#outlander Claire gets a visit from a ghost from her past. Jamie's plans to sail for Scotland are put on hold when he gets conscripted to report to Fort Ticonderoga to lead the militia. William Ransom gets sent on a secret mission, but is delayed when an accident leaves him strander in the swamp. Ian's mission to treat with the Indians gets detoured when he comes across an injured William. In the 1980s, Roger and Brianna work on Lallybroch, while trying to adjust to their new circumstances.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle and we are discussing Outlander episode 4
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of season 7A Most Uncomfortable Woman.
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And let's go ahead and talk about that most uncomfortable
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woman, because I think that was the funniest part of the whole
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episode. Claire and Jamie are in town,
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she has gone to get supplies and someone bumps into her and she
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was like, excuse me, and it's Tom Christie.
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She's looking at him with surprise because she thinks he's
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already dead and he's looking at her with surprise and he plants
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a huge kiss on her face. And girl, I was like, I can't
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wait to hear what machine. But, and it was so it was it was
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just. It was hilarious to me because
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she did a great job acting that out because the look on her
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face, her facial expressions had me rolling.
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Oh my God, it was so funny because I was kind of looking
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the same same way too, because it was like he just.
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Planted a kiss on her and we had just talked about before about
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him not giving her a hug, you know when he risked his life and
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for her. But I was like, man, he was
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confused because I was like, what the heck?
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And then when he talks about the fact that he thought that she
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was. Dead because he had been told of
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the house fire, so it was. So he actually had put the the
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obituary in the paper once he found out.
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So that kind of narrows down. At least that tells us what year
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that obituary was written. Because he found out after the
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fire, months after the fire. Because, you know, when we last
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saw Tom Christie, he had surrendered himself confessing
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to his daughter's murder, which we now know he didn't commit.
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But he didn't know that at the time he confessed because he
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wanted to save Claire, because he was in love with her.
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So we're expecting that he's going to be, you know, hung,
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executed, whatever for murder. Turns out because he's an
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educated man and he was able to write, the governor started
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using him as a secretary. And then because of everything
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that's going on, he ended up being free let go.
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And that's how he came to be walking around.
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But it was so funny because for him to be able to express that
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and then it's like he really was looking like, Okay, yes, I just
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did this and I have no regrets at all.
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He was like, also, your husband is alive too.
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Oh Okay. And he's just still sitting
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there, just looking at her like she's here.
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You're right, he just wasn't excited that she was alive.
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But it was. At first.
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I also thought okay. Is this a dream?
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It's clear having a dream. But then when I realized it was
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real, I'm like this being really planted that big one on her.
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And she's still looking like she was.
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Like, he's lucky Jamie didn't come out of somewhere and see
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that. But it's playing in the
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background right now. Her face, she's just looking
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like, what the hell just happened?
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He was like, oh, I beg your pardon, but he still looked like
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I don't regret it at all. Like, this is a man who was in
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love with a woman who was clearly in love with another
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man. He probably thought he'd never
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get the opportunity to kiss her. So now that he has, he's
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probably like okay. You know what?
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I don't regret that at all. Yes, I'm happy you're alive, but
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I don't regret that at all. But you know, I always, I always
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wondered how they were going to do that, especially with the way
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that they they kind of sort of tied off his story couple of
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episodes ago. But remember I was saying that
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there was something she had said in an episode, and I think it
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was during her voice over with, she said it seemed like Tom
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Christie was dead or something like that.
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And I was like, hmm, something tells me they're going to bring
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him back. I don't think he's not reading
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them out yet, so I'm glad because again, we talked about a
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few episodes ago with the start of the 7th season, how it looked
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like they are actually tying off some of these storylines and not
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letting them stay open, not letting them linger.
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So I'm glad that he was able to come back and she and him were
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able to have an actual conversation and he was able to
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confess how he felt to her, like not in in the moment now,
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because there's no danger. So you can actually be very
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frank about your feelings, but you can put it all out there.
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She can put what she has to say out there.
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And you have closure for both, you know, for both characters.
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And then he's now up, he's gone. And now I think we're finished
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with seeing him because I don't think bookwise I don't recall
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him playing another, you know, any other part in their story.
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But of course, I've only gotten to a certain point.
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But. I don't think, I don't recall
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hearing him being involved in anything.
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So I think now we are finally done with the Christie story.
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And even though the story for out, Allen and Malva didn't end
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in a favorable way for either of them, I'm glad that at least for
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Tom. He has some kind of peace now, I
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feel like, you know. Yes, yes.
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I'm. I don't know why, why I'm saying
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this when I wanted that man to fall off a horse and die.
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OK, So I am glad that he is alive and hopefully he can make
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a few changes about his judgment of other people.
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However, he was going to sacrifice himself knowing that
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he didn't commit the crime, but knowing that Claire didn't
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commit the crime so. He gets a pass and I'm glad he's
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not going to have to die for. And he got him, He got his one
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kiss. That's going to, you know, take
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him to his grade, take him through everything.
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Yes, it's going to sustain. Him.
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I mean, he just looks so light. Sitting at that table with her,
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He's just seems so light and you know, happy, right?
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But here's the thing. So this was the thing that was
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interesting to me about what he told her when they discussed the
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fire and everything. So he says someone from Fraser's
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Ridge gave him the news of the fire.
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I'm like, so I realized everyone from Fraser's Ridge didn't come
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to the big house to help with the, you know, help put out
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fire. But it makes no sense that
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someone would give him the news and make him think that Claire
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and Jamie are dead when they clearly wasn't dead.
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You know, like literally they sat there and tried to put the
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fire out. They were there.
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It it had to be someone who wasn't there that heard about
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the fire and just assumed that they were dead.
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But you would think if even if that's the case, that fire would
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have been a top a topic of gossip.
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So you would think that somebody else in phrases Ridge if he
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would have said, oh you you know, you know Mr. Fraser, Miss
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Miss Fraser are died you know are dead and somebody else would
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be like, no they're not dead because I mean they had a whole
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funeral for Mrs. Bug where they both were there, she sang, the
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profession is professional. So it's like, why would someone
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say? Or maybe that was just what he
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interpreted once they said, oh, it was a big fire the house.
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Burnt and he didn't ask any questions.
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And then the person wasn't giving any extra details about
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it because it could be someone who heard about the fire, but
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who's from Fraser Ridge, who then told him and didn't give
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him any details and he just assumed that they were dead.
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Yeah, that. Because other than that, it
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doesn't make sense. Because he's not a talkative
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man. So he's not going to get into
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the meat of things and say, well, who was there and what
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happened and the big house burned down And then for him to
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place an obituary, he could have placed that obituary anywhere.
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And if he didn't go back to Fraser's Ridge, which he said he
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did not do, you know, he. I guess that would be the the
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thing for him. If he had gone back to Fraser's
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Ridge, someone would have told him that Jamie and Claire were a
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lot. You know, Lizzie could have told
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him, one of the twins could have told him, you know, somebody
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would would have been there to be like, I don't know, they're
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they're okay. But he didn't go back to the
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Ridge because his family is not there.
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You know, I doubt that she told him about Alan and what he
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confessed, because then she would have to like answer where
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he is. So I think she probably just.
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Let no. And then you you do you really
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want to tell a father what the son did even done to even though
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it's not your daughter? But do you really want to to get
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to his sister? No.
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No, that's not a conversation I would want to have.
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And especially when this man is sitting across from you.
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Happy, right? Yeah.
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Just let him, let him have his happiness and let him go
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wherever it is he's going to go now because he's obviously not
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going back to Fraser's Ridge now.
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Like, I don't think because. Because you know that he knows
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that Claire is going to tell Jamie about what happened.
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And even though he did it spur of the moment, not meaning any
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disrespect. I don't think he will go back to
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the Ridge just because when and if Jamie and Claire ever go
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back, he wouldn't want to have to look at Jamie in the face.
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And The thing is, Jamie just going to look at them, look at
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him with sympathy, because that's how he feels.
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Even when she said, you know, did you tell him how I felt?
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You know, about your what night he's like, yeah, but he
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understands how you know, about loving me so.
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And then he thought it was funny.
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See, because he's secure. Secure in this relationship.
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You can tell because he will make it, You know, making jokes
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on her. But then she wouldn't ask the
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question, Did you like it? Well, honey, did you like it or
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not? Because you you won't answer my
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question. No, okay.
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Because if not, I will have to feel some type of way about it.
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But, but, you know, you kind of have to wonder because after
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they're having that conversation, that's when she
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and Jamie finally get down to the nittygritty.
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And I was laughing the whole time I was watching this scene
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because when we had the conversation in the last episode
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and you were talking about the lack of intimate, like physical,
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intimate between them, I had to kind of like I had to fumble
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around for an answer because I couldn't tell you that was
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coming up because you hadn't seen the episode yet.
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So I was like, well, you know, with Jamie and and Claire, we
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don't really need to see the physical intimacy to know how
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close they are. And I was like but we get it all
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in the next. Yes, we did.
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Cuz is this where? Yeah, cuz you know, he was
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feeling some type of like ooh another man want my wife.
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Is this where he start talking about all the the things that
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she has done to him? Yes, I think, I think this is.
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Yeah, yeah. Because it was one of the, yeah,
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it was one of those like. Yeah, you had a knife to me one
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time. Yes, Yes.
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So when when he's saying all of that, I was just like, yeah,
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there, there's no, there's no dampening of the physical
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attraction there between them. But I love their scenes because
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you have some of their intimacy scenes where they are so
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serious. And then you have the ones like
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these that are so silly but still so serious.
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I was like, yeah, OK, well, we do get to see that they can
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still enjoy those types of things at their age.
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Oh, and I did look it up. So technically speaking, Claire
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is 61 at this time because when she first went back to 19,
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excuse me, 1743, she was 27 years old.
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So. If you do math around this time,
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depending on what year this is, I think this is this should be
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around I think 77. She should be 61.
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So we do get to see at 61 and Jamie that will make Jamie 57.
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Thank you. Still have a little fun.
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Right. And then he he reminded us when
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the lady has said she'll come into her full power with when
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she has a hair full of white hair.
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So he's like, what's to come? Yes, this is the scene when he
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talked about you clawing me. You had a knife to me.
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I'm like, you know what? I love it.
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Y'all like, y'all like that that that that rough.
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Stuff right? You stab me once, but oh, when
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he was talking about you stabbed me in the butt with one of your
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what was this syringe? She was like what you deserved.
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But I you know it's it's nice to see them have some
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lightheartedness. Yeah, it is, that's what.
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Really. Yeah.
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Because this episode is not necessarily, I I won't say it's
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a rough episode, but, you know, they're in the process of trying
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to get to Scotland. They stop into a town to pick up
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supplies and they see Mr. I think it's his, His name is
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Hartnett from the Sons of Liberty.
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And he sees Jamie and you know, he starts talking to Jamie
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about, oh, are you here to join the cause?
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And Jamie is like, no, my wife and I have some personal
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business to attend in Scotland. I do plan on joining the war
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effort, you know, once I come back.
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But we have to do that. Let's do basically forces Jamie
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to sign up to lead militia for this war.
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Talking about, Oh well, I think your personal business in
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Scotland can wait. Who asked you for an emergency?
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It's already bad enough that by boat it's going to take them
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months to get to Scotland. You got the nerve to say, oh,
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your personal business can wait. How do you know?
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Why? You don't know what I'm doing,
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girl. I was so mad.
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And then like Jamie said, he was like, I saved your life.
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You saved my life. So I can fight another day.
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Well, today is that day. Today is that day for you.
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So you can fight another day, say, about wanting to.
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Fight why? I'm going back home.
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I was so mad when they I was like, you know what I said?
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Y'all going to learn at some point y'all are going to stop
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trying to force Jamie Fraser to do shit because one of these
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days is going to bite you in the ass.
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Because now he knows you don't have no loyalty to him.
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You want him because you know who he is.
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You know he can command people. You know, he's one of those men
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that can get people to come on his side and to fight.
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When you're using him for that purpose, which, yeah, y'all
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going to war, you need people. I understand that.
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But even to the point where you're like, almost blackmailing
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him. Oh okay.
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Well, if you're not going to do this, I can conscript somebody
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else to come in your place. So who's going to come in your
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place? You.
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I was so mad. I was like, I want to leave
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that. Yeah.
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I was too, because I'm like, oh, here we go.
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So he not going home. He is not going home.
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Oh no. Even though at the end I was
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like, well, I see possibilities for Ian, but we'll talk about
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that in a minute. So, but yeah, I was like, OK,
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here we go back into the war again, right?
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And then not only just him, but of course Claire is like, OK,
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well. She ain't going nowhere.
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Yeah, Y'all are going to need doctors.
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So I'll join you. And then Ian is like, yeah, so
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I'm going to join too. And Jamie was like, no, I
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promise your mother, I was going to bring you home.
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You need to go home. And Ian is like this.
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I love this land. I want to fight for it.
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Because if you think about it, Ian has probably spent just as
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much time in the Americas. Yes, he has in Scotland.
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I don't remember exactly at this point how many years it's been,
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but let's see, I would assume Jeremiah is at this point.
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He's probably like 8-9 maybe because Mandy looks like she
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could be about four ish. Was that they?
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They were talking about her going to school, so she's got to
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be about 5. Maybe so.
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Yeah. Even is probably been in the
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Americas for almost as long as he was in Scotland.
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And you gotta remember he has emotional tide to the place.
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So you know his first wife, you know, that didn't work out.
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His child is buried there. Buried here, so you know, right?
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He's a part of the land, so for him this is home too.
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And he's not going to leave his aunt and uncle.
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He's not going to leave Jamie. Like him and Jamie are bound for
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life. And I, you know, I love, I love
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the part in this episode where, you know, at the beginning of
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the episode we start out with Roger and Brianna at Lallybrock.
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They've been there for two years now and they've been renovating
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it. And when they're talking to the
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contractor, the contractor is like, I'm, I'm glad you guys are
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trying to keep the original this, that and the other.
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He was like, but Are you sure you're not going to let me patch
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that slash at the top of the stairs?
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You know, because it looks unsightly and it's the slash
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where the British soldiers came through the house the day that
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Ian was born, looking for who You remember, Fergus shot off
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the gun. So they were looking for the gun
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and they were going through the house and they were just being
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assholes because they are. And they slashed that portrait
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up there. I was like, that's a cute little
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throwback, because that was when Ian was born.
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Jamie had him in his arms in that bedroom across the way,
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trying to make sure that the British didn't find him because
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he was. The Dunbonne at the time, and he
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was wanted. So I was like, I like the way
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that they kind of tired Jamie and Ian's past to Brianna and
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Rogers, present or future, however you want to look at.
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I like the fact that you have those little ties that that bind
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them, even though Brianna and Roger are completely in.
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Different time. But I love it too, because it's
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like everything that happens, I'm like, how does it relate?
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So just like that little, you know, in the opening credits,
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you know, they always show scenes from episodes.
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They showed the thing about the desk, you know, where somebody
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was pulling the covers off the desk.
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So I was like, OK, So what desk is that?
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I'm trying to remember if there was a desk that was in the first
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season or in maybe, let's see, not the first scene.
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Yeah, yeah, Jamie did go back to Scotland.
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Was that the first season or no, wait, no, it was.
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So I was trying to figure out, I was like, OK, so this desk is
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going to be important at some point, but I like again seeing
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how that, how that's going to tie together because even though
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they have the chest from Jamie and Claire.
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We haven't really seen them mess with it.
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We definitely didn't see them mess with this episode.
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No, just the he just had the mud.
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That's all he had. And he was like, rubbing it and
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was like, yeah, why is this coming out?
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He was like, oh wait, this is good.
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Gold. Yes.
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And then here we go again. I knew you was about to say that
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when they did that in the episode when he was talking
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about the gold and he showed it to Brianna.
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And she was like, or he was like, Do you think we should ask
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Jeremiah? And again I said go ask your
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child. He's getting too old for this.
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I know. Because my time, he's 16.
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You'll be like, I don't even know what you're talking about
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anymore. I can't even find it for you.
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I kind of feel like Jimmy, even though he's living in this time
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now, I feel like he's still holding on to, like, the
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memories of. His and he is.
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I don't. I don't think it all, but still
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ask him now because he could, he could show you a little bit
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better when y'all go where the gold is.
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This is true because yes, because you're in the they're in
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the 1980s now there. So of course things will have
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changed because even when they, when they came through the
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stones at Ocracoke, you know, Ocracoke and the past had all of
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the trees, it was a full river. And then when they came through
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the stones and they were walking, the river had all but
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dried up. So we don't know what else.
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What other changes have happened in that part of North Carolina
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been stuff torn down, construction.
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I know there's not too much you're going to do to get rid of
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a cave. But it's not much, and it
00:23:22
depends on what area is if it's a hike.
00:23:26
They'll be okay, but there's a subdivision somewhere around
00:23:28
there or some, you know, cabins, you know, like how we go to the
00:23:35
cabins. But that's it.
00:23:37
Yeah, but it's. But the landscape around it is
00:23:40
going to change. So it should be different for
00:23:43
him. He won't know like.
00:23:45
He won't know Like, Oh my goodness, this is so.
00:23:48
Ask the child. Don't think about it.
00:23:54
When I saw it, I said, oh, Michelle's going to be like,
00:23:56
yes, ask him, Yes, I'm thinking, oh, this is where they going to
00:23:59
call him in. You're worried about some
00:24:02
biscuits missing? No.
00:24:05
Let's find out about this gold Okay.
00:24:08
And so that's the other thing, because Jimmy is talking about
00:24:11
this knucklevee and he says that they've been seeing someone or
00:24:17
something, and this thing threatened to hurt Mandy if he
00:24:22
said anything about it. And I was like, so in the books
00:24:26
when I was reading, I was up to the part about the knucklevee.
00:24:30
And that's what I was talking to you about when I said there's
00:24:32
something going on with Jimmy and Mandy keep coming across
00:24:36
like a spirit or a person there. But I never found out who or
00:24:41
what that thing was. I didn't get that far.
00:24:44
So now we're at a point in the show where I'm complete.
00:24:46
Like I have no idea what's going on completely.
00:24:50
So I'm here, yeah. I I don't, I'm, I don't know if
00:24:53
it's a spirit or a person. I'm feeling like if he eating a
00:24:57
biscuits or she eating a biscuits, it has to be a yeah,
00:25:01
that'd be a physical being, but I'm like.
00:25:03
Because the Spirit is not going to want to eat to crisp and
00:25:08
biscuits with honey. But it does call the question
00:25:14
who, Yeah, like who? Like, is this somebody who has
00:25:18
ties to Jamie's family, or is it somebody who has ties to Roger?
00:25:24
Could it be a, could it be another traveler who knows about
00:25:27
them? And it's like, I don't.
00:25:30
I don't. Know it's like I'm not wanted to
00:25:32
be one of those three things, though.
00:25:33
I don't want it to be like a complete stranger that has no
00:25:36
point. No, I wanted it to be some
00:25:41
someone connected to the family. It has to be.
00:25:48
It will be real. I'll take a traveler.
00:25:52
I'll take a relative. See, I thought at first I was
00:25:58
like, maybe it could be like one of them traveling through
00:26:05
through time or whatever. You know, like, you know how you
00:26:08
see sometimes you'll see somebody seeing a version of
00:26:11
themselves. But even if it was, let's say,
00:26:15
Roger traveling back from some other time or whatever, I don't
00:26:21
think that he would threaten the.
00:26:23
No, he wouldn't have. Not him.
00:26:26
No. So I definitely don't think it
00:26:29
would be Bree or Claire, because.
00:26:32
But you know what? Roger would do it if he's
00:26:34
thinking about. See this is where other time
00:26:36
travel movies. Played in my head about the
00:26:40
paradox and you don't want the paradox to happen.
00:26:43
So the only way for the kids not to say daddy is you eating the
00:26:48
biscuits is the threatening and say don't say anything about me
00:26:52
because but. I don't.
00:26:53
But it's not. It's not Roger.
00:26:55
It's not Roger. He wouldn't say I'll hurt Mandy.
00:27:00
If you say something, he wouldn't do that.
00:27:02
And then like, like you said, Jim would recognize if it was
00:27:05
his father, right? That's what I'm saying.
00:27:07
So it it, it can't be the immediate family.
00:27:10
So it has to be like a relative because at this point and you
00:27:14
will be able to help me. So where is Jamie sister's kids
00:27:18
besides Ian? Like, where's their great
00:27:21
grandkids? Like, where are the rest of the
00:27:23
family? Are they spread out?
00:27:26
I mean, I don't know. Do they talk about in the books
00:27:29
at all? Not that I know I haven't
00:27:31
gotten. That like, where where they are,
00:27:34
Like, are they in America or moved?
00:27:38
Yeah, because you got to think like, well, so I remember back
00:27:46
in season two or three had to be two.
00:27:54
It was before. It was before Jamie sent Claire
00:27:57
back. He signed the deed.
00:28:03
Matter of fact, was it Ian that he signed the deed over to you
00:28:10
Remember, right before, right before the Battle of Culloden,
00:28:15
Jamie and Claire went to sign over the deed of Lallybrock.
00:28:18
That way, when he died, Lallybrock would stay safe.
00:28:23
Or I think it was before. He did.
00:28:26
I remember it. But who I think it was in, I'm
00:28:31
thinking. So if that was the case, Ian's
00:28:37
children, if they did go back to Scotland, if he had children, we
00:28:42
don't know what's going on. We do know that there's a little
00:28:44
flirtation with him and Miss Hunter, but is that enough to
00:28:48
result in a marriage? And if so, if Ian decided to go
00:28:51
back to Scotland, would she have gone with him?
00:28:54
I have no idea about these, right?
00:28:55
We have no idea. So that's just that's the hard
00:28:58
part. So I I would, I would probably
00:29:01
say it's safe to say that maybe just throughout the generations,
00:29:06
Jamie's family scattered. Just kind of scattered and I
00:29:11
hate that. Just, I guess just kind of got
00:29:15
left by the wayside until Roger and Rihanna.
00:29:18
Got it for it. But I I don't know.
00:29:24
You know, at first I thought I was like okay, maybe it's when
00:29:26
to go down or coming back like, but I was like, no, he wouldn't
00:29:30
have known about Lally Brock. Because it has to be, right.
00:29:35
I don't know who it could be to sit there.
00:29:38
And obviously he's been coming more than once for, you know,
00:29:42
Jimmy to mention it. This is not just a one time
00:29:46
thing like, oh, the knuckle, the knuckle of V you know, we saw
00:29:51
one one time. I don't think.
00:29:53
I think it's a recurring thing, or at least it was in the books
00:29:56
where it was somebody who was coming regularly.
00:30:00
But I think Roger and Brianna thought that Jim was just kind
00:30:07
of making it up at first, because of course he missed
00:30:10
everything. And he couldn't talk about, you
00:30:13
know, granddad. Yeah, so, so, I don't know, but
00:30:19
it's like I'm trying to speculate and just from what we
00:30:24
know about time travel and the people that we know, I feel like
00:30:29
I was like okay. So can't be clear.
00:30:31
It's not Brianna, it's not Roger.
00:30:33
Those three? Definitely not aside from Galas
00:30:39
Duncan. I mean, it could be one of her
00:30:43
other descendants, because Roger is a descendant of hers.
00:30:48
So you know, but I I don't know. What if it's or or it could be
00:30:53
Roger's dad. Oh, that's a good theory.
00:31:00
Could be, it could be. I still don't.
00:31:03
Because you said that he was. He's missing.
00:31:06
But we're figuring out what? Did they actually say where he
00:31:09
is? In the books, like is he in the
00:31:14
stones or is he missing? Like I think far as Roger knows,
00:31:18
his father died, but I don't think I don't.
00:31:23
I don't recall the details on that, like whether or not they
00:31:26
ever found him or whether he was trapped in the stones.
00:31:32
I do remember that there. Was I hear a lot about Trapped
00:31:35
in the stones. So I'm like, well, maybe he's
00:31:37
out of the stones. Could be.
00:31:40
I still don't know if I feel like he would say I will hurt
00:31:42
your sister. I will hurt her if you say
00:31:45
anything about me, especially if he's figuring out that this is
00:31:48
his family. But again, the other thing is if
00:31:52
it's Rogers father, unless he followed them from the Wakefield
00:31:57
residence to Lally Brock, I don't see why he would be there
00:32:01
at Lallybrock because he wouldn't know of Rogers
00:32:04
connection to. Lally, no.
00:32:05
But he could have followed, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:07
He could have followed them, yeah.
00:32:09
And that's another thing too. I was like, how far is the
00:32:12
Wakefield residence from Lallybrock?
00:32:16
Because for them to be staying in a caravan in front of
00:32:19
Lallybrock for two years while it's being renovated, I was
00:32:22
like, look, we can go stay at the.
00:32:28
I think it's. I think it's far.
00:32:30
Yeah, it was like a day trip. I think it's far, Yeah, yeah, I
00:32:35
know that. But the caravan look nice.
00:32:37
I mean, they got a decoration on the outside.
00:32:39
So I'm like, OK, so it's taking some time to really make years
00:32:42
though you're in in that little thing with little kids, first of
00:32:47
all. But land?
00:32:49
Look at the land. Once we go outside, it's like
00:32:52
the people who live in RV's. We just going to go to sleep in
00:32:55
there and when it rains and but you are a young married couple
00:33:02
there's like how do you find private.
00:33:06
Time you go to the house and lay a blanket down when the kids are
00:33:11
sleeping. They've been, they were out,
00:33:14
they've been outside a lot of times and in that house, in the
00:33:18
one room that's renovated. The first room was the kitchen,
00:33:24
so they probably not all over that kitchen.
00:33:29
Look his office. Look good.
00:33:31
Stay in that office, too, on the desk.
00:33:34
That office looks good. Right in the chair, though, to
00:33:38
think about this is supposed to be Lolly Brock.
00:33:41
And the sea is so, you know, for those times modernized.
00:33:46
It's just it's really weird because I'm sitting there trying
00:33:49
to imagine, like, you remember seeing Lally Brock earlier on
00:33:55
and I was just like, OK, so where are where were those
00:33:58
stairs supposed to be? And I know that was where he
00:34:00
brought them in to talk to them. So it was so weird to see no
00:34:04
stone, no floors, all of that. And it's like just trying to
00:34:08
imagine Jenny coming down those stairs pregnant and standing by
00:34:12
the fireplace. It was.
00:34:13
It's so strange to think about it like that and to see it the
00:34:17
way it is now. You know, oh, look, remember
00:34:21
that secret room in the pantry? That's still that works, yes,
00:34:30
because that's the place where Jimmy locked Amanda, right?
00:34:36
So they got, they got plenty of, they got plenty of spaces.
00:34:39
This is true, but I'm sorry, plenty of spaces I'm not.
00:34:43
I'm not trying to have relations on a stone floor.
00:34:47
That's just that can't be comfortable.
00:34:50
They have. No.
00:34:51
Well, now it's not. I didn't say they were laying,
00:34:56
but okay, we're going to leave Brianna a little bit because we
00:35:02
got some other Well, no, let's go.
00:35:03
Let's. I I loved how she got her job.
00:35:07
Oh, yes, Okay, Yes. Let's go ahead and talk about
00:35:09
that and then we'll go back to the other interesting stuff.
00:35:13
Yeah, I love how she got her job.
00:35:16
She's definitely her mother's daughter.
00:35:18
Yeah, she is. And it really did take Roger a
00:35:22
minute to understand. Honey, we're not back in the
00:35:26
day. I need you to be a little bit
00:35:29
more present. You know, I'm an independent
00:35:31
woman. I'm going to go to work.
00:35:34
Yeah. And I don't, you know, it's it's
00:35:38
strange seeing it that way, but I think a lot of that for Roger,
00:35:43
if you think about it, when he first went back in time for her,
00:35:48
he had some of the same struggles because he couldn't
00:35:51
really do what he had been doing back in the past because how do
00:35:57
you go from teaching history to teaching current?
00:36:02
Current affairs, current events without kind of overseeing.
00:36:08
And then, you know, then he got conscripted into to the war.
00:36:13
And it's like all of that stuff that he learned during the times
00:36:16
when he should have been building a career for himself.
00:36:19
Now that he's back here, it's like.
00:36:22
What I do, he's writing, he's writing.
00:36:26
But he did say, and it's fine, I I I feel like sometimes we give
00:36:31
people a hard time, sometimes when they say that they a little
00:36:34
a touch, he said. I'm a bit oldfashed.
00:36:37
Yeah, because you can integrate those two.
00:36:39
He's a little oldfashioned. That's Okay.
00:36:41
He just wanted his. He just feels like he should be
00:36:44
able to support them. But it's Okay, honey.
00:36:47
But the other you'll find the gold and you can't support it.
00:36:51
But I think that the kind of double meaning behind that I'm
00:36:55
oldfashioned. Roger was a modern guy and he
00:36:59
went backwards to 200 years and he had to live amongst men in
00:37:05
that time. And even though, yes, Brianna
00:37:07
was still a little more independent than the women of
00:37:10
that time, he still had not necessarily an image, He still
00:37:16
had responsibilities and he still had expectations that he
00:37:20
was expected to maintain for that time period.
00:37:24
And so I think. And this one too.
00:37:27
And this one. And this one too, because we're
00:37:30
not like it's current, we're not in the present.
00:37:33
So you got to go back to where they are.
00:37:35
And he should be supporting his, you know, family.
00:37:39
But he, he has a highly, highly strong, independent woman.
00:37:45
He does. But also how do you support them
00:37:48
when the one thing you were so confident about doing your faith
00:37:54
has now been shaken? So it's kind of like you're
00:37:59
coming back to this thing probably like close to your 30s
00:38:02
now, if he's not already 30, or maybe a little bit older than
00:38:06
that. And Oh yeah, cuz Claire, 61.
00:38:10
That means they are close to 40 now, but you have to come back
00:38:14
to a time and now you have to read.
00:38:18
You have to figure out who you are again, because you have to.
00:38:23
Be a pastor, being a pastor, and now your face is taken because
00:38:26
you're like, hey, if God, if God existed, if God was in control,
00:38:31
then how were we able to do this?
00:38:32
How were we able to change the the past so that your parents
00:38:37
survived? And because they have no clue
00:38:40
that the obituary was placed in error, so technically speaking
00:38:46
they they probably didn't change anything.
00:38:51
You know, you didn't think about that, knowing that.
00:38:53
No, Roger has no way of knowing that, so.
00:38:57
It's But honestly, they they didn't change it.
00:38:59
It was always going to happen this way.
00:39:01
That's the whole that's the whole problem with time travel.
00:39:03
It was always going to happen this way.
00:39:06
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but they don't get they
00:39:09
don't know that because one, they didn't know what date the
00:39:14
the obituary was. They just read.
00:39:16
They just remember that Jamie and Claire died in the fire.
00:39:20
Well, the fire happened and they didn't die, so he's just
00:39:23
automatically assuming, oh hey, we changed it.
00:39:27
You know, not realize. Oh, the obituary was actually
00:39:30
placed after the fire, because someone else thought that.
00:39:34
They were dead. Yeah, so.
00:39:37
And you are always going to go back and Brianna was always
00:39:40
going to make that match. And she shouldn't have made and
00:39:47
clear was in the car and the airplane.
00:39:50
But that's another day or time. Yeah, we'll talk about that in
00:39:53
another. But yeah, so if it, I don't
00:39:57
know, Roger's going to have to figure some stuff out.
00:39:59
Like he probably could go back to teaching.
00:40:02
But he won. He's been gone for so long, he's
00:40:05
probably going to have to go back to school, at least for a
00:40:08
little bit. He's going to have to, you know,
00:40:11
again, they've been back for roughly 2 years, maybe close to
00:40:15
three years at this point. But still, is that enough time
00:40:18
for you to catch up on everything and then fall back
00:40:21
into the role that you were in before you left?
00:40:25
You have a whole different set of life experience now than when
00:40:29
you were here before. And it's kind of like, how do
00:40:34
you, how do you go and teach what you're supposed to teach
00:40:39
when you have insider knowledge of other things that happen that
00:40:44
may not be public knowledge that may not be in the history books?
00:40:49
How do you go and and integrate what you know with what you're
00:40:55
supposed to teach and still when keep yourself safe?
00:41:02
Because of course, if you start saying some things that you may
00:41:05
not need to be saying, people are going to start looking at
00:41:07
you like OK, something is. Wrong.
00:41:09
Yeah, we had to commit him. Yeah.
00:41:14
So it's one of those things where I guess Roger's going to
00:41:16
have to figure it out. But in the meantime, Brianna
00:41:21
knows what she wants to do. She's been knowing what she
00:41:24
wanted to do. And even when she was at The
00:41:26
Ridge, she was doing those things, you know, she was trying
00:41:30
to figure out how to do like not necessarily indoor plumbing but
00:41:35
you know, try to figure out a way to get them water and to do
00:41:38
this and to do that. So this is kind of right up her
00:41:43
alley. But yeah, let's talk about the
00:41:47
that interview, because when it happens, when she said she had a
00:41:51
job interview and she was sitting there and the guy was
00:41:54
sitting there eating the sandwich and what did he say?
00:41:58
If you could, don't you want to go get us some coffee?
00:42:01
If you could, if you could follow those directions, you're
00:42:04
going to do good here. I was like whatever job she's
00:42:07
applying for, I don't. I don't see that.
00:42:09
Working out at all because of the way that he was talking to
00:42:13
her and then when she was looking at the cafeteria lady,
00:42:16
like, Can you believe this, the cafeteria lady is looking at her
00:42:19
like this is this is what happens.
00:42:22
This is normal. Like, she wasn't bothered by it.
00:42:27
And then when Breanna sits down and she gives him her resume and
00:42:30
she was like, so here are my qualifications.
00:42:34
I've studied this, I've done this, I've done this work and
00:42:37
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was looking at her.
00:42:39
He was like, hold up. I think there's a
00:42:41
misunderstanding. We're needing the secretary.
00:42:43
She was like, okay. That's all well and good, but
00:42:47
that's. Not what I'm applying for.
00:42:49
That's not what I'm here for. I'm here for the plan inspector
00:42:52
position. It's like, but you can't do
00:42:57
that, you're a woman, she said. And the way that she said,
00:43:03
because it was like she was, she was confident of what she was
00:43:07
going to ask, But at the same time, I think she was trying to
00:43:10
figure out, OK, is this the right thing for me to do?
00:43:13
Like she was kind of, I don't want to say hesitant, but it's
00:43:16
like she's trying to, she's trying to be tactful, but she's
00:43:21
also trying to say you're not about to push me away.
00:43:25
And it just came across she was like, So what part of this job
00:43:31
requires you to have a penis? And the guy was like.
00:43:34
Like, did she just say that to me?
00:43:36
He was looking around like, did anybody else hear her saying?
00:43:40
And then he was like, that's it's a rough job.
00:43:43
You know and then and she she did it with look at her face.
00:43:46
Like, I'm really asking you because like maybe I read the
00:43:50
description of the job wrong. Like, what requires you to have,
00:43:54
right? Like this is not rhetorical.
00:43:56
And he was like, oh, this job is rough and you know, the guys or
00:44:01
blah, blah, blah. She was like, so you mean to
00:44:04
tell me that you hire, you hire guys that will assault with.
00:44:07
And he was like, no, no, But I was like she is definitely her
00:44:11
mother's daughter because she is just telling him and he's just
00:44:15
looking so uncomfortable. Like everything that he's saying
00:44:19
she's rebutting. And then she was like, oh, OK,
00:44:22
so while we're here, let me tell you that I saw you had water
00:44:26
coming out the spillway over the dam.
00:44:29
And it should be doing this and it should be doing that.
00:44:31
And that means that this is wrong and blah, blah, blah,
00:44:33
blah, blah. And, you know, if you give me a
00:44:35
moment, I can tell you what's wrong with it.
00:44:38
I can tell you how to fix it efficiently.
00:44:40
And you know, he was just looking at her like, what else
00:44:46
can I say? Clear.
00:44:48
Do you need to give her the job, right?
00:44:50
Because after all of that, she's clearly proven that she knows
00:44:55
what she's doing. And.
00:44:57
She can handle the men. We'll see.
00:45:01
We'll see. But I mean, for now, she can
00:45:04
handle him. Right.
00:45:06
But I'm. I'm kind of feeling like you she
00:45:09
can handle the men, if you can handle the men back in, back in
00:45:12
the day. This is so you know what I'm
00:45:15
saying? So like, honey, I've been
00:45:17
through a lot. I can handle this job but.
00:45:24
They're not going to scare me off.
00:45:26
No, they're not. But she didn't even have that
00:45:29
problem back. Well, I will say this too.
00:45:33
Aside from Stephen Bonnet, nobody really messed with her
00:45:37
like that. No, because she had a lot of
00:45:40
confidence beforehand. I mean, we can say all we want
00:45:45
to say about her dad. But he did a lot with her, you
00:45:50
know what I'm saying? So I guess like you said, he
00:45:53
knew that she was going to go back because he he prepared.
00:45:58
I don't feel like she prepared it because I'm going to be
00:46:01
honest with you. We can we can all disagree or
00:46:04
agree. I don't know how it's written in
00:46:05
the books. I don't feel like she was really
00:46:07
close to her mom until after the truth came out.
00:46:11
Yeah, we, yeah, we talked about that.
00:46:13
We thought, OK, so we're all clear on their relationship was.
00:46:16
Exchange. So she's like her mother.
00:46:19
She's like her mother. She's already was strong.
00:46:22
But her dad also like continued to Foster and encourage that.
00:46:27
Yeah. So because, I mean Claire, like
00:46:31
I said a couple of episodes ago, she could only, I feel like
00:46:36
there was that wall between her and Brianna.
00:46:38
Because of course, one you look at Brianna, you see Jamie, and
00:46:43
this is somebody that you loved so desperately, so deeply, so,
00:46:46
like completely. And you can't even talk about it
00:46:51
because of the agreement you made with Frank?
00:46:54
So then I feel like not only because she looked like Jamie,
00:47:00
but also because she may have been compelled to tell Brianna
00:47:04
the truth at any moment. And so instead of doing that,
00:47:07
she's just like, OK, you know what?
00:47:10
And I don't think it's something she did.
00:47:12
No. And and then input and then
00:47:14
pursuing her career, she just, she just went full steam ahead
00:47:20
too, you know what I'm saying? And she knew she was being taken
00:47:23
care of with Frank. I don't think it was purpose,
00:47:25
but you know she just had a little distance with her
00:47:27
daughter and that happens. So I think in a in a sense that
00:47:32
also made Brianna tougher too, you know, because she did have
00:47:37
to kind of stand up for herself in a lot of things.
00:47:40
And then you go 200 years into the past and you have a father
00:47:46
like Jamie Fraser who's going to, one, also teach you about
00:47:51
what you need to survive back then.
00:47:53
And two, is not going to let anybody touch her, you know?
00:48:00
And then she had Roger as well. So, yeah, what was it Roger
00:48:05
said, He said, I'm not worried about you.
00:48:07
I'm. I'm worried about the men that
00:48:09
you're going to be working for because they don't know what
00:48:11
that they don't know what they have coming.
00:48:15
They don't because they think, oh, this she a regular woman.
00:48:21
And she's probably, she's probably going to be smaller
00:48:24
than the rest of them. Like they'll probably have some
00:48:27
big dudes working and then she's going to be this little thing
00:48:31
and they're going to be like, are we supposed to take orders
00:48:33
from her? No, because, you know, that's
00:48:35
how it is, especially this 1980s.
00:48:38
Yeah, it's probably going to be. So we about to see, but yeah,
00:48:42
that was, that was a very fun, fun interview.
00:48:48
I don't think you don't have many interviews like that.
00:48:51
That was a fun one to watch. That dude, he just looked like,
00:48:55
what the hell to say? No, you can.
00:48:57
In real life, we're not going to have one of those interviews
00:48:59
because we're not going to get a job.
00:49:02
Nope. It worked for her.
00:49:05
It's going to be the little more submissive or a.
00:49:08
Little more. Whatever.
00:49:09
Whatever. Especially when you can't ask a
00:49:12
person, just imagine you being you ask.
00:49:14
So what part of the job requires a penis?
00:49:17
Do you already know? Go ahead and walk away, right?
00:49:23
Because in this day and age somebody, you ask somebody that
00:49:26
they're probably going to be like, oh, that's a walking HR
00:49:28
violation. Let me not let.
00:49:33
Me, because they will find some things that we're doing wrong,
00:49:37
but they'll probably be like, oh.
00:49:39
She's the type of person who's going to say anything.
00:49:41
And yeah, they're not going to want to deal with that.
00:49:45
No. And see when there's injustices
00:49:48
and. And point them out, yeah.
00:49:51
So yeah, let's see. Anything else we need to discuss
00:49:57
about the future before we go back to the past?
00:49:59
Because I really want to talk about Mr. No, The future of
00:50:05
Ellesmere. The future is good.
00:50:08
OK? The future is good.
00:50:10
So let's talk about the 9th girl of Ellesmere, Mr. William
00:50:14
Ransom. So at the beginning of the
00:50:16
episode, we see him and his cousin Hal's son, which I was
00:50:21
like, where the hell is Hal? You know Laura, John's brother?
00:50:25
I don't know. He was still alive, but
00:50:27
apparently he is. And his son is also part of the
00:50:30
army. He's getting shipped out to New
00:50:32
York, and William is not yet. I don't think he's been assigned
00:50:37
anywhere. But while they're out, you know,
00:50:40
drinking, first of all, the cousin puking his guts out,
00:50:48
mouthful of vomit stuff, and you going to pull out your you going
00:50:57
to pull out your flask and share your alcohol with the same
00:51:01
person. I was like, you know what?
00:51:02
This is why people back in the 1700s got sick and died so much.
00:51:07
Yeah, like I understand alcohol is supposed to kill germs, but
00:51:11
ill he literally just finished throwing up anyway.
00:51:17
So they come around the corner and there's a commotion because
00:51:20
one of the British officers has been in a whorehouse and he has
00:51:24
kicked the whore out onto the street because he says she has
00:51:28
the pox and tried to give it to him.
00:51:30
Now of course, she claims that she didn't.
00:51:32
She didn't know and he is being very cruel to her and being
00:51:39
encouraged to do it by his other soldiers.
00:51:42
While William and his cousin kind of look on and horror, that
00:51:45
is the one thing I will say. William had a look of horror on
00:51:48
his face. So I was like okay.
00:51:50
We see he did not like the other British soldiers.
00:51:55
So this dude sets this woman on fire and everybody else is just
00:52:00
sitting there chanting, let her burn, let her burn or whatever
00:52:04
it was they were chanting. William is the only person who
00:52:08
comes to her aid. He takes off his coat, he puts
00:52:11
it on her, but it's a little too late because the fire has raised
00:52:16
just that much and she's like severely injured.
00:52:20
So then he gets ready to fight the person who set her on fire.
00:52:25
And of course, you know, commanding officer comes out and
00:52:28
the the Madam of the whorehouse comes out and they have to break
00:52:32
up the fight. But immediately I was like, OK,
00:52:35
so and I feel like from the beginning you're you're showing
00:52:39
us who William is as a person because.
00:52:43
It's only even we we have only met him as a child, and then
00:52:49
that brief introduction with him and Lord John when Brianna meets
00:52:53
him. So you're showing us this is a
00:52:56
man who is compassionate, this is a man who is not cruel, very
00:53:01
much like his birth father and very much like Lord John.
00:53:05
Right. And you had to, because that
00:53:07
doesn't. Just because your dad is
00:53:10
compassionate and kind, the one that's raising your Lord John
00:53:13
doesn't mean that you are. So we needed to see what type of
00:53:17
character he is. So he is a loyal soldier to
00:53:25
Britain and the next day he is called by his commanding officer
00:53:32
to complete a task. You know, the commanding
00:53:34
officer, even kind of, you know, praises him for what he did.
00:53:38
He said, I heard that there was some trouble last night.
00:53:40
I also heard only one soldier stepped in and you know, William
00:53:46
was like, it didn't do much good because apparently the, you
00:53:49
know, she died. But the commanding officer says
00:53:53
to him, he was like, but you know, it takes a strong person
00:53:58
or brave person to stand up to your fellow soldiers because
00:54:02
everybody else knows, I I can guarantee you, if it wasn't for
00:54:06
William's title, they probably would have jumped him that night
00:54:12
for stepping in, for confronting the other soldier.
00:54:16
They probably would have, they probably would have attacked
00:54:20
him, they probably would have beaten him.
00:54:22
But because he is who he is, they're not going to touch him,
00:54:27
not to. Me who his dad is, you're not
00:54:31
going to touch him. So I kind of feel like the the
00:54:38
mission that the officer gave to William, I feel like, yes, you
00:54:44
gave it to him because of the type of character he has where
00:54:47
you know that he is loyal, he is strong, he is going to do what
00:54:51
he's supposed to do. But I also feel like you did it
00:54:54
to kind of get him away from those other people as well so
00:54:58
that that that kind of thing won't happen.
00:55:01
But he gives, he gives William 3 missives and he's like, they're
00:55:04
supposed to go to these three people don't look at the
00:55:07
contents and their names will not be on it.
00:55:10
So you have to memorize the names.
00:55:12
So William takes off on his horse to go to, I think it was
00:55:18
Virginia, where he's supposed to deliver these letters.
00:55:21
Now while he's getting ready, while he's doing this, he comes
00:55:25
across a snake in the road and his horse gets startled and
00:55:31
bucks him off the horse. He rolls down the hill and as
00:55:37
he's rolling a stick, embeds itself in his arm.
00:55:42
No. And he was looking at that like,
00:55:44
Oh my God, that's so gross. And looking at his wound, and
00:55:47
that's so gross. And I was sitting here thinking
00:55:49
to myself, Hanukkah, you watch The Walking Dead every fucking
00:55:53
week. And this is gross.
00:55:56
I thought the same thing, though.
00:55:57
I was like his arm, that stick it it yeah, it looks painful.
00:56:03
Well, because with everything that happens in The Walking
00:56:07
Dead, you're like, OK, but this is something like, literally, I
00:56:09
can go outside and stumble and that can happen to me.
00:56:14
So it was a little. Bit more realistic so that like
00:56:17
that literally can happen. He's doing it in a time where
00:56:20
they don't have antibiotics, he does access, declares
00:56:24
Penicillin. Well.
00:56:27
Like, pulled the stick out, dude.
00:56:28
Pulled it out, pulled the stick out, pulled it out and wrapped
00:56:31
his arm. Now I would give.
00:56:33
I would give it to him. He kept going on his mission
00:56:37
through the Great Dismal Swamp. He kept going.
00:56:43
He kept. He kept on with his mission on
00:56:45
foot because his horse bolted after the whole snake incident.
00:56:50
But of course you can see him as he's going through.
00:56:52
He's getting weaker and weaker from the blood loss or maybe at
00:56:57
this point his arm has gotten infected or something like that.
00:57:01
So he's standing by the stream and he hears something and he
00:57:05
turns around in this in and roll out because Ian like he told
00:57:09
Jamie he went to go treat with was it the the Squaney he said
00:57:17
Indians where he try to say hey you guys come fight on our side
00:57:21
instead of on the British side. So Ian comes to him and they
00:57:26
have a little conversation and William is proud but he's also
00:57:33
hurt so he has to ask for help. He's asking for food and drink.
00:57:36
And Ian was like you don't look like you have any money.
00:57:39
He was like, I don't have any now, but I can get, I can get
00:57:43
you some And then you know that's when Ian sees the wound
00:57:46
and he asked him his name and when he says William Ransom
00:57:50
Ian's like. I know who you are, my cousin.
00:57:57
So he does tell William that you know Jamie is his uncle and that
00:58:03
he knows Lord John. He also said, yeah, I've met you
00:58:06
before too, when you came to Fraser's Ridge.
00:58:09
That was so long ago. And William is like, I I'm
00:58:12
sorry, I don't remember. So they start having
00:58:15
conversations about different things.
00:58:17
And he asked William, excuse me. William asked Ian about his time
00:58:21
with the Mohawk. And they they come to a
00:58:24
conversation where they talking about death.
00:58:27
Because William, of course, is thinking that he's probably
00:58:30
going to die because of this disinfection.
00:58:33
And it's so weird because he's saying this.
00:58:35
And then at the same time he's telling he's telling Ian he
00:58:38
doesn't need a doctor. Because Ian is like, we got to
00:58:40
find you a doctor. I don't need a doctor.
00:58:42
He was like, yeah, OK. You need a doctor so Ian gets to
00:58:47
work cleaning out the wound because still has wood splinters
00:58:51
in it which I'm like those out you can walk around for how long
00:58:56
with wood splinters you weren't even thinking that.
00:58:58
You just took the big chunk out and was like OK I'm good wrap it
00:59:02
up and keep going. But the moment that your arm got
00:59:06
this big and it's red like yours, your uniform something
00:59:11
should have told you to look at that wound and see what was
00:59:14
going on. But you know I guess they don't
00:59:17
do medical. I guess they don't do first Day
00:59:19
101 and British soldier training.
00:59:27
So they're having a conversation about death songs and Ian was
00:59:31
telling telling him about death songs that the that the Mohawk
00:59:36
do when you know someone comes to the end of their life and you
00:59:39
know they sing songs about them. And so William starts trying to
00:59:43
to compose his own death song, even though, as he says, he
00:59:46
doesn't have enough life experience to put in a death
00:59:49
song. So he names his full name,
00:59:52
William, Clarence, whatever, whatever, whatever.
00:59:55
And then he says, no, that's too long.
00:59:58
And then he says his name again, William James.
01:00:02
And Ian just kind of looks at him and I was like name Jamie
01:00:08
gave him when he made him a quote UN quote, stinking papist
01:00:12
and. He.
01:00:13
Said I want to papers name too. And Jamie named to William
01:00:18
James. I was like, you don't remember
01:00:20
most of the other stuff, but you remember that, right?
01:00:25
But but then how would Ian, Why would Ian look like?
01:00:29
That's interesting? Because he did look like Because
01:00:31
he. Had the name James because,
01:00:33
remember, William doesn't know that Jamie is his father.
01:00:36
Oh, because oh, the James. OK, yeah, I ain't thinking about
01:00:39
it. That would because if you name
01:00:41
your if you, that's obvious. I wasn't thinking about it.
01:00:44
Yeah. If you say your name is William
01:00:46
Clarence, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this other stuff.
01:00:49
And then my short name is William James.
01:00:53
Like, why would you come up with the name James just all of a
01:00:56
sudden? So I think at that point,
01:00:58
William, I mean, Ian really knew like, oh, OK, so Uncle gave him
01:01:04
that name, even if William does not remember that, but he does
01:01:10
remember that name. And I was just like, oh that.
01:01:15
To me, that was I I don't know. It it kind of touched me because
01:01:23
every time that we've seen William, like even the time when
01:01:26
he came to Fraser's Ridge, that wasn't that long after Jamie
01:01:34
left Hellwater, you know, it may have been a few years, but it
01:01:38
shouldn't have been long enough that William wouldn't have
01:01:43
remembered him. And even though, yes, in that
01:01:46
episode when we saw the meet again, he was like, was your
01:01:49
name Mac? Did you used to be the, you
01:01:52
know, the stable man or the groom at you know, hell water.
01:01:55
Do you know me? Do you Remember Me?
01:01:56
That sort of thing. It's like even though he doesn't
01:02:02
remember certain things like he he didn't remember meeting Ian
01:02:06
at Fraser's Ridge and there's only a few other things that he
01:02:09
does remember from that time. Clearly that stuck out sounds
01:02:14
like. Okay.
01:02:15
I wonder now that he's older, like will he start putting
01:02:18
things together if it start like Because even though granted he
01:02:23
does not look exactly like Jamie because of course you would
01:02:26
literally have to find a twin of Sam Hewan, I feel like they did
01:02:31
good with the casting. He does have enough of a look
01:02:35
that would make you think if you put him and Jamie together you
01:02:40
would probably look and be like. Something about the way he
01:02:43
carries himself, you know, and I know that's probably conscious
01:02:50
on the actors part. So yeah, he's a big boy too.
01:02:55
Yeah, yeah, but I was just like when he said William James.
01:03:00
I was like okay then Ian is sitting there like Okay.
01:03:05
I'm I'm sitting here treating my cousin and I can't say that
01:03:09
you're my cousin, but. It's one of those things where I
01:03:13
think Ian feels like okay, Even though you are a redcoat, I have
01:03:18
an obligation to you because you are family.
01:03:21
So he does, Yeah. So he does take William to a
01:03:25
town where he is heard that there is a doctor and this is
01:03:29
where we meet the hunters. And I was like, okay the moment
01:03:36
Miss Hunter. Stepped outside and she started
01:03:39
talking. The way she looked at Ian and
01:03:41
the way he looked at her, I was like, this is gonna be Ian's
01:03:44
happy ending. Yeah, I was like Sparkles Can.
01:03:47
I I'm excited so and I don't know anything about the hunters
01:03:52
from the book. I don't know anything.
01:03:55
I haven't heard anything, so I'm just speculating.
01:03:59
But I was like, that was a look that passed there and they
01:04:03
wanted us to see it because they they had both had a pause
01:04:06
looking at each other like, oh, like you're familiar, like
01:04:10
there's a connection. Hey, Rachel didn't.
01:04:14
Rachel couldn't even speak, though.
01:04:15
Rachel came out, got the horse and looked at in and looked at
01:04:20
her. Yeah.
01:04:25
So I thought it was interesting. I was like, OK, so you guys are
01:04:31
showing us who Ian's future wife is.
01:04:33
OK, cool. I don't know.
01:04:36
I don't know if this is his future wife.
01:04:37
I'm just speculating. Like I said, because of the
01:04:40
look, I'm like, yeah, there's about to be something here.
01:04:42
I was too. And then I was thinking, OK, now
01:04:46
we have diverted to one of my other romance novels because by
01:04:50
the end of the episode, Rachel was a tab bit friendly with
01:04:56
William, with William and William.
01:05:00
But William flirts with everyone, I realized, because he
01:05:02
was halfway flirting with his sister and he was flirting with
01:05:06
Rachel. So William's A flirt.
01:05:09
William is just charismatic and flirting with when the women
01:05:13
come around. Yeah, well, I mean, he goes by
01:05:16
honestly. Yeah, he does.
01:05:18
That's what I'm saying. So he.
01:05:20
Even with Laura John. Even though we know Laura John
01:05:22
is gay and we know that he has no interest in the women, the
01:05:26
time being him. Yes, the women have all been
01:05:30
like, like when he came to Brianna's rescue and offered to
01:05:34
marry her, like all the men in the room were pissed.
01:05:37
All the women in the room were like, Oh my God, like he's
01:05:40
choosing her, He's choosing her. And then what was the other
01:05:45
instant? I think it was Jacosta's wedding
01:05:51
where he was there dancing and there were some women looking
01:05:53
like, oh, Lord John, right. So he, he got, he got it honest,
01:05:58
right. So he was he was kind of
01:06:01
flirting with, you know, Rachel too at the end when she was, you
01:06:04
know, shaving his face. So I was like, wait a second, is
01:06:08
this going to be a be a little triangle?
01:06:11
Well, I I was thinking about that too.
01:06:14
Because when, when they come. You know, at this point William
01:06:18
is pretty much, he's in bad shape and.
01:06:22
When Ian leaves like Okay, they go through this whole thing
01:06:26
where they have William on the table and they think they're
01:06:28
going to have to amputate his arm because the infection is
01:06:32
that big. That was funny, that.
01:06:35
That was hilarious. He was like, I don't think so.
01:06:38
You're not cutting my arm off. He was like, I would rather die
01:06:41
than you cut my arm off. And Ian was like, you are not
01:06:44
about to have my uncle slit my throat because I let his son
01:06:48
die. Absolutely.
01:06:50
The fuck not. You were going to get this arm
01:06:52
cut off and you were going to live to fight another day,
01:06:57
right? This is not it for you, Sir.
01:06:59
Right. And I don't know if it was just
01:07:01
that he was weak or if it was just the.
01:07:03
It it could have been just the intensity of Ian.
01:07:06
But at some point William is like, OK, do what you got to do.
01:07:12
And just as Denzel is about to cut the arm off, he like, he
01:07:17
touches it and all of this pus starts oozing.
01:07:20
He was like, oh, OK, so we don't have to cut his arm off now
01:07:23
because it's draining. We can get all this out and we
01:07:25
can treat it. And again, I'm looking at this
01:07:28
pus and I was like, that is nasty.
01:07:32
That is nasty. But I watch The Walking Dead
01:07:34
every week. But that is still nasty.
01:07:36
Yeah, it's different. Look, it's different.
01:07:42
It is so different. Right.
01:07:45
So while William is recovering, that's when Ian takes his lead.
01:07:50
He he, you know, he takes the horse he leaves some money for
01:07:54
for William. For them to care for William.
01:07:57
And you can kind of see this, like you said, this little
01:07:59
flirtation between him and Rachel.
01:08:02
And then later on in the episode, you do see a flirtation
01:08:06
with her and William. But I think depending on how
01:08:10
much time has elapsed, that could explain that because one
01:08:14
Ian has left, she doesn't think she's going to see Ian again.
01:08:17
So yeah, he was cute to flirt with, but I may never run across
01:08:20
his path again. And as far as we can tell, it's
01:08:23
just it's just her and her brother.
01:08:27
They're in the house, they're Quakers and she probably doesn't
01:08:33
have many interactions with men. So of course you see a good
01:08:37
looking man come, or rather you see two of them come in at the
01:08:42
same day. You feel like who won the
01:08:45
lottery, then why leaves and then here's the other one.
01:08:51
And once he's all cleaned up and not oozing of stinking plus you
01:08:57
look good. It's charming.
01:08:59
He's charismatic. If this is what I have to work
01:09:05
with, I can flirt with this too. So I don't know if it's going to
01:09:09
be a love triangle. I don't know what's going to
01:09:11
happen. Like I said, I don't know
01:09:12
anything about the hunters from the books, but I just kind of
01:09:16
felt like, especially because you in particular have been
01:09:20
saying that you need Ian to have his happily ever after.
01:09:24
That this is probably going to be the start of that, but then
01:09:28
that also makes me worry because of what Arch Bug said to him.
01:09:35
I'll come for you when you have something to look, when you have
01:09:38
something precious to lose. And I was like because, right.
01:09:44
And that was just like when that just last episode for us and
01:09:49
then now this episode, you introduced a woman that was
01:09:53
like, how sweet gonna be. Could be his wife.
01:09:57
And even though we just met them, I like the Hunters
01:10:00
already. I do too.
01:10:02
I do. I like them.
01:10:04
I do too. So now I'm like, Oh no.
01:10:09
It's strange for me hearing a white man with the name Denzel,
01:10:12
though, because the only one I know is Denzel Washington and.
01:10:18
I keep thinking about the interview.
01:10:20
He did an interview on the Graham Norton Show, I think it
01:10:23
was. And he said what is real?
01:10:25
How to really say his? Name.
01:10:27
How you really say his name and it's Denzel and I was just like.
01:10:30
Oh, that's that's interesting. But OK, whatever.
01:10:34
But I'm just and I read. I feel like it was a woman who
01:10:39
said Denzel. Because they just like saying
01:10:44
the saying his name out and so just saying Denzel.
01:10:48
He said his mother, or rather he's he made it Denzel because
01:10:54
his father is also Denzel. So whenever his mom would call
01:10:58
for Denzel, both of them would respond He, you know, he kind of
01:11:03
sort of changed the pronunciation so that they could
01:11:08
differentiate because it's just so interesting, you know?
01:11:12
Denzel and Denzel. Denzel.
01:11:21
Right. You out on the point?
01:11:23
Denzel. Mmhmm.
01:11:26
Mmhmm. Yeah, Mmhmm.
01:11:28
OK. I just say probably when his
01:11:30
girlfriend said that name long Denzel, he said, oh, I like
01:11:35
that. OK, I'll have my mom call me.
01:11:36
That is a little different from the day stop.
01:11:42
So yeah, it was it was interesting.
01:11:45
But I do like the hunters though.
01:11:47
I do I. Do they seem like they are the
01:11:50
type of people who, and I don't know much about Quaker religion,
01:11:55
so I don't know what their beliefs are and you know how
01:11:57
they do things. But these two characters, they
01:12:00
seem like they are very steadfast and who they are and
01:12:05
very uncompromising who they are.
01:12:08
But also, it's nice to come across some strangers who don't
01:12:12
automatically try to kill you or think that you're doing, you
01:12:15
know, just they just seem genuinely nice and like, even
01:12:21
though they didn't know what was going on, I mean, think about
01:12:24
it. You have someone who looks like
01:12:26
a Mohawk Indian and you have a red coat coming to your house.
01:12:30
You don't know what the situation is.
01:12:32
You already, I'm sure you already know that there's talk
01:12:35
of war. So.
01:12:38
You don't know what's going on. He could have been, you know,
01:12:42
shot whatever, could be bringing trouble to your door.
01:12:46
But they still opened up their home to help him.
01:12:49
And then when Ian left him, it, it wasn't like, oh, you have to
01:12:52
take him with you. No, we'll take care of him until
01:12:55
this time for him to, you know, to leave or whatever.
01:12:58
So yeah, I like them. I'm very interested to see how
01:13:04
this thing with with Rachel is going to go.
01:13:09
I I got to say William for now because again Ian has left.
01:13:13
But that would be interesting to see how that happens, because
01:13:18
she, it almost reminds me of, it kind of reminds me a little bit
01:13:24
of Lizzy with the twins, like the the way that they were kind
01:13:29
of sneaking those looks at each other and like.
01:13:33
So which twin is she going to end up with, not knowing that
01:13:36
she's going to end up with both of them?
01:13:39
But yeah, so it's it's it's going to be interesting to see
01:13:44
what the hunters and in particular Rachel, bring to the
01:13:49
show. Like I said, I really, I really
01:13:52
do want this to be like Ian's happily ever after because he
01:13:55
deserves it. But yeah, that's going to be
01:13:59
interesting. But it's also nice to have
01:14:01
another Doctor on the show, so one who seems like he knows what
01:14:08
he's doing, right? So And then the and the great.
01:14:13
And she's a great assistant too, so someone else to learn.
01:14:19
I want to know. I want to know the so I'm
01:14:22
thinking, well, we're going to have to see the hunters again
01:14:27
because it's just kind of hard for you just to throw them in
01:14:29
here. And then they're gone once
01:14:31
William goes about his way to deliver his papers.
01:14:34
Yeah, no, I think they're going to be around for a minute.
01:14:38
OK. Yeah, at least for a few
01:14:40
episodes. If anything, like I said, if you
01:14:44
don't know they're in the books or not, I.
01:14:47
Think they are. That's what I was saying.
01:14:49
I haven't read it, but I think. They are, and I think she does
01:14:54
have a relationship with Ian. I don't know if it's the happily
01:14:57
ever after type, but I I do think I will take anything right
01:15:02
now for him. I'm desperate for love.
01:15:07
For Ian, I don't. I don't care.
01:15:10
We had to do the The Bachelor and this is just one of them.
01:15:14
I and we get another. I don't care.
01:15:18
He deserves some love and some peace he does.
01:15:23
And to live on the farm, I don't care.
01:15:28
I mean, they have. I'm telling you right now.
01:15:30
I am telling you they. Do they got the water right in
01:15:34
front of them? But I'll tell you right now so
01:15:37
I'm happy to Ian, I I swear you I will no longer be on this
01:15:40
podcast. I will burn every book.
01:15:45
Some bad not happen to him. I can't say whether or not
01:15:53
something does or doesn't because I because I understand
01:15:57
Jamie and Claire have lived a full life and they found love
01:16:03
and whatever ending we get, we going to get and I'm going to be
01:16:05
OK with that. But Ian has been through some
01:16:10
shit. You saying it with your chest?
01:16:14
So I need him to be OK at the end.
01:16:18
I live an old man with a lot of kids.
01:16:21
I just need that. That's all I need.
01:16:25
That's what I need for him. Oh, that's what I'm sitting here
01:16:29
looking right now. So that's how Ian got him to
01:16:34
agree to be a amputation. He was like.
01:16:37
He was like, no, we still need a proper you can't die.
01:16:40
We still need a proper death song for you.
01:16:41
You ain't dead shit yet. Oh yeah.
01:16:45
But also because when he told them he they couldn't amputate,
01:16:48
Rachel was like, then get thyself off thy table.
01:16:52
She was like, oh, and we can't save your life.
01:16:55
You can get the hell on because we're not going to have you just
01:16:57
sit here and die. Ooh, that puss.
01:17:00
It's just so gross. It's so gross, but that was
01:17:06
funny. Like, OK, if we're not going to
01:17:08
attempt this, then you can just move around, move about your
01:17:11
business, get on your horse and leave and we clean up for the
01:17:14
next person. Right, get off my table.
01:17:16
Stop putting your germs on my table.
01:17:19
We got to eat later on. Oh goodness.
01:17:25
But yeah, so the look. The little flirty miss after Ian
01:17:30
leaves. She's sitting there shaving
01:17:36
William and yeah, they're having the conversation.
01:17:39
I was sitting there looking, I was like, yeah, this looks like
01:17:44
it's going to be a thing too, right?
01:17:48
That's always like, I'm confused.
01:17:50
I'm very confused. Like, again, I I can understand.
01:17:55
William is a nice looking man and you think that you're not
01:17:59
going to see him. That's true.
01:18:01
But you had a what? You think a bad boy show up with
01:18:06
a wolf and then you have the good boy in the uniform who has
01:18:15
a uniform. You ain't seen the uniform yet,
01:18:17
but once you cleaned them up, you realize he got some money.
01:18:21
Oh yeah, no, because at this point they don't know that
01:18:23
William is a soldier. No, but she know he has some
01:18:27
money that he comes from something.
01:18:31
I think she said she kind of said it like she said something
01:18:37
that indicate like, oh, OK, you you know, you're about business.
01:18:41
You're you're something or what not.
01:18:44
And then you got Ian the bad boy with the with the wolf not the
01:18:50
dog. But hey.
01:18:52
Right now, here's the He's my favorite type of dog he is.
01:18:56
He's so gorgeous. Here's the other very
01:18:59
interesting thing about that shaving scene.
01:19:03
So while she's putting the the lather on his face, she tells
01:19:09
William it is a shame that you can't keep your beard.
01:19:12
It is of a very striking color and I'm sitting here looking at
01:19:17
his stubble. It's coming in very Auburn red.
01:19:28
So yeah, y'all are about to start putting things into
01:19:32
motion, because, you know, I told you at some point William
01:19:36
does find out that Jamie is his father.
01:19:37
I don't know where in the books or how far off we are, but I
01:19:42
feel like you're giving us all of these things now because
01:19:45
you're preparing us for that. So yeah, well, how many episodes
01:19:53
do we have this season? 17.
01:19:58
We have 17. So we have 10 more to go from
01:20:06
because, I mean, seven just showed.
01:20:08
So we have 10 more. OK, so then he's going to find
01:20:11
out this season you think it's. Seven OK yeah.
01:20:17
Oh. Wow.
01:20:18
Yeah, I mean, we're do wait a minute.
01:20:21
We're doing 4 currently right now.
01:20:25
Episode 4. What is currently out?
01:20:29
No, it's six just came out. Six just came out.
01:20:33
OK, yes. So 11 more, Yes.
01:20:39
William is going to have to find out, yeah.
01:20:44
Especially because the final season is only 7 episodes I
01:20:50
think. That's all we need.
01:20:53
And so in this season, 16 episodes, 16, OK, so 10 more.
01:20:58
So what we going to get is that he going to find out about his
01:21:03
death and we going to find that gold.
01:21:08
We're probably not going to find the gold until the second-half
01:21:10
of the of the season because they're they're splitting the
01:21:13
season. In the episode Parts.
01:21:17
Wait a second, Hold on a second. Hold on.
01:21:19
So we have two more episodes and then we have a hiatus.
01:21:25
For how long? I don't.
01:21:28
It better be like the other shows that we watch for a month.
01:21:33
From what I am seeing on Google right now, it says the
01:21:39
second-half later in 2024, so I don't know when in 2024 we are
01:21:47
getting them. Well, we don't go back to the
01:21:52
shave. What what I was saying was
01:21:55
Rachel has said on your speech is better than your clothes.
01:21:59
And I can tell you from great caliber, that's how you're
01:22:03
presenting yourself, how he presents himself.
01:22:05
Yeah, because he's trying to keep from saying who he is.
01:22:09
Yeah, but you can't hide, but you can't hide up that upbring
01:22:13
that he has. So I was going to say you can't
01:22:15
hide that breathing. Right.
01:22:17
You got throw some slang words in there, Sir.
01:22:19
And he. I know he's not.
01:22:21
No, no. And you don't hang out in the
01:22:25
wilderness, so we clearly know that.
01:22:28
Well, he, you know, that's he's talking to her.
01:22:31
And he does talk about the hunting in the Great Dismal
01:22:36
Swamp because she does ask how he came to be there or how he
01:22:39
knows. And he was like, Oh, yeah, I've
01:22:40
hunted. I've hunted there before.
01:22:42
You know, Doesn't he doesn't tell her, Oh yeah, on a
01:22:45
plantation kind of in these parts or anything like that.
01:22:49
But that's when he starts asking her if he mentions something
01:22:53
about, I think he, he mentions one of the people he's supposed
01:22:57
to be looking for, or she does. And he was like, oh, is it such
01:23:02
and such? Oh, and he's known.
01:23:05
What is it? He is a friend.
01:23:08
He is a friend of someone known to me.
01:23:11
And he finds out that that person is a rebel.
01:23:15
So when she gets off the porch, she's sitting there looking like
01:23:18
why am I delivering something from the commanding officer of
01:23:22
the British Army to 1? Of these vehicles.
01:23:26
So he starts looking like, So I was like, yeah, at some point,
01:23:30
William, you're going to have to make a choice.
01:23:34
I feel like I don't know what those missiles were.
01:23:36
I don't know what they, you know, they they could have been
01:23:39
talks of surrender. They could have been, you know,
01:23:42
whatever probably had something to do with spying because I
01:23:46
think when William was getting the missives, he mentioned
01:23:51
something about spying and or rather the the commanding
01:23:54
officer mentioned something about spying.
01:23:56
And William basically was like, I have no designs to be a spy.
01:23:59
I don't want to do it. And what did that guy say?
01:24:02
He said most, most men who consider themselves soldiers
01:24:06
wouldn't. Oh, you know what he did say?
01:24:09
Most men who consider themselves soldiers wouldn't.
01:24:12
Maybe those people are spies. And that's why, he said.
01:24:17
Because they're not soldiers, they're they're part of the
01:24:20
rebellion. Okay.
01:24:27
But yeah, I I like William. There's some flirting vibes are
01:24:33
going on between them, so, so very much so.
01:24:36
And that's why I was saying I like William.
01:24:38
I like what we've seen of him so far and.
01:24:41
And this if like if Ian doesn't see Miss Hunter again see a her
01:24:50
and William thing. The good thing is you see you
01:24:52
see chemistry with both of them. Yeah, you do.
01:24:55
So it can go either way except. Get better.
01:24:59
Go to Ian. But that's just you know, that's
01:25:01
how I feel. You're biased.
01:25:04
I know, I know. But you know what William.
01:25:07
But I know this from last episode when he met Brianna.
01:25:11
I see the OR two episodes go. I do see some of that reddish
01:25:16
brown the way that colored his hair.
01:25:19
It's. It's there.
01:25:22
It's very it has like an Auburn tent to it.
01:25:25
Yeah. So the thing about it is if he
01:25:28
ever just like stands with Jamie or be around him for a minute,
01:25:33
he's going to figure it out because they going to have
01:25:35
mannerisms. They already did when he was
01:25:38
younger to the point where they were look across the field and
01:25:41
be like, oh shit, OK, what was the grandmother said?
01:25:47
She said we we said that Willie spends so much time with Mac
01:25:53
that he's starting to look like him.
01:25:57
And then Jamie happened to see his his reflection in the
01:26:02
mirror. When Willie was cleaning the
01:26:04
thing, he was like, Oh yeah, it's time for me to.
01:26:08
Go time for me to go. So yeah, but yeah, he yeah, I
01:26:16
have a feeling that Red is going to come out just just a little
01:26:19
bit. And he something about the way,
01:26:23
and again, I don't know if this is because the actor is
01:26:26
purposefully doing it or if it's just the way that he is and
01:26:30
that's why they cast him. But even just the way he makes
01:26:34
some of his facial expressions or the way he holds himself,
01:26:38
it's kind of reminiscent of Jamie, you know?
01:26:44
But yeah, that's going to be interesting.
01:26:47
It will be, but on the other note, Jamie and Claire and the
01:26:54
rebels that he is in command of now, they have arrived at Fort
01:26:58
Ticonderoga, which is where Jamie was instructed to go.
01:27:03
So I'm like, okay. I guess y'all won't be avoiding
01:27:05
this war, or some of the battles at least, because I know that
01:27:11
there's a battle at Fort Ticonderoga or there's supposed
01:27:14
to be something that happens there.
01:27:18
But yeah, the American Revolution is on its way and
01:27:25
it's going to be so interesting because you have all these
01:27:27
parts. Like Jamie, Claire and Ian were
01:27:31
planning to go to Scotland so that Jamie wouldn't have to
01:27:34
fight against his son because he refuses to fight for the
01:27:36
British. And now he literally has been
01:27:39
put into a position where if they go to war, he might be on
01:27:44
the battlefield. What's my son?
01:27:46
I need them just to skip town. Just get on the damn boat.
01:27:51
OK? But see, the problem is, Jamie
01:27:55
is still the, I guess you say the Laird.
01:28:00
The land. Yeah, He is never a Fraser's
01:28:02
Ridge and so he has to. That's going to put everybody
01:28:07
else in in danger at Fraser's Ridge.
01:28:10
And he he has to think about the other people.
01:28:13
You've got Lizzy there with her babies because she probably has
01:28:16
had her second child by now. You've got the twins, you've got
01:28:20
all these other people who Jamie took in, all the Fisher folk
01:28:25
that are there, so. I know.
01:28:28
I just want them to skip town and say they were kidnapped.
01:28:30
You got to figure that Jamie is tired of being a wanted man at
01:28:35
this. Right, he is.
01:28:36
And it's it's almost the point where I could be like, I'm too
01:28:39
old to fight in the war. Well, I.
01:28:46
Can't say that either because he's not looking.
01:28:49
He's, he's not looking conscious, so he's not looking
01:28:52
up at all. So.
01:28:54
Right. And when you can be, when you
01:28:56
can be captured by by some men, by Richard Brown's men and you
01:29:00
sit there and fight them all, yeah.
01:29:04
So you're not too old to fight? No, you're not at all.
01:29:08
I just, it's one of those things where it's like you should have
01:29:12
went to a different town, you should have went a different
01:29:15
way. But I I guess it was going to
01:29:17
happen. Don't just walk around, rock
01:29:19
around at night. So now I see you right with all
01:29:22
that red hair. Camp.
01:29:24
Camp on the outskirts of town, yeah, But you know, it's kind of
01:29:29
like what we were saying with the whole Roger and Brianna
01:29:31
thing. If it's if it's meant to happen,
01:29:34
if he was supposed to be in that battle, there's nothing that
01:29:36
they would be able to do. To kill him from like they
01:29:40
tried. They tried to go to Scotland
01:29:42
like, OK, look, we're not, we're not about to be a part of this
01:29:45
and you? Seem to help to intervene.
01:29:47
So I feel like he's probably supposed to be a part of this.
01:29:53
I hope that doesn't mean that he's going to have to, you know,
01:29:56
fight against William or be, you know, I'm hoping that once he
01:30:00
does this, whatever he's supposed to do at Fort
01:30:02
Ticonderoga, I don't think it's a permanent post because oh dude
01:30:08
was kind of like okay Well, you just need to do this one thing
01:30:11
for me and then you can be you can be on your way.
01:30:14
You just be delayed. So I'm hoping they keep to that
01:30:17
and Jamie can take his ass to Scotland because one, I really
01:30:21
do want to go back to Scotland and see how everybody is doing
01:30:23
and I know that we are going to Scotland.
01:30:26
Because of the season seven casting news before they started
01:30:30
shooting the season. Yeah, Which is going to be the
01:30:32
second-half, though, that's coming out 2024.
01:30:39
That'll give us some time. Look, that'll give us some time
01:30:41
to read. Oh yeah, that is true.
01:30:44
That is true. But then we're not trying to
01:30:46
catch up, are we? We're not supposed to surpass
01:30:49
what is being on the show. Yeah, no, we're we're going to
01:30:53
do our best to be disciplined. We just want to get up to this
01:30:55
point. We can get up to this point and
01:30:58
just kind of once we have that little background, we can kind
01:31:01
of talk amongst ourselves. And then we stop.
01:31:04
So this is what we think is going to happen based on what's
01:31:08
happening in the book so far, we can do that.
01:31:11
So that gives us some. Gives us some time.
01:31:14
I'm a little sad now that I was thinking, ooh, we got 10 more
01:31:17
episodes. Girl I I wish they.
01:31:21
But even on network TV or cable TV, even when those shows were
01:31:27
doing 2223 episode shows, they always took a split in the
01:31:33
middle of the the season. So.
01:31:35
Yeah, for the holidays. It might be a holiday over
01:31:41
there, no? So yeah, I understand.
01:31:48
Yeah, I but I will say this too, as much as I would like to be
01:31:53
able to watch the episodes without a break, I'm kind of
01:31:58
glad that we do have a break because that extends how long we
01:32:02
have with the show. Because once those eight
01:32:06
episodes air and then the final season episodes, which is I
01:32:10
think only six or seven, that's it.
01:32:14
So I I don't mind the hiatus a little bit because it it extends
01:32:19
how much longer we want to enjoy with.
01:32:21
You it won't be a big gap before we get Season 8.
01:32:25
Hopefully, yes, it won't be a it won't be a 400.
01:32:29
And how many days was this time? 455 days or 6?
01:32:33
150 it It won't be that, so that'll be a good thing.
01:32:37
I was Speaking of which so news that came out this week that I
01:32:43
happen to see. Apparently the prequel series
01:32:48
about Jamie's parents has been greenlit, so we will be getting
01:32:53
a An Outlander spinoff series based on Brian and Ellen Fraser.
01:33:00
So now, I still wish then we could get more Outlander,
01:33:06
because again, she's still writing the 10th book.
01:33:11
The 10th book is supposed to be the end of Jamie and Claire's
01:33:15
story. So I don't know how they're
01:33:18
going to do the final season for Outlander, if they're going to
01:33:21
get notes from her as far as what happens, or if they're just
01:33:25
going to write their own. And I I don't know how that's
01:33:27
going to go, but at least we know we're getting more
01:33:31
Outlander, at least for, you know, Brian and Ellen.
01:33:39
But yeah, I I'm okay with with the hiatus.
01:33:43
So that means this is what Episode 4 we're talking about.
01:33:45
So we have four more episodes to discuss before the hiatus.
01:33:52
We do have Dragon Con coming up. I am going to be on the
01:33:58
Outlander show panel at Dragon Con this year again.
01:34:02
Yay. So I we'll get to talk about
01:34:05
that. They're not talking about the
01:34:07
books on this panel. It's just going to be strictly
01:34:09
show, Which is cool because that means I don't have to sit here
01:34:12
and try to rush to read up until this point.
01:34:15
But like I like, like you said, we're not going to go past where
01:34:18
they are in the show because we don't want to spoil ourselves,
01:34:22
even though I've heard like little bits and pieces of
01:34:25
spoilers here and there. Oh, the other other The other
01:34:29
thing I did see on Twitter is that Meryl Davis confirmed that
01:34:39
we will not be seeing Ferguson Marsley this season.
01:34:43
Whatever. I am so hurt.
01:34:48
I mean, I understand cuz they're not anywhere where they will be
01:34:52
a part of the story, but they need to come back and be a part
01:34:55
of the story. I miss them.
01:34:58
I miss them. So anyway, I think that's all
01:35:04
the news I have on that for now, because again, they're filming.
01:35:12
Well, actually they are not filming right now.
01:35:15
I believe Outlander has halted their filming in solidarity with
01:35:20
the SAG actors here in the States.
01:35:23
So they're not filming right now.
01:35:25
So they're kind of like somewhere midway between film
01:35:29
and Season 8. So I guess that might extend
01:35:35
when we get Season 8 as well, depending on how long the
01:35:38
strike. Is, yeah.
01:35:41
But so we'll just once this hiatus starts we'll have to get
01:35:46
our our fix somehow. You know they do have another
01:35:51
season of men and kilts out so. Yeah, I thought that was coming
01:35:56
out. Yeah, but did we forget anything
01:36:02
on the episode? No, we hit all the parts.
01:36:05
You got Tom, that dog on Tom. Christy, I tell you, I rewound.
01:36:10
That that was just so cute though.
01:36:12
I mean, it was cuz he the Glee, right?
01:36:16
He was so happy. He was just so happy.
01:36:20
He was like, I thought, you know, I wrote the obituary cuz I
01:36:24
I I didn't have a grave to go to.
01:36:45
That's what I'm saying, that actually, considering his
01:36:48
romantic past probably was like, you know what?
01:36:26
I wouldn't be able to go to your grave.
01:36:28
And I was just like, oh, they're so sweet.
01:36:32
But it's so sad in a way too, because you're in love with a
01:36:35
woman who can never be with you or who will never be with you.
01:36:39
But and you know what? That might have been enough to
01:36:44
sustain. I'm good.
01:36:52
I'm good. She's she's safe.
01:36:56
She's happy. And if anything, he knows that
01:36:59
Jamie will protect Claire with with his life so he doesn't have
01:37:03
to worry about, oh, is she endangered?
01:37:05
This, that and other. He knows Jamie will protect her.
01:37:07
So that's probably the most peaceful thing you can have.
01:37:11
At least you know she's not she's not under the ground and
01:37:14
you can walk around knowing, OK, she's alive, she's breathing.
01:37:18
I'm good. So I I hope he can find some
01:37:22
peace, and I hope he doesn't. Fall on the horse and he can be
01:37:30
happy. He can be happy.
01:37:32
Now I know there's there's probably going to be a piece of
01:37:35
him that struggles because he doesn't know where Alan is and
01:37:41
he at this point he probably will never find out where Alan
01:37:44
is. So that's going to be something,
01:37:46
I think, that'll kind of sit on his conscience or sit on his
01:37:50
heart. But I think for the most part, I
01:37:51
think Tom Christy is okay. He he did right by Jamie and
01:37:59
Claire the way he said he would, as far as, you know, making sure
01:38:03
that they were safe. He did his best to do that.
01:38:06
And then when Claire was about to go down or be killed for that
01:38:10
crime, he was like, I can't do this because I know it would.
01:38:12
I know it wasn't you. So, yeah, Okay.
01:38:17
Hi, Tom. Christy, that door is closed.
01:38:22
So now we have the hunters. We have William becoming a a
01:38:27
bigger part of the story, and I know that that will probably
01:38:30
increase with all of the stuff coming up for the American
01:38:34
Revolution. We have Jamie, Claire, Ian stuck
01:38:37
here for the time being for the war.
01:38:43
And we've got we've got Roger and Brianna in the future trying
01:38:50
to figure out what the fuck a knuckle V is and what is it
01:38:54
doing in their house and why is it eating all the crisps?
01:38:57
And you've got Jimmy and Mandy, Jimmy and Mandy boy, let me tell
01:39:02
you, those two kids, if they not, it's like one minute
01:39:05
they're fighting and the next minute he's being protective of
01:39:08
her. Yeah, these kids are going to
01:39:13
drive them crazy because even in the beginning, when she was
01:39:16
like, Mandy hit me, she won't say sorry, Mandy, apologize.
01:39:22
I won't. Roger was like I.
01:39:25
You will. So I.
01:39:27
Was like, oh, these kids will drive me nuts two years, right?
01:39:31
And then then you going to lock them up.
01:39:33
Do you block Mandy up in the closet in the dungeon room?
01:39:36
Call it a little dungeon room. And then she sitting there like
01:39:38
do it again. What you just?
01:39:43
And then one day we're going to find out about the gold too.
01:39:45
So you know you are going to keep on about that gold.
01:39:50
What? I just want them to ask him.
01:39:52
I mean, damn, just ask your kid instead of just.
01:39:55
I wonder if we should ask him now.
01:39:57
Like now? It's been a few years.
01:39:59
Sure, when you're at dinner, you're talking about nothing.
01:40:03
What? You just ask him instead of just
01:40:05
wondering. Y'all just went through all of
01:40:08
your savings and everything. You need some money, Brock.
01:40:11
You're going to need some money. I mean, I realize that.
01:40:14
I realize that Brianna has a job now, but I can almost guarantee
01:40:17
you they are underpaying her for that job.
01:40:22
And then Roger is not doing anything right now, so they
01:40:25
probably could. I'm with you at this point.
01:40:30
Ask him about the gold. Ask him about the gold.
01:40:36
Because then you got to make a trip to North Carolina.
01:40:41
You got to go see where phrases. But you know, I don't know if
01:40:48
I'm ready to go to a future Frasers Ridge or a 1980s Frasers
01:40:55
Ridge because we don't know what that looks like.
01:40:59
And I just. I just don't know because I feel
01:41:01
like and I guess that's kind of why Brianna is doing that as
01:41:05
well, because if she if they have to go there, then you'll
01:41:10
have to see the place that you were just in a few years ago and
01:41:13
how different it is and things may be gone.
01:41:16
And you know of course the the houses and the settlements are
01:41:19
probably no longer there. So that might, yeah that might
01:41:23
be a bit too much for her. So I can kind of understand her
01:41:26
hesitance when opening that that Pandora's box.
01:41:32
So, OK, I'll give her a little leeway on that.
01:41:34
We'll just wait. Maybe, Michelle, you know back
01:41:38
half of the season they'll ask you about the gold and we'll.
01:41:41
I just want them to ask. It's OK we don't even go.
01:41:45
No, cuz if you ask and you find out about this gold, you know
01:41:48
they're going to want to go. I would want to go.
01:41:51
I would too. I'll be like, oh, we take the
01:41:54
little. We going to take a little trip,
01:41:56
right? Family vacation.
01:41:59
To the States. And then also too, if you think
01:42:02
about it, if they make that kind of trip going to the States,
01:42:08
they're not going to leave the kids with Fiona.
01:42:10
They're going to take the kids with them.
01:42:13
And that might be hard for Jim as well, because he'll he'll
01:42:20
also have remembered, you know, he'll remember what Frasers
01:42:24
Ridge was and then for him to see it the way it might be now,
01:42:28
that will probably disturb him as well, so.
01:42:33
Yeah, So we'll just tell them to wait.
01:42:37
Just just wait on asking about the go.
01:42:39
It'll be okay, Michelle. It'll be okay.
01:42:43
It'll be okay. We'll get.
01:42:45
There by the By the end of this season or season eight, please
01:42:50
just have a conversation. I think they would have to do it
01:42:54
this season because I feel like whatever they're doing Season 8.
01:42:58
It's some totally it's got to close it.
01:43:00
It's going to be closing it out. Yeah, it has to close it.
01:43:03
Yeah. Whatever it is that's going on
01:43:05
with Jamie and Claire to end their story, I feel like that's
01:43:10
what the final episodes will focus on, so.
01:43:14
Yeah, yeah. And I agree to that.
01:43:18
Like we we're doing all the stories now and then Eight just
01:43:20
literally is closing. Yeah, yeah, so that'll be cool.
01:43:28
That'll be cool. So we just we just have to be a
01:43:29
little patience. We may have to wait until 2024
01:43:34
to find out about the gold and the Spaniard, those of Y'all
01:43:40
listed. You can see the look on
01:43:41
Michelle's face. I don't know if I can, but okay,
01:43:45
maybe it'll be spring 2024. I mean, because the the episodes
01:43:49
are already done. I don't see them making us wait.
01:43:52
Another When did this season come out?
01:43:56
June. So maybe next June.
01:44:01
Maybe next June. No, don't wait that long.
01:44:03
I don't agree to it either. But I'm just saying we only
01:44:06
have. So right now, right now, we
01:44:10
have, what did I say, 6 episodes out, Five episodes, 6 episodes
01:44:15
out. So that means we have two more
01:44:16
episodes. So that means by the end of
01:44:18
July, those episodes will be done.
01:44:22
So you got August, September, October, November, December.
01:44:26
I would hope that January or February we would get those new
01:44:29
episodes. Y'all don't need to make make us
01:44:32
wait longer than six months for a season that is already done
01:44:37
already. So let's keep our fingers
01:44:42
crossed. It's going to be January or
01:44:43
February. It could be, it could be earlier
01:44:45
if they want, but I know they're not going to do it during the
01:44:48
holidays because during the holidays you always have special
01:44:52
programming and this than others so your your your viewing
01:45:00
schedules are disrupted. So I would say probably.
01:45:04
January okay, I go with that. Okay.
01:45:10
So you have any final thoughts on episode 6?
01:45:16
Just give us the go and OK and and tell us what's going on with
01:45:22
Rachel Hunter and the bachelors on the Ridge, the bachelors of
01:45:29
the river. And it's The Bachelors.
01:45:31
Yes. I don't think it's Williams time
01:45:34
right now. That's not what William have to
01:45:36
go through right now. He may fall in love with Rachel
01:45:38
for a second, but it Rachel belongs to Ian.
01:45:42
OK, so it's not his time to shop.
01:45:43
It's not his time. His time is to figure out, you
01:45:45
know, find out about this day. OK, So you know, he has to go
01:45:50
through that. Yeah, I have feeling that's
01:45:52
going to be explosive. So with that being said, that's
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