#outlander #bloodofmyblood Ellen's future hangs in the balance as both of her brothers use her to barter amongst their supporters for the position of Laird of Clan MacKenzie. Julia finds that her growing circumstances may place her in danger. Lord Lovat has concerns about his friendship with the Grants in light of the betrothal news. Ellen uses her brothers' weaknesses to devise a plan to keep Clan MacKenzie intact. After weighing her options, Julia makes a drastic choice to save the life of her child.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle and Dina and we are talking about episode 3 of
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Outlander, Blood of My Blood. And we will start this off
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'cause we started talking about this in the last episode.
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This is why you knock on people's doors.
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This is why you don't barge into people's bedrooms.
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Because if I was Ellen, I'd be mad That dream got interrupted
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too. Like let's finish give events.
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That was like what is happening here?
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Right, right. 'Cause I was like, oh wow, we've
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gotten to this part of the. Yeah, that's why I was like,
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man, we jumped from holding hands.
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Hey, we all in the Meadow. I'm Naked, about to get anybody
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coming by. I mean, what is happening here?
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Yeah, 'cause we know that, you know, having sex in the Meadow
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ain't too good for them folks, 'cause you saw what happened
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when Jamie and Claire tried it the first time.
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But yeah, I was looking at this and I was like, wow, we've got,
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I was like, OK, maybe they're gonna go back and do a flashback
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on there. But I was like, that doesn't
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make sense for Brian and Ellen because that's not how their
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story is going. So and then when he said you
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need to say your daily prayers, I said, oh God damn, this is a
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true. I was mad for her.
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That's not sexy at all, Brian. It's not.
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It's not. I was mad for her.
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I'm like, look, this is a woman who who it is being told she has
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to marry somebody else. So she hadn't been told yet at
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this point. But there's a woman who
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basically everybody is trying to figure out her future for her
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instead of her. She got this one little piece of
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control and it's a dream. That's why when she was like, is
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this real? Was like wait, is this really is
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this a dream? I'll.
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Dream. Oh, anyway.
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But yeah, imagine finding out that you're getting married from
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your hand from your maid servant.
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Yeah. Yeah, that part.
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On the day you're in, you're, you're going to be like, you
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know, it's going to be really announced, but like everybody
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knows because servants always know everybody.
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And not just service, but it's basically like, oh, everybody's
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gossiping. Like, Oh yes, the whole clan is
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so excited at the process. Excuse me, wait a minute.
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First of all, what's happening? And and she should have known
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because when Glenna was saying, oh, is this, does this have
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something to do with, you know, the intentions of a suitor?
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And she was like, what do you mean?
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And this was like, oh, I thought you wouldn't approve.
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I was like, girl, you bout, you bout to tell on yourself.
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You bout to tell on yourself. It was she was just keep quiet.
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You just keep quiet. Right.
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People finish talking. Right, Right.
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Yeah, right. What you mean what everybody
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saying? I understand.
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Oh, I thought you. Wouldn't have heard of.
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It you won't tell my secret, will you?
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And she's like, baby, everybody else knows the secret.
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I'm like, this is and and it's so funny because she really
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does. She really does capture the
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essence of Misses Fitz, like Misses Fitz is the one you know,
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in the main show. She's always the no nonsense
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one, but she will do some gossip.
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So I was like, yeah, this woman, she probably was the one like,
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oh, did you hear? Did you hear?
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I'm gonna be going to the grass or whatever the case may be.
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It's maybe she didn't. But I, I just felt so bad for
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for Ellen in this, in this first part, because you find out that
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you're married, you're getting married.
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Yeah. And then you find out you're
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getting married to a a, a rival clan, and then you find out it's
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the brother that you were the closest to that sold you out.
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Right? Yeah.
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I was like, you know what? I am so, like, I love my period
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shows, but the 1700s machinations, I'm so over it.
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And in this episode in particular, I think the only
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person whose machinations I understood was Julia's at the
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end. I know.
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But even the stuff that was that that pushed her to that point,
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yeah, y'all was pissing me off in this episode.
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I agree and. I was, I knew that was coming.
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I was like. You better make a decision which
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one is going to be Boo, but you got to pick somebody.
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I felt it was going to happen when she was having the
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conversation with Missus Porter. Miss Porter?
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Yeah. And she was like, well, you
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didn't bring down the flowers. And Missus Porter was like, he's
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Lord Lovett son and he knows it. I was like, you just gave her an
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idea. Yep.
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Yep. Which in any other situation,
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I'd be like, girl don't do that. But in this situation, yes, she
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kind of she really don't have a choice.
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Is it? How do you live with yourself?
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You take the drink, you lose your child, and then you meet
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your husband finds you and you're like, oh.
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I know I was pregnant, but I could drink and I can't baby
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because that that that that. I mean, like, which one would he
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be more affected by? I feel like, and not even not
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even just take taking the drink. The fact that Mrs. Porter said,
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well, if you don't do what he's gonna get rid of before you
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talking about Lord Lovett I the No women don't have any bodily
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autonomy in these times, but God damn.
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Yeah, like you. Ever just stole her and now you
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gonna? Kill a baby.
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Right, It's not. And not only that, you sit here
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having a conversation with her about the tea, like, it's
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nothing like, Oh yeah, this is what you're gonna do, blah,
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blah, blah. And I realized that she thinks
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that Julia is from that time. So she's like, OK, well, you
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know what this tea does. But at the same time y'all are
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so nonchalant about this stuff. 'Cause you know why, 'cause she
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probably has done it a few times.
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After Brian, she was probably like not again, never again.
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No more. Yeah.
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Yeah. And probably with some of the
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other girls who may have come through there.
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Yep. But still, the fact that it's
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it's such a commonplace thing that this is the kind of
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conversation you have is just a matter of fact.
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Well, you know, you need to go ahead and get rid of that
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because it's going to, you know, you're a young woman, people are
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going to look at you as unmarried.
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You got a husband that's out there somewhere.
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You may never see him again. You may decide to get married
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again and nobody's going to want another man's bastard child.
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And you know, not only that you don't have a penny to your name
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and this baby is going to hinder you.
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You won't be able to work, speak the world.
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Did y'all even have children in these day and age?
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Because if that's how and those are the options y'all are giving
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people, I wouldn't even try it's.
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Horrible. It's not to mention like the the
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interesting fact of like they were readily available to be
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like drink this tea even even way back when drank this drink
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because we already know this is a bad situation to drink this
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drink. It's so crazy that we've gotten
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to this point where now we're trying to ban.
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We ban it, folks. Yeah, from just from doing it
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safely. But drink this drink back in the
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day like they didn't play. I'm like, they've been doing
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this since the beginning of time.
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Yeah. But if if you even think about
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it, going back to like Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon,
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same thing same thing. Like wow, y'all have the morning
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after pill just readily available for everything.
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But I guess because they knew in those times, sometimes, like
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sometimes you have the chase women who aren't doing anything
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like Ellen until they get married or whatever the case,
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'cause we don't know what she gonna do yet.
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And then sometimes you have the women, like the women do mess
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with. Obviously they have no scruples.
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They just like hey and. They get the drink.
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Yeah, they definitely drinking a drink 'cause that big old man
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definitely putting babies in people.
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The women at the brothel, they drinking the drink.
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Oh, of course. But I mean that that kind of
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comes with the territory. Yep with with them, but you have
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to have it has to be available. Right.
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It's very, you know, got all the herbs there.
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Just wait and got the pot and she was good to go.
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'Cause even the way, even the way Miss Porter tried to bring
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it to Julia, she, you know, she went and got the tea off the
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thing and she was like, Oh yeah, you mix it with the gin, it'll
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taste such and such. And Julia looks at it and she
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was like, so you, you weren't even going to tell her what you
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were going to give her. She just happens to know because
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she's smart and she's like, huh, so you're about to give me this
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now like you really think I need to just like I could be I I
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could not be having my period for any number of things.
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No bitch. You pregnant and we're about to
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fix this. Excuse me.
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Yeah, I'd. And I'm just insane to be
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watching people's cheats to see if they bleed or not.
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That's just insane, that is. Crazy.
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What excuse? What day are you?
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Yeah. And again, I understand it's
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it's the times, it's the attitudes back then.
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And also because we know of Davina Porter's history with
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Lord Lovett, we know she really is trying to look out for Julia.
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But it's just the, I hate the 1700s.
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I do. If it wasn't for these
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characters, I'd be like, no, can we be in another time?
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But I guess that also makes it compelling because they have to
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figure out what they're going to do in these times.
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They don't have the resources of modern anything.
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And Julie is just like, OK, what am I going to do?
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And she's just looking. She's been watched by this one
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guy to make sure that she doesn't do anything out of
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pocket. She's been watched by another
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guy because she knows he wants her and she really doesn't have
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any options. None, but I still was screaming
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no. Yeah.
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First I was like who room is this?
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Please be Brian. Please be.
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I did. I was like, I was, I really was.
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I, I really was. I was like, please, because I
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know he'll say no. So I was like, please, right,
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yes. And then when she moved over.
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You know, I had a brief thought like that, like, oh, let it be
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Brian. It could even be Murta at this
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point. That will be weird though.
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But I was like, it could be. But her getting pregnant by
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either one of those two will not help her situation because all
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Lord Lovett is going to do when he's going to be mad at one of
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the two of them because he has made it very clear to both of
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them that he wants this woman. So how you going to go back and
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sleep with her? Which we going to talk about
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Brian and Murta, but so how you going to go how you going to go
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and sleep with her and then you guys aren't the lair of
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anything. You're living under my roof and
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you're going to get somebody else pregnant and and another
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mouth to feed. So yeah, I I had that little
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hope, but it it diminished. That's a note.
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She going to sleep with the old fox and this is going to be so
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disgusting. I'm so glad they didn't actually
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show us them them doing the D. Although we may see it in the
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next episode. But yeah, that is that that's a
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sex scene. I don't need to see.
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I don't. It's just it's OK.
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The implication is horrible enough.
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It's bad enough we had to see him go to the bathroom.
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Oh my gosh. Not just see, we heard.
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It I know that's that's the worst part right there.
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Oh my God, that was like come on bro.
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And they just sitting there giving him the daily report like
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it ain't nothing like and then she's she's cleaning that toilet
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later. On yes, she is.
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I was just like, you know what? I just, I'm good, right?
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Right. God, thank God we're not from
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that time 'cause I wouldn't survive.
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I've been going to look for Please please I here's all the
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gemstones. Can you take a fake 1?
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I don't care. Just Get Me Out of here.
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I can't. I can't.
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And I know some of it. When we see some of the stuff,
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it looks romantic, but the practical stuff, even even in
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the later times when Claire and Brianna are there, you know
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they're there from like the mid 1700s or Claire is at least.
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And then going into the 1800s, it's still not much better.
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Little bit, but not much. I mean, just come on.
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I just like plumbing. Like there is just nothing like
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plumbing. I'm sorry that I don't know.
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I love player and. I fart.
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Right. I'm like, you know, they, they
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chose to, she chose to be back there with, with Jamie, 'cause I
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guess he can't travel forward. But like, did you even try?
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Because it might be better in the future.
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I mean, would you leave Jamie? Let's be honest.
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No, I mean, I'm saying why did they try to see if they gave him
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some jewels and see if he could get back?
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I'm like, try to force him to go through.
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You got some Mackenzie blood. Well.
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You know, he he touched the stones the first time he he
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slipped her back. He.
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Did and nothing happened. And nothing happened.
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So, yeah, just nothing. He doesn't and he doesn't hear
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the buzzing and all that other stuff.
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So yeah, he, he can see the future, which is interesting,
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but let's not go, let's not go into that.
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We'll be in a whole different conversation.
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OK, so since we've already mentioned them, let's talk about
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Brian and Mercer because I I haven't got I I was trying to
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figure out, and I can't remember if they mentioned this in the
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first episode when Myrtle was talking to Brian about the woman
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that he had interest in. Did he ever mention Ellen
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McKenzie name? Because I don't think he did.
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He did. In the first, in the beginning,
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he said how beautiful. I think he said how beautiful
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she was and, and that he but I well, you know what he might not
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have said specifically? I thought he did, I think.
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No, I think he was talking to his aunt.
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I think he was talking to Mrs. Fitz when he said that.
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But I thought when they were at the little whatever log or
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whatever they were sitting on in the beginning, I thought they
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were talking about that's like he had a last, but maybe he
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never said her name. I see.
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That's the thing. I don't think he said her name.
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So it's like, on the one hand, if Brian met, when Brian met
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Ellen, I don't think he was actually, you know, he wasn't
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actually looking for love connection, and neither was she.
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It just happened to be, you know, they were both hiding out.
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And I think that's probably what drew her to him because again,
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she has all these peoples, you know, all of these men coming
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after her and then she sees this guy that's hiding out and maybe
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she was like, oh, this person probably understands how I feel.
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And that's how the connection started.
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But then once you realize that this is the woman that Murtha
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has his heart set on. Granted, Murtha ain't spoke a
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word to her, so she don't even know he exists.
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But still, this is your best friend.
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This is your cousin. It is, and that's why I also
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have two face for that too. Because you literally, you know
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how he feels, how devastated he was to hear that she is
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betrothed to someone else. Yeah.
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And then when you go in to get her out of getting married, he
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thinking you helping him. Can you please tell him what's
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happening? So now I have mad respect for
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myself. Mad respect 'cause then.
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You get so grumpy, right? It is fooling with them.
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You found it? Yeah.
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Fooling with them, yeah. And he still, you know, was
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there for Jamie fooling with them.
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That part don't. Save them, because like I said,
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Ellen, at this point she don't even know Mercer exists.
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That's true. That's true.
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I mean, it's true. But this is all Brian like and I
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understand Brian is. Wrong.
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You're in a you're in a weird place because you've fallen in
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love with this woman before. You knew that that was the woman
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that he was in love with. So now it would be kind of, I
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know it'll be awkward, but it's going to be even more awkward
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once he finds out because I think Murtha finds out by
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accident because you kind of see one of the scenes in the promos
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leading up to the show premiere, you know, I think he sees them
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kissing and he's like behind the tree.
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I was like, oh, please tell me that is not how he found out.
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But yeah, it looks like that's going to be how he finds out.
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And. But he gets back to be the
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family friend, so somehow he forgives them well.
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You know what they say, Bros before holes.
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I guess he's like. You know, I mean to be fair, he
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knows Brian is a stand up guy. You know he gonna be mad at him
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for a little bit, but he know that's his brother.
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He should have said something. I mean like you should have.
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Said he totally as soon as he realized that he was crying over
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Ellen. Yeah, he should have been like,
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bro, she not interested in even that guy or anybody but me.
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It's me. Yeah, it's me.
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It's me, right? But that, that whole thing,
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everything about that was just so uncomfortable because it's
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like, you know, Brian doesn't want to hurt Mercer, but at the
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same time he was like, dude. You weren't going to get her no
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way either way, so it's not really a problem.
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Because even even if she didn't meet Brian.
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Even if their paths never crossed, I don't think I see her
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being with Merta the way Merta is now because Merta is too shy.
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Like, he doesn't even have the courage to to come and speak to
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her. And Ellen is very outspoken.
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I mean, we learned that even more in this episode.
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Very outspoken. She doesn't.
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She doesn't really pull punches. Yeah.
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I just, I don't know if I could see her and Merta being
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together, not this iteration of them.
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And then even thinking about what they could have been future
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wise. I just don't see it happening
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because Ellen is too headstrong of a woman for Murtha.
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Even you know, future Murtha because Murtha was looking at
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Claire. Like you don't act like a proper
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woman. You need to be quiet.
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You need to sit down when you're told blah blah blah.
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I that just, I don't think that would have worked with Ellen.
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Now, he may have come around and changed his mind, but Nah, it's
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so uncomfortable and I'm just dreading, yeah, what's going to
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happen when he finds out. Me too.
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Like either fight 'cause he looks like the type that might
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fight. I mean, we know he has a temper
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too, but I just I. Mean like one of the.
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Biggest thing? Yeah, yeah.
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One of the biggest things he could do to him though is tell
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his dad that he's into a Mackenzie though.
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And I don't think I, I don't think no matter how mad Merton
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will be, I don't think he would do that.
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I hope not. No, because because he, Lord
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Lovett, would probably kill Brian for that.
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I mean, you see, just the way he's, he's talking about the
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Mackenzie's when they come back and give him, you know, their
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report about everything that happened during the funeral and
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the gathering and stuff. And they're like, yeah, this,
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that and the other. Oh yeah, they're going to patrol
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her to Malcolm Grant. He was like, uh, uh, he was like
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Isaac Grant. That's my boy.
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So if they become allies, then the Mckenzie's are going to turn
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him against me and then I'm going to be further along.
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We can't let that happen. He was like, no, I'm about to
00:21:24
spread the word to everybody that she a hoe.
00:21:28
Everybody look, everybody. Damage her reputation.
00:21:32
You know, he was like, if they, if they were worried about
00:21:35
reputations, they would have thought about that before they
00:21:37
sucked me in mind. So whatever.
00:21:40
Fair, you know, fair game. He ain't like somebody really
00:21:44
did something to him, but I feel like it it was all true, no.
00:21:51
I mean, we don't even know. Like we don't even really know
00:21:54
what happened with him. Like why did he lose his there?
00:21:59
No, we don't. His other castle why did he lose
00:22:02
his standing? Like I mean, I can probably
00:22:04
venture against because he does 1.
00:22:07
He doesn't seem like he's very. Say it.
00:22:13
He doesn't seem like he's very shrewd in business matters,
00:22:16
Like, Oh, no, he's more so He's holding on to his anger so much.
00:22:22
And all we hear him talk about is like the reputation and they
00:22:26
did this, They did that. We don't hear him talk about
00:22:29
anything having to do with the running of his household.
00:22:33
And not only that, your son has already mentioned, hey, the
00:22:36
house is falling apart. We're broke.
00:22:38
There's nothing in the coffers. We need to go get the money from
00:22:41
the people that owe you instead of taking this woman who
00:22:45
obviously should not be here. So, yeah, I I know there has to
00:22:51
be more to it. Maybe we'll get that story
00:22:55
further on in the episode. But yeah, I kind of want to know
00:22:57
that. Like, what did Lord Lovett do to
00:22:59
lose his standing, to lose his position and to become the the
00:23:04
fractured, the old man that he became?
00:23:07
I mean, he didn't have too far to go.
00:23:09
But yeah, he didn't. He didn't.
00:23:15
But he also, I was going to say, he also doesn't seem like he's
00:23:23
always in a bad mood when we see him.
00:23:27
You know, he's in anytime the Mackenzie's is mentioned, yes,
00:23:30
he's going off, he's going to run off at the mouth.
00:23:33
But like, there are moments that we see him where it's just kind
00:23:37
of quiet reflection, a little creepy because he's sitting
00:23:42
there watching Julia, you know, while she's cleaning.
00:23:45
And again, here comes Missus Porter.
00:23:47
Come on, Julia. We have to go to the kitchen.
00:23:49
And he sees her come in the room and he dips out.
00:23:54
So I don't know. She don't put a hex on him.
00:23:56
And he's like, I'm not fucking with this one.
00:23:58
Yeah, it's something he he, he scared.
00:24:00
Her something? Yeah, because if our suspicions
00:24:04
are correct, he raped her when she was a child and she had
00:24:09
Bryant. Now, any other, any other person
00:24:14
of no, in this type of time period that we've seen other
00:24:18
shows, he wouldn't give her that kind of respect.
00:24:21
He'll just be like, OK, whatever, you're the mother of
00:24:23
my child. But that gives you no
00:24:26
privileges. That gives you no, you know,
00:24:29
special attention. But he really does kind of act
00:24:33
like something about her disturbs him.
00:24:37
I don't know if it's that he feels guilty because he doesn't
00:24:41
seem like the type that would feel guilty.
00:24:45
But I, I don't know, he looks at her and could be because she's
00:24:50
raising Brian in that house. And maybe there's a small part
00:24:55
of him that's like, OK, I don't want my son to see me treat his
00:24:58
mother like this. But again, he doesn't seem like
00:25:01
that type that would actually care about this.
00:25:04
I don't know what the story is, I feel.
00:25:06
Like, I think it's what you said that he, she got some, he thinks
00:25:09
she got some powers. Cause yeah, even when Julia was
00:25:12
like Miss Porter calling me, he backed away.
00:25:15
Like, yeah, he's like, OK, OK. Right.
00:25:20
Even when he realized she was lying.
00:25:23
Right. Oh, I thought I heard.
00:25:25
Her Oh, I must have been hearing some things.
00:25:27
He was like, OK, any other man would have gone off.
00:25:31
Oh, you're lying to me, you're blah blah.
00:25:34
No, anything that has to do with Miss Porter.
00:25:36
He's just like OK, so yeah, I want to know that back story.
00:25:43
But again, I want to know what's what happened with him and why
00:25:47
it like what started the whole few with him and the Mckenzie's.
00:25:51
And I know it's all clan stuff and has to do with like
00:25:55
properties and all that other stuff, but I don't know.
00:25:58
He just seems very particularly aggrieved by them.
00:26:06
Yeah, I feel like maybe it has something to do with maybe like
00:26:12
Red, like the wife, maybe Red Jacob's wife and him might have
00:26:16
had a thing and then he did something.
00:26:18
Red Jacob wanted the wife and, you know, and then made him into
00:26:22
whatever. So yeah, what he wanted 'cause
00:26:25
I, I, they're basically the same.
00:26:26
Cause Ella's basically about the same age as Brian, right?
00:26:29
But maybe 20 something, right? Yeah.
00:26:31
Or whatever age they're supposed to be.
00:26:33
And so I feel like maybe it has something to do with him, 'cause
00:26:36
I always don't want me. Yeah, that's, that is true.
00:26:38
That is true. Just it could be.
00:26:44
Men are so simple sometimes. This is Yeah, they are and, and
00:26:48
petty and petty and petty. Yeah.
00:26:51
So Speaking of petty, let's move on to the next petty bunch.
00:26:55
I don't even know where I want to go because there is so much
00:26:58
pettiness in this episode. Yes, probably.
00:27:01
OK, so let's go ahead and talk about this 'cause we all said
00:27:05
something about this before we started recording.
00:27:07
Let's talk about column, OK, because column is very.
00:27:15
I'm starting to look at him as a little bit more complex than,
00:27:19
you know, I mean, he's always been complex and we've always
00:27:22
kind of known that there was more beyond the surface of his
00:27:26
character. But seeing his character in this
00:27:29
episode, like we get to see him a little bit before his
00:27:32
accident, then we get to see the aftermath of the accident.
00:27:36
And then of course, now we're seeing present day when he is
00:27:39
vying for this spot as lair column is a bit of an asshole.
00:27:46
But he comes by that very honestly, because we see in this
00:27:52
episode more than I think any of the the first two or the even
00:27:57
the the very first episode read Jacob for all of his doting on
00:28:02
his daughter and his non traditionalist views when it
00:28:08
comes to his daughter. He treats his sons like shit.
00:28:15
Yeah, he does. And it's it's almost like, I
00:28:22
know with Ellen being the oldest, she's not the male, but
00:28:27
he obviously doted on her, said pretty much that he would have,
00:28:32
you know, she had been born a boy.
00:28:33
She could have been lair. OK.
00:28:35
I think for someone like him, that's probably the highest
00:28:38
level of respect you can give a person.
00:28:40
And she knows that he values her.
00:28:43
She says it. She even tells column.
00:28:45
Then column has to come back and like, oh, you really thought you
00:28:48
was giving him counsel. You know, he was just humoring
00:28:50
you. I was like, Nah, that sounds a
00:28:52
little bit like jealousy column and come see what happened with
00:28:57
the what was they call it the hunt, the school, school of the
00:29:02
moon. I think that's what they call
00:29:05
it. And this is where the Klansmen
00:29:10
basically send their sons out to raid cattle from another clan.
00:29:17
And if they can do it quietly and without getting caught, it
00:29:21
kind of shows what type of leader they would be.
00:29:25
And so Red Jacob was using this opportunity for Column to be
00:29:29
able to show that he had what it took to lead the clan.
00:29:34
However, as things go when, like you said, when Column and Dougal
00:29:38
are together, things go to shite.
00:29:40
That was funny. I'm.
00:29:41
Sorry, they end up bringing Column back and he has no use of
00:29:47
his legs because his horse threw him.
00:29:49
Because instead of following the plan and going where they were
00:29:52
supposed to go, Dougal decided, no, we're gonna go raise the
00:29:55
McDonald's and most of the Klansmen that were with them.
00:30:00
Let let me not say Klansmen. That sounds so, that sounds so
00:30:04
weird. But most of the other members of
00:30:08
the clan, they ended up following Dougal.
00:30:11
And then as column says later on, the McDonald's caught them,
00:30:15
rang the bell, started coming out to fight them and Columns
00:30:19
horse was startled, threw him off and it damaged his legs.
00:30:24
He broke his leg and you know, read Jacob.
00:30:29
His reaction to that was so not only horrible, but it's like you
00:30:39
had no feeling at all for the fact that your son is was hurt.
00:30:46
Yeah. And it wasn't his fault.
00:30:48
It wasn't like he did something stupid.
00:30:50
He was literally doing what you told him to do.
00:30:52
Yeah, And your other son caused him to be harmed.
00:30:56
Well, he didn't. Find this out until later.
00:30:58
Because but even once he found out he was mad at doing black,
00:31:02
he still treated column badly. Yeah, he did, because he was
00:31:06
still in bed recovering and you know, he.
00:31:09
Gonna get about that bed, dude. Like, I broke your leg.
00:31:15
It's not like I just twisted my ankle.
00:31:17
My leg was broke. And then for you to leave the
00:31:21
way that you did, first you insult the boy, basically make
00:31:26
him feel like he would have been better off dead.
00:31:29
That's the vibe I got. But then you walk away from the
00:31:33
room. You hear your son calling after
00:31:35
you, coming after you and his injured self.
00:31:39
And as soon as I saw the top of the steps, I was just like,
00:31:44
yeah, that's what did it. Because of course, he does
00:31:48
tumble down the stairs. He breaks his leg even more to
00:31:51
the part where the bone is sticking out.
00:31:55
And his only response to Ellen when she follows is take your
00:31:59
brother back to his bed. So then at that point, then I
00:32:07
start realizing that he only treated come that way.
00:32:15
He didn't treat Dougal that way 'cause he was a little bit more
00:32:18
stronger, so he had a little bit more respect.
00:32:20
He just know that he was just sometimes don't follow
00:32:23
directions. I and that's what I was gonna
00:32:26
say. I don't think it was a respect
00:32:28
for Dougal. I think he treated Dougal
00:32:30
differently because he expected Dougal to do something stupid,
00:32:33
right? But I think he knew that he was
00:32:35
strong. You see him saying that he would
00:32:38
he could take care of himself. I think it's calm, just weak.
00:32:43
Just the weaker kid. Yeah.
00:32:46
So he took that out on him. But then he lost.
00:32:49
But he has a little bit of respect.
00:32:52
But he lost it and realized he can be that dude can be layered.
00:32:55
Because you brain blame Joe brother.
00:32:59
Yeah. And also like.
00:33:02
Choices you made. He had a girl first, then he had
00:33:05
a son that was a weakling. So he was just angry that like,
00:33:09
it wasn't lining up the way he wanted to line up, you know, and
00:33:13
then, you know. And then you have Dougal come,
00:33:15
come around and this is something that this is the thing
00:33:19
with Dougal that we saw even in the main show when it came to
00:33:22
him and call him when it comes to him and Jamie, when it comes
00:33:26
to him and Claire Dougal stuff. Yes, he claims that he's for the
00:33:30
clan, for the clan, but he always had his own personal
00:33:33
agenda on the side, you know, And that's something that Ellen
00:33:38
tells him when she confronts him with this.
00:33:40
She was like, look, you screwed up everything during School of
00:33:45
the Moon, she said, because that was when Dai realized that you
00:33:49
weren't fit to leave because you're always selfish.
00:33:53
You're never going to put the clan above your own selfish
00:33:56
needs. And so, I mean, you go back to
00:34:03
the first episode when Jacob is talking to Ellen.
00:34:06
He was like 1's a cripple and one is, you know.
00:34:10
One can't think. One can't think like column.
00:34:14
Column obviously does have a mind to strategize.
00:34:18
He does know how to look at certain things, but also he's
00:34:23
also small minded and in a sense, because he's only looking
00:34:27
at things from a certain point of view, it doesn't matter how
00:34:31
it's going to affect anybody else.
00:34:33
You're just looking at OK, clan, clan, clan, but you're not
00:34:36
thinking about the outside factors, which is what Ellen
00:34:39
points out when she has her conversation with him.
00:34:42
She was like, OK, yes, so you and do are sitting here fighting
00:34:46
at each other. And while you're doing that,
00:34:50
McKinney is going around getting supporters.
00:34:53
Yep. So instead of having the
00:34:55
combined pool of supporters that you would have under the
00:35:00
McKenzie clan, now you've divided everyone and McKinney is
00:35:05
just like oh OK, I'm going to be able to step in here and then
00:35:09
you're doing the dumb stuff. Column gives.
00:35:13
He gives his word that Ellen is going to be patrol to Malcolm
00:35:18
Grant if they back him. And then Dougal has this
00:35:22
reassuring conversation with with Ellen.
00:35:25
Like yeah, he's doing this and he doesn't even have the right
00:35:28
to do this 'cause he's not there.
00:35:30
And then not 2 minutes later you doing.
00:35:35
It you doing it you. Promising her to someone who is
00:35:39
a Jacobite because you want the Jacobites to to fall behind you.
00:35:44
Because apparently Red Jacob was also a staunch Jacobite
00:35:47
supporter. I was just like, you know what?
00:35:52
The fact that they just won, they just playing with her life
00:35:56
and and and telling her like, oh, this is your lot of life,
00:36:00
you have to deal with this. Like with column.
00:36:02
She was like, we used to be close.
00:36:04
Why are you doing this to me? He was like, look, you just need
00:36:08
to be doing what's best for the clan.
00:36:09
He was like, yeah, I'm we're all we're responsible for.
00:36:13
For your whole level of comfort that you've grown accustomed to
00:36:16
living to. That's hard to say.
00:36:19
You didn't even you didn't even earn any of this.
00:36:22
No, like your daddy died not not even naming an heir because
00:36:31
neither one of y'all were up to par neither one.
00:36:34
I have this attitude like it's you and you're going to make the
00:36:39
best decisions, and that includes whatever decisions you
00:36:42
make for Ellen. Yeah, Column was getting on my
00:36:44
nerves in this one, but I'm going to tell you somebody else
00:36:47
Petty that was getting on my nerves.
00:36:48
I should have known it. The pasta.
00:36:51
Oh, Jacosta. Jacosta.
00:36:56
This. Shit is sitting there.
00:36:59
She's giving Ellen the news about oh, yeah, so Dougal,
00:37:02
Dougal promised you to make Rana, blah, blah, blah, blah,
00:37:04
blah. And the way that she's saying it
00:37:07
to her is almost like, yeah, you thought you were going to get
00:37:09
out of this, but yeah, you going to, you going to have to come
00:37:12
down here in the slums with us. Like, why are you happy about
00:37:16
this? I get jealousy, but it's just
00:37:19
the way that she says things. And this was even with older
00:37:23
Jacosta when it came to like Brianna and Rodger and some of
00:37:27
the machinations that she did use a use a conniving little
00:37:32
wench. And I just loved watching her
00:37:39
realization of everything just kind of unfold when they had the
00:37:44
gathering and they realized, oh, Ellen, you was the one who
00:37:48
orchestrated this. Her face was so salty.
00:37:51
And I was just like, Yep, drink it in, drink it in.
00:37:54
She. Learned a lot.
00:37:59
But I'm glad, I'm glad they have the other sister Janet.
00:38:02
Cause Janet was like, is this your brainstorm?
00:38:04
Like, did you do this? She was like, no, I think Ned
00:38:07
was the one who, you know, confirmed the legality.
00:38:09
She was like, nice work. So you see, Janet has the
00:38:14
respect for her. She was like, I think, you know,
00:38:16
in a way, she probably respects the fact that Ellen has been
00:38:19
able to control her own narrative up to this point.
00:38:25
She wasn't forced to marry. She wasn't forced to do this,
00:38:29
you know, and I think she respects her, but on the same at
00:38:32
the same time, that's why Jacosta is so jealous of her for
00:38:36
the same reason. But I tell you then Mackenzie's
00:38:40
they they they's a petty bunch. I just need to know to know what
00:38:45
the Mama was like. That's what I need.
00:38:51
I need to know what the Mama was like.
00:38:54
Yeah, that would be, yeah. Because that I do find it
00:38:59
interesting that they don't show any flashbacks for her in it at
00:39:02
all at all. Like, you know, so I wonder what
00:39:05
to how like how far back did she die?
00:39:07
Cause yeah, so they had to been. Well, whatever old.
00:39:13
The the whatever that the the school of the moon stuff she
00:39:17
must. So she was gone before then.
00:39:19
But then how far before that was she gone?
00:39:22
She probably. She OK, knowing what we know
00:39:28
about this time and a lot of the stories that we hear associated
00:39:32
with this, with this particular story, these characters, chances
00:39:36
are she died in childbirth. Because I know I did see that
00:39:40
they, they have more than five children, but I, I only paid
00:39:45
attention to the to the ones that we see in the show.
00:39:48
So I didn't go back and look at the history of any other
00:39:51
children. But she probably died in
00:39:53
childbirth, probably while they were all still very young
00:39:57
because they don't even really mention her, I think.
00:40:00
And Jacob mentioned her once and then that's, that's it.
00:40:07
But yeah, so I just, I, I don't know, I mean, maybe.
00:40:11
Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because I'm like, OK, I wonder
00:40:14
if it would have mattered if she was alive if he would have
00:40:18
treated them differently. But no, because most of the men
00:40:21
in this time, they are assholes to their children and that's
00:40:25
girls or boys. But I mean, we don't even in the
00:40:30
flashbacks that we've seen, and I understand we're seeing
00:40:32
Ellen's flashbacks, but we don't get any kind of sense of any
00:40:36
relationship that he had with Jacosta and Janet.
00:40:40
And, and it could be that it's because the mom is gone and
00:40:43
maybe she reminds him of his wife and that's why they have
00:40:49
'cause you gonna. That tends to happen, right?
00:40:52
So if the if mom was sitting around, he may not have the same
00:40:57
relationship. Yeah, with her, yeah, that is
00:41:04
true. And I also wonder because
00:41:06
they're so obsessed with heirs and stuff like that is like he
00:41:09
he fell in love with his first child because it was his first
00:41:12
child and then Ellen was like the wife or whatever then.
00:41:15
But then he might not have had really any relationship with any
00:41:18
other kids really after, you know, because they maybe he just
00:41:21
wasn't like all he really cared about was an heir.
00:41:23
And once there was an airborne, which would have been what
00:41:25
column, right? He probably was just like, OK,
00:41:28
there's my heir. This is this, but this is my
00:41:30
favorite because she's my first. And then he probably just was
00:41:33
like F them kids until Colin got hurt and then he was like oh
00:41:40
wait, thank God I got another son, you know what I mean?
00:41:42
But like I feel like he probably just didn't even care about any
00:41:45
of them. But you know, you, you, you
00:41:47
notice that with most of these families, like in these older
00:41:50
times, even even a little bit later, but still old.
00:41:54
I'm and I'm thinking specifically about the tutors
00:41:57
because the tutors, like clips of that show have been showing
00:42:01
up in my Facebook feed for like the last three weeks.
00:42:03
I'm like, I just did a rewatch. I don't need to do another one,
00:42:06
but maybe I do. But even with that, the way that
00:42:09
King Henry treated Lady Mary, you know, she was and of course
00:42:14
that's probably different because she they're royalty.
00:42:17
But in Scotland, the layers are almost like royalty in a sense.
00:42:23
So it's kind of like, you know, you, you don't really have hands
00:42:28
on experience with bringing them up.
00:42:32
And then of course, you know, Henry the Eighth, you know,
00:42:34
every time he got a new wife, he just kind of demoted his
00:42:37
children. So but you know, it's just they
00:42:42
don't do their children like they do here or, or in this
00:42:47
time. You know, it.
00:42:48
It really is about the air. It really is about legacy.
00:42:54
And, you know, that's kind of sad because, OK, we talk about
00:42:59
this all the time. These characters need some
00:43:01
therapy. They need some therapy because
00:43:05
they have been treated shitty their entire lives just because
00:43:08
what? You wasn't the first.
00:43:10
You're a boy, but you weren't the first born or, you know,
00:43:13
but. But then again, this is also in
00:43:15
the same time when women were being blamed for that.
00:43:19
Yes. So.
00:43:20
Yeah, but yeah, I'm we're not going to linger too much longer
00:43:24
on them. But they're petty.
00:43:27
They're petty. But Ellen, she's she's going on
00:43:32
her her fact finding mission. She's finding out the stuff
00:43:36
about column, She's finding out the stuff about Dougal, she's
00:43:38
finding out about McKinney. And her brain is working.
00:43:42
And she was like, OK, there has to be something in this to where
00:43:47
we can turn it around. And so she has her conversations
00:43:50
with both her brothers, kind of pointing out their weaknesses.
00:43:53
And then, you know, I, I kind of felt in a sense, I, I felt a
00:43:59
little bit sorry for column when she was like, I was the one that
00:44:04
took care of you, Like, your body was broken and I took care
00:44:07
of you. And this is how you repay me.
00:44:09
What? Are you doing?
00:44:12
Right. But you know what I feel like
00:44:18
column in a sense is making up. I, I feel like he's trying to be
00:44:23
the the type of person that his father would have wanted him to
00:44:26
be. Which dude, he's there.
00:44:30
I mean, by your own admission, your father's dead.
00:44:33
His word is there. Why are you worried about that
00:44:35
now? But I guess if you're, if you're
00:44:38
looking at the other people in the clan who are about to make
00:44:42
this decision on who to be layered, they can't look at you
00:44:46
as as a weakling. They can't look at you as, as
00:44:49
you know, he says, a cripple. They have to know that you're
00:44:52
going to be able to leave. Yeah.
00:44:55
Which is that's part of me, I feel is that he wants to make
00:44:59
sure that however his dad was seen, even though people clearly
00:45:02
didn't like him because Ned's like you wouldn't.
00:45:04
Really like your daddy but. You know, I guess they respected
00:45:07
him and like he wants to make sure that he's doing what his
00:45:12
his dad would have done to hold the clan.
00:45:14
And he's so he I think he feels like being, being shrewd and
00:45:20
being, you know, how, how Red Jacob did everything.
00:45:25
So this is what I need to do as well.
00:45:27
And you know, and as long as I I think things through, unlike
00:45:31
Dougal, you know, it should be OK.
00:45:33
But like, Red, Jacob clearly wasn't the best either because
00:45:36
like, what the hell, said people.
00:45:37
People didn't like him so. But you know, sometimes with
00:45:42
with people in that kind of power, their whole thing is you
00:45:45
don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.
00:45:48
You know, I am the leader. You are going to do what I tell
00:45:51
you do for the betterment of the clan.
00:45:54
And that's probably what it was. Yeah.
00:45:57
So because because you always talk, you always hear them talk
00:46:00
about how much they respected, whether they call them Sheamus,
00:46:07
Sheamus Red or something like that.
00:46:10
We we respected him y'all didn't like him OK, that's cool 'cause
00:46:15
it seemed like nobody else really liked him except for his
00:46:18
oldest daughter. His oldest daughter.
00:46:21
He's the only person the. Only one.
00:46:24
Right. His only friend.
00:46:27
And maybe Ned Gowen. Yeah, but even, I feel like even
00:46:32
Ned probably, you know, he did a lot of his stuff out of loyalty,
00:46:36
but not necessarily because he liked him.
00:46:38
He just, you know, it was his job.
00:46:41
And apparently they will murder you if you don't do your job as
00:46:45
a bladier or whatever. So Ned was probably like, I'm
00:46:49
still alive, I still got my job. Right, right.
00:46:55
But his frustration was it. It was so funny because when he
00:47:00
sits down and talks to Ellen, he was just like, yeah, you know,
00:47:04
what did she say? She said, I know you had to do
00:47:06
what column, you know, told you to do as far as the the Grant
00:47:10
patrol, though, she was like, so if Dougal becomes Laird, are you
00:47:14
going to make sure that his word is kept in marrying me to make
00:47:19
Randic? He was like, dammit, these two
00:47:22
like, I don't know what to do. I keep telling them that they
00:47:26
need to come to an accord. They need to figure something
00:47:29
out and they don't want to do it.
00:47:30
They don't want to, you know, they don't want to cede power to
00:47:34
the other one, which again, I kind of understand this is an
00:47:39
important thing. You know, that is more important
00:47:41
than obviously them being his sons.
00:47:44
You know, is, is who's going to succeed him?
00:47:47
Who's going to lead the clan? But then when she comes up with
00:47:50
her plan, it's actually kind of brilliant because she's the one
00:47:56
who says, OK, Column has the smarts.
00:48:01
He can lead the clan. He has the temperament.
00:48:04
More importantly, Dougal on the other hand, does not have the
00:48:08
temperate the the temperament to lead, but he does has the
00:48:12
temperament for war. If war comes, column obviously
00:48:17
can't fight. Dougal obviously will do nothing
00:48:21
but fight. So hey, let's do this happy
00:48:24
little medium. Column can be layered.
00:48:27
Dougal can be war chief. And they did charge to each
00:48:31
other in those matters. And you could tell Dougal was
00:48:35
even, even while they were there, you could tell he was
00:48:38
just bristling. He was like, I cannot believe
00:48:41
I'm letting this dude be lair. And then he's looking around at
00:48:45
everybody else and McKinney is there, like, ready to jump on
00:48:50
it. And I think that's what God do,
00:48:52
going to be like, OK, you know what?
00:48:54
Yeah, let me put on this performance and let me let
00:48:58
everybody know that Clan McKenzie comes first.
00:49:04
You know, we can bicker whatever behind closed doors, but right
00:49:08
now we're going to put on the United front, basically.
00:49:12
And it worked because McKinney was like, hold up.
00:49:16
Can we do this? Can we even do?
00:49:19
This. And that gal is like, yeah,
00:49:22
that's, that's a president. There's a president.
00:49:26
Like we can do this. I I researched it before we
00:49:30
decided to put on this little dog and pony show, and then
00:49:33
everybody started pledging their oath.
00:49:36
Veterinary fealty, which is that's such a cool like
00:49:40
experience like that whole. The whole ceremony, the whole
00:49:44
ceremony of it all. I, I like it and I, I really
00:49:47
like to end the original show as well.
00:49:49
So, so that's how we get columnist lair Douglas War
00:49:54
Chief. Now, where that leaves Ellen
00:49:58
with her two betrothals, I don't know.
00:50:01
But when she when she got there and she was talking to Malcolm
00:50:05
Grant, I know that she was being very specific because he was
00:50:09
like, and the arrangement is to your liking.
00:50:11
She was like, I couldn't have wished for anything better.
00:50:14
She wasn't talking about the betrothal.
00:50:15
She was talking about her brothers, right?
00:50:20
Because now what are you going to do?
00:50:24
Are you going to go one way? Are you going to go the other?
00:50:27
Are you going to be like, OK, we can't keep the word.
00:50:29
We're just going to let her do what she do.
00:50:31
Because here's the thing, you know, they had to figure out,
00:50:36
especially with the way she was pacing up at the top, like on on
00:50:40
the every word trying to figure it out.
00:50:43
You know, they looked up there and they was like this bitch.
00:50:47
She got what she wanted anyway. But I mean, she told you,
00:50:53
Callum. She told you.
00:50:55
I will be more valuable to you here.
00:50:57
Yeah. I can give you counsel.
00:50:59
I can help you figure out how to keep everything intact.
00:51:03
He showed nursing. Yeah, because it was things that
00:51:06
dad clearly shared with her that he did not share with everybody.
00:51:09
Yeah, he didn't. He trained her.
00:51:12
Right, but then you're. So it's so interested that
00:51:16
interesting that you trained her like she had the chance to take
00:51:21
over but didn't. But the two that needs to take
00:51:25
over you didn't. So what were what really was he
00:51:32
thinking really? Did he want someone else to take
00:51:34
over? Or maybe Or maybe she marries
00:51:40
someone and her husband takes over.
00:51:43
And you know, that's what I'm thinking.
00:51:46
She could have been thinking that like, she's going to find
00:51:48
someone she's interested in and then I will help raise them up,
00:51:51
and then she would help raise him up too, to be leader of our
00:51:55
clan. Yeah, because I think with the
00:51:57
fact that she was so picky about that whole situation, like I
00:52:02
want to marry for love. I don't want to marry for the
00:52:04
clan. If she's able to do that, then
00:52:09
she's automatically going to focus on the clan because she
00:52:11
doesn't have to worry about, oh, is my husband loyal to us?
00:52:15
Is he loyal to another clan or that sort of thing?
00:52:19
Because she is intelligent enough and he raised her to be
00:52:24
the type of person that she is to where she's not going to
00:52:27
just, you know, fall in line with somebody else and just be
00:52:30
like, oh, OK, this person's going to leave.
00:52:32
No, I think if she would have chosen someone while he was
00:52:37
still alive, he would have known.
00:52:39
OK, This is a person who can probably leave the clan, but
00:52:46
it's not really that person leading the clan.
00:52:48
It's hardly I feel like that's kind of sort of what he was
00:52:53
trying to do. And then of course, like you
00:52:56
say, he say he wasn't he was he wasn't planning on dying anytime
00:52:59
soon. And then what happens?
00:53:00
He dies of. Course they always do.
00:53:04
Without naming them here. So, yeah, but OK, let's talk
00:53:13
about Julia or Julia. I just, I still, I just can't
00:53:26
believe that this is a this is the way that women were allowed
00:53:31
to be treated. And nobody it it was OK with
00:53:37
everybody. Nobody cared enough to say
00:53:39
anything. Nobody cared enough to change
00:53:41
things. And then the crazy thing is you
00:53:43
got people in this day and age in 2025, they're trying to go
00:53:46
back to that same type thing, but we won't go there.
00:53:50
This is the we're not going to turn this into a political show,
00:53:54
but. Yeah, yeah, we're Julia.
00:53:57
All through time has been that way.
00:53:59
We're our own worst enemy. Right, we are poor Julia, and
00:54:05
I'm going back to what we were saying earlier.
00:54:08
I understand Missus, Missus Porter is trying to help her
00:54:11
out. She's looking at all of the
00:54:13
options with the mindset of, OK, this is what is available in
00:54:18
this day and age. Again, she doesn't know anything
00:54:21
about Julia. She doesn't know that Julia's
00:54:23
from the future. She you know, she only knows
00:54:26
that Julia says she has a husband.
00:54:29
But we we have. We don't know.
00:54:31
We don't. Have no evidence, right?
00:54:33
Where are you at? And she's been there for what, a
00:54:36
month? She said.
00:54:37
So it's like, ain't nobody came and got for you.
00:54:41
Yeah, but how could he get me when I've been kidnapped?
00:54:44
And so he's probably looking for me and.
00:54:47
And probably doesn't even know where to start.
00:54:51
And it's so crazy that they're closer than than they think they
00:54:55
are. Because when Laura Lovett said
00:54:59
Isaac Grant is, you know, he's like, that's my buddy.
00:55:03
I was like OK, so here it is y'all get together to talk about
00:55:08
the Mackenzie's. Oh bring that little, bring your
00:55:11
little maid servant and Oh my God.
00:55:14
But I have a feeling if something like that were to
00:55:16
happen it would still be a problem.
00:55:18
I think Henry would have a problem because they're not just
00:55:22
going to let him be like Oh well that's my wife.
00:55:24
I'm taking her with me because she was used as payment for
00:55:28
debt. So he's going to expect even if
00:55:32
Lord Lovett let's her go, which at this point now that she
00:55:35
doesn't slept with them, it's not going to be that easy.
00:55:41
Nah, Nah, not at all. And then I don't know if you
00:55:46
guys saw the preview of the fourth episode, but she's
00:55:50
starting to show, Said at some point she's probably going to
00:55:57
tell him that this is his baby. Yeah.
00:56:00
Yeah. And then that's going to create
00:56:03
a whole bunch of other complications because at this
00:56:06
point now, Brian can't help her. Like Brian even in this episode
00:56:10
when they came back from the Mackenzie's and they were in the
00:56:13
kitchen now for all of Davina Porter's, you don't need to be
00:56:18
alone with the Laird. And he doesn't care if somebody
00:56:21
else is around. Brian is going to go talk to
00:56:24
him. And she's like, oh, yeah, I'll
00:56:25
send. I'll send Julia in there with
00:56:28
some snacks. Why?
00:56:29
Oh no. Even Brian was like, no, I don't
00:56:34
want him. I don't want him distracted.
00:56:36
Yeah, don't do that, Mom. Like, why would you do that?
00:56:39
You spent all this time trying to keep her away from him, and
00:56:43
then you're going to send her in the room.
00:56:45
And I don't know, you know, again, different times she
00:56:52
probably could have been trying to send Julia in there.
00:56:55
Like, OK, let me help this girl out if he does take an interest
00:57:00
in her because that could be the mindset.
00:57:03
She's like OK, I know this girl is pregnant even though she's
00:57:06
telling me she's not. Let me try to figure out a way
00:57:08
to help her. If he shows an interest in her
00:57:12
and and takes her to bed, then then she can pretend That could
00:57:16
be her total mindset because it wouldn't be the first time you
00:57:19
see that kind of scheming and and planning for situations like
00:57:24
this. Now her being who she is and
00:57:30
knowing what she went through with this man, I would hope that
00:57:33
that's not the case. But I mean, we've seen it even
00:57:36
even with Outlander that women are, you know, they can go
00:57:41
through a certain situation with the man and still put that
00:57:45
situation on another female because that's that's just the
00:57:49
times. It's early 1700s.
00:57:52
Yep, which sucks, but I mean, I don't know, maybe in her own way
00:58:00
she's trying to help her out because the first time Julia is
00:58:04
in the dining room with them, she's with him and Brian and
00:58:09
Martha and Julia was like, well, Brian and Martha were right
00:58:12
there. She was like, it don't matter.
00:58:14
No, you don't care. He he, he does not know he he
00:58:18
will take what he wants. Don't be alone in the room with
00:58:20
him. What she really means is don't
00:58:23
be alone in the room with him without me, because I'm the only
00:58:26
thing that he apparently scared. Of I would have been under her
00:58:33
skirts. Yeah, all big time.
00:58:37
I need help. Can you stand by me while I
00:58:38
clean this toilet please? Can I sleep in your room
00:58:41
tonight? Right, right.
00:58:44
Because I'm, I'm almost, I'm like, actually kind of surprised
00:58:49
that Lord Lovett hasn't snuck into her room yet.
00:58:51
Yep. Me too.
00:58:54
That's for him to be like I have needs and whatever.
00:58:57
Oh. OK, dirty old man.
00:59:00
Oh, but that last letter that she wrote to Henry where she was
00:59:07
basically talking about her circumstances and her situation,
00:59:10
I was like, I started feeling at that point, especially when she
00:59:14
started walking out and she was holding her stomach and she was
00:59:17
crying. I was like, please don't let her
00:59:18
lose this baby. But at the same time, it's kind
00:59:21
of like we don't know what's going to happen with her.
00:59:25
That might be the best thing for her not to be pregnant right now
00:59:29
in the set. They are.
00:59:31
They are right around 7/17/15 because that's the year the Red
00:59:35
Jacob died. OK, that might be the best thing
00:59:39
for her, but you still don't want that to happen.
00:59:43
But then when she wrote the letter, she went through all the
00:59:45
trouble to write the letter. And then she put it in the fire.
00:59:48
And then she looked up and I was like, wait, her hair is done, is
00:59:53
loose. She's got on.
00:59:54
Like I was like, Julia, don't do what I think you're about to do.
00:59:58
Don't do it. Don't do it.
01:00:02
Oh, don't. So like.
01:00:09
No, I know, I know. But I get it.
01:00:13
I understand. It's just that's that
01:00:15
conversation when they have to talk about this later, it's
01:00:17
gonna be interesting. Yeah.
01:00:20
Yeah, not looking forward to. It Yeah, no, I, you know, I had
01:00:24
it in the mind of it's gonna be something similar to like the
01:00:26
whole Jamie and Lord John thing with Claire.
01:00:30
So that that did go way farther than I could remember.
01:00:33
If she had to sleep with the was it the king or the Prince and
01:00:36
friends? And I was thinking along the
01:00:39
lines of that and well, that Lord John thing went oh, oh so
01:00:45
like. I don't know what you clutching
01:00:46
your pearls when you want. I.
01:00:51
Know he had that in him. I love him so.
01:00:56
Much though, but that's what I was thinking.
01:00:59
I was like, if if it gets to the point where now that she has
01:01:04
kind of orchestrated this, this lie in order to protect herself
01:01:08
and to protect her unborn child when she does come into contact
01:01:13
with Henry. And I'm saying when 'cause it's
01:01:16
going to happen, damn it. But when she comes into contact
01:01:19
with him, there's going to be an issue because of again, if, if
01:01:23
Henry says, well, this is my wife, blah, blah, blah, blah,
01:01:26
blah. Lord love is going to be like,
01:01:27
but she's carrying my child. Obviously Henry's going to know
01:01:31
that that's not his child. But then the second train of
01:01:35
thought that's going to follow that is in order for him to
01:01:38
think it's his child, she had to sleep with him.
01:01:42
And I just hope that he is more understanding about the
01:01:47
situation, especially since again, in in their case, they
01:01:51
don't even know how they got there right.
01:01:54
So he knows that the times are different.
01:01:57
Like you said, if if he had refused to be their blade or his
01:02:01
head might have been on the spike outside the door.
01:02:03
So maybe he will think about those kinds of, you know,
01:02:07
consequences and, and kind of take them into consideration
01:02:13
when he finds out that, oh, you're quote UN quote, caring
01:02:16
Lord Lovett's child. And then even once they do be,
01:02:21
they do like get together and they try to leave or whatever
01:02:23
they try to do. Lord Lovett's gonna be like
01:02:26
that. Last ran away with my child.
01:02:29
And right that, yeah. I want her back.
01:02:33
Don't get my. Yeah, but getting.
01:02:39
On a ship to America. But I wonder if, if that
01:02:44
situation comes to pass like that, I wonder will that also
01:02:48
'cause if it'll cause a divide between Lord Lovett and Isaac
01:02:55
Grant at this point, because Henry is the bladier for Isaac
01:03:00
Grant. And he's that bladier because he
01:03:02
basically helped them out. He told them of people who were
01:03:08
trying to take advantage of them.
01:03:10
So at this point, I feel like Malcolm Grant may have more
01:03:14
loyalty to Henry. And he knows Henry is looking
01:03:16
for his wife, right. So if Lord Lovett tries to start
01:03:21
some problems, Isaac Grant may be like, OK, you know what?
01:03:26
We bout to handle this, and this is how we're about to handle it.
01:03:29
And maybe that's something that causes Lord Lovett to go even
01:03:33
further into, you know, whatever.
01:03:38
Yeah. Maybe he thinks he has a kid out
01:03:40
there floating around. Yeah.
01:03:43
But I was thinking about that. I was like, OK, the timeline was
01:03:46
wrong because I was like, I wonder, did we see that
01:03:51
particular child? Like maybe he kept the kid or
01:03:54
something. But you know, again, this is
01:03:57
this is our speculation because again, I'm going to claim it
01:04:00
right here. Julia is going to find Henry.
01:04:03
They're going to find a way to get away and they're going to
01:04:05
raise their child together somewhere.
01:04:09
Yes, Lord Lovett is not going to have any in any part of this.
01:04:12
At least I hope, because that would just be too horrible.
01:04:16
And that would just be too. I feel like that will be too
01:04:23
close. That will be muddying the lines
01:04:26
a little bit too much because that's such a direct connection
01:04:30
to Claire and such a direct connection to Jamie.
01:04:34
And I know, yes, we're we're showing the whole star crossed
01:04:38
lovers things. That was fate.
01:04:40
It was destiny. They were always meant to be
01:04:42
together, but that's a little too close.
01:04:45
Yeah, and Jamie would have known if he had an aunt randomly
01:04:49
somewhere or uncle somewhere that, you know, or he would have
01:04:53
at least probably heard a story about, you know, his dad's
01:04:57
sister. Brother.
01:04:58
Another bastard child. Yeah.
01:05:00
Yeah, I don't know. So something good is going to
01:05:03
come out of it. It better like she said, she
01:05:08
wants Claire to meet her sibling, which we know she
01:05:10
doesn't. But I mean, again, if they're
01:05:13
using this to tie this story and it's Outlander, it's it is
01:05:22
close. Yeah, it is very much so.
01:05:26
When does Season 8 start? Early 2026, so we should be
01:05:31
getting it in a couple of months.
01:05:33
I'm hoping when they say early, they really mean like January,
01:05:36
February, February, March, right?
01:05:38
Like you know when this is. Over, I mean, well, this is only
01:05:43
what, probably 10/11/12 episodes.
01:05:47
I think this is, well, I don't remember.
01:05:50
I think 10 maybe. So, yeah.
01:05:57
So they say early 2026. Usually if it's summer, they say
01:06:00
summer, they say early. And I think the last, I think
01:06:06
the last time we got a premiere that was early, it was like
01:06:08
February. So yeah.
01:06:12
Is that OK? So let's see.
01:06:16
I think we talked about everything.
01:06:18
So the rundown of things is Julia is gonna try to pass off
01:06:23
her child is Lord Levitz column is now layered.
01:06:29
Google is now war. Chief Ellen's future right now
01:06:35
is kind of up in the air because we don't know if they're going
01:06:37
to go grants or if they're going to go what was his name?
01:06:42
Mac Mac Mac Renan. Yeah.
01:06:46
Or if they're going to go a whole other thing or if Ellen is
01:06:50
going to be able to find, you know, Brian and.
01:06:53
And there's a lot. 'Cause I, I was just wondered if
01:06:59
they just kind of ran away and eloped and say screw everybody.
01:07:02
And then they were like, well, that's.
01:07:04
Those things, well, I know that they did elope, but I we don't
01:07:07
know the details of how they elope because again, we don't
01:07:11
get a lot of Brian and Ellen back story as far as that we
01:07:17
know that they did elope. They definitely will.
01:07:19
OK. They elope and if I'm not
01:07:22
mistaken, from what I read, they stayed hidden until she was
01:07:28
visibly pregnant so that her brothers had to allow them to,
01:07:35
like, marry properly. Yeah.
01:07:39
Yeah. So I and I think that would have
01:07:42
been Jenny. I'm trying to think, was Jenny
01:07:47
oldest? The Willy?
01:07:48
I think Jenny is the oldest. And then their brother Willie,
01:07:52
the one that died, was next. And then I think it was Jamie.
01:07:55
And then there was another brother who died in childbirth.
01:08:00
OK, Yeah. So I think that's what it is.
01:08:03
So. So, yeah, I don't really want to
01:08:06
rush that 'cause I don't want to see Ellen die.
01:08:08
And I don't think they, you know, they would rush it because
01:08:11
we are getting the second season of the show.
01:08:13
But yeah, her future right now is kind of in the air.
01:08:20
And then what happens once they realize, oh, she's not gonna be
01:08:23
married to either one of y'all? Yeah.
01:08:26
'Cause that's the that's the part right there.
01:08:29
That's gonna be, that's gonna be a problem.
01:08:33
So glad we already know the outcome because if I did not
01:08:36
know the outcome this would be harder to watch.
01:08:40
Yeah, yes, it would be. Yeah, it would be.
01:08:43
It's like at some point we know they're gonna get together,
01:08:46
right? You know, everything's going to
01:08:48
be fine with, well, I, I would say kind of sort of fine with
01:08:51
Brian and Mertha because they made Mertha Jamie's godfather,
01:08:57
right? So.
01:09:00
Oh but here's the thing. So what you said it was Jenna
01:09:03
and then probably Willie and then Jamie.
01:09:04
So maybe it takes 2 third kid before they get.
01:09:08
Back, right. You know, I Yeah, I hope not.
01:09:14
Brian needs Brian needs his his ride or die friend, even though
01:09:18
he's being a little sketchy right now.
01:09:20
But I mean, he's not being sketchy on purpose.
01:09:23
It's an awkward situation. It was a situation he did like.
01:09:26
He didn't go to the Mackenzie funeral expecting to fall in
01:09:30
love with the object of Murta's desire, right.
01:09:34
So. If you're not.
01:09:36
You. You mean Ellie?
01:09:41
Ellie. Y'all, y'all are y'all are
01:09:42
besties. You see what I'm saying?
01:09:44
So you could have been like man, I met a girl and she like I
01:09:49
absolutely fell in love with her and her name is Ellie.
01:09:52
But you know that his girl name is Ellie but just pretend her
01:09:56
name is Ellie. Ellie what she look like red
01:09:59
hair, red hair. Oh my God, already.
01:10:03
Right. Like, I really don't think that
01:10:07
in that first episode, I don't think Merta mentioned her by
01:10:10
name. So that would have been the most
01:10:13
easiest time to tell him that I met this chick at the bridge and
01:10:17
we fell in love holding hands. Yeah.
01:10:23
At the bridge. After annoying each other all of
01:10:25
two seconds. Right, right.
01:10:27
No, They really fell in love. Do it.
01:10:30
Papers. In the stable.
01:10:32
Right in the stable where we. Thought they but they first date
01:10:36
was on the bridge, yeah. That's so funny.
01:10:41
That was her first date. With the chaperone with the
01:10:45
bridge as the chaperone on your side.
01:10:48
And I would stay on my side. I mean, even from right there,
01:10:53
you know that, you know he's a man of honor because he was
01:10:56
like, I will not have your virtue question.
01:10:59
Oh, but you got her virtual question now 'cause you put
01:11:02
your. No.
01:11:04
That was a dream. That's different.
01:11:06
That was her. No, I'm talking about when he
01:11:08
was saying, you know, there's a reason why she didn't get
01:11:11
married. So now, you know, you just threw
01:11:14
her reputation under the bus. I don't think that was his
01:11:17
intent. I think that's what Lord Lovett
01:11:19
picked it up and cut because he even said like no we.
01:11:22
Don't know what we're just gonna ruin her reputation.
01:11:24
I love it is like you got a lot to learn.
01:11:27
I was like, but we are. Uh Oh yeah.
01:11:31
So maybe, maybe he does ruin her reputation and then Malcolm
01:11:38
doesn't want her and then they try to put her off on MC Granny
01:11:42
'cause they're like, oh shit, we gotta put her with somebody.
01:11:45
And then she's like, I don't think so.
01:11:47
She's. Like I got somebody, I have an
01:11:50
option. And then she's like, well, I'll
01:11:53
just go on and leave and yeah, I'll figure out the rest.
01:11:57
Right. Right, that would be some drama
01:12:00
if he does want her Rep to a certain degree.
01:12:02
Yeah, but I mean, it's going to be some drama because if you, if
01:12:06
you looked at any of the promos leading up to the season, you
01:12:10
know, it's about to be some fighting.
01:12:12
There is about to be some fighting.
01:12:15
And I did see parts of a ceremony, but again, I don't
01:12:19
know if that was an actual ceremony.
01:12:21
I think it was with her and Malcolm Grant.
01:12:22
So I don't know if it was an engagement ceremony, if they
01:12:25
actually got married or like what the case may be.
01:12:30
That could have also been a dream, you know, a dream or a
01:12:33
hallucination or, you know, imagination, whatever, whatever,
01:12:37
right? But it's about to be some drama.
01:12:41
Tense. Yeah.
01:12:44
Especially with Colin and Dougal, just like they're
01:12:52
bickering in the main show was a bit much.
01:12:56
Am I about to have to watch two seasons of them going at it?
01:13:00
Just get it together? But you know what, there was
01:13:04
there. There is a thing that I want to
01:13:06
see happen in the show. When they did the red carpet for
01:13:10
the premiere, Graham Mactavish was there and I saw a clip of an
01:13:15
interview. Somebody asked him what was he
01:13:18
looking forward to seeing as far as his character, the the
01:13:23
character development and, you know, what they bring to the
01:13:27
table as far as Dougal, he was like, I want to know more about
01:13:31
his wife because, you know, I created quite kind of a scene.
01:13:35
I I I destroyed the dining room when she died.
01:13:39
So I just kind of want to know what that back story is.
01:13:41
And I'm like, yeah, I want to know that back story too.
01:13:45
And then also I need to know about how Hamish was born.
01:13:47
But we won't get that until later.
01:13:50
Hamish was only, what, 8 when Claire got there.
01:13:53
That's still we still got another 20 something years for
01:13:57
that to happen. I need to know because I have
01:14:00
thoughts. I feel.
01:14:02
I feel like there was something. Yeah, I, I think, yeah, we, we,
01:14:05
we had that conversation. I like it might have been A and
01:14:10
a fair type thing and not just the oh, you're about to secure
01:14:14
my bloodline for me. I mean, it could have been
01:14:17
similar to Julia, you know, like, oh, OK.
01:14:20
Well, yeah, I slipped up, messed around with Dougal.
01:14:25
Now I'm pregnant and I see the make column think that it's his
01:14:31
or columns. I mean, depending on what their
01:14:34
sex life is. I don't know with columns
01:14:37
condition if that affects anything else, but I mean
01:14:42
obviously you know it. It does in some sense because
01:14:45
Hamish is not his. So right.
01:14:49
Yeah, we bout to get into a whole bunch of drama.
01:14:54
That's OK, I'm here for it. Ready, ready for it.
01:14:59
I am. Did we mention everything in
01:15:02
this episode that was worth talking about?
01:15:04
Kind of remember. What is?
01:15:07
What is it? So let me try.
01:15:10
Yeah, it's fresh in your. Brain look highlights the dream.
01:15:20
Learning that you have new fiance.
01:15:26
Yeah, talking to your brothers about the situation.
01:15:29
They're bullshit. Google turn around and giving
01:15:34
you off to someone else. Like how many active engagements
01:15:39
are you allowed to call in the 1700 right?
01:15:43
I don't know, like, and then everyone knows about it.
01:15:47
So wouldn't it be like conflict? Like I thought she was engaged
01:15:51
to me, But they all know it's part of the deal.
01:15:53
So they realize they have to make do they part in getting her
01:15:57
together? Like, oh, if Dougal is there,
01:16:00
then she's going to be engaged to this person.
01:16:02
If Colin is there, she's going to be engaged to this person.
01:16:05
If McKinney gets it, then McKinney is probably going to
01:16:07
give her to the grants anyway to.
01:16:11
Was McKinney married it He wasn't married, was he?
01:16:17
Or what did they talk about that?
01:16:18
Because I'm thinking he would have took her for himself.
01:16:23
Oh, because you know what he did, he did seem interested
01:16:27
earlier because what it what was it that she said in the first
01:16:30
episode? She said McKinney is making his
01:16:32
intention on Because I think he was the one that was like,
01:16:36
basically smile. Like I gave you a compliment.
01:16:39
You're beautiful. And she was like, thank you.
01:16:40
He was like, what? She say thank you for the
01:16:42
compliment. Oh, but it's not enough to get a
01:16:44
smile. She was like, I'm still in
01:16:46
mourning. Well, you're not gonna be
01:16:47
mourning forever. I think that was him.
01:16:49
OK, yeah, that might have been him, 'cause I'm like, I feel
01:16:53
like somebody, yeah, somebody wants her other than people
01:16:58
that's trying to get. It's a whole bunch of look, it's
01:17:00
a whole bunch of the. It's.
01:17:02
A whole to her, a whole bunch of dudes.
01:17:05
Hi, I'm this, I'm that. And she was just like, let me go
01:17:08
hang with the horses so I can get away from this.
01:17:11
I mean whole bunch, but I mean. That's what happens when you
01:17:17
have a a Bonnie face and fiery red hair and you're basically
01:17:22
known as OK, you know what? Red Jacob says She didn't have
01:17:25
to get married. But Red Jacob ain't here
01:17:27
anymore. OK, Yep, look the synopsis.
01:17:33
Then we found out that read Jacob is a shitty father.
01:17:37
Yes. When we just learned last week
01:17:42
he was just a doting and loving father to one.
01:17:46
That's why I'm always going to say kids have different parents
01:17:50
and different perspective in a the same household.
01:17:54
OK, what else? What else happened in this
01:17:57
episode? We saw Henry for a little bit,
01:18:02
of course, in a in a whorehouse with Meg Gowen.
01:18:06
But the the lady who runs the head, the the she, she told him
01:18:12
she was like, OK, the woman that you're describing, she would
01:18:15
stand out. So I'll be on the lookout for
01:18:17
her. So at least he has someone who
01:18:19
may be able to help him locate Julia.
01:18:21
At least that's the start. And and Mr. Bugg does not like.
01:18:28
He does not. Yeah.
01:18:30
So when he chooses his wife, he chooses his wife.
01:18:32
Well, yeah. What did he tell me he was like,
01:18:35
you're not gonna find a good woman in here.
01:18:38
Gary is like not looking for a. Good but looking for a good
01:18:41
woman he's. Like I'm gonna go wait outside
01:18:43
and let you. Finish your business.
01:18:46
And we we we learned that young Ned likes brown sugar.
01:18:51
He do. He was like, oh, she's like.
01:18:58
What's your special? What you like and he like.
01:19:01
You want your usual that would be great, but you know Ned is a
01:19:07
frequent purveyor of the brothels as we saw.
01:19:10
I mean think about it, he got players wedding dress from.
01:19:13
Right. Yeah.
01:19:14
And they, yeah, yeah. And they, they like him there.
01:19:17
So they really like him there. So, yeah.
01:19:20
So we we got that when I say we learned that Brian is currently
01:19:25
not the the the best of a great friend.
01:19:29
OK. It's OK though.
01:19:31
He will be better later, but we probably.
01:19:33
Win. The best friend, he's in a weird
01:19:36
situation right? And it's this is like ACW show
01:19:40
he he is going to lose his best friend and ruin the reputation
01:19:44
of the ones he love. But he's going to get the girl.
01:19:48
After he ruined her reputation so that that that is the.
01:19:52
His dad is going to ruin her reputation.
01:19:54
He gave his dad the idea. He did.
01:19:58
He gave that on. Brian's feet.
01:20:02
I'm not going to blame him. However, you just saying.
01:20:07
Sometimes you gave him the light and he took that light and set a
01:20:11
fire idea, OK? So you can't do that.
01:20:15
OK, I think yeah, we hit the most important.
01:20:19
We hit. Oh, we hit the most important
01:20:21
parts. What would that go for?
01:20:24
Oh, well, you know, I was gonna say Julia, we just, you know, we
01:20:32
we light a candle for her. Yeah.
01:20:35
Making hope for the best 'cause right now she don't have the
01:20:38
decision that right. And it made the most courageous
01:20:43
decision of everyone on today today's episode.
01:20:49
Yeah, she had to take one for the team, but that's OK.
01:20:54
But that one. It's horrible.
01:20:57
I'm just, it's horrible. It it is definitely hard.
01:21:01
It's definitely. Come in and get more, my English
01:21:03
rose. I was like.
01:21:06
Oh, that is disgusting. Whatever.
01:21:10
He's like my my manly charms have worked.
01:21:14
Yeah, be staring or holding her back has finally turned her on.
01:21:22
That she wanted. But you know.
01:21:25
What? A mile away?
01:21:26
You should have. Come on.
01:21:28
No one wants you. Yeah.
01:21:30
But I would say this, I am glad that it happened in that way
01:21:34
because that means that she gets to take control of her own
01:21:38
narrative and she gets to she gets to decide what she does
01:21:42
with her body. And I'm glad it wasn't a even
01:21:45
though we know again, 1700s, I'm glad we didn't have to see
01:21:48
another rape on TV. Let me just tell you how that is
01:21:52
true because I was afraid being even further back than Claire
01:21:56
went back because like, how many times did Claire get raped?
01:21:59
Like, I was like, jeez Louise, men.
01:22:05
Like, come on, get your life. Yeah.
01:22:07
Yeah. It's and, and, and then Brianna
01:22:09
like so, yeah, I was a little worried about that he was going
01:22:12
to take it. And I think that, yeah, that's,
01:22:14
that's a good point. She made, yeah, she made a
01:22:16
choice. Yeah.
01:22:18
So again, thank you, Davina, for whatever Hex's juju, whatever
01:22:23
you got going on. Yeah, thank you.
01:22:29
Because he is obviously scared of her or just weary of her.
01:22:33
Maybe, maybe I would say weary, maybe not scared, but I mean.
01:22:37
He just don't F with her. He just don't.
01:22:41
That's just the bottom line. He ain't missing.
01:22:44
OK, that'll work. I don't know because she making
01:22:46
his food. I don't know.
01:22:48
I just we just not you know, I'm just I don't want.
01:22:51
I don't know if I end up on the toilet.
01:22:52
I don't know. We just don't F with her.
01:22:55
And we know he's very noisy on the toilet.
01:22:57
Thanks. Thanks for this.
01:22:59
I am. So glad that I actually did not
01:23:02
hear that. Thank God.
01:23:04
At first I deal. So what was happening to him?
01:23:06
And then they show him that, oh, he's on the toilet.
01:23:09
Is he grunting? OK, All right, look.
01:23:14
OK. Oh, there was one one other
01:23:17
thing. Was it Henry?
01:23:20
No. Oh, I'm always going to say
01:23:22
Malcolm Grant and love the name. However, you can't get me to
01:23:27
stop thinking about Jurassic Park every time we say Malcolm
01:23:31
Grant. Every single time.
01:23:35
Wow, I didn't even think it was a combo of of the two main
01:23:39
stuff, right? Every time.
01:23:41
And the way he said, Malcolm Grant, I'm like, God, you just
01:23:44
make a Jurassic. And you know who read Jacob is
01:23:48
right, you know. You know what he's most recently
01:23:50
been been on best kid during from Rings of Power.
01:23:54
Oh, yes, yes. The dwarf.
01:23:59
Yeah. The dwarf king.
01:24:00
Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:02
COO, COO for Cocoa pus. Yeah, that was because of the
01:24:07
rain, but that's a whole different story.
01:24:09
OK, so All right, So I think we hit all the high points.
01:24:13
We got everything done. Again.
01:24:15
I'm going to mention Dragon Con is next weekend.
01:24:17
We are doing Outlander panels at Dragon Con.
01:24:20
We got 7 days. Yeah, but we are doing a blood
01:24:23
of the blood panel that I am moderating.
01:24:26
And then there's another for the Outlander show.
01:24:29
There's also a panel, that Outlander trivia panel that I
01:24:35
that we are just going to go and probably, you know, play and
01:24:40
dominate. So yeah, we.
01:24:42
Need to finish looking at the schedule.
01:24:44
I know, but yeah, full details are on our website, so you can
01:24:49
find all of the panels that Anthony, Mike, Michelle and I
01:24:53
are on. I think between the four of us,
01:24:55
there's like 27 panels listed. So we're going to be very busy.
01:24:59
We're going to have a lot of fun talking our geek stuff.
01:25:03
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