Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 6) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #375
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Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 6) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #375

#outlander #bloodofmyblood Julia clears the air with Brian just as she goes into labor. Mr. Bug shares a sad memory as Henry reveals specifics of his search. Julia's confinement for childbirth is made more difficult by Miss Porter's recollections of her own traumatic experience. Lord Lovat makes plans to legitimize his new child's birth. Julia stands up for her child's safety in the midst of attack. Henry receives unwelcome news. Brian makes a pledge to protect Julia's child.


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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 6 of

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Outlander, Blood of My Blood and Good googly Moogly.

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This episode I Dina was messaging me back and forth with

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this episode and she was like I hate these women Oh my God.

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It was like watching a 1700s version of The Handmaid's Tale,

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which is where they get a lot of this stuff from in Handmaid's

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Tale. But it's just like, what am I

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watching, right? OK, so I'm gonna preface this

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episode by saying we had a lot to talk about in regards to Miss

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Davina Porter because we've been talking about her character and

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and kind of the the behavior that she has displayed against

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Ellen over the last couple of episodes.

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And we've really been complaining.

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Like we need to know the story. We need to know exactly what

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happened between her and Lord Lovett.

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Well, I guess the showrunners, we got it.

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Everybody was thinking that because we got in in this

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episode. And one of the things I think

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that I appreciate about this episode is that it really does

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show us how complex it was to be a woman in the 1700s.

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Because going back to our previous conversation about like

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Jacosta and Ellen and then thinking about Davina and the

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way that she's been with Julia, there's never just a clear cut

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reason for their behavior, for the things that they do and the

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decisions that they make. And I think this episode kind of

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spells it out. So I don't know if perfectly is

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the word I want to use, but it's like it makes you really look at

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this character, you know? So the episode starts out with

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Julia finding out that her waters have broken.

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She is in labor. We do get her being able to talk

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to Brian. This is the first time that

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she's really had a chance to see him since he left for Beltane.

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And she's able to tell him, look, this is not your father's

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child. This is just something I had to

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say in order to protect the life of my baby.

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She was like, you know, I think, you know, one of the things

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about Julia in the show is we see that she does have a lot of

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respect for Brian. And again, that is one of those

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friendships that are that is coming out of the show that I

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was not expecting, but I'm glad to see it.

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So I'm glad she had a chance to clear the air with him so that

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he's not angry with her. And now, you know, we move on to

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the birthing part. And, you know, he tells her he

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was like, well, I'm glad you. I'm glad you told me this.

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You need to be prepared for when you go into confinement.

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She's like confinement and I'm sitting here like.

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Confinement. Me too.

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I was like, what does that mean? What is confinement?

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What are we doing? It's about to happen.

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Wait, wait, wait. Yeah.

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I never heard about confinement when the one was bringing back

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in the day. No, yeah, no, that's just

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literally because like even in like stuff like even, well, even

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be before way, way before this, like that's what they used to

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do. They used to just make them stay

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away because they, well, first of all, they're all wide open

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stuff is, you know, you know, there's they're bleeding.

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It's just all kinds of, you know, gross stuff that happens

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with pregnancy. And so they made the women stay

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away for a long time. But it's typically women who are

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able to be confined because I'm sure the women who didn't have

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the opportunity to have like workers and people to take care

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of their household probably couldn't do this.

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But for the most part, back in the day, like in a lot of the

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old school movies and stuff, women, they would they would

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show them always having to be like separated from the people

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because they to a certain degree, they were unclean and

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men. They didn't need to be around

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men and just all this, you know. Yeah.

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I mean, it was like that kind of thing.

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And so like even for like the like, even for like people like,

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like say, for instance, in like Game of Thrones or whatever,

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they would have done that with them with a pregnant woman, they

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typically would have just had them away from the general

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public for a while until their healing was getting better and

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stuff like that. Typically they would be away.

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And because they, I mean, everything related to women's

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bodies and giving birth and periods, all that stuff has just

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become, it's unclean and it's all this.

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So they kind of had them. And back then, it really was

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because there was no germ control, no bacteria, you know?

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No, she was giving birth on Hey, I'm done.

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Yeah, on a, on a sheet, on a. On a sheet, baby.

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Yeah. OK.

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So, yeah, so they get ready to do this, this confinement thing.

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And it's like when she first walks into the room again, of

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course you have Miss Miss Porter telling, you know, the lair.

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Oh, she's about to have baby. He was like, I don't want to

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hear. That's too early.

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She was like, she's about to have this baby.

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Like, I know it's too early because I told your ass she was

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told you. I told you that she was pregnant

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with somebody else's child. Right.

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Right. But you.

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Want me to show it back up there?

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Stop it like I can't. Do so like so.

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Anyway, so we see her going into this room and they kind of sort

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of have it laid out. And then all of a sudden you see

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this like large group of women come in and at first they're

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like, oh, we're help you, we're here to help you deliver the

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child. This is a blessing event, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. They're being all nice to her

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and everything. And I don't know, something

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about it just wasn't sitting right in my soul.

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Yeah, all of a sudden it turned into, what was that, The

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Crucible? So quick, so quick.

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And it was because of, again, Miss, Miss Porter.

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Now, the interesting thing about this episode is we do get

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flashbacks into Miss Porter's background and into her own

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experience as a single mother, as a birthing mother.

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And, you know, we get to see kind of what happened.

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So we know for a fact that she was forced, that is, that has

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that question has been definitively answered now,

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because we do see a flashback of her younger self.

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She doesn't look like she was young young, but she probably

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was like maybe around 1819. I would guess around the age or

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she could be a little bit younger, but she looks older.

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They do make them look a little bit older in the show.

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And she's just in Lord Lovitz chambers.

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He's in the bed. She's like stuck in the

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fireplace over there. And of course he's making these

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overtures to her. He even sounds gross trying to

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flirt like just. Yeah, it's just, it's just

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disgusting. So he calls her over to the bed

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and, you know, he's being very obvious that he wants her to get

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in bed with him. And she's like, but what about

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my chores? What about, you know, stocking

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the fire and blah, blah, blah. She's, you know, she's trying to

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put them off and he basically gives her the look and he he

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says come here, come here. I said come here.

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So he's basically telling her she has no choice.

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Now when he gets her to the bed and she like gets ready to climb

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over him. This is very swift, is very

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fast, OK. He's literally like forces

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himself in her right then and there and he rapes her now.

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I don't even know. I don't even know how I want to

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start this conversation. Like I somewhere.

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You just you just felt bad for you all the instance of what is

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happening. It was so sudden, not just even

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the the 4th part 'cause we you could kind of see that's where

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it was going. But this is a girl who probably

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had no clue because again, they also don't do a lot of sex

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education, Batman, as far as telling people what to expect,

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whatever. And even if they did, they

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probably wouldn't have told her that particular way.

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But it was like, you did feel very much violated by what

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happened to her. But then the complicated stuff

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comes after that because the next flashback that we see of

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her, she's already very pregnant.

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He corners her in the hallway to try to have his way with her

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again, and she's trying to put him off.

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No, my look, my lair. And I'm pregnant.

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He was like, that's the best time to do it.

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I don't have to, you know, don't have to worry about any more

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bastards. Hi, Apollo.

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And then he tells her he's like, I've, I've seen you.

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I see what you're doing. You're in here all along.

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You've been looking at me. You want me?

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Tell me you want this. And it's like her face takes on

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so many different emotions at this point because at, on the,

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on the first glance, she's horrified.

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She doesn't want this to happen. She does look a little scared.

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But then when he says this to her, it's almost like something

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changes in her demeanor. And I don't know if it's just

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that she's thinking, OK, I need to protect myself.

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I need to protect this baby. And if it also could be, and

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this is going to, it could be that when he said that, she was

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probably like, OK, I do. But I don't think it was in the

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way that he was thinking. You know what I'm saying?

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One thing about the women in this time, and we've talked

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about it, they have a lot of complications when it comes to

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them, their status, their everything.

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This is a young girl who has already been ruined.

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Chances are her reputation isn't tatters.

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She has lost any prospect of finding a decent husband, you

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know, And I feel like at this point when he says that to her,

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I don't think at at any point she really wanted him or she

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wanted this. But maybe at that point she

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changed her mind because she realized this is probably the

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only way she's going to get that.

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You know, she's going to get any semblance of respect back on her

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name, which is so fucked up because of the situation that

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she's in. But unfortunately, this is what

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the women of the time have to deal with.

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Yeah. Like, and it's so sad seeing

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that realization kind of comes her because she's like, OK, you

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know what? I really don't want this, but if

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it will protect me, if it will protect my child, then yes.

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And she tells him, yes, I do want this, you know what I'm

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saying? And maybe she's thinking, OK,

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well, he's already ruined me. Maybe he'll marry me, make me

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the lady of the house. My child won't be a bastard.

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People won't think I'm out here just seducing the layered and

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that sort of thing. It pissed me off but at the same

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time I was like OK I get it. Yeah, I mean, it's very similar

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to what Julia did, you know, like, you know, and it also just

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pisses me off that everything men have 0 accountability.

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It is always oh, she seduced me. So you didn't have a choice.

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You couldn't resist. Because that's the thing that's

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so annoying. It's like.

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And unfortunately that comes with obviously patriarchy is

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where even women are brainwashed and convinced that this force of

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women is so strong that we just control everything.

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My we ain't got no power. We not strong.

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We can't own property. We can't do none of these things

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that men can do. Men are stronger than us.

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They'll whoop us, they'll beat us, whatever still is our rape

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us and rape us. But we got all this power.

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We control everything about them when it comes to them taking

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their pleasures out on us. And so that's just so

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frustrating. And it, and, and the other thing

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about this, as we see her kind of go through her flashbacks as,

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as this stuff is going on with Julia and we'll talk about the

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stuff with Julia too. But it's like, you see, as she

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gets older and as things change, there's a, there's a

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conversation that he has with her where I think she's asked

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like, what did you expect me to marry you or something like

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that? And it's the look of heartbreak

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on her face, not because she was ever in love with this man, but

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because she's like, that would have been a way for me to get my

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respect back. And the fact that he just kind

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of throws it in her face, like, Oh no, what would I do that for?

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Even after the stuff. So they keep mentioning a Miss

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Amelia and I feel like that Miss Amelia might be the noble woman

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that he was accused of kidnapping raping.

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Yeah, no, she totally was. Because they talk about that

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Davina worked for her. And then when she, when, when

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the, when her Handmaid's Tale grouping was, you know, cursing

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her to hell, They were basically like, why would he want you when

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he could have your mistress 'cause she's the real noble

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woman. She's the one who has, you know,

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but why would he? Why would he do this to you on

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purpose? It's your fault.

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You're the devil. Like, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. But it was, it was like watching

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this and then watching what she's going through because

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again, this, this, all this stuff is taking place while

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Julia's getting ready to give birth.

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And like we mentioned, the women came in, Oh, you're about to

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have the Lairds baby da, da, da, da, da, because the Laird is

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apparently been going around telling people that she's about

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to give birth to the future king of Scotland.

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Oh my gosh. So they're, they're treating her

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like this. And then when Miss Porter makes

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it known that, oh, this ain't, this ain't even his baby, like I

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think there, there's a, there's a oh, yeah, there, here's the

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same. She's in there tending to his

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fires and he's asleep and he's calling Julia's name and she

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looks really upset and really jealous.

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And again, it's one of those things where, yes, this man did

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this to you, but this still was probably your only way to get

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out of people one talking about you, saying things about you.

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The whole thing about your son being a bastard.

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Like if he had done the quote UN quote right thing and married

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her, that could have made-up for some of that as far as she's

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concerned. Again, right?

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No, it wouldn't really. But 1700s?

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In her mind, yeah. Right, 1700s in her, in her mind

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at least, her reputation would be intact, her son's legitimacy

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would be intact, that sort of thing.

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So all the stuff that she's been doing up to this point, I can

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kind of understand her, her reasoning now.

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Like, again, you're trying to protect your position, You're

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trying to protect your son's position.

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And then here comes this woman that you already know was

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pregnant by somebody else and she's pawning off her child as

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as the lairds and now he's talking about marrying Julia.

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Oh, go stand for the go stand for the reverence.

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So we can we can get married because this child is not going

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to be born a bastard. This child is going to be born

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in wedlock. And the look of outrage on her

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face. I was like, you know?

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What? Also, how dumb is that?

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The baby's in there. So.

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Oh yeah. Oh, we were married when the

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baby was born. That's how they mattered.

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What? What?

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They love changing the rules, don't they?

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There's so many things about the way that they do things back

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then that are just so problematic.

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So the fact that you have been, the fact that you have been here

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in this house taking care of this man who raped you, who got

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a child on you, but you have still been loyal.

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You have been taking care of this man.

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And and the really horrible thing about this is, like you

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said, she probably feels like it was her fault.

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I mean, she does say something to that effect when she's

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talking about sin. This is from Julia Sin.

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And Julia was like, what was your sin?

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She was like, I was young and I was beautiful and I let myself

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be alone in the room with him. So it was my fault.

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She was probably taught that. Oh yeah, just like she mother.

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Yeah, yeah, just like she told Julia that same mess not oh, he

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shouldn't be touching you 'cause you know, no, you don't put

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yourself. It's almost like, you know,

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people telling girls now, just like.

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Don't. Wear oh, you can't wear this.

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Traps don't wear. You know, yeah, don't you know,

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don't, don't be at this place because, well, OK, but how about

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they just keep their hands on these?

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Stuff that part. That part, yeah, that part so

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but her, her tale is a tragic tale.

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It is, but I still I was. Cursing at her too.

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So she's her. Tooth I was.

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Waiting teary about it though. No, I'm not.

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That was that was rough. It it it really was.

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Yeah. I not imagine paying.

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We only got 2 times what you know, imagine he just probably

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did that to her a lot, you know, like he did.

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Yeah, but I would say this too, I do feel like some of the looks

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that he's giving her, and even in this episode, when you see

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him look at her, it's almost like there's a small part of him

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that looks at her with guilt. Very small.

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And it's like when you've committed a crime to have the

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the the evidence walking around you, you know what I'm saying?

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It's like it slaps you in the face.

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And I think for a small smidget of a second, he feels, you know,

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maybe some remorse. And then it's it's like in a

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split second is gone. Yeah.

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Because this is a woman who has been loyal to you, who has been

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a a faithful servant, who is never, apparently never told

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anybody about what happened except for the fact that, you

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know, it, it happened. Maybe not in the way that that

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it she should have been telling people, but you know, she had to

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tell somebody who who her baby's daddy was, right?

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Yeah, at some point. Nobody's ever accused him of

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raping her except for people within the family, You know what

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I'm saying? Because you heard Jamie say

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something about it. And then even in this episode,

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when Brian is talking to Julia and she's telling him about what

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happened, he was like, OK, I just have my one question.

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Did my father rape you? Did he force you?

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I'm like, the fact that that is the first question anybody asked

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when they find out that this child is yours.

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Were you forced? Yeah.

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That's it. That's so much about your

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character, yeah, and about who you are.

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But. And then the fact that she's

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like, he didn't, you know, I'm sure it made Brian feel the

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whole kind of way because he knows.

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He also, because he knows, he understands, because she told

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him she was like, look, I was already pregnant when I got here

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and I was told very quickly what the consequences of that would

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be. I had to do what I needed to do

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to save my baby. Yeah.

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And I think he understands that, you know, and Even so, even more

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so at the end when she, you know, when he's talking to Julia

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after she's had the baby and he's talking about his mom.

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And she was like, no, you don't understand.

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You are your mother's greatest joy.

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Your mother has never regretted you.

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You know, even with all of this bullshit with, with Lord loving

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and everything, like she's never regretted you.

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But it's at this part now. I gotta Fast forward.

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I can't. OK.

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I'm, I'm, I'm beginning of her confinement and the ladies are

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in there. And so that's, that's where I

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am. And we were all good.

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We were all good at the 1st at the beginning.

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Cause well, so The thing is, I will say in this case, they

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actually was I when I, when they thought, you know, he might have

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attacked her. Because typically, even in those

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situations, we can be very harsh to women who have been raped,

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right? Especially back in those days.

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But they seem to be actually like, it ain't your fault, you

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know, whatever. But we going, we going to just

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thank God for this, this king that you about to have.

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You know what? I'm.

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Saying right. And then someone, someone in the

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room said, you know what? Nah, she can't.

00:22:29
She can't have a baby in this, this special light right here.

00:22:32
No, we're not going to let this happen.

00:22:33
Yeah, I mean. And that's when I got mad with

00:22:38
Miss Porter. I said, now, Miss Porter, now

00:22:40
you being a real B right now, right now, right now.

00:22:44
And I understand the trauma you went through, but you don't have

00:22:46
to put me through your trauma. Right.

00:22:49
Like, why would you want somebody else to go through

00:22:50
that? Right.

00:22:52
Yeah, but she was mad because she was mad.

00:22:55
She didn't like this special treatment here.

00:22:57
She's sitting here looking. I'm seeing her now.

00:22:59
She looking like. Yeah, she was in there.

00:23:02
Hoeing. Yeah, she was like, yeah, she

00:23:05
went to him. She's like Boo, we are nothing

00:23:08
to like nothing. We are necessary.

00:23:11
She sort him out. Yeah, yeah, just like you know.

00:23:16
And I said, you know what? You didn't have to do that,

00:23:19
Heifer. She didn't, but again, she's

00:23:22
trying to protect her place. And her son's place, I think it

00:23:28
and you don't want to be honest no, that wasn't that was right

00:23:32
because. I don't suffer and you about to

00:23:35
get away with. This shit, yeah, that was no

00:23:37
that. Was not about Brian or any of

00:23:39
that. And I didn't lie in my

00:23:41
situation. You are lying.

00:23:43
Yeah. Women.

00:23:44
No, no, no. What I'm saying because this was

00:23:46
right after he had told her he had planned to marry Julia.

00:23:49
No. But I'm saying, is she not

00:23:51
thinking about her place and right now all of her feelings?

00:23:55
Yeah, women. She is in play.

00:23:56
Yeah. She's hearing them doe over

00:23:59
Julia and say all these things about her baby and you know he's

00:24:04
a so and so and we know, but it doesn't matter because you

00:24:07
haven't Bonnie Prince, whoever the hell you haven't, and we

00:24:10
excited the Lord has blessed you.

00:24:12
Oh, that would be so weird if she hadn't feel Bonnie Prince

00:24:16
Charlie right And. OK, we can't go there.

00:24:22
And then mark me in my head. Mark me James.

00:24:29
Mark me. And then that's what was in her

00:24:31
mind. It wasn't even at this time, all

00:24:34
that placement and all that, that was out the window.

00:24:36
Hers is I was traumatized for real.

00:24:41
You over there lying because I know you lied.

00:24:44
I knew you were pregnant beforehand.

00:24:47
And they treating you this way. Oh no.

00:24:50
And I've been nice to you and I'm not quite sure my son.

00:24:55
She been nice to her, no? She did try to, she did help her

00:24:58
in the beginning though, because when he was all on her, she had

00:25:02
that same thing happened to her. So she was like, don't be in the

00:25:05
room with him. I'll.

00:25:06
Give her that. Stay behind me.

00:25:09
Right, she did. Try to warn her he tried to help

00:25:12
her with the flowers. I mean she was doing and telling

00:25:16
her you not you can't have a baby in this situation.

00:25:19
I mean however you come in, you act like you look better than me

00:25:26
let's be honest. Then you do seduce the layer.

00:25:33
We already know you were with child because I just tried to

00:25:36
tell you to get rid of the child.

00:25:39
Yeah. And then now I don't even know

00:25:41
what's going on with you and my son, because something's there,

00:25:46
yes. That part and my brother, she

00:25:49
said that out loud in front of all the women.

00:25:51
I was like, oh, she just murky in the waters.

00:25:53
Like, yeah, she she was done. She let it all out.

00:25:56
Yeah, that I do feel like she was petty because once she knows

00:26:00
that Brian, that wasn't Brian Strike.

00:26:02
You know your baby, right? And she?

00:26:05
First of all, all of that went out the window.

00:26:09
She don't know. She been seeing them on each

00:26:12
other and they have a secret and they do have a secret and they

00:26:15
went off, yes, running off. That is.

00:26:19
True, Oh no, she don't really know what is happening here.

00:26:24
But then when you you find out that she was in that same

00:26:27
situation and they were like literally like like crapping on

00:26:31
her. No, this woman is not about to

00:26:33
have no fantastic magical birth. Yeah.

00:26:37
When she's lying and Julia is lying, she is lying.

00:26:43
Yeah and yeah. But I love her commitment

00:26:47
through the pain. You continue to lie, girl.

00:26:49
She could have survived the war hunt and she would have been a

00:26:52
spy. Listen, you didn't lay down

00:26:55
Julie. Yeah.

00:26:56
Y'all are not about to do anything to me or this baby.

00:27:00
My child, no, this is Simon Lovett, This is Simon kept

00:27:04
calling. The man name?

00:27:06
Oh no, I'm at the point they threw her ass on the floor.

00:27:09
I'm done. They threw.

00:27:12
On you don't deserve her hey bed, hey Manger you don't

00:27:16
deserve. Hey Manger, let me tell.

00:27:18
You you about to get on the floor, honey, get on that floor.

00:27:22
These women in the 1700s, like this whole because, because of

00:27:30
course, they started calling her a witch.

00:27:31
And I was like, I was, I was having, I was having Claire

00:27:35
flashbacks like, oh, here we go with this again.

00:27:38
Like all the stuff that they were doing and they were, they

00:27:42
were like really trying to 'cause this woman stress.

00:27:46
Yeah. And this stress didn't.

00:27:49
Even kill her right Like it's just craziness baby.

00:27:54
I love Julie where she said if y'all OK, if I'm not lying my

00:28:02
son becomes king Old all y'all are dead, all y'all I'm coming

00:28:08
back for you. What?

00:28:10
If I was in the room, I'll be like, hey, what if she had a

00:28:13
point? How many?

00:28:15
'Cause they superstitious. They superstitious at this

00:28:18
point. I think that's all I need.

00:28:20
I'll be like, I think we need to stop.

00:28:22
Yeah. And you know, what I said kind

00:28:24
of put me in the mind up too, because all this stuff going on,

00:28:26
it's after that point in like, you know, in America where

00:28:29
they're doing the Salem witch trials and all that stuff.

00:28:31
And it's, it is kind of shocking that in the 1700s they were

00:28:34
still kind of doing Pagan stuff over there anyway, especially

00:28:37
with I'm sure the knowledge of the witch trials probably came

00:28:40
overseas and stuff like that. But like all their mindsets

00:28:43
turned into basically like we're talking about the Crucible.

00:28:45
It basically turned into Salem witch trials.

00:28:47
As soon as they thought that she was a hoe, right?

00:28:49
Like then it became, oh, you're a witch.

00:28:51
You, you're a demon. You possessed him and you have a

00:28:54
demon in you because you won't admit that this ain't his kid.

00:28:57
And it's just like, it's so crazy how people their minds

00:29:01
just flip flop like that. You was literally praising me

00:29:06
and and and one. 2 seconds ago. Oh, it's going to be beautiful.

00:29:10
Because pray for your child now you're the devil.

00:29:14
Now we can go kill you, baby. What right my excuse me did?

00:29:19
Did y'all not realize this is still supposedly Lord love this

00:29:22
baby. And then they said basically

00:29:25
they was like they didn't care and they thought it would be

00:29:27
better for her baby if the baby wasn't there because now she's a

00:29:31
poor what? Let me tell you, can you tell?

00:29:37
Me what baby? I was cussing.

00:29:44
I was too. I was too.

00:29:46
And and like, like Michelle said, I was still.

00:29:50
I was so mad at Davina because I was like, I understand.

00:29:54
But then when you see the flashbacks of what she went

00:29:56
through with her child, I was like, why would you want another

00:29:58
woman to go through? Right, and I like and I like how

00:30:02
they I like how they did that in this episode where we're we're

00:30:05
at the same point. We're getting her back story and

00:30:09
getting how literally it was the same.

00:30:13
And now you could make the choice of I continue in the path

00:30:18
that you went on or you make a change because you started

00:30:22
because we would have had a magical birth until you came in

00:30:24
and spoke up and said something. And now I'm being treated the

00:30:27
same way you were treated. You.

00:30:31
You can't be, you can't be the same woman that raised Brian.

00:30:37
Right. Right.

00:30:37
Right. And I like how she mentioned

00:30:39
those things. You like you, you, your son is

00:30:41
the way he is because of you. So you going to like, let this

00:30:45
happen here? You're going to let this happen

00:30:47
here. Yeah, even though Julie, you are

00:30:50
lying though, but that's OK. We going we going to believe me

00:30:53
that. She wanted to protect her child

00:30:55
and I'm glad. And she said it was.

00:30:57
Something that she could say to reach Davina, because Davina was

00:31:02
like Miss Porter was like, I don't care about you.

00:31:06
I don't care about this child, whatever she was like when she

00:31:08
said, are you telling the truth? Swear on your child's name.

00:31:10
She was like, I will swear on everything in the world, she

00:31:12
said. But she said, but if I have to

00:31:15
do that, go ahead and strike me down now.

00:31:18
She said, cuz I do not want to live in a world where God would

00:31:21
strike down an innocent child. She says I will swell everything

00:31:25
but my child's life. I will not do that.

00:31:28
And I think when that resonated with Miss Porter because she was

00:31:32
like, OK, you know what, I had to decide to do this.

00:31:36
I had to say that no matter what I was going to do whatever for

00:31:41
my child. And again, this, that kind of

00:31:46
that flashback to when she has Brian and she's, you know, she's

00:31:51
cradling him and she's making him a promise.

00:31:54
It's like everything that we have seen her go through from

00:31:59
Lord Lovett and the rape all the way up till now, just trying to

00:32:03
protect her child. She understands that.

00:32:06
I mean, my goodness, she's living with the man who raped

00:32:09
her. She continues to to work for him

00:32:13
to make sure that her son has what he's supposed to have.

00:32:18
Yeah. And I'm glad she finally was

00:32:21
like, OK, look all y'all bitches get the fuck out.

00:32:23
Yeah, we got. There, well, 'cause I mean, they

00:32:27
cause for her. The thing that's sad is even

00:32:29
worse that Davina, you know, blurted all that out and did all

00:32:33
that. What makes that worse is she

00:32:36
didn't have anybody to back like to be there for her, so she was

00:32:39
just getting it from point. Like her confinement was just

00:32:43
them spitting vitriol at her about her being a whore the

00:32:46
whole time. Like she didn't get none of

00:32:48
that. All you having the Bonnie Prince

00:32:49
toilet, whatever feel. It's just.

00:32:53
In my head, don't do it. Don't do that.

00:32:58
It's very sad to me that it took her so long to even have to like

00:33:02
dredge that up to, to have some compassion for Julie because

00:33:07
this woman got kidnapped. She got sold off.

00:33:09
She said she had, she had another life.

00:33:12
And you know, notice your life now, you know, so you know, this

00:33:16
ain't where she belongs. So her being pregnant and

00:33:19
happened and possibly having a husband out there, you just

00:33:22
don't let her suffer. That's not her fault.

00:33:25
And then, you know, those women were so nasty and horrible and

00:33:28
she had that like cussed them out.

00:33:30
Like, no, this is my child. Because what I've been through

00:33:32
is one thing. But this right here, this is my

00:33:34
baby, you know? And so it's just like, I just I

00:33:37
just wish she had had it more clarity earlier on.

00:33:41
It shouldn't have took her so long to get to that point where

00:33:45
she realized this is messed up. But she's, she's a product of

00:33:48
the time. Yeah, unfortunately, you know,

00:33:52
but these, these, when I said these women.

00:33:58
And then oh, and let me just tell you, OK, OK, Growing up in

00:34:03
the church all my life, parents minister, whatever.

00:34:07
One of the things you don't do is like in just anybody lay

00:34:10
hands on you and touch you claiming they praying over you.

00:34:13
And when I say their energy. And the.

00:34:16
Touching and I thought they was doing to her.

00:34:18
I was like girl. You.

00:34:20
Know get that evil life for you. I I just you know, I'm not even

00:34:25
the I'm not even hardcore in in the Church of Christian none of

00:34:29
that anymore. But like I was feeling some kind

00:34:32
of way like girl, no spirits is in the room.

00:34:34
You need to get that off. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I was, oh,

00:34:39
child, I had me, I had flashbacks and like stuff.

00:34:41
And I'm just like this. Oh, this is nasty.

00:34:44
Yeah, yeah, I was it. It was very hard to sit and

00:34:48
watch that scene because I was just like, you know, people have

00:34:55
good intentions most of the time, but.

00:34:59
They didn't. Everybody, everybody don't need

00:35:03
to pray for everybody. No, they don't.

00:35:06
You know, especially when. You ain't looking at your own

00:35:09
stuff and you judging somebody else's.

00:35:12
Stuff and you switched so quickly.

00:35:14
Yeah. She said one thing.

00:35:16
Right. Oh, shame.

00:35:18
And you know, that made me think of Game of Thrones.

00:35:20
It made terrible. Yeah, I was like, here we go,

00:35:22
here we go. OK, SEPTA.

00:35:28
Yeah. What was her name?

00:35:29
SEPTA. SEPTA Mordane.

00:35:31
Mordane. Shane.

00:35:33
Shane. Shane.

00:35:35
Yep. But which?

00:35:40
Side note, I didn't know that was the same person from Ted

00:35:43
Lasso, 'cause I absolutely love her.

00:35:46
Hannah Wattington. Yeah.

00:35:47
Right. And I was like, that's her.

00:35:50
I didn't like her a long time ago.

00:35:52
OK, my bad. Yeah, but.

00:35:57
Coming away from the birthing chamber for a minute, let's

00:35:59
let's go to the actual Lord love it and, and his his son, 'cause

00:36:07
I really love that Brian kind of stood up to his father in this

00:36:10
conversation. Like somebody needs to, somebody

00:36:15
needs to tell you your ass. Yeah, You know, but I felt so

00:36:20
bad for him, too, because Lord love, it makes it very clear

00:36:27
that he doesn't think Brian is worthy.

00:36:29
Yeah. And it's so sad that somebody

00:36:34
who is like Brian, you know, murders stuff aside, somebody

00:36:40
who is like Brian feels like he still needs the approval of

00:36:48
someone like Lord Lovett. Yeah.

00:36:51
You know, just because that's his father.

00:36:55
And it that thing was, it was hard, but oh, I was telling

00:37:02
Dina, there was, there was one thing about that scene that just

00:37:04
kind of it was so small, but it caught my eye or it caught my

00:37:08
ear, I should say. When they're having a

00:37:11
conversation right before they they have the conversation.

00:37:13
Actually, he asked Brian something about, oh, yeah, so

00:37:17
you're jealous like your mother, right?

00:37:20
He says no. And the way that he says no

00:37:24
sounds so much like Sam as Jamie.

00:37:27
When he says no, it's like he said it.

00:37:30
And I had to turn and look at the TV, like, let me rewind

00:37:33
this. He says it just like him.

00:37:37
I was like, wait, we're saying. But anyway, that was just a

00:37:41
small aside. But yeah, you know, we talked

00:37:45
about this in the last episode where we was trying to figure

00:37:48
out like, what is it about Brian that Lord Lovett just doesn't

00:37:51
like? And he does in fact make mention

00:37:56
that Brian is nothing like him. You know, that Brian took off

00:38:02
and and went on his little pilgrimage and he was like,

00:38:05
yeah, you doing that kind of stuff that why would I think you

00:38:09
worthy? Like, why would I give you

00:38:11
anything? Because basically Brian is a

00:38:14
better man than him. Yeah.

00:38:17
And. And Sam, you know.

00:38:20
Brian does kind of get hit, dig his heels, and he's kind of

00:38:24
like, OK, but you ain't all that great a person.

00:38:28
Why would I want, you know? Yeah, why would I want to

00:38:31
emulate that? But again, you still see the the

00:38:34
sadness on his face because basically what he's trying to

00:38:37
what he's trying to do, I think he's trying to figure out what

00:38:41
it is that he needs to do to please his father so that his

00:38:45
father will see him as legitimate.

00:38:50
I think that's the thing, because I think he's thinking

00:38:53
about if I want to marry Ellen. And I think this is something

00:38:57
else too. Julia makes mention to Brian,

00:39:01
she was like, if Lady Ellen were carrying your child, wouldn't

00:39:05
you want her to have the best blah, blah, blah.

00:39:07
And I think that kind of that scared him a little bit because

00:39:11
there is a possibility she could be pregnant at this time.

00:39:14
You know, they did kind of sleep together.

00:39:16
But I think he really started thinking about, oh, my God, if

00:39:22
Ellen were to be in a similar situation to Julia, what do I

00:39:25
have to offer her? Nothing.

00:39:27
I'm a bastard. I had no, I had no titles and no

00:39:31
property. I have nothing.

00:39:32
And I think he was really trying to see, like, what do I need to

00:39:37
do to get my father's approval 'cause even when he mentions it

00:39:40
to his mother, his mother is kind of like, why are you asking

00:39:44
all this now? This has never bothered you

00:39:46
before. I'm like they trying to tear

00:39:50
this Ellen pregnant. I mean, 'cause that's the thing.

00:39:54
Like, I guess that's it. Anytime that they act like

00:39:57
they're surprised that it happened and I'm like, what do

00:39:59
you think happens? Like, yeah.

00:40:01
You know, so yeah, no, I think that's true or not.

00:40:06
I also think that him, just his, him and his dad and him having

00:40:11
to stand up to his dad all the time and then get punished for

00:40:14
it and stuff like that, with him being the only person who's

00:40:17
willing to take whatever they got to take just to let this

00:40:20
fool know about himself. If I know that gets tiring.

00:40:23
I know that gets hard and it gets tiring.

00:40:25
I know he gets so tired of doing that.

00:40:27
Because this is clearly not the second.

00:40:29
Because we've seen it what, once one other time and now we've

00:40:31
seen it again where he just attacks Brian and.

00:40:35
Yeah, clearly something that's been since he's been a child,

00:40:37
you know, and for him to still have it in himself to be like,

00:40:42
you're a crappy person did it. But it's almost like he's like

00:40:46
even when he was watching him, when he was getting punished,

00:40:49
it's like he's jealous of him. Yeah, because he's a real man.

00:40:53
He's he's a real stand up guy, right?

00:40:56
Who is not, you know, a old lectures.

00:40:59
Gross, horrible, right. Nothing like his father, you

00:41:04
know. But that's also the other thing

00:41:06
that they said, that toxic meant the toxic male energy that meant

00:41:09
that masculinity where like you got to be this certain kind of

00:41:12
person and if you're not that certain kind of person, you're

00:41:15
not a man. Well, no, he's just, he's a man.

00:41:19
He's a real man 'cause he ain't out here bastardizing everybody

00:41:22
and raping people and other folks.

00:41:26
Right. And talking about how how people

00:41:29
did you rock? Yep, you can't the right

00:41:32
something about it. Not just somebody, a noble

00:41:35
woman. Noble woman I'm.

00:41:37
Surprised they didn't like again we talk about clan justice.

00:41:41
They could have done way worse things to him.

00:41:44
Yeah, probably who? Gotten away with it.

00:41:47
Did did we? What was her?

00:41:48
Did we hear her last name? No.

00:41:50
OK, 'cause I'm wondering if she was a part of, you know, the

00:41:55
Mackenzie's are part of like maybe people or was he like some

00:42:00
other clan or whatever? I I would.

00:42:05
Well, no, because you know what? If she's a noble woman, I would

00:42:11
think. I don't think that would be

00:42:13
because I don't. Because she could be a Laird,

00:42:18
somebody you know from another clan, and be noble.

00:42:24
See, I wonder if they use that term for like the clans.

00:42:29
Oh Lord, like maybe more like a English person.

00:42:32
That's what I was thinking, because usually when you're

00:42:37
talking about nobility, you're talking about like a step down

00:42:40
from royalty like in the in those kind of high class upper

00:42:44
echelons. And I don't really think they

00:42:49
have, I don't really think they they measured status like that

00:42:54
in Scotland. Not that I not that I can

00:42:57
recall. OK.

00:42:59
So it could have been somebody English.

00:43:03
I I don't know. I.

00:43:04
Which would make sense. I don't know.

00:43:07
No, that would make sense because then whoever the king is

00:43:11
would give typically gives. You know that typically whoever

00:43:15
the royal family is a king, they put the the Lords and the, you

00:43:20
know, on whoever is in power, they like bestow land on them or

00:43:24
whatever. So it could possibly be that she

00:43:27
was a Sassenach. And then he was probably

00:43:30
Mackenzie probably was like he did it.

00:43:33
And then the king or whomever was like, right, give me your

00:43:36
titles, give me your lands. You go, you know.

00:43:39
Yeah, could be. OK, Well, yeah, that man's just

00:43:46
despicable. Very much so.

00:43:49
Like, and you know what, I, Well, yeah, 'cause I was going

00:43:52
to say they, they, they really would have killed her for that,

00:43:55
'cause I was going to say the fact that she has never slit his

00:43:58
throat or done anything like. And that's what I was.

00:44:02
I was like, you must die. And then I'm thinking at any

00:44:06
point, can you you cook his food, drug him?

00:44:09
Well, yeah. You know what?

00:44:11
Yeah, but you know what suspicion probably would have

00:44:15
fallen on her because she's the one that's she's in charge of

00:44:18
the household. So.

00:44:19
Right, But. Do somebody else, but you just

00:44:21
do it like snow. Yeah, this how you?

00:44:24
Do make him sick. She can make him sick.

00:44:26
They know the herbs and you do it when y'all are good.

00:44:30
Like I'm not mad at him. I don't know what is happening

00:44:32
to him you. Know what?

00:44:33
She should have did it, Michelle, She should have did it

00:44:35
when he was going that long trip he was just on and whatever he

00:44:39
took with him and over, like little pieces of something and

00:44:43
everything he was going to eat on the road and he was there by

00:44:47
the time he got to wherever he was going and he died.

00:44:49
How could I have done that? But if he was traveling with

00:44:52
other people, other people might have been suspicious.

00:44:56
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, I

00:44:58
get it. But yeah, my.

00:44:59
That was my thoughts too. Like, why shouldn't kill him by

00:45:01
now? Because I would have murdered

00:45:02
him. Yeah, me.

00:45:04
Too. But you know what?

00:45:05
That probably still wouldn't have worked out in her favor.

00:45:07
Because if he dies and Brian is not legitimized, they don't get

00:45:13
none of that. But you know what?

00:45:16
Some points it ain't worth it. Oh.

00:45:17
You you're right, you're right, but.

00:45:19
I mean, you might as well just go go for gold.

00:45:22
Yeah, I. Guess, and I get it.

00:45:24
In the situation where he is now, though, he gave Brian his

00:45:26
last name, so technically he's his only living air.

00:45:32
Yeah, Air. Like bastard or not, they

00:45:34
probably, you know, would go ahead and be like, OK, you know.

00:45:41
Or you'll have some other some other clans fighting for

00:45:44
fighting for the lands. Yeah, that, yeah, that's true

00:45:48
too, but. OK, enough of Lord Lovett.

00:45:53
Yes. But for now, I hate archbug even

00:46:01
more now. He's just cruel for cruel.

00:46:07
So just for no reason. Oh God.

00:46:10
I'm on that scene of and. You know, yeah, me too.

00:46:13
But here's the thing. There was a split second in the

00:46:16
episode where I felt a little bit of sympathy and empathy for

00:46:20
him. And this is because, you know,

00:46:24
Harry is walking out, I guess, about to go to Inverness.

00:46:27
Bug comes after him, and he's like, where are you going?

00:46:29
Well, why does it matter? He was like, I'll be back in

00:46:32
time to do what I'm supposed to do.

00:46:34
He says, well, it's, you know, it's my job to keep track of

00:46:37
you, to make sure you're not wasting the Lord's delayed time

00:46:41
and that you're doing, you know, all, you're not chores, but you

00:46:43
know, all your duties and everything.

00:46:46
And why do you keep going on about this woman?

00:46:48
He was like, OK, so this is not just any woman.

00:46:51
This is my wife and my child. So he finally says it.

00:46:55
It's my wife and my unborn child because that's what he's doing.

00:46:59
He's he's going to Inverness to try to find some midwives to see

00:47:03
if anybody has delivered a baby because he was like, it's about

00:47:06
time. He was like when we got here,

00:47:07
when we got separated, she was pregnant or she was with child

00:47:12
and she should be due to give birth any day now.

00:47:14
I'm just trying to find anybody who can find her.

00:47:17
And then for a split second, Arch's whole face changes and he

00:47:22
was like, I have a son that I had a son that was dead born.

00:47:28
And I remember his face and those wee lashes that were too

00:47:33
long to be on a last face. He was like, my Medina almost

00:47:38
didn't survive. He was like, but you know, she's

00:47:42
here. But he kind of trails off, like

00:47:45
she almost died with the baby. And this is the first time we've

00:47:48
heard mention of Medina in this 'cause I didn't even know if he

00:47:51
was married at this point yet because we never heard him

00:47:54
mention her. But when he manages, like,

00:47:58
again, his whole face, his whole demeanor changes.

00:48:01
You can see the sadness in him that, you know, their child was

00:48:05
lost. He almost lost his wife.

00:48:06
So he was like, let me go speak to let to the Laird on your

00:48:10
behalf. We can have the midwives come

00:48:13
here to to talk to you and answer any questions.

00:48:16
So here is like, oh, you'll do that for me.

00:48:18
Oh, OK. Well, thank you.

00:48:21
Really thinking that this is a sincere gesture from Archbug.

00:48:27
I don't know why I let myself fall into that chain of

00:48:32
thinking. Because what we find out, the

00:48:37
midwives come through the answer questions, answer questions, and

00:48:40
then all of a sudden there's one midwife who answers the

00:48:43
question. And these things are taking

00:48:45
place parallel to Julia going through labor and actually

00:48:50
giving birth. This one lady comes in, and when

00:48:54
he starts asking about an English woman with child, she's

00:48:57
like Julia Beecham. I'm sitting here like they're

00:49:06
going to be reunited. He's going to find out, she

00:49:09
handled. And yeah.

00:49:14
I don't even his face is so joyous.

00:49:21
And she tells him, yeah, she had the baby.

00:49:24
This was about a week ago. Well, how is she?

00:49:26
What? How's how's the baby?

00:49:29
She didn't make it and neither did the child.

00:49:33
And I'm sitting here, I think Dina messaged me and she was

00:49:36
like, what the fuck, Julia? I'm like just got to be a lie

00:49:40
just because. At this point in the show, on

00:49:44
Julia's end, we know that she's having the baby, but we don't

00:49:47
see her actually have the baby. So I'm thinking I'm like, Oh my

00:49:51
God, did they kill her off? Did they kill her off?

00:49:56
So of course Henry, he's upset. He he takes it hard.

00:50:01
The lady, you know, she, she gets escorted out and she was

00:50:04
like, I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:06
Arch bug. This is where I started getting

00:50:08
suspicious. Arch bug immediately pulls,

00:50:11
pours him a DRAM, brings it over.

00:50:13
He was like, OK, so now you know, now you can have you a

00:50:16
drink more and then get on with your work.

00:50:19
So fuck what then he goes outside because the midwife is

00:50:25
out there and we found out that he basically paid this woman to

00:50:30
lie so that Henry would let go of his search and continue to

00:50:35
focus on his work for the Grants.

00:50:37
I have never hated a character so much as I hated Arch Bug in

00:50:44
that moment. I would say Arch bug needs to

00:50:52
die, but we know he doesn't die for many many many many many

00:50:55
many many years. Still.

00:50:58
Shitty. Which makes you wonder about how

00:51:03
old arch bug is supposed to be in here.

00:51:04
Because this is 1715. It is like 1780 something when

00:51:11
they are in the colonies and when Arch Bug dies.

00:51:15
So he got to be, he had to be almost 100 years old trying to

00:51:19
kidnap folks and kill folks. And yeah, anyway.

00:51:28
Yeah, Ashwood can suck it. I'm over him.

00:51:34
And then what happens after that?

00:51:37
Henry leaves the house and goes into the woods to kind of stream

00:51:41
and and get his grief out. And this is playing parallel to

00:51:49
him having a recollection or we having a flashback of when World

00:51:53
War One was over and he's running through the streets with

00:51:56
the newspaper. The war is over.

00:51:58
The war is over. And he starts doing this in

00:52:03
1715. He starts running through the

00:52:08
woods and he's repeating everything that he said back

00:52:12
then. And when I say I started crying

00:52:17
because I realized his mind has had broken, we broke him.

00:52:22
The news about Julia and his child's death broke him to the

00:52:28
point where he didn't know what he was saying or what he was

00:52:33
doing and what he do. And in the flashback, he goes

00:52:39
home to Julia. He tells her about the war being

00:52:42
over, and he has a conversation with her.

00:52:45
And she's looking at him like, I don't understand what you're

00:52:48
saying. What are you talking about?

00:52:50
And we find out that Henry has made his way back to the

00:52:54
warehouse, to the brothel, and he is talking to the English

00:53:00
poor, but he does not see her. He does not acknowledge her.

00:53:05
He does not know where he is. He thinks she is Julia and she

00:53:14
goes along with it because this is the only way she can get this

00:53:17
man to bed her. Has she been waiting?

00:53:20
And she's been waiting. Too much.

00:53:23
Girl and she allows him to, and I don't even know if she

00:53:28
understands what she's witnessing right now with him.

00:53:32
No, no. Until he calls her Julia.

00:53:35
And then I think at that point she realizes, OK, something

00:53:38
ain't right with him. But she just goes on.

00:53:43
She leads him to the bed, they have sex.

00:53:45
And all this time he is thinking he is with Julia.

00:53:48
And when I say I want to scream at the TV because as as much as

00:53:56
he held on to the fact that he was not going to be unfaithful

00:54:02
to his wife. And now that he is done and what

00:54:05
is going to happen if he wakes up from this fever dream that he

00:54:09
just had and realizes what he has done, that's going to be

00:54:15
another grief on top of grief on top of grief.

00:54:19
Yeah. And we already know that he has

00:54:25
bouts of PTSD. Yeah, We know that he can have

00:54:31
bouts of violence. I just don't know what is going

00:54:39
to happen with him. Yeah.

00:54:41
And this situation and this girl, once he finds out that

00:54:46
she, I, I, and I don't know if there was anything that she

00:54:50
could have done to snapping out of that.

00:54:53
No, the fact that you didn't even try.

00:54:56
Yeah, she didn't want to. Because at first, she really

00:55:00
thought he was coming back until that wasn't making any sense.

00:55:04
And then it's like, OK, yeah, when?

00:55:06
When you call somebody by somebody else's.

00:55:08
Name. Yeah.

00:55:10
That should have told you right then.

00:55:12
But I I tell you, Henry's his story.

00:55:22
Just so heartbreaking. It is.

00:55:24
So what I need for is then you do something 'cause we getting,

00:55:31
do we getting Ellen and Brian and, you know, making love in

00:55:34
the castle beautiful and together they, they, you know,

00:55:38
Mary, but not Mary, but Harry, I mean, and Julie, we put them

00:55:44
through the ringer. Can we get them back together

00:55:46
please? Yeah, no.

00:55:49
'Cause I'm done. Looking at like I'm looking at

00:55:52
our backgrounds thinking about this because I really kind of

00:55:57
feel like they may never get back together because I feel

00:56:01
like or OK or so two things. It could be a symbol of they may

00:56:08
never make it back together because there's the, you know,

00:56:10
mine where they're reaching for each other, but they're

00:56:12
separate. And then and yours, she's not

00:56:15
looking at him and he's, you know, and so that could be two

00:56:19
things. It could be they they're never

00:56:20
gonna make it back together. They're gonna always be within

00:56:23
reach, but without of reach kind.

00:56:25
Of yeah or. I don't want to hear that.

00:56:27
OK. Or I don't.

00:56:30
Want to hear that? You know, I don't know, like I

00:56:34
just feel like, why did they do this 'cause if you look at Brian

00:56:38
and Ellen, they're, you know, look at Oh my, well, they're on

00:56:41
my. On yours, they're in the

00:56:43
embrace. And then on yours, she's looking

00:56:46
back at him, he's looking at her.

00:56:47
But on with the other couple, Henry's just like longingly.

00:56:52
And she's going this way, not even looking at him.

00:56:55
And then, I don't know, I think they're telling us something.

00:56:58
Something. But let me look because they

00:57:01
because that the image that you have on your background, they

00:57:05
actually have a second image like that, but it's with Julia

00:57:10
and Henry and then Ellen and Brian are the ones that are

00:57:17
reaching for each other. OK.

00:57:18
Thank you. Yeah, Thank you.

00:57:20
Yeah, I'll do this today because.

00:57:24
That man is broken. That's trauma going on in this

00:57:27
show. Right, because that man I said

00:57:29
they broke him. They broke him.

00:57:32
I when I. Oh my God, that, that is broken

00:57:38
so bad. And then on the other side, you

00:57:40
know, and it's, it's, I think it also is good to show kind of

00:57:45
the, the strengths and weaknesses of of both parties.

00:57:49
Because you see, Julia, she was kind of, they were trying to

00:57:52
break her down while she was giving birth.

00:57:55
And then towards the end, she kind of, she did stand up for

00:57:58
herself. She was basically like, OK, you

00:58:00
know what she was like. If y'all touch my baby, I'm

00:58:02
gonna kill all y'all. I'm just letting y'all know this

00:58:04
now. But she also had somebody with

00:58:08
her. And I think the thing with Henry

00:58:10
is Julia has always been the thing to kind of bring him back

00:58:15
from the brink. And now he's he's finding out

00:58:21
that she's gone from him forever.

00:58:25
And I just, y'all are tearing my heart.

00:58:30
Y'all are tearing my heart out of my body.

00:58:33
And yeah, I I can't take it. I mean, you got him over here

00:58:37
broken thinking he's seeing his wife and and she's not there.

00:58:42
And you got Julia over here giving birth.

00:58:45
She does give birth to the baby. And at first, I thought they

00:58:51
were about to tell us this baby was about to be stillborn.

00:58:53
I was about to be really upset because that baby did not cry

00:58:56
when she gave birth. And Serena had to literally sit

00:58:59
there and wipe him on the back several times to get him to

00:59:03
start breathing. I say if y'all.

00:59:07
I was like, no, we're not about to do this.

00:59:10
He was probably so stressed. That poor baby after all that

00:59:13
craziness, girl. But she gives birth.

00:59:19
She does have a baby. She has a baby boy.

00:59:21
Has not named him yet. I noticed she just called him

00:59:25
baby boy beat him. But this changes everything and.

00:59:33
How he? Actually has because I wasn't

00:59:35
sure. I'm going to be completely

00:59:37
honest with you. I wasn't sure if she will

00:59:41
actually have the baby. Oh, OK.

00:59:43
So that the baby will be alive. OK.

00:59:46
So once he started crying, I said like this changes.

00:59:51
Yeah. Everything and we got to figure

00:59:54
out how this all. And you know what?

00:59:57
We're not going to figure that out probably until the 10th

00:59:59
episode of Season 1 when they finally tell us what this baby's

01:00:02
name is because. Because if they tell it to us

01:00:10
now. We going to be searching.

01:00:13
We going to be searching. We going to be looking because

01:00:16
remember there is a Beecham that shows up in in season 7 of

01:00:21
Outlander who is an English person pretending to be a French

01:00:26
person, remember? Yeah, Lord John did not like

01:00:33
him. Yeah, Mr. Lord John's

01:00:36
stepbrother, not stepbrother, Yeah, yeah.

01:00:40
But yeah, I like, I like that Brian has has basically said,

01:00:49
yeah, your child ain't got to worry about shit.

01:00:52
I'm here. I like these.

01:00:54
I like these friendships that we're seeing between Jamie and

01:00:57
Claire's parents because they're so unexpected.

01:01:00
But again, it's it's just kind of like, like Michelle said,

01:01:04
the, the, the world's an open stage now.

01:01:08
It's like everything can happen. And I'm just, I don't know,

01:01:15
because thinking back to the the prophecy that Maze regay now we

01:01:22
got to figure out, OK, so she was correct.

01:01:24
It was a boy. Now we just got to figure out

01:01:26
how he is important and and who is he that he's going to like

01:01:32
unite all of the clans and all this other stuff.

01:01:36
I'm like, OK, we still have what, 4 episodes for this

01:01:41
season? Yeah, I think, I think we'll

01:01:44
probably find out something. Episode 10.

01:01:50
So I don't know. I don't know, but this episode

01:01:59
was draining. Yeah, it was draining.

01:02:04
I mean in a good way. But it was because again, you

01:02:08
find out Miss, Miss Porter is not as OneNote as it seemed

01:02:16
like. She really is a complex person

01:02:18
and she's had to deal with complex issues dealing with this

01:02:23
whole thing with Lord Lovett and Bryant.

01:02:25
And I, you know, I, I gotta say I, I give it to her because like

01:02:33
I said, he'd have been dead. He'd have been dead.

01:02:36
And then even like, so once Miss Porter kicks all of the the

01:02:46
midwives and everyone out, Lord Lovett is there waiting for the

01:02:53
reverend. And when they tell him they're

01:02:56
like, yeah, Miss Porter gone crazy, She kicked us out.

01:03:01
He's like, OK, well, when you see people you're going to,

01:03:04
you're going to tell them that. Congratulations should be set my

01:03:07
way because I'll have been married and my son will have

01:03:11
been born. My legitimate son will have been

01:03:13
born, whatever. And of course, he comes into the

01:03:17
room. He tries to barge in because

01:03:19
it's just Miss Porter and Julia. Now she is again, she's come to

01:03:23
her senses. She is determined to help Julia

01:03:26
because Julia is basically she's like, look, I'm just trying to

01:03:29
protect my child. I would do whatever I need to do

01:03:33
to protect, take my child, including giving up my own life,

01:03:36
if that's what it comes to. OK.

01:03:39
That's a language Miss Porter can understand.

01:03:41
Yep. So when Lord Lovett tries to

01:03:43
barge in or when he does barge in, he's basically like, OK,

01:03:49
yeah. I don't care if I got to drag

01:03:50
her from the bed. I'm going to marry Julia.

01:03:52
And Miss Porter's like, you ain't about to do nothing.

01:03:54
This baby is already coming. Yep.

01:03:59
And she finally, finally goes off on him.

01:04:08
She's like, whenever you ever cared about doing what's right

01:04:11
by anybody except for yourself. Now, she does get a slap across

01:04:17
the face for it. But you know what?

01:04:18
I think if I was her, I it, it's like Searcy, when Robert slapped

01:04:24
her, she's like, I'll turn the other cheek just for the

01:04:27
satisfaction of having said what I said she caught.

01:04:32
What did she call him? She called him some kind of

01:04:34
name. I don't know, but I was cheering

01:04:39
her on. Because I was like, finally,

01:04:43
somebody is saying it. And I mean, said it to the point

01:04:45
where she scared the reverend. The reverend was like, yeah, I

01:04:48
want no part of this. None.

01:04:51
What did she say? He was like, this child of mine

01:04:54
will be born in wedlock. If I have to drag her from the

01:04:58
bed, my son will be legitimate in the eyes of God.

01:05:02
Is that all it Is that all it takes?

01:05:06
Yeah. Not the fact.

01:05:09
That, you know, yeah, we're nowhere close to married When

01:05:13
when she got with child, but OK. Oh, that's what she said.

01:05:17
You leave us be, you file cantankerous old man, get out.

01:05:22
And of course, Brian, you know, grabs him after he has struck

01:05:25
his mother. But I was just, I felt so much

01:05:28
satisfaction. And she said I was like, finally

01:05:31
somebody like, he's been getting called out this whole episode,

01:05:35
first by Brian, then by Brian's mother.

01:05:37
Now here's the thing. I worry about what's going to

01:05:42
happen to them after this because of course, you know,

01:05:46
emotions are in the air. Julie is about to give birth,

01:05:48
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So once Julie has given birth,

01:05:52
what's going to happen to Miss Porter?

01:05:55
Because she stood, she stood up to the Laird of the house.

01:05:59
So I don't know if he's going to just put her out, if he's going

01:06:04
to take the strap to her or rather take the strap to Brian

01:06:08
because, you know, Brian and Brian didn't let Julian get

01:06:10
beat. He for damn sure ain't about to

01:06:12
let his Mama get beat. And then of course, he already

01:06:16
he gets the strap in this episode because of their, you

01:06:20
know, going against Lord Lovett. But I, I, I worry for her now,

01:06:26
like she's put up with a lot from this man.

01:06:28
She is, she has done a lot, She has dealt with a lot.

01:06:31
And now that she has finally stood up to him, I just, I

01:06:37
wonder what's going to happen because I don't, I don't

01:06:43
remember if they ever mentioned when Brian's mother died.

01:06:49
I don't think she's alive when Brian dies, that much I'm almost

01:06:56
certain of. And I'm pretty sure I don't know

01:07:02
if Jamie ever mentioned that they that they had a

01:07:07
relationship with their grandmother.

01:07:09
So, you know, it just it's one of those things I worry about it

01:07:13
now. Like, OK, So what is he going to

01:07:15
do to her? I hope nothing but that we

01:07:20
already know this man is not he is not just, he is not fair.

01:07:30
So I I don't know. I don't know.

01:07:36
I have feelings. Yeah.

01:07:38
I do like seeing via flashback to Claire's entrance into the

01:07:43
world. You know, we, we do get, we do

01:07:46
get a little glimpse of Claire, baby Claire.

01:07:50
But yeah. Yeah.

01:07:54
Oh no, this. This episode was rough.

01:07:57
All I know, and that's another one.

01:08:00
Another thing. I couldn't have made it back

01:08:04
then. No, I need a hospital.

01:08:09
I need some type of drugs. Oh, I definitely wouldn't have

01:08:12
made it. I had, you know, I've had three

01:08:14
C sections. I've never.

01:08:15
I did too. So I thought about that too.

01:08:17
I'd be like, I'll be one of the ones that like baby didn't

01:08:20
survive, mother didn't survive, right?

01:08:23
However, I felt the first group of pains I I was done before I

01:08:32
got that epidural. I felt that.

01:08:35
I still remember how that felt. I couldn't do that.

01:08:38
The whole entire that's just not.

01:08:41
I'm gonna build that way. Crazy woman shouting yelling.

01:08:44
At you. Yeah.

01:08:45
And I can't touch. No stones or Or even holding

01:08:47
like she did with Henry. Hold on to the bed.

01:08:50
Real you stand. I would have fell out.

01:08:54
Right. Like, hit me, knock me out,

01:08:57
right. So, so clearly I'm not touching

01:09:01
those stones. I can't go back to nobody's past

01:09:04
'cause I wouldn't survive. No, the Bible rating is 10%.

01:09:09
No, but. Oh, OK, so Julie has Julie has

01:09:14
her baby boy. We don't know how his importance

01:09:18
yet. The important boy.

01:09:22
I can't wait for a name. Oh my God, no.

01:09:25
I know poor Henry. Mine is broken.

01:09:30
I think. I think Henry is probably going

01:09:33
to be the tragic figure of this show, though.

01:09:36
I do believe that just because we've already seen him dealing

01:09:41
with PTSD, but to see him go through a like a full mental

01:09:48
break like that, like I, I don't have that kind of experience

01:09:54
with this thing. And I don't know that I know

01:09:58
anybody who was dealt with something like that.

01:10:00
Like, is that something you can come back from, you know?

01:10:05
I think it is, I just, I think it is, it's just they don't have

01:10:09
the means for what he would need like treatment, therapy and

01:10:14
maybe even medication. And you know, 'cause there are

01:10:18
coping mechanisms for for soldiers who have really bad

01:10:22
PTSD that snap, there are coping mechanisms.

01:10:25
I definitely grew up with a a ton of military people who had

01:10:29
been in the war from Vietnam on up and, you know, literally like

01:10:35
waking their wives up in the middle of the night trying to

01:10:37
kill them because they think they're still at war.

01:10:40
And like, one person in particular, they had a code

01:10:45
where anytime he would do that, she would have to yell friendly

01:10:50
forces, friendly forces to jar him out of I'm not the enemy,

01:10:55
don't kill me, you know? And so like that, I don't think

01:10:59
it ever goes away, but I think you can bring him back out of

01:11:04
that. Like how far he's gone, you can

01:11:06
bring him back, but I don't know, in 1700s, how do you bring

01:11:10
him back from that without actually being like Julia, like,

01:11:13
right. Right.

01:11:13
Because I was going to say, I think Julia has a phrase that

01:11:16
she says to him that kind of brings him out of that.

01:11:19
But we've never seen him that far gone.

01:11:23
You know, we've seen him having the flashbacks and everything,

01:11:27
but it's but he's never, he's never done anything to her that

01:11:32
we've seen in his flashbacks. It's always like somebody else

01:11:36
next to him was getting attacked and he's reacting to that or he

01:11:39
was reacting to like some backfire that he heard.

01:11:43
But we've never seen him like this, you know, to the point

01:11:49
where he, he doesn't even recognize where he is.

01:11:53
He thinks he's in his flat in London.

01:11:56
He was, Oh my God, he was so in 19, you know, Yeah. 19171918

01:12:04
because Claire was born in 1918. So yeah, I just, I don't.

01:12:11
And and he's, he's having his breakdown in the background now.

01:12:14
It's just, it's so it's so hard to watch it.

01:12:18
Is hard, especially when he's just crying and he's just on the

01:12:21
ground and his eyes and just. He plays this so well, you know,

01:12:30
But yeah, it's just, yeah, here is I think here is going to be

01:12:36
the character that breaks all of our hearts in this one.

01:12:39
Because even with even with Murta going from happy go lucky

01:12:44
to, you know, old Curmudgeon, we still get to see him.

01:12:49
We do still get to see flashes of that old Murta in him.

01:12:55
So and, and we also grow to love the older Murtha, you know, so

01:13:00
it's like his his story is not a tragic story.

01:13:03
Like, yes, there's some sadness, there's some heartbreak, but

01:13:06
it's not tragic in that sense. Harry's story, like everything

01:13:11
that we know about it so far, we know he's separated from his

01:13:13
daughter. You know, his daughter thinks

01:13:16
he's dead, you know, five years old.

01:13:19
She's left an orphan. We see what's going on here.

01:13:22
He thinks now his wife is dead, his newborn baby is dead, he's

01:13:26
separated from his other daughter, he's in a whole

01:13:29
different time. So whatever other family he had

01:13:32
besides Lamb, everybody's gone. So it's just, I don't know, I

01:13:40
don't want to think about what Dina said earlier about the fact

01:13:42
that they may never see each other again, but it is a strong

01:13:46
possibility that they may never see each other again and.

01:13:50
It's, I don't, I just stop saying that I'm I'm not, I'm

01:13:54
not. And it's so frustrating because

01:13:56
they're so close to each other. Yeah, they're too close.

01:13:59
They are. They're too close.

01:14:00
So they're going to have a run in, but it's just going to have

01:14:03
to bring him back, OK, because he's done.

01:14:07
Yeah. Is his mind gonna be attacked

01:14:08
when he does see her? That he don't think he's seeing

01:14:10
the ghost, you know? He's gonna think he's seeing

01:14:12
that. Yeah, that's the thing.

01:14:13
He don't think he's seeing the ghost.

01:14:15
That to me. Don't do that to me, I.

01:14:18
Don't. It's so hard.

01:14:21
I just didn't see it coming like this.

01:14:23
I mean, I know I did what time period they lived in based on

01:14:27
Claire's birth and and where she came from.

01:14:29
But it's just like now I'm like, hey, what?

01:14:32
These boys filled with nothing but war.

01:14:36
Her time is war. Their time was war.

01:14:38
Jamie's time was war. Yep.

01:14:41
Oh my gosh. Yep.

01:14:45
Yeah. So.

01:14:48
Did we forget? Anything I'm trying to remember.

01:14:52
Was there something else besides that?

01:14:56
That was it was heavy, yeah. Yeah, poor man.

01:15:02
Like his eyes are not focused at all.

01:15:05
And I love the way that they have Julia playing the the the

01:15:08
confused part, you know, because it's like, yes, she looks like

01:15:12
Julia, but it but there's something kind of off about her

01:15:15
as well because she's Julia reacting to a, a, a Henry that's

01:15:20
behaving strangely. But it does almost feel like,

01:15:23
yeah, like that's AAI version or something, a clone or something.

01:15:28
Like it's not her, but OK, so we have what, 4 episodes left for

01:15:35
this season? And then I don't know when the

01:15:37
second season would come out because I think they're still

01:15:41
filming that so but. Probably about the same time

01:15:46
next year. I hope, but you know, I hate to

01:15:50
say it with the stars shows they are one of these networks that

01:15:54
does very long hiatuses. Look, I'm still waiting on P

01:15:59
Valley to come back. So I I don't know, but I I need

01:16:08
them to resolve this thing with Henry before the end of the

01:16:11
first season. Like, I don't want to go into

01:16:13
the second season with him and Julia still separating.

01:16:16
I I need them to get back together.

01:16:18
I mean, I don't know what that would entail for the second

01:16:22
season as far as their story, because, again, we don't know

01:16:25
anything about their story. Yeah, but I don't want to see

01:16:29
them separated for for much longer.

01:16:31
This is. Is yeah, this is it.

01:16:35
Also, you know what, it's also that thing where it reminds me

01:16:38
of like when Claire was on the log number, whatever, she was on

01:16:42
the ether, and they just kept doing that whole Mr. Brown

01:16:45
storyline. They may not be.

01:16:47
Making it out. They may not do that 'cause I

01:16:49
was very vocal about not liking. That shit, I really love that

01:16:53
they gave him the PTSD and they're showing all this, but I

01:16:56
really don't want this to be continued.

01:16:58
Like where he's just constantly in a state of confusion and

01:17:04
they're apart and he can't handle life because he can't be

01:17:06
with his woman or he thinks she's dead.

01:17:08
Like please don't like give me a give me one this episode and

01:17:12
next episode. No, she's not dead.

01:17:13
So he can be happy. I need him to be happy.

01:17:15
Yeah. Because I can't take it.

01:17:20
No, I don't want to be annoyed. But I wonder so.

01:17:23
OK, so this is my question because since the midwives left

01:17:32
and. And the howdy.

01:17:34
They are aware of the questionability.

01:17:42
I'm making that word, the questionability of the Laird's

01:17:45
new sons parentage. I wonder if I wonder if there's

01:17:55
going to be some gossip about the about Lord Lovett's new

01:17:59
child and about the mother of that child, and if that gossip

01:18:05
will make its way to the grant estates.

01:18:08
Hopefully. I feel like it definitely is,

01:18:10
because when he threatened old girl.

01:18:15
Yeah. And I, you better congratulate

01:18:17
me, basically, And you better keep your mouth shut with

01:18:19
anything you think, you know, basically.

01:18:20
You know, I feel like she was like, yeah, OK, yeah, I'm gonna

01:18:25
do that. But then women are.

01:18:27
Also the the the midwife who arch bug paid like right he told

01:18:33
her and basically you know what this means you need to keep your

01:18:36
mouth shut and stuff. But when she left she was

01:18:39
looking at him like this, not sitting right with me.

01:18:41
I have a feeling she's probably going to open her mouth.

01:18:45
'Cause she, yeah, that was so trifling though.

01:18:49
So he can get back to work like you who have lost a child and

01:18:55
know what that pain feels like. You would inflict that on

01:19:00
another man for what? And I don't understand what's so

01:19:04
important about them wanting to keep Henry there at all, to be

01:19:09
honest. It's not like he can't just do

01:19:11
his job and go, you know, right, go about his business.

01:19:14
Right, right. He's that part too.

01:19:19
I'm like, he's not a captor. I'm just confused of why he

01:19:22
can't go about his business Right he's.

01:19:25
Not a slave. Doing his work y'all made more

01:19:27
money than you have made in a very long time with him.

01:19:30
So keep him happy, parts, keep him happy.

01:19:33
Yeah, because at this point you don't you, you want for nothing.

01:19:37
So he ain't collecting rents right now because he just did

01:19:40
that. Yeah.

01:19:41
So he may get enough rents for the next year.

01:19:43
He's going back and forth to make sure the marriage contract

01:19:47
is right. So.

01:19:49
Yeah. Right.

01:19:52
So it's it's like what? And I don't know, maybe it's

01:19:56
just that they're worried that, I don't know, they hired Henry.

01:20:04
Because of his business acumen. And maybe they're worried that

01:20:08
somebody he'll end up going to another clan or, you know, once

01:20:11
he finds his wife, he'll leave, which I can understand them

01:20:15
being worried about that because like you said, they have been

01:20:18
very profitable since he restarted working for them.

01:20:22
But it's like, I it's it's very weird the way they're trying to

01:20:29
keep tabs on him. Yeah.

01:20:31
But again, I, I, I really do think that's just because they

01:20:34
know as soon as he found his wife, he's gone, You know,

01:20:39
because I don't trying to think, I feel like he mentioned, has he

01:20:44
mentioned Claire to the Grants like that, that he has a

01:20:48
daughter. I don't think so.

01:20:51
OK. But also I feel like too like if

01:20:55
he if they think he's going to leave or whatever does that mean

01:21:01
they just can't find another blade or like I just feel like

01:21:04
y'all can find somebody else. Well, I mean, they killed the

01:21:06
last one, and they haven't told anybody else about that.

01:21:10
They're just like, oh, where's the old blade?

01:21:12
Yeah, he left. He's he's no longer with the

01:21:16
company. Right, like he's, he just left,

01:21:19
didn't leave a forwarding address.

01:21:21
Like he may have had friends there.

01:21:24
Nobody knows where this man is. Yeah, sounds not right.

01:21:28
So, yeah, I mean, if, if, if men gossip like women do, and we

01:21:33
know in business matters, they they tend to gossip, at least in

01:21:36
these times. They probably would have been

01:21:38
like, you know, the last bladder kind of disappeared.

01:21:42
Nobody knows where he went. So if Henry ends up leaving,

01:21:45
yeah, they might have a problem filling that position.

01:21:48
Yeah. It's possible but oh OK this is

01:21:54
the part that I forgot. I think it's so sad that Brian

01:21:58
does not know his birthday. I know.

01:22:04
And he was like, yeah, I don't think my mom wanted to, to mark

01:22:10
the occasion because because of his, you know, him being a

01:22:13
bastard. I thought that was so sad.

01:22:16
And I love that Julia gave him the locate with the candle.

01:22:20
And again, I, I really love this, this relationship with him

01:22:25
and Julia. It's kind of like, yeah, I can

01:22:28
understand if it wasn't for Ellen and Henry, I could see a

01:22:33
possible relationship with those two.

01:22:35
But I really do like the kind of, it's almost like a sibling

01:22:40
vibe with them, you know, especially now that Brian knows

01:22:44
that that baby is not his brother.

01:22:46
But still, he was like this child, you know, I will always

01:22:50
be here for this child. I love it too.

01:22:56
He's just so sweet. Like it's a good kind hearted

01:23:01
sweet man. Like, yes, yeah, that's how, you

01:23:04
know, like even if he was born in a shitty situation, you don't

01:23:08
have to be the person that you were born to be in that regard.

01:23:11
Like the people are like, well, this how I was raised, this how

01:23:14
was this? You don't got to be like that.

01:23:17
You choose to be like that 'cause it's easier for you to be

01:23:19
that way 'cause he is literally going against the grain at every

01:23:23
turn. Like the complete opposite of

01:23:26
his father. So yeah, OK, I I, I just need

01:23:35
them to fix Henry. And I'm assuming that with the

01:23:38
next episode, 'cause I have not looked at the, I have not looked

01:23:42
at the previews for the next episode.

01:23:45
So I don't know what's going on. I'm going to assume that we're

01:23:48
going to go back to McKenzie. So, oh, it just came on.

01:23:51
So I see a little bit of Berta and Brian.

01:23:54
So I'm like, oh, what is this about to be?

01:23:56
But yeah, I need some. I need some justice for Murta

01:24:03
and I need some justice for Henry.

01:24:05
I do because if not. I mean, I'm still going to shit

01:24:11
Brian and Ellen, but I do need some justice.

01:24:14
I mean, I do, I get it. I sold it.

01:24:17
It's just that it just didn't. They just didn't handle it the

01:24:22
way they needed to. First of all, let's not even.

01:24:25
Say they because again, Ellen did not know who Merkel.

01:24:28
Was no, no, no, no. Ellen is included in this.

01:24:30
I was about to hit the beginning.

01:24:32
Ellen needs to stop throwing those eyes everywhere.

01:24:36
OK, so when you do go after Brian, people be like, that

01:24:42
makes sense. But when you walk around and

01:24:45
like you, you in love with Malcolm.

01:24:48
So that tells me she a flirter. That tells me that's why

01:24:52
everybody in the village, Warner.

01:24:55
She's just so carefree. Oh, thank you for the pie.

01:24:58
No, thank you. I don't think that's her.

01:25:02
I don't think that's her. I think she's doing this with

01:25:05
Malcolm because I, I really think that what column told her

01:25:10
about what happened to the last person who went against the

01:25:14
Grant, You know, he disappeared into the Heathers, basically.

01:25:18
They killed him. I think that really, really did

01:25:20
scare her. Yeah, it did.

01:25:22
I'm it just goes along with my dialogue.

01:25:25
OK, so she is, but she was she. But she's very convincing.

01:25:31
Let's not get it wrong. Yeah, but it's not where

01:25:34
everybody's just Malcolm. Yeah, but, but because she's so

01:25:38
convincing, I am saying that when she walk around, she treats

01:25:42
everyone very kindly. Like, you know, like this is

01:25:46
cheers. Everyone knows your name and

01:25:48
that's why they just so like her.

01:25:51
You, you get what I'm saying? Like she doesn't, she doesn't

01:25:53
mistreat people. So she goes around with a kind

01:25:55
heart. However, I need her to put that

01:25:58
wall up. OK, then you got Brian over

01:26:01
here. I know this is love and lust,

01:26:06
but that is your friend who has been on your back.

01:26:13
You could have gave him a little bit more respect, just a little

01:26:16
bit tad bit more. OK, Yeah, yeah.

01:26:22
So yeah. Justice for murder.

01:26:25
And let's not get wrong either, Julia is lying.

01:26:33
She put Miss Porter through it. Miss Porter had to get all the

01:26:37
feelings from back in the day to now, which, understandable.

01:26:41
I'm surprised she didn't break. That's a strong.

01:26:47
One what? What's the?

01:26:48
What's the bug? Need to catch a bug.

01:26:53
I know that's right. We already know how his story

01:26:55
is, so I'm not even. Because you just, you literally

01:26:58
just broke a man. You broke the man.

01:27:02
You might as well had just let the two people who who came by,

01:27:06
who didn't know anybody, be the only two midwives.

01:27:10
Yeah. But no, because then he would

01:27:12
have he would have continued searching.

01:27:15
But my thing is So what? And he have a wife, he bring her

01:27:17
to the house and he can still work.

01:27:20
Yeah. See.

01:27:21
That's also true. Look.

01:27:23
That is why your wife got shot. Look, Oh no, I was literally

01:27:30
thinking that that's that was your punishment for being nasty.

01:27:33
That's why Medina got got taken out your nastiness 'cause it was

01:27:39
still in you later on. Yes, that is exactly what I was

01:27:45
just thinking. Sometimes time will come around,

01:27:50
but it don't come when you think it's going to.

01:27:51
Come right? Yeah, but damn, 8090 years

01:27:55
later. You did it did over foolishness

01:27:59
because your wife didn't listen to you.

01:28:01
She had to go and find the gold. If she stayed at home y'all

01:28:05
would have been fine. And she put on his coat, but

01:28:08
that's all. Yeah.

01:28:11
So that's what. So I'm just saying that part.

01:28:14
And then now I feel bad for the the the lady of the night

01:28:21
because she cares. You can tell she kind of care

01:28:24
and like Henry, and even when she was laying there, he like

01:28:29
Julia, 00 and she's like, Oh no. Excuse me honey, in your

01:28:35
profession you are not supposed to be catching feelings.

01:28:38
Yes, but he's so nice. He respected her, he respected

01:28:42
her. If she's another Julia, that

01:28:44
somebody done snatched off the damn St.

01:28:46
'cause she was a lonely Sassenac walking around and they was like

01:28:50
she. Probably was.

01:28:52
She probably was. And The thing is, he was nice,

01:28:55
you know what I'm saying? She had to do something.

01:28:57
He was like, I don't want to do. I have someone I love.

01:29:00
And then when he did come back, he still didn't want to do

01:29:03
anything. He literally just wanted to

01:29:04
sleep. And she hold him.

01:29:08
So then she's like, oh, he's a kind man.

01:29:11
Yeah. So now her feelings.

01:29:14
Kind of like Jane and William. Yeah.

01:29:19
Similar. Very similar.

01:29:20
Very sad. Yeah.

01:29:23
So yeah, yeah, we, we better. We better get better.

01:29:28
Yeah, yeah. We need some justice, we need

01:29:32
some resolution, resolution. And I need the baby's name.

01:29:37
I need to see the first Charlie's name.

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