#outlander Jamie prepares to fight for his life after learning of a dangerous plot against him. Brianna and William bond over their shared experiences of learning their true parentage, as Brianna worries for Roger's safety when he doesn't return before the battle kicks off. Claire gets an unlikely visitor while waiting for news. William discusses his future with Amaranthus, but a surprising discovery may change things. In need of allies after a betrayal on the Ridge, Jamie makes a deal with the devil.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and we are discussing episode 5 of the
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final season of Outlander. And I'm going to start off by
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saying this. Jamie and Claire are better
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people than I am because the way they are turning their cheeks in
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this episode to the Cunningham's ain't no way not am ain't no way
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girl, I wanted to come through this screen so bad because of
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the way. OK anyway, but they're so used
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to it that didn't even bother me.
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I'm like, they're just so used to it.
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But at some point I do need them to all man up here.
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Listen, like I said, I need, OK, so we got a little bit of not
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necessarily the red Jamie, because he was like, OK, you
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know what? I'm not going to be the first
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one to spill blood, which I get that because you're trying to
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determine who's a traitor and who's on your side and who's
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not. But the moment that Joker was
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telling you like, oh, I have a box waiting for me, but it's not
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till five more years, I would have been like, oh, let's test
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that theory. Because the way this whole thing
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went down, he's out there plotting with folks trying to
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kidnap Jamie so he can turn them over to it's so he could be a
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Jamie is a good one. Ain't no way.
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And Buck is even better 'cause I would have made sure that shot
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was a little bit higher than where he shot him.
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How you gonna come on my land and threaten me and walk around
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talking about you're going to be the new person in charge of
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Fraser's? You got some nerve.
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Right, that's what I'm saying I did.
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They're they're used to people not understanding their place.
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But I at some point I need them to put their foot down, listen
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and stop being nice. They're going to have to and
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like the whole thing. Jamie telling Claire at the end,
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he was like, OK, write these names down because if I'm not
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here, you're going to have to get rid of them.
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She was like get rid of them. He said, yeah, he's like,
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they're not going to stay on my land and they may come.
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You know, if I'm not here, they may come back and try.
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No, you need to go ahead and take care of that now, Jamie.
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But time out. We took their weapons and sent
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them home with a tear between it.
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Let absolutely not. Data got they ass whooped and
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they'd have been personally evicted off the Ridge one way or
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the other. Ain't no way.
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Ain't no what How dare you? How you and this you gonna come
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to lodge and act like everything is all hunky Dory and then you
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gonna get up there and make a whole speech about loyalty and
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peace and love and harmony and and then you gonna try to kill
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him in the right after? Girl, when I tell you I was
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like, can somebody please kill him?
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Just just gone ahead, gone ahead.
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I was so mad with this man and then his Mama.
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How you gonna come to to to Claire to sit and be like, I had
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to come. And then Claire's like, oh, we
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already know. I knew why she feel like she was
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being like she was being messy. And then I like how when when
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everything was over and she was like he was shot in the back.
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Excuse me, I don't care where he was shot.
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He's the one who who started this.
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Shit. Well, OK, so here's the fact.
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So I get the whole he was shot in the back because she's
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thinking Jamie shot him in the back.
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And of course, that's the act of a cow where you shoot somebody
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in the back. And I I got that, but you, you
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need to just be quiet because and you need to knock the.
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Hands on Jamie, right? Right.
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That's what I'm saying. Because again, Claire and Jamie
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they real good. Because if I was Claire, I'd
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have been like, hold up bitch. First of all, you need to get
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your hands off a man. Second of all, Jamie, what
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happened? I wouldn't I would have been
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like, OK, So what happened? How how did we get in this
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situation? Oh, he was trying to kill me and
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Buck got him from behind. OK, That's all we need to know
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else but you can either help your son or you can go.
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But if I was Claire when she made that comment about your son
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is a part and trade. I mean, your husband is a part
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and trader and he gave up that pardon and he deserves his
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execution. Your ass would have been walking
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back home in the storm by your lonesome because ain't no way
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Claire and Jamie are too nice. No girl, when I tell you I would
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sit here like just can we, can we get can we get rid of the
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cunning hands because both of y'all can go to hell.
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Both of y'all. Girl, I was so mad.
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I was like I can't wait to go off on these two like you got
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some nerve. They do, and then all the other
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people on the Ridge, not just the the loyalists, but the
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people who know Jamie and stick you.
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Know what that mass? Eviction.
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You got a. Home you got a home, you got a
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home. So would you, would you least
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want to be on this side? I'm.
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Gonna excuse about fiction, do you hear me?
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Mass eviction. Mass eviction cause ain't no
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way. Hey, you think that's the part
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that that pissed me off about the episode the most was like,
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you know, I wish that would be the one thing that I would be
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pictures pissed off about, but whatever.
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OK, we can go out of that because I already know what you
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upset about. William Amaranth has made you
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that bad, Michelle. Yes, they did, because I know
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that's all. Right, let's talk about it.
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Let's have your therapy session about this.
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I don't like her. And the thing about it is I was
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like, be patient with, you know, be patient with this storyline,
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but I, I don't care for it. It, it really did bother me with
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them sitting outside with a nice moonlight and talking about
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being together and then we should get married.
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And then y'all touching and kissing and, and doing all kind
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of things. And, and then she even offered
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it. They need to do some things to
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see if they compatible. Was that in my head?
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Oh, no. OK, so I'm going to tell you.
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I was quite disgusted, OK? But I'm going to tell you what I
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think about that because of the reveal that happens at the end
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of the episode, which is that Ben is alive.
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He has turned his coat. He is actually now a captain in
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the Continental Army, right? OK.
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And William finds this out through some other events which
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we'll go into. But this is the thing.
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So that whole storyline is bothering me because I already
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knew this was coming, because this is what happens in the
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books. We find out that being turned
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this coat, you know, whatever, whatever.
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So my whole thing is, here we go once again.
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William has apparently fallen in love or falling in strong light
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with a woman who he cannot. Be believed he.
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Right. But The thing is with the fact
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that first Amaranthus was the one who suggested that they get
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married, and then when William said, OK, well, we can get
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married, and she was like, well, maybe we don't have to get
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married right away. Maybe we could just see some
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things. I have a feeling she knew that
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being defected. I think she knew that Ben was
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not dead, that but that because he was a traitor to him, she
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probably, she's probably like, OK, you are a traitor.
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You betrayed me, you left me, you abandoned me.
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So and then she knows. She probably knows the way his
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family feels like they Ben is probably.
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As good will be as good as dead to them once Hal finds out that
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his son is a traitor, right? You know what I'm saying?
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But she's still lied, OK? And she know the lie and she's
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trying to quickly get married and I have a problem with that
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and still in love is disgusting. He's too naive.
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He's too naive, but he's also too nice.
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Like she does not deserve him if that's what she is doing.
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But give it some time. Give it some time.
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Like I I'm almost a fact like you grew up with love.
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You grew up with love from John Grant.
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I'm confused why you so lacking in it that you attach yourself
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to every first thing that come along and show some type of
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interest to. You I don't think that he's
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lacking in it. But I don't think it is either.
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Eager for it? But that's what I'm saying.
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But it's coming from a place and I'm like, you shouldn't.
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It shouldn't be a place because you have gotten love.
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Well. I mean, but this is the, this is
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the way they are back then. Because I mean, think about it,
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this is this is during the time, this is like late 1700s.
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You literally are finding people.
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Where we OK, but yes, but you yeah, and I'm fine with that.
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But William is always you get William is just too eager.
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He he needs he needs his 20s. So I know, but William need, I
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need him to slow up now. Everybody else ain't that
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fucking eager. But everybody else, everybody
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else got married early, so. Yeah, but guess what?
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He's almost like a what? What did they call a man?
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Who's who's a what? What did they call a woman?
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They call her Oh my God, what is the term for a woman who is not
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married by a certain time? I cannot think of the word
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Spencer. Yes, that so he is whatever the
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male equivalent. I understand.
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I understand all the stuff you're saying making sense to
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everyone else except for him or how they're writing it, or the
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time, the time span between these loves that he has.
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Yeah, you get what I'm saying? Because I think.
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He'll fall in love with a tree. It don't matter for him.
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He can't. He.
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Can't he can't. I need him to figure out his
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life first. Yeah, I.
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Just shoot if he didn't know that was his sister.
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He fall in love with his sister while she painting the picture.
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It doesn't matter to you almost. And I'm so happy for his heart.
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I do. He has a great heart, he do.
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He can't see the signs in front of him.
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Well, I mean, she's playing a very good game, right?
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But he couldn't even see it with Rachel.
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I will say that if that's a game.
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It's a game because she knows the game.
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Because she could very well be thinking.
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Because again, if Ben has Ben has defected, she probably has
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not heard from Ben because Ben doesn't know that she's with
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Lord John Gray. So she really think Ben's dead?
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She could. Think that he's dead?
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Yeah. You know that bitch isn't OK.
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You know, this thing, she's landed on the benefit of the
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doubt. OK, well, we're not.
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She's she's not our favorite. She's been abandoned by her
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husband. She had a child to take care and
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she and she needs a. Husband, I mean, and any other
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day. She's not doing anything
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different from what most women in that day.
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Would be right she doing what's different that Claire did, but
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it's just that I like Claire and I don't like her.
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See. That's different.
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Now we come to the heart of the real issues.
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I don't like her. I didn't like her when she came
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on because I know she played with that boy hard.
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Yeah, look at me and I got a sorry.
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I just, I don't think, I don't think she's doing that on
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purpose. I think I think once she found
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out about Williams, you know, his his status and he and he
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made the notion of, OK, yeah, I just want to give my title away.
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Whatever, whatever. She was probably like, OK, well,
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instead of just doing that, you know, that's a perfectly good
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title that comes with a whole bunch of stuff.
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Why don't you just pass it on? And I mean, I'm here.
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I'm available. And I mean, again, they could
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write it different for the show because they are, they have
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changed some things. So they could write it that she
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really thought Ben was dead. And maybe, maybe once she finds
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out, if William tells her, well, I, I know William will tell her
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because William now knowing that Ben is alive, he's not going to
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move forward with the Amaranthus.
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He's going to be very conflicted.
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I I do feel bad because it's going to be like, OK, this is my
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cousin's wife. My cousin is still alive.
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Yes, he abandoned her, but he's still alive.
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You know, this is the cousin that he looked at as a brother,
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even though right now William looking at him sideways because
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yes, I'm happy you alive, but what the fuck you doing in a
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rebel uniform? You know, it's so funny because
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Brianna said that to him. She was like, you know, for a
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loyalist, you got a lot of rebel friends.
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William just need to go ahead and come over to the other side,
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you know, come to the dark side. We have cookies.
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Just come on. Because everybody that you know
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and care for except for your father is a rebel.
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I mean, think about it, the people that you were work, that
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you were serving under your commanding officer tried to have
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you killed. If that's not a good reason to
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defect, I don't know what is. Just go ahead and come on.
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Just come on. OK, OK.
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But I, I. Don't know, let's let's take,
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let's take a a bit. Does she know or does?
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No, It's almost like Frank. I'm going to say I think.
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What does Amarilla's whatever her name is?
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No 'cause I'm not even committing her name to memory.
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What she know and does not know. And we finish.
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She knows. All I know is this better not be
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the end game for William. Yeah, I don't.
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Then I quit. I don't think Williams going to
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find his happily ever afterward. Well, no, I hope not.
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No, I I don't think so. I do think she knows.
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Because is this relationship. What book is this relationship
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in in the? B.
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It's starting. It starts in book.
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Does it start in book 8? No.
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It might be. It might have started in book 9,
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but it's still unresolved going into book 10.
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Let's say it like that. Like 7 books huh?
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I mean books. She's this.
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This is in book 9. She's on book 10.
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She's she's in the middle of writing book 10 now book 10 is
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supposed to be fun. So I think the whole Amaranthus
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thing, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think she's
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introduced in Book 8, but all of this stuff that we're seeing
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right now I think takes place in Book 9.
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OK, well, well, while she's riding 10 Diane, if you're
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listening, OK. I want him to have someone who
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is sweet and caring, who builds confidence in William, supports
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him and his endeavors, who have a big partner like he is.
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And it's fresh, OK? No one else likes her.
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She ain't been with nobody else. She ain't divorced.
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Yeah. Her husband wasn't killed in the
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war. And she ain't related to no one.
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Right. Can we get some?
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Swiping on that have his own love but as far as the show goes
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yeah I. Think.
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I think Amaranthus knows that Ben is not dead and I think
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that's why she told William. Well, we don't have to get
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married immediately because my whole thing is being in the time
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that you are in, you're talking about, oh, we can just, you
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know, like we can just try some things out and, and, and see how
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it goes. Who does that in this day and
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age, in this particular in the 1700s going into the 1800s, Who
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does that? Nobody.
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You are a viscountess You you really are suggesting that
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you're going to have a baby out of wedlock or that you're going
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to have a, a, a, a bastard baby and then be like, Oh yeah, well,
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if it's a boy, then we can get married.
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What are you trying to do that that will be my thing.
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Like, are you trying to make it seem like if if William gets you
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pregnant, are you going to try to like, pass it off as Ben's
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baby? Like, oh, yeah, well, I was
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pregnant when my husband died. Like it it her plan is just it's
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very suspect to me, you know, and then for you to know the
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type of person that William is, you really think William is
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going to be OK? We're OK.
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We just going to sleep around. And then if you get pregnant,
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then we can decide whether or not we're going to get that.
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That is so far from who I think William is and the fact that she
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just suggested that, and I don't know that he's OK with.
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I'm like, I kind of feel like you like William.
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I understand you're looking for love.
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I understand you want it. I understand you're attracted to
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her and this seems appealing, but this is not something you
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would do with anybody else. So why?
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You don't owe her anything. You know, it's just I, I don't
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know. I think she knows that Ben is
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alive. Now, if it turns out that she
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does know this, that's going to, I think that's going to cause
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more problems. And I don't think she and
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William, again, I don't think they'll end up together because
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when William is not going to be with her knowing that Ben is
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alive, even if Ben is like, OK, well don't tell them that I'm
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alive, He's not going to be able to be with her and lie to her
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about that. That's so far from who William
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is. Like the whole, the whole thing
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with him and everything that's happened in his life has been
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because of lies and people not telling the truth.
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So he definitely wouldn't go back to her and act like nothing
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happened, like he doesn't know that Ben is alive.
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And then if he confronts her with it or if he tells her, hey,
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so I found out this thing, Ben is actually alive and he's here
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and he's here in Savannah. That's the other thing.
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Because in the books, you know, I told you they were in
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different areas. I think Ben was all the way in
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Philadelphia, if I'm not mistaken.
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So he wasn't in close proximity. But now, because y'all have
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moved the story to Savannah, Ben is in Savannah.
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He's in the same city that that that his wife and his child are
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in. This is about to be a whole
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bunch of complications. Yes, it is.
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So we've got to see on Friday what happens.
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Right, because again, now we are at the halfway mark, we don't
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have time for y'all to to, you know, drag this out.
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We need to find, we need y'all to come to a A.
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We need a confrontation and then we need a solution because we
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got some other shit going on. Jamie got to figure out what
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he's about to do with this, this whole thing that's going on on
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the Ridge. You know, we do have some
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reunions taking place in this episode.
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You know, we we get to see a little bit more of Brianna and
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William getting closer. Rodger and William finally meet
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Rodger and and Brianna finally meet Denzel, which you know, we
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get him back in this episode. Great.
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I need Ian and and Rachel. I I need them to figure out
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what's going on up there, come back home so everybody can
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reunite, because that's the one thing everybody needs to reunite
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on the Ridge before this episode, before the show is is
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gone. Ferguson, Mars I I just need, I
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need one big family reunion. We need, we need that.
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Yeah, we do. I might.
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Think about. Then you can have your notebook
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ending if. That's what you right, but how
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many more episodes we got 5 it's just.
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And, and I mean, but they're putting a lot in the episodes
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and at at least they did with this one because you you have a
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whole battle. Taking place, which I think
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probably span maybe a couple of weeks.
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Yeah, that's great. I'm glad.
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So I told you that Roger is not going to die, but.
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We already knew. That I know, so I don't need
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y'all to put him in danger. Let's move forward because I
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already know he lives. I think it was more so about him
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figuring out his his or him not figuring out his calling.
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But I guess it being kind of reiterated for him.
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Like this is what you're supposed to do.
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Yeah, definitely. But Brianna didn't need to be in
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that turmoil. We know he was.
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I want to tell her he good. You can relax.
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But in the book, it was a lot longer than that.
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So, you know, I'm glad that they did it and got it over with in
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one episode because in the book you really feel her, her her
00:23:25
pain. Like I think I think we saw it
00:23:30
very well in this episode because you kind of see the toll
00:23:34
it's taking on her, you know. But again, this is based out
00:23:38
over weeks, if I'm not mistaken, like this now.
00:23:42
So the fact that y'all did it all in one episode, got it over
00:23:46
with and got them reunited. OK, great.
00:23:48
So so we're moving on to the next thing.
00:23:50
So they are moving pretty fast this story.
00:23:52
OK, but it's kind of like I I need the William thing resolved
00:23:59
because because again, like and it's nothing.
00:24:02
It has nothing to do with the actress, but also the whole
00:24:05
Amaranthus story in the books. To me, it's kind of dragging on,
00:24:09
but it's because they're introducing the whole thing with
00:24:14
Ben and his, you know, his, he's being a turncoat, and it's
00:24:22
introducing some other stuff having to do with the Grays in
00:24:27
the story, in the books, you know?
00:24:29
But we don't have time for that in the show.
00:24:32
So I need y'all to go ahead and get this, get this out the way.
00:24:35
Whatever y'all gonna do with Amaranth is do it.
00:24:37
Do it 'cause again, she's not one of my favorite characters
00:24:41
either. And then just the way that this
00:24:44
is coming, this is coming through.
00:24:48
If you knew your husband was alive and you are sitting here
00:24:51
leading his like, if you needed another man, if you needed
00:24:55
somebody to take care of you to, to, to marry you, whatever,
00:25:00
whatever, OK, fine. Do what you got to do to take
00:25:03
care of you and your son. And not the man's cousin, not
00:25:06
the cousin that he said was like a brother to him.
00:25:09
Why would you do that, especially if you know that he's
00:25:13
alive? That just that to me, I
00:25:19
wouldn't, I would never trust her.
00:25:21
There would never be any trust in that marriage.
00:25:24
If she and William were to get married, there would be no,
00:25:30
yeah, nothing. So hopefully we'll we'll see
00:25:38
where this is going to go in the next episode.
00:25:40
But also, I don't mind taking a break from the whole Amaranthus
00:25:44
story. I need to see what's going on
00:25:46
with Ian and Rachel. And I did not see what the I did
00:25:50
not see the preview for the next episode.
00:25:52
So I don't know where they're going in the story with the next
00:25:55
episode. I didn't either.
00:25:56
But I need to see what's going on with Ian and Rachel.
00:26:00
I need to know if Ian's family is OK.
00:26:04
I need them to take care of that so they can head on back because
00:26:07
again, Jamie, at this point, he has Buck and thank goodness for
00:26:13
Buck being there. Oh yeah, Buck is ride or die.
00:26:16
I love Buck. Ride or die.
00:26:19
Listen. And he played with the children.
00:26:20
I love it. Love it, but I need Jamie to
00:26:24
have his. I need him to have his crew
00:26:26
around him because the fact that he had to go to Campbell, and
00:26:34
I've been saying the last couple of episodes, I've been saying
00:26:37
Armstrong. I don't know why I had the name
00:26:39
Armstrong in my head, but the fact that he had to go to
00:26:42
Campbell for help, like, oh, OK, you know what?
00:26:45
They trying to they trying to take my land for me.
00:26:48
They trying to shit me off and be killed.
00:26:50
OK, I need a ally and you had to go get the ally that you don't
00:26:55
like. But you know what?
00:26:56
That's the one who's probably going to do the shit that you
00:26:59
don't want to do. He's the one who's not going to
00:27:02
have a problem getting his hands dirty because he's already shown
00:27:05
it on the Ridge. Like, oh, you or Tori, I'm a
00:27:07
hang you real quick. He has no qualms about it.
00:27:11
Whereas Jamie, having been through all of the stuff that
00:27:16
Jamie has been through, Jamie does have a bit of a conscience
00:27:19
and he does have morals. In that sense.
00:27:23
Campbell is like, Nope, he's a loyalist.
00:27:26
Nope, he's a dead man to me. I don't care.
00:27:30
And the fact that you had to go to somebody like that in order
00:27:33
to protect your own is like, I know that's not sitting right
00:27:36
with Jamie. No.
00:27:38
But he don't do what he has to do to protect his family.
00:27:44
So, you know, and again, that whole Cunningham, you know,
00:27:50
after the last episode when he was talking to Claire, he was
00:27:53
like, oh, it must get real lonely for you here at this
00:27:56
house at night. And bro, you already on my hit
00:28:00
list just for that, right, Because you're either being
00:28:03
smarmy or you being threatening. Either way it go, we don't play
00:28:06
that. So, you know, like I said,
00:28:13
they're good because why this man is sitting on the table.
00:28:17
I would have been like, oh, OK. Like, how did you get shot?
00:28:23
Sir? What were you doing?
00:28:26
My son had no intention to harm you, he said.
00:28:29
Why don't you ask yourself what his intentions are?
00:28:31
Right. That's why I was like, you don't
00:28:33
even know Mom well, Buck. Should have said that's not
00:28:37
what. That's not what I saw.
00:28:39
Now you don't even know. No, because that dude was like,
00:28:47
yeah, he'll take you alive or dead.
00:28:49
And right now you give me too many problems.
00:28:51
I think I'm just going bro, Obviously you don't know who you
00:28:56
dealing with. How many times does this man
00:28:58
almost die and and live through it you it ain't his time yet.
00:29:04
It ain't his time yet, and I'm a need you to.
00:29:08
But you know what? Karma is a bitch because you
00:29:11
tried to take Jamie out and now you might not be able to walk
00:29:14
again. So guess what you will You will
00:29:18
be leaving the Ridge in some kind of box.
00:29:20
You might be leaving in a in a box wheelchair or something.
00:29:23
But what? What are you going to do now?
00:29:29
All those years of loyal service to the crown and all it got you
00:29:36
was a bullet in the back and you still didn't accomplish what you
00:29:41
wanted to accomplish. No, he didn't.
00:29:46
So, I mean, even if that other militia shows up, who are they
00:29:52
going to have to help them? Cunning men have all been
00:29:55
disarmed. They all about to get evicted
00:29:58
off the Ridge. Cunningham is probably
00:30:03
paralyzed. I mean, so I know Claire and I
00:30:09
know how seriously she takes her Hippocratic Oath, so I know
00:30:14
she's going to do everything that she can to make sure this
00:30:17
man is fully healed. But I'm just saying I wouldn't
00:30:22
be mad if a small Shard of the bullet got left.
00:30:26
And just like I'm, I'm just saying I have no sympathy for
00:30:35
this man. None.
00:30:38
None. You don't come up on the Ridge
00:30:39
and do what? And try what?
00:30:44
Nah. And then Hiram Crombie, when
00:30:48
Jamie comes up behind him. Mr. Fraser, I can explain.
00:30:51
No, Hell, you can't. No, Hell, you can't.
00:30:55
Ain't no explanations. Ain't nothing.
00:30:58
You got to get off the land, too.
00:31:07
They they better people than than than me.
00:31:10
It couldn't have been me. But so yeah, like I said
00:31:17
earlier, Denzel shows back it. Was good to see him, yes.
00:31:22
I was so happy to see him because he's there in the he's
00:31:27
there in the camp where Rodger is.
00:31:30
And of course, when they first meet each other, they don't know
00:31:32
who each other are. So they just having
00:31:35
conversation. They're trying to save this one
00:31:37
young little boy who was part of the understand why they do this.
00:31:45
The Little Drummer boys that they sent out on the field with
00:31:48
them, like y'all sending them out with a drum and no weapons.
00:31:52
Yeah. For what purpose?
00:31:55
For what purpose? But anyway, it said the
00:31:59
background music, you know? What you can have that if if
00:32:02
he's a I? Don't know you.
00:32:03
Can hear it from the camp. He does not need to be in on the
00:32:06
front lines. No, we know.
00:32:08
I just it's that's stupid. I've.
00:32:10
Never understood that. Like, even in the previous
00:32:13
battles that we've seen, you got the drummer sitting there when
00:32:16
they do the first. Why?
00:32:19
Why that's that's just the automatic.
00:32:21
Like, who signs up for that? Yeah, I'm gonna go play drums on
00:32:24
the front line. Why?
00:32:27
Who? Does that, but then like where
00:32:30
do you go after you do it? So why they fight this stuff?
00:32:33
Do you? What do you they tell you go
00:32:35
like a couple miles away and wait Like no, you do, but like
00:32:41
do it what the see. Probably still play.
00:32:44
I don't know, I I don't know. I don't understand it.
00:32:49
I never have but but a lot of things that they do in war,
00:32:53
especially back then, I don't understand because there there
00:32:57
is no way you're going to have me standing on the front lines
00:33:00
and everybody takes turns shooting and I'm just supposed
00:33:03
to stand there and wait and wait and see whether or not I'm a get
00:33:05
hit or not. Ain't no way in hell why.
00:33:12
What's the whole purpose of that?
00:33:16
So anyway, but yeah, I love the fact that they they finally did
00:33:25
get to meet each other, that we get Denzel and you know, he gets
00:33:29
to see William and I, I like. Tell William about the baby.
00:33:33
Tells William about the baby and William is like yeah OK I'm.
00:33:37
I'm happy for them, truly. I am.
00:33:39
Because William think he's going to have his own family anyway.
00:33:45
But this is how he ends up finding Ben, because he's
00:33:48
walking along with Denzel. Denzel goes into the tent of a
00:33:53
Captain Bleeker and, you know, to give him the list of
00:33:57
casualties. And when Captain Bleeker
00:34:01
accompanies Denzel out the tent, William looks and sees them.
00:34:06
And he's like, looking at William, like, oh, shit.
00:34:12
Yeah, OK, let's, let's see how this is going to go.
00:34:15
And then when William, you know, gives him a hug because he's
00:34:18
happy to see him. And then while he's hugging him,
00:34:20
he was like, I need a minute. I'm in a rebel camp, man.
00:34:26
Look back. You have on a blue corpse, Sir.
00:34:29
And then he punches his cousin in the face.
00:34:31
I was like, you know what? This is going to be an
00:34:33
interesting conversation. Yeah.
00:34:36
Because again, going back to what Brianna said, for you to be
00:34:40
a loyalist, you have a lot of rebel friends and now not just
00:34:45
friends, family, very close family.
00:34:49
So I don't know, I think between that, because of course, I have
00:34:56
a feeling there's going to have to be a conversation.
00:34:59
He's going to have to talk to Ben.
00:35:00
Ben is going to have to tell him, OK, This is why I defected.
00:35:03
William is going to have to start thinking about, about his
00:35:11
own loyalty to the crown. And like, how is it that so many
00:35:17
people that you know, that you love, that are good people, that
00:35:21
you know to be good people are rebels?
00:35:26
They can't. Because, you know, his, his
00:35:28
whole world view was so narrow when we first met him.
00:35:31
He basically was like, oh, if you're a rebel, you're a traitor
00:35:34
and you're a bad person and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:36
And now he sees that that's not true.
00:35:38
Right. And he should see like Oh my
00:35:40
goodness, all of the people I know are starting to your daddy
00:35:45
your real. I may need to think about this.
00:35:47
Your step Mama, your sister, your brother-in-law, your
00:35:51
cousin. Yeah, I may need to think
00:35:55
there's. A lot of people William, so I
00:36:00
don't know between between whatever conversation he's going
00:36:03
to have with Ben about that and then the way that he and Brianna
00:36:08
are starting to, you know, get closer or getting to know each
00:36:13
other better. Brianna kind of telling him her
00:36:15
experience about finding out who Jamie was late in life and
00:36:19
stuff. I think William is due for AI.
00:36:25
Don't want to say a rude awakening, but I think he's
00:36:29
going to have to really start looking at where he is in his
00:36:33
life and kind of learning to evaluate some things for
00:36:37
himself, you know, And unfortunately I have to say this
00:36:41
too, I think Lord John is going to have to do the same thing
00:36:44
too. Because again, your nephew has
00:36:49
now defected, you know, all these other people who are
00:36:54
rebels and they're not only that, but somebody from your own
00:36:58
camp tried to have your son killed.
00:37:01
Y'all need to start thinking of some things.
00:37:03
You know, you need to start rethinking the way you look at a
00:37:06
lot of things. But of course that's all you
00:37:09
know, we rebels. So we we just looking at them
00:37:15
like y'all just need to, you know, like I said, come to the
00:37:18
dark side. We have cookies.
00:37:21
Me and everybody else might as well.
00:37:25
But yeah, I think a lot of things happened in this episode
00:37:31
that are pushing the full story forward.
00:37:35
And now we just got a we got to see where it's going to go.
00:37:38
Generally, because he was a general.
00:37:39
Ben is a general. And see, yeah, you see that?
00:37:42
So me, I'm like, OK, OK. I mean we only have 5 episodes
00:37:45
left. And I played this episode and
00:37:48
why? Why is it on that part?
00:37:50
Oh, on the part where they in the gazebo getting it all, Let's
00:37:53
get it all. But yeah, I was like, y'all just
00:37:58
being mighty bold. Just you, just out here putting
00:38:00
your hands in a skirt, all out in the open door.
00:38:03
And then straddle him. So whatever.
00:38:06
Like y'all just out there in the open for everybody to see.
00:38:09
OK, All right. I I guess y'all just decided
00:38:14
y'all gonna work on that on that child now.
00:38:18
But that MV, the MVP of the episode, is 2 of them.
00:38:22
The first one goes to Buck, of course.
00:38:25
I'm so I'm, I'm, I cannot stress enough how so very glad I am
00:38:32
that he is part of the story. Yep, I am too, and the second
00:38:37
one goes to Franny, who has become a great.
00:38:41
Pai like I I like, yeah. Yeah, she is.
00:38:44
She's I was gonna say, oh, wait a second.
00:38:46
She's learning some skills here. Be on the job training.
00:38:49
I love it. Yep, I, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm
00:38:54
glad that she's acclimating herself to real.
00:38:59
Life and finding a place. I am too, yeah.
00:39:02
And she's, you know, so I love her.
00:39:05
I love her. And I know we have to get to
00:39:07
that storyline too, which we have not.
00:39:11
So then since he and see that that's why we didn't even need
00:39:16
to bring it up. They just had take it for any
00:39:19
home and it not be an issue and. And and that's what they should
00:39:22
have done because again, this. Because now you got it's.
00:39:24
Not in the. It's not in the book.
00:39:26
And now we're we have 5 episodes that's not even being brought up
00:39:30
and that looked like a part of what is happening.
00:39:34
So maybe that's something that we going to find out.
00:39:38
I don't know. And Blood in my blood season 2.
00:39:41
I mean, I don't know. I, you know, at this point I
00:39:46
don't even know if they're gonna do anything else with because I,
00:39:50
I almost feel like the whole thing with the first episode
00:39:55
where they confronted the guy and he told them what happened
00:39:58
to faith and whatever I feel like that may have been.
00:40:04
I I don't know the close because in order for you to.
00:40:12
Bring up something else with that storyline.
00:40:15
You have to do some other things.
00:40:17
I mean, the whole thing with Claire and the white strip of
00:40:20
hair and and her saving the Armstrong's baby.
00:40:26
Maybe they're going to bring it in.
00:40:28
Oh, oh, OK, I get it. So maybe that's how they've
00:40:32
survived. But see, we talked about that
00:40:35
because my whole thing is with the Armstrong's baby, that baby
00:40:40
had just been born. She only had a few minutes, so
00:40:44
there was always the possibility she was able to revive that
00:40:47
baby. You you see that all the.
00:40:50
Yeah, but that she only had a little bit of power.
00:40:52
Imagine if she had a lot. That baby could have been dead
00:40:55
for five hours and she would have been OK.
00:40:57
I don't. That that that's I'm saying that
00:41:01
could be a reason why they did that.
00:41:04
I don't, I don't fall with that. That's zombie baby territory to
00:41:08
me. I don't, I, it just doesn't sit
00:41:11
right with me. No, but with me.
00:41:16
So I, I would almost rather they not address it and just be like,
00:41:21
OK, there's the possibility that something happened.
00:41:24
Cause at this point it doesn't matter.
00:41:27
Fanny's a part of the family whether she's blood or not.
00:41:30
You're right. If, if, if Claire and Jamie want
00:41:34
to think that their faith survived, the end result is the
00:41:38
same. She's dead now.
00:41:40
Yeah, So. That is true though that I mean,
00:41:45
it's it, it just confirms that friend's family.
00:41:50
I don't know. I don't know.
00:41:52
The brother has to play. The brother has to play a a part
00:41:55
in this too though. We got to find her brother.
00:41:57
She has to find out about her brother, please.
00:42:02
I don't even know if that's I don't know.
00:42:05
You get what I'm saying? Like that'll be off and done
00:42:07
too. Find out her her parents had
00:42:09
another kid. That's just too.
00:42:13
But that's too much. It's like.
00:42:15
That's why I say it, why we don't have enough episodes for.
00:42:18
All of these, we don't, we, we really don't.
00:42:20
And though they keep saying that, I don't know, I, I just
00:42:26
don't see, I don't know if I see a way for them to move forward
00:42:33
with that without murking up the waters a little bit more.
00:42:40
Because unless you are definitively going to crossover
00:42:45
Blood of My Blood with this show, which I don't think
00:42:48
they're going to do, and I think they've also said they are not
00:42:51
going to do it, just like I said, it really doesn't make any
00:42:55
sense. Just leave that in the wind.
00:42:58
If they decide to come back later, you know, like I said,
00:43:02
they mentioned something about possibly doing something later
00:43:05
after the 10th book is written. Like that might be a pipe dream,
00:43:09
but leave it for something like that.
00:43:11
Because at this point, I don't need it.
00:43:15
Fanny is at the Ridge. She's part of the family.
00:43:17
That's all I care about. She's good.
00:43:20
What I want to see, I want to see a resolution to this whole
00:43:25
band and Amaranthus thing and it's going.
00:43:28
I want to know what's going on with Ian's Mohawk family and I
00:43:31
need Ian and Rachel to bring their ass back.
00:43:34
I need to know if a certain thing with Fergus and Marcel Lee
00:43:42
is going to happen in this show that happens in the books is a
00:43:46
it's a a pretty major thing. I need to know if that is going
00:43:50
to happen. And then again, I need, I need
00:43:54
them to, to come to the Ridge or, or I need again.
00:43:58
I need, I need one episode where they're all together, where
00:44:02
Claire and Jamie are surrounded by the entire family at once.
00:44:07
I'm tired of this mini reunion here and mini reunion there and
00:44:10
mini reunion. I need everybody together.
00:44:13
I need Jamie and Lord John to get their shit together and and
00:44:17
kiss and make up or DAP and make up.
00:44:20
Whatever they need to do, I need them to to get that resolved.
00:44:25
And then anything else they want to do.
00:44:30
OK, OK. But yeah, I, I don't really want
00:44:36
to spend a lot of time on the whole faith might have lived
00:44:40
thing because again, that just, that didn't make sense to me
00:44:44
when they introduced it. It doesn't make sense to me now.
00:44:47
And I don't think we need it. We have enough going on.
00:44:49
We have enough stuff with the upcoming war and Jamie and the
00:44:56
family stuff. We don't, we don't need the
00:44:58
faith stuff. That's just, that's just my
00:45:01
opinion. We don't need it.
00:45:04
So they can they can just leave that to the wayside.
00:45:09
I got my answer. Maybe Master Raymond did
00:45:14
something. OK, OK, yeah.
00:45:17
And it and it doesn't really do anything for now like it
00:45:20
doesn't. It's it's not really going to
00:45:24
enhance the storyline, I don't think, unless you somehow bring
00:45:29
her back completely and then that again, you need a whole
00:45:32
season to or few or a few more episodes to deal with that.
00:45:36
We just don't have the time for that.
00:45:38
Y'all are y'all are wrapping up the series.
00:45:41
Let's wrap it up. We don't so.
00:45:47
We don't need it. So but yeah, we only have 5
00:45:53
episodes left. Let's let's start this ball
00:45:58
rolling so we can start mourning because you know, I just, I, I'm
00:46:05
not ready for it to be over. But at the same time, I don't
00:46:10
want them to drag it out just for the sake of dragging it out.
00:46:14
Don't start adding other pieces of the story that's not going to
00:46:18
get closed. I'm if you're going to close out
00:46:20
the show, I I'm going to need closure period.
00:46:26
I need closure for everybody. And then if y'all want to tease
00:46:32
that in blood of my blood and, and probably pull it into that
00:46:36
storyline, OK, maybe that I can be a little bit more open with
00:46:40
because we already know that that's not a we know that
00:46:50
there's open possibilities with that because already part of
00:46:53
that story is not what Diana wrote, you know, so I can be a
00:46:59
little bit more lenient there if they introduce some elements of
00:47:03
the story that make me go, OK, well, that could be a
00:47:06
possibility. I, I don't want to do that for
00:47:08
Outlander now, because you've already pretty much set
00:47:11
everything up that we need to, to, to finish this out.
00:47:16
I don't, I don't need to pay stuff.
00:47:18
Leave it alone. So, but did we forget anything
00:47:27
with this episode? No, the fact that the kind of
00:47:29
hands need to get the hell off the reef.
00:47:32
That was, and I think that's when we had, when they start
00:47:37
having us sign leases and stuff, 'cause it's right here, we got
00:47:40
to sign lease and then we need to say you get off, you've been
00:47:43
evicted. Listen, and not only that, but
00:47:47
you can't be a trader on my land.
00:47:49
You can't, you can't Like I'm, I'm letting you be on the land.
00:47:55
Yeah, you got to pay rent and stuff, but still.
00:48:00
I, I mean, I've heard of people not being happy with their
00:48:02
landlords, but y'all are taking this to the extreme.
00:48:06
So yeah, I need them to down here to kick them folks off.
00:48:10
But of course we got a war coming, so that's probably going
00:48:13
to be part of it. They're probably going to be
00:48:16
like, oh, you want to kick me off this land?
00:48:18
Yeah, we really going to come after you now.
00:48:21
But that's OK 'cause he has allies now.
00:48:24
Now what? What that's going to cost him?
00:48:27
We'll see 'cause I don't think Campbell is is, you know, what
00:48:33
was it that he said? He said, you know, when you
00:48:34
rebuff a man so many times, he ends up not wanting to help.
00:48:39
So, you know, there's about to be some some cost for it, like,
00:48:45
oh, OK, yeah, I'll help you get these people off your land.
00:48:49
But this is what you're going to have to allow.
00:48:51
And this is, you know, I think, I don't know, I just think Jamie
00:48:56
probably needs to really think about this partnership he's
00:49:01
about to enter into. Yeah, and I, I just, I really
00:49:04
just hate this for them. I really wish they could just,
00:49:08
they got their home built again. They can just kind of live and
00:49:12
just be in peace. Yeah, in peace.
00:49:14
Like he has fought enough to be completely honest with you.
00:49:18
I mean, he he doesn't need to just leave him alone, right?
00:49:23
He may look young and healthy, but he has been in some.
00:49:28
He been in a lot. Yeah.
00:49:30
And that's just Season 1. Yeah.
00:49:33
So he, he he don't need to be in any more conflict.
00:49:38
Wars, mini wars, battles, no militia.
00:49:40
Just let the man grow old, yeah? 'Cause if I'm not mistaken.
00:49:43
And farm some bees. Leave him alone.
00:49:46
I think at this point Jamie is in his 60s, right?
00:49:53
Just just. Leave him alone.
00:49:54
Yeah, just just let them live their life.
00:49:58
But we already know that's not about to happen.
00:50:00
We gonna look, we gonna see how much of Frank's book is it's
00:50:05
true and how bad it's gonna get. But I know I I don't need Jamie
00:50:10
to die in no, in no war. I do know that much.
00:50:17
Yeah. So, but OK, so 5 episodes left.
00:50:23
By the time the next episode comes out and we talk about it,
00:50:27
Dina should be back from traipsing around the world, Yes.
00:50:32
Do you have any? Do you have any final thoughts
00:50:35
about this episode? I'll think I'm like, I hear you
00:50:44
say no, but I'm looking at your face and I'm just thinking you
00:50:48
got thoughts of that Mirantis on your face, like I just want this
00:50:52
done. I do, but no, that's that's all
00:50:55
I have. So I'm glad that Ben is back so
00:50:57
we can figure out what to see is so he can kick her to the curve
00:51:01
but and go. Find him somebody new.
00:51:05
And I just know these next 5 is just going to be so much because
00:51:10
we're on the last five. I have a feeling it's going to
00:51:14
be a lot of emotions too. And I hope so, because like now,
00:51:20
I'm a myth at the moment. OK, OK.
00:51:27
Yeah. Only because I know there's so
00:51:29
much I want to know and I want tied up into a boat and I'm
00:51:33
like, we don't have time for this.
00:51:34
We don't have time for this. We don't.
00:51:36
I don't have time for them to be in that gazebo making now.
00:51:39
I really don't just 'cause I ain't like it.
00:51:43
Still have time for this? But handle me and Jamie to be
00:51:47
fine. Right.
00:51:48
And I don't have time for us to feel like Roger could be hurt.
00:51:53
Yeah, not gonna die. Yeah.
00:51:55
Oh, OK. So that is the one thing that I
00:51:58
that I wondered about. So when Roger was trying to go
00:52:04
and help someone else and he got hit by that blast, did you see
00:52:09
what? Happened.
00:52:10
Yeah, I did. I was like, did he go somewhere?
00:52:13
Like what was happening? You know how Rodger talks about
00:52:17
how he doesn't remember a lot about his parents?
00:52:20
So what we saw were flashbacks to to one of the air raids that
00:52:28
happened when he was a child. So one of the side stories, I
00:52:33
can't remember if this was in the main books or if it was in
00:52:35
one of the side the novellas, but we get some background about
00:52:41
Rodger's mother, who was they were basically they were taking
00:52:46
shelter and they were in a bomb shelter and the bomb shelter was
00:52:53
attacked. And what we saw was Rodger being
00:52:57
thrown, I think, out of her arms and she did something like she
00:53:02
passed to him to some other people to save him.
00:53:06
And I, if I'm not mistaken again, and and book readers, I,
00:53:10
I could be wrong because I've only read this this story once.
00:53:13
I believe she may have died in that, in that attack.
00:53:20
But whatever she did down there in that bomb shelter saved him.
00:53:26
But I think because it was an attack and he was so young, I
00:53:28
think he kind of sort of blocked it out.
00:53:30
He doesn't remember what happened.
00:53:32
So I think when that blast hit him, he kind of had a flashback.
00:53:37
So they're probably, they'll probably maybe reference that in
00:53:42
one of the future episodes. I don't think they're going to
00:53:44
spend a lot of time on it, but just to kind of give Rodger back
00:53:48
a little bit of his mother and maybe about what may have
00:53:51
happened to his father. Because again, we saw his father
00:53:54
in the last season, they sent his father back.
00:53:57
His father never made, far as he knows, his father never made it
00:54:00
back to them. So maybe Rodger will have a
00:54:05
memory, remember something about his parents or something like
00:54:08
that. Or maybe they'll make it so
00:54:10
that, you know, that last memory he has his dad, Maybe that was
00:54:16
the same time his dad actually died, Like his dad came back,
00:54:20
saved him, died in the, you know, I, I don't know.
00:54:25
But I have a feeling they're they're going to give us some
00:54:28
piece of Roger's memory because other than that, why put that in
00:54:30
there? So, yeah, yeah.
00:54:34
Yeah. So which it would be nice to see
00:54:37
a little bit of, you know, maybe see a little glimpse of Roger's
00:54:41
dad again, Maybe that can be some some closure for him and
00:54:45
you know, who knows. But again, I don't think it's
00:54:48
something that's going to take up a whole bunch of a whole
00:54:51
bunch of screen. Time no, because what's going to
00:54:52
end up happening is he's once I get home and actually made it
00:54:55
he'll talk about it. Yeah, to Brianna and that maybe
00:54:59
that will come up. Yeah.
00:55:01
And maybe. Too, Yeah, but again, that
00:55:04
wasn't something to add on. We got five more episodes.
00:55:06
We don't need new stuff. There's not another season
00:55:09
coming out, right? No new things.
00:55:13
OK, so five more episodes. We know it's about to be a lot
00:55:18
of emotion, but like I said, I need some reunions.
00:55:21
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00:55:25
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