#outlander Cunningham lashes out in anger as he faces his new reality. Jamie makes a harsh decision regarding the traitors on the Ridge. Fergus and Marsali continue to receive threats. Roger and Brianna discuss the future. William learns the full extent of Ben's treachery. Ian and Rachel find the answers they seek.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Dina and we are discussing episode 6 of Outlanders final
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season and unfortunately I don't know what it is.
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We switching off with y'all. I don't know what it is with you
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and Michelle. It's like wrangling teeth trying
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to get but everybody together. But no, it's you just got back
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from traipsing around the world. We were talking about you on the
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podcast. We like Demon left us to go just
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travel and do you have fun? OK, did you have fun?
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Yeah, it was great. It was great.
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I definitely love to travel and I love the gamble.
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Yeah, did. You make enough money for us to
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retire and do this fangirl thing full time.
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No child, but I did make enough money that they giving me free
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cruises. So that was that's good.
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I just got to pay the taxes and the port.
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Fees, but I'm like, I'll take it, you know, well, look, if you
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haven't needed a cruise buddy and Adam can't go call your
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girl, but will OK, let's I love the cruise, but let's talk about
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this episode. And I'm so bummed that Michelle
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is not here because there's because of the end stuff like if
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y'all listen to us, you know, Michelle is an end stand and I
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know I just want to know how much she cried during that scene
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at the end. I just want to know.
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So yeah, she, she had to 'cause I know I did.
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I cried both times I watched it. Listen, it's so emotional, but
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we we'll talk about that later. Let's talk about this, this
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Cunningham motherfucker, right first, baby.
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I'm so glad this man has left the Ridge now because when I say
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starting the episode with him and his bad attitude and all
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this other stung. Bro you don't came up here and
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attacked this man and then then did all this shenanigans on his
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property. Are you mad 'cause you got shot?
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And now you can't walk because of shit you did.
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You said this emotion, This man trusted you.
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He gave you the benefit of the doubt, right?
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He let you be here and you tried your best to screw him up.
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Right now you mad because you got fat, but please.
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And then you want to make it seem like What did you do to me?
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Excuse me, Sir, I saved your life.
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How about that? You're alive, right?
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You're alive. You got shot in the back, son,
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you. Should be dead.
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All of his, just his whole attitude towards what is that
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smell? You know that right there.
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I was like, you don't know what it sounds like when you go to
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the bathroom. It's no, but no.
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Concentrated. That right there was hilarious
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because I was like, brother, that is you smelling bad you.
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That is all you Boo. And it's so crazy because you
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want to feel bad for somebody in that situation because
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technically speaking, he's disabled now.
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You don't want to like just in general, you don't want to make
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fun of anybody had that kind of thing happen.
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But you know what, baby? You earn that shit.
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You earn all of the ire we are about to give you.
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Because when I tell you I've already said you were gone when
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all the stuff was happening, I said, you know what, Claire and
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Jamie are better than I am. Ain't no way this this dude
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here, Claire is good. Because I'd have been no Jamie.
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Jamie the Jamie the this is just let you know how how good of a
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person Jamie is. He could have just put his hand
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over that man mouth while he was down on the ground and went
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ahead and sniffed him on out and just and just got rid of him,
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stabbed him and he couldn't do any of that.
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He brought him to be healed. Or he could have just left him
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there with the with the woman womb he just left him.
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He could have let him bleed out. All of that and he brought this
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man all the way to his house for his wife to heal him baby and he
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and this man coming here talking smack.
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Now, I get the Mama being freaked out 'cause that's her
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son. You know, that mama's going to
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act like how mama's going to act.
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And you know, it did sound kind of messed up when she heard you
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got shot in the back. It did sound kind of messed up.
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Like, Dang, Jamie, you should be in the back.
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No, but she didn't get the whole story.
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She just didn't have the whole story.
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Which is why she was so meek and calm when she came in that
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morning. Right.
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Because she probably found out everything and she was like,
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well. Look, you can't get mad he went
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up against just like they. They had to defend themselves.
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And just like you were sitting here the night before telling
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Claire how your husband has given up his pardon and he
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deserves, he deserves to be executed, those words came back
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to bite you in the ass, didn't they?
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Yep, but it is. It's crazy, though, how she just
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felt so comfortable saying crazy stuff to Claire, but then also
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like she really do. You could tell she's going to be
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her friend. Like they were very kindred
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spirits in a lot of ways, but like she also just was like
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saying little nasty little stuff like bam, you need to watch how
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you talking to me. Listen, karma is a bitch and.
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She collected that check. He did 'cause now she got a
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baby, a whole new newborn to take care of and he gonna be a
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nasty one, 'cause he go, he gonna be mad at her too, 'cause
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that's what happens when people get hurt.
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And it's not, you know, to say something bad about people in
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general. But like, when people get hurt
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and they can't do what they used to do, they get bitter about it
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a lot of times. And he is clearly gonna be a
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bitter man, basically. It's that misplaced.
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Anger. Yeah.
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So I hated for her whole life. Gonna be hard back back home,
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yeah? Because they do.
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And I think the only, I think the only person who made me who
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So there were a lot of people who irritated me in this episode
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aside from Cunningham, that doggone was his name Campbell.
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Listen. So, I mean, I was like, OK,
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Jamie was trying to call on people.
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He was trying to make sure he has some backup.
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I get it. I have a feeling that's going to
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be a, look, that's a phone call that Jamie is going to record
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regret. Yeah.
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Because I still don't trust this dude.
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Like, yeah, you came, you heeded the call, you came, whatever.
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Part of me feels like he did it because he wanted to say I told
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you so. And you did end up needing me
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because the way he's coming at him all the way that you were
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talking to me last time, I should have just let your ass
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hang, blah, blah blah blah blah. For all it's worth.
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You got here late, so I didn't really need you anyway.
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But. I mean, they didn't, they did,
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they did take care of some people, you know, that work
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where Jamie was. So at least they did that.
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My thing is, bro, like you was going to do that anyway.
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Like you wanted to, to go kill the Tories anyway.
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So it's not like I asked you something you wasn't already
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trying to do. The only difference is I'm like,
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you could do it on my land now. And and the question is, where
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did you bury these bodies? And is this gonna blowback on
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Jamie? That's my concern.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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I know you did it. But Josiah was with him.
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Yep. And, you know, he he has no
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qualms about the man he killed. They said it was almost 20 men.
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And he was like, dead man don't tell tales.
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Buck was like, oh, yeah. You seem like you have a real
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hard time with it. I was just like, I just.
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The black people look. He was like after the fact.
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Right. I just feel like I have a
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feeling that's going to come back and bite him in the ass
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'cause I don't trust this dude. Like, yeah, you came in, you
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saved the day. Y'all have a little bit of a
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talk, but especially with what happens later on in the Ridge
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with Jamie banishing the men and then deciding to let them stay
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but you know, transferring ownership of the land in the
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homes to the wives. I just like, I understand what
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Jamie is doing and I understand, I understand compassion.
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I understand empathy, and I understand, you know,
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unfortunately, these women are kind of, at this point, held
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hostage to their husbands because women can't own things,
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or at least they couldn't really own things as much here.
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I mean, we saw Mercy Woodcock, but that was also one of the
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larger cities, and it's in the north.
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So, you know, I can understand Jamie having some leniency,
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having showing some mercy. I just don't know how that's
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going to come back on him. Yeah, because again, even with
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even with Cunningham out of the way now on his way back to
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England, he may still have allies in the Ridge or around
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the Ridge. And of course, whoever this
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militia was the, I think they said it was the 92nd or the 96th
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when these men don't come back, right?
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Somebody's going to be looking for them and they're going to
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come looking in the general direction that these men were
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were headed in, right? So it's like, as much as as much
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as I want Jamie and Claire to have some peace on the Ridge, I
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don't think it's coming. And again, I think Jamie, he's
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going to have to, he's going to have to pull Red Jamie out of
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the bag for a little bit to let these folks know you can't you,
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you not just going to be fucking with me and my family, you know?
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Yeah, that's that's the thing. Like I really, I, you know, when
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I was watching, I was like, Jamie, you know, I'm a I'm, I'm
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ASAP. So when the ladies was like,
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look, we didn't know, please don't punish us.
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Don't punish the bear. Like please, I was like, Jamie,
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I know you, you going to have a heart and you going to let these
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women take over Because I'm like with Claire, I know Claire
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talking to your ear and trying to convince, you know what I'm
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saying? Like I was like, go get the
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women the contract instead of these men because you can't
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trust these men. But like at some point, although
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he like Cunningham even said that he had people that Jamie
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didn't even realize who was basically still loyalists that
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were on the Ridge. So maybe they didn't fight then,
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but maybe they're just waiting like a sleeper cell on the Ridge
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to pop off, you know? And I hate it 'cause like,
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they're not gonna, you know, listen to these women that have
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the power right now. I mean, the husbands have no
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choice. You either shut up and go with
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it or you leave, right? But people from the outside
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ain't about to listen to these women.
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Look how listen to that Campbell, how he treated Claire.
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It's her property. Yeah.
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And he came on there talking smack, you know, So I just, I do
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worry about that. That is a good point that this
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is going to be some drama. And then not only that.
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So the fact that you gave the women the land and you have now
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made them the owners and you've told the husbands, yeah, I'm
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about to tear up your deeds and these are going to your women.
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And he tells the women he's like, if you want, if you want
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your husband to stay and and help you work the land and do
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all of that, that's on y'all. But if he but if he if he acts
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up again, he's a dead man and y'all are off my land.
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Basically. And Hiram Crombie, he's so
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crazy. He was like, but but Jim was
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like, I didn't tell you, you could you had to stay.
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You have a choice. But I think the other thing that
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worries me about this decision is as much as the decision was
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justified, right, You still embarrassed and emasculated
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these men in front of the whole group.
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And I have a feeling some of these men, even though they
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understand that they deserved it, they're still not going to
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take, you know, they're not going to take it lying down.
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At at least I don't think they will.
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So even if they don't actively do anything against Jamie, they
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can still sow some seeds. You know they just not.
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Help just not back him up when the time come.
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You know, yeah. I mean, Crombie seemed like he
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was very, you know, you know, like his heart was pricked and
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like he was very like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't.
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I just, I don't know. I was scared.
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But none of the other ones said anything.
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He the only one that was contrite when he talked to Jamie
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and came and was trying to beg and stuff.
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Nobody else said anything. So you don't know what they got
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planned. But but he's also the one who's,
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out of all of them, who's known Jamie the longest.
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So it's like the fact that you were one of the people that
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betrayed him. You've been around the Ridge
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long enough to know like you were there in the beginning if
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I'm not mistaken. Yeah, probably.
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Is he a oz near man? I can't remember if he is a.
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Man, I don't. Think he's an Oz?
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Near man, it's hard to remember. Remember, is he one of the IT
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was he one of the Fisher folk that came in early or was he
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just one of the other settlers that would that they got from
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like Wilmington? I think it's been one of the one
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of the settlers. But either way it goes.
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You've been with you've been with Jamie long enough to know
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Jamie. Don't play about his fucking
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family. And the.
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Fact that you're trying to you're trying to kill him and
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not only just for him, not only not only for Claire.
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Jamie has these children in this house now his his daughter and
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his son are back. His grandchildren are there.
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He has Fanny. You can you can do what you want
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to a person as an adult once what you do threatens a child.
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Yeah, especially a child in their care, especially after
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what Fanny has already gone through.
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And Jamie was like, oh, you're not about to have to worry about
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nothing. I'm going to take care of you
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and and the people that you have entrusted to live on your land
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is coming. And oh, absolutely not.
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You deserve that dressing down. But again, I feel like it's
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going to it's going to have a negative effect.
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Yeah, this is the part that's so hard.
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Like, it's crazy. They used to be able to do stuff
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like this back in the day and keep people in line at all
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really, 'cause it was so wow. Like we just, we just living off
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in the forest and then like a clearing in farmland.
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And it's not really like you have fences or gates or anything
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that you could keep people out with.
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Like it's just open, you know? And the fact that people kept
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any kind of order back in those days is crazy to me, 'cause we.
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Can the fact that you can dispense your own justice?
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Oh, and that part too, like, nobody is even saying anything
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that, well, I guess 'cause they're not technically no cops
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could really, like, do anything at this point, but like freaking
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Campbell hanging people in trees, like just hanging folks
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and they nobody said nothing. Like what?
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Yeah. They just like, oh he crazy.
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We need to stay away from him. I.
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Would for sure, but it's what did she say?
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What they say call for the devil and devil will appear or
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something like that. What the hell?
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That what I'm saying and he is the devil.
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And I think that's that's also going to be a problem for Jamie
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once word gets back to Campbell that, oh, you didn't kill the
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man who betrayed you. You didn't kill Cunningham.
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You let Cunningham go off to England.
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Now granted, the man is paralyzed, not here, do nothing,
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but his mouth still work. Yeah, his mouth still work.
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He knows the inner workings of things.
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Like you said, he probably got friends still out there lurking
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around. Let him.
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You can't let your enemies live. I learned that from What Is it
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Donnie Brasco? Al Pacino said.
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Or no, not Al Pacino. But yeah, Al Pacino, I think,
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said that like you can't let your enemies live because they
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always come back in the end and get you back.
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Especially in that time when there is no law and order, when
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there is, like when you're out in the Ridge.
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And I mean, basically Jamie is judge and jury in in Fraser's
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Ridge. I mean, it's his land.
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Yep. He's the owner of all of that
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stuff. Yeah, you you got some land and
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you pay your rent. But he's the landlord.
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He you know what? He can kick you off at any time.
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You don't own him. He told him he was going to pop
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him, pop a cap in and if they came back, what?
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Y'all got 10 days, get out. Don't come back.
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If I see you, you're dead. And not only that, he went and
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hand look, he went and handed stuff.
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Look that you know what that reminded me of him going.
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I just said I don't know why he gave me like this man start my
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where it's like you do the executions yourself kind of
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thing. He's like I'm delivering each
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one of these letters myself. So he holds No I've.
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Got it from right. And then with Hiram, he was
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like, yeah, so you got to go. Hiram, looking at the store, he
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was like, yeah, the Benchley twins are about to take over
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this. They go take this over.
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Oh, oh, well, what was dumb is he basically let Cunningham just
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come in and railroad him and like, you know, just run it
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basically. I mean, So what difference does
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it make, right, you know? I mean, your name is on.
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And you know, Cunningham, Yeah, he probably has some skills and
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or he, he was the one who financed it.
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I think that's what it was. Yeah.
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He was the person who was backing it.
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But you know what? All money ain't good money.
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Ain't good money and you just. Learned this the hard way.
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Why? Is that what what we was talking
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about? No, I'm sorry, I was.
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I was talking to y'all, but y'all couldn't hear me when
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y'all was discussing the last episode about Fergus.
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All money ain't good money. Yes, Yes, ma'am.
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But it's but it's just like, and I understand that probably was
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part of the pressure for Hiram. You know, it's like, Oh well, he
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back this up if he takes his money out or if I go against
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some, he might, you know, Cunningham could probably self
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sabotage the, you know, the the trading store.
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What? I understand that.
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Yeah. But The thing is, you got to
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count your calls, dude. What's more important to you,
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your store or your reputation? Because now everybody on their
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page. Know you a traitor, right?
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Yeah. And your family's, like,
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involved. Just imagine, you know, people
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mad at you because what you did take it out on your child or
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your wife or whomever because of you.
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Crazy or treat your treat your family differently or your
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family about to be put out on the street.
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Oh, you about to have a hard time at home, son?
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You got to have a hard time because all of them, women,
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looking at them like you threatening our livelihood, you
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threatening our children with having a safe place to stay.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's about to be
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rough on that. Ridge for for a little bit.
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For a little bit, yeah. But again, I need Jamie's folks
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to hurry up and come on home 'cause I need him.
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I need him to have his posse when shit start going down.
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Because again, I don't trust Campbell and I don't think this
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is the end of all of this stuff that that they're about to go
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through. So yeah, he needs to have his
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people around. Everybody goes.
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Rihanna, them gone. Ian gone.
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Like everybody gone. Right.
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Yeah, right. Yeah, I need to come back home.
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But Speaking of Ian, let's go ahead and talk about this by the
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way, because. About Rachel, let's just talk
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about how Rachel down like folk flags hot like Rachel is.
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First of all, she always been like the realist.
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Yeah, like she always been the realist.
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Like I ain't even go. Her and her brother heard look
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cute. There's a He's so cute to me, I
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love. I love him.
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He was just hilarious. I love him.
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He was funny. I was looking at that laughing.
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Poor William, He was just like, what?
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But yeah, like Rachel is is she's got, she's a Quaker.
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And you know, they believe in peace and they believe in all
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these things. But when I tell you Rachel, she
00:22:11
is smart. She understands what light like,
00:22:15
look, I'm going to do what I got to do from for my husband to
00:22:19
have peace so that I can have peace, right, Because I just I
00:22:23
need this for myself. I need to know this for myself
00:22:25
and I want him to also know. Like, it ain't too many women
00:22:28
would have been like, yeah, let's go find out if your baby
00:22:31
Mama alive. Yeah, and then also for her to
00:22:35
have that inner turmoil because like she said, I didn't, she
00:22:37
said. I didn't know I could feel
00:22:40
jealous like this. I didn't know I had this in me.
00:22:43
And so the fact that she was willing to to sit with that and
00:22:47
confronted and be like, look, I got to go see if I'm the woman
00:22:51
that he fell in love with or if I'm something else.
00:22:54
I got to, I got to make sure. And, you know, I also like the
00:22:58
fact that they did address all of this because, yeah, it's easy
00:23:04
for Ian to say, you know, I don't love her anymore.
00:23:08
I don't want to be with her anymore.
00:23:11
That's all fine and good. But it's different when you see
00:23:15
that person again, especially in such emotional circumstances.
00:23:19
Like, you thought this woman was dead.
00:23:21
That could have brought up a whole bunch of stuff that you
00:23:23
didn't know you still had in there.
00:23:26
Right. No.
00:23:26
Yeah, totally. So the fact that they actually
00:23:31
get a chance to to meet with Emily and come to face face to
00:23:35
face with her and confront everything, confront all the
00:23:40
feelings. Because I'm sure Emily probably
00:23:43
had that as well too. Like, she probably felt a little
00:23:46
comfort with Ian and I don't know, maybe she even thought
00:23:50
when she found out he was there because of what happened with
00:23:55
the attack, because Caheritan is dead.
00:23:57
He was one of the he was one of the men who went to respond to
00:24:03
the chaos and he was killed. So now she's a widow.
00:24:07
So the information she gave them about having the dream where her
00:24:12
son was, you know, captured and he was made it to a soldier and
00:24:16
he died. Maybe at some point there was a
00:24:20
part of her who thought maybe Ian would come back now, you
00:24:23
know, And then when she sees him and she sees he has not only a
00:24:28
wife, he has a brand new baby, maybe that was the closure she
00:24:32
needed to as well. Yeah.
00:24:35
You know, I think both of them needed that, that real closure
00:24:38
because it's got to be, it's got to be a lot of turmoil and even
00:24:45
confusion. Like, you know, the relationship
00:24:47
is over, especially with the way that it ended.
00:24:50
But we also know at the time, neither one of them really
00:24:54
wanted that relationship to end. They really, really loved each
00:24:57
other. But she was probably also being
00:25:01
pressured by the rest of the tribe.
00:25:03
Like, hey, this guy keeps giving you babies that don't make it
00:25:07
y'all. Y'all maybe shouldn't be
00:25:09
together. And maybe that was why I, that
00:25:15
may have been why she also chose Cajaraton because that would
00:25:19
have probably have been the only way that Ian would leave because
00:25:23
that was his closest friend there.
00:25:25
So it's kind of like, OK, let's just go ahead and make this
00:25:29
break. And then of course, after he
00:25:30
leaves, she finds out she's pregnant, which Diana Gabaldon
00:25:36
keeps saying every time she talks about that, she keeps
00:25:39
saying stuff like what? In the show, they are hugely
00:25:43
implying that that is his son. Like they're they're confirming
00:25:47
that's his son. Like she's trying to say that
00:25:49
that's not the implication in the book.
00:25:52
And I understand that it's vague in the book, OK, She doesn't.
00:25:57
They don't implicitly say this is Ian's son.
00:26:01
But his description, the fact that he is blonde, the fact that
00:26:06
he looks like Ian, it's kind of like come.
00:26:11
On now what? So what you trying to say she
00:26:14
was a hoe and it was another white boy, another white boy,
00:26:17
you know? So it's just kind of it's it's
00:26:21
weird to me, but the I think they needed that closure
00:26:27
together, you know? And then the fact that she says,
00:26:31
Hey, I'm scared. Can you take him with you?
00:26:35
Can you do your part and raise him now?
00:26:37
Because yeah, keep him safe. Because I mean, she just, she
00:26:42
literally just escaped the massacre.
00:26:45
They could have been. And she has a whole other child
00:26:48
that she has to think about as well.
00:26:50
Yeah, and to be dreaming about it and prophetic dreaming about
00:26:53
it enough, that enough time, she said.
00:26:56
Twice. So enough times that it must
00:26:57
have been a need. It it was a need.
00:27:00
You need to get your son out of here, right?
00:27:02
You know, and she was like, and I've prayed and now you're here.
00:27:06
And you're here. Oh my God, girl, what did I tell
00:27:08
you? The tears, The whole.
00:27:13
And then when when swiftest of lizards comes into the room with
00:27:18
his puppy and the first thing he he goes straight, where's the
00:27:20
baby? I don't even know if he knew
00:27:23
that that was his baby brother. But he goes over to the baby and
00:27:28
he looks and he was like he was like, yeah, this is our puppy,
00:27:32
my brother. We we all should.
00:27:34
I was just. I was.
00:27:37
I was through. That baby.
00:27:39
Oh my gosh. I was through and then the way
00:27:43
he he interacts with Ian and when he goes over to Rachel and
00:27:48
he grabs her hand and he kisses her palm and just girl, I was
00:27:52
sobbing. I was.
00:27:53
Sobbing. It really also gets me because
00:27:57
this little child that's playing this character is exactly like
00:28:03
Stephanie Sun Forest. He's loving like that.
00:28:06
He has a long hair. He's a hugger, and he's super
00:28:10
sweet. And so every time I watch this
00:28:12
scene, this little boy comes in and he's just like, like, OK,
00:28:16
you my new Mama. And like, he's just good with
00:28:19
everything. Like, he's like, OK, that's what
00:28:21
we doing, you know? And he's just so easy.
00:28:24
And it's just like, Oh my God, he's surprised me of somebody.
00:28:26
I don't realize, you know. And then the fact that his puppy
00:28:31
is Rollo's grandson, Oh my God, that dog is big now 'cause they
00:28:38
were like, yeah, we filmed this a couple of years ago.
00:28:40
That dog is huge. But the dog was so beautiful.
00:28:44
And it it was like a full circle moment because.
00:28:48
You get. You get Rachel and Emily like
00:28:52
instead of them going through and they have the discourse with
00:28:57
each other And Rachel was like, you know, he will always be your
00:29:02
son. But I, I accept, you know, I,
00:29:06
I'm so grateful for the fact that I get to be his mother too.
00:29:09
And he will always have a place at my heart and he will always
00:29:12
have a girl. I was sobbing and it was even it
00:29:15
was even more beautiful, beautifully written in the book.
00:29:20
OK, if I remember correctly, again, I've only read that book
00:29:23
once and I think that was the book I like.
00:29:25
I read that book in 24 hours. That's like an 800 and something
00:29:28
page book. I read it in one day.
00:29:30
I was like, I wouldn't put it down.
00:29:32
But the the way that it happens in the book is because Rachel
00:29:39
and and Ian, they kind of leave, but Rachel comes back at night
00:29:44
to speak to Emily alone and they have this conversation.
00:29:48
So everyone that she was telling Joseph Brandt about how she was
00:29:51
feeling and all this other stuff.
00:29:53
I, if I remember correctly, she had that conversation with
00:29:56
Emily. So both of them kind of shared
00:29:59
with each other their own insecurities as far as it comes
00:30:03
to end and how he sees both of them or how he relates to both
00:30:08
of them. And it's kind of like, well, you
00:30:10
are his first love. I'm scared that he may still
00:30:12
love you. Well, you are his new love.
00:30:14
I'm scared he will forget about me and us and you know the
00:30:18
child. And it was such a beautiful
00:30:22
moment. And they couldn't do it exactly
00:30:25
that way in the show because of time.
00:30:27
But I think, I mean, they really nailed it.
00:30:30
You did a. Good job because the actress who
00:30:32
plays Rachel. Like her, I love her.
00:30:36
Her like her ability to emote is like anytime she tears up, I
00:30:41
Dang near want to tear up because she just gives you that
00:30:44
feeling like it's real, like whatever is happening, it's so
00:30:47
real to her. And the fact that they it's
00:30:48
funny because when what's called I forget his name, you said his
00:30:51
name a minute ago, but the other guy who was the rich guy, Joseph
00:30:54
Brent, Joseph Brent, his wife basically was like, think of how
00:30:59
things with being women just ran things.
00:31:01
And that's like, Ian, just shut up, back the way.
00:31:04
Let the women handle that thing. You know what I'm saying?
00:31:06
Because yeah, you could want your son and you could you could
00:31:09
want to raise your son, but you married to a whole nother woman
00:31:12
who got y'all got a whole other family now.
00:31:15
So the fact that he just was like, hands off, let the women
00:31:17
talk about it. Let them decide.
00:31:19
Because that's the thing like you have to come to me as a
00:31:21
woman if you want me to raise your child, because that's
00:31:24
what's essentially that's what's going to be the thing, right.
00:31:27
If you go technically be and it's going to be the Mama
00:31:29
because that's what they used to do to women back in the day.
00:31:31
And the fact that this woman in her heart, she yes, she might
00:31:36
have been jealous and a little worried that her man might try
00:31:39
to dip or whatever she was feeling, which is valid.
00:31:42
But she also saw this woman's pain and mother seeing other
00:31:47
mothers pain and feeling what other mothers feel, that is that
00:31:52
right there. You cannot beat that like that.
00:31:54
What I say, just the way they just looked in each other's eyes
00:31:57
and it was tearing and mother to mother that just, Oh my God,
00:32:03
that whole exchange was amazing. It was.
00:32:06
Beautiful And then Emily says to end she was like, well, you
00:32:10
named my son, please allow me, you know, please allow me the
00:32:13
same. And she goes over.
00:32:14
She looks at the baby and she comes to them.
00:32:16
She's like his name is Hunter. They were like, wait, what?
00:32:20
Because, you know, that's Rachel's old, that's Rachel's
00:32:23
maiden name. And it was she say you must be
00:32:27
led by the Spirit, because that name has significant meaning.
00:32:30
For it difficult meaning more than one meaning.
00:32:33
It was so beautiful. Yeah.
00:32:35
Because, I mean, she was a hunter by name.
00:32:38
Ian is a hunter. He's a hunter and his spirit and
00:32:41
his soul. It's just, it was such a
00:32:45
beautifully done scene. And I just felt like, I also
00:32:51
like the fact that she finally did allow herself to be
00:32:54
vulnerable in front of Ann because like she said, she said,
00:32:57
you have me on such a pedestal. I feel like I can't make any
00:33:00
mistakes, but I have to. I have to tell you how I feel
00:33:06
that this worries me because you know what was that?
00:33:10
I think Joseph Brent said something to him about about him
00:33:16
leaving. He was like, Oh yeah, you don't
00:33:18
have any right to check on them. You left.
00:33:19
And Ian was like, it wasn't. I didn't want to leave out.
00:33:24
They made me leave, what are you talking about?
00:33:26
Right. And so there was that unspoken
00:33:28
thing there where he was like, I would still be there if if I
00:33:33
hadn't got kicked out. And it's kind of like in
00:33:37
Rachel's mind, yeah, that on the one hand is like, oh, he would
00:33:41
have stayed with her. But at the same time, you know,
00:33:44
realistically it's like, OK, but you can't think that because, I
00:33:49
mean it's. Not what happened, it just.
00:33:52
It just, yeah. Yeah, And you know, that thing
00:33:55
about their whole exchange, too, that I really love about this is
00:34:00
so she's a Quaker. She has a whole belief system.
00:34:04
She's a Native American. She has her whole belief system.
00:34:07
But the one common thing was whatever this spirit is is
00:34:12
leading us in this direction. And nobody's like, oh, but you,
00:34:16
your spirit ain't my spirit, so your spirit must be evil or
00:34:19
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like when she said the spirit
00:34:21
must have led you, you know, she didn't immediately be like,
00:34:25
well, I don't think it's the same spirit as you got.
00:34:27
You know, I, I just, I love that so much, just so much about that
00:34:31
kind of stuff, because it's all these different cultures
00:34:33
blending in this show and there are those that are just like,
00:34:37
what was that family? The that was.
00:34:40
The Christies, the. Christies, James, I, Mary and
00:34:43
Joseph, girl, I was so tired. I was, the Christianity was
00:34:47
killing me. I was tired, you hear me?
00:34:50
And so it's just such a breath of fresh air to see them just
00:34:53
kind of mingling together and the spirit just being universal
00:34:57
and it's speaking to you and it's speaking to you and y'all
00:35:00
are feeling the same. You know what I mean?
00:35:01
Like y'all are respectful and still loving to each other
00:35:04
because I feel like like that's what it's supposed to be like.
00:35:07
Right. You know, exactly.
00:35:09
Exactly. Yeah.
00:35:11
Yeah. And nobody's doing harm,
00:35:14
nobody's harming each other. Everybody's in love.
00:35:17
I might have been a little jealous of you, but what I
00:35:19
realized is we are the same, you know?
00:35:22
We're just mothers who are trying to take care of their
00:35:25
children and and have their family be safe and we are, we
00:35:29
are the same, you know. And at this point, it's not
00:35:32
about me and it's not about you. It's about them, the little
00:35:35
ones, the little ones, you know, so.
00:35:37
When she was like. Will you take him with you?
00:35:40
Yeah. Immediately she's like, of
00:35:43
course I will, you know, like, come on, come on.
00:35:47
And especially, especially after the way that little boy came in,
00:35:51
he didn't even see the grown-ups.
00:35:52
He went straight to the baby. I think Rachel knew she was
00:35:55
like, OK, you know what? He's gonna take care of him,
00:35:58
brother. Yeah.
00:36:00
He gonna take care of him. Yeah, you got a Big Brother now.
00:36:05
Excuse me, Hunter. Hunter I love that so much.
00:36:10
I was just like, and it's so cool because I, I like, I'll
00:36:14
name you. I would name your son.
00:36:17
It's such a, such a ritualistic thing.
00:36:19
Like to, to name, naming kids is special, you know, like I, I
00:36:23
know some people got some names where, you know, it wasn't, it
00:36:25
wasn't terribly special for them, but you know, I'm named
00:36:28
after my grandma. She was named after her grandma.
00:36:31
It's a ritual. And so for somebody to put their
00:36:34
heart to give you a gift to name your child like that stuff.
00:36:37
Oh my God. Like that whole scene just was,
00:36:40
I don't know. That's my favorite part about
00:36:41
that whole episode. It was such a good, it was such
00:36:44
a good scene. And I was like, you know what?
00:36:47
This was one of them. That was one of the moments that
00:36:50
I was looking forward to the most in this season.
00:36:53
Like, there's certain things that happens in the books.
00:36:55
And I was like, I need them to nail this.
00:36:58
I need them to nail this. I need them to nail this.
00:37:02
They nailed it. They're doing.
00:37:04
Their thing. They nailed it.
00:37:05
It was so good, so emotional. I was bawling, crying.
00:37:10
I was like, oh, I know Michelle is a puddle right now, so I
00:37:14
can't wait to talk to her about it.
00:37:16
I know she was a mess. So yeah.
00:37:21
What? OK, So OK, you got your son,
00:37:24
y'all you you got this straightened out.
00:37:25
I need you to hit your ass back. Now get back to the Ridge,
00:37:29
right? Get back to the New York, Like
00:37:31
New York or something. Like, how far up are they?
00:37:33
New York? Yeah.
00:37:35
So they got a lot of traveling to do.
00:37:36
They do, They really do. Oh my God.
00:37:40
But OK, so let's see, let's let's, let's talk about William.
00:37:47
Are we going to win first? OK.
00:37:49
Because we the whole William and Ben thing is so funny to me.
00:37:55
Well, it's it's funny and it's not funny because I know you
00:38:00
watched the episode that we did. Why the episodes that we did?
00:38:03
Why you were gone? One of the things that Michelle
00:38:06
is saying, she wants William to to fall in love with someone
00:38:09
who's not taking and she doesn't trust Amaranthus.
00:38:12
And we were both wondering, like, did Amaranthus know?
00:38:16
And I was saying, yeah, I think she I think she knew that Ben
00:38:21
wasn't alive. So to have Ben confirm that in
00:38:26
this episode and to do it so nonchalantly, like, I know
00:38:30
William wasn't really like, giving off like, Oh, yeah, I got
00:38:34
a thing with your wife going. Right.
00:38:37
Still, it's kind of like you're talking to William and and
00:38:42
William is asking you like, how could you betray your family and
00:38:46
da da, da, da, da. We thought you were dead.
00:38:48
And he didn't say. He said, what do you think my
00:38:50
father would wish he would rather me dead or rather me be a
00:38:53
friend? No house going to say he should
00:38:56
he should be dead because that's just how they were back then.
00:38:59
It's like your loyalty was more important than your life.
00:39:03
Yeah, and not to mention, if they find out he traded from the
00:39:07
other side, the RP go come after him, you know?
00:39:11
So it's not even, you know, just the family, really.
00:39:15
Like, he can't tell everybody he's somebody, you know?
00:39:17
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:20
But that shit made me laugh so hard because when he started
00:39:25
spilling the beans and talking about Amaranth this nude and it
00:39:28
was her idea, I started laughing because William's face was like
00:39:32
bro what? What Now?
00:39:36
She trying to make me marry her and she doesn't set this whole
00:39:39
thing? Up.
00:39:39
Let's see if William sit there and think about it.
00:39:42
That's the reason why she was like, Oh yeah, we can get
00:39:45
married. Oh, but no, we don't have to get
00:39:46
married right away. Let's just try it out and see.
00:39:49
Yeah, let's just have, let's just, you know, see if I get
00:39:52
pregnant, let's see what happens.
00:39:54
What right in the 1700s? It's a trap.
00:40:02
What are you doing right? He's so he's so naive, like and
00:40:07
gullible. I don't understand how at this
00:40:09
point he is still so naive and go.
00:40:11
I just don't get it. I don't get it.
00:40:13
You know what? I'm going to tell you why?
00:40:15
I'm going to tell you how. Because for all of for all of
00:40:19
everything that William has gone through, like Michelle said,
00:40:22
William was raised with a lot of love and I think it's just in
00:40:28
him to think the best of people. He didn't start drinking again
00:40:35
'cause when he was drunk he told his daddy off about that girl,
00:40:38
'cause he didn't trust her. Now here you.
00:40:40
Go, go marry her. Listen.
00:40:45
And then when Ben starts saying wait, what do you have to do
00:40:48
with Amaranthus? Why are you asking about it?
00:40:49
We was like. But my thing is then you have no
00:40:58
right to be punching anybody because guess what?
00:41:00
You left her. Yeah.
00:41:03
You left her? Not unless y'all had some kind
00:41:06
of understanding about oh OK I'm gone I'm a traitor but you still
00:41:12
my wife right? Right.
00:41:14
Then. You.
00:41:15
Have no right to get mad at will because how was William supposed
00:41:20
to know William? Think he did right?
00:41:23
Yeah. So it would be it would be
00:41:26
different if he knew you were alive and he started sleeping
00:41:28
with your wife. But you dead.
00:41:30
All bets are all. Right.
00:41:32
I mean, yeah, what you going to? Do about your wife though, it's
00:41:35
your wife up here scheming what you going to do about her
00:41:38
throwing it around, slinging it around talking about we just
00:41:41
going to try. Listen, but the fact that Ben
00:41:45
got so mad that he literally gave William up to to be locked
00:41:51
up and the whole plan was for him to be home because if Denny
00:41:57
hadn't come in when he did, he was like, yeah, I think the plan
00:42:01
is to hang you in the morning, but we going to fix things like
00:42:03
I need you to turn around and drop your pants.
00:42:05
And William was like, he was like, my arse is the only thing
00:42:09
that feel OK, right? Because being being whooped his
00:42:12
ass now. And he had to tell the guard he
00:42:16
was like, yeah, I need you to go get me some, some warm water.
00:42:20
He was like, are you going to be OK?
00:42:22
He was like, yeah, I think he's coming.
00:42:23
I think he has smallpox. And we just think the guard was
00:42:26
like, hey, that's all you had to say.
00:42:28
That's the way right that. Was funny.
00:42:32
Let me tell you, I miss Denzel so much because we don't get to
00:42:38
see that little wicked part of him.
00:42:40
Very. He's so cute though.
00:42:42
That boy got some. He just got some eyes that I'm
00:42:45
like, OK. Joey Phillips is gorgeous.
00:42:47
Like, just gorgeous. OK, yeah.
00:42:52
But that was fun because he helps William to escape.
00:42:57
So now with this is the thing now Williams going to have to go
00:43:01
back, right? He's going to have to again,
00:43:06
you, you're in Savannah. You're you're in the same town
00:43:12
that your wife is in. That already is, is suspect to
00:43:15
me, at least the way they wrote it in the show, because in the
00:43:19
in the books, he's all the way in Philadelphia, I think.
00:43:23
Oh, there, there's distance, but you're right here in the same
00:43:27
town. That's a little suspect.
00:43:30
Oh boy. Why can't people just do right?
00:43:35
I just Oh my God. And then this girl, he doesn't
00:43:38
slept with this girl and ain't nothing.
00:43:40
I don't know. I don't know if they slept
00:43:42
together. Well, maybe they did.
00:43:44
Maybe they just didn't. I think they was they was just
00:43:46
they were getting a little happy in the gazebo and unless that
00:43:51
would that would that would have been a lot of clothes removing
00:43:54
and stuff like you can. I don't think they slept
00:43:57
together yet. Let's not even talk about that
00:43:59
because I'm we get to these other folks.
00:44:00
I'm not, I guess what I'm saying about removal of clothes.
00:44:06
Brianna, Brianna, let's just tell you how I felt like I was a
00:44:12
parent and I had to, I Fast forward to Wolf times because I
00:44:15
was like. So it wasn't just.
00:44:17
Me. Yeah.
00:44:19
I feel like I was Claire watching them this time.
00:44:21
I don't know what it was, but something about them being
00:44:23
together this time I didn't feel right and I couldn't watch it.
00:44:26
So I've noticed I can't do that with Jamie and Claire anymore
00:44:31
either. Like I can kind of sort of watch
00:44:33
them, but as far as like just being, because I feel like it
00:44:38
almost feels like because we've been watching them for so long,
00:44:41
I almost feel like they're friends and it'll be just like
00:44:44
watching friends. And that's just like a no, no,
00:44:46
Like, OK, you know, I get some people are into that.
00:44:50
I am not. It just feels way too intimate.
00:44:55
Yeah. It's just like, like some of the
00:44:57
other sex scenes, like I would say William and Jane or, you
00:45:03
know, seeing Lord John with somebody.
00:45:05
I think because there's not emotional attachment with those
00:45:10
scenes. I don't have a problem with
00:45:12
those. But like, the more and more
00:45:14
Jamie and Claire, the as the, the further along we get in
00:45:18
their story. I can't really watch them do
00:45:21
that anymore because it feels it feels like being a four year and
00:45:27
I felt the same way with Brianna and Rodger in this one.
00:45:31
It was like, I don't know, something about it was so it was
00:45:37
so intimate. And I generally, I will be
00:45:39
honest, I really don't usually care for Rodger and Rihanna's
00:45:44
love scenes. They just I don't know it it it
00:45:47
looks very awkward to me. So.
00:45:50
Happens because in the beginning she wasn't supposed to she
00:45:54
wasn't really into him like he was into her and then they kind
00:45:57
of fell in love more yeah and I I feel like because he was more
00:46:01
into her clearly 'cause he followed her ass on the way
00:46:05
back, right? But I feel like because he.
00:46:08
Was so much more into. Her and it wasn't as fully you
00:46:11
know, it was just I don't know. And so I was all right, but I
00:46:16
don't know this one right here and he told the story about his
00:46:19
dad. I was just like, I don't know,
00:46:21
it was, it was so. It was too intimate.
00:46:24
I was like that. That would be like looking at my
00:46:27
sister and my brother. I can't do it.
00:46:29
It would be like Ferguson. Ferguson.
00:46:32
Marshall is sitting there watching them do that.
00:46:34
It it was. It felt so weird.
00:46:37
It was like I. Can't do it.
00:46:38
So I'm literally sitting here looking at something else and
00:46:42
and watching out out the peripheral for them to be done
00:46:46
because I was like, it's it's too, it's too.
00:46:51
I felt like in that moment, it was kind of.
00:46:54
Sacred. Yeah, that's what it was.
00:46:56
It felt sacred. And I was like, Oh no, I'm not.
00:47:00
Supposed to watch this? Where they're sharing this huge.
00:47:03
Revelation and he's realizing like who he is and he realizes
00:47:08
like what he did to save his dad and she's getting overheard like
00:47:13
she was freaked out because he could have died and and then
00:47:16
they get all like him grab you and I was like Nope, Nope, I
00:47:20
don't Nope Nope, Nope, I can't Nope.
00:47:23
I was just. He just looks so innocent when
00:47:26
he's. Telling her the whole story
00:47:27
about the bomb shelter and his mom saving him but his dad
00:47:30
catching him. And because I did this, my dad
00:47:34
was. Able to be.
00:47:34
There and and then all of a sudden she's like walking away.
00:47:39
He's like, Nah, come back here girl.
00:47:40
I'm like, oh, Oh yeah, about to do, to do.
00:47:43
Let me, let me. Let me, let me do like this.
00:47:46
Because not supposed to be watching.
00:47:48
Yeah. It just it, it felt a little too
00:47:50
personal, too much. Yeah.
00:47:53
And then you know the other thing.
00:47:54
About it too. Is.
00:47:56
It's it's still hard for me. I know Brianna's old now but
00:48:02
it's hard for me not to see her still as when she was like 18 or
00:48:06
how old she was. It's just weird for me that
00:48:09
she's like like in her 40s or something.
00:48:12
She's like, she's like in her late 30s, I think.
00:48:14
Or early 40s, yeah, that's weird for me.
00:48:16
So that yes, it was. A lot.
00:48:18
It was a lot working against me and you know, I don't shy away
00:48:22
from no sexy like right, like I'm gonna watch me some some get
00:48:27
down to get there. But I just, yeah, it's something
00:48:31
about, it's something about these.
00:48:33
Things, especially in these later seasons.
00:48:34
It's just like, I'm not supposed to be watching this.
00:48:39
Yeah, it it does feel coordinator.
00:48:43
It's so weird. Because I was like, wait.
00:48:46
I'm not approved by any stretch of them.
00:48:51
And it seems it seems it seems a bit weird but.
00:48:53
OK, so I feel glad that I'm not the only person who felt that
00:48:57
way. I was like, no, I'm not going to
00:48:59
watch. I'm going to be respectful of
00:49:01
their hanky panky time. I wonder how?
00:49:05
Michelle said. We can wait to get.
00:49:07
Her opinion on that and see what she feels about that too.
00:49:09
Because. Right.
00:49:11
Because yeah. But but I.
00:49:15
But I do love that. Rodger was able to have that
00:49:18
moment because again, he was so worried.
00:49:20
He was like, my dad never came back.
00:49:23
I don't know what happened to him.
00:49:24
Like, did I send him through to his death?
00:49:26
And to know that, to even have that brief glimpse of, oh, he
00:49:32
caught me, like, I feel like that probably healed something
00:49:36
that he didn't even realize needed healing.
00:49:39
Yeah, Yeah. I loved it.
00:49:41
It's also. Like that whole thing where it.
00:49:43
Was a memory. That you didn't fully have, that
00:49:46
you had and it was clear. And you're like, wait, I
00:49:50
remember this, you know, Oh my gosh.
00:49:52
Because even in the last episode after.
00:49:55
He sent Jerry back when he had that little glimpse of him and
00:49:58
his dad. He was like, I don't even know
00:50:00
if that was a real memory. Well, now we know that was a
00:50:03
real memory because his dad was there to catch him.
00:50:07
So yeah, this, when I say this, this episode has so many good
00:50:12
emotional beats. Oh, yeah.
00:50:15
I was just like, it's OK if y'all are doing this to us now
00:50:19
we got three more episodes. Y'all about to destroy it.
00:50:22
I can already tell you now I saw the.
00:50:26
Title of the next episode. I said, yeah, this that the next
00:50:30
episode we going to have to have some tissues.
00:50:33
I I already? Know, I know what's?
00:50:35
Coming. It's yeah, we we just just be
00:50:41
prepared. We got to.
00:50:42
Be hard. Oh God.
00:50:45
Yeah, and you know what's crazy? I'm.
00:50:46
I'm pretty sure I've watched. The trailer, but I don't
00:50:49
remember anything, so that must be a reason for that 'cause I
00:50:53
don't remember. I know.
00:50:53
I definitely watch the preview. Oh, you.
00:50:55
You won't get. You won't get it.
00:50:57
Like, like there's some stuff happening in the trailer that
00:51:01
will make you go Oh my God. But it's like when what happens?
00:51:06
Happens. You're gonna be like I.
00:51:09
Wasn't expecting. That I just know.
00:51:12
Yeah, it's it's gonna, it's going, it's going to hurt, it's
00:51:19
going to hurt. But.
00:51:22
But I. Do I do like?
00:51:24
I, I one thing I love about this season is the fact that we're
00:51:28
getting to see more interaction with Ferguson, Marceline and
00:51:31
Rodger and Brad, like get to see them build on those
00:51:35
relationships. I, I love that about this
00:51:37
season. Like I said, I need for I, I
00:51:41
need Ferguson them. I know he has, I know he has the
00:51:44
print shop and everything, but you getting you getting all
00:51:46
kinds of threats and they need folks to leave Fergus alone.
00:51:51
So I need y'all to come to the pitch.
00:51:53
Come to the Ridge and you can print from the Ridge.
00:51:56
You can get the news, listen, you can do something, but I
00:52:00
just. Yeah, I, I, I need you to come
00:52:04
back to the Ridge. But also the fact that he is, I
00:52:08
love the fact that he's sharing with them, with what's going on
00:52:11
with his possible fortune. You know, he's like, yeah, I, I
00:52:17
could possibly be rich, but I don't know, like, I, I don't
00:52:23
know. I I still think I'm still a
00:52:27
little. Conflicted about the thing.
00:52:29
With Fergus's suppose it, you know, origins because again,
00:52:37
it's like, like we said, all money is isn't good money.
00:52:41
And I just feel like that's going to come with so many
00:52:45
stipulations or they're they're going to be things that are
00:52:50
attached to him getting that money that may not be in the
00:52:53
best interest for him and his family.
00:52:55
Well, just the name him alone. Like we y'all, y'all was talking
00:52:59
about that matter of fact in the last video.
00:53:01
Just him having to say that he's the concern Jermaine's son could
00:53:06
put his life in danger, his family in danger.
00:53:08
Just saying that alone, not even having money, just saying that
00:53:11
because you know that dude has some enemies, OK?
00:53:14
Look at him. And then like, I mean, you, you,
00:53:17
you consider yourself one of his enemies.
00:53:20
You know, he's like, he tried to kill my lady.
00:53:22
Like you don't play with my lady now right at all.
00:53:26
Like that's that's my, that my real Mama.
00:53:29
That my real Mama, That my. Real Mama, you're not going to.
00:53:32
Mess with her so and then he was he was there during all of that
00:53:37
right, right. He saw how attractive.
00:53:39
He was, yeah, yeah. And so.
00:53:42
Yeah. And then?
00:53:43
Like these new people, these new French people they're trying to
00:53:46
bring over, we don't know what these people is like and what
00:53:49
they about to do when they go out West.
00:53:51
And, you know, we don't know nothing about that.
00:53:54
And then what if having that land is actually a good thing
00:53:57
for him to have that land and not give it away?
00:54:00
You know what I'm saying? Like it.
00:54:02
Look, there might be oil on that land.
00:54:04
Right that like it's out West you.
00:54:06
Know there's some oil or something out there you know the
00:54:10
North Dakota the oil fields out there booming you know come on
00:54:13
now look go out there and and dig you.
00:54:16
Some oil and let Marsley have her jewels and her stuff that
00:54:20
she's always talking about. Because yeah, I don't, I don't
00:54:26
think. I don't think.
00:54:29
Letting those French people. Come over is going to be a good
00:54:31
idea first. I just, I just don't think it's.
00:54:38
And then you gotta say you the comp size your mind.
00:54:40
And son, yeah, but just you gotta say it because even
00:54:43
without the the stuff that we know about him, you are a cab
00:54:48
back then. Yeah, we don't need.
00:54:52
And then like, you know, he probably had to end up going to.
00:54:55
Paris at some point, you know, and you got too many children to
00:55:00
be leaving. Marshall behind by herself and
00:55:03
and so she would definitely. Have to go back to the Ridge.
00:55:05
He had to drop her off at the Ridge before he left.
00:55:08
There's no way he could leave her and Savannah by herself with
00:55:10
the kids. It's just too many moving
00:55:13
pieces. I know, I know.
00:55:15
In TV World, you can just skip the months.
00:55:18
Yeah, like everything is good, but I don't know.
00:55:21
And we don't need Fergus going nowhere because we only.
00:55:23
Got 3 episodes left in this season.
00:55:25
We don't need to go. Not am where?
00:55:27
Not am place nothing. Yeah, stay, stay.
00:55:31
Look. Stay in.
00:55:33
Savannah, go to the Ridge. Just be with your real family.
00:55:37
Be good. You got all the riches you need
00:55:38
there like right now while while.
00:55:43
Brianna and them there and they will do what they going to do.
00:55:46
Everybody ride together. Let's go together back to the
00:55:50
all together. I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll go
00:55:58
ahead. At least Rodger is.
00:56:00
Rodgers getting his guns. So that right there, that was
00:56:06
another. Scene that really touched my
00:56:08
heart because that man had given up on them or like you know
00:56:13
totally like was whatever about them because he was annoyed by
00:56:16
Jamie's actions. But then because Rodger did what
00:56:20
he was, what he felt in his heart he needed to do, and that
00:56:23
man saw that Rodger was this great stand up person who fought
00:56:28
and stayed and was courageous and he gave him what he needed.
00:56:32
It was just like just doing the. Bit the good thing.
00:56:36
Doing the right thing. And then with him, you know, he,
00:56:40
he's definitely wants to be a minister.
00:56:42
Like he's definitely wanting to just do the minister thing and
00:56:44
whatever. And it's in his heart it's,
00:56:46
it's, you know, 'cause he was raised by the priest.
00:56:48
I forget his name. What was the priest's name?
00:56:50
00 My God. Wakefield.
00:56:56
Reverend Wakefield. Reverend Wakefield.
00:56:59
Yes. Like, so it's it's it's kind of
00:57:02
it's it's really sweet that he's going in, you know, really going
00:57:05
into it. Like, this is he knows for sure
00:57:07
this is who he is. You know, like everything has
00:57:11
just been so sweet in this episode.
00:57:13
Yeah. So his little face when he read
00:57:15
that note and he was like, he's giving us the guns.
00:57:18
I mean, we're going to war, but. Right.
00:57:21
Right. We're going to war, but at least
00:57:23
we're not. Going empty handed, Yeah, we got
00:57:25
that. That's a good thing, We tripping
00:57:28
about it because it's gonna be a.
00:57:29
Preacher and his wife breaking the guns.
00:57:32
Listen, I mean who? Who would suspect?
00:57:36
Who would suspect? You know, so yeah.
00:57:41
It was a. It.
00:57:42
Was a really good episode and again, I do have a problem with
00:57:48
the fact that Jamie just kind of let Cunningham go and he he's
00:57:52
kind of lenient with the man. I won't.
00:57:56
I won't. Say I have a problem with it,
00:57:59
but I just worry about what the consequences of those actions.
00:58:04
And, of course, Frank running his mouth in the background.
00:58:07
I need Frank to shut up now. I need you to shut up.
00:58:10
If you're not going to, like, physically manifest yourself as
00:58:13
a ghost onto the Ridge, I need you to hush.
00:58:15
Yeah, because you're not helping things and.
00:58:19
And. Yeah.
00:58:19
And because. Yeah, I just, you know, I hated
00:58:22
it from the get go, but I know, I know.
00:58:26
But he just all up in his. Head and Oh my gosh, I just I
00:58:31
just want them to be happy, man. It's it sucks that like they
00:58:36
just can't have too much to ask, just a little.
00:58:39
Piece I know. They had to spend 20 years.
00:58:42
Away from each other. Let them have some peace.
00:58:46
Yeah, They're making up for lost times in these last 20 years
00:58:49
have just passed. Let let them have that.
00:58:52
I just noticed I'm I'm sitting here looking at it in the.
00:58:54
Background. I just realized really how white
00:58:58
Claire's hair is getting. Oh, right, that freak right
00:59:01
there. Not even just the street, but
00:59:03
even on the edges, like her hair, she has a pull back.
00:59:06
It's mostly white in the front. Yeah, it's definitely.
00:59:10
A lot different. Which, you know, that's her
00:59:14
power coveted, apparently. Listen.
00:59:18
Listen. And it's kind of cool because I
00:59:20
had forgotten like. It, you know, just so long since
00:59:22
I watched the older seasons, But when you were saying I forget
00:59:25
who the lady was, was it a lady that told her she would get her
00:59:28
power? Was a native lady or and it's
00:59:32
funny because then you have Emily who is like having
00:59:36
prophetic dreams. So like how it's just funny how
00:59:39
that kind of ties together. Like she's having prophetic
00:59:41
dreams, she's coming into her power.
00:59:44
Like Jamie already has visions or whatever his thing is.
00:59:48
It's like, it's like all of, it's really kind of cool how
00:59:51
it's all come together. Yeah.
00:59:54
Which is. Kind of like.
00:59:55
Making me really want. To I can't wait for blood of my
00:59:58
blood to come because I need to and we finally know it's coming
01:00:01
back in the. Fall yay.
01:00:03
We just I I just need a date now I need to know is it coming
01:00:06
before dragon con or after dragon con so I can prepare.
01:00:09
Oh that's the point. That's the point.
01:00:12
Even way it goes, we'll be able to talk about it in.
01:00:13
Conjuration or even conjuran or even conjuration.
01:00:16
Exactly. Yeah, But I, I, I kind of want
01:00:19
to know. Because I saw.
01:00:20
Did you see the teaser trailer? I didn't get to watch it yet.
01:00:24
OK, but I was. Yeah, I was because when you
01:00:26
said that I was still working, so I had to get a chance to come
01:00:28
off and just go look at it. But I'm definitely soon as I get
01:00:31
it off. Yeah, it doesn't give away a
01:00:32
lot, but. We do see, we do see Claire as a
01:00:39
little girl. So I don't know as you know, if
01:00:43
that's another flashback or something like that, but I was
01:00:46
just like the fact that we we at least know when to expect it and
01:00:50
we know we don't have to wait very long because, I mean, the
01:00:53
first season just aired last year, right?
01:00:56
Yeah, Yeah. At least we're not.
01:00:58
Having to do these two. And three-year hiatuses like
01:01:01
they do with some of the other shows.
01:01:04
But they were smart to just keep filming, you know?
01:01:08
And just get it because, yeah. And then having this to be here
01:01:15
to kind of like pad pad the weight a little bit, you know,
01:01:19
is actually good too. So I'm excited.
01:01:23
I was. Like, yeah, you fall.
01:01:24
So we only. So technically speaking, we only
01:01:26
have a few months. Yeah, yeah, because the summer
01:01:30
is filled with things that are coming.
01:01:31
Out because we got House of the Dragon, we got Vampire.
01:01:36
Because they went in, you know, it's funny, they.
01:01:38
Said they were going to change the name to the actual book
01:01:40
title and then they changed the name to the actual book.
01:01:42
I'm sorry, the vampire list. That yeah.
01:01:44
So, yeah, but I cannot wait because like I said, I I've
01:01:50
gotten to where I love that show as much as I love this this show
01:01:55
because it's just, I, I feel like the storytelling is great
01:01:58
there. You get to explore a little bit
01:02:00
more because we don't really know this, like especially with
01:02:03
Claire's parents, we don't really know their story.
01:02:06
And because it's kind of made-up for the show, you can kind of do
01:02:11
a. Lot of.
01:02:12
Things and and still make it make sense.
01:02:14
So I know that about the show. I know a lot of people don't
01:02:17
like it. That's OK Y'all will be all
01:02:19
right. I'll I'll watch the show enough
01:02:21
for everyone and they probably had whatever the ending.
01:02:25
Or whatever is coming together with this so that they could
01:02:28
write and put it all together. So once you know and then it'll
01:02:32
it'll be seamless the way they do it.
01:02:34
I'm excited. And that show, I mean, I don't
01:02:37
know, like how people couldn't like that show.
01:02:38
It was so well done It it really was.
01:02:42
And the. Characters the the actors are so
01:02:44
good. As the characters like, yeah,
01:02:47
yeah. So I'm very excited.
01:02:49
I love. It I'm I'm.
01:02:50
So I'm so ready for. It I'm so ready for it did we I
01:02:55
think we covered everything, didn't we?
01:02:58
Let's. See.
01:02:59
Yeah, I feel like we did. Yeah.
01:03:02
No, I think we did because. I feel like this episode even
01:03:07
though it. Was still like an hour it felt
01:03:10
so short yeah to me and every. Each time I.
01:03:14
Watch it, it just seems like it flies by, but it also feels like
01:03:18
they're putting a lot. Of stuff in the episode, that's
01:03:21
the thing, yeah, they're filling it up for sure The the.
01:03:25
Story is condensed a little bit. Because of course, because of
01:03:27
course that book is like, this is huge.
01:03:31
But I feel like they're doing such a great job as far as what
01:03:36
they've pulled from the books and are putting in it.
01:03:39
And I think I saw, I think Diana Gabaldon said that this was her
01:03:43
favorite episode so far because it's it's almost like 75% book
01:03:48
stuff. OK, OK.
01:03:51
Yeah. I mean, I guess that's why it
01:03:53
feels so good is because it was written, you know, was pulled so
01:03:58
much. It wasn't like their take on the
01:04:01
thing. They kind of just kept the the
01:04:03
heart of what she wrote more. Yeah, because it's definitely.
01:04:07
Probably one of my favorite. Episodes of this whole season,
01:04:10
for sure, yeah, and especially because we.
01:04:14
Oh, that's why also, that's why it feels like there's so much
01:04:18
because you literally we got to see every bit of the family in
01:04:23
this one. You know, you still with some
01:04:25
episodes you see like of course you're going to see Claire and
01:04:28
Jamie, you might see Brianna and Rodger, but you don't see
01:04:31
Ferguson Marshall and you might get some Williams stuff or you
01:04:34
might not. But in this one we got all of we
01:04:37
literally got the whole family and got to see what they were
01:04:41
doing. I think the only people that we
01:04:43
haven't seen are Lizzie and. The kids, but I mean.
01:04:48
We had Josiah in the Yeah, I was about to say we had a twin.
01:04:50
Yeah. And we had buck, so we we.
01:04:54
Have Buck. So we literally have everybody.
01:04:59
So I feel like they're doing a good job because you're you're
01:05:03
kind of compartmentalizing these stories, but you're giving us
01:05:07
everybody. And I can kind of see where
01:05:11
things are going to start coming together to where everybody's
01:05:13
going to come together because, like I told Michelle, I just
01:05:16
need them all to be together at least once.
01:05:20
Or for the final. Episode Everybody needs to be
01:05:23
together and I'll be happy. You don't have to tell me what
01:05:27
happens to. Them next.
01:05:29
I don't well, I told her, I said if we can get all of them
01:05:32
together 1 episode that she can have her notebook.
01:05:34
And then that's why I just want to, I just want to see everybody
01:05:39
together. Yeah.
01:05:42
I mean I. Agree with her.
01:05:43
I kind of that no, but you need kind of works that kind of
01:05:47
works. I I kind of want that to, No, I
01:05:51
mean, you know. They don't need to die.
01:05:54
They can be like I told her they can be.
01:05:55
Immortal. I don't care.
01:05:57
I mean, they really could, honestly, because look how.
01:06:00
Much stuff they survive so far. Like surprise, some crazy shit
01:06:04
and they're not there yet. You know there's no way normal
01:06:07
people would have survived half or something, right JB?
01:06:10
They definitely would have to move though.
01:06:15
No. And maybe they can move to
01:06:18
what's Ferguson's new land out West, honey, Because I, I would
01:06:23
like take the family and just go because don't nobody know you
01:06:26
out there. Yeah, I mean you'd be able to
01:06:29
start. Over because you can't really go
01:06:30
back to. Scotland There's still people
01:06:33
who know Jamie in Scotland and will for at.
01:06:38
Maybe a couple of other. General, you know, a couple of
01:06:40
generations, because even if they weren't adults, they
01:06:43
probably were children when he was there or even the last time
01:06:47
he was there, they probably like, oh, we heard that the
01:06:49
Laird is back or whatever. So yeah, they could be.
01:06:54
Immortal, but no I just I. Just want to see them all
01:06:56
together. That's like my only stipulation
01:06:59
for the the finale or, you know, for what I want at the end of
01:07:04
the season. I want to see them all together.
01:07:08
Yeah, that would be great. Anything else?
01:07:11
I need. I need Jamie and.
01:07:13
Lord John to make up I need William.
01:07:16
Oh my God, yes, I need William to.
01:07:18
Come to terms with. Who he is as a person and who
01:07:22
his his real father is, I need. I would like to see that
01:07:27
resolved. I think Breanna really did help
01:07:29
with. That though?
01:07:30
I think so. I hope so.
01:07:32
Because. Because he needed to hear that,
01:07:36
I think. Yeah.
01:07:38
Because she literally has the. Same story, almost like raised
01:07:42
by somebody else, didn't know he was your dad.
01:07:45
Like, I mean, hated him 'cause you, you were mad at him, you
01:07:50
know, like, yeah, right around the same age.
01:07:53
When they found out, yeah, Oh yeah, yeah.
01:07:58
But so yeah, 3 episodes left. Oh my God.
01:08:06
It's it's hard because the last season had what, 16, 1717?
01:08:12
Episodes and then we back down. To the to the little minuscule
01:08:17
10 yeah, I, I, I just. I'm not ready.
01:08:23
I'm not ready to let it go. Oh no, sorry. 4 episodes. 4
01:08:27
episodes. Did I say 4?
01:08:29
Oh, wait, So what is the six this is?
01:08:31
Episode 6. So we have 4 episodes.
01:08:33
I don't know why. I'm thinking 7 because 7 because
01:08:36
7 comes out tonight at midnight. So I think that's my brain.
01:08:40
It's Thursday. My.
01:08:42
Days are so off because we usually do this on Monday and
01:08:44
then my days are so off. I'm like, wait, what?
01:08:47
The last few, the last couple of.
01:08:49
Weeks has been off because especially without you being
01:08:52
here, like things have been going on like again, we knew
01:08:56
Michelle was going to be busy because her her daughter is a
01:08:59
senior this year. This is like prom season.
01:09:02
This is when all the senior stuff is happening.
01:09:04
So we knew the schedule was going to be kind of crazy, which
01:09:07
is one of the reasons why I've never said like, OK, we release
01:09:10
episodes on this day because we all have lives.
01:09:13
We all have stuff that that we have to do.
01:09:16
And sometimes we just can't record what we want to record
01:09:19
some days. And you got to edit like, it's.
01:09:21
Yeah. Got to edit and then of course
01:09:24
you know I have chronic illness. These migraines have been
01:09:26
kicking my ass for the last month and all this stuff
01:09:30
happening. So yeah.
01:09:33
But hopefully for the next episode, all three of us can can
01:09:40
get together and do it. Yeah, because we don't need the
01:09:43
therapy session. I'm just, I'm just going to put
01:09:45
it out there. We're going to need a therapy
01:09:48
session. Absolutely.
01:09:50
Because, you know, they got to start, they got to start doing
01:09:55
some like emotionally damaging stuff.
01:09:58
We only have 4 episodes left. Like we haven't been properly
01:10:02
devastated yet this season. So we have to have at least one
01:10:06
event that's going to devastate us always.
01:10:12
So, yeah. But I I tell you what though, as
01:10:16
long as nobody. 'S getting sexually assaulted.
01:10:20
I think I will be OK. I think we're done with all of
01:10:24
that. Oh my God, like every time I
01:10:26
turn. Around somebody was getting
01:10:27
sexually assaulted and I was like, Diana, what is going on
01:10:30
with your life, girl? But you know what?
01:10:32
Unfortunately, 17. Hundreds, that was.
01:10:34
I know, I know. And that's one of the reasons
01:10:37
why, like I know people. Complain about that and I and I
01:10:41
understand it, but it's also like it was.
01:10:46
That was a part of life. Back then and you can't just
01:10:50
shun away from it because it's an ugly truth.
01:10:52
That would be just like people saying well I don't want to read
01:10:55
about slavery outside. Well guess what it existed and
01:10:58
y'all need to know what the fuck happened.
01:11:00
Well that's the thing. Like I just.
01:11:02
I think so. For me, because like people used
01:11:03
to say that about GLT, about Game of Thrones, it needs to be
01:11:07
mad about like how women were treated.
01:11:09
But I do feel like there was a lot, a lot of men being treated
01:11:14
very poorly Theon all that show. But yeah, that's that's the
01:11:19
thing about Game of Thrones. They.
01:11:21
Were equal opportunity masochists horrible?
01:11:24
And so I think over. Time just seeing it happen, but
01:11:28
also like you know, JB situation him being assaulted like all the
01:11:32
stuff like it started off in the first first first two seasons
01:11:37
already like so by the time the Lionel Brown stuff happened I
01:11:41
was like look, look at here I'm. Tired of this?
01:11:45
So I'm glad we don't have no more of that.
01:11:47
Yeah. And I I think the way that they.
01:11:49
Handled that particular episode was they did it very well
01:11:53
because we didn't like actually see it.
01:11:56
And also like with Brianna's, like Brianna's was bad enough we
01:11:59
heard it. We didn't have to see it.
01:12:02
But with Claire. 'S it's kind of like at as they
01:12:06
implied it was happening, and then of course she kind of went
01:12:08
off into our own hair. I like the way that they did
01:12:11
that because it's like you're letting us know what's going on
01:12:14
without us having to watch it and witness it.
01:12:18
And I think that was very powerful in the way that they
01:12:21
did that. But yeah, I don't think we have
01:12:23
anything to worry about because I don't think that's happened.
01:12:28
I really just see stuff that's happened.
01:12:29
Yeah, shot and chopped up on the battlefield and.
01:12:33
See somebody be I just oh. Child we got.
01:12:37
Enough stuff coming up at a certain age.
01:12:39
I just I founded myself. I'm more annoyed by stuff than I
01:12:43
used to be. You know, we are turning into
01:12:46
our parents. I.
01:12:47
Mean like like now I can't. Stand when they the whole story
01:12:51
is a woman losing her child like her baby or like you know,
01:12:54
during pregnancy and she lose a baby.
01:12:56
Why is it driving the whole story like so it's just a lot of
01:12:59
different things. And that was just one of the
01:13:01
things about this over the years.
01:13:03
But oh, bravo, I I have obviously loved Outlander.
01:13:08
You know, I'm not going to bash the show because of that, but
01:13:13
like I just I was just like, well, I just don't need nowhere
01:13:15
that so but yeah, this episode was one of my definitely one of
01:13:20
my favorites. It was really good and everybody
01:13:24
is everybody just looking good and happy, pretty spelling and I
01:13:29
know and somebody, somebody commented.
01:13:31
They were like, is it just me or is Jamie looking so much better
01:13:35
this season? They were like, the the wig is
01:13:37
is good, the clothes are good. I said, you know, we said the
01:13:40
same thing about Rodger, too. They were OK final season.
01:13:44
Look, the glow up is real. They all looking good.
01:13:48
And I love the fact that Marsley has her hair down all the time.
01:13:51
I love it 'cause you know, she was all covered.
01:13:55
And, you know, and hair up and pinned.
01:13:58
I like it now. Yeah, yeah.
01:14:00
She's like, look, I'm gonna let this.
01:14:02
Let these luxurious locks flow. I love it, I love it.
01:14:07
I don't feel good to pop up. On YouTube, but I I need to go
01:14:11
back and watch it. They're in an interview
01:14:12
together. They're so cute.
01:14:14
I love, I love their interviews together.
01:14:16
They. They are so cute Yep.
01:14:18
But oh, the other exciting thing Lancon just announced the new
01:14:23
guest. We're getting Buck that that
01:14:28
excited me because, you know, he's become like one of my
01:14:30
favorite characters on the show, even though we don't get to see
01:14:33
him as much, but. He brings a lot.
01:14:37
He brings a lot, right? Like when he thought he was
01:14:40
acting, his heart was like he was panicking because it was 1
01:14:44
was like a panic attack or something he was having throwing
01:14:47
him. I can't remember, but he was
01:14:49
talking about his heart. Like his heart might have been
01:14:53
strained by going through the stones or something, but
01:14:57
whatever it is, he seemed to be cured of it now.
01:14:59
You're going to keep it that way.
01:15:02
He could stay on the Ridge. He But he protected Jamie when
01:15:06
everybody else was gone. When when Josiah was coming up
01:15:10
with the group, he was up there on the roof with his gun.
01:15:12
He was. Yeah, with people.
01:15:14
Look, you. Have it through as family, we
01:15:20
good. We good he 10 toes down.
01:15:23
I'm here for it. Oh.
01:15:26
It was the last episode where JB Eclair, I'm sorry, I keep
01:15:29
breaking stuff up. It was the last episode where JB
01:15:30
Eclair was like, we better not tell.
01:15:32
But I killed, Oh yeah, that we killed his parents.
01:15:38
I don't want to do. Now here's the thing.
01:15:40
I think because of the fact. That buck has gone.
01:15:45
Through the stones because now he, he is aware of kind of like
01:15:50
how maybe not how things work, but how it affects things.
01:15:55
I think if he were to find out and, and they were to tell him
01:15:59
what happened, I think he would understand because Dougal was so
01:16:04
Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, he I don't think he would have
01:16:09
listened to what they said. And then also because of the,
01:16:12
the how early it was in the 1700s, he probably would have
01:16:16
been like, oh, she a witch, we need to hang her.
01:16:19
He probably wouldn't have done it.
01:16:22
Or maybe not because of the. Fact that Galas was also, you
01:16:25
know, people thought of Galas as a witch and he loved her, she
01:16:30
was. One of my favorite characters
01:16:32
though, she was pretty badass. Evil, yes.
01:16:35
I don't know if I would say evil, but he was very, he was
01:16:43
very self-serving. Yeah, he was very self.
01:16:47
Serving and. Unfortunately, a lot of times
01:16:49
when you're self-serving the decisions.
01:16:53
You make and the things that you.
01:16:55
Do are not on the up and up I. Don't know I.
01:16:58
Don't think I would call him evil though.
01:17:00
No, I'm talking about gay list because that's a whole
01:17:02
different. Yeah, gayness is evil.
01:17:04
I. Don't think Dougal was evil, I
01:17:06
just think Dougal just. Was proud and just like you said
01:17:11
about Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, like, you know, a
01:17:14
little bit misguided, but yeah, yeah.
01:17:18
So OK. 4 episodes left and then we can cry into our soup.
01:17:23
Until the fall. Hopefully next week we can.
01:17:29
All three of us can be on. Here and we can have our therapy
01:17:32
session because we're definitely going to need it.
01:17:37
Yeah. So I guess we'll just prepare
01:17:41
for that, but. For now, that is it for.
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