#outlander Jamie and Claire contemplate the upcoming battle. Claire deals with ignorance once again when her offer to act as a surgeon in the field hospital is rejected. The Battle of Monmouth starts in earnest. William's rescue leads to a long-festering confrontation. Ian must go back on a promise. William's absence puts Jane in danger. A reckless act of aggression places Jamie and Claire in an deadly situation. Roger finds a way to communicate with Bree. Bree makes an important decision for the safety of her family.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle, and we are discussing the penultimate
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Season 7 episode for Outlander Episode 15, Written in my own
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heart's blood. Yay.
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No, I don't know if we're gonna say yay to that.
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We're gonna say yay. We're gonna say yay.
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Did you enjoy the episode? Is it?
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Yeah, 'cause my feelings with Jamie's a tad bit better.
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OK OK, so so here's I I have forgiven him.
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OK, so here's The funny thing about that title.
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OK, so I've read the book. I knew what was coming.
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As soon as I saw the title of the episode, I was like, oh,
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this is that episode. I don't know why it took me to
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seeing the title of the episode before it clicked to me that
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they were being very literal about written in my own Heart's
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blood. Because the same thing happens
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in the books with Claire and Jamie.
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And what happens towards the end with Claire getting shot?
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Jamie quit in his Commission by writing on Whelan's back.
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I quit in Claire's blood. Who's like Oh my God that just
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clicked. He wrote it in Claire's blood,
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his own hearts blood. I was like, I feel so dumb.
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But then I started looking online and there were other
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people who have read the books way before I did who also were
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like, wait, I just made that connection.
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So I was like, OK, I don't feel so dumb now, but I mean, I was
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waiting for you to watch this episode.
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I said OK. But and see, The thing is what?
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OK, so last week you had said did you see any spoilers?
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And I said, OK, I have only seen like in passing YouTube like
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pictures. And you're like, yeah, 'cause
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there's somebody on there where it's not the truth.
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And I was like, OK, so I did see one, but I was like, Oh yeah,
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whatever. And you say it wasn't true.
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So then I wasn't expecting her to be shot because that's what
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their little screenshot was. Oh, Claire's been shot.
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And I'm like, no, she hadn't been shot.
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I don't. Whatever.
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And then you said don't believe it.
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And then I was like, OK, so she really hadn't been shot, so I
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wasn't. Prepared for literally a
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somebody had done a graphic of a tombstone with Claire Fraser and
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it said RIP and it says Claire Claire from Outlander dies.
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I was like. Oh no, I don't see that. 1
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Because that's some bullshit if ever I saw it.
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Like first of all, anybody who pays attention to this show pays
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attention to the marketing of this show, pays attention to
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the, you know, the interviews and everything.
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We already know Claire ain't dead.
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Just like when we thought Jamie was gone, we were like they have
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a whole other season of Outlander to film.
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There is no you cannot do a Outlander show without Claire
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and Jamie. It's literally their.
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Story correct. And if you were?
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Claire, get shot. Yeah, 'cause if you were reading
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the books, I can truly understand because there was no
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other book afterwards yet, so you don't really know what is
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happening. But for the spot that I'm in, I
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know that Jamie's not going to die and I know Claire's not
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going to die, which also bothers me.
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And watching it because I feel like I am putting in all of this
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emotion for something. I know it's not going to happen
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yet. Now if this was next season and
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she got shot, I'll be like oh, this is what I'm talking about.
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Hanukkah just want to talk about what he gonna do.
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They gonna die together that but I'm saying it.
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But being so early on, I'm like oh OK, she's shot.
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She about to operate on herself. That's what I text you.
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She been operating on herself. She know what to do.
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She seemed like it, didn't she? Because she was like, OK, so the
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bullet might be in the liver. If that's the case, I'm going to
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go into shock and that will kill me, blah, blah blah.
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That useless ass Doctor Who was like, oh, there's nothing I can
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do. We know there's nothing you can
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do. She told you you were
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incompetent, like from the beginning of the episode.
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So we already knew. But Even so, when I said that,
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Doctor pissed me off. But he was actually a little bit
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better here than he was in the book because in the book, he was
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a thorough asshole throwing through.
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Like, I don't even think in the book he gave her that respect
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that he did in the show once he realized when he was like, you
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know, you're a good surgeon, Doctor Fraser.
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I don't remember him doing that at all.
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I could be mistaken. Like I said, I've only read that
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book once and I was trying to rushing through it.
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But he was when I say, oh, my God, I was like, can you get
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shot, please, Sir? Yeah.
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Because you. First of all, we talk about the
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fact that, you know, Claire doesn't get respect.
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She doesn't get the proper respect for her skill from the
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people who are quote, UN quote, more learned than she is because
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and like she said in this episode, you think that there's
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no way that a woman could do this?
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And you don't know of any colleges that would allow the
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fairest sex to come in, even with Denny sitting there
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extolling her virtues. As far as her being a surgeon,
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she's one of the best surgeons I've I've ever seen.
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I've learned so much from her. And then when the doctor even
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says, well, what are your credentials?
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He was like, excuse me, I studied here with this person.
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So when I looked it up, the person that he says is his
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cousin that he apprenticed under is actually like, he is actually
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a historical figure. He's like well known in
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medicine. And so I was like, oh, I like
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the way that they tied this together.
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But even that wasn't enough for Doctor Lakey.
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And I was like, you know what? You just need to go.
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Why? Why are you even here?
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You're not. That man made me so.
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He he, he was useless. Very much.
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So he was, he was useless, but very much yeah.
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So I so I wasn't expecting the 'cause we get right.
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So I wasn't expecting the shot at all.
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But when it was getting close to it and then those guys were
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irritating each other, I'm like, oh hell, somebody about to get
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shot. And I love the way that.
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They did the way that they did the camera work.
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Yeah, the framing of it you. See Jamie's face, you see
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Claire's face. And I again, I don't understand
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why Sam Hewin does not get more accolades for his acting than
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than he does. Because just even the, the
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subtle movement when the camera pans to his face, he does this
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thing where he looks and his face does a quick double take.
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It's almost like a jerk, as if he were the one who got shot.
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And then the facial, the facial expression is like, at first you
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think, Oh my God, he got shot. But then the way his face
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changes, it's like, even if you didn't know that Claire was the
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one that got shot, you would know it by looking at his face
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because his face changes from a realization of oh shit, I got
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shot to oh shit, she got shot. And it's very is very subtle,
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but it's very noticeable. And it's just one of the things
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that I love about his acting as this character because you can
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tell if it was him, he probably wouldn't care.
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As as Claire said in this episode, he would sacrifice his
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life, you know, for his man, for his soldiers, for the cause,
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sacrificing Claire that is not on the menu and just his
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emotion. Sorry about the camera movement.
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Apollo is walking behind my laptop.
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But just the the emotion once he realized that Claire is shot
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when he's trying to keep her from bleeding out, the
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conversation that he he's having with Lieutenant Bixby and then
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with Doctor Lakey, when Doctor Lakey says there's nothing more
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I can do for her, but there are other people I can help.
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And he basically is about to abandon Claire.
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So I think part of that was, I really think 1, he wasn't able
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to do anything. There wasn't anything.
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No, there wasn't anything. He didn't know how to do
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anything enough. I also kind of sort of feel like
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a little bit of that was ego was I told you to come inside, I
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told you to leave, I told you would get hurt and you didn't
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listen. Now this is it.
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I I just kind of feel like that was probably up there.
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It's it's both bleeding moment. Yeah, it's both.
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I mean, both as in I told you to bring your ass inside the
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church, right? And two, this and now you're
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shot and I don't know what to do, right?
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Have no idea. Like he has no idea.
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Was was gone. Denny left with the rest of them
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when they evacuated. So yeah, it was his reaction to
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all of that. And then, of course, we find out
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kind of right before Claire gets shot that of course, you know,
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battle of my mouth. We we've heard of this and
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history. We've learned of it.
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Of course they talk about it in Hamilton, which we referenced
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last week. So of course, during the battle,
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General Lee gets kind of afraid, he gets spooked, whatever.
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So he calls for a retreat of their men while Washington is
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telling them to press on. So this happens, of course, in
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the battle. Bigsby comes back and tells
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Claire about it. And so General Lee in this one
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sends Wheeling, which is one of the young soldiers under Jamie's
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command, to tell Jamie to come attend to him.
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And Jamie is like, no, I'm not going.
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And Wheeling is like, but you have to come.
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You're being commanded. Jamie was like, what?
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What part of what's coming out of my mouth?
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Did you not? Understand I'm not leaving her.
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No. Like, do you not understand the
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words that are coming out of my mouth and not leaving her?
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And they're like, you can get in trouble.
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You can be, you know, you can be shot for a traitor.
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I don't give a fuck. Do you not see me holding my
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wife's insides in right now? So what he tells Whelan to do is
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to come around. He's like, take off your shirt,
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take off your clothes. And at that point?
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Right. And I didn't know what was
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happening. Like, are we switching clothes?
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You can't pretend. No.
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Everyone knows what you look like.
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I didn't get what? Where it was going.
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Yeah, I was thinking, OK, we're gonna switch clothes.
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He's about to bloody up close so you can see I can't come.
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I wasn't expecting what he was gonna do.
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Yeah, OK. Which was to write in Claire's
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blood on Whelan's back, Sir, I quit Jay Fraser.
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And when Whelan turned around, he was like, show that to
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General Lee. He says, Sir, he's in a foul
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mood. I can't.
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He was like, show it to him. I was like, you think General
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Lee is in a foul mood now just because he got shown his ass?
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Try Jamie in a foul mood. Right, that's what you know.
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You shouldn't even just go and tell him his wife is literally
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dying in his arms. They don't.
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But see, that's the thing, they wouldn't care.
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I know, but once you see the blood, you be like, he ain't
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coming 'cause his wife is literally that's his, that's her
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blood. Can you wash it off?
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Please, right, right. But I'm so you see all the
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emotion from him and that and when when Doctor Likey leaves,
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what did he say? I hope that.
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What did he say? I hope your I hope your soul
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burns in hell and the devil soughts them first or something
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like that. I was like, oh God damn, he real
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mad. Then he was like you.
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I was like, OK, that emotion, like you get it in the book, but
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there's no way you can translate.
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Like you can't get that from the written word.
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You have to see it in the the performance.
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And he was so good in this, like Claire's on the table dying, and
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she was like, you called him a whore.
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Because you sitting there like I'm dying, but this shit funny
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right here, you just call him, right?
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Oh, OK, OK. Yeah.
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But you know, I'm always going to bring this up now.
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I'm hoping that afterwards, because Claire's going to be
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alive, I'm hoping that afterwards, Jamie, be like, you
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know what? This is what Claire felt lower
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John Gray felt and and being. People have the benefit of a
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body. No.
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So. Right.
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So maybe you can, you know, I don't know.
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I know be a little bit better, but OK.
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Yeah. But I forgave him for this
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because he he was. That had to be a lot.
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You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's different.
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It's. I'm sorry.
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It's gonna still be different. It's different when someone
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tells you, OK, your spouse is dead, OK, we don't have a body.
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They're just dead. Then there he, he came through.
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And then, yeah, so you're like, oh, my gosh, they're dead.
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I'm heartbroken, of course. But then it's different than
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what she went through where? Where he went through where she
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is dying in your arms and you can't do anything about it at
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this point. You would like man, she should
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have gave me some surgery lessons.
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To the top I. Don't.
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Think he would have been. I know he wouldn't be, I'm just
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making that joke. But I get the point.
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But see someone dying in your arms, Yeah, both of them is
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tragic, but the immediacy of I'm not sure if she's gonna live or
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die and seem like nobody around me is competent at this point
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or. Cares.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But thankfully, I would say
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this, Lieutenant Bixby, that's family now, 'cause when I say he
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did not leave Claire and Jamie's side, like from the moment he
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turned around and saw them on the ground and realized what
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happened, he was there. He was like, OK, what you need,
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You need me to do this. You need me to do that, OK?
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Like, even when Jamie was writing the resignation letter
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on Whelan's back, Bixby was the one that was there holding on to
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Claire, trying to make sure that she didn't bleed out.
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Bixby, you family now 'cause when I say if, I don't think, I
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think if it wasn't for him, the situation might have gone a lot
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more. It might have been more chaotic.
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Yeah, it would. Jamie.
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Jamie had something. Not only was he focused on
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Claire, but he had something to also kind of make him focus.
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Because in order for Bixby to know what it is you need for him
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to do, you have to focus long enough to tell him.
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And you know, when Claire, before she passes out or
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whatever she says, Denzel, I need Denzel.
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Jame is like, OK, I need you to go find him.
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Bixby takes off, doesn't. Question.
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Doesn't say nothing, doesn't hesitate.
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I need you to go find Denzel Hunter.
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Sure. And he comes back with Denzel
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and Rachel. And, you know, Denzel had to sit
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there and look at that situation and.
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You're like, OK. Right.
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Like OK so the greatest surgeon that I know is sitting on this
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table. Like he literally just said that
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not too long ago. What am I supposed to do?
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How am I supposed to do this? How do I not fuck this up?
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Because at this point, they are family.
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Now they are family. And you know that he's sitting
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there and he's thinking like, Oh my God, how do I fix this?
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How do I fix this? But I mean, I have all
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confidence in Denzel because because he learned from he.
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Yeah, he learned from her. So I, I that's why I was like,
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OK, he's back. He'll figure it, you know what
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I'm saying? He'll figure it out.
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And what helped was Lafayette having those nasty cheeses
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delivered. Yes, because Claire was like,
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wait, is Roquefort in there? She said the, you know, the
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cheese is a mold. You can use that to make a
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poultice for after, I guess, stave off any infection or
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whatever. You know what, we like the
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marquee. We love him because he was like,
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oh, for Madam Frazier. Yes, let me send this.
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So I, I, I love that part, but it was even before all of this
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happened. One of the things about
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Outlander, I know we have some issues with Jamie and the way
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that he is behaving towards Lord John and just.
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The. General behavior, but going back
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to the beginning of the episode, 1 of the things that Outlander
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has always done best is the romance, whether it be, you
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know, very explicit love scenes or if it even if it's just
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subtle conversation. And I think the conversation
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that we see Jamie have with Claire in the beginning when
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he's telling her about how her love heals him, how it takes
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away all of his pains, all of his scars and everything.
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And then you see the conversation that's the
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flashback for them to the night before them sitting up under the
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stars talking about how to sort of like Destiny and and about
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war and Claire saying something feels different this time.
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Yeah. It is one of those things where
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even without all of the other stuff, this is the core of who
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Jamie and Claire are. This is what Draw drew us all
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into the show. Their romance, their love for
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each other. It's it's what what endures
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through all of the chaos. And I mean, we've talked about
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it before. Their life is so chaotic.
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And even when they reunited, Claire was like, I just don't
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know if we belong together because everything's always
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happen when we get together. And that is true.
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But you also see them push through it and it's like they
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always come out stronger for it. And we know that that's going to
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be the case here too. Like whatever whatever tension
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they may have had over this whole Lord John thing, this
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needs to be. Over.
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It ends on this table. It ends on this table because,
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because I know in Jamie's mind, Jamie is like, you know what?
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What the fuck am I mad for? She's still here.
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She still loves me. We're we're still.
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Whole. You know, anything that comes
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before that, whatever, it's not going to be anything.
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And I understand how she must have felt, right?
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And I understand how she must have felt.
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And like I said, with with you being lost at sea, there is no
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closure. If that was the case, what would
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have happened if you would have never made it back or if you it
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had taken more than a few months, it could have been a
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year, and Jamie would have showed up.
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So yeah, I, I really think that this puts things into
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perspective for him. And again, it's just one of the
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things that Outlander does so well.
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Everything always comes back to Jamie and Claire.
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And you see it illustrated very beautifully in this episode.
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And I was just like, OK, if this doesn't melt Michelle's heart
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and be like, OK, you know what? We're OK.
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We can still. I mean, I'm I'm OK with him, but
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I'm still hoping that he fixed his relationship.
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Lord John to Grant. Cause Lord John doesn't save
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William, like in a big way. Yeah, he has.
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I'm just saying I'm just hoping that it it does, yeah 'cause if
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not then I'll be mad again next week.
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Yeah. No, they'll be, they've been
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saved this week. They'll be fine.
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Because look, Lord John and Ian were able to go save William, so
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I feel like that would pardon Lord John and Jamie's eyes.
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But now we got to work on William 'cause now that we is
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safe, he is letting the emotions fly.
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And you know what? It's OK though.
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It is 'cause I'm sorry, I have to say he handed Lord John his
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ass and he was very, he was very right to do so.
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He was like, so you raised me to believe that an honorable man
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was like of the being an honorable man was of the utmost
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importance. You raised me to, to believe
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that, you know, a person who lies is untrustworthy and all
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this other stuff. And Lord John is just looking at
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him is like stick the knife in, stick the knife in, stick the
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knife in. I was just like, yeah, I don't
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know if this is the time or place to have this conversation
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because I feel like William could have had a lot more to
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say. And, you know, having it, having
00:22:31
this conversation the way that they did just kind of quick and
00:22:34
and short, like he allowed William to get some of that
00:22:38
anger out. But yeah, no, they need to have
00:22:40
a proper sit down talk because. Yeah, they do.
00:22:43
William has a lot of right to feel the way that he does.
00:22:47
And even when Lord John is chastising him and he was like
00:22:52
William. He was like William who?
00:22:54
Ransom Ellesmere Fraser, like who am I was, What is my name?
00:22:58
Who who am I at my core? And I love that Lord John just
00:23:02
tells me you're my son. And William kind of startles and
00:23:05
he was like, you're my. Son.
00:23:07
What your name is I don't give a fuck.
00:23:10
Right, like Boo infancy to now, right?
00:23:15
You're my kid. I'm confused.
00:23:17
And then and then the person that you would have named is a
00:23:20
honorable man and it's fantastic.
00:23:25
Yeah. And then I want William to turn
00:23:27
around and say only because you're in love with him.
00:23:29
But no. I don't even think William sees
00:23:31
that at this. Point No, he doesn't, but it was
00:23:32
nice because I was just thinking my head.
00:23:35
He turned around and say that because the way John was talking
00:23:37
about, he'd be like, Oh, you like him?
00:23:40
Yeah, yeah, I I think he would, but one would.
00:23:43
Not he's not on that page. He's too heated too.
00:23:46
I think also he's a little too naive.
00:23:50
He is. He doesn't know that about his
00:23:52
dad anyway, so that doesn't it, no.
00:23:55
And he probably doesn't have a lot of experience seeing that
00:23:59
because of course, back then it's it's illegal.
00:24:01
So it's not like you would see two men prancing around anyway.
00:24:07
So I just don't think that's in his mind.
00:24:11
But it is interesting because, you know, we had the
00:24:14
conversation last episode about his relationship with Jane and
00:24:19
how I feel like she would be good for him because she's going
00:24:22
to make him look at things differently than the way his
00:24:26
world. View has been since birth, like
00:24:29
she's going to challenge him looking at people who are quote
00:24:33
UN quote beneath him and just the Grays of things 'cause he's
00:24:37
so black and white that he'll start seeing that there's so
00:24:41
many different shades of stuff, so you can't just take it as it
00:24:45
right or wrong. Yeah, because he raised you to
00:24:48
be. Right, He raised you to be
00:24:50
honorable, but there are some things you just not going to
00:24:53
walk around and be telling truths to.
00:24:55
That's not necessary. Just like the whole thing when
00:24:58
he said I'm never, you know, never is a powerful word.
00:25:02
Like don't ever say you would never do something because what
00:25:06
was it in the last episode when we had the flashback with Hal
00:25:09
and Lord John, Hal told John, he said, please promise me that you
00:25:16
will never give in to the idea of American independency.
00:25:22
Lord John said never. And then in the next scene we
00:25:25
see him taking the oath of the rebels because he's trying to
00:25:29
stay alive and he he's in a camp full of enemies.
00:25:33
So I think with this, you know, even though William is sitting
00:25:39
there and he again, he's focused on the fact that James Fraser is
00:25:43
a traitor, he, you know, he went against King Country.
00:25:47
I would never go against King Country.
00:25:49
And that's when Laura Johns says never was a powerful word.
00:25:52
Yeah, that's not underestimated. There's different things you may
00:25:55
have to do for the situation and you.
00:25:57
And luckily, Jane is going to teach him that when he rescues
00:26:03
her. Yeah, but I mean, but even
00:26:07
before that, just, I hope he really thinks about what Lord
00:26:12
John says about Jamie because he was like, he's an honorable man.
00:26:16
He's a fine swords man. He's this, he's that.
00:26:19
And yes, it does sound like you can tell he's in love with him
00:26:23
if you're looking at those signs.
00:26:24
But even if not. He just has A and not
00:26:27
necessarily I was joking about respect for him, but he has a
00:26:30
deep, he has a deep connection and deep feelings for him.
00:26:34
Yeah, and he was like, look, that is, and he has said this
00:26:37
before. That is my friend.
00:26:39
Like if you didn't, if you don't understand the depth of feeling
00:26:45
that he has for Jamie as a friend, just as a friend, let's
00:26:50
take all the other stuff out of it.
00:26:52
Just as a friend. This man married his wife, a
00:26:58
rebel, in order to keep her from being killed and told you that
00:27:04
that was the that was the the most bidding tribute he could
00:27:08
give to his friend was to save the wife that he loved so much.
00:27:14
Dude, read the room. But again, William is young,
00:27:18
he's naive. He, he has a very limited
00:27:20
worldview about all these types of things because he's grown up
00:27:24
sheltered, He's grown up privileged.
00:27:27
So he's got to come out of that. And I, I think this situation
00:27:32
and then now the situation with Jane, because while he was off
00:27:36
being kidnapped and, and, you know, kept prisoner, Jane has
00:27:40
gotten in trouble because one of the soldiers who recognized her
00:27:45
from the brothel, saw her in the camp, realized that she was the
00:27:49
reason that Harkness is dead and arrested her and took her for
00:27:55
whatever they're going to do. I don't know if they're going to
00:27:57
do a trial, but you know, when Fanny comes to him and tells him
00:28:01
what happens, she asks the question.
00:28:03
She's like, are they going to hang her?
00:28:05
And William is like, oh, shit, no, they're not going to hang
00:28:08
her. But I mean, they very well
00:28:09
could. She killed, she killed an
00:28:10
officer. Very.
00:28:12
Much so again, that's going to be something that is going to
00:28:16
challenge William's viewpoint because I know well, did you,
00:28:25
because did you watch the the promo for the next episode?
00:28:30
No, I have not. OK, so I did see a picture
00:28:34
though. So would you see a picture of?
00:28:38
Just her in the bed and Lord John Gray sitting there and
00:28:44
Jamie behind him, I think it was.
00:28:46
Oh, Claire. OK, Yeah, OK.
00:28:47
No. So that was.
00:28:49
That's the only the only patient.
00:28:52
OK, so I think that was because it was in the article or?
00:28:55
Something OK, so I'll just say this is not really spoilery.
00:28:59
William does go to Lord John and says, hey, I need your help.
00:29:02
So I'm guessing he's going to go to his father to see if he can
00:29:06
help get Jane out because of course Lord John is a decorator
00:29:10
officer. He kind of has some pull, but I
00:29:14
think what's going to happen with that is William is going to
00:29:20
be reminded of his viewpoints towards being privileged and the
00:29:27
people who are quote UN quote beneath him.
00:29:29
Because I don't think Lord John is going to help because of what
00:29:34
the situation is. She, one, she's a whore.
00:29:38
Two, she committed murder, cold blooded murder.
00:29:42
You know, even though she was justified in our eyes, in the
00:29:47
British Army's eyes, she's not because how dare you kill a man
00:29:52
for trying to do what he paid for?
00:29:55
That's the way they're going to look at it and.
00:29:58
Yeah, they are. I think Lord John is probably at
00:30:02
this point going to be thinking about their reputation like, OK,
00:30:06
so are we really going to try to challenge the British Army over
00:30:11
quote again, a whore? And I don't think I don't think
00:30:17
it would be Lord John not wanting to help just because of
00:30:21
that. But he is the he is the one in
00:30:24
all of this that has to think about appearances.
00:30:27
He has to think about the optics.
00:30:29
And just like when he went to talk to his nephew and Mercy and
00:30:33
he told them why they couldn't get married and he gave his
00:30:36
reasonings to Claire, he has to think about the way certain
00:30:40
things will look. Of course, you know, he kind of
00:30:44
threw that to the side with his whole marriage to Claire.
00:30:47
But maybe that situation as well, including the consequences
00:30:51
of it with what happened with Jamie, is making him think like,
00:30:55
OK, you know what? No, we got to be on the straight
00:30:58
and narrow with this. This is how we need to react.
00:31:01
This is what we need to do. So I think William is going to
00:31:04
find out in a very harsh way that having those kind of
00:31:10
principles is not, again, it's it's not a black and white
00:31:14
thing. There are those Shades of Grey.
00:31:17
And he's going to have to, I think, either figure out
00:31:20
something else or he's going to have to go to maybe Ian or maybe
00:31:25
even Jamie, because Jamie and Ian are the two people who will
00:31:29
probably be like, oh, she's in trouble, you care about her.
00:31:33
OK, let's go. And they'll they'll probably do
00:31:36
it without hesitation. They won't ask questions.
00:31:39
They won't care that she's a whore or if she was a lady of
00:31:43
the they, they wouldn't care. All they're going to care about
00:31:45
is William cares about her. She needs to be rescued.
00:31:49
OK, let's go. Yeah, So do she's important,
00:31:52
right? So he's about to have his world
00:31:55
challenged in in quite a few ways.
00:31:58
And let's just hope it has the results that that we need.
00:32:03
We need him to rescue Jane and bring her back to her sister.
00:32:07
We need him to kind of rearrange his thoughts or kind of just
00:32:14
just open his mind a little bit and say, you know what, maybe
00:32:18
this guy is not as bad as I think because.
00:32:21
Right, because. He's all about it.
00:32:23
You. You loved him.
00:32:24
Once right and it's all the things that you were raised that
00:32:28
a man should be. That's why this understanding
00:32:32
that things is like a never situation or it's either this
00:32:35
way or that way, just the circumstances of and it was
00:32:40
nothing wrong with your mom or what happened like the
00:32:42
circumstance of your birth. That's what they needed to do
00:32:46
and they did the right thing. And no, he shouldn't have told
00:32:48
you. Maybe later in life, but not
00:32:52
growing up because that could have changed things.
00:32:54
You could have been in danger. So just understand they did what
00:32:57
was right and they loved you. Everyone loved you.
00:33:01
Some people don't get that. Yeah, Jane is she's loving her
00:33:04
sister, but they didn't have that.
00:33:06
So, dude, get yourself together. It's all right.
00:33:10
He he he has time. We hope.
00:33:15
'Cause we don't, 'cause we don't know what the we don't know what
00:33:17
the time frame is like. We don't know how long it takes
00:33:20
to get from the British camp to where they were holding him and
00:33:25
how long it took to get back. We don't know how long Jane has
00:33:28
been gone. So it's just kind of he has
00:33:32
time, but he really doesn't he he is racing against the clock
00:33:36
now. Because if if especially with
00:33:39
the way that they're going to look at her as someone who is
00:33:43
not a noteworthy person killing a British officer, they're going
00:33:48
to look to make an example of her.
00:33:51
You know, especially if you have someone who's like like, we
00:33:55
don't even know who she's been taken to.
00:33:57
But if you have like Captain Richardson and we already know
00:34:01
what Captain Richardson is and what he's trying to do, if he
00:34:04
realizes that this is someone that William Kill cares for, and
00:34:08
then he finds out that William is not in fact dead at this
00:34:11
point, he may use Jane, kill Jane just to try to get that
00:34:17
advantage against William and Lord John, Greg again.
00:34:20
And that is something we just, we really don't need her to be
00:34:23
made upon. She's gone through enough in her
00:34:26
life. So I hope they rescue her really
00:34:33
soon and we can look, we need Claire to to get well, we need
00:34:41
Jane to be rescued, and we need Jamie and Lord John to just kiss
00:34:45
and make up and be done with it. Yeah, no shit going on with
00:34:51
right? So let's move on.
00:34:58
I want a Roger and Buck show. I want to see them in a spin off
00:35:06
or something. They can I I don't care when I
00:35:09
say I love this bromance. I love it.
00:35:16
I. But because it's like he's
00:35:18
saying, like, you're my son, you know?
00:35:25
Like, aren't you all my sons? Like right, right.
00:35:28
And and isn't it? But it is true.
00:35:30
I mean, just I'm not going to be able to get it back to my other
00:35:33
son. But you are my son that I'm
00:35:35
currently with who didn't help my other son.
00:35:38
And I'm here for this. Yeah, but I'm here to help.
00:35:42
I thought that was like the best thing ever, though, when he said
00:35:44
that. I loved it.
00:35:45
I loved it. I was just like.
00:35:47
Can we? Keep.
00:35:48
But. But I did feel him when he was
00:35:50
like, well, you could have told me.
00:35:52
You got to say something to your parent.
00:35:54
Yeah, your dad maybe. I want to say something about
00:35:56
mom and dad too. I'm like, dude, that wasn't the
00:35:59
time it. It wasn't, and they were.
00:36:01
Hooking up. Question.
00:36:03
He was like, so your dad's a traveler, you're a traveler,
00:36:07
your son's a traveler. I'm a traveler.
00:36:09
He was like, so do you think my parents are travelers?
00:36:11
And Roger was like, oh, so we're about to have that conversation.
00:36:15
Not your dad. I don't know about your dad, but
00:36:17
your mom is but your Mama. And he was like.
00:36:20
Well, who's my mom? Yeah, 'cause when Roger was
00:36:23
looking at him, he was like, oh, come on now, it can't be any
00:36:26
worse than you telling me the year I died, right Then when he
00:36:31
finds out it's gay. Listen, and Dougal, I will say
00:36:36
this, I'm very glad of the reaction that he had because he
00:36:40
was like, you let me sit there and talk to her like an ignorant
00:36:43
fool. Because in the books it's a
00:36:49
little more different because of course in the books, you know,
00:36:54
you spend a little bit more time with the characters because we
00:36:57
don't have the constraints of trying to fit everything in a
00:37:00
one hour show. So there's a lot of interactions
00:37:06
and background that we have not seen on the show, not just with
00:37:10
Buck and any of the characters, but just in general.
00:37:14
So in the books, there is a little bit of a flirtation
00:37:19
between Galis and Buck. And it's it's weird because of
00:37:24
course, Davis is a type. She flirts with any attractive
00:37:27
man she sees. Buck, of course, is flirting
00:37:30
with her because he doesn't know that this is his mother.
00:37:34
And Rodgers just kind of suddenly trying to tell him, no,
00:37:36
you don't want to mess with that.
00:37:38
You don't want to mess with that.
00:37:39
And yes, he tells, he tells Buck about her history first,
00:37:42
thinking that's enough to deter him.
00:37:44
But there is like, Buck has an attraction to her and he can't
00:37:48
figure it out. And it's just kind of it comes
00:37:53
across in the book like he might have a sexual attraction towards
00:37:57
her, but of course he doesn't know that's his mother.
00:38:00
So it would be weird to him to do that.
00:38:03
So when the conversation finally comes out and he learns that
00:38:07
that's his mother, there is a bit of a push and pull between
00:38:12
Buck because he knows now in his head that gave us is his mom,
00:38:18
but his body is still thinking about her in another way.
00:38:23
And so I don't know how they're gonna do it in the show, but in
00:38:27
the books, he and Roger, at some point, they go their separate
00:38:33
ways. Roger goes to continue on his
00:38:36
search, but Buck decides to stay where he is because he if if I
00:38:45
read correctly there, there's someone else who comes into play
00:38:52
here in the stories. I don't know if they're going to
00:38:55
bring them in the show, so I'm not going to spoil it, but this
00:38:58
person is in a kind of sort of relationship with Galas, but he
00:39:05
kind of gets pushed to the side because she also has an
00:39:08
interesting book. So it comes across in the books
00:39:10
is very kind of incestuous, kind of weird.
00:39:14
You don't know if they actually hooked up, but the implication
00:39:17
is there that they might. And I was just kind of like,
00:39:21
this is going to be so squeaky if they do it on screen.
00:39:24
So the fact that he. Had the kind of reaction that he
00:39:28
had. I'm hoping they don't go in that
00:39:30
direction because that would make me lose any kind of respect
00:39:34
that I've gained for Buck at this time.
00:39:36
Like, OK, I understand. She's an attractive woman, you
00:39:39
can say. She has, but yeah, she is.
00:39:43
But she also has a strong aura about it too, which I can get.
00:39:46
And the thing about it is it it'll be different if they set
00:39:51
it up in the beginning when he was super attracted to her.
00:39:53
And then now he's like, I'm so conflicting feelings and stuff.
00:39:58
But now they didn't really show that.
00:40:00
So then for him to know and he wants to have a conversation
00:40:03
with his parents. Don't turn it into something
00:40:05
sexual now. Yeah, we don't need that.
00:40:08
We're good, Yeah. And I and I also love what he
00:40:13
told to Roger because, you know, one of the things that we always
00:40:17
talk about is them coming back or them, you know, what are they
00:40:22
doing that's actually changing the past or what's changing
00:40:27
history or any of that? And Rodger is basically like,
00:40:31
yeah, so I probably shouldn't have brought you with me because
00:40:35
because of all the stuff. And Buck was like, but think
00:40:38
about it. If your son hadn't have come
00:40:41
back, if we hadn't been looking for your father, he said, think
00:40:45
about it. My parents had not met before.
00:40:50
We were sitting in their house. If we hadn't come back, would
00:40:54
they have ever met at all? Would I be here and in, you
00:40:59
know, turn? Would you be here?
00:41:01
Neither one of us would be here if we hadn't come back to this
00:41:04
moment, if we hadn't have been sitting in her house at that
00:41:08
moment, if you hadn't been looking for your father.
00:41:11
So it's kind of like all these things have a cause and.
00:41:14
Effect at but at the same. Time.
00:41:16
We don't know, You know, I always make this joke.
00:41:19
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
00:41:22
You know, did they come back in time because they were looking
00:41:24
for Jim, or was Jeremiah sent back in time for this event, for
00:41:30
this series of events to happen? It's just kind of like there's
00:41:32
no way for you to know. But what you do know is that if
00:41:35
Dougal and Galas had not met right then and right there, but
00:41:39
may not have existed at all, they wouldn't have gotten
00:41:42
together. And granted, even though Buck
00:41:44
wasn't born until years later, because this is what night 1737
00:41:51
or 1739? Claire doesn't get there till
00:41:53
19401743. So it's still a few years off.
00:41:58
But that meeting that put them in each other's, you know, line
00:42:05
of sight. So I think it's a very full
00:42:08
circle moment for them. And again, like I said, I just,
00:42:13
I love that. I love that dynamic.
00:42:16
And then when we find out what happened with him and his his
00:42:21
wife, again, I don't know if it's the way that they wrote the
00:42:27
story or wrote the dialogue. But the way that he tells it at
00:42:31
first, when you listen to it and he talks about her being
00:42:37
heartbroken over finding out that the person that she loved
00:42:40
was messing around with someone else.
00:42:41
And he goes to the barn and he comforts her.
00:42:44
It almost comes across not very romantic.
00:42:50
It comes across like, yeah, well, she was there and she, you
00:42:53
know, she was worse for the drink.
00:42:55
And I took it. That's the way it comes across
00:42:57
like he took advantage of her. And I was like, oh, please don't
00:43:00
do that because it sounds, it sounds very creepy.
00:43:04
It sounds almost very rapey. And I don't want to think that
00:43:07
this is the case. I think, I think in the books,
00:43:10
again, going back to that, I think she was the aggressor in
00:43:14
that particular situation because she was upset because
00:43:17
she was pissed. And I think she was like, what
00:43:19
if he can do that? Then I can do this.
00:43:22
I wish they had shown that a little bit more because in a
00:43:24
way, it kind of the way he he told the story, it sounded like
00:43:28
he was just kind of creeping. And then all of a sudden she's
00:43:32
pregnant. I take her to America and it
00:43:34
just sounds very. And and I realized this is
00:43:38
normal for that period of time, but it's very controlling.
00:43:41
It sounds. It does, yeah.
00:43:44
But in the beginning I was feeling the same way.
00:43:46
I'm saying, oh, crap, you are not going to say that you like
00:43:50
rape this woman. I did.
00:43:51
And but then when as he kept telling the story, I see where
00:43:54
he was saying it was his fault. I think he was rude.
00:43:57
It did come across later that he just knew who she really cared
00:44:01
about and he took more advantage of the opportunity.
00:44:08
So like it sound like, yeah, he did go with go to her and he's
00:44:12
been drinking, but she was like open to it because of the
00:44:15
situation, even though he knew she really did care for that
00:44:18
man. But hey, I care for her.
00:44:20
So I'm gonna take take this opportunity, right.
00:44:24
And he took the opportunity. And then when they came with the
00:44:27
baby, he was like, oh, I still I really still want her even
00:44:31
though I know truly that's not who she wants to be with.
00:44:35
Yeah. And that's how he did her
00:44:37
injustice. So, but in the beginning,
00:44:39
though, in the slight beginning, coming across like, did you, are
00:44:44
you about to say you raped her? Especially when you started off
00:44:48
by saying I'm not a good man, right?
00:44:51
I was like, so? But then I realized, OK, you're
00:44:54
saying you're not a good man because you knew she really
00:44:56
loved someone else and you didn't let her be with that
00:44:59
person. Right and not.
00:45:01
Until now and then pregnant. You married her, and then
00:45:04
because of your insecurity over who she loved, you took her away
00:45:09
from her country, took her to North Carolina.
00:45:11
And I, I thought it was so funny.
00:45:14
And I love the fact that when he said after the troubles at
00:45:17
Alamance and they both kind of tip their tip their drink, like,
00:45:21
OK, yeah. Because those troubles were when
00:45:25
he got Rodger hung. Right, And now you see really
00:45:32
where that came from because he's always questioning, will
00:45:36
she go off with another man or find the love of her life?
00:45:41
Like I'm a constant. I'm not good enough for her
00:45:44
because that's I'm not who she wants to be with.
00:45:48
So now Roger can see like, oh man, you just been living in
00:45:52
basically fear and insecurity about what's going to happen.
00:45:56
That's why he's like, I ain't going back.
00:45:58
She probably with her her original Boo right now.
00:46:00
Right after all these years and after three children, really.
00:46:04
But, I mean, stranger things happens.
00:46:07
Yeah. People do it.
00:46:08
Yeah, and I guess, you know, like what Claire and Jamie been
00:46:12
through, he said she'll be better off.
00:46:15
You know, either she'll be she'll be with him or she'll be
00:46:18
with her father. But either way it goes.
00:46:20
I think he he felt like, OK, you know what?
00:46:23
That's a situation where I love her enough to let her go because
00:46:26
I didn't, I I wasn't fair to her when we were together.
00:46:30
And the fact that he's willing to risk seeing his children
00:46:35
again, that's how you know how how much guilt he feels about
00:46:40
that 'cause he was like, you know what, they might be living
00:46:42
a better life. Because also, if he does go
00:46:48
back, what can he say to her? How do you explain where you've
00:46:54
been gone that long? And and again, not be taken for
00:47:01
a witch. This, remember, this is in the
00:47:03
times when they are trying people for witchcraft.
00:47:06
I mean, Claire and Gaylis, their trial is just a few years down
00:47:11
the road. So it's just kind of one of
00:47:13
those moments where now he needs to figure out his place in the
00:47:17
world and where he belongs. And I really, really hope like I
00:47:23
don't like I said he and Rodger, they go their separate ways in
00:47:26
the book, but I really hope that they find a way to keep him in
00:47:30
the store because I I just love his character.
00:47:32
I love their dynamic. Like, I'm gonna be honest, I
00:47:35
kind of like seeing Buck and Roger more than I like seeing
00:47:39
Roger and Brianna right now. Yeah, saying that I want them to
00:47:43
get back together, but it's just kind of, it's a different, I
00:47:47
think it's a different vibe because with Roger and Brianna,
00:47:52
you kind of, I almost want to say you don't really get to see
00:47:58
Rodger be his own person because he's part of the unit.
00:48:03
It's kind of like Jamie and Claire, Jamie and Claire, Roger
00:48:06
and Brianna, you always see them together.
00:48:08
It's all about the kids. It's about, again, their shared
00:48:11
trauma because they're afraid, you know, they're part of Fraser
00:48:14
family. You, you can't be part of that
00:48:16
family without some kind of drama.
00:48:18
But it's always about that. And you never get to see Rodger
00:48:21
kind of be himself, not in the way that we saw him before they
00:48:27
came to the past. You know, Rodger was his own
00:48:30
person. We got to see him teaching at
00:48:32
Oxford. And you got to see a little bit
00:48:34
of his personality. And, you know, so seeing him
00:48:37
with Buck and also, you know, going through this journey of
00:48:42
looking for Jim, finding his father, putting those missing
00:48:47
pieces and questions into his mind, seeing the person that he
00:48:51
is becoming as a part of it. And then not only that, but
00:48:54
having this relationship with this relative who, you know, a
00:48:58
few years ago, y'all would have killed each other.
00:49:01
It's just been so refreshing. And again, the dynamic between
00:49:06
the two is wonderful. So I want to keep Buck.
00:49:11
And I, I feel like Rodger needed it and Buck needed it, yeah.
00:49:15
And that's how he end up where he was.
00:49:18
Yeah. Oh, and that's the other thing
00:49:19
because, OK, this is this is the thing I was trying to verbalize
00:49:24
because we only see Roger now in terms of his relationship with
00:49:29
the Frazier's because he has no other family.
00:49:32
So it's nice to see him have family of his own for once with
00:49:37
his father, even though that was so brief.
00:49:40
But still, it gives him a sense of who he is.
00:49:42
And then a book. And I just, I want Rodger to
00:49:46
have his own, you know, his own little slice.
00:49:50
Of whatever, right? Which means after this I'm have
00:49:53
some questions about book but OK move on.
00:49:56
OK. But yeah, so OK.
00:49:59
But while they're having these conversations they are at, they
00:50:03
are back at Lila Brock because Rodger says he can think of only
00:50:08
one other thing to do to kind of push his family together.
00:50:14
Because again, Brianna does not know where Rodger is.
00:50:19
Rodger knows where Brianna is, but he's still not 100% sure of
00:50:23
where Jim is. Jim could still be there in 1739
00:50:26
or he could have never left 1980.
00:50:29
He has no way of knowing. But what he's decided to do was
00:50:32
he writes a letter, and he puts it in that secret drawer that's
00:50:37
in the desk in Lallybrot because that is the same desk that's
00:50:42
still sitting there in the study.
00:50:44
And, you know, he discovered the secret compartment when they
00:50:47
first moved in. So he puts the letter there.
00:50:50
At the same time, in the 1980s, Brianna has decided that she and
00:50:55
the kids, for their own safety because Rob Cameron and his
00:50:58
folks keep coming after them, she's decided that they need to
00:51:02
go to Rodger. They need to go back to the
00:51:04
past. And so she writes a letter to
00:51:08
Rodger, and she gets ready to put it in that same drawer.
00:51:13
And when she does, she finds the letter addressed her.
00:51:15
And she was like, oh, my God, what is this?
00:51:17
And when she reads it, the first line is, dear Bree, something
00:51:21
happened. I didn't, I didn't end up where
00:51:24
I was supposed to be. And she looks at the date and
00:51:27
it's 1739, and she was like, what the hell?
00:51:31
So she reads Roger's letter where he gives her a brief
00:51:35
synopsis. This is where I ended up, blah,
00:51:37
blah, blah. I will find a way to put our
00:51:39
family back together. Because again, he doesn't know
00:51:41
where Jim is. He's not going to leave until he
00:51:44
knows for sure. So at this point.
00:51:46
But he should, but again, I think they have a knowledge and
00:51:49
he should realize your son is not there and I go home and try
00:51:54
again. I think he does, but at the.
00:51:57
Same, but it's the writing. I know it's the writing.
00:52:00
I, I won't even say it's the writing.
00:52:02
I I think for everything that's telling him that Jim is not
00:52:07
there. Yes, and the reason he was
00:52:10
there. If there is a small piece of him
00:52:14
that thinks there is a possibility, I don't think he
00:52:18
will leave without knowing for certain that Jim is not there,
00:52:22
because what happens if he goes back home and he finds out Jim
00:52:25
is not? There right, he has to go back,
00:52:28
but he knows like they have said it several times.
00:52:31
He even feels it like he was there for like really they
00:52:35
realized the second reason 1 you put Buck's parents together and
00:52:39
two, you really the most important thing was your dad and
00:52:44
again, that's what you were thinking of.
00:52:46
Everyone been telling you weird people they have seen your son
00:52:51
has nowhere been one of them. So at this point in time it is
00:52:56
like we tell kids when there's emergency, there's a place to go
00:52:59
to if you cannot get back home. Well, right now your home is the
00:53:05
base. You need to get back home and
00:53:08
regroup because you don't know. Or you can go through the stones
00:53:12
again and think of your son and guess where you're going to end
00:53:15
up. Home.
00:53:16
Yeah, but you know he's not there.
00:53:19
Yeah, because. But you end up thinking about it
00:53:22
at the end. Is that loose liver that's no
00:53:25
one has seen the extra kid. I understand that.
00:53:28
But I mean, if you think about parents and nowadays and present
00:53:32
time, when you have parents who have children who have been
00:53:35
kidnapped, who have been missing, kids who have run away,
00:53:39
even when people are telling them, OK, the child is not here,
00:53:42
the child is most likely dead or whatever, that small sliver of
00:53:46
hope is enough. It's sliver of hope, but you
00:53:49
also have a good feeling and they be going by the good
00:53:51
feeling that their kid is still alive and their kid is there.
00:53:55
But the but your good feeling is saying, man, we put ourselves at
00:53:58
a different time to do this. Your good is telling you that
00:54:02
Yes, but. And then there's evidence to
00:54:04
back it up. That time because you are going
00:54:07
through time, you can't afford to make a small mistake.
00:54:10
You can't, but you know you can get home.
00:54:13
You are not where your son is. I know, but he you are nowhere
00:54:17
near and you know it. It's not 100% for him.
00:54:21
It's not but the sad part is. Well as a as ATV watcher I'm
00:54:26
admit they have said it so many times I don't know in the book
00:54:29
he had doubts. They are literally saying out
00:54:32
loud like oh I know he is not here.
00:54:36
I know, but. But you still there.
00:54:38
But you still, I mean, it's just like, just like him going
00:54:41
through the stones, he was focused on Jim, focused on Jim.
00:54:45
He had to his dad. He had that one little sliver of
00:54:48
thought about his dad and boom, he ended up somewhere he wasn't
00:54:50
supposed to be or somewhere which was great.
00:54:53
Didn't think he was right, which was great.
00:54:55
So you still go through the stones again and be like.
00:55:01
My son, my son, my son, my son, my son.
00:55:03
But we have to remember, Michelle, they don't know what
00:55:08
effect the Stones will have on them going back and forth.
00:55:11
No, no, no, listen, they don't know what effect going through
00:55:15
the stones multiple times will have on their body.
00:55:17
You saw what happened to Buck when they came back through.
00:55:21
He had issues with his heart. So it's not like you can just be
00:55:25
like, oh, I'm going to go back home to 1980 and oh, if he's not
00:55:28
there, OK, I'm going to go back through.
00:55:29
What happens if they go back to 1980?
00:55:31
So then your next, so your next thing is maybe not go home, but
00:55:36
again, think of your son and hopefully that places you where
00:55:39
he is currently. Because guess what your wife is
00:55:42
about to do What, what is your wife about to do?
00:55:45
What's your wife about to do? Oh, I, I know, but see.
00:55:49
But see, here's the thing. She ready to go through the
00:55:51
stones. But she doesn't have a split
00:55:52
focus because she knows where her children.
00:55:54
Are no. But what?
00:55:55
That's not what I'm saying. If we all about that's taking
00:55:58
risks, Jamie and Claire will take that risk.
00:56:00
I understand going back and forth through the stones may
00:56:03
cause issues, but if you're willing to take your kids back
00:56:06
and forth through the stones, you can try to do it one more
00:56:10
time when you know where you are isn't where your son is.
00:56:14
Because what if he is in real danger in another location?
00:56:17
I get you. I that's what I'm saying.
00:56:21
The clues that you're, you're saying, the clues you keep
00:56:24
saying, Oh my gosh, this is not the time we will put here for
00:56:28
another reason. You can attempt to try again.
00:56:32
You may need to leave Buck because Buck may have some heart
00:56:34
disease or something going on with him.
00:56:37
But if your wife is willing to risk it to get to you, you can
00:56:42
risk it to go home to check or not even go home to check.
00:56:47
But in your heart say, my son is my home, my son, my son, my son.
00:56:51
I cleared my issues with my dad, but my son, 'cause my son needs
00:56:55
a dad. Where is my son?
00:56:58
You could try. Yeah.
00:57:01
And then leave her another letter.
00:57:03
That's all I'm going to say, 'cause she's willing to take,
00:57:07
she wouldn't take everybody with her and she'll know when she
00:57:11
going. They just dress for the season.
00:57:14
They're like, OK, we're going to dress for this time.
00:57:16
If we make it, we make it. If we don't, we don't baby all
00:57:19
y'all just think of y'all dad but he messed up at.
00:57:23
Least. She knows where he is because
00:57:25
because he yeah, that's true. But she still got two other
00:57:28
people who got brains of their own.
00:57:30
So you got to make sure they focus.
00:57:32
Well, but, but again, they don't.
00:57:35
They don't. If all they're thinking about is
00:57:38
Roger, they have no reason to think about anything else.
00:57:40
No, I'm just saying they're sitting right here.
00:57:44
They're focusing, not going to be split.
00:57:46
But the risk, I'm just saying she's taking a huge risk, but we
00:57:54
got to give him that. He could take a risk, too, OK,
00:57:58
She taking 22 minors. Your children, you don't know
00:58:04
how this is going to end up 'cause you really don't know how
00:58:08
this will go. Yeah, so he can try.
00:58:15
That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
00:58:16
Like I like I said, she knows where he is without a doubt.
00:58:23
Her children, all they need to know is that they're looking for
00:58:26
daddy they don't have. They don't have anything else
00:58:29
that they need to focus on. Roger could touch the stone and
00:58:34
be thinking about Jim. But if he decides to leave Buck
00:58:38
back, is he going to have a split second where he thinks
00:58:40
about? But well, then he has to.
00:58:42
That's that's all his issues and working on it.
00:58:45
But my whole, all I'm saying, Michelle, is it's not foolproof
00:58:49
for Roger to just go back to. And it's not fool, and I'm sorry
00:58:53
it's still not foolproof for them either.
00:58:55
But that is a risk she is willing to take to get their dad
00:58:58
back. And that's all I'm saying about
00:59:01
him. You know your son is not there.
00:59:04
Your gut is telling you he's not there.
00:59:07
So what is the plan 'cause I don't see a plan.
00:59:10
I got her plan and her plan is she like you said, she is in
00:59:15
beast mode. She didn't play a mode she like.
00:59:19
We we doing this, damn the consequences.
00:59:23
We gonna find this man. I feel like he got the same
00:59:26
thing about his son. But I think when Bree is, she's
00:59:30
also fleeing danger, so she she don't really have to.
00:59:32
No, she she fleeing danger but but that girl I'm sorry she got
00:59:37
cojones. I'm just saying I.
00:59:40
Know, I know, but you? Got the She doesn't hesitate and
00:59:44
she's very good with her instincts and her gut feelings.
00:59:47
And that's all I'm trying to say with Roger.
00:59:50
We giving her like, oh, yeah, she know what she doing.
00:59:53
But I feel like we should be able to say with him too is you
00:59:57
know what, Sir? You do have that good feeling
00:59:59
that your son's not there. You're going to maybe have to
01:00:02
take a risk. That's all I'm saying that he
01:00:05
should be able to be like, OK, I'm going to try it.
01:00:08
And but maybe like, maybe no, maybe wait, let's keep looking.
01:00:13
But they even both realized this may not be where he is.
01:00:17
There's not two extra people. You're looking for a man and a
01:00:21
child. Yeah, I know, I know.
01:00:23
Only a man showed up in that man to be in your day.
01:00:26
Yeah, I, I, I'm just saying, I feel like Roger has a little bit
01:00:31
more to risk. He does.
01:00:33
He does so and I'm just thinking that's.
01:00:36
Probably, but she has. To me, she has much more 'cause
01:00:38
you have two extra little people with you.
01:00:42
But she also has 2 little people who have a special ability they
01:00:46
do together. And we don't want to end up in
01:00:49
two different places because then I don't think they would be
01:00:52
because of because of the the connection between Jim and
01:00:57
Mandy, which you know, has had only been hinted at.
01:01:01
But now we kind of see that it it.
01:01:03
No, they have a connection. It's an actual, real thing.
01:01:06
Just like she tells them at the stone she was like, I need you
01:01:09
guys to use your connection to find daddy.
01:01:11
I think that probably gives her a little more confidence as far
01:01:16
as OK, I can take this risk because she has.
01:01:21
I'm trying to think of how we'd she has something steering her
01:01:25
like she does, but she may not be.
01:01:28
With those two will end up together.
01:01:30
Hold on, let me finish. She has these two kids who are
01:01:34
able to focus. All they need to focus on is
01:01:36
Roger. They don't need to press on Bug.
01:01:38
They don't need to focus on anything else.
01:01:41
All they're focusing in on is Roger.
01:01:44
So that probably gives her a little more confidence about
01:01:48
what she's about to do. Roger only has his mind.
01:01:53
He doesn't have anything that's really steering him towards
01:01:59
them. Yeah, he can think about Jim.
01:02:01
But again, he could be, he could think that that split second of
01:02:06
thought, that's what happened with him, with with him and his
01:02:08
father. Because I think I mentioned in
01:02:11
the books, this is not the first time he's encountered his father
01:02:14
going through the stones. He went the first time he tried
01:02:17
to go to the stones, through the stones to find Brianna.
01:02:21
He ended up back in the stone circle with Fiona because she
01:02:25
went to the stones with him. And he says that in that in
01:02:30
between space, you know, before you go from one point to
01:02:34
another. He.
01:02:35
Briefly thought of his dad and he saw his dad in the stones.
01:02:41
So Roger's focus, I would just say, is not as certain and that
01:02:48
would make me feel like Roger just needs to stay put and wait
01:02:54
for them to come to him. But then then if you take, OK,
01:02:58
so take even take the book out. If you just take the show, He's
01:03:02
been doing good getting to the places he needed to be going
01:03:05
through the stones. This was the one time, but I can
01:03:08
understand this one time, 'cause you still was thinking about
01:03:11
your son. You was thinking about your son
01:03:13
not having a dad, like you didn't have one.
01:03:15
And then you thought of your dad because you thought of right.
01:03:20
But I'm what I'm saying is now that you know, but now that you
01:03:23
know, you know how to how to focus your mind.
01:03:27
My thing is you exactly said it. Those two, yeah, they focus on
01:03:32
their dad. But those are two brains plus
01:03:34
another brain that's totally separate.
01:03:36
The two connected. They're going to be together
01:03:38
going through the stones. Mom may not even get to the same
01:03:41
place. The two kids may get to.
01:03:43
You don't know how she may switch her thoughts off at the
01:03:46
same time. So one versus 3 to me, when
01:03:52
Roger has done this before and he does actually know how to
01:03:55
focus much better, he does have the.
01:04:01
Agree to disagree on that because.
01:04:03
I mean, no, but honestly, he does.
01:04:04
He knows what he you have to do to get to where you need to get
01:04:08
to 'cause he's done this a few times.
01:04:09
Yeah, he does. And I'm saying that he's not
01:04:12
naive to this. Oh, no, I he knows what to do
01:04:15
now. When if you don't do it.
01:04:19
Yeah, I mean, but we've seen that before.
01:04:22
But I'm just saying that you can still put that same energy that
01:04:26
your wife is with two kids because they may not end up
01:04:28
together. You know what I'm saying?
01:04:30
They may the kids may end up like focus on their day when.
01:04:33
Mandy runs through the stones before everybody else, right?
01:04:37
You see what I'm saying? And then like, but guess who's
01:04:39
going to be with her though? Who's going to end up at the
01:04:42
same location she ends up with her brother because they're
01:04:46
connected? Well, here's the thing.
01:04:49
Brianna will end up there too, because at this point now her
01:04:52
focus is shifted to Mandy. So if Mandy's focus is on Roger,
01:04:58
Brianna's focus is on Mandy. They're gonna end up at the same
01:05:01
place. Right now.
01:05:03
But we wouldn't know that if they just went lolly gallon
01:05:06
through the First of all, we really do not know how these
01:05:09
stones work. We'll think, well, they're
01:05:14
minors. They're connected.
01:05:16
The stones don't give a shit about who a minor or not.
01:05:21
It worked probably during pregnancy.
01:05:23
You understand what I'm saying? Because that's what?
01:05:26
But you don't. We don't know really how it all
01:05:29
works, and that's all I'm saying.
01:05:31
All I'm saying is she's taking the huge risk of taking her
01:05:34
kids. Yeah, she is.
01:05:37
But. You want your kids with you, but
01:05:40
you got to hope and pray that they stay connected with you.
01:05:43
And the Stones understand that minors need to stay with their
01:05:46
parents. That's all you can work with.
01:05:48
That's all she's working with. She has faith in what she's
01:05:51
doing and she has a hope that it's going to work out right.
01:05:56
Well, the other thing is she had planned on them, like probably
01:05:59
holding hands and going through the stones.
01:06:00
But like she said once she tells once she tells the kids I need
01:06:04
you to focus on Daddy and she puts the stone in their hands.
01:06:09
Like immediately she puts the stone in the hand and she tells
01:06:13
Mandy, I need you to focus on Daddy.
01:06:15
As soon as she said that, Mandy turned and she was like Daddy
01:06:19
and took off. So I don't know what it is about
01:06:22
Mandy, but it seems like whatever that telepathy is the
01:06:25
the. What is it?
01:06:26
We call it the magnet or the whatever the the force is strong
01:06:31
with that child. Yeah, it is.
01:06:33
Because as soon as Brianna said, I need you to think about Daddy.
01:06:37
Sure. She found her.
01:06:39
Yeah. And she took off running through
01:06:40
stones. Now I have another question.
01:06:42
So to talk about this. So if Rodger went around and
01:06:47
it's been like a year and still hadn't found him, what was he
01:06:50
going to do? What was he going to do?
01:06:53
He's going to have to go back through the.
01:06:54
What? Yeah, he's going to go back
01:06:57
through the yeah stones. That's all I was saying.
01:06:59
Like he could have just let's not wait around when you know
01:07:05
what the answer is. Yeah, but now I need him to
01:07:08
stay. Well, I mean, I, I think, I
01:07:16
think he probably was gonna stay anyway, maybe just maybe just
01:07:21
for a few more days. Because, I mean, you gotta, you
01:07:25
gotta sit here and think, OK, if he puts the letter in the desk,
01:07:31
he's obviously hoping that at some point she will see it.
01:07:35
She couldn't have seen it before then because he didn't, because
01:07:37
he didn't put the letter in the desk.
01:07:39
So maybe at that point he would have thought, OK, let me stay a
01:07:42
couple of days, let me stay a couple of weeks, see what
01:07:44
happens, right, I got you can do is all you can do is guess and
01:07:48
wait. And then if nothing happens,
01:07:51
then he could probably. Have to make a decision?
01:07:53
Go. Home.
01:07:54
Yeah, you have to make a decision.
01:07:55
He has to make a decision. Yeah, but at least at this
01:07:57
point, he can try to figure out like, OK, so one, if Jim is not
01:08:04
here, he needs to figure out what's going to what they're
01:08:07
going to do with Buck. Him and Buck are going to need
01:08:10
to sit there and figure that out.
01:08:11
Like, are you going to come back with me?
01:08:13
Are you going to stay here? You've obviously decided not to
01:08:16
go back to your time. So like for Buck, if if that's
01:08:21
his mindset, if he already knows my wife is better off without
01:08:25
me, whatever. Even if he tried to go back to
01:08:27
1778, I don't think he would make it because his focus is not
01:08:30
there anymore. You know what?
01:08:32
I'm right and he's more of this time period.
01:08:34
So yeah, he does. Well, yeah, Roger does not.
01:08:39
So. No, Roger is too much like.
01:08:42
A bug said I would just stay I think, but would be fine if he
01:08:45
stayed. Yeah, but I don't want him to
01:08:48
stay. I want him to well.
01:08:49
I know, but he ain't gonna make it in the what?
01:08:51
What's that current time? 1980s, yeah, 1980s.
01:08:55
But here's the thing, if Brianna comes back with the kids and
01:08:58
they find them too, thank you know you already know.
01:09:02
You already know they are not staying in 1739.
01:09:07
Not also where they gonna go. They go.
01:09:08
So are they gonna go where I think they need to go?
01:09:10
They they need to go back to Fraser's Ridge.
01:09:13
Right, that's what I'm saying. Mama and the Daddy now.
01:09:15
That's what I'm saying. I don't know if they're gonna go
01:09:17
to Philadelphia. They might go back to they might
01:09:20
try to I, I don't, I don't know what they're gonna do, but I
01:09:23
know then one, they can't go back to 1980, not right now, not
01:09:28
while that he is on now, but. That has to be resolved before
01:09:33
this series ends. So they have to.
01:09:36
So they have to go back. So but then they have to go back
01:09:41
again because I need Rihanna to to talk with William.
01:09:46
So I'm all conflicted here. When?
01:09:49
OK. So I will, I will say this as
01:09:53
far as the books, because again, we still have one book that
01:09:57
needs to come out. So we don't know what's going to
01:09:59
happen with them back and forth. One of the things that they did
01:10:03
cut from the show is the time is is like the the time between
01:10:10
when Brianna makes the decision that she's going to go look for
01:10:13
Rodger and the time that she actually leaves.
01:10:16
Because in the books, what she does is because Rob Cameron is
01:10:22
actively trying to get after them.
01:10:24
Like I said in the books, the, the shootout and everything that
01:10:27
happens at her house is way more.
01:10:30
There's, there's like a lot more chaos.
01:10:32
Rob Cameron's face is plastered all over the news.
01:10:36
So is Jeremiah's face because it's a big news story and all
01:10:41
this other stuff. So what she actually does is she
01:10:44
packs up Lollibrop and when they're, they're packing up the
01:10:48
furniture and, and, you know, trying to make it so that the,
01:10:53
the place is shuttered down, that's when she finds the letter
01:10:57
in the books. She actually goes back to the
01:11:00
States and she, they stay with Joe Abernathy and his wife.
01:11:04
And during that time she's making all she's, she's getting
01:11:09
all her affairs settled. Like, OK, this is what to do
01:11:12
with the house. This is what you do with the
01:11:13
bank accounts. You know, she's doing all of
01:11:15
this with Joe and then she's also testing the connection
01:11:19
between the kids because she tells Joe about what's going on.
01:11:23
And, and at this point, his wife is also aware of of what's going
01:11:27
on with them being travelers and all this other stuff.
01:11:29
So they actually do tests with the kids.
01:11:32
They're like, OK, we're going to go down.
01:11:33
We're going to go to downtown Boston.
01:11:36
Me and me and Mandy will stay here.
01:11:38
Jim, you and Uncle Joe, y'all get in the car and y'all are
01:11:42
going to drive and we're going to see how far you guys can go
01:11:45
before you stop feeling each other.
01:11:47
So they actually do this several times because when she gets
01:11:50
ready to go through the stones, she wants to be sure that the
01:11:53
kids, you know, like you said, can focus on each other and then
01:11:57
focus on Rodger. Because there is also a little
01:12:01
bit of a, you know, they know that they have some a little bit
01:12:04
of a connection where they can feel their parents is just not
01:12:07
as strong as the connection they can feel.
01:12:09
With each other, they have for each other.
01:12:10
So the all of that is is missing out of the show.
01:12:13
They don't do it. So I don't know at this point.
01:12:18
We know that, you know, we know that they're going back to the
01:12:21
past wherever they end up going because we see them running
01:12:24
through the stones at the end of this episode.
01:12:26
Now, whether they go back to the future, I don't know.
01:12:29
But in the books, she has settled her affair so that if
01:12:32
they don't come back. Everything is taken care of.
01:12:36
Everything is taken care of, so there's a possibility they could
01:12:39
go back. I mean, I, I just don't see at
01:12:45
this point, I don't see why they would want to go back to the
01:12:47
1980s, except for the fact that yes, it has more modern
01:12:50
conveniences. Medically speaking, it's a
01:12:53
little bit safer and that sort of thing.
01:12:56
But literally aside from Joe and Fiona, everybody that you love
01:13:01
and care about is back in the 1700s.
01:13:05
Your, your family, your parents, your support system.
01:13:09
I don't think if if I know this guy is trying to come after me.
01:13:14
And again, we don't know if Rob Cameron is a time traveler.
01:13:19
We don't know of anybody that he knows is a time traveler and can
01:13:22
send, you know, send them after them.
01:13:24
I would assume that Bree took the letter with her because if
01:13:28
you think that there's a possibility of that, why would
01:13:31
you leave that letter for someone to find?
01:13:34
You know what I'm saying? So.
01:13:36
So yeah, I just, I, I don't know if they go back to the 1980s,
01:13:42
but I know that if she goes to 19, excuse me, 1739, and she
01:13:46
finds Rodger. If they find Rodger, they need
01:13:49
to head to the Ridge or they need to head to wherever Claire
01:13:53
and Jamie are right now, which she probably knows because she
01:13:57
probably went through and looked at the letters before she left.
01:14:01
It was like, OK, if this is, I can't remember what month it was
01:14:05
on the thing. OK, let's say this is September
01:14:07
1980. So technically speaking, if I go
01:14:11
back to look for my parents it should be around 1797.
01:14:19
Yeah, you got to figure that out, Yeah.
01:14:21
She'll look at the letters and be like, OK, so they were in
01:14:23
Philadelphia in September 1797. So when I go through the stones,
01:14:28
that's where I need to make my way.
01:14:29
So there's a lot of. Sorry, Brianna got that good GPS
01:14:34
on her gums. Kidding, she.
01:14:36
But I mean, she, she really. Does she good though?
01:14:38
That's I'm saying she's good, but she's been doing this too
01:14:40
for a while herself. So she's really, she's good.
01:14:43
Yeah, so. I'm sorry, Frank taught her a
01:14:46
lot. But I let me tell you when when
01:14:49
Mandy took off running, all I heard was Casey in my head.
01:14:53
Some of them kids. Need a whooping?
01:14:56
Yeah, 'cause her. Parents, But if you are that
01:14:58
magnet, if you are the strong one, 'cause remember, Jimmy was
01:15:02
even hearing Mandy when she was an infant.
01:15:05
You know, he was like, oh, she can hear the stone sing too,
01:15:09
because she told me. Excuse me?
01:15:11
What? She can't even talk?
01:15:12
She's gonna. You don't like that applesauce?
01:15:14
You put too much cinnamon in it. Right, right, right.
01:15:17
So hopefully Mandy's radar, her daddy radar is strong enough to
01:15:24
lead all of them through to where they need to be to to get
01:15:28
to Roger, 'cause like I said, if Mandy is focused on Roger, if
01:15:32
Jared, if Jimmy is focused on Mandy and Roger because he's
01:15:35
like, OK, sister dad and Brianna is going to be focused on the
01:15:40
kids, they're all going to end up in the same place.
01:15:42
I have no doubt about that. I don't think they would get
01:15:44
separated because that that particular bond is too strong.
01:15:48
I think even more so than than Brianna wanting to get to
01:15:52
Rodger, Brianna's going to want to get to her kids.
01:15:55
So yeah, I think in the end all will be fine, but we got to wait
01:16:00
a whole nother damn week before we find out.
01:16:05
Like really? Y'all already made us wait more
01:16:08
than a year for the second-half of this season and then y'all
01:16:13
are gonna make us have a break before the season finale.
01:16:17
Oh, y'all are killing me. But it's OK, it's OK.
01:16:24
We just know Claire better be alive, which we already know
01:16:29
she. Well, see, we already know
01:16:31
that's that's and that's the that's the part I don't like
01:16:34
because we know that she I know that because it's too soon.
01:16:41
Now again, if you did this, if you did this 2 episodes towards
01:16:45
the end, I'd be like Hanukkah, here it comes.
01:16:47
But even with us knowing that she is alive, just like we knew
01:16:52
Jamie wasn't dead, we still went through the emotions because.
01:16:55
Yeah, I still was crying, but I'm just saying it, it hits
01:16:58
differently. Yeah, you said.
01:17:00
I'm saying it hits differently. Yeah, because when I when I when
01:17:05
I saw what the episode title was written in my own heart's blood
01:17:08
and like I said, I had that light bulb moment like, oh,
01:17:11
that's what they meant because Jamie wrote that note in
01:17:14
Claire's blood. I was like, OK, this is the
01:17:17
episode where Claire gets shot. Even going in knowing this, when
01:17:23
I say I stress watch this episode like this, the whole
01:17:26
time I was just waiting for it to come.
01:17:28
And the fact that it came as early as it did in the episode
01:17:32
because I really thought they would probably leave us on the
01:17:35
cliffhanger of her getting shot. But instead we get her getting
01:17:40
shot and then we get everything in the church afterwards all the
01:17:42
way up until Denzel comes and starts prepping her for surgery.
01:17:48
And I was just sitting there stress watching it, like I was
01:17:53
feeling everything. And I was like, I know Claire's
01:17:55
going to be OK, but still like in the books is touch and go.
01:17:59
So I'm. Just and see Oh, and if if they
01:18:03
did that as the season finale, then I wouldn't know either
01:18:05
because next season could just be her touch and go and then
01:18:09
finally everyone gets to say their goodbyes to her.
01:18:13
That would have been like. I would have been like.
01:18:16
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think they're going to drag that
01:18:18
out because like I said, I. Will be done.
01:18:22
Now that we know what happened in this episode, I have a
01:18:26
feeling I know what's going to happen in the next episode.
01:18:30
And I think I know exactly where they're going to cut off.
01:18:34
And it it would if they cut off where I think they would cut
01:18:38
off, then I think we'll be good going into the final season.
01:18:43
I think we'll be good. I think we'll be happy now.
01:18:46
They don't do that. I have, I have no clue, but I
01:18:49
have a feeling the next episode is going to be very emotional
01:18:54
because we will be watching Claire go through her recovery
01:18:59
and that's going to be kind of rough.
01:19:01
I do believe that we will see some kind of maybe not
01:19:07
resolution, but we will see something happen with the Lord
01:19:11
John, Jamie, William, Jane, Fanny.
01:19:16
Trying to think, did I leave anybody else?
01:19:18
I think we will see something happen with that group.
01:19:22
I'm not sure if we're going to see a full-fledged reunion with
01:19:25
Jamie and Lord John or the forgiveness part, but I can't.
01:19:29
Again, I kind of feel like I I agree with you as.
01:19:33
Far as. If this is what they had to deal
01:19:35
with when they thought I was dead, then I need to be a little
01:19:39
more forgiving. I need to be a little more
01:19:40
understanding of what they did. Like I said, I don't think Jamie
01:19:44
was really mad, mad about the part about them sleeping
01:19:48
together. I think it was Lord John's
01:19:50
attitude. Like, yeah, I had carnal
01:19:51
knowledge of your wife and I don't, and I'm not sorry, but I
01:19:54
think that was the. Yeah.
01:19:56
Because Lord John was trying to hurt Jamie's feelings.
01:19:59
Because I think he was so pissed that he let all this emotion
01:20:03
out. He let all of these feelings
01:20:06
about Jamie out that he had previously kept very well under
01:20:09
wraps, even with Claire. Like Claire knew.
01:20:12
He was in love with Jamie, but they never had such a an
01:20:16
explicit conversation about it. And I think the fact that he he
01:20:19
allowed himself to spill all of that and put all of that out
01:20:23
into the universe and then for Jamie to come back, like you
01:20:26
can't take that back now. Every whatever Claire had
01:20:31
thought before Jamie died, as far as what Lord John felt, she
01:20:34
actually knows it now. She's confront like y'all had a
01:20:38
physical. Act.
01:20:41
Due to the the enormity of your feelings for Jamie.
01:20:45
So I think he was more pissed off about that and that's why he
01:20:49
kind of why he kind of went at Jamie the way he did.
01:20:53
Like, yeah, I did this and whatever 'cause I think he
01:20:56
wanted Jamie to feel the same kind of anger he was feeling
01:21:00
about Jamie's so-called demise and, and the events that
01:21:03
happened after it. But hopefully they'll get that
01:21:07
settled because y'all got y'all got way too many other things to
01:21:11
deal with because now Jamie will have to deal with whatever
01:21:14
consequences he's going to have because you violated the direct
01:21:19
order from a commanding officer. I don't think they're going to
01:21:24
look at that very lightly. George Washington might, but at
01:21:28
the same time, you can't let someone do that and just kind of
01:21:33
let them go without there being any consequence because if you
01:21:37
do that, then your men start to question your authority.
01:21:42
So it's going to be interesting because again, we kind of know,
01:21:46
we we know what happens between George Washington and General
01:21:49
Lee and we know about that divide.
01:21:51
So maybe people will look at Jamie and be like, well, I
01:21:57
wouldn't listen to General Lee either.
01:21:58
That bastard retreated. He's a coward.
01:22:01
That is true. Or they might be like, well,
01:22:03
he's still your commanding officer.
01:22:05
You should have known what he told you to do, that sort of
01:22:07
thing. So I, I think we'll see some
01:22:11
kind of consequence about that. But yeah, I, I kind of my my
01:22:17
biggest hope again, because all of those things are things that
01:22:21
we know are going to have my biggest question and hope is
01:22:27
that Brianna and the kids find Rodger and Buck.
01:22:32
And then I want them to go to Jamie and Claire.
01:22:34
And I would like for Buck to stay with them because again, I
01:22:38
like the fact that Rodger has a piece of his own family with
01:22:41
him. And I mean, it wouldn't hurt
01:22:45
anything to have Buck go, you know, back to that time with
01:22:49
them. Yeah, he could.
01:22:53
He could do that. He could even take on a
01:22:55
different name if he doesn't want Morack to find him.
01:22:58
But if they're in Philadelphia, she's in Scotland.
01:23:00
She's not going to come looking for him, especially if she knows
01:23:03
that he was in Scotland when he disappeared.
01:23:06
She because I don't think she would have any reason to think
01:23:09
that he would go back to the States.
01:23:11
So she probably will thank him for dead.
01:23:15
He can stay with them in Philadelphia.
01:23:19
I would not be mad at all. It would be great to have Rodger
01:23:25
have a piece of his family. It would not hurt to have
01:23:29
another big strapping gentleman be on, be on their side.
01:23:34
Yeah. Just take Buck with you.
01:23:36
It's not going to hurt. I mean, you guys kept Merta
01:23:39
alive and brought him back and Merta died in.
01:23:41
The That's true, that's true, that's true.
01:23:43
We can do it. That's true.
01:23:44
Yeah, that was true. So yeah, you have any final
01:23:51
thoughts about this episode? I just, I just thought it was
01:23:58
funny, 'cause I was like, Claire's gonna operate on
01:24:00
herself, that's all. When I when she was.
01:24:03
Dozing off, I was like, no, I really want her to like, be like
01:24:06
that tough woman and be like, I got this, I got this.
01:24:10
OK. I need you to feel around.
01:24:12
OK. Oh yeah.
01:24:14
Claire is very human. And it was so funny 'cause when
01:24:20
when you sent me that text, then you were like, oh, she about to
01:24:23
operate on herself. I said, OK, so she's gotten
01:24:25
through the part where where Claire got shot.
01:24:28
Did it shock you that it was her?
01:24:32
Did it shock you that it was her?
01:24:34
No, I 'cause then at that point I was like, OK, I kind of saw a
01:24:38
picture of that. I had thought that that was
01:24:41
going to happen, but no, it didn't shock me, OK?
01:24:43
OK, yeah, 'cause I was just kind of like the way that they let up
01:24:46
into it with the conversation of her saying something feels
01:24:50
different this time, Something feels different this time.
01:24:53
And Jamie was like, you can't mean death.
01:24:56
She was like, no, not death. It's just something, something
01:24:59
feels different. And it was literally because,
01:25:02
OK, you going to be the one that's in dire peril this time
01:25:06
and not Jamie. So it's it's always interesting
01:25:10
to see, to see the the perspective change because we're
01:25:15
so used to clear seeing Jamie endanger and Jamie being, you
01:25:19
know, his life being put on the line.
01:25:20
And Jamie ain't no telling how many times Jamie has been shot,
01:25:24
maimed, whatever at this point. So to see it be clear,
01:25:31
especially when we've only seen her like deadly sick one other
01:25:35
time, and that was when Mabel Christie poisoned her.
01:25:38
It's just always interesting because you get to see her be
01:25:43
strong and still be able to do stuff, but then you have to see
01:25:48
her kind of be be a regular human.
01:25:51
She can't be super clear this time.
01:25:53
It's kind of hard to do that when you have a bullet in your
01:25:56
liver. So yeah.
01:25:58
Yeah. But OK.
01:26:01
So we have one episode left for season 7, then Drought Lander
01:26:07
begins again. I am hoping that when the season
01:26:14
finale airs that we will get some information about Blood of
01:26:19
My Blood, like a a release date or an estimated release date or
01:26:25
that we will find out some information about season 8.
01:26:28
I really hope that they don't send us into Drought Lander with
01:26:31
no information 'cause I will be so depressed because it's just
01:26:38
this is going to be the last season.
01:26:40
Yep, and we still don't know when we're getting a 10th book
01:26:45
yet. However, Diana Gabaldon did say
01:26:49
she will be releasing the title of the book sometime this year.
01:26:54
So she releases the title of the book.
01:26:56
That means that we're getting a little bit closer to a release
01:27:02
date. So fingers crossed and I guess
01:27:09
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