his sexuality because he did come out as gay a few years
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ago, I think season 3 or 4. So I don't know if he was
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pulling his own experience into that.
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But when I say just the facial expressions, the body language,
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the the ring of the hands, just everything, he was phenomenal.
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And I'm so glad we're getting to see him actually do like some
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some heavy, heavy acting in this season.
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Yeah, because he, when I say the emotional weight, the whole
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Demogorgon scene in the first one, the scene with him trying
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to kill Dechner in this one, this scene right here, he is
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bringing it. And I, when I say I watch that
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scene and it was just so emotional and listening to him
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talk to his friends about, oh, yeah, we like this and we like
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that and we like that. And I was like, you know what?
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This is really cute because he's rude.
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He's giving them reminders like, hey, we like all of these
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things, except I'm not different, right?
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Right. And he, he was nervous.
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So you got any more? Because I got a few things on
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this. Before, before you go, I just
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want to my, my thing, I just want to say that the way, the
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way Weckner is, but he said it during his speech.
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He said I, I guess I want to say that I don't think I think
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there's a distinction to be made that it wasn't that he had a a
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fear of being gay. He had the fear of being of his
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friends and family. Oh.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, definitely.
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I'm just saying abandoning him and being alone.
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And then he separate himself too from them because of how they
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they, their worry and their fear.
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So and I think that's that's a distinction that we didn't make
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sure our audience. You know what?
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To be fair, though, I think it is fair to say that he might
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have even been, I'm afraid of being gay.
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I mean, he says as much in there.
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He was like, you know, I, I didn't want to be different.
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He was like, I, I didn't fit, you know, want to tell you all.
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I was different 'cause I didn't want to be different.
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We have to think about it. This is not.
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Typically. Specifically, he says Victor
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showed him that he would be alone.
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Yes. And that's what he was afraid
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of. But what he was talking about
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before, he did say that he was also afraid of being different.
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He didn't want to be different. And we have to think about it.
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This is 198087. This is right in the height of
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the AIDS epidemic. This is when there was a lot of
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backlash against gays, especially for someone his age.
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So yeah, he probably did also have that fear as well.
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But what? Yeah, you're right.
00:21:35
What Dechner showed him was that his friends would abandoned him,
00:21:40
his family would abandoned him. But that.
00:21:43
Fear has to start. With the fact that, oh, I
00:21:48
realize this is who I am and I'm not sure if I'm OK with that.
00:21:51
I'm I'm scared of that. And I think that's what he, and
00:21:55
I think with that one, he was processing that with Robin, the
00:22:00
fear of being different and then.
00:22:03
He. He then became OK with that and
00:22:07
then when he got taken over with Vegna it was and not that they
00:22:10
abandoned him like he even said I push people away because I
00:22:14
didn't want to see how they were, their fear and worry about
00:22:17
me. So I didn't want.
00:22:20
To and that was that was deep but here here's my points now
00:22:23
y'all know I'm crazy. What I'm confused about how if
00:22:28
he is, this is his coming out story.
00:22:31
Why are we judging? First of all, how long he was
00:22:35
and how many people in the room? Everybody got their own story to
00:22:39
tell. Like I never had to come out,
00:22:41
but I may want to come out a little different than the next
00:22:43
door neighbor came out. But why are we putting
00:22:46
parameters around how he came out?
00:22:48
I've seen a lot of that and everybody online discourse.
00:22:51
Yeah, yeah. Because like it.
00:22:53
Was too long, he says too many things.
00:22:56
It should only be first of all, let's go back to what y'all
00:22:58
said. It could not be just his mom,
00:23:01
because The thing is, if he just told his mom, of course, Joyce
00:23:05
is like, I'm not leaving you, honey.
00:23:07
I'm going to live in your basement with you.
00:23:10
She ain't going nowhere. But Wagner showed him everybody,
00:23:15
his friends. So he had to tell everybody.
00:23:17
And then this is not the time to be like, OK, I only need Lucas,
00:23:22
Dustin, Steve. No, no, Steve, you can stay in
00:23:26
that other room. Robin.
00:23:27
Yeah. I need you to come for
00:23:29
encouragement. OK.
00:23:30
Hopper, I don't need you. Like this ain't the time to be
00:23:33
like, I only need these four people, not this group.
00:23:36
Everyone just come in here. Yeah, look, let's just get this
00:23:39
over with. Let's just get it over with.
00:23:42
Because once I tell a whole big group, if anything, when you
00:23:46
have to tell anybody something and you tell the whole group,
00:23:49
after you tell the whole group you good.
00:23:54
And but I'm not going to tell. Two people here then go into
00:23:56
another room and tell these two people and have a whole day of
00:24:00
me trying to tell them that I'm gay.
00:24:03
That's not happening. Yeah.
00:24:04
Yeah. OK.
00:24:06
That's one second of all. Shade, little shade.
00:24:09
The wheel. Will.
00:24:09
Will, you did not have to throw Robin's business out there, but
00:24:12
thank goodness no one knows about Tammy.
00:24:15
Thank you. Well, Steve.
00:24:18
Yeah. I mean, thank you.
00:24:19
I'm just saying. So Robin, don't say nothing
00:24:22
about Tammy for another year until you really come out.
00:24:26
No, because you know what I think this scene also did.
00:24:30
The scene also. Showed Robin that.
00:24:33
These are people. She would be safe with Oh yeah,
00:24:36
yeah, I'm just making a joke that he throw Tammy out there
00:24:38
and I'm like, that's not hurt. That's not your story to tell,
00:24:41
dude. Keep Tammy in, keep Tammy in.
00:24:45
But again, and then for the people didn't know.
00:24:50
Come on now. So at this point, I'm I'm
00:24:53
starting you. I can put the information in the
00:24:55
comments, but we have known that this has been wheeled since
00:25:00
season 1. And if you're not sure about
00:25:03
season 1, you definitely know in season 2.
00:25:06
If you're not sure about season 2, damn it, you know it's season
00:25:10
3. And if you weren't sure in
00:25:12
season 3, you don't know about the picture you drew in season
00:25:16
4. What show you?
00:25:19
Watching at this point. I don't think you really
00:25:20
watching Stranger Things and really digging in like we are
00:25:23
with Strange Things. I think you just coming along
00:25:26
because everyone's excited about Stranger Things.
00:25:28
There's nothing wrong with that. I've done that with plenty of
00:25:30
shows. However, however, this is this
00:25:34
boy's story, and again, this is the end.
00:25:37
We're not giving them anymore. So we needed him to come out.
00:25:40
Yeah, and we needed him to point out to Mike that you are the
00:25:44
crush. And you know what?
00:25:47
It's so. Crazy specifically.
00:25:49
Pointed out who else could. It be he was it wasn't Lucas
00:25:53
when it wasn't Dustin when he said it, he's looking at the
00:25:58
crack, he's looking at the whole group.
00:26:00
And then when he said but I had a crush on someone, his eyes
00:26:03
specifically went to Mike. And if you look at the way Mike
00:26:06
reacted, Mike didn't do a whole big thing, but you could tell
00:26:11
from his eyes he looked and he was like, oh, wait, that's me.
00:26:15
But not only that, Mike was the one, and I think it was season 2
00:26:19
who pointed out to Will. He was like, it's not our fault
00:26:22
that you don't like girls. I think Mike had a double
00:26:25
realization there. Mike realized 10 I was the
00:26:29
crush, but he literally said I had I had a crush on someone,
00:26:33
but I realized it was not about that person.
00:26:36
OK, so he already is like, oh, OK, so this is not going to be
00:26:40
awkward because it could be awkward at the beginning.
00:26:43
We we best friends to give it. I'm your Saint.
00:26:45
The others on the other side, He's like, oh shit, I may have
00:26:49
realized this way before anybody else did right.
00:26:52
And when he said it, when he did say it is when he said it.
00:26:58
I don't even think he was thinking that because there's
00:27:00
sometimes people are into even if Will wasn't, Will wasn't
00:27:05
there yet. Our maturity level are
00:27:07
different. Like some of us got into boys
00:27:11
and girls. Oh, that doesn't sound right as
00:27:13
an adult saying that, but we had some.
00:27:18
Of us A. Little earlier, yeah.
00:27:21
Some of us were kidnapped. By Vecna and held for a while so
00:27:25
yeah, that would cause so like our love interest came at
00:27:28
different times like even let's just point out OK if Will wasn't
00:27:31
gay like Will may have just still been playing with toys and
00:27:37
D&D and he wasn't interested in his hormones didn't hit he
00:27:41
wasn't interested in anything at that point in time.
00:27:43
Well, first of all, damn it, I've been kidnapped.
00:27:45
I'm I'm behind even though I'm kidnapped that long, but I'm
00:27:48
still a little bit behind in you.
00:27:50
I'm still trying to get my bearing.
00:27:52
I'm still trying to figure out why that slug came out my mouth
00:27:54
in the sink. So I'm having other issues and
00:27:57
I'm not thinking about dating at this point.
00:28:01
Mike, you only think. About dating because L popped up
00:28:03
in your basement you. Know what I'm saying?
00:28:06
If L. Didn't pop up in your basement.
00:28:08
You may have not thought about anybody either.
00:28:10
Dustin only finally thought about somebody in Season 3
00:28:13
because he went to camp and found someone super intelligent.
00:28:16
If he didn't go to camp, he wasn't liking anybody.
00:28:19
He didn't like Max. They all liked.
00:28:22
Max, because she was different. Yeah, that was only.
00:28:26
Yeah, so. Come on.
00:28:29
But that was just my, my, my thing about we'll let him have
00:28:34
his moment. Like, damn, everyone has had a
00:28:36
moment. Literally we've.
00:28:38
Been. Having Will and his neck hairs
00:28:43
for years he hadn't had much to say.
00:28:46
He's he's awkward, he's trying to figure out life and finally
00:28:49
he has got his feet on the ground.
00:28:51
He is doing some things and y'all want to give him that 7
00:28:54
minutes of dialogue, let him have it.
00:28:59
I think in this part I. Think at this point Will has
00:29:01
earned it. He has.
00:29:04
Well, first of all, you, I'm sorry, that's just another
00:29:07
podcast even also he's been violated this season.
00:29:11
What I think he can have whatever he want and then he got
00:29:14
violated again. That's all right.
00:29:18
Because y'all can't. Tell me this, that is the most
00:29:21
disgusting thing. Whatever they pumping into the
00:29:24
the keys in their mouth. I'm sorry, it's horrible.
00:29:27
Listen the. Sound.
00:29:30
Effects when? That thing went.
00:29:33
Into Derek's mouth in this I was like, you know what?
00:29:35
I I don't need to like if. It was Thomas.
00:29:39
I would have been OK and it doesn't go.
00:29:42
Gently, it is just a. Damn right into the face.
00:29:46
Aliens. I can't jam right into the.
00:29:48
Face, I was like, oh, can we be a little bit more gentle, gentle
00:29:51
with the kids and is this care? No, and since fuck them kids.
00:29:57
Yeah, he has and I'm about ready to too.
00:30:00
But OK, since we talked about the character.
00:30:02
So what do you think is going to happen on Wednesday for Will and
00:30:08
Joyce? Since Joyce was thrown in there,
00:30:10
she got nothing left but Will and Joyce.
00:30:15
OK, so. I guess I'm going to encompass
00:30:18
this whole thing because we've been talking back and forth
00:30:21
about characters and who we think may survive, who we think
00:30:24
may die, whatever, whatever. And I don't know, the more that
00:30:27
I, I've watched it now, I think this is like my third or fourth
00:30:32
time I'm watching. Episode 5 is playing in the
00:30:34
background, having conversations with Anthony on what, Thursday?
00:30:40
And then having conversations with both of you today.
00:30:46
I think I'm. About to be on the side of I
00:30:49
don't think anybody's going to die or I may think one or two
00:30:52
people are going to die. I don't think Joyce is going to
00:30:54
die. I think Joyce has been through
00:30:56
enough. Joyce deserves her little slice
00:30:59
of happiness with Hopper, Which. I don't know how that's going
00:31:02
to. Happen and we will just we
00:31:04
deserves to kill Becna at this point aside from 11:00 will.
00:31:10
Probably. Deserves to kill Becna more than
00:31:12
anyone and we see that he can't. He can come close.
00:31:16
He got yeated out of Becna's brain, but now that he doesn't
00:31:21
have anything else to fear at this point, he's just like OK,
00:31:25
I'm a go for it. Let will have his moment.
00:31:28
I would love to see will have his I'm killing the night Kane
00:31:32
moment. I really will.
00:31:33
I I. I feel.
00:31:36
If we're talking just about will kind of the same thing, because
00:31:42
you know, I've I've mentioned it before.
00:31:45
We couldn't figure out what I mentioned before, but every
00:31:49
fantasy thing or even like one of my favorite video game of all
00:31:54
time, Mass Effect, you have to do a loyalty mission in order to
00:31:58
make sure your characters are ready for the final battle.
00:32:01
And the loyalty missions are always about clearing your
00:32:05
conscience and and clearing up your relationships and make sure
00:32:09
you don't have anything weighing on you going in.
00:32:12
And now that he doesn't have that fear anymore that Wegna can
00:32:15
play on, I believe with Max's help, because Max is going to be
00:32:21
like, Oh yeah, there's something that Vecna fears, Henry fears
00:32:24
something. And somehow or another he's
00:32:28
going to be able to use that against Vecna.
00:32:31
And I think that's that's how it's going to end.
00:32:33
He's going to be able to defeat him because he doesn't have any
00:32:37
fear, but Vecna does. And I mean.
00:32:41
And I do agree with Hanukkah that he is probably more
00:32:46
deserving of dealing with Victoria then I'll because once
00:32:52
we once we get to ill, I have some stuff to say about she'll
00:32:56
have some something to deal with on her own.
00:32:58
She ain't going to have time to be trying to deal with Victoria
00:33:01
because she's going to have problems with her own.
00:33:04
Yeah. OK.
00:33:05
You know what, I do have this question and we talked about,
00:33:09
Michelle talked about this in volume one.
00:33:11
They don't mention things just randomly and leave them there.
00:33:17
Like they always come back. Just like the whole thing with
00:33:19
the wormholes we saw in Volume to that wormhole thing was a
00:33:23
very important piece of the whole thing.
00:33:27
Is like literally the thing that we have been watching since
00:33:31
season 1 and had no clue about because that's what we find out
00:33:34
the Upside Down is. So going back to the whole Will
00:33:38
and Vecna thing, when Max is talking to them about or when
00:33:42
she's talking to Will about the plan that they have devised to
00:33:46
to kind of bring down Vecna. And she talks about how she was
00:33:51
able to stay safe in Vecna's mind.
00:33:54
And she talks about the memory. And she said there's, you know,
00:33:58
he's still scared of that memory, she said, which shows
00:34:02
that deep down inside there is a part of him that's still human.
00:34:07
She was like, yeah, he's, he's a monster, but human I'm.
00:34:11
Wondering if? That's going to have something
00:34:13
to do with how they defeat him. Like are they going to find some
00:34:16
kind of way to restore his humanity back to him as opposed
00:34:20
to just outright killing him? I I mean.
00:34:26
At this point, I wouldn't rule it out, but it's kind of like
00:34:32
he's also, I mean, yeah, Vecna is a villain.
00:34:36
He's been doing all these horrible things, but we got to
00:34:38
think Vecna was a villain. I mean, he was a victim first.
00:34:44
And I'm just. I'm just wondering Michelle
00:34:46
looking at me like. Am I?
00:34:49
Am I touching? On something close what?
00:34:52
What? If you think about like one of
00:34:54
the biggest things in the 80s was Star Wars and even Darth
00:34:59
Vader was redeemed, you are. At.
00:35:02
The right path, so he. He could.
00:35:05
Be he could be, you know, if you, if you're like the
00:35:08
Skywalker, he could always be. Redeemed.
00:35:11
I don't want to say. There's no coming back for.
00:35:13
Him though he he can be redeemed, but like what what
00:35:17
they let's you know? If I.
00:35:19
Want to say Christmas? Tree.
00:35:21
Well, see, he will be. Redeemed.
00:35:22
He will be like Skylo Kylo. He will be redeemed, but then
00:35:28
you die so he can be redeemed. Redeemed.
00:35:32
And and and there's. Little things about him planted
00:35:36
in different places that kind of go with what you're saying as
00:35:39
well as from *. Wars, yeah, so and.
00:35:42
That's why I'm going to that's why, you know, knowing certain
00:35:47
things. Yeah, you were on the right
00:35:50
path. And I, I, I believe that I but
00:35:52
it's like we have to, we have to say I'm going to help everyone.
00:35:55
Like I know what's happening. Like, you know, the Duffel
00:35:57
brothers, like you gave me a message, but we have inside
00:36:01
scoop. Yeah.
00:36:02
I I can take what was given. Process that.
00:36:07
And say Hanukkah's on the right path because we we're, we're
00:36:10
forgetting another person, another thing in this.
00:36:19
Is it a black shadow? Fair.
00:36:21
Yeah, but that's not who I. Was talking about OK, I'm going
00:36:22
to go on with Will. I believe that Will is the
00:36:26
person that deserves to kill. Or breakdown.
00:36:30
Vecna maybe not kill him or break him down, OK, because he
00:36:35
was he is the true victim of Vecna and all the things that's
00:36:39
happened and the mine player everyone Ale really just Ale
00:36:45
just got duped in the hospital. That's all she did, that's all
00:36:49
that. You know what I'm saying?
00:36:50
She doesn't. Will deserves it.
00:36:54
When this is all over, Will be alive.
00:36:57
Will. Will move to new.
00:36:58
York will be an artist, will be living in a studio he will find,
00:37:07
he will go to therapy and then he will meet.
00:37:13
The love of his life. And then he will still be in
00:37:17
contact with going to need their own therapist.
00:37:20
They. Yeah, yeah, he will be in
00:37:22
contact with his friends. His mom, I don't believe will
00:37:27
have anyone. So you can kind of hint at the
00:37:29
next character that we'll be talking about later.
00:37:32
She'll be alone, but he will get her a cabin by the lake and she
00:37:37
will be fine to Joyce. Yes, a Cam will.
00:37:40
Hopper. She'll be in the cabin by.
00:37:42
The lake so, so let's let's move on to Hopkins by the lake.
00:37:46
That's since that's what you're inferring.
00:37:51
OK, two things about Hopper. Well, since.
00:37:55
Everyone's going to. Live.
00:37:57
Yeah, I guess so. Hopper Yeah, yeah, 'cause like.
00:37:59
After the show they got to move out of.
00:38:01
Hot. They have to move.
00:38:03
No, Yeah, they all going to have to move out of Hawkins.
00:38:06
Damn, everyone move that. Yeah, after.
00:38:09
We finished watching watching Volume 2.
00:38:12
I did a lot of thinking and I was like, you know, again, just
00:38:17
like all the fantasy books I read, the the people have to get
00:38:21
a happy ending after they accomplished finished the quest
00:38:26
and I you can't get a happy ending by dying.
00:38:29
So I don't think they're going to kill anyone.
00:38:31
I think everybody is going to survive.
00:38:33
So why is it? So who says dying is not a happy
00:38:37
ending if you die with purpose it?
00:38:40
Doesn't If Harper dies, Joyce and Ell are not going to have a
00:38:44
happy ending. They won't have a happy.
00:38:46
Ending he will die in peace. I'm not saying he'll die people,
00:38:50
but I'm I'm just saying like he'll die saying.
00:38:53
Is going to be crushed. Everybody is.
00:38:55
Going to be. Crushed.
00:38:57
Everybody is going to be crushed, so you can't.
00:39:00
We can't lose anyone because everyone has to be happy,
00:39:05
everyone. So, so Callie Callie's dead.
00:39:08
Callie's dead because. I'm OK, we came in.
00:39:11
She came in. Too late and she's.
00:39:14
Already trying to get I'll to commit suicide so yeah.
00:39:17
But Hopper and Joyce will be together.
00:39:20
Thank you. That's all I wanted.
00:39:22
To say Hopper and Joyce in the cabin by the lake.
00:39:24
I really want Joyce to be by. Herself.
00:39:28
I. Honestly, you got to go.
00:39:29
To the Enzos, come on down standing we don't have.
00:39:33
Any deaths reservation? I'm very much.
00:39:39
I'm like 1 foot kind of sort of over the fence about I'll
00:39:43
surviving. But I think if we do have
00:39:46
character death, I think she will probably be one of them.
00:39:50
And also I think they have also foreshadowed that Hopper may be
00:39:53
another. I think him and El may end up
00:39:56
being on that bridge together and and and and dying because we
00:40:02
think about him. From, from, from what we've seen
00:40:07
already, Callie has come in. She's basically told Elle, hey,
00:40:11
So what Doctor K is doing? She rebooted Papa's program.
00:40:15
They kept me in there. They were taking my blood.
00:40:17
They were taking lots of my blood.
00:40:18
And when I tried to escape, I found out that they had more
00:40:21
pregnant women. They were giving the pregnant
00:40:24
women my blood so that their unborn children could become
00:40:27
numbers like us. But my blood was making them
00:40:29
sick and it was not It was killing them.
00:40:32
You are the closest to Henry, and Henry's blood is what made
00:40:37
us. So they're after you because
00:40:41
they want you. They want your blood to make the
00:40:44
program. So she's basically telling her
00:40:47
when they come up with the plan to collide the two worlds so
00:40:51
that they can destroy the Abyss and the the Upside Down.
00:40:55
And we'll talk about that in a little bit.
00:40:58
She. Basically is like.
00:40:59
We need to make sure that they don't have access to us, that
00:41:03
they can't do this anymore. And if we both survive or if you
00:41:07
survive, they're going to keep coming after you.
00:41:10
So what we need to do is when we blow this bridge up, we need to
00:41:14
be on, We need to be on the other side of it.
00:41:16
We need to not come back with everybody else.
00:41:19
OK, so there are. That's already that's already
00:41:23
showing that Elle has this in her mind that OK, maybe I need
00:41:27
to do this because when they go into the upside down, she looks
00:41:29
like Khalid. She gives her a nod, basically
00:41:31
saying OK, I agree, I understand.
00:41:34
Hopper has made. It very known and last in this
00:41:41
entire season. He's not willing to.
00:41:44
Risk Elle he. Doesn't want to lose.
00:41:47
Her he's willing to sacrifice himself to make sure that she
00:41:51
stays safe I mean he he had a bomb strapped to him in volume 1
00:41:56
and was going into what he thought was kill Vecna now at
00:42:01
the beginning of volume 2 we see them going to the little church
00:42:05
on in the upside down they. Show us.
00:42:08
His bomb on the back of the truck.
00:42:10
The mom is still there. It's still, I'm assuming it can
00:42:14
still be used when Dustin says, OK, when we're on our way back
00:42:20
from the Upside Down, we need to drop a bomb in there and close
00:42:24
it all off. That way none of that can get
00:42:26
through again. I was like, OK, here we go,
00:42:30
Hopper. And then we have a conversation
00:42:32
with Hopper and Joyce. Hopper's like, I can't risk her,
00:42:35
I can't lose her. I can't.
00:42:37
And the way he says I can't, he's basically telling Joyce I'm
00:42:41
not about to lose another child. I would do whatever I have to do
00:42:45
not to lose this child. If that collar girl steps out of
00:42:47
line, I will kill her. He's not going to.
00:42:51
Kill her, I will. Not hesitate to kill her Hopper.
00:42:56
I think if he realizes that Elle is going to try to sacrifice
00:43:01
herself, he is going to stay behind with her because that way
00:43:05
now they can't use her. To to continue.
00:43:09
The program and Hopper has the bomb.
00:43:12
He's probably the only one who knows how.
00:43:14
Well, I won't say he's the only one who knows how to use it, but
00:43:16
he built it so he's the best person to know how to set it
00:43:19
off. If L is up sacrificing herself,
00:43:23
he's going to stay behind with her, right?
00:43:27
And the thing? About it is what we would you
00:43:29
didn't think about I didn't think.
00:43:32
About. But you didn't.
00:43:35
But you didn't think about what you didn't think about.
00:43:38
What you didn't think about was in volume one.
00:43:41
A couple things you think about in volume 1.
00:43:46
In volume 1. He was literally really at peace
00:43:49
that he was going to blow it up and that he got to see his
00:43:53
daughter. It's it's going to happen.
00:43:56
Again, like he right now, yeah, he loved Joyce, but if he can
00:44:01
see that, he can see that L is safe and.
00:44:04
Taken care of and. That he can see his daughter
00:44:06
again. He's willing to go.
00:44:08
That is his happy ending. Then he do.
00:44:11
Then he shows can find another name.
00:44:12
My thing about it is he's. Already done this.
00:44:14
He did it at the end of season 2, right?
00:44:18
Yeah, but this time he finally. Dies.
00:44:20
He dies a good death. Yeah, I'm pretty.
00:44:23
Sure he was. Was that a Superman man?
00:44:24
Of steel a good death. And possibly with.
00:44:28
His other daughter, right? Really like honestly that we
00:44:33
keep seeing his daughter from season 1.
00:44:36
So basically for him. And I also feel like.
00:44:43
He thinks, like, I feel like Hopper feels like this would be
00:44:47
his penance and this would be his way from making up for
00:44:49
Sarah. Because what?
00:44:51
What did we find out in last season?
00:44:53
He felt guilty about Sarah because he knew going into his
00:44:57
marriage that he should have been having children because of
00:45:01
what they did to him in the military.
00:45:04
So we already know that he feels like he was the one that killed
00:45:08
her. And that's one of the reasons
00:45:10
why he's so adamant about saving I'll So yeah, if.
00:45:18
There are any? Deaths, I think it probably will
00:45:21
be him and L and it will be them together.
00:45:23
Now that's not to say I want that because yes, I would love
00:45:27
for them to figure out a way to, I don't know, come back and
00:45:31
everything's OK. Maybe maybe when they get back,
00:45:34
maybe when they destroy Henry or you know, restore his humanity
00:45:39
or whatever, maybe they find a way to erase all of that from
00:45:43
them. Maybe something in the abyss
00:45:45
will take that ability from them.
00:45:48
Take, I don't know, take Henry's blood out of them, make them
00:45:52
regular humans. I don't know, maybe the
00:45:54
sacrifice of Kylie, because Kylie is going to die, that much
00:45:59
I'm sure of. But maybe whatever it is they do
00:46:02
to Vecna, what happened to L? Maybe when they come back from
00:46:05
the abyss, L will be a regular 11 year old girl and and
00:46:10
everybody can live happily ever after.
00:46:12
She can have a normal life because if she comes back with
00:46:15
her powers and she has children, those children might have the
00:46:18
same issue. Not necessarily issues.
00:46:21
They might have the same powers, they might have the same
00:46:23
abilities. And then her children will be
00:46:24
talking. They and then they were yeah,
00:46:26
they'll be targets. So we have to figure that out.
00:46:28
They have to figure that out, but they don't have to figure it
00:46:31
out because she can still be a target and that can be something
00:46:34
in the future they can go back to.
00:46:38
That's not really. A happy ending because you were
00:46:40
constantly in the run. Just take the problems from her
00:46:43
and let her come back to let her come back to the right side up
00:46:47
as a regular girl. Let her live her life with her
00:46:50
boyfriend and her her adoptive father and her friends.
00:46:55
And let her go off and be somewhere where there's at least
00:46:58
one waterfall and be done with it, right?
00:47:01
Since we're on Hopper and 11, I'll go with Harper.
00:47:06
I mean, it's not much to say for him in this season that I mean,
00:47:11
that's volume that he's a great dad.
00:47:13
Because you know that 8 is full of shit, OK?
00:47:20
She's full of shit. And you over there making all
00:47:22
the kind of facial expressions every time she talks.
00:47:25
And I'm with you, Sir. I like her creeping up behind
00:47:28
Ale. I don't like the comments she
00:47:30
has. I'm like you.
00:47:32
You only known her from now. How we grew up together.
00:47:35
That was a long time ago. That girl is different.
00:47:38
I really know her. Like, we spent time in a cabin
00:47:41
alone, barely. No television, no company for a
00:47:46
year. Yeah.
00:47:47
And then a year again. And currently, Come on.
00:47:51
Whatever. But I'm not my only.
00:47:56
I feel like Kylie is full of shit because I do believe that
00:48:00
she believes what she's telling Ella's is true and I believe
00:48:03
that there is a a bit of truth to it.
00:48:05
However. It's I'm.
00:48:09
Still not. I'm still not convinced that she
00:48:12
is. On our side.
00:48:15
Quote UN quote, our team side. There's something about her that
00:48:19
just don't seem right. Yeah, and that's what he's
00:48:24
feeling. So to me, that bitch got to go.
00:48:30
Yes, she does. But Hopper, another thing that
00:48:32
people have pointed out is, Oh my gosh, no one is saying that
00:48:36
he is alive. Friends Hopper has, you know,
00:48:40
they have conversations outside of what we see on the screen.
00:48:44
So they just told. And when you're dealing with?
00:48:48
All of this stuff that you dealing with and someone pops up
00:48:51
alive, you can be like, oh, the Russians must have had them and
00:48:54
you wouldn't have like, oh, I'm, I'm glad he's back.
00:48:56
No, I'm gonna be honest. I don't think Hopper has told
00:48:59
anybody that he's alive because he no, I'm, I'm talking about
00:49:02
the people who have seen him. And there's been a lot of
00:49:04
comments like Max and say what she needs to say about I'm like
00:49:08
those type of things. But when you've been through
00:49:12
what they have been through and then you see someone pop up,
00:49:16
it's not unbelievable, you know what I'm saying?
00:49:18
And then there's conversations outside of.
00:49:23
And then there's. Conversations, well, they were
00:49:26
like Missus Wheeler, she wouldn't have known but do you
00:49:32
think she care? Do you think she care?
00:49:35
Missus? Let's try this a box.
00:49:36
Do you think she care either? So she's probably looking like
00:49:39
oh, but you know what? Oh no, 'cause Hopper was and he
00:49:43
did come down to the hospital, so.
00:49:46
Yeah. They, they probably, again,
00:49:48
there's conversations that will be had on the side and second of
00:49:52
all, what I have gone and been through, is that the least of my
00:49:55
concerns to get on to? Know what is going.
00:49:58
On right. And.
00:50:00
Now, first of all, one Missus Wheeler can barely talk, so in
00:50:05
her mind, she could be thinking, oh, I thought that damn dude was
00:50:08
dead. OK, maybe he's alive.
00:50:10
Didn't her next thought is why to hear everybody at my house?
00:50:13
Don't he have a house somewhere that they could have went to
00:50:16
see? That would be the thought she
00:50:17
would have had. No.
00:50:18
You know what she's probably thinking when she's in that
00:50:20
hospital and she sees Hopper? She's probably looking at him
00:50:25
and the fact that she just blew up 3 demo dolls, She's probably
00:50:29
like, that's not the strangest thing I've seen today, right?
00:50:31
That's what I'm saying. End that out later.
00:50:34
Why they couldn't go live with him?
00:50:35
Because there was too many damn people in my house.
00:50:38
But she probably. Figured, I mean, Hopper was
00:50:40
declared dead. They probably sold his little
00:50:42
trailer that he was in in the first season living somewhere.
00:50:46
He's showing up at the hospital. He's clean and not dirty, so
00:50:49
he's somewhere you have to let go.
00:50:53
That sometimes there are conversations and then sometimes
00:50:58
you've been in situations where you'd be like, oh shit, I didn't
00:51:01
know that, but we'll talk about that later because that's not
00:51:04
what's important at the moment. No, no.
00:51:09
But the other thing is if, OK, so if we want to talk about
00:51:12
things that don't make sense or whatever.
00:51:15
Whatever happened to Derek's family?
00:51:19
This still. This still bound.
00:51:23
Who's going to? Go Who's going to go looking
00:51:26
for? Probably.
00:51:28
Who? Look, at this point, the
00:51:29
neighbor should have done a well check.
00:51:31
We haven't seen the, I can't remember what their last names
00:51:36
are, but we haven't seen them in the last couple of days and the
00:51:38
police go in. And and oh, the turnbows.
00:51:41
Yeah, and, and, and here they are.
00:51:44
They go into the house and they find a hole in the floor.
00:51:47
They find the wine cellar wrecked.
00:51:50
They're probably like where are. These people, I mean, but.
00:51:55
That's just what I was wondering because I was like, y'all made a
00:51:58
very big scene of them being kidnapped and that we we thought
00:52:02
about them. I mean, I understand they're not
00:52:04
thinking about them. They got bigger fish to fry.
00:52:06
But yeah, it would just be nice to know what happened,
00:52:09
especially since Beckman used them to threaten Derek when he
00:52:13
realized Derek was turning. And the way he described them,
00:52:18
he was like, you're, what did he say?
00:52:20
You're stupid, father, you're full of a mother, and you're a
00:52:22
snake. Your snake.
00:52:23
Of a mother snake. Of a mother.
00:52:25
And you're something since I was like, what does he have against
00:52:29
them? Like he made it seem like it was
00:52:32
really personal. Which also makes me.
00:52:36
Wonder because Derek's family is comprised of the same makeup as
00:52:41
Henry's family was Mother, dad, sister so.
00:52:46
I I don't. Know, but yeah, I mean.
00:52:50
Hyper being alive. Is not the the it's.
00:52:53
Not. The shock or surprise that I
00:52:57
think it would be for anybody, maybe maybe the Police
00:53:01
Department. But like we said in our earlier
00:53:03
conversation today, we haven't even seen the Police Department
00:53:07
in this season, which is weird because they've been in every
00:53:10
season at least, you know, freaking frack.
00:53:13
We haven't seen them at all. So it's kind of like, did the
00:53:17
military kind of disband the whole Police Department?
00:53:20
Like, yeah, we going, we going to worry about this because even
00:53:24
if the Police Department goes and investigates something
00:53:27
weird, if it has something to do with what they're doing, the
00:53:31
military is just going to come in and take over it anyway.
00:53:34
So they probably send them out early retirement.
00:53:36
Like, you know what, we going to send y'all out of the town,
00:53:39
don't come back. Don't worry about your jobs
00:53:41
here. We going to send you to the big
00:53:42
city, You get a big promotion or something, I don't know, but OK.
00:53:48
So is there anything else we need to say about Hopper right
00:53:52
now, aside from the fact that Li think?
00:53:59
L We can. We can sprinkle throughout this
00:54:01
episode because there's so many different.
00:54:05
Parts that she kind of. Goes into as far as like having
00:54:08
to go, having to go find Will and all this other stuff.
00:54:12
So I but that's, but to be completely honest, I don't have
00:54:15
much left to talk about with L. And I know that was one of the
00:54:19
concerns that people did have was it was so strong Elle and
00:54:23
they feel like she's taking a back seat, but I'm like, I'm OK
00:54:27
with that because Will was in the back seat.
00:54:29
So now Will is in the forefront and Elle is supporting him
00:54:33
because honestly, we get to it. This has been about characters,
00:54:36
but what did this show start with?
00:54:38
It started with four boys. The core group.
00:54:44
Right. And.
00:54:45
That it's the core. It's the core group.
00:54:49
So. It's OK that AO isn't in the
00:54:53
forefront and first of all, right now L is dealing with her
00:54:56
own issues that she has to deal with.
00:55:00
And it's figuring out. What she wants to do and making
00:55:03
that decision of how she's going to move forward with her future.
00:55:06
So I don't got time for stuff that that can be taken care of
00:55:09
by other people. I do.
00:55:11
What I do? And y'all do what y'all do.
00:55:13
So I need y'all to be some people got to step up.
00:55:16
I'm like, damn, I've been doing this for a long time.
00:55:18
Like step up and y'all stepped up in the past.
00:55:21
It's time for y'all to step up. She doesn't need to be in the
00:55:24
forefront. No, now she got somebody to
00:55:26
share her load. I mean, Will doesn't have powers
00:55:29
like she does, but he's he can do some things.
00:55:33
He can do some things. He just needs to now.
00:55:37
I mean, there is no time for training because by the end of
00:55:40
volume to we are, we are at N6. We are at the day that Beckman
00:55:45
is supposed to be merging these worlds together.
00:55:48
So he doesn't really have time to train, but he's gotten that
00:55:51
confession out. There's literally nothing else
00:55:54
Beckman can hold over him. Nothing.
00:55:58
So yeah, let him share that load.
00:56:01
Let L kind of take a back seat right now because again, if Elle
00:56:08
ends up doing what Callie is suggesting she does, she going
00:56:13
to have her moment. She'll have her moment.
00:56:17
And she's had plenty of moments over the last Four Seasons.
00:56:21
So she I doing what she doing. She she good, you know?
00:56:27
We have other characters. That we want to talk about and
00:56:30
that we want to see have some stuff going on and.
00:56:35
Moving on to that. I want to go to Dustin.
00:56:38
OK, I'm so glad that. Fight with him and Steve
00:56:44
happened. Because it needed to.
00:56:46
Happen. Yeah.
00:56:48
Because I was. I was.
00:56:50
I couldn't see Dustin anymore like that.
00:56:54
It was bothering me. It was.
00:56:56
It was painful, yeah, very painful just to see because he
00:57:00
was always the kid that was just so exciting.
00:57:03
And he, like, was happy. It's just a happy kid, yeah.
00:57:08
And excited about. Things and to see and then see
00:57:12
how it affects him and Steve relationship that really
00:57:15
bothered me yeah and also for for him in this season to talk
00:57:20
about acting their ass off. That scene.
00:57:24
The scene with the fight and then the scene where he keeps
00:57:28
Steve from from the staircase and basically keeps Steve from
00:57:35
dying. The acting in that was.
00:57:39
Just so heartbreaking, but it was so good.
00:57:44
It was and then I like it was a 2 parter like Steve don't I
00:57:49
can't have this happen again. Like he literally can't have it
00:57:52
again. And that right there told me
00:57:54
Steve will not die because if you kill Steve like Dustin got
00:57:58
to die like this boy will, his life will be horrible for the
00:58:01
rest of his life. To lose 2 important people to
00:58:07
him, he will have. Abandoned me he would and then.
00:58:10
Like he would not have good relationships.
00:58:13
No SO and I hope they think about that.
00:58:16
But again, we don't think anyone died.
00:58:18
But I'm not think about it. I said them the Duffel brothers
00:58:23
think. About it so and then I like when
00:58:25
Steve came back and then said something to about how he felt
00:58:30
and then he missed. Yeah, I was like, this is so
00:58:37
great because you got 2 two guys who are being open and honest
00:58:42
with their feelings, who are like, OK, hey, yeah, I fucked
00:58:45
up. I did this.
00:58:46
I said this, I acted this way because when I was, you know, I
00:58:52
was scared of losing another person that I love, that I cared
00:58:55
about, or because I was jealous because I felt like I didn't
00:58:58
have my best friend anymore. You know there was.
00:59:02
A lot of healthy conversations in this, in this.
00:59:05
Yeah, it was, it was. And it and it's, it's, it's
00:59:09
closure too, because one, the growth of Dustin and then the
00:59:16
growth of Steve, and then even at the end coming back and them
00:59:21
two, putting their ideas together.
00:59:24
And actually finally, you know, I love that Steve had the the
00:59:28
idea for the plan and the plan was good and and it was good.
00:59:32
Yeah, even Erica cosigned. Oh yeah, we got to come back.
00:59:39
To we, we got to come back to Erica too, but yeah, yeah.
00:59:44
That's and I like how. Steve is like I really and I'm
00:59:48
I'm tired of y'all people talking about Nancy because I'm
00:59:50
really not trying to get with Nancy.
00:59:53
I'm really being her friend and they.
00:59:56
Need to get their. Stuff together over there, but
00:59:57
I'm really just being her friend, yeah.
01:00:00
But I'm not trying. To get with her either.
01:00:04
I like it too because. She hurt his future.
01:00:07
He want, first of all, he know he got to pick another woman to
01:00:10
have some kids with Nuggets, you know?
01:00:14
What I'm saying? He likes, he likes having those
01:00:17
kids. He complain about being the
01:00:18
babysitter, but you want more kids because you like that.
01:00:22
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:25
But also the whole thing with Steve and Nancy, and just even
01:00:28
with what happens with Jonathan and Nancy later on.
01:00:33
You have. These are healthy relationships
01:00:37
now, you know what I'm saying? It's like Steve.
01:00:41
Realizes. OK, you know what?
01:00:42
Yeah, I kind of sort of still like Nancy, whatever, but she is
01:00:45
my friend. She is my friend first and
01:00:47
foremost. I'm going to be there for her.
01:00:50
I'm going to try to protect her, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:52
And then also, let's face it, out of the three, or rather the
01:00:58
four adults, Nancy probably has the most sense with Robin coming
01:01:02
in a very close second. Let's just be honest.
01:01:05
Think about it. When Steve got ready to punch
01:01:08
through to the Upside Down, Dustin and Jonathan are going
01:01:13
back and forth, back and forth. You can't do this, blah, blah,
01:01:14
blah, blah, blah. He looked at Nancy.
01:01:16
Nancy was like, do it. They need a cosigner, right?
01:01:20
Because Nancy is very sure about the things she does, even in
01:01:25
this episode. One thing that bothered me, you
01:01:29
find. Something.
01:01:29
Weird on the roof and you don't know what the fuck it is.
01:01:34
Don't shoot it. Don't.
01:01:36
Don't do. Anything that's so.
01:01:38
Weird 'cause you it's like wait wait.
01:01:41
Until you find go get Dustin and say look what we found.
01:01:47
And then he would have been like, don't shoot.
01:01:52
I know what this is. But also how do you not
01:01:55
understand what he was saying on the radio?
01:01:57
Because I understood it very, very well, even though it was
01:02:00
crackling. But you still don't shoot that
01:02:02
shit. I mean least all rock, even
01:02:05
Jonathan was. Like, Are you sure about this?
01:02:06
She's like, no. And you still pull the trigger.
01:02:09
Now let's wait. Can we wait 10 minutes, right?
01:02:13
So because at this point waiting another 10.
01:02:20
Minutes ain't going. It ain't going to hurt.
01:02:22
You know, you know. Dustin and Steve are in the
01:02:24
building. All you have to do is just.
01:02:28
If if you can't if you can't get them on the radio, open.
01:02:33
The door and yell. Down to them.
01:02:34
Hey, we. Something because yeah, I just.
01:02:42
I had, I had a problem with that.
01:02:43
But again, Nancy was When Nancy makes a decision, she makes a
01:02:48
decision. She doesn't go back and forth.
01:02:51
She doesn't, him and her, but yeah, yeah, we're going back to
01:02:59
the whole Steven Dustin thing. Dustin needed that.
01:03:03
Release and the one thing I liked about it even when Dustin
01:03:07
got violent when he was trying to fight Steve when he was when
01:03:11
he was like you know letting. Out all.
01:03:15
This anger, Steve, even though we've seen Steve get mad and
01:03:21
fight back, Steve didn't try to fight back.
01:03:23
I think he knew at that point Dustin needed this release.
01:03:26
Dustin needed to do something. And I.
01:03:29
Feel like he kind. Of baited him for that reason.
01:03:32
Maybe I'm maybe. I'm giving him too much credit.
01:03:35
You giving him too much credit. But I think he knew.
01:03:38
At that point, like something has got to give or else all of
01:03:42
this is going to go to shit. Well, well.
01:03:44
Let me not. Say you giving him too much
01:03:45
credit. I think you're right that.
01:03:50
I don't think he. Realized what was happening
01:03:53
until it started happening. Like yeah he baited him, but I
01:03:56
don't think he baited him for for Destin to blow off any
01:03:59
steam. I think he was being Steve.
01:04:02
And then once it started, he realized, oh, he's he.
01:04:06
Something's really going on with him.
01:04:08
Yeah, right. Because he really didn't.
01:04:09
Fight him, yeah, Because he. He.
01:04:11
Because at Wolfman, he's like, OK, hold on, wait, wait, wait,
01:04:13
stop, stop. You know he because he.
01:04:16
Realized what was happening, yeah.
01:04:18
But I don't think. He I don't think he was baiting
01:04:20
him to give him the goat to do that.
01:04:22
I think he was baiting him because he's still here.
01:04:26
Yeah, they. Had to go back and forth and he
01:04:28
really was done, Yeah, and he told.
01:04:31
But then he realized. Told some things he shouldn't
01:04:32
have. Said out loud and he was like oh
01:04:34
wait, this. Is more than what what I thought
01:04:36
it was and that's why he didn't fight back, you know, because he
01:04:40
was throwing him around. He's like, OK, that's that's
01:04:42
enough chill out. That's enough.
01:04:45
I get it. Yeah, as he's tossing him
01:04:48
around. Well, and it wasn't even.
01:04:51
It wasn't even really tossing him around like he was trying to
01:04:54
stop Dustin. He was then he.
01:04:57
Did push him off a couple. He did push him off a couple of
01:04:59
times. Like, OK, get off me first,
01:05:02
yeah. But I'm glad he got.
01:05:05
That out of system because then when the next thing comes and
01:05:08
Steve is like, look, I'm going to try to save them blah blah
01:05:11
blah. He was like, no, you can't do
01:05:13
this. Stop being selfish.
01:05:15
I just and it's almost. Like I almost feel like maybe
01:05:19
Dustin. Dustin.
01:05:22
Unconsciously was pushing him away.
01:05:26
No, I think he was. Consciously doing it, I think he
01:05:29
was. I think he was doing.
01:05:31
It because he was. Saying he didn't want.
01:05:33
To He didn't want to lose anybody.
01:05:34
And here's the thing with I think Dustin is smart.
01:05:37
Enough to know that he, I think Dustin, realized that's what he
01:05:39
was doing, but I'm saying why when he was doing it.
01:05:42
I don't know if he was consciously aware that he was.
01:05:47
That he was pushing. He's probably, I don't, I don't
01:05:50
know if he was pitching all the way, but he definitely was
01:05:52
pushing Steve away. But I don't know if he was
01:05:55
actively doing it on purpose. I don't think he made.
01:05:58
I don't think he made a conscious effort to do that.
01:06:00
I think he just in, I think in his mind he was like, you know
01:06:04
what, I got this other thing I want to do, deal with these
01:06:07
bullies and focus on that and not worry about Steve and not
01:06:12
really understand what was happening.
01:06:16
Deep on the deeper. Level.
01:06:17
He didn't until then. Not until.
01:06:20
Then not until then. Right then he realized where
01:06:23
that was. Yeah, he.
01:06:25
Was realizing where they're coming.
01:06:26
From because he said I miss. My friend, he's like, I miss you
01:06:28
too, you know? Yeah.
01:06:29
So I don't think he consciously was doing it.
01:06:33
I just think it was unconscious like.
01:06:35
We do we do that those things right which.
01:06:38
Is if Steve? Dies he he's going to do that in
01:06:40
relationships and not knowing that he won't.
01:06:44
Commit to a relationship. Because he's his fear of losing
01:06:46
someone. So he was doing a lot of things
01:06:50
and then he wanted to fight. He had a lot of anger.
01:06:53
He needed to get it out. So that's what his whole issue
01:06:56
with the bullies were. He was still connecting with his
01:07:00
friends, but he was still holding them at a arm's reach.
01:07:09
But not all the time. I think he did a lot more with
01:07:11
Steve because Steve does things that will cause him to die, and
01:07:18
he did. Say you always got to be the
01:07:19
hero, right? And that that.
01:07:21
Is the that is the thing? Like he's also mad at Steve
01:07:25
because Steve didn't save Eddie but then Eddie saved Steve but
01:07:29
then Steve was right about Eddie.
01:07:31
Like y'all didn't really have to do that.
01:07:35
Eddie was supposed to protect. You and and this is what
01:07:38
happened and it happens because Steve does the same thing and it
01:07:42
works out for him but it didn't work out for Eddie and Dustin
01:07:47
knows that he knows that Lucas is going to do so much Lucas was
01:07:52
going to be all right Max is going to be all right now Max
01:07:55
I'm sorry Mike is going to be all right all right and Will's
01:07:57
going to be all right but. Steve.
01:08:02
Yes, a lot of it was pent up towards Steve and.
01:08:06
Then to. Get it all out the bullies so he
01:08:10
had to interact with them and he figured that out when.
01:08:14
Steve was about. To do something that will cause
01:08:16
him to actually die. And you're faced with that.
01:08:19
Truth. Yeah.
01:08:23
I kind of feel like I. Feel like he was.
01:08:26
Conscious of what he was doing simply because.
01:08:31
And I think it was easier. For him to push Steve away and
01:08:34
be like, OK, you know what? I can keep him at arm's length,
01:08:37
but at least at arm's length, I can still see him.
01:08:41
I still like there's not as much of a chance of him.
01:08:47
Maybe me losing. Him because I, I guess he felt
01:08:49
he could have felt like if he pushes Steve away, Steve will
01:08:53
kind of disengage from that whole group and all the stuff
01:08:56
that they do and he'll be safe. And I think.
01:09:01
Again, I think a lot of it too, has to go back to Dustin having
01:09:05
a lot of of guilt. I think he felt guilty about
01:09:08
Eddie. Some of that guilt.
01:09:11
Transferred to the whole Steve thing and.
01:09:14
I think he was. Just kind of like, OK, you know
01:09:16
what? I'm just going to keep him right
01:09:19
here. And I'm just.
01:09:22
Going to shout at him and I'm just going to, you know, make
01:09:25
him not want to be around me and he'll be OK.
01:09:28
At least I'll know he'll be OK. I might miss him, but he'll be
01:09:31
OK. You've given him too much credit
01:09:35
for his age. Hanukkah, honestly, or even
01:09:38
1817. I remember it's like being 1617,
01:09:41
right? But you don't consciously say
01:09:43
I'm pushing someone away. Yes, you do.
01:09:46
If you're dealing with grief. Again, I've, I've been there at
01:09:49
that age. I have too.
01:09:50
But I'm like working with people.
01:09:51
You do little things like we all do things.
01:09:54
And when you look at the whole picture, you are pushing people
01:09:57
away. There's some things he's saying
01:09:58
that he's doing that he's pushing away.
01:10:01
But a lot of the stuff he was doing, he was doing, he was
01:10:04
doing out of his anger and his grief, but not knowing that that
01:10:09
is causing you to further put a rift in your relationship with
01:10:12
someone else. I don't know, I, I, I don't
01:10:15
think he woke up this morning and say, I'm going to keep
01:10:17
pushing Steve away. No, I think that's but when
01:10:21
Steve comes in, his Steve comes around you, you start feeling
01:10:25
certain things and you start saying different things.
01:10:28
That's going to cause you to have a separation, you guys,
01:10:34
because you gotta disagree, right?
01:10:36
Because you even look at the scenes I told him and I said,
01:10:38
look at the scenes when they're all in the woods.
01:10:41
Like there was even a moment where he was playing with his
01:10:45
friends and you can see the old Dustin.
01:10:49
And then as soon as they separated, he went right back.
01:10:53
And he probably didn't even realized.
01:10:55
And people probably didn't even realize if you looked at that
01:10:58
scene after they said what they need to do when he was all being
01:11:01
serious. And then they start joking
01:11:03
around, jumping on each other, tossing each other in the woods
01:11:07
and like you can see the old him.
01:11:10
And then as soon as they separated, he went back to
01:11:14
everything, that weight being back on him.
01:11:20
OK, I I still. Think that I'm going to add.
01:11:24
Him to to to the therapy list for next.
01:11:29
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, He still he. Still needs it, even though he
01:11:33
had his little conversation with Steve.
01:11:37
But that was that was a lot. And then the thing about it is
01:11:41
we don't know like. I like.
01:11:44
What the kids even said in the interview.
01:11:46
Like, we don't even know how Will was before season 1.
01:11:52
Yeah, we don't know how what Dustin was already dealing with
01:11:57
with having a single mom. Like, how did he have a single
01:12:00
mom? Where is his dad?
01:12:05
What issues did he already have Lonnie somewhere?
01:12:08
You know what I'm just saying because Lonnie Byers was a, he
01:12:14
was a, he was a shitty dad. And unfortunately, yeah, 'cause
01:12:18
he's just, he's just like Will. But it's like different, you see
01:12:23
what I'm saying? Like it's it's different on how
01:12:26
that looks like. Somehow Dustin have money but
01:12:31
not have money. His Mama ain't working like
01:12:35
Joyce is working and and and and Dustin to key thing Dustin get
01:12:41
to go to camp. That's true.
01:12:44
Out of out of state. Yeah.
01:12:47
OK, Yeah. Now he may have got a sponsor,
01:12:50
but he is his his his household is a little different.
01:12:55
And now I'm starting to wonder, where is his Mama?
01:12:58
Sitting at home answering the. Phone a new cat.
01:13:01
They got her another cat after that sitting at home answering
01:13:04
the phone. Because we, we at least know,
01:13:06
you know, because I think when Dustin missed the squawk, they
01:13:10
called, they called his house looking for him.
01:13:12
They was like, I just talked to Dustin's mom.
01:13:14
She hasn't heard from him either.
01:13:16
So we know she she's somewhere. She's sitting over there with
01:13:19
the cat. You sit on that couch with that
01:13:20
cat. I can't I.
01:13:24
Just can't. But we don't know.
01:13:26
Like we don't know his, like his history.
01:13:31
Like we got Steve's history. We.
01:13:34
No, we really. Don't have Steve's history, do
01:13:36
we? Like we don't know nothing about
01:13:37
Steve's family. What?
01:13:39
What's going on with Steve's family?
01:13:40
Because I don't remember. His dad is.
01:13:43
Hard on him but they are not around a lot and when his.
01:13:48
Dad goes. Out of town his mom goes trying
01:13:51
to keep up with him because he may have gotten into some
01:13:54
things. Oh, OK.
01:13:57
I don't remember that, but OK. He he kind of said it when they
01:14:01
came to his house. Like his dad went out of town
01:14:03
and his mom had to go, you know? Like.
01:14:07
Trying to watch. His dad.
01:14:09
And that is that expects him to be almost like in the family
01:14:13
business like with the uncle and then they kind of like was not.
01:14:20
Let the parents of that. Time they wasn't really
01:14:22
involved, but was on hard on him to follow in their footsteps.
01:14:28
You know, be popular, be the popular, be the job, Yeah.
01:14:35
Follow along you. Know it wasn't expected for him
01:14:38
to go to college expecting goodness to the business, right,
01:14:41
right. OK, because he mentioned that,
01:14:42
too. I do remember that part.
01:14:44
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:45
So for him wanting a family, a big family, is because of his
01:14:51
interaction with the kids. And then he realized he actually
01:14:55
like it. You know, he complaints all the
01:14:57
time about it, but he likes, he really likes being in a family.
01:15:03
Yeah. Nancy's.
01:15:03
Never going to want kids 'cause she's got not right.
01:15:07
Now, OK, that's her half her career.
01:15:11
Maybe one or two, one or two, one or two like.
01:15:17
I don't need no children. I have raised children.
01:15:21
I Yeah. Right.
01:15:25
On the other hand, I got Nancy's future.
01:15:28
Well, I got Nancy's future. So Dustin is going to have his
01:15:31
six kids and he's going to name Will Mike Lucas, right, Dustin,
01:15:37
right, Matt, right. He's going to have he's going to
01:15:42
have a fun loving like wife and stuff.
01:15:47
He is going to still be in contact with Robin and who she's
01:15:52
with. I'm not saying who's Auntie
01:15:54
Robin to the. Kids right she go.
01:15:57
You know, and he gonna have to explain to his wife why you
01:16:02
don't have to worry about Robin in our relationship.
01:16:05
I think she'll figure. It out every time Auntie Robin
01:16:08
comes around, auntie Susan comes around and.
01:16:12
Well, she may not see Robin. Robin is not going to be with
01:16:17
Vicki. But yeah, Robin's not going to
01:16:20
be with Vicki. So yeah.
01:16:22
And then Robin's. Not going to be with Vicki, No,
01:16:27
that's a goal. Study I don't know but yeah
01:16:30
that's just one of those that's that's like a first love and
01:16:33
she's always going to have fond memories of her but we'll get to
01:16:37
that one but and then Dustin is going to like the kids all know
01:16:42
Dustin like they need they need work with a man prom right and
01:16:48
and one of Steve Kidd is going to be super intelligent that
01:16:51
Dustin's going to take. I'd be like, let him.
01:16:55
Spend a week with me and they be doing all kind of experiments
01:16:59
because, yeah, because Dustin's going to be a professor.
01:17:05
OK, I can see. That he going to be a professor
01:17:08
and he's going to do research and some for a company that he
01:17:12
owns. OK, that's going to give us
01:17:16
iPhones. This is a Michelle.
01:17:17
Thing where she likes to she likes.
01:17:20
To plan everybody's future, that's the plan, everybody.
01:17:23
'S future after movies and TV shows going better give me that.
01:17:26
The inherited thing just continues.
01:17:28
On OK, go ahead well she. Mentioned professors, Let's talk
01:17:31
about Mr. Clark, because I'm so glad that Mister Clark is
01:17:34
finally in the know, right? And I, I'm sorry, when I called
01:17:37
the minister Scott earlier, yes, this is fantastic.
01:17:41
This is the best day of his life.
01:17:42
It's the best day of the year. You know the one.
01:17:46
Thing I want. To say about about Mr. Clark is
01:17:51
yes, Nichols. On Michelle's. 3rd viewing of
01:17:57
the episode I realized, oh, the librarian called him Nichols.
01:18:01
That's where he got it from. And I was like, oh.
01:18:04
That's where he got it from. And then, oh, side note, didn't
01:18:07
Hopper also date the librarian too?
01:18:13
Yeah, I think. So yeah, but you know what in a?
01:18:16
Town that small, There's going to be some old man first.
01:18:21
Of all when they. Came to Mr. Clark another time.
01:18:23
He had another woman. Mr. Clark is the pimp.
01:18:27
Oh so. OK, So what I wanted to say
01:18:29
about Mr. Clark is he made me think that, you know, I felt
01:18:33
really bad that Bob is not around because Bob and Mr. Clark
01:18:37
would have had a lot of this stuff figured out.
01:18:39
Yeah. Once.
01:18:40
Once they were in the. Know they've been not clear.
01:18:42
Mr. Clark, I. Wasn't trying to imply.
01:18:45
That as I'm saying yeah, if Bob when he's like yeah, he's in the
01:18:51
know now and and you know Bob rest in peace with it would have
01:18:54
been they they would have made a good team yeah, if he.
01:18:58
Was still around. And then the thing.
01:19:00
About what I like about Mr. Clark is, and I think we should
01:19:03
do this in life when opportunities open up, don't be
01:19:09
hesitant. Just go with it.
01:19:12
Just go with it because you never know what that will lead
01:19:15
you to. And for Mr. Clark, like
01:19:17
literally we making jokes like this is the best day of his
01:19:22
life, right? Like stuff that you like thought
01:19:25
of and you read about and you know of you saw something.
01:19:33
You got to see. And experience, experience some
01:19:36
things that you no other person could possibly.
01:19:39
So instead of those times when people like, hey, you want to go
01:19:42
here or go there or try this and like, no, no, no, I got to stay
01:19:47
home with the librarian. No, don't be knocking on my door
01:19:51
at 5:15 in the morning. Just say just go with it.
01:19:55
As long as it doesn't seem that dangerous.
01:19:57
Everyone, I don't want you to commit to something that may
01:19:59
cause some life harm, but just go with it.
01:20:02
Opportunity arrived. Guys go with it because you
01:20:04
never know where it's going to take you, Yeah.
01:20:07
But now at. Least he has answers like oh
01:20:10
This is why they've been asking me strange stuff over the last.
01:20:17
Yeah, because you got to. Think for somebody like him, you
01:20:20
have a student who disappeared, was presumed dead, came back to
01:20:25
life or returned, or whatever the case may be.
01:20:28
I'm sure he had some questions. Then you have all of this.
01:20:32
Other stuff, them calling asking him about an immersion tank and
01:20:35
if we wanted to do this and he's like OK 600 y'all need £600 of
01:20:40
salt and all this other stuff. Now he can sit back and think
01:20:44
like. This is what they were doing and
01:20:50
he can actually. I think in a lot of ways he can
01:20:53
feel proud and, and really feel like he's a part of that because
01:20:57
he was one of the reasons why they have an interest in all
01:21:00
that stuff or he nurtured that part of them, you know, but the
01:21:06
fact that he's in it and, and the other crazy thing is he went
01:21:11
and did it all. Because he.
01:21:13
He. Heard his star student was in
01:21:15
trouble. He didn't know about anything
01:21:17
yet. Because when he finally does
01:21:19
show up and meet up with the rest of the game and they were
01:21:21
like, yeah, Dustin's in under. And he was like under, they're
01:21:25
looking at Erica. Like you didn't tell him.
01:21:27
And she's probably looking at them like, well, I didn't know
01:21:29
if I should. I didn't know if I could.
01:21:31
I didn't know if I was supposed to.
01:21:33
Like I told him the information he needed in order to do what we
01:21:37
needed him to do right. So and then he has another
01:21:42
another star studio with him. He was like all in Erica.
01:21:48
Yes, let's talk about Erica. Well, Mr. Clark.
01:21:54
Survives. Oh, absolutely.
01:21:58
He writes a book and probably goes on look and probably goes
01:22:03
on the speaking circuit, yeah. Talking.
01:22:06
And they might. So where you know that from?
01:22:08
I don't know. I just more information.
01:22:10
I know about wormholes, right? Yeah.
01:22:13
He's going to become a famous science fiction author.
01:22:16
There you go. But Erica Sinclair.
01:22:21
So I read. Something on Twitter.
01:22:24
That really had me. Confused and and a little bit
01:22:27
perturbed because somebody made the statement that Holly Wheeler
01:22:33
has had more character development in seven episodes
01:22:37
that Erica Sinclair has had in the entire show.
01:22:41
And I'm looking at her like, are we watching the same show?
01:22:45
Because Erica Sinclair don't really need character
01:22:48
development. Like character development is
01:22:52
what happens when you take a character and you give them
01:22:55
story and you give them back story and you give them a art
01:22:59
and it kind of develops who they become.
01:23:02
Erica Sinclair has been Erica Sinclair since day one.
01:23:06
Since we met her. She has been sassy, she has been
01:23:09
smart, she has been confident, she has stood up for herself.
01:23:15
She like. What more?
01:23:18
Development do you need to have for her and and she did have
01:23:23
some development because she was able to also dusting basically.
01:23:29
Was like. Just embrace that you are
01:23:31
extremely smart. Just embrace it.
01:23:34
Add it on. You are a nerd.
01:23:38
And then? After that, she.
01:23:39
Was like, you know what, you right I am because I'm smarter
01:23:43
than some of these dumb mobile phones around here.
01:23:45
And she just in essence, she just added that on.
01:23:48
So she says, you know what, I'm going to be the one sitting in
01:23:51
the front of the room in Mr. Clark class.
01:23:55
And enjoying. Wormholes.
01:23:56
So we were watching the. Battle of star core episode and
01:24:01
Erica because they were doing the plan and Erica was like
01:24:04
their plan sucks. Y'all are going to die and her
01:24:10
interaction, her interaction with Murray and I'm 10, your
01:24:16
ball. Back.
01:24:20
She said so many. Out of pocket things to him, I'm
01:24:23
like, Oh my God, that was so uncalled for.
01:24:26
But she doesn't care. She doesn't care about your
01:24:29
feelings. At all.
01:24:33
I mean. Even in front.
01:24:34
Of her parents her parents were like Erica stating the facts
01:24:38
like. Eric, I mean.
01:24:41
Notice out of all of those little kids, even though now
01:24:44
she's older, ain't nobody messed with Erica, ain't nobody came
01:24:48
close to missing messing with Erica, no.
01:24:52
And people have. Timed the volume 1 episode where
01:24:57
she told them y'all got one minute.
01:24:59
People have actually timed it and it's been fun.
01:25:02
Exactly 1 minute yes. Uh huh.
01:25:05
It's been one minute. Yep.
01:25:08
So, but yeah. I heard her coming through first
01:25:14
of all in volume one with the syringe.
01:25:17
We we've already talked about that and then just in this one
01:25:20
like she. Is she?
01:25:23
Is one of the people that I think has been valuable to the
01:25:27
group, and even in this episode or in this volume when they're
01:25:31
trying to figure out the plan, she and Lucas go off to do 2
01:25:35
separate things. We have two.
01:25:38
Separate. Epiphanies and come back
01:25:39
together and they're like, oh, OK, let's see which one of us is
01:25:42
the smartest Sinclair. OK, here's my plan, blah blah
01:25:45
blah blah blah. Well here's my plan and it's a
01:25:47
better. I loved it.
01:25:50
Yeah, he said. My plan is bigger, better,
01:25:54
older. Yeah, going back to his New Coke
01:25:57
speech. In volume.
01:26:00
Three I mean season 3, but but. I mean I.
01:26:03
I love that character. I love the fact that she is a
01:26:08
cute little black girl. She doesn't apologize for her
01:26:10
cuteness. She doesn't apologize for her
01:26:12
brain. She doesn't apologize for her
01:26:14
mouth. She was like, look, this is me.
01:26:18
This is who I am and I'm not going to apologize for it.
01:26:22
I love it. And the fact that she's.
01:26:26
Right. At least 90.
01:26:29
Percent of the time that she says anything, I mean, it could
01:26:34
be something big, like the plan she made in volume to where it
01:26:37
can be something small, like you can't spell America without
01:26:40
Erica. I was like, wait, what?
01:26:42
I love it. Yes, for.
01:26:45
Me, I love that character and she definitely will not be dying
01:26:50
in in this she. Won't.
01:26:52
She Won't. She won't.
01:26:53
She'll run a Fortune 500 company.
01:26:58
No, no, no, she will. Own a Fortune 500.
01:27:01
OK, you saw where? She was when Vacna came out of
01:27:05
the portal and killed all the military people.
01:27:08
She was a back tower. She was.
01:27:11
Understanding everything. Exactly.
01:27:14
She probably said Nope. But they probably.
01:27:19
Also wasn't going to put her in that position and I don't think
01:27:22
she's not going to do that. I'm just saying.
01:27:26
She wouldn't even. They weren't going to send her
01:27:28
to the Upside Down because, I mean, granted, she just learned
01:27:32
about the Upside Down last year, you know?
01:27:35
And then also, she's younger than them.
01:27:37
She's still middle school age, technically.
01:27:39
So yeah, I don't think they would have done that.
01:27:42
But oh, Speaking of, Oh no. I wasn't talking about when they
01:27:47
went until sat down. I was saying when Victoria and
01:27:49
they came out of the portal in the battle, she was up in the
01:27:53
tower. They should have been there.
01:27:55
She was up in the tower. But she should have been down.
01:27:57
There because one, that is one kid.
01:27:59
He was not going to say, oh, she's weak, let me take her.
01:28:03
No, no. She's also.
01:28:05
Older than than his target demographic.
01:28:07
Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying no.
01:28:09
None. Other times.
01:28:11
Yeah. Yeah, when?
01:28:13
He was going. Through the town, that house he
01:28:16
just skipped over, yeah, he was like to get it, I'm done, 'cause
01:28:21
even Lucas is not that type of kid either.
01:28:23
So. I forget that.
01:28:26
Household, yeah, Yeah. But Speaking of the Upside Down,
01:28:34
I think, Michelle, I think you might have mentioned this.
01:28:37
Is it true that that really was Mike's first time in the Upside
01:28:40
Down? Yeah, that seems so.
01:28:46
Strange look then that means that would be Lucas's first time
01:28:50
too, right? He didn't go.
01:28:52
He didn't go. No, he didn't go.
01:28:54
He's. He's not on the truck, is he?
01:28:56
Now he will. Be his first time.
01:28:58
He didn't go. Yeah, he's on the truck.
01:29:01
He didn't go when they went. Oh, when they went to all your
01:29:03
desks. No, he was with.
01:29:04
Matt Yeah. So he didn't go, but he's on the
01:29:06
truck now. But now that's his first time.
01:29:09
First time. So Matt, his first time to be
01:29:11
the only person who hasn't been now, Yeah.
01:29:13
Yeah, wow. But yeah, that.
01:29:17
Was when they went when Erica. You count Erica.
01:29:21
Erica has been there. When that's right.
01:29:27
No, Erica. Robin has been.
01:29:30
Murray hasn't been. No, Murray.
01:29:33
Hasn't been, but then that was his first time.
01:29:38
Robin has been. Yeah, Robin was.
01:29:40
In there a long time in season 4 yeah yeah, she was she was here
01:29:45
with Steve yeah but Mike cause Mike when they went to.
01:29:55
No, Mike did. Where did it?
01:29:58
Go where did. It go, it was just a little.
01:30:01
Bit meaning it wasn't the upside down, but it had the atmosphere,
01:30:05
the upside down and that was when they were in the tunnel.
01:30:07
So he just had no but adjacent because it still had the
01:30:11
floating particles. So, but for him, that would be
01:30:16
the closest. Yeah, close.
01:30:18
But no cigar. But it was still part of the No,
01:30:24
it wasn't. Part of the upside down.
01:30:26
It had the upside down. Particles, yeah, but so does
01:30:29
Hawkins. Well, now it did, but.
01:30:33
Back then it did. I'm just saying close.
01:30:35
That's the only time. If people came at you, they may
01:30:39
bring up the fact that he was in the tunnels, Max.
01:30:42
Was only in there in her mind. She wasn't in there.
01:30:45
Well then Max was in the. Tunnels honestly too because she
01:30:48
drove them to the tunnels. She was in the tunnels too.
01:30:52
But officially this is Max. Hey I'm I'm with you.
01:30:55
This is Max first time. But the argument could be made
01:30:58
about the tunnels. No, it can't be.
01:31:01
No, because I'm just saying because of the partner.
01:31:05
Clearly. On your side agreeing.
01:31:07
I'm just saying so like it happens.
01:31:09
It doesn't. Sound like it?
01:31:11
I'm giving you the backup. So someone says something to
01:31:14
you. You have the the and the history
01:31:16
that they were. OK, so let's talk about the
01:31:18
tunnels. Let's talk about the tunnels,
01:31:21
because we find out in volume to that Will is the one who
01:31:24
actually built the tunnels. Because Becca.
01:31:27
Used him as his vessel. And builder, He called him his.
01:31:32
Builder and that's. Why the upside sound date is the
01:31:36
date that Will was missing. You're right y'all, he.
01:31:39
Has been abusing it, but he was his builder, his spy, his
01:31:43
vessel. He has assaulted that.
01:31:45
Boy since season 1, right? Which is why.
01:31:49
It it it's only fitting. That will does.
01:31:54
What he does so. So let me tell you.
01:31:59
The scene. Where Max and Holly are trying
01:32:02
to escape. And Vechner comes.
01:32:05
After them first. Of all.
01:32:08
That little scene at the top where Vechner changes in between
01:32:13
all his different personalities and then he ends up as as one
01:32:18
looking at them. I don't know what the fuck Jamie
01:32:21
Cambellbower does with his face. But I was scared.
01:32:29
That scene was so creepy and then for Will to be in his mind
01:32:37
and. Again, this is.
01:32:38
Him tapping into the hive mind. He's going after Vecna.
01:32:43
The things that he. Was doing when he grabbed hold
01:32:46
of Vecna and he started doing this like he was twisting a jar
01:32:50
a top off a jar. I was like is he really about to
01:32:53
try to break his neck? Yes he was really trying to
01:32:56
break Vec Vecna's neck broke his leg was doing all this stuff and
01:33:02
I was just like are y'all really going to kill Beckman this I was
01:33:06
like y'all can't it's too it's too early but then I started
01:33:09
thinking I was like well they. Keep saying that.
01:33:12
There's another big bad bigger than Vecna.
01:33:17
So I was like, OK, maybe they're.
01:33:20
Killing Vecna. Now and they're going to give us
01:33:21
the big or bad, but that whole scene with Will and Vecna and
01:33:26
and Will kind of taking control of Vecna's body, being able to
01:33:30
talk through Vecna to warn Max. Hey, you need to run.
01:33:34
The fact that Max was sitting there looking like what?
01:33:37
No, he he would not had to have repeated himself the first time.
01:33:42
He said, Max, if you can hear me, you need to run.
01:33:46
That would have been like, it's time to go up and gone.
01:33:50
It's time to go. You don't have to tell me twice.
01:33:54
And I think that's the only I think.
01:33:56
That's one of the. Only things I have the one of
01:33:59
the only issues I have with the volume with this volume is
01:34:04
dealing with Max's character because there were moments where
01:34:08
I feel like they slowed down. Her story.
01:34:15
In order to give us the story, but it's kind of like if you're
01:34:18
looking at it in in real time, you're like Max, you don't have
01:34:22
time for this. You need to go that that point
01:34:25
right there where Will or she thought it was 11, where whoever
01:34:29
was warning you to run, they shouldn't have had told you a
01:34:33
second time. You should have got the hell on
01:34:35
then. The other.
01:34:37
Part was when she and Holly finally do make it to where the
01:34:43
portals are, she gets ready to go through and she tells, you
01:34:48
know, she has a conversation with Holly that she has to stay.
01:34:51
I saw a lot of people were upset with that and a lot of people
01:34:53
were like, y'all should be running, y'all shouldn't have
01:34:56
taken that long. Again, going back to the whole
01:34:58
wheel dialogue. Max had to.
01:35:02
Explain to Holly. How she was going to have.
01:35:06
To get out there, because what was she going to?
01:35:08
How was what was going to happen if Holly went through Max's
01:35:11
portal with her, if she was even able to go to the portal, she
01:35:16
has nobody. If she got left behind and Max
01:35:20
went to her body, she doesn't know where she is.
01:35:22
She doesn't know how to get out. She doesn't know how to create a
01:35:25
portal. So.
01:35:28
I didn't have a problem with that.
01:35:30
Part The part that I did have a problem was with was once Hollis
01:35:35
portal showed up, I know y'all had to do everything the
01:35:38
beautiful way, the glorious way to run.
01:35:41
Y'all should be running. Y'all should be running from
01:35:44
jump to me. We all agree on that one.
01:35:47
They should have been running. See you on the other side, see
01:35:50
you on the other side. Let's see who gets there first.
01:35:53
And I do I. Agree with you, and the thing
01:35:55
about it is. It has.
01:35:59
Been I they did a great pairing with Max and Holly because Max
01:36:07
helping Holly through and then Holly like encouraging Max and
01:36:11
giving her the space to like, I'm not giving up.
01:36:13
You don't give up. And then working together and
01:36:16
even the speech at the end, like we, we wanted Max to get to
01:36:22
Lucas. I didn't have time for the
01:36:24
conversation, but the conversation needed to be had.
01:36:29
Holly needed to hear those things, right.
01:36:32
It's just that again, I needed her to run.
01:36:35
But I get it. I get it.
01:36:38
Y'all had to play that Kate Bush one more time because I get it.
01:36:43
I get it because and because to be honest with you, like you
01:36:47
couldn't leave that girl the way she was.
01:36:49
Just leave her out there. We had to figure out how to get
01:36:52
hers to come up. And then telling her, well, this
01:36:55
is what you need to do. Who?
01:36:57
Knew that we. Went where we supposed to be,
01:37:00
like I didn't know where he had them.
01:37:01
I'm assuming, OK, how it's gonna get to her house and they'll get
01:37:06
to her house where she was. But it was beautiful and.
01:37:12
Things she was. Saying I almost like in my heart
01:37:16
I thought she would think of her mom, but it wasn't.
01:37:21
Because at this point. She still doesn't know that
01:37:22
Cameron is actually alive. No, but just still like her mom
01:37:26
was always around. I just thought maybe her mom.
01:37:30
Was her. Inspiration.
01:37:31
I'm sorry, it's just, you know, me being a mom.
01:37:33
Well, here's the. Thing I knew it.
01:37:35
Wasn't I'm just saying during that speech, I just and it could
01:37:38
have been. But The thing is, it was her to
01:37:41
think of home. Think of what would get her home
01:37:44
if she's thinking her mom is dead because the last time she
01:37:47
saw her mom, her mom was face down on the floor with gashes
01:37:51
across her. She's not going to think.
01:37:53
That that's not well, no, and that's not what the speech was
01:37:56
for. I'm just saying and how they
01:37:57
wrote the speech, I was thinking her mom would be her
01:38:00
inspiration, but it was more about empowering Holly, to be
01:38:04
honest with you. It was about that.
01:38:05
I was just saying I wanted to be her mom, but it wasn't.
01:38:09
It was. A great speech and it was about
01:38:11
empowering yourself which is the same shit the will needed but
01:38:15
Holly got to so you know which will did get from Robin but Max
01:38:21
gave it to. Holly And then that was?
01:38:24
Good to push her for it because like she was, I didn't do this
01:38:28
when this was happening to mom and I didn't do this when it was
01:38:31
happening to you. Like boom, right?
01:38:33
Like what? Could you have done like they're
01:38:36
trying to kidnap you like you, you can't do anything and like
01:38:40
Max told her she said you're a Willie, you're smart.
01:38:43
You really think a fire poker would have stopped right him.
01:38:48
So I mean your dad had a Golf Club and and you see how that
01:38:52
worked out for him. I'm at a broken bottle of wine.
01:38:54
It still didn't work. So you know, you in a poker.
01:38:57
Oh, you going to do a whole lot honey with your 9 year old
01:39:00
strength. So OK, so who who we all we all
01:39:05
Max. Let's talk about Lou Max.
01:39:11
Well, you already. Know how I feel?
01:39:12
So I'm going to be quiet because that was just the best thing you
01:39:15
were. You know you're not going to be
01:39:16
that was the best thing in the world.
01:39:18
Y'all just don't understand how I felt on season 4 like you
01:39:23
felt. Like leading.
01:39:26
Up to what happened to Max, but you can feel how some they were
01:39:30
close and Max again was pushing herself apart because of her
01:39:34
guilt dealing with her brother. Like yeah, she thought many
01:39:38
times she wanted him to be dead because he, let's be completely
01:39:42
honest, he was abusive and he was an asshole he was.
01:39:45
But then. When someone actually.
01:39:46
Died you can be like, well damn, I didn't want them to die.
01:39:48
I just didn't want them to be a part of my life in that way.
01:39:52
So her feeling like that and just separating herself.
01:39:56
And if you watch the end of season 3 when her and Lucas is
01:40:02
just singing never ending story. And then I thought to myself
01:40:05
what that girl went through as the months pass and how she
01:40:10
really settled into every day and Elle's not around and she
01:40:15
she just really have Lucas and they're going to high school.
01:40:19
And then you start realizing that I caused all of this.
01:40:22
She was happy. And then to what she.
01:40:27
Got to when we started season 4 and.
01:40:30
Then for. Him to all the stuff we say
01:40:33
about him and then him trying to make connections with her and
01:40:38
she just wouldn't connect. And.
01:40:42
To see like towards the end, he's like, I'm still right here
01:40:45
for you. And then just the feels when
01:40:49
they're in that house and she is like laying his arms and I can't
01:40:53
see and he's just crying. And I was like, I can't take
01:40:56
this. And then that boy bit at that
01:40:58
bedside every day. One of the Youtubers I listen to
01:41:04
while I go see that talks about Stranger Things theories.
01:41:08
He added his own information in there.
01:41:11
He was like. Lucas Parents.
01:41:13
Had to bring him clothes after school and meals because he
01:41:18
didn't want to leave the hospital and I'm listening to it
01:41:20
like dude. Like you, like me, you.
01:41:23
Just add no one because that's what we thinking like he ain't
01:41:26
leaving and if he does he makes sure he stops by every other day
01:41:31
he's playing next he made a longer tape set of that he's
01:41:36
reading to her like. It's a lot.
01:41:41
Yeah, and even for her to see him, for Max to see Lucas that
01:41:47
one time when she made it close and the damn tape stopped.
01:41:53
And then to realize. That.
01:41:56
Who knows where her Mama? Is because we haven't even
01:41:58
mentioned her mom but let's just ignore that part so you know
01:42:01
what somebody said her mom make may be dead because that that
01:42:06
trailer park was near 1 of the risks Oh you'll find out OK yeah
01:42:12
so. Dead or something?
01:42:15
Or just can't take it any longer.
01:42:16
But to see that this boy is is is at your bedside still playing
01:42:20
your song. So that just encourages you.
01:42:25
And then you're at the end talking to Holly.
01:42:29
Why? You see your window open and
01:42:31
again, what do you see, Lucas? Yes, at this point, holding you,
01:42:35
carrying you. Like, I'm sorry.
01:42:41
This is I don't this is the best love story ever for.
01:42:46
Me, Lucas and Matt. In this show and they better be
01:42:50
together school sweethearts that are going to come to the 60th
01:42:54
reunion and they're still married and they're still happy
01:42:58
and they have the inside jokes and stuff and even though
01:43:01
they're trauma bound too and we'll talk about that later with
01:43:04
another couple. They are OK with this.
01:43:07
OK they got kids, you know they look light skinned freckles
01:43:14
they're. Sandy Reddish.
01:43:15
Hair, you know what I'm saying? You know, you know those mixed
01:43:19
black kids because sandy reddish hair, so cute with freckles,
01:43:23
that is. That is them.
01:43:25
I don't what Lucas is doing as a job.
01:43:27
I don't know what Max is doing as a job.
01:43:29
I ain't got that far. But they are together and they
01:43:32
are happy. Yeah.
01:43:35
Lucas, is that cool? Ass teacher that you had in high
01:43:38
school. Yeah, but I I so ask, maybe a
01:43:44
therapist do. You think?
01:43:49
Yeah, 'cause she yeah, I can see her being a grief therapist.
01:43:53
OK, yeah. But it was, it was the best
01:43:56
thing in the world. And then to the.
01:43:59
Fact that. Caleb actually was carrying say
01:44:04
that whole time over. And over and care, and then to.
01:44:08
Watch the scene. It's it's cute and it's cute and
01:44:12
like intense because he is carrying her and when he got the
01:44:15
elevator as he kicked a Demi dog, he got the elevator.
01:44:18
Like what the Hell's going on? What's happening, What's going
01:44:21
on? And I'm like, I don't know.
01:44:22
He's like, well, where they come from, how they tracking us?
01:44:25
We don't know, but we got to hide at the same time he's
01:44:27
carrying with the music playing. I'm carrying with the music
01:44:30
playing, carrying her with the music playing.
01:44:32
And when when like he has the music playing, the demo dogs are
01:44:36
in the room with them and Robin's like we got to turn it
01:44:40
off. He was like, Nope, she's coming
01:44:41
back. Because before the the demo dogs
01:44:44
got to them, he could see that she was responding.
01:44:47
So he was like, Nope, something is happening.
01:44:49
She's coming back. Not I'm not losing her.
01:44:53
Gotta turn it off. And he's like, Nope.
01:44:55
And you see, he kept that music playing.
01:44:57
He turned it down a little, but he kept that music playing,
01:45:01
right? He was like, no, he didn't care,
01:45:04
but he wanted that music playing because Will gave him what he
01:45:08
needed and she was there. He believed she was there, but
01:45:11
he confirmed it and that they going after so he was going to
01:45:15
protect his Boo. But I mean I have cried every
01:45:19
time I see that scene yes, especially when she when she
01:45:23
finally opens her eyes. I love it that the first thing
01:45:27
he says to her is are you OK? Do you hurt anywhere like none
01:45:33
of the other superficial. He was like look, I are you OK?
01:45:38
Do you hurt? What what do I need to do?
01:45:41
I was like. This 16 year old.
01:45:44
Boy can teach a lot of grown ass men a thing or two about taking
01:45:50
care of their partner, right and and to the to the point where he
01:45:56
was like and then it confirmed it when she was like, I didn't
01:46:00
need the music and he was honest too.
01:46:03
I I'm not tired of the song, are you?
01:46:06
Yes. Yeah, I was tired of it.
01:46:09
I'm tired of it. Michelle has watched the show so
01:46:12
many times. I am fine if I never hear that
01:46:16
song, so I kind. Of am but you know, only I'm
01:46:19
going to listen to it for you. Like that's our favorite, that's
01:46:21
our way to song. But I'm tired of it, to be
01:46:24
honest with you. And then she said I didn't need
01:46:26
it. All I needed was you.
01:46:28
That right there, we married. I'm good right?
01:46:32
And he didn't let her go. Y'all all trying to wonder why
01:46:35
Elle didn't hug her and all this stuff.
01:46:39
Do y'all know that boy was still holding on to her the whole
01:46:42
entire time until they got her into the wheelchair?
01:46:47
He. Wasn't letting her.
01:46:48
Go. And he made sure she was wheeled
01:46:50
around and she couldn't really move either.
01:46:53
Her muscles had atrophied. Yeah, but he wasn't letting her
01:46:57
go. No.
01:46:59
No. I'm just saying I'm.
01:47:03
Surprised he going to the upside down now.
01:47:07
Look, he's like I'm. I'm he's like, look, this dude
01:47:11
went after one of my best friends.
01:47:13
He don't went after my girl. He don't went after my my other
01:47:16
best friend's sister. Now we got to take him out.
01:47:19
Will is like, I mean, Lucas is like, I'm done.
01:47:22
I'm done. I need a break from.
01:47:25
This Vetna dude, we need to kill him so I can go live my happy
01:47:29
little life. You done?
01:47:32
That's how Max, I mean that's how Mike feel right now.
01:47:35
You can see that in his face. But when we get to Mike, we can
01:47:39
we can go ahead and get to Mike now because I mean Matt, Matt, I
01:47:43
mean Max and Lucas, like, like we said, one of the best parts
01:47:47
of the season. We already know they're in game.
01:47:51
And I mean, just the fact that even with all of this, they keep
01:47:55
their with, they keep their banter with each other even when
01:47:58
Max is seeing the other characters, like when when Will
01:48:01
finally sees her, she was like, I leave you alone for a second
01:48:04
and you become a source. And he's like, it was a little
01:48:07
bit longer than a second. But you know, just the the
01:48:10
banter. She she's still there up until
01:48:13
she finds out what happens to Holly, and then she kind of
01:48:17
feels responsible. But again, you did what you were
01:48:20
supposed to do. How were you supposed to know
01:48:23
that the Upside Down wasn't where Holly was?
01:48:26
You had no idea this other, this other part even existed.
01:48:31
You know, So I understand all these people, they're feeling
01:48:35
guilty about certain things. Or I didn't know this and I
01:48:38
couldn't do this. Y'all are only human right?
01:48:42
Only do what you can do with the information you have and now you
01:48:46
have information for them. But we honestly needed to get
01:48:50
you out 'cause your body is physically there.
01:48:52
He is trying to harm it. So you have I'm really.
01:48:56
Surprised that he didn't know where she was up until then.
01:48:58
Like how how Something about him didn't think, OK, let me check
01:49:03
in the hospital. Like he wasn't a threat.
01:49:07
Well, yeah. And he was like at that point,
01:49:12
but at that point, she wasn't a threat.
01:49:15
She wasn't doing anything in his mind.
01:49:17
He he probably but. When?
01:49:22
He she took Harley. Yeah, that's messing up his
01:49:26
plan. So she has to die now.
01:49:29
Yeah, Yeah. She has to die.
01:49:33
Now so. Beautiful.
01:49:36
It was beautiful. I'm happy we can carry on.
01:49:41
And thank you, Missus. Wheeler for saving their lives.
01:49:44
OK, so before we go on to my, let's talk about Missus Wheeler
01:49:48
because. She's still in the hospital.
01:49:52
When the demo dogs come after. Max.
01:49:57
The lights start blinking in the hospital.
01:49:59
She everybody keeps saying, oh, she got up when she heard them
01:50:03
talking. Call Lucas's name on the thing.
01:50:05
No, she was up before then when those lights started flashing,
01:50:11
she sat up in that hospital bed because that's exactly what was
01:50:14
happening in her house. She knew something wasn't right.
01:50:17
And then when she hears Robin on the intercom, Lucas is Robin you
01:50:24
got? A demo coming.
01:50:25
Your way you got. To go, you got to.
01:50:27
Go. She didn't know what a demo was.
01:50:31
She just knew. Robin is on the intercom at the
01:50:34
hospital telling. Lucas to.
01:50:36
Get Max to get a comatose patient and run.
01:50:41
We will meet. She may not and she may not know
01:50:44
who Robin is, but she know Lucas is and Max is.
01:50:50
They've been at her house, right?
01:50:52
Lucas is like practically one of her children, right?
01:50:55
She knows his parents and know that that this their friend is
01:51:00
in the hospital. So she knows that, yes.
01:51:04
And and. She probably was just like
01:51:07
lights blinking. Something's after Lucas.
01:51:10
This may be the same thing that was after Holly.
01:51:15
And as as. Much pain as she is in, as weak
01:51:18
as she is in, you know, weakest state she is in.
01:51:21
She gets up, she goes to the door, she sees them oxygen
01:51:24
tanks. And I was like, what is she
01:51:26
about to do with the oxygen tank?
01:51:28
I didn't even think about the fact that they went down to the
01:51:30
laundry. I wasn't thinking any of that.
01:51:32
They were in the laundry. You know, they're hiding from
01:51:36
the demo dogs. Robin and Vicki are having a
01:51:38
conversation because Vicki this whole time, once Robin confessed
01:51:42
to her, thinks that Robin is a druggie.
01:51:44
They're having their little confession time.
01:51:47
They're about to get discovered by the demo dogs and all of a
01:51:50
sudden you hear the dryer. It's like the hell.
01:51:55
And then you hear the clanking. And I was like, did she put the
01:51:59
oxygen? The demo dogs go over to the
01:52:03
dryer. There's an oxygen tank in the
01:52:07
dryer. You get a freeze frame of the
01:52:11
flammable signal symbol on the tank and then they pan over to
01:52:17
the temperature gauge of the dryer.
01:52:18
It's all high. I said, oh, she got to blow some
01:52:21
shit up. And sure enough, the.
01:52:24
Double dogs. They look up, they go.
01:52:27
Right before. The dryer blows up, you have all
01:52:31
this smoke robbing in the game. They get up, they're trying to
01:52:34
look and see who this is, and here she comes limping through
01:52:37
all the smoke and it's Miss Wheeler.
01:52:40
I was like, you know what? Four Seasons of almost nothing
01:52:50
and I said almost nothing. She did have some stuff.
01:52:52
We did see some dialogue. We saw her being a mom but bad
01:52:58
ass in in the. Behind in the behind the scenes
01:53:02
stuff they show she was really, The actress was really excited
01:53:06
about the scene because she finally got to do something, I'm
01:53:10
sure. And they?
01:53:11
Showed her before she did her entrance she was doing push ups,
01:53:15
jumping jacks. She was getting herself hyped up
01:53:18
for It's OK to Be. Barefoot, yeah.
01:53:20
They're like, we could have put on like.
01:53:21
Naked shoes for her so and she's like, no, she's going to do a
01:53:24
barefoot it. Was kind of.
01:53:27
It was really cool. That makes me happy.
01:53:29
For her, yeah, something. But yeah, but everybody.
01:53:32
Else's parents. Justin Luby's.
01:53:35
Parents, we y'all do it right? But I I want to hear that
01:53:38
conversation between her and Joyce when all this is over.
01:53:42
Excuse me? You didn't.
01:53:43
Yeah. Mike, really 'cause you do all
01:53:45
this. My kids were in danger.
01:53:48
And you, you you can't come to my house and say something.
01:53:50
But season 1 when I told y'all that there was monsters in the
01:53:55
wall and everything and my son that y'all said was dead was not
01:53:59
dead, y'all called me crazy. So that is true.
01:54:02
Yeah, that is true. That's true.
01:54:04
So she said F y'all but real quick with Miss Wheeler.
01:54:11
But really it's Holly. As someone pointed out, times
01:54:14
that Holly was sensitive to things that were going on.
01:54:20
Holly saw as a little kid, she saw the imprints in the wall.
01:54:25
We saw a. She didn't.
01:54:27
She was looking at the wall before it started pushing on the
01:54:30
wall. Oh yeah, I remember.
01:54:31
That. Yeah, Season 1, like, yeah,
01:54:33
'cause it was like doing all that to the wall.
01:54:36
She saw that. No, I'm saying she saw.
01:54:39
She looked at the wall. Yeah, I'm talking about before.
01:54:41
It did it. I'm talking.
01:54:42
About even when she was a. Little kid that.
01:54:45
That was when she was a kid. When she was in Will's.
01:54:46
One, she was in Will's bedroom, OK.
01:54:50
Yeah, it's about. I'm done from the beginning.
01:54:54
Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about. Season when she followed the
01:54:56
Christmas lights? Yep.
01:54:58
Yeah, I'm just saying she. Was sensitive to that lights
01:55:00
yeah he. Went to the room, she looked at
01:55:02
the wall and then it started pitching through the wall.
01:55:05
So she was licking before it did it right.
01:55:07
She was. Sensitive so and then season 3
01:55:10
I'm saying, hey, season 3 you're saying she was.
01:55:13
Leaking in the Hey children, let's stop arguing.
01:55:16
Well, no, I'm just saying she saw the things that other people
01:55:19
didn't see. Yeah, and then she saw again the
01:55:22
mind flayer. Physically, that's.
01:55:27
Not really it, but it physically going through the woods, heading
01:55:31
to the mall when she's on the Ferris wheel.
01:55:36
Yeah. But she was.
01:55:37
No one else was paying attention.
01:55:38
She was sensitive to that. Just saying she was sensitive.
01:55:41
Yeah, well, what's his name already?
01:55:43
Said that he chose kids who had unique abilities already.
01:55:47
Yeah. I'm really.
01:55:49
I'm really on the fence on that one.
01:55:51
Those were his words. Those were his words still.
01:55:55
On the fence. Those are his he's Yeah, he did
01:55:58
say that. But I was also wondering if it
01:56:01
maybe it wasn't, Maybe it's not that they have the abilities,
01:56:05
but maybe their minds a little bit open.
01:56:07
Because I'm wondering was because the fact that kids all
01:56:11
call him the same thing, are they all reading A Wrinkle in
01:56:15
Time? Like is that the common thread?
01:56:17
Like all of them are reading that And they're like, I don't
01:56:21
know, because, well, that's hard.
01:56:23
To say because I mean, I'm old when I was in the 1st grade,
01:56:27
first or second grade, first grade.
01:56:29
I think we we read The Wrinkle in Time as a class in first
01:56:34
grade. Well, my reading.
01:56:35
Group did. Oh Lord, here we go.
01:56:38
So I'm sorry, my bad that. My reading group was I'm.
01:56:42
Just saying that they're not in first grade, but so they're
01:56:46
looking fine. We'll see by the time I mean at
01:56:49
that. Time Wrinkling Time was a book
01:56:52
that people were assigning as reading in school so they could
01:56:57
have read it as a class. They could have or.
01:57:02
His first his first victim was Holly and she was reading it and
01:57:07
he used it. It was easy to use that name
01:57:11
good. So it's a possibility of be a
01:57:13
bow, or if they both of them read and half of them did, or if
01:57:17
they just all. Have the shining and y'all just
01:57:19
don't want to admit it. No, I'm OK.
01:57:21
With that, because I always say will was sensitive, quit.
01:57:24
Using that word. Sensitive.
01:57:26
To. Sensitive to it is you sensitive
01:57:30
to. The Shining is a.
01:57:32
Whole other No, that doesn't apply to this universe because I
01:57:36
believe that people are sensitive in real life like
01:57:39
that, yeah. Yeah, so sensitive.
01:57:42
You sensitive to things? Neutral term.
01:57:45
Yeah. Why are you so bothered by it?
01:57:47
Right. We're sensitive to you.
01:57:49
I don't know. Sensitive to you?
01:57:51
Yeah, So. He's not sensitive, He's not
01:58:02
sensitive. Like the sensitive I'm talking
01:58:04
about, I'm not sensitive and Will is sensitive and he's
01:58:08
sensitive so he both the sensitives.
01:58:12
Clearly, he cries. I see that she is a.
01:58:14
Word that establishes people have abilities.
01:58:17
Because then Elle is sensitive. No, Elle is not.
01:58:20
Sensitive. She actually thinks the ability
01:58:23
has powers. She has the power she's gifted.
01:58:26
She's a mutant. I mean there's there's way of
01:58:30
like. Yeah, she is not.
01:58:32
Sensitive at all? No, she's not.
01:58:35
She already has it. But those kids, you're right
01:58:39
there. I'm just going.
01:58:43
Based. On where Henry said no, they're.
01:58:46
Sensitive. I don't think they have their
01:58:48
social patches. He just saying it's.
01:58:51
Inside of them. But he also wanted to say
01:58:54
they're gullible. Yes, they weak.
01:58:57
Minded. And they cult.
01:58:59
Followers, I'm and I'm going to say this, those actors.
01:59:05
They did great. They are playing cult fanatics
01:59:08
to a team they are and it it is it is.
01:59:12
It is sad because honestly we do have this in real life, but it
01:59:17
to see the kids like this. And even when there is one or
01:59:22
two in the group who are like, no, this don't sound right.
01:59:28
But you then as a group just bully and threaten them in a way
01:59:33
where they're like, I have no way of disagreeing, but a green
01:59:38
to know that something is wrong, but have to go with it to know
01:59:42
that Derek is like in his brain, like this is not right, but I'm
01:59:48
going to die or my family's going to die.
01:59:53
And they're looking at me. Like they literally will cook me
01:59:55
alive. Let me tell you something.
01:59:58
And Holly, they just beat the shit out of her.
02:00:00
That little Thomas needs a karate chop to the fucking
02:00:04
throat. How dare you push her down the
02:00:06
stairs? Why?
02:00:08
What does our friend? What does our friend say they
02:00:10
need they they need their butts with?
02:00:13
Cat. Cat.
02:00:14
Yes. They need a whooping.
02:00:16
They need a whooping. They do, but.
02:00:18
I don't know if they need a whooping.
02:00:20
They are just so susceptible to things like it doesn't like it
02:00:24
ain't even clicking it don't even click in their brain that
02:00:29
they should not be throwing another child.
02:00:32
OK, and that's what I was going to say.
02:00:34
There's a difference the the little girls.
02:00:37
I can't remember that their names right now.
02:00:38
The little girls, they're the ones who are talking to her,
02:00:41
know how the you were mistaken, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:00:44
That's one thing that's being susceptible.
02:00:46
Thomas calling her a bitch and throwing her down the stairs.
02:00:49
That's a whole like he, he is a bully.
02:00:53
He is believing, he is taught, but he is caught up.
02:00:59
But at that. Point He thinks she is because
02:01:01
she just beat the mess out of the other two girls.
02:01:03
OK, but there is there are levels to this.
02:01:06
He can be caught up, but the fact that you went that extra
02:01:09
mile, he had that in him before Mr. What's it got to him?
02:01:14
I I don't think so. I think they they just caught
02:01:16
you. Just it brings out things.
02:01:19
You know what I'm saying? Like people have killed over
02:01:21
stupid stuff because you caught up in a group and y'all saying
02:01:25
that this is what y'all supposed to do.
02:01:26
The other kids, that's the problem.
02:01:28
They weren't trying to be that violent, not until she she
02:01:32
smacked her best friend in the face with a radio and the other
02:01:35
girl too. She pushes out and then you see
02:01:37
how the three of them beat her up and threw her down the stairs
02:01:41
again. If it really Holly did that
02:01:44
first, She did that to the 2 girls now Thomas Shit.
02:01:48
But he but. You what you just said it.
02:01:51
He she did that to the 2 girls to the girls right?
02:01:55
So what? Do you think he's going to do?
02:01:59
He just did that to the 2. Girls a part of the The Clone
02:02:02
group, the cluster, whatever we're going to call them.
02:02:05
Thomas had that in him before Vetner got but then you guys say
02:02:08
the other girls do too because the other girl choked her out.
02:02:11
The other girl. Was.
02:02:12
But but The thing is, she wasn't trying to choke her.
02:02:16
She was trying to hold her. She just happened to get the
02:02:19
bathroom. No happenstance.
02:02:20
You know, she was choking. They know what they were doing.
02:02:24
But this was all in favor of getting to the light, because
02:02:27
they need to get her to understand.
02:02:32
People do some. Come on Hanukkah, you know some
02:02:35
people do some crazy stuff and they're not in him.
02:02:39
Before Wagner got to him, Thomas had that.
02:02:42
You just messed with two people in your group.
02:02:45
She attacked 2 people in their group.
02:02:46
Yes, I understand that. And he went after her and called
02:02:50
her name and she beat, she kicked it.
02:02:52
Acting aggressive with even the other kids and with Derek before
02:02:56
hot, before they got to Holly. When, Derek?
02:03:01
When? Derek was coming out of the
02:03:03
woods after after Mr. Whatsit found him.
02:03:07
Everybody. Else was.
02:03:08
Asking him where's Mr. Whatsit, whatever, whatever Thomas was
02:03:11
the one who was, who was the most aggressive.
02:03:14
Thomas had that in him before Mr. Whatsit got to him well.
02:03:20
I don't think. I think he would have been more
02:03:22
spirited like Derek, but I don't think he was.
02:03:30
I think he was just a. Regular kid and that's what the
02:03:33
F up shit is. But they all different because
02:03:35
then you sit here and see kids getting beat up and you still
02:03:38
the people on the side who didn't even do anything, didn't
02:03:40
do anything. Like it's all messed up.
02:03:43
This is messed up and I feel like at this point if the kids
02:03:47
die except for Derek and Holly, I'm good.
02:03:52
I don't want the other. Kids to die.
02:03:53
No, I'm just joking everyone. But I don't know how they're
02:03:55
going to save 12 kids. That's going to be difficult.
02:04:01
That's going to be difficult. That's that's what I'm really
02:04:03
saying. I don't know how they're going
02:04:04
to do it. They're going to do it because
02:04:07
they're not going to kill these kids.
02:04:10
But I'm telling you, all I know is if they save the kids, they
02:04:16
got to get them some help because these kids going to grow
02:04:19
up and they, they going to believe things that because he's
02:04:25
telling the truth at this point, everybody in Hawkins is going to
02:04:27
need some, some, they're going to need some help.
02:04:30
But they're, they're going to because he's, he absolutely told
02:04:32
the truth. And if Will didn't have the
02:04:35
things he went through and the support he has to overcome.
02:04:42
He was weak minded. That's just say it.
02:04:45
Yeah. He's just say it.
02:04:46
He's just say it, but also it's like even looking at the way
02:04:52
that Henry interacts with these kids.
02:04:56
Even if I was a. Child that young.
02:04:59
There is something creepy about this man.
02:05:03
The way that he. Speaks the way that he walks,
02:05:07
the way that he kind of just expresses his.
02:05:10
Like Henry is so controlled when he talks to the kids.
02:05:15
Nobody is that controlled around children.
02:05:19
It's weird. And you know, the whole thing
02:05:22
about them being gullible and being susceptible, it's like,
02:05:27
what? What's wrong with your parents
02:05:29
that you don't see that something is wrong with this
02:05:31
man? It's just.
02:05:34
I that's what I'm but he's been working.
02:05:39
He's been What's that word? I don't really like that word
02:05:42
ruing them. Yeah, is.
02:05:44
That what you? Yeah.
02:05:45
That's. What I was looking for grooming
02:05:47
because and that's what he did. Like this wasn't all of a
02:05:50
sudden. They, you know, 2 days.
02:05:53
Ago, he said. You know, monsters coming like
02:05:56
he was constantly like talking to them and showing them.
02:06:00
Things. And being there three days
02:06:02
because he he started stalking Holly Halloween.
02:06:07
This is November 3rd when she was taken.
02:06:09
It's only been three days. So during the whole course of
02:06:14
this is 6 days because when when they go, when she and Max go
02:06:18
into her memories to to, you know, follow when Mr. what's it
02:06:23
first saw her? It was Halloween, she said it
02:06:27
was Halloween. We were watching we were
02:06:29
watching movies. She was like, I didn't see him.
02:06:31
But that's when they see Henry is standing outside the window
02:06:34
looking at her. It's only been six days, right?
02:06:36
But has it been? Even though that was the.
02:06:40
First they say that could be the first memory like you already
02:06:44
know he has scouted out Max the other 3 beforehand and.
02:06:51
Then started. To really get into their minds,
02:06:55
like did he comb get his collection and then start going
02:06:59
to really like pay attention to their life to then know the
02:07:02
things that he needed to say. That's what I'm saying.
02:07:06
So like he had a plan. And then once you have a plan,
02:07:09
you know the things that you need to say.
02:07:12
Like he knew how to approach Derrick, he knew how to approach
02:07:14
Holly, He knew how to approach the best friends.
02:07:17
Like there's different parts of these kids, you know, Will he
02:07:21
didn't even do that to. They just snatch Will.
02:07:25
But these other. Kids like talking to him.
02:07:27
You got one kid who may be like afraid that they can't make
02:07:31
friends. And he came like, oh, you're
02:07:32
such a great friend. I mean, I saw you playing.
02:07:35
What you got? I wish.
02:07:37
I had a friend. Like that, that's still creepy.
02:07:40
And he has that's that's what I'm saying.
02:07:42
And then at no point have we told these kids like you should
02:07:46
not be talking to this grown man who is not a family friend.
02:07:50
Well then he tells you like, I got a secret, I know, but I got
02:07:54
a secret like. Monsters.
02:07:57
Is coming and I'm really worried about you and your family and
02:08:00
you have such a special kid. It's like the underlying.
02:08:02
Context of the 70s and 80s was all the kids being kidnapped
02:08:06
like that? Yeah, and.
02:08:08
Take it. Yeah.
02:08:12
And saying something about like, your parents are here and I need
02:08:15
to bring you to your parents and kids like, OK, stranger danger.
02:08:19
Was a real thing, like OK. During that time it's just say
02:08:24
it. It is but.
02:08:28
Them kids. It's like I don't I don't but
02:08:31
they took it to another level like they took it to another
02:08:34
level. They did.
02:08:35
But also I mean I I really can't blame the the 2 girls because
02:08:42
Holly did assault them like. Like.
02:08:47
But y'all pushed her down the stairs and then the the
02:08:49
condition she was in at the end when Henry had them all around
02:08:53
the table and did the thing and their eyes rolled in the back of
02:08:57
their heads. I I was just like, she couldn't
02:09:00
she she didn't even have any fight in her at that point.
02:09:03
Nope, she didn't. She probably had a good
02:09:05
concussion. She probably had a good
02:09:07
concussion. And that definitely no fight.
02:09:11
No fight. Yeah, but yeah, I, I don't know,
02:09:17
especially now since we know that Holly is in the part of in
02:09:21
the dimension they call the abyss.
02:09:24
She's not in the upside down cuz when she when she does get out
02:09:28
in her portal she breaks. Herself.
02:09:31
Free. She runs out and she stands
02:09:33
there looking cuz she's like this doesn't look like anything,
02:09:37
Max told me. It looks like this is not hot.
02:09:40
You know, it's not a Upside Down version of Hawkins.
02:09:44
And when she's running, she trips over stone, she sees that
02:09:47
there is a gate. She pulls up the stone and she,
02:09:50
you know, she climbs through the gate.
02:09:52
And of course she's in the Upside Down at this point, but
02:09:56
she's literally Upside down. So when she goes through the
02:09:58
gate, she starts falling through the the tube, the the bridge,
02:10:03
the wormhole. She makes it.
02:10:06
To Hawkins, right above Hawkins Lab where Nancy and and Jonathan
02:10:11
and all them are. She stops mid air and then she's
02:10:15
yanked back because Vecna at this point has has captured her.
02:10:20
I was, I was just like, Kenny's kids get a break.
02:10:25
Can they get a break? But, you know, he takes Holly
02:10:29
back and then we see kind of the full cavern.
02:10:33
Of of where he has. Them and the Spires that they're
02:10:37
on and all the kids and stuff and it's like, yeah, how are
02:10:41
y'all going to rescue these kids?
02:10:45
Like I, I get. The plan that y'all have?
02:10:49
But the plan that. Y'all have is to really like,
02:10:52
yeah, OK, we're going to rescue Holly, we're going to rescue the
02:10:55
kids. I don't even know how y'all are
02:10:57
going to do that at this point. Because once you get.
02:11:01
Up there into the abyss, it's not like you're getting right
02:11:05
where the kids are. You got to go a distance and
02:11:08
then you got to go in this little tree that looks like 3
02:11:11
hands jumbled together and this is where he has the kids.
02:11:16
How are you going to get the kids down?
02:11:18
How are you going to transport the kids?
02:11:19
Because Hopper. Made the plan, he.
02:11:22
Was talking about there's a helicopter in the upside down.
02:11:25
We can take it up to the abyss, rescue the kids and come back.
02:11:29
You can't fit 12 kids on a helicopter.
02:11:31
Nope. Not with the.
02:11:34
Adults that are also going to have to be on the helicopter
02:11:37
because one person can't go in there and rescue all all them
02:11:40
kids and fight back. Then it's just not going to
02:11:42
happen. Well, wait.
02:11:44
There's military helicopters, some of them you could put 12
02:11:48
kids on it because they take squads of soldiers.
02:11:55
So you could you could. Theoretically, get 12 kids on
02:11:58
one of those helicopters. I'm just saying I'd have to.
02:12:02
Look and see he was in Vietnam. He he knows what kind of
02:12:05
helicopter they have, OK. Yeah, you do.
02:12:10
You can do it. They can be done, I mean.
02:12:13
They can't. They don't have to.
02:12:14
Sit. It'd be a little heavy.
02:12:16
But first of. All that's why.
02:12:18
I don't know. I can't.
02:12:20
I can't even hit her. Like y'all don't.
02:12:24
Get No, you get, you get like 12 kids and they ain't little kids
02:12:31
getting them all together to run the one spot.
02:12:35
I've been on field trips. This is going to be hell trying
02:12:38
to get them out and they're cool.
02:12:40
Like are are you going to be able to convince them to be
02:12:43
different when they? Wake up.
02:12:44
I mean, when they wake up and they see the suction thing in
02:12:47
their mouths, right, they're going to be disoriented.
02:12:49
So then to get them from being disoriented?
02:12:53
Like even to get to the. Tower to climb down the tower,
02:13:00
yeah. Or to convince them.
02:13:03
To climb No when they get. To when it comes down, they're
02:13:07
going to be on top of the tower. Like how you want to get. 12
02:13:10
kids down to climb down like their arms and legs in the
02:13:13
reach. Well, they're going to be.
02:13:16
Disoriented because when they look at the tower it's actually
02:13:19
going to be upside down, right but when they when they.
02:13:22
Get out of the tower. It's getting down to the ground.
02:13:25
Like even when you watch Steve and Jonathan climb, they're
02:13:29
stretching. Long way to go so.
02:13:31
How the hell? That's what's going through my
02:13:33
brain. Yeah, it's the I can believe
02:13:37
what they're doing. I have faith in their plans.
02:13:40
It's the day on 12 Keys, Steve's plan and Steve's plan, and it's
02:13:44
the kids. It's getting the kids because.
02:13:48
Literally you all need. Rope and literally like, let
02:13:51
them. Like.
02:13:52
Tie them and and pull them down because.
02:13:55
They're not going to be able to. Climb down, we going to be
02:13:57
stressed come come Wednesday, we going to be stressed watching
02:14:01
this rescue attempt. I mean.
02:14:06
The other thing is Elle could probably use her powers to kind
02:14:09
of levitate them. I don't know, but that's still,
02:14:13
that's a lot. Even even with Elle's powers,
02:14:17
she's I don't want to say she's struggling, but it takes a lot
02:14:22
for her. Like even in Volume 2 when she's
02:14:24
trying to. Put Murray.
02:14:27
'S truck, right side up. She's struggling.
02:14:32
That's just one thing you. Talk about 12 actual moving
02:14:36
bodies. Yeah, I, I don't know.
02:14:38
We we gonna have to sit here and think about.
02:14:40
And then she will she will do better then, because she'll be a
02:14:43
motion filled. She wasn't really a motion
02:14:45
filled with the truck. Like, come on, honey, Put some
02:14:49
put something in it. But that's still a lot, though,
02:14:51
to ask her to do a 12 kids. Yeah, but you know what?
02:14:57
OK, This is where Kylie can come in handy because she can make
02:15:02
the kids think that something, you know, she could.
02:15:05
She could make them see something serene.
02:15:08
She can make them see something normal so that they will calm
02:15:11
down and be like, OK, hey, let's go here.
02:15:15
She could. Do that.
02:15:16
So that could kind of help, yeah, but.
02:15:20
Then I got. It by the.
02:15:21
Time they get ready to go, the the abyss may have gone almost
02:15:27
all the way down the tower. Oh yeah, that's what, that's
02:15:30
what. Steve was talking about yeah, so
02:15:31
the abyss may have. Gone they was hoping that he.
02:15:34
Wasn't going to go that far down that they can jump out and hit
02:15:38
the ground. Yeah, that's a little too close.
02:15:40
That's a little close for comfort, but we have been not.
02:15:43
Getting close to the show this. Is true.
02:15:48
That's true. This is true.
02:15:49
The thing? Is it's still going to take time
02:15:51
for them to do everything they need to do like Hanukkah said,
02:15:55
but if they can stop. Him it will stop the merge, you
02:15:59
know, because he has to be connected to all the kids.
02:16:01
If she can get to him, it will stop, right?
02:16:03
But still got to. Get ill to the Hawkins Lab.
02:16:07
You're into the thing. And then she got to look for
02:16:09
him. And remember, that's not easy
02:16:12
because she already has a hard time trying to find him and he's
02:16:15
in the abyss so. That's what I'm.
02:16:19
Saying is, I think it's going to work out the the the base is
02:16:23
going to be almost all the way down the tower and they can just
02:16:26
jump out into the upside down I, I, I.
02:16:32
I I'm feeling it, I'm just not feeling that well.
02:16:35
They're going to be cutting it. Because then they got to get
02:16:38
them from the. Into the.
02:16:40
Right side up and blow the wormhole.
02:16:44
So it's a lot which I'm starting to think that's not going to
02:16:48
happen, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah.
02:16:53
OK, so we're going to move on from the kids because we're
02:16:55
running late. We still got a couple of things
02:16:57
we need to talk about. We definitely need to talk about
02:17:00
Henry's memory, the thing that he's scared of.
02:17:03
And we got to talk about Jonathan and Nancy.
02:17:05
So which where where do y'all want to go first?
02:17:08
Because Jonathan and. Nancy, let's go with Jonathan.
02:17:10
And Nancy? I'm glad they have resolved
02:17:15
their relationship issues and I'm glad she.
02:17:17
Chose herself, yeah. And Michelle?
02:17:20
Said that right y'all talked about that the last time we
02:17:23
podcast that she's she should choose herself.
02:17:25
She didn't need to be. With Jonathan What?
02:17:27
And they said all the reasons why they said the same reasons
02:17:30
we thought technically speaking though.
02:17:34
Jonathan made the. Decision Jonathan was the one
02:17:37
who who basically brought up, look, we're staying together
02:17:41
because we have shared trauma. Nobody else would be able to to
02:17:46
deal with this. Who will we even talk to?
02:17:49
And it just felt safe, right? But she.
02:17:52
Still could have she. They still chose.
02:17:56
They made a decision and she still didn't chose like, OK, let
02:17:58
me figure out about. She basically said I don't even
02:18:01
want to see. I like literally don't know what
02:18:03
I want. Yeah, that's again, choosing.
02:18:06
She's choosing herself. Yeah.
02:18:08
And for the people who were concerned.
02:18:11
If you did. Not know that this was a
02:18:14
breakup. I need you to.
02:18:19
Evaluate why. No, I need you to seriously ask
02:18:22
yourself questions of why you didn't think this was a breakup
02:18:26
and reflect on that. Yeah.
02:18:31
And understand that you can love someone and not be with him
02:18:38
because it's not right. And so if you need to leave
02:18:42
someone that you with right now. Believe them because.
02:18:46
You can still love them. They ain't right for you.
02:18:50
You can leave. Yeah.
02:18:52
And not only that, you. Can break.
02:18:55
Up with somebody and it not be ugly and it not be you know it.
02:19:04
It can actually be a beautiful thing.
02:19:06
It can be love and respect there and also understanding like both
02:19:12
of them realized they were holding on to each other for
02:19:16
familiarity, for comfort because of shared trauma.
02:19:20
And also they're they're always together because of all of this.
02:19:24
So it's kind of like, OK, well, why not?
02:19:26
But you know what, we can still love each other.
02:19:29
We can still be there for each other.
02:19:32
We can still fight with each other as far as fighting this
02:19:36
whole thing and protect each other and not be together,
02:19:40
right? But I.
02:19:42
Do want to tell people though, OK, don't try to stay home.
02:19:46
They did this because they thought.
02:19:47
They would die so it sound out. It sounded nice.
02:19:51
So if you do do this, you do this with a certified therapist
02:19:56
in the room. Because when y'all start
02:19:59
sprouting out things you don't like or things you did.
02:20:03
It is different. I think it when you not die, I
02:20:07
think it depends on the people because there are people.
02:20:09
No, it does, but you can have that conversation, but that
02:20:13
takes that takes some years to get to.
02:20:16
I'm just saying Hanukkah for some people don't just start
02:20:18
sprouting out that you you took the the boys PS-5 and pretend
02:20:24
like you just spill water on it when you really did.
02:20:26
You can't come out and say things like that.
02:20:29
OK, all right. You cannot come out and say you
02:20:32
took took a MK purse, a Coach purse, the Goodwill 'cause you
02:20:38
didn't like I just said, I don't know what happened to.
02:20:41
I think you left it in the rental car that we had when we
02:20:44
went on vacation. You can't do that.
02:20:46
It only works when y'all are both are open.
02:20:50
Yeah. And ready to receive.
02:20:53
Yeah. You know, that's finding words.
02:20:54
Someone tell you they don't like corn Hanukkah.
02:21:01
For you. That was good, right?
02:21:09
So. We got to be open to receive.
02:21:13
That we were on. Different paths because they
02:21:15
were coming at each other, but it was in love.
02:21:19
But you know, I think the other thing that is important for that
02:21:26
relationship is they were friends first.
02:21:32
And I think that has a lot to do with because a lot of.
02:21:36
Excuse me a lot. Of times these days when people.
02:21:40
Go out. With the intention of meeting
02:21:43
somebody. It's not I'm going to meet
02:21:46
somebody to be a friend. And then it develops into a
02:21:49
relationship. A lot of people go out looking
02:21:51
for a man looking for a woman looking for a relationship.
02:21:55
You know what I'm saying? And, and if you don't have that
02:21:58
strong friendship foundation, it will make things like this a lot
02:22:04
harder when things start falling apart.
02:22:07
You know, Nancy and Jonathan handled this in a very, very
02:22:11
mature way and in a way that I don't think.
02:22:15
I mean, I mean, if you think about it, think about the way
02:22:17
she broke up with Steve, that was very ugly.
02:22:20
It was very well she was drunk. But you know it.
02:22:24
Was it was one of those breakups that was not pretty, It was not
02:22:30
respectful. And, you know, it just.
02:22:35
Yeah, I think because she and Jonathan started out as friends
02:22:40
first, or at least that's how we we see the relationship start
02:22:43
because when we are introduced to Nancy and Steve, they're
02:22:46
already in a relationship. So we don't know how things work
02:22:49
with them. But we also know that they came
02:22:52
in, Nancy was dealing with stuff, Steve was dealing with
02:22:55
stuff, and Steve? Didn't.
02:22:58
Really know what Nancy was dealing with, you know what I'm
02:23:01
saying? So that friendship was not
02:23:02
really there in that sense. That's how I feel.
02:23:05
Because if that was her friend, she should have been able to
02:23:08
confide to him with some of the stuff that she was going on that
02:23:11
was going on. But that's, you know, again,
02:23:13
that was a younger version. That was, you know, young puppy
02:23:17
love. A lot of times they don't do
02:23:20
that type of thing. Jonathan and Nancy, I think, are
02:23:23
a little more established. And they were able to have that
02:23:26
conversation because of that foundation.
02:23:29
And they're older. They're older now because they
02:23:33
had a rocky beginning, just like her and Steve had a rocky
02:23:36
beginning. But see, we don't know what kind
02:23:39
of beginning her and Steve had because they were already a
02:23:41
couple when we met them. Somewhat somewhat they were
02:23:45
starting to she really liked him and he liked her and they were
02:23:49
getting getting in close and Barb kind of pushed things to a
02:23:53
different level. And we saw how Jonathan came in
02:23:57
the picture. He was literally, I'm so sorry.
02:23:59
We tend to forget that Jonathan was stalking her, you know, but
02:24:05
he was shy. OK, we.
02:24:08
Don't play that. Yeah, but he was.
02:24:11
Stalking her we did. We want to forget again that he
02:24:14
was taking pictures of her undressing.
02:24:16
But that's neither here nor there.
02:24:18
He's a photographer. So but I.
02:24:23
Think it's just been time. It's just been time.
02:24:25
And then even how they even got together was in the midst of
02:24:29
Steve and her having a break. OK, Nancy and Steve was on the
02:24:33
break, so Nancy cheated on Steve, but that's another day
02:24:36
and time. They were on the break.
02:24:38
They were on the break though. Well, depending on who breaking
02:24:44
it. Depends.
02:24:46
On how? The break was a break, but
02:24:48
someone doesn't know that it's a break.
02:24:52
That goes with Brick, she goes. Up with him, but he thinking,
02:24:57
but then the next day you left town with a boy and slept with
02:25:01
him. But that's neither here nor
02:25:02
there. We're not going back into the
02:25:04
past. Everyone has their things within
02:25:07
their relationship and what got them there.
02:25:09
But I'm just glad they came to a conclusion that this is not
02:25:13
going to work. And then when I'm really right.
02:25:16
But I'm concerned though, in their conversation nasty to go
02:25:22
to a a meetings and then Jonathan, you got to come up
02:25:26
with some other than weed. Jonathan.
02:25:29
Has probably been off the weed because going.
02:25:34
Through all. Of this, especially the stuff in
02:25:36
Lenoir, first of all, you're probably cut off from your your
02:25:41
your supplier. You definitely aren't.
02:25:43
I mean, this also goes well. You're not going to get sunny
02:25:45
delight though, but you not now that she threw away.
02:25:51
But come on now, 18 months in quarantine ain't no weed coming
02:25:56
into the town. You don't have to have weed
02:25:58
coming into town. Daddy was getting it.
02:26:00
From the boy who was probably growing it in his backyard
02:26:03
because he lives in a nice home 18 months with the military
02:26:07
presence there. You can still grow it.
02:26:10
You. Yes, it is weed.
02:26:12
You just they smoked weed. They smoked it all up in the
02:26:14
first three months. Michelle, come on now.
02:26:17
You know people are growing weed.
02:26:19
You are you know they growing weed.
02:26:21
They live some of them live on farmland.
02:26:24
The government is looking for 11.
02:26:28
And back now that's. Probably why they got.
02:26:30
That's probably why why they got rid of the police.
02:26:34
There are some soldiers who are going to the local high school
02:26:38
for some some side pieces. You know that.
02:26:43
You, I mean, I smoke that side, you know.
02:26:47
Three months, that's. A whole different, I mean a
02:26:49
whole different 4. That's a.
02:26:51
Whole different. Conversation, but OK.
02:26:53
But seriously. Like honestly, they live in a a
02:26:56
a town. You know that somebody is
02:26:58
growing. I'm just saying they're grown.
02:27:01
But when she see but they're. Still.
02:27:04
Not you believe me they can't leave they got a military
02:27:07
presence the town has been split into two half the people died
02:27:11
believe me they smoked all that stuff up in the 1st and they
02:27:14
still smoking because at this point we mixing shit up we.
02:27:18
Growing it. And we add in oregano and all
02:27:21
that kind of stuff because they have nothing to do.
02:27:27
I know that some. People, I don't really know this
02:27:29
so so you know, FBI just saying, I know some people was growing
02:27:33
some stuff during COVID. I'm just saying I don't know for
02:27:36
sure. I don't know for real.
02:27:37
I'm just imagining that people got bored and beside making
02:27:40
sourdough, they were making stuff.
02:27:43
There were still supply lines going.
02:27:45
There were still, people were still, and then some people
02:27:47
still have some stuff. Nowhere in Hawk except for
02:27:50
Hawkins. They believe me that I.
02:27:53
Smoked all that stuff up and they're growing more.
02:27:56
I'm telling you, they are growing more.
02:27:59
Come on those. Things got.
02:28:00
Nothing to do but sled down the middle.
02:28:04
Sidewalk. And smoke at the same time, OK.
02:28:08
I'm sorry. OK, but it's just sad though,
02:28:11
because they both realized that because of the stuff they're
02:28:13
going through, he's getting high and she's getting drunk and I
02:28:17
hate that. I just hate that for Nancy
02:28:20
because. She's acceptable to it.
02:28:24
Because her mom does it. So I just need her to, I mean,
02:28:29
really it is, you know, so I just really need her to.
02:28:32
Then moving forward, they need to get help with that because
02:28:35
they're still going to get drunk and high.
02:28:37
They just need to get some help. OK.
02:28:41
It just didn't mix with them together being drunk and high at
02:28:44
the same time. No.
02:28:46
OK, So what was the? Other other thing Veglar's
02:28:49
memory. Vector's memories.
02:28:51
Yes. Hold on before you get.
02:28:53
That deep with Vector's memories, we do Robin real
02:28:56
quick. I'm just glad that.
02:29:00
Everything has come out in the open for Robin.
02:29:02
And what's the name? Molly Greenwald.
02:29:08
Vicki. Vicki that Vicki now doesn't,
02:29:11
you know, believe that she's not a a druggie.
02:29:14
So now I'm worried about Vicki. Not worry about Vicki.
02:29:18
Vicki's hanging out with, she's taking care of Max.
02:29:21
She's. Taking care of Max.
02:29:23
She changed Max. Into an outfit she.
02:29:26
Put in some. Got it.
02:29:27
Out of that stupid hospital gown, Yeah.
02:29:30
And she's. She's working with her on
02:29:33
physical therapy when she told her if we.
02:29:37
Make it out. Of this alive.
02:29:39
We are going to Enzo's and we're going to get dessert.
02:29:41
That made me worried some somebody's not going to make it
02:29:44
to Enzo's and somebody's not getting dessert.
02:29:46
I don't know. Well, Enzo's going to be blown
02:29:48
up, but I don't know because she's she's not going to be part
02:29:52
of danger. She's sitting, she's literally
02:29:54
sitting with Max and she really is taking care of Max.
02:29:58
But I don't think. Robin is not going to tell me
02:30:01
you think that they're safe just because they're not in the
02:30:04
Upside Down. No but I'm just saying after Max
02:30:07
just had demo dogs being sent after her I think they're more
02:30:11
I'm worried more about the military shooting them.
02:30:17
OK, that part. That part I'm more be worried
02:30:20
about the military and them the men them into the action.
02:30:25
But no, I think the military is going to be more of a problem
02:30:29
for the ones who are going into the upside down because I think
02:30:33
both acres knows that 11 is down there and now General K also
02:30:39
knows that it right and they're going to go to the science lab
02:30:44
too in both places. So I do like everyone has an
02:30:49
issue with the military, but I do believe that Robin will live
02:30:55
and I think she's just going to go off and just have a bright
02:31:00
future. As a get in.
02:31:02
Different relationships, radio DJ somewhere else.
02:31:06
OK, so yeah, we can now get into VEGNA and how what's?
02:31:12
Going to happen, OK. So.
02:31:18
I have a feeling. Again, I mentioned it earlier
02:31:22
about them trying to trying. To bring back Vechner.
02:31:29
'S humanity or whatever. I think the memory that we saw
02:31:34
is probably going to be key to that because the memory that we
02:31:37
saw, the thing that's making him scared to go into The Cave,
02:31:42
Holly discovers a shaft, basically, and it leads to an
02:31:49
underground mine. And while they're in this
02:31:52
memory, there is a guy down there.
02:31:54
He's holding a suitcase, a silver suitcase.
02:31:57
And he starts panicking. Who are you?
02:32:01
Why are you here? Who sent you?
02:32:03
Who sent you? Who sent you?
02:32:04
And we see that it is a young Henry Creel.
02:32:07
He's in his Boy Scout uniform. He's like, hey, I live near
02:32:11
here. I saw, you know, I heard someone
02:32:15
fall down here. I'm just coming to check to see
02:32:17
if you all right now, this man is so freaked out by whoever it
02:32:21
is that's coming after him that he pulls a gun on this little
02:32:25
kid and Henry in this and we can't be more than maybe 8 or 9
02:32:29
himself. He's.
02:32:31
Just trying to help. The man.
02:32:34
Sir, please don't. Shoot, I'm just trying to help
02:32:36
you. Are you OK?
02:32:37
Because the man is very clearly hurt.
02:32:40
Holding on to the. Suitcase.
02:32:42
He shoots at Henry and shoots him I think in the hand.
02:32:47
Did he shoot? Him in the hand or.
02:32:48
Shoot in the hand, OK in the shoots at Henry.
02:32:54
Henry is looking at his. Hair like this motherfucker just
02:32:57
shot me. And as the.
02:33:00
Guy is trying to put another bullet in the go.
02:33:03
I don't know what kind of gun you had that you got one shot
02:33:06
off and you that that was all you had.
02:33:08
But Henry goes to him, wrestles the gun away from him, and then
02:33:14
he grabs a rock. He hits the guy and he's so
02:33:18
upset that this man shot at him that he literally bashes this
02:33:21
man's head in. I mean.
02:33:26
I'm sorry, I don't know. What the Boy Scouts been
02:33:28
teaching y'all? You sure?
02:33:32
Because I. Don't know.
02:33:33
No, but I mean, you're a 8 year old kid, 9 year old kid.
02:33:37
You're trying to help somebody and they shoot you.
02:33:40
Yeah. He probably.
02:33:41
Just he was angry, he was upset, he was emotional, he was all
02:33:45
these things. He's a little kid he doesn't
02:33:47
know how to deal with with what he just encountered.
02:33:49
Well, you don't want them to. Shoot you again.
02:33:52
That too. That too, but then.
02:33:56
As as Holly is watching this memory Henry.
02:34:02
Goes to. Open up the suitcase and right
02:34:06
before he opens it up and we see what's in it, Max kind of pulls
02:34:10
Holly out of the vision so they can escape.
02:34:15
So 1. What do you think was in the
02:34:18
suitcase? And two, do you think it was the
02:34:21
act of murder that Henry is scared of, or do you think
02:34:25
what's in the suitcase caused whatever?
02:34:31
Whatever it. Is the cause of Henry having the
02:34:34
abilities that he had. So we have to ask you, what do
02:34:40
you think? I'm assuming this.
02:34:43
Has something to do with the first shadow.
02:34:46
OK, it does. So what do you what?
02:34:50
So now this is great. What do you think?
02:34:53
I really think it has. And we're not going to say yes
02:34:55
or no, but and then we'll say yes or no and see how it
02:34:58
compares to. But what do you think?
02:35:01
I think whatever that guy had in the suitcase.
02:35:06
I don't know, I'm starting to. Think he probably stole it from
02:35:08
the lab. I'm thinking it was something
02:35:11
that probably affected Henry, gave him the abilities that he
02:35:16
had as far as like, you know, what he was able to do with his
02:35:20
parents, to his parents and to his sister.
02:35:22
But also I wonder if it has to do with the mind flayer and his
02:35:28
fascination with the what was the spiders that he was keeping
02:35:31
in jars? When he was a little kid.
02:35:34
So I'm wondering if all of that is connected, because if you
02:35:37
look at the mind Flayer, the mind flayer looks like a kind of
02:35:41
spider. And we had a.
02:35:43
Fascination with spiders that he found in the house when they
02:35:47
moved in. We know that he was doing things
02:35:50
with his mind. I don't think that he was doing
02:35:54
that stuff when he went to find that guy, because if he did, he
02:35:58
wouldn't have had to bash that guy's brains in.
02:36:00
If that guy shot him, he could have just held his hand out and
02:36:04
killed the guy right then. So I think whatever caused Henry
02:36:08
to be what Henry came started in that cave.
02:36:14
So some. Type of trauma happened that
02:36:16
that's why he's afraid of going in that cave.
02:36:20
I and yeah, I, I would say trauma or just whatever was in
02:36:25
the case that altered him, you know, but I think that will
02:36:31
probably also be the key to them not necessarily fixing him, but
02:36:37
maybe stripping away his powers, maybe turning him back human
02:36:42
completely and then will also be the key to destroying him.
02:36:49
OK, but. Yeah, I I was a little bit
02:36:53
disturbed about the fact that a 8 year old just sat there and
02:36:56
bashed that grown man Hit, hit it again.
02:36:59
I can understand. This man just shot me.
02:37:01
I was trying to help him. Even Holly was like, why did
02:37:04
that man hurt him? Or he was just trying to help
02:37:06
him, you know? And I, I think that's going to
02:37:10
be a big part of whatever happens with his character in
02:37:15
the final episode. So.
02:37:18
And again, I don't. Know anything about the first
02:37:20
Shadow? I don't know anything about
02:37:21
Henry Creel's back story other than what we've seen in the TV
02:37:25
show, but I just thought that that was very, again, you, you.
02:37:30
Kind of put a. Breadcrumb out there and then
02:37:33
you snatch it away, right? And really makes me think that
02:37:36
that that little piece of thing is important.
02:37:39
Not the killing part, but whatever.
02:37:41
But what happened when the key was attempting to open up the
02:37:44
case and and you're absolutely right, because if he at that
02:37:50
point, you know, he's younger. So if he had powers, then he
02:37:55
would have used his power. So clearly he didn't have
02:37:57
powers. And that's I'm sorry, that's a
02:37:59
little traumatic that the the man shot him in the hand.
02:38:03
So but it has to be something even worse.
02:38:06
And she don't even want to go into The Cave.
02:38:09
But we won't know until Wednesday.
02:38:12
Hopefully we do. Now what I find interesting and
02:38:18
it it like it's so disgusting, though, to me is that vector
02:38:22
like has now turned into like you see teeth and then like what
02:38:28
he has the kids in, you see a whole lot of teeth and then like
02:38:31
there's a heartbeat above him. So I'm like, is that the mind
02:38:36
flare? Like what is that?
02:38:37
Because that's so organic, like it's bones and teeth and skin
02:38:42
and then a heart. That's not vector's.
02:38:45
Heart. Yeah, no.
02:38:48
Because it makes me think of when I see that, that heart so
02:38:51
big, it makes me think of that movie we used to watch all the
02:38:54
time ago about the dragon. Is it dragon?
02:38:56
Heart Dragon? Heart.
02:38:58
Yeah, like. There has to be something and
02:39:01
then it looks like on the. Outside.
02:39:04
It looks like several hands kind of together.
02:39:07
Yeah. Or like it looks like a spider.
02:39:11
A dead spider. Yeah, Yeah.
02:39:14
So I'm just wondering what what that is is.
02:39:18
That the mind. Flayer like, but we haven't seen
02:39:20
the Mind Flayer at all this season.
02:39:23
But we didn't see it in Season 4, did we?
02:39:26
No, no, I don't know. But we haven't really.
02:39:30
We. Haven't seen a version of it
02:39:32
since the the. It was disgusting.
02:39:35
We caught the physical. One that was start to work.
02:39:38
Got it was disgusting. And that had like the teeth
02:39:41
things too, Like it was just, it was disgusting.
02:39:44
Yeah. So the other question I have, so
02:39:47
I've seen there are two theories I want to get your thoughts on
02:39:50
real quick before we wrap it up. I I know there's probably more
02:39:54
stuff we need to talk about, but yeah, a.
02:39:57
Lot. But I saw one theory that says
02:40:05
that Henry Creel may actually be 11's biological father.
02:40:12
Meaning that. Brenner used Henry to impregnate
02:40:18
the women or whatever instead of it being the blood transfusion
02:40:21
thing, that he may actually be the 11th biological father and
02:40:26
that's why she's the closest to him as far as his powers and,
02:40:30
and you know what she can do. What do you think about that?
02:40:39
I think we've had enough theories.
02:40:44
No. No, enough of the.
02:40:48
I don't. I'm just going to say the abuse
02:40:52
of Will and all the things that has happened to him that Vacna
02:40:56
has done, I don't, I don't know if I really want to think about
02:41:01
something like that happening to those, those women in that way,
02:41:06
especially Elle's mom, that Doctor Brown would, you know, I
02:41:10
don't, it's not outside the realm of possibility.
02:41:14
It's just. I would prefer that not to be
02:41:16
the case. Because we.
02:41:19
We. Have enough?
02:41:20
We have enough. Abuse going on.
02:41:24
As it is, yeah, I didn't even think about.
02:41:27
It that way this is. I didn't think.
02:41:30
About it as in it's a lot you added more to but I I was going,
02:41:35
I was OK with it just being. 11's.
02:41:40
Mom and then they did the blood on all the other women while
02:41:43
pregnant. But hearing Anthony said, I'm
02:41:47
like, no, OK, I'm going to leave that theory alone because that
02:41:50
is a little bit more extreme. That's.
02:41:53
And I wasn't even thinking of like and them not actually being
02:41:56
together. It's like, you get it, You you
02:41:59
already took advantage of Henry. And I'm saying like you took
02:42:03
advantage of them because, yes, he's powerful, but you put a
02:42:07
block on them and then you make him help you with these kids
02:42:12
that you produce from him. Yeah.
02:42:15
So then to also. Take his sperm.
02:42:17
That just seems to be it's a lot.
02:42:19
Yeah. And see I.
02:42:21
Wasn't even thinking about it in the sense that Anthony was
02:42:24
thinking about it, but it's like, we've been told that this
02:42:28
was a military program, that these women who came into this
02:42:33
program, they volunteered, remember, because they were
02:42:36
promised certain things, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:42:39
So I wasn't thinking of it in like an abuse situation like
02:42:44
these women probably agree, OK, yes, I'll I'll do this program,
02:42:48
I'll get pregnant, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:42:50
But that still would be. Abuse.
02:42:55
On Henry's part. So yeah, that OK that that would
02:43:02
that. Would be a little.
02:43:03
More disturbing, and that. I don't know if they.
02:43:06
Would want to paint Brenner as Oh well, you know what?
02:43:15
Because I was going to say maybe it.
02:43:16
Wasn't Brenner, maybe it was Doctor K, and that's why Doctor
02:43:19
K knows about the program but wasn't with Brenner.
02:43:21
Maybe that was the line that Brenner was like, no, maybe he
02:43:26
found out she did that with Henry and Terry eyes and he was
02:43:30
like, you got to go, we're not doing this, blah, blah blah blah
02:43:33
blah. Because we still don't know.
02:43:37
The extent of Doctor K's involvement with Doctor Brenner,
02:43:41
Right? And she knows enough to know how
02:43:43
to duplicate his program, right. And I'm.
02:43:46
I'm thinking, and I really don't know.
02:43:49
And I don't know if this is related to anything else.
02:43:52
Like I'm thinking she's actually from the origin.
02:43:54
The. Never mind what?
02:43:58
The original program. Yeah.
02:44:02
Well, someone did say. MK like will be Martin and Kate
02:44:07
and like. Brenner was.
02:44:08
Like maybe one of their students and he branched off and did that
02:44:12
and then she then. Saw what he was.
02:44:16
Doing and that's why she's trying to find the the kids that
02:44:20
was left over to do what he did, but.
02:44:25
Then what she. Had in mind was something
02:44:27
totally different and he went off and did his own thing and
02:44:31
he's like oh OK well that's we can use that now I don't know OK
02:44:37
all right. The and they had to know each
02:44:39
other. Yeah.
02:44:40
Absolutely. When they say.
02:44:42
MK Ultra there was Martin, but when did we get MK?
02:44:45
Ultra from. When that was the program.
02:44:51
Right. Yeah.
02:44:51
When? Robin.
02:44:52
And which we call going through the microfichs.
02:44:55
Yeah, so she. Yeah, so.
02:44:58
She's. She's I mean, she's the the, the
02:45:01
OG. And well, I think they they.
02:45:05
Did they started? They probably started it.
02:45:06
Together. Yeah.
02:45:08
That's why I'm saying they probably started it together,
02:45:11
you know, a scientist and. She was a military scientist and
02:45:14
they. They assigned.
02:45:15
To him or working together, yeah, but he went off.
02:45:18
And did his own shit. That's what I'm trying to say.
02:45:20
Like he no, I'm saying she probably was the one who went
02:45:23
off like. She was the one.
02:45:26
If, if this whole Henry Creole is Elle's biological father
02:45:31
thing is true, if, if that turns out to be something I'm saying,
02:45:36
I don't think Brenner would have done that because again, Brenner
02:45:40
formed a bond with the children that he that he was under him.
02:45:45
I don't think he would have violated them in that way
02:45:48
because he did look at them as like his children.
02:45:52
But he was there when. But he was there from the
02:45:55
beginning. Listen to what I'm saying.
02:45:58
I'm saying we're saying both of them were there from the
02:46:01
beginning. They were partners.
02:46:03
No, I'm saying beginning. OK, never mind.
02:46:06
I'm saying before the kids and before Henry begin, but Henry
02:46:14
was the start of the program. That's why he's. #1 Henry was
02:46:20
part of the program. No, we talk about it next week.
02:46:24
OK, OK. And and.
02:46:28
And, and the other thing is you can just look at it and say,
02:46:31
well, she's looking at military applications.
02:46:36
He's in it just for the science. Yeah.
02:46:39
So. Basically whoever was with the
02:46:42
suitcase of the guy in The Cave time, which is before OK, OK, so
02:46:50
whatever that is, I don't know what that is.
02:46:53
OK, so that's something that's coming from some research or
02:46:55
something. Something is happening.
02:46:57
I see what you're saying. I'm saying I'm saying from that
02:47:00
beginning. OK, OK, You know when they may
02:47:03
have just ideas And then and then Henry comes along and
02:47:07
you're like, oh shit. I'm just saying they reason.
02:47:09
Why they weren't really together when by the time we get into the
02:47:12
story is she's doing military applications of whatever they're
02:47:17
doing and he's just, he went off and did something.
02:47:20
Yeah, because then he starts researching the wormhole.
02:47:23
So like he was, he was on his own stuff.
02:47:30
And now she's trying. To replicate that and it's not
02:47:34
working. I don't even.
02:47:37
I don't even know it. Was she really trying to
02:47:39
replicate it? Yeah, he's trying to.
02:47:40
Continue in. The program she was already
02:47:42
doing. We don't know we.
02:47:45
Don't know what time they split up.
02:47:47
That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah.
02:47:48
When they split, they split before he start doing creating,
02:47:54
you know, numbers or did they split up in the midst of
02:48:00
creating? She was.
02:48:01
She was probably. His boss and when he died that
02:48:06
was when she's like let me go find out what the hell is going
02:48:09
on. Then she finds out about Cali
02:48:11
being around. Boom, we can do this program all
02:48:15
over again. Start it back up OK and.
02:48:18
See, he seems like he had no interest in Cali, no?
02:48:22
He did not. But that's what I think.
02:48:24
There's a reason why. Like because 11 is perfect.
02:48:28
Vessel, I mean 11 is. And that's why it's not working
02:48:31
now with these pregnant women. I feel sorry because they about
02:48:34
to collapse the wormhole and there's a bunch of pregnant
02:48:37
women who are dying anyway. But that's sad.
02:48:41
You're not thinking that part because they're not going to
02:48:44
save them. Yeah, but they're dying.
02:48:47
But they're dying already anyway.
02:48:48
Yeah. Yeah.
02:48:49
The other theory real quick is I heard someone say that Cali may
02:48:56
be the mind flayer. And I was thinking.
02:48:59
About that, I was like, I don't know if I feel like that's the
02:49:03
case, but thinking about it again.
02:49:08
You know, they keep saying. That there is another big bad
02:49:10
that's that's actually the the ultimate villain in this show
02:49:16
and it's not Vecna. It could be Callie.
02:49:19
That could be why she's trying to convince Elle to do such such
02:49:23
I did. She could be the one that's
02:49:25
actually controlling Henry or. As she calls.
02:49:29
Them, their brother, their brother, like everyone is like,
02:49:33
we don't call him her brother. He's passed that part.
02:49:38
I just saw that too. I saw that because someone
02:49:42
posted like what her name means with the tattoo on her neck
02:49:47
means and I'm like and then they put that her episode.
02:49:54
Was it all in front of the episode the the mine flare
02:49:58
episode? Oh.
02:50:02
Like it was her episode. And then the next episode was
02:50:04
the mine Flare episode. OK, OK, so I was like, and then
02:50:09
you know her name is like, you know the.
02:50:13
The. Dark Mother.
02:50:15
Earth or. Something like that.
02:50:17
Well, she's a. Polly is a Hindu.
02:50:20
Goddess, yes, and I think she's. I just saw.
02:50:27
Her, her, she's like the goddess of like, I think chaos and
02:50:33
destruction, so which they called the abyss.
02:50:38
Yeah, so. Yeah, I.
02:50:41
I. Think she's probably.
02:50:44
OK, so. But I mean, but we didn't trust
02:50:46
her anyway, so if she. Is the.
02:50:49
Big, big, bad. Then that would kind of fall in
02:50:52
line. And that just mean that, yeah,
02:50:54
yeah, 'cause she's like, it's called the black.
02:50:57
She's the black Mother Earth and a home plane is the abyss.
02:51:07
Hey y'all, she's. Chaotic Evil.
02:51:10
Her alignment is Chaotic evil. Chaos charm combat.
02:51:14
I don't know. I don't.
02:51:17
Know if we're stretching? It and again they're showing
02:51:19
pictures of her Nosebleed is now the opposite of what it was.
02:51:22
I don't know. Yeah.
02:51:25
I mean, right now we pulling their straws.
02:51:30
Not I mean some. Are reasonable straws.
02:51:33
Yeah, it's reasonable that she ain't who she says she is, not
02:51:38
outside the room. Of it's not.
02:51:40
It's not, but it's not. But like they said that they
02:51:44
have calmed the Internet too and no one has actually.
02:51:49
Put down they. Say it, would they the brothers?
02:51:56
They that no one. Has actually, you know.
02:51:59
Guessed it guessed. Guessed right correctly, so I
02:52:02
don't know. But that was like a couple.
02:52:05
Weeks ago. Who knows now, right?
02:52:09
Well, I. Mean we had all our.
02:52:10
Minds less than 48 hours to find out.
02:52:16
This is more time. To for Michelle to watch it
02:52:19
again. I'm not I'm.
02:52:21
Done. I, I am.
02:52:23
I'm going to watch it probably one more time.
02:52:25
I'm probably going to watch on scene one more time.
02:52:29
I don't know if I'm going to. I'm done.
02:52:32
I'm. Done.
02:52:33
Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to do
02:52:35
any YouTube dies or TikTok dies. I kind of want to just kind of
02:52:39
see what I can gather on my own and then.
02:52:43
You. Know and then go from there
02:52:45
because there are a lot of theories out there floating
02:52:48
around. I've tried to stay away from
02:52:50
most of them. Some of them, you know, you
02:52:54
can't watch it too, because in the videos they refer to the
02:52:58
play. So then you don't need to watch
02:53:00
anything because they will refer to the play.
02:53:03
Yeah. And I don't want, I don't want
02:53:04
to, I don't want to take that into consideration yet.
02:53:07
So. You guys have anything else?
02:53:10
You want to talk about for volume to, I know we've been
02:53:14
talking a long time, but we it, it was a lot to go through.
02:53:19
And this is one thing I do want to say for those of y'all who
02:53:23
were saying Volume 2 was boring, what show were y'all watching?
02:53:28
Don't know and. That that it wasn't like because
02:53:32
here's here's what I here's my argument and y'all can get me in
02:53:36
the comments section. When people talk.
02:53:39
About volume 1 was was better. What is the one?
02:53:43
Thing. There's only one thing people
02:53:45
talk about from volume one. What is that?
02:53:49
What is it? We'll, we'll be in the one
02:53:51
thing. Yeah, you're not even.
02:53:55
Looking at everything else, episode 1234, you're just like,
02:54:01
oh, will the sorcerer. So yes, that was great, you
02:54:05
know, but 5. 6 and. 7's not trying to compete with that
02:54:10
right, That one part. So everyone's holding up the he
02:54:14
was the sorcerer and you're forgetting about everything that
02:54:17
happened in 1234 and. Comparing. 567 to the one
02:54:21
moment, yeah. Which?
02:54:24
Was fantastic when you got we heard another characters that
02:54:27
you need to close out there, right?
02:54:29
And we're closing. We're coming to the end like
02:54:33
this wasn't about battles and plans.
02:54:37
It has always been about these characters and what they're
02:54:40
going through, right? And we're getting closure.
02:54:43
We're getting conversations that we were hoping for for seasons.
02:54:48
We're getting it. So yeah, I have a problem with
02:54:51
people saying right, you know what I'm saying?
02:54:54
Yeah. Do I wish it was longer
02:54:55
episodes? Yes.
02:54:58
Give me. Season.
02:54:59
Four me episodes, right? Only because it's the end and I
02:55:04
want more. But it's fitting now.
02:55:09
I don't know if I can watch episodes one through 7.
02:55:12
I can make it work while I'm working tomorrow.
02:55:15
I can watch episodes one through 7.
02:55:17
So Anthony, you're gonna have to watch them one more time before
02:55:21
Wednesday. Sorry for episode 1.
02:55:25
Anthony, you have any final thoughts on Volume 2?
02:55:29
No. I liked it.
02:55:30
It was good. I do like the idea of it being
02:55:34
very similar to my Mass Effect game where we have the missions
02:55:38
where everyone gets their heads clear before going into the
02:55:41
final battle. OK.
02:55:44
You know. And but again, I don't think
02:55:47
anyone's going to die other than Kali.
02:55:49
I think Kali is marked for death so.
02:55:54
You don't think that one? Is going to die.
02:55:57
Or Henry. Or.
02:55:58
One or well, I think this. Mr. What?
02:56:02
I think this up in the air, OK, Because there's a lot of things
02:56:07
they can do with this character that that would make sense, and
02:56:11
some of them don't involve death, OK.
02:56:16
Because I do like the idea. That, you know, going back to
02:56:20
the Hill Fire Club's campaign where destiny gets roll a 20 and
02:56:25
here we have a 28 one and 11. That that would be.
02:56:30
They need to defeat. The the my flare.
02:56:34
Oh, where? Where he?
02:56:35
Where he? Where he?
02:56:38
What? Oh.
02:56:39
You hadn't heard that? Yeah.
02:56:41
Yeah, because remember. Destin, not Destin.
02:56:45
Erica rolled 20. Yes.
02:56:48
So they can win, I just. What you just.
02:56:50
Said and Will did Season 1 and Will.
02:56:52
Did season one too OK, but what you just.
02:56:54
Said about there being a 8:00 or 1:00 and 11:00 I never.
02:56:58
Yeah, someone said. The 8111 needs to to end it all.
02:57:04
Wow. Unless will.
02:57:06
Is the new one. But we'll see.
02:57:11
Yeah. We'll see, but we have less than
02:57:13
41. He's the one.
02:57:16
He's the one. He's the one we have less than
02:57:19
48 hours till we. Get to the.
02:57:21
End of Stranger Things and we are all going to the movie
02:57:26
theaters to see it at 8:00 on Wednesday, or the three of us, I
02:57:30
should say. We're going to see it.
02:57:32
We will probably hang out afterwards, maybe do a little
02:57:35
bit of a live before we actually record our final thoughts.
02:57:40
But yeah, I guess for now, that's it for a show.
02:57:47
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