#outlander Claire struggles through her new sense of normal, finding comfort in an unexpected place. Ian bares all to Rachel. Captain Richardson proposes a secret alliance with Claire. Brianna is confronted with the truth of Jem's disappearance, while Roger and Buck inch closer to finding Jerry Mackenzie. Claire and Lord John see a ghost in the flesh. William learns a lifelong secret.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and we are discussing Season 7 episode
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11101111 episode 11 of Outlander.
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And I'm going to say it just like I said it in the last
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episode, I would really like for Claire to be able to have a
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wedding that she is happy to be at.
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Granted, we didn't see her wedding to Frank, but still, the
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fact that he just kind of. Sprung it on her.
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We sort of sort of her went into Frank, sort of.
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We saw them slide on into the courthouse.
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Yeah, but that's not sort of that.
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That's not the same. So Hanukkah was creating a
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GoFundMe for players. Like Claire and Jamie need to
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have a renewal of vows where they can sit there and they can
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say their vows and she's actually looking at him like, oh
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God, surprise. That they haven't done that.
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But wait a second, what would? They have time between when.
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Married. He got married after she left.
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He got married, yes, and we we don't even know what that
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wedding was like, but it. Was but what I'm saying is and
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then so when she came back, they let it later.
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Have a wedding but they have time between Claire.
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And they were building, they had time when they were building the
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cab. I mean the cabin house, whatever
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the big house do. You remember all that other
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stuff that was going on? They didn't have time between
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all. The other day, it is not like
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you need hope. They could have went to the top
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of that mountain and declared their love together and
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exchanged by. They don't take.
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They had too much going on, OK? They were just.
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I'm just. Surprised, because officially I
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I'm confused and we really look back legally.
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Are they really married anyway? Well, Claire.
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And Jamie are legally married but I think because of the fact
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that she came back and it was proven that she was still alive,
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his marriage to Leary was invalidated now.
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But no, her her her marriage to Jamie is invalid because she was
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married to. Frank.
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That, that, that's 200 years apart.
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That's not she got married in the church.
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They got married legally in a courthouse, so really?
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But technically speaking, her marriage to Jamie is first
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because Frank hadn't been born. Yeah.
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But that's not even right. So when she did get married for
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the first time, it was invalid and illegal.
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OK, so they just need to, they just need to redo because Frank
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is dead. I just need Claire to have a
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wedding where she could say her vows to her groom.
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It actually mean it and not be depressed and not be grieving
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and not be half there because you went back.
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You went back to look at the wedding episode, right?
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And she did not look at Jamie now and tell why she was saying
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those. But the.
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Only time she woke up is when they cut her off and she was
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like what what's happening? Right.
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Like, huh, What's going on? Yes.
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So I need Claire to have a proper wedding, OK?
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Like everyone go sign on to the Go fund, yeah.
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I mean with with, you know, friends of the bride on one side
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and friends of the groom on the other side and I need her to.
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All I know is this wedding needed to be short.
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They keep adding words. Yeah, I just needed her to say I
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do nothing else. Well, you know, they got to get,
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they got to give it some kind of pretense, like it's a real like
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Lord Josh said. I just need you to have her
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repeat. I do.
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She cannot do anything else. But that's the that's also the
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reason why Misses Fig and William were there as witnesses,
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because anybody else they would have been like, excuse me, does
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she even really want to be here? At least with William and Misses
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Fig, they understand what the situation is because I'm pretty
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sure with Miss Misses Fig being the main servant, the main, you
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know, the person who runs the house there.
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I'm sure she's aware of the conversations that go on.
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So she probably knows why Lord John married her.
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William, I think was he, he was justified in going to his dad
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and saying, hey, Are you sure? Like, why did you do this?
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Because she's a rebel and I understand her husband was your
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friend, but still, like you are putting your name as a top
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British soldier, as a loyal British subject, you are
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putting, you know that you're going to, you're going to put
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that on shaky ground because you're marrying a rebel.
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And well, you should have stopped asking your dad because
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he's been crying for days, so clearly this man meant a lot to
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him. Yeah, but you know, back then
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again, most men don't don't give in to their feelings like that
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and they don't talk about. It because even when I talk
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about that's why I see it. You should get a clue that
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clearly I got something deep going on.
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I mean I'm not saying deep like that, but like he like a brother
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because you moping like she moping.
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I mean, I teach y'all to get out of date.
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But it's kind of I understand the kind of position.
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Because he did the right thing making sure any good friend or
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son would be like an easier or you want to.
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Yeah. But like Laura, John is already
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in a precarious position. One, because William is Jamie's
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son. He's trying his best to keep
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that secret. But also he has to think about
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how it looks to other people. Like you are friends with the
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Rebel. And if you remember, and I think
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that was Season 6 when they when they met, right before Brianna
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and Rodger went back through the stones, they had that
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conversation and Jamie was like, it's probably a good idea for us
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to cease our friendship because we're on opposite sides of this
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thing. So.
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I don't even think it mattered. I think he just, he loved Jamie
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so much. She just want to take care of
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the things that Jamie loved and he's been doing it since the
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beginning, so he's going to continue on.
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And I love how they they show Claire like she's in the miss of
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the ceremony. She's having a hard time
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struggling with that last little line until, you know, what was
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it to love and to honor until death do us part.
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She was having a hard time getting through that line.
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And, you know, Lord John just kind of takes her hand to
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reassure her, like, OK, everything is OK.
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And when she looks up and she looks at William, her whole face
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changes because you're like, this is my husband's son there.
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There is another piece of him in the world.
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And then you also get to think about it like, I actually kind
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of sort of get to be a mother to his son now.
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And now and I see him walking around and it will give me my
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lovely memories. But I'm going to tell you right
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now, OK, I got another thing at the end of this series.
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I will. All three rings to be on on both
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her hands because friends, I I didn't realize she was still
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wearing Frank's ring. Yes.
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So now I'm like, well, you better have Williams ring on.
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You mean on the Lord John? On a a pinky finger.
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Yeah, but you OK, So if you'll remember the episode in Season 6
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when Jacosta was getting married, you remember that that
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Stevie Phillip Wiley, who who was trying to accost Claire in
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the stable and remember, Jamie took both of the rings to go bet
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against him. And him And Claire had a big
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conversation about that because she was like, whether you going
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to take Frank's ring? Because Phillip Wiley was
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looking at it. You know, he had made a comment
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about, wait, so you're here with your husband, but you still wear
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the ring of your dead husband. Oh, that you must be a a rare
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breed of woman, some kind of loyal woman.
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And he was really looking at Frank's ring because of course,
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Frank's ring is gold. So Jamie was trying to get the
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ring from her to go, you know, to go bet.
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And she was pissed off. She was like, well, if you don't
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take this one, you might as well take this one too.
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And then he wanted. People, we should not be mad at
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Frank. She still wears.
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You know what? We're not having this
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conversation. I'm just saying we're not having
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this conversation right now. We're talking about a whole
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different husband now. We.
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Don't understand 'cause then you know Frank, but you know she
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still wears his ring. We will talk.
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And she totally understood why he had an affair.
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We was her heart wasn't easy. Yes, that's true.
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But we will. He was a great.
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Fan, you know what we're going to.
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Talk about Frank another time, so I understand.
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So now I want her to have all three.
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All three rings are. Yeah, because the one thing
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about their their marriage, Claire and Lord John and, you
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know, again, we're going through the episode, it's like weeks
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because you hear that in just the different language.
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When they go to visit Henry. He mentions that it's been weeks
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since the surgery and, you know, so we're getting little bits of,
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you know, indicators of time. But I just think it's so
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interesting that they are both grieving this man.
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And even though Claire says in their moment of of grief, when
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he's comforting her in the in the room, you know, she was
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like, he's not yours, he's not yours mourn.
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But at the same time, I think she also understands the depth
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of the feelings that Lord John has. 4th Jamie and it's kind of
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weird but but they can kind of comfort each other in a way.
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But I love the fact that even though this is not a marriage of
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love, it's more so a marriage of convenience.
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He's still, he still treats Claire with that kind of
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respect. And, you know, he does little
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things like, OK, I know, you know, I I didn't tell you we
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were going to host this dinner, but I had this dress made for
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you. And when he told her opening, he
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was like opening. It was almost like a, you know,
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giving a present. He is.
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He is just so. Yeah.
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Yeah, are you saying liking Claire with a double entendre?
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No, I, we clearly, we clearly he clearly put out forth it.
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No, he don't like Claire that way.
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Yeah, it's been 15 years maybe plus.
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Since he had been with a woman, right?
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Yeah, and. He was being with her just to be
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close to James so. Yeah.
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And I don't think, I don't think that was something that they did
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on purpose. It was he came in like, I'm not
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going to. I'm sitting there screaming and
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he over there drinking and was like.
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And she's drinking too. Right after she tried to kill
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herself, I was like, but I was looking at Claire like, we are
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not about to have a Romeo and Juliet moment.
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Because the moment she would have killed herself, Jamie would
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have walked through the door and been like what the fuck?
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And then he definitely would have killed Lord John, right?
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You couldn't. You couldn't keep her.
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Or, or, or even on the opposite end of that, he would have
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understood because of Lord John was giving her her space.
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You know, he probably wasn't thinking that she would do
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something like that. You know, she's a strong person.
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She is. You would, you know.
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So. And I like I, I was thinking, I
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like when Ian was talking to her, like, OK, I'm going to say
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goodbye to you because I figured you going to go home.
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And I was thinking the same thing I told you off, you know,
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on the air that, oh, she will go home and be with her grandkids.
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And like how she said, like, the future is not it's not my time.
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This is my time, right? Yeah.
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I'm like, OK, honey, she's not going nowhere.
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Yeah, because she wasn't. So that's why they need to die
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together. You know what?
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Because even in the future when she was living, as she said, she
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was living a half life, she was there with a husband that she
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cared for and she did love, but she didn't love him in the way
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that she loved Jamie. And, you know, she was just kind
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of, I guess in, in a sense counting time.
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Yeah, she would have been in that room.
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Just I don't know. Here.
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Be down to her knees, matted like they just pass on her food,
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barely making. It like Missus Havisham in a
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great expectation. Yeah, that would have been
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Claire. That would have been her.
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But that is not the case when Claire has her, her moment of
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crisis, when she gets ready to cut her arm open with one of her
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surgical tools, she starts having the you know, she starts
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hearing Jamie's voice replaying her head, saying, you know all
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the different things about Claire.
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I can't, I can't imagine you dead that that would be more
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than I can handle. And you know, nothing.
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What does he say? Nothing dies.
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It's only changed. Nothing ever dies.
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It's only changed. And he's talking about, do you
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see how small such a thing is as death is between US?
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And she's hearing all this stuff and she's like, frustrated
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'cause she doesn't want to live without him.
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But at the same time, I think she understood that for her, I
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think for her to kill herself even because she's grieving Kim,
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I think that would have been dishonorable to his memory, you
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know, and everything that they share.
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Because like you said, yes, he is gone.
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You still have a daughter out there in the world.
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You still have grandchildren out there in the world.
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You still have this extended family that would be affected by
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your death, not only by your death, but by your death on top.
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Of his death, yeah, but she. I know, I know, think.
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About that because first of all, she already know to her daughter
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she's dead. Yeah, anyway.
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Yeah. But so OK.
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Yeah, but she's in that room. She's screaming.
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Lord John is downstairs with his alcohol and his chess board,
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looking at the empty chair. And he stumbles upstairs and he
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tells her, he says, I will not mourn him alone tonight.
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And you see kind of like these in and out images of him
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comforting her, of her beating and screaming at him.
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Like I said, she told him, she said he is not yours, he's not
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yours. The morn.
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And you just see them kind of comforting them, each other.
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And then it gets to a point where you see them kind of
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clawing at each other, taking each other's clothes off.
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Then the screen goes black and then it comes back and Claire's
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in the bed waking up and she's in the bed with Lord John now.
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I. Prefer that I will say this.
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I love the way that they did that because as much as I love
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Lord John's character and even with Claire, I don't I don't
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have an objection to that union. If I, if I had known, not known
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that Jamie was alive, you know what I'm saying?
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Because I think that they would be a good comfort to each other.
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And then I think. With Claire, if he was truly
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dead, right, If we knew he was really, really, really right,
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yeah, I would be. That would be like the perfect
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thing because that gives you the freedom to kind of do the things
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that you need to do. It's another like you can be the
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doctor you want to be. You can be a spy.
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Like you can be in the rooms where other people can be in the
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rooms. So it will been a perfect union
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and then you will be able to be around his son, you know, see
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his son get married and have kids.
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So it would it would have been the greatest thing.
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But also that is a friendship that they both need, I think.
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Yeah, they do. Because even even with the bed
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talk, the pillow talk that she and Lord John were having, and
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she was like, have you never talked about things with your
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lover in bed? And he was like, no, like, and
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and she was just looking at him like, that's so sad because
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again, the whole idea of marriage back then, like Laura
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Johns says, he said, I know many conventional marriages where the
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spouses don't know anything about each other.
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They don't really, you know, it's kind.
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And I just, I couldn't imagine it being in that kind of
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marriage. Right.
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And see, what helped Claire in marriage with Jamie was because
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of the time she's from, even though it's different.
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Yes, she talked with Frank. So then with Jamie, because I
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realized that we're watching the wedding episode, I was like,
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Jamie, you talk a lot like you telling things that you probably
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shouldn't be telling, but he was telling.
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But it was nice. So that's how they grew really
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close to each other quickly because he was having those
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vulnerable, intimate moments with her where he was talking.
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I'm like, well, you spill the beans.
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Like he talked about anything. Like, I never touch a boob.
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And I mean, it was like, you tell everything, but what did
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the guy say about you? This is what the guy said about
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you. I mean, you said every little
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thing. But I think which?
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Opens her up to talk so he is a talker.
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The only time he wasn't talking, but he was going through a
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trauma that that was the only time it was quiet.
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She had to pull it out of him. But he's a talker.
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So the reason why their marriage is like that, I don't think that
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I think it's because of the time Claire was in.
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And Jamie is a very open person. And that's hard to find someone
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who is open, that's freely like tell you his feelings and, you
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know, not afraid to be like they said, you know, I should stay
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down there longer and eat because if not, they be like I'm
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whipped. I look too.
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And she said, what you say I'm whipped.
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I was like, OK over that. Yeah, yeah.
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So I think that that helped them a lot too.
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And then also. So it said that Lord John
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doesn't have that. Yeah, but also with them, you
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know, they were getting married and they really didn't know
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anything about each other. And for for Jamie to be a man of
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that time, to be 23 years old, had never been with a woman
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because most of the people, I mean, this time, most of the
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fathers are taking their sons to the whore houses at 1415 to, you
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know, break them in or whatever. And the fact that Jamie never
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did that, one that talks about his character as a man.
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And I think part of his talkativeness during that time
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was to let Claire understand this is who I am as a person
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when I say that I am yours. Now, But I mean it.
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And then going back, the reason why, I think it's because of his
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parents, Yeah. He had a good example.
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To you like so I think they like 'cause you even see his
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relationship with sisters. They talk so they had a family
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that like shared things which. Made him respectful because he's
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very respectful of women. So I think that started from
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that. We're doing some family therapy
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here that started when he was younger.
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But going back to that scene, I really enjoyed.
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No, I am thankful that they did not show them having sex.
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I don't. Think I would have I.
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Don't. I don't want to see that because
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the only person I want to see her with is James.
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And yeah, I'm OK with Jamie dies her being with another person.
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But it's just better that we really don't know.
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But know what they did. Yeah, we know he she beat him up
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because he. Had scratch marks.
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All over his chest. And we know it's it was probably
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not your basic vanilla because he apologized to her for not
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being very gentlemanly. And she was like, well, I don't
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think I was very ladylike either.
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So, and the fact that she didn't even remember, she was like, I,
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I, I rather thought I dreamt that, you know, you're drunk,
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you're in the throes of grief and rage and all of this other
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stuff. And you had a moment.
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But I like that they didn't shy away from it.
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It was just kind of like, OK, so they're sitting there talking
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and you kind of sort of see them getting a little comfortable
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with each other just talking. And like I said, I feel like
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that is a friendship that they both need because her her
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experiences with Lord John mostly came through Jamie.
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And I think at this point, just like he tells her later on in
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the episode, he was like, in this house, we have to survive.
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And if we can do this together, then we will always have him,
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which is true. Like, let's let's work together.
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Yeah. But it is also very weird
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because, again, you are talking about a man who was also in love
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with your husband. So.
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I I get that it he did say that it has moved on to just a, a, a
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deeper connection with him that necessarily don't have to be
00:22:09
that we have to be Yeah, yeah, he's a great friendship and I'm
00:22:13
like literally raising his. Son, Yeah, yeah, because when
00:22:17
she asked him about that, that time that Jamie asked in his
00:22:21
body, yeah, he was like, yeah, if I would have taken that, then
00:22:24
it would have tarnished what came after that, the friendship.
00:22:28
And that was the most important thing to me.
00:22:31
And I'm glad that she told him also.
00:22:33
Yours was one of the friendships Jamie cherish the most in this
00:22:37
life. So I'm glad that he has that and
00:22:40
that they had that and I'm. You know that he was a great
00:22:45
person for his son. Right, right.
00:22:49
Because really, if Jamie didn't, if Jamie had a problem with
00:22:52
Lord. Yeah, he would have said
00:22:53
something long time ago and try to take that boy and stuff like
00:22:56
that, so he knew it was a great person.
00:23:01
But then so they go through the motions again.
00:23:06
We don't have an we don't know for sure how much time has
00:23:11
elapsed. But Claire does have to make an
00:23:13
appearance with Lord John as his wife at a dinner thrown for the
00:23:20
British. And I really was wondering, I
00:23:25
was like, how is Claire going to keep her mouth shut?
00:23:27
But again, Claire is in mourning.
00:23:29
So she had her whole personality is different, is so different.
00:23:33
So even when the young girl who was trying to dance, who was
00:23:36
trying to flirt with William asked her, she was like, so Lady
00:23:39
Grey, what do you think about these things?
00:23:41
And Claire was like, I wouldn't think to give my opinion.
00:23:44
I was like, Oh yeah, this is definitely not.
00:23:47
But guess what? She still gave her opinion.
00:23:48
Because when the girl walked off, she looked at him like,
00:23:51
why? You can't dance with her, right?
00:23:53
She was nice. She was nice, but she she was
00:23:56
also very, very aggressive. But she was like, she was nice.
00:24:00
She could at least dance with her, right?
00:24:02
I can't because, you know, I don't feel it.
00:24:04
I don't feel like dancing since Rachel left.
00:24:07
But yeah. But OK.
00:24:09
So Speaking of Rachel, we'll come back to the clear stuff
00:24:11
later. But Speaking of Rachel, finally,
00:24:14
Ian and Rachel finally get everything out in the open.
00:24:17
They both finally said that they love each other and Ian tells
00:24:22
Rachel about Emily and his past. With the Mohawk and everything.
00:24:27
So I was like I was. Glad for that because I wasn't
00:24:29
sure if he was on tail or not. I don't think I'm like this is
00:24:33
you need to. Tail Yeah, Ian is much like his
00:24:36
uncle James. That's.
00:24:37
What I'm saying he's he's been around.
00:24:39
Where he just doesn't have the Polish.
00:24:41
Yeah, he just wants to talk. Or you just assume, I assume
00:24:44
that I already asked you that we were going to get married.
00:24:46
Just because you told me you love Ian baby, that's not how
00:24:50
this. Works she told you I loved you
00:24:52
so we're we haven't even he haven't even gotten that far.
00:24:56
This this is not how this works. I mean, he was in complete
00:25:00
surprise. Like we didn't talk about
00:25:01
marriage. Rachel was like, no, I think I
00:25:06
would have known if you asked me to marry you.
00:25:10
I wouldn't remember that part. Right.
00:25:12
I don't drink so I wouldn't remember.
00:25:14
Right. But you also with within you
00:25:18
know, one of the things that we talked about in the last
00:25:20
episode, we were kind of worried about seeing how he reacts did
00:25:24
to the news of Jamie's death. So we don't get the actual
00:25:28
reaction, but we do get to see him making the Cairn and talking
00:25:32
about it and his conversation with Claire, what he talks
00:25:34
about. I feel like I lost 2 fathers,
00:25:38
but y'all gonna stop trying to make me cry.
00:25:41
But yeah, I like the fact that we are seeing a little bit more
00:25:47
of in and Rachel's relationship and them coming together because
00:25:51
that was one of the things I was saying.
00:25:52
You know, we saw a lot of her, the build up of her friendship
00:25:55
and potential relationship with William and I felt like we
00:25:59
wasn't seeing enough of that within.
00:26:01
But now we're starting to see it.
00:26:03
So I'm, I'm glad because I don't think he would have kept the
00:26:08
Emily stuff from Rachel because that's too big a thing to keep.
00:26:13
But also at the same time, it's, it's kind of like when he's
00:26:16
sitting there, he's talking about his dad, he's talking
00:26:19
about Jamie. He's lost them both.
00:26:21
And then he has to tell this woman that he loves that he was
00:26:24
formerly married and that he got kicked out because they lost two
00:26:28
children and. Didn't find out I actually did
00:26:31
have a. Right.
00:26:32
And then you find out that you do have a son, but you can't
00:26:35
raise him because it's, you know, he's better off than that.
00:26:39
It's like one of the things that you always say, you realize how
00:26:43
much Ian has lost and you just want him to have a sliver of
00:26:47
happiness. So I'm I'm so glad that Rachel
00:26:50
is of that understanding sort where she listens to this, that
00:26:54
she was like, OK, you know what? You just unloaded everything on
00:26:56
me. I love you.
00:26:58
I'm telling you very. Very honest man but I what I
00:27:01
really liked about that conversation is when he said
00:27:05
Emily chose me. But I grateful.
00:27:08
But I choose you wholeheartedly and I hope you choose me too.
00:27:13
And she does sound like AR and B song.
00:27:15
You know what we talk about art No, that was for that was for
00:27:21
Walking Dead because I was like something something that was
00:27:24
happening. I was like OK y'all just going
00:27:26
to make AR and B playlist so OK. But I'm I'm glad they finally
00:27:31
got that out the way and and. I really need to take that
00:27:36
bonnet off and let that hair down.
00:27:38
But you know, it's just it probably it better comes and get
00:27:42
her straight now. Get her straight.
00:27:44
But I think as a Quaker, she has to keep her hair cut.
00:27:46
I want it down. OK.
00:27:49
OK. All right.
00:27:50
OK. So basically.
00:27:52
Oh, OK. I was going to say, you trying
00:27:54
to say you want to see a honeymoon singing?
00:27:57
No, I mean, I don't want to. No, I don't want to see them do
00:27:59
anything. I just, you know, I just her to
00:28:02
just, you know, they be out in the running in the field and her
00:28:05
hair just flowing. I don't know, OK with them.
00:28:08
They just look so happy. Yeah.
00:28:10
She just looks so pinned up right now.
00:28:11
Right. Just for me.
00:28:12
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:13
OK. But I understand.
00:28:15
Going back to the Claire and Lord John thing.
00:28:17
So did I not tell you, Cap, Captain Richardson was a little
00:28:21
shady? He was, but he played like you
00:28:25
don't know these people. You don't know and then.
00:28:28
First of all, this ain't the time.
00:28:31
OK? You figured out who she was, but
00:28:34
this ain't that. You don't know for sure their
00:28:37
relationship, right? So for you to be like, yeah, you
00:28:41
could be a double spy. Yeah, I want you to spy on your
00:28:44
husband and tell me. Oh, also, I want some dirt on
00:28:47
his brother because how is it? How is back home in Britain
00:28:52
talking to the House of Lords about reconciliation?
00:28:55
He's trying to end the war. He's trying to say, look, there
00:28:59
are losses on both sides. This is accomplishing nothing
00:29:03
less. Let's see what we can do to
00:29:05
bring about peace. And Richardson is like, no, we
00:29:08
don't want that because that'll undermine everything we've been
00:29:11
through, everything that we've done.
00:29:13
So I want you to spy on your husband, and I want you to get
00:29:15
some dirt on his brother. Claire was like, excuse me, Sir.
00:29:20
She should have been like, do you not see these three rings on
00:29:22
my hand? I'm a very Lord woman.
00:29:25
I'm not. I'm not.
00:29:26
Betraying my hair. I'm about to betray my husband
00:29:30
or his family for you. Yeah.
00:29:32
And then he tries to threaten her where I where I you need to
00:29:37
keep my confidence because people are already suspicious of
00:29:43
the. Fact that, she said.
00:29:44
You don't have to threaten me. I'm not going to tell on.
00:29:46
You. She was like, we are on the same
00:29:47
side. But I'm not going to do what you
00:29:50
want me to do though. You don't.
00:29:52
You don't want to piss Claire off.
00:29:53
Look, Claire got a whole bunch of potions.
00:29:56
Yeah, but now this turns into a plus.
00:29:59
The fuck with Jamie be alive is a lot to unpack.
00:30:03
It is with how that's handled. Yeah.
00:30:06
Because again, because she's clearly she's not going to stay
00:30:10
married to Lord John. So he look like he's been
00:30:14
harboring a spot. You know, it's just a lot.
00:30:17
OK, so let's talk about Jamie coming back, because this
00:30:19
happens almost at the end of the episode.
00:30:22
Claire and Laura John are in her room.
00:30:24
He's bringing the mail, talking about all the invitations they
00:30:28
have, and he's getting ready to open another letter.
00:30:31
And you hear Missus Fig downstairs.
00:30:33
There's a visitor who comes. And I think it was Jamie's
00:30:36
letter. No, he said.
00:30:37
It was, it was somebody else, somebody having to do with the
00:30:42
war and the the the soldiers and stuff.
00:30:47
But, you know, there's a knock at the door.
00:30:50
She says, oh, yeah, they're upstairs.
00:30:52
Well, I can announce you. And Jamie just kind of barrels
00:30:55
past her and comes into the room, says Claire's name.
00:30:58
And of course, there's a reunion.
00:31:00
Claire and Lord John are both looking thunderstruck.
00:31:05
Claire, of course, has to get her kiss in.
00:31:07
And she was like, do it again. He was like, I, I wish I could,
00:31:09
but I got. He said.
00:31:10
There's a number of British soldiers coming after me.
00:31:14
I'm like, Jamie, you just got here.
00:31:15
How the fuck are you in trouble already?
00:31:17
Like, what did you do? Well.
00:31:21
Clearly he don't have papers and he been evading everyone to get
00:31:24
to the. Well, he don't have papers.
00:31:27
Yeah, they're asking all the men from papers, and this man is
00:31:30
moving fast and sneaking around buildings without giving papers.
00:31:33
That's they looking for. Yeah, that's true.
00:31:36
But anyway, so Lord John looks at them, and it's so funny
00:31:40
because right after he gets over his shock of seeing Jamie alive,
00:31:44
he turns and he looks down. And you know, the thought that's
00:31:47
going through his head is he's about to kill me.
00:31:51
He's going to kill me when he finds out.
00:31:54
But he was like, hate to disturb this happy reunion, but your son
00:31:58
is on his way home. And Jamie is like William, he's
00:32:01
here. They get ready to leave.
00:32:03
William is standing right outside the door.
00:32:05
He was like son. And Jamie is just looking like
00:32:09
oh shit. But also I feel like Jamie was
00:32:12
looking at that with a sigh of relief because now is all out
00:32:16
there in the open. You.
00:32:18
Say stop pretending. Sorry, he did.
00:32:20
That whole government name. Yeah, because you got to
00:32:24
remember when, when William first knew him, he was Alex
00:32:27
Mackenzie. Now he knows him as James
00:32:30
Fraser. So he was like, who are you,
00:32:34
James? Yep, James Alexander Malcolm
00:32:37
Mackenzie Fraser and who am I? And I remember when I read that
00:32:41
line in the book when he said you are stinking papist and your
00:32:45
baptismal name is William, William James.
00:32:48
I fell out laughing in the book because I thought it was so cute
00:32:52
that he was like, you are stinking papist because
00:32:54
remember, this is what you wanted.
00:32:55
You wanted to be a stinking papist because you love me at
00:32:58
this time. And I love that he he brought
00:33:01
that to him to kind of maybe soften it or make him realize.
00:33:04
But William at this point is pissed.
00:33:06
Oh no, I'm I'm not finding the humor in this at.
00:33:09
All and nothing, because now your whole world is turned
00:33:14
upside. Down and Dad you a lie you're
00:33:16
all new, you're all liars but well, I feel so bad for.
00:33:22
Him. I'm so glad it's out in the open
00:33:23
now because. I do too.
00:33:25
Like I said, I've been I really want William to be pulled into
00:33:31
maybe not fully pulled into Jamies world because you know
00:33:34
there's going to be some anger there, just like it wasn't I no,
00:33:40
I think it's I think, I think forgive them in two episodes,
00:33:44
not saying forgive them, but I think.
00:33:47
And not forgive, but just be a part of that group.
00:33:50
I think like want to have an actual conversation about this?
00:33:53
I ask about his sister. Yeah, I think so.
00:33:55
You. Think so?
00:33:56
OK. All right.
00:33:58
Just based on what I know from the books, there are some things
00:34:02
that there's there's going to be tension for a long time, I will
00:34:05
say. Forgive Lord John.
00:34:10
That's in question because the 10th book has not been out yet.
00:34:13
So I'll, I'll tell you about that off the air.
00:34:16
But, but I, I think that there will be some tension, but I do
00:34:22
think that there will be kind of sort of an olive branch to be
00:34:26
extended, especially because there are events that are going
00:34:29
to happen if they do them on the show, that's going to kind of
00:34:34
require William and Jamie to work together.
00:34:37
OK, so but he also has to get back with his dad because he.
00:34:42
Yeah. And he loves him, too, Yeah.
00:34:45
And he loves them. He.
00:34:46
Told him the other day like you were my greatest joy.
00:34:48
So you boy? Yeah.
00:34:50
But I'm gonna. Be like Ian to get 2 proposed.
00:34:53
Yeah, but you you got, we have to give him time.
00:34:56
Yeah, we do. He has.
00:34:57
To to get it out to, to process it and to also, again, your
00:35:01
whole identity is now like you've been raised as Lord
00:35:07
Ellesmere. Yeah.
00:35:11
So everything that you've known about yourself is not true.
00:35:14
So we got to give them time to process it.
00:35:17
And I know that Jamie and Lord John will respect that.
00:35:22
But of course, we don't know how that's going to happen because
00:35:24
the Red Coats burst into the house to try to get Jamie and
00:35:28
William. Of course, he's pissed, but he's
00:35:31
even more pissed that the Red Coats just burst it.
00:35:34
How dare you come into the House of Lord John Gray like this?
00:35:38
And so Jamie points a gun at Lower John and he takes some
00:35:42
hostage and they leave. And Claire is sitting there
00:35:46
smiling like, OK, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but
00:35:49
this is this is great. Yeah, that's the important.
00:35:52
Thing and I said and then we should have gave her a few more
00:35:55
minutes of filming and didn't have her realize.
00:35:59
Oh, she'll remember. She'll she'll.
00:36:01
But you know what? I don't think so because she's
00:36:05
not going to look at it. And Oh no she won't.
00:36:07
But she know. But also she didn't.
00:36:09
She know, she didn't, and ultimately he was dead.
00:36:12
And second of all, she knows him, so they just have to.
00:36:15
Talk about it. Yeah, now it's going to be.
00:36:18
He going to be mad, but not mad at her.
00:36:21
Yeah. Because he's not going to be
00:36:23
like, oh, I feel like you're hard as somewhere he knows.
00:36:28
Right, I think it would. I think the thing because once
00:36:31
you make. It hard 1 honey I sat in my own
00:36:34
crap and pee for like 2 weeks in that bed 2 I almost slit not my
00:36:40
wrist. I went for the real vein right
00:36:43
here where we take you know give blood and stuff.
00:36:46
Three, I don't even know what I was going to do.
00:36:50
My heart stopped. I'm a whole totally different
00:36:52
woman. Yeah.
00:36:53
So excuse me if I needed comfort.
00:36:56
Yeah. But I think the thing that's
00:36:58
really going to be hard for him, I think he wouldn't have because
00:37:03
of the circumstances, because she thought he was dead.
00:37:05
Like, really, really dead. Like I literally had a man come
00:37:08
in and tell me that he saw your boat.
00:37:11
Go down your signature, yeah. That your boat went in the
00:37:15
water? Yeah, I think if she had taken
00:37:19
comfort with someone else, he probably wouldn't have worried.
00:37:23
I think it's just the fact that it was Lord John, which for me,
00:37:30
I feel like no, I would. Think it would be worse with
00:37:32
someone else I think. It's OK with Lord John?
00:37:34
No, because Lord John. Because Lord John, even though
00:37:38
he doesn't feel the same way, Lord John.
00:37:41
Because it would be different if Claire was presumed dead and you
00:37:46
would and found Leary again and had relations.
00:37:50
I'd be like what? Well here's the thing, the first
00:37:53
time you did it, you you know that Leary was the person who
00:37:56
tried to have Claire Byrne as a witch.
00:37:59
So you were dumb for doing that in the 1st place.
00:38:02
Lord John, I feel like he's too close to the situation.
00:38:05
And because him and Jamie, even though Jamie does not
00:38:08
reciprocate his feelings, he does love Lord John.
00:38:12
Like that is his closest friend. That is the person he trusted
00:38:16
with the other most precious thing to him.
00:38:19
I think because of that proximity, because of that
00:38:22
closeness, that might be the thing that makes it hard for
00:38:26
Jamie, because how can you still be best friends with this man
00:38:29
knowing this man has been with your wife?
00:38:31
Yeah. You know, so that's going to be
00:38:34
something that they're going to have to reconcile the.
00:38:39
Deal and figure it out. You know, he they're mature,
00:38:43
they're older now. It'll be different if they were
00:38:46
younger. They're mature now.
00:38:48
I think it'll be all right. I think it'll just be 1 episode.
00:38:50
We're dealing with this. All you have to do is just beat
00:38:55
them up one good time to get that energy out.
00:38:57
That's seriously, that's all they you know, all he needs to
00:39:00
sleep with Claire and beat up Lord John and just and then they
00:39:05
done. OK, OK, I got you.
00:39:09
Yeah. I got you going back to Lord
00:39:13
John though the situation with Henry and Mercerwood.
00:39:17
I tell you because they were just throwing those eyes at each
00:39:20
other. And they've been throwing them
00:39:22
eyes. Again I told y'all she just she
00:39:26
was upset and she was having a disagreement with that husband.
00:39:31
She wasn't too upset because she had found love.
00:39:34
But you know, it had been probably over a year, so she
00:39:37
probably. Don't matter.
00:39:38
She found love. She was good.
00:39:41
You say he's at a better place. I'm going with my life now.
00:39:48
But the fact that they are trying to get married in 17, in
00:39:51
the late 1700s, yeah, very brave of them.
00:39:56
But Lord John was like, absolutely not.
00:39:59
He was like, he is What about Viscount Asher, son of the Duke
00:40:05
of Partlow? No, he is not about to have any
00:40:08
secret wedding or otherwise, unless his dad agrees.
00:40:10
And his dad will never agree to this.
00:40:12
And I love that Claire, even in her grief, even though her her
00:40:17
personality is kind of. Resigned at this point.
00:40:22
I love the fact that she still calls him out on it.
00:40:24
She was like, I never would have taken you to be a bigot.
00:40:27
He was like, I'm, I'm not. I'm trying to keep them from
00:40:29
making a mistake. And then when she presses, yeah,
00:40:35
when she presses it a little further, he was like, look, I
00:40:38
know what it's like to have the type of love where you can be
00:40:44
condemned for, where you know it will be met with criticism and
00:40:49
violence, and the type of marriage they're trying to do is
00:40:53
illegal. He was like, I don't want them
00:40:55
to go through that. Neither one of them.
00:40:57
Neither. One of them and I see his point.
00:41:00
It's just a way, of course, he's a British man, he's a very proud
00:41:06
man and. He said he just had to learn how
00:41:08
to live his life in secret. He probably was like dude, you
00:41:10
can't figure out this another way Marry you another woman and
00:41:15
get but no, this is like car to come along.
00:41:19
Nah, he's like, she is not going to be my mistress because.
00:41:23
It and she ain't. She ain't going to have that.
00:41:26
Because even when Laura John was like, Henry, can I talk to you
00:41:28
in private? She said.
00:41:29
With all due respect, sorry, this is my house.
00:41:32
Whatever you going to say about my future, you can say it in
00:41:35
front of me. He was like, OK, so I don't know
00:41:39
how that's going to go because I don't think I don't think they
00:41:45
got married in the books. I don't think there was a thing
00:41:48
where they were trying to get married in the books.
00:41:50
But also at this point, how was already in town?
00:41:54
I think no, he was coming to town.
00:41:56
And so there's a lot that takes place in the books with how,
00:41:59
which I don't know if they're going to do on the show because
00:42:01
I don't think they really have time to do all of that because
00:42:05
the stuff with how is like it could be its own separate side
00:42:09
plot. So I, I don't know if they're
00:42:13
going to bring that in. I would like for them to because
00:42:16
I actually like Hal in the books and the the kind of the kind of
00:42:23
reluctant friendship that he develops with Claire.
00:42:27
I love it because it's like they're very respectful of each
00:42:30
other. But Claire, of course, Claire in
00:42:32
her mouth, she tells them what she thinks, how she thinks and
00:42:37
she makes she's just like, OK, you just need to do you just
00:42:40
need to do this. Like he in the books, how has he
00:42:44
has severe asthma and she saves his life a couple of times
00:42:48
because he doesn't understand what it is.
00:42:51
And there are things and she's like, you need to do this, you
00:42:54
need to do this. He was like, I will not
00:42:55
absolutely you will. And it's just watching it.
00:42:58
Listen, you know, listening to their banter back and forth.
00:43:01
It's so much fun. And I would love to see it with
00:43:03
the two actors here on this show.
00:43:06
Again, I don't know if we're going to get it, but it's it's
00:43:11
about to get interesting because Jamie is back and now you got to
00:43:15
go through and kind of you've got to refigure your life.
00:43:19
Yeah. In a.
00:43:20
Society with she's supposed to be married to Lord John and
00:43:26
yeah, it's going to be. OK, so the other thing about
00:43:29
that is a lot of people understand that she married Lord
00:43:33
John because her husband died. But if he shows up alive and and
00:43:36
the explanation of how he survived gets out automatically
00:43:41
that that's fire. But.
00:43:43
Then it's like. Like you were married to a
00:43:46
rebel, right? They still rebels.
00:43:49
In the wrong location. Yeah, I don't think, I don't
00:43:52
think he's going to care about that right now because.
00:43:54
Hold on, none of them don't care right now because they honestly
00:43:57
probably going to care about William, so I don't think they
00:44:01
really care about the. Stuff that's about to the
00:44:05
British is about to withdraw from the city, so I don't think
00:44:09
that would be much of a problem. But like you said, now we've got
00:44:12
to get all the Williams stuff figured out and then Claire and
00:44:16
Jamie are going to have to reconcile.
00:44:17
They're going to have to hash this out and then move on.
00:44:21
And we don't know what they're going to do.
00:44:23
Are they going to stay in Philadelphia?
00:44:24
Are they going to head back towards the Ridge?
00:44:26
Are we going to get them going to New Bern at any point in time
00:44:30
and reuniting with Ferguson Marsley?
00:44:32
Because that is also a big part of the story around this time in
00:44:37
the books. So, and I do know that Ferguson
00:44:40
Marsley are coming back. I just don't know when.
00:44:43
So it's, it's just there's so many things that can happen
00:44:48
right now in terms of in terms of their story.
00:44:52
But I think the most important thing at this point is we need
00:44:55
to see kind of what the resolution is going to be
00:44:59
between Claire, Jamie and Lord John and then figure out the
00:45:04
William stuff because everything else.
00:45:06
Of. Course, but you know, I, I kind
00:45:11
of want, I don't want this to become in between him and Lord
00:45:14
John because that is a, that is a friendship that is absolutely.
00:45:19
Important to both of them. That's all.
00:45:23
That's all that's just that's needed to get that energy out.
00:45:27
You know what I'm saying? And then Lord John is going to
00:45:29
take the punches because he's going to feel guilty.
00:45:33
And then hopefully Jamie, that's not going to kill him, but
00:45:38
saying he going, he going to tear him up a little bit.
00:45:40
Hey, I don't think he's going to going to kill him.
00:45:44
So I mean, this is the man that raised your son, right?
00:45:47
So, and you already, your son already pissed off at you.
00:45:50
You don't want to give him further reason because yes,
00:45:52
William might be pissed off at Lord John, but that's still his
00:45:54
paw. Yeah, it's.
00:45:56
True. So, but OK, so let's leave all
00:46:01
them to the side because we need to talk about Rodger and Brianna
00:46:04
and what's going on with them on their end.
00:46:08
So Rob Cameron did not. Nope.
00:46:11
Take Jim through the stones and he has the audacity to show up
00:46:15
at Brianna's house threatening her about the gold.
00:46:21
And that we as a family don't get on a plane.
00:46:25
Right, we're going to pretend like we one nice, big happy
00:46:28
family. And go find the gold.
00:46:29
So American find the gold and once I have the gold in my hand,
00:46:33
I'm a let you and Jim go. She really supposed to believe
00:46:36
that, right? For real, No.
00:46:40
And then you try to overpower her.
00:46:41
The only reason why you did was because she had just injured her
00:46:44
fingers. Because I think if she had full
00:46:46
use of both hands, Brianna would have whipped that.
00:46:49
Yeah, she would have stabbed him, but she got him good.
00:46:51
She did. She clocked him with that
00:46:53
friend, right? Real good, knocked his ass out.
00:46:58
But he even like the way that we see him in this scene, you can
00:47:03
tell he has lost it because every time we've seen Rob
00:47:08
Cameron before, he's always been nicely off.
00:47:11
And you will lose it too if you've been interviewing a child
00:47:15
for two days and they give you nothing.
00:47:16
And we but, but we don't even know how long it's been at this.
00:47:19
But that's true too. He's giving him nothing.
00:47:23
And he talking about, yeah, there's some what there are some
00:47:26
other ways that I can make him talk.
00:47:29
OK, I will say this because in the books, in that scene, he
00:47:33
actually threatens to rape Breanna.
00:47:35
And what happens before she hits him with the frying pan or
00:47:38
before she hits him? She actually does take her pants
00:47:41
off because he, I think was he pointing a gun at her?
00:47:44
I think he had her shotgun or something because he had picked
00:47:48
it up in the hall when he snuck in the house.
00:47:50
She'd actually taken her pants off like she was going to, you
00:47:54
know, she throws the pants at him, He runs after her and I
00:47:58
think she clocks him with a baseball bat.
00:48:00
I would have loved to have seen that.
00:48:01
But the fryer pan was good too. But I'm glad that they didn't
00:48:04
put that part because we don't like we have had enough sexual
00:48:08
violence in this show. Even the implication of it was,
00:48:11
you know, I'm glad they did not put it in there.
00:48:14
And she just let him let him have it with the frying pan and
00:48:18
without cold. Now we can't call Paige, e-mail,
00:48:21
send a letter to Rodger to say you can come back home, right?
00:48:25
But he's on his own mission, yes, with his sidekick.
00:48:30
OK, you know what? I would totally totally be up
00:48:35
for a Rodger and Buck sideshow. Y'all look this.
00:48:39
As much as I always rant about the six, six episode seasons,
00:48:43
y'all could do a little 6 episode art with just Roger and
00:48:46
Book going through the countryside looking looking for
00:48:50
either Jeremiah McKenzie the big one or Jimmy Mackenzie the
00:48:55
little one. Because I love their dynamic in
00:48:58
this. It's like the longer they're
00:48:59
with each other, they play very well off each other.
00:49:02
Because when Rodger is asking questions and he's getting
00:49:06
frustrated, Buck is right there with a viable explanation like
00:49:10
the guy, because Buck is really more towards that time than
00:49:15
Rodger is. Bugs looking like like this.
00:49:17
That's how you ask, right? People will feel some type of
00:49:23
way, right? But they do get some clues as to
00:49:26
where this the ferryman is. And then they actually come
00:49:31
across some guy who actually has Jerry Mckenzie's military
00:49:36
jacket. And when Rodger tries to find
00:49:38
out more information about the ferryman, the guy who has the
00:49:43
jacket and his two adult sons, they feel very threatened and
00:49:48
they like, they, they broke up like they're about to fight,
00:49:51
which tells me something ain't right with them.
00:49:56
So because the guy claimed that the jacket was his, you ain't
00:50:00
got no 1900s military jacket and you from the 17, like, so
00:50:06
something is weird about that. And Rodger also feels it too.
00:50:09
But he was like an RAF pilot would have fought to the death
00:50:13
for that jacket. So he's starting to think, OK,
00:50:16
maybe he's already dead and this is just pointless.
00:50:19
And Buck is like, no, that doesn't necessarily mean that
00:50:22
he's been harmed. Maybe he traded it for money.
00:50:25
Maybe he traded it for food. I mean, if you think about it,
00:50:28
this is a man who is very much out of time and probably had to
00:50:32
do what Claire did. Claire had to do some quick
00:50:34
thinking. The good thing that happened
00:50:36
with Claire is that Murta found her and took her to Dougal in
00:50:41
them. So she was able to kind of get
00:50:43
her wits. Jerry probably did not have that
00:50:45
kind of intervention. So he's already a strange man,
00:50:49
dressed strange, probably look strange depending on what his
00:50:53
hair was like his, you know, if he's in military, he's probably
00:50:56
clean shaven, but he probably just looks like he is out of
00:51:00
place. And so, so he could have come
00:51:05
across these guys who have his jacket and they could have, they
00:51:09
could have taken it from him, they could have robbed him, they
00:51:11
could have done anything. So now Rodger has to make a
00:51:15
decision. Are we going to continue to
00:51:17
pursue this? And he decides he is because he
00:51:21
still thinks that somehow his father being there and Jim being
00:51:26
there, which again, he does not know that Jim did not go through
00:51:29
the stones. He thinks that they're connected
00:51:31
and maybe Jim is with his father.
00:51:32
But I started thinking about that and I was like, what kind
00:51:35
of sense would that make? Because Jerry McKenzie wouldn't
00:51:39
know about Jim and Jim wouldn't know about Jerry McKenzie
00:51:44
because Rodger was only, what, four or five when his dad died.
00:51:48
So it's a it's a long stretch to say, OK, maybe my dad has Jim
00:51:54
instead of Rob Cameron, so. Yeah, it is, but hopefully they
00:51:59
will reunite and somehow he will go back home.
00:52:08
But The thing is, if he goes back home, that change so.
00:52:12
Not the dad. Oh, OK.
00:52:15
So this mission has to be completed.
00:52:17
And then you have to realize you really was thinking about your
00:52:21
son, but you really need to reconnect with your dad.
00:52:24
I don't know. For, for, for whatever reason,
00:52:26
whatever reason, yeah, yeah. So, so I, I don't know, but you
00:52:32
know. That Rodgers want to go back
00:52:34
because he has a stone. He does have a stone, yeah.
00:52:39
And he has one and he said we had to find two more and say why
00:52:44
you didn't say that out loud. I mean, it's he.
00:52:48
He means we have a hard time finding more stuff.
00:52:51
Maybe not, maybe not. He looked up on this one.
00:52:54
He did, but the way he said it like we, we know, like hello, we
00:52:58
did. This is.
00:52:59
Yeah. We know you need a stone.
00:53:01
Yeah. Don't have to say it out loud.
00:53:03
I know. Just buy the stone and move on.
00:53:05
I know. Two more stones.
00:53:07
OK, I got you. I see what you're doing there.
00:53:13
We'll see how it plays out, but let's see, do we have anything
00:53:20
else to talk about in the center?
00:53:21
No, I think we covered it all. Yeah, Jamie's back.
00:53:25
Yay. Michelle grabbed my leg.
00:53:27
She was like, yes, yes, I'm. And I'm glad they didn't drag
00:53:30
that on. No, I mean what I say they're
00:53:32
moving, but this one was a a little bit slower than last
00:53:36
week. But they're moving.
00:53:37
Yeah, they're moving. Yeah, they're getting in all the
00:53:40
stories and I, I really don't know how this is going to.
00:53:44
I don't either. Have like whole clue.
00:53:48
But that. But that's a.
00:53:49
Good thing that's a good thing. But like none the final scene
00:53:55
before it fades, the black. Yeah, yeah, but and it can't be
00:54:03
that everybody happy because the way they go, they get into shit
00:54:06
all the time. So it's like.
00:54:09
Happy what's happening? I mean, they'd be happy, but
00:54:13
stuff is happening, yes. Like, you know, they're not
00:54:15
relaxing on a cruise. They are.
00:54:17
It is constant. Yeah, it is constant, constant.
00:54:20
Speed bumps always say when stuff happens it like it's a
00:54:23
speed bump. They are on a rocky road.
00:54:26
Yeah, and this is this is even without all the stuff about the
00:54:30
upcoming war. Yeah, their own, they have their
00:54:33
own family issues when stuff happens and it's fine, it makes
00:54:40
them stronger. But it's not going to end with
00:54:42
everyone just being happy because it's not even realistic
00:54:44
because there'll be something happening in the next week for.
00:54:46
Them. I know, I know, but the
00:54:50
important thing is Jamie is. So now I just need Ian to see
00:54:54
that his other dad is not dead. Yeah, but he is gone.
00:54:59
But he'll be back. He's he just took, OK.
00:55:02
He just took Rachel to Valley Forge so she could meet up with
00:55:05
Denzel and the Fighting Quakers. He's coming back.
00:55:08
He's not. You know, he's got a little
00:55:09
issue with that. They're traveling alone and
00:55:12
they're not married. I'm just saying.
00:55:17
But I don't think Kenya would do anything to this.
00:55:20
I didn't say I didn't say they don't.
00:55:22
Do anything because I don't think they are.
00:55:23
I know they smooching but I'm just saying just you know.
00:55:29
They got Rolo, they they got the best, they got the best
00:55:33
bodyguard. They do but that's not what I'm
00:55:35
also saying. I'm like people be like they
00:55:37
just take it. Y'all not marry y'all just
00:55:39
traveling, just traveling like y'all taking trips courting.
00:55:42
Her he's Scottish look he's Scottish.
00:55:48
They can say they're hand fast or or something.
00:55:51
OK, I mean I'll. Go with that.
00:55:52
OK, sure. So it it it can a poor
00:55:56
reputation, but that's fine. The Quaker on the side of the
00:56:02
rebels, Do you really think she give a damn about a reputation?
00:56:07
Well, first of all, we Ian, she don't care.
00:56:09
I think she told him she don't care.
00:56:11
Yeah. Because I mean, they know what
00:56:13
they are to each other. And she was like.
00:56:15
And he is a very honorable man. So, right, Jamie raised them
00:56:19
well. So OK, Jamie's bad.
00:56:26
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