#outlander Roger and Buck finds clues that lead them closer to finding Jerry Mackenzie. Brianna and Mandy search for Jemmy, as Jemmy tries to find his way back home. Rachel and Ian take the next step in their relationship. Jamie learns about John's dilemma in the militia camp, but is reluctant to offer assistance. Brianna has to take matters into her own hands when the police prove unhelpful in capturing an escaped Rob Cameron. Roger gets some answers that he has been looking for.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle and we are discussing Outlanders season 7
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episode 13 in which Michelle gets her wish.
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She finally gets to see Rachel let that hair down.
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Yeah, she let it down. Let it down.
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I would have been a little bit more excited if she had it down
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at that wedding, 'cause I was like you still tucking their
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hair pieces. Take it off, Take it off.
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But I'm glad she headed down. Yeah, I'm wondering if has.
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To has to keep that on like as a single person, 'cause you know,
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some especially with, with their with their religion, maybe she
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has to keep her head covered while she is single and now that
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she's married, maybe in future episodes we'll see her at least
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with it uncovered, if not free flowing.
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I mean, you get to see it free flowing in the bed, so I don't.
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Know OK I was excited I. Was excited but I would say this
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too with with their with their little honeymoon scene or
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wedding night scene. I felt very uncomfortable
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watching this 'cause I felt like I was watching 2 of my children
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and I was just like I. I get, I get that.
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I had to Fast forward because of watching the episode.
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It's amazing when when nothing is happening, nobody is coming
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down the stairs, walking around and then when stuff is happening
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they in the kitchen and I'm thinking OK, they staying in the
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kitchen no problem. As soon as they go into their
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bed I'll say oh hell, why she had to come?
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I don't know what's about to happen.
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So I was Fast forward until they were to the end while they were
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talking. So I kind of missed it, which
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I'm glad because yeah, they are our kids.
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So that's a little. It, it was very strange because
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I was watching it and I'm like, OK, yay.
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They, they finally are married. They get to have some, some
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cuddle time. And then while I was watching, I
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was like, I feel really uncomfortable watching this.
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And I had to pause it a couple of times and then I finally got
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through and I was just like, yeah, I don't think I can do
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that again. It's, it's like watching your
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children are watching your children's friends.
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It was just, it's different from watching Jamie and Claire,
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right? And I have the same issue with
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Brianna and Roger to be honest with.
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OK. So it is because of the kids.
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Yeah, yeah, I don't. Got no problem with Jamie and
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Claire, yeah? None at all.
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So yeah. Except for the except for the
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wedding night episode, which I rewatched last week, I was like,
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OK. You had a problem with that I.
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Didn't have a problem with it. I was just like, do I need to
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leave the room? I mean, I just kind of felt
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like, oh, oh, I'm just spying on them.
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Yes, yeah, it it does feel like that for that one, Yeah.
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So, so, OK, so let's talk about this episode 'cause there were
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other things happening aside from the wedding that we have
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been waiting for. How did you feel about the
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reveal of Jeremiah McKenzie? Dad.
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Oh, that was so sweet. But you know how you know what I
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wanted to say? Tell him.
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Tell him who you are. But you know what?
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I. Thought I mean, I understand
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why, I do understand why, but I just wanted to 'cause he was
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talking about just in case he don't come out the right way
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with, you know, the time with his son.
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I just want you to be like your son.
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I'm your son and I'm OK. I, I made it.
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But you know what? I feel like Roger may have
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thought if he told his dad that right before he went through the
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stones, that would have been on his mind and he probably would
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have come back the way that him and Brianna and Jimmy did when
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they left and they were trying to get home and home for them is
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where Jamie and Claire is. So I'm thinking that's why he
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did it. Especially when he tells Buck
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later when he was talking about when they got ready to go
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through the stones. He was thinking of.
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Jamie But when he touched the he had a brief moment about
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thinking of his father and how much he misses having his dad.
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And how he misses dad and how you know his son would miss his
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dad. So it was cool.
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It was cool to see great great grandfather, father and son
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going through the woods. That was sweet and everything.
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They did really good with the casting too because I'm looking
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at them like if they did. All three of them together.
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Yeah, they did a they did a great job with that.
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It was sweet. I, I, I truly enjoyed it.
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But they, they tied some science in there for me.
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So, you know, I loved it because Roger figured out like, oh,
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Brianna was talking about, she felt felty underneath in the
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dam. So if we go all the way back,
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maybe Stones was at the top. I'm like, good job, Rodger.
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Yeah, 'cause like Buck said, he was like, yeah, your time, we
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will be standing under underwater right now because,
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because the dam flooded that whole little valley.
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So yeah, that was that was interesting.
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The other interesting part was of, of course, parallel to that
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part of the story, you have the reveal of Jimmy, who is actually
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in the dam because that's where that's where Rob Cameron took
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him. So Jimmy is remembering what Bri
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told him about how she got out of the tunnels.
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So when he comes to that part where you see the little shimmer
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of the the portal and he can hear Rodger calling and then
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Rodger can hear a little bit of Jim calling when they did that
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and Roger was like, is that a young boy?
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I said wait, I thought. I, I thought so too and I was
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like, oh they changed up, Hanukkah lied to me, they
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changed it. He's going to be there.
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And then when, when it shows what it show the sister saying I
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can feel him again. I said well damn, they throwing
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us off again. That little boy over there
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underneath the rock ain't him. Was I?
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I was panicking because I was like, if Jim goes back, like,
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how are they going to fix this? I should have known better, but
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still, it was like one of those things.
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I thought he, I thought he did. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this
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is amazing. Like all the generations going
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to be together and we got to get them back home.
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That's what I thought, but it was some random kid.
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So I'm like, oh, OK. Right, but the random kid at
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least did get them to Jeremiah, so that was good.
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But I was sitting there like, Oh my God, what are they doing?
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How are they going to do what? How is Brianna going?
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I was just, I was so confused because it, but at the same time
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too, it's kind of like when Jimmy was approaching that
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little portal, Remember Brianna, when she saw it, she ran
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straight through it and she didn't go anywhere.
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And maybe that's because the stones are not there.
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Or, you know, I'm not the science person, so I don't know
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how to say well. I'm just assuming like because
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the stones are at the top and the stones are there, that's
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just like a remainder, a remnant of it.
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So yeah, when take it. But I thought it could cause Dad
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or Rodger was calling and he heard them.
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I was like, then I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, it will actually
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take him. But no, it didn't 'cause they
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really do need the actual stones and he didn't have actual any
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stones on him. Yeah, I jewelry stone.
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Stuck. They would have been stuck or
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killed so. I don't know whether Jimmy.
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Actually went through it. Or if he decided like Brianna
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was like, Nah, let me not touch this, let me go find another
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way. But he ends up outside and then
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Brianna ends up finding him. But that, that little part, I
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love the way that they did it because it was kind of parallel,
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because you have Rodger looking for Jeremiah and you think he's
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about to find the one that he's actually looking for.
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And then he finds the one that was the mistake.
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And I love it 'cause I was like, OK, you have all of these
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Mackenzie's right there. But like you say, it would have
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been nice if. Jim, all of them.
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Was there? Yeah.
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But then that would have complicated things because
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Brianna would have never known that Jim actually did go through
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the stones, Especially once she finds out that he's not in the
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past and that Rob Cameron has it.
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Speaking of Rob Cameron, let me tell you, he's lucky that Bree
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only slapped him and kicked him at the beginning.
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Because the way he was and the way he was acting, I was like,
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I'd have beat him. I'd have been like, you can tell
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me where my son is. But now she's got bigger
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problems because he's somehow gotten out.
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Of which means he had to have help.
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There is no way he could have got out of there.
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He has to have help and stuff so.
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Which is going to be dangerous for her because it's just her
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and and Mandy right now she doesn't have anybody else there
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to to protect her. So I don't know.
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But they don't know camera. Yeah, but I also liked the
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discussion when they were talking about Rodger and then
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was talking about he was like, I don't remember.
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I think I should remember having time with my dad if I see him
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back. If he went back, yeah.
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If he went back and I like Buck was like, no, 'cause we already
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stupid so we wouldn't have the memory, yeah.
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Yeah, he was like, we're in the past, we're before, we're before
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our time, and I don't have any memories of this.
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Right. So yeah, so it's it's I like
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that. So we'll we will see what ends
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up happening. So for me, I was hoping what you
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say so. There's a multiverse.
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Oh yeah, well, yes. But then I got excited because
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I'm like, OK, you send Dad back, and I'm hoping that Dad pops up
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and helps Brianna. So, you know, in my mind, I'm
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creating different stories. That's probably not gonna
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happen. That that would be a bit of a
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push. And I say that because he would
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have no one. He doesn't know that Roger is
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his son, so he would have no he would have no way to to begin
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looking unless he goes to the old Reverend Wakefield's house.
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But if he went Fiona is living. But he wouldn't have even known
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that Roger ended up with Reverend Wakefield.
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So it would be it would be a big stretch.
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But if he went back as when he was a little kid and raised him.
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Yeah, I'd so I, I. We don't have no idea.
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So then that basically says then he never went back.
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I don't. He went back because if he,
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because not only if he went back to raise Rodger, that would
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literally change everything because Rodger would have never
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been at Reverend Wakefield's house.
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He would have never met Frank and Claire.
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So that connection wouldn't have been there.
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He would have never been around to help Claire find Jade.
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So it's like it would have had a domino effect.
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So I think. Right.
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So that I'm just causing. So that means he never did get
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back to Rodger as a baby or he didn't still die.
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We don't know. Could.
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Could have. Yeah, could have.
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That's why I said you should have just told him, just in case
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he got stuck in the stones again.
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I went to another time, you know what I'm saying?
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I went to another time. But we didn't want him coming
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back to that time because the people in that time were not
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being kind to. Him.
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No, not at all. Not at all looking.
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Like, OK, this fairy man is from the devil.
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We're going to and then you stole.
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You stole a goat, so they're already looking for him.
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And Rodger was like, so what's the punishment for him stealing
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the go? Oh, he might take his hand.
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He might take his head for a goat.
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Goat, you'd be like, wait, what? OK, we got to get you out of
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here. We'll figure out how to get out
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of here on our own. We can do that, right?
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But you need to get out of here. Yeah, but I do like, at the end,
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you know, we've been talking back and forth about Rodger and,
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you know, whether or not Jim was back in the past.
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And now that we know definitely that he is not even Brianna is
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having doubts because when she's having a conversation with
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Fiona, she was like, Rodger will never come back without our son,
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but he has no way of knowing that Jim is not there.
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So she's thinking that. And, you know, that was
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something that we had also talked about when we weren't
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sure whether Jimmy was in the back.
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But now Rodger is kind of like, OK, so if I was thinking about
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my dad and, you know, if I was thinking about Jeremiah and
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ended up here with my dad to possibly save him, I'm really
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thinking that Jeremiah, that my Jeremiah is not here.
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So now I think Roger is really about to be like, OK, we've been
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searching for at this point, it could have been weeks, you know,
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that they've been there. Nobody has seen this blonde
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child. Nobody has seen him.
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So there's. So at this point you got to be
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like. Yeah, you, you got to use your
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deductive reasoning. If nobody has seen a, a, a
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blonde haired child, either with a man or without, like nobody's
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seen this child at all, then it goes to figure that this child
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is not here. So at this point, Rodger
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probably will try to make his way back.
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But whether he goes back where the buck goes back, 'cause like
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you said, they just gave their last gem to Jeremiah, so now
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they got to find gems if they are going to go back, I don't
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know. Right.
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And I think he I think he understands that Jimmy is not
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there because I think he get realized that he was there to
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help his dad. So now it's like you got to go
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through the stones and really think about your son, which
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should lead you home currently. That's what I'm thinking.
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It's going to going to happen. So but that was that was a
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little sweet story with him being able to actually see his
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dad, get to know his dad for a second, see what his dad was
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doing to actually disappear. Yeah, you know, knowing his dad
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was brave and courageous and stuff and trying to end the war.
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But I'm going to tell you something.
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I'm still mad at Jamie. I'm disappoint.
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I'm not mad at him. I'm disappointed.
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I'm still disappointed, OK, like I'm disappointed because he he
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don't seem like he I'm. I'm really cursing.
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I want to cry. It's like he don't care what is
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going on with Lord Grey. I'm like really upset about that
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because he's he's never been that person.
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He's never been that person. And now it's like, oh, he he's
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not around. Fuck, no, he's not around.
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Like hello, you know, I'm saying you more concerned that y'all in
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the bed that y'all they they were messing around in but
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didn't concern about this. You just left him out there.
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And then when I can't think of the brother name.
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What's the brother name? Denzel.
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Say something about it. You can still don't show any
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concern. You having conversations with
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Claire? Get your ass out down the street
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and find this man 'cause you caused this that.
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They wanted to hang him. Right.
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He he didn't do anything to deserve that.
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He has done a lot for you and your child and he deserves A and
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for your wife for just one issue to happen right where you don't
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give a fuck. And now and.
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I was so ready to talk to you about it.
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Because right, Right. So this to me is like the ether
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and Claire to you. That's how this is for me.
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Jamie would never have done this and I don't like how they wrote
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that. But he's he's not even mustering
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a fuck about it at all. I mean, you can see a little bit
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of concern on not. Enough to move.
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But I think part of it is if Jamie looks too deeply at all of
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that right now, he's going to realize that it's his fault that
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John is in this situation. And I don't know if he wants to.
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You know, when he was having a conversation with Claire in the
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bed, he said, you know, he said, yeah, I'm mad at him.
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I hold him at fault, but I don't want him dead, he said.
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And then William is just out there.
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I don't know what's going on with him.
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I think right now he's trying to avoid looking in the mirror and
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seeing how much of this is his fault, you know, and.
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I think I need him to move a little bit quicker, yeah, and
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stuff. Yeah, like that was OK living
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luxuriously in this man's house. You at the wedding y'all just
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sitting there chilling until the spirit moves you and all that
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you you don't. This man could be dead.
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Yeah. And Claire and did you ain't
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saying anything like you know Claire.
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I know she happy days home. I know I.
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I think she not just that, I think in a sense she's trying to
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maybe give him the space to work out his feelings on that.
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Because again, I understand why Jamie is mad.
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And yes, it's a it's a sense of pride.
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I do realize that. But at some point Jamie does
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have to realize, like you said, this man has been a trustworthy
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and valuable friend to you for 30 years.
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This man has raised your child. This man has gotten you out of
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situate like Jamie. Should be dead 2-3 times though.
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Right. Right, and Lord John has always
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saved his ass even though they are on opposite sides of this
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war. They are literally enemies as
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far as that goes, but Lord John always comes through in the
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clutch for him. So yeah, I, I feel you on that.
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I'm kind of like, OK Jamie, I understand you.
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You still mad and you want to hold on to that anger, but bruh,
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you need to fix this. Like you literally admit it.
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He was almost hanged on my account.
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Right, so you get up right. So that that part that that made
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me mad. Yeah, OK.
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And even though I was enjoying the wedding, that still made me
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mad. They they was doing.
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That wedding for real though. I did enjoy what it was funny to
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me. It was looks and I just like
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when the spirit moves you and everybody looked like they about
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sleep. That's what was the funny part.
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And then that one part when he was like, well, it was my fault
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and such such. And Claire was like, I wouldn't
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say anything and you'll still need to say anything.
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Yeah, I would advise you in the spirit to keep quiet.
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On the matter, yeah. Yeah, it was sweet because
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Denzel was sweet about what he said about his sister and stuff
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at first, you know? And was like, is he talking
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about me in a bad way? But he wasn't.
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It was a sweet little wedding, it.
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Was. I just feel like it just took a
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beat too long. Well, that's the part they would
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talk about because nobody was moved.
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They were about sleep, lay by sleep.
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And the the spirit didn't move you to say, OK, look, I don't
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know what we're waiting for, but I'm ready to make this woman my
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wife and but. But Ian, has he been by herself
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some time? He could not speak for a week,
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so he could be fine just sitting there chilling.
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That that's true, but also I think I think maybe if they had
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explained a little bit more to everyone, because I think aside
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from the the three people in the back, the Bertram's, that's the
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people who own the garden that clear those too.
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I know in the books they are also friends.
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So they're they're Quakers. So aside from them, nobody else
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in the room was really sure what to expect.
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And I think maybe if they had had a longer explanation, which
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I do think they give in the books to kind of let them know,
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OK, this is how this is how friends meetings are and this is
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how we do things. And I think if they had done
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maybe a little bit longer explanation, a little bit more
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in depth, it wouldn't have felt as awkward.
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But that first 15 minutes, and I know it, it was supposed to feel
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awkward, but it was just kind of like, can we hurry up?
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I just, yeah, I want to move on, especially with that, with there
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being so many other things going on.
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Yeah, like finding Lord try. Great.
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Yeah, yeah, that part. Too that too that.
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You know, that would have been nice.
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But I mean, we have the all the other stuff like with with Bree,
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you know, she finally goes to the police once she finds Jimmy
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and then the police are literally there accusing her of.
00:21:45
Having an affair? Where's your husband?
00:21:49
Is there something else we should know?
00:21:50
So is there? You had dinner with you.
00:21:52
Has has a key to your house? Are you sure you didn't?
00:21:56
I was like, he was like, no need to get hysterical, she said.
00:22:00
Oh, you haven't seen hysterical yet.
00:22:01
I'm like I'm waiting for. Yeah, but OK.
00:22:04
Even so, Sir, even if we were having an affair, even if I plan
00:22:08
to leave him, leave my husband and leave with him, he should
00:22:11
not have kidnapped my kid and put him in a dam by himself.
00:22:17
There is no reason for that, Sir.
00:22:19
Right. Yeah, that's.
00:22:22
Why I'm totally different now if he was banging on my door and
00:22:26
begging me to leave with him then y'all can question are
00:22:29
y'all having an affair but kidnapping my son?
00:22:32
Yeah, yeah. So, but you know, I guess there.
00:22:37
She did the smartest thing though.
00:22:39
She did the smartest thing. Besides giving her kids to the
00:22:44
friend, she also gave the letters Praise you, thank you
00:22:50
for thinking. But but what do they have to go
00:22:53
through in order for them to realize they need to secure that
00:22:56
damn? Box.
00:22:58
I don't know. I was like great idea this time.
00:23:02
Great. That is great.
00:23:04
I but I'm glad she has Fiona. Yeah, I do, because Fiona is
00:23:09
she's been she she's such a help in this because she has nobody
00:23:13
else to talk to. Like, who else would she be able
00:23:15
to say? Well, yeah, my husband kind of
00:23:17
went to the past to go search for my child and and be able to
00:23:22
explain that and have somebody to kind of shoot the ideas back
00:23:27
and forth between and right. Because you have to walk around
00:23:31
and say, well, I don't know why Cameron took him.
00:23:35
Yeah, you do. But at least she can say that
00:23:37
like, well, yeah, he wanted the the gold.
00:23:40
He wanted that. We don't necessarily know if he
00:23:42
knows where the gold is. Yeah, because you should have
00:23:44
asked him. But that's neither here nor
00:23:45
there. But you know, I'm sitting here
00:23:49
wondering if if there's, I don't know it like is there a way that
00:23:57
she could still explain that to the cops and it not be
00:24:01
suspicious? I mean, I guess she could if
00:24:03
they were to, if they were to ask to look at, look at the
00:24:06
letters, then they probably like that might be a little funny,
00:24:09
but you know, everybody in their letters, they are very careful
00:24:14
not to say anything about them, you know, being from the past or
00:24:19
anything like that. But she don't even have to
00:24:21
mention that part because you already set up that Rodger is on
00:24:25
business out of town. You can just be like Rodger is
00:24:29
from money. Yeah.
00:24:32
And Cameron kidnapped him wanting money.
00:24:37
Or or she could because we found.
00:24:39
We, we, we say that our family has gold in United States.
00:24:46
We have a history on our family has some gold in the United
00:24:48
States. And Roger mentioned that one
00:24:51
time and that he, he just assumed that we really do have
00:24:54
gold. And that's all you got to say.
00:24:56
Like one of our, our ancestors has said they left us a, a, a
00:25:01
chest of gold. And we always make fun of that.
00:25:04
And we mentioned it to him at dinner and I guess he really
00:25:07
took it like our family has a chest of gold.
00:25:11
But then I I guess the question would end up being so why didn't
00:25:15
he kidnap one of you 2 instead of the child?
00:25:17
Like what would the child know? So I guess it would still get a
00:25:20
little murdered. Because you no, because you
00:25:22
would, you would make sure you really said something.
00:25:25
If it's your kid, if it's you, be like, I'm not.
00:25:27
We don't have gold. We don't believe you.
00:25:29
Bang, bang you dead. But it's serious time when it's
00:25:33
your kid being kidnapped like you.
00:25:35
You can't lie. You have to tell the truth.
00:25:37
Yeah, but the fact that you still ain't found no gold.
00:25:42
OK, I'm just telling you, Rob Cameron.
00:25:46
I don't know if I want to say he needs to die, but he needs to
00:25:49
have his ass seriously whipped for.
00:25:52
All of that, yeah, he can go ahead.
00:25:53
He can go ahead and die 'cause he, he, he gonna die, he gonna
00:25:58
have to die, Yeah, 'cause he gonna keep coming back and he
00:26:01
gonna tell the secret. And he's got help.
00:26:05
So now she's got to sit here and figure out who's who helped him
00:26:10
because who would have who would have known to come looking for
00:26:13
Rob at that particular house? Like, is this somebody that she
00:26:17
already knows? Is this some somebody that Rob
00:26:20
just gave the information? At this point, she doesn't
00:26:23
really know because again, going back to a conversation we had a
00:26:27
few episodes ago, you know, they pretty much keep to themselves,
00:26:31
probably because of the fact that they they have this secret
00:26:36
that they're trying to keep and they're trying to make sure that
00:26:38
nobody else finds it out. But you also put yourself in a
00:26:41
difficult position because again, aside from Fiona and her
00:26:45
husband, who her husband has no idea what's going on, you don't
00:26:49
really have anybody that you do that that can help you or that
00:26:53
can back you up. So, yeah, so now she's gonna
00:26:58
have to figure that out and then at the same time, try to figure
00:27:01
out what she's gonna do about the fact that her husband is in
00:27:03
the past looking for their child and their child is not there.
00:27:08
You know, And I felt bad for Jimmy because he he feels
00:27:11
guilty. He was like, if I had gotten out
00:27:13
sooner, if I had figured it out sooner, then dad wouldn't have
00:27:16
had to go through the stones. I'm like, baby, that is not your
00:27:18
fault. No it's not.
00:27:21
It's a crazy man's fault. Not your fault at all.
00:27:24
But the fact that he was able to figure out what to do and to get
00:27:27
out, OK, so all, all of y'all look, having, having a, a type
00:27:35
of life where you can go back and forth through these standing
00:27:37
stones, you got to be smart 'cause you have to, you have to
00:27:42
be able to think on the fly. And I'm glad you did that.
00:27:44
And it was so cute 'cause he was sitting there and then he was
00:27:48
like, OK, on your feet, soldier, as granny would say.
00:27:51
And I love the fact that he remembers that because for him
00:27:54
that would have been four, maybe five years ago.
00:27:59
So the fact that he kept that in mind and he went from there, I
00:28:01
was like, OK. The Claire.
00:28:03
Claire and Jamie are still having positive influences on
00:28:06
the. Right.
00:28:07
Yeah, They, they have imprinted with him.
00:28:09
He they, he spent a good beginning part of his life with
00:28:13
him. So some things are not going to
00:28:15
go away. He may not remember what they
00:28:16
look like, but he'll remember the things that they said to
00:28:20
him. Yeah.
00:28:21
So. Yeah, but I'm trying to think
00:28:28
there was something else in this episode.
00:28:30
I won't say what else was in this episode.
00:28:32
Boy, what do we spend a lot of time?
00:28:35
Oh, see, we spend a lot of time with Roger figure out the
00:28:41
stones, which also I like that part because it kind of told us
00:28:45
that there's, there are other places where there are stones,
00:28:49
but we don't know, 'cause I got could have got torn down.
00:28:53
Yeah. And then so it'll be nice if she
00:28:56
writes a book about like, I don't know, the beginning of the
00:29:01
stones. Maybe they were used for travel.
00:29:05
I don't know. I'm just making some stuff up
00:29:07
back now. It'll be nice.
00:29:10
Like the history of the standing Stones, because we've seen,
00:29:12
yeah, we've seen what Craig Le Dune.
00:29:17
We've seen the ones that were in Jamaica.
00:29:21
What was that? A bundle way we've seen Ocracoke
00:29:25
and then we've seen these right here and these don't even exist
00:29:29
in the the current time so yeah, that's only four and that's what
00:29:35
England, I mean Scotland, North Carolina or was what was
00:29:40
Ocracoke and yeah, Ocracoke was in North Carolina and then in
00:29:44
Jamaica and then this is another one in Scotland so.
00:29:49
I thought there was another one in the the US.
00:29:53
I the only one that I know of right now is just Ocracoke.
00:29:56
That's the one that Brianna and Rodger.
00:30:00
And Wendigo went through two. I thought he came from up north.
00:30:07
You know, that's a good question.
00:30:10
He came from a different one. Because they did get separated.
00:30:15
Otter Tooth I think came through Ocracoke.
00:30:18
But yeah, Wendigo Donner. And then he said they were what?
00:30:21
There were five of them all together and none of them came
00:30:24
through together or or it could have been that he came through
00:30:28
in a different year. Right, but I thought it was a
00:30:31
different location. I don't know, but I, I don't
00:30:34
recall him mentioning where he came through.
00:30:38
But yeah, the IT would be interesting.
00:30:40
Look, maybe that's what Rodger needs to write a book on when he
00:30:44
finally gets back. Instead of talking about how to
00:30:46
go through the stones, because we already see what kind of
00:30:48
trouble you got into for that, maybe you can just write a book
00:30:52
about the standing stones and about maybe not the magical part
00:30:59
of it and going through the stones.
00:31:02
But yeah, he went through the one in North Carolina.
00:31:07
Ocracoke OK, OK. So yeah, because I think that's
00:31:13
the one that that's the one that Roger passed on his way to the
00:31:18
Mohawk. I think that one was no, no,
00:31:23
you're right. That was a different one.
00:31:25
That wasn't Aquacoke. I don't think because the one
00:31:30
the standing stones are Aquacoke, they got to it via
00:31:34
boat, remember, And then when Rodger and Brianna were going
00:31:42
through within, they took a horse carriage the whole way.
00:31:48
So I don't know now. Now I feel like I have to go
00:31:50
back and look just to be sure. Yeah, and I'm just trying to
00:31:54
search it up. Yeah, but Jamie Fraser in a
00:32:01
uniform. Oh, that was nice.
00:32:05
I I loved it when she was like, well at least it's the right
00:32:08
color this time. I love it.
00:32:13
Yeah. But even with this, yeah, I'm
00:32:15
kind of with you, especially now that you are a general Jamie,
00:32:19
you have a little more, you have a few more resources at at hand.
00:32:26
I need you to go find your friend.
00:32:29
Y'all can fight, be upset with each other.
00:32:31
Don't speak to each other after that please.
00:32:33
I do. I I need you to find him to make
00:32:35
sure he's all right. Yeah, make sure they I do.
00:32:39
That's the one thing. That's the one thing that like
00:32:42
really upset me in this episode, like just the the disregard.
00:32:48
It seemed like disregard. I know he cares but it just
00:32:51
seemed like disregard. I think he's just trying to hold
00:32:54
on to that anger because I mean it.
00:32:57
I know he just seemed like he came back a little different,
00:32:59
that's all. And I understand he, he is
00:33:04
dealing with a trauma and stuff, you know, his brother, best
00:33:09
friend really just died to be honest with you.
00:33:12
So I, I, I, I get it, but I need him to kind of.
00:33:16
Well, I mean and then you care about others that you were
00:33:18
presumed dead. You find out that your wife
00:33:20
married your best friend and not only married him, but also slept
00:33:25
with him. And then your son finds out that
00:33:28
you or his dad on top of all that.
00:33:30
So he's dealing with a lot. I get it.
00:33:34
I think The thing is he's gonna have to face that what he did to
00:33:42
John really was not warranted. And it's it's gonna make him
00:33:48
look at himself, I think, in a different light as well.
00:33:51
And I think he's just trying to avoid that because again, this
00:33:56
is this is a guy who is for all intents and purposes, this is
00:34:00
your best friend. This is a man who has never
00:34:03
disrespected you. Even with him having feelings
00:34:08
for you, he's never crossed that line.
00:34:10
Yeah, he has never. Been disrespectful.
00:34:12
He's never approached Claire in a less than respectful way.
00:34:17
Even when him and Claire were kind of bumping heads, there was
00:34:20
still a little bit of respect there because he knew how much
00:34:24
Jamie loved Claire. So at, yeah, at some point,
00:34:29
Jamie's going to have to sit there and reevaluate his
00:34:32
behavior and the things that he's done and be like, OK, you
00:34:35
know what? I might have overreacted just a
00:34:37
little bit. And then he may not like the
00:34:41
person that he sees when he does that, but just go ahead, do it.
00:34:45
Get it over with. Go get your friend back.
00:34:47
And then you need to go figure out where the hell your son is
00:34:50
'cause we don't see William at all in this episode.
00:34:53
Right, like you know, find out where he is so you can see how
00:34:56
he feels. Help him along here.
00:35:01
Yeah, 'cause the last time you saw him, you kind of threatened
00:35:04
him. Like that is correct.
00:35:07
This mess. Correct.
00:35:09
And then we'll deal with all this other stuff later.
00:35:13
So, but OK, so Ian has his happiness, are you?
00:35:19
Happy. Yeah, yeah, I am happy.
00:35:22
I'm happy. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very
00:35:25
happy. For me.
00:35:27
It was very sweet. And I'm I'm more happy that she
00:35:30
took that hairpiece off. When she took her hair that I
00:35:35
said, oh, Michelle is going to be so.
00:35:37
Happy because and then I was smiling because he basically
00:35:40
said, oh, right. And then, you know, he got to
00:35:42
feel that. Oh, you got a butt?
00:35:45
That is so funny because she was like, you don't really have a
00:35:47
butt, but I like it, yeah. Yeah, OK.
00:35:52
And it was so funny 'cause when, when Ian was trying to get, when
00:35:55
he was getting the advice from Jamie and they were talking
00:35:59
about, you know, how he should be with her and stuff and he
00:36:01
should be gentle and blah, blah, blah.
00:36:03
And then Rachel was there. She was like, come take this off
00:36:07
me husband, I'm ready to go. I.
00:36:08
Was like, yeah, OK, look at that conversation.
00:36:11
I like that conversation too, 'cause, you know, Jane was like,
00:36:15
yeah, it was my first time. Well, the the the Auntie Claire
00:36:21
take the Auntie Claire was just with you.
00:36:23
God knows. And I love the fact that he
00:36:27
brought up Dougal and Rupert and Angus.
00:36:30
Yeah, because that I remember that episode so well.
00:36:34
And they were telling him all this stuff and he's just looking
00:36:36
at them like, and Ian was like, so was their advice.
00:36:40
Good God, No, no, no, but it it was a very sweet episode.
00:36:47
Now I will say this. So they have made one major
00:36:53
change to the show that is is a change from the books.
00:36:59
And that is the fact that, and I can say this now that Jenny is
00:37:02
not in the States because in the books, you know, when they had
00:37:05
that conversation, when in the show where Jamie was like, well,
00:37:09
you can come to America with me and she says no.
00:37:12
And the opposite. She asked Jamie.
00:37:14
She said, well, there's nothing keeping me here at Lally Brock
00:37:17
now. She was like Michael and his
00:37:18
wife are now, you know, they're layered so or or not Michael, I
00:37:24
think it was young Jamie. She said they're in charge now.
00:37:27
I have no place here. I've never, I've never left
00:37:31
Lolly Brock. I want to go to the States with
00:37:33
you. So Jenny actually comes to the
00:37:35
States with Jamie. And eventually when all this
00:37:39
stuff, you know, it's over, she's there.
00:37:42
She's in a lot of the stuff, you know.
00:37:45
So she, she's a big part of the story.
00:37:47
So the fact that she's not here now, I'm just kind of, I'm a
00:37:50
little sad about that. Oh, yeah.
00:37:52
Because in the books, you get to see Ian kind of build this
00:37:56
relationship with his mother. And then of course, he he gets
00:37:59
married to Rachel. So Rachel also gets to build the
00:38:02
relationship with her. And, you know, she gets to learn
00:38:06
about Brianna. She finds out about William.
00:38:09
And it's just, you know, she adds, she adds a lot of humor
00:38:15
and fun to the Ridge and to where I, I forget where they are
00:38:20
now, Philadelphia. And, you know, just her presence
00:38:23
is just better. So the fact that she's not in
00:38:25
the show, I'm a little sad about that.
00:38:27
But I'm hoping maybe at some point she will have decided to
00:38:31
come over and she'll still be included, especially because it
00:38:36
seems like they are starting to bring people into into the show
00:38:43
that I thought wasn't going to be in there.
00:38:45
Like, you know, we saw in the last episode they brought Jane
00:38:48
into the show. And I wasn't sure if they were
00:38:50
going to do that this late because I think he encounters
00:38:53
her a little bit earlier in the storyline.
00:38:55
But yeah, so hopefully we'll basically.
00:38:59
If we try to fire William, that's where he at you with
00:39:01
Jane. He might be.
00:39:04
Sleeping for real. I mean for real like he's
00:39:10
sleeping and she's sleeping and they even and talking.
00:39:13
And she she gonna be mad about sleeping, but she gonna, Yeah.
00:39:17
If he's paying her to sleep. Yeah.
00:39:19
Yeah. But OK.
00:39:23
We have any final thoughts about this episode?
00:39:25
I think we got some good stuff out this episode.
00:39:27
We just need Jamie to get his shit together.
00:39:31
That's it. And so I'm telling you right
00:39:33
now, 'cause I know you watching. I haven't watched it.
00:39:36
Jamie better go find his friend. I swear if he didn't find his
00:39:42
friend or even ask some questions about his.
00:39:46
Friend, you gonna have something to say about it?
00:39:48
I'm gonna have something to say. I still love him, but he better
00:39:54
inquire about his friend. He better go get his.
00:39:56
Friend, I'm OK with him not knowing William 'cause you know
00:39:59
he had to let him go like a butterfly.
00:40:00
Let him go. He will come back when it's time
00:40:03
for him to actually talk. But you beat your friend to a
00:40:07
bloody Pope. Yeah, Dizzle told you he looked
00:40:13
horrible. Yep, he was in a bad state.
00:40:16
Bad state. Broken eye socket.
00:40:19
Broken eye socket. Do you know how hard you have to
00:40:21
hit somebody to break their eye socket?
00:40:25
Do we? So I need you to.
00:40:29
So I'm just telling you before I watch it, he better ask
00:40:33
questions and try to find his friend.
00:40:36
I'm not going to say anything. That's all I got to say.
00:40:40
And he better not be low grade, just pops up at the house.
00:40:43
No, you better be asking somebody or go get him.
00:40:49
You said he better take some some some measured steps to in
00:40:53
that direction. Right.
00:40:55
Yeah, attempt to, you know, sometime because he just seemed
00:41:02
like he chilling. So sometime today, Jamie,
00:41:06
sometime today. Well, like I said, he he has
00:41:09
his, he has his uniform. Now he can start making some
00:41:14
inquiries, especially since he knows that Lord John Gray was
00:41:19
prisoner in a militia camp. Now he can start asking about
00:41:23
that. Yeah.
00:41:25
Yeah, so we will see how that goes and and we'll see if
00:41:29
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00:41:33
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