#outlander Lord John's secrets are threatened to be exposed by Richardson, who explains his reasoning for targeting the Greys. Jamie, Claire, and William search for clues in Lord John's disappearance. Claire discovers some unexpected information about Richardson's motives. Lord John rights some wrongs done to him by friend and foe. William learns some valuable lessons about love and forgiveness. Cleveland calls to collect on a debt. Only ONE MORE EPISODE until the SERIES finale!
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Dina. And we are talking about the
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penultimate, not season, episode, series episode of
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Outlander that I I don't like saying that.
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I just got goosebumps saying that it's almost the end and I'm
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not ready. No, no, because I want more.
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And then especially since she has more books, there's more
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material out there, you know, coming.
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So it makes me sad. But like, you know, we talked
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about that before. Like you said, they can't hold
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the actors hostage forever. It ain't like that in.
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The day, some soap. Forever, you know.
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But still, it's like I'm not ready.
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But this is where we are. We got one episode after this
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one. Let's get into it.
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I will say this, I think I missed the Juju and Michelle.
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I had been seeing some things online and I've been trying to
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stay away 'cause I didn't get a chance to watch this until
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Sunday. So I had started seeing things.
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And you know how some of the, some of the actors have been
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doing like the goodbyes to their characters after their
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characters. And so I saw one on Lord John
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Grant. I was like, if y'all tell me he
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dies in this episode, I'm going to be mad.
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And then at the beginning of the episode, you know, they have the
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like the trigger warnings at the beginning and this says suicide.
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I said hold up. I said if y'all do anything to
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Lord John Gray, I'm a riot. But then I had to remind myself,
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Diana Galbadon wrote this episode.
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She ain't killing Lord John. Right I was.
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Like, OK, all right, OK, I can calm down now, But let's get
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into Lord John Gray, because episode starts out with his
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little dilemma, which we saw at the end of the episode.
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He got kidnapped. Yeah.
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I, Captain Richardson. So we start the episode off
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Captain Richardson comes in and basically he's like, yeah, your
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brother's about to do some stuff that I need him to not do.
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So in order to get him to not do those things, we're going to
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blackmail him. And how are we going to do that?
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Well, we're going to put all the floor John's business out in the
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London papers. He's got streets.
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He's gotten one of Lord John's old lovers, which we still don't
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know how he found this person. He got a confession.
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And I've. I, I paused the TV screen just
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to see if I could read what the confession was.
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Oh, yeah, That dude was laying it out.
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He was like sodomy, buggery, fellatio, blah, blah, blah.
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I was like, oh, you. What did they threaten you with?
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Because you all the details. Percy I, I feel, I wonder if it
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was because Percy knew things and then, you know, he was
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because he's a sucker. And so maybe he told him.
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There's a possibility it could be this guy or that, you know,
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or this person maybe, and then he went and tortured him or
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whatever. Kind of makes you wonder like so
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we learned some things about Percy in this episode.
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One, that he still loves Lord John, obviously, but two, it's
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kind of like, were you keeping track of him this?
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Whole time. Because if you remember from
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earlier episodes, when Lord John was telling Claire about Percy,
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he was like, yeah, we used to be, you know, he was my
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stepbrother. Our parents used to be married.
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He had to fake his death or he helped him fake his death for
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something. I don't even remember what it
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was. But obviously Percy is is kind
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of unscrupulous. I mean, we see that even in this
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episode. And he's also a bit of a coward.
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He's a bit of a punk, a cold. Coward.
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So I don't know it, it kind of makes you wonder, like, what did
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Richardson have on these people to make them say, OK, yeah, I'm
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going to give you a full confession.
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And of course, the one from Percy is more damning because of
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the fact that they were legally step brothers, step brothers at
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the time of all this stuff. And it's just kind of like you,
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you want to be mad at Lord John, but at the same time, when they
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were step brothers, they were young, they were teenagers.
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Teenagers do stupid things. We all know that.
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We've been there. We've done stupid things for.
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Sure. We're to come back and bite him
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in the butt so many years later. Yeah.
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And for Percy to be like, I'm not brave, John, you were always
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brave, but I'm not Why? Is it always the the the ones
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that's cowards and wimps out here doing the most dirt and and
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keeping up the most drama and and messing with folks?
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And then when it's time that before they come up and oh, they
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whining and begging and pleading and help me.
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No, you didn't help me. You could have been you could
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have helped me and you chose to give me up and now you please
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forgive me. I don't think so.
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Right. Because let's be honest, if
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Richardson is to come to Percy and say, OK, so I heard you had
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a relationship with Laura, John Percy could have said no.
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I mean, how is Richardson going to prove otherwise?
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Was he there? Didn't.
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I mean, come on, right? How, how is it that you like?
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I still don't get how he was able to have that kind of power
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over Percy, because unless Percy got caught with somebody else.
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I mean, the question came up because, oh, you are, you know,
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associated with him. But then again, here comes the
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question again. Percy is supposed to be dead to
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anybody who knew Percy Wayne, right?
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Right, right. Yeah.
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And I feel like the only reason why he signed his letter that
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way to how saying, hey, if you don't do all of this, it this
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this information is going to the papers is because how would know
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who he was like, truly, right. You know.
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So it's kind of like, OK, yeah, you thought I was dead, but I'm
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here and this is what I know. If anybody knows anything about
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Lord John from those times, it would be Percy.
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But still, it's kind of like, how did you get into
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Richardson's clutches that he knew that this was something he
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could blackmail you with? I do wonder with 'cause I don't
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know, you know, with us finding out later about Richardson,
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Richardson and, and who he really is and all that.
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Later I did wonder if there was something like a not a like a
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history book, but like some sort of, you know, how they have like
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certain things where they speculate what was going on in a
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certain time with certain Lords and nobles and then so from the
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future or whatever. And maybe he's, he found some
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because, you know, he's, he's clearly been studying and, and,
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you know, researching like all these people of the time and
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who's connected to whom and without one giving a speech has
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got to be documented somewhere. And then he has his brother and
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then this and this and this. So I, I did wonder about that
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once I, you know, got the confirmation, 'cause I had
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forgotten. We talked about Richardson.
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Yeah, before and, and I forgot about that.
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So then when I was like, Oh yeah, we talked about that.
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He is OK. And I was like, well, maybe he
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just had some information from the future that was just not
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specifically it a truth or a historical document, maybe just
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rumors that were written down some kind of way, some journals,
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something. I don't know that.
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You know what that could that that would make sense,
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especially if there was what was it that he told Claire that he
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he has identified key players, right as far as who could
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possibly turn the tide of history.
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So if he was looking at the Gray family, if he was looking at how
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if he looked into even like their parents, he would have
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seen that they had a stepbrother, He probably and
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Percy probably wouldn't have been anything on his his radar,
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except for the fact that he has come into contact with Percy
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here because Percy was the aid to the Marquis de Lafayette,
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right? So it it, yeah, now that you say
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that, it could have been just that Percy was in the wrong
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place at the wrong. And then with John, the other
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thing about John is it is kind of fishy for that time period
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that a Lord has this one son and his and his wife and they didn't
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have no more kids. And so The thing is, obviously
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there are obviously there's infertility in it and whatnot.
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But like in those times, you know, that's a big, huge thing
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for Lord to not have a ton of airs if the, if possible, you
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know what I mean? Like they would have tried to.
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So I, I, you know, so there could have been rumors because
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they didn't have no more kids that Lord John wasn't hitting
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it, you know what I mean? Like also that.
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So I, I, I feel like there was ways to figure these things out,
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but it's just sad that, you know, that people just people's
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business just ain't never their business.
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Even back in them days, it just was never yeah, people live
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their life. But yeah.
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Yeah. But so, yeah.
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So anyway, in in the midst of all this, Lord John being
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blackmailed and everything, and Miranthus has apparently tracked
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down William, figured out where he was or whatever.
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Maybe she sent the letter to Mount Josiah.
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And whoever at Mount Josiah knew where William was going, They
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they forwarded it. But at this point, it's been
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almost two months, you know. So Jamie, Claire and William,
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they come back to Savannah, they try to figure out what's going
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on with Lord John. And this is when they find out
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about the black male. This is when they figure out
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that Percy is the one behind it and they go to see Percy.
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Now I'm going to admit what William apparently has been
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getting along with Jamie very well, because.
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He is red. Jamie.
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So Jamie, he. Was so Red Jamie's son.
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Like, listen, stop. I was like, that's what I was
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talking about. Right, Jamie, Jamie sitting
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there holding a person like that's my boy.
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Because when I say William look like he was going, he was ready
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to kill this dude. Oh, yeah, I had to hit like I'm
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watching that neck. Just got him by the neck.
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You going to give me this information?
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What? Right.
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Oh my God. You going to tell me about my
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father, right? Oh my God.
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I love this scene so much it. It was good.
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And then of course them figuring out.
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OK. So I will admit when Laura John
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found the little pen and he kept looking at it, I was not
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thinking he was going to spend all that time carving up his
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carving up the word. But I mean, he had time to do
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it. Yeah, he just, you know.
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He gave them a very good clue about where he was.
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But you know, again, Percy's whole thing about, you know,
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Richardson, he's crazy. And you know, if, if he finds
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out I told you, he's going to kill me, I'm like, what do you
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think these two gentlemen are going to do?
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Right, right here. In your face.
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In your face. Right now, that's the thing that
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we've always that we always say when people are being confronted
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by the people that they've wronged and they're working.
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They're they're the hench men for someone else.
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Well, if he finds me, he's going to kill me.
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You need to be more concerned about the problem that's in
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front of you because there's two of us right now who are ready to
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kill you and will do. But that's.
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The thing, too, people like him who know he's wrong, people know
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who the really good people are. His assumption is that he gives
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a sob story. These good gentlemen, these
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upstanding gentlemen ain't gonna hurt me.
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But he just didn't know Williams was seeing red, and it was time.
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And Jamie was like, Brad, look. I don't know.
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Williams does. Spent the last two months in the
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Ridge with his with his his birth father went for war.
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Listen, we didn't ready to fight.
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And he already a soldier, so it's all it's like, come on man,
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right? Right and and and I think his
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whole thing was OK. I can be upset about my I can be
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upset with my daddy, I can be mad with him, I can do whatever
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but y'all can't do nothing to him.
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Yep, don't you mess with my. Dad, don't you mess with him.
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And at this point, it's been almost two months.
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Lord John could easily have been dead.
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Oh yeah, Yeah. You know.
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He definitely could have just cooked like and then he was in,
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like you said, in that boathouse for two months, just like on the
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ground. Anything could have happened.
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He could have been bit by a rat. It could have been anything
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could have happened. Right, he could have been he
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could have been now malnourished because if all you eating is
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fish it's. Yeah, with nothing else and
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'cause it don't seem like they were getting, you know, a ton of
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stuff. They were, they were, you know,
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it was the bare minimum. But but yeah, they they get in
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there and they they are able to rescue John.
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And when they are trying to, you know, they're trying to make
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sure that there are no other guards and Jamie is going to get
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the boat to get them away from there.
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Claire actually is the one that's watching over Richardson
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because she was the one that was watching him while Jamie and
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William went to rescue him. Now we'll say this about the
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rescue them coming up out their water.
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Listen, girl. Oh my God.
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I was like, OK, whoever made the decisions for how they were
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going to do this episode, bravo because that one scene of them
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coming out the water and I cannot think they were.
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They reminded me of something else.
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And I can't remember what it was, but I was like, anytime you
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have scenes where people just kind of sliding out of the
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water. Out of the water.
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Oh, you OK? I'm thinking Twilight right now.
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Breaking Dawn. Oh, OK.
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When Victoria's army coming out of the water, that's what I'm
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immediately thinking of. But anytime you see somebody
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doing that, you know some shit is about to go down.
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Going down, I mean, they came up.
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It's so funny because I was watching this.
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I was like, what are they Navy Seals?
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I found die because I was like for real, for real.
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That that look very modern the way they came about that one.
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Yeah, but the other thing too is you saw in that moment William
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had no qualms about killing anybody.
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Hey, you do what I do right? Get my dad back, but you but but
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I will say, like the real experienced killer, you know,
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Jamie, you know, he came with the and William stabbing in the
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back. I'm like, no, bro, you got to
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get him one fell swoop, because what if that that stab in the
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back didn't work, you know, the first time, but it was still
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good. I was just, I was very impressed
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with the coming out of the water.
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Yeah, and it's nice to see William and and Jamie working
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together. Yeah, after, after all of the
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drama they've gone through, to see that they've kind of gotten
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to a place where they're like, OK, whatever our differences
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are, whatever, we have one goal. We're going to ask you, Lord
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John. But in the midst of all that,
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when they're trying to make sure that everything is clear,
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whatever Claire Registers are having a conversation.
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And Richardson is basically trying to explain to her his
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motivations for doing what he's doing.
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And he starts asking her, well, how do you feel about slavery?
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And she was like, slavery sucks. And so he gives her the
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background that his great, great grandmother was the child of a
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slave. OK.
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And then he starts talking kind of vaguely because he's like,
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you know, I don't expect you or anyone else to understand.
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But if Britain is allowed to withdraw from the war, if they
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let the colonies go, if they say, OK, you know what?
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the US, they can have the colonies.
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We're it, it, it's costing us more than we're going to gain.
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We're going to leave out of it. He was like, it's not really
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going to be a win for America because Britain is about to sign
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their law saying, hey, slavery is outlawed, we can't have any
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more slaves in Britain, blah, blah, blah.
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Now, if Britain holds on to the colonies, that also goes to the
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colonies. But of course, we know what
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happens. America breaks away from Britain
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and then slavery continues for almost another 100 years.
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So Richardson is basically trying to avoid that.
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He starts mentioning some things about what's going to happen,
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and as Claire is listening to him, she starts piercing
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together. Oh, this dude is from the
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future. Especially he says, you know,
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slavery is going to exist for at least another 85 years, and so
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many hundreds, hundreds of thousands of people are not
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going to be free. And then, you know, he was like,
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he's going to lead to a war. And she was like the Civil War.
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He was like, hey, what? Now what did you what did you
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say? And she?
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Was like, yeah, you're talking about the Civil War, the North
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and the South and Gettysburg and all this other Abraham Lincoln.
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He's looking at her like though. Oh, you thought it was just you,
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Boo. Right.
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And she was like, oh, you're a time traveller.
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So then they have a conversation.
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She was like, well, the first time I came through was in 1945.
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That was an accident. But I came back again in 1968.
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He was like, well, then you know what I'm talking about, Help me
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stop it. And she was like, you can't stop
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a war that's already been lost. Yeah.
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And he's like, oh, you've tried. She was like, we tried with
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Collada. And he was like, well, maybe it
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wasn't she's an Alaman. So he was like, wait, you tried
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it twice? She's like, look, anything
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that's fixed like that, you can't change it.
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As much as I would want to. She said there are certain
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things that just can't be changed.
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And he's sitting there just continuously trying to tell her,
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well, maybe it's maybe. I mean, we had to have been sent
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back for something. Would it?
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And I think he said the same thing that what's his name said?
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What's the whole point of us having this?
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Ability, Ability. If we can't change things for
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the better. Now, on the surface, I'll get
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Richardson. I understand what he's doing.
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I don't like necessarily the means at which he's doing it.
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But at the same time, you're trying to find a way to get rid
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of slavery. And if we weren't attached to
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Lord John and we were looking at, and this is the same thing
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we say with The Walking Dead, we were looking at it from
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Richardson's point of view, right.
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We probably would be like, OK, so you about to blackmail one
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man in order to keep 100 people from being enslaved for
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the next 100 years? You know, I can get down with
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that. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. But just like Claire says, you
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know, he he eventually talks her in into it.
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Hey, just let me go. Let me let me try this.
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And she was like, you just have to you have to promise that
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you're not going to hurt anybody.
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He was like, I promise. Now I'm sitting here while she's
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unlocking him and I'm like, Claire, please don't be stupid.
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But then you have to think about it.
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Claire is probably thinking if there's a way for him to change
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this. Like how can she be selfish and
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try to change Jamie's fate? But not allow him to but.
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Not allow him to try to, to try to stop slavery.
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You know, when you think about it in that sense, you can see
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why Claire was like, OK, you know what?
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I got to let him try because it's his cause.
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Any more or any less noble than mine, she's trying to say One
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person he's trying to save. A whole.
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You know, so it's like it's one of those things where, OK, I
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know a lot of people about to be mad at Claire, but she had to
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let him try. But what is it?
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The one thing we talk about time travel and and static and and
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fixed points history is going to find a way to correct itself.
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And as soon as he gets ready to try to leave, he opens the door
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and Lord John shoots him dead in the head.
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Like there, there's no coming back.
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There's no mistake in he didn't have to double tap.
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He made sure one and done. It was like this is for my son
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and if I had another bullet I'd shoot you for me and for how to
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for what you were about to do because he literally was about
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to destroy their whole family. Yeah, yeah.
00:21:13
And and that's, you know, it just, it would have been, I
00:21:17
don't know, like, like I, I feel like you like, I feel like it's
00:21:20
kind of like that thing about like how Thanos, you know, he
00:21:24
went about it the wrong way, but I get where he was coming from
00:21:27
and the reason why he felt the way he felt.
00:21:29
But it's also that thing of like, I get you wanted to stop
00:21:33
slavery because who wouldn't want to stop slavery?
00:21:36
If if you're a person with with compassion and you know, you
00:21:40
just know slavery is wrong, but then you also have to think
00:21:42
about if you stop slavery, how many people are not going to be
00:21:46
here in the world that you know, because you changed this whole
00:21:51
outlook, which is, you know, I obviously will want my great,
00:21:54
great whomever's to not suffer slavery and just not be here.
00:21:59
But I guess, but you have to think about that like you're
00:22:01
going to change. If you actually going to change
00:22:03
history that big, you know you're.
00:22:06
Going to have some consequences. That we don't know about Yeah,
00:22:09
that would That you don't know And.
00:22:11
And honestly, do we even know it was going to be any better?
00:22:15
Not that you know what I'm saying, Because my thing is,
00:22:17
look at how they were once we got free and and they still was
00:22:21
doing whatever they did to make black people's lives horrible.
00:22:24
So I don't know that it. Was still doing it.
00:22:26
And still doing it. So I don't know that it would
00:22:28
necessarily have made things better, right?
00:22:31
Obviously you wanted to you want that to be gone, but I don't
00:22:34
know that it wouldn't necessarily necessarily have the
00:22:35
benefit that he thought it was going to have, you know.
00:22:38
And so that's the thing, like changing the future and thank
00:22:41
God we can't go back in the past because I just know we would
00:22:43
fuck it out and fuck up worse than what we already got.
00:22:47
The hell we're dealt. It's probably worse if somebody
00:22:50
go back, Tinker and what's. Yeah, because.
00:22:52
You never, you never know how that's going to how that's going
00:22:55
to play out once you change things.
00:22:57
Like if we think about even the earliest seasons going back to
00:23:00
Claire, because Claire except for Colada and she she's tried
00:23:04
to keep things like on a small scale, like, OK, if we change
00:23:08
this, what would happen if we change this?
00:23:10
What what happened? You know, and we think about
00:23:13
let's think about Blackjack, Randall.
00:23:14
OK, so it's like we went for so long thinking Blackjack was
00:23:20
Frank's direct ancestor. When we find out it's actually
00:23:23
not it was his brother, which, OK, cool.
00:23:26
So they probably could have killed Blackjack, but then what
00:23:30
would have happened when his brother died and Mary needed
00:23:34
somebody to, you know, to take care of her and to claim that
00:23:38
child is like, it could have been so many things.
00:23:41
If if Jamie would have killed Blackjack during the duel, how
00:23:46
do we know how that would have affected Claire?
00:23:49
Because again, Claire came back in time because she was on
00:23:51
honeymoon with Frank. Right.
00:23:53
If Frank doesn't exist, Claire has no reason to be in Scotland,
00:23:58
has no reason to be near the stones.
00:24:00
So it's like one small thing can affect things in a huge way.
00:24:05
So Can you imagine what what Richardson was trying to do, as
00:24:09
noble as it was? You want to stop slavery?
00:24:12
Yes, I get it. But what kind of impact would
00:24:16
that have had if he had changed that something that had already
00:24:21
happened? It's just there's no way of
00:24:23
knowing. And like Claire said, hey, the
00:24:26
history, always the set history will fix itself.
00:24:30
You can do all these different little things, but it it's going
00:24:33
to fix itself. Yeah, because it's done
00:24:36
happened. This was this was the mindset,
00:24:38
this was the pull of whatever was happening at that time.
00:24:42
And honestly, like even with even with him, you know, being
00:24:45
like, oh, you know, in England, this this and this, they still
00:24:49
didn't end slavery for until like 1830 something anyway.
00:24:53
So it didn't even even change it.
00:24:55
Wasn't immediate, Yeah. Yeah, so it's like, you don't
00:24:58
know what the outcome is going to be.
00:25:01
And I but I totally get his whole drive to to do it though.
00:25:06
And that's and it's crazy because he he founded a port
00:25:10
because he had a connection so far away from him.
00:25:13
And, you know, it's like it's that's, that's a very
00:25:15
interesting thing to like, I guess maybe he did some research
00:25:19
about the family history and was like, oh, wow.
00:25:21
Wait a minute, you know so. That was an interesting
00:25:25
storyline. I think I, I kind of enjoyed
00:25:28
that to just, you know. Now, the one thing I wish this
00:25:32
had LED into, which I understand we only have this episode and
00:25:36
the last. We don't have a lot of time to
00:25:38
do a whole bunch of stuff. But I was kind of hoping when I
00:25:42
saw the direction that this was going, I was hoping that William
00:25:46
and Lord John were somewhere listening to all of this so that
00:25:51
they could be brought into the fold about Claire being a time
00:25:55
traveler. Because I feel like Lord John
00:25:57
and William need to know. Yeah, definitely.
00:25:59
If nobody else, definitely. Lord John, come on now.
00:26:02
Right. I mean, but William needs to
00:26:04
know because it's literally Claire, his sister, his nieces
00:26:09
and nephew. But, you know, I just I wish
00:26:13
there was a way that they could have brought that in because
00:26:17
especially, you know, they probably had questions with
00:26:20
Claire, like how why the fuck did you let him go?
00:26:24
Yeah, she, she can explain it to Jamie.
00:26:27
Like, I know Jamie is probably like, Claire, what was on your
00:26:30
mind? She can go back into him and
00:26:31
say, hey, OK, so this is what I find out.
00:26:34
He was a time traveller. He was trying to end slavery.
00:26:37
Jamie will understand that because he knows how clear, how
00:26:41
strongly Claire feels about that.
00:26:43
Right. Yeah.
00:26:44
So he would understand it. Lord John and William, I think
00:26:47
it will be a little bit different because of course,
00:26:50
especially being at that time, they probably be like, oh, she's
00:26:52
just a woman. She's just being, you know,
00:26:54
she's being soft hearted. She's being, she allowed him to
00:26:57
sweet talk her into letting him go, that sort of thing.
00:27:01
I really feel like it's very important for the family as a
00:27:05
whole. Like, you know, the things that
00:27:07
we've explored this season is what happens when you keep
00:27:11
secrets from your family. And so I just feel like at this
00:27:15
point in time, especially now that later on in the episode,
00:27:18
Jamie and Lord John have kind of reconciled.
00:27:21
William and Lord John have reconciled.
00:27:23
William has kind of reconciled this thing with Jamie.
00:27:26
Now it's part like, OK you know what, we need to let y'all know
00:27:30
what's going on. Right.
00:27:32
But of course that doesn't happen, but it would be nice.
00:27:37
It would be it. Would be, I think at this point
00:27:40
and and they don't know. I don't think they know in the
00:27:42
books either. At least I know William
00:27:44
definitely doesn't. I think I saw somewhere that
00:27:47
they said Lord John, it had been hinted to Lord John, but I don't
00:27:51
remember reading that. And I've read all the books so
00:27:54
far and I don't remember it being even hinted to Lord John
00:27:58
that. She's a time traveller, yeah, I
00:28:01
think. I think I kind of vaguely
00:28:03
remember a conversation, but I don't think Lord John was
00:28:06
understanding exactly what they were trying to say because of
00:28:09
course they didn't say, well, you know, I'm from 200 years on
00:28:12
the they're not going to say that.
00:28:14
But I'm planning on doing another reread of at least the
00:28:18
later books sometime this summer.
00:28:20
So I'm going to see. But I, again, I feel like that's
00:28:25
something that kind of needs to be known at this point.
00:28:28
And then, you know, they could also explain it the same way
00:28:31
they did. We end, you know, they, they
00:28:33
gave it to him. You know how to get he, he
00:28:36
wasn't, he was what, 161615? Whatever age he was, he was
00:28:41
young when they told him, wasn't he?
00:28:43
Who was young? He was a little bit older
00:28:47
because I think when he met Claire, he was 16, He was 15.
00:28:54
And so it had been years after that because they they had gone
00:28:58
through the whole thing of chasing him to Jamaica.
00:29:03
The Yeah. So it had been a few years.
00:29:06
But still, I think especially now that William, even by his
00:29:13
own admission, he always saw things in black and white.
00:29:16
And now he's starting to see the Shades of Grey.
00:29:18
I think now he's at a point where they can tell him and he
00:29:23
might have a little bit more of an open mind about it, you know?
00:29:26
At this point he better have a damn open mind.
00:29:30
Everything that sudden went down, he better look Lord John
00:29:35
Junior, I need you to get your life.
00:29:37
Listen, listen. But but yeah, so Richardson is
00:29:42
dead and none of that is going to matter now.
00:29:46
Everybody's secret is safe so far.
00:29:48
But yeah, Jamie and Lord John, I will say the reconciliation
00:29:58
wasn't as bloody as I thought it was going to be.
00:30:01
Yeah. Which are good because when they
00:30:04
have their conversation, like they come in and Lord John is
00:30:07
thanking them for he's thanking Jamie and Claire for saving him.
00:30:12
He's like, thank you for saving my life and my reputation.
00:30:15
And what does Jamie say? He was like, well, you know, for
00:30:18
our history, I couldn't let you be, you know, killed by that
00:30:20
bastard. And then he sends it like, so
00:30:24
magnanimously, like, oh, I also decided to forgive you.
00:30:28
Claire turned her head and I thought she was laughing.
00:30:32
And then when I saw the look on Lord John's face, I said, oh,
00:30:34
this is about to get very interesting because Lord John
00:30:37
was like, well, thank you, Sir. I really appreciate it.
00:30:41
But I don't forgive you. Like, you almost killed me.
00:30:45
You have put me through hell with your treatment of me for
00:30:48
the last two years. I was like 2 years.
00:30:50
Yeah, that. That's insane.
00:30:53
It was like, basically he was like, screw you, threw up the
00:30:55
finger and walked into another room.
00:30:58
Like I I just don't want to be on the other side of that
00:31:01
Scottish anger baby, because that's the pet.
00:31:03
Two years is pretty petty, Jamie.
00:31:05
Listen, listen. But I mean, it was, it had to do
00:31:09
with Claire. So I, I, I understand it, but
00:31:12
the way that he was looking at John, when John was like, you
00:31:17
forgive me? And James was looking at him
00:31:19
like, well, yeah, I was like, Jamie, you are not reading the
00:31:22
room, baby. You are not reading the room.
00:31:26
I love that John just he he doesn't been treated he like
00:31:29
fuck this. I'm getting it off the chest
00:31:30
because he's like everything I've done for you and your whole
00:31:33
entire time we've known each other.
00:31:35
I have been doing for you, Sir, for you breath.
00:31:39
And your family. OK, and your family and you, you
00:31:45
coming at me at a time of grief because I was sad about your
00:31:48
death, your your wife, we were broken about your death and you
00:31:51
coming at me and knock my eye out my head and all this.
00:31:55
And then you think you, you think you'll forget, you better
00:31:58
get on my face. But Lord God can't wait.
00:32:00
And I was like. Right.
00:32:02
And and Claire. Claire's quiet anger.
00:32:06
She was like pride goes before fall.
00:32:08
He's like, don't quote the Bible at me.
00:32:09
The Bible? What you mean?
00:32:11
She said look at me and tell me you don't know that man and I
00:32:14
will never speak his name again. Jamie just looking the whole
00:32:17
life. Didn't nobody ask you all that?
00:32:20
Nobody. Woman.
00:32:22
Shut your mouth, woman. Right.
00:32:25
Damn you woman. Listen to your wife.
00:32:29
Like some. We're serious though.
00:32:30
Like all the things, I get him being angry in the moment, but
00:32:36
to hold on to that anger for your best friend is wild.
00:32:40
But I also believe that because they weren't in the same place,
00:32:48
it was just easier for him to just ignore it and not think
00:32:51
about it. Not like not not think about it,
00:32:53
but not deal with it because he you know it take two months to
00:32:57
get to each other from. Wherever the hell they are, you
00:33:00
know. So like, I think it was just
00:33:01
easier because he was in a different place.
00:33:03
He didn't have to deal with it, and the only thing that they
00:33:06
really had was letters right back and forth.
00:33:08
So I think it was just easier for Jamie to do that.
00:33:11
Not necessarily. I think if he had more time to
00:33:13
like actually be in the same space with him, this probably
00:33:17
would have got better sooner. But yeah, but the other thing is
00:33:22
too, I think, like, we know why. We know why what Lord John said
00:33:28
bothered Jamie so much. We know it has to do with what
00:33:31
happened to him at the hands of Blackjack Ramp Blackjack.
00:33:35
Yeah. But the thing that Jamie has to
00:33:37
remember is as as close as he and Lord John are, Lord John
00:33:41
does not know about that part of his life, does not know about
00:33:45
what happened to him. And so it does not understand
00:33:50
how that turn of phrase that your Lord John use, like we were
00:33:53
both fucking you. He doesn't understand what that
00:33:56
does to Jamie and what memories that brings up.
00:33:59
And and not just the, you know, the humiliation of having to to
00:34:04
go through that with Blackjack Randall, but also how it almost
00:34:08
destroyed him, you know, And so he was like, you know, you
00:34:12
saying that that's like a betrayal of our friendship.
00:34:14
The Lord John was like, look, you asking me to describe
00:34:17
something I didn't know how to describe.
00:34:19
It was impossible to describe. I was in grief.
00:34:21
Your wife was in grief. There was that.
00:34:25
If there was nothing else there, like they loved each other, it's
00:34:28
not like they were right, you know?
00:34:31
It's not like they just fell in love almost, you know, I, I
00:34:35
think also another thing like obviously their friendship and,
00:34:39
and the fact that he knew that he was in love with him and all
00:34:41
those things. But I think about also how she
00:34:44
fell in love with Jamie when she was married to Frank and in love
00:34:48
with Frank beforehand. And over time she fell in love
00:34:51
with Jamie. And I feel like Jamie still kind
00:34:53
of has that thing right, Like how he tried to come at her last
00:34:56
season about the sex, about her being basically being a whore,
00:35:00
like what you do like to fuck, right?
00:35:02
Like he kind of came to her like that real nasty.
00:35:04
And I do wonder if like his mindset about that was like,
00:35:09
well, you know, you, you was married when we met and you fell
00:35:13
in love with me. So you know what I mean?
00:35:15
Like I, I feel like Jamie just, he just sits in his head too
00:35:19
much. And I think he just needs to
00:35:21
understand it's the Jamie Fraser effect.
00:35:23
Like, just get used to it, dude. Just get.
00:35:26
Used to it bro, it's what it is. Right.
00:35:30
I mean, I'm, I'm just saying, but I'm glad he and Lord John
00:35:33
were finally able to like, air their grievances out.
00:35:36
Yes. And and and basically be able to
00:35:39
say like, look, you know, like you said, Lord John was like,
00:35:42
look, I have done everything for your family, everything.
00:35:47
Like, I have had to sacrifice a lot.
00:35:49
And, you know, rather that's what Jamie said to him.
00:35:52
Like you sacrificed a lot to take care of my child and to do
00:35:56
this and for my family, and you deserve better than that.
00:36:00
And John was like, yeah, I have sacrificed a lot, but he was
00:36:03
like, William has never been a sacrifice.
00:36:05
That is like the greatest joy of my life.
00:36:08
Oh my gosh. And, you know, for for them to
00:36:13
kind of acknowledge those things and to kind of put everything
00:36:17
out like that because again, things are men in the 1800s,
00:36:20
they don't share their feelings like that.
00:36:22
The fact that they finally were able to do that, and then Jamie
00:36:27
was actually able to say, I am sorry because what it was what
00:36:31
what is it that he said he was like, yeah, Fraser men are
00:36:34
stubborn, Fraser people are stubborn.
00:36:36
We don't apologize much, you know?
00:36:39
And then who was it Lord John brought up, Lord Lovett?
00:36:44
He was like, yeah, your grandson, that grandson, you
00:36:47
said don't apologize. Wasn't he the one that was hung?
00:36:51
Maybe he could have been a little bit more.
00:36:56
Yeah. Look like, yeah, we know that
00:36:57
dude. We know he ain't that tight.
00:37:01
But when, when Jamie was like, you know, what can I do?
00:37:06
What, what can I do to, like, fix this or to, to make this
00:37:10
whole? And Lord John started
00:37:12
unbuttoning his short sleeves. But yeah, I think he bought the
00:37:17
whoop Jamie's ass. He's like, yeah, I did.
00:37:19
I did a redression. But then all he was like, he was
00:37:24
like, look, he was like, the last time we did this, you gave
00:37:28
me a thrash. And so now it's it's my turn.
00:37:30
And Jamie was like, yeah, I deserve it.
00:37:33
He points to the table and all he wants is a chess game.
00:37:36
And I was like, OK, that made my heart feel full because I was
00:37:40
like, OK. I love that they are able to
00:37:45
kind of start back on kind of like Ground Zero.
00:37:49
Like OK. How they build our grievances.
00:37:52
We we've said what we need to say.
00:37:54
OK, now let's get this friendship back on track.
00:37:57
And you do that by the chess game because that was how it all
00:38:01
started for them. So I like that full circle
00:38:03
moment. It was nice, sweet.
00:38:05
And I was like, OK, y'all, y'all try to make me cry in these last
00:38:08
couple episodes. OK, whatever.
00:38:10
But it was sweet. It was sweet and it was.
00:38:14
Very sweet. And then you get William having
00:38:16
his conversation with Claire outside, which I think I was
00:38:19
like, OK, this is the William I have been waiting for.
00:38:23
Like you have the William who is still in some ways a child when
00:38:28
it comes to his feelings about both of his father's.
00:38:31
But having someone to voice that to and to say, well, how can I
00:38:36
love 1 and and still love the other and not feel like I'm
00:38:41
betraying them? But I was like, at least he
00:38:46
admits now. Like, OK, yes, I love Jamie, I
00:38:49
love my father, I love both my father's.
00:38:51
But I don't want either one of them to feel less there.
00:38:54
And then when Claire gave her answer, I was sitting there
00:38:58
like, wow, You know what? There is a lot of people with
00:39:01
two fathers in this family. It's kind of like Brianna
00:39:03
Television. Like you sure do not.
00:39:06
You sure do know a lot of people who are rebels, William.
00:39:10
You know a lot of people who are in your situation.
00:39:13
Claire has had two people. And I will say this, I got a
00:39:16
little bit excited when she mentioned Henry because that's
00:39:18
the first time she's ever mentioned either of her parents
00:39:23
by name ever. So I was like, OK, are we about
00:39:26
to get this tie in because she mentioned Henry?
00:39:30
But she mentioned Henry and Uncle Lamb about, you know, I
00:39:33
only knew my father until I was 5 and then my Uncle Lamb raised
00:39:37
me. Brianna had two fathers, Rodger
00:39:40
had two fathers and technically, if you think about it, Ian had
00:39:45
two fathers because he had big in and then Jamie also raised
00:39:49
him was just kind of like, do you?
00:39:52
We good, everybody is good. We're all like we had our
00:39:55
issues, but we're all well adjusted.
00:39:57
We all love the people that that we were supposed to love.
00:40:00
We love them equally. It doesn't.
00:40:02
It doesn't take anything away from the other one, you know?
00:40:06
And it's hard because like we talked about previously, like
00:40:10
being a child with two dads, it is hard because depending on who
00:40:15
the dads are, they're, you know, like my stepdad definitely was
00:40:19
not the one that he, he wasn't the one that wanted to hear me
00:40:24
call my daddy daddy because my daddy didn't raise me, you know,
00:40:28
And like, whenever I would talk about him, he wanted to make
00:40:30
sure I clarify, yes, he's my father that produced me, but he
00:40:35
is not my daddy 'cause he didn't raise me.
00:40:37
And, you know, I, I, I get where Williams come from because even
00:40:40
now I still have to like, make sure when I'm talking in one
00:40:44
way, I try to phrase things a certain way 'cause I, you know,
00:40:47
I don't want him to feel a certain kind of way 'cause my
00:40:49
father is now gone and my step dad still here.
00:40:53
But like, it's a thing like, that's a real fear.
00:40:55
I get where Williams come from because even when even when
00:40:59
around my, my, my around my father, like I would be like my
00:41:02
dad and I would just immediately change to my dad's real names
00:41:06
when talking. And he's like, it's fine, you
00:41:08
could call him dad. He raised you.
00:41:10
It doesn't bother me. And so.
00:41:11
But that was something I was afraid of.
00:41:13
You. Know for years like I didn't
00:41:15
even want to talk about the two different relationships you know
00:41:19
so it I I think that was really good what Claire gave him and
00:41:23
like explained to him and yeah. Yeah, it's.
00:41:26
Real good. Yeah, and then of course we see
00:41:29
them getting ready to leave and Jamie has the same little look
00:41:34
on his face like he's about to cry.
00:41:36
And I was like, Jamie, if you don't turn around and look at
00:41:39
this boy. And when he did, the way that
00:41:42
Williams face kind of changed, I was like, OK, like y'all were
00:41:47
giving me all the feels in this episode.
00:41:49
And again, I have to remember Diana wrote it, so I think she
00:41:53
was probably one. She was like, OK, let me give
00:41:56
y'all the closure that y'all may or may not get in the books.
00:41:59
Because again, this this has not happened in the books yet,
00:42:03
right? You know, in the books at the
00:42:06
end of book 9, William is just now getting to the Ridge to ask
00:42:10
for Jamie's help because he already knows that Lord John has
00:42:13
been gone, has been missing. Like I explained in the books,
00:42:19
Percy meets his end in a very different way than he does here
00:42:23
in the show. He's actually poisoned by a
00:42:28
bottle of wine that I think was sent to Lord John.
00:42:32
It was supposed to be, I think it was supposed to poison how
00:42:34
when he got there. But anyways, it's just a whole
00:42:37
bunch of stuff. But but the fact that he looked
00:42:41
back, you know, has his closure moment.
00:42:46
And then I was sad because I was like, does this mean we're not
00:42:48
going to see Lord John and William for the final episode?
00:42:52
Like, is this it for them? Like that would make me sad
00:42:56
because that means that you left your son didn't let didn't tell
00:43:00
him. Of course, because he doesn't
00:43:02
know about Frank. He doesn't know about the
00:43:04
future. So you can't really tell him
00:43:06
that, Hey, when I fight in this war, it may be like this right
00:43:10
now may be the last time you see me.
00:43:13
Right. But also, I think when Claire
00:43:17
talked to him on the Ridge about it, I think she kind of gave him
00:43:21
an inkling that, you know, with everything going on, don't let
00:43:25
this be the, the end of, you know, whatever.
00:43:27
So I think they'll, he'll be all right, 'cause he'll have that
00:43:30
comfort that she gave him about, you know, 'cause they settle
00:43:34
things and things are good. So I think she'll, I think he'll
00:43:36
be. OK, yeah, but I'm sad because I
00:43:40
hope that doesn't mean that this is the last time we're going to
00:43:42
see them. Yeah, I was kind of hoping that
00:43:45
they would just all go to the Ridge, just, I feel like Lord
00:43:48
John need a break. Listen, Lord, John needs to get
00:43:53
out of Savannah right now. Just, you know, just go on a
00:43:56
trip, go see the countryside. Yeah, You know, go see the.
00:44:00
Fan, but you know, I if he goes to the Ridge, would he really
00:44:05
get a break? No, no you wouldn't.
00:44:09
No. And then you got folks like
00:44:11
Campbell who would come up and probably be like, oh, wait,
00:44:14
that's Tori. No, we don't.
00:44:15
Need. No, you're right, that is true.
00:44:17
I forgot about that. Oh, that.
00:44:19
Oh, that guy. Yeah, that guy who shows up at
00:44:21
the end of the episode, but. Teaser teaser.
00:44:24
Oh he makes me want to throw up. I hate him.
00:44:28
I know I don't like him, but so so we so after all of this, of
00:44:35
course Lord John, he goes to pay Percy a visit.
00:44:42
Now this was what what was going to be interesting to me because
00:44:45
I didn't know how he was going to handle this.
00:44:48
And of course Percy is sitting there.
00:44:50
I didn't want to do this and I'm so sorry.
00:44:53
Can you forgive me? Can can I what?
00:44:58
No, I cannot. So when John walks in there and
00:45:04
and he lays the gun on the desk and purses, like, really?
00:45:09
And Lord John was like, yeah, depending on how you answer all
00:45:12
this, I was like, oh, Lord John is serious.
00:45:15
But then, like you said before we got on here, there are
00:45:19
moments where you have to remember that Lord John is in
00:45:22
the army. Is in the army.
00:45:24
A commanding officer, which means he didn't he didn't sing
00:45:27
some shit, he didn't done some shit.
00:45:28
He. Didn't done some stuff.
00:45:29
You know, we we always look at him when we think about the
00:45:32
gentleman that he is right, but. Yeah, he's been in the military
00:45:39
for a long time. For a long time, like since he
00:45:42
was a teenager, yes. So he pulls out this confession
00:45:47
and he was like, yeah, all you have to do is sign this, say
00:45:52
that you were part of Ezekiel's thing and everything that you
00:45:56
did, you know your confession was a lie, that you guys
00:45:59
blackmailed such and such and got him to confess, and it was a
00:46:02
lie. And then, you know, I will turn
00:46:05
this in to the authorities. You will be arrested and my
00:46:09
reputation will be clear. It's the least you can do.
00:46:12
It's the least you can do. Oh, and by the way, yeah, you
00:46:15
might want to sign this because Ezekiel is dead.
00:46:18
Yeah. You could go the same way.
00:46:20
It just depends. He was like a person is like
00:46:24
what's what's going to happen if I sign this?
00:46:26
He was like, look, it can be ink on that paper, it can be your
00:46:28
blood. Either way it goes, I'm good.
00:46:32
Either way, it's going to be a change.
00:46:35
A change. Don't come listen.
00:46:38
I was like, OK, Lord John. Girl and that person, of course.
00:46:44
What makes me so mad about it too, though, is he's afraid.
00:46:48
Running around, afraid of this one man.
00:46:52
And he didn't have enough guts to go to jail.
00:46:55
Right, like you, you you so-called love Lord John.
00:47:01
But when you have a chance to do the rectify your mistake.
00:47:06
Yeah, what you did, your betrayal of him.
00:47:09
You rather die. But you know, when he sat there,
00:47:13
he signed it, and then what was it?
00:47:17
I hope you can forgive me. And Lord John just looked at him
00:47:20
and turned around and walked off.
00:47:21
He busted with tears. Something told me.
00:47:24
I said, you know what? He's not going to let that
00:47:27
stand. No, no.
00:47:29
And of course, that's what cowards do.
00:47:31
Yeah. Because, you know, that's his
00:47:33
reputation now on the line and he going to jail.
00:47:37
So you know what they're going to do to you in jail.
00:47:38
You, you look like a fancy Lord or whatever.
00:47:41
You, you know, and you are probably screwed around so many
00:47:44
people. It's just like when a cop go to
00:47:47
jail and the prisoners is like, oh, like you can't.
00:47:53
Yeah. And so he knew he wasn't going
00:47:55
to survive. He was going to be somebody.
00:47:58
Yep. But Lord John walks out the
00:48:00
office and he hears A gunshot. Was like, at least he waited
00:48:03
until Lord John was outside before he did that.
00:48:07
So no one can say, oh, you did this?
00:48:09
No, I was standing outside in my very bright red British Army
00:48:15
coats. Yep.
00:48:17
And he did it after he signed, so it was a confession of
00:48:22
wrongdoing. And then he killed himself.
00:48:24
So he clearly is guilty. But that I was like, Lord John
00:48:29
is a thug. Look at him coming over here.
00:48:33
You can take the window or the stairs, but either way you're
00:48:36
getting hurt. He was like, look, it can be
00:48:41
your ink on that paper of blood. I don't care either way it goes.
00:48:47
It's just such a waste, though. You killed yourself, but you
00:48:50
were so afraid of this man killing you.
00:48:52
But you, you, you still killed yourself.
00:48:54
So what? What did it get?
00:48:56
What did you get? What did you gain a couple of
00:48:58
more days of living to to to do this man you claim you love
00:49:03
Wrong. That's.
00:49:05
Yeah, just just yeah, hate him. But here's my question with him
00:49:12
being dead, did Marshley go see him before he died?
00:49:16
No, Yeah, yes, girl, what happened with Mark?
00:49:21
OK. I hope they do tie that up and
00:49:23
let us know. And don't did Marshley get her
00:49:26
coins before this man died? And I guess honestly, she didn't
00:49:32
necessarily have to go through him 'cause honestly, she could
00:49:34
have probably contacted somebody in France and just been like,
00:49:39
you know, we had this knowledge. But I don't know.
00:49:43
That's a good question. I hope they don't just leave
00:49:45
that man. I hope they.
00:49:46
Don't. No, I'm sure.
00:49:47
Because if you think about it, from the time that Lord John got
00:49:51
taken to the time that William and Jamie got to him and two
00:49:54
months had passed. So I'm sure she didn't sit there
00:49:58
for months on end and just be like, OK, I'm not going to do
00:50:01
it. So because if you think about
00:50:04
it, even from the time that William got to the Ridge and
00:50:10
Fergus died, it was probably several weeks in between that.
00:50:14
So I'm sure, I'm sure she got her stuff done.
00:50:17
That's just how the the sale of the land went through and now
00:50:20
she got her money and she doing whatever, you know.
00:50:24
I just also hope that like they show her again and that wasn't
00:50:27
the end of her story on the show because that would suck.
00:50:31
That would suck. I mean, we got one more episode.
00:50:34
Like I said, we got to have some kind of reunion, even if, God
00:50:40
forbid, that Jamie dies on the battlefield or whatever the
00:50:44
whole family's going to have to come to.
00:50:46
But we're not even going there. We're not going there because
00:50:49
Jamie cannot die. He can't die, period.
00:50:54
Point blank. He cannot die.
00:50:56
Claire better do her best. That's all I got to say.
00:50:59
Listen, she bet. What are you good for, Claire
00:51:02
Samuel? But one other thing happens this
00:51:07
Savannah and I'm I'm I'm a little bit sad that Michelle is
00:51:10
not here to discuss it because I know she was so happy.
00:51:13
Yeah, she would be so proud of Lil William.
00:51:17
Because he told Amaranthus no. She.
00:51:20
Basically was like, she was like, so we, we, we having this
00:51:25
conversation about forgiveness. Can you forgive me?
00:51:28
It was like, yeah, I can, I can forgive you.
00:51:30
I understand what you were doing.
00:51:31
You know you were trying, you were trying to take care of your
00:51:34
child. She was like, so does this mean
00:51:37
that we can still go on the way that we were going on?
00:51:40
He was like, you don't want me to lie, do you?
00:51:44
When he said that girl. I paused the TV and started
00:51:48
laughing. I'm so sorry.
00:51:50
Like I Amaranthus, I feel you girl, I understand.
00:51:53
But you literally tried to take advantage of this man, and then
00:52:00
now you still want him to marry you when he knows that your
00:52:07
husband is alive. Yeah, maybe on paper, he's dead.
00:52:10
On paper, he has a whole nother existence.
00:52:14
He's another person. But this is somebody William
00:52:18
loved. This is somebody that he
00:52:20
idolized, that he looked up to, that was close as a brother to
00:52:24
him. You really think that he's still
00:52:28
going to marry you knowing that this man is alive out there, so
00:52:33
you want him to be a bigamist on on top of everything else?
00:52:36
Right. And William was like, you know
00:52:38
what? No, I wish you the best.
00:52:40
I hope you find somebody to love you, but it ain't going to be
00:52:43
me. And just, you know, he has to
00:52:45
feel like some kind of way about that anyway, just because the
00:52:50
fact that, you know, they already talked about it, like
00:52:51
you thought I was weak. You thought I was, you thought I
00:52:54
was the, you know, a mark or whatever.
00:52:56
But like, you know, William falls in love too easily.
00:53:00
And then he, he knew he was only feeling 'cause he felt sorry for
00:53:03
her. And then she was a pretty girl
00:53:05
and he just felt like he was going to do the duty of a good
00:53:08
person and blah, blah, blah. But then once all the, the fog
00:53:11
cleared, he realized he probably realized he really wasn't in
00:53:14
love with her number one. But then he also realized like
00:53:18
they would have started together and been together in a whole
00:53:20
lie, just like, 'cause what would have happened if
00:53:23
everything changed? And then this man come back and
00:53:25
want his wife back, you know, like, I don't know that I'm
00:53:30
glad. I'm glad he got his his heart
00:53:32
together and got his mind right. Yeah.
00:53:35
I can't wait to hear Michelle talk about it.
00:53:38
I know I can't wait. But she, she hasn't even seen
00:53:41
the episode yet. So I'm like, OK, I I just can't
00:53:45
wait because I'm sure once she watches it, we going to be
00:53:48
getting a text message. Like, finally he did something
00:53:52
right. But, you know, that could also
00:53:54
be two, two months of being on the Ridge.
00:53:58
Yeah. You know, getting to know Jamie,
00:54:00
having that reconciliation with Jamie, probably finding out more
00:54:04
about Jamie's story or finding out more about who Jamie is.
00:54:08
You know, the, the William that we see in this episode is a
00:54:13
completely different William that that we've seen before.
00:54:17
He really has matured. He really has grown.
00:54:19
He really does, I think, understand that, like you said,
00:54:23
everything is not black and white and he's starting to be
00:54:26
able to look at things and say, you know what things are a
00:54:28
little bit more complex than I all then I always thought they
00:54:32
were. And maybe now he can look at
00:54:34
things differently and, and kind of discern things in a different
00:54:38
way and and just accept things in a different way and say, OK,
00:54:41
you know what? Maybe this is not ideal, but I
00:54:45
don't have to be so gung ho against it.
00:54:46
Maybe I can just, you know, accept this or, you know,
00:54:50
whatever the case may be, but I I like this version of William
00:54:54
and I'm glad he's not going to end up with Amaranthus.
00:54:57
I hope that becomes the same case in the book.
00:55:01
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:03
Because I don't, you know, it's the story in the book is a
00:55:06
little bit, again, a little bit more detailed because you have
00:55:10
like whole books where you can explore that particular
00:55:14
relationship. But yeah, I just, we need to be
00:55:18
by himself for a little bit. Yeah.
00:55:21
And just, you know, like live life, live life.
00:55:25
And also like, did he, did he get out of the military
00:55:27
completely? He got out, right.
00:55:30
So now he, I think he needs to go either travel or, you know,
00:55:38
maybe decide he's going to keep his life in America.
00:55:40
Like he needs to figure that out.
00:55:42
He needs to go hang on the Ridge and get to know his new nephew.
00:55:46
Brianna had her baby. Oh yeah, little baby's here.
00:55:51
Yeah, there's little baby's here.
00:55:56
Yeah, so Brianna has her baby. She comes in the house and she's
00:56:00
having a conversation with Jamie and basically Jamie tells her
00:56:06
about Frank's book because she never read the book.
00:56:09
Right, he didn't never read it. Know what Frank said?
00:56:12
So he basically was like, yeah, so Frank said something about
00:56:17
the war, and she was like, you're not coming back, are you?
00:56:19
He was like, yeah, Frank says I die in this war.
00:56:22
She was like, well, just don't go, don't go.
00:56:24
We just, we just had the same conversation about trying to
00:56:27
change things. Yeah.
00:56:29
Even if he doesn't go, something is going to happen if it's to
00:56:33
make sure that he is on that mountain.
00:56:35
Yeah. And like he said, look, the
00:56:39
thing for me is I will gladly die if I know that I'm
00:56:43
protecting all of you. It's just it's it's so much more
00:56:47
than just me being alive. Yeah.
00:56:49
Yeah. It's his whole family's
00:56:51
well-being, right, you know, and but it's also like that's that's
00:56:59
I don't know, like that's what I I don't need to know the things
00:57:04
that are happening because that's I'm glad, like I ain't
00:57:06
got no sight. I ain't I ain't no, but I don't
00:57:09
want to know because this right here like trying to change
00:57:12
things and always having to live up to knowing that a thing is
00:57:15
going to like even with the what's his name, Cunningham,
00:57:18
like him knowing that he was going to die in what seven years
00:57:21
or whatever for five years, like that whole.
00:57:24
I don't want to know because I don't want to be I don't want to
00:57:27
be hyper focused on that because I feel like he was definitely
00:57:30
very hyper focused on that because even though he he
00:57:33
thought he was going to do whatever for the army or
00:57:35
whatever, but he never once considered that his life was
00:57:37
going to be jacked up the way it was for them.
00:57:40
And. He was being reckless with it
00:57:41
too, like, Oh yeah, OK, I'm not going to die.
00:57:45
They say you ain't going to die. They ain't say you was you
00:57:47
wasn't going to suffer. You know what I mean?
00:57:48
Like, yeah. So I don't, I don't, I don't
00:57:51
want to know. I don't want to know.
00:57:54
That's yeah. And so I don't need like the
00:57:57
fact they have to live with this.
00:57:58
And just he's been holding on to this for how long now?
00:58:01
I think over a year at this point.
00:58:04
So yeah, I mean it. Yeah, it has been over a year
00:58:08
because Bri, it's probably been closer to the two years because
00:58:12
Brianna has gone through a whole pregnancy.
00:58:14
Pregnancy. Yeah, yeah.
00:58:16
And it was months before that. They have been there months
00:58:20
before she got pregnant. So yeah.
00:58:23
But I that conversation she had with Jamie just broke my heart
00:58:27
because she was like, look, I don't want my grandchildren to
00:58:30
grow up without you. For all those years.
00:58:32
She was like, I just got you. And technically speaking, y'all,
00:58:36
y'all been in each other's lives now for about 10 years.
00:58:39
But still, you can understand she's kind of like look.
00:58:44
Yes, but then they left for some years because Mandy was just
00:58:50
born and she's what, like 6 or something like that?
00:58:53
So. It's like, yeah, but that that
00:58:57
little conversation also broke my heart because it's kind of
00:58:59
like, did I come back just to lose?
00:59:03
You. You know, eventually that's
00:59:05
going to happen. I mean, they're your parents and
00:59:07
you know, that that's kind of the natural order of things.
00:59:10
But still, it's kind of like I felt, I felt Brianna's pain in
00:59:14
that conversation. It's just kind of like, Nope,
00:59:18
you just don't, just just don't go.
00:59:20
And he was like, yeah, I can't do that.
00:59:22
You know I can't do that. That's not.
00:59:24
That's not. Every time we've tried to change
00:59:26
something, yeah, you know, but I don't like it.
00:59:34
I don't like, I don't like this whole war thing and honey, so
00:59:38
many wars. And.
00:59:40
Yeah, yeah. Like we we just stay fighting
00:59:42
war as humans. I.
00:59:43
Swear we're the worst. Yeah, but the the other thing
00:59:47
about this episode. So what did you think about
00:59:51
Claire starting her book? I thought that was interesting
00:59:56
because I for some reason in my brain, I was like, OK, she's
01:00:01
writing a book and she's like about my family.
01:00:03
And I was just like, OK, what if this?
01:00:07
Is a big the book that like? You know, like this is Diana's
01:00:12
book or so I don't know, some weird like sports wall type
01:00:16
thing or something or or somebody finds it in the future
01:00:19
and reads about her story. I don't know, like I don't know,
01:00:22
I had all kinds of thoughts, but I thought it was really cool.
01:00:25
But I also thought, like JP, so damn nosy.
01:00:30
Hey, what you doing? Yeah, give me.
01:00:31
I'm like, is she right? Maybe it's her diary.
01:00:34
Damn Jamie keep being played for plus ain't no secrets between
01:00:38
now I. Know that made me laugh though.
01:00:41
He was just like, give me to me. I want to see what you're
01:00:43
talking about. And then to hear him read it and
01:00:47
it it, it's very reminiscent of hearing Claire do the voice
01:00:51
overs, which is another thing that they did in this episode is
01:00:54
like, you get the voice overs that start in the episode, which
01:00:58
we haven't had that in such a long time.
01:01:02
Yeah. So that was the thing too, that
01:01:04
kind of made me be like, it really is almost the end because
01:01:07
this was how this series started.
01:01:10
We got Claire's introduction at the beginning and then you got
01:01:13
like a little something of hers at the end of the episode.
01:01:16
And it just made me so sad because now we only have one
01:01:20
left. There's one left and not, and
01:01:23
the one we got left is going to be a bunch of killing.
01:01:27
Because it's war. Because it's war now.
01:01:30
I think I did see I have to go look at it again.
01:01:35
I did look at the preview for next episode.
01:01:38
I do think I remember seeing that William does come back to
01:01:42
the Ridge. OK, yeah, I didn't remember
01:01:45
because. I think I remember seeing that,
01:01:52
but I don't know if Lord John comes with him.
01:01:57
I mean, it would be nice, but also would Lord John come,
01:02:02
considering those are rebels, you know, fighting, I mean, and
01:02:08
they're fighting against, they're going to be fighting
01:02:10
against some of the British officers and the British militia
01:02:13
or whatever they have. But I don't see Lord John,
01:02:17
especially after what just happened.
01:02:19
Jamie literally just came and saved your life.
01:02:20
I don't see Lord John being on the opposite end of him.
01:02:24
Yeah, I mean, at this point, like just move on, Lord John the
01:02:28
Brit, it don't even matter no more.
01:02:29
Just be American. Call it a day.
01:02:33
Right, because how many times have British folks tried to kill
01:02:36
you? Yeah, yeah, blackmail you and
01:02:39
and kill your son. Yeah, if you are, you are rebel.
01:02:42
You are rebel by default now at. This point, same thing with
01:02:47
William. That's the other thing with
01:02:48
William. I'm like, well, I have an
01:02:50
allegiance anymore. You know why?
01:02:53
Right. Nobody in your life pretty much
01:02:56
has allegiance to the Crown anymore.
01:02:59
But one episode left, we got some more and and The thing is,
01:03:06
even the actors don't know how the show is going to end because
01:03:10
apparently they filmed four different endings.
01:03:15
I hate, I hate when they do that.
01:03:16
I know they have to do that to keep spoilers down but like.
01:03:20
But apparently Ron Moore is the only person who who?
01:03:23
Who knows? What the ending is going to be?
01:03:26
Ending this. So yeah, I don't even at this
01:03:34
point, I don't even know if I want to speculate.
01:03:37
I, I, I feel like, I feel like Jamie is not going to die.
01:03:44
I feel like Claire will probably end up saving him with her
01:03:48
little her little power be fully white haired by the end.
01:03:53
That's the Raymond. Powers.
01:03:55
Yeah, but I I don't know. But beyond that, I don't really
01:04:04
have any expectations. Like I said, I know what I
01:04:07
prefer. I I would like to see everyone
01:04:09
on the Ridge. I would like it to end with
01:04:12
Jamie and Claire just kind of looking over everything and
01:04:15
feeling satisfied with life. I don't know if they're going to
01:04:18
put the whole Jamie's ghost thing in the show as far as why
01:04:24
we saw his ghost in the first episode.
01:04:27
But, you know, at this point, I don't know if for the show, it's
01:04:33
as important as it is in the book.
01:04:35
I know in the book we're supposed to find out in the
01:04:37
10th, the 10th book and she's always said it was going to be
01:04:40
in the in the last book. OK.
01:04:44
But yeah, at this point, look, Cunningham can die or not.
01:04:52
Cunningham, Campbell. Campbell.
01:04:54
Yeah, Campbell can die because I I I don't like him.
01:04:58
I just don't like, you know? You owe me.
01:05:02
Just the way he talks, just everything about his whole
01:05:04
everything, this actor. Cleveland.
01:05:07
That's his name. Cleveland.
01:05:08
His this actor like he, he's putting too much.
01:05:12
He's putting too much because I I just like his face.
01:05:15
I hate everything about him. I hate everything about him so I
01:05:21
want him to die ASAP. Yeah, but I mean, everybody else
01:05:26
needs to be OK. I I do know that at the in the
01:05:32
promo, you see Jamie kind of giving a speech to everyone.
01:05:37
You do see Ian there and his full Mohawk war paint.
01:05:43
I didn't see anybody else. Like, I don't know if the twins
01:05:46
are going to be there because they really haven't been in the
01:05:51
in the season as much. Yeah, I mean.
01:05:53
You've seen one or the other, but we've never seen both of
01:05:56
them now. Yeah.
01:06:00
Other than that, I just. It's coming to an end.
01:06:04
I'm very sad and I don't, I don't even want to speculate on
01:06:09
what's going to happen. I, I just, I just hope Jamie
01:06:12
doesn't die. Yeah, I mean, I I would be
01:06:15
satisfied with them, just like you said, just being able to
01:06:20
live their life on the Ridge and move on and things are fine.
01:06:26
I know that's like, you know, the happily ever after and all
01:06:30
that. No problems with happily ever
01:06:33
after. None.
01:06:35
It's just like, no, I just know people.
01:06:37
I know how people are. Well, it's not realistic and but
01:06:39
I feel like they have been through so much that let them
01:06:45
have their piece. Yeah.
01:06:47
This woman, she'd have been almost hung like 50 times.
01:06:50
He'd have been almost hung like 50 times.
01:06:52
You know, he didn't got, she didn't got shot.
01:06:54
He didn't get, I mean, whipped. I mean, all this stuff they've
01:06:57
had shot. Snake bite stabbed after.
01:07:02
Trauma after trauma. Fever yeah like yeah, but I'm
01:07:09
looking at the the promo now in the background so I do see Buck,
01:07:13
I see Rodger. Oh, let me say this too.
01:07:15
If you look at the the promo, you know how they had the
01:07:18
different shots Rodger has on his full minister's uniform and
01:07:24
his hair. I don't know what it is they did
01:07:26
with Roger Mack like this season, but this season Roger
01:07:31
Mack has been like smackish times 10.
01:07:34
Like he's always looked good. I've always loved Roger.
01:07:37
I've always loved. Good.
01:07:39
Yeah, no, he's a good looking. Dude, but this season, I don't
01:07:42
know if maybe it's just him being back in the 1800s because,
01:07:46
you know, 19 sixties, 1980s Rodger, he was cool to
01:07:50
especially, especially when he had on that blue sweater and the
01:07:52
kilt. That was like a killer look.
01:07:54
But I don't know, something about since he came back to the
01:07:57
Ridge, maybe it's because he's more comfortable.
01:08:00
I don't know. But I'm, I'm liking it.
01:08:03
Yeah, I I'm liking it. I'm feeling it.
01:08:07
I'm feeling it, but I. See some of these people in this
01:08:10
this crowd that Jamie is talking to.
01:08:12
I see Hiram Crombie over here. I was just about to.
01:08:14
Bring it up. So I, I, I guess the people who
01:08:18
got who almost got exiled, they were like, OK, look, if we going
01:08:23
to stay here, we got to fight we.
01:08:25
Got to fight you got to prove your loyalty.
01:08:27
And this, this is how you do it. Because real talk, be a coward
01:08:31
now and I'm just going to shoot you in your head.
01:08:34
Might as well. Be in because if you're not
01:08:36
going to fight with me, then you don't need to be on my land.
01:08:39
That's it. Like I, no, I don't need you
01:08:42
because what do you? What's your purpose?
01:08:45
But I saw him and I was about to ask you.
01:08:47
I'm like, so you see that one of the first people in that line
01:08:51
right there was was crying me. What you think about that?
01:08:53
I was just about to ask you that, 'cause I just.
01:08:56
Oh yeah, William. Is on the Ridge, I think, yeah.
01:09:02
So we'll see. Maybe he is gonna.
01:09:06
Maybe he is gonna fight. I do.
01:09:09
I don't know. I don't know.
01:09:12
I just know one thing. Oh boy, better not come for him
01:09:16
'cause he got a British accent or something.
01:09:19
Crazy. Oh no, because all Jamie has to
01:09:23
say is this is my son. That's automatically off limits.
01:09:29
Off limits don't come. Don't come looking.
01:09:32
So plus William again. William is not part of the
01:09:36
British Army anymore, so he really wouldn't have no reason
01:09:41
to go after William unless he finds out.
01:09:44
Oh, yeah, he used to be part of the British Army.
01:09:47
But you know what? All of the rebels used to be a
01:09:49
part of the British Army at one point or the other.
01:09:51
So, so you know, and, and I think at this point, William,
01:09:57
like you said, he just need to come on over to the to the rebel
01:09:59
side because the British side didn't treat you all that well,
01:10:03
Sir. And you probably ain't going
01:10:05
back over there. And your daddy here.
01:10:09
Both. Look.
01:10:09
Both of your father's, he was like that.
01:10:12
I'm never going to get used to that.
01:10:14
Get used to it there. Both of them are here.
01:10:16
I don't. I don't even see if.
01:10:18
I don't even know if I see Lord John going back.
01:10:20
Especially if William decides to stay.
01:10:24
No, because for, for one, for one thing, it's right now it's
01:10:28
still even though there are laws, but there's British rule.
01:10:31
But once there's no British rule, things will be, it'll be
01:10:34
it's different laws and different things coming into
01:10:37
play and so it just might be better for him to just be there
01:10:41
anyway. Just quit the army and just just
01:10:47
live as a as a whatever. But yeah, British Army has not
01:10:52
really been treating y'all well, so let let Hal have it.
01:10:58
Specialist says how apparently is of the type where, you know,
01:11:02
Richardson was like, yeah, if he doesn't if it what was it?
01:11:07
If he doesn't do what I want him to do, then you know your your
01:11:13
safety might be compromised. He was like, you wouldn't think
01:11:15
my brother won't care about that.
01:11:17
Like when it comes to when it comes to standing on his
01:11:21
principles politically, that's what's important to how, you
01:11:25
know, 'cause I think even in the books, you know, like I said, in
01:11:28
the books, the way they have it, Hal finds out that Ben is a
01:11:31
traitor. I think, I think.
01:11:35
But yeah. So basically, he he goes to find
01:11:39
Ben and I think he's going to find Ben to challenge him to a
01:11:43
duel. Because you know you, you now
01:11:46
besmirched the honor of our house.
01:11:49
You know. Dishonor on us, Dishonor on our
01:11:51
cow. So, yeah.
01:11:55
But yeah, that would look, Lord John can come to the Ridge.
01:12:03
William can come to the Ridge. They can help Jamie defeat, you
01:12:08
know, whatever the you know, he can.
01:12:10
They can help him fight in this this backwater war and and be
01:12:15
done and live to fight another day.
01:12:17
But we won't get any more days. We only have one more episode
01:12:22
left. One more episode.
01:12:26
Oh man. Oh, but but then, you know,
01:12:32
it'll be the end of Outlander. But at least we'll still have
01:12:35
blood on my blood. We'll still.
01:12:36
Have Blood on My Blood, which premieres I think August 8th for
01:12:40
season 2. We still have conventions and
01:12:43
stuff. Lancome.
01:12:45
Lancome is coming in October to Austin, TX.
01:12:50
They've got a really good guest list.
01:12:51
They just announced Tony Curran. I mean a huge list.
01:12:55
They are really getting them. They, they're getting a good and
01:12:57
I think they they could have been getting more.
01:13:00
But there is another Outlander convention happening overseas
01:13:04
that same weekend that I know certain people are going to be
01:13:09
at. Like I think I want to say merch
01:13:12
is going to be at that one. I think Dougal is going to be at
01:13:15
that one somebody else. I was like, OK, so we're not
01:13:20
going to get some of those people.
01:13:22
But I mean, it's a it's a really good guest list so far.
01:13:25
Pretty good guest list though. Pretty good because what William
01:13:28
John, we've got William we've got gay list.
01:13:31
We've got we look I like I hated.
01:13:36
Her, but she's one of my absolute favorite characters.
01:13:39
Like, listen, hands down, yeah, she's amazing.
01:13:46
Yeah, so Tony, Tony Kern is the first announcement they've made
01:13:50
from blood of my blood. So I'm hoping we'll get some
01:13:53
more blood in my blood people so that I can like really had go
01:13:57
have like a fangirl moment. But yeah.
01:14:00
Yeah, that, that. Would be good, like even for
01:14:02
blood. In my blood I would take like
01:14:06
Minnie Doogle or Minnie Doogle. We do go.
01:14:09
That ain't so we. Any of them.
01:14:13
Because I, you know, like I said, I absolutely adore that
01:14:17
show. Yes.
01:14:18
So, and I'm glad it's coming back in August because that
01:14:21
means that now, because it's coming back before Dragon Con,
01:14:25
we can actually do a panel at Dragon Con.
01:14:27
I've already reached out to them.
01:14:28
I was like, hey, but my blood is coming out in August.
01:14:31
Dragon Con is at the end of August, beginning of September.
01:14:34
So I mean, it was, it was similar last year because they
01:14:37
they premiered in August. And so I think at the time that
01:14:41
Dragon Con happened, we had 4 episodes under our belt and we
01:14:46
had a pretty good discussion just with those 4 episodes.
01:14:49
So yeah, bring it on. So.
01:14:53
Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's what I say.
01:14:55
Didn't they have like how many episodes did they have?
01:14:57
Was it 8? 1010, OK, I think it was 10.
01:15:01
So so yeah, so we we got some time to talk.
01:15:04
It's not like Outlander is completely over.
01:15:07
Yes, the flagship show show is over.
01:15:10
But I'm going to be honest too, I don't know if I feel like it's
01:15:16
the end for those characters, you know, because they have said
01:15:19
something before about after the 10th book is released, like they
01:15:25
could come back and do something with that or they, you know,
01:15:28
they, there's been some things thrown out, like maybe come back
01:15:31
and do a final movie or something like that.
01:15:36
I, I wouldn't be mine. I mean, I wouldn't mind.
01:15:38
And then they also say something about like a story like Brianna
01:15:41
and and Roger's story too, like I.
01:15:47
Think part of the part of the problem with that is not that I
01:15:51
say it's a problem because I actually do like Brianna and
01:15:54
Rodger, but I know a lot of people who are like the hardcore
01:15:57
Outlander fans. They don't really care about the
01:16:00
children or, you know, as far as that they they just want to
01:16:04
Claire, that's all they want to see.
01:16:06
And I've I've actually seen that in comments, even talking to my
01:16:11
best friend over the weekend, I hung out with her and she was
01:16:14
talking about how she needs to get caught up on Outlander.
01:16:17
She was like, but The thing is, she's like, they keep showing
01:16:19
the children too much. I don't care about them.
01:16:20
I care about claiming Jamie and Claire.
01:16:23
That's all I want to see. But I saw another comment
01:16:28
online, actually, I saw it earlier today was somebody was
01:16:32
complaining. They said why haven't we seen
01:16:35
Claire as much in this season? I feel like we're seeing
01:16:38
everybody else's story but hers and this supposed to be her
01:16:42
story. And I'm like, I, I understand
01:16:46
that and I get it. But I also feel like the show is
01:16:51
kind of taking the natural route it's supposed to.
01:16:54
Like as the parents get older, yeah, the storyline shifts from
01:16:59
them and it goes into the children because that's who
01:17:01
they're. They're like, yeah, Jamie and
01:17:03
Claire, they love each other. They're about each other, but
01:17:06
they're also about their family. And in all of his extensions,
01:17:10
because, like I said, in the books, you know, Lizzie and the
01:17:13
twins are part of their extended family, Fergus and Marshall.
01:17:17
Because in the books, Fergus ain't dead.
01:17:19
But anyway, you know, they're a part of this, the little the
01:17:24
little girl Agnes, whose parents are the flip free slaves in the
01:17:30
books, Like I said, her father or her stepfather after she,
01:17:34
quote UN quote, put them in danger by going to get help for
01:17:37
her mother. He put her out.
01:17:40
She came to Claire and Jamie and she's with them now.
01:17:42
So it's like they've always been about their family and taking
01:17:46
care of them. So I feel like the story kind of
01:17:49
bleeding down into to the others is a natural progression, but at
01:17:53
the same time, we've been seeing a lot of Claire this season, I
01:17:56
think. I don't feel like it hasn't been
01:17:57
a lot of Claire. Yeah, I mean that The thing is
01:18:01
like, I feel like when they were younger and it was they're
01:18:06
building their relationship, that made a lot of sense.
01:18:09
It was a lot of Jamie and Claire constantly.
01:18:12
Whatever, whatever. But like you said, if it would
01:18:15
be different if it that was a, if it was a show where they
01:18:18
never aged or like, you know what I mean?
01:18:19
Like it was just a continuation of them in their 30s or their
01:18:22
20s or whatever. But it's not.
01:18:25
It's literally passage of time and it's they can't, they can't
01:18:28
just be by themselves all the damn time.
01:18:30
Right and I mean, we've literally seen them age from the
01:18:33
20s to the they're in their 70s now, right They're.
01:18:37
Old and they, they have children like, I don't know.
01:18:39
I don't know. That's weird to me that people
01:18:41
don't want to see the their family.
01:18:44
Like that's who makes them who they are.
01:18:46
Is their family. The, the, the hardcore, you
01:18:49
know, like love affair stuff. Yeah, it's it, it happened.
01:18:55
It was there. And then this is the extension
01:18:58
of what that love affair means that they have this family, this
01:19:01
huge family. Like, I don't, I don't know.
01:19:03
That's I mean, I get it, I guess, but I just don't it
01:19:08
doesn't bother me that they're talking.
01:19:10
I want to see more about other people.
01:19:12
Yeah, yeah. And plus y'all kind of had to
01:19:15
make up for some of this because y'all completely left some of
01:19:18
them out. Like we didn't see Ferguson
01:19:19
Marshall at all in the last season.
01:19:23
So y'all kind of had to make up for that.
01:19:25
Especially if you're closing the story out, right?
01:19:29
You got to wrap up those those loose ends.
01:19:31
And I think they are really doing a good job of that.
01:19:35
Like even though yes, I think some of the stuff is dragging on
01:19:38
too much. I can understand what Michelle's
01:19:39
saying. Like, look, we only have 4
01:19:40
episodes. We only have three episodes.
01:19:42
We don't have y'all need to y'all need to, you know, close
01:19:46
this off. I think like the whole
01:19:48
Richardson thing, the the way that they brought the Richardson
01:19:51
story back in and even with Rob camera, they brought them back
01:19:55
in. They closed it up nice, neat
01:19:57
little, but well, maybe not neat, but nice little bow closed
01:20:00
up the storyline and and it's done.
01:20:03
You know, there is no lingering information.
01:20:06
There's no, there's no OK, what happened with this?
01:20:12
No, they closed, they closed it out.
01:20:15
You know exactly what happened to those characters.
01:20:18
Right. Yeah, I think they're doing a
01:20:21
good job. Now it's just a matter of what
01:20:23
they do with the final episode. And I think I saw a rumor
01:20:27
somewhere that the last episode is supposed to be like an hour
01:20:30
and 20 minutes. I don't know if that's true.
01:20:33
I haven't. Oh yeah, I remember you said
01:20:34
that in a chat. I mean, if it is, I won't mind
01:20:39
that, just that just prolongs the end.
01:20:42
Don't make don't make it a short one because you still there's a
01:20:45
lot to still wrap up honestly, and I don't want them to be
01:20:48
fighting the whole freaking damn.
01:20:49
No, I I don't want to see a whole episode of war.
01:20:52
I don't That is not how I want to like you started this this
01:20:58
story as a love story, even though it was starting with
01:21:02
Frank and Claire as a love story, but still it started as a
01:21:07
love story and then we followed this love story.
01:21:09
That's how it needs to end. Yeah, that's another reason why
01:21:12
I said Jamie doesn't need to die.
01:21:15
I don't. I don't want him to die.
01:21:17
Like, yeah, understand they can be realistic.
01:21:20
Whatever. Whatever I don't have.
01:21:22
To have realism. No, it's he's a magic.
01:21:25
Look, they've had magic throughout this whole entire
01:21:28
relationship, and now you want realism?
01:21:30
No, Jackie can No. Jamie, I don't need anybody else
01:21:34
to die. That Fergus took it out.
01:21:36
That just took me. Listen, that was the one in Dawn
01:21:40
right there. That just that was the one that
01:21:42
done because that one really wasn't necessary.
01:21:46
Especially if let's say if we aren't going to see Marsley for
01:21:51
the final episode. What?
01:21:53
What purpose did that serve to kill him off?
01:21:57
Y'all could have had them living happily in Savannah with their
01:22:01
children, with their new baby, you know?
01:22:05
But again, I feel like, OK, you killed off the old son so he can
01:22:08
have this relationship with the new son like y'all couldn't.
01:22:10
Like, you don't think William would have been cool with a
01:22:13
brother, you know? I kind of, I kind of hope they,
01:22:20
I don't know, I kind of what I will say one thing I kind of
01:22:22
hope they do is the progression of time so we can kind of see
01:22:27
Jamie and Claire real, real old and then all the the grandkids
01:22:32
grown up. But I don't know, it's going to
01:22:37
end. It's going to be.
01:22:38
Over, you know, I know I'm not ready.
01:22:43
I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
01:22:44
I think, I think I'm gonna have to drink some alcohol that
01:22:47
night. Oh God, so the tears don't
01:22:49
really float in we grow. They gonna flow regardless.
01:22:53
I know I'm going to be a hot blubbering mess.
01:22:55
I already know this I. Have tears like at midnight or
01:23:00
whenever they drop it because you know it's going to be all
01:23:03
over the Internet. I know, and that's what I'm
01:23:06
thinking, but I'm like, I know I'm going to be crying.
01:23:09
I'm going to be a mess trying to go to work on Friday morning,
01:23:12
but I'm going to have to because even like even for last week's
01:23:18
episode, No, it might have been this episode.
01:23:21
I opened up Google search and this happened.
01:23:24
This is what happened to me with with Fergus's death, right?
01:23:26
I remember. That I opened up.
01:23:28
Google search, and it was one of the things that was on the
01:23:31
Google search as far as like trending stories, right?
01:23:34
So even with this one, I opened up Google search to look for
01:23:38
something else and it was like has something about Lord John.
01:23:44
Oh it was talking about Lord John's rescue but then it also
01:23:47
said Outlander kills 2 characters in final season.
01:23:53
I was like who the fuck else did they kill?
01:23:55
Science Fergus. But because they mentioned Lord
01:23:58
John in the same headline, that's why I was like.
01:24:03
They plan. They plan on fire.
01:24:05
I was like, if y'all killed Lord John, it's going to be on and
01:24:10
popping because no, that is one person y'all are not allowed to
01:24:14
touch. Like y'all weren't allowed to
01:24:16
touch Fergus either, but that's already that's been done.
01:24:19
Y'all can't touch Lord John? And to be honest, TV has a very
01:24:24
bad Hollywood. It specifically has a very bad
01:24:27
habit of killing gay folks, and that is not acceptable.
01:24:31
So no, you will not kill Lord John.
01:24:33
He will thrive. Yeah.
01:24:35
Yeah, that's no, we will not. Drive and find him a man and I
01:24:40
don't know. I mean, you know.
01:24:42
A roommate, you know, I mean, he got a, he got a partner up at
01:24:48
Mount Josiah, he said. So, you know, maybe he'll, maybe
01:24:53
he'll go back to Mount Josiah. He'd be like, you know what,
01:24:56
fuck, fuck the British Army and all this other shit.
01:24:59
I'm I'm going to the mountains. Yeah.
01:25:01
I don't want to have nothing to do with none of this stuff.
01:25:04
And I mean not. Josiah is not that far from the
01:25:06
Ridge anyway, so. Yeah.
01:25:09
Still go visit. Yeah, but leave Savannah for
01:25:13
show, though. Because ain't nothing good
01:25:16
happened in Savannah. Fergus died in Savannah.
01:25:18
Lord John got kidnapped in Savannah.
01:25:20
No, I I need Savannah is not the place to be.
01:25:24
No. I need y'all to go but OK we
01:25:32
have one episode left. You have any final thoughts
01:25:38
about this episode? Oh, I'm so glad that Jamie and
01:25:43
John are back friends. Girl, I'm so happy 'cause that
01:25:49
just. I honestly like overdue it.
01:25:52
Yeah. Because that.
01:25:54
That, that what what he gave John still haunts me because I'm
01:25:57
just like, he really tried to murder that man.
01:26:01
And what if he had murdered him with all that?
01:26:04
And then, you know, later in life he wouldn't.
01:26:07
Oh, girl. So that.
01:26:08
And him and William would never have spoke again like William
01:26:11
would have never. And he might have, would have
01:26:14
been put in jail because William would have got the British Army
01:26:18
to arrest Jamie, I'm sure. Because, you know, it's
01:26:21
brilliant. Yeah, because Lord John was, he
01:26:25
was commissioned back into the army at that point, but didn't
01:26:29
know about it. But yeah, that would, yeah.
01:26:32
I'm just happy they made-up besties and.
01:26:36
That him and that Jamie and William have have now have
01:26:40
bonded. Yes.
01:26:41
So. So I got part of what I needed
01:26:44
for for the end of the show, Yeah.
01:26:49
If y'all want to find a way to wreck Con Fergus's death, I
01:26:52
don't. Have I don't have a problem with
01:26:54
that. It was all a dream.
01:26:56
Look if Master Raymond can bring faith back from the dead, y'all.
01:27:00
Oh my God, girl, where that shark?
01:27:06
Where that shark at? There's a shark out there that
01:27:08
they were jumping over with. Girl, listen.
01:27:10
Listen. OK, we're almost at the.
01:27:16
End for folks, this is it. This is it.
01:27:21
So hopefully we'll have Michelle on the last one.
01:27:26
I'll know she is in full senior mom mode right now.
01:27:30
Her daughter is getting ready to graduate from high school in a
01:27:32
couple weeks. So it's and and you know, she
01:27:36
works in education, so it's year end stuff and award ceremonies
01:27:40
and this that and others. So hopefully we'll have her on
01:27:43
for the final one so she can, she can talk with Glee about the
01:27:47
fact that William and Amaranthus are not together.
01:27:50
And then we can we can all have a nice little therapy session
01:27:54
about the end of Outlander. You can get her notebook.
01:28:02
No, we're not doing notebook ending.
01:28:04
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01:28:08
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