#outlander #bloodofmyblood Ellen's bravado gives way to fear as she prepares for her "virtue" test. Lord Lovat's glee at the MacKenzie's quandary forces Brian to take action. Julia dismisses a chance to escape in order to help a friend. Malcolm's discontent with his father's course of actions give Henry a moment to offer advice. Ellen receives some unlikely assistance to help her through her ordeal. Malcolm receives some distressing news. Henry finds reason to hope again.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 8 of
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Outlander, Blood of My Blood. But before we do that, welcome
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back, Michelle, we missed you. Yes, look, you picked the wrong
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episode to go out of town. Right, and I didn't even realize
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that y'all had recorded and I'm sitting here watching.
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Thank goodness you said something.
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Because I was like, I said, we had this whole conversation, but
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you know what you was you was already in trip mode the last
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time we recorded because we were talking about it.
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Because I was like, is there any way that we can record?
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And then you were like, I, I don't know.
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Because we, I think we were trying to do it earlier in that
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week. And then I was like, well, we
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can do it on Sunday or Monday. So me and Dina decided to do it
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on Sunday. And then when when I watched the
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episode, I said, you know what? I said, we're going to have to
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get Michelle's thoughts on this episode because she got her
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little confrontation with Brian and Merton.
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So Michelle, come on, give us your thoughts for Episode 7
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before we get into this. Well, I mean, Merton was
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correct. I mean, I don't, I, it's, it's
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nothing else I can add to that. He had the right again.
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You should have told your friend you can't put you know, I I
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still have nothing to say on that.
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It's just I was screaming no when he when Dougal say come on
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and Merton got on that horse. Well, you know, I was I.
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Said when we I was like. Why would he go with Dougal?
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And then someone commented on our YouTube and they were like,
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well, remember, Dougal would know Murtha because Murtha is
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Misfits Givens nephew. And I was like, yeah, I thought
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about that after we recorded, but still like almost feel like
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because Murtha is a Fraser by birth that he would have steered
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clear Dougal. And Dougal doesn't seem to me
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like the type of person. Like, I know he probably knows
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who Miss Fitzgibbons is, but Dougal does not necessarily seem
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to me the type to, like, talk to the help or pay any attention to
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them. So I think that's why I was
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surprised when he was speaking to Mercer.
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Kind of so familiar, you know? Yeah, I was just like, that's
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weird, but right. And I mean, you had to do your,
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I mean, your friend did you wrong.
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However, you didn't have to. He was like, come on, get on the
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back of the horse, Dougal said. Come on.
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Or talk, He just said. Right.
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Do that. It made me wonder too, 'cause
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you know how we kept saying, like, you know, did he end up
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just being closer to Ellen and not to Brian, 'cause he always
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talked about Ellen or whatever and like, he had already left,
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like, watch my sister and all this stuff.
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And then then he went with them. So maybe he did end up being
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closer to them. Yeah.
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You know, Yeah, at the end. Could have been.
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And then he was there. Obviously when Jake, when it
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first starts, he's at Leo, and so maybe he did end up being
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more close to Mackenzie's. Yeah, yeah.
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I was screaming for you. Michelle, though.
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I was screaming for you, girl. I was.
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You can tell him Mercy when he hit Brian, I said, yeah, I don't
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know, like that. Yeah.
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I did. I mean, it was, it was, it was
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coming. And he, he deserved every bit of
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it. He needed actually more.
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Yeah. But like me and Dana was saying,
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can y'all have this argument somewhere instead of in front of
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Balik's face? That is true too, 'cause now you
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you telling all her beats. And and you know your daddy
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ain't no good. No, he is not at all, which
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leads us Oh yeah, always saying and also in that episode, which
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was funny how y'all making a concoction.
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So that mean was it? Wait a minute.
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Oh Oh no, it's a concoction. Oh yes.
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The the, the this, yeah. The the, the I say they no good,
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I said. First of all, you didn't stop
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looking at each other 'cause you're gonna get caught, right?
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I'm at the table like this, like so what's what is?
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Who cook? This.
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What's this? Flavor.
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And you're like, it's I was good.
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And that was like, you know what, ladies?
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Yeah. Instead of doing that, poison
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him to death. Right.
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Well, no, because you know what? They're doing it the right way
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because not there's no suspicion coming on them.
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Like he just think that he just needs some rejuvenation.
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Right. And what's going to happen is he
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going to be gone for two days, right?
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And that stuff gets out his system.
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He's like I'm good and he come back home and he not.
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Right, he going to. Be like, it has to be the home.
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I'll be like, it's the mole on the walls.
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No, because you know what? Because you know, back in those
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days they took food with them. So you know Julia or Miss.
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Sprinkle it. Sprinkle it all over the food.
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Sprinkle it. Right.
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Exactly, exactly. Sprinkle it.
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Yeah, but how do you like the new little friendship between
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Julia and Miss Porter now? I really do.
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Like I like it. I do.
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And I was like OK, I trust her. Yeah now yeah and stuff I do.
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And now they have a this little secret cause y'all poisoning
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this man now, Yeah. Poisoning him, That's just
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giving him a little flavor on his food.
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They just trying to help him help him in other ways me.
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Laird I didn't know that it caused this trouble.
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I just thought it was good. Cooking.
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Yeah, it was, it was a good season that other people had
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recommended. Yeah, yeah.
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There you go. There's some Lowry season.
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Salt Lowry. Yeah.
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OK, so let's get to episode 8 because I hate the 17th century.
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I really. Yeah, yeah, this episode was
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tough to watch, but there also there, there were so many, like,
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there's some weird contradictions in here because,
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OK, the the way the episode starts out, you know, they're
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laying out the tools and I'm really sitting here looking like
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what? I'm like Dougal, what the hell
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is this for? Like, what do you need all of
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this stuff for? Like I understand a speculum,
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but are the men of that time like so out of touch with
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women's bodies that you think you got to have all of this
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stuff? Like one of them almost like was
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a iron hammer. Like what you hammering?
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What are you hammering? What are you?
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Saying you said do that, What kind of?
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Crazy stuff I made-up on pelvis and but but let's let's think we
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trying to keep her intact, not destroy her before she even get
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married and that's. What we were saying it's like
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those kind of tests. So how exactly are you supposed
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to tell? What will we found out in this
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episode? But before I was like, so how
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are you going to check if her hymen is intact?
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Like, are you going to go in and break it to find it?
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Right, right. And we were talking about that.
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That's like the whole comparison about like, just like the
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witches, you know, oh, we're going to put this, this 100 LB
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stone on top of you. If you survive, then you're a
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witch and we're going to kill you.
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But if you died, then that means you were innocent and your soul
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is going to heaven. Excuse me, but I'm dead, right?
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Right. And so it's just like that.
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OK, so we're going to check to make sure that you're still a
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virgin and that your quote UN quote virtue is intact.
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Now, if we see bleeding, oh, we'll know that your virtue was
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intact and you'll be OK. I mean, at least her husband is
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there in the room to see the goddamn test.
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So, so that he can see her virginity that's so freaking
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important, being taken by a tool or some other man's.
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But I also like Malcolm Grant at this time.
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Let's. Just be real.
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Yeah, but also, and again here with the contradictions, because
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when Colin and Dougal are looking at the tools and David
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Beaton is about to explain it, Colin was like, get the shit out
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my face. No, we will not be doing this
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right. It's barbaric.
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But then just as quick, it was all about not damaging Ellen so
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that he could still sell her off for marriage.
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Not, not for any concern for his sister or the fact that they may
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be doing this, you know, maybe prematurely or maybe on some
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false information. Like he had no concern about his
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sister as a person, just that I can't give the Grants a dead
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bride. Right.
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But the only person who was concerned was 1 Malcolm.
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There was actually three people that were like, this is a little
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shaky. Malcolm really was.
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That's why I was like, I really like Malcolm and now I'm feeling
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really bad for him. Yeah, I do feel bad.
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'Cause he do care for her. He didn't want her to have to go
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through this. He not even questioning trust
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her. He trusts her.
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Yeah, he does. He shouldn't just be honest.
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OK, I mean, let's, let's before we before we hype this up now
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and and and she's not innocent, so you know, yeah, I was going
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to say he is not a fool. He is believing exactly the look
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she is. She has been sending her
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representative out this entire time and he believes exactly
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what that representative is showing him.
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So he's not. He a fool because he can't tell
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that woman don't have no kind of designs on him at all.
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She ain't wearing her face. Look, giggles and.
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Kisses, but the way she but even at the end, at the end when she
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looked at him, she smiled, gave him that nice look.
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He believes that. Yeah, I I will say that for
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Ellen, Ellen is playing her part.
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Right, but at this point too, when it gets down to you may
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die, I am innocent. I am pure as No, he's truly in
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love with her. And he's, he's been in love with
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her clearly since they were kids.
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Like he's keeps bringing that up about that.
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And for him, he he's in love with who he thinks she is.
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Yeah, 'cause he liked it from a child and he.
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So he doesn't even know her. But I mean, that's what that's
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what I was saying earlier in the season about all of these
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couplings. Like you meet someone for 5
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minutes and all of a sudden you so in love that you that that
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you're not even going to tell your best friend who been your
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brother since birth. So that's what I was saying.
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Like I understand lest at first sight I understand having a
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strong attraction, but you literally met this girl for a
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few minutes and then you met her at the bridge and find out that
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y'all's families are enemies and y'all like we don't care.
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We want to be together we and look, but again, 1700s they do
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things differently. I guess at some point, if I feel
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that kind of attraction to somebody, I would rather that be
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my decision than for somebody like my brother call him to say,
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oh, you going to go marry this dude and then Google on the
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other side will say, well, if that don't work out, I got to do
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it over here for you to girl. Can we not?
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Can we not that's But when I say the preparations this girl had
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to go through for this test, First of all, this test is so
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invasive even without them doing the majority of what I thought
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they was going to do to this girl.
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But right, just the fact she has the prep, she has to put her
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body through all these paces. She got to drink all that water
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to make sure her piss is not cloudy, and then she's got to
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hold her pee because I don't know.
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I guess they don't know about kegel exercises back then.
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But they're like, OK, you got to hold your water until we tell
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you to release what? And it's funny and then you got
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to go in with that barbaric as speculum and and and and feel
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for what I was just like, you know what, 1700s man, I again, I
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will reiterate, it could not be me.
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Yeah. Could not be me, but I.
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Want to go to a doctor now? No.
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And that's horrible, right? But the the.
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But I love that everyone, every woman work together in this
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mission to help in this 'cause. Everybody was like, Julia was
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like, oh, yeah, I can help you, Brian, because Brian, once he
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finds out, because of course, his father is like, gloating.
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Oh, yeah. Thank you for the flowering.
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The Mackenzie girl. Now she's going to be tested.
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And Brian is sitting here like Dad, I like really care about
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her. He was like, whatever, whatever
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we are, we are half assed. That ain't going to mean nothing
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because the the Mackenzie's ain't going to care.
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They they might kill you if you go there and tell her, please,
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why don't you go on and do that if you really love her enough.
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I was like, you know what, this motherfucker, I hope he goes
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into that spring and he falls in and drowns.
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But we know that doesn't happen happen.
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I hope that's. Not the case because he has a
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younger Simon Fraser in the in the original show that we meet.
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This like 16-17 at the time so so he's still doing this yeah
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he's still doing this but but yeah, I do like that and it was
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funny how he's giving kept giving her all that water and I
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was like why are you giving her that water but then I realized
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oh she got to pee clear but also holds her pee but you gave her
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all this water so now she. Got and he made her drink a
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diuretic to force her to have to pee and she still had to hold
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it. She was over there.
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She was over there. She held that.
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And the only reason she was able to help that because she didn't
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have kids yet. Because trust me, after kids,
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you'd be like, I'm done. I'm done.
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She was already kind of dancing over there, like, right.
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I was like how long this? Going this how long this going
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to be? She's going to start twerking in
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a minute. Like I can't I know right, But I
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wonder how long they made her hold that like OK, so not only
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are you adding insult to injury, you going to give her a bladder
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infection. Why you trying to prove her her
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right? Really, that's what we doing.
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'Cause miss miss miss was like. Pork.
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Pork she was. Like.
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Ellen was like, OK, she said. Wait, I thought I had to make
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water, she said. You're gonna have to make water,
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but you gotta hold it first. Hold it first.
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You, you could have told me this before you.
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Yeah, but it got to be clear, too.
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So she had to get all that water.
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She had to get all that water. 'Cause if you just been drinking
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wine and milk, girl you, you messed up.
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Right. But then this is and then I had
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a stupid, like really horrible thought when she was peeing.
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I was like, but what if she was like at the beginning or end of
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her cycle? Then it ain't gonna be freaking
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clear. That would been unfair.
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But at least that way they would have been like, oh, your flowers
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have bloomed. So obviously, you know, I, I
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don't know. And that's what, so that's what
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I was also wondering like how long was all this taking?
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Because I was like, at some point she had to have her period
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at some point. And so, you know, so they must
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have really did this really fast because I feel like she should
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have had her period at some point in this time.
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She probably had, but that don't.
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That is not to say that you a virgin anymore, right?
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That's true. That's true.
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But she's at least not pregnant. So it didn't come like whatever
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she was doing didn't. Yeah, but they needed to know
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that she wasn't even doing that. Yeah.
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Yeah. So it's like, oh, my goodness.
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So I'm thinking, man, it may not been clear.
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Yeah, and it really was kind of dark.
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I don't know, I guess it's 'cause of the lighting.
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I was like that. Don't look.
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That's what I thought too. And then?
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I thought I did like this and I was like, oh, OK, you can kind
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of see this clear, but I was just like, and and even with the
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the explanation Misfits was giving her, Ellen was like,
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wait, so sometimes they find a Chase girl guilty.
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She was like, yeah, it happens. What?
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What? And, you know, because men
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didn't like to be contradicted, they weren't going to say they
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made a mistake. Yeah, you know they're not, but
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I like how who said it where hopefully I think Fitzgibbon
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said that I hopefully when this is over that she will forgive
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you guys. Oh no, that was Ned.
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That was Ned said that OK, I couldn't remember said and that
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was so true. Like what you doing right now?
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You know if if we are completely wrong here, I hope she forgives
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us. And again, disclaimer everybody
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is correct though. But however.
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But you know what? For all his.
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Purposes she needed her to be innocent today, but she she just
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happens to be in love with right Yeah, she married OK, but right.
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But I love it when he said let me go get my rescue my wife.
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Oh, OK. I loved it.
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I was like, girl, Brian, you go. Brian, I love it.
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However, the girl sweating bullets over here.
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Yeah. And see, that's another reason
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why I was wondering like about the time period because they had
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time to concoct and do all this stuff and get there before I was
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started. Well, here's the thing.
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So. So that was the very convenient
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thing because Malcolm Grant's carriage the the world or
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something. So yeah, that that helped Julia
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and Brian out a lot because because had that not happened,
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they wouldn't have made it in time.
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But of course. OK, so this is the thing that
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was kind of sort of, I think the only thing that I found
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questionable is because all of a sudden Julia knows how to do
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this. Like she knows how to make this
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this little concoction that's going to, I, I don't know, put a
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barrier. And I, I was just like, how, how
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would you know how to do that? I think it's because she she was
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already interested in going to college, because the way she
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said about the book, like she read it in the tone or whatever,
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that was this old Angel. I think she was already just
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that nerdy girl who used to read for no reason.
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And just remember that this was a thing because the way she said
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it was like, I read, I read this in a book.
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It's ancient, ancient years ago book or whatever.
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And I was like, oh, this. She must have saw this back in
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her day. And I, and I think what it
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actually did was it's what they sell at the.
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Passionate pink parties. Is that tightener the tightener,
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Right. Oh, OK.
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It tightened things down there because it was like the vinegar
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and the salt and all the brown Yeah, it just shrink the area.
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So that's why I was extremely uncomfortable for her.
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Like, it just shrunk it up. Yeah, but also.
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Too the again, we're talking. We don't know how, we don't know
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when this. I mean, obviously some weeks
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have passed because when they went to Beltane, Julia was still
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pregnant. She wasn't quite due yet and
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then she had the baby. So it's got to be at least a few
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weeks. So she's only had sex the one
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time so she's going to be tight again.
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Right, she will be, but that you know that they will try to make
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sure that it was extra just in case you know what I'm saying.
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We we try to do our best here. I know, but this this whole
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thing like this is one of those shows that you you see all of
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the uncomfortableness of the stuff that they used to do and I
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know there's some people who like what they took too long.
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I didn't want to see all that. No, we to see what we look, as
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much as we complain about the state of things today and where
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things are with us, at least we're not doing that.
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Yeah, at least we're not doing that.
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So we that that to me is just a reminder to be just a little bit
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grateful because we have come at least some part of the way.
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Now. We still you know right, We have
00:21:39
control over our bodies and all this other stuff, but it ain't
00:21:43
like that right and then it's like y'all travel by horse
00:21:46
everywhere right and that that's what Dina was saying in the last
00:21:51
episode when we when we talked about it with that it's like
00:21:54
there's so many reasons why that may happen to a woman where her
00:21:58
heart like riding a horse accident.
00:22:02
What just a a tampon. I mean let's just be honest,
00:22:06
there's so many ways that that could go wrong.
00:22:09
So you know, so but I it's just 17th century because I tell you,
00:22:17
somebody does it. Now we want to touch punch him
00:22:20
in the face and be done with it. But we have to be a little bit
00:22:28
thankful. Oh, for this, for the yes, we
00:22:32
are. Because again, Brian is on his
00:22:37
way. He's got to go rescue his wife.
00:22:40
Julia offers to go with him. And Julia is in this like Brian
00:22:44
is trying to tell her, no, my father's going to be gone for
00:22:48
two days. You need to take the baby and go
00:22:50
to Castle Grant because again, she has found out that Henry is
00:22:55
at the Grants, right, Julia? And I will say this again, I'm a
00:23:00
I'm ride or die for Julia and Brian and and this friendship.
00:23:03
I love it because they stay up at night and talk.
00:23:07
You know they do. The reason why they do is she
00:23:09
found out when she was with the dad and then the next time they
00:23:14
talking they talking about it and and mom is like what are
00:23:18
y'all talking about? Her husband is at the Grants.
00:23:21
Yeah. I'm like, did you leave his room
00:23:23
and be like, come on, Brian, I need to talk outside.
00:23:26
Let's take a smoke. You know what, Whatever they do,
00:23:29
I'm here for it because that's like, like that's the brother
00:23:33
sister relationship. I'm like, yeah, I love it, I'm
00:23:36
here for it. And when he gave her the
00:23:38
opportunity, he was like, OK, so council leak is this way,
00:23:42
Council grant is that way. You need to go to the grants,
00:23:45
which I guess Brian wasn't really thinking about the fact
00:23:48
that if Ellen's virtue was going to be in question, that the
00:23:52
grants would be there, but he probably thought, OK, maybe it
00:23:54
will be the older grant. Yeah.
00:23:58
I don't think he was thinking about that, but it's kind of
00:24:00
like, Oh well, you know, they should be there.
00:24:03
So it would have been natural for her to go, but she was like,
00:24:06
no, I at least I know where he is now.
00:24:09
I need to go help you save her life.
00:24:12
That's more important. She was like, cuz I can't go to
00:24:14
my husband if I think that one or both of you are going to end
00:24:20
up dead. And that was a very real
00:24:23
possibility, Yeah. I didn't think that was weird
00:24:27
that she didn't say, well he is the Grant's bladier, so he would
00:24:31
be traveling with the Laird. But she probably wouldn't know
00:24:35
that the grand, she would know that to be present for that
00:24:38
because I mean, we know about the barbarism in that.
00:24:42
But who really is going to sit here and think, oh, OK, well,
00:24:46
they're going to test to see if she's a virgin.
00:24:48
They're going to have all the men in the room.
00:24:50
All the men, all the. Men she probably wouldn't think
00:24:54
that, but I mean they literally had column Dougal Ned all of
00:24:59
them and mouth don't turn your back right and OK, so I know we
00:25:04
had moved forward past that. That's another issue I have.
00:25:07
Like you want her to have some virtue, but you got her doing
00:25:11
this in front of her future husband.
00:25:14
Other men. It is no privacy again if you
00:25:18
have her future husband, a representative from your house,
00:25:22
your brother who's her choosing and her handmaid.
00:25:25
But not every last man the bodyguard.
00:25:30
But you know, a woman's dignity is nothing to them in this time.
00:25:33
Yeah, but you, you, you. But you giving away your sister,
00:25:36
her husband. Husband.
00:25:37
You don't want to see her, not her dignity.
00:25:41
Right. Yes, right.
00:25:43
And then she got to pee in front of everybody.
00:25:45
Oh my God, I I was like, it's like, I hear she's just
00:25:51
squatting and you just hear all this and this is like.
00:25:55
And to me, I feel like Dougal, the look on Dougal was like,
00:25:58
well Dang, she pee longer than that dude.
00:26:02
Well you know what? Y'all made her drink all that
00:26:05
water, made her drink a diarrhea, then you made her hold
00:26:07
it for who knows how long. Yeah, she couldn't, like, clean
00:26:11
herself or nothing. Nothing just goes in and I'm
00:26:14
just like oh. God, and, and I'm again, I'm,
00:26:17
I'm too much of A realist. I'm like, can I get some, some
00:26:20
toilet paper? Because I will be leaking over
00:26:21
here. You can't.
00:26:23
Even have toilet paper in this time because we've we've seen
00:26:26
Lord Lovett get on the toilet and take a shit and get up and
00:26:29
just. Get a cloth though.
00:26:31
Do I have to be leaking by the the fireplace?
00:26:34
Can I get a? So disgusting and horrible.
00:26:38
OK, OK, I'm good. That's the last bit of what I
00:26:40
had left on that. And I was like, there's too many
00:26:42
people in this room here, too many people, too many people.
00:26:47
And we even just just turn. I'm I'm.
00:26:49
OK, if you y'all turn y'all back while he performing, I know he
00:26:52
performing it's gotta watch it, but you have.
00:26:56
Someone touching her intimately that she don't even know.
00:27:00
That she doesn't know when you have a doctor.
00:27:04
And why do they need the priest to repeat what the doctor said?
00:27:10
Why do they need the priest to proclaim?
00:27:12
That's what. You see what my screen name
00:27:18
says, right? 17th century sucks.
00:27:21
That's all there is to it. In my hair you will die.
00:27:25
Because that's the look she gave.
00:27:27
And she walked by to her brother.
00:27:29
No, she gave Malcolm. She gave Malcolm a nice little
00:27:32
smile. Hey Boo, still love you maybe.
00:27:36
I don't know, 'cause I, I think, I really think that smile was
00:27:41
her. I don't know, I feel like she's
00:27:44
going to use that to be like, yeah I don't want to get married
00:27:47
to you now because y'all didn't trust me blah blah blah blah.
00:27:50
But see, here's the thing, what got saved him was he went and
00:27:52
said that he didn't really want this to happen.
00:27:55
So that's why she kind of she she gave him that look that
00:27:58
makes him feel better inside stringing him along.
00:28:02
But then that term that look at her brothers like I will get
00:28:06
y'all. Right.
00:28:07
Given she. And and and she should.
00:28:11
She shouldn't. Even though they alright, she
00:28:15
should. That's her business.
00:28:17
Get out her pants. She should get out her pants.
00:28:22
Leave her. Alone be gone with you.
00:28:26
Nasty buggers. But in the midst of all this,
00:28:31
Henry, Henry is sowing the seeds of distrust in the Grant
00:28:36
household because of course, the older and as we stated, the
00:28:40
older Grant, Isaac, he's at home sick now, decided, OK, I'm going
00:28:45
to come and I'm going to oversee this and whatever, whatever,
00:28:47
because this is my bride. So I want to, you know, make
00:28:50
sure that she is treated with some dignity, which he did try
00:28:54
to ensure. I will give him that.
00:28:57
And Henry, of course, is looking at all this like, this is some
00:29:01
barbaric shit. She was like, OK, I get your
00:29:04
what your dad is trying to do, but at some point, you're going
00:29:07
to have to make your own decisions.
00:29:08
And Malcolm Grant was like, I am my own man.
00:29:11
He was like, yeah, but. I know, but you're.
00:29:14
Doing your daddy's stuff, but at some point you're going to have
00:29:16
to come through and, and that that's going to mean breaking,
00:29:19
breaking off some stuff. And they both look at Arch Bug
00:29:22
because I'm Arch Bug, you know, fucking nerves now.
00:29:26
So I was like, OK, Henry sowing the seeds of distress.
00:29:29
Because Henry is probably like, if I have to stay here, I would
00:29:33
rather work for Malcolm than for right, You know, Which I don't
00:29:37
blame him 'cause I think he's a, he's a old tough, no nonsense.
00:29:44
Islander like he's, you know. Malcolm has a little bit more
00:29:49
compassion. Malcolm has a little bit more,
00:29:52
you know, he's he's just a little bit better human being.
00:29:56
But while they're there, you know, Henry is looking around.
00:30:02
He he has a near miss with Julia because she's walking down the
00:30:06
hall at this point. She is snuck into LYAC.
00:30:09
She's trying to go to Ellen's room to give her this
00:30:11
conclusion. And she sees a glimpse of her.
00:30:14
And he was and he thinks that he's just, you know, seeing
00:30:18
things. Julia doesn't see him because
00:30:20
she's so focused on what she's supposed to do, which is good
00:30:23
because if she's seeing Henry right then and there.
00:30:26
That everything would have been a disaster, but it was just so
00:30:30
hard. It was just so heartbreaking
00:30:32
because he just thought he was losing it again that.
00:30:35
Oh, man, that was hard. Yeah, because he already lost
00:30:40
it. And now I'm getting confused of
00:30:41
episodes since I watched 7 and 8 together.
00:30:43
And then he lost it with, you know, substitute Julia.
00:30:50
I will call her. No, Substitute Julia 6.
00:30:53
And then last episode was when he went and told her he was
00:30:56
like, look, I don't want you to be hurt.
00:30:57
Look, that was. Yeah.
00:30:58
But when he broke down because he got the necklace back, that's
00:31:01
what I'm saying with Substitute Julia.
00:31:04
And it was. That was heartbreaking.
00:31:06
And then to see him in there like I'm.
00:31:08
Seeing the ghosts, I'm trapping her.
00:31:12
No. Important thing to me.
00:31:14
Right because I was sitting here watching this and when when he
00:31:19
got ready to leave I said you know what, if y'all give us this
00:31:23
close of a near miss and they don't see each other, I'm going
00:31:27
to throw something at my tvi was so ready to be mad and then when
00:31:30
she saw him she was like Henry. He turned around and looked at
00:31:35
her. And one of the things that I
00:31:37
love about it because you would expect that they would run to
00:31:40
each other. I love the fact that she kind of
00:31:43
held back because she's familiar with his PTSD.
00:31:46
And how do I react to stuff? So I love the fact that even
00:31:50
when they were alone, she waited for him to come to her.
00:31:55
You know, even though, you know, she was itching, she was like,
00:31:58
Oh my God, I need you. I need to grab you.
00:32:00
She stood there so still and he was just sitting there.
00:32:04
And you could tell by the look on his face he was he was close
00:32:08
to breaking down again. He was like, you can't be real.
00:32:12
When he touched her face and she closed her eyes, I burst into
00:32:15
tears. I was like.
00:32:17
And then he was so like the, the fact that she was like, let's go
00:32:21
here, let's go hide down here and talk because she already
00:32:25
knew that they didn't need to be seen together.
00:32:28
For whatever reason, they didn't she.
00:32:31
Ain't supposed to be in the castle.
00:32:33
Right. That part was she was.
00:32:35
She needed to get close to her exit, right?
00:32:37
Yeah. Let's start with that.
00:32:39
But I I just, I found and then I was screaming bow F in time.
00:32:46
Finally. Finally.
00:32:48
Because he was still thinking. He was like, you can't be real.
00:32:51
And she was like, hope springs eternal.
00:32:55
Yes, yes. I was so happy.
00:33:00
I was like, thank you for not waiting until the 10th episode.
00:33:04
Because now we have it that they're together.
00:33:06
They just got to figure out how to get back together.
00:33:09
And I'm OK with that because they now know that each of them
00:33:12
are alive. Now they're going to have a nice
00:33:14
evening of talking when they do get together because they have
00:33:16
done some things, but there's some.
00:33:18
But you know what? They've been apart for almost a
00:33:20
year. They've been trying to survive.
00:33:22
So I get, we get it right? Oh, wait.
00:33:25
We get it, slept with her because you had a mental break
00:33:27
and you thought it was me. Yeah.
00:33:29
Oh yeah, I got you because someone told you I was dead.
00:33:32
Not only me. Yeah.
00:33:34
And our baby. And yeah.
00:33:37
And you had to go sleep with the lair because you don't want him
00:33:40
to kill the baby or he. Oh, OK.
00:33:43
You know what? We're good.
00:33:45
We're good. Now let's figure out how to get
00:33:47
the hell back to our daughter. Thank you.
00:33:49
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:50
'Cause that just reminds me of like when Claire had to do that
00:33:53
for it with the king or whatever and friends, you know, Jamie was
00:33:57
like. 2 Pump, Louie. You had to do what you had to
00:34:01
do, you know, to get what you know.
00:34:04
I mean, 'cause what? What does it matter?
00:34:07
Jamie was still being the Bastille to this day.
00:34:11
Yeah, yeah. But I love it how it's it's so
00:34:19
cute. It's not cute.
00:34:20
I just love how Julia was helping Brian and Ellen, but you
00:34:26
really helping your daughters husband's parents so they they
00:34:32
could be together so they can have they son who will later
00:34:36
married, married to your child. So you will send all the way
00:34:41
back here to make sure they love make it 'cause they don't.
00:34:45
Let's just say they ain't paying attention to nobody else but
00:34:48
themselves. So they have you got to go
00:34:51
through all this just to get your your daughter's husband,
00:34:55
family together. Yeah, but I'm so glad, like,
00:35:01
Henry, at this point, the first time that he sees Julia and he
00:35:05
thinks he's losing his mind, he goes to have a talk with Ned
00:35:09
Gowen. And he was like, look, I need
00:35:11
you to help me. He was like, the longer I stay
00:35:13
here, the worse I'm going to get.
00:35:15
I need to get out of here. I need to leave the Grants.
00:35:17
I need you to help me. Like he was talking about
00:35:19
leaving then. If he had done that, he would
00:35:22
not have known that Julia was alive.
00:35:24
So thank thank goodness for Ned Gowen and that bromance and that
00:35:28
friendship because Ned was the one who was talking since look,
00:35:32
don't do anything rash because they will chase you to the ends
00:35:36
of they will kill. You, which is crazy to me.
00:35:39
It's a job. It's not why I got to stay
00:35:42
forever, I mean. But I mean, if you think about
00:35:45
it, he probably knows things that they've done that, you
00:35:49
know, it's like like being in the mall but still in no time
00:35:52
where I can move, I mean. Right.
00:35:55
I might want to go to a different country.
00:35:57
You. Literally saw them murder the
00:35:59
guy whose job whose job you took.
00:36:01
So yeah, no, you you can implicate them in some things.
00:36:05
And I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm like, Henry, What?
00:36:08
Can I just go get some air, right.
00:36:12
I just want you got to be off my back.
00:36:13
Why you got to be on my back? Because Arch bug is an ass.
00:36:16
I mean like, why? You down here?
00:36:19
I mean, he was like, I saw a ghost, OK.
00:36:21
I thought I saw my wife, right? Like arch bug also like that.
00:36:25
That's what about that last episode that annoyed me when he
00:36:27
did find him on his way to crack the dune.
00:36:30
It's like we was just running from the British because they
00:36:33
were arresting Jacobites. How did you manage to get a
00:36:36
posse together to come try fire me?
00:36:38
Right, right. Freaking.
00:36:41
Arch bug, don't want nobody. Happy.
00:36:44
But you know the thing when Henry turned around, when Arch
00:36:47
Bug came downstairs and he asked him and he was like, what are
00:36:51
you doing? That he he said, I thought I saw
00:36:53
my you know, I thought I saw my wife.
00:36:54
Oh, so you chasing ghosts again? That look on Henry's face was
00:36:59
Henry realizing that Arch Bug has something to do with that
00:37:02
lie that was told to him. That's I that's what I think.
00:37:07
Because that's why he turned around and he was like, yeah, I
00:37:10
guess. And he was smiling the entire
00:37:13
way out. He was like, Yep, my wife is
00:37:16
alive. I'm about to find a way to get
00:37:19
out of this. Yeah, I'm good.
00:37:21
I'm good. Y'all they got to see depressed
00:37:23
me No more. No, you know what?
00:37:25
You're right. You're right, Mr. Bugg.
00:37:28
My wife is gone. My child is gone.
00:37:30
It's time for me to move on. Move on.
00:37:33
Yeah, because I also wonder if, you know, he does actually
00:37:38
realize that some some something was a mess because she just
00:37:42
wired up running around in other people's the baby find
00:37:45
everything good looking nice and healthy that something was good.
00:37:49
Yeah, yeah. Especially when Brian after
00:37:51
you're fine. Look, especially when Brian
00:37:53
comes in and the and the thing that you tell Brian is
00:37:56
everything is, well, they found her.
00:38:00
They found her intact or they found her not guilty.
00:38:02
Henry was like, hold up, who is this?
00:38:06
So at some point you realize he's going to have divided
00:38:11
loyalties because I think he does care about Malcolm Grant as
00:38:14
a person, you know, and he's like, OK, I want you to have
00:38:17
this. But then if he realizes, Oh, my
00:38:20
wife has been helping this dude who is actually in love with
00:38:23
Ellen and this is, he's going to have a conflict.
00:38:26
Right there. So of course that's probably
00:38:27
going to lend to some drama. But well, maybe he convinced
00:38:31
Malcolm that as a decent indecency, this woman doesn't
00:38:35
want to marry you and her family is forcing, so she's doing what
00:38:39
she has to do. So maybe he he, maybe he's the
00:38:42
one that turns things around where Malcolm ends up being the
00:38:45
family friend, and that's. How?
00:38:51
That's how Jamie got the middle name Malcolm.
00:38:53
Is that OK? Because that's also another
00:38:55
thing because I had forgot his name was Malcolm also, and when
00:38:59
he was given his full name to Claire for the first time and I
00:39:02
was like Malcolm Mackenzie crazy.
00:39:07
Because also that that same Malcolm was one of the people
00:39:10
like we were talking about that soul to go with with Arch Bug
00:39:13
and what you call it. Yeah.
00:39:14
So he definitely lives on a long time or whatever.
00:39:18
And, you know, so maybe they end up friends, maybe he loves her
00:39:24
just that much, where he just like, OK.
00:39:27
Yeah, could be. I don't, I don't know.
00:39:30
But yeah, we needed that reunion because when I say like the
00:39:36
tension was getting to be too much and then all the near
00:39:39
misses, I was like, if y'all yeah, we don't get this episode
00:39:44
and we don't get a reunion. I'm throwing something at the
00:39:47
TV. I was ready.
00:39:49
I had I literally had something next to me.
00:39:51
I was like, come on, do it, do it, do it, do it.
00:39:54
I dare you. She, she saw him and he turned
00:39:59
around, looked at her and she's looking at him like come on,
00:40:01
come on, come on. And he's looking at her like,
00:40:04
OK, you know what? That's probably a ghost, but I'm
00:40:06
going to follow her because she's telling me to come.
00:40:09
Hey, I'd rather be with a ghost, you know what I'm saying?
00:40:11
He could have easily looked at her and been like, no, you're
00:40:14
not real and turn back around. He could have easily done that.
00:40:18
Thought his mind was playing tricks on him.
00:40:21
He was like, Nope, I got to go check this out.
00:40:23
Even if it is, you know, I don't know if she vanishes into thin
00:40:28
air or whatever. I, I just, I, I got to check it
00:40:31
out. And that reunion was so sweet,
00:40:35
so sweet. And then Brian was like, hold
00:40:38
up, is this? And she was like, Yep, this.
00:40:39
My husband Brian was like, how the heck.
00:40:43
OK, I'm glad you came with me now.
00:40:46
So I'm glad when he says when she's like, OK, I have to go
00:40:50
back. We have to like get together
00:40:53
later, that he didn't push it. He was just like trusting, like
00:40:57
she knows what she's talking about because I hate when people
00:41:00
do that. I'm telling you we got to
00:41:02
separate. Don't keep asking me questions.
00:41:04
I'll tell you later. You know what I mean?
00:41:06
Like, yeah, it was. It was.
00:41:08
Good, because she was like, don't come looking for me, it's
00:41:10
not safe. It's not safe.
00:41:13
But also to it, what would have happened if Arch Bug had found
00:41:16
her there? Yeah, yeah, he would have either
00:41:25
he would have either tried to steal her and and take her with
00:41:29
them, which she probably would have been like, oh, excuse me, I
00:41:32
got to go back and get my baby. But I I just don't see that
00:41:38
having a good outcome if Arch bug actually had found her, not
00:41:42
not to mention Brian. I mean, it's bad enough Misfit
00:41:46
scared the shit out of me when she grabbed them before they
00:41:48
would leave. And because I thought it was, I
00:41:54
thought it was Arch. I thought it was Dougal.
00:41:57
I was like, I was prepared for it to be a full-fledged fight,
00:42:01
but it was it was misfits, thank goodness.
00:42:03
And she was like, look, I appreciate what you just did for
00:42:05
my lady, but if you really love her, you really care for her,
00:42:08
Don't don't you bring your ass back.
00:42:10
Take this tartan and go. We don't want to see hide nor
00:42:13
hair of a Fraser. And the fact that she thought
00:42:15
that it was Murta, I was like, you know what?
00:42:18
You should know that Murta wouldn't do something like that.
00:42:22
But she also knew that Mercer was in love with.
00:42:26
Ryan, she was like, I didn't think you paid him any
00:42:28
attention. This is weird.
00:42:30
Right, right, right. And she was like, it's not him.
00:42:35
He stepped up at. Some kids, they came to.
00:42:38
My grave, I mean. And then I start and then I'll
00:42:41
be like her. Like I hope it's not his.
00:42:44
His uncle. Oh, that's disgusting.
00:42:49
He will take his name to the grave.
00:42:51
You can tell me, honey. So it must be really bad.
00:42:53
Yeah. I mean, I mean, in the grand
00:42:57
scheme of things, Brian, like Brian is probably the worst pick
00:43:04
for her because he's the bastard.
00:43:06
Yeah. So.
00:43:08
Yeah. So Miss Pitts probably didn't
00:43:10
even think about that because you are basically you're the
00:43:15
Princess of Clare McKenzie. Why you?
00:43:18
Yeah, she probably didn't think that.
00:43:20
Yeah. But Oh my goodness, She she
00:43:24
look, she's, she's over here doing her little dance now, her
00:43:27
little pee pee dance. Her pee dance.
00:43:30
Yeah, I just passed that. Now I'm on Julia and Henry.
00:43:33
Hope springs eternal. Yeah, but this little face, let
00:43:39
me tell you, Dougal and Column. I mean, I, I'm kind of worried
00:43:47
about the fact that Dougal didn't say anything.
00:43:51
But I know what I know what was at stake, so I know why he
00:43:54
didn't say anything. But I also think he likes the he
00:43:57
loves the fact that he knows something about Ellen that
00:44:00
Column doesn't because Column and Ellen were the ones who were
00:44:04
close. He was like, don't, don't she
00:44:05
talk to you. And Column is like, he hasn't
00:44:08
been the same between us since our patrol.
00:44:10
Oh, I wonder why? Yeah, 'cause you're selling her
00:44:13
like a broodmare. You're selling her like a just a
00:44:16
object. Why would she confide in 'cause
00:44:20
you obviously don't think of her as a person.
00:44:22
What was it now was saying to them?
00:44:25
Because Column was talking about Jacosta, because he went to ask
00:44:30
me. He was like, so she wasn't out
00:44:32
of your sight at all at Belton. He was like, well, yeah, she
00:44:35
went to the fertility blessings, but she was with Jacosta.
00:44:39
And. And Column said, well, misery
00:44:41
loves company and Jacosta wouldn't do anything to
00:44:45
jeopardize Ellen because she knows the prospect of marriage
00:44:49
will make her sister miserable. And Neil was like, there is no
00:44:53
love lost between any of y'all. Column is like, what does love
00:44:57
have to do with it? And I know Neil was like, you
00:45:01
know what? And I'm going to tell you what
00:45:02
it has to do with it. If your father had some for
00:45:04
y'all, y'all wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
00:45:07
Yep, basically. But that is.
00:45:11
It is funny though, that as soon as he heard that she was with
00:45:14
Jacosta, he already knew. Jacosta was go dive her ass
00:45:18
right? They were together, nothing
00:45:20
happened. Jacosta ain't gonna let nothing
00:45:23
happen because she wants to see Ellen miserable.
00:45:26
Like what is wrong with y'all? Yeah.
00:45:28
But that's how you know Ellen is so freaking smart.
00:45:32
Because she knew exactly how to get Jacosta on her side, her
00:45:36
mortal enemy. She knew how to get her on her
00:45:39
side. Yeah, and it.
00:45:40
Worked out. Yeah, you go get you a little
00:45:42
something, something and I won't tell me.
00:45:44
You just let me go about my business and you don't tell.
00:45:48
And then she gave her also had to give her a necklace, but
00:45:51
yeah. Yeah, well, you know, it's just,
00:45:55
it's a thing. It's a thing.
00:45:56
Yeah. Because your life.
00:45:58
Right, because here's the thing, they may be sibling, there may
00:46:02
be sibling rivalry between them. But here's the thing, they are
00:46:05
sisters. They are women.
00:46:07
Yeah, they know. They're like, oh, OK, you know
00:46:10
what? We're oppressed.
00:46:11
And I think that was what Ellen said.
00:46:13
So she was like, why do we always have to be at their whim?
00:46:15
Like we're the ones that are the so-called prizes.
00:46:18
Why? Why are they the ones always
00:46:20
having to decide what becomes of us?
00:46:24
They can't have no babies. They can't reproduce.
00:46:27
Right. Right, they would die off if if
00:46:30
not for us. Right.
00:46:33
So, yeah, I, I when he said that, he was like, oh, OK, she
00:46:37
was with Jacosta. I ain't worried about nothing.
00:46:39
You know what? You're an idiot.
00:46:42
Column I mean, I just, I, I'm like Ned, like y'all.
00:46:52
Y'all are just horrible to each other just for no damn reason
00:46:58
basically. Basically.
00:47:01
Oh but yeah, this man, let me tell you, I was so glad when
00:47:06
they got finished with this examination.
00:47:10
I was like, you know what? Now that I've seen it, I don't
00:47:13
need to see it ever again. Yeah, I don't need to do
00:47:16
anything like this again. But yeah, the look she has on
00:47:20
her face right now, she's walking past.
00:47:22
Yeah, I'm telling you like they better keep one eye open when
00:47:25
they sleep. They better.
00:47:27
Like I'm I'm looking at. They better 'cause you know Red
00:47:30
Jacob taught her how to fight. You know he did.
00:47:34
She probably knows how to carry a sword.
00:47:36
She probably knows right column. Look, she going to go in there
00:47:42
and break them legs again. I was.
00:47:43
Just I was just about to say trip his last get on.
00:47:47
The floor. You ain't going to be able to
00:47:49
get up. That's yeah.
00:47:53
But I'm I am kind of worried about what Douga is going to do
00:47:57
with that knowledge, because Douga know who she's interested
00:48:02
in if you know nothing else. But yeah, she she just didn't
00:48:08
after that look, she was just like she's looking at her
00:48:11
brothers like she don't kill it like you motherfucks.
00:48:19
I do wonder because like me Outlander, you kind of see how
00:48:23
they have this sense relationship do in common with
00:48:26
Jamie, but they're still blood, you know, they're still
00:48:29
relatives and they're still taking care of each other, but
00:48:31
it's still their it's like thing.
00:48:34
I just wondered, like does does at some point, Dougal and column
00:48:38
kind of feel guilty 'cause maybe Ellen died and maybe they feel
00:48:42
like they gotta take care, you know, 'cause if they say, you
00:48:45
know, they had that whole thing where, like, Dougal was like,
00:48:48
worried that Jamie was gonna try to usurp his, his, his being
00:48:52
next in line, right. But he still, you know, he want,
00:48:57
he want the Red Coast to get him, you know what I'm saying?
00:48:59
Like he was still very protective of him.
00:49:01
Yeah. So, you know, I just wonder
00:49:04
about that like how that trained to be I was give me more
00:49:08
information. Yeah, yeah.
00:49:12
But Oh my goodness, just that that whole family dynamic
00:49:16
because. Yeah, yeah, like you said, it's
00:49:18
weird because especially with Dougan, I guess, because, I
00:49:24
mean, we see how rash Dougal is here.
00:49:26
Dougal is always 1. He is about Scotland.
00:49:30
I will give him that because I think in the original show we
00:49:34
were looking at it kind of selfishly, like, OK, he's just
00:49:37
trying to do it for him or whatever.
00:49:38
No, this is really in Dougal's blood.
00:49:40
Dougal is like, I want Scott. I want, you know, I want a, a
00:49:45
Jacobite king on the throne. I will do anything for Scotland.
00:49:49
Whatever. Damn my family, damn my
00:49:52
reputation. Like he was really, really
00:49:56
hardcore. So it is interesting to see him
00:50:01
like that. And then to know the
00:50:02
relationship we had with Jamie because on the one hand, it
00:50:06
really is a love hate relationship because you can
00:50:08
tell he cares about Jamie. Like, yeah, he he wore, he had
00:50:12
him as a ward in his household, trained him and all this other
00:50:18
stuff. But then at the same time, he's
00:50:19
so freaking jealous of Jamie. Yeah.
00:50:23
Very. And this has to do, I think with
00:50:25
probably the way that Brian and Ellen raised Jamie, even though
00:50:28
Ellen was gone, I think Jamie was what, 5 when she died.
00:50:32
But the way that he was raised because Jamie is like, you know
00:50:36
what? I don't need nothing y'all have
00:50:38
over here. I have this little piece of
00:50:40
lolly Brock over here. I have my land.
00:50:43
I have, you know, clam fries. I'm good.
00:50:45
I don't need none of y'all stuff.
00:50:48
And I think Google, I don't know, there's something about
00:50:52
the way Jamie is free that I think Dougal was jealous of.
00:50:59
Because even though Dougal kind of operated on his own on the
00:51:05
side or whatever, it's like he was always under columns, thumb
00:51:10
and column. I will say this too, Column made
00:51:16
Dougal into the beast. He was, especially in their
00:51:19
older years, that whole thing when he told Colum that Gaylis
00:51:24
was pregnant. She's having my band.
00:51:26
And he was like, that's Arthur Duncan's band, just like Hamish
00:51:30
is mine, right? I was like, you created that
00:51:38
beast. And again, I'm very interested
00:51:41
to see how that particular thing came about.
00:51:45
But you created that beast. But I will say this too, Dougal,
00:51:50
in this younger version of him, we see how he kind of provoked
00:51:54
Column to do it because he has so much animosity against
00:51:59
Column. Why wouldn't Column just kind of
00:52:02
give it back to him? And then it it's so interesting
00:52:05
because when you when you go back and you look at the scene
00:52:08
where Column died and Dougal is just sitting there like really
00:52:12
pouring his heart out, probably for the first time ever to his
00:52:17
brother. And and that dude not committed
00:52:20
suicide and died while you're pouring your heart out because
00:52:23
he don't even want to listen to what you got to say.
00:52:26
Now. I was so sad for Dougal in that,
00:52:28
but at the same time looking at the way they are in this show.
00:52:32
Right, you can't. I'm just sad you tired.
00:52:37
That's the whole W love got to do with that it in the end, it's
00:52:40
not. It's got a lot, a lot, but these
00:52:46
folks. But OK, yay we got we got 1
00:52:49
reunion. Yay.
00:52:51
Yes, thank you. Henry and Julia briefly, but at
00:52:55
least they both know that they are alive.
00:52:58
They know what each other is. Henry knows that he has a baby
00:53:03
named after his grandfather. Like, I love that, though, those
00:53:07
little pieces, because when he looked at her and saw she wasn't
00:53:10
pregnant, he was like, oh, the baby, the baby.
00:53:12
And she was like, I named him William.
00:53:14
Oh, after my grandfather. I think that was like a further
00:53:17
cementing for him, Like, oh, this is real.
00:53:21
This is real for me. Because who else would say that
00:53:24
to me? Like, yeah, so, so, so they know
00:53:28
they're live. They know they say.
00:53:30
I really hope. Well, I was going to say, I
00:53:34
really hope he doesn't go to Castle Leathers to try to get
00:53:41
Julia because that means he would have to go against Lord
00:53:44
Lovett. But at the same Time, Lord
00:53:47
Lovett now is going to fall out of favor with the Grants because
00:53:53
he was the one that sent the accusation.
00:53:56
Right, and nothing is wrong with that and.
00:53:58
Nothing is wrong. And so he's going to come back
00:54:01
to Brian and be like. You lied to me.
00:54:03
I thought you had Brown was like I never told you I slept with
00:54:06
her. I just said that's my wife.
00:54:08
I mean, we just and not to mention it's not going to be
00:54:12
Isaac because Isaac did Isaac is dead.
00:54:15
It's going to be Malcolm and Malcolm going to be real pissed
00:54:18
because not. Only did.
00:54:20
You do this to her, especially if it causes her to lose him, to
00:54:23
lose her. Oh, it's going to be, it's going
00:54:26
to be some stuff. It's going to be some mess, yes.
00:54:31
So I asked God, why are they doing this to us?
00:54:34
And they've been that, you know, they only was on the worst
00:54:36
cliffhanger ever when this show. In you know this, Yes, yes.
00:54:42
But yeah, like you said, Isaac Grant, they they get up when
00:54:48
they're getting ready to leave Castle Leoch, a messenger comes,
00:54:52
gives Henry a letter and the letter states that Isaac Grant
00:54:55
has passed. And again, that's because Brian
00:54:58
McCarty, the actor who played him, passed away sometime after
00:55:03
filming Episode 4. So they did write that into the
00:55:06
story, you know? And so now Malcolm is the head
00:55:11
of the grant. So now we got to see what he's
00:55:15
going to do with that, how that's going to change things.
00:55:19
And then like, I wonder, is that the reason why now?
00:55:23
Like why Archbug ended up leaving the Grants?
00:55:26
Because Malcolm became head of the Grants and he was like, you
00:55:29
know what, I don't want to. Deal probably fired him I.
00:55:32
Was just about to say if I was Malcolm I.
00:55:34
Would get rid. I would, I would.
00:55:37
But also, that's the person who not only knows your dirty
00:55:40
secrets, that's the person who has done your family's dirty
00:55:42
secrets. So it might not be that easy to
00:55:45
get rid of him. Yeah, but I also feel like, you
00:55:50
know, I do feel like Arch Bug is trifling, but I also kind of
00:55:54
feel like out of respect, 'cause he, he clearly, I feel like he
00:55:57
actually likes Isaac. Yeah, I feel like he he not
00:56:03
looks up to him, but I he admires, he admires.
00:56:06
Him, yeah. Told to him so he might not want
00:56:10
to like ruin his memory maybe. But then again, it's arch bug,
00:56:13
he tried to kill a boy because his wife was stupid.
00:56:16
So I don't know. I mean try to get Rachel 'cause
00:56:19
his wife, so who knows? Yeah, but.
00:56:25
Oh OK, we got 2 episodes left. I don't even at this point, I
00:56:33
don't even know what I want to happen in these last two
00:56:36
episodes because we got the main thing.
00:56:37
Henry and Julian know each other, that they know that
00:56:40
they're alive. They know that they're in the
00:56:42
same time they are literally like in neighboring castles.
00:56:46
So OK, we're good on that. At this point, I don't know what
00:56:51
else can happen in this first season because again, this is a
00:56:55
story that we don't really know. I mean, I I don't know, and I'm
00:57:01
trying to think, I don't think I saw the the promos for the next
00:57:06
episode, so I need to go back and watch that.
00:57:09
But have you seen it, Dina? OK.
00:57:12
I don't see it. OK.
00:57:14
But yeah. So we have two episodes left for
00:57:18
season 1. And then we got a Season 8
00:57:21
trailer for Outlander this week, which Michelle has not seen yet
00:57:25
because she was traipsing on the seas and everything.
00:57:29
But I will just say this, I'm excited because there are some
00:57:35
things that are in the trailer that come from the book that I
00:57:40
really didn't think they were going to do, but it looks like
00:57:43
they're going to bring some of these book hotlines.
00:57:47
I'm so excited. There are characters that should
00:57:51
be coming back. I don't think it's really
00:57:54
spoiler because they had posted it on their social media.
00:57:57
But we do know that Ferguson, Marsley are coming back for this
00:58:01
final season. Yay because we have not had
00:58:04
enough of them. And then there were a couple of
00:58:09
other things, William. And then you see Brianna and
00:58:15
Rodger and you see Lord John. And so there's like, all these
00:58:20
different things going on. I'm trying to be vague because I
00:58:22
want Michelle to see. Yeah, I got to see it.
00:58:24
We made this. We may discuss the trailer just
00:58:26
separately, just, you know, whatever, whatever.
00:58:28
But I'm excited. But what I need them to do and I
00:58:32
put this on all this social medias, I was like stop teasing
00:58:36
us by saying early 2026 and give us a damn.
00:58:39
That's right. I need a date.
00:58:42
I need to know when drought Lander will be over.
00:58:47
Like for real? I mean, in January, are you
00:58:51
talking April? Are you talking, are you talking
00:58:53
October? No.
00:58:55
No, no, no, they said early. They better not play no games
00:58:58
early June. No, I'm just saying has to mean
00:59:04
first quarter. I'm just saying early has to
00:59:06
mean first quarter. That means they need to give us
00:59:09
the show before March. I would love it if they look.
00:59:12
If you want to drop it on Valentine's Day, that works.
00:59:14
Give me a Valentine's Day release date.
00:59:16
We're good. Yeah.
00:59:18
I I I need to know how many days I can mark off the calendar for
00:59:23
drop Lander to be over. Right.
00:59:26
I'm I'm so I'm I'm done. I, I need it, I thought I, So
00:59:32
the only thing I can think of that it wouldn't be as soon is
00:59:37
the fact that, you know, I've, I've mentioned this before.
00:59:41
I have been waiting to see if they were going to announce the
00:59:43
Outlander cast for New York Comic Con because they've been
00:59:47
at New York Comic Con the last few years.
00:59:49
So it is now the the end of September.
00:59:54
They still haven't been announced.
00:59:55
I feel like if it was coming like January, February, they
00:59:59
would have been at New York Comic Con to promote it,
01:00:01
especially with this being the last season.
01:00:03
Now, that's not to say they still can't because I mean, we
01:00:09
deal with cons here. They do last minute guest
01:00:12
announcements all the time. So it could still happen.
01:00:18
If it does, I'm gonna have to. I, I don't know what I'm gonna
01:00:21
do. I'm have to figure something
01:00:22
out. I'm gonna have to go.
01:00:24
I don't know. I'm have to do something.
01:00:26
That's coming up real, real soon.
01:00:27
Yes, in two weeks, 2-3 weeks. So, so I don't know.
01:00:34
But I mean, like I said, you talking early 2026, February is
01:00:39
in the middle of that early because I'm thinking January,
01:00:42
February, March, that's early April, May, June, you're already
01:00:45
midway through the year. That's not early anymore.
01:00:48
That's not early, no. And then what they did with
01:00:50
Season 7, it came out in or 7B came out in June.
01:00:55
So they kept saying early summer, early summer.
01:00:58
So I really feel like it's going to be in the next few months but
01:01:02
again, I I need a date. I need that New Year's.
01:01:05
That New Year's release is what I need.
01:01:08
That would be great. Wait, when?
01:01:10
Hold on, When is January 1st? That would be great because I
01:01:13
would be sitting on my couch watching Outlander.
01:01:16
I don't go out for New Year's Eve.
01:01:17
I just usually sit. Here again, it would need to be
01:01:21
January 1st. It cannot because.
01:01:23
Because stranger things I know. So it releases going to have a
01:01:27
competition here. This Outland released on Friday
01:01:32
like this show has been released?
01:01:35
I don't remember. Because the second Sunday,
01:01:40
Sunday. So yeah, January 4th.
01:01:43
I need it to be on TV. The first Sunday in January.
01:01:50
So Michelle, I already, I already kind of move forward
01:01:54
with this because I knew you wouldn't have a problem with it.
01:01:56
I did ask Dina if she wants to cover this season 8 with us and
01:01:59
she said yes. So continue to have Dina with us
01:02:03
for our Outlander coverage day. That's going to be fun.
01:02:08
So yeah, look, maybe we'll have a date by the time we get to
01:02:11
Conjuration because we are doing panels at Conjuration and
01:02:14
hopefully we haven't gotten our confirmation yet, but you know.
01:02:18
It's coming because he doesn't usually do it till like about
01:02:21
the 14th, the 15th of October, so.
01:02:23
And I need to submit tomorrow. For what?
01:02:28
I submit for Stranger Things. You know what?
01:02:30
I need you to get on it. Man behind it's on the list.
01:02:34
Here's the thing on the list. It he probably will.
01:02:37
Like if it's something that hasn't got a lot of different
01:02:41
stuff for, he probably put you right up in, you know?
01:02:44
Well, he did that last year 'cause I was way behind.
01:02:46
I was like, you can I still do? So he's like, yeah, just give me
01:02:49
a title. Just.
01:02:50
Give me a title. Yeah.
01:02:51
And we'll write it up later. And I'm like, OK.
01:02:54
But we are going to discuss Outlander at Conjuration, which
01:02:58
is November 14th through 16th here in Atlanta, is actually in
01:03:02
Duluth. So we'll be doing, I think I
01:03:06
submitted for two panels for the main show and for Blood in My
01:03:10
Blood because we Conjuration panels are only 45 minutes.
01:03:14
We cannot talk about those shows in 45 minutes.
01:03:17
No, you cannot. So we'll be doing that two more
01:03:24
episodes and then we'll be in like real, real drought Lander
01:03:28
until we give us this dates. But that's OK.
01:03:31
We we can keep the spirit alive. You guys have any final thoughts
01:03:36
on Episode 8? I'm.
01:03:40
I'm pretty satisfied. Yeah.
01:03:43
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01:03:46
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