#outlander Jamie and Claire say goodbye to the Ridge as they prepare for what may be Jamie's final battle.
*Thank you to everyone who had something to do with bringing the story of Jamie and Claire (and their families) to life over the past 13 years.
Announcement: As mentioned toward the end of our show, I am excited to announce that I have been invited to participate as a Featured Guest Moderator at Land Con US, an Outlander-themed fan event/convention taking place October 2-4, 2026 in Austin, TX. More details about the event can be found at this link.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and Dina and the fandom.
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Hybrid Outlanders series finale Therapy session is now in
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session How we feeling y'all how are we feeling are we and.
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It's not because of the episode, it's more of it's over.
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Yeah. So I had to after watching the
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last episode yesterday, I I just had to take a shower and just
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decompress because. Yeah, yeah.
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It's like. Eight seasons, 101.
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Episodes, I think they've been filming this for 13 years.
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That's that's a lot of time to invest into something and for it
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to be just over and done with. I'm so sad.
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And, and to be there those 13 years, like even though I came
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in right when they were doing the, the season finale on season
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1. So that's pretty much the
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beginning. That's, that's a long time that
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I didn't want to finish. I didn't want to watch it 'cause
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I have an issue. I do that a lot.
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It's like another show I really love was Breaking Bad and it was
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the last episode. It took like a year or so to
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watch the last episode because I just didn't want it to be over.
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Right, right. OK.
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And to know what happened, Yeah. So this is the only reason it's
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'cause we talking about it today, 'cause if not I would
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have just pushed this. Well, you still have the books.
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Now you can really focus on the books.
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Right, you can. And I love how, and now we kind
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of jump it. I love how they ended it, but
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'cause they left it where the books carry on.
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So it's like, oh, that's good. It's not like, you know, Game of
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Thrones where you you kill everybody.
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Well, when he write the last book, which he not, but whenever
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that last book come out with a ghost writer, I.
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Was going to say, we can't even get a last book.
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We can't even get a next book with that one right?
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That's what I'm saying. That's neither here nor there.
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But they they don't have anywhere to go.
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But here we didn't really get like the end.
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We got closure, but we didn't get close.
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Right, so she can keep going. It can be and we need to know or
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it can be open-ended depending on like depending on really what
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kind of fan you are. Because I've seen a lot of
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things online where there were people who were really confused
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about what happened at the end. And I think again, we, we talk
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about it, we dissect it. So I think for us it's kind of
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obvious what happened. But for some people who really
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didn't pay attention, especially to all of the stuff about the
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blue light and the mentions that they've had of it, if they
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weren't really into that part of it, then there is it's going to
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go over their heads. Because I even got an inbox from
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one of our, one of our listeners, Todd, who does the
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Alienating Ourselves podcast with our friend Nick.
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He, he messaged me. He was like, OK, I have a whole
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list of questions. And he, that was one of the
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questions. But he also admitted he's never
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watched Outlander from the beginning.
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He kind of came in like in the middle of the show and just kept
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going. So he's never watched it from
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the beginning. So he was like, am I missing
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something with the the thing with the flowers at the end and
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stuff? I was like, yeah, I was like, I
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can either answer it now or I or we can, you can listen to the
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podcast when we do it. He was like, I'll wait for y'all
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to discuss it. But yeah.
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So it's like if you're not into the story, into the story or if
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you aren't a book reader, some of those things.
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I do see how as a show only person, especially, especially
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if you are, I would say you're a fan, but you're not a, a super,
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super fan. Like you don't take everything
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and dissect it and all this other stuff.
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I I can see how it kind of goes over your head or how you might
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have missed certain things or. You just forget, like me.
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I forgot. I don't forget so much stuff.
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And I was like. And that's easy to do when
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you're when you're going like a year and a half between seasons.
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Oh God. And then it's been, like you
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said, 13 years. Two, I can't remember what I had
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on last week. Let me tell you, I'm supposed to
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remember somebody else's life and those details.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But OK, let's get into the
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episode right off the top. The throwback to the fiery cross
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and the battle cries of all the clans that are there on the
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Ridge. I was like, OK, yeah, I'll get
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this height for this battle. Then you bring in the classic,
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original Outlander theme. I started crying.
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I was like, you know what? I was like, OK.
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Bringing Red Yarborough back for the final episode of the show.
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The the the one that started it all.
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I was like, OK, so y'all really finna fuck with us from the
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beginning. OK, I see what y'all are doing
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because I'm sitting there. I had to pause and be like.
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Because I watched an interview with her and her talking about
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it and I was like, girl, how long you did this thing and
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forever what you talking about? I was singing for Outlander and
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then when they had not heard her voice, I was like.
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I did too and and then asked for me because I was watching the
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previous episode but I needed to get into this episode.
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I showed up, skipped it, didn't even realize.
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Oh yeah, until just now, back-to-back.
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Yeah, yeah, I was going back-to-back.
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So did you go back and just listen to it for?
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No, I just, I just found out. Oh yeah.
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So now I got to go get off. As much as you complain about
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not liking like, I just want them to go back to the original.
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I like the original. You need to go back and and and
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listen to. It yeah, I do that's what I'm
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going to go back when we're done to go back to the beginning
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because I've been through this episode a few times but.
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And then to also end the show with her as well, because the
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song they played at the end was an original piece that they did
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for the show, also sung by Ray Yarborough.
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I was like, OK, this is just this is awesome because I love
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her voice. Like I like the differences in
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the different in the different themes for the seasons because
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it's it's very much regional based on where they are.
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And I like hearing the different interpretations of it.
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But there's nothing like that original 1 like that, that one
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that kind of drew you in and just kind of made you feel like
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this show was very mystical, you know, back when it was a little
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more magical, you know, in the beginning.
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So I, I very much love that. Before we go into the rest of
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it, Michelle, since you weren't here last week, we got to get
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your thoughts on a couple of things.
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OK, so let me go to my lovely text Ryan to remind me of what
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happened. All right, so episode 9,
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correct? OK, so episode 9 one the first
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thought they did not kill Lord John, 'cause I'm not watching no
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more. That's how I was feeling.
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So what kind of shit is this? Yeah, we're not doing this.
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We're not doing this second. Well, sure enough, Jamie was
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looking really great coming out of that water.
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And then when he was dry, like the oils dried, right, that hair
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was laid. I was like, oh, he's looking
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quite yummy there. Yeah.
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Quite yummy even before. What was the name of the guy who
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took him? Now I forgot.
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Richardson, Richardson. So it was kind of cool to see.
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Or did we already know that? So yes, lost track.
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Did we know he was a traveller? So.
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He's the guy that I told you when Brianna and the kids were
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driving away from Lallybrock, when they were trying to escape
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Rob Cameron, there was a guy who was trying to hold the van open
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and Brianna smashed his finger in the van and Rob Cameron
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called out for him. He was like, that's actually
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Callahan. And I think they didn't really
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focus on it in the show. Because it was in the book.
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Yeah, but it was in the book. Like, yeah, he was, I won't say
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a major character, but he's about as major in the books as,
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let's say, Cleveland or Cunningham was in the show.
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Because in the books he's presented as an older guy who
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basically knows some history about the Scottish area.
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And when Rodger is trying to, he's when they're fixing up
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Lolly Brock, there is a structure on the grounds that
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looks like it could have been like an old church.
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You know, how they used to have like, they, they would have like
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being small churches, family worship, little areas on the
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grounds. So he was there to kind of look
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it over and say, hey, yeah, we can, we can kind of restructure
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this. We can, you know, we can
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renovate it. And so he was there a lot
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getting to know Rodger, getting to know Brianna, getting to know
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the kids, and then to turn around and find out that he's
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one of these guys that's like really trying to do all this
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bullshit to Brianna and the kids.
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So it's a lot more detailed in the book, but in the show it you
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had to really pay attention to see that that was him in the 19
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in 1980. Yeah.
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So I'm kind of glad they threw it in there like that and just
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kind of, you know, well. It was it.
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It was not. It was nice.
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I'm going to give him an A for his calls.
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If it was anybody else he kidnapped, we would be fine.
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And that's, that's you know what I'm saying?
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So it was a try. Then I was like, OK, let him
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try, let's see what happens. And then, damn, he was dead.
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I was like, OK, well, but I do kind of believe her because I
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was like, how's she going to go with this?
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But she has. They have tried.
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They have tried. But I feel like from all the
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stuff we have watched and even in the world, period, they're
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going to be core moments in life that you just can't change
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because it drives what has to be done.
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So, yeah, that would have been great, you know, changing
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slavery and all. But I think that's just the part
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of history that needs to be there.
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And it just has to be there. So but but a for effort, you
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know, for your goals, for Trump, you know, you didn't make it.
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But, you know, I am finally, finally glad that John told
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Jamie off. Let's go back to the part real
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quick where Jamie said, I forgive you.
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I said forgive you for what? And I'm glad that everybody else
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in the room knows that too, because even clever that him
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like, yeah, a hole. What?
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What are you talking about? I'm like forget, forget, forgive
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me. Forgive.
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You know what, get out my house. Thank you for rescue me.
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See you. So I was so glad that John told
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him off. Like dude, I'm not some piece on
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the side of the road, a street that you never met before.
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Like you have endeared your son to me.
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Like we had this long lasting friendship over the years.
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Really. Yeah.
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It's because you said you wanted to be with me.
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Dude, it's hard to explain. You were dead.
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We just had each other. Yeah, we missing you, but you
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got beat me to like you going to kill me.
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Yeah, yeah. I was finally glad for that, you
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know what I'm saying? What else?
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Oh, I know what you was really glad about.
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Oh, Oh yes, because William finally said something I
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complained about over every podcast that he does not see the
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Gray things. It's black and white with his
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kid, black and white. And he finally said it.
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So you know what? I feel like someone's listening.
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See, see, there's two things. Y'all y'all got two things.
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Two things. Somebody listening?
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Am I listening? So this is the thing Diana
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Galbadon wrote that episode. She wrote Episode 9.
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Right. But that's how we were feeling
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about this little boy. Because I'm like, honey,
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everything ain't. You didn't tell me the truth.
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We can't tell you the truth. Yeah.
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There's something else. I'm like, you know what?
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I can't with him but now he see it.
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When she said, well, what is that going to change our future?
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He was like, you don't want me to lie to you.
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I was like I said, This is why we need to be watching this
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together because I needed to have Michelle's facial
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expressions on film. It it was, it was fantastic.
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And I'm like, honey, so sorry you're not the one.
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You're not the one. You're not the one.
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You will not receive a rose at the end of this episode.
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I am sorry. Right.
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Left. Right, so now I I like William
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again. Yeah, I'm glad he he he
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definitely, he definitely got his shit together and I'm very
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happy about that. Right.
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Yeah, so, so for all that episode, that's how they end it
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was it was a good episode. You hit all the pieces.
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But I'm going to tell you right now, Jamie was fine like wine
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boy and dry. It has to it has to be the
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season 8 glow up or something, because in in this current
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episode, the final episode, Roger Matt was looking like a a
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a Mackenzie snack. He is now that boy put some
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weight on, That's what it is, 'cause I know that too.
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He, he, he, he, he. He got a little bulky and he got
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it behind on something. Yeah, he got some.
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He got some thickness on in my life.
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Yeah, he does. I I feel that again.
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I was like, oh, I don't. Know if it was clothes or if
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it's 'cause I know he's doing several other roles.
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Like he's been picked up for a couple.
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You know, a couple. Of you know what that could be?
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I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's married
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life, 'cause he got married last year during that.
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I don't know what it is, but Rodger is looking good.
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Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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But OK, let's get into this episode because there are some
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things, there are just a couple of nitpicky things that I have.
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And it's not anything major. It's just things that, you know,
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bothered me, like the fact that when they did the the fiery
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cross, I was like, the last time you did that, Fergus was, you
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know, you know what little I'm just saying, I'm just saying,
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you know, Fergus could have been here for all of this.
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So OK, I know we. OK.
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But something bothered me and I don't know if I should have took
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it this way, but it did bug me the way they wrote it when Jamie
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was doing his will. And he's like, you know, Ian is
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like a son, you know, his nephew who's like a son and to my
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natural born son. And I don't know, that just
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rubbed me the wrong way. Like, I get it.
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Yes, he is your natural born son, but you had another son and
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obviously you left stuff to his children, his wife.
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But it just feels real like that, like.
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It. It felt like my only son is what
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I. No, it's just that he now
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because he was dead. I mean, what are we going to say
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in there to my other son? I leave heaven.
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You know I mean. What?
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What are we going to say? I felt.
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Like he could have just been like and to my son, period.
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But I. Think he probably had to do that
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because again, up to this point, family knows that William is his
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son. So you know, if if you're a
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person of that time and you're going through this will and you
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know that everybody that he is naming in this will is like his
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natural family or family to him, then you have this 9th Earl of
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El Smear that you leaving something to and it's like why
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you didn't leave anything to Lord John Gray.
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So why would you leave it to his son?
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So I think that's probably why he had to put that language in
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there. And it also was like his it was
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his final and only an opportunity to publicly say this
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is my son. I know it just made me mad
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because I. And then, like William, get to
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hear it. You get what I'm saying too?
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He wrote it, so will you can hear.
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It I do feel like that is the thing, like, you know, it's the
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claiming you everything. He left the the biggest thing to
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Brianna because she's the oldest.
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Yeah. And I did love that.
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I don't know, it just rubbed me the wrong way.
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Just maybe just because I was just in my feelings about Fergus
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not being there. I tell you, I feel I've been
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saying this since Fergus that I was like, it feels like y'all
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were taking y'all took away one song, one son to replace him
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with the other and the whole Bible just felt wrong.
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And you know, the other thing is I, I haven't really watched a
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lot of the interviews or anything yet this week just
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because I watched this and I was also dealing with a migraine
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this week. So I just haven't had a chance
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to. But I did see where someone, I
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believe it was, I believe they were doing an interview about
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Fergus's death. And Matt, Matt was like, well,
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you know, we felt like there had to be something there for like a
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big emotional impact for Jamie and Claire this season.
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OK, I get it. But the problem that I have is
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you made you made such a decision about this huge person.
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Again, Fergus has been with them longer than any of them.
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OK, so you make the death about this big person and then you
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really don't have them dealing with it the way that I feel like
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they like this was their son. Yeah, we got the little funeral
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episode. And I understand there's some
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time jumps and all of this, like from the time that all this
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happened. It's been about two years.
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So. Well, yeah, no, it's been a
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little bit over a year because Brianna was pregnant, but still,
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it's kind of like y'all could have done without that emotional
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impact because you didn't even address it in the rest in in the
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next couple of episodes. But that's again, that's my
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little nitpick. But that's also because Fergus
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was one of my favorite characters and I just I I still
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right now with everything over and done with, I still don't see
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the that there was a point for his his death.
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Like it didn't do anything for the story because Jamie and
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Claire didn't even like really they didn't.
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I know, but they still had to have a death because we couldn't
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have the kid we. Couldn't have who?
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The kid, we couldn't have this. The child die.
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They didn't have to have anybody die.
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Well, that's in the book. They were.
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They were going with the books. No, because it has no impact to
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the story. Well, see, that's the that's the
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thing. Too many other things that are
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we going to get to it? This was a beautiful the last
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two episodes beautiful. But like I said before, some of
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that stuff early on wasn't needed anyway.
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It didn't help add or do anything to this story.
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No, because we didn't have a wait.
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We could have left face stuff. Alone that wouldn't even need
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it. Y'all just going to just say you
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taking this child and you raised them as a family but y'all do
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that with other people. Y'all pick up orphans all the
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time. They don't have to be the time
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that's related to you all. The time so.
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Even in the beginning, looks like you dragged some things
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out. You didn't have to, you could
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have just made this 6 episodes. No, they could have just done
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they could. There's some other things they
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could have done that I think would have enriched the story.
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But the faith again, I'm I'm not a fan of what they did with the
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faith storyline because it makes no sense.
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Even with the whole thing with the last episode with Fanny
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picking up the rock and it cracking.
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Literally you did that with Jim and the only the only follow up
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to that was that in this episode you get the whole thing where
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Jamie says that Mandy told him that Davey, you know, is.
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Is like water. Like Jamie.
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So that means that David can't travel.
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Y'all didn't have to do a whole faith storyline for that y'all?
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Right. We, we, we did, yeah.
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We didn't have to do that. Instead, what you could have
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done is give me some Easter eggs for blood of my blood.
00:21:23
It was the brother, the brother kids or something.
00:21:27
You know what I'm saying? Like there's some meet up in the
00:21:30
future. We may.
00:21:31
Prince by the Prince Charlie. Who is it?
00:21:34
I want to know. Right.
00:21:36
So you know, you could have done that.
00:21:38
So you know. And it's also like.
00:21:41
So there's a lot of things that they could have just not paid
00:21:45
to. Build us up to the fact that
00:21:47
Claire's power was going to be the thing at the end and they
00:21:52
thought they had to like draw back in the whole master master
00:21:56
Raymond story and all that stuff.
00:21:57
So people will understand why Claire had this because it's not
00:22:00
like they really have focused on her having this power and, you
00:22:04
know, another seasons and they just kind of sort of brought it
00:22:07
out again. And then, you know, the whole
00:22:09
story. And so I guess I feel like they
00:22:11
had to tie it into something. But The thing is, like you said,
00:22:14
if people aren't heavily into the lore of the of the story,
00:22:18
they didn't know what the hell happened at the end anyway.
00:22:20
Because the measure of book reader, you don't know to look
00:22:24
for the blue glow that that apparently was very faint
00:22:29
because I wasn't even paying attention for the the blue glow.
00:22:33
Because I already knew kind of what was supposed to happen in
00:22:37
that scene. Because this scene, this whole
00:22:40
battle and everything takes place in book 9, which is the
00:22:43
book that has already been, you know, has been out.
00:22:47
So I knew that she was going to be able to heal him.
00:22:51
I didn't know if that's what they were going to do for the
00:22:52
show because apparently they filmed like 4 different finales
00:22:57
and even the actors, even the cast didn't know which one they
00:23:01
were going to use. But it's like if you weren't
00:23:05
that focused on that storyline or if you didn't understand the
00:23:09
whole thing about Claire, you know, being one of the
00:23:12
travellers who has this ability to heal, it wouldn't make sense
00:23:17
to you. Yeah.
00:23:18
Right. Even.
00:23:20
But even bringing in faith, like I didn't even even put that
00:23:24
together about her healing and faith at all.
00:23:27
Like it didn't even make me think of it.
00:23:29
Like only reason I know about the you know, the healing was
00:23:33
from two things. One, when they said she come
00:23:36
into a full power, she got the the white hair and two, you saw
00:23:41
the color with the baby. So that this point in time, if
00:23:45
you don't even read the books like I didn't, you're at the end
00:23:48
screaming at her heal him. What are you doing?
00:23:51
Stop rubbing him. Get the power, get the power.
00:23:54
Because that's what I was doing. So I think it feels like the
00:23:58
only reason why they even brought the faith storyline in
00:24:02
is to show that okay yes, even after hours, if she has that
00:24:07
power, you can do it because she literally laid with that man.
00:24:14
All night, yeah. And into the day, like we really
00:24:17
know how long this was. That's.
00:24:19
What I was going to bring up to you Hanukkah, remember you had
00:24:21
said that thing about Faith the baby was dead and she held the
00:24:24
baby the whole day and then all of a sudden it's crying and it's
00:24:28
keep passing it on to the lady. And you have said that.
00:24:30
So as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, I see what they did
00:24:33
there. That's why I was like, that's
00:24:35
the only reason why they brought the Master Raymond face stuff
00:24:38
up. It's because they wanted to
00:24:39
explain the end, but it didn't explain the end.
00:24:41
People who didn't know. Yeah, 'cause I wasn't even put
00:24:44
putting that together about that would explain why I just was
00:24:47
like she powerful. You know what I'm saying?
00:24:50
It's love. Hurry up and do it.
00:24:52
What are you waiting for? Where?
00:24:54
Are you? Like she was.
00:24:55
Calling Spirit back what? So now it makes me even mad that
00:25:00
Master Raymond did it because, like, that means you were like
00:25:03
trying some stuff, that you were doing a science project and it
00:25:07
worked. And then now you want to be
00:25:09
like, well, you know, can't find your mom, dude.
00:25:12
That's not the time to do the science project.
00:25:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, in the end, OK, The
00:25:19
end result, Michelle got her notebook ending and then I got
00:25:23
my happily ever after because she did kill him and bring him
00:25:27
back to life. Because it's like basically when
00:25:30
you see them and her hand drops, I said, did they really kill
00:25:34
these motherfuckers Like. She did, and that was my.
00:25:37
Heart. Heartbreak, it just felt like.
00:25:40
I was like, yes. Oh.
00:25:42
But it but it was very appropriate for what it for what
00:25:45
it was. I was like, OK, I really don't
00:25:49
want them to die, but if this is how they're going to die, I was
00:25:52
good with it. I was like, OK, you know what?
00:25:56
I've made my peace with this. This is the show ending is not
00:25:59
the book ending. We don't know how the book is
00:26:01
going to end. So I was like, you know what?
00:26:03
They did a really good job with that.
00:26:05
Just the way she wouldn't let go of his body.
00:26:08
And she was just kind of like, she was feral.
00:26:11
I mean, Clara used the word fuck in the last two episodes.
00:26:15
They said they were going to get it in before the end.
00:26:18
She was like, don't you fucking touch him?
00:26:20
I was like, OK, when when she seemingly died as well and we
00:26:25
got the little montage. I said, OK, you know what?
00:26:29
I'm actually OK with this. And then they come back to them
00:26:33
and they thought they she's got the white hair, I said.
00:26:36
I mean, it was white. Literally I was sitting on my
00:26:39
couch like this, like Yep, give it to me.
00:26:41
Wait, got to give it to me and then they both of them.
00:26:44
I was like, yeah. Eyes open.
00:26:46
Perfect timing guys. They did great.
00:26:49
Eyes open, breath at the same time.
00:26:50
Listen, I was like, yes, because you do leave it open for the
00:26:56
story to continue later on. And again, they've not ruled out
00:27:00
the fact that, Oh yeah, we might come back to this later on.
00:27:03
We may do a you know, we may do a movie once the 10th book is.
00:27:07
Out. It may pop up in blood, in my
00:27:08
blood, you never know. They can do that too.
00:27:12
I. Like the fact that they actually
00:27:14
left it kind of open-ended. It's like if you wanted them to
00:27:18
die at the end, you can have that.
00:27:21
But also, so yes, there's this thing where she she healed him,
00:27:25
she brought him back to life and now they can go back now.
00:27:28
But here's the thing. Y'all in in in 1780?
00:27:33
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Your ass was dead overnight.
00:27:38
We went to go back to the Ridge and and people are going to be
00:27:43
like, oh anger, this is a witch. Yep.
00:27:48
Yeah, yeah. But I think the way they
00:27:51
explained. It in the book, I think she kind
00:27:53
of she kind of explained it like he wasn't actually dead.
00:27:57
He was kind of in a coma. He was.
00:28:00
I think that's how she explained it because I I hope.
00:28:04
So that he was bleeding out. The mouth with her being.
00:28:08
Able to that's true when you have blood out your mouth, it's
00:28:10
over it's. Over.
00:28:12
Yeah, but OK, so here's my gripe.
00:28:15
Here's my only gripe about the whole death scene and
00:28:18
everything. Y'all didn't check that fucker
00:28:20
before y'all? Just that's what I said too.
00:28:23
I said how you going to arrest somebody and you didn't get that
00:28:27
good. I'm mad at you.
00:28:29
I'm mad at whoever was over there.
00:28:31
You know one of the twins where the other twin at That's.
00:28:34
Why? Who was it?
00:28:36
Was was it one of the twins? I can't remember.
00:28:38
I don't know, I'm just blaming it because both twins should
00:28:39
have been there. I don't understand why 1 twin?
00:28:41
Was like it was too. He was at home with Lizzie and
00:28:44
the kids. All the other men was gone.
00:28:47
He. Was he was it was like 2 randos
00:28:50
who just picked him up off the ground.
00:28:51
I'm like nobody searched his food.
00:28:54
Nobody thought. No, nobody.
00:28:58
Nobody. Yeah.
00:29:00
So let me tell So Dina didn't hear the story.
00:29:02
Hanukkah did somewhat yesterday. So I I was yesterday in bed
00:29:07
sick. I was like, let me go ahead,
00:29:08
watch my episodes in the middle of our call.
00:29:12
Hanukkah. I can't do this.
00:29:13
I don't want to finish this. I can't.
00:29:15
I'm already started crying. Push through.
00:29:18
I can't keep going. You you gonna love it.
00:29:20
Just keep going. I said I don't know.
00:29:22
We are to the deaf scene here. I'm over here.
00:29:26
Like hell no. What is happening?
00:29:31
The person I'm related to by marriage.
00:29:33
Come in the room then he ain't looking at the TV.
00:29:38
He immediately gets on the bed over me and he was like, are
00:29:41
you? Crying I see blocking the TV and
00:29:45
did not push the moment. Timing was bad.
00:29:51
Turn look like well, what you watching?
00:29:53
Really. Oh, is he dead?
00:29:56
Oh God. And he's telling me about this.
00:29:59
Last night we recorded. I mean, he was over me and I
00:30:02
pushed him get out the way. I said, I said, did you watch it
00:30:07
with her? He said, so let me tell you what
00:30:08
happened. I was like, oh Lord.
00:30:12
He was like, yeah. He said, I'm looking at me.
00:30:14
He said I didn't even realize what she was watching.
00:30:16
I was just like, are you crying? And she was like, yes, he's
00:30:19
there. Can you get out my?
00:30:21
Wall and I pushed him over because literally I need to see
00:30:25
what's going to happen here because since she was this is
00:30:28
the part where she was like about she stretched out and I'm
00:30:32
like, oh, here we go. Here we go.
00:30:35
Right, Yeah, yeah, Michelle's. So I.
00:30:40
Missed the blue at that point to be complete, I didn't even get
00:30:44
to see the blue 'cause it went on to the next scene and which
00:30:48
was beautiful. Yeah.
00:30:50
Which basically means oh. That.
00:30:53
Sucks. What comes first, chicken or the
00:30:54
egg? Right.
00:30:57
I will say this, yes, an avid show watcher, as a book reader,
00:31:03
as someone who has done multiple panels about time travel, I will
00:31:08
say that scene, I may have to watch it a couple more times to
00:31:13
kind of understand it because it is that whole what comes first,
00:31:18
the chicken in the head? Because if you're looking at if
00:31:21
you're looking at it the way they presented it, you got
00:31:24
Jamie's ghost, you got him looking up at Claire.
00:31:27
You have him leaving, he goes to the stone.
00:31:29
So this is a Jamie who who already knows that Claire is a
00:31:33
time traveller. You know, this is this is maybe
00:31:37
later season 1, early season 2 Jamie, who knows who she is and
00:31:43
is like, OK, this is the stone that she's on.
00:31:46
When he went to go touch the stones, I said, OK, if y'all
00:31:48
about to flip the script and and like I thought they were about
00:31:52
to do something weird like OK, now Jamie can come to I.
00:31:55
I didn't know what I was thinking when he touched the
00:31:58
stones and he was like, OK, yeah.
00:32:00
And he turns around and walks off and then the forget me nots
00:32:03
just kind of bloom there. I'm like, OK, so are they saying
00:32:07
that Jamie went to the future or his ghost was there and planted
00:32:12
the forget me nots in order for her to come then?
00:32:17
But then that's weird because again, like how would you even
00:32:21
know who she is until she came back?
00:32:23
So it's it's because. It is because he's dead.
00:32:26
And The thing is, she didn't do what Rodger said she was
00:32:29
supposed to do when he died. Because when you do those rights
00:32:32
and do whatever you needed to, he was going to go and send to
00:32:34
heaven, right. Even now, I don't know.
00:32:36
Jamie killed a lot of people. So but we going to say heaven.
00:32:39
But he was in the in between place.
00:32:41
He was in. Yeah.
00:32:42
So in that in between place, he walked around and waited for us.
00:32:47
So one of the things he did was he went to go visit her and he
00:32:50
saw her. And then he he knows that one of
00:32:52
the things she wanted that made her return to the rocks was the.
00:32:57
Forgive me, nots. Me nots so that's what I'm
00:33:00
saying. So what being but?
00:33:02
He didn't know that until she told him.
00:33:04
Right. But then it's just.
00:33:06
This is because time is never. Time is a construct.
00:33:10
Right, right. And then he.
00:33:12
Died and became all knowing in the afterlife.
00:33:15
Right. It's forward and backwards,
00:33:17
forward and backwards. Sideways and then come back
00:33:20
come. To me.
00:33:23
That's why time travel is a bitch.
00:33:24
That's why I don't. I don't like talking about you.
00:33:27
Present your you. Present yourself in your best
00:33:31
form to you. So to him, that was his best
00:33:34
form. And when they first was like in
00:33:37
their most passionate. So he was drawn to her in that
00:33:41
time period. Yeah.
00:33:42
And, and because also they had discussed previously when he
00:33:47
asked her, would she have not wanted to see those flowers?
00:33:51
Like if she could change things or whatever and she's like, Oh
00:33:53
no, I will see them flowers every lifetime.
00:33:56
Like basically, you know, so I think that was in his
00:34:00
subconscious and he took that to the afterlife with him.
00:34:03
Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:05
And then he and then they flash through their flash, through
00:34:08
their life. Yeah, because then you say in
00:34:11
the 10th book she's also going to explain that.
00:34:14
So maybe she gave them that little piece about what it
00:34:16
meant. OK, so she still didn't say.
00:34:19
No, that was, that was their version of that was their
00:34:22
interpretation. OK, OK.
00:34:24
Yeah, because I think. Someone which I don't think she
00:34:26
can go that much off of that because this makes the most
00:34:31
sense. Yeah, possible.
00:34:32
Yeah, because I think someone asked her a question on her
00:34:36
Facebook page and asked her if anything that they used for
00:34:40
these last last couple of episodes is that stuff that she
00:34:43
has in the book. And her answer was hell no.
00:34:48
So basically she's like, no, this is their own thing.
00:34:52
This is base stuff. So we'll still get the Jamie the
00:34:56
Jamie ghost explanation, but it won't necessarily be what this
00:35:00
is. Which I from the beginning, I
00:35:03
said it wouldn't make sense for her to put her 10th book stuff
00:35:07
in the show anyway, because again, if you're a book fan, you
00:35:12
don't want it. You want to be able to read the
00:35:15
conclusion of a story, especially if you've been
00:35:18
reading these books for 30 something years since they came
00:35:21
out. You don't want the book ending
00:35:24
spoiled for you in the show. So that's why that's also why I
00:35:28
didn't have a problem with it being being different.
00:35:31
Like if she kills them in the book at the end or if you know,
00:35:35
because again, she's already healed him and and go tell the
00:35:40
bees I am gone. So whatever is going to happen
00:35:43
in the 10th book, I think if something else happens, if
00:35:47
there's another battle, which, Oh my God, I hope it's not
00:35:50
because when I say this man cannot stop fighting.
00:35:54
This is. It but if if something like that
00:35:56
does happen in the 10th book, I feel like at that point he kind
00:36:00
of has to die. Like if you think about it, we
00:36:03
always joke about the fact that Jamie has 9 lives like a cat.
00:36:07
There's in books. That means that he's practically
00:36:10
almost died in every single book.
00:36:14
So he almost has to in the 10th book I feel like, but you know,
00:36:20
I don't want him to die. But that's just, you know.
00:36:23
Maybe that's his magic that he has all these lives and these
00:36:28
these he can survive most things.
00:36:31
I mean, because he's what isn't he?
00:36:32
What does he hear? What does he see go?
00:36:34
What does he see? Is it ghosts in the books or he
00:36:38
can see what was it? He he can, he has visions of
00:36:41
like the future. No, the future, that's what it
00:36:44
is, yeah. Yeah, which is so.
00:36:46
It's just so that is so funny to me because I remember when that
00:36:49
first started and I was like, how's he getting vision of the
00:36:51
future? But I mean a story with time
00:36:54
travel. There was a black thing.
00:36:57
Wasn't like Jim on the phone or something else?
00:36:59
Right. He saw Mickey Mouse.
00:37:01
I'm like, what? OK, OK, OK, sure.
00:37:05
Now I'm like you know what it don't even matter we in time
00:37:09
travel. We we time travel, it's already
00:37:12
a a fantasy, right? Right.
00:37:14
Right now we got to talk about this battle because at first I
00:37:19
did not want the entire episode focusing on the battle, but I
00:37:22
think the way that they did it, I didn't.
00:37:24
It was. It was good.
00:37:26
They did a really good like the goodbyes, like they really, they
00:37:30
really pulled our heartstrings at the beginning of the episode
00:37:35
that first, you know, like maybe 15 minutes because you have all
00:37:39
of the goodbyes. And you also realize this is
00:37:41
like literally the cast saying goodbye to each other and to the
00:37:46
characters. And, you know, I was, I was a
00:37:49
little sad that we didn't get like a moment with everyone
00:37:53
together. But again, it's kind of like the
00:37:55
way that they handled it, I think it was great.
00:37:58
Like we got to have kind of, you know, Jamie got his happy ending
00:38:01
with Lord John and William in the last episode.
00:38:05
You know, he made his amends with Lord John.
00:38:07
He made his amends with William. He gave him the look back to
00:38:11
say, hey, you know what? I'm not I'm not abandoning you.
00:38:16
We got that moment. We got the the kind of closure
00:38:19
with him and Marsley, even though again, yes, I'm kind of
00:38:22
upset that we didn't see more of her in Ferguson this season.
00:38:26
But you know what? It was a beautiful goodbye.
00:38:29
And that's how that's one thing they do really well with the
00:38:31
characters. Even with Ian and Rachel, you
00:38:34
know, Rachel walking him up to the house and then she was like,
00:38:37
Nope, this far enough. This is this is the limit to
00:38:41
where I'm going. You go do your thing and you
00:38:43
bring your ass back home. You know, is it was just the
00:38:49
emotion was great. And then you get to the fighting
00:38:53
and I got to say I did not feel any kind of sympathy when Hiram
00:39:02
Crombie fell. I was like, see you later, Sir.
00:39:09
And fighting like a beast, Buck. Oh my gosh.
00:39:13
Buck is bringing some Dougal energy to to this fight.
00:39:18
Like I'm like, yeah, you get it from your daddy.
00:39:21
You get it, honestly. You get it from your daddy.
00:39:23
Yes, because the way he was whacking and shooting and saving
00:39:28
this person and saving that, I was like, OK, yes.
00:39:32
Bringing Buck back I think was one of the best decisions they
00:39:36
made for this final season. Having him come in, having him
00:39:41
being a part of the family, you know, just kind of really
00:39:44
getting in there with the family.
00:39:46
Like, OK, you know what, I'm 10 toes down for y'all.
00:39:48
I'm going to do whatever Buck like.
00:39:52
Best decision of the eighth season was bringing him back.
00:39:56
Yes, that that was, yes. But yeah, I 'cause I text Hunko
00:40:03
about Ian. I was like, he was all in and
00:40:08
then Buck was right beside him. Yeah, but again, that's the way
00:40:13
him and Fergus used to fight. But you know.
00:40:15
Right. And then there was Claire.
00:40:19
Girl let me tell you it ain't bad enough.
00:40:24
You already have PDPTSD that we've seen in in season 1 from
00:40:30
you being in wars. Now you going to go traipsing
00:40:33
through the forest in the middle of an active battle to go find
00:40:43
your husband? You lose your medical bag and
00:40:48
the only thing you can say is shit it was.
00:40:49
Right there, Claire, just pick it up.
00:40:52
But see, when you had so many bullets and stuff, I text Hongo.
00:40:57
I said, you know, God knows I love Anthony, but I am not
00:41:02
tracing through a battle. OK, up ahead.
00:41:05
For him I will wait till the battle ends and then go seek
00:41:08
forth. Because how many times did she
00:41:11
almost get her head blown? Out several times.
00:41:14
Come on. I said, you know what, it's not
00:41:17
He will go die. She is.
00:41:20
Like he told you and Roger Mack, the priest or the preacher and
00:41:25
the healer, stay behind and here she come running up the hill.
00:41:31
I was like. And she almost got him messed up
00:41:35
because she distracted him the first time he almost died.
00:41:40
Yep, like Claire, I understand you.
00:41:44
You're worried about him, but I need you to make some better
00:41:47
decisions, girl. That's probably the reason why
00:41:50
you don't really need to know your fate, because they were
00:41:53
doing so much to try to stop it that they all they made it worse
00:41:56
really. Yeah, And you make stupid
00:41:58
decisions. Yeah.
00:42:00
You know, because her whole thing, she's sitting there.
00:42:03
I'm. I'm sitting here looking at this
00:42:05
scene now where she's rolling up the band aids and she starts
00:42:07
packing a bag and Roger's looking at her like, Claire, she
00:42:10
was like, don't you fucking try to stop me.
00:42:12
I was like. Oh.
00:42:13
Here we go. Here we go.
00:42:17
Like. You not made a bulletproof, you
00:42:21
know. She's not.
00:42:23
You know, been shot before. Ma'am Right, right.
00:42:27
And I don't know if that blue light will will work on you
00:42:30
right I. Don't know if you.
00:42:32
Can do that. I don't know if you can self
00:42:34
heal, but I mean in the end I guess, I guess it worked out.
00:42:42
And. Then they get shot and and got
00:42:45
shot in the heart too. That's the thing.
00:42:48
Or or close enough to it, but I was.
00:42:51
Just like that was perfect. I, I I.
00:42:55
Felt some kind of way about that gunshot.
00:42:57
I was like, oh y'all gave us a Matthew Crawley in Downton Abbey
00:43:01
type death. Like we want y'all to know this
00:43:03
dude is dead. That's how I felt like that hurt
00:43:09
me to my heart. I was like oh wait it wasn't
00:43:12
even A to the show. No y'all made sure that we knew.
00:43:18
OK no this dude is dead. How was she going?
00:43:20
To have to bring him back from the dead, it ain't going to be
00:43:22
no oh, I can fix this. I can sew you back up right.
00:43:26
And she had to use her power. She had to.
00:43:29
She had to. And it was close range.
00:43:34
Yeah, but I mean, also, like I said it, it would have been OK
00:43:39
if if they had died there together because I don't think
00:43:43
she of course, I don't think Claire really like we pay
00:43:48
attention to the whole thing that like out of the way he told
00:43:51
her long time ago because we're looking for those signs.
00:43:56
I think Claire has probably like forgotten about that for so long
00:44:00
up until she saved the baby. But again, that baby was only a
00:44:05
few minutes dead, so she probably is like, I can't heal
00:44:09
this man overnight. Like, I'm sitting here, I'm
00:44:12
holding him. I'm.
00:44:13
And I think she was even thinking about it too.
00:44:16
Yeah. So she's like, OK, you know
00:44:18
what? I just OK, I guess I'm just
00:44:22
going to lay down here and die with him.
00:44:24
I didn't said all my goodbyes to my to my folks.
00:44:27
Fanny's going to be taken care of.
00:44:29
Which I felt really bad for that baby because she was like you
00:44:32
promised. Y'all told me y'all wasn't going
00:44:35
to leave me and I wasn't going to be alone and here y'all go
00:44:39
leaving again and I feel so bad for her.
00:44:43
But I mean. She was a blot device.
00:44:52
They do take her in, they do take care of her, but she is not
00:44:56
related to them and they don't make any any suggestions that
00:45:00
she is because in the books fan, you know, Faith did not live.
00:45:03
But OK, however that goes it, it, it I guess it's working out.
00:45:11
You know, they wake up on the thing.
00:45:13
I know Brianna's going to look at her Mama like we need to go,
00:45:17
we need to go make you some some hair dye something because what
00:45:20
is this look? What is this all white look?
00:45:23
But. Yeah, yeah, like that.
00:45:26
So witchy. I was like, I guess it's good we
00:45:29
don't know exactly what's happening because I know they're
00:45:31
trying to hang her right by now. Girl, who you?
00:45:35
Telling. Or no, ain't nobody messing with
00:45:37
her, you know. After that.
00:45:39
That too, Yeah, yeah, 'cause if I can bring somebody back from
00:45:43
the dead, I wish you would come try to try to bomb my house or
00:45:47
try to set fire to my house or try to do come, come try your
00:45:52
luck. I'll just say it.
00:45:57
Do we know if Cleveland died or not?
00:45:59
Because I don't recall seeing him at the end.
00:46:01
And I was like, I really hope he died.
00:46:04
They could they show? I can't remember if he was.
00:46:11
Went like when Jamie dropped and everybody was kind of surprised
00:46:14
and everybody OK, they got me with the getting on their knees
00:46:18
to pay to pay tribute. I was like, y'all, I, I can't, I
00:46:22
can't, I can't do this, I can't do this.
00:46:25
Like y'all cannot kill this man. Even though I was OK with it, I
00:46:29
was still like, but I don't recall seeing Cleveland.
00:46:35
Yeah, I don't either. To be fair, they did kind of
00:46:39
focus on Buck, they focus on Ian and.
00:46:45
Yeah, they did. I don't.
00:46:47
Because everybody came in and got a shot and a stab.
00:46:51
Oh yeah, I was like. All right.
00:46:53
Yeah, one of the twins. But look, one of the twins, I
00:46:56
think that was Josiah. He just saved Jamie by throwing
00:47:03
an axe at someone. Yeah.
00:47:06
And like, like I said, Hiram Crombie, he's really the only
00:47:10
one that I'd like really recognize from that group that,
00:47:15
you know, kind of went across the line with Cunningham and
00:47:18
stuff. But I was just like, OK, yeah,
00:47:20
you know what you need? If if they're showing you so
00:47:23
much, they keep showing us you, you, you're going to die.
00:47:25
You're going to die. You're not going to die is
00:47:27
you're going to get your come up is and it's going to be great.
00:47:30
And yeah, but what else? I'm I am glad that we did get
00:47:38
one last love scene with Jamie and Claire.
00:47:42
It's very sweet. Oh, and we have a couple of new
00:47:47
listeners that have been following us from like threads
00:47:52
and YouTube and and Tumblr. I think I restarted my Tumblr
00:47:56
account like 2 weeks. We got a couple.
00:47:58
So hello to the new people. I got an e-mail from one of
00:48:02
them, Courtney, last week, and she was saying that because I
00:48:07
was saying I couldn't remember, I thought Claire and Jamie were
00:48:11
kind of like in their 70s or near their 70s.
00:48:14
And she reminded me that this battle was taking place in 1780.
00:48:18
I was, for some reason thinking 1790.
00:48:21
So in this particular episode, Claire is 64 and Jamie is 59.
00:48:28
OK. Yeah.
00:48:30
So still still young, very young to be dying.
00:48:35
And yeah. So I love the fact that we did
00:48:40
get one last one last scene with them.
00:48:43
But also, I think, I think we discussed this a few weeks ago,
00:48:48
but I was also, I couldn't, I couldn't just look at the scene
00:48:52
because I almost felt like. Fast forwarded.
00:48:55
I I felt like I was looking, looking at my parents.
00:48:57
At this point, I'm like, no, I've been, I've literally
00:49:01
watched them from being babies to being old people.
00:49:04
It felt, it felt disrespectful. I was like, I was like, I can't
00:49:09
do it. But it was a beautiful scene.
00:49:11
But I was just like, no. I was just like, you know, OK, I
00:49:15
know this is like the last who were I got up in the tent.
00:49:20
Yeah, and I'm like the other men didn't bring their wives.
00:49:25
A girlfriend chasing Jamie at every battle.
00:49:28
Or side pieces. Jamie is like, look, if I'm
00:49:30
going to die, I'm going to at least get me some good loving to
00:49:34
to take that feeling on into the afterlife, I guess.
00:49:37
Yeah, me too. That's distracting.
00:49:40
Stop idiots so you can fight you using up all your energy dude.
00:49:44
Because and then first of all, in the tents, you loud.
00:49:48
So we we know what's going on. They wouldn't.
00:49:52
They wouldn't. Oh, Speaking of the devil or
00:49:56
Fast forward again. It's crazy how I used to be so
00:49:59
into this and now I'm like. It just, it feels, it feels very
00:50:04
voyeuristic now. Yeah.
00:50:06
So I Fast forward. You know I also.
00:50:08
Think after the thing, after how he took, how he treated her,
00:50:13
after Lord John also still leaves a bad taste in my mouth
00:50:17
when he basically was like you a whore and you like sex, so you
00:50:20
probably really loved it. And it just that kind of
00:50:23
bothered me that he did that. And so I think that's another
00:50:25
reason why I just don't even care to see them together.
00:50:27
OK. Yeah, that's that's still I was
00:50:32
like, no, you ain't slut shame of her, but you like it nasty.
00:50:41
Yeah, I mean, it's been 2 years, Jamie, you need to get over a
00:50:44
lot of stuff, but OK. But yeah, I'm, I'm sitting here
00:50:49
looking at you drop dude off. Nobody's checking him for
00:50:55
weapons. Nope, it just it.
00:50:59
It doesn't. And why he ain't tie up period?
00:51:03
If you ain't going to kill him, why is he just loose?
00:51:06
Right feet and hands, your hands are loose enough to get and and
00:51:12
the other thing is at least Jamie and Buck because again, I
00:51:20
can't remember if Cleveland was there.
00:51:22
Y'all have military backgrounds right?
00:51:27
While you're sitting here talking shit to this man on the
00:51:31
ground and you see him doing all this fumbling.
00:51:34
Why didn't nobody say hold up stop him?
00:51:37
Wouldn't what is he doing with this?
00:51:38
He have where y'all just so. And I get it.
00:51:42
Jamie probably was just so happy about the fact that he didn't
00:51:45
die in battle. And if you think about it,
00:51:49
Frank's book didn't say he died in battle.
00:51:53
It said he died on Kings Mountain in this thing, you know
00:51:58
what I'm saying? So it's like you shouldn't have,
00:52:01
you shouldn't have relaxed until no ass off the mountain.
00:52:06
Yeah, till you were back home. Right.
00:52:10
You should not have relaxed, but they were definitely
00:52:13
celebrating. And but yeah, it doesn't look
00:52:17
like Cleveland's around. Yeah.
00:52:20
And then also even even with Ferguson and with Ferguson's
00:52:24
other men. Yeah, I was sitting there.
00:52:28
Y'all, y'all are like standing around.
00:52:31
But nobody has guns trained on him like Jamie.
00:52:35
Yeah, he went over there with the sword, but you can't take a
00:52:38
knife to a gunfight. Yeah, nobody's sitting there
00:52:42
guarding any of these people. They just standing around
00:52:47
shooting their guns, celebrating.
00:52:48
And what? They are none of them looking.
00:52:54
Yeah. Who?
00:52:55
Are they looking at while Jamie was talking?
00:52:57
Yeah. Nobody was looking.
00:53:00
None of none of them are are tied up.
00:53:05
And also I realized this is slow MO that, you know, Jamie's
00:53:08
falling on the ground. Y'all should have been rushing
00:53:10
to him the moment the moment you heard the gunshot.
00:53:14
Yeah, somebody should have been over there.
00:53:15
The fact that Ian was still standing there, like, that's the
00:53:20
I think that's the part that bothers me because, you know,
00:53:25
yeah, now all y'all want to come and y'all want to shoot this guy
00:53:28
567 times and then blood in him to death.
00:53:32
But the damage has already been done and Jason has been on the
00:53:36
ground. Nobody has nobody has come to
00:53:39
his aid while he's on the ground.
00:53:42
Like y'all just sitting there, Ian is just sitting there
00:53:46
standing like dude, you've actually seen this man get shot
00:53:50
before and and been there and like why are y'all just standing
00:53:55
there? I think that's probably what
00:53:59
really made me upset as far as as far as his death scene
00:54:05
because nobody else was really trying to help him except for
00:54:09
Claire I. Just feel like I guess in some
00:54:12
ways it just, I feel like a lot of it was shock and then anger
00:54:15
and all these different things. But like, it does, it did seem
00:54:19
weird to me that even once they did murder him, they just stood
00:54:23
there and she had to like come across empty space because like,
00:54:27
nobody was there. Yeah, it's like, and and again,
00:54:32
I I get it, the shock and stuff, but this ain't the first time
00:54:34
that y'all been in a situation like this, especially for Ian
00:54:38
and would have ran his ass over there.
00:54:40
You know who would have ran over there?
00:54:41
Fergus? I'm just saying.
00:54:46
Oh Lord. Fergus would have been the first
00:54:50
one over there. Yeah, this, this is like, that's
00:54:58
why you can't, man. He learn from Oberyn and Game of
00:55:01
Thrones. You cannot be monologuing, you
00:55:06
got. No, that was a.
00:55:10
That was a rookie mistake, Jamie Rookie.
00:55:12
Mistake. Yeah, that that really was a oh,
00:55:15
I didn't die in this battle. I'm I'm I'm ecstatic.
00:55:19
And this is that that is counting your chickens before
00:55:22
they hatch. You know, that is that is
00:55:26
celebrating before you cross the finish line.
00:55:29
You know it. Yeah.
00:55:31
Just it it didn't make sense. None of that made sense to me
00:55:37
that y'all, y'all let this man have a gun, Y'all weren't really
00:55:43
guarding them properly. And then when he gets shot,
00:55:47
y'all just standing there looking at disbelief like, Oh my
00:55:50
God, he got shot. Yeah.
00:55:53
I didn't know how serious it was young.
00:55:56
Somebody could have been over there putting some pressure on
00:55:59
waiting. You know, somebody could have
00:56:01
been like, go get Claire, get Claire, right.
00:56:03
Yeah. I mean, she was literally just
00:56:05
right there. So I think that's the those are,
00:56:10
like I said, I only had minor gripes with the episode, but the
00:56:13
rest of it, I think they did a really beautiful job with ending
00:56:17
the series. They did.
00:56:20
You know, they it it just whenever you're ending something
00:56:26
this epic and also when you have a built in fan base because of
00:56:30
the books, you're not going to please everybody, right?
00:56:35
But I think they really did take time and care with the story and
00:56:39
with the with the characters, except for Fergus.
00:56:44
And you know, I, I think they brought it to a really good
00:56:48
conclusion. Then, you know, like we said at
00:56:50
the end, Claire is just like Claire does not, I don't even
00:56:54
know if this is her not believing that he's dead or
00:56:57
she's just in denial when she's like, no, he just needs to rest.
00:57:00
He just needs to rest. I mean, literally when you come
00:57:03
walking back with Jamie and they're like, what the hell
00:57:06
happened? She said I told y'all he just
00:57:07
needed to rest. Needed to rest.
00:57:10
He was bad. Yeah.
00:57:12
She she was devastated for it. For all the shows that we have
00:57:18
watched the endings to like this is in the top.
00:57:22
To be a completely honest, I feel like it should be
00:57:26
satisfying to both regular show watchers and book readers.
00:57:32
Well, especially for book readers, because it didn't.
00:57:34
It doesn't end, so it leaves it again open in the books to to
00:57:40
carry on. And then we as the TV watchers
00:57:43
are going to have to read the book, or at least after this
00:57:46
part to find out what happens to them.
00:57:49
Yep. Time to get on that read.
00:57:51
OK, it could be I read the next book.
00:57:54
Look, see, I'm good for skipping them.
00:57:55
Read the next book to come out, 'cause then I can move forward.
00:57:59
But they really did 'cause I, I'm like sitting here thinking
00:58:02
all the shows that I absolutely loved in the last show.
00:58:09
My gosh, I don't even know what happened.
00:58:12
I can tell you the worst and this is closer to the best.
00:58:16
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And then we get the cute little
00:58:20
we get the cute little post credits scene.
00:58:24
Which which I said. Yeah.
00:58:28
And and that's another thing that some people are confused
00:58:31
about because they're like, I didn't understand the post
00:58:34
credit scene. So basically what it is, is just
00:58:37
like going to a Diana Gabaldin book signing with the Outlander.
00:58:42
And that was actually the original, well, not the original
00:58:46
original, but that was the first Outlander cover that they did.
00:58:51
And I actually have a copy. Of one.
00:58:54
Because I definitely said what if they do a little cute little
00:58:57
thing I have? A copy of it found this in a
00:59:00
thrift store. So it's cute because you have
00:59:05
Diana sitting there signing books.
00:59:08
She's talking to somebody. And the cute thing about that
00:59:12
scene is the people who were standing in line were all crew
00:59:16
members from the show and the books on the shelf.
00:59:22
Those particular crew members, they came up with the their own
00:59:26
book titles based on the type of job that they did on the show.
00:59:30
So I thought that was really cute.
00:59:32
But what people didn't understand was when the person
00:59:34
was asking Diana about the, the, the little journal over on the
00:59:39
side and she was like, oh, it's just a little inspiration.
00:59:42
Somebody was like, I don't understand what that means.
00:59:44
I'm like, y'all skipped over that part where he was taking
00:59:48
her journal in the last episode and she said she was writing
00:59:52
their stories. So the way I took it is like,
00:59:56
you know, Diana Gabaldon, the author, found this journal and
01:00:01
she used. That desperation for Claire's
01:00:04
story, yes. Yeah, so Claire, Claire and
01:00:07
Jamie's story got told. And yes, we're we're assuming
01:00:13
that they're living happily ever after on the Ridge because
01:00:16
probably after this point, Claire was like, you can't fight
01:00:20
and nothing else. But then when they really,
01:00:22
really die again, I need to be in another notebook again.
01:00:26
What I mean, when they die of old age, they're going to be in
01:00:30
their rocking chair holding hands.
01:00:33
Yeah, it's time, Yeah. When they older, older, yes, in
01:00:38
the 90s at the rocking chair and all the kids and grandkids are
01:00:42
playing in the yard. Yeah, 'cause.
01:00:44
The next war is like the word 1812.
01:00:46
Probably so like, I need jobs tonight.
01:00:50
Yeah, Jamie is in retirement at that point, you don't need to do
01:00:54
nothing else. He will be what, in 1812?
01:00:57
He'll be, what, 5969, almost 80 years old.
01:01:02
He he don't need to be doing that.
01:01:05
He don't need to be fighting at 59.
01:01:07
But this is Jamie. I mean, he's still a he's still
01:01:10
a man in very good shape. He's still very Yeah, so.
01:01:15
But good lucky, Yeah, I, I actually, I, I really enjoyed
01:01:22
the way that they ended this very much.
01:01:25
So. I think it was very beautiful.
01:01:27
I love the the throwback, seeing Jamie in the square as a ghost,
01:01:33
seeing Frank come up to him. I I just enjoyed it.
01:01:38
And I will say this too, I didn't cry as much as I thought
01:01:41
I would watching this episode because I don't know, it's like
01:01:45
most of what happened in this episode because it happened in
01:01:48
bees already. I knew what was going to happen.
01:01:51
I knew he wasn't going to die, die.
01:01:54
So I think I was just able to watch it and just enjoy it and
01:01:59
and appreciate it without being overly devastated about it.
01:02:07
Because we do still have the books.
01:02:09
If we still want to continue the story.
01:02:11
We do still have Blood of My Blood, which no, it's not Jamie
01:02:15
and Claire's story, but it's the it's the prequel to their story.
01:02:18
So we do still get some Outlander stuff.
01:02:21
And this, now that the story is over, now that the show is over,
01:02:27
I can go back and reread the books and not try to keep track
01:02:32
of what happened here, what happened there, Because that was
01:02:36
kind of hard for me to do, especially with the last two
01:02:39
books because they did take some things and kind of twisted
01:02:43
around a little bit. I was like, OK, I might not be
01:02:45
getting my facts right. So yes, I am looking forward to
01:02:49
going back and doing a full reread and just kind of enjoying
01:02:53
the story. And hopefully we'll get some
01:02:55
more Book 10 news at some point. And what is her goal?
01:02:59
To have that done. I don't know.
01:03:01
I think right now her it's, it's at.
01:03:03
I think she may still be writing it.
01:03:07
But I mean, we do have a title. We have gotten some snippets.
01:03:12
What's the title? What's the title?
01:03:16
A blessing for a warrior going out.
01:03:22
Yeah, Yeah. Well, lesson for a warrior going
01:03:27
out. I was like, so you're basically
01:03:30
telling us that he's going to die?
01:03:34
In things which you know. Is this the last book?
01:03:39
Yes, Yeah, yeah. This is book 10, supposedly.
01:03:46
Now she's always said book 10. I think I saw one interview
01:03:49
somewhere where she said it may be, it may not be the last book,
01:03:53
but I think it, I mean, I think it's the last.
01:03:55
It's the last book. I would assume she doesn't want
01:03:59
to spend like the rest of her life just writing these books,
01:04:04
especially since they take so long to write and, you know.
01:04:08
Yeah. With history, she has to like
01:04:11
incorporate and which is always been very fascinating about her
01:04:15
writing is the the history she has definitely had to like
01:04:20
really learn some stuff. Yeah.
01:04:23
Yeah, so but. I love these old seeds.
01:04:27
I know I'm looking at them now too.
01:04:29
I'm just like, they were such babies.
01:04:31
Babies. And I went to her.
01:04:34
I'm on her website trying to see you to.
01:04:37
Take your hands off my wife. I was.
01:04:40
Yes, get to that seat. Sorry, I don't know when I will
01:04:43
finish book 10, much less when it will be published.
01:04:48
I am limiting travel in 2026 to work on it.
01:04:52
Yeah, it takes a while to write a 800 page novel.
01:04:56
No one told you to do that. Cut it down to four.
01:04:59
Give me the book at one Part 2 if.
01:05:02
You if you've read the books. I know, I'm just joking with
01:05:07
her, she can break it down a little bit.
01:05:08
I also do all the historical and other background research that
01:05:11
is required. Yeah.
01:05:15
If you are if you are curious about my writing process, please
01:05:18
see these links below. Oh yeah, she like her
01:05:22
manuscripts when she turns them into her publisher.
01:05:25
Her manuscripts are like this. Like literally you have to.
01:05:30
Pare it down and edit. And which that's a job I would
01:05:35
not want because Anne Rice used to be real particular about not
01:05:39
letting people really edit her work.
01:05:40
And I'm like my sister, my sister.
01:05:42
I need you to stop mentioning them Booga Villas.
01:05:44
Nobody cared about the flowers. You talk about them every page.
01:05:47
Somebody should have edited this.
01:05:51
Don't. Have to be there about to wake
01:05:54
up. I know, look how white her hair
01:05:57
is. So crazy.
01:06:02
It was perfect timing. Yeah, 'cause I mean, it's, it's
01:06:06
almost like somebody was there and they were like, OK, open
01:06:11
your eyes and they open the eyes and they both, yeah, it was, I'm
01:06:17
so glad. I mean, it was, it was great,
01:06:21
but it's over now. I can't believe it though.
01:06:25
I can't believe it. I remember, 'cause I, I just
01:06:27
remember I 'cause like you, Michelle, it was Hanukkah
01:06:31
pulling us in, pulling us all in.
01:06:34
It wasn't that you love the finale, I don't think.
01:06:36
I think I was probably a little before that, but it was
01:06:40
definitely 'cause Season 2. So Mars was season 2.
01:06:44
It was about the finale right before it because they did a
01:06:50
they did a marathon of all of season 1 and all of season 2
01:06:54
leading up to the season 2 finale.
01:06:57
So I literally got done with season 2 just in time to start a
01:07:02
live watch of the season 2 finale.
01:07:05
OK, so maybe it was the season 2.
01:07:08
I just know it was you it. Was your fault?
01:07:09
Yeah, Yeah, it was. I wanted to watch.
01:07:11
It and then I didn't have stars and I'm like, I'm not paying for
01:07:13
stars. But then it was like, OK, maybe
01:07:16
I should pay for stuff. Yeah, and I was having to watch
01:07:20
it on I. Was cleaning up and I saw I said
01:07:23
oh they got a marathon going on OK and and it's about to start.
01:07:26
I was like, OK, I guess I can watch a couple of episodes while
01:07:30
I'm cleaning up and, and 8-9 hours later cleaning up is not
01:07:38
even thought of. I, I finally went to sleep like
01:07:41
4 O clock in the morning. I got up the next morning about
01:07:44
9 immediately started watching finished out season 1 eight
01:07:49
watch season 2. And it's so funny because my
01:07:52
younger daughter at the time, she wasn't watching it with me,
01:07:56
but she was coming downstairs, you know, to, to come get food
01:08:00
or to come whatever, whatever. So she would see an episode and
01:08:04
she would just kind of stand there and look for a few minutes
01:08:06
and then she'd go. And then I think she came
01:08:12
downstairs during the pressing pans battle and then during
01:08:16
something else. And then when they started the
01:08:19
colliding episode, she literally she came downstairs, she sat
01:08:22
down with me. And then she watched the finale,
01:08:26
the Season 2 finale with me. And then after it was over, she
01:08:29
looked at me. She said, you know you, you
01:08:31
know, we got to start from the beginning, right?
01:08:32
Yep. Let's go ahead.
01:08:34
So that was that was the beginning of my addiction.
01:08:38
But yeah, it's it's been a really fun ride.
01:08:42
I definitely, definitely agree. I got really like the thing that
01:08:47
kind of got me because at first I was like, Oh my God, these
01:08:50
freaking Scottish men, what are they doing?
01:08:53
It's so being. But the thing that got me was
01:08:56
like Frank's ancestor looking just like Frank but being like
01:09:00
this totally different person. And I was like, oh, oh, this is
01:09:03
interesting. Like what's happening here.
01:09:05
And then, yeah, it just from there, I was just like, OK,
01:09:09
because I was so bad about how they were treating her when they
01:09:11
first caught up to her. And I was just like, yeah, but
01:09:14
you know what? I'm gonna say this about I'm
01:09:17
gonna say this about Episode 1, Claire, when you find yourself
01:09:21
in a strange place found strange minutes see through shift and
01:09:27
and they're trying and and and you kind of peep that something
01:09:31
ain't right. I'm a need you to stop running
01:09:33
off at the mouth. I'm a need to speak.
01:09:35
Just. Pay attention to what's going
01:09:38
on. You lucky, you ready to the
01:09:40
right one. You get what I'm saying?
01:09:43
Just hide like don't yeah, go running off trying to find folks
01:09:47
just. Hire cause guess what?
01:09:48
Your Mama didn't run into the right one.
01:09:52
But I mean, she didn't either. I mean, think about it.
01:09:54
She ran into Blackjack first and just yeah.
01:09:57
Right, it was. The But then the second group,
01:09:59
she got lucky. Yeah, her Mama was kidnapping.
01:10:02
Sold. Yeah.
01:10:04
Yeah. That was wow.
01:10:06
I mean, she was just kidnapped and and taken to the, you know,
01:10:10
taking to they said I am married and they.
01:10:14
Were like, we don't. Care.
01:10:17
We owe this man money. But it it's, it's been a, it's
01:10:21
been a great ride. I am going to miss the show.
01:10:24
I guess at some point I will probably do a rewatch from the
01:10:27
beginning. But we still like, like I said,
01:10:30
we still have the books, we still have conventions.
01:10:34
I got confirmation this morning that I will be moderating the
01:10:39
Outlander and blood of my blood panels at Dragon Con this year.
01:10:43
So that's fun. And then also my big
01:10:45
announcement, which I have been holding on to for like 2 months
01:10:49
now. So the Outlander convention that
01:10:51
I have been mentioning for the last few months, lancon that's
01:10:56
taking place in October in Texas, I have actually been
01:11:00
invited to be one of the featured guest moderators for
01:11:03
that convention. So I will be still immersing
01:11:06
myself in Outlander goodness. I am excited about that
01:11:11
opportunity and I'm looking forward to it.
01:11:14
I was already going to the convention as a fan anyway, so
01:11:18
now being able to take part of it, I'm so excited.
01:11:23
I'm so excited. But I will in the show notes, I
01:11:26
will post some links for that particular convention so you can
01:11:31
just see who we have coming. We have a great.
01:11:34
Guest. David Berry, Lord John Gray,
01:11:39
we've got, we've got William coming.
01:11:42
We've got galas, we've got. They just announced Tony Curran,
01:11:46
who is Lord Lovett from Blood of my blood.
01:11:49
They just announced him a few days ago.
01:11:52
We've got Buck coming for a day. It's it's going to be a great
01:11:58
convention. I'm looking forward to it.
01:12:01
But yes, it'll it'll get me through permanent drought
01:12:05
Lander, I guess. I know, I know.
01:12:10
Like we don't have any more countdowns for drought Lander.
01:12:14
We don't have any I'm. So coming.
01:12:19
Next, but now I need to go and watch all of these millions of
01:12:23
interviews that they've been doing because they did do
01:12:26
something at the Paley Center last week.
01:12:29
I haven't had a chance to watch that.
01:12:32
If you watch Josh Horwitz's stuff and saw where a few years
01:12:38
ago he did like a couples therapy skit with Sam and
01:12:43
Katrina, they just did a follow up for that.
01:12:46
So I need to go watch that. So there's still plenty of
01:12:49
Outlander stuff out there, but the show is over.
01:12:54
I'm sad. Yeah.
01:12:58
I'm glad that for the most part everybody got their happy ending
01:13:01
except for I mean, we even got to see Marsley with her spinning
01:13:05
wheel looking happy. I was like, OK, I I feel happy.
01:13:10
But yeah, I think Fergus got the shaft on this one.
01:13:14
I I'm gonna forever be mad about that so y'all don't have to do
01:13:19
my boy like that but. The riders on site I see you on,
01:13:25
it's gonna be on site for taking my Fergus.
01:13:29
Right, but do you guys have any final thoughts about the final
01:13:37
episode of Outlander? That's going to hurt every time
01:13:41
I say, 'cause I'm. Just like, yeah, that's, that's
01:13:44
like you just think, Oh, well, it'll just be, you know, next
01:13:48
next year or a year and a half, but.
01:13:50
This was it. It's yeah.
01:13:54
And it's so long to be be on a show for so long.
01:13:57
It's is, you know, back in the day, they used to do soap operas
01:14:00
and shows where they would just be contracting.
01:14:01
They would just be on the show for all they like.
01:14:03
You know, Erica, Erica Kane. It's, you know.
01:14:07
Victor Newman, but like. They don't do this.
01:14:10
Like there's not shows that just do this a lot.
01:14:12
Yeah, not at, not at prime time TV, not.
01:14:15
Like that, I mean, it's just. It's very rare they they hit 101
01:14:19
episodes. Yeah.
01:14:21
So that's. Which is great.
01:14:24
Yeah, I think some stars would like that, but they don't make
01:14:26
it. That's the thing, the show get
01:14:28
cancelled. Through the pandemic, right?
01:14:30
Yeah, a lot of shows didn't. Right, that's The thing is like
01:14:34
they the I won't say like movie stars be wanting these type of
01:14:38
jobs, but the show don't last. Yeah.
01:14:42
And just snaps for their attention to detail and just
01:14:45
even if they didn't go exactly like the books or have some of
01:14:48
the storylines annoyed us, I overall like this is one of the
01:14:52
best shows they've like this is. They did they.
01:14:55
Did a great job with the show like.
01:14:58
And people staying on the show too, because you know how you'll
01:15:01
get with actors. But I don't want to play it
01:15:03
anymore and we got to get used. To.
01:15:06
Yeah. Who do we lose?
01:15:08
Just basically Jenny changed. Obviously Fergus had to change
01:15:13
'cause he grew up, but for the most part it was just the same
01:15:18
folks, you know? Yeah, for the most part.
01:15:21
So. So now we got to wait until
01:15:27
August for blood of my blood So. Which is not not long.
01:15:32
I'm you know what? I ain't mad at it.
01:15:33
It's not long. I know.
01:15:35
But you know, also Outlander has been taking up a lot of our
01:15:39
podcast face over the last year. So, you know, we we do talk
01:15:44
about other shows. I think we're going to get
01:15:46
around to talking to some of the about some of these.
01:15:48
Other shows but to get me to get me to continue reading this book
01:15:52
we may have to podcast by the book listen you.
01:15:55
Can say nothing but a word. You ain't said nothing but a
01:15:58
word. Because we got we have the
01:16:00
regular books, we have the Lord John books, we have the
01:16:03
novellas. Good.
01:16:04
Look. No, let me say that.
01:16:06
Let me finish my Shadowhunter read first.
01:16:09
OK? All of the Shadowhunter books.
01:16:11
I'm actually. Almost done with.
01:16:13
Those I think I have. I have one more book and two
01:16:18
more novellas to read and then I'm done with that.
01:16:20
So anytime after that girl, I'm gay, let's do this.
01:16:24
We can do this would be great. So and you we even put the book
01:16:29
in half. You mean like, OK, we got the
01:16:31
half. The book and then the other
01:16:33
half. Yeah, let's break this book up.
01:16:36
Yeah. I I've.
01:16:38
Seen shows where they. Look up over here, like grab the
01:16:40
book. How many pages?
01:16:42
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot, but
01:16:44
yeah, we'll. Figure that out.
01:16:46
But yeah, we can, we can keep some Outlander content going
01:16:50
and, you know, we can always do a rewatch 'cause, I mean, we
01:16:53
didn't even start covering the show on this podcast until
01:16:57
season 6. So, you know, man, it's been
01:17:01
that long. I mean, what is?
01:17:03
Yeah. Or was it Season 5 let.
01:17:06
Me. See, man, I don't know.
01:17:07
I think it was season. It was season 5 or season 6.
01:17:11
OK, We started. Yeah.
01:17:13
Was it the season before Malva? Yes.
01:17:18
Yeah, so that's 'cause I thought I was.
01:17:20
Gonna have a heart. Attack with her.
01:17:23
And her daddy let me tell you them episodes with child talking
01:17:26
about Malva child. They used to have me in my car
01:17:30
yelling at the girl. Oh my God.
01:17:34
And it's worse. Than a book.
01:17:37
So yeah, I was like, if I could come through that screen.
01:17:42
First of all, I just want her daddy just get on the horse and
01:17:44
die. And then after I was like, well
01:17:47
shit, your daughter ain't much better.
01:17:49
Gosh, we could listen. We could have had a drinking
01:17:52
game with. Michelle talking about Tom
01:17:53
Christie needing to get on a horse and die and die.
01:17:57
That used to have me laughing. So hard.
01:18:01
Oh God. So yeah, maybe we'll do some.
01:18:04
Revisits and we will do some book discussions, but I guess we
01:18:10
got to figure out something. Else to.
01:18:12
Talk about to have you ladies on because I think I'm about to
01:18:15
start pulling the guys. I know people are like, OK, are
01:18:17
the guys even still on the show? Yes, they are.
01:18:21
Everybody's just everybody's schedules have been kind of
01:18:24
crazy. I think we are going to go ahead
01:18:28
and finish covering the Boys season, Season 5, because we
01:18:32
kind of stopped midway through season 4 because it just got to
01:18:37
be a lot and we just never picked it back up.
01:18:39
But we do have a final season of The Boys and I really would like
01:18:44
to finish covering that one because that was the first show
01:18:48
that we actually started covering when when the podcast
01:18:50
started. Our first episode was The Boys
01:18:54
season 2 episode 1. So I kind of want to finish that
01:18:57
out. And then Michelle, Casey and I
01:19:00
are about to get back in our Walking Dead thing.
01:19:03
We've got Walking Dead Dead City coming up in July, the third
01:19:08
season. We still need to talk about
01:19:10
Daryl Dixon season 3. So we got some other stuff we
01:19:13
need to we need to talk about and we'll get Dina on, which I
01:19:16
have not watched. I know I I haven't even.
01:19:20
Because I watch it for us to record, so I'm like, I don't
01:19:22
even know. What's going?
01:19:23
I don't know. That's OK, We'll we'll get it
01:19:25
done. But luckily I haven't seen any
01:19:28
spoilers. But I saw a spoiler for this,
01:19:30
but not really a spoiler. I just.
01:19:32
Saw them laying on the rock and I said oh Lord, somebody's dead.
01:19:35
And then I swipe real quick. Oh yeah, because people that
01:19:40
that's the reason why I. Stayed up Friday night and I
01:19:44
watched it because I said I know the moment I get online on
01:19:48
Saturday, I mean on Friday morning, it's going to be over.
01:19:51
And literally this episode, the episode before it and the
01:19:56
episode where Fergus died, I found out through Google, the
01:20:01
Google homepage, because I'm at work looking up something else.
01:20:05
And it was one of the like trending stories or tops top
01:20:11
stories. And I was like, really like, it
01:20:14
ain't even been out eight hours y'all, Y'all can't give people
01:20:17
time to to watch it. But that's the I think at this
01:20:20
point that's becoming a an argument that's just not going
01:20:24
to get one because people. Have to, you know, they feel
01:20:29
like they have to be the first to talk about it.
01:20:31
They have to be the first to post their reactions in the post
01:20:34
spoilers and stuff. But it's another reason why I
01:20:38
stay off most social media when I'm ready to watch something or
01:20:42
when I haven't had a chance to watch something or I just go on
01:20:45
threads because threads has this wonderful little feature where
01:20:49
you can actually Gray out your spoilers in your post.
01:20:54
And if anybody wants to see what that what it is, they just click
01:20:57
on it and it reveals itself. So yeah, that's why I like
01:21:01
threads so much. But anyway, that's getting off
01:21:05
topic. So OK, no more Outlander
01:21:08
episodes. We'll probably try to do, like I
01:21:12
said, we'll probably try to do some book discussions once we
01:21:15
can all kind of sit down and settle and and read some books.
01:21:19
I will probably try to do that this summer before Dragon Con
01:21:23
and LAN Con. And again, I will post the
01:21:25
information for LAN Con on the show notes.
01:21:30
But before we close off, I do want to say thank you to stars.
01:21:36
Thank you to the actors, thank you to the showrunners, thank
01:21:39
you to the cast crew. Ben Mccrary for the wonderful
01:21:43
soundtrack for all eight seasons.
01:21:46
Just the whole experience of Outlander has been wonderful.
01:21:51
It's been one of the best TV watching experiences that I've
01:21:55
had from start to finish. And I just, I don't know if
01:22:00
there will be another show like this.
01:22:03
And I'm really glad we got to see a live version of this
01:22:06
story. Just really, really glad.
01:22:10
So I guess for Outlander, that's it for our show.
01:22:17
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01:22:35
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