#outlander William “Buck” MacKenzie tells Roger and Brianna how he came to be in 1980. Buck makes an interesting observation about Rob Cameron. Jamie and William – on opposing sides – prepare for the Battle of Saratoga. Roger and Bree pay a heavy price for trusting the wrong person.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and we are discussing Outlander season 7
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episode 7. And before we get started on
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this, today is September 29th and yesterday the cast wrapped
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filming on the 8th and final season of Outlander.
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They are ending the show with 101 episodes, which is great
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because a lot of shows don't get to 100 episodes.
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True. But I'm feeling so bummed.
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I am too, especially when the books are not even done yet.
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Could they just add one more? Just one more season?
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Or a movie. Or a limited series.
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And you know what, they can come, if they can come back and
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do a movie after Book 10 is released, that would be great.
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But I'm I'm going to be honest, I really think that part of the
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reason they're ending the show is because the stars can't they
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can't just keep themselves tied to this one show and and miss
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other opportunities. I mean, that's one of the
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reasons why we're not getting our Jenny back.
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You know, Laura Donnelly was doing off doing other things.
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And it was just, I think with the way they kind of move things
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around as far as what happens in what season as opposed to the
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the corresponding book, it it probably just didn't make sense
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for her to say, OK, you know what?
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I'm on retainer. I can't do anything else.
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Like that's not that's not fair to the actors.
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And even with Sam and Katrina, like Katrina's out promoting a
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movie right now. Sam has TV movie coming out on
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stars in December. He's filming other things, she's
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filming other things. So I just think, you know, this
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has been 10 years for them, even though it's only 7-8 seasons,
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it's been 10, I think 11 years for them as far as from casting
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to, you know, pre production and all this other stuff.
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So maybe they were just like, we're done, you know?
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Yeah, I'm so sad because there's so much story to tell.
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And I can say that because, again, I have finally finished
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reading all the books. I'm caught up and I'm just like,
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there's so much I feel like that they're going to have to leave
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off. But I mean, 101 episodes, that
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is a, that is an astounding feat for TV.
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They should be very proud of themselves.
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They've delivered a quality show, you know?
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Yeah, we have. A little every season.
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Here and there about certain things, but overall quality
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solid, the casting solid. They just like, I think
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Outlander is one of those shows where if you're going to make
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ATV show an adaptation, whatever.
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This is one of those shows that I would say pay attention to
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what they do because even though they have had to make some
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changes from page to screen, it doesn't take away from the
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story. No, not at all.
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And. You can't really say that a lot
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with some adaptations because you looking like oh y'all just
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screw the whole thing up just by doing this or doing that so.
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And even going through COVID, because we have seen a lot of
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shows kind of just take a hit a little bit because of COVID and
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also the writers strike and everything which was warranted,
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but it's still like just took a little off some shows.
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But you I haven't seen it in this show, to be honest with
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you. I don't feel like anything was
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rushed. I don't particularly know
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because I haven't read the books, but the the storylines
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are delivering for me. I'm just, I'm just going to have
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a issue with the closure because however they close, many of us,
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that's what we have as our closure, especially if we don't
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read the books. Yeah, but you're going to change
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that. Because we just, yeah, I'm going
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to, I'm going to start this week.
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I keep saying I am, but I'm actually going to start this
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week actually listening to the audio book.
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But then when the last book comes out, I'm going to want
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them to do something because I want to see that closure.
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Yeah. Yeah, which we already know how
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it's going to end. You know, we're not about to
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have this notebook discussion again, Michelle.
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Well, you know, we'll talk about that later.
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Yeah. Oh, I got a better part.
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Not just in each other's arms, but like after they have made
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love, then they pass away. That's beautiful.
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That's beautiful. I mean if you have to pick a
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moment to go. That's the moment.
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It's not at all. It's not at all.
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Just don't let their children come in and see them.
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But that's, you know, don't. Want them to die?
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Because. I just really want like, you
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know how we've seen some of those, those scenes where
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they're standing on top of the mountains and, and they're just
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overlooking the Ridge, like let's have one of those scenes
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and they're just living happily ever after.
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Whatever. They don't have to die for me.
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And the thing about it is, to be honest, if I was the show
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writers, I'm just making a prediction, literally.
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That's probably without how I would end it.
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Because then you could you can come back and do a movie.
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Right. You could you see what I'm
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saying? And at that point they still
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have more stories to go, which you would get in the books.
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You see what I'm saying? So like, even though the show
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has ended, like we really don't give an end for them.
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It's just that they have, you know, a positive spin up about
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their future and then that's it. And they have committed to being
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together forever, you know, and then that's how it ends.
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That works, right? That works.
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That honestly works for the books 'cause if they die then
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we'll be like whatever I'm. Not going to think about Jamie
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and Claire dying. We're not going to have that
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conversation, OK? No be.
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Sweet or they both have heart attacks after.
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You know what, let's get into this episode because I can't
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with you. I cannot with you.
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So let's get into this episode. First of all, for anyone who's
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listening to our episodes, I do want to apologize about the last
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episode because I think we accidentally spoiled who the
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Visitor was at the end. Sorry.
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So we're sorry, but. Yeah.
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Sorry, beginning of this episode does confirm that the, the the
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lurker outside of Lallybrock AKA the Knucklevey is in fact
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William Buckley McKenzie, who is Rodgers 6 times grandfather,
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great grandfather and also the person who had him hung or
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rather who you know turned him in and Rodger ended up being
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hung as a result of being a traitor.
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So this part of the story is interesting and I'm just going
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to, I'm, I'm going to start this episode off by saying have a lot
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of issues with Rodger and especially Brianna in this
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entire episode. Like she got on my nerves so
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much, you know what I'm saying? Yes.
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I understand being weary of Buck when he comes in because of
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course Rodger and Brianna know the relationship he is to Rodger
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and that's what makes them so pissed off about the whole
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hanging thing. But Buck has no clue.
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None until this episode. And it's like when he comes in,
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he's very respectful to Bri and you know, when they're trying to
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get the story for him about how he appeared here, she's like,
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well, why would you scare our children?
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And block? He was like, know who I was
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dealing with. So how did What was I supposed
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to do? You know, he was just trying to
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survive in a place that you know nothing about.
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Nothing. So this.
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Is the interesting thing. When he was telling the story,
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he was talking about what happened after Arboros.
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So of course, you know, things went bad there.
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And so he and Morag, his wife, their son Jeremiah, we're
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heading back to Inverness so that he could go and work for
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his brother-in-law. He says that they were walking
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past Craig in the dune, but he says we heard a noise and he was
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talking about the buzzing sound and he went to go check it out,
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see what it was. Because he was telling them when
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he was describing it, he was talking about how he could feel
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it in his bones. And it was, it was just a a very
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weird, strange feeling and it scared him.
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But he needed to know what it was.
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So of course he goes through the stones and ends up where Rodger
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and Brianna are. And I'm guessing nothing
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happened to him because he keeps fiddling with a ring he has on
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his finger and the gemstone is missing.
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So he had a gemstone. I can't, I can't even imagine
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what would have happened if he didn't have it, but OK.
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But Bree asked him a question later on, and she was like,
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well, why didn't you try to go back?
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I'm like dummy you not. He doesn't know the rules.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Like he, he doesn't even know
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where he is, how he got there. Right?
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Ma'am, you are writing a book about traveling.
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This is his first travel. You got to give him.
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Some leeway you should actually be his mentor.
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And you and you had like you had your mother to tell you about
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all this stuff and everything. When your Mama first told you
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about this stuff, you didn't believe her.
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You thought she was crazy. You thought she was lying, you
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thought she was delusional. So Can you imagine what it's
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like for it's, it's bad enough if you're coming from the
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future, going to the past, because at least you have
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history to learn from. You can, you can go do your
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research and say, oh, in the seventh late 1700s, this is what
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was going on in the time period. This is what the fashion look
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like. This is what the people's
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attitudes were towards politics, religion, that sort of thing.
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When you're doing it the reverse coming from the past 200 years
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into the future, right? I can't even imagine what the
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hell was going on in this man's head.
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Yeah, imagine seeing your first car, right.
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Those big giant buggies. I think that's what he called
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them, carriages. He was like those big things.
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And Roger was like, well, how did you come to be at Lolly
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Brock? Lolly Brock?
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He said, I saw you walk into a shop in Inverness.
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And Brianna was like, well, why didn't you say something?
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I don't know what's happening to me.
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I have no idea what is happening.
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Not only that, here is the person walking around that you
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know for a fact was hung at Alaman.
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Right. Thank you.
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That part. In this new time or this new
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area or whatever, 'cause I don't even think.
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At that point, Buck realized he had travelled to another time.
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I maybe, you know, common sense told him because of the cars and
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everything and how everyone was dressed and everything.
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He was like, OK, something strange about this.
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But you don't really sit there and think, oh, I've travelled
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into the future, why would you? Especially coming from the type
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of background he came from, you know, So he said I didn't know
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what who or what I was dealing with.
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And then he was like to come knock on your door.
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No, I was the reason he got hung.
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I'm supposed to. I was just sitting there and the
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way she was looking at him, like she was so mad.
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And I understand she's mad because he was the reason Roger
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got hung. And everything that happened
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after that, I understand, I understand.
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But again, this man had no clue that Roger was family.
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All he saw was a nice, good looking man talking to his wife.
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And we know this 1700s, late 1700s, you know what the
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attitudes were back then. They're very possessive of their
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women. You know it.
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I was just like, give some, give him a little grace.
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This man is already confused, y'all.
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It's talking to him and telling him questions like, why didn't
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you do this? Why didn't you do that?
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I was just like. Yeah, just just to we already
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saw how I was for Claire. Like that was disorienting.
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Everything that happened to her. Rihanna you have and Rodger, you
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knew what you were walking into, right?
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It still will feel a little strange because you're like, I
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know I'm doing this and my brain is trying to make the
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connection. But for Buck, same thing as
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Claire, no idea. None, none.
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This is hard way to go investigate, right?
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Claire saw you know Randall like hey wait that's kind of strange
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he's not acting the same so that's the same way what how
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butt will feel but y'all treated him so I felt they just treated
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him bad for someone who doesn't know what is happening.
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I think Roger was a little more. Responding he was.
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But overall they should have just been a little bit more.
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I don't know. Right and then you stick and
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then you stick him in the closet for hours because Rob fucking
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camera shows up unannounced. First of all, you see my screen
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name, my screen name for those of you who are listening and not
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looking at us. It says did they leave their
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instincts in the 18th century? Because or I, I should even just
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say Brianna for the most part, Roger a little bit.
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But even Roger was like, yeah, they're telling he could come by
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for dinner, but who just shows up?
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Like you didn't call? No, but we talked about this
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during that time. People just showed up, you know
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what I'm saying? And they did.
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They showed up for like, hey, I was in the neighborhood, right?
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Or I thought about you and it was OK, right?
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Nowadays. Nowadays you just can't do that.
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No, 'cause if you show up at my door and I don't know you're
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coming, I'm not answering the door.
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I'm not either. And but that is just overtime,
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'cause even think about when we grew up, like people would like
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stop by. Yeah, you know, 'cause it wasn't
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picking up the phone. I mean, no one picks up the
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phone and call at that time. No one really called.
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They just come by. But now.
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But now if you didn't get a plan scheduled meeting that you
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coming, you had to call, you had to text right on this couple of
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days in advance, right? And no, even if it's a car, if a
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even if there is a driveway full of cars, everyone is going to
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lay down and pretend like they're not in the house 'cause
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we didn't know you were coming. Be like you didn't, you weren't
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on the invite. No.
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Why are you at my house? We're all in bed, so sorry.
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Like I can probably count on three fingers the the the people
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who can actually just come to my house without having to check
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and see if it's OK. Yeah.
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And even they are going to be like, hey, you at home?
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You busy? Are you right?
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Well, what you? What you doing right, Right.
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But I think the thing that really was kind of like with
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this, so I understand you're panicking because you have this
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this distant relative from the past who is now in the future,
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he's confused, whatever. So you could have gone to the
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door and said when he said, did I come at a bad time?
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Yes, actually you did, because we have a relative who, you
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know, just stopped by and we're entertaining him.
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Maybe let's reschedule this for next week, that sort of thing.
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You could have easily done that. Right.
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Or you could make it really awkward and say, yeah, we're in
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the middle of a huge argument and we need time.
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I mean, even even Rodger's explanation, he was like, Oh no,
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we we decide we were just taking advantage of the kids not being
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home to tidy up. I would have been like, yeah,
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we're taking advantage of the kids not being home.
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Let's reschedule this for another time.
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The kids not being home. That should have been.
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The right, right, right. Oh, you OK?
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OK, OK. I'll leave you guys alone
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because I'm so sorry. Yeah.
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You know, I was married before. I have three children.
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My, my kids are two years apart from the 1st 2:00 and then four
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years between the 2nd and the 3rd.
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So kids are always there Whenever you got a break, you
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have a break, you have a break. I'm not sitting here cleaning up
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the house like. No, like what?
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We're not doing that. We're young couple.
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Come on, friend, I need you to take the hint.
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Right? However, he keeps imposing
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himself. That's what problem I have.
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It's OK to stop by. But then you realize, OK, they
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could be really busy not having kids around.
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You impose. You keep imposing, imposing,
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imposing. Y'all started drinking with
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that, OK, even with that, y'all started drinking without me.
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Yes, because the kids are not here.
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Take the hint. Read the Room.
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However, he did read the room. He did take the hint, but that's
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not a part of his plan. So he's like, F them, I have a
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plan in place and I'm going to do my plan.
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OK, so about that, the whole thing.
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Oh, I would like to see the reference hymnals.
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Rodger, bring the hymnals out to the kitchen.
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Why are you letting this man in your office?
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You've all you already know. He has read your journal by
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accident. Why the fuck in your office?
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And then not only that, you leave him in the office so you
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could go do something, and you leave him with the box of
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letters with Jimmy's name on it sitting on top of the desk
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unlocked. I don't understand.
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Like for two people who have been so conditioned, I would
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say. To watch what they say and watch
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what they do because they were living in a time that was not
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their own. For them to come back to the
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present and just be so careless. I really have a problem with
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that. Like, the first time you messed
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up with him finding the book, that should have been your first
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clue. Like, OK, we need to be a little
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more mindful of what we're doing with these letters, with this
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information and just, you know, having it around.
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Then the person who read the book is now in your house
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uninvited, and you've left him in the office.
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Then you have dinner with him and with the kids and when y'all
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are making like very kind of subtle, not, you know, a little
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too subtle in my opinion, when y'all are making subtle hints
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about, oh, you know, hey kids, it's time for bed.
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Sure, Q to go. It is, but not if you have a
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plan. So I I see what the problem is.
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OK. They are so used to explicit
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direct danger, like straightforward, like it's a
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battle, someone wants to kill them.
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You, you can't be seen, you can't make matches because it's
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going to burn down your mom's home later.
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Like they are used to that, that just, you know, simple danger.
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They aware of that type of danger, but they're not aware of
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people that are calculated, not those two, not really.
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So they are naive in that sort of sense like they have, I
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always want to say they have St. smarts, but they have traveling
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smarts, but not just regular. They don't have common.
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Everyday people smarts. They don't have common sense.
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I'm trying to help them out a little bit but but seriously
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though. But seriously, they don't have
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that normal common sense of like we are in a different time and
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people are calculated in manipulative and you're being
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manipulative. You know what I'm saying?
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But you don't get that because you're so used to.
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There's a side here, then there's a side here, dangerous
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right here. If we do this, if we travel, you
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know, N 20 miles, we're on someone else's territory.
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We have the, you know, British soldiers, American soldiers,
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like they get that. They understand that, but they
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don't get just coming home and how someone could this could be
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a guy. Let's just say this guy doesn't
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care about the traveling. He may just want to like kidnap
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your kidnap your kid. You understand I'm saying right?
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OK, or sell your or kidnap your wife and sell her to the high.
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Like you're not just because something doesn't seem dangerous
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can be dangerous, but you're not perceiving that.
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You're thinking everything is light and fluffy and it's not.
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And I think that's where. They're having issues, like
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they're comfortable, they're so comfortable, but Cameron didn't
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come to them If he came aggressive and I'm the bad guy
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written above me, villain. But I mean, think about his
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first, his first interaction with Brianna.
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That's, but that's the. Time see and they're like, oh.
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That's the time. But still in danger.
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It's strange. Weird to me because $1.00 is not
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even from your time. And he can tell Rob.
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Something ain't right about Rob Cameron.
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OK, not only that, you have issues with Buck being in the
00:24:00
house or being around the kids. OK, yeah, he can stay in the
00:24:03
house, but I don't want him anywhere near the house when
00:24:06
we're not there. But you don't let your son go
00:24:11
and stay with this this man that you know.
00:24:13
Yeah, you y'all have had dinner and, you know, you work with
00:24:18
him, but what do you really know about him?
00:24:20
Like you don't up until this particular dinner, you didn't
00:24:24
even know this man was had been married and had a kid because he
00:24:27
doesn't have the I know because he doesn't have the danger sign.
00:24:30
But that's the that was the And I guess that's the thing that
00:24:33
bothers me because even though he doesn't have the danger sign,
00:24:38
everything about his behavior from the way that he talks and
00:24:42
the way that he kind of it like, and this was even before I read
00:24:47
the book, like from the moment he appeared on the screen, I had
00:24:50
been with Icky. Yeah, yeah.
00:24:52
And I totally get that. I get the ick, but gets the ick.
00:24:57
I bet you Claire, Jamie will feel the ick too.
00:25:00
They, but they've been around and paying attention.
00:25:03
Where, where was Rodger raised? You see what I'm saying?
00:25:06
Like you had to think about that.
00:25:07
And then we threw them into time travel again.
00:25:10
We threw them into dangers. We told them it was dangerous
00:25:13
and whatnot. They still naive sometimes.
00:25:15
They naive when things happen in the past.
00:25:20
But this is A to be honest with you.
00:25:22
But here you got these are two people who both had experiences
00:25:27
with Stephen Bonnett and knew from jump that this man was not
00:25:31
any good. Knew from jump.
00:25:34
And and from jump, knew from jump.
00:25:37
And Stephen Bonnett was just as charming, was just as
00:25:42
mannerable. And see what happened.
00:25:46
And, and and that's that's what I don't understand, like why,
00:25:50
why can you guys not see it in Rob Cameron?
00:25:53
And then they think. They think because where they
00:25:55
are, you understand what I'm saying.
00:25:57
And then they think where they are, which they can't.
00:26:00
They shouldn't be that way because even at that time they
00:26:03
were serial killers. Like he could have been a serial
00:26:05
killer. I mean, we really don't know yet
00:26:07
either. What do?
00:26:08
You well, this is. True.
00:26:09
Be honest with you. I'm saying he could be a.
00:26:12
He could actually be a serial killer.
00:26:14
Yeah. Because they're not paying a
00:26:16
they don't pay attention to that.
00:26:17
They're literally just getting comfortable where they are
00:26:22
thinking it's just a safe area. Oh, I work with this guy.
00:26:28
His kids are in school with my kids.
00:26:30
You see where I'm going with this.
00:26:31
And then we turn around and it's a Lifetime movie about it.
00:26:35
Right. And and and your child has been
00:26:37
kidnapped. And are you on Dateline?
00:26:40
Like, I thought he was a nice guy, OK?
00:26:43
And everybody else was like, we never fool with him.
00:26:48
That nice guy just took your son through through the stones,
00:26:51
according to what Mandy feels. And also the fact that they
00:26:56
found Jim's scarf. And I was just like.
00:27:01
And like no red, like they can get no red flags.
00:27:03
We got the red flags but got the red flags, but they didn't get
00:27:08
the red flags. Again, what time period we're
00:27:12
in? He has to be OK.
00:27:16
It just it, it really bothers me because I feel like that is, I
00:27:25
don't know, maybe I'm being a little too harsh on them, but
00:27:29
no, you, you should be, you should.
00:27:31
Be you should be harsh on them because ultimately, to be
00:27:35
completely honest with you, they should.
00:27:37
I hate for them to live like this, but their guard should
00:27:41
always be up. Because you do not know about
00:27:44
other travelers. You do not know that the things
00:27:47
you've done to other people, they didn't leave notes for
00:27:52
future can. Yeah.
00:27:54
You don't. You really don't know.
00:27:56
Just like Jamie and Claire left those letters for them, right?
00:28:00
You could have somewhere and then someone taking out revenge.
00:28:04
You do honestly don't know because you live honestly.
00:28:06
You live in a different type of world than the rest of us.
00:28:09
So you should be always aware that one, you may run into
00:28:12
another traveler. One that traveler could be a
00:28:15
relative of yours or it could be an enemy of yours.
00:28:21
Yeah. I mean it could be your daughter
00:28:23
or it could be a your I was about to start cursing.
00:28:25
It could be your effing future kid like it could be Jimmy when
00:28:29
he 50 years old traveling back and like you just have no.
00:28:33
Yeah. Idea.
00:28:35
Yeah, but then the other. We have no no idea.
00:28:39
Yeah. But then the other thing that
00:28:41
bothered me as far as like their carelessness with stuff, like we
00:28:45
talked about Claire and and Brianna about the stuff that
00:28:49
they took back with them or like the stuff that Brianna was
00:28:54
making, like, you know, the little, the little wooden
00:28:56
airplane or whatever. So Buck is in there and he's
00:29:01
playing with one of Jimmy's plastic airplanes and he's
00:29:05
talking to Roger about he was like, of all the things that
00:29:08
I've seen, he was like, you know, have you actually been in
00:29:12
one of these? Oh my, Jeremiah would love
00:29:15
something like this. And Roger is like, well, that's
00:29:18
one of Jimmy's favorites, but maybe you can take it back for
00:29:22
your Jeremiah if Jim will part with why.
00:29:25
Why are you putting these ideas in this man head to take
00:29:29
something that obviously does not belong in the 1700s?
00:29:34
You're giving him the idea that he might be able to take this
00:29:37
back if he is able to go back to the stones and find his face.
00:29:41
What is wrong with y'all right? Right.
00:29:44
And luckily on here we do not talk about alternate timelines
00:29:48
because that will definitely create a alternate timeline
00:29:53
which would change things. But that's not what this story
00:29:56
is about, so. But, and, and this thing is,
00:29:59
yeah, because I think with Outlander and we don't, again,
00:30:04
we don't really talk about timelines or like multiverses or
00:30:08
whatever with, with this, because one thing that we have
00:30:11
seen is that it seems like this timeline, the the life that they
00:30:17
live is very fixed. It's like even though Claire and
00:30:21
Jamie tried to, they tried to stop the Battle of Culloden,
00:30:26
they tried to stop the Jacobite Rising, they did all of these
00:30:30
things. And even though it might have
00:30:32
stopped something, in one sense it always self corrected, you
00:30:38
know? So it's like those events.
00:30:41
The major points right and not I believe in Outlander.
00:30:45
Major points are fixed, but little things actually can be
00:30:51
change. Yeah, anything that's not going
00:30:53
to have a big, big thing, yeah, thing on the future, I'm sorry,
00:30:58
taking back a plastic. Airplane.
00:31:00
That that will change. No, that actually will change
00:31:04
things because that could change who created what and when.
00:31:08
Yeah. So I just, I just have an issue
00:31:16
with the lack of the lack of care that they take, like them
00:31:24
being, I'm gonna stop saying like so much one of these days.
00:31:28
But them being time travelers, that is such a secret that they
00:31:35
have tried very hard to protect. Because you see what happens
00:31:40
when people start knowing things.
00:31:42
It's different if it's family. Like I'm, I still don't
00:31:45
understand why Ferguson, Marsley don't know yet.
00:31:48
I don't. And that sort of thing.
00:31:50
They're really close family, so there's no reason.
00:31:54
But like Claire was, she was branded as a witch.
00:31:59
She was tried as a witch even though they didn't know.
00:32:02
She came from the future, but she was different enough with
00:32:06
the things that she knew, with the way she carried herself
00:32:09
with, with her attitudes towards, you know, how people
00:32:13
treat each other, how people treated her.
00:32:15
She was different enough for them to say, OK, something ain't
00:32:17
right about her. We're going to burn her at the
00:32:20
stage. But now you're encouraging other
00:32:23
people to be like, oh, yeah, take this plastic airplane back
00:32:27
to 1778. If you can get back there, why
00:32:30
would you do that? You don't.
00:32:31
So now you, now you look, are you going to pay him back?
00:32:34
You want him to be hung now? Because if he goes with that
00:32:38
airplane and somebody asked him, well, what is that?
00:32:42
Well, what what is first of all, the plastic.
00:32:46
I don't even think plastic existed back then.
00:32:51
So you've already got questions about that.
00:32:53
You've got questions about what exactly this thing is.
00:32:57
What are you going to tell them? Oh, it's something I thought
00:33:00
about it. It, you know, flies in the sky.
00:33:02
People already probably remember Jimmy with his little room, room
00:33:07
and all this other stuff that he used to call the car and the
00:33:10
airplane. Like, why are you trying so hard
00:33:16
to? I don't even put yourselves in
00:33:20
danger. Put other people in danger.
00:33:22
Like, it's almost like you're waving a big banner that says,
00:33:26
hey, we're time travelers, help find out what it's about.
00:33:30
Yeah, yeah, I, I definitely agree to that because I guess in
00:33:35
all the other time traveling things we have watched or
00:33:39
endured, everyone is like, OK, there's certain things you
00:33:42
should not do and they continue to do and never ask themselves
00:33:51
the question the day. Like, why would you give him
00:33:57
something to take back when when you were back there, you
00:34:01
question if you should make something or not.
00:34:06
So why would you send him back with a toy from Toys-R-Us?
00:34:09
That doesn't make him, you know what I'm saying?
00:34:12
Now, if you send him back something, you know, a drawing
00:34:17
of them because you can be like, this is your family, this is
00:34:21
what you endure. This is your legacy type of
00:34:24
thing. But honestly, a plane.
00:34:28
Can we just get the man back to his family?
00:34:31
Right. Let's not worry.
00:34:32
About No, they can't take a drawing back, because a drawing
00:34:34
will most likely be in crayon and the people in the 1700s
00:34:37
gonna be like what the. Hell no.
00:34:38
We, we need a, we need someone to draw it in pencils and
00:34:41
charcoal. But you gotta, you have to think
00:34:45
about those things. And let's be clear, they don't
00:34:49
think. I.
00:34:52
Obviously, you know concerning that.
00:34:54
Sometimes they don't, you know, they're they're a little bit
00:34:59
sheltered, but not sheltered, which is kind of odd because you
00:35:02
even think about Rodger dealing with widows, like he didn't even
00:35:05
get that. OK.
00:35:07
That part I would say I understand that a little bit
00:35:12
more than I do the other stuff because this is a this is a long
00:35:16
running joke. We, I mean we tell this all the
00:35:18
time. Some men are very clueless when
00:35:23
it comes to a one woman flirting with them.
00:35:25
They they are they. They don't pay.
00:35:27
Attention, but that's fine. I I'm OK with that.
00:35:31
But then again, you also know the time and men just don't have
00:35:37
a friendship with a woman like that.
00:35:40
Which is, which is how he ended up getting hung in the 1st.
00:35:43
Place, you know, you see what I'm saying?
00:35:44
So that's not how like currently that's fine.
00:35:49
But you guys know certain things yeah happen, though sometimes
00:35:55
they are tad bit clueless with everything unless it's seriously
00:36:00
written across people faces. Villain danger, stay away, don't
00:36:05
do it right. So but now they will learn.
00:36:11
Hopefully they will learn from this experience.
00:36:15
If you don't lie after this man, then kid, that's your child.
00:36:18
Right. Which could, like, literally you
00:36:21
don't. Well, now we wouldn't just send
00:36:25
our kids off to someone's house to spend the night.
00:36:27
Back then. People did all the time.
00:36:30
Yeah, and even sent the kid to go over the person's house at
00:36:33
night and they walked down the road and they get picked to be
00:36:36
that. Is true because I think that I
00:36:38
think that the year is 1980 presently for Brianna and
00:36:43
Rogers. So yeah, you're right.
00:36:44
You're right. Yeah, we we did a lot of those
00:36:47
things in the 80s. We did, and I watched the
00:36:50
documentary about how a lot of kids went missing and that, but
00:36:54
no one would have paid attention because they're like, oh, you
00:36:58
know, you need a ride. Someone drives by and say
00:37:00
they'll give you a ride. You get in the car, but no you
00:37:05
don't. Yeah.
00:37:08
So hopefully they will have learned their lesson and get him
00:37:12
back, and I don't know how they're going to do that.
00:37:15
I don't either. And I, I think it's very
00:37:17
interesting because in this episode we see a little bit more
00:37:22
about the connection that Mandy and Jim have with each other.
00:37:26
We saw it in the 1700s, right before they came back when Mandy
00:37:30
was a baby, because they were trying to get Jim to hear the
00:37:34
Stones. And he was like, yeah, I hear it
00:37:36
singing. She can hear it, too.
00:37:38
And they're like, how do you know?
00:37:39
She told me. And then looking at him, like,
00:37:41
what? So the whole way that they find
00:37:44
out that Jim is missing is because Mandy has a bad dream.
00:37:49
And she tells them he's gone. Jim is gone.
00:37:52
And they're like, no, he's he's OK.
00:37:54
He's over at Bobby's house. He's just spending the night.
00:37:56
He'll be back. She was like, no, he's not here.
00:37:59
He's not here. And then because she's so
00:38:02
adamant about it, Rodgers, like, what if he's not here?
00:38:07
And she points to her head, She say he's not here with me.
00:38:10
And that's when Brianna realizes, oh, wait, their
00:38:13
connection. And then she tells him she was
00:38:16
like, Rodger asked her what was in the bad dream.
00:38:23
And she says there were stones. And they were screaming at me.
00:38:27
Now we got to remember Mandy was a baby, like only a few months
00:38:33
old when they came through the stones.
00:38:36
She wouldn't remember the standing stones.
00:38:39
No. So the fact that she is saying
00:38:41
this so clearly, so perfectly, there was there were stones and
00:38:44
they were screaming at me, Jim and I think Rodger said, were
00:38:50
you at the stone? She said, not me, Jim.
00:38:52
The bad man took him there. Listen.
00:38:58
Yeah, you know what? She got a little bit of Jamie
00:39:01
too, because Jamie has dreams of things, of things he has not
00:39:07
experienced, and she is doing the same.
00:39:12
Right. So that really, that really
00:39:16
makes me wonder more about Jamie as well, because we know he
00:39:22
can't travel, but it's almost it's almost as if you have the
00:39:30
one side, you have clear side. You have gave us the side you
00:39:33
have, you have the people who are the travelers and then you
00:39:37
have the people. Even though Mandy is is both,
00:39:40
she can she can see things that you know, she's aware of things
00:39:44
that she shouldn't be aware of and she can also travel.
00:39:48
But I wonder if there's something about Jamie's side,
00:39:52
and I don't know if this is with anybody else on his side, but
00:39:55
it's almost like he's a magnet for Claire's side of the family.
00:40:03
Because think about it, even though like Claire found him the
00:40:10
first time just kind of by accident.
00:40:13
And then of course, we see that it's obvious.
00:40:15
These are these are two people who were destined to be
00:40:19
together. Through time, through space,
00:40:22
through everything, Brianna, even though she, she knew where
00:40:29
she was going, she knew she was looking for her mother.
00:40:33
She found Jamie first. You know, Roger came looking for
00:40:40
all of them and, and has had a similar experience too.
00:40:44
So it's it's like there has to be something special about Jamie
00:40:52
that we just haven't explored yet.
00:40:54
And I will say this too, for the books, I'm not going to give
00:40:58
spoilers, but that is something that happens in the books.
00:41:01
As far as him having the dreams about Jim answering the
00:41:06
telephone, about him seeing the kids playing, those were dreams
00:41:11
that actually work in the book. So he also dreams of them in the
00:41:14
books they haven't said anything about.
00:41:19
What it is with him, right? And that has to be something
00:41:23
special because he also, he also had a dream about Mickey Mouse
00:41:28
in the show, so. No, I don't.
00:41:32
Was it? No.
00:41:33
He didn't have a dream about Mickey Mouse.
00:41:35
Brianna was telling him about Mickey Mouse.
00:41:38
I thought he had. He asked her, but he had that it
00:41:43
was like it hinted at it. OK, never mind.
00:41:45
I thought he had a dream of her somewhere.
00:41:49
Oh wait, you know what? And then that's when she told
00:41:53
the story. Or was the story a part of
00:41:56
something else when she was sleeping?
00:41:57
OK, I. Don't know, OK.
00:41:59
But we do know, we 'cause I can't remember now, we do know
00:42:02
he does dream of things that he should not know about.
00:42:05
Right. He had the dream of Claire
00:42:07
sitting at her desk with electricity around her.
00:42:10
So. So he's special.
00:42:14
And that's one of the things they better put in this show
00:42:17
before. It is why he's special.
00:42:19
They need to talk about those connections.
00:42:22
They do they have to talk about why, Why he's special?
00:42:25
Because you had me to believe it.
00:42:27
Which is funny because we're watching a show about time
00:42:29
travel and I had a hard time about him dreaming about future
00:42:32
things. I'm confused of why that would
00:42:37
be, why I had a hard time. Yeah, but I mean it, that could
00:42:42
also explain something about why his ghost was there looking at
00:42:46
Claire in the very first episode.
00:42:49
And remember that vision of his ghost that was clearly young
00:42:55
Jamie. I mean, he had on the little,
00:42:58
the little beret, his hair was curly.
00:43:01
He had on the the kilt. He he looked younger.
00:43:05
It was a young him. So he needs to tell us that he's
00:43:08
been having dreams all of his life, which is why that's passed
00:43:15
down to his. Granny could be, but that could
00:43:21
and then again that would. Then the question would be, does
00:43:26
that have anything to do with his parents and and the?
00:43:29
Reason why I We'll find that out later.
00:43:31
Yeah, yeah, with Blood of My Blood with the other show.
00:43:35
But it had me thinking, because I've been, I've been doing a
00:43:40
Outlander rewatch. I started all the way at the
00:43:43
beginning, season 1, so I'm in season 3 now.
00:43:47
But do you remember the episode where Jamie was in prison and
00:43:54
Duncan Kirk came up the cliffs and he was talking about the
00:43:57
gold is cursed, The gold is cursed.
00:44:00
And then remember when he was in the bed and he was telling Jamie
00:44:04
about this vision or this whatever he had, he started
00:44:09
talking about the Mackenzie's and about Jamie's mother and
00:44:14
about how she married a selkie from Selkie Island, talking
00:44:20
about Jamie's dad. So now this got me thinking
00:44:24
maybe there's something a little bit, I don't know if I want to
00:44:27
use the word magical, but there's something special about
00:44:32
him as well. Yeah.
00:44:34
And maybe that's passed down. Yeah.
00:44:36
So now it's like, how can you end the show?
00:44:39
Because there's so many other things that we need to explore.
00:44:43
And they haven't talked about it in the books yet.
00:44:45
But the good thing is we are getting a show about Brian and
00:44:49
Ellen Fraser. So maybe those answers will,
00:44:57
maybe they won't answer the question, but maybe they will
00:44:59
give us enough information for us to kind of put two and two
00:45:02
together and come up with four instead of 6.
00:45:06
So but. Like we're like we're doing now.
00:45:09
We're just. But I mean, I didn't even think
00:45:12
about all of that until we just started discussing it because I
00:45:16
was like, OK, so Mandy has this connection with Jim.
00:45:20
Jamie obviously has a connection with the kids as well.
00:45:23
But then I thought about, I was like, wait.
00:45:25
But he said he dreamt of Claire in her own time before, and
00:45:30
that's unusual. So now I'm thinking, OK, so
00:45:33
there has to be something like there has to be a reason why
00:45:38
Jamie and Claire have been drawn together the way that they have.
00:45:43
Because even with all the trials, the tribulations, the
00:45:46
murders, the the, this, the that, the, the, the, the trauma
00:45:54
that they have gone through just so they can be together, it has
00:45:59
to be something on a supernatural level.
00:46:04
Right. And we can add to that that it
00:46:06
is because we can just say that Jamie is magical.
00:46:11
And he is. Let's see, he's a Patronus.
00:46:16
Yeah, my shirt, My shirt says Jamie Fraser is my Patronus.
00:46:20
So yeah, he's patron. So he's.
00:46:21
So let's say he's kind of more like, we could say like maybe a
00:46:25
fairy where like they attract because I feel like he attracts
00:46:31
a lot of people around him. I agree.
00:46:36
And he has the 9 lives. Yeah, I believe because he he
00:46:40
also attracts a lot of trouble. He does and and think that's why
00:46:44
they said that about his lives like he should at this point be
00:46:47
there. He should be something is really
00:46:50
he has a protection spell around him of something yes, so which
00:46:56
draws which honestly makes you think maybe he draws travelers
00:47:00
to him. Maybe he is the music, the
00:47:09
noise, that frequency. I like that.
00:47:15
I do too. I like that OK.
00:47:19
OK. So we're going to, we're going
00:47:20
to keep, we're going to keep ruminating over this, but we're
00:47:23
not going to do it in this in this show because we have gotten
00:47:26
way in the weeds, as your husband would say, way in the
00:47:30
weeds. We're not in the basement.
00:47:32
We're we're, we're nowhere. But I mean, at least it does
00:47:36
relate to what we were talking about, because we were talking
00:47:38
about Mandy and her knowledge of Jim and the fact that Jim is not
00:47:44
present in her mind anymore. That's how she knows.
00:47:47
OK. He's missing.
00:47:49
Right. And then, of course, you know
00:47:51
Roger, which will be the reason why they attract trouble to a
00:47:55
lot than the normal people. Yeah.
00:47:59
Good, good and bad. That's.
00:48:01
That's true. That's true.
00:48:02
So. OK.
00:48:04
So. Yeah.
00:48:04
So. Yeah.
00:48:06
So her calls. She calls Bobby's mother because
00:48:11
Jim is supposed to be over there for a sleepover.
00:48:14
You know, they were supposed to go to the movies, have a
00:48:15
sleepover. She's like, yeah, Jim is not
00:48:18
here. Well, your brother said that he
00:48:21
was going to be over there spending the night.
00:48:23
Sister goes and looks across the street at her brother's house.
00:48:26
Brother's car is gone, so Roger and Buck head to the Stones.
00:48:33
They find Rob Cameron's car and then at the stones, which
00:48:38
obviously are still active because they hear it, they find
00:48:42
Jim Scarf and I was like this food and took this boy through
00:48:46
the stones, which so then here's the question and you and I
00:48:51
discussed this in the last episode.
00:48:53
Who the fuck is Rob Cameron that he can go through the stones?
00:48:57
Correct. But here's the thing that we've
00:48:59
missed. This is why when you first got
00:49:02
that letter about. The the Frenchman, I mean the
00:49:07
Spaniard and the gold the Frenchman.
00:49:08
When you got that letter, you should have asked your baby
00:49:12
about it, because now, now I just read the letter correct.
00:49:18
And you have no idea where to go, right?
00:49:23
I wanted to play like this. Is he he?
00:49:25
Ha ha. You should have asked him about
00:49:28
the gold. You should have asked your son
00:49:31
about it. But you did.
00:49:33
Well I mean OK I will under I I will say this.
00:49:37
I understand them not asking because of the fact that Jamie
00:49:41
gave them the warning that the gold is cursed.
00:49:44
Yeah, but we still should have just asked the boy if it was
00:49:47
true and where it is and we going to stay away from it.
00:49:50
But now you don't have an idea. However, I'm in love with the
00:49:55
duo of Rodger and Buck, but they don't have their own.
00:49:59
Love it. I need to see some more
00:50:01
adventures with them because because here's the thing.
00:50:05
But came in and this is the other reason why I was like,
00:50:08
Brianna, you need to treat him nice.
00:50:10
You need to be better than you need to be better to him.
00:50:13
Because even when she was questioning him earlier about
00:50:18
why he's there, she was like, I just want to know why you're
00:50:20
here. Like, don't you want to go back
00:50:22
to your wife and son? What were you thinking about
00:50:25
when you came through the stones?
00:50:26
This dude was fake. This dude was thinking, what the
00:50:30
fuck is this noise and why is it reverberating all through my
00:50:32
body? I don't think he was
00:50:34
specifically thinking of Roger or any of that because again, he
00:50:39
didn't know Roger was king to him.
00:50:41
And why would he think about Roger going through the stones?
00:50:44
So there's, I, I do believe that there may be something else
00:50:47
there that attracted him or OK, if we're going back to the
00:50:51
conversation we had five, 5 minutes ago, Mandy being able to
00:50:57
travel and also have this connection with Jim, maybe she's
00:51:02
that magnet or that, that frequency as well.
00:51:06
Maybe, maybe there was something out there, and I know we're
00:51:09
probably stretching it, but maybe there was something out
00:51:13
there that pulled him through to that particular time because.
00:51:17
He was needed. He was needed because I will say
00:51:21
this, they have been, you know. Oh, yeah.
00:51:24
Well, we're going to find. We're going to send you back
00:51:26
through the stones. This, that and the other.
00:51:28
But the minute they found out Jim was missing, but was there.
00:51:34
OK, well, let's go find your boy.
00:51:38
I told you Well, right. Or die he was.
00:51:41
Yeah, I'm glad he didn't say that.
00:51:43
I told you so. But he went with Rodger to the
00:51:46
stones. He was trying to tell.
00:51:48
Look, you need to calm down so we can find him, you know,
00:51:51
trying to keep trying to keep Roger from.
00:51:55
Doing something stupid. Doing something stupid, but also
00:51:59
blaming himself because yes, Roger is going down the very
00:52:03
same list that I just chided them for.
00:52:05
He was like, why did I leave the letters out?
00:52:07
And then he remembers that in the journal, he wrote about
00:52:11
Gavis Duncan thinking that you need a blunt sacrifice.
00:52:16
And so now he's thinking, oh, Rob is going to try to go
00:52:18
through the stones and he's going to use Jim as a sacrifice.
00:52:21
Thankfully, there was nobody at the stones like we saw with
00:52:24
Jimmy Galis's husband. But still, it's like Buck, I
00:52:30
think is going to be the one to kind of level Brianna and Rodger
00:52:36
because right now they are way up here because, you know, if
00:52:42
Rodger is in the car verbally talking about what he should
00:52:46
have done, what he did wrong, this, that and other, you know,
00:52:49
Brianna is probably 10 times worse.
00:52:52
But Brianna may not even know some of the stuff that Rodger
00:52:54
knows. Rodger may not have even told
00:52:57
her that he thinks Cameron read his read it.
00:53:03
Yeah, 'cause they didn't. They may not have had that
00:53:05
conversation. He he may have just not say
00:53:08
anything, you know, like brushing it off.
00:53:10
So now she's in her mind thinking my coat like we don't
00:53:13
really know what her thinking is.
00:53:15
A more like I welcome my coworker in.
00:53:18
He could be a serial killer. I think he may have said.
00:53:22
Did he tell her? I'm trying to remember because.
00:53:27
I don't remember. That she would be like, why is
00:53:29
he why is he taking Jim? Like why would he take Jim,
00:53:32
right. I think that Roger was saying,
00:53:34
oh, probably because he. They they may have had that
00:53:38
conversation in bed. It may be something that was off
00:53:40
screen in bed. They had the conversation.
00:53:43
No, I think he did mention to her that one of the letters was
00:53:46
disturbed and he, Rob Cameron knows about the.
00:53:49
The gold. OK, Yeah.
00:53:52
Because and and again. But does he know Roger?
00:53:57
You're sitting in, you're sitting in your office, you're
00:54:01
looking around because you can't sleep and, and something woke
00:54:04
him up. So that's the other thing.
00:54:06
Something woke Roger up right before Mandy started screaming.
00:54:11
He got out of the bed, he went downstairs and he just started
00:54:14
looking around. And that's when he noticed the
00:54:16
box with that little piece of paper sticking out the corner.
00:54:21
And I'm like, the minute you saw that, that piece of paper was
00:54:24
sticking. Cause your instincts was telling
00:54:26
you, because your instincts should have been saying all
00:54:30
along. That's what Buck was trying to
00:54:32
say. Like Buck's instincts were like,
00:54:34
oh. But danger, Danger stranger.
00:54:37
Right. And now you're like something
00:54:40
don't feel right, but you can't put your finger on it.
00:54:44
Now you have your finger on it. So, and let's just hope it's not
00:54:49
too late. Let's see, let's see.
00:54:53
But yeah, so I said it before and I said it and I'll say it
00:54:57
again, that Rob Cameron, you know, I said it before that
00:55:02
something ain't right about him. He needs to go.
00:55:04
No, that you, you don't touch Jim now.
00:55:07
You you need to die. You need to die.
00:55:09
Jamie needs to see this in the past to see that his grandson is
00:55:13
in trouble. And tell Claire, like, OK, I
00:55:15
don't know what we're about to do, but Jamie kind of has his
00:55:18
mind on up things right now. So let's just kind of transition
00:55:24
into that. Because last note though, we
00:55:27
really don't. We now need to know who Cameron
00:55:30
is for him to be able to travel and hopefully we find out more
00:55:34
in the next episode. OK, so we can go to the Jane.
00:55:38
Cameron is a dead man walking. That's what he is 'cause he
00:55:40
didn't fuck with the wrong family.
00:55:42
I that's what that's what I was saying like we don't You should
00:55:46
be aware that they could be other travelers around you and
00:55:49
their intention is is not good. Yeah, and like I said, when when
00:55:54
Buck asked them about other travelers and Roger told him,
00:55:59
you know, my mother-in-law a, a, a Indian that I met when to go
00:56:04
daughter. Right.
00:56:06
So you have to. And then it's so sad that they
00:56:11
don't even realize like it, it's even before you.
00:56:15
Because if you think it's passed on to your kids, it's actually
00:56:19
maybe your grandparents, your parents.
00:56:21
I mean, Gaylis Duncan. I mean, think about it.
00:56:23
She's Rogers six. Well if Buck is is the six times
00:56:29
great grandfather then that means Galas is 7 times.
00:56:32
Right. So it's like every, so it's now
00:56:36
looking like it's every generation.
00:56:38
It's not skipping, it's going every generation.
00:56:42
It's just people know and don't know or haven't had the
00:56:44
experience or if you have a lot of missing people in your family
00:56:48
line, hint, hint. They may have the travelers.
00:56:54
Yeah, they. Look, they only showed us a
00:56:56
little, a little piece of the Mackenzie family tree.
00:57:00
Yeah. So we don't know.
00:57:04
So 'cause 'cause we, we know it's Roger, We know it's Jim and
00:57:08
Mandy. It's hitting the generations.
00:57:12
Yeah, 'cause you just go. We can just say this.
00:57:15
Yep. You've got Buck, Buck.
00:57:18
Roger, Jim, Mandy, that's just five and that's within a 6th
00:57:24
generation gap. So we don't know.
00:57:26
But we don't know about Buck's son Jeremiah.
00:57:29
And then he said Morag was pregnant when he went through
00:57:32
the stones. So she's currently pregnant in
00:57:35
1778. We don't know anything about
00:57:38
that child. And then, of course, the
00:57:41
generations coming down, it's, it's all, oh, that's the other
00:57:45
thing on that side. Aside from Davis, it seems to be
00:57:50
all, well, yeah, it's all males. As far as all the Jeremiahs
00:57:57
'cause, if you think about Roger.
00:57:59
And he was like, yeah, he was like, my son is Jeremiah.
00:58:02
He was named after my father, who was named after his
00:58:05
granddad, who was named after your son.
00:58:08
So it's like every other generation, there's a Jeremiah.
00:58:10
So maybe that could be the kind of, I don't know.
00:58:14
We're again, we're, we're just kind.
00:58:15
Of well, no, we just know it's kind of figured out.
00:58:18
It's in the family. Yeah.
00:58:19
So basically that means there's other families where there's
00:58:23
travelers, so you never know who you're going to encounter.
00:58:25
And Cameron clearly is 1. And the weird thing is, OK,
00:58:33
isn't Jacosta's last name Cameron?
00:58:39
Oh, don't even put stuff. In my head.
00:58:42
That's OK. What's happening to Jamie right
00:58:44
now? What's happening to Jamie right
00:58:46
now? I can't, Right?
00:58:48
Yeah. We won't.
00:58:49
We won't go there because that would.
00:58:50
Be that's a different episode. That would be really screwed up
00:58:53
if he was family and going through all that, but.
00:58:56
Yeah. That don't wait.
00:59:00
Don't make a connection. Please don't.
00:59:04
I'll tell you about it off there.
00:59:05
OK. Thank you.
00:59:07
I'll tell you about just remind. OK, let's go back.
00:59:09
Let's let's go to Jamie and and Claire.
00:59:13
Because I, I realized we're not talking a lot about the American
00:59:18
Revolution stuff. And that's because I'm just one
00:59:20
of those people. History is like one of the
00:59:22
things I just don't like talking about.
00:59:26
And there's so much going on with these people.
00:59:30
But we do see the battle Saratoga happening in this
00:59:35
episode. Jamie has been, I don't know if
00:59:42
he's been conscripted or if he volunteered since he was like,
00:59:46
well, they conscripted me for the army anyway, or for the
00:59:50
militia anyway. I might as well just go ahead
00:59:53
and join these snipers. But apparently Jamie don't need
00:59:57
the glasses that he needed in in season 3 to to shoot some folks
01:00:01
because he has been. Recruited into a very elite
01:00:08
group of gunsmen who are fighting in this war.
01:00:13
And again, I'm sitting here looking like.
01:00:17
We can never retire. Yeah, I, I, I think I'm, I'm to
01:00:23
the point where I'm just ready for people to leave Jamie and
01:00:26
fuck alone. Let him retire, live his life.
01:00:31
This man just wants to go home to Scotland.
01:00:33
But y'all have pulled him into the militia.
01:00:35
He had to go through all this stuff with Fort Ticonderoga.
01:00:38
Then Claire got kidnapped. He had to go save her yet again.
01:00:42
And I'm just like, just leave this man alone, leave him alone.
01:00:47
But no, y'all, y'all got him going into battle, which he was
01:00:54
not supposed to see any action, right?
01:00:57
That's what he told Claire. But what happens at the end of
01:01:00
the episode? His ass is lying on the field on
01:01:04
the battlefield. I know he's not dead because we.
01:01:07
Have a whole. We have.
01:01:09
First of all, we have a whole another another season coming.
01:01:12
Season and 1/2. Right.
01:01:14
And it's not just clear. Right.
01:01:16
So here we go again. Yep, check off one of those nine
01:01:21
lives, right. But I think the really the
01:01:31
really interesting thing that's going to happen not just in this
01:01:35
episode, but I think in the next, I think we have what, one
01:01:39
more episode before the the hiatus.
01:01:44
So we're still covering 7A7B comes back November 22nd.
01:01:50
But I have a feeling they're going to do the other big battle
01:01:53
because I think there are two battles of Saratoga.
01:01:56
And The thing is, Jamie is fighting against his son in
01:02:01
these battles. Because up until you see him on
01:02:05
the battlefield, most of that battle sequence we see from like
01:02:10
William's point of view, because William is also heavily in this
01:02:14
particular episode. But then when you realize
01:02:18
William was on one side and then again at the end of the episode,
01:02:21
you see Jamie on the ground, you're like, wait, they were
01:02:24
fighting against each other. And you know, that was the one
01:02:27
thing Jamie said he did not want to do.
01:02:28
That's why he was trying to leave before things got heavy
01:02:32
because he said that he would never be on the opposite side of
01:02:36
a battlefield from his son. Right?
01:02:39
So I'm like OK y'all can stress me out.
01:02:42
I know, 'cause I keep thinking that, you know, Jamie is really
01:02:45
good at his job. Oh my God, he's really good at
01:02:50
his job. Anything he does, he's very
01:02:52
great at. So then it's really hard when I
01:02:56
just kind of feel like William was going to get shot by his
01:02:58
dad. I, I oh.
01:03:01
I was like, I'm, I'm stressed about this.
01:03:02
And then you. Know they can't do that.
01:03:04
Jamie will, I mean, he won't die.
01:03:06
We we know William's not going to die, but I really don't know,
01:03:10
to be honest with you. I don't know what's going to
01:03:13
happen to William, but I don't want him to be shot by his dad
01:03:17
and I don't want that on Jamie's conscience.
01:03:21
And they haven't even told each other he hadn't told William who
01:03:25
he was. So that's kind of the hard part,
01:03:28
right? So, but I'm like you, I love,
01:03:32
I'm opposite, I love history, I love all of this.
01:03:36
But I am now tired of it, to be completely honest.
01:03:39
I'm ready for us to move on. I'm ready for him to go back
01:03:42
home. I'm ready for.
01:03:43
Scotland for Jamie Yeah, I am, I'm, I'm, I'm like ready for
01:03:47
that like, I, I get it, it these little wars are important.
01:03:54
I like how they don't know about them because that's not what
01:03:58
they really learned in school. They learned about the the
01:04:01
major, you know, wars and battles that they had.
01:04:05
However, I am now tired of this. I am tired of the mid battle.
01:04:11
I'm tired of. Lionel Brown Territory.
01:04:15
Right. It is for me.
01:04:17
I'm tired of Claire being, you know, the battle nurse.
01:04:21
I don't care anymore. Yeah, 'cause we know what's
01:04:25
going to happen now. So I need them to to constantly
01:04:30
put them in danger, to put them in these battles when we know he
01:04:34
is not going to die. But you're taking his lives
01:04:38
away. I don't need him to have two
01:04:40
left by the time he gets to get home, right?
01:04:44
'Cause they no tell her what's going to happen in Scotland.
01:04:47
Right. So I need us to now leave
01:04:51
America. Yes, and I I mean, we already
01:04:56
know they are going to make it to Scotland because they yeah,
01:04:59
we do because of who don't have on the cast list when they
01:05:03
announced who was going to be in the the second part of season 7.
01:05:07
So we know we're getting Ian back.
01:05:08
We know we're getting Jenny back.
01:05:10
We know that there will be some flashback scenes because Dougal
01:05:16
and Gay list. Will be in there.
01:05:19
Will be back, Marsley back. I mean I need Fergus back.
01:05:23
Oh yes, they are back. They are back 'cause I did see
01:05:26
a, they did post a video and also Marsley, Lauren Lyle, she
01:05:33
posted her, her final day of shooting.
01:05:36
I think it was maybe a couple of weeks ago.
01:05:39
She was like, she was like, my shooting for Outlander is done.
01:05:44
I was like, oh, we just got you back.
01:05:47
But then I have to remember season 8, she season 8.
01:05:52
So I'm like, OK, we we may not see them in the back half of
01:05:55
Season 7, especially if they are, if they explore Scotland
01:05:59
the whole time, which I don't know if they're going to do.
01:06:03
But I think for Season 8, I think they only have, I want to
01:06:10
say it's only 8. Episodes I can't I I just can't,
01:06:13
but that's why I need us to get out of this war.
01:06:17
I I'm just done with it. I'm be honest with you.
01:06:20
Yeah. I'm done.
01:06:24
Yeah. It's not really doing any.
01:06:26
It's still quality, but it's not doing anything for me.
01:06:30
Yeah, because again, going back to what we were saying earlier
01:06:34
about fixed timelines, we already know how it's going to
01:06:37
end. Yeah, we do.
01:06:39
We. Already know how it's going to
01:06:40
end. You just make them hurt.
01:06:43
It's just hurt again. Yeah.
01:06:46
And you're, you're introducing us to some of the, some of the
01:06:52
figures from that time, like we've already met Benedict
01:06:57
Arnold. I don't know if any of the
01:07:01
others are as important, like, oh, Simon Fraser, you know,
01:07:05
that's got to be a relative of Jamie's.
01:07:07
Yeah, it is. So I just I don't know if he's a
01:07:15
real historical figure because just like we talked about this a
01:07:20
while back, Jamie's grand sire from season, I think it was
01:07:25
season 1. What was his name again?
01:07:32
Love it, love it, love it as well as here.
01:07:35
Was it Simon Lovett? No, the Fraser that was talked
01:07:40
about. Oh, Simon, Simon Fraser.
01:07:43
OK, I thought so Simon Fraser, but I think, I think Simon was
01:07:48
his grand sire's name as well. But and and I know that that
01:07:54
there was a real historical person by that name who was a
01:07:59
part of the Fraser clan. But yeah, it's, it's just
01:08:02
getting to the point where it's just, it's, it's dragging on too
01:08:09
long. Yeah, and it was, it was
01:08:12
somebody. He was a general.
01:08:14
OK, OK, so it it's like we know where where this story ends.
01:08:22
I seriously doubt if Jamie would play a big enough part for him
01:08:29
to be mentioned in the history books.
01:08:32
But then again, we don't know that because going back to the
01:08:36
whole thing with Frank and what he may or may have not have
01:08:40
known, the fact that he was training Brianna, you know,
01:08:45
teaching her how to ride a horse, teaching her how to shoot
01:08:47
a gun. At some point, he had to have
01:08:49
found mention of her in history in order for him to say, OK, you
01:08:54
know what? I need to she goes back in time.
01:08:56
I need to, I need to train her how to do this.
01:08:59
Or he had to sing something about Jamie and Claire,
01:09:02
something other than the the obituary.
01:09:05
Not I know that with the obituary, of course he's figured
01:09:10
out OK, Claire goes back to him, but he doesn't even know if
01:09:14
Brianna can travel. Right.
01:09:17
And I, I totally agree. Side note, when we were on
01:09:22
vacation a couple weeks ago, I met a, I'm going to say young
01:09:26
lady met a young lady, an old lady who has read, read all the
01:09:30
books. And we're talking Outlander.
01:09:31
And I, I told her about that, about what did Frank know?
01:09:35
It's like that could be a whole episode or book.
01:09:40
And she and I gave her all the points that you just said.
01:09:42
And she's like, man, I just never thought about that.
01:09:45
And I think I think there may be something that Diana Gabaldon is
01:09:51
working on. So she really.
01:09:54
Yeah. And she thought about it.
01:09:55
She's like, well, that would make perfect sense of why he
01:09:58
would train her to like, he knows something now what he
01:10:02
knows from the extent and what he kept to himself or what he
01:10:07
put things in place for them, We don't know, right.
01:10:11
But that would be something that would be a nice little side book
01:10:15
that she can write. Yeah, I would read.
01:10:19
It I would too 'cause I would want to know.
01:10:22
And maybe that would change. Maybe.
01:10:26
What how you feel about Frank? Because what OK, we that's a
01:10:30
different that's a different show too.
01:10:31
We can talk about how you feel about Frank It.
01:10:34
It it is. But I mean non book reader.
01:10:37
I understand and care about Frank, and he was actually.
01:10:46
He was very sympathetic in the show and the books, not so much.
01:10:50
That's what I don't know, the book 1.
01:10:51
So the book Frank I feel bad for, I feel sorry for.
01:10:55
I feel like he was almost mistreated just to take in the
01:10:59
show. Yeah.
01:11:02
Based on things he could not even help.
01:11:07
Yeah, that's a whole other, that's a whole, that's a whole
01:11:10
different one discussion. And guess what?
01:11:12
We should have that discussion. I think we should because
01:11:16
especially with me going back and re watching the episodes,
01:11:19
there are certain things that I'm looking at.
01:11:22
You know, you always, when you always re watch something, you
01:11:26
always see something that you didn't see before, no matter how
01:11:29
many times you've watched it. I think I've seen season 1 in an
01:11:33
in its entirety. This may have been my 6th or 7th
01:11:39
viewing, aside from the Wentworth prison episodes,
01:11:42
which, you know, which I kind of fast forwarded through, but
01:11:45
there's still things that I'm seeing and I'm noticing and I'm
01:11:48
like, so yes, we should have that discussion.
01:11:51
Yeah, we should. That's a but going back to to
01:11:54
Claire and and Jamie. Yes.
01:11:58
So, so Jamie has participated in this battle.
01:12:01
Saratoga and he is lying on the battlefield at the end, bloody
01:12:07
and who knows, maybe broken, maybe something is messed up.
01:12:13
But you are. I was going to say because you
01:12:14
know. Claire told him.
01:12:16
If you don't come back to me, I'm going to come find you.
01:12:18
You know she about to come looking for him.
01:12:20
Right. She is.
01:12:23
She is so. But with William, I do want to
01:12:27
talk about William a little bit because the more and more I see
01:12:31
his character, the more and more I'm like, I need him to be part
01:12:39
of the Fraser family. Like I need that reveal to come.
01:12:43
Because at first I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about
01:12:48
his character, especially given the fact that he's he's very
01:12:51
British, OK, He's very much for king and country.
01:12:55
He's very much the opposite of Jamie as far as his political
01:13:01
beliefs and and what he fights for.
01:13:04
But there's so much about him I feel like is Jamie because
01:13:11
especially we know that Lord John is a decorated soldier only
01:13:17
from what we've heard. Like we've never seen Lord John
01:13:21
in battle in this show. He's always, you know, in
01:13:25
uniform. He's a higher ranking officer.
01:13:28
He's done his time, he's done his battles.
01:13:30
So we don't get to see that from his character, but we've seen,
01:13:33
that's almost all we've seen of Jamie since season 1.
01:13:38
Jamie is always in a fight. He's always in a battle.
01:13:40
He's always fighting for his beliefs.
01:13:42
He's always, you know, he's always very, he's a very
01:13:45
physical person. And you see William also wanting
01:13:49
to embody that as a soldier. Like that's been the one thing
01:13:53
about him this season. He's he's wanting to be in the
01:13:56
battle. He wants to fight in the war.
01:13:58
He wants to fight for his country.
01:14:01
And in this one, that Captain Richardson, which again,
01:14:04
something is weird about that dude too, because why would you
01:14:09
take this soldier who has the pedigree that he has?
01:14:14
You know, William is the son of Lord John Gray.
01:14:19
You keep taking him away from the battle to go deliver
01:14:21
letters. Really.
01:14:24
Like, even after the last time he went to go deliver your
01:14:27
letters and he was almost killed, you still want to just
01:14:30
send him out. Something about him is not
01:14:33
right. But William does stand up for
01:14:37
himself. He talks to General Frazier and
01:14:40
he's like, hey, I don't think I should be here fighting with the
01:14:44
rest of the man. I don't want this little silly
01:14:47
job. And I don't know, maybe
01:14:49
Richardson is. Maybe Richardson is just trying
01:14:53
to keep him safe. Maybe Lord John has said, hey,
01:14:57
do whatever you have to do to keep my son from seeing battle.
01:15:01
But I don't think Lord John would do that, especially
01:15:04
knowing that something William wants.
01:15:07
But William gets his first taste in battle and it is not the way
01:15:13
he expected. Just like him killing a man was
01:15:17
not what he expected and he had to do that a couple episodes
01:15:20
ago. For one, he loses his best
01:15:23
friend. Like first shot at the Battle of
01:15:26
Saratoga Ghost. Yes, straight through Sandy's
01:15:29
head. Yeah.
01:15:30
And it's like he's they're sitting there having a
01:15:33
conversation, which is interesting because this is the
01:15:37
conversation where William actually admits that he has a
01:15:42
thing for Rachel. OK, we'll, we'll unpack that
01:15:45
later. Because again, we've talked
01:15:47
about that. We've talked about that
01:15:49
potential love triangle between him, Rachel and Ian.
01:15:52
But again, we haven't really seen William and Rachel interact
01:15:56
in the last couple of episodes. But he's sitting there talking
01:16:00
to Sandy about it and talks about Rachel.
01:16:04
And as soon as the shot goes off, it's like he had to have
01:16:08
heard that bullet hit his friend because he turned his head
01:16:14
directly and looked at him. And I was like, that bullet
01:16:17
could have gone anywhere. Can you imagine being in your
01:16:22
first battle and this is the first thing you see?
01:16:26
The person standing right next to you who could have easily
01:16:29
been. You dies.
01:16:34
So his ideas of battle, is it actually what battle is?
01:16:40
Yeah. And unfortunately, that's a hard
01:16:43
left, hard lesson for him to learn, but that's he had to
01:16:46
learn it in battle. Because you couldn't even sit
01:16:49
there and mourn your friend. You're sitting there like in
01:16:51
disbelief and in shock, trying to get him to get up.
01:16:56
And your general is telling you mind your man like you were
01:17:00
supposed to be leading a, a, a battalion group.
01:17:04
Go do your job. And that's when he kind of
01:17:07
collects himself and he gets up and he joins the battle.
01:17:10
Now, again, swordplay is on point.
01:17:13
He's doing what he's supposed to do.
01:17:15
And then afterwards, when the other soldiers are trying to,
01:17:20
they're digging graves for the fallen, and they're like, oh,
01:17:24
it's deep enough. We're going to put them bodies
01:17:26
in. No, he was like these people,
01:17:28
these men, these soldiers did not die on the battlefield just
01:17:33
to be dug up later by the wolves or whatever else is coming out
01:17:37
of them. And I think with him having to
01:17:41
do that, like you said, he's learning war and battle is not
01:17:47
what he thought. Because you, at this point, this
01:17:51
is probably the first time he's had to compartmentalize stuff
01:17:55
like that. Like you can't grieve, you can't
01:17:58
mourn, you can't show. Of course, this is the late
01:18:02
1700s in the British Army. You can't break down, you can't
01:18:07
show that kind of weakness. You have to show that oh I can
01:18:11
handle this because I asked to be.
01:18:13
Here, right, right. And I just wanted to reach
01:18:18
through the TV and just give him a hug and be like, it's going to
01:18:21
be OK, William. Yeah, William has to learn some
01:18:24
lessons. There's a lot that William needs
01:18:26
to learn, and he needs to learn it from his Ted, right?
01:18:32
'Cause I think he's learned everything he's, he probably
01:18:36
needs to from Lord John as far as being a proper gentleman as.
01:18:43
Right, but he now needs to learn real life.
01:18:44
To be honest, he does, because he's a little wet behind the
01:18:48
ears. He he really is.
01:18:50
He's probably been sheltered and spoiled.
01:18:52
Yeah, he has. And he, he just needs to like,
01:18:55
he doesn't. 9th Earl of Ellesmere.
01:18:58
Yeah, so he. Yeah.
01:19:02
So look, they need to be heavy on that in Season 8, but I need
01:19:08
to get a little bit of it in Season 7.
01:19:12
Right, so I say we need we, we do need to, but he has to.
01:19:18
That's the issue I actually have with William right now.
01:19:22
But I understand it like I need William to grow up 'cause like
01:19:27
right now, he found he, if he found out that Jamie was his
01:19:31
dad, like his reaction would be horrible.
01:19:38
It's going to be similar to Brianna's when she found out.
01:19:41
Right, because he is, so he's not worldly.
01:19:46
I feel like I need him to be worldly and understand the
01:19:49
circumstances of how this came to be so that when just just
01:19:55
life, just period life. So when they come to him and say
01:19:58
like, actually, this is how you came into this world, you're
01:20:01
like, OK, I kind of get it. I'm upset.
01:20:05
I'm the typical understanding that this is my father, this is
01:20:08
my dad, but this is my real father.
01:20:10
All those issues that come in between.
01:20:13
But now I feel like it just be like he's like a teenager.
01:20:17
He's just. Well, I think technically.
01:20:20
I know technically he probably is one.
01:20:22
He's supposed to be. I think I want to say either 18
01:20:26
or 19. Yeah.
01:20:27
OK. Well, then, yeah, that's pretty
01:20:29
much it. I just need him to get a little
01:20:31
whirly, like, not you can even see it.
01:20:34
Ian. Ian.
01:20:38
Has gone through some things, yeah.
01:20:40
But I mean, and he is youngster going and he is young too, but
01:20:46
he, he knows about the world. Yeah, 'cause I think when he
01:20:50
went through all of that stuff with, well, I mean, getting
01:20:54
kidnapped and then what Gaylors put him through, he was only 16
01:20:59
then 15 or 16 then, right? Yeah.
01:21:02
So unfortunately he's had to grow up a lot faster.
01:21:07
But again, he's also been, he's also seen more of the world,
01:21:11
which I'm not saying that William hasn't, because if you
01:21:14
think about it, when Lord John was in Jamaica, Isabel and
01:21:18
William were supposed to be on their way.
01:21:20
But he saw a different part of the world.
01:21:23
Yeah. So he saw the, the pretty coats,
01:21:29
the pretty colors. He didn't see what was behind
01:21:32
it. Yeah.
01:21:32
Yeah. And that's what I need him to.
01:21:34
And he's getting it now. Especially like, oh, I'm going
01:21:36
to be a battle. This is such a great, wonderful
01:21:39
thing. And 'cause I'm, you know, I'm
01:21:41
fighting for my country, but then you realize, well, yeah,
01:21:45
I'm fine for my country, but this shit sucks.
01:21:49
Yeah, like. There's real death and it could
01:21:51
be you, it could be your friend next to you, it could can happen
01:21:54
at any time, right? On both sides.
01:21:57
Everyone is fighting for something, so, and sometimes
01:22:03
you're fighting against a relative that you don't even
01:22:06
know. Yeah, 'cause then, if you think
01:22:10
about it, that means that General Fraser is his relatives.
01:22:13
Too, right. Correct.
01:22:17
See. So yeah, I just need for.
01:22:20
I hope in Part 2 he just kind of, you know, he kind of grows
01:22:26
up so that when the revealing happens, we don't have to rush
01:22:30
it but he can be angry. Of course he should be angry.
01:22:33
They didn't tell him the truth, but to be kind of understanding
01:22:39
in a way and lean towards learning, learning about his
01:22:42
sister and having that relationship.
01:22:44
And right now, that's not going to happen where William is at
01:22:48
this point in time. Right, right.
01:22:50
I mean and it's going to be difficult with that.
01:22:54
I mean, even just because of the fact that Brianna is not even in
01:22:57
that time anymore, right, That's.
01:22:59
A whole different way of I don't even know if they get 'cause I
01:23:02
don't know that's a good thing about it.
01:23:04
I don't know if they get to meet.
01:23:06
Yeah. So hopefully that does happen.
01:23:09
Yeah. Hopefully it's not a tragedy
01:23:11
that he does never find out about Jamie.
01:23:14
Right, 'cause I would hate for him to die in battle.
01:23:16
And then Jamie's like, oh, my son.
01:23:18
And right when he's died, 'cause then I'm going to be really
01:23:21
pissed off. I'm just going to tell you all
01:23:22
that right now I I don't think you do know.
01:23:28
You don't need you don't need to tell me later.
01:23:30
I'm. No, no, no, I wasn't.
01:23:32
I'm not even, I'm not even going into book stuff because again,
01:23:35
they do change some stuff from the book to the show.
01:23:37
I'm just. Saying I'm telling people, so if
01:23:40
they film this, they need to go back and film it again.
01:23:43
That's not what we're going to do.
01:23:44
We're not going to have this boy find out dying on the
01:23:47
battlefield and Jamie crying over.
01:23:49
No. It's that's not, that's not
01:23:51
what's going to happen here. I I don't.
01:23:52
Think that they would do that because the amount of outrage
01:23:56
they would have no and and I think you know, with you talking
01:24:03
about William needing to mature and needing to be a little more
01:24:06
worldly, I think that has to happen as far as the reveal of
01:24:12
Jamie being his father. He has to know that in order to
01:24:15
get to that point, I think. Because right now, like I said,
01:24:21
he's the 9th Earl of Ellesmere. He's never had to want for
01:24:24
anything. He's, you know, he's had every
01:24:28
luxury handed to him. I mean, we don't know much about
01:24:32
how he's brought up, but you, you have to believe that Lord
01:24:35
John would have made sure that Jamie's son lacked for nothing.
01:24:40
He lacked for nothing and that's his storyline about maturing, so
01:24:44
we don't need this love triangle.
01:24:47
Nah. We don't.
01:24:49
He has his own path that he needs to take that leads him to
01:24:54
Jamie. And that goes back to what we
01:24:55
said earlier about Jamie is a magnet.
01:24:58
He has that force field around him because even his son keeps
01:25:02
being. Pulled around him in his
01:25:05
vicinity after he thought he would never see his son again.
01:25:09
Correct? Yeah.
01:25:11
So, OK 'cause in real life he wouldn't keep running into his
01:25:16
son like this. Yeah.
01:25:18
And I think so. It's interesting because the the
01:25:22
casting that they did, of course they're not going to find
01:25:25
somebody that looks exactly like Sam Hewitt to play William.
01:25:31
But I think they did get casting pretty good because there are
01:25:36
certain facial expressions that that William Charles Vandervar
01:25:41
does that does remind you of Jamie.
01:25:45
Like he I think he's really studied that character because
01:25:48
in the books when they talk about Jamie and and William,
01:25:53
Jamie does his best not to ever be in the same vicinity with
01:25:57
William because of the fact that William looks so much like him.
01:26:02
That is like if if they were 100 feet away from each other in a
01:26:08
crowd and one person looked one way and one person looked the
01:26:11
other way, they would instantly make the connection.
01:26:13
Does he have dark hair in the books?
01:26:15
He has dark hair, but they mentioned that when he was going
01:26:19
through the Dismal Swamp and of course, you know, he couldn't
01:26:22
shave because he was lost for a few days.
01:26:24
His beard comes in copper. Interesting.
01:26:28
Mm, hmm. Mm hmm.
01:26:30
Because I like that he has dark hair like his, like his mom.
01:26:33
Because it was but. Yeah, his beard, his beard comes
01:26:36
in a little copperish, a little Auburn.
01:26:38
But he, because you know, they, they talk about redhead headed
01:26:42
people being like that's, that's the devil's color or something
01:26:46
having to do with redhead people.
01:26:48
I think Geneva's father. No, not Geneva's father, her
01:26:52
fiance when Jamie was there minding the carriage and he was
01:26:57
like, good God, I would drown. I would drown a child if I if he
01:27:01
ever came out with that color. So the red hair is not anything
01:27:05
that seemed favorably. So William usually shaves it off
01:27:08
immediately when he has it. And so he does that in the
01:27:12
books. But of course we haven't seen it
01:27:14
here in the show because they they went through the Dismal
01:27:20
Swamp stuff pretty quickly, which is good because it kind of
01:27:23
dragged on and. Right, like these battles.
01:27:25
So we need to get we need to, we need to get going.
01:27:28
Yeah, so so. Yeah, but I I'm looking forward
01:27:33
to more William content because like I said in the book when I
01:27:39
started reading him, of course he he does kind of comes off
01:27:44
very pompous, very, very British.
01:27:47
And he just kind of grows on me in the book.
01:27:50
And I'm finding that he's growing on me in the show as
01:27:53
well, because we don't, we don't see a lot of the like you do see
01:27:57
him being, I don't want to say pompous, but like I said, he's
01:28:01
he's being a a proper British gent the way Lord John is.
01:28:06
Lord John can be very, very stiff and very formal.
01:28:10
But we know little, I was about to say little John.
01:28:13
We know Lord John has a spark of mischievous with within himself.
01:28:20
And I think maybe if we see William a little bit more, we'll
01:28:26
see that from him before, you know, all hell breaks loose.
01:28:32
Yeah. But I'm, I'm, I'm ready for it.
01:28:36
I need to see, I need to see the reunion.
01:28:39
I need to see whatever the fallout from that reunion is
01:28:42
going to be. And then I need to see him and
01:28:45
Jamie kind of working their way towards each other.
01:28:50
I need to see what that's going to look like on screen.
01:28:53
So. But I need them to not fight
01:28:58
each other in battle. But again, like I said, there
01:29:01
were two battles of Saratoga. I have a feeling we're going to
01:29:03
see the second one, especially since they've been, they've been
01:29:06
giving us all of the battles. So, but I mean, they did that
01:29:10
too with the, with the Jacobite rising.
01:29:13
So we saw press the pans we saw. I forgot there was one other.
01:29:16
And then of course, colliding. So yeah, we have what, just a
01:29:23
little over a month and 1/2 to go because this is like I said,
01:29:30
September 29th is coming back November 22nd.
01:29:34
So it's coming. But now my question is, they
01:29:41
just wrapped season 8 yesterday. How long are we going to have to
01:29:49
wait to get season? Eight.
01:29:53
It literally should be if the next year.
01:29:58
This time I hope so, because I mean it honestly should be
01:30:01
November. Yeah.
01:30:03
Yeah, because we're getting the last part in November and then a
01:30:07
year later you wrapped. It's not like this has to be a
01:30:11
lot of, I'm sorry, CGI going on. It's not.
01:30:15
Yeah, yeah. I just don't want to.
01:30:19
You just have to edit. That's all you have to do.
01:30:23
It should not take two years. I hope not.
01:30:27
I hope not it for. A year and a half no.
01:30:29
Especially if because I don't I don't think they've given us a
01:30:35
premiere date for Blood of My Blood yet, but I would hope that
01:30:39
they would wrap up Outlander first before going into Blood of
01:30:44
My Blood. Right.
01:30:45
I mean, I know the two stories are did they, did they finish,
01:30:49
finish filming that? I believe they did.
01:30:53
Oh, oh Lord, that means yeah, it could be.
01:30:56
AI don't know. I'm not.
01:30:56
I'm not sure. That means we will, I know, but
01:30:59
that means we will get a prequel first and then we will get the.
01:31:02
I don't, I don't know if they would do that.
01:31:04
I don't know if they should do that.
01:31:06
They. Shouldn't.
01:31:07
Because you don't want the, even though I know that people are
01:31:11
going to understand that these are two separate stories taking
01:31:14
place in two separate time periods.
01:31:18
Still, you don't want to mix the stories together, especially
01:31:21
since you're talking about Jamie's parents and you're gonna
01:31:24
have like a young Dougal, a young column, a young Ellen.
01:31:32
I don't think they've cast a young Jacosta in this.
01:31:36
So I I don't know. But yeah, I would hope we would
01:31:42
get Season 8 late next year and then probably blood of my blood
01:31:51
right after that. That's what that's what I'm a
01:31:54
hope. Fingers crossed.
01:31:55
Now they want to release Season 8 earlier than November of next
01:32:00
year. I wouldn't be mad at that
01:32:02
either, especially since we don't know when we're getting
01:32:04
book 10. That's true.
01:32:07
So I, I, I, I I can't, right. But.
01:32:15
Let's see, is there anything else we need to talk about this
01:32:17
episode? I like the way that Jim and
01:32:19
Mandy were just like, oh, he's the knuckle bee.
01:32:21
He's not that bad. We like him.
01:32:24
Brandon was like, how did he get them on his side already?
01:32:28
Because Buck is not a bad guy. No, he's not.
01:32:31
So that's that's why they. I know.
01:32:37
Yeah. So.
01:32:38
OK, but yeah, I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need Roger.
01:32:40
And even though now I know they have no choice because their son
01:32:45
has been kidnapped, taken through the stones, I, but I
01:32:50
just, I need them to get their shit together.
01:32:53
I need them to be a little more cautious.
01:32:56
I need them to be a little more mindful about what they're
01:32:58
doing, what they're saying, what they're sharing with people.
01:33:02
And I mean, I, I get the whole thing about I get the whole
01:33:07
thing about the friendship with Rob Cameron because you can't
01:33:11
stay. You can't be too standoffish.
01:33:14
You can't be too protective in that sense.
01:33:16
Because if you come back to this time and you only surround
01:33:20
yourself with your wife and your husband and your kids and you
01:33:23
don't have friends aside from Fiona, you know, then people are
01:33:30
going to look at you like, what are you guys hiding?
01:33:33
So I can understand that part, but it's just, I need you to be
01:33:37
more cautious and more mindful of your surroundings and what's
01:33:42
going on and, and paying attention to how people are
01:33:47
behaving. Because again, if Buck can see
01:33:50
it, they should have been able to see it.
01:33:53
Especially Brianna, you, you're. Claire's daughter?
01:33:57
Yeah, you're suspicious. Of.
01:33:59
Everybody. But you know what?
01:34:02
Let's be honest, though. Was Claire like that when she
01:34:07
came home? No.
01:34:14
She wasn't even paying attention.
01:34:16
Well, let's do show only well, she wasn't even paying attention
01:34:20
to the man in the house, whether and maybe the stuff he got going
01:34:27
on, or the stuff he knew or did not know, or the stuff he had
01:34:30
into play in his study. She wasn't even again.
01:34:34
She was just being blissfully ignorant because.
01:34:40
So we're going to tell, we're going to say the same thing for
01:34:41
them because again, because where Claire came from, you
01:34:44
know, you shouldn't trust people around you either.
01:34:47
You never know. But she just you just want to
01:34:50
think positive about everyone and everything is good because
01:34:54
of what you came from. And that's we're going to say
01:34:56
that for them, OK, even though I totally agree with everything
01:34:59
you saying, but we're going to give them that.
01:35:03
OK, I'm going to try not to be so hard on them.
01:35:06
They adapted to the world around them.
01:35:09
They don't know stranger danger. OK, I'm a child to be a little
01:35:17
nicer, but. However, I'm still with you
01:35:20
again. You know the world you're coming
01:35:22
from. And even with that, you don't
01:35:24
know if you will encounter again other travelers or people who
01:35:29
have vengeance because you helped their relative actually
01:35:36
die. And you just never know.
01:35:37
And it was a story about this couple that traveled through
01:35:40
time. You just really don't know.
01:35:42
Yeah. The effect you have on others
01:35:45
around you and any travelers you really don't know.
01:35:52
Yeah. When the ghost daughter may pop
01:35:55
up. Yeah.
01:35:56
You just never. You just never know, so you have
01:35:59
to be, you have to be aware. And you already had someone
01:36:02
sneaking around your house even though it turned out to be your
01:36:05
own relative. He just may need to like lock
01:36:09
stuff up, right? You tell you telling your son
01:36:13
not to talk about it. Y'all need to not write about
01:36:15
it. How about that?
01:36:17
OK. So that's the.
01:36:18
So that's the other thing that I have the issue as far as the
01:36:23
being careless stuff about. So for weeks now your children
01:36:28
have been telling you about this Neklavi been telling you that
01:36:32
this this person threatened, you know them if they said anything
01:36:37
blah blah blah. And you find this man lurking
01:36:40
about your house even though you you realize who he is.
01:36:46
Why are you sending your kids outside to the camper by
01:36:49
themselves at night? Yeah, it's time to get ready to
01:36:54
go to bed. Can we watch TV?
01:36:55
Yeah, you can go watch a little bit of TV.
01:36:57
Go outside to the camper. Yeah.
01:37:00
I don't have no gates around. Lolly.
01:37:02
Lolly. Brock, you just found a stranger
01:37:08
again I and. And again, I I know 80s people.
01:37:12
No it's not even 80s. I feel like that is them.
01:37:16
That would have been them at any time period.
01:37:19
Also a little too interesting. They are.
01:37:23
And the only reason why they still alive is because of Jamie,
01:37:29
Ian and Claire. Jamie and Ian would have had a
01:37:36
trap set, you see, They would have been like, we've been to
01:37:39
find out what's going on, but they just like, oh, the kids
01:37:43
pretend. Or maybe somebody's out there.
01:37:45
Maybe go find out parents. Yeah.
01:37:50
You're right. You are so right.
01:37:52
No, they they, they are like that.
01:37:55
OK. We can, we can go back.
01:37:57
They are like that and I'm not saying they deserve the things
01:38:02
that happened to them, but they are a little bit more trusting.
01:38:07
And they should be. The and should be and put
01:38:10
themselves in situations that you wouldn't normally put
01:38:13
yourself in, right? To be honest, both of them,
01:38:18
yeah. OK, I think the only other two
01:38:22
things. That they would know because bad
01:38:24
things that happened to them. So I'm kind of confused about
01:38:26
why, but that's them. I know, I know.
01:38:32
There are only two other things I want to mention about this
01:38:35
episode, and they're both very superficial. 1 is I do not like
01:38:39
Brianna's 80s hair. I don't like it.
01:38:44
I don't like it. The second is I absolutely love
01:38:48
Roger in this blue kilt. Get up.
01:38:52
He looked good. You hear me?
01:38:56
Yes. That's all I have to say about
01:38:58
that. Oh, no.
01:38:59
Third thing, I would not have thought that a song about
01:39:08
witnessing somebody murder somebody would be a good song to
01:39:14
Make Love to and for that sex scene.
01:39:17
But in the air tonight, during that scene, I was like, this is
01:39:23
a weird Music Choice, but I'm not mad at it.
01:39:27
Oh, was it just? Me.
01:39:32
I didn't even look at it that way.
01:39:34
So now you're going to make me go back?
01:39:38
It's just something about the drums and about the the emotion
01:39:42
in the song now that I picked up and I but I wasn't thinking
01:39:45
about the meaning of the song. Oh, yeah.
01:39:48
Because I think that's, that's what that's what the rumor is
01:39:51
that the song was about. It was like supposed to be a man
01:39:55
who is. Yeah, I heard that rumor, but I
01:39:59
wasn't paying attention. I was just listening to the just
01:40:01
the music in in them. OK.
01:40:04
All right. I have to do that now.
01:40:06
OK. Yep.
01:40:08
Mm hmm. OK.
01:40:10
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01:40:15
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01:40:21
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