#outlander Amaranthus comes clean about her part in Ben's deception. Marsali and Fergus receive another ominous threat. A letter from Ian solves a mystery for Jamie and Claire. William discovers an explosive secret about Lord John. Fannie learns some happy news from an unexpected source. Tragedy strikes the Fraser family.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Deanna and Michelle. We got.
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Both of them this week, Yay. But it's because we got to talk
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about episode 7 of the final season of Outlander.
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And I'm going to start this episode off by saying there will
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be some book spoiler talk in this particular episode.
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And also, I have said this before, I have read the books.
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I'm a show person. I'm very OK with separating the
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two and knowing that the show was going to go in One Direction
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and you know the books are in another direction.
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With that being said, what the fuck was this episode?
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I'm mad at the whole entire. Episode yeah, yeah, we we need
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to talk about it because I will say this, as much as I love this
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show and as much as I'm again, I'm OK when when you make
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changes from book to screen, I understand some things have to
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change, be different, whatever, whatever.
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However, I will say, out of all eight seasons of this show, this
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is probably my lowest ranked episode ever.
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OK, I can understand. And I will say this too, it has
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nothing to do with the acting. The acting in this episode was
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was beautiful. It was.
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Beautiful. Everything was beautiful.
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Let's just put that aside. Everything written, everything
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done was beautiful. But this goes with what I said a
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couple of, you know, shows ago about how, OK, we just dragging
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along, but then you want to get to this episode and you want to
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just throw stuff at us. And this happened behind the
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scenes. This is so you were happy,
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correct? That we didn't ask for and we
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didn't need just. Literally could have been left
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done. Yeah, yeah.
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OK. So Michelle, you, you actually
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have to leave early out of this recording.
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So where do you want to go 'cause I know the the Williams
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stuff we can talk about later. Do you want to go to the faith
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stuff or do you want to go to? The Fergus stuff real quick,
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will you 'cause I'll talk about that later.
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I don't like him. I didn't really.
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He he getting on my last nerves. I didn't like how he talked to
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his father today. I did not.
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Yeah, hot and cold, hot and cold.
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Yeah, right. So that part, so he better get
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it together, right? He he got one more, he got one
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more episode, right. No, Nope.
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He did episodes. We got left three.
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He got 3 episodes getting together.
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Yeah, Nope. He he did to me.
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Right, 'cause today, boy, I was like, oh, I don't care.
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I'm like him, kick it, get out. But but OK, but go somewhere.
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I'm going to say this one thing as far as as far as William
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goes. William really needs to pay
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attention to what people are saying to him about him.
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Because when Amaranthus had the conversation with him and she
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said I was I was looking for a cow.
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And he was like, oh, and you thought I was being would be
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that person. She was like, yeah, first, Sir,
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you need to take the fact that someone looked at you as an easy
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mark, and you need to think about that.
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You really need to think about that.
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Yeah. On the other hand, I can
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understand William being tired of everybody lying to him,
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everybody deceiving him, whatever.
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Whatever. Lord John, you got two young
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people in your house. Your ass shouldn't have been
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kissing nobody. Well, you know, I felt the
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moment. Too, so it's OK.
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And. I feel still have locked the
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door. But Lord John has been in the
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situations where he. Has been talking with his.
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Pants down one too many times. I know, I know.
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Like, do what? I was just saying poetry,
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though. I mean, in a minute, yeah, I'm
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gonna need he. Was I'm gonna need.
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You to hold your horses. He was.
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You used to love me. Oh, yeah.
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OK. Remember when?
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Yeah. Oh, come on now, John.
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I want you to take my time like Percy.
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Here's my thing. What did you do to him?
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Because Lord John, when Lord John loves, he loves heart.
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So what the fuck did you do to him?
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Because he didn't just stop loving you.
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He didn't just like cast you off and be like, Oh, I'm not going
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to think about him again. You did something fucked up to
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him. But I digress.
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That's that's the that's the least, that's the least of of
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the episode to me. Let's go ahead since Michelle
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has to leave in a little bit. Let's go ahead and talk about
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this Fergus bullshit because. So clearly this must be not in
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the books. It it is.
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Not OK, because I was. I was cursing your name.
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I was like, she should have told me this shit a long time ago.
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So what is happening here? You tell me everything else but
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you can't tell me this. I was mad.
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Spoiler And when I tell you this, you're going to remember
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that we had a conversation about this maybe two years ago.
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OK, so in the episode and again, we are going through book
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spoilers. So if you don't want book
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spoilers, you may want to, you know, chill out for a bit.
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Later. So in the books on RE, Christian
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is the one that dies, and he dies in much the same way he
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almost died in this episode. There is a fire.
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They are trying to escape because the boys have the boys
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have been sleeping on the roof because they go up to the roof
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to watch the stars. Fergus goes up, he tries to save
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them. He basically does the same
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thing, but Ari Christian slips, Jermaine tries to catch him.
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He doesn't. And that's what I was reading to
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Dina when you got on the call. Because in the interviews about
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the show, when, when the the showrunners and the writers have
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been asked like, why the change? They said that they did not feel
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like the death of Andre Christian would fit the theme of
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what they were trying to do with the final season.
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And then they said it's a specific line in the book that
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made them say, we cannot do this on TV.
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I'm going to read to you the last line of of what happens to
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Armory Christian. This is what is written in the
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book. The sound of his head striking
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the cobbles was the sound of the end of the world.
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No, when I read that, I had to put the book down.
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I couldn't read the book for several hours.
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I had to leave it alone because I was like, I had known that he
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had died. I had been spoiled about that,
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but I didn't know the manner in which he died.
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So when I read that and it was that I, it, it was horrible.
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And then in the books, that kind of leads into a separate, a
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separate storyline for Jermaine because he's so consumed by
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guilt that he leaves his parents.
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He goes to live on the Ridge with Jamie and Claire for a
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little bit. So you get his own part of the
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story and him trying to kind of come to terms with his his
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guilt. He thinks his mom hates him and
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just all the stuff because he couldn't save his brother.
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But I'm aware they don't have time to do that in the show, so
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they scrapped it. They even understand to a
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degree, making Fergus the sacrificial lamb.
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Yeah, I understand. You didn't have to do that.
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No. I mean, you OK, you could have
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made to the what fire dangerous. You could have made them say,
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OK, they go, they get they get through the fire and they're
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like, OK, you know what? It's time for us to go.
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Because the fact that y'all have been treating these threats and
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these letters with the joke, I get it.
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You're not. You're trying not to let people
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scare you off, but the moment somebody threatens me and talks
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about a fire at my children, my ass is on the way to the Ridge.
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Yeah. OK, so now I so I get it.
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So between the two, yes, someone actually did need to pass.
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We we this is not, you know, superhero movies where everybody
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lives now this is real life. So someone had to go.
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I prefer Fergus and baby, yeah, 'cause he already had to deal
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with stuff with younger, so we can't do that to him again.
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Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Fergus lived a full life with
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full love and children and probably got another one on the
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way to be honest with you. 'Cause they have a good time.
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Good afternoon. So the afternoon.
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If they do that, if they do that with, with Marsley, if they make
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her pregnant with Fergus gone, that I'm going to be upset about
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because in the again, in the books, they lost a child.
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Fergus is still there that they they help each other through it.
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And she actually has twins after after this tragedy.
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If they do that to her in this show, I'm going to be pissed
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because the other the other thing is, you know, and we we've
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been talking about the way that we want the show to end or
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whatever. And I literally said for the
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last two episodes, yeah, just put bring everybody back to the
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Ridge and just let them be happy.
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You get the family back to the Ridge.
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And I saw I, you know, there was a comment in one of my groups
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and they were like, well, I see what they're doing.
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They're they're steering everybody to the Ridge.
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And I get it, I said. But The thing is, everybody is
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not on the Ridge. It feels so if they if they do
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that, if they get everybody to the Ridge, because of course Ian
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and Rachel are coming back and they have an extra child.
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So I get it. The whole, you know, you lose
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one life, you gain another. You know, Claire and Jamie
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figured found out and figured out that Fanny is their
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granddaughter in this one. So I, I get the whole thing, but
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it, it felt, it felt like a cheap way out to me.
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And even Diana Gabaldon, like Parade magazine does interviews
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with her every week about the season.
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And literally I knew something was fucked up because I saw the
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kind of like the the blurb of her interview for this week and
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she was like, Oh no, they chick, they, they chickened out.
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I said, OK, they didn't kill Andre Christian.
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Who did they kill? And then that's not a chicken
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now, that's just a replacement. It's a better replacement.
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He. Said that they chickened out
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because they didn't tell the story the way the story was
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supposed to be. Told well, remember, this is a
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different turning of the wheel. So that's not fair.
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We can't one side, we can't say this is a different telling than
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the other. OK, well, they didn't do exactly
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what the books say. We can't do that because there's
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other stories that you have read that has been brushed over us,
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not even brought up to a tent. Christian storyline.
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What was this whole? The whole episode was just.
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OK, now that part was fine. Fergus Park is fine because that
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was life. And you kind of see that it was
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leading up to that anyway, because then like, oh, having
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loved a lot and oh, let's make babies and love all at the same
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time, fam, I get. That it feels like it feels like
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the scene and end game when all the women come together and
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Black Widow is missing. Yeah, I get that you're going to
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have that, but you're going to have this other people missing
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too, you know? However, what is the worst thing
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they could possibly have done is just say that faith was a lie to
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me. That's some bullshit.
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I didn't care for that. Part of the story I knew they
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were going to come up with some way.
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And then then watching it, I was like, but that doesn't explain
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the song. But then at the end you're going
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to explain the song. And then I looked at the title.
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It doesn't even make sense. Because because if Master
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Raymond. Look.
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Quote UN quote, faith to the lace maker and said her mom sang
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this song to her. That means your ass was watching
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Claire the entire day, listening to her sing that song to that
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dead baby, the baby who never woke up, whose skin hadn't even
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finished forming, whose fingers hadn't even finished forming.
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She held this baby for hours. And you want me to believe that
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this healthy baby, that you, it makes no sense.
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And I get it. They're trying to tie Fanny to
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the Fraser. So there's that whole sense of
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family again. You lost one part of your
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family. Now you got 1.
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And that's the other thing I don't like.
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You lose the adopted son, but you have now a so-called blood
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relative. It's almost like you sacrificed
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the one for the other. I don't like that.
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And then on top of that, now that means that William slept
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with his niece or his aunt. Well, yeah, Yeah, he slept with
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his niece. Yeah.
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Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, Game of Thrones, Game of
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Thrones and. No.
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Oh yeah, it wasn't. Me, yeah.
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Yeah, that, that, that see, that's what I'm saying.
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We we should have went with her parents, son from blood in my
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blood. And that's where the path led
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to. So I just, I just sat there and
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shook my head the whole entire time.
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I was like, this is some crap on crap some.
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Beautiful acting on their. Parts but that was beautiful
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like it it Yeah, think about. Jumping the shark What?
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Yeah, we didn't need that. We didn't need that.
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The clothes like it was because the thing about it, it was a lot
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when it happened during that time.
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And so it was all for nothing. All the emotions, the things
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that they went through as a couple because of that, that was
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all for nothing, right? But you had this all.
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Not only now were they separated for 20 years, their daughter was
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alive. The whole you have, that's the
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right one to find them. Yeah.
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But that's even more like, that's even more fucked up.
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And then let's not even talk about the fact that Master
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Raymond all of a sudden, like you memorize the whole song that
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she sang to the baby. Yeah.
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And it. Hurts you and was like OK well
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I'm going to come back and get her and maybe that's what the
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whole apology was supposed to be he was supposed to go back to
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get faith and bring her to her and and he didn't because he got
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caught by the king or what but the.
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The point of him taking? Her is is the other thing, like
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if you're going to tie up loose ends, tie him up, why did he
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even take her to begin with? Like what was the point of what
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he did declare? Right, Right.
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Right, unless you're going to try to say, oh, he held the baby
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after he healed Claire and and he but again, this is a book
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faint. Master Raymond has this healing
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power. The the whole there's like a
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whole blue light thing that these healers can do.
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And it's something that happens to Claire as well later on in
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the books. But it's kind of like you don't
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introduce that in the show. So all of a sudden now you
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bringing us somebody who can bring a baby back from the dead
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because that baby was dead. Yes, it was sad.
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We cried our eyes out, but that baby was dead as a doornail
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dead. And and now you going to have
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this healthy looking baby that you take to this woman.
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And then not only that, you have when the whole thing with Fanny
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talking about her grandmother being a lace maker and Jamie is
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like, oh, I think I bought lace from her once I heard a baby.
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I was like, what the fuck? Did you hear her?
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You were in prison and then they do that stuff at the end about,
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oh, I had AI had a a a lace veil made from there, and it's the
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one that she wore. I was like, OK, but even even
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with that Jamie fresh out of jail arguing with Claire, you
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going to take the time to go into Paris into a lace maker
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shop to go buy like not that really makes sense.
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You got more important things going on then you need to go buy
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something pretty for your wife to wear to the baby's grave.
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It just right. It just like y'all could have
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done some other stuff instead of bringing this this faith stuff
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in. We didn't need that.
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There are so many other things you could have been doing if you
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were going to bring it just it makes no sense.
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I can't even think clearly and speak.
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It makes no sense. It doesn't.
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Like, did we really need that? No, that's why I was like, this
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is this is I knew. I knew they were going to do it.
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Just the short though. Because I know.
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There was no figure it out. But it's just like, and one of
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the things we always say is that Claire and Jamie have lived a
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lifetime of trauma. They don't.
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And they already have this impending doom with the war
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stuff. They didn't need another tragedy
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on top of that to find out that your child was alive, raised
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without you, given information about you, was coming to search
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for you, and then died trying to come find you.
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And then? And then and your other son
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died, right So and. Who?
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Oh my God, let's stay going back.
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Like I just I just I, I was not pleased with that part of the
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episode because when they started going in that direction,
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I said, are we really about to talk about this face stuff
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again? Like like, OK, I didn't know
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they were going to go in that direction.
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Like they they really, they really tried to stick the
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landing with that and it just it, it feels faucet it, it's
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starting to go into for me kind of like a final season Game of
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Thrones, terrible Thrones. Yeah, I'm thinking that they
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they're rushing to get through it and just get it over with
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because it's over. And, and, and we spent all that
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time, that's why I was saying the first half of the season we
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dragging and now we rushing at the end to throwing paint at the
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wall. I'm very disappointed.
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Yeah, they they didn't have to do this faith storyline.
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The Fergus thing, If I sit with it, I can be OK with.
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Well, no, OK, let me let me rephrase.
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No, I'm. Not OK with it because I'm not
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OK with it, Fergus. Is about my.
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Favorite characters like from start to finish?
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Yeah. I understand though.
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That's the thing. That's the hard part.
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I understand. It's the choice between the two.
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Yeah, 'cause nobody. Wants and then here's the other
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thing, not just about having the child die, but to have it be a
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little person. And see, that's the.
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Other thing, yeah, that's the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was
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like, he's already had a hard enough life.
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Like why are? You why we had to do this?
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Again And then they were, you know, discussing, they've been
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discussing like, is he going to have a good life?
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Is he going to be OK? Is all this stuff?
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When I saw that baby, because I had already talked to Hanukkah,
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I was like, man, if they kill Henri Christian, I'm going to be
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real. She.
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Literally said that at the end, at the end last week when we
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right before we, you know, she was like, if they kill Henri
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Christian, I'm going to be mad. And I'm just sitting here like,
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because I really thought that's. What they were going to do?
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That's why I had been. Telling y'all I'm glad I didn't
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know, Yeah. That's why I had been telling
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y'all it's going to be emotional, that it's going to be
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an emotional episode. Like I knew it was going to be
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rough. OK, You didn't say.
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Though I knew immediately it was going to be Fergus.
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Yeah. Me too soon as he got.
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He. Wasn't most though.
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I see it. You know what?
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I'm so damn mad right now. So mad.
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I was so mad I couldn't even pay attention hardly well to the
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rest of the episode because I was just in.
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And I got spoiled about it. I got spoiled that it was Fergus
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not even not even 12 hours into like the episode dropped Friday
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at midnight. I did not watch it because I
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knew I was like me thinking that this is going to be Ari
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Christian's death. I was like, I can't go to bed
00:22:00
sobbing my ass off and then expect to get up and go to work
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in the morning. It's just not going to happen.
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I'm like, OK, I'm a stay off social media.
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I'm not going to look at anything.
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I'll watch it when I get home. I'm at work looking for
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something else on Google and the the the headline comes up and
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the headline literally says something like outlet look
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shocking episode Outlander tragedy as Fergus Fraser dies.
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I said you know what, I'm fucking done because now y'all
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putting spoilers in the fucking headlines.
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Like just right, any it could have been clickbaity, just oh
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death on Outlander. And then people would have still
00:22:43
clicked on it if they wanted to read it.
00:22:44
But here's the thing, and this is the thing that also makes me
00:22:47
mad about these entertainment writers.
00:22:49
You're going to, you're going to put a spoiler alert in the
00:22:53
headline and say spoiler alert such and such dies.
00:22:56
You blank out the person who dies, but then you you put a
00:23:00
picture of the fucking person with the guy.
00:23:03
Yeah. So I hate when that happens,
00:23:05
Yeah. What, like give people an
00:23:11
opportunity at least a day? It wasn't even.
00:23:17
Yeah, give us an opportunity to look at it and to be surprised
00:23:22
and to have the right emotional reaction.
00:23:25
Because yes, I cried when I watched it because again, Fergus
00:23:29
is one of my favorite characters, but I know me and I
00:23:32
know how I watch things and I know if I did not know that
00:23:36
Fergus was going to die, I'd have been sobbing
00:23:41
uncontrollably. I couldn't even have a a genuine
00:23:44
reaction because I already knew what was coming.
00:23:50
So I, so it's like the episode in and of itself made me mad.
00:23:58
And then to have it spoiled for me so that I can't, you know,
00:24:03
read it and, you know, I, I, I kind of put a rant about it on
00:24:09
threads and somebody was like, well, stay on social media,
00:24:11
bitch. I was off social media.
00:24:14
Right, right. I'm like, you didn't say you
00:24:15
got, you said you got. Right, so it was.
00:24:21
It it was just. It was and.
00:24:23
Also, why do we got a completely like bar ourselves from the
00:24:27
Internet? At.
00:24:28
All to not get spoiled like the selfishness of this time is
00:24:34
like. Everybody wants to be so, so
00:24:36
quick to be the first to say this, to have a reaction to, to
00:24:41
spoil something, to to post something.
00:24:43
It's like that even with movies, with these people who go and
00:24:47
stalk movie sets and they're posting, you know, they're
00:24:50
taking pictures from the street and they're like, oh, I took
00:24:53
pictures of the sets. I don't want to know all this
00:24:56
stuff. Let some of us be surprised.
00:24:59
That's the one. But I'm OK with you doing it in
00:25:02
your video, but don't have it as the picture and just in your
00:25:09
title, say spoilers and you have your normal picture of you and
00:25:12
the the title of the show and that's it.
00:25:15
Yeah. Because yeah, when I'm finished
00:25:16
watching it, I like to watch the videos about it afterwards.
00:25:19
I want them to talk about the same thing, but don't I hate
00:25:24
that the same thing. You have a picture of the person
00:25:26
who's being killed or whatever is happening as your.
00:25:30
Snapshot and then you like spoiler alert, such somebody
00:25:33
dies on the Ridge or somebody die.
00:25:38
I mean, and, and the other thing I think that really kind of
00:25:42
upset me about the way they did the episode because of the fact
00:25:47
that they've been focusing on Fergus's relationship with Andre
00:25:51
Christian in the last three episodes.
00:25:54
It's almost like you pulled a faint on us, like you made us
00:25:59
you, you literally gave us all this relationship and then it's
00:26:03
and and. For the book.
00:26:06
Readers, for us watching it that way, we know what's coming.
00:26:11
You know, I knew there was going to be a death.
00:26:13
I knew our it was supposed to be onri Christian In my mind as a
00:26:18
book reader, I was prepared to deal with that on the screen.
00:26:24
I was like, OK, I already know how I reacted to that in the
00:26:28
books. I know it's going to be hard on
00:26:31
on screen, but if they do it right and that was the thing I
00:26:34
was like, if they do it right, OK, let me just let me let me
00:26:39
get. And they could have left out the
00:26:40
head cracking. They could have just had him
00:26:42
fall and fade to black and then he's gone.
00:26:46
I mean, they could have done it differently.
00:26:47
If I don't want him, obviously, 'cause I, like I said, I don't.
00:26:50
I didn't want him to die. Yeah, but like that.
00:26:52
One that one done. It if they wanted to stick to
00:26:54
the story. Yeah, but that would have just
00:26:56
been devastating. Just.
00:26:58
But it's yeah, I mean, it's devastating regardless.
00:27:01
I just, yeah, so bad. I don't, I just.
00:27:04
And let me just say Lauren Lau and Sophie Skelton in that
00:27:08
bedroom scene. Which is why my eyes are still
00:27:12
red because of that scene. Really messed me up.
00:27:16
Like, oh, so just yeah, they don't have to do us like that.
00:27:25
Like, really? You gonna kill?
00:27:27
You gonna kill Fergus 4 episodes before the end of the season?
00:27:33
He could have went to the Ridge with his family.
00:27:35
Y'all could have just. OK, we do know, but again, they
00:27:39
had to make a choice. I'm OK with their choice.
00:27:43
I'm with Diana Gabaldon, she was like if y'all not going to do it
00:27:46
the way it was supposed to be done, y'all could have just
00:27:47
burnt the burnt the print shop down and let everybody live.
00:27:51
Right. Or they could have made the
00:27:53
random person who burned the print shop down get accidentally
00:27:56
messed up and then burn up with the shop, because that happens.
00:28:01
And then that that could have been that could have been
00:28:03
Ferguson Marshall is cool. Like OK, now just the.
00:28:06
Family, families, this was a core events in their life.
00:28:12
This was a core event in their life.
00:28:14
So it just happened to switch people in the family.
00:28:18
They still can have the same outcomes.
00:28:21
She's still going to have the twins.
00:28:24
The oldest can still feel like mom blames me.
00:28:28
If me and my brother wasn't up on the roof, we can still have
00:28:32
the same. If y'all can make faith be
00:28:35
alive, Fergus could have lived. He could have lived.
00:28:38
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
00:28:42
But then that's that's they should let that alone because
00:28:44
that's even devastating. That's devastating or someone
00:28:49
know that the child I thought was dead that I kind of got over
00:28:53
that I didn't get over clearly because you don't get over it is
00:28:57
then now alive, but then now dead and I can get over the fact
00:29:02
that they were alive, had kids dead and then one of my
00:29:05
grandkids is dead, right. Oh my gosh, you just made it
00:29:10
worse and. It makes it even worse because
00:29:13
they were coming to find her, so their tragedies mostly befit
00:29:18
them because they were trying to find Claire.
00:29:20
How do you? Live with that, right?
00:29:23
And I left with home pregnant. How?
00:29:26
How do who's Faith as a grown up hear about Lady Brock to Rock
00:29:33
and say oh she's living in North Carolina now?
00:29:36
Because technically speaking, Jimmy has been Lady Brock to
00:29:41
Rock for the last 30 something years.
00:29:43
I was going to bring that up about.
00:29:45
I was going to bring that up because I was like when you were
00:29:48
saying they just they, they just mixed up some did a lot of stuff
00:29:52
and just put a little something on it and try to cover it up and
00:29:54
make it a thing. Yeah.
00:29:55
No, because there's no way they know that that's who she was
00:30:00
because they were on the run when they went to Paris and.
00:30:03
Then north and then you know, I'm in North Carolina.
00:30:06
And you know, I'm in North. Carolina, where you could death
00:30:09
from who told you, right? Exactly.
00:30:13
Unless they went to visit Jenny and Jenny was like oh but I
00:30:17
don't even think even that is crazy but still.
00:30:20
Because I don't feel like Jenny would say it.
00:30:22
Because and, and again, this might be reaching, but here's
00:30:26
the thing. Remember the last time Claire
00:30:28
and Jamie went to Scotland? Claire told her family that she
00:30:34
was a time traveler. So if you just random nilly
00:30:38
Willy coming to ask about Jamie Fraser and Claire Fraser,
00:30:41
Jenny's probably going to be like, why you want to know where
00:30:44
they at? They ain't here.
00:30:46
That's all you need to know. I don't see Jenny telling
00:30:49
someone, oh, they're in North Carolina, and I don't see her
00:30:53
sharing that information. Like she's probably told people,
00:30:56
yeah, oh, they're over in the Americas.
00:30:58
They're in the colonies. But I mean, my thing is, that's
00:31:03
the only way they would know because nobody else would know
00:31:06
where they were in Paris. So like, how are they explaining
00:31:10
that? Like, yeah.
00:31:12
And how did Master? I don't remember because this
00:31:14
was a long, but like, how did Master Raymond know to call her
00:31:17
that? I don't even remember how he
00:31:18
would he. Wouldn't know that she's lady
00:31:21
brought to her out because when she when she was coming back and
00:31:26
forth to the to the shop, I think she mentioned she
00:31:32
mentioned that name to him. So he's known her as lady
00:31:35
brought to her out. But it wasn't I don't think too
00:31:39
many people in France knew her. And no, actually, I think she
00:31:42
did use that title in France. OK.
00:31:45
Because I think no, that was La Don Blanche they were calling
00:31:53
her. But yeah, I think she did
00:31:55
mention that name to to master Raymond.
00:31:58
But Even so, that whole thing like, like I love the fact that
00:32:02
he showed up at the end, but also that ending, that end
00:32:07
scene, it felt very thrown together, very rushed and.
00:32:12
Ridiculous. It didn't feel organic to to the
00:32:15
story. It it just, it didn't.
00:32:20
This whole episode was not great, but OK.
00:32:24
It it was not. It was not one of my favorites.
00:32:26
It wasn't. And then the whole thing going
00:32:29
back to Lord John and and William and Amaranthus and all
00:32:33
this other stuff, that whole thing is messy.
00:32:36
But again, the whole thing, I'm sitting here watching Percy come
00:32:40
in to talk to Lord John, to give him what information about
00:32:44
Richardson. We don't really need to know
00:32:46
about Richardson at this point. Let Richardson have gone
00:32:49
somewhere and died and be done with it.
00:32:52
OK, so you bring Percy back into the story.
00:32:55
You have this little flirtation thing with Lord John and Lord
00:32:59
John. Oh, I forgot, Michelle, I had to
00:33:01
go. But Lord John can't control his
00:33:06
hormones. And I get it, you ain't had none
00:33:09
in a while. And the last time you did it was
00:33:11
with Claire. And it was that angry grief,
00:33:13
sex, whatever, whatever. But still, you as a person who
00:33:18
has been hiding your sexuality your entire life because you
00:33:22
know, for you it means death in your time, for you to be so
00:33:31
careless when you know you have William and Amaranthus in the
00:33:35
house. House.
00:33:36
Both of them are pissed off at you.
00:33:38
Yeah. And you just in the drawing room
00:33:42
just kissing all nearly Willy like.
00:33:45
And I was thinking, so I also was thinking like, because I was
00:33:49
cussing at the TV and I was like, John, what are you doing?
00:33:51
What are you doing? But I was also trying to think
00:33:54
like, OK, he was. He had been drinking.
00:33:56
It was clear he had been drinking and so I feel like he
00:34:00
did let his guard down. But I just don't like I the
00:34:04
thing about being LGBT in a situation where you're you're
00:34:11
not out is that you don't just do things that is going to just
00:34:18
get you caught. You don't like, you're
00:34:20
constantly, constantly vigilant about who knows who you're doing
00:34:26
stuff in front of. You know where you're doing
00:34:28
stuff and and the thing and just so anybody, anybody else you
00:34:32
know, I have experience. I know what I'm talking about,
00:34:34
but you constantly have, unless you're trying to rebel and
00:34:39
trying to like be out without being out, you're not doing
00:34:43
stupid shit like that. Like that is not a thing you're
00:34:45
doing. Like there's no getting caught
00:34:47
because you're so ashamed and afraid of what's going on based
00:34:51
on, you know, your situation when you're in the closet that
00:34:53
way you're not trying to get caught.
00:34:55
There's no getting caught. I don't care.
00:34:57
I don't think there's been a time where I just was out doing
00:35:00
stuff, you know, in a way where I, me and my family would know
00:35:03
or any of those things back in the day.
00:35:04
And when I when I I wasn't like, you know, and to me, like the
00:35:10
first thing I would have done was take, if I was going to do
00:35:13
something was taking him to another room closed and locked
00:35:18
hide. I would have I would have
00:35:19
there's no way I would have just been in my living room like that
00:35:22
just made me so I was yelling, I was screaming.
00:35:24
Oh, me too. Me too, I think if if we had
00:35:27
watched that episode together like we originally planned that
00:35:31
that reaction video would have been just us yelling at the TV
00:35:34
the entire. Hour the whole episode.
00:35:36
The whole episode, because I was like, this is late 1700s, yeah,
00:35:42
there's no way they hung people. Yeah.
00:35:48
For being homosexuals in that time, that's one of the reasons
00:35:52
why he is so careful. Yeah.
00:35:55
About what he does. And so the fact that he was just
00:36:01
like that in his house. Yeah.
00:36:03
I I get it. This is somebody that you were
00:36:05
in love with. And you probably, you know, we
00:36:08
all have that one person who gonna make us not think straight
00:36:12
if they're standing in front of us.
00:36:13
I get it. But you have too much to lose.
00:36:17
Yeah. Especially not only with your
00:36:20
family, with your son. You're fucking military officer.
00:36:24
Yeah, and the British Army? Yep, they will literally hang
00:36:31
you from the gallows for that. They will, and it's wartime, so
00:36:34
they really ain't got no qualms with messing you.
00:36:37
You haven't even getting a trial.
00:36:40
Shall please no. I was so mad that he did that.
00:36:45
And then of course, here comes William.
00:36:48
You trying to play it off? Oh, and Lord John, you are smart
00:36:52
man. Oh, we're we're just talking
00:36:53
business. Your son just caught you with
00:36:55
your mouth in this man. Locking lips, baby,
00:36:59
wholeheartedly locking lips. And yes, William was out of
00:37:03
pocket. But again, this is late 1700s.
00:37:06
This is the way he's going to react because again, this is you
00:37:09
have been brought up to think that this is wrong.
00:37:13
It's a crime against God, it's a crime against your king, blah,
00:37:16
blah, blah, blah, blah. So he had the reaction he was
00:37:20
supposed to have, right? Yeah.
00:37:22
Not only that, here is yet another secret that has been
00:37:27
kept from you. So not only are you not my
00:37:29
father, but you are also, you were never into my mom because
00:37:34
you are clearly like he just I, I can imagine, like he gets on
00:37:38
my nerves because he is kind of a petulant child, but I can
00:37:42
imagine the things that just went through his mind.
00:37:44
Like, so basically, you didn't even really want to be with my
00:37:46
mom. You just or my auntie or
00:37:48
whoever. Yeah, my auntie.
00:37:50
Was it an auntie? Yeah, it was an auntie.
00:37:51
Yeah. You didn't even want to be with
00:37:53
her, so you didn't even love her.
00:37:54
Like, why? Why'd you marry her?
00:37:56
Like I could just see like all the things that was like in his
00:38:00
brain right then. And that's the thing, like when
00:38:03
Lord John, when he went off on him and I was like, oh, finally,
00:38:06
Lord John, OK, you're showing. You're showing some substance
00:38:09
because you like you look angry. Yeah.
00:38:12
I get it. Yes.
00:38:14
We have done a lot for you. We have sacrificed a lot for
00:38:16
you. Because again.
00:38:17
Yeah. Lord John, he married Isabel so
00:38:21
that he could be William's father.
00:38:23
That means that he had to stay faithful within that marriage
00:38:28
because we know the type of person Lord John is.
00:38:30
Unless he and Isabel had some kind of agreements that.
00:38:35
OK, well, I am really into you. You can go do the kind of like
00:38:39
Franken and and Claire did, you know, OK, we're not together.
00:38:43
But if you going to do your thing, you need to be discreet.
00:38:46
OK. And if they had that, then
00:38:49
that's fine. But again, this is not something
00:38:51
William knows. And it's not a conversation that
00:38:53
you've had with William. So of course he's going to act
00:38:56
out and call you names because again, here it is in a day full
00:39:01
of lies. Here comes another lie on top of
00:39:05
everything else, because he does come back from from his whole
00:39:09
ordeal with Ben. He does confront Amaranthus and
00:39:12
Amaranthus also confesses to Lord John.
00:39:16
And it's just that whole situation is messy.
00:39:20
Like, I get Amaranthus, I get her motive because again, like
00:39:25
she said, you ain't never been hungry.
00:39:29
I have. And I would do whatever it takes
00:39:31
to make sure my son doesn't go through that.
00:39:33
OK, I get it. I have no problems with that.
00:39:37
But coming from William, from his perspective, here's another
00:39:43
person who basically used him, lied to him, you know, and then
00:39:54
on top of that, you find out about your dad and dad is trying
00:39:58
to play it off by what, another lie.
00:40:00
Oh, he's just here. We were discussing business.
00:40:02
If you really, if you really wanted to throw him off, you
00:40:08
could have said this is the man who's been tracking down
00:40:11
Richardson. William might have stopped then
00:40:14
and thought about something he might have been like.
00:40:17
OK, we'll handle this later. Where the fuck is this man at?
00:40:21
It might have curtailed that, but instead you're you're so
00:40:27
like up in arms because oh, my son just caught this and now
00:40:31
you're trying to you're trying to play it off.
00:40:33
We miss tired of y'all lying to him just.
00:40:35
Stop lying to him. Yeah, it's just and and you
00:40:39
know, in in that regard, to be honest in that regard, that
00:40:43
ain't none of Williams business. But him being careless and being
00:40:48
out in the open is what is the where the real problem really
00:40:53
lies because there ain't none of his business who is daddy's
00:40:55
living with. That's his daddy business.
00:40:56
That's true like. It's just the fact that he just
00:40:59
was kissed so careless. I just felt I was so angry and
00:41:02
like, but like, I guess the thing about William that is so
00:41:05
bothersome is because we know, because we know the whole back
00:41:08
story and we know that nobody meant William harm.
00:41:12
And it's, I get it from his perspective, he doesn't see it
00:41:15
that way, but obviously we do. So it's hard for us to be like,
00:41:18
Oh my God, here you go whining again.
00:41:20
But I, I do, I do agree that he had every right to be angry at
00:41:23
everybody but that. And I also agree that Emirates,
00:41:26
I get where Emirates was coming from.
00:41:28
I just wish she had not tried to play William.
00:41:34
She thought William. She thought William was like,
00:41:37
like she said maybe she didn't think he would.
00:41:41
She didn't know if he was a coward, but she was like, oh,
00:41:44
this is somebody I'll be able to easily manipulate.
00:41:46
That's a liberal that he's not trying to go back to war, right?
00:41:50
You know? Right.
00:41:51
Because I I totally get where she's coming from.
00:41:53
You know, if everybody found out that Ben was a traitor and all
00:41:58
that, her life would have been met.
00:41:59
Her life would have been messed up.
00:42:00
Her kid forever would have been messed up.
00:42:03
Yeah, I mean you. See what happened with Marshall
00:42:05
and Fergus just for printing some of the the Patriot stuff,
00:42:10
because again, Fergus as a printer, he prints for both
00:42:13
sides and was also getting threats from both sides.
00:42:19
Yeah, so so I I totally understand why Amaranthus did
00:42:23
what she did, but. It's still lies just to get
00:42:27
lies. Speaking of him being a printer.
00:42:31
So one of the things I was going to bring up when I was with
00:42:36
Jamie was reminiscing at the end and going through Fergus's life
00:42:40
with him. And of course, I was in tears.
00:42:43
I was just thinking like, I just wonder how much Jamie feels
00:42:49
blame because he taught Fergus this trade and he taught him in
00:42:54
the way of like doing the seditious papers.
00:42:59
And he taught him all these things.
00:43:01
And it was something that, you know, he followed in his
00:43:04
footsteps because he was his father, you know?
00:43:07
And I just wonder how much of that is Jamie going to hold on
00:43:09
to because like when? He warned him about it last time
00:43:14
he was there. He.
00:43:15
Did and it's just like, is Jamie going to like feel that?
00:43:18
I kind of feel like when was Fanny when Fanny took brought
00:43:22
him to the little spot like he did for her?
00:43:25
I was kind of hoping that that maybe help ease that.
00:43:29
So maybe they don't go into that, but you know, they love
00:43:31
making people carry guilt, you know, on that on.
00:43:36
Yeah, yeah, I mean it. I'm so mad that they killed
00:43:47
Fergus. And then it's like.
00:43:49
I broke my heart. But I like the way that they did
00:43:52
it, like Jamie knew something was wrong.
00:43:54
Jamie was like, I don't know what it is, but I feel like
00:43:57
something's wrong. And then the way that Marsley
00:44:01
came in and and she gets out the thing and and she's got her
00:44:04
black dress on and they looking at her like what?
00:44:07
And and it's like you see them scanning for Fergus and he's not
00:44:11
there. Girl, when I tell you, I was
00:44:13
like, I'm not going to get through the rest of this
00:44:17
episode. Then when he's sitting there and
00:44:21
he's building Fergus's coffin, the the fact that first of all,
00:44:28
we already know what kind of condition Fergus is in because
00:44:31
Marcela has already said it. She was like, there's not even,
00:44:34
there's not even enough of him left to hold.
00:44:37
It's just ashes and bones. And then she probably brought
00:44:42
that with her because she said I need to bury my husband.
00:44:44
I need to take him home. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:44:49
And then for for Jane. Yeah, I do think Jamie will
00:44:54
probably have some guilt about that because even though, yes,
00:44:57
Fergus was wrong, Fergus wanted to, you know, support his his
00:45:02
family. He wanted to provide for his
00:45:04
family and stuff. Jamie, I feel like it's still
00:45:07
going to feel a little bit of guilt about that because what
00:45:10
was the promise he made to Fergus when he lost his hand?
00:45:13
He was like, I'll take care of you for life.
00:45:15
So he's probably going to feel like I should have just made him
00:45:18
stay on the Ridge and stay on the Ridge.
00:45:20
But you know, but Fergus wasn't doing good on and I under you
00:45:24
know, he had to let him go, let him learn to thrive, let him
00:45:28
learn how to how to make it on his own.
00:45:30
But he is going to feel a little bit of guilt about that, you
00:45:34
know? But oh, this, that just sucks
00:45:39
for me because as much as I like seeing the relationship with
00:45:45
Marceline and Brianna and how much they've built on that, I
00:45:48
don't think we saw enough of Fergus and Marcely.
00:45:51
And like, like when Rodger was sitting there on the couch and
00:45:54
he was like, I know you just lost your brother.
00:45:57
I was like, it feels hard to feel that way because you really
00:46:01
don't see Brianna and Fergus one-on-one like that.
00:46:06
Like you see the build up between her and Marcely as
00:46:10
sisters because again, Marsley was Jamie's stepdaughter.
00:46:15
But it's but it's like that this whole episode just I was like,
00:46:23
what the fuck am I watching? Like again, acting superb.
00:46:27
The the emotional notes were hitting the way they were
00:46:30
supposed to hit, but I just feel like those were emotional notes
00:46:36
we did not need, especially this late into like.
00:46:42
We were about to go to this battle or whatever it is.
00:46:47
So people are going to die. Somebody's going to die.
00:46:49
And whether it's Jamie, whether it's whomever somebody's going
00:46:53
to have to die if. Y'all kill Ian, we going to have
00:46:55
a. Problem right?
00:46:56
Let me. OK, because here's the thing.
00:47:00
And then now Marsley and her family are back on the Ridge.
00:47:07
You know, Ian and Marsley were kind of close.
00:47:10
How is Ian going to feel when he comes back and sees that Fergus
00:47:12
is gone? Him and Fergus grew up together.
00:47:17
Girl, they better not touch. They better not touch weekend.
00:47:21
I girl, I would. Especially with the fact that he
00:47:24
bringing that extra baby home. Oh my God, I just.
00:47:30
They better not touch him. I swear I'm.
00:47:32
Like Diana. Diana said they could have if if
00:47:37
y'all weren't going to do it the right way, if y'all were going
00:47:40
to chicken out, y'all could have just let the the print shop burn
00:47:43
and been done with it. It still would have made sense.
00:47:46
And it was a loss regardless. That was a loss and they would
00:47:50
have had no choice but to go back to the Ridge.
00:47:53
Right, because again, I know that Marsley was considering,
00:47:59
you know, the, the, the, the comps money or whatever, but
00:48:03
she's not going to do it because she knows Fergus wouldn't want
00:48:05
her to do. It and that's what I was like,
00:48:06
so annoyed about because I'm like because I don't know if in
00:48:10
the book like, you know, it, they end up using it or whatever
00:48:13
that ends up happening or whatever.
00:48:15
Because again, Fergus is alive in the books.
00:48:17
In the right but like my thing is like why even bring that up
00:48:21
if y'all knew y'all was going to kill him?
00:48:26
Like it's not good for anybody. It's, it's the whole, it's the
00:48:31
whole Jon, Jon Snow is the real Targaryen king with no payoff
00:48:38
type thing. Like, OK, Fergus can be this
00:48:41
great man and he can have all this stuff and these and then
00:48:46
you kill him. Like what's the whole, what was
00:48:48
the whole point? What what was the whole point?
00:48:54
I just yeah. And then for Marcel to be like,
00:48:57
what am I going to do without Fergus?
00:48:59
And she was like, yeah, I can consider that.
00:49:01
I need to be able to take care of my children, go home to the
00:49:04
Ridge, you know, your children be taken care of.
00:49:07
But everybody could have gone. Y'all could have burned the
00:49:10
print shop now. And Fergus could have been like,
00:49:11
OK, you know what? Y'all tried to burn me and my
00:49:14
kids now. No, it's time to go home.
00:49:18
He could have gone back to the Ridge.
00:49:20
They could have built him another house.
00:49:23
Emma Marsley could have had all the babies they wanted and, and
00:49:27
been done with the IT it they. And I think this is something
00:49:31
that we discussed with with Stranger Things too, because
00:49:35
we're so used to the fact that there has to be a big death.
00:49:39
There has to be a big emotional whatever that, you know, when,
00:49:44
when nobody died in Stranger Things, we were like, this is
00:49:48
strange, but OK, I like it. It still made sense.
00:49:53
Nobody had to die, even though, you know, technically speaking,
00:49:56
we don't know whether or not 11 really did die or not.
00:49:59
But still, it's kind of like you don't have to have the big
00:50:02
emotional death. You don't have to kill people
00:50:04
off in order for the story to make sense or to move forward.
00:50:08
They didn't have to kill Fergus off.
00:50:10
I mean, understand if, if, if you want to do a death, you
00:50:15
don't want it to be the baby. So the the spider man MJ saved,
00:50:19
that was great. But you didn't have to kill
00:50:23
Fergus. No, you didn't.
00:50:26
You could have had him leaning over trying to make sure his
00:50:28
kids were OK when that when that roof fell over, he could have
00:50:32
toppled over. Somebody could have called him.
00:50:35
Or he could have grabbed that rope and and and caught himself
00:50:39
anything. And then the way they did it was
00:50:42
also annoying. It was like, why would you stop
00:50:47
to look for Marshall and smile at her instead of getting off
00:50:51
the roof you knew was going to collapse, which is the point of
00:50:53
why you tried to get your sons off the roof.
00:50:55
Nobody's going to do that. That's.
00:50:56
I'm sorry. That was just that pause was so
00:50:59
ridiculous. Yeah, yeah.
00:51:02
I I Fergus should have been hauling ass and he would have
00:51:06
known to do that. I think so because I mean think
00:51:11
about it. This is not the first print shop
00:51:13
that Fergus has seen go up in smoke.
00:51:16
And not only that, he's always been a kid that knew how to
00:51:20
like, you know, maneuver, get in and out, do things.
00:51:24
He was a pickpocket. He's smart.
00:51:26
Like there's no way that Fergus would have just stood there
00:51:30
smiling. On a burning building?
00:51:32
No, especially when you knew how fast that fire was spreading.
00:51:38
I mean, you literally got up on the roof, saw your kids, turned
00:51:42
around and the stairwell was already in smoke.
00:51:46
It just, it didn't make sense to me.
00:51:50
It really didn't. If it if it was a if you needed
00:51:53
to have a death it and it needed to make sense, y'all could have
00:51:56
done something else. Fergus did not have to die.
00:51:59
No. If, if your whole point was
00:52:02
that, because again, you're talking about Armory,
00:52:06
Christian's death wouldn't have made sense for where y'all were
00:52:10
taking the show. So it looks to me like the way
00:52:13
y'all are taking the show in the eighth season, y'all are talking
00:52:17
about family, you're talking about bringing people together.
00:52:20
Here goes Marsley and the kids. They're coming to the Ridge and
00:52:24
is about to bring his other son. They're coming to the Ridge.
00:52:27
They got to start getting ready to defend the Ridge.
00:52:31
You're you're, you're making the whole final season about family.
00:52:37
And then you take away the one member who has been with that
00:52:42
family the longest. The.
00:52:47
Mercy business is. Almost the beginning.
00:52:53
It makes no sense. Yeah.
00:52:55
And that and we didn't need the the pain or we didn't need the
00:52:59
depth of like the hurt, because this whole show has been nothing
00:53:03
but death and pain and attacks and and trauma.
00:53:07
Trauma like this is literally the whole show.
00:53:09
So if they did just happen to keep all their children intact
00:53:13
and gain some new children, why was that a prop?
00:53:17
Like, why was that a problem? We don't, you don't.
00:53:19
You didn't. It didn't need to be.
00:53:21
It didn't, and honestly, and we have enough.
00:53:23
Pain. The show was about to end.
00:53:25
That's about pain. It's.
00:53:26
Enough pain and like, even with Lord John, do we really need to
00:53:29
out him to anybody? I don't feel like that was
00:53:32
necessary. And and that's the whole thing.
00:53:34
So, so the storyline that's happening in the books with Lord
00:53:37
John, Lord John is actually again, because, because the
00:53:43
whole thing with Richardson and with what may be Rob Cameron,
00:53:52
because again, we don't know the full extent of what Rob Cameron
00:53:55
can do or what he knows or why he's targeting them and all that
00:53:59
other stuff. But it has to do something with
00:54:02
the political climate there. I think they're trying to get
00:54:06
how how Gray or how Lord, whatever Lord John's brother,
00:54:14
he's trying to stop the war. He's over in Parliament, in the
00:54:19
books, trying to appeal to them like, hey, we are losing this
00:54:24
war and we probably need to go ahead and give it up if they
00:54:28
want. If, if, if the colonies want to
00:54:30
be separate, just let it go because politically it's not
00:54:34
making sense anymore. We are losing too much.
00:54:37
We are losing ground. And Richardson and his people
00:54:42
are trying to. I think they're trying to keep
00:54:45
the war going and I know that has something also something to
00:54:49
do with slavery and they're like they're trying to make sure the
00:54:53
slavery is abolished. I think if I remember correctly,
00:54:58
I don't remember, but there's some political stuff going on.
00:55:02
So Lord John in the books gets kidnapped because of he's being
00:55:10
blackmailed because of his sexual orientation.
00:55:13
So at the end of the ninth book, Percy comes to tell William,
00:55:18
hey, your dad has been kidnapped, we need to find him.
00:55:22
And Percy's like, actually trying to help William.
00:55:24
And then Percy dies. He accidentally drinks some
00:55:28
poison that was meant for somebody else.
00:55:31
And so William the at the end of the book, William is leaving to
00:55:34
go to the Ridge to ask Jamie for help in finding Lord John.
00:55:40
OK. So if you were doing all of that
00:55:44
stuff, the whole outing thing would probably be necessary.
00:55:47
The way that they did it in the show, it makes no sense.
00:55:51
Like what more drama between him and William that they didn't
00:55:54
need? No, because William has enough
00:55:57
turmoil going on in his life. Why did he need that extra?
00:56:01
And then if for whatever reason, again, we only have three
00:56:06
episodes left, so somewhere between now and then, he needs
00:56:09
to figure out a way to reconcile with Jamie.
00:56:12
OK, if he goes to the Ridge, if he meets with Jamie or if he
00:56:19
goes to make sure that Brianna is OK?
00:56:22
Because I also don't like the fact that Brianna left and came
00:56:25
to the Ridge and we didn't see anything else with her and
00:56:27
William. I don't like that because again,
00:56:30
she and William get kind of close in the books.
00:56:35
So if he comes to the Ridge have for something to do with Jamie
00:56:40
or something to do with Brianna, or he hears something about, oh,
00:56:44
there's about to be war in the Backcountry.
00:56:46
Oh, my sister is there. Let me.
00:56:49
However he gets to the Ridge, how is he going to react once he
00:56:54
finds out that Fanny is his niece?
00:56:57
Jane was his niece and regardless if he didn't know it
00:57:02
at the time, that knowledge now that oh here was something else
00:57:08
that was kept for me. Which, OK, William wouldn't have
00:57:13
any reason to know that he had another sister at this point
00:57:16
because if they think that sister is dead and him and Jamie
00:57:20
don't even talk, what would be the point of revealing that
00:57:23
information to him? That's why like when he left
00:57:27
Lord John. I don't know.
00:57:30
I'm like OK, where? Is he headed like?
00:57:33
Where is he going 'cause everybody's headed.
00:57:35
They're they're pulling everybody to the Ridge.
00:57:37
So where is William headed now? They not to the Ridge, 'cause
00:57:41
he's talking about I have no father.
00:57:43
I know, but you know, this is, this is.
00:57:46
William, he's he's up and he's down.
00:57:49
He's high and he cold. He's Katy Perry right now.
00:57:52
We don't know where that boy going to end up doing and I just
00:57:55
feel like something. I feel like he's.
00:57:59
I feel because now. That you said that was a part of
00:58:02
the storyline where they he went to Jamie for help.
00:58:04
I'm starting to wonder like if they're trying to do something
00:58:07
to get him to the Ridge, something to get him to Jamie
00:58:10
and then Brianna and Brianna, you know, and maybe that's what
00:58:14
they're trying to do. But I just can't imagine like
00:58:15
them at this late in the in the season kidnapping Laura John or
00:58:20
doing something at this point. So I don't know.
00:58:23
But then again, if if they do that.
00:58:26
If William somehow ends up on the Ridge and then now you got
00:58:29
in on the Ridge, him and Rachel coming back, you got Brianna on
00:58:32
the Ridge and all the stuff. The thing that makes me mad is
00:58:36
it's like what you're saying about the Fraser family is all
00:58:42
about blood because now Fergus is not there.
00:58:45
And again, Fergus has been with them the longest.
00:58:49
Yeah. He has been their child the
00:58:51
longest. Longer than Brianna.
00:58:54
Yeah. Because Brianna wasn't even
00:58:58
conceived when they were already taking care of Fergus.
00:59:02
Yeah, You, you get what I'm saying?
00:59:04
And so. Now.
00:59:06
He's gone. You got Brianna.
00:59:09
And yeah, technically speaking, you got Marshall up there.
00:59:12
But Marshall is also your child. By marriage.
00:59:14
By marriage. Yeah.
00:59:16
You. You're.
00:59:17
Going to have Ian and his. Family.
00:59:19
You're going to have, you know, if William ends up coming, it
00:59:24
just, it feels so wrong and so out of place because Jamie's
00:59:29
going to have all his family except for the one that stuck by
00:59:32
him the most. I have a problem with that.
00:59:36
I have a real big problem with that.
00:59:42
Yeah. That's going to be one of those
00:59:43
things that the book. Readers are going to go ham over
00:59:47
that. We're going to have to be like,
00:59:48
well, yeah, get it to yourselves, writers.
00:59:52
And and that's what that's what a lot of the discourse.
00:59:54
I've seen online people are like, well, you know, especially
00:59:57
the book readers, they're like, well, we got Diana's word so we
01:00:01
already know this. This ain't the real story.
01:00:04
So we don't know what y'all doing over here, OK?
01:00:06
Hey, that's the show. But Fergus is not dead to us.
01:00:10
He's not you know he's alive and well in the books and he gonna
01:00:14
stay alive and well cuz the fuck no.
01:00:18
Yeah, but the good thing about the.
01:00:21
Rest of the season. Is Diana Gabaldon wrote episode
01:00:25
9 and she I think she consulted on episode 10, so she has
01:00:31
something to do with episode 10. She has made it very clear in
01:00:35
all the interviews she had nothing to do with this episode
01:00:38
period. And you can tell.
01:00:42
You can tell because each even she said.
01:00:46
What was the whole point in having William find out about
01:00:49
Lord John in that way? No, that's a shock value.
01:00:54
Oh. Just for, just for shock value.
01:00:56
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, just for shock value
01:00:59
because who does that help? Nobody.
01:01:03
And. Then like is.
01:01:05
It really that y'all? Want William to be this
01:01:08
long-suffering character on the show.
01:01:10
Like I get it, he's Jamie's son, Jamie has gone through the
01:01:14
shits, but the whole point in him not being around William,
01:01:19
the whole point in him not claiming William as his son was
01:01:22
so that William can have a better life than he did.
01:01:28
And you? Don't really see evidence of
01:01:30
that better. Life for William, since we've
01:01:34
been introducing to him, tragedy upon tragedy, upon this, upon
01:01:39
that, It's just, it makes no again.
01:01:43
It makes no sense. Like, yeah, I get it.
01:01:46
This is supposed to be a dramatic series.
01:01:48
We don't need that much fucking drama.
01:01:51
Yeah, Yeah. That's.
01:01:54
And I'm sorry, we can't. We can't.
01:01:57
Expect William to become a mature, emotionally well
01:02:04
balanced young man when he keeps having to deal with all this
01:02:07
shit. Yeah, he's.
01:02:10
Definitely not going to mature especially.
01:02:13
When you didn't bring him up to deal with.
01:02:16
All of this stuff, yeah, you probably live with a silver.
01:02:21
Spoon in his mouth. To be, oh, I'm the 9th Earl of
01:02:24
Ells mirror. I have these properties.
01:02:26
I'm going to do my, my time in the service and then I'm going
01:02:30
to go home and I'm going to do whatever.
01:02:32
I'm going to find an advantageous marriage and blah
01:02:35
blah blah blah blah. You didn't prepare with y'all.
01:02:38
Didn't prepare William. For the real, for the real
01:02:41
world, and unfortunately. Those lessons have been hard.
01:02:46
For him to learn and the hits keep coming, how are we supposed
01:02:51
to expect? Him to be a a A.
01:02:53
Happy, well adjusted person. I think the only good thing that
01:02:58
has come out of all of this for him is the fact that he has a
01:03:01
sister that he actually likes. Yeah, who knows him, what he's
01:03:05
been through. And understands where he's
01:03:07
coming from. But yeah, this this episode made
01:03:13
me so. Mad I I literally like like I
01:03:17
said it was emotional. I cried because Fergus has been
01:03:20
one of my favorite characters from season 2 from when Roman
01:03:25
was playing him. I mean from the cute curly
01:03:28
headed little boy to the to the great adult like.
01:03:34
He's one of the best characters. On the show and for you to.
01:03:40
Also have him. Gone for a whole season just to
01:03:43
bring him back, just to kill him.
01:03:45
Just to kill him. So that's, yeah, like that's the
01:03:47
other thing. Like they just didn't give them
01:03:51
any time. No, just no.
01:03:55
Time and Ferguson, Marseille are.
01:03:57
Fan favorites. Like if y'all were going to do
01:04:00
some fan service, y'all could have done that.
01:04:03
Y'all could have let Fergus live.
01:04:04
Y'all could have let them go to the Ridge, let them run free,
01:04:07
let let the kids play with all the other kids that's on the
01:04:10
Ridge. They I'm mad.
01:04:17
I'm mad, that's why it. Was before, before we started
01:04:21
recording. Now we were supposed to record
01:04:23
an hour before. Dana had not had a chance to
01:04:26
watch the full episode yet. And she was like, I'm watching
01:04:29
it on my phone so we can talk about it as we go.
01:04:32
I said no, you have to watch the episode because I need your
01:04:35
genuine reaction. And she was like, no, I should
01:04:38
be OK. I don't.
01:04:39
You don't mind spoilers? No.
01:04:41
Bitch, I need you to go. Watch this show I need your full
01:04:47
attention. I need your full attention and.
01:04:49
She sent me 5. Voice notes while she was
01:04:52
watching this episode and I was like, see?
01:04:54
That's why you need. To fully watch it before we
01:04:56
start talking about it because I needed you to understand what I
01:05:03
was about to do. Because like I said, I had
01:05:05
thoughts. I realized the first probably 20
01:05:07
minutes of this recording is nothing but me ranting.
01:05:10
I'm so sorry if y'all got to hear my voice but Oh my God I
01:05:15
had like. It was just too much.
01:05:21
It was just too much. Yeah, I was so pissed.
01:05:26
And I was like, oh, I cannot wait for us to talk about this
01:05:30
episode. We need to do it quickly because
01:05:34
what did I just watch? All I have to say is we.
01:05:43
Have three episodes left for the entire show.
01:05:48
I need the writers to. Get it right episode #9.
01:05:51
I'm not worried about the OG wrote it.
01:05:53
I'm I'm not worried about episode 9.
01:05:56
I'm not worried about episode 10 much because yes, she has
01:06:02
something to do with it. But again, she has always been
01:06:05
very good about the show. Was the show the books of the
01:06:07
books? You know, she was like because
01:06:11
somebody asked her on her Facebook page.
01:06:14
They were like, is Faith alive in the book?
01:06:16
She was like, no, no. It doesn't even make sense.
01:06:23
Anyway, we I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse.
01:06:26
I need them to get their shit together.
01:06:29
I don't need any more surprises. Y'all have done your big death.
01:06:33
We don't need no more. We don't need no more of our
01:06:35
people dying before the end of this this show.
01:06:38
It's not necessary. We don't need the shock value.
01:06:42
We don't need the emotional. You know it.
01:06:46
We're already emotional. The show was about to end.
01:06:49
We're good, just so they know. They said 28 people.
01:06:52
Die. In this upcoming skirmish, and
01:06:56
one in the 28 better not be nobody from the phrase family.
01:07:01
That's all I got to say, Damon says.
01:07:04
He's supposed to be one of them, but.
01:07:05
If y'all want to talk about this, oh, oh, we brought a baby
01:07:09
back from the dead hours after she was still born, then yeah,
01:07:13
Claire better do some healing because no, we we're not finna.
01:07:17
We are not about to end this show with the death of that
01:07:21
Jamie Frazier. I know Michelle has been
01:07:23
fighting for her notebook. Notebook.
01:07:26
We don't need no. 20 years, another 20 years and then they
01:07:31
can have their they can skip forward another 20 years, they
01:07:33
can have their notebook, they can, it can be but see them die,
01:07:39
they can be on the. Ridge with their family and
01:07:42
that's all I need to see. They can, they can.
01:07:44
They can cut it out there. I don't need to see them die.
01:07:48
I feel like Fergus died. That's all.
01:07:50
That's all the death I need this season.
01:07:52
Oh, that makes me so mad. Just think about it.
01:07:55
I had to eat some chocolate to get my serotonin back up.
01:07:57
Girl, I was so down. Girl.
01:07:59
I was like, oh this is bad. I was too mad.
01:08:04
I was too mad but OK, I think I'm.
01:08:08
I think I'm OK now I've. I've gotten WOOSA, I won't say
01:08:12
I've gotten all my anger. Out because.
01:08:14
I think if I watch this episode again at any time, I'm going to
01:08:18
be pissed. I'm going to be pissed when I
01:08:20
think about it. And of course, you know, the
01:08:22
cast members have been posting their tributes to Cesar and Tiff
01:08:27
Ferguson. I'm just like, what?
01:08:32
I can't. No, I don't like it.
01:08:39
I don't like it anyway. In that, do we have any other
01:08:46
things we want to say about this atrocious episode?
01:08:51
I mean I. It's just they.
01:08:56
They could have. They could have did something
01:08:58
else. They they could think I would
01:09:00
say that I actually. Like was the fact that they
01:09:05
finally got to like get Emery this to give her truth because I
01:09:08
didn't trust her and with for good reason, but at least her
01:09:13
reason. Honestly, I can't even lie.
01:09:15
I ain't mad at her because when she told Laura John, what would
01:09:19
you do? I I ain't nothing.
01:09:20
I wouldn't do so much. What would you do with this son
01:09:23
was at home. I was like real right there.
01:09:27
Like I would sell whatever. I would do whatever to make sure
01:09:30
my kid is not hungry. And I was just like, OK girl,
01:09:33
because at first I thought it was some other scheme, but I'm
01:09:37
sorry children, your love of your child, I'm sorry.
01:09:40
And she was like, I tried to talk.
01:09:43
I tried to talk him out of rebellion.
01:09:45
I tried to talk him out of it and William was like, he still
01:09:48
cares for you. She was like not not enough, not
01:09:51
enough, not enough. For you to turn your coat when
01:09:55
you got a child. Here, Yeah.
01:09:57
You going to bring scandal on mine?
01:09:59
And I mean, it's it's almost similar to the women on the
01:10:01
Ridge with their husbands doing what they did to Jamie.
01:10:04
They're like, so you going to make a stupid decision and cause
01:10:08
us to be straight? Absolutely not.
01:10:11
Absolutely not. So yeah, I don't.
01:10:13
I don't. Blame her at all.
01:10:15
Yeah, I just, again, I just wish her plan didn't come at Williams
01:10:21
expense, because now he's doubly hurt.
01:10:24
Yeah, because now he's been betrayed by you and by his
01:10:28
cousin. His favorite cousin?
01:10:32
So again, William has been through.
01:10:35
Enough y'all leave him alone. Let this man find some happiness
01:10:39
within the next three episodes. That's all I got to say, OK.
01:10:44
That's not happening, but. That's all I got to say.
01:10:48
You got any? Final thoughts about this?
01:10:49
Episode No ma'am, I'm clear. All heart to mind.
01:10:53
Clear. I ain't going angry.
01:10:56
Angry. There we go.
01:10:58
I was going to say. I I'm not going to say I'm.
01:11:01
Clear. I'm angry but I think I've
01:11:03
gotten the majority of my feelings out.
01:11:08
So 3 episodes left. And then we'll figure out where
01:11:15
we're going from there. But.
01:11:19
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