#strangerthings #strangerthings5 Eighteen months after Vecna split Hawkins into two, the gang tries to find Vecna while regrouping from their hits and losses. Will begins to understand his link to the Upside Down. Dustin struggles with his grief. Eleven trains with a singular focus. A new threat begins targeting the younger children in town, starting with a familiar face. The military's new leader hunts for El, with a dangerous weapon in her arsenal.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Michelle. And we are discussing finally on
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this show, Stranger Things. How long have we been trying to
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do Stranger Things? We've been trying to do Stranger
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Things since, what, Season 3? And we just have not had a
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chance. And but that's not even why I'm
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saying that. Oh I know, I know why you're
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saying it, but. OK, you know what I'm saying it
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for. It has multiple meanings for
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this. OK, We've been we've been
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talking about things outside of the podcast, right?
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And we've been wanting to do it. We just have, I mean, even this
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right here, we're about to discuss volume 1.
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We've been trying to do volume one since Thanksgiving.
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It is 2 days before Christmas and we are just like, we have
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rescheduled this so many times because of our schedules.
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But this is Michelle's thing. Y'all, y'all know how everybody
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has their their fandoms Like everybody knows with me it was
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Harry Potter and then it's Outlander Walking Dead.
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For Anthony, it's Star Wars and Lord of the Things.
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Stranger Things is Michelle's jam and she has been itching,
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itching, itching for us to discuss it.
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So we're finally here. We're going to talk about Season
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5 Volume 1, which includes the 1st 4 episodes of the final
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season. Of the show, right?
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Oh, another. About damn time.
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We've been waiting for years for the final season.
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Yeah, yes, we have that is, and that's the crazy thing.
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This show is five seasons. They've been doing this for 11
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years. That's crazy it.
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Is. Like in that time.
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Like. Millie, Bobby.
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Brown is a grown. Yeah, she's gotten married and
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has a baby now. Big grown people.
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What big grown? Watching this first episode, I'm
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like, these are adults. They are adults.
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They are I still. And I do, like Michelle said, I
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do work with high school kids and yes, some, most of them, a
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lot of them look like adults, but still.
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It's jarring. It's it's jarring especially
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when we've seen them literally grow up on screen.
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I think that's the case not just with this show, but even the
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shows where we watch them like gradually progress.
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Like watching Chandler Riggs grow up on The Walking Dead.
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You know, there wasn't a lot of long hiatuses with that show,
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but still we watched him from a little bitty kid to pretty much
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a grown man on that show. So it's just it's it's very
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weird to see. And then watching all of their
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cast interviews and stuff lately, I'm just like, wow, this
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is, it's so weird. They're grown.
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They're like really, really grown.
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But anyway, let's get into this Volume 1 because there's a lot
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to talk about. We're not going to do a lot of
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recast because if you're watching or listening to us
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right now discuss Stranger Things and you don't know what's
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going on with Stranger Things, you in the wrong place.
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This is not for you. This is.
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Not for you, if you don't mind, you know, spoilers, that's fine.
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But I think we all pretty much if we're here, we we're caught
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up, we know what's going on, so we could just talk about the
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good, the bad and the ugly with volume one.
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The first thing I'm going to mention is they start off the
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show episode one with a flashback of Will when he gets
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when he's in the upside down. He's been in the upside down at
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this point for I think 4 days when when this particular
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episode starts. So you get to see him running
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from the Demogorgon. You see his first encounter with
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Vecna. The the thing with the the the
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the the sucking or the the pudding, whatever in his.
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I've dealt with enough gross stuff in the last month.
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After watching Welcome to Dairy I was like.
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And then I'm still like it's playing in the background and
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I'm still wondering what is it, right?
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What is it? Because that's.
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The it's the the stuff, the. But he kept him alive though,
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because that's how Hopper and Joyce found him.
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And that is what and that is what's happening to the kids
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right now. So I'm like black smoke, right?
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It it gives is it giving the nutrients like it's some
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ambiotic fluid with the stuff in it like what is happening I.
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Don't know but it's I. Guess that's something that
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ain't thinking about. Like how is it keeping them with
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substance and stuff? It's disgusting.
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And then he went. So.
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So when he went into, when he went to OK, never mind, 'cause
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it came out, did it come out the back too?
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I'm just wondering. I was going to leave that one
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alone. That's just my thoughts.
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I mean, these are things that we wonder.
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I mean, you know, but I went when we were watching this scene
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or when I was watching this scene, the thing that got me,
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first of all, the the technology that they used to put Noah
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Schnapp's face on to the little kid was really interesting
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because I really thought this was another little kid that they
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just got to look like him. Then I found out I actually know
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one of the actors who double as, who worked as his body double in
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this particular episode. And he's a he's a, a a shorter
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actor, younger actor. And he was telling me that, you
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know, they kind of transpose the face on several of them to kind
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of get different angles, I think throughout the season.
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But I heard Noah talking about and I was like, oh, that's
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interesting because I really thought this look, I was like,
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did they film this before or what did they do?
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But it was interesting because the I mean, they did a pretty
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good job. It was better than Renee's man
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Twilight. I will say that the the.
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The aging technology has gotten, Yeah.
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Better it it was better than Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
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It was definitely better than Miss Captain Marvel.
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Yeah, with so it, it is it's got what and that was been years ago
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so it has gotten better, right but.
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In the transposing, it's better than what's that movie Star
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Wars? Rogue One.
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They did it with Leia. Yes.
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And it's also they did it in. They did it in the Mandalorians.
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Did Mandalorian with? Luke.
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Luke Yeah, yeah. So the the missing of those
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technologies got got so much better.
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Yeah, yeah. But so we see Will and council
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buyers. He's hiding from the Demogorgon.
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Demogorgon finds him, starts chasing him.
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Now, the thing that got me was when Will was climbing up the
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tree to get away from him, He I think he would have been fine.
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But as soon as he saw the Demogorgon, you hear him do the
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loud breathing. I was like, why don't why do
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kids do that? Why do people do that when
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you're hiding and you make this obvious noise like drawing the
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attention and then he's in the tree.
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He jumps over to another tree to get away from the Demogorgon.
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He starts falling. His strap, his book bag strap
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gets caught on one of the limbs and he just turns his head and
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watches as the strap comes undone instead of grabbing for
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the strap to hold on. I was like, I know he's only
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what, 12 at this point, but I was just like, because that's
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one thing When I was a kid playing with the book back, that
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was one of the things you always did.
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You play it with the strap. You let the strap loose, you
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pull it back. You let the strap loose, you
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pull it back. It was like, you could have
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easily done that. I mean the Demogorgon probably
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still would have gotten him, but you would have at least at least
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try. Well, again, this is first time
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being kidnapped. And you do have to say that with
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this character like this. Time being in a tree, hanging by
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your book bag. Right, you know, and the upside
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down, you know, Yeah. Now, now they you know, all the
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kids after season 1 are is ready to fight.
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But this time, this was the first.
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I was just. Like this was the first.
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You you could have did a little bit more will, but of course, if
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he did that, then we wouldn't have the story that we have now.
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So, you know, I guess it, I guess it, I don't want to say
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worked out because he's been he's been struggling for a while
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since then. But I will say this, one of the
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things I love about this first volume, he doesn't feel as on
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the outside as he has seasons 2 through 4.
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Like, you know, it was always the friend group and then he was
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kind of to the side. And I really like that.
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It feels like the guys are being better friends to him now.
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And I don't know if that's because Hawkins is cut off from
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everything else and they're all just kind of stuck together.
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But even with the scenes with Mike, you know when you see Mike
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and Elle, at least in the last few seasons, like those two
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really got on my nerves. Like I understand teenage
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hormones and first love and all that.
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And and and. Got on my nerves.
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And that's pretty much, that's pretty much it.
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It, I think with this is because there is a goal, there is a is a
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purpose, but not just out being teenagers.
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If we were out just being teenagers, then it still may be
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a little different. And I think also that Will is
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starting to become his own 'cause like, after that
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conversation in Season 4 with, you know, with his brother and
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everything. So he's starting to, you know,
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like, not just stay on the side. Yeah.
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Yeah, I. Also think they had a little bit
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of reconciliation at the end of season 4.
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I think, yeah, that too. And now and now they're there's,
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you know, there's a goal and everyone's on the team and
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everyone contributes to this goal.
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Yeah, and I, I like that we see that because the last few
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seasons it's kind of like you, I really felt like for you guys to
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be so worried about Will season 1 when he was missing and
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everything, I feel like the kids took it for granted that oh, we
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got him back and he's here and they treated him like trash.
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Like, I was really angry at these kids the last few seasons
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because it felt like, you know, this is a kid who y'all went
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through so much to try to get him back and now that y'all have
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him back, y'all are still kind of pushing him to the side and
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not paying attention to him. But and they all been they've
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been like that period. They all have not been good
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friends at certain point to even each other.
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Well, they got and. Other things.
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Like 11 and we. Don't even.
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Listen, has Susie. No, no, no, no, Mike just not
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been a good friend who has. Nothing.
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And that's it. Mike has not been a good friend.
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Yeah. But Mike is not the only one
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though. Lucas is his friend, and so is
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destiny. OK, so we won't even want to get
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there but. Mike is the yeah, but it's.
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Mike is the his friend friend and Mike being his main friend,
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like even though they are a group of friends, like they were
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the first little part. So Mike should have been like,
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hey, cuz even in season 1 it wasn't Mike who was like, let's
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go look, let's go Will. Actually it was episode where
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Lucas was like, forget all this, we need to be finding this boy.
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Where will that Let's find Will. It's now Mike is caught up with
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11. However, I mean however they and
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then they treated Lucas wrong in season 4 so.
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But you know what I will say? This too caught up with 11.
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He didn't have time for Mike. What about?
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What about Season 4? You didn't have time for Will.
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What about season 4? I will say this too and and you
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kind of see a little bit of that with Dustin in this season.
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Lucas was being a bit of an asshole in week. 4 No, No, no,
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no, no. No, no, no.
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OK, so wanted. To be with the popular guy, No,
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But he did. He tell.
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He said why. He kept telling them why.
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He kept telling him why. So that boy was balancing trying
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to be on the basketball team for them to become popular.
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He said. I'm trying to get us not to get
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picked over. At the same time, he's still in
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the Hellfire Club. One day he asked for them to
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come to the game. Important game to him.
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They did not show up. They didn't really ask for the
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the campaign to be postponed. They literally went to his
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sister, grabbed his sister, they won, walk out.
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He actually did something great. No one even knows he is sitting
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there playing Mission Impossible.
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He is following these boys around knowing something is
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wrong but trying to cover for his friends at the same time.
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I'm sorry, he was more of a friend.
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And I get that part, I do. But I think the thing that that
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bothered me about Lucas and that whole thing was that group has
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never wanted to be popular. And I get you wanting to, you
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know, keep them from getting picked on or whatever.
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But if if the rest of your friends are telling you we're
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really not interested in in, in that whole thing, you know, for
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you to still be like, OK, well, I'm trying to help us out.
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Whatever. We don't want that kind of help.
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We we don't want it now. Should they have gone to this
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game? Yes.
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Does it help them out now? Yeah, because he walk around the
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school he about to beat up people and no one messes with.
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But that had nothing to do with him being on the team.
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That had to do with him standing up to the team, which he should
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have been doing in the first place.
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Like, like, well, you know, it was hard for tom-tom Cruise,
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though. Tom Cruise was charismatic, you
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know what I'm saying? He was, until he wasn't.
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No. Even even Lucas said I'm sorry I
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came knocking because you are bat shit crazy outside friends,
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we'll be having cursing on this this episode, but.
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We ground, we alright. But Tom Cruise was charismatic.
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Though, Well, you know what? I look.
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Until he wasn't. Because he he because he was
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into that whole like he, he started out fate to me, like the
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whole pep talk and blah blah. I was like, Oh, you finna be one
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of these bullshit characters, right?
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It is. You know that that that makes
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everyone like you. And then when you look at how he
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really is, it's horrible And, and guess what?
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He ends up becoming sorry car car salesman.
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He'll end up being car salesman in his hometown, but in high
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school, that is his peak and everyone loves him.
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Yeah, he did. OK.
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Yeah, he did OK. I could straight down, right?
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And he sure did. Absolutely.
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OK, so so we can agree that everyone has just been just.
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I mean, it's that growing pains that they're going through
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puberty, they're going through that whole transition from
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middle school to high school. So there are there's gonna be
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some, some disagreements and stuff, but it, it, it's kind of
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like I, I kind of felt like Lucas was losing the focus of
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what that friend group was in the pursuit of trying to be part
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of the, the popular kids or part of the kids.
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That's not, it's kind of like March with the the Patty cakes
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on welcome to dairy. Like, you know, these kids are
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assholes, but because they're the popular assholes, you want
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to be a part of that group and you're ignoring either your gut
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feeling or you're ignoring what your friends are telling you.
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Like, hey, this is not you. And he, I don't know.
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I just feel like they're, I don't know, there was a better
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way he could have approached that which.
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I still I we can agree with this grass.
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I still disagree with that because I still think he his
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intentions were good, but he also was a good athlete.
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So it was, I think it was OK for him to explore something
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different because that's the same with Mike and Will.
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So like Will leaves and you don't even contact Will, but
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that's another, see, that's another story.
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But we'll go with go with who's in Hopkins.
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I think he was doing something different now, realizing that
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you you found another set of friends, you're trying to merge
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friends and that wasn't working. Then you realize the friends you
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were trying to merge with, not necessarily all of them, because
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the other black boy was going through some things too.
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That's why he got taken by Begna.
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But those wasn't the right people.
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But you still are a good athlete, you found out.
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Yeah, yeah. So and and so you can.
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Have you can you can be the geek and you can be the athlete.
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He has to learn how to reconcile that just because you want to be
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something in the school that's not being picked on, that your
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friends don't want to, and that friend groups can't merge.
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That that's that's the key. And that's something that you
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learn in that's. Something you want to ask for?
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Your friend groups can't merge. And that you will meet and
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become friends with different groups of people.
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You may be in different groups, but you also got to stay true to
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your. Core to your core and that and I
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think. But your core has to also
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understand that you can be interested in other things and
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they didn't reconcile that part too with them.
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I don't think that was the problem that they have with
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Lucas, but Lucas was Lucas. Oh yeah, they.
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They Lucas acted ashamed of of who they are and what they did.
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Like anytime the the basketball guys brought up like the Oh, you
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hanging with those nerves? Oh, no, Oh, I'm not a part of
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Hellfire. No, I don't know what you're
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talking about. When you get to the part where
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you have to lie about who you are to impress somebody else,
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that's when I start having a problem.
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With right, but I'm I'm just talking with the with the friend
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group. They even didn't reconcile that
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he could be doing something different.
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That's all I was. Talking about Oh no and, and
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yeah, and they were wrong for that, yeah, but.
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Yeah. So I he managed the situation as
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best he could for who he is, because I think we also forget
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that there is not many other black kids in the school.
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Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah. So it's a, it's a, it's a
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combination. Yeah.
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It's just like y'all saying how you know Steve is wrong.
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See, I can't, you know I can't. I'm going cosign on Steve and
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Lucas. No, I'm just saying I'm going
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cosign for Steve and Lucas, but who I will not cosign for Will.
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What do we say to Steve was wrong?
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Nothing. I just think the two people I
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love, Lucas and Steve, that's what you just.
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Said just like y'all saying Steve is wrong.
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Who's? I say when y'all say something
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about Steve I will cosign too on Steve.
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I was just saying, I'm just saying she's pre empting us.
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That's what she's doing. Even though Jonathan too wasn't
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even a good brother to wheel last season, he realized that he
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was he he was high most of the time when his brother needed me.
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Said it. I'm sorry but.
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You know what? I will say this for Jonathan.
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Somebody else said this on social media today and I was
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like, finally somebody said it. Like nobody really gives
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Jonathan the credit he deserves for the stuff that he has been
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through like this. This boy went when Joyce was
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working, you know, season 1. Joyce is working so much that
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Jonathan, a teenager, is put in charge of Will, which, you know,
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us Gen. X and older.
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That's kind of how our parents did.
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Like you have the oldest siblings and they watch the
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younger siblings as, as you know, helping.
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But you know, now I look at that differently.
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Like they have them children. They shouldn't be responsible
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for those children. Jonathan had to literally take
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care of Will when Will was the one who came up missing.
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Joyce was like, well, you didn't even notice that he was.
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Why would why would he be the one?
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You're you're the he. Had a job?
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He had to be the one to go and like, really identify Will's
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body. He had to be the one to plan a
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funeral all on his own. He had to go and find their
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father like Jonathan had to deal with with a lot and and he has
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not had the proper support that he needed.
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So Jonathan, I have my, I have my problems with him this
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season, but I really feel like Jonathan should really be given
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a break because everybody else supports all the other players
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or, you know, everybody else has somebody else's back.
00:22:16
Nobody really has Jonathan's back.
00:22:19
Not even. Not even.
00:22:21
That's the curse of being the oldest.
00:22:24
Yeah. You don't have that support
00:22:26
because it's just you. Yeah.
00:22:29
Right. You know and and you don't
00:22:31
expect the support from anyone. Yeah.
00:22:35
And I, I got nothing to say for Will, I mean not Will for
00:22:41
Jonathan. I just, yeah.
00:22:43
Before before we get too deep, I just want to say the coolest
00:22:47
scene to me was in this first episode was when Beston was
00:22:54
getting picked on by the basketball players and Lucas
00:22:57
come straight down the hall. I was like, oh, somebody about
00:23:00
to get their ass whipped just. The whole energy in the scene
00:23:08
changed and it's like Lucas isn't even.
00:23:11
It's not like he he bulked up or anything.
00:23:15
It was just the attitude. So when he comes in and he was
00:23:20
like, hey, don't touch him anymore.
00:23:22
Remember what happened when my sister kicked you in the nuts?
00:23:24
Well, I'm gonna kick you in the nuts and this is going to
00:23:26
happen. Then Mike and the others come
00:23:29
around and Mike was like, oh, I, you know, I think we need to
00:23:32
take care of these mouth breathers.
00:23:34
I was so. Yeah, right.
00:23:37
It's like they don't. We understand, but nobody else
00:23:41
understands what they have gone through, what they have had.
00:23:44
They've been through the fire. They have crossed Burning Sea.
00:23:48
I mean, they have done all this stuff and these little bullies.
00:23:51
This is nothing. And that's my bone to pick with
00:23:55
Dustin. Like Dustin, we got big official
00:23:58
fry. Yeah, I know you want to keep
00:24:00
Eddie's memory alive and I know you want to do all this, but
00:24:03
like, why you keep messing with these bullies?
00:24:06
They mean nothing. He is what?
00:24:08
You mean now we right I. I.
00:24:11
Understand that, but we all grief not a different way.
00:24:13
But can we not grieve by poking the bear?
00:24:18
We not grieve right by instigating the bullies.
00:24:22
Yeah. I'm not stirring them up, but.
00:24:24
Right, because he, he, he has no focus on what they're doing.
00:24:28
He doesn't. I mean, he still has the focus,
00:24:32
but I, I also feel like Dustin is also in Dustin is also kind
00:24:37
of in that he's in a similar place with where Jonathan is,
00:24:42
where it's like everybody depends on Dustin for so much,
00:24:46
especially Steve. You know, it's like, we got a
00:24:49
problem or we're going to go to Dustin.
00:24:51
We need to figure this out or we're going to go to Dustin.
00:24:53
And it's like Dustin is obviously grieving.
00:24:56
Dustin was the one who sat there and watched the watched Eddie
00:25:01
die. You know, he's the one who
00:25:04
pulled Eddie into all of this. And so not only does he have
00:25:09
grief because his friend is gone, but he also feels guilt.
00:25:12
And then on top of that, life is pretty much gone on for
00:25:16
everybody else. And the whole town is pretty
00:25:19
much just written Eddie off because again, they're believing
00:25:22
this false narrative that he's the cause of most of this stuff.
00:25:26
And I can fit. Dustin is grieving and he is
00:25:29
angry. He is and he.
00:25:32
Like, you know. And he has no fault.
00:25:33
He's not focused. We can be complete.
00:25:35
He doesn't, he's going along with the plans, but he's, he's
00:25:39
stuck into his grief. He, he can't see the forest from
00:25:42
the trees right now. Like they have a goal because
00:25:45
you we can say the same thing with other other people that's
00:25:50
in this family, especially grieving.
00:25:52
I know he's focused. Because he's trying, Lucas,
00:25:55
because he knows what the goal is.
00:25:58
He he hasn't made it past that point.
00:26:01
So somehow in volume to something's going to happen with
00:26:05
pushing forward. Like, OK, now I have to do
00:26:09
something. We really have to end this.
00:26:11
We have to revenge Eddie's death and everything like that.
00:26:14
But right now, he's kind of stuck.
00:26:17
I mean, they're all kind of stuck.
00:26:18
But going back to what Anthony just said, yeah, Lucas, I mean,
00:26:21
Lucas is different because I think Lucas, he's grieving, but
00:26:28
his person is still there. There is still a chance that Max
00:26:32
will come out of it. So I think it's different for
00:26:36
Lucas and and Dustin because Lucas, his hope is right there.
00:26:41
And don't you say, Anthony, but I'm just saying his hope is
00:26:45
right there. Max is sitting right there in a
00:26:47
hospital. But that can be worse.
00:26:49
That can be worse. It can.
00:26:51
Be, but at least there's a possibility.
00:26:54
With Eddie, there's no possibility.
00:26:56
For right there's but you know what happened to him, but he
00:27:00
went out in the right and you know.
00:27:03
Coming back, you can't bring him back.
00:27:05
You can't make him come back. And I know these are supposed to
00:27:10
be teenagers and grief is really, really the loss of a
00:27:13
loved 1 is really tough on teenagers.
00:27:16
It's. Hard.
00:27:18
On a lot of people, but it's especially hard on teens because
00:27:22
they don't really know how to process their own their emotions
00:27:26
in general, much less very intense emotion like the loss of
00:27:31
a loved 1. So I understand his, his pain,
00:27:35
but but my issue with him is they're, they have other stuff,
00:27:41
like they have something that's considerably more important that
00:27:46
even he knows. And he will probably say that,
00:27:49
but for some reason, because of his grief, because of his not
00:27:55
able to really process his anger, he can't move forward.
00:28:01
He's he's, he's really like Michelle said, he's stuck.
00:28:04
A lot of them are kind of stuck, but he is stuck more than
00:28:07
anyone. And that's why when when they
00:28:11
all come up to him, when he's being bullied, they're looking
00:28:14
at him like, what do you And they all see it too.
00:28:17
Like why are you doing all this? Like you can be fine with
00:28:21
keeping the Hellfire Club and wearing a shirt but like you are
00:28:25
literally pushing the bullies buttons.
00:28:28
But that's what happens a lot of times when people have when
00:28:31
they're dealing with their grief and anger is like.
00:28:34
Yeah, take it out on somebody. Not only that, but it's almost
00:28:37
like, again, he feels guilt. So it's almost like he's wanting
00:28:41
someone to take it out on him. He's wanting someone to punish
00:28:45
him for what he feels like is his part in Eddie's death.
00:28:49
And I really feel like that's what it is.
00:28:52
He may not recognize that that's what it is, but I, I really feel
00:28:55
like Dustin feels like he deserves to be punished.
00:28:59
You know what I'm saying? But also he's angry at these
00:29:02
other people because y'all also contributed to this.
00:29:06
So it's, it's kind of like it's one of those things where is it?
00:29:11
He's like you said, Michelle, something major is going to have
00:29:13
to happen for him to sit down and be like, OK, you know what?
00:29:16
I've got to stop. I've got to let this go, but.
00:29:22
Right. So he needs to he needs to do,
00:29:25
he needs to do like short term goal, long term goal.
00:29:29
Well, I know what's going to help him along because he's even
00:29:32
treating the other person he's closest to like trash right now,
00:29:37
which is Steve. So again, what's going to
00:29:40
happen? I already know what's going to
00:29:42
happen. Already.
00:29:43
No, we're not. We're not.
00:29:45
But you know he's. Just a dead man, which is almost
00:29:49
stated out loud. Because that that little, that
00:29:52
little clip in the trailer where there's telling each other, you
00:29:55
die, I die, you die and I do. Excuse me, gentlemen.
00:29:58
What we are not doing is dying. We will not have any Steve
00:30:01
Harrington or No No. But that will that will knock
00:30:05
some sense to him like because Steve will do anything for him.
00:30:10
So maybe that will get on board. But I if we kind of predict, I
00:30:16
hope Steve don't die. Because ultimately, if you kill
00:30:20
Steve, I really feel bad for Dustin because that's it.
00:30:23
Yeah. Like that's grief on top of
00:30:25
grief and stuff. Now I don't necessarily feel
00:30:30
like he feel guilty for bringing Andy in.
00:30:32
They really was trying to help. I feel it's more guilty that you
00:30:35
could not help him and then show people that he was a brave
00:30:39
person who helped save the world type of person.
00:30:42
But then you got another person you close to you was Eddie and
00:30:45
Steve, two different people but you love both of them and they
00:30:49
both die and everybody else get to go get married and run off in
00:30:52
the lilies in the field. I'm going to have a problem with
00:30:55
that. I do.
00:30:56
I'm OK with the old people die because we we older the parents
00:31:00
we die but he loses 2. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:08
And I think he's also lashing out at Steve because, again,
00:31:11
it's, it's just one of those things.
00:31:12
He's not processing his grief. He's like, oh, Eddie died, but
00:31:15
you're still here. And I don't think he's upset
00:31:17
that Steve is still there, but I just think he does not know
00:31:20
where to place his anger and his grief right now.
00:31:22
Right. You know?
00:31:23
But yeah, because he's a teenager.
00:31:25
So it's like it comes out in the whole, like, whole different
00:31:29
ways. Yeah.
00:31:30
Yeah. Especially given what they've
00:31:33
been through the last few years. And other people, it has come
00:31:38
like Will. Will has changed because he's
00:31:43
becoming into himself. You know, he got taller.
00:31:46
He still has the bowl cut. They were sitting there, that
00:31:49
tear with a limp. She had grown.
00:31:50
Yeah, he, he's getting older, you see.
00:31:53
He's he's, you know, understanding his feelings.
00:31:56
Mike, he's still got 11, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:00
11 around Lucas, reason why he looked like that.
00:32:03
He has matured, though, into himself because he is
00:32:08
maintaining. I think after him and old he saw
00:32:11
into the fight last season. He was like, oh, this actually
00:32:14
happened again. I'm not.
00:32:15
And then he literally had his his like girlfriend die in his
00:32:21
arms. Then he came back.
00:32:23
And then every day you go into the hospital and go visitor
00:32:25
after school at the math tutoring.
00:32:28
So that has a so you know, you walking.
00:32:31
Around math tutoring. I'm just saying, and this has
00:32:34
been 18 months, right? He is still visiting her.
00:32:38
So he has gotten, you know, he has gotten some AIDS on to him,
00:32:41
some maturity. You know, he's becoming, he's
00:32:44
becoming an adult. And he has that unfuck wit able
00:32:48
attitude like. Right, because I've seen.
00:32:51
I've seen it. You know what I'm saying?
00:32:52
I've seen it all. I've seen it all.
00:32:55
Yeah. Imagine you seeing someone twice
00:32:58
lift up in the air last time. Liam's breaking blood coming out
00:33:03
her eyes like come on now, that's a little too much.
00:33:06
Yeah, yeah. And you know, ain't none of
00:33:08
these kids getting therapy. None of none.
00:33:11
No, no, because all the therapists probably left town
00:33:14
before they before the time, right, because the one person
00:33:17
was going to therapy end up in the coma in the hospital.
00:33:20
So we ain't going to that therapist.
00:33:21
No, I'm sorry. All her patients was dead.
00:33:23
Well, it was. A It was a school counselor.
00:33:25
I don't care. I'm just joking.
00:33:27
I don't care. We're not going to the school
00:33:28
counselor for no referral. No, so OK, all right, let's move
00:33:39
on to. Somebody.
00:33:40
I really just wanted to say, yeah, Lucas, Lucas looked like
00:33:44
he really was going to hurt somebody when he walked there.
00:33:46
You know, I was waiting for it. I was like, oh, they going they
00:33:50
going to bug up at Lucas and it's going to be a fight.
00:33:53
They didn't even try. Now.
00:33:56
Lucas got in his face and then here comes like I was so
00:34:00
impressed by Lucas and Mike and just it's almost like, look, we
00:34:08
have faced down Vecna. You think we scared of you?
00:34:12
And, and just the, the, the, the confidence that came out of both
00:34:17
of them. When Mike said mouth breath, I
00:34:18
was like, oh that version of mouth breather sounds so
00:34:22
different from when it came out your mouth and season 1 like OK,
00:34:26
I can get down. And the and the thing about with
00:34:28
Mike, he wasn't even involved. He was just sitting in a piece
00:34:32
of taller, holding it 11's hand. He didn't have to go through
00:34:38
anything. Oh, last season.
00:34:41
I'm sorry he didn't, but OK, I I digress.
00:34:45
I digress. I digress.
00:34:47
He was in the buyer's house when they got shot up and he did get.
00:34:51
Shot at So when? When?
00:34:53
This season? Last season.
00:34:56
Oh, yeah, The Call of Duty episode.
00:34:59
Yeah. That's what it makes me think
00:35:00
of. Yeah.
00:35:01
You did see somebody die in the van and and also.
00:35:07
The two agents in the house. Right yeah, I'm saying and as he
00:35:11
you know died in alive but yeah, OK, there's a little trauma
00:35:15
there yeah, I give him something he.
00:35:17
Matured the movie, they all have it and then not to mention your
00:35:20
girlfriend is the the main person that these government
00:35:24
agencies everybody's trying to get and.
00:35:27
I'm giving Mike a hard time because honestly, I don't care
00:35:31
for Mike. However, one of my things was
00:35:35
hopefully he starts redeeming himself.
00:35:38
This he better. Redeem himself.
00:35:40
From He just had to grow. Up he had.
00:35:42
He was a bad friend, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but but you know
00:35:45
what? And and boy, Mike is but I'm.
00:35:48
But listen, he has. Yeah, I like how he like how he
00:35:54
is with his sister. Yeah, I like his art.
00:36:00
I think you've given him more of a hard time than you said about
00:36:04
being a bad friend. No, he he deserved it because he
00:36:08
was a bad friend. But like I said, with this
00:36:10
season, what we've seen so far in these 4 episodes, it seems
00:36:13
like they've all matured and they are all being better
00:36:17
friends, not just each other, but you get to see them interact
00:36:21
with other people like. People and their grown up
00:36:24
versions of season 1 like when you you were watching like an
00:36:29
episode of season 1 and they are mature versions.
00:36:36
Right, but Mike wasn't great in season 1, but OK.
00:36:38
No, he he actually. He was before 11 showed up, so
00:36:42
yeah, he. Was he really was.
00:36:45
Yeah, I know. I'm not as.
00:36:47
Huge. I'm just joking.
00:36:48
I'm just joking, but I'm just saying.
00:36:50
I do. I'm liking how I'm liking how
00:36:55
they're presenting Mike right now.
00:36:56
That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm liking it.
00:36:58
Like how he's taking care of his sister.
00:37:01
I'm liking him. I'm I'm liking it.
00:37:04
However, you shouldn't have lied to Hollywood and and told her
00:37:08
monsters don't exist. Boy, and especially Hawkins, you
00:37:12
know at any time something can just pop up of the ground but
00:37:16
didn't. They come and didn't make any
00:37:18
sense to me. I'm like, you would think that
00:37:20
that would be the person he he was at least.
00:37:25
I know why because you got to think about it.
00:37:28
What they went through was when they were young, right?
00:37:31
Probably. Is it the same age?
00:37:32
She is 12? Yeah, 'cause they, they aged
00:37:35
Holly up. She's supposed to be like she's
00:37:37
supposed to be 10 or 11. So you got to think about it's
00:37:42
almost like how we say you kind of shelter your kids from seeing
00:37:50
things that are adult to try to wait till they're older.
00:37:54
So they've been through a lot from a young.
00:37:55
So he's she's just trying, he's trying to protect her as long as
00:37:59
he can. Well, he says, next year we were
00:38:02
going to bring her into the D&D club.
00:38:05
Right. But even just with the monsters
00:38:08
and everything, it's a lot. It can be a lot.
00:38:11
They've been dealing with this for a long time.
00:38:14
Yeah. You know, So he's trying to keep
00:38:16
her innocence. I said all that thing he just
00:38:19
to. Give him more credit.
00:38:20
No, I think he really, he really is.
00:38:22
He's trying to like, keep her innocent.
00:38:25
I do. But this ain't the time.
00:38:28
Right, because here's the thing, If she's telling you that her
00:38:32
imaginary friend is telling her I'm trying to protect you
00:38:37
because there are monsters in this town who want to take you,
00:38:42
Mike, you are familiar with such monsters trying to take people
00:38:47
that you know, so maybe and and I guess the other thing that
00:38:52
bothers me about this is because Mike is generally a smart kid.
00:38:55
That whole group of kids is they're very smart.
00:38:59
I mean, that's one of the ways that we met them.
00:39:01
You know, they were all part of the science club.
00:39:04
They are the geeks of the. School.
00:39:08
Mike, you're involved in this. Your sister has been involved in
00:39:14
this, your older sister. What makes you think that if
00:39:18
Holly says, hey, this thing says monsters are coming out after
00:39:22
me, I feel like he should have thought a little bit harder
00:39:26
about that. And to get it's, it's kind of
00:39:30
like going back to what Nancy said about them.
00:39:32
Like we could have we could have worn mom and dad.
00:39:34
Like I know that would have been a weird conversation to have
00:39:37
with them, especially given Karen and Ted's kind of hands
00:39:43
off. Yeah, I agree they would they
00:39:47
would have paid any attention to them, but OK.
00:39:50
They they wouldn't have put. No.
00:39:54
Holly, I think, I mean, she's a little kid, yes, but kids, they
00:40:00
see a lot more than we give them credit for.
00:40:03
And you can't tell me that Holly doesn't know that weird things
00:40:07
have happened with her brother and his friends after all the
00:40:11
stuff that they've witnessed, you know, So it's like.
00:40:16
I I just feel like Mike probably should have taken his time a
00:40:20
little. Bit ask some questions.
00:40:22
This is almost like me and that Outlander and that doggone
00:40:25
treasure box. Ask questions.
00:40:28
One of the questions being well, who talking to you?
00:40:31
Is it a girl with red hair? Like who?
00:40:33
Who is it like, 'cause you could, it could be, you know
00:40:36
what I'm saying? It could be Max talking to her.
00:40:38
You don't, you know, things are happening.
00:40:41
Somebody's warning her about monsters.
00:40:43
There's some monsters. So let me find out.
00:40:47
Let me inquire. Who could this be?
00:40:49
Yeah. However, it sounds like the girl
00:40:52
had imaginary friend for a long time.
00:40:54
So then you know. Well, no, it doesn't.
00:40:57
Not that she's had one for a long time.
00:40:59
I think what Ted was saying was she wouldn't be the first kid
00:41:02
her age to have an imaginary. Right.
00:41:04
And and then she probably had, you know, she did grow up
00:41:08
overnight though, so she probably did have one a year
00:41:11
ago. And it was Miss Sally.
00:41:14
No, it probably was Mr. Watson, because.
00:41:16
I no, I'm just I'm joking as in another name because we no, no,
00:41:20
no, we have a child who had just had AI forgot what the name was
00:41:23
Mr. Watson. Lily.
00:41:26
Lily was her imaginary friend, so I'm just saying.
00:41:29
Has probably been planting that seed for a minute while he's.
00:41:33
Well, before I'm saying before him, she did, because most kids
00:41:37
do had imaginary friends, especially when you're the
00:41:40
youngest and your siblings are just gone, always gone.
00:41:44
You know what I'm saying? When he wasn't gone, when Mike
00:41:46
wasn't gone, he was with his friends in the basement.
00:41:49
And your older sister is a teenage girl.
00:41:52
She's out and about. So you had to play with
00:41:57
somebody. I'm just saying.
00:41:59
So, yeah, but I'm trying to give him.
00:42:03
He was trying to make make sure that, you know, she kept her
00:42:06
innocence. And you know, this is probably
00:42:08
another another imaginary friend, so.
00:42:15
But he should have told her the truth because when the truth
00:42:17
came for her, let me tell you first and then first when first
00:42:24
we're looking at Ted and, and, and why did why did her name
00:42:31
just Karen? We're looking at Ted and Karen
00:42:34
going through their issues, which they've never seemed like
00:42:39
a close couple or even a compatible couple.
00:42:43
I mean, we kind of get that when she gets ready to go take off
00:42:46
the go meet a teenage Billy for rendezvous.
00:42:49
You kind of figure stuff ain't going right there.
00:42:52
But she, you know, she pushed through whatever, whatever.
00:42:57
But it's like now you've been quarantined in the town for 18
00:43:01
months. So literally you are stuck there
00:43:03
with the other person. Not only that, now you have
00:43:06
additional people living in your house because Joyce and her boys
00:43:09
cannot go back to Lenore, California.
00:43:11
So they're stuck there. I I'm guessing her house in
00:43:14
Hawkins either got probably got sold, but also, why would I want
00:43:19
to go back there when I know that that's a portal for the
00:43:22
upside down? No, not going.
00:43:25
So you've got that stress and then you got your two older kids
00:43:30
who are never home. You got the youngest kid who is
00:43:33
now spacing off and talking to people in the streets that
00:43:37
don't, you know, that don't exist.
00:43:40
I was to the point where I was like, I don't even know why the
00:43:46
parents are here because like, really, what do they contribute
00:43:51
to the story aside from the fact that we can look at them and be
00:43:54
like, oh, they're shitty parents, but but.
00:43:59
They but. I don't.
00:44:04
I wouldn't call them city. I would say they're typical.
00:44:07
Yeah, that's what I would say. I don't.
00:44:09
I don't. They're not shitty because they
00:44:14
like encouraged their kids, but they, they, they, they made
00:44:19
their home inviting. Caring No I.
00:44:22
Mean they're typical of the parents.
00:44:24
Right the time, but I'm just saying and they made their house
00:44:28
inviting that everyone will come over their house in the
00:44:32
neighborhood and and. And that's all well and.
00:44:36
Good. I'm just saying that is that is
00:44:40
the, that's the parents. Over after incident of the
00:44:44
federal government coming to look for your children when your
00:44:48
children are gone and on the run for days on end like and, and
00:44:55
you again going back to the whole thing with with dairy and
00:45:00
just 80s parents in general because yes, we did have that
00:45:05
you know we had a little bit more freedom with, you know,
00:45:10
going outside or whatever, but a little.
00:45:12
Bit more. But I know, like when I was that
00:45:16
age, here's my porch, there's the end of the street.
00:45:22
That's as far as I could go. If my mother couldn't see me
00:45:25
between Van and that end of the street, I was in trouble.
00:45:29
Or if I was at somebody else's house, somebody had to call.
00:45:33
But the, the, the amount I, I don't know.
00:45:39
And it's also with everything that's going on, you've.
00:45:44
Had right but but then they check in like I just had to
00:45:47
check in. So you check in and they did
00:45:50
check in. When?
00:45:52
Because she will say they said they would like every time
00:45:55
someone comes to the house looking for them.
00:45:57
She was like they said they went to the movies.
00:45:59
You see what I'm saying? Even plenty of times they were
00:46:02
saying they were at someone else's house when they were.
00:46:05
Gone. Right.
00:46:08
And that's what you did because it's like they couldn't call you
00:46:11
no matter what. And if you said you.
00:46:12
No, no, no. Because we had parents that
00:46:15
would go to the house and be like, oh, are you here?
00:46:18
They don't do that here. They don't do that at.
00:46:20
Hawkins Well, I didn't have that a lot.
00:46:22
I'm sorry, I did. When I was working, so if I said
00:46:26
I was at the next door neighbor's house, but honestly,
00:46:28
I was at the next door neighbor too.
00:46:30
This goes back to like being in the 80s.
00:46:33
You grew up where Miami in the 80s, right?
00:46:35
You were in Milledgeville. I was here in Atlanta.
00:46:38
We had the missing and murdered children stuff going on up here.
00:46:41
So maybe it was a little bit different, but I would go back
00:46:44
into this because you got children who are being who are
00:46:49
missing. You got children who are being
00:46:51
murdered. You've got.
00:46:53
But what children have been missing and murdered?
00:46:55
It's only been one Barb. Barb, Chrissy.
00:47:01
Well, I mean last year but Chrissy was because of the DND.
00:47:06
You know what, we we going to get off this now, Eddie.
00:47:09
'S fault. That's what I'm saying.
00:47:11
So they didn't think Eddie gone so they just assumed that all
00:47:15
the the child murders are over, you see.
00:47:17
And when no child murders, it was 2 teenage girls, two teenage
00:47:22
girls. This ain't dairy everyone that's
00:47:24
rewind we had wrong show you. Forgot about.
00:47:27
Who? Real disappeared.
00:47:30
The black boy, they've been in the queue and then the the other
00:47:34
boy that was working. With a lot of people are missing
00:47:36
from the ground opening up, See, that's another thing.
00:47:38
See, that's the same with Season 2 about the mall fire.
00:47:41
There's a lot of people missing there, but they adults and
00:47:44
children, they said they were in the fire at the mall.
00:47:47
They know about the black boy. We also know about the board
00:47:52
saying. Because we are, they said it was
00:47:54
Eddie. So if I know that Eddie is gone,
00:47:59
I am not looking for my kids especially.
00:48:02
I ain't looking for them because they can't go nowhere like we.
00:48:05
Are trapped. I'm looking for them because the
00:48:07
military is there. We know them, OK.
00:48:10
But the military got them trapped because let's, let's
00:48:13
talk about this. The military comes to your door
00:48:15
and pick your kid up. I'm not letting my kid go on the
00:48:18
bus and go to no What? They didn't have a choice.
00:48:21
No, I don't give a we going to. They're going.
00:48:24
To take those kids. Town let them take kids to
00:48:30
mills. Why?
00:48:33
Again, I don't think the parents had a choice.
00:48:37
I don't think. They some of them didn't even
00:48:38
know they left. They can't even say we're taking
00:48:41
your child. Again and pay attention.
00:48:43
Some of them didn't pay attention.
00:48:48
They didn't ask. Our whole point of this was that
00:48:50
the parents don't be paying attention in Hawkins, no?
00:48:52
They didn't ask because even even even Lucas paired a paying
00:48:57
attention. First of all, Erica be gone for
00:49:03
days. Did.
00:49:07
You just glad she out the house though.
00:49:09
You just glad she out the house. Just say you glad she got but.
00:49:12
No, I was going to say, for the most part, they knew where Erica
00:49:14
was. Erica was always with Tina up
00:49:16
until. Right, recently because her but
00:49:19
one time your child was locked in a Russian underground vault
00:49:25
for 20. 4 hours, Tina's house. It was after she was at the
00:49:33
house. She was at the house, OK, but we
00:49:37
and Lucas was gone. OK I'm sorry.
00:49:40
Sorry, everybody. OK, so these parents, these
00:49:43
parents did not watch that commercial.
00:49:45
Where are your kids at 10:00 PM? Because they really.
00:49:48
Don't know what their kids are. I will say this about Ted and
00:49:51
Karen for for whatever faults they have as parents so that I
00:49:54
feel like they have as parents when she hit the fan.
00:49:58
They both stepped up. Yeah, they did.
00:50:01
They definitely did. Because when when Holly goes,
00:50:05
when she went to Karen, first of all, my whole thing was how the
00:50:09
hell do y'all not hear all this racket and all this screaming
00:50:14
and everything that's going on? Like it took it took the lights
00:50:17
blinking for Ted to be like, what is going on?
00:50:20
You didn't hear the walls tearing and the furniture being
00:50:24
thrown and your daughter screaming at the top of her
00:50:29
lungs. Karen, I can kind of understand
00:50:32
because she she's already kind of, you know, 2 sheets to the
00:50:35
wind and she's listening to her Fernando and she's listening to
00:50:39
her music so loud. So I can kind of sort of see.
00:50:45
But Ted was outside. He had none of that, none of
00:50:48
that noise interference. He should have been able to hear
00:50:51
something, but it's OK. He saw the lights when it's went
00:50:56
upstairs. Holly went to a mother was
00:50:59
trying to tell him her mom was like it was just a nightmare was
00:51:03
you have to feel the blood on her head in order to realize
00:51:07
that your child is an active trauma.
00:51:09
She is like terrified. What?
00:51:12
OK, whatever it takes. She got the memo.
00:51:16
Now I was looking at this scene when the when the demo Gordon
00:51:20
came into the bathroom and they were hiding in the tub.
00:51:23
I was like do those large tubs come standard in homes back then
00:51:30
and why don't we have them now? Because there is no way I could
00:51:34
have fit in that tub with a child and been and been hidden
00:51:41
good. There's no way I can't I can't
00:51:45
even sit on my side in my in my regular tub.
00:51:48
It's just no, but OK, we in there with the we in there with
00:51:56
the Avon skin so soft baby bubble bath.
00:52:01
It worked, almost didn't, but Ted came in right at the right
00:52:07
time. And I love the fact that when he
00:52:09
sees Demi Gorgon, he doesn't do the whole what is this?
00:52:14
He doesn't do the whole disbelief.
00:52:16
He was like, I get back, like, hey, so Ted gained some respect
00:52:24
for me probably for the first time in five seasons during the
00:52:28
scene because he saw that thing. He didn't ask no questions.
00:52:32
He didn't stand there dumb struck.
00:52:34
He didn't stand in disbelief. He was like, what we're not
00:52:37
going to do When the thing came after he hit it with his, OK,
00:52:41
you know what, Ted? You got a little bit of my
00:52:43
respect now. The way that he knocked them
00:52:45
into the wall, I thought Ted was dead.
00:52:47
I'm very surprised that both he and Karen are still.
00:52:50
I was too, because I was. I was like.
00:52:52
No, don't kill Karen. But Karen went out like a boss
00:52:57
though. Listen.
00:52:58
She pulled a Molly Weasley and not my daughter you bitch cuz.
00:53:02
Right. She took that wine bottle and
00:53:05
she was stabbing that thing. I was like, OK, maybe they can
00:53:08
actually get away. I don't know why I thought that.
00:53:11
I should have known better, but she was giving it a, she was
00:53:14
giving it a good shot. And I was like, OK, Ted and
00:53:18
Karen have kind of, they've gained some respect in my eyes
00:53:22
because they they really did try to save their daughter.
00:53:26
They did now what? I can't even think of her name
00:53:32
right now about warning her parents.
00:53:34
I don't know why I'm not bringing Nancy, so I think it
00:53:39
would even matter if you warned your parents or not.
00:53:42
You can warn them that something is coming, but nothing can
00:53:46
compare can prepare you for that especially.
00:53:52
If you haven't. Seen it right and even them
00:53:55
talking about what you going to walk around with shotguns like
00:53:57
Nancy? No, so literally her mom could
00:54:00
had did the best that she could. That's better than some other
00:54:05
parents could have. Or people.
00:54:08
Because he's the. Even the military couldn't even
00:54:10
make it no. So you preparing your mom
00:54:15
wouldn't have changed anything. If he wanted to come after them,
00:54:17
he was going to come after them. Yeah, I I think what would have
00:54:21
happened if they had told the parents, like Ted and Karen
00:54:28
might have been a little more strict.
00:54:31
They might have, but that might have extended to Mike and Nancy.
00:54:33
And then Mike and Nancy wouldn't have been able to do what they
00:54:36
do. Because let me tell you this
00:54:38
whole thing that they have going with the crawl and the the
00:54:41
precision, which with that, with which they have this plan down
00:54:46
to AT and how everybody has their roles.
00:54:49
And I was like, I'm impressed because again, I think this goes
00:54:55
back again to the whole maturity thing with with the guys.
00:54:58
It's like now that the whole town of Hawkins is affected, you
00:55:05
don't have time for the Kitty shit anymore.
00:55:08
You don't have time for the stupid little arguments.
00:55:11
Like you got the little fun stuff.
00:55:13
Even though, yes, there, there's some tension with some of them,
00:55:16
but it's not anything that is really detrimental to the group.
00:55:22
The whole Dustin thing, yes, he's dealing with his grief,
00:55:25
with his grief, but when they call him like, hey, we need you
00:55:30
to do this, that and the other, he's prepared.
00:55:33
He may not be quite as focused as we're used to seeing him, but
00:55:38
he's prepared. He was prepared to be at the
00:55:40
squawk that night. He just happened to go to the
00:55:42
cemetery and he he basically walked into an ambush.
00:55:47
But you know, that's what happens when you antagonize
00:55:50
people, especially if they if they paying attention to you and
00:55:54
they know your pattern, they know you going to go clean
00:55:56
Eddie's grave up. So, you know, but aside from
00:56:00
that, just the way that they all operate, the way that they're
00:56:04
all like they're relying on each other.
00:56:07
They they're they're short, you know, they're shorthand when
00:56:10
they speak to each other. The fact that Nancy is basically
00:56:13
in charge of the whole stuff because Nancy was like OK the
00:56:16
trucks are going to be here at such and such the which means I
00:56:19
want hopper block like OK Nancy being in charge of everything
00:56:24
which. You see, you see where Mike gets
00:56:26
it from. Like Mike has that that same, he
00:56:30
has that same ability, too, to take charge and and plan.
00:56:35
He's a planner. He's a planner.
00:56:38
Yeah. I mean, yeah, two years.
00:56:40
Ago even with D&D, we we saw that, yeah.
00:56:43
So he he's, he's good with strategy.
00:56:47
Yeah, he great. And then Nancy has that same
00:56:51
thing. Yeah, yeah.
00:56:53
Which which makes me, well, I don't, I won't even say makes
00:56:59
me. Which shows us why Holly is kind
00:57:04
of as level headed as she is, because even.
00:57:07
Level headed weird. No, no, no.
00:57:10
The reason why I'm saying that is because once she's in Mr.
00:57:14
what's his house, what's taken her?
00:57:16
They've had the conversation when she, you know, he gives her
00:57:21
a specific instruction when he leaves the house, he says, don't
00:57:23
go into the woods because a monster lives there.
00:57:26
And she gets a note in the mailbox telling her, hey, I'm in
00:57:30
trouble, I need you to come get me.
00:57:32
And the path that is taking her takes her straight to the woods.
00:57:37
So what does she do? She sits there, she thinks about
00:57:40
it. She analyzes the situation.
00:57:42
She's already gone through Mr. What's his house?
00:57:44
So she knows that he used to be a what is it a Boy Scout or a
00:57:47
Cub Scout? She knows he has certain things
00:57:49
here. And she literally starts
00:57:51
playing. I was like, oh, that's
00:57:52
definitely Nancy and Mike's sister.
00:57:55
Because when she's in a situation now where she has to
00:57:59
kind of calculate the danger, calculate what she's doing, she
00:58:03
doesn't act like a little kid. She really is like, OK, well, I
00:58:07
need to do this. I need to do this.
00:58:09
I need to have this kind of clothing on.
00:58:10
I need to carry this. Here's a weapon.
00:58:13
Like she really has that same mindset like her siblings does
00:58:18
do. It's just so, you know, just so
00:58:20
happens that she's not. So of course, if there's
00:58:24
somebody who, you know, she sees who is projecting himself to be
00:58:28
friendly, somebody who's going to help her.
00:58:31
And again, she's seen what's going on with her brother and
00:58:35
her sister. She may not fully comprehend it,
00:58:39
but she knows what the shit goes on in Hawkins and that her
00:58:42
siblings are a part of that. Right.
00:58:45
You gave her a lot of credit. Yeah.
00:58:47
So when that guy's like, OK, hey, there's monsters here, I'm
00:58:51
going to come take care of you. And then when a monster actually
00:58:54
comes and tries to get her, yeah, I would go with him too,
00:58:58
because he's the one who's been saying all this time, I'm a
00:59:02
protect you, I'm going to help you.
00:59:05
Right, that just goes along about how all these kids got
00:59:07
kidnapped in the 80s. Yeah.
00:59:13
And all you have to say is see your parents had to go to
00:59:16
another place and they want you to feel safe.
00:59:18
So I have you. And then they're going to come
00:59:20
join us in a few days. Come with me.
00:59:24
And unfortunately, that's what happened to a lot of kids back
00:59:27
here. Right, I'm just saying that does
00:59:30
and and I'm saying that is saying you giving her a lot of
00:59:33
credit. She's to me, she's act like a
00:59:36
kid, She's acting like kids. She was hesitant about going
00:59:40
into the woods. She still didn't follow damn
00:59:42
directions. Would you tell kids not getting
00:59:43
the car with a stranger but they still didn't hurt a stranger
00:59:45
because they say something like I know your parents.
00:59:51
But I mean. But it's starting to click once
00:59:55
she actually has conversation with Max.
00:59:57
Because that you know is true. Yeah.
01:00:01
You know what happened to Max, so it's kind of odd that she is
01:00:05
in the same place as you. And I'm so glad to see Max
01:00:08
because I was like OK y'all I understand Max is in a coma but
01:00:13
I need Sadie sync on my screen so I'm glad we got her back
01:00:17
finally. She looks mature and beautiful.
01:00:21
She does, but she also looks stressed.
01:00:23
She like I'm tired of being in this man's mind, right She's.
01:00:28
Tired of being tired? Yes.
01:00:31
Listen and the things. She's saying.
01:00:35
What? What did she say?
01:00:36
That the only choices she had was one option, one option, one
01:00:42
was to kill herself, I'm sorry, and allow herself.
01:00:47
And two was escape or three was accept.
01:00:53
Yeah. Then that say it and then it
01:00:57
said that you see some things and then you do actually see
01:01:04
that Lucas is still coming to your bedside playing running up
01:01:09
that hill. He should be really tired of
01:01:10
that song by that time. But however, however, I'm trying
01:01:15
to save her life. But that's and that she can feel
01:01:19
his hand and everything. That was so sad.
01:01:21
And the fact that she almost, she was almost almost there
01:01:26
there for the damn cassette tape.
01:01:28
Don't y'all have CDs at this point?
01:01:30
It's not right? Then.
01:01:32
Then no, no, not. Yet.
01:01:35
Shut the head like it twice like 2 so you just pop it in.
01:01:40
He need to have one of those Maxell 90 minute cassettes and
01:01:44
just just just put the song on a loop.
01:01:47
I mean, I know you look, it's the 80s.
01:01:51
I know he could sit right there on the on the cassette tape, he
01:01:55
can sit there with his hand on the record button for when it
01:01:58
plays on the radio just like we used to do and just do that.
01:02:03
But but again, Lucas is not aware of what's going on with
01:02:07
Max's mind. So he doesn't know.
01:02:09
He's just like, OK, I'm just going to play the song and play
01:02:11
the song. Hopefully it'll it'll draw her
01:02:14
back. But but all I have to say is
01:02:17
from seeing that you must know when you get out of it.
01:02:22
And you come out this coma, you gonna have to marry the man.
01:02:26
Well, damn, you gonna have to. He he literally probably is the
01:02:33
only one besides your Mama coming to visit.
01:02:39
And if she don't? And talk to and read books too.
01:02:43
And sing songs too. And if she don't make it, I feel
01:02:47
bad for his wife, his future wife, his.
01:02:52
She ain't never going to measure.
01:02:54
Up No. No, but you know this man been
01:03:00
at your bedside. Every day, every day.
01:03:06
And I'm sure the other, I'm sure the others go to visit her too,
01:03:09
just like we saw. No, we saw Will visiting her and
01:03:13
to talk, talk about their plan, about what they're going to try
01:03:16
to do. You know, he's trying to,
01:03:18
they're still trying to keep her in the loop, you know, even
01:03:20
though they don't know if she can hear, they don't know if
01:03:22
she's aware of what's going on. But, you know, it's nice to see
01:03:26
them be like, OK, you know what? She is still part of the group.
01:03:30
Even if she can't participate, even if she can't hear, at least
01:03:34
she'll, you know, at some point, maybe she'll know that she's
01:03:38
still part of us. I was going to say something
01:03:42
really horrible. I was like one person who's not
01:03:44
visiting her but whatever will visit because he just tell all
01:03:49
his secrets to and talk to and no one talks back.
01:03:53
So he expressed his emotions. Mike has no time.
01:03:57
But that's me and Mike, you know, I just don't get.
01:04:03
No will. OK, that was.
01:04:05
It I had to get that one here. He ain't going to visit her, OK?
01:04:08
Will. I don't think Will is going to
01:04:10
let. And 11 can't get into the
01:04:12
hospital so. Well, yeah, that she.
01:04:16
Cannot, but I bet she still tries to like search for stuff
01:04:21
once in a while and see if. I don't know 'cause she seems
01:04:25
very singularly focused right now.
01:04:27
He is, but I think she still tries, you know, after that Eggo
01:04:30
waffle in Miami Vice reruns that she may settle down and try.
01:04:37
I don't know 'cause she trying to go on these crawls with
01:04:39
Hopper. Right.
01:04:41
And be her time. He is not.
01:04:45
You see, she's another one stuck too, because he he's he has
01:04:50
valid points of why. Like we're going to need you
01:04:53
when we actually find him, not when we looking.
01:04:57
Because at this point you come in while we looking, we have
01:05:00
someone, the military is looking for you.
01:05:03
But if but when it's time, you need to be ready.
01:05:07
Just be ready when it's time. And if they capture her?
01:05:11
You don't even. Because the military, they got a
01:05:13
base in the upside down now. Right.
01:05:16
Which is amazing to me. Which is amazing to me.
01:05:20
And why I'm not surprised, I wouldn't be surprised in in this
01:05:24
universe if they don't have bases all over the place because
01:05:28
this obviously this is not something that they're new to
01:05:32
doing. This seems like something that
01:05:34
they've already done before, the way they have with the burn and
01:05:39
the portal. And how do they have the base
01:05:42
set up? It's almost like this is not the
01:05:46
first time they've done this. I I agree.
01:05:49
I think the thing that kind of surprises me is because even the
01:05:53
world, OK, up until the the the last episode, we didn't know
01:05:59
where Vetna was, you know, and, and the fact that I guess it was
01:06:04
just that you don't know for sure that Vetna is dead.
01:06:09
So he could be anywhere still in the Upside down.
01:06:12
Not only that, the Demi Gorgons could be in the upside down and
01:06:15
you guys aren't exactly being quiet about the fact that you're
01:06:21
there. You know, they actually have a
01:06:25
monster. I don't think it was a Demi
01:06:26
Gorgon, but they have some kind of monster in their lab that
01:06:31
they're using to do whatever they're they're testing and all
01:06:37
this other stuff and. I don't think they know the
01:06:40
existence of vector. They don't.
01:06:43
They don't. I don't think they had they,
01:06:45
they don't know. No, they don't.
01:06:47
Who would they know that from? They keep thinking, which they
01:06:50
always thinking it's 1111 is doing this.
01:06:55
Yeah, they think 11 it created this and 11 is doing these
01:07:00
things. Remember, they don't know
01:07:02
nothing about him. And so the last season.
01:07:05
And so when and so when they were like, when they were like,
01:07:09
oh, they have something there in the base, I was like, it's it's
01:07:11
not Victor because he can be doing all this other stuff.
01:07:15
It had to be something else or someone else.
01:07:19
And you know what? I so I.
01:07:22
Because the person who knows it is dead, yes.
01:07:26
And that that I think that's the thing.
01:07:28
I wasn't thinking about the fact that because I was like, why
01:07:31
wouldn't they know? But I don't know.
01:07:34
Also, I kind of feel like, I don't know, there's something
01:07:38
about Doctor Ki feel like she knows more than she's letting
01:07:43
on. She think he does, but she.
01:07:45
Doesn't know about Victor. And see, this is what I was
01:07:48
saying on we talked about the friends on the panel.
01:07:52
Same thing on on the ABC 11. Right.
01:07:54
So we this is the same thing or she's like 11 or not 11.
01:07:59
We really don't know, but we need 11.
01:08:03
Well, we were talking about with the panel about Doctor Papa,
01:08:06
Doctor Brenner, about him working with someone else.
01:08:11
So we do know that that that happens because we know that the
01:08:15
play for Shadow is Canon. So this has occurred before.
01:08:22
So I'm feeling like she's from that section when it first
01:08:25
started happening because she you'll be that age.
01:08:29
However they are used, they know a part about the Upside Down,
01:08:33
but they don't know about VEGNA. Only Doctor Brennan knows about
01:08:37
VEGNA because he kept that to himself.
01:08:40
He just knew about. It you.
01:08:42
See what I'm saying? Because that was in his lab, not
01:08:45
when they were together. And he was also kind of
01:08:48
responsible. For that whole thing.
01:08:49
So yeah, yeah. OK, you know, yeah.
01:08:52
And I think the thing that I was maybe misremembering, not the
01:09:00
fact that they have, that they knew Vecna's existence.
01:09:03
I'm still thinking about Elevens, just kind of her how
01:09:08
she was so sure it was Vecna that they had because because of
01:09:11
the weapon that they created that basically kind of like her
01:09:14
kryptonite. She was thinking, she was like,
01:09:18
it has to be Vecna. It has to be Vecna.
01:09:20
And I don't know where in the process where I was watching it
01:09:26
and I was like, I don't think it's Vecna.
01:09:28
And then I really started thinking about Cali because I
01:09:31
think the actress who plays Cali, she came to the premiere.
01:09:37
Yep, she was at the premiere and I was like, they should be like,
01:09:39
oh, definitely. I said they're going to bring
01:09:41
her back in some capacity for the final season.
01:09:45
I didn't think it was going to be the way that they did this,
01:09:48
how they have her captured and they're using her powers, you
01:09:52
know, to disable Elle. But I'm like, now I want to
01:09:57
know, how did you guys even get to her?
01:09:59
Like she was doing such a good job of hiding herself.
01:10:03
So it's kind of like. Remember she had, she's like,
01:10:06
yeah, she has her limits, though.
01:10:08
But do you? But do you think because
01:10:10
sometimes people will have the illusion that they are OK?
01:10:15
So they may have known where she was and then just tracking her
01:10:23
at some points. But for her, but for hers and
01:10:28
then for her, she's thinking, I I've got away with this.
01:10:30
But when they need you, they need you, and they know when to
01:10:33
grab you. I would I would think it
01:10:35
probably was when she and Elle met back up.
01:10:39
Right. And then also eat.
01:10:40
And also they, they could have been studying and watching from
01:10:43
afar and seeing what she's doing.
01:10:44
They don't care what happens locally.
01:10:47
Yeah, I don't care if you steal from a pawn shop.
01:10:50
Well, this is we got bigger fish to fry here.
01:10:53
So they could have been watching her and what she could do, what
01:10:57
she can't do to see how to create things to, you know what
01:11:01
I'm saying? So where?
01:11:02
They thought they could use her against L.
01:11:05
They might to find out something.
01:11:07
Or or whatever they about to do 'cause it.
01:11:10
It's just it baffles me why everything is her fault but I'm
01:11:14
OK Who Callie's fault, no L's fault.
01:11:19
Well, it kind of. Well, it's not really.
01:11:22
It isn't. It let, let, let.
01:11:24
Let's start from the beginning. It could be she is not her
01:11:27
fault. No.
01:11:29
What? What did she do?
01:11:31
She didn't do nothing. She didn't do nothing.
01:11:34
The Upside Down was already there.
01:11:36
Everything that she did, she. Opened the gate because.
01:11:41
She didn't. She pushed.
01:11:43
She pushed Henry into the gate. But who fault was that?
01:11:47
Phil Henry. 'S fault was Henry being that
01:11:50
way. That oh, that's Brenner.
01:11:52
Absolutely. Brenner.
01:11:53
OK. The one that started out of
01:11:55
this, Yeah. Right.
01:11:57
Yeah, because. That.
01:11:58
You're gonna go already at the power.
01:12:00
So he took advantage of a kid slash teenager.
01:12:05
I'm trying to close the pothole there, teenager, kid slash
01:12:09
teenager. He took advantage of him and
01:12:11
then use him to do what? To make all these other kids and
01:12:15
adults. Yeah, yeah.
01:12:17
So. This is not our fault.
01:12:19
She was a weapon that was used. For those listening who didn't
01:12:25
watch the play, yeah, Brenner actually found Brennan, found
01:12:30
Henry and used Henry's blood and put in pregnant women, which is
01:12:36
where it created that whole generation I'll generation.
01:12:39
That's the thing, I don't know anything about the play except
01:12:41
for the fact that is Henry's kind of like his back story and
01:12:45
I know that they're going to be using some of that in this
01:12:48
season. But I and they said that it was
01:12:51
and then they said it was Canon. So all of that was Canon.
01:12:55
Yeah. Even if some about about the the
01:12:58
parents. Being the school.
01:13:01
Together. Yeah.
01:13:02
Nance, not Nancy Joyce. Yeah.
01:13:05
Yeah. Which they have hinted at in
01:13:08
this first volume. So I'm I'm sure we'll see more
01:13:11
of that. And probably in volume to
01:13:14
because there's there's like this, I guess a play going on.
01:13:19
And you see in in Henry's memories, Max and and Holly are
01:13:24
in his memories and you kind of see this.
01:13:26
And I was like, yeah, this is probably going to explain how
01:13:31
all of them are connected because you see Joyce, you see
01:13:35
Hopper's name there, and I think there were a couple of other.
01:13:39
Names Bob. Newbie.
01:13:41
Yep. Oh, so I wonder.
01:13:42
I thought it was Sister's name on there.
01:13:46
What's his name? See his name was on there I.
01:13:47
Thought it was her name. I thought she was in the play.
01:13:51
Cool, I don't do freeze frames so OK she was in the play too
01:13:55
but it seems opposite too. OK, OK.
01:13:58
And then so not to give that away so y'all can figure out.
01:14:01
And then and also the reason dealing with The Cave why he
01:14:06
can't go in The Cave is in the play.
01:14:08
OK. And I'm leaving that there, but
01:14:10
that is the reason. I was kind of curious about that
01:14:14
because. And they just Duff Brothers did
01:14:15
say the because this cannon that is the reason why he won't go
01:14:20
into the caves. OK, OK.
01:14:22
Because I was wondering about that because Max was like, this
01:14:25
is the only safe place I have because he was scared to come in
01:14:28
here. Yeah.
01:14:29
It's like when you look at it from Max's point of view, it's
01:14:33
just open country, very beautiful, very peaceful, very
01:14:38
serene. So it's kind of like what's in
01:14:42
there that scares him. Which again, I guess we'll we'll
01:14:45
find out of volume. 2. But yeah, all of that was very
01:14:49
interesting about him because because when you when we watched
01:14:54
Season 4 and Nancy and Robin went to go talk to Victor Krill,
01:15:02
Victor made it seem like all of this stuff happened when Henry
01:15:07
was a child, which, OK, if it happened when he was a child,
01:15:12
but he still, you know, maybe under Doctor Brenner's
01:15:16
guardianship or whatever, he still ends up going to high
01:15:19
school. He still ends up doing some of
01:15:22
the normal stuff. It was like, OK, but it's just
01:15:26
kind of interesting that I, I don't know.
01:15:30
And I guess I'll I'll have to wait until we see those just
01:15:34
kind of that that background of his field in.
01:15:38
I mean then this is not no spoiler.
01:15:39
Even though he talked, it did happen when he was a kid and it
01:15:42
was before the doctor and then the doctor came to him.
01:15:46
See, in my mind, not to say you know what Henry is a sorry,
01:15:49
Victor is an unreliable narrator.
01:15:51
So in his mind, Henry is a little kid, but in reality he
01:15:56
was probably much older. A little older.
01:16:00
Yeah, because that's what people are trying to reconcile.
01:16:02
They're trying to reconcile Season 4, how he looked younger,
01:16:05
however, he was in high school. So but also it's how we present
01:16:11
ourselves when we tell a story. Yeah, that's you see what I'm
01:16:14
saying? I I think Victor was Victor is
01:16:17
not a reliable narrator because he's still looking at him as his
01:16:21
child. Right.
01:16:23
Because those flashbacks were from his perspective.
01:16:26
Yeah, I didn't think about that. And that's when you do, because
01:16:28
sometimes when you think of your key, you sometimes don't picture
01:16:33
what's right in front of you. You picture like a good average
01:16:37
age. And that's. 00 And then also
01:16:40
he's not aware that that Henry was the one that was doing all
01:16:45
of that. We find that out when Henry is
01:16:47
talking to Elle, right? Yeah.
01:16:51
OK, Right. Yeah, that's correct.
01:16:54
But just how everyone had an issue with the age.
01:16:56
Yeah. But I like what Anthony said.
01:16:58
Like that's how his dad still sees his family.
01:17:02
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:05
You know, just him a little younger, probably the age where
01:17:09
everything was simple and innocent before it became crazy.
01:17:13
But yeah. Before it came, it was, yeah,
01:17:17
OK. I was gonna say another bad
01:17:19
joke. Like, you know, Erica's parents
01:17:21
probably think of her when she was little.
01:17:23
But it was cute. You know what now?
01:17:25
She's a teenager and it ain't funny.
01:17:27
So since you bring her up, we need to talk about Miss Erica
01:17:31
Sinclair. Because babe.
01:17:35
Yeah, so I love Erica, but we need to seek some counseling
01:17:43
because she is so willing to poison a family.
01:17:48
It wasn't poison. First of all.
01:17:52
You drug to family now you drug that's still you don't drug
01:17:56
nobody I. Want to say this one thing?
01:17:58
I just want to say this one thing.
01:18:00
She was she. She was so into it that she
01:18:03
brought the syringe as a backup plan because she knew that girl
01:18:07
was not going to eat her her pie.
01:18:09
Because she knew Tina. Because she knew Tina and she
01:18:11
was prepared for that outcome. OK, right, it was ready, but she
01:18:18
that's the problem and she did seem upset about I'm just saying
01:18:22
and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it.
01:18:26
I'm just saying I wouldn't be a husband and make her mad.
01:18:29
I'm just saying no, definitely not, but it's or she had kids.
01:18:34
Don't mess with her kids, you. Can't.
01:18:38
Given the situation and what they were dealing with, you
01:18:42
can't be mad at her for being prepared.
01:18:44
No, I don't know, I'm mad. It's just the, the, the slight
01:18:48
enjoyment, OK, but and then the thing.
01:18:53
OK, so everyone come on now. I need y'all to understand
01:18:56
'cause I see a lot of complaints about her friend Tina that Tina
01:19:01
was white. It's OK that Tina was white and
01:19:03
the Republican. They are from her Hawkins.
01:19:08
Indiana in the 80s. Andy, thank you.
01:19:11
It wasn't that many Democrats in the area, and it wasn't that
01:19:14
many blacks. Yes, she had a few black friends
01:19:17
at the mall. I don't know what happened to
01:19:18
them. OK.
01:19:19
They probably died in the mall fire like half the town did.
01:19:23
They probably were. On summer vacation when Hawkins
01:19:26
split open, and they're probably not in the time that's.
01:19:30
True or no, they felt. But even growing past before
01:19:33
that happened, her friend has been Tina.
01:19:37
Tina has been talked about since season 2.
01:19:41
Yeah, because it was probably one of those things like like
01:19:44
with Lucas and Will, Lucas and will have actually.
01:19:46
Right, that's what I'm saying. So.
01:19:49
On Now and Then Tina and you see Tina.
01:19:55
Tina got the back and forth too. Like like Lucas said, Tina is a
01:19:59
villain. That's Erica's type right there.
01:20:03
Would not mess with those two. I would not mess with those two
01:20:07
you. Say, is Tina evil?
01:20:08
No. She's a villain.
01:20:12
Wow. Which, again, is why Erica went
01:20:16
there prepared. And she knew she's like, I know
01:20:21
she's not going to eat this pie. I know she's not.
01:20:24
Think about, think about the scope of what they were about to
01:20:28
do. They're about to use this family
01:20:30
to try to trap the Demogorgon because they knew it was coming
01:20:35
after Derry. Yeah, they have to go through
01:20:37
some extreme masks because again, it's kind of like the
01:20:39
whole thing when Nancy, oh, we could have warned our parents.
01:20:42
How are you going to walk up to this boy's parents and be like,
01:20:45
hey, so there's some monsters associated with this whole split
01:20:50
in the town and he's going to come after your dipshit of a son
01:20:54
and we want to actually help you guys so that that doesn't
01:20:57
happen. Do you know how fast they're
01:20:59
going to call Hawkins police? Like, come get these crazy kids?
01:21:03
And if you got the same two people who are leading Hawkins
01:21:06
police, because obviously nobody knows Hopper is back right now.
01:21:10
Hopper is still living in the living in the.
01:21:14
World now who paying the mortgage and taxes on that it's
01:21:18
paying. For.
01:21:19
It's paying for taxes. Taxes.
01:21:21
You still pay taxes, but OK, it's neither here nor there.
01:21:24
I'm sorry. Yeah, but they, yeah, there
01:21:30
really wasn't anything else for her to do.
01:21:32
She's like, OK, this is the plan, this is what we have to
01:21:35
do. So we're going to have to knock
01:21:37
them out. And we got to make sure that
01:21:40
this happens because I mean, the stuff that they did to these
01:21:43
folks, how if I was Tina's parents when I came back to my
01:21:49
house? And that.
01:21:50
Wine, a hole in the floor, and all of my wine.
01:21:59
That we have collected all of the wine.
01:22:02
I will have a problem. Yeah, yeah.
01:22:06
Hey, I will not accept any more Derek slander on this podcast
01:22:12
because Derek is not I didn't an asshole he was.
01:22:17
No, Derek is just misunderstood. No, Derek, it was a bully.
01:22:21
He's highly. Intelligent.
01:22:23
He is and he he was a bully. And I think he was just bored.
01:22:29
But he didn't have to bully he I don't.
01:22:31
Think he was bullying? Anybody you stop, he wasn't that
01:22:36
playground. He was, he was.
01:22:39
Well, he then he was being in that playground and she told him
01:22:42
to stop and the kid said he. Was a bullet.
01:22:45
He got scared straight when he saw the demagogue Grant, and he
01:22:49
was like, oh shit, this shit is real, right?
01:22:52
Oh that, that was one of the great lines when he was talking
01:22:55
to the military people and he was like, I seen the thing and
01:22:59
y'all are not prepared. Y'all can't do shit.
01:23:02
But you know who else he's scared of?
01:23:05
He was scared of Erica. Erica was like, come on, come
01:23:07
on. He's like, oh, forget that.
01:23:09
I go. I just climb up.
01:23:11
I'm good, 'cause you knocked out a woman.
01:23:15
You a man Wheel. You had wheel rolling on the
01:23:18
ground with you. But then you saw Erica.
01:23:20
You took off running. Yeah, but no, I fell in love
01:23:24
with Derek. But let's be honest.
01:23:27
Derek was a mean kid. He was.
01:23:30
But I understand what you're saying.
01:23:31
No one played with him. So he just took it out and and
01:23:37
you see how his sister is. So that's just how he knows how
01:23:41
to interact with people. There's a difference between
01:23:45
being a bully because he don't seem like the kid.
01:23:47
That would be like give me your lunch money.
01:23:50
That is not the only type of bully.
01:23:52
When your sister says mom and dad says come to dinner and his
01:23:56
response is they can bite me. That's not being a bully, that's
01:24:02
just. But no, we're not.
01:24:03
We're not talk about, but that's what we're saying.
01:24:05
Their interactions. Look at his sister.
01:24:07
So they do that at they house. You know what I'm saying?
01:24:10
So he doesn't know how to interact with people.
01:24:13
That's what I'm saying. Other kids.
01:24:14
So he wants to play with you, He doesn't know how to, so he just
01:24:19
spins the miracle round faster. You know, thinking that's fun.
01:24:24
Thinking that's funny? That's not funny, but.
01:24:26
It's not. Funny because he was alone in
01:24:28
the classroom. Nobody want to deal with him.
01:24:30
No one want to deal with Derry. He got that smart ass mouth.
01:24:34
If I'm just walking, I. Agree but I'm just saying I I
01:24:38
agree but I see where he he's getting it from.
01:24:41
He got a billing sister. His parents is drinking a butt
01:24:44
load of wine, so I don't think they even realize they got two
01:24:46
kids in the house. And I say that because they got
01:24:51
a gorgeous wine collection. Karen would like to be invited
01:24:56
over, but yeah, but, but look at how the kids responded to him
01:25:03
when he had to get the group together.
01:25:06
It was quite interesting that they were listening to him.
01:25:10
He was doing the meditation and then hitting the mess out of
01:25:14
their head to get their attention.
01:25:16
But they but he, he was, he led them like he he had a purpose.
01:25:25
That's all. He needed, he did.
01:25:27
I do I, I'm. I feel so bad for Derek.
01:25:30
I like Derek now. Oh, I, I love him now.
01:25:33
Like once he saw the light, I was like, OK, I, I can get down
01:25:36
with you, but I, you know, I. I think he was always like that.
01:25:41
He was building a molecule in the class.
01:25:43
He's very. Smart, yeah, but Holly did say
01:25:46
to Henry now he mean. He I didn't say he wasn't mean.
01:25:52
I don't think he was a bully. Will agree to disagree on that.
01:25:58
He may like Holly, so he just didn't know how.
01:26:01
No, we're not going. No, we're not going.
01:26:03
We're not going to start that that that discourse that so I'm
01:26:07
I'm AII like her, so I'm going to hit no, we we.
01:26:11
But honestly, though, looking at how his sister is and how she
01:26:14
responds to things, clearly that's how that that dancer they
01:26:17
got in their house though, and I know, and that's that's the way
01:26:20
because that must be acceptable when he he can just hand it
01:26:23
back. I was best and in.
01:26:25
The ages and anyway, you know. Right, because even Erica got a
01:26:28
flipped mouth. Yeah, let let's be honest.
01:26:35
If Derek is a bully, Eric is a bully.
01:26:38
Oh now we, we, I mean what is the running joke right now?
01:26:42
Send Erica to Derry Mane and she will have Pennywise out of that
01:26:46
town in 5 minutes you guys. Don't mess with she don't have
01:26:49
to be a bully, they just don't mess with her.
01:26:52
Nobody messing with her. Yeah, there's a reason.
01:26:55
Yeah, nobody messing with her be.
01:26:57
Bullied. No, no, she doesn't have to be a
01:26:59
bullet. She don't have to.
01:27:00
They literally just not going to mess with her here.
01:27:02
It is. She don't take no shit.
01:27:04
So if you and she tells the truth so you just like you just
01:27:09
back away not for herself beep beep.
01:27:12
Nah, she ain't standing up for herself.
01:27:14
I think she just tell people how it is and you just be like you
01:27:16
going to get your feelings hurt so just back away.
01:27:18
Beep, beep, beep. With that too, but she stand up
01:27:23
for herself. Think about think about how she
01:27:25
was with your head. Bastard.
01:27:27
Yes, exactly. A grown adult.
01:27:29
That OK? Yeah.
01:27:33
What did she say when they were trying to tell her?
01:27:34
We knew she was like y'all got one minute 55 seconds and.
01:27:39
She was so excited about the wormhole, which must be very
01:27:43
important for us. I mean, she just likes being
01:27:47
smart. She was like, it's my favorite
01:27:48
class. And then when they were like, Oh
01:27:51
well how how Holly's been kidnapped by the Dement Gorgon
01:27:55
and, and Vagner blah blah blah blah blah.
01:27:58
She was like, y'all should have lived with that.
01:28:01
I was like, yeah, why didn't y'all, y'all know Erica don't
01:28:04
deal with this no nonsense mess. No, but seriously, the wormhole
01:28:09
is important because they always bring a lovely science teacher
01:28:14
to explain something. So now I'm like what?
01:28:20
OK. So I want to move on now to some
01:28:24
of the other characters that we haven't talked about yet.
01:28:28
I was not expecting the friendship with Robin and Will,
01:28:33
but I am here for it. Yeah, I was going to bring that
01:28:35
up. I love that partner.
01:28:37
I I love every year that they do partner people up with in
01:28:41
different situations. So I really enjoyed the Robin
01:28:46
and Will. Yeah, and I like Robin's dynamic
01:28:50
anyway, because she, she's the person who like she has smarts
01:28:56
about her. But you, that's not immediately
01:28:58
what you noticed about her. You just noticed that she's kind
01:29:01
of, you know, she's very talkative and she's very nervous
01:29:05
and she's very, you know, she gets flustered very easily.
01:29:08
But you also noticed that she is very loyal to her friends, that
01:29:12
she has a big heart. And yeah, her, her conversations
01:29:18
with Will in these first 4 episodes, just basically once
01:29:22
Will accidentally discovers that she's gay and the way that she
01:29:30
pays attention to him and she was like, oh, OK.
01:29:34
Like she notices it about him without it being said aloud.
01:29:40
And the fact that she kind of gives him his her, her little
01:29:44
pep talk and just kind of helps him to accept things about
01:29:51
himself and also just to kind of look at things in a different
01:29:54
way. I was like, this was not the,
01:29:58
this was not the friendship I was expecting, but I love it.
01:30:02
I love that he actually now has someone that he can talk to
01:30:06
that's not within that immediate circle.
01:30:09
So he may feel more comfortable, you know, talking about his
01:30:13
feelings or or opening up to her about things that he wouldn't
01:30:18
necessarily with the rest of the group.
01:30:20
And I think that's that's very important for him, especially in
01:30:23
this first part with what happens in in the last episode.
01:30:26
It's kind of like, I don't know, like him breathing, him being
01:30:31
able to finally accept who he is fully, you know, without any
01:30:35
worries, without worrying about what other people are going to
01:30:40
think about him, without worrying about the whole thing
01:30:43
with Mike, you know, because, OK, yes, obviously we all know
01:30:47
he's in love with Mike. But also I kind of wonder if
01:30:53
that's really the case with him. And I think Robin kind of
01:30:57
touched up on that. She's like, yeah, you know, the
01:30:59
first, the first crushes that we have, the people that we attach
01:31:02
ourselves to. You know, you kind of I think
01:31:05
that even with regular relationships that that's going
01:31:07
to be kind of like the end all, be all, like, oh, this is the
01:31:10
person I'm going to love forever.
01:31:11
And that might not necessarily be true.
01:31:13
That might just be the person who is there for you to awaken
01:31:18
those feelings or for you to realize, oh, this is what I'm
01:31:21
feeling. You know, because I've seen a
01:31:23
lot of people who speculate that Will and Mike are going to end
01:31:29
up together at the end of the season.
01:31:31
And I just don't think that's going to happen.
01:31:33
I don't think one, I don't think I would want that 2.
01:31:40
It just doesn't feel right. It doesn't because it because
01:31:47
honestly, Mike really loves 11:00 and 11:00 loves Mike.
01:31:54
Yeah. He does love Will, but as his
01:31:57
friend, Yeah, it works out better that Mike is Will's first
01:32:02
crush, something that he had to overcome to then find the love
01:32:07
of his life. Not Mike.
01:32:09
Yeah, I know 'cause I don't care for my, I mean, I'm fine with
01:32:12
Mike, but not because it's Mike. I'm just saying don't throw.
01:32:16
Don't make a relationship that don't need to be made into one.
01:32:19
Yeah, yeah, that's his best friend.
01:32:25
But like I said it, he has a crush on currently at this time
01:32:28
because that's that. But I mean, a lot of people do
01:32:32
that. They their crushes are their
01:32:34
first best friend, especially a best friend of the opposite sex
01:32:38
for the most part. But sometimes it can be for the
01:32:40
same sex. And it could just be, it could
01:32:43
be that you're gay, or it could just be that you're a kid and
01:32:47
you're confused and you don't know.
01:32:50
But most of us don't end up happily ever after with our
01:32:56
first crushes. That would be almost impossible,
01:32:59
you know what I'm saying? Like who?
01:33:01
Who ends up with the person they were crushing on at 5?
01:33:04
No, nobody does that. Nobody does that.
01:33:08
So but I like the fact that Mike is like the person that he feels
01:33:16
that way towards because it's a person he's comfortable with for
01:33:21
the most part. And I feel like once Mike finds
01:33:28
out about Will, even if he finds out that Will is in love with
01:33:32
him, I don't think that he is the type of person who would
01:33:39
shun Will or who would make him feel bad about it or make him
01:33:42
feel awkward about it. Especially after the
01:33:45
conversation they had where, you know, Will was talking about
01:33:48
how, you know, basically they're talking about Wills possibility
01:33:52
of having his powers. And Will is like, oh, so you're
01:33:54
saying I'm like Beckman? He was like, yeah, but there's
01:33:59
nothing wrong with that because you're the, you're the good
01:34:01
part. You're the, you're the sorcerer
01:34:03
like that. That's who you've always been
01:34:06
for us. You know, I just feel like once
01:34:11
that comes out in the open and everybody is cool with it, I
01:34:16
think at that point we'll realize, oh, OK, you know what?
01:34:20
That was just my awakening. This is not what I need to do.
01:34:24
Cuz I think part of him does kind of feel bad about that
01:34:27
because 11 is like a sister to him.
01:34:29
And you basically are crushing on your, your sister's, you
01:34:32
know, boyfriend. But I, I don't want him and
01:34:36
might to, to end up together. That would just seem very weird
01:34:40
to me. But I do hope that he is able to
01:34:44
kind of be completely himself in front of his friends and that be
01:34:50
OK with them. I mean, we know it's OK with
01:34:53
Jonathan. We know Steve would have no no
01:34:56
problems with it. Because I mean, when Steve found
01:34:58
out about Robin, he was just like, oh, and she was like,
01:35:03
Steve say something because she's thinking he's going to be
01:35:05
upset. And Steve was like, but Tammy
01:35:07
Thompson like really, you know, so hopefully he hopefully will
01:35:12
has that same experience. But again, Robin, big part of
01:35:17
that big part of him kind of accepting who he is and the
01:35:27
result of that that we get at the end of episode 4.
01:35:31
When I say I was I I really think I need to start taping my
01:35:37
reactions because I flipped out. I flipped out just seeing will
01:35:46
be be able to kind of tap into his and I don't know if we want
01:35:50
to call it his power. Yeah, yeah, we know he didn't
01:35:56
have it going into the side down, but clearly the force diet
01:36:02
that you had to be on for a couple of days, right, This is
01:36:05
what you have. So yes, I was like definitely
01:36:08
cheering. I've watched that scene about
01:36:13
several. Times.
01:36:15
Yeah, Like way too many times. Yeah, I, I just, I just felt so
01:36:21
I just felt fondly for him. And I know even in real life he
01:36:26
was like, oh, yes, finally for my character too.
01:36:29
Because, you know, again, he's off to the side.
01:36:33
He doesn't connect with everyone, especially after
01:36:36
being, you know, taken and then not just taking the first time
01:36:40
in the second season 2 being evaded like that was a full on
01:36:45
body assault, You know, of his whole body and brain, like just
01:36:49
always being the target and the victim and being off to the side
01:36:55
and finally having finding your power.
01:37:02
And I absolutely like, absolutely love it.
01:37:05
Yeah, because I I would say I was worried when they showed us,
01:37:10
when they showed him looking through the Demogorgon's eyes, I
01:37:16
was worried. I was like, are y'all going to
01:37:17
tell us that Will is evil? Like, are y'all going to tell us
01:37:20
that he is a part of this? I was like, I don't want that to
01:37:23
be. But the way that they're doing
01:37:25
it with him being able to, I guess Siphon is the best way to
01:37:30
say it. Like he can siphon Beckner's
01:37:34
towers. I guess that's part of the way.
01:37:38
What? What is he doing 'cause he's.
01:37:40
He he has them. He's plugging into the the hive
01:37:45
mind. But he well.
01:37:48
This and and he's using the same powers.
01:37:52
But see, that's what I'm saying. Is he like siphoning them?
01:37:55
Because if he. No, he's not.
01:37:56
He's not siphoning them because if he's.
01:37:58
Not plugged in. He doesn't have the abilities.
01:38:00
Right. But he's not siphoning him.
01:38:02
He's not taking power away from him.
01:38:04
He's he's using the power. Once he's plugged in he can use
01:38:09
it, but he's not siphoning anything from victim.
01:38:12
OK, OK. But it was fantastic.
01:38:17
It was because the Demogorgans don't.
01:38:19
They don't have, they don't, they don't think, they're not
01:38:25
human, they don't have human brains.
01:38:28
So when he's played in, he actually can think and use his
01:38:32
mind, so he's able to use the power too.
01:38:38
So he's just plugged into the same socket.
01:38:41
They're plugged into the same power strip.
01:38:44
OK. Yeah, yeah, Either way it goes,
01:38:47
it was cool because all of them are getting attacked or about to
01:38:51
get attacked. And you just see them kind of
01:38:53
freak the Demogorgans freeze in the air like they can't move,
01:38:58
like something is holding them back.
01:39:00
And then when you see this will cause automatically you you
01:39:03
think it's 11, like you think 11 has come to the rescue, right.
01:39:07
Everybody else, the military is dying.
01:39:10
All the kids are being snatched up.
01:39:12
Whatever. You really think that, oh, when
01:39:14
this happens, this is 11 has come out from the upside down.
01:39:18
She's whatever when they showed Will and he's already holding
01:39:22
back the one that's trying to get it, Mike.
01:39:24
And then you have the other one in a totally different location
01:39:28
trying to go for Lucas. He does the hand that one.
01:39:32
Then you have another one in a totally different location going
01:39:36
after Robin and he puts his when he put his head up and that
01:39:41
demo, gorgeous. I was like, you know what?
01:39:43
This is about to be some good good.
01:39:48
Yeah. Cuz finally, like you said,
01:39:52
finally Will has. And I, I think even he was
01:39:57
getting, I don't know if I want to say tired, but he was just
01:40:02
kind of like, oh, you know, I think he was on Jimmy Fallon's
01:40:06
show and he was talking about when they got the script for the
01:40:09
table. And he was saying how he hadn't
01:40:12
read it yet and people were like, have you read it yet?
01:40:14
He was like, no, it's just going to be a bit more of a, you know,
01:40:17
that kind of thing. And then when they got to the
01:40:21
table read, I don't know if you've actually seen the video
01:40:24
of them at the table read when they're reading that particular
01:40:27
scene like. Yeah, when he what he knew
01:40:31
before then when he said he when he first read it, he was at home
01:40:35
and with his roommate and he shared it with her.
01:40:39
But like, literally he was like about naked, just jumping in the
01:40:43
shower, Right. So that's why I was saying when
01:40:45
I said it earlier about even in real life, he was like, OK,
01:40:49
we're going to have the same thing, me being a victim again,
01:40:52
you know, but now him finding power and being the one to
01:40:59
honestly can save them. Yeah.
01:41:02
Who have saved them? Because he just saved them.
01:41:04
It doesn't all fall on I'll. Right.
01:41:08
And it's not all about everyone trying to save Will.
01:41:11
Yeah, that too. That too SO.
01:41:14
Because you got to, you got to wonder.
01:41:17
Elle has been doing this for, for by herself for so long.
01:41:23
What kind of toll is that taking on her body?
01:41:25
We already see, even with Will, when he uses his abilities to
01:41:29
kill the Demogorgons, he has the Nosebleed.
01:41:32
You know, we see Elle, she gets that every time she uses her
01:41:35
power. What is that doing to her
01:41:37
physically? Because I'll be honest, Elle is
01:41:42
one that I am worried is not going to make it through the
01:41:44
season. You know, especially she and
01:41:46
Mike are sitting up on the roof and they're talking about what
01:41:50
would happen once all of this is open.
01:41:52
They're talking about the future.
01:41:53
And Mike is like, yeah, you know, usually in the stories,
01:41:56
the people leave town because too much has happened.
01:41:58
She was like, do you think that can happen for us?
01:42:01
And he was like, yeah, I was like, no, I.
01:42:05
No. And then?
01:42:06
I don't think she's going to make it through the season.
01:42:08
And then I'm trying to use that logical, OK, so if she dies,
01:42:12
that's Hopper. He loses another kid.
01:42:14
Would they really do that to him?
01:42:16
Damn, he may be dead too. So.
01:42:19
Because because I, I'll be honest.
01:42:21
When when when he showed that bomb when when 11 found mom and
01:42:28
he was like, yeah, if if this dude is in here, I'm going to go
01:42:31
take care of him because I don't want anything to happen to you.
01:42:33
I'm I can't risk losing you when you going to be gone.
01:42:36
So what does it matter what? Let.
01:42:41
Let me tell you, I was sitting there like, if they kill Hopper
01:42:46
in this first volume, I will be so mad.
01:42:50
Thankfully that didn't happen, but I was just like, I'm not
01:42:53
ready to lose anybody yet. Now I have a feeling this, this
01:42:58
second volume coming up, I have a feeling we're going to lose
01:43:01
somebody. I just, I think if it's going to
01:43:07
be L, it's going to be in the last episode.
01:43:09
It's going to be. Oh, yeah.
01:43:11
But I have a feeling we are going to lose someone big in the
01:43:16
next episode. I mean, in the next volume.
01:43:19
I don't know if that's Hopper. I don't know if that's Joyce,
01:43:23
because I kind of feel like Joyce is on the chopping block
01:43:26
as well. I don't know.
01:43:28
She had a she had a Wagner threw her and he threw her so nice he
01:43:33
she landed. Gently I.
01:43:35
Mean he, he destroyed. He destroyed.
01:43:39
I mean, Wagner knows, that's what.
01:43:41
The army but but but her he just.
01:43:46
Well. Blew.
01:43:47
Her over, I kind of know why he probably didn't kill her.
01:43:51
If they use that, if they use them knowing each other in the
01:43:55
past, could be, I don't know, but she, you know, he wasn't
01:44:00
really trying to hurt her. So she landed so soft.
01:44:04
She. Might have been one of the only
01:44:06
people who was nice to him. Probably so.
01:44:10
So yeah, we will see. I'm just happy that once we come
01:44:16
out on Thursday, Christmas Day, we don't have much more time for
01:44:21
only one episode, right? Right.
01:44:23
I think all the kids are safe. I think the young adults are not
01:44:27
safe. Nancy, Jonathan and Steve.
01:44:32
And Robin. And Robin, I don't think they're
01:44:35
safe, but I think all the kids. Are I don't even think Nancy
01:44:38
will ever die. I don't think Nancy will die.
01:44:42
Because even Nancy in in Nightmare on Elm Street dies so.
01:44:47
She does and that's what she's tailored out the but I don't
01:44:51
think Nancy, I don't think Nancy.
01:44:53
And then it's not Jonathan because they're going to put
01:44:55
Nancy and Jonathan really, really when she's supposed to
01:44:58
choose her own person, but she's going to choose Jonathan.
01:45:02
And then, you know, it's, it's really true, you know, Steve is.
01:45:05
Going to save everyone. I don't think Nancy is going to
01:45:08
choose either one of them. Oh no, she but like even in this
01:45:12
seat volume, Steve ain't saying he in in the running.
01:45:16
He was like it's y'all too, y'all need to get it together.
01:45:20
But I don't think she's so. He's not even trying to be
01:45:23
chosen, but he's still going to die because he's going to
01:45:26
protect them all. Well.
01:45:27
OK, so I'm preparing myself for my Christmas nightmare, OK?
01:45:32
And I mean, Steve says that he, you know, he tells Jonathan, you
01:45:38
know, she's my friend. And he emphasized friend.
01:45:41
But then later on, when they're in the world, this was last
01:45:44
season, I think it was when he told her, you know, when I think
01:45:47
about, you know, a missus Harrington and all the kids, I
01:45:51
still think of you. I don't think he's out of the
01:45:55
running or I don't think he thinks of himself out of the
01:45:57
running because I mean the idiotic stuff that they pulled
01:46:00
in the first episode. I was like y'all are so
01:46:03
childish, Like I would be glad he is but either one of y'all.
01:46:07
Yeah, but he's still, he's being very respectful of their
01:46:10
relationship. He is, but he really is.
01:46:14
I don't, I don't think Steve, Steve is is trying to hook up
01:46:18
with the next. Girl, that's so competitive.
01:46:20
But that's true too. I don't even sometimes think
01:46:23
he's nasty. I think he's just competitive
01:46:25
here and he got to prove himself because Jonathan took his girl.
01:46:31
Well, I mean, honestly, Jonathan took his girl.
01:46:33
Really did. Mr. Steve, your.
01:46:35
Girl, yeah, he did so. Yeah, but I don't think Nancy's
01:46:40
going to end up with either one of them in real.
01:46:42
I hope she goes off and has a beautiful future, yeah.
01:46:47
But I think she's a little too independent now at this point.
01:46:52
And she's also she's way more mature than those two guys.
01:46:56
Because even if Steve is like, I'm not in the running, that's
01:47:00
on y'all. Jonathan is 1/2 insecure 2.
01:47:06
Jonathan is not honest with her. Like before, before all this
01:47:11
stuff happened with Hawkins, he didn't even tell her that he
01:47:14
didn't apply to the school that they were supposed to go to.
01:47:16
Because, you know, he, he felt like he needed to take care of
01:47:21
his mom and his brother. Which I think if he had told her
01:47:25
that, she would have understood. She probably would have tried to
01:47:27
talk him out of it, but I think she would have understood.
01:47:30
And but and the fact that he felt like he couldn't talk to
01:47:33
her about that. And then all of this stuff that
01:47:35
they're going through now just. Yeah, I I'm kind of like, I need
01:47:40
Nancy to go off on her own and like, you still be friends with
01:47:43
both of the guys, but I just think Nah.
01:47:49
But of course, if one of them dies, it's not going to matter,
01:47:52
so. Yeah.
01:47:55
But ma'am, weren't you supposed to do like some bingo cards for
01:47:59
us for Stranger Things? I wrote down my my thoughts and
01:48:03
opinions. I did a check check off.
01:48:06
Yeah, but they were looking for the from the panel was looking
01:48:09
for you to have a bingo card. No, I wasn't going to make the
01:48:13
bingo card. That's what that's.
01:48:15
What you're saying that's what. You're saying y'all got to get
01:48:17
your own bingo card and filled it in?
01:48:19
That ain't. What?
01:48:21
You're saying that meant that you get you a bingo?
01:48:25
Card not what you said, that's what.
01:48:27
What you think is going to happen?
01:48:29
And she said she was going to do it.
01:48:30
And you, yes, she did. So I made my own.
01:48:33
And then y'all, everybody bring that card and see what you put
01:48:36
everybody. In that room thought you was
01:48:38
going to post a bingo card. Oh no, I'm so sorry, you know,
01:48:42
but I needed y'all to write down on your own bingo card, which I
01:48:44
thought was going to happen. We don't see what really
01:48:46
happened. So, so before it happened
01:48:50
because I'm a cheat, Well, you can't do it now because no one
01:48:57
has. Died yet?
01:48:57
No one has died yet. So you could came close, but
01:49:01
yeah, but you could really put because we're in the final
01:49:04
countdown now. So this was just a let's tell
01:49:07
you where everything is. Well, let's stand it up.
01:49:10
Well, I had that Max was still alive, running around in
01:49:17
victim's head. I said Max will be important,
01:49:20
yeah. Yeah, I had that and she was
01:49:23
around his head. How was she important?
01:49:26
I think she's more important in helping Holly.
01:49:28
Who's really important? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:49:31
So. What I did not have was Ted
01:49:34
attacking the Demi Gordon with the Golf Club.
01:49:37
I don't think anybody. Anybody had that on their Big O?
01:49:39
Card nobody, but I will say this too and.
01:49:41
Karen with a broken bottle of wine.
01:49:44
Right. I don't think Ted's going to
01:49:46
make it though just because he and Karen both got attacked.
01:49:50
But notice the kids. Their focus is all on mom.
01:49:54
So either Taylor's going to die or he.
01:49:57
Don't know nothing about Holly and Hook.
01:49:59
Imaginary friend, Yes. He does.
01:50:03
Though he don't. I mean only as far as.
01:50:06
Only as far as. She has one right, but who knows
01:50:10
the details of this man Mom does.
01:50:14
Yeah. Because she they know that they
01:50:17
talked to Mom, they ain't talking to Dad.
01:50:20
He knows nothing. Yeah, 'cause you don't really
01:50:23
see them have any kind of conversation, especially a deep
01:50:26
conversation with Ted. But we have seen it with at at
01:50:30
least Karen and Nancy, you know. But yeah, I so I think, I think
01:50:37
Ted. Is yeah, and that's the and then
01:50:39
why they running around, you know, she been with her baby
01:50:43
most that's her baby. So she know what's happening to
01:50:45
her baby. Things that I did not couldn't
01:50:50
fit Phantom that how would they fix the earth opening up?
01:50:56
I couldn't figure out how they will fix that.
01:50:58
I don't know 'cause that metal Band-Aid ain't it.
01:51:00
I was. Gonna say it ain't really fix
01:51:01
it. But like, how would we move on
01:51:04
in this story? Like I didn't know how would the
01:51:07
town look would it just have this big old opening like how
01:51:11
what would happen? I like what they did with the
01:51:14
metal Band-Aid now them making everyone stay in town because I
01:51:20
was wondering why people didn't leave because you can't now.
01:51:24
This should be called kidnapping, however.
01:51:29
They've been quarantined. OK.
01:51:32
That's what we want to call it. That's what they're calling it.
01:51:36
I mean, some people made it out of town before they quarantined
01:51:41
and some people are coming back because, I mean, Murray is
01:51:44
coming in as like delivery because you still got to let
01:51:47
people in. You got to get food, you got to
01:51:49
get supplies. You can't just.
01:51:50
Quarantine a town off and then just.
01:51:53
Yeah, but only the suppliers are coming in You.
01:51:56
It's not like your parents coming to visit you.
01:51:58
Yeah, that's true. If they live in another in
01:52:01
another state, you out of luck. Yeah, they are not letting
01:52:05
anybody leave. That's why it's OK for them to
01:52:07
pull up in your driveway with the school bus and collect your
01:52:10
child. Something's not right.
01:52:12
You didn't sign off for this. But if they men with guns, you
01:52:16
do what they say. But.
01:52:17
I'm trying to tell you they didn't ask, they told you.
01:52:22
Give me your child. But you know.
01:52:26
And you're already quarantined. What?
01:52:28
What are you going to do? Who you going to complain to?
01:52:32
Nobody's. Listening, it's like think
01:52:34
about, think. About all the concessions
01:52:35
they've already had to make. It's been 18 months.
01:52:38
Right. So.
01:52:39
And, you know, like Holly going to a strange man's house and
01:52:46
staying, well, I mean, they don't know that that's what's
01:52:50
happening. They think she's been kidnapped
01:52:52
by No, I'm talking about Holly. We are talking about.
01:52:56
Holly. No, I'm talking about Holly
01:52:57
herself. You were a strange man warned.
01:53:01
Her about the monster coming in the monster action show up.
01:53:05
I understand, but it's still it's still it's still creepy.
01:53:10
OK, It is in the street, nothing.
01:53:13
And he has all your favorite things.
01:53:15
I know we talked about that, but I'm just saying these are some
01:53:17
things I just couldn't possibly. Yeah, it is creepy, but again,
01:53:22
this is the only person she can trust right now because even
01:53:24
your brother told you monsters don't exist.
01:53:27
Right. So yeah, so I.
01:53:32
But at least when she's shown the truth, the, when she's told
01:53:34
the truth, she, you know, she didn't do the little typical
01:53:38
little kid thing like, oh, no, you're, you're not telling the
01:53:42
truth. But this is a lie because that's
01:53:44
my friend. She didn't do that.
01:53:46
She listened and she was like, oh, OK, you're making a lot of
01:53:49
sense. So what do we do?
01:53:51
You. Know yeah, but I had noise on
01:53:55
there. I had, I did have that Missus
01:54:00
Wheeler was important. And she was, yeah, she was
01:54:05
important because she gave the information about, oh, I'm
01:54:08
sorry, she's still alive. But she was important in this
01:54:11
volume because she helped Mike and Nancy find out that Mister,
01:54:18
what's it is? Henry.
01:54:20
So I can check that off my list. I had it as she.
01:54:23
She was important. #1 double O one.
01:54:26
I was just like, and I will say this too, I I like that Jamie
01:54:32
Campbell Bauer is getting his flowers now because I have felt
01:54:37
for a very long time that he has been very underrated as an
01:54:40
actor. He is phenomenal in everything
01:54:42
he does. So the fact that he is getting
01:54:45
all this love for all the the different things he's doing with
01:54:48
this show, I'm, I'm very happy about that.
01:54:51
Oh, you'll be happy. The other day he showed up at
01:54:54
you saw he showed up in the back.
01:54:56
I have, I have played every single clip.
01:54:58
I've shared it on my Facebook page.
01:55:00
I yes, I was like people are so should I have not been there?
01:55:06
But that would have been so amazing because you're watching
01:55:08
it because you're like, yeah, you know.
01:55:09
And then he turns around and you're like, what?
01:55:12
You just like, wait, what? What is that?
01:55:15
What? Yeah.
01:55:17
I would have freaked out. I would have freaked out, but
01:55:21
oh, OK, so upside down we got to talk about this wall of
01:55:30
membranes. I was like, did y'all steal this
01:55:34
from Game of Thrones? Because that's what it looks
01:55:36
like. It looks like the wall and it's
01:55:40
just it's growing and it's got stuff in it and.
01:55:48
Well, I do think it's cool they've the that Dustin worked
01:55:52
out that that the research lab is in the center.
01:56:00
That research lab, let me tell you.
01:56:02
Yeah, and that bacon is probably at the research.
01:56:05
Level and he is protecting himself against these weirdos
01:56:08
who decided to put the whole military compound in my area.
01:56:15
It's interesting that he chose to attack the convoy 'cause I
01:56:18
don't think he's ever attacked the convoy.
01:56:21
No, no, no, no. He didn't choose so I told you
01:56:23
why they were on. He was on his way to the house.
01:56:28
They. Accident.
01:56:29
They crossed his path, right? Yeah, that's right.
01:56:33
That's right. It just happened 'cause they
01:56:35
were in the way like we're and they start shooting at me.
01:56:38
I have AI, have a mission. I was on my way over there.
01:56:42
But my whole thing is the whole thing with the military being in
01:56:46
the Upside Down, like the hubris for you to plant roots in this
01:56:52
other dimension. Did you not see General K?
01:56:57
Yes. She is 90% hubris.
01:57:01
She worse than Brenner. Brenner.
01:57:05
She's 90% hubris. She is, that is.
01:57:08
Her whole aura is hubris. Listen, I mean and I.
01:57:13
Liza Hamilton is amazing, but she played that character to AT
01:57:17
to. AT to AT you call.
01:57:21
Brindles bad. Yeah, I think Doctor K is going
01:57:25
to be way worse. And the way that she was using
01:57:27
like the, I don't even know what you want to call it is because
01:57:33
it's not the Demogorgon, the shadow monster, whatever that
01:57:35
thing was, the way that she was controlling it with the heat and
01:57:40
the cold and almost killing Hopper.
01:57:42
I was just like, this, this bitch crazy, this bitch be crazy
01:57:46
like. And she's just, she's talking
01:57:50
about it and she's talking to him.
01:57:52
So calm, like, Oh yeah, so we do this and it just, you know, it
01:57:56
just might strangle you a little bit, but you're just going to do
01:58:00
this and you're going to. She was so calm with it.
01:58:04
And I was like, she has familiarity with this beast.
01:58:11
She's been there since beginning.
01:58:14
She has to, she has to have been part of that program because
01:58:17
also, how would you know how to how to get Cali and to use her
01:58:23
powers to disable 11? You have to have some insider
01:58:27
knowledge. That's what I was saying.
01:58:30
And apparently, like, he ain't by himself.
01:58:32
It's always two people working together and they split off
01:58:35
'cause they decided something different.
01:58:37
She may be crazier than him. And he was like, I ain't doing
01:58:41
that. Yeah, because her.
01:58:43
You saw what he did. So Doctor Brenner was like, I, I
01:58:46
can't, I can't work with her. I can't.
01:58:48
I feel like they work together. I can't fool with her.
01:58:51
And how much experimentation do you think she did on the Cali to
01:58:55
figure out how to create that device?
01:58:57
A lot, Yeah, a lot. A lot.
01:59:00
And see, she doesn't have any ties to the kids.
01:59:03
Whereas Brenner, Brenner kind of built himself up in this father
01:59:08
image to them. He built a bond with them.
01:59:11
So even when he was doing the horrible things, he still had a
01:59:15
little bit of a personal stake. You saw that at the end with him
01:59:19
in 11 when he was trying to get her to forgive him because he
01:59:22
was like, I was just trying to help you.
01:59:24
I was only doing this for you, yeah, But you, you, you went
01:59:28
about it in a really, really shitty way.
01:59:31
Yeah, 'cause then I'm like, what?
01:59:32
Well, what really did he do wrong?
01:59:33
What's the joke? How long he was kids?
01:59:43
Sorry. The only thing I'm like, well,
01:59:46
maybe he did not do Henry that wrong 'cause Henry was a tad bit
01:59:50
dangerous. He was dangerous.
01:59:55
However, no one knows that part, so just going by he just was
01:59:59
dangerous. He had to implant.
02:00:03
Even going by the show, he was killing little animals.
02:00:07
He's dangerous. So I said do that bad with him.
02:00:10
He he stopped him from using his power.
02:00:13
I'm saying that part. Yeah.
02:00:15
I just said experiment on on women in the in in while they're
02:00:18
pregnant and then taking their babies and telling the babies
02:00:21
that they're. Torturing them.
02:00:23
Right. I'm agreeing with you on that.
02:00:25
I'm just saying with Henry, he didn't do so bad trying to help
02:00:28
out the situation because he knew he was dangerous.
02:00:32
Anytime you take those kinds of measures to try to quote UN
02:00:35
quote help a situation you always.
02:00:37
Just make it worse and never fail.
02:00:38
Right, He was just going to be crazy so.
02:00:42
Yeah. But he was killing small
02:00:45
animals. That that doctor.
02:00:47
First of all, he killed his Mama from try to kill his and kill
02:00:51
his sister and then try to kill his dad, right so.
02:00:54
Because my whole thing was OK, if you are, if you're going by
02:00:58
the, the reasoning that Henry and and double O one has given
02:01:04
to like 11 for why he's doing the things he's doing.
02:01:07
He's basically he wants to quote UN quote cleanse the world.
02:01:11
He wants to get rid of all the bad people because the bad
02:01:15
people doing the bad things are blah, blah, blah.
02:01:18
So I can, I can understand given his father's history, like what
02:01:25
his dad did, I can understand how from a child's point of view
02:01:28
like that probably didn't know that he did what he did.
02:01:31
Because I think the thing was that he was supposed to be, he
02:01:34
was supposed to be firing one on the enemy and ended up killing
02:01:39
an innocent woman and her child or something like that.
02:01:41
I think that's what it was. That could have been an accident
02:01:44
if he had done it on purpose different, but that was probably
02:01:48
an accident. But to his child's mind, he's
02:01:52
not looking at it as this is an accident.
02:01:55
He's looking like you killed these people and you didn't take
02:01:58
accountability for you weren't punished for it.
02:02:01
You just came back and started living your life.
02:02:04
So I can understand how that could be something that might
02:02:06
have grieve him. But what did your mom do?
02:02:09
What did your sister do? Like your sister was just all
02:02:13
she was was happy about the new house skipping up and down the
02:02:17
stairs and playing and minding her business.
02:02:20
It really was his sister because I think he's saying about his
02:02:22
mom. I can't remember.
02:02:25
She was thinking something. I think only that she she
02:02:31
thought something was different about him.
02:02:33
Or she was taking him to the doctor.
02:02:35
Doctor. Brown she was.
02:02:39
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the way that they
02:02:43
treated certain things back then, yeah.
02:02:45
He probably like, oh, OK, yeah. Oh, yeah, I I hear what you
02:02:48
thinking. OK, but not his sister.
02:02:51
She's playing with the Barbies, sleeping alone.
02:02:54
She's just minding her business skipping up and down the stairs,
02:02:57
so you know. She would have been traumatized
02:03:00
from what she saw. You didn't have to do nothing
02:03:02
else. Yeah, so.
02:03:07
Or maybe in his mind he maybe in his mind he killed her so that
02:03:11
she wouldn't become one of those people who did such and such.
02:03:14
Which again, presents a problem because now you are making
02:03:18
decisions and doing things based on what people could do.
02:03:23
You know, you're not giving them a, a chance to actually grow up,
02:03:28
make choices, you know, make the right choice.
02:03:31
Because his sister could have grown up to be a great person,
02:03:36
but he didn't give her that chance.
02:03:38
But yeah, his whole thing, like what he's planning on doing with
02:03:44
the kids, Yeah, it, it, it comes off very creepy.
02:03:51
And it's like from his point of view, again, from, from his
02:03:57
warped way of thinking, he's trying to fix the world and the
02:04:04
kids are going to be the way for him to do it.
02:04:07
But do you're not you're not doing much better telling the
02:04:11
kids, Oh yeah, we're going to get your friends 1st and then
02:04:13
we're going to get your families.
02:04:16
How you going to do that when two of them in the hospital
02:04:18
because of what your things did? Like, yeah, it it's, it's just
02:04:28
it's not going to work out the way that he wants it to work
02:04:34
out. And I'm just like, especially
02:04:36
with with the kids that he got that whole thing with them
02:04:39
getting the kids into the tunnel and, you know, like that whole
02:04:43
plan. I was just like how?
02:04:46
How were y'all even? Able to pull this off, but it
02:04:49
was actually a good plan. It was.
02:04:52
It was, but that until Lucas got a too little bit excited.
02:04:59
Well, I mean. Yeah, it was the what was it was
02:05:01
the leak, the leak in the Pike? Yeah.
02:05:04
That pretty much caused everyone to go towards the bathroom
02:05:08
because if not, that was they were solid.
02:05:11
I mean, not with VEGNA, no, it wouldn't work with VEGNA, but
02:05:14
they were solid. With the military, though, that
02:05:17
was a good plan. And that's the other thing
02:05:19
because y'all didn't notice how these kids getting up, going to
02:05:22
the bathroom and not coming out Like who?
02:05:24
It was 1 teacher come on. And they're not paying me
02:05:27
overtime for this, so I'm it. Was more than one teacher.
02:05:30
I'm just joking. We were sitting in the corner
02:05:34
talking. I mean, but the military, the
02:05:37
military is supposed to be a little more diligent.
02:05:40
Like y'all are supposed to be protecting those kids.
02:05:43
Yeah, but they're supposed to be taking them on the outside.
02:05:45
Really. The teachers were supposed to be
02:05:46
monitoring and you know what? This is off hours, so I don't
02:05:50
know what y'all want me to monitor.
02:05:53
They went into the bathroom, you know, and they're over there
02:05:56
with, you know, with the meditation group.
02:05:59
We just assumed they were going. The bathroom.
02:06:03
And coming back to sit with his group, yeah, we're just happy
02:06:08
that they were quiet over there. That group was quiet.
02:06:10
They were. They were, but.
02:06:14
But it it, it was a good, it was a good plan.
02:06:21
Yeah. It just didn't matter where they
02:06:23
popped up. He if they could have got them a
02:06:28
little bit sooner, they could have been out of town.
02:06:31
Yeah, it was the words but and eventually got the glow up in
02:06:36
this season. He been taking that Ozempic.
02:06:43
He burned half his body away. And shot at him.
02:06:46
That's true. So, I mean, he's done.
02:06:48
But he he he has. He's looking good.
02:06:52
Yeah. Looking deadly, right?
02:06:56
Very deadly when you, you putting your fingers through
02:06:59
people's heads. Yeah, that was a lot.
02:07:01
That was a lot. I'm just saying.
02:07:03
Listen, I was like, you didn't even have to do all that.
02:07:07
You really did. But a glow up too was Mike
02:07:11
leading the children away from danger and making sure that they
02:07:15
didn't really pay attention to people being shot and killed in
02:07:17
front of them. And.
02:07:18
He's like eyes on me. Yeah, so I enjoyed that part.
02:07:22
Yeah. And the kids wait for me.
02:07:26
I'm thinking when you scream wait for me, you need to keep
02:07:29
up. Like, do you not see these
02:07:32
monsters that's going? Around and the military is
02:07:34
shooting and stuff. Nah I'm not a wait for you.
02:07:37
Keep up. Yeah, but I mean, and all of
02:07:41
them were, all of them were, were doing great.
02:07:43
You know, Robin Murray and Joyce had some of the kids because,
02:07:47
you know, they all got separated once they got caught.
02:07:50
Lucas had a couple of the kids. Now, unfortunately, Vecna has
02:07:54
all the children now, but he doesn't have his Demogorgons, or
02:07:59
at least he doesn't have, you know, those three.
02:08:03
I don't know how many he has now, but it's again, it's just
02:08:06
kind of interesting. It's very weird to me that the
02:08:11
military has that outpost in the Upside Down and the Demogorgans
02:08:18
have been silent up until now. That's that seems very weird to
02:08:23
me but. Victor has Victor has a long
02:08:28
term goal like he had they've they've basically done
02:08:32
everything he needed them to do. He needed them to to sense of
02:08:37
threat and put all the kids in one place.
02:08:40
Yeah, yeah, they. They, they kind of missed, well,
02:08:45
they, the kids kind of missed their form because they kind of
02:08:48
spread some of them out. But he was able to recover.
02:08:52
But they did exactly what he needed them to do.
02:08:55
And then he was done because he sent them back to kill Robin,
02:09:03
Lucas and Mike. Like I'm tired of these
02:09:06
children. Yeah.
02:09:08
Yeah, I'm in the Indigo right now.
02:09:10
The whole disrespectful thing about it was he sent the
02:09:14
Demogorgans to kill them. He had Will in his grasp and he
02:09:20
just basically was like, you started all of this because you
02:09:23
showed me the children are weak and I can control them.
02:09:26
So thank you for that and just left him there.
02:09:29
Why but do? You still say we, we I still got
02:09:33
use for you or something. But you know, to him will.
02:09:39
Will is not the threat, though. Right, he can he's going to use
02:09:43
will when he wants to use Will. So that's why he's not going to
02:09:46
kill. He you're not going to kill your
02:09:48
pet, your little child, you're not going to kill.
02:09:51
But he backed burn, but that was told it was.
02:09:55
It was told disrespect, like you just picked him up, talked to
02:09:58
him and just like I'm done. Yeah, just.
02:10:01
Basically and. Walk the dog and you showed me
02:10:03
that children are weak and yeah. I've been using you this whole
02:10:08
entire time. Thank you I.
02:10:10
Was like, that was so disrespectful.
02:10:13
And I know Will was probably like, you know what?
02:10:15
I've been holding the back of my hand, the back of my head for
02:10:19
the last four years for nothing. Yeah, I was so peaceful in
02:10:22
California to come back to this shit.
02:10:25
Right. But, but I mean, if he had
02:10:28
stayed in California and all this stuff would have happened,
02:10:30
he would have felt guilty. Yeah, but yeah.
02:10:34
He would not reach his true potential.
02:10:37
Nope. And that sure, that potential
02:10:40
boy changed his whole tired look.
02:10:41
I was like, that's why we're looking good.
02:10:46
Very confident, right looking, looking strong like.
02:10:52
That that haircut was different because it was all wet and WAVY.
02:10:57
And when he did this, I was like, oh.
02:10:59
Will and the look on his face I was like oh excuse me OK so I
02:11:03
said volume to don't have him looking like no victim again.
02:11:07
Please no, I'm looking strong. I think this was this was Will's
02:11:13
Lucas and Mike glow up. This was his.
02:11:16
You'd better lay your hands off dust and oh, you're the mouth
02:11:19
breather. This was his.
02:11:21
Moment for that. So now, now it's just Dustin's
02:11:27
turn. But Dustin, let me tell you,
02:11:29
when Dustin took that damn drill to Steve's car, I was like, OK,
02:11:34
this is when Dustin going back. This is when Dustin's going to
02:11:39
die. But yeah, I mean, now it's
02:11:44
Dustin is literally the only one who needs to have his his his
02:11:50
glow up moment. Yeah, you know, he's and and it
02:11:55
could be that. OK.
02:11:57
Hey, you got to do this for Eddie.
02:12:00
You got to do this to make sure that, you know, the truth about
02:12:03
Eddie comes out so that he can rest in peace, so you can have
02:12:07
your peace, blah, blah, blah. OK.
02:12:09
I needed to come in the second volume because kind of like what
02:12:12
Lucas said to Max's at, you know, at Max's bedside, we all
02:12:17
have to be together in order to get this done.
02:12:20
So Dustin got to get on it. He got to get that glove up, and
02:12:23
I'm going to need Max to get out, which I know one of the
02:12:28
episodes for Volume 2 is Escape, Escape from Camazot.
02:12:33
So somebody's coming out. I don't know if it's going to be
02:12:37
her or Holly. I'm hoping that it's Max.
02:12:40
I'm hoping that it's Max too. I'm hoping that it's Max Holly
02:12:47
may end up getting left behind because she may be the one to
02:12:50
convince the other kids that hey this is what we need to do, you
02:12:54
need to come here. Like she may be able to rescue
02:12:56
the other kids like Max rescued her and then they able to give
02:13:02
Beck the hell. I mean all I got to say is the
02:13:06
second episode is on. Holly is just having just an
02:13:10
awesome time at the Playhouse here.
02:13:12
This is creepy. This cuz it be a creeper and she
02:13:17
over here baking cakes. She's 9, dancing.
02:13:21
We're we're looking at this from grown up I.
02:13:23
I know and back in the day with everything was innocent.
02:13:26
You are absolutely right. You know, you go with the
02:13:30
stranger, you exploring their house and you find, you know,
02:13:34
things made out of skin. See, you don't do that.
02:13:37
You snooping in things you just you don't.
02:13:41
She has dresses. She made her some chocolate
02:13:43
cake. Watching television, I mean.
02:13:46
It's it's interesting you saying something about her helping the
02:13:50
other kids because her D&D character that that Mike has for
02:13:56
her. Holly the heroic makes portals.
02:14:00
So maybe that you might be on the something there.
02:14:05
Yeah, like, kind of like what Michelle says.
02:14:07
They don't tell us certain details without it, you know,
02:14:11
being important later on. So I don't know, maybe that has
02:14:16
to do with that whole wormhole thing too.
02:14:18
I don't know. I don't know.
02:14:20
And especially since she's reading a wrinkle in TIE and all
02:14:25
of that is about making portals and saving kids and saving
02:14:32
universe so. Yeah.
02:14:34
Yeah, it makes me want to go back and watch the movie.
02:14:37
I'm not reading the book but can't.
02:14:39
Book The book is. I meant by Christmas Day.
02:14:43
Seriously, I can watch the movie maybe by Christmas Day, but not
02:14:46
read the book by Christmas Day. It's probably.
02:14:49
That big it's. Not that big.
02:14:52
OK again. You, you know.
02:14:55
What, you watch the movie while I'm like you?
02:14:57
Have to read the whole. Working in yeah I I'm trying to
02:15:01
get something in to assist in watching volume to gotcha.
02:15:07
I don't have time. For that look, I'm like you feel
02:15:11
like that, then you'll. Read it and tell me what?
02:15:13
Happened. I've read I was just, I was
02:15:15
like, I might need to go to Goodwill and see if I can find a
02:15:17
copy I. Read it.
02:15:19
I'm not reading it again. I don't even.
02:15:23
I may have read an elementary school, I don't even remember.
02:15:27
I didn't, but I saw the movie OK.
02:15:31
I know I didn't see the movie so but yeah.
02:15:36
But we got 3 episodes coming on Christmas Day at 8:00 eight.
02:15:45
O'clock. And then the finale is on New
02:15:50
Year's Eve, also at 8:00, It's called The Right Side Up.
02:15:55
That one is actually 2 hours and 5 minutes.
02:15:59
And we are going to see that in the movie theater.
02:16:01
And I'm excited, but I'm also sad because that means it'll be
02:16:06
over. Like we're starting 2026 with No
02:16:09
Stranger Things. Period now.
02:16:12
But I'm OK with that because it's over and then I have
02:16:16
something I can watch from beginning to end.
02:16:18
Yeah. And it's I mean.
02:16:20
You have books. And and it and, but it's also
02:16:23
complete because they, the Duffel brothers, care about this
02:16:27
and they put in the work and it's complete.
02:16:32
Yeah, and sometimes you can't say that for a lot of things.
02:16:35
That's true. I'm hoping we don't have a Game
02:16:38
of Thrones situation. I don't think so.
02:16:40
Because they're staying true to what they feel the story should
02:16:43
be and not because it needs to end or it's too much money and
02:16:47
this and this and this from HBO. So because it's not HBO, so this
02:16:51
is theirs. It's not like they're waiting
02:16:53
for an author to finish what they're, you know, this is a,
02:16:57
this is something where they had to, because I've been watching
02:17:00
their interviews where when they first went to Netflix, they had
02:17:04
to explain what the upside down was, but they couldn't give it
02:17:08
away. But they had like 15 pages of
02:17:12
information just so that they can be aware.
02:17:16
So you, you, you really thought about this.
02:17:19
Yes, you may have thought that they thought they wanted many
02:17:23
seasons, but they wasn't sure about season.
02:17:26
It'll be season 1. I know people are like, well,
02:17:28
you know nothing about VEGNA, but they knew about the big bad,
02:17:33
which we don't. We don't, you know, until next
02:17:36
week. Yeah, I was going to say VEGNA
02:17:38
is not the big bad. Right.
02:17:40
So we can say he was, he was a part of the story.
02:17:44
But, you know, and there's some things that they're closing up,
02:17:48
like they bought, they're bringing Cali back.
02:17:51
They want to close that up. They going to tell us who opened
02:17:53
that door when Will was being chased?
02:17:56
Yeah. Yeah.
02:17:59
So that's that's what I would like.
02:18:02
Give me some clothes. You give me a good wrap it up in
02:18:06
a nice, pretty neat little bowl. 'Cause I know this can't go on
02:18:12
like they are adults. And if it does go on, how sad is
02:18:17
that for their life that they're totally in the trauma response,
02:18:22
like they haven't had a rest time.
02:18:25
So once this is over, maybe, you know, people be dead, but they
02:18:29
can get they can stop. It's over.
02:18:32
They're not waiting for something else to keep happening
02:18:34
to them. Yeah, unless we get something 10
02:18:37
years down the road where it starts affecting their children.
02:18:41
Well, that would be a quite great story.
02:18:43
But her Nancy was gonna might get a spin off.
02:18:46
Her spin off is a book. OK, Yeah.
02:18:49
That, you know, they have. They have Stranger Things novels
02:18:52
and there's a Nancy novel coming out sometime early next year.
02:18:59
So yeah. But you know how the media, they
02:19:01
spend things and it's like, oh, she's got a spin off.
02:19:03
I was like, they're not doing a show.
02:19:05
They're not. Yeah, no, it's a book.
02:19:08
Yeah, because I think they do. They're doing something.
02:19:11
They're doing something else. Yeah.
02:19:16
But is there anything else in volume one that we did not touch
02:19:20
on? I mean, there was a, there was a
02:19:22
lot that happened. Well, I I just wanted to mention
02:19:26
Popper and Elle's assault on the base, which I thought was kind
02:19:32
of cool. Yeah.
02:19:36
She told him she could do it, and she did.
02:19:39
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, he knew she could do
02:19:42
it, but he was trying to protect.
02:19:43
Her timing was off a little bit, but you know, you just never
02:19:46
know until you there you got to be put in the situation.
02:19:49
Yeah, flying over, you know, the bus and stuff like that and.
02:19:53
And doing pumpkin heads is not the real thing, but I mean but.
02:19:57
He because he saw you can see, you see her potential.
02:20:00
Yeah, you can. But he that last run, he told
02:20:04
Joyce, Joyce was like, did she clear it?
02:20:06
And he was like with a second to spare.
02:20:09
So he knew it. But he's been he's trying to
02:20:11
protect her because he doesn't want to lose her.
02:20:13
Right. No, I mean, when she did it, he
02:20:15
was saying, Oh my gosh, no, no, your time's off.
02:20:17
Your time's off. And it was.
02:20:19
And she was like, oh, shoot, when she I missed, she was like,
02:20:24
oh shit, I missed. But she recovered quickly.
02:20:27
Yeah, but. Yeah.
02:20:30
So and the and the revelation that it was Cali, I thought that
02:20:34
was kind of. Cool, yeah.
02:20:35
Yeah, that was. Pretty good.
02:20:36
And you know, and it's cute that Robin and Vicki are together.
02:20:43
It's cute. But this ain't gonna work 'cause
02:20:46
you want to tell Vicki what's happening because you keep
02:20:48
cancelling on Vicki and Vicki look like she getting a little
02:20:52
tired. She getting a little tired.
02:20:53
Just a little. Yeah, 'cause you you trying to
02:20:56
take her the end zone, 'cause you know you have made fucked
02:20:59
up, right. So this is.
02:21:02
Not going to work. None of y'all Nancy and Jonathan
02:21:06
are different because both of them are in it.
02:21:08
But if you don't need to be dating nobody who has no
02:21:13
knowledge of this because, one, because you're going to have to
02:21:18
be lying to them, and then two, you could possibly be putting
02:21:23
them in in danger that they don't necessarily need to be in,
02:21:27
especially if they are ignorant of what's going on.
02:21:31
That's just not fair, You know? So it's cute.
02:21:37
I'm glad she found, you know, she got her crush.
02:21:39
But yeah, that is something. Look, Vicki might die.
02:21:46
That part so it. Will suck for Robin, but did she
02:21:54
at least? She had a little love before,
02:21:56
you know. Yeah.
02:21:57
It went away. Yeah, but you?
02:22:00
You don't need to be in a relationship when you are trying
02:22:04
to find the thing that is trying to end the world.
02:22:07
Right. Well, I really did enjoy volume
02:22:12
one. I've watched it twice.
02:22:16
It flows really well. So it's not one of those things
02:22:19
where I can say, OK, this happened in episode 1234.
02:22:27
I mean, clearly we know what happened in four.
02:22:30
Yeah, yeah. I mean the big.
02:22:33
However, but it it just seems like it's it's a great like flow
02:22:37
from one to the other. I really actually probably liked
02:22:41
episode 2 the the trap. I really did.
02:22:50
Episode 2 was. Good.
02:22:50
Yeah, I really like them working together.
02:22:52
Yeah, and stuff. Episode 2 was like old school
02:22:55
Stranger Things. Yes, it was, yeah.
02:22:59
But I think I think 4 was my favorite because of Will.
02:23:04
Oh yeah, 4/4. I mean, I like to.
02:23:07
Because I was. Just like finally, but I love to
02:23:12
4. It's just the 20 minutes.
02:23:18
No, it's more than it's more than 20 minutes.
02:23:20
It's it's all it starts when Derek the meditator was getting
02:23:27
those kids in that bathroom and then when everything went to
02:23:31
hell. It's like I I like that, but I
02:23:33
liked everything. I'm just saying those are the
02:23:37
just the the parts like I enjoy like Mike being physical in
02:23:43
episode 2, like he did good. Yeah.
02:23:46
And I'm always great when Nancy has a gun, any type of gun.
02:23:50
Anytime, yeah, anytime Nancy is in her Take charge money, yes.
02:23:55
Also, I I liked finding out what happened to Max.
02:24:01
I like having that that kind of because I was really worried
02:24:05
about that was like, I don't want her to just spend the
02:24:07
entire time just in the bed. You just got something to do.
02:24:11
So. Yeah.
02:24:12
So it was cool, you know, seeing where she woke up to and where
02:24:17
she's, you know, landed. Make her home in The Cave.
02:24:21
Yeah. And stuff.
02:24:22
Now I I need the Henry Creel back story because again, I
02:24:25
don't know anything about the first shadow.
02:24:28
I've purpose. I purposefully have kept away
02:24:32
from it because I was like, I don't want to know anything just
02:24:35
in case it has something to do with season 5.
02:24:38
And then I'll probably go and and read some information on it.
02:24:42
I really want to see it. But you know, I, I just I.
02:24:49
Don't. Yeah.
02:24:51
And it's different here in the States than it is overseas too,
02:24:58
because we watched a video where they talked about the, I
02:25:01
watched, they talked about the differences and stuff.
02:25:03
So it didn't. It makes it seems like that we
02:25:05
have a short attention span also.
02:25:08
We stupid. We stupid.
02:25:13
That's not what she said, she said.
02:25:15
I'm gonna go with we. Have That's why they made the
02:25:19
changes, because we're stupid over here.
02:25:22
Yeah. No, I just, I think, I think
02:25:25
over here we also view theater a lot different than they do over
02:25:29
there. So, but you know.
02:25:32
No, it, it's literally stuff that has nothing to do with
02:25:34
theater. It's just like, 'cause we, we,
02:25:38
we got to dumb things down to take it, but that's just, that's
02:25:41
OK. It's all right.
02:25:43
We'll get better one day. Probably not, but we will.
02:25:48
It ain't gonna be before Episode 8, so.
02:25:51
Or. No, it won't be.
02:25:56
So again, we have the three episodes for volume to coming up
02:26:02
in a couple of days. So we will continue recording
02:26:07
Stranger Things by volume because we just see, especially
02:26:11
with this being the holidays, trying to do it episode by
02:26:13
episode was just not working. I mean, we rescheduled trying to
02:26:17
do episode 1, I think 6 times total.
02:26:21
And it was just like, OK, you know what, at this point, we
02:26:23
will never get it done. So we will do Volume 2.
02:26:28
And then again, we will be spending our New Year's Eve at
02:26:32
the movie theaters watching it. Maybe we'll do a live reaction
02:26:37
afterwards. That that would be great.
02:26:40
That would be fun. Yeah.
02:26:43
We, I mean, we may have to do. I'm sure Michelle and I are
02:26:46
going to be ugly crying. We're going to have tea.
02:26:48
Right. And I'm going to be like, can't
02:26:50
see a thing too and see when I sit that close to a screen, but
02:26:55
I'm there for it. I'll fear it out.
02:26:58
Yeah, because it's a small theater and those things were
02:27:01
going quick. And what made me mad was that
02:27:04
after I purchased my $500 worth of tickets, everyone, the app
02:27:11
kept crashing and I kept thinking I didn't purchase
02:27:14
tickets. And then I did.
02:27:15
And then I had Anthony over here purchasing tickets and then all
02:27:18
of a sudden I'm getting confirmation you have bought
02:27:20
tickets. What?
02:27:24
They opened up a big theater. I was like, why you just didn't
02:27:27
do that beforehand? I'm confused about that.
02:27:30
But it's also an hour later, which means that, yeah, they,
02:27:34
they probably, they will have an hour of some kind of spoilers
02:27:37
before. No, they won't 'cause we would
02:27:39
be sitting up in that movie like this.
02:27:41
They put your damn phone down. You know, everybody put your
02:27:43
phone down, don't say a word. Yeah, OK, it started.
02:27:48
We're going to go, we're going to be one of the first people to
02:27:50
see it. That'll be great.
02:27:53
And then like, like Anthony said, we may do a live reaction
02:27:55
video, we may talk about some stuff, and then Stranger Things
02:28:01
will be over. Yeah, and they'll be New Year's.
02:28:04
Yeah, Look, I'd be like, yeah, we don't answer 2026.
02:28:09
Stressed and distraught. I just go into bed.
02:28:16
I know because like. What can help?
02:28:17
Everybody, I'm good. I need to.
02:28:20
I need a moment. Yeah, I think that's going to be
02:28:23
me, too. So.
02:28:24
Right. I like Michelle.
02:28:27
You OK? No, I'm not OK.
02:28:29
I'm just going to be in the bed. I don't think we're going to be
02:28:31
OK, but it's going to be OK. So.
02:28:36
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02:28:44
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