#outlander #bloodofmyblood Julia makes plans to escape after Lord Lovat makes an unwanted request. Brian learns the truth about the source of his murder attempt. As her wedding day approaches, Ellen makes amends with Jocasta. Malcolm's sister offers a gentle warning toward Ellen. Brian risks his life to find out the truth. A hurtful betrayal clears the way for Ellen to take control of her life. The Grants and MacKenzies seal their alliance. An unexpected confrontation has violent results. Henry and Julia face a tough decision to ensure the safely of their son.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Michelle and Dina, and we are discussing the season 1
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finale of Outlander, Blood of my blood.
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We are already back in Drought Lander.
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But you know what? This Is Us out on a good note
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'cause this episode was so good. It was so good.
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But I know we have thoughts. I know Michelle got plenty of
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thoughts. But what we're going to do with
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this episode, because a lot of the Mackenzie Fraser Grant stuff
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is, you know, it took up most of the episode.
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We're going to start with Henry and Julia 1st and then go into
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the other stuff 'cause Henry and Julia were pretty, pretty cut
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and dry with this episode. You know, we going on with them
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just we did get some flashbacks. We finally get to meet a little
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Claire and we finally get to meet Quinton Lambert, Beauchamp,
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or Beecham. I will say this, Claire seems
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like she's just as precocious as a toddler and as a little girl
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as she is as an adult. And I and she loves cake.
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And she loves cake and I love the love that Uncle Lamb has for
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her like that. That kind of makes it for me.
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Us knowing that Claire never got her parents back, the fact that
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she was so surrounded by love, that just makes it so much
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better, 'cause he obviously adored this little girl.
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You know, and he spoke so much like to her that was real.
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Like, oh, slow down, Sir, you're putting a little too much.
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Right. Like, OK, you talking about her
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adventures and all this stuff? Look, maybe he's the reason why
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she she ended up having that kind of life.
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It's Uncle Lamb's, though. You're going to be an adventure.
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You're going to do this and do this.
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Like slow down, Sir. She's too, right?
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She's too. And then, you know, when she's
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5, they're like, Oh yeah, she's going to, he's going to have her
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doing this and he's going to have her doing that.
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And she's just, she's ruling over him over on the beach.
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She's telling him, I want to do this, I want to do that.
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He's like, OK, let's do this. I see.
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You know what? I'm glad we got to see that
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little bit of a little bitty part of Claire's childhood
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because again, you get to see kind of what forms her as a
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woman. You know, she had these two
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amazing parents who loved her for five years.
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And then when they disappeared, she has this other surrogate
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parent who basically, like you said, breathe life to her from
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an early age. And you can you can just imagine
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that with the loss of her parents and especially like his
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brother, he probably poured double into her.
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Like, OK, you know what, I will make sure this girl knows she's
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loved. I'm not going to abandoned her,
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blah, blah, blah. I love seeing that.
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I thought it was so much fun, and I'm so glad to finally put a
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face to Uncle Lance. Like we saw him in the very
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first episode of the original series.
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But that was also an older version of him, you know?
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So I liked it. I enjoyed that part.
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Yeah, it was really sweet, but it was also like, so sad to just
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see like them as a family, as a whole family, and then just to
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not know like what was coming in the future and just to know that
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that family was going to be. Kind of.
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They will never be this family again.
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I know it was just just made me sad to watch.
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It was so pretty and sweet and but it was so sad to think like,
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oh man, their lives are going to be ripped apart.
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It's crazy. Yeah, Claire would never see her
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parents, maybe, but growing up she wouldn't.
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Yeah, maybe old, maybe not, but clearly we still know, you know,
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she grew up without her parents, so that that's the most
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difficult part. Yeah, yeah.
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And I think, I think I've settled what I think in my head
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is gonna happen. I think she's gonna meet her
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brother. That's what I think.
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OK. I think it's.
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I feel that we need that. We do need this.
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I was just thinking like, you know, it could be the parents
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cause who got whoever they go, wherever they go.
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I don't know. But that 'cause, you know, they
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left us on the Cliff hammer, which I knew they would.
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Of course, of course, but you know, but I they probably did
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that also because they got the early renewal, so they knew that
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the story would continue. They didn't have to tie up in
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the loose hands. I mean, I think I think they
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did. I think they did really good
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with this one because if the season had ended, if this was
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just a one shot 1 and done, I think they ended it in a great
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place because especially for Jamie's parents, we already know
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kind of what has happened. We can fill in the blanks and
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you know the interesting thing about players parents.
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I was reading an interview that Diana Gabaldon did regarding
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this because she Co wrote this episode as well as the last
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episode. And she was talking about how I
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think they were asking her about writing Julia and Henry because
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they're, you know, of course, in in her books, they're dead.
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And she, the way that she described it, she said they
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don't seem real to her because in her mind, those two, those
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two characters are dead. So she really tries not to write
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anything for them in the show because they don't, they're not
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real to her. Which that kind of struck me
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kind of funny because it's like, OK, I understand they're not
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real to you because they're your characters and you killed them
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off. But you, you obviously have two
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people playing them on screen doing a really, really good job.
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I, I almost feel like it's a little disrespectful, but you
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know. It's very much disrespectful,
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OK, Yeah, it's very much disrespectful.
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Yeah, because and yeah, y'all don't want me to get started.
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I mean, I can understand if the story was one, if it was a crap
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story, you wanted to distance yourself from that.
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But it it's not they're they're telling a really, really good
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story and something that for Claire's parents, it could be
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believable. You know, you could very well
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put this in a book and I will read and be like, oh, OK, yeah.
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And like you, you say, Michelle, and we've had this discussion
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the way that it reads on page. Claire just knows her parents
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died. We don't for sure what happened
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to them, you know, And it does feel open-ended, at least it did
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for me as a reader because, again, if Claire's parents in
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the books are not time travelers, where does she get
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the the gene or the ability or whatever you want to call it?
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Where did she get it? Yeah.
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And then like you said, her, her daughter, her grandchildren, it
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has to be in somewhere in the family.
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Yeah, in the bloodline, I do wonder if her So yes, she was is
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more about because she had kind of wrote them off as dead in her
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heart, mind and soul. She buried those characters and
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they're done for her in that way as an author, not necessarily as
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a as the show, but like just as an author.
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She just kind of those characters in her mind were
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gone. And then in the show they're
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like, but no, this is a prequel, so we need to flesh this out.
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And she kind of was like, you know, but in my world, they're
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dead, you know, I don't know. I don't.
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Know. Yeah.
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And I think she has said that before, like when they came to
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her with the idea and they were like, OK, so this is what we
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want to do for the show. You know, she's always been very
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vocal about the fact that she realizes the show and the books
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are not going to necessarily match up because, one, her world
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on paper is so dense. There's so many things that are
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in the books that have not shown up in the show at all.
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You know, and she realizes that that's the kind of thing that
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happens when you turn in something from page to screen.
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You may also yes, but I'm let me just say this.
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I'm sorry. It it it it's just I'm sorry And
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and no, I have not gotten through all the books.
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However, I will one day. However you write such a rich
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story. You have even back stories to
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stories, but Claire's parents you just like totally disregard,
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OK, They did. And that's all.
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Like you history. I mean, even Roger has history,
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but Clara has no history. OK, so that's the one part I
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feel is disrespectful. But they're getting their due
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time now. But in getting their due time,
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it's still not great. And no Hanukkah.
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I didn't like how this ended, even if this was the last show.
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I know they would never get to Claire, but damn it, can they
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get somewhere together? Together 'cause I see them in
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Hawaii or something that I know that they OK, they don't.
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That's the one couple. I just want to make sure that
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they're together. So here we go.
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I don't know if they're together.
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One has the baby, one don't have the baby.
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Or did they all end up touching cause like when he grabbed her
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hand did they all somehow? So for their for their future,
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we have no clue. And I'm upset about that.
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Jamie's parents, all the love we so love, we making love for 20
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hours. But Claire's parents?
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No, look, y'all gonna stop? Y'all gonna stop with Brian and
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Ellen because it's still in as as as long as what was it the
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the a Malcolm episode where Claire and Jamie reunited?
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That shit took an hour, so no, we not we gonna give by.
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The end of the year, 20 years. Give.
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Them and then the lives that they destroyed for they love.
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See. So we not there yet.
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We gonna do porn. But James, I mean, Claire's
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parents got the short end of the stick.
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That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah.
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No. And I OK, I get it.
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I get it. I get.
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It that was that was part of my thing too.
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I was just like, I just need to like just give me, I just I, I
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wish I'd just give us a little, a inch more, say whether
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somebody traveled or not. Just to.
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Just to. Like they pop up somewhere
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together. We don't know the time, we don't
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know nothing. I knew they would leave it on a
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cliffhanger but I really wish they would have gone somewhere
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else. But I feel like if they do that
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then it would give too much away.
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Yeah, and I, I think that I think that's one of the reasons
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as well. But I, I kind of, I did feel
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that at the end, because you're having this discussion about,
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OK, well, I'll take him and go because we or I'll, I'll keep
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him and stay and you go because, you know, they don't know if the
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baby can travel. But also you guys don't know the
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in and outs of of what this is. You know, far as I know, you
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don't have any gemstones on you because you don't realize that
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that is a component that you need to have.
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Like you don't have all of the information that Claire was able
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to get because at this point you have only been trying to
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survive. And it wasn't just one coming
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through, both of you guys came through even though y'all didn't
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know both came through. So it's kind of like, OK, is he
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here? Is she here?
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Did I leave them behind? You're still trying to figure
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all this stuff out. So you haven't even thought
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about Oh well, let me go back to the stones because you're trying
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to figure out how one, how to stay alive 2 whether or not your
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person followed you through. And if they did, where the hell
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are they? Like we already know that Henry
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knew Julia was where she was supposed to be because he saw
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the SWAK on the rock. Julia had no clue where Henry
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was up until after she gave birth.
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You know, But I, I just felt like at that point, you've got
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Archbug and other grant people coming after you.
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OK, the time for discussion is over.
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You can't give her back the baby and say I'm gonna send you guys
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through to give you a chance and I'm gonna stay here.
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No, I because at this point, if the and I hate to say like this,
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if the baby can't travel, I mean, at least you know where
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where he is. And if you can figure out the a
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way to get back, at least you can do that.
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I don't think Arch. Bug.
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That's true. That's somebody's.
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Right yeah, I don't think he would kill the baby to kill the
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baby. I I mean, but then again I don't
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know it's arch bug. He might they.
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Gave him it to Mardina. That would have.
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Been interesting. That would have been interesting
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'cause I have a theory. Because if they touch the stones
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right? And what if they end up in Jamie
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and Claire's time? That's see, that's what we see.
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We was talking about that. Yeah, that is like they are with
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a baby. 'Cause remember we said that
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they was just thinking about getting back to Claire in any
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way anyway. Oh, also, I was thinking on his
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Grant garb. He might have had some fancy
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brooch or something holding his kilt together, and then she
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might have had something in her ring from the Laird that might
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have helped them. Yeah.
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OK. I just and the and the baby is
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is exempt, but then it doesn't tie into faith and the girl
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singing the song. So that doesn't tie bowling that
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but it it would be, you know, nice and special.
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They just popped up. Well, OK, so here's the thing.
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So what? If she helps them deliver their
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baby. Either that or if they they
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travel or whatever, maybe they didn't travel, maybe they ended
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up staying in that particular time.
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Maybe it doesn't work because again, far as we know, they
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don't have jewels or whatever. So if William is brought up in
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this time, that means that he's going to be maybe a few years,
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obviously a few years younger than Claire, like in real
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lifetime, but he would still be old enough.
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He would be older than Jamie in seven in the 1700s, right.
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So going back to the whole thing about the faith revelation or
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what could be a revelation with Fanny and Jane, we said, OK,
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this couldn't be like maybe nieces, this might be
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grandchildren or you know, of of players, whoever.
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It could be Claire's brother's children and maybe he just
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happened to, I don't know. You raised someone named.
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Faith, you know, and I mean, if if he grew up with Julia as his
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mother, she would have sang that song.
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He could have taught it to her and then she would have sang it
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to the. I mean, there at this point,
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there's so many possibilities that there.
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Could be an Yeah, they could have another.
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Kid could, and I've just gotten to the point where, yeah.
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That's true. I'm going to.
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Try to not. I'm going to try to not theorize
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so much because there's so many. There's so many different ways
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that this can. Go so many ways they can go.
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Like the whole time travel thing is not it.
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It's not concrete. Because think about it, Rodger
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went back thinking he was looking for Jimmy and ended up
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way further back than he was supposed to go, which had never
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happened to any of them. He went 200 plus years into the
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past. There's have always been right
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around 200 to 203 years, so that's another factor they could
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have, if they did go through the stones, they could have gone
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further backwards in time, they could have gone forward in time.
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We just don't know. That's yeah, that's that is
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interesting you brought that up 'cause I did wonder about that.
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Like how did he he will he was had Jimmy on his heart, but I
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guess his father was on his heart more.
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Well, I mean, yeah. And he did say, you know, I
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thought about my father. He was thinking about his father
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because he was like, you know, Jim is without his father.
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I grew up without my father. I don't want that to happen.
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And it just so happens that Jimmy named after his father,
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Jeremiah. That is true.
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So that's where the stones could have been like, oh, OK, well,
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have we got a Jeremiah for you? But and not only that, we know
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that his Jimmy was never lost in time.
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Was never had. Never had didn't we know that
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his Jimmy did not go through the stones, right.
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So of course, the stones are probably like, oh, OK, well, we
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do recognize a Jimmy that is related to this man that is out
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of time or out of place in time. You know, I don't know how the
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stones work. I don't know how they determine
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who goes where or what that what that whole thing is.
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But something about that pool was stronger for Rodger because,
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of course, his Jimmy was nowhere in the stones, nowhere in time.
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So it naturally would have been like, oh, OK, if he's looking
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for a Jeremiah through the stones, that he must be looking
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for this one. Yeah, you know, But again, those
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stones are we still don't really know a lot about it except for
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what Galis, you know, figured out about them.
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And and we we know that her stuff is, while it was, you
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know, correct, it's also a little bit flawed because she
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was thinking you have to have a blood sacrifice to go through.
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And that's not always the case, of course.
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She was thinking, I think she wanted to do that now.
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She was a little murderous. Right.
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Like she read that she there was like 5 points and she was like
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Nah I like the first part right? This one feels.
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More, you know. Yeah, this feels more good for
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me. Yeah.
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Especially considering that between cares about a Jewel and
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Arthur Duncan that she apparently killed a couple more
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people in between then. So yeah.
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Or no, she was. Murdering people on the island
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too. They knew her as like a
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murderer, didn't they? Yeah, in Jamaica, yeah.
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That mean I can't wait to get there 'cause I'm still doing a.
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Rewatch, yeah. But going back to Henry and
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Julia and all that stuff, I will say this too, I almost kind of
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sort of had a very, very, very, very, very tiny bit of sympathy
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for Lord Lovett because I feel like Lord Lovett may actually
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think he actually does love Julia.
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Like he, he behaves completely different around her.
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So I felt a little, I was like, OK, you know what?
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She duping him too. I was like, now he deserved.
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But I do feel a little bit bad. Just a little bit, no?
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I be She's so good at manipulating him, her Ellen
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Bone. Cheese.
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Yeah, but I, you know, it's a product of the times because
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they have no rights. They have no autonomy.
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They have no like they are not in control of anything.
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So what's the one thing you have?
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You're womanly wild. So guess what?
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I'm about to put that to use. Yes, but but when he touched
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that shoulder, he was like you coming to my bed chamber.
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To that she was. Like, Oh no, Well, we not.
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Oh yeah. You ain't sprinkle no more stink
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on this. Thing, right?
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But not only that, my whole thing was why not wait until
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close to dark? Yeah, try to escape.
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Why are you escaping in full daylight now?
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I like what she ended up doing as far as, OK, we're going to
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we're going to do this. You're going to have ballot come
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after me telling, you know, Miss Porter this because she was
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like, I don't want you to get in trouble.
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Because remember, I think I said there's two episodes of God was
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like, if she helps Julia, what is he going to do to her?
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I was kind of worried because we don't really know what happened
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to Miss Porter in the future. You know, we, we know Jamie
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mentions his grandmother. We don't know how she died.
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We don't know it. Even if she's dead, she might
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have just left Lord Lovett and and got the hell off, but we
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don't know. So that has been a worry of
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mine. But when she was like, OK, we're
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going to make it so that you have no, you know, no fault in
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this. After I leave, wait a little
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bit, call ballet, tell him I was kidnapped, and then we'll go
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from there. So that part worked.
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It worked. I mean, very well.
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They were able to get away her and Henry with the baby, and
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then like we said, they stopped to kind of get some rest.
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Watching Henry hold that baby and just looking at him just
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rocking, just so happy. Oh my gosh.
00:21:57
I was like, you know? I was like, put that fire out,
00:21:59
they go see you. That's what I said too.
00:22:03
Because you. You.
00:22:04
See. Arch bugging them looking like
00:22:06
please, so much, please don't find them, please be in the
00:22:10
opposite direction. But I kind of figured I said,
00:22:14
you know what I said they have had no issues on this ride the
00:22:18
whole time. I said something tells me Bug is
00:22:22
going to show up at Craig the Dome because he knows that's
00:22:26
where Henry was trying to go first time he brought him back.
00:22:29
Right, 'cause he talked about it so much.
00:22:33
Yeah, he keeps bringing. Yeah, he kept.
00:22:35
That's the thing about hearing. He talks so damn much.
00:22:38
Stop telling people where you going and doing.
00:22:40
But The thing is, he didn't say anything to Bug about that.
00:22:44
He said it to the before. And she was, you know, I was
00:22:50
kind of glad she did not show up in this episode 'cause, you
00:22:52
know, I thought she was going to make some trouble.
00:22:55
I know we didn't get our core trouble, did we?
00:22:57
Because Diana. Talked them out of it.
00:23:00
Diana told them you may she was like, so you spent all this
00:23:05
season, you know, kind of a push and pull with Henry and Julia.
00:23:10
Will they see each other? Won't they see each other Now?
00:23:13
You're going to put them together and you're going to
00:23:15
have this be the issue. Like Seema is going to come in
00:23:18
and, you know, I think her line was supposed to be, you know,
00:23:21
Julia was supposed to say something like, do you know my
00:23:24
husband? And she was like, yes, I know
00:23:26
him in all the wifely ways or something like that.
00:23:28
She was like, do you really want to give them that kind of stress
00:23:32
and drama right before they're running for their?
00:23:35
Lives. So they thought better and they
00:23:38
took it out, which I'm so glad of because I was like, that is
00:23:41
something we definitely don't need to deal with.
00:23:44
They got enough to deal with. They can, they can talk about
00:23:46
that later. Henry can tell her.
00:23:48
Look, I have a confession. You know, when I thought she was
00:23:51
dead, I slept with this woman, blah, blah, blah.
00:23:53
Julia's going to understand because what does she do?
00:23:56
She slept with a man and and became his wife.
00:23:58
To protect her. So there's not going to be that,
00:24:04
that drama right there. But if you had done it right
00:24:06
then, then yeah, that might have, that might have caused
00:24:09
some issues. Archbug would have found them a
00:24:12
little bit quicker. It would have been a little bit
00:24:14
messy because Henry, I feel like Henry would have have fought,
00:24:21
you know? No, I have my wife and my child
00:24:23
standing right here in front of me.
00:24:25
I'll be damned if you're going to take them away from me.
00:24:27
Yeah. And then that he would have PPFD
00:24:31
out because he would have immediately went back to war,
00:24:36
you know, in his head. And which is a good thing as far
00:24:40
as like, oh, I'm, I got the strength to fight you.
00:24:42
But it's a bad thing because he won't be focused on, you know,
00:24:45
what's happening around him and, you know, and all that kind of
00:24:49
stuff. And he's not calculating when
00:24:51
he's in that mindset. Yeah.
00:24:55
But yeah, that's, I'm, I'm glad they didn't give us the little
00:24:59
horror drama because I was like, oh, that's all we need.
00:25:02
We didn't need it. Yeah, I know Julia's better
00:25:05
woman than to be whining about that kind of stuff, but you
00:25:08
know, they like to do that to us sometimes.
00:25:10
Right. I mean, they have enough to.
00:25:12
Right, and you you definitely and you definitely know how she
00:25:15
they are. So like I can't even see that
00:25:19
hurting their relationship, but it's just will be some little
00:25:22
drama we have for 10 minutes. So that was the right decision.
00:25:26
Oh, so she cares about Claire's parents now?
00:25:29
I'm just joking since they're thrown to the wolves, but OK.
00:25:36
I think just overall this story wise, she's like, OK, look.
00:25:41
These are not my. Character.
00:25:42
No, I think she cares for them now, like, oh, I didn't think
00:25:45
you know what? You know what?
00:25:48
I see that I see this. I you know what?
00:25:51
I have a story for them. Now I think all together she
00:25:55
just wants it to be a good show, you know?
00:25:58
Granted, right. And to fit though to, but to fit
00:26:02
though, yeah. So that doesn't fit them.
00:26:06
That doesn't. And we kind of had this little
00:26:09
bit with Jamie and Claire. We don't really.
00:26:11
Need. To do this again, right?
00:26:14
It feels like we don't need to do this again.
00:26:17
Went through it again. Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes.
00:26:20
And Jamie way overreacted way like.
00:26:25
Jamie and Claire, both hot heads.
00:26:28
They are both. Hot Heads was being nasty about
00:26:31
Leary and I'm like, it's been 20 years.
00:26:34
Yeah, but you know what? I, I kind of, I kind of felt
00:26:38
clear. And you this was like sent me to
00:26:40
the to the witch trials. No, I get it.
00:26:43
I know, but I get it. But even with Jamie, like dude,
00:26:48
like this, this was like sympathy sex.
00:26:50
They really just wanted to feel close to you.
00:26:53
Like get over it. And first of all, this man been
00:26:56
taking care of your son for years.
00:26:57
You better get over it. Yourself but and almost married
00:27:01
your daughter to save her as well like he's willing to do.
00:27:04
Thank you. So get over it every time.
00:27:09
Yeah. So yeah.
00:27:13
Yeah, but Jamie and Claire are, are very much hot heads, both of
00:27:16
them. And that is something that I've
00:27:18
noticed. Like, I don't know where Claire,
00:27:20
Claire gets that temper from because it's not from Henry and
00:27:23
from Julia because those two are so and I don't want to stay
00:27:28
calm. But Julia especially Julia
00:27:31
really sits there and she thinks things through.
00:27:33
She doesn't fly things through. She doesn't get upset because
00:27:36
even even when she was talking to Lord Lovett and she was
00:27:40
telling him, look, you might need to let this, this Grant
00:27:43
thing go, 'cause it ain't doing you no favors.
00:27:45
And he was like, hold your tongue, woman.
00:27:47
You don't know what it is for. You know, a wounded man's pride.
00:27:51
And she was like, I'm just saying that our son is going to
00:27:54
be king and soon they're going to be bowing to you anyway.
00:27:57
You're worried about the wrong thing.
00:27:58
Like she really, like you said, not just manipulation, but she
00:28:02
understands how to read him and get him to kind of like calm the
00:28:09
fuck down because you over here, Matt, what are you going to do?
00:28:13
These are the same people who ousted you out of high society.
00:28:18
These are the people who look down on you.
00:28:20
What? What are you going to do?
00:28:22
Right? They already they don't like
00:28:24
you. They don't respect you.
00:28:26
You don't really have friends in that circle.
00:28:29
So getting mad and getting upset and calling them out names, how
00:28:33
is that going to help your position?
00:28:35
Is is not? That's the thing, like if she
00:28:38
could have been really his wife, she would have had that.
00:28:40
She would have had him back in power.
00:28:42
Oh, absolutely. Looking into her to be honest
00:28:46
'cause she's. She was thinking.
00:28:49
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't know where.
00:28:52
Claire gets the hot headedness 'cause it did definitely didn't
00:28:55
come from a Mama. Yeah, and I don't think we've,
00:28:57
we've really seen Henry lose his temper like that either.
00:29:01
Now, when he found out that they lied to him, he was upset,
00:29:05
right? So even with that, it wasn't a
00:29:07
oh, let me go and kill them or let me go and do this.
00:29:11
It's OK. You know what?
00:29:12
I just need to get out of here. I need to go.
00:29:16
I think maybe Claire got it just from like going through nursing
00:29:19
and being in the war and dealing, having to deal with men
00:29:22
in her face and, and, and in the military.
00:29:25
And she probably just got like no nonsense.
00:29:28
Like, look, I don't even shot at, I don't sew people up.
00:29:31
I don't cut arms off. You need to get up out of my
00:29:33
face. You know, that may be more of
00:29:35
why she's like she is. And then she's obviously a
00:29:38
little bit more modern because it's in the 40s or late 30s,
00:29:42
early 40s. And and it's, and you see that
00:29:46
and you see that a lot too, where you'll be like, oh, those
00:29:49
two people are so like calm and collective.
00:29:52
And then they have a kid that's like coming off the ceilings and
00:29:55
and swinging from the fan. He was like, like how you get
00:30:06
that key? So that that's just they who had
00:30:08
a fiery, she was going to be fiery.
00:30:10
She's just fiery. So it was like 2 water people
00:30:14
came together. I'm just throwing them some
00:30:16
signs out there. 2 water people came together and they had fire.
00:30:20
I you know, it happens. Those look, those recessive
00:30:25
genes on both sides just came together and it became a storm.
00:30:32
2 waters came together. They were calm.
00:30:34
Waters came together, created a storm there.
00:30:36
You go that, that, that sounds like right?
00:30:41
Yeah. And it actually kind of makes me
00:30:43
want to know more about even their parents and their history
00:30:48
and like where they they came from because they, it's probably
00:30:51
a grandparent, just like how Jamie would tell Brianna you,
00:30:55
you like your grandmama and whatever, whatever.
00:30:57
It's probably some of that and, and, and what's her name?
00:31:01
Julia or something, You know, like, yeah, but no more.
00:31:08
I, you know, again, she might not.
00:31:11
They might. Those characters might be dead
00:31:13
to her. I'm actually thrilled with the
00:31:16
fact that they've put them in here.
00:31:18
I love learning more about them and learning more about players
00:31:23
background. And yeah, I'm, I'm enjoying
00:31:27
their part of the story. I again, I'm still reading
00:31:29
things online where people are like, I really don't care about
00:31:32
those characters. Whatever.
00:31:34
Really. Yes, yes, I just.
00:31:40
I don't understand. That yeah, I don't either, but I
00:31:42
don't. Understand why they I?
00:31:44
Have to like them. We like them enough for
00:31:45
everybody. Because, you know, Harry and
00:31:48
Julia's story, again, to me, I feel like it's more intriguing
00:31:52
because it's the story that we don't know anything about.
00:31:55
So the fact that they're giving, right?
00:31:57
That's how I feel. Like even I was telling Dina
00:32:00
before we started recording my daughter, my oldest daughter was
00:32:04
over here this past weekend and she watched the 1st 2 episodes
00:32:09
and she's familiar with Outland. I think she stopped watching
00:32:13
somewhere in the early part of the Christie storyline.
00:32:17
So she hasn't gotten to the end yet.
00:32:21
But you know, she, she started watching it and it's like as
00:32:25
people were coming on the screen, she had to keep stopping
00:32:28
because she was so amazed with the casting and how much they
00:32:33
match the people, you know, as far as the older versions of
00:32:36
themselves. But then as we're watching and
00:32:39
she's, you know, she's watching Henry and Julia's story.
00:32:43
Like she's falling in love. She's like, oh, they fell in
00:32:45
love writing letters and this, that right, that whole thing.
00:32:50
And then I told her, I said, I'm just going to let you know, I
00:32:53
said probably by the end of the season, Henry is going to be one
00:32:58
of your favorite characters. She said he's already my
00:33:00
favorite character. So yeah, like, I don't know.
00:33:04
Maybe it's just that we're open to the possibilities.
00:33:08
Like we're not holding soul. And that could also be because
00:33:12
all of us, well, I'm, I think I'm the only one out of the
00:33:14
three of us who have read all the books.
00:33:16
But I started as a show person first.
00:33:19
So even though the books are Canon, the books are not so
00:33:22
Canon to me that I'm like, OK, well, if they don't follow the
00:33:25
books, I'm not going to enjoy the show.
00:33:26
No, because I started enjoying the show 1st.
00:33:29
And I think that could be part of the disconnect.
00:33:32
The people who were book fans first, they are the ones who are
00:33:36
usually, oh, I don't like the changes they've made.
00:33:39
They're veering away from the story.
00:33:41
They did this, they did that, and maybe that's the reason why
00:33:45
they can't really find themselves.
00:33:47
In it. Henry and Julia's story because
00:33:50
like that Diana says those characters are not real to her.
00:33:54
I think probably for the book people, it's it's kind of the
00:33:58
same thing. They're like, OK, well, her
00:34:00
parents are dead. Why do I want to read this
00:34:02
background? Especially if Diana says they're
00:34:03
not time travelers. Well, you know what?
00:34:06
Yeah, she said it. And this might be just be
00:34:09
glorified fan fiction. Whatever it is, I love it.
00:34:12
I love fan fiction. So especially if it's done
00:34:14
right. And I'm sorry, this story, it's
00:34:18
done right. It's it's being handled with
00:34:21
love and care and respect, especially as it relates to the
00:34:26
original characters. That's that's how I feel, right?
00:34:30
You know, so, but we got to wait until next season to see what's
00:34:35
going on with Henry and Julia. We know that they may have been
00:34:39
separated at the Stones, or they may have all gone through, or
00:34:43
maybe none of them went through. Oh my God, if the baby's on the
00:34:45
ground when they come back. You know what?
00:34:48
I I don't think. That's going to happen, I think.
00:34:53
They can't do that. He was trying to do the thing
00:34:56
like Jamie did with Claire. He was trying to, you know,
00:34:58
guide Julia's hand to the stone. He must not know his wife
00:35:03
because his wife is probably like, excuse me, if you're going
00:35:06
to be here, I'm going to be here too.
00:35:07
She probably didn't go through. I'm, I'm thinking they all
00:35:10
probably either they all went or they all stayed.
00:35:14
But I'm, I don't think they've separate.
00:35:16
I don't think they're separated. That's what I'm crossing my
00:35:20
fingers. Yeah, I just didn't have other
00:35:24
drama. Yeah, after they get through,
00:35:26
but let them be together, yeah, because.
00:35:28
Here's the thing. Julia has said from the
00:35:32
beginning, from the time they brought her to Castle Leathers,
00:35:36
that she did not belong there, that she had a husband and a
00:35:39
daughter. I mean, she told that to Miss
00:35:40
Porter. Now, I don't know whether or not
00:35:43
Lord Lovett knew, but he knew that she was.
00:35:47
She was saying that she didn't belong.
00:35:48
She was kidnapped, yeah. She was like, I'm from Hyde Park
00:35:52
in London, I'm not supposed to be here.
00:35:55
So if you all of a sudden, you know, get brought this this guy,
00:36:00
she says, well, this is my husband.
00:36:03
OK, guess what? One that just invalidated your
00:36:06
own nuptials. Maybe because we do.
00:36:10
We do know Balik will probably try to kill Henry to be like,
00:36:13
oh, OK, well, nobody else knows that this is your husband not
00:36:16
knowing that there are some people who know that that's her
00:36:19
husband. But I mean, it could be that
00:36:22
kind of drama because at this point, he already knew that she
00:36:26
was pregnant before they they consummate it because Miss
00:36:30
Porter told him so. Really, if you end up with egg
00:36:36
on your face, it's all your fault because everything has
00:36:39
been telling you that this woman is not yours.
00:36:41
This child is not yours from the beginning.
00:36:44
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he can't deny that.
00:36:47
She definitely told him. She thought that Julia was
00:36:49
lying, right? She was.
00:36:51
I'm a woman. I know these things.
00:36:54
I know what it's like. And she was like, he's, she told
00:36:57
him. And he's my my band.
00:37:01
OK, OK Papa, now you know part of that is is May's response
00:37:05
because when when your seer is very kind of non committal to
00:37:10
your questions then that does plant that.
00:37:15
Yes, yes, there's a Prince. Just not your.
00:37:19
Prince, not your Prince. I need to go back and watch
00:37:25
that. Yeah, that that I think, I think
00:37:28
I will go back and just watch that episode just to kind of see
00:37:31
if there are any clues that they took from that particular
00:37:34
episode and put into this storyline, you know, as far as
00:37:38
Lord love it goes. But OK, so so right now, Julia
00:37:45
and Henry's fate is up in the air.
00:37:47
Up in the air. Gotta wait till next season.
00:37:50
So with that being said, let's move on over to the other
00:37:55
castle. And let's talk about, and that's
00:37:59
a whole soap opera, so much going on where you want to
00:38:05
start, where you want to start. Do you want to start Doogu
00:38:09
first? Let's let's.
00:38:13
Start from the beginning because you get to see when when the
00:38:17
episode starts and it's this part you see a bride coming down
00:38:22
the aisle. And I noticed on my rewatch they
00:38:26
were very particular with the camera shots to show certain
00:38:31
people like you got to see misfits game and she's in there
00:38:33
crying. You see Dougal and Column and
00:38:37
the one thing that I think I noticed that I didn't pay
00:38:40
attention the first time I watched, I was like, why is
00:38:43
Dougal not dressed more formally or, you know, kind of similarly
00:38:48
to Column and to everybody else? Because Dougal had on the, the
00:38:53
tartan, everybody else had on like the formal dress, the
00:38:58
formal coat suits and the, all this other stuff.
00:39:01
I didn't think anything of it. And then of course, they, you
00:39:04
know, they tell us earlier, what was it?
00:39:06
The the day before, 2 days before something right?
00:39:09
The name before. And, and you start to see Ellen
00:39:14
doing her preparations. You see her doing her walk,
00:39:18
being approached by MC Ranik with his little gift.
00:39:24
You know, I I was watching this and I was like, you know, the
00:39:33
fact that Ellen probably could have had her own pick of whoever
00:39:37
she wanted, you know, out of all the unwed men, like, yeah, I get
00:39:44
it, you got Malcolm Grant. Malcolm is so devoted to you,
00:39:47
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Macronic probably could have
00:39:51
been just as decent to her. I mean, we don't know.
00:39:53
All we know is that he was Dougal's choice for her, you
00:39:56
know, yeah, you know, for the Jacobite cause, blah, blah,
00:39:59
blah, blah, blah. But I was sitting there the
00:40:02
whole episode listening to all of these different accounts of,
00:40:06
you know, people declaring their love for Ellen and, you know,
00:40:11
Maura Grant later on when Ellen does the the poem and she takes
00:40:15
a piss to it. Yeah, Like, you know, Malcolm
00:40:19
has had his heart set on you since he was seven.
00:40:22
First of all, that's the first problem because you're taking a
00:40:26
childhood crushing. You're trying to apply it to an
00:40:30
adult. Like, Yep.
00:40:32
I know we talk about the way that they do things romantically
00:40:36
in this century and in these times, like, you know, most
00:40:40
people, they fall in love at first sight or, you know,
00:40:42
whatever the case may be. But it was it was like as much
00:40:47
as I like Malcolm Grant as a character, I and I do.
00:40:51
He's a good man. I understand everything.
00:40:57
I was just at a point where I was like, I really think she is
00:41:01
not going through this wedding, you know, because before we find
00:41:06
out all the the stuff that happens, I was like, I really
00:41:08
hope this is not her. Like, is she gonna leave him at
00:41:11
the altar? Like I thought it was about to
00:41:13
be a a Whitley moment and Wayne Wayne moment.
00:41:20
Like Brian's going to come in and be like, no, I want to be
00:41:22
with you, baby. Please.
00:41:25
It should have been something. Like.
00:41:27
That, but it it it was just Ellen's whole demeanor that
00:41:33
whole time. You just look and she just seems
00:41:37
so resigned to her fate. And I was just like, this is not
00:41:41
the Ellen I want to look at for a whole another season.
00:41:45
Like you never you never in the in the main show, you know that
00:41:50
she and Brian elopes, but you never hear about the
00:41:53
circumstances. Like we were trying to figure
00:41:55
out, OK, So what happened? Was she with Malcolm?
00:41:58
Did she end up leaving him? Did they not go through with it?
00:42:01
Like, everything at the beginning of this episode kind
00:42:03
of points to she's about to go through with this wedding, but
00:42:06
she looks so sad and so Ellen. Like.
00:42:13
She didn't look like herself. Yeah.
00:42:15
And I was just like OK so how are they about to play this out
00:42:18
now? I wasn't expecting it to play
00:42:20
out the way that it did up until Dougal was in the damn thing
00:42:25
screwing with the the ladies maid and Maura Grant comes in.
00:42:29
When she said her name, I said, oh, because this is the same
00:42:34
wife that Dougal had his fit about when she died in the main
00:42:38
show when he was dating Gaylis and he got word of his wife
00:42:43
dying. This is the wife, that's what.
00:42:49
I I had to look it up. I.
00:42:50
Thought so, but they. Pointed her name out so clearly,
00:42:53
yeah. Yeah, I.
00:42:55
Glad, glad that I looked it up and I was like, oh.
00:42:58
Yeah, that that was the same woman.
00:43:00
Yeah. Soon as her reaction to him
00:43:02
wasn't one of like, she wasn't flabbergasted.
00:43:05
Her clutch, she wasn't clutching her pearls.
00:43:07
I was like, Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, me too.
00:43:12
And I just figured they will get married later, though I didn't
00:43:15
think it would be them who got married.
00:43:17
I wasn't putting that together at all.
00:43:20
I just thought that they were going to, you know, have some
00:43:22
fun and somehow that ends up being his wife.
00:43:26
Yeah, I thought so too. I was.
00:43:29
So that was a that was a surprise.
00:43:31
I was like, somehow let me go back though to right.
00:43:36
And she's so like, she wasn't taken aback with him doing those
00:43:42
things, you know? But the girl up there, but you
00:43:45
got all he was. She was right.
00:43:47
But you got offended when we playing The Bachelorette.
00:43:51
Game over. Yeah.
00:43:52
Yeah. Because I had to do.
00:43:54
What about your brother? I was like, Boo, that let you
00:43:58
know that somebody wasn't under her spell.
00:44:00
Somebody knew. She really didn't want that boy.
00:44:03
The sister knew. Which is true.
00:44:05
Let's again we forget Ellen is live.
00:44:09
How? But how?
00:44:11
However, I was like, ma'am, you didn't have to come to this
00:44:15
party. Now me, me and the sister's
00:44:18
having a good time and you ruin it.
00:44:20
Wait, what? That's how he felt.
00:44:22
I wasn't talking about him. Did I say your?
00:44:25
We're just drinking word games. In fact.
00:44:28
That Jacosta got on her ass. Jacosta.
00:44:30
Was like. Right.
00:44:33
She was like, we over here trying to have a good time.
00:44:36
Ain't nobody thinking about your brother's looks, but if we were.
00:44:39
Right. We sisters, we can fight.
00:44:42
Ain't nobody else come for you, Boo.
00:44:43
Let. Me tell you so.
00:44:46
I know I say Jacosta gets on my nerves sometimes.
00:44:50
But I mean. When I say she stepped up in
00:44:53
this episode for her sister and all it took was an apology from
00:44:58
Ellen, a sincere apology, like sincere apology.
00:45:02
Exactly. I didn't know what was going on.
00:45:04
She was like, I know all these other things that taught taught
00:45:07
me all these other things. I understand how to how to run a
00:45:10
household and all this other stuff.
00:45:12
But the other things I didn't know, you know, because Ellen
00:45:16
was so dead set about getting married.
00:45:19
Why would she take the time to learn these things or to learn
00:45:21
what makes a marriage good or what makes 1 happy?
00:45:26
She's just like, oh, OK, if she's like, she's thinking the
00:45:30
way the men think, oh, it's a good match.
00:45:32
You know, you're going to go to this household and be rich and
00:45:36
be a high lady or whatever. You should be happy.
00:45:40
And now that she's on the other side of it, she sees, oh, OK,
00:45:43
you know what? There is a little bit more to
00:45:45
that. Like, and we saw that a couple
00:45:48
of episodes ago with her and Jacosta.
00:45:49
She was like, look, I didn't realize that this takes so much
00:45:54
away from us as women, you know, And, and when she said that
00:45:59
apology, apology to Jacosta, Jacosta was like, So what is his
00:46:03
trick? She was like, no, I just really
00:46:05
realized I owe you an apology. And then she also apologized to
00:46:08
Jan. And Jan was like, I'm good.
00:46:11
I like what I'm I'm good. I like my.
00:46:13
Husband right now, yeah. But that's the other thing about
00:46:16
Ellen that's dumb is like. You.
00:46:18
Clearly chose to ignore what women go through in marriage.
00:46:24
If you didn't understand, because I thought that was the
00:46:27
main reason she didn't want to get married.
00:46:29
It's 'cause she wanted to make sure she picked the perfect
00:46:31
person for herself. Because like you can tell,
00:46:34
Jacosta has been miserable with her sick sweats, nasty, whatever
00:46:39
she got going on over there. And you know, she could, I can
00:46:43
only she probably looked at her brother and his wife and they
00:46:45
how they react to each other. So it's like I feel like she,
00:46:50
she, well, I feel like it was more about her choice being
00:46:52
taken away that was the issue more than her not really
00:46:55
knowing. Well, I think also, if if you
00:46:59
think about the the like she mentioned her mother when she
00:47:03
was talking to Malcolm's uncle and she was talking about how
00:47:07
her mother was a good was a Good Wife to her dad.
00:47:11
So it also could be that, you know, it seems like Red Jacob
00:47:16
loved his wife. You know, maybe that's what she
00:47:20
was holding out for. She was like, oh, OK, well, I
00:47:22
don't have to go through all this other stuff.
00:47:24
I can just wait for this. Or maybe she just didn't want to
00:47:27
get married period. Because all the conversations
00:47:30
that we heard her having with read Jacob, it was never about I
00:47:35
want to marry for love. She was like, I don't want to
00:47:38
get married, you know, She was like, we got, we got two of them
00:47:42
married off already. We're good.
00:47:45
Right. It's not like it's not like all
00:47:48
the girls need to be married to save our to save our lives.
00:47:51
But then you find out, yes, it was 'cause it was not the money.
00:47:56
Right. But I think also to the other
00:47:58
thing with Ellen is and, and this is probably naive on her
00:48:03
part. Maybe at some point she really
00:48:06
thought that her dad would would somehow defy tradition and name
00:48:12
her Laird or put her in charge as a successor.
00:48:17
Because he not died. For all conversations that they
00:48:20
had, he made it seem like that was his choice.
00:48:24
Yeah, he very clearly made it known that he had a preference
00:48:29
for Ellen. Like, everybody knows it.
00:48:31
The kids know it. All the clans people know it.
00:48:35
They knew that Ellen was his favorite.
00:48:37
So maybe somewhere in her brain, however little part that was,
00:48:42
maybe she thought, OK, you know what, maybe dad will leave me in
00:48:45
charge now she. Probably had that intention and
00:48:50
'cause it's not like they knew he was gonna die, you know, he
00:48:53
just, you know, I was sudden. So he might have actually had
00:48:56
that intention, which is also very sad.
00:48:59
Yeah. 'Cause you could have put it in
00:49:00
right, Sir. Right.
00:49:04
Yeah. And you could you could have
00:49:06
been like the catalyst for change.
00:49:08
Yeah. But you know, also, if you think
00:49:11
about some of the things that we've heard about him through
00:49:15
this season, that might not have stuck either because Ned even
00:49:19
says he was like, your father was not well liked in these
00:49:21
parts. Like he was the lair, but nobody
00:49:23
really cared for him. It's.
00:49:26
Crazy. So, you know, he probably could
00:49:29
have said, OK, well, I'm leaving Ellen in charge, and his people
00:49:32
probably would have revolted or whatever it is they do in the
00:49:35
clans when they don't agree because they would have been
00:49:38
like, OK, we really don't like you now because now you're
00:49:42
trying to put a woman in charge of us.
00:49:44
How dare you? Yeah, you know, just so dumb.
00:49:49
But at least she got her apology off.
00:49:51
And, like, from then on, her and Jacosta were tight.
00:49:54
And I loved it because Jacosta is the one who actually
00:49:59
technically kind of saved her because Brian, I don't know what
00:50:02
Brian was thinking. And I need to know what it is
00:50:05
about the black hair that people keep saying we've never seen in
00:50:08
hair as black as you're like. What is it about the black hair?
00:50:13
So what I was thinking about that is that like the red and
00:50:17
the black were kind of both things that happened, but they
00:50:21
were still so like so different, you know, still like that maybe
00:50:28
we. Had a lot of.
00:50:30
A lot of brown, deep Browns. And red, when you you do, you
00:50:35
see a lot of Browns. You see a lot of Browns.
00:50:38
And who are red, They're red. And then it slowly comes into
00:50:42
brunettes and stuff. No one has jet black hair.
00:50:46
'Cause it's like, you know, I used to dye my hair jet black
00:50:50
because I thought my hair was black until I used to dye my
00:50:52
hair jet black. And I was like, oh, he's like,
00:50:55
that is a big difference between real, actual black hair.
00:50:59
And, and so technically our hair ain't really black when we think
00:51:02
it's black typically. So I guess he is was so black
00:51:05
that it's just like, this is wild.
00:51:08
Like, but where would that even come from?
00:51:09
I wonder, 'cause his dad is just as red, you know?
00:51:14
And Davina ain't ain't super dark, right?
00:51:17
She dark, but she ain't jet black.
00:51:19
Yeah. So so I don't know, but you
00:51:21
know, they mentioned it also when he was there for for the
00:51:26
little games that they did after red Jacob died.
00:51:29
You know, when they when the the quote UN quote suitors were, you
00:51:34
know, giving him a a tough time, They were like, who who are you
00:51:37
and where are you from? We don't, we don't see hair that
00:51:39
black around in these parts, you know?
00:51:43
But but yeah, when when he actually makes the plan and we
00:51:50
got to go back to him and Murtha because Dina and I were, Dina
00:51:54
was texting me the whole time she was watching the episode.
00:51:58
And she was like, they don't deserve Murtha.
00:52:01
Murtha, let me tell you. And I said I know Michelle, but
00:52:06
Murtha also coming in the clutch, you know?
00:52:10
It's being there at the right time.
00:52:14
Right, sitting there, yes, he's talking to Brian.
00:52:16
Cause Brian is still upset because of Ellen's breakup.
00:52:20
And Merta's like, OK, hold up, let's think this through.
00:52:23
Let's be smart about this. He was like, so think, don't
00:52:28
think about what she said. What were her eyes telling you?
00:52:30
And this is something I was like, yeah, I can imagine older
00:52:33
Merta saying something like this.
00:52:34
I really can. And he was like, you know, her
00:52:37
eyes did it. It didn't match.
00:52:39
You know, her eyes were saying one thing, her voice was saying
00:52:41
another. He was like, and what does what
00:52:43
does your heart tell you? That I would love her for the
00:52:45
rest of my life. And Mirtha was like, yeah, I was
00:52:47
like, yeah, Mirtha's like, Yep, I understand that feeling.
00:52:51
And you get to like, Brian really gives him an apology,
00:52:54
man. Like, look, Mirtha, I'm so
00:52:55
sorry. Mirtha's like, OK, you know what
00:52:58
he was like, I understand this. But let me tell you, she loves
00:53:01
you. She has, like, anybody can look
00:53:03
at her and see. And I was like, yeah.
00:53:06
Which is why it's so weird that nobody else is paying attention
00:53:09
because every time he's there, her gaze is there.
00:53:14
But OK, whatever. Yeah.
00:53:17
Yeah, especially the I don't even know if it was the last
00:53:21
episode, the other episode when they were in public.
00:53:23
Like you can clearly see y'all want each other.
00:53:27
Sitting there touching hands and stuff.
00:53:30
Yeah. Yeah, but while they're sitting
00:53:33
there talking, here comes the Gallow glass again after them.
00:53:37
Now, this is what I thought during those scenes.
00:53:41
I was like, these are the hired assassins.
00:53:44
These are the ones that everybody's so scared of because
00:53:48
Brian and Murtha made quick work of them.
00:53:51
The end. They were also, I will say they
00:53:53
were also kind of overweight and old.
00:53:56
But again, these are these are the assumptions that everyone is
00:53:59
scared of. Like these are the ones that
00:54:01
when column threatened Dougal, Dougal straightened the fuck up
00:54:05
and was like oh let me see about all my confessions.
00:54:09
He did, but they ain't had them young bucks to fight.
00:54:14
You can't raise the bucks, baby. Because first of all, you let
00:54:18
them get away from you. The first time you had you had a
00:54:21
simple target you and if you have been the half the assassin
00:54:26
you should have been, then that first time you fired that arrow
00:54:29
at him you should have hit you should have hit your target,
00:54:33
Brian should have gone down. That should be the end of
00:54:35
everything. What kind of assassins are you?
00:54:41
I mean, you shot what, 3 arrows at him and missed before he took
00:54:47
off running. And then of course Murta
00:54:48
intervened and and saved him And then you come back, he throws an
00:54:54
axe at one of you, which I was like when I saw the axe I said
00:54:57
yeah, they they're not going to fare too well with this because
00:55:01
Brian is an ace at the axe throwing.
00:55:05
So he gets that guy, he comes over, stabs him merchants over
00:55:08
here fighting with the other guy when he cut that man across his,
00:55:12
his hamstring. Who I.
00:55:16
Was like, oh, he's not getting up.
00:55:19
Then he cuts his throat and you have the third assassin and it
00:55:24
was just out there. Just out there.
00:55:27
Then you have the third assassin, who Brian gets with a
00:55:30
bow and arrow and talk. About how he was the worst
00:55:35
assassin of them all, because how do you take your attention
00:55:37
out the person he's supposed to be killing?
00:55:40
You ain't great. You ain't watching your
00:55:41
surroundings. You you won't see.
00:55:44
Oh come on now, you shouldn't buy he shouldn't make out of
00:55:47
like that for. For the one that you look, this
00:55:50
is not the Martha is not even the one you're getting paid to
00:55:52
kill, but that's the one you actually hit and and injure.
00:55:59
When when when Mertha took the arrow to the last old Michelle
00:56:02
gonna be pissed. I know 'cause he.
00:56:08
God damn it he get hurt. But that's OK, we have seen him
00:56:11
fight in the future. So I'm fine.
00:56:14
Yeah, Yeah, I'm fine with that. But you know what?
00:56:16
They do not deserve him. No.
00:56:19
And I'm mad that he didn't have a love of his own.
00:56:24
Yeah, well, for a little bit he had the cost.
00:56:26
But like the stuff he was saying to Ellen when he gave her that
00:56:29
gift, I could have cried. I know.
00:56:33
It was so beautiful. That is the most romantic thing.
00:56:37
And then she already knew. She was like, oh, we'll keep
00:56:41
this to ourselves, right? He knew this man is coming with
00:56:45
his whole heart. I was just like.
00:56:50
Yeah, but yeah. And that's why he take care of,
00:56:58
that's why he take care of JB. That baby boy.
00:57:02
Yeah, yeah. But when Brian had that third
00:57:05
assassin and he was asking him like, who hired you, Who hired
00:57:09
you? I think at the end of the last
00:57:12
episode, we weren't sure who are.
00:57:15
And then we got a comment on our YouTube video for the last
00:57:21
episode where someone said, I think it was Column because of
00:57:25
what he said to Ellen. He was like, yeah, I won't harm
00:57:31
him or cause him harm from this point on.
00:57:35
I Yep, you know, them, them the Mackenzie's, they sneak you with
00:57:39
their words. Because even in this episode,
00:57:42
when Ellen goes to talk to Column, she's very clever with
00:57:45
her words. So she's very careful with the
00:57:47
things that she says to him. Yeah.
00:57:50
You know when when the assassin does realize, you know, when he
00:57:53
does reveal that it's column and Martha was like, why do you
00:57:57
think they disliked you so much that they would actually spend
00:58:00
the money to kill you? Like what?
00:58:02
Money they ain't got. But column was like, Oh no, I'm
00:58:07
going to pay this money to guarantee I will get the grant
00:58:09
money later on. I'm going to make sure he was
00:58:12
trying to eliminate all obstacles.
00:58:15
But unfortunately, you know, like you said, the gala glass,
00:58:18
they, you know their reputation does not perceive.
00:58:23
Them and The thing is, you know what it also because like like
00:58:26
they are, they were a little chunky and a little old.
00:58:28
I do wonder if they're old school, you know, coming up
00:58:32
reputation was so fierce that they grew up hearing about the
00:58:36
gala glass. And that's why I scared do go so
00:58:38
bad because I don't I don't think these are the gala glass
00:58:43
bodies that people remember. But you know the other thing,
00:58:47
too, it could be that as assassins, as paid assassins,
00:58:51
maybe they're a little more sneaky.
00:58:53
Like they come at. They come, you know, find you at
00:58:56
night while you're asleep, or they attack you when you're not,
00:58:59
you know, when you're not paying attention.
00:59:02
Yeah, they're not really paying attention.
00:59:03
Right. And like I said, if it had been,
00:59:05
maybe if it had been anybody else other than Brian, yeah,
00:59:09
they probably would have been successful.
00:59:13
But we already see, we, we already know Brian is, is a
00:59:16
skilled fighter, right? He pays attention to his
00:59:19
surroundings. And then also because of who he
00:59:22
is being Simon Fraser's bastard, he kind of has to be like, OK,
00:59:27
you know what? I got to pay attention to my
00:59:29
surroundings because he knows people don't like his dad.
00:59:32
And they may take out whatever that dislike for his dad is on
00:59:37
him just out of, you know, spite or whatever.
00:59:42
So which is very sad. Yeah, it is.
00:59:46
But yeah, after that, Brian is like, OK, you know what?
00:59:51
I got to go get my woman. I got to, I got to figure this
00:59:53
out now him knocking the dude out while while the dude is
00:59:58
peeing so he can get the grant tartan.
01:00:00
I was like, OK, that's clever. But it was so weird because I
01:00:03
was like, I don't like you in these colors.
01:00:07
And not only that, where did you put your Frasier tartan?
01:00:10
Because if that guy wakes up and there's Frasier tartan next to
01:00:14
him, he's gonna. So I was worried about that.
01:00:21
Thankfully, that didn't come into play.
01:00:22
We didn't have to worry about that.
01:00:24
But The funny thing was when he when he sneaks into the castle
01:00:31
and he kind of, you know, makes this makeshift gift like he's
01:00:35
gonna, you know, give it to Ellen from Malcolm and who is
01:00:38
the person he comes into contact with is Jacosta.
01:00:42
And Jacosta is like I've seen you before.
01:00:46
I saw you at Braemar, you with Murtha and you had on Fraser
01:00:49
tart and Brian's looking like, oh shit, I'm caught.
01:00:56
But luckily, Jacosta is like I said, she's in a very good mood.
01:01:01
She and her sister have made-up they're they're, you know, being
01:01:05
friendly again. And then when she hears what's
01:01:08
going on and she takes him to Ellen's bedchamber and Missus
01:01:14
Fitz is like, he got to go. She said, no, you need to hear
01:01:19
this. He probably say this.
01:01:21
She was like, let him say what he came to say.
01:01:24
She's like, he risked his life to be here.
01:01:27
Let Aaron Ellen hear it because at this point, she's probably
01:01:29
like, if Ellen still says go away, OK, at least I did my
01:01:34
part. You said your part.
01:01:36
She's made her decision. Let's go.
01:01:39
Thankfully, all they had to say was column tried to have him
01:01:42
kill. Excuse me?
01:01:43
What? Oh, guess what?
01:01:44
I don't have to keep my promise now.
01:01:46
I don't have to make. I don't have to go through with
01:01:47
this new wedding 'cause I really think.
01:01:51
I really think that if Brian had not shown up, if she hadn't
01:01:55
found out about Column, I really think she would have gone
01:01:58
through with that wedding because she is about protecting
01:02:04
her, right? She would have.
01:02:09
But when she, when she went in to talk to Column, I felt again,
01:02:16
I felt a smidgen of empathy for him because when she walked in,
01:02:22
I think that's the first time when he sees her, that's the
01:02:25
first look of genuine pleasure that I've seen on his face.
01:02:30
Like, he looked really happy to see her.
01:02:32
Yeah. Even the way he spoke her name,
01:02:35
he was like, oh, I'm happy. This is my sister.
01:02:38
And then, of course, he starts talking about the clan stuff.
01:02:41
And I was like, yeah, he's just happy because he's about to get
01:02:44
what he wants. He's about to make sure that his
01:02:45
clan is, you know, out of debt. He's going to be OK.
01:02:50
And you could just like, I was like, are you so that out of
01:02:55
touch with your, your sister, who you were so close to before
01:03:00
all of this stuff happened, that you are not reading her face,
01:03:03
that you do not see the displeasure on her face, that
01:03:06
you didn't hear the tone of voice when she said, is there
01:03:09
anything else you wish to burden me with?
01:03:12
Like she already knows. And you can see his face kind of
01:03:17
go, Oh. And then he, he was like, no,
01:03:20
she tutored that eyebrow up. I said, I said, he, he needs to
01:03:25
pay attention to her face, 'cause you sitting here saying
01:03:28
all this stuff. Oh yeah.
01:03:30
This is what we're going to show them for our loyalty.
01:03:33
And you know, we do this for our love of you.
01:03:36
And she, you can see she, she wanted to go off.
01:03:40
She. Wanted to go.
01:03:41
Off and she wanted to cry, but she she held her own.
01:03:44
She was just like and. Hey, for him to say that and oh,
01:03:49
and I, you know, I hope we can share with each other one day.
01:03:52
I'm like, you know, you did. Like, we can, you know, I hope
01:03:57
that we're still close as we've been all these years.
01:04:00
Because she was like, why would you want me to?
01:04:03
You're not going to be worried about another man's wife, right?
01:04:05
He was like, Ellen, you're my sister.
01:04:08
And I was like, yeah, you should have said that shit to her a
01:04:10
couple of episodes ago when you were like, oh, yeah, you're
01:04:14
going to stay. You know, you're going to be
01:04:16
living the life that you're used to by our good graces.
01:04:20
You didn't. You weren't sounding like oh,
01:04:22
you're my dear beloved sister then.
01:04:24
And how close we are. I was like, and then she was
01:04:29
like, well, let's just be the last thing that you have to do
01:04:32
in my name more for love. For my love of me, baby.
01:04:37
And then she said, well, I need to go now and prepare for my
01:04:41
future. I said, she's giving you an
01:04:46
opportunity to loosen that noose from around your neck.
01:04:50
And you are so prideful and you think you know what you're doing
01:04:54
and you're the smartest of the bunch and everything that you
01:04:58
don't even see it. Like you don't see the change in
01:05:04
her body language. You don't see the look on her
01:05:07
face. You don't see the way when she
01:05:08
turned around, the way she looked at the room.
01:05:10
Like this will be the last time I look at this room.
01:05:13
Yep. There was a little bit of that
01:05:16
pride and also anxiety, you know, of, of what's to come and
01:05:22
like he just just smile and nod. Because The thing is that for
01:05:27
whatever reason, the men in this and it's time they go always,
01:05:31
they always refer back or defer back to women not knowing
01:05:35
anything and women not being smart enough.
01:05:37
And I have minds of their own and all this stuff.
01:05:40
And it gets them in trouble every freaking time.
01:05:44
Just one I want somebody, maybe mad, maybe whoever.
01:05:50
I want someone to sit, call them and doodle down and say y'all do
01:05:54
realize it was Ellen's idea for y'all to split the layer ship in
01:05:59
this way so that you wouldn't lose the clan.
01:06:02
Yep. Ellen came up with that.
01:06:06
I I just want them to understand that she has kept them in the
01:06:14
life of luxury that they're used to because I want to see the
01:06:21
look on their face. But that's OK because Colin got
01:06:25
embarrassed because of course she leaves.
01:06:28
She dips. And I, I just want to know what
01:06:30
that conversation was like because Malcolm Grant is the one
01:06:33
who finds out. So who told who tell Malcolm?
01:06:36
Because Malcolm is not supposed to see Ellen.
01:06:39
So what did he try to go to her chambers again, like before the
01:06:42
ceremony like he did at the other ceremony?
01:06:45
Like, I know I'm not supposed to be here, but I just wanted to
01:06:47
see you before, bro. That's probably.
01:06:50
That's a good point. I did wonder, like, how did he
01:06:53
find out? Before them, yeah, unless they
01:06:56
told him and he was the one that said something and that was the
01:06:59
part that they came in on because it's not like he was
01:07:02
telling them. Yeah.
01:07:04
And then when when you could see kind of the the the gears
01:07:09
turning in columns head because he's like OK, if Ellen is not
01:07:12
here what can we do? And then when they walk out and
01:07:15
he tells Ned he was like go find my brother.
01:07:17
I said whoop. Because Malcolm big Malcolm came
01:07:21
that I I like his character. He ruthless, but I like his
01:07:24
character. He was like we either having a
01:07:27
head or we having a hand. Y'all pick which one you.
01:07:29
Want. Right, baby, I screamed.
01:07:33
I screamed. Cause Colin was like, OK, well
01:07:35
I'm already married, I can't do it.
01:07:37
So right, who does that leave? And you know.
01:07:41
Google. I had I I kind of laughed when
01:07:45
when Jacosta told Ellen, yeah, so we are going to have a
01:07:48
wedding today. Dougal is going to have to marry
01:07:50
Maura. She was like, well, I wish him
01:07:52
and more of the best. I like, I just wanted to see
01:07:59
Dougal's face when Colin told him, OK, because Ellen decided
01:08:03
to tuck tail and run. Now you're going to have to do
01:08:06
your duty to the clan and marry Maura Grant because you know
01:08:11
Dougal was cussing her ass out. But at the same time, you know,
01:08:16
Dougal was probably looking like, OK, you know what?
01:08:18
I reap what I sow. Basically.
01:08:21
Because if I hadn't opened my mouth.
01:08:24
Yep, none of this would be and. And I tried to marry her off
01:08:26
that part, somebody I wanted to marry her off too.
01:08:28
So how does that feel, sucker? Now you got to be married off,
01:08:33
but right? However, it's not fair though,
01:08:37
they had sparks so. It is.
01:08:42
I'm on this Ferg right now but. Let me tell you.
01:08:46
So it would have been best if it was someone he really, really
01:08:48
didn't like. But he's like really enjoying
01:08:50
himself right now with her. He is that let me tell you that
01:08:56
mess was funny because she's she's like, OK, so shall we get
01:08:59
to it? Consummate the marriage.
01:09:01
He was like like I'm eating and drinking.
01:09:04
She's like take me to your bed chamber when they get in there.
01:09:07
She's so matter of fact with everything.
01:09:09
But I told Dina I said I fell out when she was trying to
01:09:12
figure out OK, so do you want it this way?
01:09:14
She lay back on the bed like OK. And he was like.
01:09:17
You don't or you don't want to see me?
01:09:19
She said it took me all day to get in this dress.
01:09:21
I'm not going to do this again. She was like, you don't get it
01:09:23
this way. Or do.
01:09:26
You want it so that we don't have to look when she turned
01:09:29
around and tooted her butt up. Girl, I spell out laughing.
01:09:34
Oh my God, I was like, you know what I said?
01:09:36
At this point, if Dougal is not at at the very least intrigued
01:09:40
by this woman, then he doesn't deserve her because all these
01:09:44
other plain women that he's been with.
01:09:47
Ladies, lady, ladies in waiting and shit.
01:09:51
And Mara has Mara's like, oh, OK, let's do this.
01:09:54
You want it this way or do you want it this way?
01:09:56
And then when we see them having sex later, she's very clearly
01:10:01
getting her. She's getting off.
01:10:03
He's like, oh, my God, what happened?
01:10:05
Did I hurt you? I was like, oh, yeah, this is
01:10:08
the 1700s. This is when men didn't realize
01:10:11
that women could orgasm. Yep, that's.
01:10:14
All. Well, you know, I think she's
01:10:16
about to teach him a couple of things.
01:10:18
Yeah, she's like, oh, so you didn't?
01:10:21
And I was like, that is so perfect because it's never us
01:10:26
that asked that question. So she.
01:10:28
Was like you didn't He was like, no, she was like, oh, then I've
01:10:31
been done yet and she. Starts, you know, scoot on up
01:10:35
here I'm. Gonna show you so he is not We
01:10:39
should not feel sorry for him. No, I don't feel.
01:10:42
Sorry for him at all. You know what?
01:10:45
But this might be, this might just be a one time thing for
01:10:48
her. She might be like, OK, let let's
01:10:49
get this over with. Because I mean, at that point,
01:10:52
like, did you see the awkwardness when they were
01:10:54
getting married because they didn't know whether to hold
01:10:56
hands, they didn't know whether to touch, they didn't know
01:10:58
whether to kiss each other. And then they're just looking at
01:11:01
each other and looking away. I was just cracking, right?
01:11:03
Like do. But you know what?
01:11:05
That also that was that was also some chemistry they didn't know
01:11:09
how to deal with. Yeah, I think so too.
01:11:11
'Cause she watched, she she saw, saw what he was working with
01:11:15
earlier. And he kind of.
01:11:16
Liked us all. So they like, oh, I don't know.
01:11:20
And after this episode, I don't think she's gonna say I'm done.
01:11:26
No child, 'cause she she worked out and then she probably
01:11:29
pregnant because she, I think that was her initial thought was
01:11:33
like, let me get a baby in me, get this round, get this thing
01:11:37
going. And so we can get on past this
01:11:39
point because, you know, once she pregnant, that's an error,
01:11:44
you know. Yeah.
01:11:46
Yeah, and she's and she having a good time.
01:11:48
I took a Hanukkah. I'm like, oh, she don't have her
01:11:50
a few. And he didn't even consider
01:11:55
whether she was a virgin or not or nothing.
01:11:56
He didn't care. He just went on with with.
01:11:59
The primary at this point it's it's not like he had a choice.
01:12:04
Right, that's true you. Know like he told her she was
01:12:06
like she was like, look, you like lassies.
01:12:08
I like laddies. What's the problem?
01:12:10
He was like, look, it's it's more to that than this.
01:12:12
He was like, I didn't, I didn't wake up this morning thinking I
01:12:14
was going to be, this was going to be my wedding day.
01:12:17
And she was like, don't, don't, don't make it awkward.
01:12:20
You know, you just you, you overthink.
01:12:22
Right, well, he probably awkward because he said I didn't take a
01:12:25
good bath from earlier. I didn't know because.
01:12:27
You know, that's the first thing I thought about.
01:12:29
I'm like, you know, he was up in Hildy or whatever her name was.
01:12:33
Right, that's what I was thinking of too, what he said.
01:12:35
I didn't expect to be getting married today.
01:12:39
No, but he probably. He probably.
01:12:40
My bath ain't due till tomorrow. No, he probably did a wash up
01:12:44
real quick when Colin called him in there and said you're getting
01:12:47
married today. And he was probably like, excuse
01:12:49
me? What?
01:12:50
Yeah, you. Get married.
01:12:51
So, Ellen? Took off and it wanted us to not
01:12:55
die. Somebody has to get married.
01:12:57
And unfortunately, of the rest of the Mackenzies that are here,
01:13:00
you are the only one that's unwed.
01:13:07
Cuz I mean, Can you imagine if Jacosta or Janet weren't
01:13:11
married, then it would have been one of them marrying Malcolm
01:13:14
Grant, which Jacosta probably wouldn't have had a problem with
01:13:17
you because at least Malcolm Grant is young.
01:13:20
He's close to their age, you know?
01:13:23
He's a manpower, you know? He's not reasonable.
01:13:26
Yeah, he would be reasonable. She probably, she probably still
01:13:29
would have been like, but at least it would have been a
01:13:32
little bit of a better match than whatever old man she's
01:13:35
married to now. Yeah.
01:13:38
What you're laughing at in the background?
01:13:40
Girl that her own. She just got hers and was like
01:13:44
hold on, sled up. I'm going to I'm going to get
01:13:47
you ready. It's too.
01:13:49
Funny, that's like, OK, so we got to talk about this escape
01:13:54
because Brian and Ellen are actually still in the castle.
01:13:58
We don't need to they're they're disguised as servants.
01:14:02
Ellen has her hair covered with a bonnet and Jacosta and Missus
01:14:07
Fitz come to tell them, OK, hey, the coast is clear.
01:14:10
They're at the the wedding feast now.
01:14:12
You should be able to get off the grounds with with no
01:14:14
problems. So we see this really emotional
01:14:18
goodbye between her and Missus Fitz, which explains to me a lot
01:14:22
because you know Missus Fitz, we know her from Castle Leoc.
01:14:26
Like she stayed at Castle Leoc. We didn't know until the
01:14:29
beginning of the show that she was Ellen's handmaiden.
01:14:32
So I was like, well, why does she stay at Leoc and didn't go
01:14:36
with Ellen? Well, this explains why.
01:14:38
Because one, she couldn't, she couldn't let them know she was
01:14:41
complicit in Ellen's leaving. And then two, she's probably
01:14:46
like, OK, this man don't have nothing.
01:14:48
Y'all are going to have nothing, nothing.
01:14:50
Where would I go? What would I do?
01:14:52
How would I survive? You know, and at this point,
01:14:55
she's married, she probably has children.
01:14:57
She's got to think about her family.
01:15:00
So you see the emotional goodbye with them and then you see the
01:15:03
emotional goodbye with Ellen and Jacosta.
01:15:06
And that that did make me more sad because now when I think
01:15:11
about the first time Jacosta sees Jamie as an adult and she
01:15:15
says, I really miss Ellen. I miss my sister.
01:15:18
Now I feel like, OK, yes, I can see, I I can feel that because
01:15:23
before I was like, I'll say you miss your sister.
01:15:26
Yeah, you. Like where this come from?
01:15:28
Right, exactly. But I, I felt it in this one,
01:15:31
like Jacosta was like, OK, you know what, somebody's going to
01:15:35
get their happiness. And if it can't be me, it might
01:15:38
as well be you, you know? But and then of course, they're
01:15:43
getting ready to leave. They take the corridor and I
01:15:47
don't understand why they didn't just go through.
01:15:50
The way they. Usually go through that kitchen
01:15:53
or maybe they were on their way to the kitchen.
01:15:55
But Malcolm Grant, who has been in the wedding feast seething
01:15:59
and and complaining and griping to his uncle, you know, he he
01:16:03
comes down the hall. He bumps smack dab into them.
01:16:09
He's like you've returned to me. I'm like, do you not see how
01:16:12
she's dressed? Yeah, and do you not see her
01:16:15
with another man? No, that's the.
01:16:20
Thing that got me because I was telling Dina, I said for you to
01:16:24
sit here and just start all of a sudden going off on Brian
01:16:28
talking about oh, he's nothing you're choosing him over me.
01:16:31
He's he's not worth anything. I was like, you don't even know
01:16:34
who this dude is. I didn't.
01:16:35
Even know him, get the look out of.
01:16:37
Here. So I mean, I understand you're
01:16:39
upset, but obviously if she is clinging to this man's hand,
01:16:45
obviously this man means something like substantial to
01:16:48
her because we've never seen her so much as hold your hand,
01:16:53
period, right? Because I, I don't, I don't
01:16:59
think I've seen it. But you know, when when he
01:17:05
starts getting mad and again, his uncle's words are probably
01:17:10
in in his head. He was like, OK, well, you know,
01:17:13
you can do the revenge. Why don't you find out what she
01:17:16
what what she holds most dear and take it from her.
01:17:19
Now, I don't know what made him think he was going to be able to
01:17:23
take on Brian cause Brian already stands like almost a
01:17:27
whole head taller than you. And Brian obviously came there
01:17:32
prepared to fight, but when he pulled that that dagger out, I
01:17:39
just paused. The TVI shook my head.
01:17:41
I said, OK, so at least we about to find out what happened to
01:17:44
Malcolm 'cause I already knew I was like, yeah, he's about to
01:17:46
die. He's about to die.
01:17:49
And and I I won't. Let you finish.
01:17:51
I I know I didn't know what was going to happen 'cause I thought
01:17:54
that maybe he accidentally stabbed Ellen and that was what
01:17:59
caused it. And then, you know, seeing him
01:18:02
kind of swinging, you know, real wildly, and I forgot he had been
01:18:06
drinking, so he was not clear. He was not sober.
01:18:11
He starts swinging at Brian. And Brian is trying to like,
01:18:15
look, dude, just let us go. She obviously don't want you.
01:18:17
Just let us go. Leave us alone.
01:18:19
Let us let us go. Whatever her sake, just let it
01:18:21
go, right? She gets in front and he almost
01:18:26
strikes her. Brian pushes her out the way.
01:18:28
He gets cut. Then he tries to stab Brian.
01:18:31
Brian grabs the dagger and plunges it into his chest.
01:18:36
And I was just like, OK, this is going to be difficult.
01:18:41
This is going to cause some problems.
01:18:42
But it depends on how they left his body.
01:18:45
Because Brian pulls him out of the hallway.
01:18:47
Yeah, the way they could have done it so that they won't have
01:18:51
any issues. Malcolm is already distraught.
01:18:55
He's upset. He's been upstaged by his
01:18:57
fiance, he they really could have sat him down, put his hands
01:19:02
back on the dagger and made it look like he did that to
01:19:05
himself. Yep.
01:19:06
Which we don't. Know they could have done that,
01:19:09
I I don't know. But yeah, we don't know.
01:19:11
I felt so I did feel bad for Malcolm because I was like, you
01:19:15
know what, All he wanted to do was just love this woman.
01:19:18
And because she was in a position where she didn't get to
01:19:24
choose. And I, you know, I know that
01:19:26
hurt for him to hear it, but she told him she was like, I never
01:19:30
made any. Promises.
01:19:31
To you, she was like, yeah, but you know what?
01:19:34
OK, I'm sorry. I know what this show was called
01:19:37
and who it's for, but that was still This is wrong, wrong,
01:19:41
wrong and wrong. What are we going to start off
01:19:43
with? She did.
01:19:45
You didn't have to say you made no promises, but you didn't have
01:19:48
to act so endearing to the man like you care.
01:19:52
But I mean, she did. I mean, no, I'm not talking
01:19:55
about care like that. I'm talking about that you care
01:19:57
like you like you were going to marry him.
01:20:01
You know, you could have been a little standoffish, a little bit
01:20:04
a little like, I'm not apprehensive.
01:20:07
So when this came, he was like, oh, you know, she was showing
01:20:11
signs. No, you, you.
01:20:15
Yes you can change your mind all you want to.
01:20:18
Yes you can say no. However, y'all still got to
01:20:21
understand that this man, the sister said he's loved you since
01:20:24
he was 5 pretty much. So he is absolutely devastated.
01:20:30
Let's roll reverse here. If this was Brian and she left
01:20:35
you at all, you would be devastated too.
01:20:38
And his uncle was just his uncle.
01:20:40
He was around the wrong person, feeding into him.
01:20:43
Yep. You got to get revenge.
01:20:45
Because if it was someone else, they were like, dude, it
01:20:47
happens. You'll find you another woman
01:20:50
you'll love, you'll remember her.
01:20:51
But you, you will really fall in love with someone else.
01:20:54
But no, his hateful, right. Right.
01:20:58
His hateful uncle is one that causes causes, really causes
01:21:02
death. Yeah, but I will say this too.
01:21:06
As far as Ellen, you're right. I do agree.
01:21:10
She didn't have to leave him on the way that she did because she
01:21:13
was very amenable to him. She was very pleasant.
01:21:17
She was very affectionate in in her own way.
01:21:21
But. At the same time, I kind of feel
01:21:24
like maybe for her because at the time she didn't see another
01:21:29
path forward. She really thought she was going
01:21:31
to have to marry this man and rather than start that that
01:21:35
marriage off with any animosity, any, you know, any kind of bad
01:21:41
feelings, you know, she did what she did with Brian.
01:21:43
She got it out the way she she gave column her word.
01:21:47
I won't see him again. So maybe in her mind, she was
01:21:51
just preparing for what that life was going to be like.
01:21:53
Like she you know, I said this a couple of episodes ago.
01:21:56
Yeah, but she kind of wrote him a letter.
01:21:58
If it wasn't for Brian, if she had never met Brian, I think she
01:22:02
and Malcolm could have actually had a good marriage.
01:22:05
I think they, you know, she could have learned to have loved
01:22:09
him. And I think that he would have
01:22:10
treated her, You know, he would have treated her right.
01:22:13
He would have treated her with with respect and I think that
01:22:17
could have been a successful marriage.
01:22:19
So maybe in her mind, because she already knew she was going
01:22:24
to have to marry this man, maybe she was just like, OK, you know
01:22:27
what, let me just play this part.
01:22:30
This is something I'm going to have to do.
01:22:32
This is something I'm going to have to get used to.
01:22:35
And I don't know if if Brian hadn't have shown up and told
01:22:39
her what happened, then Malcolm would have never known about
01:22:43
Brian. He would have never known that
01:22:45
she didn't feel that way about him.
01:22:49
You know, back then, the, these men, they didn't care whether or
01:22:52
not the women love them the way that they did.
01:22:54
He he did, obviously. But most of these men that's
01:22:58
just like, you are literally here to spread your legs and
01:23:00
have an air for me and and wait on me hand and foot, you know?
01:23:05
And it was even if if you even think about the way Malcolm's
01:23:08
uncle talked to her when he was like, yeah, Malcolm talks about
01:23:13
your mind and your, you know, the things that that sets Ellen
01:23:19
so different from the other women.
01:23:21
Those are the things that Malcolm likes.
01:23:23
And I again, I really feel like she was playing her part because
01:23:28
she knew what was expected of her and I think she had every
01:23:32
intention of going through with that.
01:23:34
Now her finding out about columns betrayal, at that point,
01:23:38
she's like, all bets are off. I don't care because you know
01:23:41
what? Y'all didn't care what y'all
01:23:42
were doing to me. Y'all didn't care if y'all were
01:23:44
hurting me in order to get what you want.
01:23:46
So at this point I'm about to get what I want and I just feel
01:23:50
I just like that's that's what it was.
01:23:53
I mean, it was, but she still could have wrote a letter or
01:23:56
something. She could have wrote him a
01:23:57
letter. And she, you know what?
01:23:59
She probably. And say how he's such a nice
01:24:00
guy. Like, you know what?
01:24:03
She got away. Yeah.
01:24:04
OK, now that's too late, 'cause the bitterness in his the
01:24:07
bitterness, you know, you are stood up at the altar like you,
01:24:11
you steal. I still feel bad.
01:24:14
For him I still feel. Bad for him.
01:24:16
I really do feel bad for him, for them to have this magical
01:24:19
love. This man was his choice, so
01:24:22
maybe that's why Jamie has his name.
01:24:24
And Jamie? Hello.
01:24:26
How many lives have? Yeah, I, I.
01:24:29
Just but this one was really close because he was like
01:24:32
actually innocent person. It would have been best if we
01:24:36
made him bad and then we would have been like OK, he just he he
01:24:39
died he deserves it. But he really cared about her,
01:24:42
like he cared about when they did the the if you a virgin or
01:24:46
not. He was worried about her.
01:24:48
Then it was just everything. Yeah.
01:24:52
Yeah, but I also get the feeling that he was, for lack of a
01:24:56
better term, from back then. He was kinda in sellish, I
01:25:02
guess. I feel like he had this crush on
01:25:04
her since he was a kid. And then he clearly wasn't
01:25:07
getting women, was not knocking on his door even with his little
01:25:11
money. He's a little Hobbit self.
01:25:13
He he didn't have no whole bunch of women jumping after him.
01:25:16
You can tell it. Could have been that he did, and
01:25:18
he was just so set on Ellen McCann.
01:25:20
Closed off. I think he was closed off but.
01:25:23
They would have wanted him for his money, I feel.
01:25:25
I feel like they would have more.
01:25:26
Yeah, but he he did. He couldn't see past her.
01:25:30
So they could have been women who was willing and able, but he
01:25:34
can't. It was always and he he couldn't
01:25:38
get past that. And now he don't have a chance
01:25:42
to get. Past Brian did tell him to stop.
01:25:46
He did. He did.
01:25:49
He should have. He should have stopped.
01:25:50
He knew he wasn't doing nothing. He did, but you know, he he been
01:25:53
drinking. He been drinking, right?
01:25:57
And and like they said, he wouldn't have, even if he had
01:26:01
let them go, he wouldn't have let that go because going back.
01:26:05
To his heart. Is broken, you know?
01:26:08
About a man's wounded pride, you know.
01:26:11
Well then the uncle wouldn't have helped the I think he would
01:26:14
have been OK, but not with the uncle like that.
01:26:17
He would, he wouldn't. Prior to the uncle even allowed
01:26:20
them to have another marriage to replace it.
01:26:24
The uncle was just like, look. This is a business arrangement.
01:26:29
Right. But like after he told her he
01:26:31
would RIP her heart out, I just was like.
01:26:33
I I think he still may try, but right now we need to get this.
01:26:36
Somebody get married today. Yeah, yeah, somebody.
01:26:41
And then we'll worry about killing her later.
01:26:43
But right now, somebody getting somebody getting married today
01:26:46
he was. Worried about the embarrassment
01:26:48
first because I. Was in that saving face, yeah.
01:26:51
The crazy thing was because she actually had on the dress that
01:26:56
Ellen was going to wear, so and she had that heavy veil over her
01:27:00
face. So nobody saw her walking down
01:27:02
the aisle. Nobody saw when, you know, when
01:27:04
she pulled the veil up, nobody saw who it was.
01:27:07
So when the preacher said, will the groom stand up and join his
01:27:11
bride? And Douga stood up, you heard
01:27:13
everybody like, I was like, everybody is thinking, wait,
01:27:17
Douga's about to marry his sister.
01:27:18
What is going on? Like, you know, people were
01:27:20
confused because nobody knew what was going on and.
01:27:24
Then Jacobs was like, calm down, OK?
01:27:29
Right. Just hold on, we could.
01:27:35
Don't panic. That mess was funny, but OK, so
01:27:40
we have Malcolm dead. Brian and Ellen, they continue
01:27:45
on. They go back to the little what
01:27:47
they call a boffy. The the little, I call it a
01:27:52
Hobbit house. Yeah, that that Merta's in.
01:27:56
And, you know, they basically tell them what happened because
01:28:00
when Martha sees Brian, he's like, oh, OK, he's safe.
01:28:04
And then when Ellen comes in, he was like, oh, there's a whole
01:28:07
bunch of people pissed off. It was like, if you're here.
01:28:13
And then they tell him that Malcolm is dead.
01:28:15
He was like, yeah, we we might have a little heat on us because
01:28:18
Malcolm is dead. But again, depending on what
01:28:22
they did with him, it they could because a lot of people saw that
01:28:26
Malcolm was upset at the feast. It could very easily be
01:28:30
explained that he was so distraught that he killed
01:28:33
himself, which even if that is the case, Malcolm's uncle is
01:28:37
still going to come after Ellen because he's going to be like,
01:28:39
it's your fault that he did this.
01:28:41
Yeah. You know, So either way it goes,
01:28:43
they fucked up. Yeah.
01:28:45
And then he's what? He's going to be immediately be
01:28:47
layered now, right, Because Malcolm's dead.
01:28:50
So that explains why he's so well, why Malcolm was involved
01:28:54
with the gold later. Is the old Malcolm that's
01:28:57
involved with the gold later with Bug.
01:28:59
Yeah, because he was the one that that's the Jacobite.
01:29:03
He was the one that, you know. Yeah.
01:29:07
Yeah. But the conversations that they
01:29:13
have with Murtha in this body, we we kind of referenced it
01:29:18
earlier. I'm with Dina.
01:29:21
They don't deserve Murtha. They really don't.
01:29:23
And I'm, I'm not, you know, true love.
01:29:26
I get it. I get it.
01:29:28
Y'all love each other. But their love shouldn't cause
01:29:30
other people's pain. I get it.
01:29:34
But alerts he has a moment where he wakes up the next morning.
01:29:40
Brian is outside cutting logs and Ellen is inside and they
01:29:44
start having a conversation and he tells Ellen that he has a
01:29:48
gift for her. And it's, it's the, the boars,
01:29:55
the, the, the, what you call them the tusks, the, the boar
01:29:59
Tusk bracelets that we see in season 1 of Outlander that Jamie
01:30:05
gives to Claire or that Jenny gives to Claire, that we find
01:30:11
out that Merta was the one who gave them to Ellen.
01:30:13
So this is the moment where he gives her the bracelets.
01:30:17
And you know, she's looking at it, she's like, OK, I got all
01:30:20
these extravagant gifts from these men who love me.
01:30:22
She was like, I can't take this. And he was like, look, I had
01:30:25
planned on giving them to you as a wedding gift.
01:30:28
And then she looks at him and I feel like.
01:30:30
He was like from your husband, not not as an outside source.
01:30:35
Wedding and I feel like that was probably, I don't know, the way
01:30:40
that she reacted. I feel like that was probably
01:30:42
the first time she understood the depth of Murta's feelings
01:30:47
for her. Like I'm sure Brian probably
01:30:49
mentioned it to her when they first got together that Oh yeah,
01:30:52
Murta has a thing for you. I don't think she really realize
01:30:55
the depth of it until that moment.
01:30:58
Yeah. And then at that point, she
01:31:02
really treated as sacred. She was like, OK, this will be
01:31:04
between you and me. And she was like, and I will, I
01:31:07
will accept these as a token of our friendship, our friendship.
01:31:11
And then he says what is probably one of the most
01:31:14
beautiful and saddest things because she says something about
01:31:21
his happiness, wanting him to be happy.
01:31:25
And he said, just let your happiness, you and Brian's
01:31:30
happiness, let that be my happiness, and I'll be OK.
01:31:34
And I was like, that is so beautiful and so sad at the same
01:31:38
time because these are the two people that Murtha loves the
01:31:41
most in the world. And he was like, look, if I
01:31:46
can't have this happiness, let me be a part of yours.
01:31:49
Let me be a part of yours and his and just be a part of it.
01:31:53
And now it's like that makes his his devotion to Jamie even more
01:32:00
point even more his sacrifice and.
01:32:05
And it's more understandable how we were talking about why he
01:32:08
talking more about her then, you know, then Ryan, 'cause he
01:32:13
probably this whole like, what is it 13 years that they have
01:32:17
together, her and Brian, that he's probably super devoted to
01:32:20
her the whole time. You know, because he saw the
01:32:25
compassion, he saw it on her face that she, she realized he's
01:32:29
in love with her. He can't have her.
01:32:32
And that her loving Brian has hurt him to his core.
01:32:35
Brian loving her. And she's like, oh, this, this,
01:32:40
this, OK, I got to take care of this man.
01:32:42
You know, Like that whole scene, it's just mind blowing.
01:32:46
The writing on that was just mind blowing because I was just
01:32:48
like, it was beautiful. There's so many layers and so
01:32:51
much depth that, you know, Oh my gosh.
01:32:55
And then it just sums it up. So like even like you said, even
01:32:58
if this was the end. Yeah.
01:33:02
Of this, like, it fits to why he's so, like, dedicated to the
01:33:08
family. Yeah, 'cause at first I didn't
01:33:11
know how this was about to come out to be right, but now I see
01:33:15
right. I mean, and he's still grumpy,
01:33:18
but I understand 'cause you happy, but you not fully happy.
01:33:26
Yeah. And I can honestly take this as
01:33:30
their ending like left on a cliffhanger and their ending a
01:33:33
lot more than than Julia and Henry.
01:33:36
Because I feel like. OK, we kind of know.
01:33:39
We we, we basically know what's going to happen.
01:33:42
We don't know some more little, you know, intricate pieces, but
01:33:46
we know specifically like they're going to have kids
01:33:49
they're going to be in love for at least this amount of time.
01:33:53
I would have been OK with this as their ending and.
01:33:55
We also know that Brian never gets over her because even this
01:33:59
season 7 of Outlander, when Brianna comes back to find
01:34:03
Rodgers, she actually gets a moment to speak to her
01:34:07
grandfather and he has never gotten over Ellen, which is
01:34:12
which for me. Again, I think that's the only
01:34:15
thing that makes it like, yes, I'm upset that Merta got hurt in
01:34:21
all of this, but when you see how much he has held on to that,
01:34:26
like Ellen at this point has been gone for what, Jamie 50
01:34:32
something years? So so he's she's been gone 45
01:34:35
years at least. Well, no, because I forgot he
01:34:38
died. He died when Jamie was. 16 or
01:34:41
something like that. When he got beat at the jail, he
01:34:45
was. 20, I think 19 or 20 when that happened.
01:34:50
So an additional 15 years passed when she died.
01:34:56
I mean, yeah, it kind of it. It makes you say, OK, you know
01:35:00
what? I understand Martha got hurt,
01:35:02
but this was this was that forever love for this man.
01:35:06
And I'm sure if Ellen had lived, it would have been that for her
01:35:11
as well. I mean, if you think about the
01:35:13
the little vows that she says to him after they have their I was
01:35:18
just like, it hurt me so much because I was like, you see how
01:35:23
much love there is between these two people only to know that
01:35:27
within a matter of years. Yeah, so sure, it's going to be
01:35:31
gone and it's just, but it's like the the way I reconcile
01:35:37
that, though, is they had their thirteen years or so of
01:35:42
relationship is better than her having 50 years healthy with
01:35:46
Malcolm 'cause she had that, whatever that spiritual bond
01:35:50
was, she had that for at least 13 years.
01:35:53
And, you know, but Dang, it's so short to do all this and go
01:35:57
through your life and then you die so young.
01:36:00
It's just. OK.
01:36:01
And. That's not even the end of your
01:36:03
heartbreak, because before you die, you lose a child.
01:36:06
You lose your child and then and then your.
01:36:09
Child. Yeah, yeah.
01:36:11
Your other child dies. Awesome.
01:36:12
Yeah. So yeah.
01:36:14
So it's just, you know, I, I hate to say it, it's it's it's
01:36:17
like Brian paid for his happiness in the end.
01:36:22
Yeah, He really did. He paid the ultimate price.
01:36:25
Yeah. Like he it's almost like he sold
01:36:28
his soul for a certain amount of time and then it the IT came to
01:36:31
get you came to collect, right? Like this man?
01:36:35
Which sucks, but but then OK, so so during all of this, you know,
01:36:41
like we said, Mertha leaves them alone.
01:36:44
He basically tells Brian I'm going hunting and yeah, I'm
01:36:49
going to be gone till the morning time.
01:36:50
I need you to handle your business while I'm gone.
01:36:54
Because it's your wedding. Night Boo like Mertha is not
01:36:57
subtle in the least, but OK, so we get the we get the, you know,
01:37:02
extended love making scene that y'all keep complaining about.
01:37:05
Which fucking? I wasn't as complaining about
01:37:08
this one. I thought this one was really
01:37:10
hot because I knew that, you know, some person was going to
01:37:13
walk into the abandoned church after they snuck away.
01:37:16
Obviously, you know, I thought they it was beautiful.
01:37:20
It was very, very, you know, romantic.
01:37:23
And then afterwards, you know, they're sitting outside.
01:37:26
They're, they're giving each other these pledges about their
01:37:29
love. And then Brian looks panicked.
01:37:31
And I was like, did they find them?
01:37:34
This is what I was thinking, like, Oh my God, did they get
01:37:36
found? But no, you see all the cross in
01:37:40
the distance, the fiery crosses are being in it.
01:37:44
And it's to signal the clans, you know, coming together for
01:37:48
the Jacobite rebellion. And Brian says I have to go to
01:37:53
to refuse the call is tantamount to being a traitor, like the
01:37:57
death sentence. And he says, but if if I go, you
01:38:03
know, he's looking at Ellen like, OK, if I go, I can't.
01:38:06
I'm not, I'm not taking you because it'll be dangerous.
01:38:08
And Ellen was like, I am your wife.
01:38:11
We will face this together. And I was.
01:38:14
Like, OK, so that tells me the season 2 is going to be dealing
01:38:19
with the first Jacobite rebellion.
01:38:21
And I did see, I think that same interview with Diana Gabaldon, I
01:38:26
think she did confirm that there is going to be a lot of
01:38:30
historical stuff in season 2. They will be dealing with the
01:38:32
first rebellion. So we will get a a lot of that.
01:38:37
We will get some more history lessons and we'll see how Brian
01:38:41
and Ellen face this because right now, like Lord Lovett
01:38:46
doesn't even know Brian has left and.
01:38:48
And and what happened? He don't know nothing about
01:38:51
Brian. Nothing.
01:38:52
No, no, nothing about Brian because he's too busy trying to
01:38:54
get his wife, his wife and child back, right?
01:38:58
But so you have them staying in this little Hobbit house.
01:39:03
They have no money. They have no land, no titles.
01:39:06
No, no, nothing. Like Ellen literally left with
01:39:10
the clothes on her back and a small bag full of food.
01:39:13
That was it. And I, you know, that's what she
01:39:17
was telling Colin. She was like, let me go prepare
01:39:21
for my future. Because she knew what she was
01:39:23
leaving behind. She knew she was leaving behind
01:39:26
her luxury, her comfort, you know?
01:39:30
But she was like, OK, right, This is more important.
01:39:36
Which is beautiful and scary at the same time.
01:39:41
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's very scary.
01:39:43
So much love for a person that you are willing to leave
01:39:47
everything and everyone behind and be like, OK, you know what
01:39:50
if we got to sleep in this hole in the wall house with no
01:39:54
furniture and sleep on the floor, As long as we're
01:39:57
together, I'm good. I mean, I'm very lucky.
01:40:00
Yeah, I mean, and, and we know that changes later on because of
01:40:04
somewhere he's able to get some land.
01:40:07
And he builds Brock literally by hand, his own hands.
01:40:12
That's one of the things that Jamie always says.
01:40:14
And that's something that he also tells Brianna.
01:40:16
He was like, I built it by myself, brick by brick.
01:40:19
I built it for her. So.
01:40:23
And I know Dina. I know it's like me.
01:40:27
A house and we my house. But it's like you love it, but
01:40:33
at the same time, you know that it's limited.
01:40:37
Yeah. Yeah.
01:40:41
But I, you know, I, I absolutely loved this first season.
01:40:47
Actually, it surpassed my expectations.
01:40:51
It really did. Because I went in like I don't
01:40:54
want to. I don't want to say I went in
01:40:56
not expecting much because of who the showrunners and the
01:40:59
writers are. I was like, OK, they're familiar
01:41:02
with Outlander. They've done eight seasons of
01:41:05
the original show. They know what this story is and
01:41:09
what it what it's going to mean to the fans.
01:41:11
So I won't say that I had a low bar, but I was just kind of
01:41:14
like, OK, if it if it matches Outlander, I'm cool.
01:41:18
But I feel like it, it's really giving me first season Outlander
01:41:23
vibes. Like the bar, they raised the
01:41:26
bar so much for these stories and these characters.
01:41:29
And I just need to know when season 2 is coming out.
01:41:33
I know they're still filming. I think I saw an, I saw an, I
01:41:37
saw another interview with Hermione and Jeremy, that's
01:41:42
Henry and Julia. And he mentioned that they were
01:41:45
still filming. But I, I just need to know.
01:41:48
I need to know. I know we're getting an
01:41:50
Outlander in the early part of 2026.
01:41:52
So we only have a few months. I need to know when this show is
01:41:54
coming back. Like don't, please.
01:41:56
Don't make me wait two or three years, please.
01:41:58
Stop. Just no.
01:41:59
Oh, no, no. I mean, I mean this show now.
01:42:04
I think with this show they're gonna put them out faster so
01:42:08
people don't lose interest because there aren't any books.
01:42:11
Yeah. Right.
01:42:12
I guess different ways, Outlander 'cause she had books
01:42:15
coming out, it was more source material happening.
01:42:18
So they're like potentially we could get through all this
01:42:21
source material, but with this they got to, they got to put
01:42:24
these out because otherwise I'm. I know, I know.
01:42:29
Now she did mention in the same interview that I read that she
01:42:32
is hoping for next year. As far as book 10, she said she
01:42:38
can't say because, you know, they, they got to go through,
01:42:42
you know, they got to read everything, they got to do
01:42:43
editing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
01:42:45
But she did mention that and that's the first time that I've
01:42:48
actually seen her say anything having to do with the date.
01:42:54
So she said hopefully next year. I would assume it's probably
01:42:58
going to be the end of next year if it does come out next year.
01:43:03
But at least we know we have that story coming.
01:43:07
She is still writing the prequel book.
01:43:08
And I just found out that her stories for Brian and Ellen is
01:43:12
the they're supposed to be a trilogy.
01:43:15
It's supposed to be 3 books now. She said depending on what she
01:43:19
ends up writing, it could end up being just a duology.
01:43:23
She did say that some of the ideas they have put in the show
01:43:26
for Brian and for Brian and Ellen were things that she
01:43:29
didn't think of, that she was like, oh actually that kind of
01:43:32
works. So she may actually put those in
01:43:34
the prequel, but you go to her Facebook page and her website,
01:43:39
she does these. She releases these little
01:43:42
snippets of her books every couple of weeks or so.
01:43:46
She has started posting snippets from her Brian and Ellen
01:43:52
prequel. So there is the scene where the
01:43:55
most recent one she released was the scene where Ellen and Ned
01:44:00
find Red Jacob dead and and the conversation that happens after
01:44:05
that. Because I don't know if you guys
01:44:07
realize what happened in the show.
01:44:09
He basically died on top of the maidservant.
01:44:13
So there's a little bit more detail to that in the snippet
01:44:16
that she posted a couple of weeks ago.
01:44:18
But if you should be so inclined to, you know, just see kind of
01:44:22
where she's at, She has posted some some very fun snippets from
01:44:28
book 10 that that I love because they're with characters and
01:44:32
situations that I was hoping would happen in book 10, like
01:44:36
characters getting together or meeting and that sort of thing.
01:44:39
And I'm just like, OK, please give me this book now because I
01:44:43
the the snippets are making me excited.
01:44:45
So, yeah. But.
01:44:47
I might need. Some from the prequel.
01:44:49
Start back reading the books. I mean look y'all just tell me
01:44:53
when y'all want to start and I I will start over from the
01:44:56
beginning with you guys. Well, I'm not starting from the.
01:45:00
Beginning well, where you. Want to start?
01:45:02
I think I was on 4. Wherever you want to start.
01:45:04
I'll start with you. I'll start with you.
01:45:07
So yeah, but how, how are you guys feeling about the first
01:45:12
season? Absolutely.
01:45:15
Left it, yeah. Because if I feel this
01:45:19
passionate about the different things in it and I I've truly
01:45:22
enjoyed it. Yeah, that's true.
01:45:23
The point? Yeah, Yeah.
01:45:27
A good point. Nope.
01:45:28
I agree with you that like Guy I, I fallen in love with these
01:45:32
characters. I fallen further in love with
01:45:35
Murtha, who I already thought. Me too, so I just.
01:45:40
Such a sweetheart. Yeah.
01:45:42
And I loved him even when he was grumpy old Murtha, 'cause I, you
01:45:45
know, his journey with Claire and, you know, helping Claire
01:45:49
all that time. So like to see him as a young
01:45:52
man and it's just been great. And then I, you know, I just
01:45:56
like seeing all the young characters, all the young folks
01:45:59
and. And Julian Henry and Dougal,
01:46:02
yeah. OK, Dougal.
01:46:05
Dougal, Dougal and. Brian baby, those are my top
01:46:07
picks for the for the season. And then there's characters are
01:46:11
just, you know, my heart goes out to Malcolm Grant, you know,
01:46:17
for sure. Sorry, you know.
01:46:21
Sorry to that man. Yeah, I.
01:46:24
Know. You had to be our sacrifice, so
01:46:27
you know. For our happiness.
01:46:29
Yeah, for the happiness of everyone.
01:46:31
Yeah. But that kind of that, that
01:46:34
probably does explain where Jamie got that that middle name
01:46:38
from because they both felt guilty about it, you know?
01:46:43
Yeah, I. Mean what you gonna do?
01:46:45
True love was calling. Yeah.
01:46:47
So, you know, it's hard. Yeah.
01:46:50
And you know, the, the the real MVP, too, is Brian's mom because
01:46:58
she has to sit there with Lord. Love it, love it.
01:47:02
Oh, girl. Have you been dealing with him
01:47:05
for years? Yeah.
01:47:07
But what I do love about like how Julia, you know, hey, play
01:47:12
stupid, do this thing so you'll be safe.
01:47:15
And I like the Davina's like OK, you right, and she plays the
01:47:19
game how she's supposed to and that she's not being dumb.
01:47:24
You know, I do like that. Yeah, 'cause I, but I also love,
01:47:28
I also love the fact that even before Julia came up with that
01:47:32
plan, she was like, how many times have you saved my son's
01:47:36
life? If, if I have to sacrifice my
01:47:38
life to make sure you get safe, I will do it because I owe you.
01:47:42
I love that too. Because if you think about where
01:47:44
we were half a half a season ago, people like this woman
01:47:48
needs to die. She's about to kill your baby.
01:47:50
And get an exercise. Yeah, that's true.
01:47:52
She's. Jealous.
01:47:54
Yeah, but I mean, I love the interaction that we've seen of
01:48:00
Claire and Jamie's parents kind of intermingling and and the
01:48:04
friendships that they've built. And I really hope that we are
01:48:08
able to see a little bit more of that in the next season.
01:48:11
I don't know how likely that's going to be, especially
01:48:14
considering we really don't know where Henry and Julie are going
01:48:17
to end up. But I hope that there is
01:48:20
something there that kind of, you know, brings them back
01:48:24
together. That would be nice Before, you
01:48:27
know, all hell breaks loose and we start losing people.
01:48:31
But I, I, I will say this, I don't know how many seasons this
01:48:35
show is planning to go. I don't know if I want to watch
01:48:39
it to the point where Julia dies, where Ellen dies.
01:48:43
I don't know if I would. I don't know.
01:48:46
I I would like to see a little Jamie, but I, I don't.
01:48:50
Yeah, I mean, I could. I could be good up to Jamie,
01:48:53
like being born. Yeah.
01:48:55
Yeah, It's it's Jamie. You know, I just, oh, look,
01:48:58
little Jamie. But yeah, I don't want to see
01:49:00
her die. Yeah, no.
01:49:02
And I don't want to see his grief or Merta's grief.
01:49:07
Oh, no. And you know what?
01:49:08
And that could be the reason he's grumpy.
01:49:11
Here we go. I forget about that.
01:49:13
That's it. Could be.
01:49:15
Which is even sadder then even now, because not only have you
01:49:20
been pining after her, but now she's gone, so you can't even
01:49:23
have that. You see somebody else's to
01:49:26
mourn. Yeah.
01:49:28
So that's it right there. That's it.
01:49:30
Yeah, Yeah. But OK, so as mentioned,
01:49:35
Outlander, the main show is coming back early 2026.
01:49:40
I hope they mean early when they say early.
01:49:43
So like you mean January, February, March, one of those
01:49:47
three months that's early. I need a yeah, yeah.
01:49:51
Play games with us and then let's see.
01:49:55
We don't know about Book 10 yet. If I hear anything, you know,
01:50:00
we'll, we'll say something. We have conjuration coming up in
01:50:04
next next month. In a month exactly almost.
01:50:10
Almost exactly a month, November 14th through 16th is going to be
01:50:13
at the Sonesta Gwinnett Place. All three of us will be there
01:50:17
along with Anthony and Mike. We will all be doing panels.
01:50:23
Dina will be joining us on some of our panels, including our two
01:50:27
Outlander panels. We will be talking about the
01:50:30
main show and Blood of My Blood. More details will be posted on
01:50:34
our website. Once that is available.
01:50:37
The schedule should be out probably within the next couple
01:50:40
of weeks. Dina will also be doing some
01:50:43
game shows at Conjuration with some of our other friends and
01:50:47
those things are always fun. So if you happen to be in
01:50:50
Atlanta November 14th through 16th and you're looking for some
01:50:54
fun, nerdy type of stuff to do, go to conjurationcon.com and
01:51:00
look it up. It is a fantasy based
01:51:03
convention, fan convention. They have a lot of fun things.
01:51:08
They have performers, they have vendors.
01:51:10
We do fan panels, like we say, game shows, live performances,
01:51:15
and there will be a wicked themed ball this year.
01:51:19
So we're looking forward to that.
01:51:23
But you guys have any final thoughts before we close out for
01:51:28
Season 1 of Blood of My Blood? I need people to hurry up and
01:51:34
move out the way and get where they're going and stop talking,
01:51:37
hugging and kissing and, you know, just go because you're
01:51:41
wasting time. You.
01:51:43
Didn't know if they were going to see each other again.
01:51:45
So, you know, they, they had to get their goodbyes in because
01:51:51
now, I mean, if you think about it, technically speaking, Brian
01:51:53
and Ellen are on the run. Yes, that is true.
01:51:57
But they. Feel like they knew they was
01:51:59
going to be on the run, so they could have said by like 30
01:52:02
minutes ahead of time and then it was like when it was time to
01:52:06
run, you know? Yeah, maybe if they had done
01:52:08
that, they wouldn't have run into Malcolm Grant, but that
01:52:10
would have. But then that would have been a
01:52:12
whole different problem because Malcolm would have gone after
01:52:15
them. So maybe it worked out the way
01:52:18
it was supposed to or. But.
01:52:21
I don't know. Would he have gone after her by
01:52:23
herself if he hadn't realized that there was a man involved?
01:52:26
Oh, yeah, I think yeah, because. Because the spike was still to
01:52:29
him. Like you still stood me up on my
01:52:32
wedding day. Yeah, I think that.
01:52:34
I think if he didn't, if his uncle went away and wasn't
01:52:38
backing him up, I don't think he would.
01:52:40
I mean, we'll go look for her, I think.
01:52:43
But I think it's until he said something about revenge, he
01:52:48
probably was just like, no, she's still mine.
01:52:50
I'm going to find her, right? Right.
01:52:52
He may have changed her mind. I can convince her, yeah.
01:52:56
When he was talking to column, he was like, as soon as Mr. Bug
01:52:59
brings my bladier back, there's going to be hell to pay.
01:53:02
So yeah, no, he was. He was going after somebody.
01:53:05
He was just waiting for Henry to come back because of course he
01:53:08
wasn't going to get his hands dirty.
01:53:09
That's what Henry and Mr. Bugger for.
01:53:12
Yeah. So yeah.
01:53:16
Damn, Mr. Bob. Michelle, you got any final
01:53:18
thoughts? Has rest in peace mouth?
01:53:22
Yeah, just rest in peace. I do feel bad about that.
01:53:27
I mean, he was, I mean, he I'm sorry, everyone.
01:53:29
He was a huge sacrifice. He was lied to.
01:53:31
He was. He was.
01:53:35
It was just been better if he just didn't care about her.
01:53:38
And he was. And even the harsh things he
01:53:40
said when they ran into. But that was just from being
01:53:44
hurt. Yeah.
01:53:46
And drunk. You know what I'm saying?
01:53:47
It was just being hurt and hyped up.
01:53:50
Yep, hurt, hyped up. And.
01:53:52
Drunk so 'cause even then he was like, oh, you came back to me.
01:53:58
Yay, I was. Like no, look at the way she's
01:54:02
dressed. She has a bonnet over her head.
01:54:04
She is not. Coming.
01:54:05
But he does, he does he yeah, he he has blinders on with her.
01:54:09
Yeah. So the uncle said.
01:54:13
Yeah. The under spell, Yeah.
01:54:15
So that's why that's another ending.
01:54:17
Get out from under the spell of these women.
01:54:20
Or you gonna end up dead. Are you gonna end up dead?
01:54:24
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01:54:27
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