#outlander Roger and Brianna arrive in Savannah, where Bree gets a proper introduction to her brother. Roger appeals to the leader of the Continental Army for weapons, but does not find the answers he needs. Amaranthus makes her feelings known. Fergus is given some extraordinary news that could potentially change his life. Rachel learns some disturbing news that may involve Ian's former Mohawk family. Jamie searches for allies when he hears of a plot that endangers him, and runs into an unexpected face.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and we are discussing episode 4 of the
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final season of Outlander. Dina, unfortunately, is not with
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us today. We've had a lot of scheduling
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changes this week. So this is Friday.
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Dina is off traipsing around the world on a cruise boat.
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Oh, I know, so jealous. So she will miss this episode
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and the next episode, but that's OK, we're going to hold it down
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while she's gone. We hope you're having fun while
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we're over here. Jealous.
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But anyway, that's OK because we're on spring break.
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Yay. Yay.
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OK, Episode 4. There are a lot of things that
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happened in this episode that made me very, very happy.
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I don't know where I want to start.
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Where do you want to start? Let's do you want to talk about
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Michelle? Let's talk about what you want
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to talk about, especially since you missed the last episode.
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Do you have anything you want to say about the last episode or is
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your brain currently on episode 4?
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I think my brain is currently on episode 4.
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I'm trying to think was there anything from episode 3 now?
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I kind of forgot what happened to episode 3 now.
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I I do know one thing that might be on your mind because you said
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that you didn't want William to fall in love with Amaranthus
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and. Was that that episode where they
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where where she kissed them? And yeah, yeah, when she was
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saying we get married. And I'm got a little confused
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because she was jealous. Well, what?
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Yeah, she was. No, that's that's this.
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Oh, no, that's this episode though.
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So though was when they actually kissed, she she went up to him
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and said something about you. You look like type of person
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who's not going to live by what other people expect of you.
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No, I was more upset on this one so.
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OK, OK, so let's talk about it. Same, same people.
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With Amaranthus. Yes.
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Because I'm like, pump your brakes, ma'am.
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Pump your brakes. When did your husband die?
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Last week. No.
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I You can't wait. I don't care.
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I don't care. That was a joke.
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I know what last. Week.
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But just for context, I think like from the time that they met
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to the to now, I think at least several weeks have passed.
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You could, you could have gave me months, but you said weeks.
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So no, no. No, you know what?
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You might be right. It could be months because I
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forgot William went all the way from Savannah to Philadelphia
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trying to find out about his cousin.
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That's not a very quick trip especially he's going by course.
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So we may be in two a few months, but.
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Even so, I I get what you're saying.
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Yeah. No, no, ma'am.
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Pump your brakes. And then all I know was I'm.
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I I just want him to find the love of his own, OK?
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I don't want there to be any issues.
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I just wanted to find just a normal girl in those streets.
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Just just normal. Not tied to nothing, not related
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to nobody. Just a normal girl.
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Just normal. In those times, that kind of
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thing happens a lot where you know you have someone who was
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married to somebody. Yeah I do I was, I totally
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agree, but she coming on like she was never married in the 1st
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place because at least at least other people be like you know, I
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still feel for John, but I I'm having feelings.
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She still has feelings for Ben because when she talks about Ben
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you do get the emotion, but again, but after.
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But after but when that conversation changed, that girl
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got jealous so she wasn't thinking about no being.
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She got jealous when he was talking to Brianna.
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Like jealous. Like I mean, oh, I'm gonna go
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upstairs with this baby. I can't even be down here with
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y'all. I've been breathing like
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jealous. Pretty girl and she didn't.
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Know yes jealous so I get no I'm sorry coming on too strong I
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mean I wasn't. Looking at her side, I like you
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just going to be rude to the woman walking in.
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Like you don't know what kind of connection they have to that
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family. Like you're a part of the
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family, but you are still a new part of the family.
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You don't know what that dynamic is.
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And let's be honest, Brianna has ties to both Laura, John and
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William. So it could have been anything
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he could have been. She could have been a cousin,
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another cousin, right? Blue because she hasn't met
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Ben's family, so she could have been, even though I know you
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haven't heard of her yet. He has a sister.
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Dottie. She could have been Dottie for
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all they knew, you know, but you know, OK, but.
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But yeah, right. So looking at her side, I like.
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Right. And and from her from her
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comments, and I know it's mentioned in the past, but from
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her comments, then you start to really realize that Will and
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Brianna are very striking looking people because she even,
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you know, mentioned that like, oh, OK, your dad must be look
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good. Look at why you trying to
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recruit him too. Like what you what you looking
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for? What you looking for here?
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Nah, she wouldn't. She wouldn't get away with the
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Jamie. No, not in that.
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We are. First of all, we are ready.
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We. We're not even going to count
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Claire in this. Laura gonna.
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Be like pump your brakes girl. Yeah, we, we already been
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through this. But yeah, I wasn't, I'm sorry.
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I wasn't feeling her and I'm still not feeling her and I
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still want him to be. I hope this is not the end game.
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Hopefully is not the end game. I honestly don't know.
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Again, they are, they are doing some things differently from the
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book because I I feel like they're trying to close out
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storylines and not leave us with a whole bunch of stuff that's
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kind of open. So I don't know, maybe they'll
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do him and Amaranth is to kind of tie this up in a nice bowl
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for us to see that old William is happy and blah, blah, blah,
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which they don't really have time to do anything else.
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So I don't know. Because think about it.
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The only other person he really had interest in beside Jane was
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Rachel and she definitely is off limits so.
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Oh, and I I got that one for that one.
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Yeah, so I, I, I don't know, I'm kind of, I'm kind of on the
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fence with the whole Amaranthus thing.
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I want to see how they're going to do the storyline in the show
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and that'll make me kind of, I guess swing one way or the
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other. At this point right now, I
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really don't care because I guess for me for with William
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storyline, that's not the important thing.
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Like yes, I want William to find happiness.
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I want him to, you know, find a love and blah blah, blah.
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But for me, I really want him to focus on his family and and
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bridging that gap. That is what's important to me
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for his character art for this season.
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And the fact that we finally get him and Brianna in the same room
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talking, you know, they, they, they finally get to meet
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properly face to face. And it's not exactly, it's not
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the way that it was in the book. It's a little more subdued.
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I feel like because there's less, there's less stuff going
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on because like I said, the whole thing with Brianna coming
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to do the portrait for Amaranthus is different in the
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book because she's doing a portrait for somebody else.
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William is trying to help somebody else do something else.
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And so it's kind of a little bit of chaotic, you know, a little
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bit of chaos. But I like this because it's
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kind of more, it's more subtle. It's more, hey, we get a chance
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to actually talk and converse and, you know, have a mature
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conversation. And I like that because, you
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know, William, after finding out about Jamie, you know, he had
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been on Hot Head Central for so long.
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You know, anytime Jamie was mentioned, he was going off and
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even at the beginning of this season, you know, being drunk
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all the time because of what was going on.
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So I liked their meeting and I really hope we get to see more
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of them together, which seems like a possibility since now
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Brianna is stuck in Savannah because of Rodger.
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But we'll get we'll get into that too.
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But that was one of the things I was we're looking forward to in
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this season. And I'm glad we get to see them
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together now because I really feel like I feel like Brianna's
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bond with William will help him with Jamie, especially since now
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we find out that's why Lower John wanted her there.
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Like, look, you've been through this before, finding out that
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Jamie Fraser is your father. I'm just hoping that you can
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talk some and I don't, I don't want to say talk some sense into
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him, but let him know that it is possible.
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You know, you can be angry and go through all of the emotions
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and still have this great relationship with this man.
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Because I think even though Jamie and John are still at
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odds, I think overall John still cares about Jamie.
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He loves, he definitely loves his son and he wants that.
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Like, I feel like that will make things whole.
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So I'm I'm glad they got a chance to finally meet.
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So, you know, we'll see how that goes too.
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Because William, one thing about him, he is Jamie Fraser's son.
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He's stubborn just like the rest of them.
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So, you know, it might, I think it'll help him to know that
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Brianna went through something similar, especially because
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their stories are so no parallel.
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You know, she was probably right around the same age when she
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found out about Jamie. I think she was maybe 19-20
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around that time. You know, you find out that
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you're the person who you thought was your father is not
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your father and that your father is this.
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Well I think she had it worse because she had to find out that
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her father was in the past and that her mom was a time
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traveller. She had way more things to deal
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with with her reveal than he does.
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But the emotions are still the same.
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So I'm hoping he she can help him and and we can have a nice
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big family reunion by the time this season ends.
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That would be so great. Yeah, that would be great.
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Yeah. Let me see next off, let's get
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to oh, our favorite uncle is back.
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Let me tell. You without any heart problems I
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love. It I had tears in my eyes when I
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saw, when I heard the voice, when when Jamie put pulled the
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gun on him. He was like, I hear you're
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acquainted with my daughter. He was like, I, I am.
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I was. Is that bug?
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Because it damn sure doesn't sound like Rob Cameron.
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Then when they put the camera on him, when I say I was so
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excited, like I, I knew I missed him.
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I knew I wanted to see the character, but the amount, the
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level of excitement I had when I saw him, I was surprised by
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myself. I was like, oh, I really didn't
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want this character to come back because I literally started
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tearing up. Like, yes, Buck is there.
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He's going to be with the family.
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He's not going to be alone. And then again, like I said,
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Rodgers not going to be alone. Now Rodger has someone you know.
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Right. And yeah, we we found out that
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the Cameron issue was taken care of.
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And I'm so glad because if if it means what I mean what I think
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it means, you know, he told Jamie, he said no.
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I came back to tell Rodger and Brianna that Rob Cameron will no
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longer be a problem for them and to give Rodger back his WE book.
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I said did did Rob Kim? I mean, did a buck go back and
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kill them? I don't know, but I like he said
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and I got the book so we can give it to him.
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No, I just got a book in my hand.
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But here, here's his book. Basically, we need to do
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something with this book. That's what caused us the
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problems in the beginning 'cause you don't put stuff up.
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Don't don't get me started to. Have we don't want it to get
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into the wrong hands a second time.
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Wait till he finds out what Brianna and Rodger brought back
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with them. See.
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Let's not go back there. Let's.
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Not go back, but but I am curious, even though we probably
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won't get it because again, that would have led into a whole
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bunch of other stuff they really don't have time to do in this
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season. But I wonder, did he go back to
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or did he go forward to the 1980s And, you know, go confront
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Rob Cameron there and take care of the situation?
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Or did Rob Cameron end up where Buck was looking for them?
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You know, because if he was looking for Rodger and Brianna,
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it probably would have taken him to 1738 because that's where
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they were at the time. So I am curious about that, like
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is Rob Cameron a time traveller and was he able to go back?
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But either way it goes, apparently according to book,
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Rob is gone. And I'm OK with that.
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I don't have to have closure on that storyline for the show.
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I can read about it in the book when book 10 comes out.
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But I'm glad he's back and he's another person that will help
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Jamie out because Jamie is dealing with some stuff on the
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Ridge. He is, but I also like how the
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children was excited to see. But before we move on, I was
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excited about. The children were excited to see
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him, he was excited to see them and.
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Oh, Jamie. When Jamie got a chance to look
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at him fully in the face when he was like you remind me of your,
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of your father, I was like, I like that for Buck as well,
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because that is someone that he can ask questions about Dougal
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and probably get the answers that end even maybe a little bit
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about Gaylors too, but y'all just can't.
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Well, I mean he honestly probably he saw when he was
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conceived so you know, when they got friendly in the back.
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So at least he seen both his parents before, so he's able to
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win. They had those conversations.
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He can think about them. No, that was a few years.
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That was a few years before he was conceived.
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I. Know but I'm just saying that
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how they got together but he can lease Oh or the stories about
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his mom but don't don't ask them questions.
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I mean as as long as they don't mention the fact that they
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killed Dougal and that Claire killed Leary.
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I mean, Galis not lyric. Was it Lyric or that Claire
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killed Galis because Galis was trying to kill Brianna?
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Like I think that would be a little bit too much for bucks.
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So maybe not tell him that stuff.
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You know, at least he has someone he can talk to and be
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like, OK, So what was my dad really like?
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And Jamie can be like, well, let's have that conversation
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because at times he was great and at times he was a Dick.
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I mean, I mean, I don't fall too far from the tree, you know, but
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we like him now. We didn't like him when he hung
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Rogers, right. And then he did say, you know,
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he he had some issues in the past.
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So but Yep, that was my other favorite moment of the episode.
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The other thing was, OK, So what did you think about Percy's
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conversation with Fergus and about Fergus's origin story?
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I I just feel like we have talked about this before, but
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maybe we talked about this off camera.
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Oh yeah. Because I asked questions like,
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is this legit? I felt for him because he's not
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having to go back and and think about who he really is.
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But I like the last part when he said that he already has a great
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father and he's a part. Yeah.
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So that right there was like, oh, Fergus.
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But it's going to be interesting what he's planning on doing.
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Like, do you claim it or not claim it?
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All the paperwork is in order. Now.
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You can use this for good. You can also take care of your
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children. But I understand all money is
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not good money. That's true.
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And all power is not good power. So it may be something you want
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to leave, and I'm with you on that.
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Especially given who the comp signs your man was, because
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like, he told Marcela he was like, she tried to kill.
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He tried to kill my lady in Paris.
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Remember, that was when Fergus first joined them.
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Like Fergus was. Yeah.
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So I think I think it's going to be interesting because I feel
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like I don't know, because there are sometimes when I feel like
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he should take the money and, and take care of his family,
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take care of his his children. Because especially with what he
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went through a couple of years ago, you know, he was feeling so
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distraught and downtrodden about the fact that he couldn't
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support his family that he actually tried to off himself.
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So. The fact that now this money and
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this inheritance is, you know, is sitting there waiting to be
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claimed, it could be a blessing. But The thing is, like he said
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at that point, if he claims that he would have to go public with
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the fact that St. Jermain was his father.
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And I don't think he wants to do that because also, not just the
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fact that Jamie has been a good father to him and and he wants
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to protect that. But from what he knows about the
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cop, they may have enemies. And those enemies may not be
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dead even though he has disappeared.
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They may come after Fergus. Yeah.
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And does he really want that smoke?
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I mean, especially after we see he's already, you know, having
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issues with the townspeople because of the fact that he and
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Marsley are printing the truth but not printing the truth.
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What is it that he said they print?
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They do print like sedition materials for the for the the
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rebels. But he said publicly.
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They keep a neutral, you know, they keep a neutral stance and
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that angers people on both sides because they're like, oh, you're
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not claiming 1, you must be claiming for the other or
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whatever you need to put pick a side.
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So basically they're they've been tormenting them with it.
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Mar Marcelou say they've received bags of dead rats.
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They've had bricks thrown through their windows.
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They've been, you know, messed with so well.
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Fergus would want to take on anything additional that would
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come with, you know, the the acknowledgement that he is the
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son of the Comp Saint Germain. It just might not be worth.
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It No, that's what I was thinking.
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And you already have a family. You already established.
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Yeah, that helps what? Bring more food to your table, a
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better home, but really all the other complications that comes.
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With it might not be worth. It it may not be worth it.
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Yeah, especially out of cheerings you have.
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You got to take care of them. And yeah, you can't do that if
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you got people come. I mean, it's bad enough people
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are coming after you just for being a a printer.
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You would literally have to upend your life and and change
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everything if you claim this money.
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That's just like if I were to win the Powerball, people.
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People will probably know it because I don't think Georgia is
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one of those states where you can claim it anonymously.
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Yeah, you can't. You have to say you.
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Think I'm a stay in my house, no.
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No, no, have people knocking on your door.
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No, y'all can't. Y'all can't come over here.
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Y'all can't borrow no money. No, like, I'm like.
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You'd be totally living somewhere totally different and
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we just see you on Zoom. But no.
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I still come hang out, but it would it when I say my my circle
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is well, my circle is already kind of small as far as who I
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really, really hang out with and like even who I let come into my
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house. So that wouldn't be much of a
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problem, but it's like. And you can't even be hanging
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out in this in this area. Like you totally can't even.
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I can't. No, we got a little Savannah or
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somewhere. Yes, the Bahamas looking nice,
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right. Or let me go do one of those,
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one of those $30 cruises where it takes you to 27
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different countries. Yeah, I would.
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I would probably do something like that.
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But, yeah, so I don't know. But I I think I think it's
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interesting because at this point, with all of these
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revelations, at least Fergus can kind of look back on his life
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and see certain things. Like when he was talking about
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the woman who was supposed to be his mother, you know, he talks
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about how she seemed to like him less than any of the other
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children. And, you know, that could be
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because of the way the comp. Saint Germain, you know, treated
00:23:22
her when he found out she was pregnant.
00:23:25
Then we find out that she apparently forced him to marry
00:23:28
her. And there's like, so much, so
00:23:32
much stuff. And yeah.
00:23:34
And so she probably has some bitterness towards Fergus or she
00:23:39
probably was also like, OK, let me.
00:23:42
I mean, she could have done that to protect him as well because
00:23:45
if she showed favoritism to him, if the cop came looking for
00:23:50
Fergus when he was younger, then it would be easier for him to
00:23:53
get them, you know, if, oh, this is your child, so this is my
00:23:56
child. Maybe she did that to protect
00:23:59
him, you know, because again, Fergus said that the girls used
00:24:04
to call her the Duchess, which was supposed to be like a cruel
00:24:07
nickname. But obviously, if they're
00:24:08
calling her the Duchess, they know or had some kind of inkling
00:24:13
about who her her husband, her suitor, the person who put her
00:24:19
in The Who sold it to the brothel.
00:24:21
They had some kind of idea, you know, that could have that could
00:24:26
have come back and bit Fergus on the ass even as a child later
00:24:30
on. So maybe she just did it to
00:24:32
protect him. But the way that he says when
00:24:34
she was dying, she called him into the room and told him, be a
00:24:38
good boy. Who says that?
00:24:41
Your parents, your mom says that, you know, like, be a good
00:24:44
boy. Don't don't, you know, make
00:24:47
anything harder for anyone else or, you know, don't get into
00:24:50
trouble, that sort of thing. That's something that a mother
00:24:53
tells their child. So it was heartbreaking watching
00:24:57
that realization for him because this is somebody he probably
00:25:00
never really thought about again.
00:25:02
You know what? She died.
00:25:04
You know, you live in a brothel. Girls come and go, girls, you
00:25:08
know, die and whatever. He probably never really thought
00:25:12
about her. And now it's like he's got to go
00:25:14
back and replay every little part of his life back then that
00:25:18
just kind of, I don't know, maybe grasp for kindness or
00:25:23
grasp for understanding, which he probably, I think at the end
00:25:28
of the day, Claire is his mother and I think that's enough for
00:25:34
him. But still you, you can't help
00:25:36
but be curious after all this time, 30 something years and now
00:25:41
all of a sudden you have more information about your origins
00:25:46
than you've ever had in your life.
00:25:48
He never even knew who his mom was, you know, So that was kind
00:25:55
of sweet, but it was also sad because, you know, I don't like
00:25:59
anything to, to hurt my Fergus. And he, he was a little hurt,
00:26:06
you know? Yeah, yeah.
00:26:09
And he has to rethink everything from growing up in the brothel
00:26:12
and stuff. And he's, well now he's kind of
00:26:16
giving ideas of why is mom treated in this way, that way.
00:26:19
So, yeah, yeah. But I mean, even though he he's
00:26:26
found out and I'm sure he will understand, you know, once he
00:26:31
kind of has the time to process it, still that doesn't take away
00:26:35
the hurt that he had as a vegan, you know?
00:26:39
Oh, but I don't know Claudel. What, what would they call him?
00:26:46
I don't even know because I know that Saint Germain might not be
00:26:49
his actual name. That might be the title.
00:26:53
But if that is Claudel St. Germain, it does not have the
00:26:58
same. No, it sounds very pretentious.
00:27:03
And that is something that Fergus is not at all.
00:27:07
But I did think about the fact when when he found out that he
00:27:12
might be this person's son and he's coming into some wealth.
00:27:17
I can help thinking back to second season when he told Jamie
00:27:24
after his hand got cut off, he was like, yes, I'm a man of
00:27:27
leisure now. Like you told me you would take
00:27:29
care of me for the rest of my life.
00:27:30
I'm like, oh, you really a man of leisure now, Fergus?
00:27:34
Now you got to really take care of me.
00:27:36
Right. No, He can take care of
00:27:37
everybody else. Yeah, now he can.
00:27:41
Everybody, everybody, everybody. Rodger.
00:27:46
Brianna, he's like, yeah, come on, family, let's spend this
00:27:48
money. But it's not it.
00:27:52
It's not going to be that easy because what is it?
00:27:55
He he told Percy. He said OK.
00:27:57
He said y'all come and look for me.
00:27:59
What do you want? He was like, cuz this good
00:28:02
fortune isn't coming without a price tag.
00:28:06
Yeah, yeah. So there's some land that comes
00:28:09
with this inheritance and we got some French folk who want to
00:28:13
settle in the Americas. And we want you to sell it to
00:28:17
us. And we'll give you a very, very,
00:28:19
very, very, very, very good price for like he kept, he kept
00:28:23
like reiterating, like, we'll give you a really, really,
00:28:27
really good price on it. Like, why do you want this man
00:28:33
that bad? I understand you want to settle,
00:28:36
but I don't know, something about it seems fishy.
00:28:41
So. But luckily Fergus has good
00:28:44
instincts. He always has.
00:28:47
So maybe he'll, I don't know, he'll make the right choice for
00:28:53
for him and his family, I think. But yeah, you get that money,
00:28:57
you got to come out from Savannah.
00:28:59
You got to go live on the Ridge, maybe.
00:29:01
Yeah. Because anybody, yeah, people
00:29:04
would have to really, really want you to come up to the Ridge
00:29:08
to get you. Yeah, but that makes it
00:29:12
dangerous for everybody. I know.
00:29:14
We don't need another. Five.
00:29:15
No, we don't and you got too many kids to protect.
00:29:23
So let's see where do I want to go?
00:29:27
Rachel. Rachel.
00:29:32
OK, so we can talk about Rachel. Yeah, I was going to go to the
00:29:36
Cunningham's, but yes, let's talk about Rachel, cause we got
00:29:39
to talk about Ian and we got to talk about this whole thing.
00:29:43
So of course, Rachel has the baby there at the trade.
00:29:48
She's at the trading Post and she happens to see a newspaper
00:29:52
article about a massacre that takes place up north.
00:29:57
And I can't remember the town name, but it is the town that
00:30:01
she knows that Emily Ian's first wife and his son are living in.
00:30:09
So she finally gets up the nerve to tell him when he comes back
00:30:15
from, you know, scouting with Jamie or not scouting,
00:30:18
recruiting people for their militia, which we will talk
00:30:22
about that too. But she basically tells him,
00:30:26
like, hey, so yeah, there was this attack on the, you know, in
00:30:34
the area where your ex-wife and your child are and don't know
00:30:40
what's going on with them. It ends like, look, I gotta go.
00:30:43
I gotta go make sure that they're safe.
00:30:45
Like, I'm sorry, I have to go. And she was like, you mean we
00:30:51
have to go? Right, but she would make it.
00:30:54
That's all I have to say. She would making sure she going
00:30:56
on this trip now. Yeah, she was staying home with
00:30:59
the baby. No.
00:31:01
But, you know, on the one hand, I understand it because of I, I,
00:31:09
I guess one, because of the way that she found out about Emily,
00:31:12
like you found this out after you had already fallen in love
00:31:15
with this man. It's kind of like, do you still
00:31:17
have feelings for her? Is that why you didn't tell me
00:31:19
about her when she says he doesn't?
00:31:22
But. It will.
00:31:23
It's a lot. He doesn't have to have feelings
00:31:26
for Emily, but you got everyone has to realize, and I think
00:31:30
Rachel has realized and that's how she feels this way.
00:31:33
It's that he has a lot of emotions tied to that part of
00:31:36
his life. It was a lot for him.
00:31:39
Especially given the fact that. He did not leave that life
00:31:43
voluntarily, Right. And then to then start doubting
00:31:48
yourself and your body and what you can put out into the world.
00:31:55
So it's a lot of emotion tied to Emily.
00:31:58
And then also, it's his kid. Yeah.
00:32:01
The kid, The kid. I mean, we, we, you know, yeah.
00:32:06
White Wolf. Little Wolf.
00:32:07
What's his name? Swift is the lizards.
00:32:10
Oh, I put Wolf. Because you're thinking of Ian's
00:32:14
Mohawk name. His Mohawk name is Wolf's
00:32:16
brother. OK, yeah, that sounds like I got
00:32:18
Wolf from. But it's a lot of emotions and
00:32:22
she sees that and I'm also glad I make jokes of it.
00:32:25
But I'm glad she's very honest to herself and she's honest to
00:32:29
Claire of really the reason why year ago.
00:32:33
Yeah, because I'm, I got a little bit of insecurity.
00:32:37
Yeah. And and because he has a lot of
00:32:39
emotion tied up into this, I need to make sure he remembers
00:32:44
he got another family and don't get tied up into this family,
00:32:47
that first family. So you know he wouldn't do that.
00:32:54
But you still don't know, right? He going there and then he end
00:32:58
up, you know, having. Fun.
00:32:59
You might see them. And he end up as chief.
00:33:02
You never know. But I'm coming with you to make
00:33:05
sure you coming back home to the yeah, to our kids.
00:33:11
Because that's going to be a long journey.
00:33:13
Because even Claire was like, you sure you don't want to
00:33:16
leave? No, this my newborn.
00:33:18
I'm not. I'm taking my child with me.
00:33:22
Look, I need to. I need him to to see that
00:33:27
there's still something to come back.
00:33:29
But again, you know, I don't think of course she doesn't have
00:33:32
to worry about that with Ian, but I think that's only natural
00:33:35
for anybody in that kind of situation.
00:33:38
You know, especially again, like I said, Ian didn't leave that
00:33:41
situation voluntarily. He still loved Emily for a long
00:33:45
time, probably still does, just not in the same way and not in
00:33:50
the way that he. But he also loved the the other
00:33:52
people there, like his brothers, like he he did love those people
00:33:56
too. And that's, that's a lot.
00:33:58
So I mean, I, I mean, I, I get it, 'cause you she still, she
00:34:03
still don't know he can still get up there and be like, oh,
00:34:05
now maybe I need to have two wives.
00:34:07
You know, my, my play cousin does.
00:34:12
No, that ain't even happy. No.
00:34:16
She living on a Ridge with two husbands, no.
00:34:23
Even though we we not seeing them both at the same time in
00:34:26
these episodes. No, we did.
00:34:27
We only saw one. Yeah, but but yeah, so again, I
00:34:35
don't know which way the show is going to go.
00:34:36
I hope that this is not a sad trip for Ian, you know, I hope
00:34:43
that he gets there and they are OK.
00:34:46
I. Hope so too.
00:34:50
And then if they follow some stuff that happens in the books,
00:34:55
yeah, I'm not going to say whether or not I'll be happy or
00:34:58
sad, but I, I just, yeah, I, I wouldn't be mad if they went the
00:35:02
direction they went in the book. So I'll just say it like that.
00:35:07
But Yep, Ian is off the Ridge, and I really feel like, I don't
00:35:18
know, it almost seems like things are conspiring to have
00:35:22
Jamie on the Ridge without his main wingman.
00:35:28
Because here it is. Rodger is in Savannah with Bree.
00:35:33
He because they're going to try to get guns and of course that
00:35:37
doesn't work out well for him because once the general that
00:35:41
he's going to speak to or is it capital?
00:35:44
Once once he realizes who Rodgers asking for the guns for,
00:35:49
he was like, oh, is this the same dude that that quit in the
00:35:53
middle of of a war because his wife was dying?
00:35:57
And I'm like, y'all read like y'all really just don't give a
00:36:03
fuck about your women to the point where y'all are like, Oh
00:36:08
yeah, he's shut. He he, this is what he did.
00:36:11
We don't want to support him. What?
00:36:15
But I'm like, Roger was like he, but he was done like he was done
00:36:21
right. Like, the battle was pretty much
00:36:25
already on. Yeah.
00:36:26
And his wife needed taken care of.
00:36:28
I mean, he was done. Friends, can we just let that
00:36:30
go? He was done.
00:36:33
Is it true that he that he wrote his resignation in mud?
00:36:37
Actually, it was his wife's blood.
00:36:38
Like, that just made it. Roger, you should have shut up.
00:36:41
That just made. It right at that point you like
00:36:43
this man? Crazy man.
00:36:45
Yeah, like, no, we're not sending you no guns.
00:36:48
And then of course, Rodger gets stuck there because they're
00:36:51
like, yeah, they've already blocked the streets.
00:36:53
No one can go in or out. You're just going to be stuck
00:36:56
here. So you can either minister or
00:36:58
you can pick up a gun and help fight.
00:37:01
And I was like, yo Rodger don't need to be in no more battles.
00:37:07
You know, however, at least I know for sure and I ain't even
00:37:12
worried about it. He will survive.
00:37:14
We're not doing this. We not killing him.
00:37:16
All I know that I'm confident. So whatever he need to do, he
00:37:21
need to get a rifle. He'll be good.
00:37:22
It probably may shoot him in the butt, but he's going.
00:37:24
He's going to live. Roger ain't going nowhere.
00:37:28
Plus. He has to come back and see that
00:37:31
butt. Came.
00:37:32
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He ain't going nowhere.
00:37:34
And he and he looking quite tasty too.
00:37:36
But he's not going anywhere, so listen out.
00:37:40
I don't know what it is, but it's like between you and Dina,
00:37:44
the last couple of episodes y'all have been like switching
00:37:47
off talking about how good Roger is looking this season, which
00:37:50
I'm not disagreeing he is, but it's like, I don't know, did he
00:37:55
put a little oomph in his sauce or something?
00:37:58
Because I something a little weight.
00:38:01
I don't know what it is because I really have never been a Roger
00:38:05
person, but what I'm so I was like, oh.
00:38:09
OK. See, that was me and the last
00:38:14
season when he was getting ready to go teach and he had on the
00:38:18
dark shirt and the kilt. Something about that look.
00:38:22
I was like, oh, hello Rodger. Yeah, I was like.
00:38:25
OK. And I don't know, maybe it also
00:38:27
could be the dark clothes because it I feel like the
00:38:31
darker clothes brought out his eyes more.
00:38:34
And it was just like that one episode.
00:38:36
I was like, OK, Rodger Mack, I see you.
00:38:41
And I think some people, I saw some people complaining online
00:38:44
about they were saying the first few episodes he didn't look
00:38:49
quite like himself. And then I was like, well, yeah,
00:38:53
something seemed awful about him.
00:38:56
But I have to remember he was he's coming from the 19th, I
00:38:59
mean, the 1730s into this time. So, and, and, and not only that,
00:39:07
he's coming from the 1730s and from the 7th, from the 1980s
00:39:11
before that. So he still has his his short
00:39:15
hair, which is not really how they wear their hair in this
00:39:18
particular time, Probably having to find more clothes that that
00:39:24
fit him. And of course, they're not going
00:39:25
to have just like his his clothes on the Ridge.
00:39:27
They've been gone for how long? And Jamie and Claire were gone
00:39:31
for how long? So most of Rodgers stuff is
00:39:33
probably gone. So he probably just wasn't well
00:39:37
put together the first few episodes because it's kind of
00:39:39
like, Hey, we popped in here from the 1980s and we planning
00:39:44
to stay. So now we need, you know, we
00:39:46
need to be clothed and all this other stuff.
00:39:48
So I think that's probably what it is.
00:39:50
But yeah, he's he's looking particularly snackish in these
00:39:55
last few episodes. Not mad.
00:39:58
At all? Yeah, not at all.
00:40:02
Yeah, OK, so I'm in the background.
00:40:06
I have the the scene is playing where Brianna arrives in
00:40:11
Savannah and Lord John is talking and Amaranthus storms
00:40:15
off and I'm sitting here like Lord John made it.
00:40:20
I think Lord John picked up on what was going on with
00:40:23
Amaranthus because he made it a point to mention Breanna's
00:40:28
husband. Like, oh, I thought your husband
00:40:31
was joining you. She said he had an errand in
00:40:33
town. That doesn't mean that he's not
00:40:35
coming. So the fact that this man
00:40:38
mentioned her husband and you still got up in your your your
00:40:43
panties up in the ward and and stormed off girl, get it
00:40:48
together. He really did though.
00:40:52
I mean like I, I, I had to calls and be like what?
00:40:57
What we doing here, right? What are we doing?
00:41:01
Because even because if you're getting mad after, even after
00:41:08
Lord John has mentioned this woman's husband, the fact that
00:41:12
you thought that her and William had a thing going on or
00:41:15
whatever. So basically you're saying that
00:41:18
you feel like Laura John is the type of person who would marry,
00:41:22
who would welcome a married woman into his home with William
00:41:27
if he suspected like that. That whole her whole jealousy
00:41:32
thing is just, it's so layered because again, like William said
00:41:38
to her later on, he was like, I hope you don't think that I will
00:41:41
be the type of person who would just like be flirting or
00:41:46
whatever with a, with a married woman.
00:41:49
And she was like, well, whether whether it's something now or
00:41:52
not, I can see that you guys had there's something between y'all.
00:41:55
He was like, it's my sister and it's so it's so weird hearing
00:42:02
him say her name. He was like, he was like Missus
00:42:06
McKenzie, Brianna. I was like, oh, that sounds
00:42:09
weird because I'm so used to him saying Missus McKenzie, but he
00:42:15
was like, she's my sister. And then he tells her the truth
00:42:19
because she was like, I thought you didn't have sisters.
00:42:22
You didn't have. I thought you were only child.
00:42:25
He's like, OK, yes, I'm a bastard and this is what's going
00:42:31
on and she is my sister and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:42:35
Like I don't know. I don't feel, I don't feel right
00:42:41
about the fact that she was the first person he told.
00:42:45
Like there are other people I feel like, like Henry or even I,
00:42:52
I don't know, like I said, I'm on the fence with about him and
00:42:57
her because it's kind of like the show version of her could be
00:43:03
different and that storyline could be different.
00:43:08
But also, yeah, William does not.
00:43:15
He does not have the best track record when it comes to choosing
00:43:19
women. No.
00:43:21
So I don't know. I don't, I don't know how I feel
00:43:27
about this. I'm going to wait and see.
00:43:31
I'm going to, I'm going to keep my, I'm going to keep an open
00:43:34
mind. I wish y'all who were listening.
00:43:39
I wish y'all could see Michelle's face.
00:43:41
Michelle got her mouth scrunched.
00:43:42
Like I'm. Trying not to.
00:43:45
I just I, I don't we're towards the end.
00:43:48
I yeah, Hanukkah. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm getting upset.
00:43:55
Why? Because I feel like this season
00:43:59
is feeling like we bout to have. We don't have another season.
00:44:01
We're not. No, you know what?
00:44:04
I I disagree. I feel like they're they're
00:44:09
again, they're putting the pieces in place for what will
00:44:13
probably happen all in the last five episodes because I feel
00:44:17
like. The last five episodes will
00:44:20
probably be like non-stop bam, bam, bam, bam, right?
00:44:23
And that's what I'm saying. I don't want that to happen.
00:44:25
I don't rush because like now we're at a slower pace and I'm
00:44:30
like, OK, now I need you to pick it up because I need you to give
00:44:32
me as much as you can because this is it.
00:44:35
Well, we're about to go into some more, so we don't want it
00:44:38
to pick up too much. And I need to because we've been
00:44:41
through wars. So y'all can do that.
00:44:43
That's like, that's like the Browns to me.
00:44:46
I was fine with Brown, but I can't take the war.
00:44:51
The war. I'd be like, OK, shoot, shoot,
00:44:53
let's move on. Yeah, yeah, I understand.
00:44:58
So, I mean, we got the war, we got militia.
00:45:00
I, I need, come on now. I need to get, that's all I, I
00:45:04
need to get to the end. Are they dying each other's
00:45:06
arms? Like the notebook?
00:45:09
We're going to talk about him being that ghost out there in
00:45:12
the streets where we going to end up living and what they're
00:45:20
going to do. What is Jamie going to see of
00:45:21
the future with the kids? I need, come on.
00:45:25
Look, look, I need, I need to. And then we got in going on the
00:45:30
cross country trip. Can he come back?
00:45:34
Because then that takes months. Yeah.
00:45:37
Is this the last we going to see you now?
00:45:39
Hopefully not. That's all.
00:45:45
That's all my heart is saying. That's all.
00:45:47
That was my vent, which is a good vent because that means I
00:45:50
really love the show, but I just want more.
00:45:52
And I need y'all to pick it up because I'm feeling like you got
00:45:55
to tell me I'm getting another season next year.
00:45:57
I'm not. Yeah, I don't.
00:46:00
Want new people? Yeah, and it's a little, it's a
00:46:04
little too late. Well, I won't say it's a little
00:46:07
too late because obviously you have to bring in the people
00:46:10
that's going to factor into the battle.
00:46:17
But this whole thing with the with the, the upcoming war, I
00:46:26
don't know how I feel about it because I kind of sort of feel
00:46:28
like Claire does. Because Jamie is trying to do
00:46:32
everything he needs to do to make sure that he's prepared.
00:46:35
And Claire is like, we don't even know if Frank was telling
00:46:38
the truth. And I get it.
00:46:40
I understand that she makes some valid points, especially with
00:46:44
the last couple of episodes where she's talking about, you
00:46:47
know, how all of this just kind of sprang up.
00:46:50
And Frank could have been doing this out of spite because yes,
00:46:53
he he absolutely could have. But wouldn't you rather be safe
00:47:00
than to not prepare at all? And something happens.
00:47:04
I mean, obviously the the atmosphere around the Ridge has
00:47:10
changed. You know, Jamie went to go kind
00:47:14
of ascertain what is tenants are are are doing by collecting the
00:47:18
rents. And he was like, yeah, most of
00:47:20
the people here are loyalist now.
00:47:22
You know, that would have never happened if Jamie had been there
00:47:25
on the Ridge, but he wasn't on the Ridge, you know.
00:47:31
So now you have Fraser's Ridge full of loyalists and even the
00:47:36
people who are loyal to him, he said that most of them are, you
00:47:43
know, skittish about taking up arms against a loyalist militia
00:47:48
because they'll be outnumbered. It's not looking too good for
00:47:53
Jamie right now. Like he doesn't have the, he
00:47:58
doesn't have the presence that he had before he left the Ridge.
00:48:03
You know, I think also he's older.
00:48:07
He's kind of mellowed out a little bit.
00:48:10
Like we know that he can still be fierce, but the people on the
00:48:14
Ridge have not seen that side of him.
00:48:16
And most of the people who are on the Ridge now don't know that
00:48:19
that side of him you know very few if any might even know who
00:48:25
Red Jamie is or know about him like his R smear men of course
00:48:29
will know. Some of the people who probably
00:48:32
fought way back when and are there wouldn't know.
00:48:37
But not too many people are going to know Red Jamie.
00:48:39
I said this in the last episode. I'm a need Red Jamie to make an
00:48:44
appearance because at this point your tennis are being
00:48:48
disrespectful as hell and I need you to put them in their place.
00:48:54
And if you got to be a little red Jamie to to accomplish that,
00:48:58
then you just might have to do that because other than that,
00:49:02
it's about to get really ugly. And the fact that Cunningham,
00:49:06
when he came to collect his mom, the fact that he was looking at
00:49:12
Claire, he was like, this is a mighty big house for you to be
00:49:15
all by yourself, I said. I.
00:49:18
Was like, this is not what you want.
00:49:22
You don't want that because you're looking at Claire like,
00:49:26
oh, you're you're a lady and you don't know Claire will fuck you.
00:49:30
Up yeah, I wasn't I didn't care for that and it's.
00:49:38
Like with each episode, he becomes more and more like his,
00:49:45
his personality is changing very quickly.
00:49:47
He's escalating, you know. And again, I know that there are
00:49:52
small time jumps in between these episodes, but yeah, it's
00:49:57
he's, he's starting to feel himself.
00:50:02
He's starting to feel a little too overconfident being on
00:50:04
Jamie's land. And I have a problem with that.
00:50:07
Not and not just him. It was the the other dude from
00:50:11
what, last episode, 2 episodes ago?
00:50:13
Armstrong, I think his name was. He's a little too bold too.
00:50:18
Yeah, these people bringing guns right up under your nose and you
00:50:21
2, you 2. So but.
00:50:23
He yeah, 'cause he, you know, and he hadn't been there for.
00:50:26
They don't know him really. But I again, I get all that, but
00:50:32
he better be a part of what's we gonna see in the future 'cause
00:50:35
if not, the answer has been cut on the cutting floor.
00:50:38
I need it like next episode or episode after that.
00:50:42
I haven't watched today's episode yet, but I yeah, next
00:50:47
two episodes, especially considering that today's episode
00:50:50
we. Are at the halfway, that's what.
00:50:53
And again, that's what I'm talking about.
00:50:55
I know. And what?
00:50:57
What? Well, I can sum up, right.
00:51:02
We need some stuff, too. Yeah.
00:51:04
So I need some. I need us to move.
00:51:05
I need some stuff to happen. Yeah, but I need Red Jamie to
00:51:09
make an appearance. I need Ian to hurry up and
00:51:12
figure out what the fuck is going on with his folks so he
00:51:15
can come back. I need Rodger to come back from
00:51:19
Savannah. Not even just Rodger.
00:51:21
Bree. Because Bree is a beast herself.
00:51:24
You know, she's a good sniper, good gun woman.
00:51:27
I need all of them to come back because right now Jamie is there
00:51:31
really by himself. I mean, he has Buck with him now
00:51:34
and I'm sure Buck is going to go 10 that toes down for him.
00:51:38
But that's only one man. We haven't even really seen all
00:51:44
the arts, mere men that are left.
00:51:46
So we don't know who's there. We don't know how many people
00:51:48
Jamie have to stand behind him. But it's getting a little
00:51:54
dangerous on the Ridge. I'm a little worried because
00:52:00
what if Frank was telling the truth?
00:52:04
And I don't want to think that. But again, we're almost halfway
00:52:08
into the season. This is going to be it.
00:52:13
The only thing that makes me think that Jamie is not going to
00:52:17
die is I saw, I read a clip from an interview a couple of weeks
00:52:24
ago. I think somebody was talking to
00:52:27
Meryl Davis asking about whether or not a movie would be in the
00:52:34
future, like after Diana Wright heard her final book.
00:52:37
Like, instead of bringing back the show for another season,
00:52:41
like maybe you could do a movie to wrap up the entire storyline.
00:52:44
She was like, yeah, that could be something we considered.
00:52:47
You know, we would never say no. It just depends on whether
00:52:49
everybody would want to come back for that.
00:52:51
So I'm like, OK, if you're saying that, that gives me at
00:52:54
least a small amount of hope that Jamie survives this.
00:52:58
So you're not going to get your notebook ending, which, you
00:53:01
know, but but I, I don't mind happily ever after.
00:53:09
Let live living in the sunset there.
00:53:12
With and when I said the notebook that is happy ever
00:53:16
after because that's when they 80.
00:53:20
We, we. We.
00:53:21
Fast forward to the future and they old and Gray, and they die
00:53:24
in that house. I think they can be standing on
00:53:27
the Ridge the last thing they time before looking out over the
00:53:30
beautiful land at peace and that and they 90 and they.
00:53:35
Make Love and they fall asleep, but down each other's on.
00:53:38
That's where that's that's the magic.
00:53:40
That's the sauce right there. That is it.
00:53:43
No, I don't want. Them I know you together because
00:53:47
if they still alive to be quite honest.
00:53:50
We don't know. Immortal, as far as I'm
00:53:52
concerned. Well, we know that's not going
00:53:54
to happen, so I need to know how they leave each other and I
00:53:59
rather them leave each other together.
00:54:01
I don't want it to be a ending where they standing looking over
00:54:05
the Ridge. We had endings where they
00:54:07
standing looking over the Ridge. I need their real.
00:54:10
No, no, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.
00:54:14
I don't want to see. I want their funeral.
00:54:16
No, but I want to know that they outlived every news article and
00:54:20
book ever written. They watching their grandkids,
00:54:24
They holding hands in the rocking chair.
00:54:25
OK, maybe not make they can love these, but they hold their hands
00:54:28
in the rocking chair come. On it's Jamie and Clay, you know
00:54:31
they if they go, it's going to. Be family.
00:54:33
Well, I'm trying to see. They love family too.
00:54:35
So the other part would be they sit in that rocking chair, hold
00:54:39
their hands, looking at their children, their grandchildren,
00:54:43
William and his other wife. Not, not this girl and her kids.
00:54:50
Everyone is just having a good time.
00:54:52
And they said love. I think this is it.
00:54:54
I think this is it. I'm ready.
00:54:58
I'm ready to. And And then we eat in peace.
00:55:01
We got all they put together. They can't live without each
00:55:05
other. You see what Claire did?
00:55:11
No. Jamie ain't gonna be much
00:55:13
better. No.
00:55:15
No. And we can't take him through
00:55:17
the stones. They can't go back and reverse.
00:55:21
No. And they're not immortal.
00:55:23
They're nothing to run into some vampires.
00:55:27
Well, look, Claire, look like she coming into her magic.
00:55:30
We don't know what that magic entails.
00:55:33
I. Can't I?
00:55:34
I will I just I will not be able to but I'm like but I am
00:55:38
wondering what will her magic entail?
00:55:40
I don't know like. But I mean, just, I feel like
00:55:47
her magic will have to do it has to do with healing because
00:55:51
that's, that's been her whole thing, like literally since the
00:55:55
first episode. Being a nurse, healing people,
00:55:59
being an excellent surgeon, being able to to do and see
00:56:03
things that nobody else can do. I have a feeling that's what's
00:56:07
going to what it's going to be. And it could be that even though
00:56:10
Frank wrote about Jamie Fraser dying on the Ridge, Claire, it
00:56:18
it may be because of Claire that he doesn't, you know what I'm
00:56:21
saying? Yeah.
00:56:22
And they run away. I don't know, again, together.
00:56:28
I mean, they just got to it's, it's got to end with them
00:56:30
together regardless. Yeah.
00:56:33
So, but I just, I would prefer them not to be dead at the end
00:56:36
of this. I would prefer them to to for us
00:56:40
to leave. Them OK, how about this we don't
00:56:43
see them with their. Children and their grandchildren
00:56:47
and. So we don't see them die, but
00:56:50
then one of the grandkids is reading something about their
00:56:54
death. You gonna go for that?
00:56:58
I'd rather see them loving on each other and pass away than
00:57:01
just have them read it in the article.
00:57:04
They finally they finally succumb to a minor cold.
00:57:09
No, I don't want to see that or read that.
00:57:12
I just. I I can just end with seeing
00:57:15
them together and that can be it.
00:57:16
I don't have, I'm good. So we'll just have to wait and
00:57:22
see how it's going to end. But let's see, is there anything
00:57:32
else I want to talk about? Poor Fanny.
00:57:34
I think at some point clear clearing them, they're going to
00:57:37
have to tell Fanny that they might be related because that
00:57:41
poor baby, she is missing her sister so much.
00:57:44
Yeah, and she needs a back story.
00:57:48
Yeah, like a back story to tell the neighbors well.
00:57:54
I mean, she already then gave Elsbeth a little bit of her back
00:57:58
even she was like the Elsa haven't heard, haven't heard
00:58:01
language like that in a long time.
00:58:03
Yeah, but even she was like, she know not to say this out loud,
00:58:07
right? Did you teach her?
00:58:09
But I'm cool with it. But did you tell her that she
00:58:13
can't? Yeah, we talked to her like I
00:58:15
need you to get yourself give her a back story.
00:58:19
Yeah, yeah. But OK, let's see.
00:58:24
So we talked about Rodger and Brianna and William and Fergus.
00:58:30
We talked about the Ridge, Buck. Yay, Buck is back.
00:58:38
That really, that really was like the highlight of the
00:58:40
episode. Yeah, because I wasn't
00:58:42
expecting, I just thought I guess from having you kind of
00:58:45
tell me some information, I just kind of assumed that he would
00:58:49
just be staying in one time. And especially when he wasn't
00:58:52
sure about like how he was feeling his heart.
00:58:54
So it was like a a a really surprise.
00:58:58
Oh my gosh. So we really don't know the
00:59:00
surprise when she was like, do we?
00:59:06
Oh yeah, we do. It was.
00:59:07
Yeah, that was when Brianna. I missed that.
00:59:09
I was like, dude, it's another person coming.
00:59:11
I was not, no. But I will say this, I'm glad
00:59:14
they brought him back in the show because the way they the,
00:59:17
the way that we left his character in the books was very
00:59:26
how to describe it? It was very, I don't know, kind
00:59:36
of BC Andrews ish way. Well, I was in the attic type it
00:59:43
it. It was weird.
00:59:44
It was very weird. And then, like I said, there
00:59:46
were other characters kind of mixed into that storyline and
00:59:51
the whole thing was just really weird.
00:59:54
So I'm kind of glad the way that they brought him back in this,
00:59:58
because I think a lot of us would have been really
01:00:02
uncomfortable. Just even seeing what they were
01:00:06
suggesting in the books. So, yeah, Yeah.
01:00:10
But that's fine. I have my book back.
01:00:12
I'm glad. Now I just need everybody else
01:00:14
to come back to the Ridge and rally around Jamie and get these
01:00:19
traitors. Well, they're not the traitors
01:00:22
technically, but I need them to kick all these loyalists off the
01:00:26
Ridge so our folks can be there and live happily ever after and
01:00:31
not worry about who's about to try to kill them, betray them,
01:00:35
do all this. And no, we, we don't need none
01:00:38
of that. I'm done.
01:00:41
Everybody needs to come back, regroup and whoops, mass.
01:00:48
That way when when Jamie really does die and he sees Frank in
01:00:52
the afterline, he can be like, you were wrong.
01:00:58
Like I want to know what that confrontation is going to be
01:01:02
like when they see each other in the afterlife.
01:01:04
That's going to be that's going to be a whole different thing.
01:01:12
Because it because if it happens the way you want it to happen
01:01:15
and Claire is there, she's going to be stuck between Jamie and
01:01:18
Frank for the rest of her eternity.
01:01:20
And I don't want that for her. I don't want that for her.
01:01:25
Yeah. But I think that's it for this
01:01:29
episode that I really like need to talk about.
01:01:34
I think we covered everything. Is there anything else you want
01:01:37
to talk about? We covered everything I.
01:01:41
Think we got everything so the next episode is episode 5.
01:01:45
We will be halfway through the season and that much closer to
01:01:53
the end of the series. And as much as I want this the
01:01:57
the storyline to pick up and see where they're going, I'm really
01:02:01
not ready for this show to end. And I feel like it's coming.
01:02:06
It's coming up so quickly. Like, didn't the season just
01:02:10
start? Yeah, I did.
01:02:12
That's what I'm saying. And then I feel like I don't
01:02:14
have AI, didn't get enough. I'm not full, however, I don't
01:02:19
want to see it in, but I'm very like hopeful for its future
01:02:24
because there's so many stories you could tell.
01:02:28
And hopefully, like we can tell it through story of dealing with
01:02:33
Mandy later, like she's older and and stuff that she goes
01:02:36
through or, you know, her meeting someone or her going
01:02:40
back at a different time, like when she gets older.
01:02:44
Like that's another story that would be quite interesting.
01:02:47
And we already have their parents.
01:02:49
It's interesting. And I think we can do some other
01:02:54
stuff. Yeah.
01:02:57
So like a small like event about what Frank knew.
01:03:03
So we have, I'm not going to leave Frank alone.
01:03:07
Like you can give him a little side one too.
01:03:10
So there, there. You know what I'm saying?
01:03:13
There are there are some other stories or just stories about
01:03:16
travellers in general. Yeah, yeah.
01:03:20
I would I would like to see some other things happen because I
01:03:22
mean, we have a whole set of Lord John stories that could be
01:03:27
told. And David Berry has said plenty
01:03:30
of times that he would love to do a Lord John series.
01:03:34
But there is there was one other thing that I thought was that
01:03:39
that I enjoyed that was funny. The conversation when Lord John
01:03:42
and Brianna were talking and he was telling her the real reason
01:03:45
why he had her come down there. The other thing, he was like, So
01:03:49
what was the error in your husband had to do in the city?
01:03:53
And she's sitting and like, yeah, he had to go meet with a
01:03:56
continental captain. The fact that Lord John no
01:03:59
longer has a, a full connection when he finds out that the
01:04:02
people that are around him are rebels, that's gross.
01:04:06
I like it because he's still like fucking rebels.
01:04:10
But he doesn't say anything. He doesn't try to.
01:04:13
He's just kind of accepted it now.
01:04:15
Like, OK, these are Jamie's people.
01:04:16
They all rebels. I'm just going to have to get
01:04:18
used to it. These these are my people, too,
01:04:20
you know, technically they are. So Yeah.
01:04:25
OK, well, all right. Almost halfway through the
01:04:32
season. Yeah, I guess.
01:04:36
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